April 22, 2025 • 18 mins
In this episode of 'After Wine School,' hosts Keith Wallace and Alana Zerbe reveal why asking a Sommelier about their favorite wine is considered the most annoying question. They explore the subjective nature of wine appreciation, emphasizing that personal preferences vary greatly. The hosts share engaging anecdotes about their favorite wine experiences and discuss how simpler questions can promote a more inclusive conversation about wine. The episode concludes with an in-depth tasting of Muscadet, showcasing the complexity and joy of wine tasting. Listeners are encouraged to enjoy wine in a carefree manner and subscribe for more wine stories and advice.
00:00 Introduction to After Wine School
00:41 Meet Your Hosts: Keith Wallace and Alana Zerbe
01:08 The Most Annoying Wine Question
01:53 Why Asking a Sommelier's Favorite Wine is a Bad Idea
06:00 Wine Experiences and Personal Stories
11:12 Tasting Muscadet: A Sensory Journey
17:13 Conclusion and Final Thoughts
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This is the Wine Podcast.
Hi, Keith.
My name's Alana Zerbe.
I'm the Director of Wine Education at the Wine School of Philadelphia.
And you are Keith Wallace, the Founder and Director of the Wine School of Philadelphia. 16 00:01:02,155.999 --> 00:01:07,656 Yes, And we are sponsored by the National Wine School, the leading online program for Somalias.
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Awesome. 18 00:01:08,495.999 --> 00:01:09,746 So first off.
I did a AI question.
Mm-hmm I went on the Chachi PT and I asked them a very simple question, what is the most annoying wine question in the world? Mm-hmm And it came back with, it came back and I actually agree with it.
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I thought it was perfect.
I thought it was fantastic.
So I want to talk about this, and afterwards we are going to taste some wine.
.9995So, all right. 26 00:01:35,580.9995 --> 00:01:38,541 But first off, do you know what that question was? Oh, I did.
.001All right. 28 00:01:40,91.001 --> 00:01:41,421.001 Okay, let's pretend you don't know what it is.
I have no idea. 30 00:01:42,711.001 --> 00:01:43,501 My God. 31 00:01:44,231.001 --> 00:01:45,321 Well, it's amazing.
.001having someone ask you, what is your favorite wine? Yeah, and that is dead on. 33 00:01:52,86.001 --> 00:01:52,516.001 It is. 34 00:01:52,676.001 --> 00:02:07,106.001 Why is it? Why is that such a dumb question? So, and I feel, I feel some kind of way even saying that it's a dumb question because I know that it, it can almost hurt some people to hear that because it seems so innocuous. 35 00:02:07,126.001 --> 00:02:14,276.001 What's your favorite color? What's your favorite movie? What's your favorite wine? But you know, wine is one of those things that is very. 36 00:02:14,586.001 --> 00:02:15,786.001 individual. 37 00:02:16,416.001 --> 00:02:22,756.001 We also have a lot of conceptions of elitism and power wrapped up in it. 38 00:02:22,776.001 --> 00:02:23,306 Hear, hear.
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So there's some weighing and balancing that you always have to do.
You really want to calibrate it in a way for your audience. 41 00:02:31,66.001 --> 00:02:39,206.002 And if you give something that is so obscure, esoteric, or wildly expensive, you know, that's not going to make somebody feel good. 42 00:02:39,266.002 --> 00:02:40,430.902 And that's what we do. 43 00:02:40,431.002 --> 00:02:41,21.002 for yourself. 44 00:02:50,851.002 --> 00:02:55,21.002 I want somebody, if they're having a conversation with me, to feel good about it. 45 00:02:55,141.002 --> 00:03:02,401.001 And so I don't want them to feel like they're outside looking in, which I think is how so many people feel about wine. 46 00:03:02,411.002 --> 00:03:03,641.002 So those are my reasons. 47 00:03:03,651.002 --> 00:03:04,591.002 What are yours? That's, okay. 48 00:03:04,641.002 --> 00:03:06,341.002 I should clarify the question. 49 00:03:06,341.002 --> 00:03:08,11.002 I didn't give you the whole question. 50 00:03:08,521.002 --> 00:03:15,231.002 The whole question was, what is the worst question or the dumbest question to ask a Somalier? So that's it. 51 00:03:15,241.001 --> 00:03:16,521.002 That's the real question. 52 00:03:16,551.002 --> 00:03:20,401.002 It's not like, go ahead, ask your friends what their favorite wine is. 53 00:03:20,451.002 --> 00:03:23,71.001 It's, but asking a Somalier, Okay. 54 00:03:23,71.001 --> 00:03:31,731.001 So a couple of things that I like to point out is that, you know, if you are just listening to jazz, let's say that you have never listened to jazz before. 55 00:03:32,211.001 --> 00:03:41,151.001 And you ask somebody who has been listening or study or even playing jazz for decades, what their favorite jazz is. 56 00:03:41,531.001 --> 00:03:41,981.001 Okay. 57 00:03:42,11.001 --> 00:03:43,461.001 It's not going to be something easy. 58 00:03:43,481.001 --> 00:03:45,171.001 It's going to be something like Coltrane. 59 00:03:45,461.001 --> 00:03:46,681.001 It's going to be deep. 60 00:03:46,851.001 --> 00:04:01,790.901 Weird, interesting, because over time, you know, the simple things you get kind of jaded over, like the first time I ever tried an Australian Shiraz, I was at that time, I think I was probably a cook in a restaurant and someone poured that for me. 61 00:04:01,791.001 --> 00:04:03,861.001 I was like, Oh my God, this is the best thing ever. 62 00:04:03,971.001 --> 00:04:07,371.001 Like, there's never anything that's ever going to be better than this. 63 00:04:07,841.001 --> 00:04:28,661.001 And of course, over time, that was like an 8 bottle, or at that time, probably 6, because that was A few years ago, and so I think that as you asking me what my favorite wine is, it's not going to answer the question you actually want to have answered, which is, what should I be drinking? What will I like? And because what I like is going to be way different. 64 00:04:28,661.001 --> 00:04:31,411.001 And FYI, it still is in the Syrah family. 65 00:04:31,641.002 --> 00:04:35,381.002 It's just hermitage, which I usually tell people, you know. 66 00:04:35,666.002 --> 00:04:43,496.002 My favorite wine in the world, when you open it up, it just smells like Bambi died three months ago. 67 00:04:44,186.001 --> 00:04:44,736.001 Yeah. 68 00:04:44,906.002 --> 00:04:46,526.002 I mean, it is so stinky. 69 00:04:46,556.001 --> 00:04:52,556.001 It's so intense, but it hits this weird thing in my amygdala that makes me just like glad to be alive. 70 00:04:52,906.001 --> 00:04:59,136.002 I mean, it hits like some weird monkey place where I'm just like ripping apart some sort of, you know, animal. 71 00:04:59,156.002 --> 00:05:02,796.002 Oh, it is so delicious, but it's also then just so elegant and beautiful. 72 00:05:02,796.002 --> 00:05:04,646.002 And yeah, I love that wine. 73 00:05:04,646.002 --> 00:05:05,556.001 But also like. 74 00:05:06,676.002 --> 00:05:07,806.002 Exactly, you said it. 75 00:05:08,246.002 --> 00:05:10,956.002 I mean that's hundreds of dollars a bottle for the wine. 76 00:05:11,256.002 --> 00:05:13,96.002 Yeah, I've had that. 77 00:05:13,146.002 --> 00:05:15,756.002 I absolutely love it but that's not where you start. 78 00:05:15,756.002 --> 00:05:26,176.002 It's not answering the question They want answered and because that's a harder at question like, you know, what am I gonna like? That's harder because that there's all kinds of things in that. 79 00:05:26,226.102 --> 00:05:43,696.103 There is the, you know, are you a super taster? how much saliva you're excreting at that point? What's your, you know, what's your anxiety level right there? You know, what kinds of experiences have you had? Who you are, your experiences up to that point, and so it's a longer conversation. 80 00:05:43,706.103 --> 00:05:50,916.103 Like that's the kind of thing where once I know somebody, like who's taken a few classes with me, I can start getting an idea of the things that they love. 81 00:05:50,926.103 --> 00:05:54,86.104 so that's my answer is, yeah, there's no good answer. 82 00:05:54,156.104 --> 00:05:56,516.104 Well, I would say, so we can. 83 00:05:56,981.104 --> 00:06:00,1.104 offer a modification on that question. 84 00:06:00,401.104 --> 00:06:15,411.104 What I would love to answer is the question, what was your favorite wine experience? So that opens it up and I can think immediately to the Willamette Valley, almost. 85 00:06:16,536.104 --> 00:06:22,146.104 13 years ago now going to a winery that doesn't even exist because it was in somebody's garage. 86 00:06:22,146.104 --> 00:06:23,586.104 He was a former engineer. 87 00:06:23,606.104 --> 00:06:24,976.104 Everything was perfection. 88 00:06:25,596.104 --> 00:06:26,726.104 It was just us. 89 00:06:26,726.104 --> 00:06:31,376.104 He brought out his soil samples and his Riesling was divine. 90 00:06:31,386.104 --> 00:06:34,566.104 I think he sold the winery, but it doesn't exist anymore. 91 00:06:34,576.104 --> 00:06:35,976.104 And that's another thing about wine, too. 92 00:06:36,186.104 --> 00:06:38,666.104 Not everything stays in production. 93 00:06:38,936.104 --> 00:06:44,506.104 So sometimes when you tell someone a wine that's not even available, it, that doesn't feel very good either. 94 00:06:44,526.103 --> 00:06:47,526.104 But if I can talk about that experience, it's completely different. 95 00:06:47,626.104 --> 00:06:54,616.104 that's lovely because we do have, in our trade, we do have the tendency to actually just give the answer. 96 00:06:55,731.104 --> 00:07:16,91.104 That we're asked, right? and that completely separates us from, but even that question, if I answer that question, what's your favorite wine experience? I'm going to take to heart what you just said, because, I usually say, oh, well, when Lafitte opened their doors for me and with a couple of our wine school students and they opened up the 94, like that's my answer, but that's an awful answer. 97 00:07:16,491.104 --> 00:07:20,901.104 but there have been so many other experiences that are simple like just like someone's Garage in the willamette valley. 98 00:07:20,901.104 --> 00:07:21,621.104 That's true. 99 00:07:21,631.104 --> 00:07:41,171.104 Or you know, when we're in a for a A wine school tour in Priorat and this winemaker who makes, I'm not going to mention him because he actually is famous, but he, his kids were dirty dipes running around, his menthol cigarettes were in the crusher, the stemmer. 100 00:07:41,411.103 --> 00:07:45,681.104 I mean, it was the dirtiest, awful, but it was also like, Oh. 101 00:07:46,196.104 --> 00:07:50,746.104 Some places you can just be a dirty dog and still make the greatest ones in the world. 102 00:07:51,276.104 --> 00:07:57,416.104 I love that experience because coming from Davis, I always want to be clean and precise. 103 00:07:57,416.104 --> 00:07:59,756.1035 And here's this guy making a wine. 104 00:07:59,756.1035 --> 00:08:02,886.103 I absolutely love, and I honestly, I haven't been able to have it ever since. 105 00:08:03,846.104 --> 00:08:06,686.104 We still have a, in the wine school, we still have a bottle of it in the cellar. 106 00:08:06,686.104 --> 00:08:07,986.104 Like I can't open that. 107 00:08:08,106.104 --> 00:08:09,246.104 That's hilarious. 108 00:08:10,256.104 --> 00:08:13,226.104 I did have the picture of his kid with his dirty dimes running around. 109 00:08:13,626.104 --> 00:08:15,296.103 Like it just seems wrong. 110 00:08:15,591.104 --> 00:08:16,981.104 Yeah, I can picture that too. 111 00:08:17,211.104 --> 00:08:20,501.104 He actually had lines going across the alley from his house. 112 00:08:20,541.104 --> 00:08:39,681.104 Oh, that's right I forgot about oh, yeah No, he had the pumps on one side to the other side because yeah his tanks were on the other side so i'm gonna offer for those of you who maybe are in the wine trade and get this question, I'm going to offer up something that I've learned to do, which is to have a pat answer. 113 00:08:40,201.105 --> 00:08:48,901.104 And I'm not going to share on this podcast what my pat answer is, but I want you, if you're out there, think about something that you. 114 00:08:49,226.105 --> 00:08:55,956.105 A producer and a place you want to support and something that is in an achievable range. 115 00:08:55,986.105 --> 00:09:19,346.104 I think 40 to 50 is ideal and definitely think of something that is unique, you know, not, not, well, I'm not going to dog other wines in the process, but if it's something But I'm just saying, have something in the back of your pocket that when you do get that question, just so that somebody you don't want them to feel that they've asked a bad question, because that's something, too, people don't want to ask about wine. 116 00:09:19,346.104 --> 00:09:23,576.103 So this whole thing about, oh, there, we often say there are no dumb questions. 117 00:09:23,616.103 --> 00:09:24,116.103 Yeah. 118 00:09:24,306.104 --> 00:09:32,606.104 So we don't want to put this out into the world and, and with, with any hint that it's a bad thing to ask questions. 119 00:09:32,896.104 --> 00:09:33,586.104 No, no, yeah. 120 00:09:33,616.104 --> 00:09:33,956.104 So. 121 00:09:34,221.104 --> 00:09:45,961.104 What you can do as somebody in the trade is just have something at the ready that you can tell them about and then maybe segue into what are the things to look for and why you like it so much. 122 00:09:45,991.103 --> 00:09:48,481.104 And that's, that's been my workaround here. 123 00:09:48,891.104 --> 00:09:49,611.104 Oh, that's great. 124 00:09:49,621.103 --> 00:09:55,401.004 My workaround is that I am just so psychologically damaged that the things I like, you know, you're not going to like it. 125 00:09:55,401.104 --> 00:09:56,611.004 You should be grateful for it. 126 00:09:56,611.104 --> 00:09:57,871.104 And I think people believe that. 127 00:09:57,871.104 --> 00:10:00,101.004 I think when you say that, they can accept that. 128 00:10:01,941.104 --> 00:10:17,901.104 After wine school is proudly supported by the National Wine School, the gold standard, and professional wine certifications, whether you're dreaming of a career in the wine industry or just eager to take your wine knowledge to the next level, the National Wine School has you covered. 129 00:10:18,341.104 --> 00:10:23,711.104 Their programs are trusted, rigorous, and designed for aspiring wine pros like you. 130 00:10:26,131.104 --> 00:10:30,811.104 Visit Wine School us to learn more and start your journey today. 131 00:10:32,381.104 --> 00:10:39,451.104 See, this thing is, sadly it hurts, but they do The other thing I would recommend is never recommend a wine you can only find in Manhattan. 132 00:10:39,881.104 --> 00:10:41,411.104 and you know who I'm talking to. 133 00:10:41,491.104 --> 00:10:42,511.104 you know Exactly. 134 00:10:42,511.104 --> 00:10:45,151.104 You're listening right now, you're watching Don't do that. 135 00:10:45,241.104 --> 00:10:47,251.104 That is such a dick move. 136 00:10:47,501.104 --> 00:10:48,11.104 So yeah. 137 00:10:48,81.104 --> 00:10:54,551.104 and I also, like, there are plenty of wines that I love that are inexpensive And so I will, especially if it's in the summer. 138 00:10:54,926.104 --> 00:10:57,376.104 I mean, if I'm eating oysters, I want muscadet. 139 00:10:57,596.104 --> 00:11:00,26.104 Like that's what I want. 140 00:11:00,386.104 --> 00:11:01,566.104 And so things like that. 141 00:11:01,566.104 --> 00:11:12,26.1035 So yeah, I mean, I am more than happy because in the trade people trust me and they know if I'm telling them that, an inexpensive bottle of wine is truly baller, they're going to give it a try. 142 00:11:12,266.1045 --> 00:11:12,736.1045 So, yeah. 143 00:11:12,796.1045 --> 00:11:15,652.7045 And guess what we're doing today? Love that You said that. 144 00:11:15,652.7045 --> 00:11:19,836.0045 Right? That was a beautiful segue. 145 00:11:20,246.0045 --> 00:11:24,956.0035 In fact, we are going to try a mouskedei with you today. 146 00:11:25,256.0045 --> 00:11:34,471.0045 So this is from, oh, I love pronouncing this so much, Famil And the bottling is called a Gulan. 147 00:11:34,581.0045 --> 00:11:35,321.0045 Oh, that's impressive. 148 00:11:35,321.0045 --> 00:11:36,141.0045 So if you wouldn't mind. 149 00:11:36,421.0045 --> 00:11:37,311.0045 Absolutely. 150 00:11:37,721.0045 --> 00:11:43,101.0045 I have already, cause we do have our handy little Coravin here. 151 00:11:44,331.0045 --> 00:11:53,161.0045 I, I'm not intentionally but yay, very important to have when you just want to have a little taste, but oh my God, well, first off, cheers. 152 00:11:56,851.0045 --> 00:12:03,951.0045 You know, just smelling that makes me want to grind up about a pound of oyster shells and just snort them. 153 00:12:04,101.0045 --> 00:12:04,701.0045 Mm hmm. 154 00:12:04,811.0045 --> 00:12:10,251.004 This, yeah, sorry, my tasting notes are never actually very good. 155 00:12:10,301.004 --> 00:12:15,341.004 actually reminds me of one of my favorite memories involving my Pomeranian. 156 00:12:15,501.005 --> 00:12:16,301.005 Oh, no. 157 00:12:16,411.005 --> 00:12:17,905.905 This is Charles. 158 00:12:17,906.005 --> 00:12:18,776.005 Charles is evil. 159 00:12:19,126.005 --> 00:12:45,506.005 lot about Charles, but Charles was on a walk one day close to some oyster flats in New England, and Charles corkscrewed himself into the mud, into the dank, and it was a smell that was kind of unfathomable, and he was never happier, and There's a little whiff of the muck and the mire in this wine, and I absolutely love it. 160 00:12:45,566.005 --> 00:12:49,476.005 this is low tide in the oyster flats. 161 00:12:49,486.005 --> 00:12:50,106.005 Yes. 162 00:12:50,166.004 --> 00:12:50,666.0045 All right. 163 00:12:50,966.0035 --> 00:12:51,356.0035 Now. 164 00:12:52,476.0045 --> 00:12:53,66.0045 intensity. 165 00:12:53,146.0045 --> 00:12:56,276.0045 Personally, I like the fact that's kind of floral. 166 00:12:56,306.0035 --> 00:12:58,596.0035 I thought that it has It's floral. 167 00:12:58,596.0035 --> 00:13:03,946.0035 It's what's that invasive vine that has that amazing smell? I know I can't figure it. 168 00:13:04,486.0025 --> 00:13:05,76.0035 Oh, that's right. 169 00:13:05,436.0035 --> 00:13:15,606.0035 I know Honey suckle is evil the plants is all the time I rip it up whenever it's in public property, never in private. 170 00:13:15,606.0035 --> 00:13:17,466.0035 I mean, I walk by it every day where I live. 171 00:13:17,496.0035 --> 00:13:17,876.0025 I know. 172 00:13:17,926.0035 --> 00:13:18,566.004 beautiful smell. 173 00:13:18,596.003 --> 00:13:19,726.004 Oh, it's an amazing smell. 174 00:13:19,796.004 --> 00:13:20,486.004 It's an absolutely wonderful smell. 175 00:13:20,506.003 --> 00:13:20,686.003 Thanks. 176 00:13:20,746.004 --> 00:13:22,946.004 And lots of minerality, huge amounts of saline. 177 00:13:23,16.003 --> 00:13:23,776.0035 Oh, Oh, God, yeah. 178 00:13:23,776.0035 --> 00:13:24,736.004 No, it's oyster shell. 179 00:13:24,756.004 --> 00:13:25,456.004 it's sea smoke. 180 00:13:26,6.004 --> 00:13:31,170.904 It's, if you ever are in New England or anywhere on the Atlantic, that is sea smoke. 181 00:13:31,571.004 --> 00:13:49,721.004 It happens a little bit on the Pacific too, when it's not really smoke, it's actually the surf, it becomes almost like a fog coming out at you, right when you're on the beach, it hits you with that very specific smell of very clean, clean saline, and it's always very, very cold. 182 00:13:49,731.004 --> 00:13:51,51.003 It's an amazing smell. 183 00:13:51,71.003 --> 00:13:51,461.003 Yes. 184 00:13:51,531.003 --> 00:14:03,996.004 Yeah, that, and I get that also because this is a un, On Lee's, Sir Lee's we're getting a lot, I mean, a lot of not quite cheesy, but very nutty flavor. 185 00:14:03,996.004 --> 00:14:07,296.003 So I'm expecting this is going to have a little bit of round texture along with high acid. 186 00:14:07,516.003 --> 00:14:09,126.004 Almost nougat like. 187 00:14:09,166.004 --> 00:14:10,386.004 It is, thank you. 188 00:14:10,426.003 --> 00:14:11,596.004 I was just looking for that word. 189 00:14:11,606.003 --> 00:14:11,736.003 Yeah. 190 00:14:11,736.004 --> 00:14:17,251.004 And I just, I, Nougat is one of those words, I love it, but I always forget it, yeah, Nougat. 191 00:14:17,301.004 --> 00:14:21,341.004 Yeah, like, cause like everyone wants to remember crushing up oyster shells and snorting them like cocaine. 192 00:14:21,851.004 --> 00:14:23,961.003 Yeah, cause you know, classiest ever. 193 00:14:23,971.003 --> 00:14:24,261.004 Let's take a sip. 194 00:14:24,381.003 --> 00:14:24,801.003 Alright. 195 00:14:28,451.004 --> 00:14:28,781.004 Okay. 196 00:14:30,156.004 --> 00:14:30,526.004 All right. 197 00:14:30,946.004 --> 00:14:33,356.004 Sorry for that, that that tasting noise. 198 00:14:33,666.004 --> 00:14:33,986.004 Ugh. 199 00:14:34,276.004 --> 00:14:39,186.004 But this is, it is, it's just beautifully structured. 200 00:14:39,196.004 --> 00:14:41,746.003 It's got great high toned acidity. 201 00:14:42,286.003 --> 00:14:45,816.004 It has, you know, it does do that lemon lime thing, but it goes to a little bit more. 202 00:14:45,816.004 --> 00:14:50,826.004 What is that flavor there? Is it well, I think it lends almost into tropical fruit. 203 00:14:51,36.004 --> 00:14:51,566.004 Yes. 204 00:14:51,806.004 --> 00:14:57,86.004 Thank you now You are way better at this than I am. 205 00:14:57,86.004 --> 00:15:02,246.004 Okay, like so if we want to ID what kind of tropical fruit What are we thinking here? Okay. 206 00:15:03,356.004 --> 00:15:04,706.004 Okay, everyone. 207 00:15:04,836.004 --> 00:15:09,706.004 This is gonna be both true and annoying that she can do that I love fruit so much. 208 00:15:09,756.004 --> 00:15:12,416.004 I truly love fruit and I love Asian food. 209 00:15:13,26.004 --> 00:15:19,306.004 And one of my best food experiences, peak food experiences, was Vietnam. 210 00:15:20,486.004 --> 00:15:30,925.905 Alright, And the two fruits that I truly fell in love with there were passion fruit, which is incredibly tart and searing, and also jackfruit. 211 00:15:31,196.005 --> 00:15:33,456.005 Yeah, is wildly delicious. 212 00:15:33,476.005 --> 00:15:56,256.004 So I guess I want to say those two if you don't know those two I would say a papaya really dive into some exotic fruits, Rambutan, that's something that shows up in wines, and I sound so pretentious, but I wouldn't if more people tried it and could also smell that and taste it. 213 00:15:56,511.004 --> 00:15:57,601.004 Okay, so jackfruit. 214 00:15:57,671.004 --> 00:15:58,671.004 Now jackfruit is fantastic. 215 00:15:58,911.004 --> 00:16:03,211.004 Not only like the fruit's delicious, but also the closer you get in. 216 00:16:03,221.004 --> 00:16:07,91.004 the closer you get into the center, it gets meaty, breaking it down. 217 00:16:07,191.004 --> 00:16:08,91.004 And that's where this is. 218 00:16:08,101.004 --> 00:16:09,41.003 So I want to explain. 219 00:16:09,41.004 --> 00:16:10,781.005 it's the nether regions of a papaya. 220 00:16:11,21.005 --> 00:16:11,651.005 There you go. 221 00:16:11,701.005 --> 00:16:14,101.005 If It had one that's what it is. 222 00:16:14,101.005 --> 00:16:15,371.005 It's got a little stank. 223 00:16:15,491.005 --> 00:16:19,231.005 Yeah, it's but it's all kinds of fruit It makes you feel a little bit dirty. 224 00:16:19,241.005 --> 00:16:20,701.005 Yeah, but super delicious. 225 00:16:20,731.004 --> 00:16:21,171.004 Yes. 226 00:16:21,221.005 --> 00:16:21,671.005 Yes. 227 00:16:21,701.005 --> 00:16:44,911.005 Yeah, I think I think everybody will understand that Yeah Yeah, well, you know, hey, okay, but you can picture it, you know, do you know that people today are drinking less? Wine, are we aiding in that effort or no, we're trying to, we are much more open as a society for different kinds of expressions of, of sexuality, humanity, all over. 228 00:16:44,941.005 --> 00:16:51,801.005 And just because I'm really into the nether regions of a papaya, it should be acceptable in civil society. 229 00:16:52,231.005 --> 00:16:54,981.005 I'm just saying, and I think everyone will like this more. 230 00:16:55,191.005 --> 00:16:55,311.005 Okay. 231 00:16:55,561.005 --> 00:16:57,391.005 I think, I think we're adult enough. 232 00:16:57,531.005 --> 00:16:57,981.005 Excellent. 233 00:16:58,21.005 --> 00:16:59,121.005 This is after school. 234 00:16:59,201.005 --> 00:16:59,541.005 Yes. 235 00:17:00,111.005 --> 00:17:02,661.005 And I don't know about you, but I want to keep drinking this. 236 00:17:02,671.005 --> 00:17:02,991.005 Yes, please. 237 00:17:03,121.005 --> 00:17:07,251.005 And I don't want everyone to watch me do this because I'm going to drink this whole bottle. 238 00:17:07,301.005 --> 00:17:07,791.005 Okay. 239 00:17:08,21.004 --> 00:17:10,571.005 And I am going to snort some more oyster shells with this. 240 00:17:10,781.004 --> 00:17:13,91.004 Yeah, you're definitely not going to do that in front of me. 241 00:17:13,141.005 --> 00:17:13,511.005 No. 242 00:17:13,561.105 --> 00:17:19,981.105 Does that mean our time has come to an end? I just want to say everyone thank you for listening, watching however you're getting this. 243 00:17:20,11.105 --> 00:17:22,11.105 By all means, please subscribe. 244 00:17:22,411.106 --> 00:17:23,171.106 Oh, oh, oh. 245 00:17:23,271.106 --> 00:17:25,251.106 Yes? Everything we have said. 246 00:17:25,526.106 --> 00:17:32,906.106 That is our own personal opinion and should not reflect on any business we may be associated with, even our own. 247 00:17:33,316.106 --> 00:17:34,526.106 Yeah, that's true. 248 00:17:34,536.106 --> 00:17:36,46.106 We promised we would give that disclaimer. 249 00:17:36,106.106 --> 00:17:37,636.106 Yeah, that's why this is after school. 250 00:17:37,646.106 --> 00:17:38,436.106 Yeah, after school. 251 00:17:38,446.105 --> 00:17:39,756.105 This is after school, man. 252 00:17:39,786.106 --> 00:17:40,446.105 This is it. 253 00:17:40,506.106 --> 00:17:41,396.105 All right, guys. 254 00:17:41,766.106 --> 00:17:42,816.106 Have a great time. 255 00:17:43,316.106 --> 00:17:44,356.106 Drink some great wine. 256 00:17:44,366.106 --> 00:17:45,236.106 Find some muscadet. 257 00:17:45,466.106 --> 00:17:46,826.106 Find one that's a little smelly. 258 00:17:47,266.106 --> 00:17:48,166.106 Hey, let us know. 259 00:17:48,766.106 --> 00:17:49,956.106 Just let us know. 260 00:17:50,126.106 --> 00:17:50,466.106 Look. 261 00:17:50,806.106 --> 00:17:53,936.106 In the comments, whatever, thank you. 262 00:17:54,26.106 --> 00:17:54,996.106 Have a great night. 263 00:17:55,256.106 --> 00:17:58,26.106 Enjoy drink, good wine, drink, boring wine. 264 00:17:58,326.106 --> 00:17:59,776.106 Just don't ask me any questions. 265 00:18:00,296.106 --> 00:18:05,26.105 No, ask me all the questions in the world. 266 00:18:05,26.106 --> 00:18:05,636.106 Thank you guys. 267 00:18:05,646.106 --> 00:18:06,106.106 Cheers. 268 00:18:06,246.106 --> 00:18:06,456.106 Cheers. 269 00:18:13,316.106 --> 00:18:16,296.106 Thanks for spending time with us on After Wine School. 270 00:18:16,836.106 --> 00:18:23,946.105 If you enjoyed today's episode, hit subscribe so you never miss out on more wine wisdom, tips, and laughs.
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I'm the Director of Wine Education at the Wine School of Philadelphia.
And you are Keith Wallace, the Founder and Director of the Wine School of Philadelphia. 16 00:01:02,155.999 --> 00:01:07,656 Yes, And we are sponsored by the National Wine School, the leading online program for Somalias.
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Awesome. 18 00:01:08,495.999 --> 00:01:09,746 So first off.
I did a AI question.
Mm-hmm I went on the Chachi PT and I asked them a very simple question, what is the most annoying wine question in the world? Mm-hmm And it came back with, it came back and I actually agree with it.
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I thought it was perfect.
I thought it was fantastic.
So I want to talk about this, and afterwards we are going to taste some wine.
.9995So, all right. 26 00:01:35,580.9995 --> 00:01:38,541 But first off, do you know what that question was? Oh, I did.
.001All right. 28 00:01:40,91.001 --> 00:01:41,421.001 Okay, let's pretend you don't know what it is.
I have no idea. 30 00:01:42,711.001 --> 00:01:43,501 My God. 31 00:01:44,231.001 --> 00:01:45,321 Well, it's amazing.
.001having someone ask you, what is your favorite wine? Yeah, and that is dead on. 33 00:01:52,86.001 --> 00:01:52,516.001 It is. 34 00:01:52,676.001 --> 00:02:07,106.001 Why is it? Why is that such a dumb question? So, and I feel, I feel some kind of way even saying that it's a dumb question because I know that it, it can almost hurt some people to hear that because it seems so innocuous. 35 00:02:07,126.001 --> 00:02:14,276.001 What's your favorite color? What's your favorite movie? What's your favorite wine? But you know, wine is one of those things that is very. 36 00:02:14,586.001 --> 00:02:15,786.001 individual. 37 00:02:16,416.001 --> 00:02:22,756.001 We also have a lot of conceptions of elitism and power wrapped up in it. 38 00:02:22,776.001 --> 00:02:23,306 Hear, hear.
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So there's some weighing and balancing that you always have to do.
You really want to calibrate it in a way for your audience. 41 00:02:31,66.001 --> 00:02:39,206.002 And if you give something that is so obscure, esoteric, or wildly expensive, you know, that's not going to make somebody feel good. 42 00:02:39,266.002 --> 00:02:40,430.902 And that's what we do. 43 00:02:40,431.002 --> 00:02:41,21.002 for yourself. 44 00:02:50,851.002 --> 00:02:55,21.002 I want somebody, if they're having a conversation with me, to feel good about it. 45 00:02:55,141.002 --> 00:03:02,401.001 And so I don't want them to feel like they're outside looking in, which I think is how so many people feel about wine. 46 00:03:02,411.002 --> 00:03:03,641.002 So those are my reasons. 47 00:03:03,651.002 --> 00:03:04,591.002 What are yours? That's, okay. 48 00:03:04,641.002 --> 00:03:06,341.002 I should clarify the question. 49 00:03:06,341.002 --> 00:03:08,11.002 I didn't give you the whole question. 50 00:03:08,521.002 --> 00:03:15,231.002 The whole question was, what is the worst question or the dumbest question to ask a Somalier? So that's it. 51 00:03:15,241.001 --> 00:03:16,521.002 That's the real question. 52 00:03:16,551.002 --> 00:03:20,401.002 It's not like, go ahead, ask your friends what their favorite wine is. 53 00:03:20,451.002 --> 00:03:23,71.001 It's, but asking a Somalier, Okay. 54 00:03:23,71.001 --> 00:03:31,731.001 So a couple of things that I like to point out is that, you know, if you are just listening to jazz, let's say that you have never listened to jazz before. 55 00:03:32,211.001 --> 00:03:41,151.001 And you ask somebody who has been listening or study or even playing jazz for decades, what their favorite jazz is. 56 00:03:41,531.001 --> 00:03:41,981.001 Okay. 57 00:03:42,11.001 --> 00:03:43,461.001 It's not going to be something easy. 58 00:03:43,481.001 --> 00:03:45,171.001 It's going to be something like Coltrane. 59 00:03:45,461.001 --> 00:03:46,681.001 It's going to be deep. 60 00:03:46,851.001 --> 00:04:01,790.901 Weird, interesting, because over time, you know, the simple things you get kind of jaded over, like the first time I ever tried an Australian Shiraz, I was at that time, I think I was probably a cook in a restaurant and someone poured that for me. 61 00:04:01,791.001 --> 00:04:03,861.001 I was like, Oh my God, this is the best thing ever. 62 00:04:03,971.001 --> 00:04:07,371.001 Like, there's never anything that's ever going to be better than this. 63 00:04:07,841.001 --> 00:04:28,661.001 And of course, over time, that was like an 8 bottle, or at that time, probably 6, because that was A few years ago, and so I think that as you asking me what my favorite wine is, it's not going to answer the question you actually want to have answered, which is, what should I be drinking? What will I like? And because what I like is going to be way different. 64 00:04:28,661.001 --> 00:04:31,411.001 And FYI, it still is in the Syrah family. 65 00:04:31,641.002 --> 00:04:35,381.002 It's just hermitage, which I usually tell people, you know. 66 00:04:35,666.002 --> 00:04:43,496.002 My favorite wine in the world, when you open it up, it just smells like Bambi died three months ago. 67 00:04:44,186.001 --> 00:04:44,736.001 Yeah. 68 00:04:44,906.002 --> 00:04:46,526.002 I mean, it is so stinky. 69 00:04:46,556.001 --> 00:04:52,556.001 It's so intense, but it hits this weird thing in my amygdala that makes me just like glad to be alive. 70 00:04:52,906.001 --> 00:04:59,136.002 I mean, it hits like some weird monkey place where I'm just like ripping apart some sort of, you know, animal. 71 00:04:59,156.002 --> 00:05:02,796.002 Oh, it is so delicious, but it's also then just so elegant and beautiful. 72 00:05:02,796.002 --> 00:05:04,646.002 And yeah, I love that wine. 73 00:05:04,646.002 --> 00:05:05,556.001 But also like. 74 00:05:06,676.002 --> 00:05:07,806.002 Exactly, you said it. 75 00:05:08,246.002 --> 00:05:10,956.002 I mean that's hundreds of dollars a bottle for the wine. 76 00:05:11,256.002 --> 00:05:13,96.002 Yeah, I've had that. 77 00:05:13,146.002 --> 00:05:15,756.002 I absolutely love it but that's not where you start. 78 00:05:15,756.002 --> 00:05:26,176.002 It's not answering the question They want answered and because that's a harder at question like, you know, what am I gonna like? That's harder because that there's all kinds of things in that. 79 00:05:26,226.102 --> 00:05:43,696.103 There is the, you know, are you a super taster? how much saliva you're excreting at that point? What's your, you know, what's your anxiety level right there? You know, what kinds of experiences have you had? Who you are, your experiences up to that point, and so it's a longer conversation. 80 00:05:43,706.103 --> 00:05:50,916.103 Like that's the kind of thing where once I know somebody, like who's taken a few classes with me, I can start getting an idea of the things that they love. 81 00:05:50,926.103 --> 00:05:54,86.104 so that's my answer is, yeah, there's no good answer. 82 00:05:54,156.104 --> 00:05:56,516.104 Well, I would say, so we can. 83 00:05:56,981.104 --> 00:06:00,1.104 offer a modification on that question. 84 00:06:00,401.104 --> 00:06:15,411.104 What I would love to answer is the question, what was your favorite wine experience? So that opens it up and I can think immediately to the Willamette Valley, almost. 85 00:06:16,536.104 --> 00:06:22,146.104 13 years ago now going to a winery that doesn't even exist because it was in somebody's garage. 86 00:06:22,146.104 --> 00:06:23,586.104 He was a former engineer. 87 00:06:23,606.104 --> 00:06:24,976.104 Everything was perfection. 88 00:06:25,596.104 --> 00:06:26,726.104 It was just us. 89 00:06:26,726.104 --> 00:06:31,376.104 He brought out his soil samples and his Riesling was divine. 90 00:06:31,386.104 --> 00:06:34,566.104 I think he sold the winery, but it doesn't exist anymore. 91 00:06:34,576.104 --> 00:06:35,976.104 And that's another thing about wine, too. 92 00:06:36,186.104 --> 00:06:38,666.104 Not everything stays in production. 93 00:06:38,936.104 --> 00:06:44,506.104 So sometimes when you tell someone a wine that's not even available, it, that doesn't feel very good either. 94 00:06:44,526.103 --> 00:06:47,526.104 But if I can talk about that experience, it's completely different. 95 00:06:47,626.104 --> 00:06:54,616.104 that's lovely because we do have, in our trade, we do have the tendency to actually just give the answer. 96 00:06:55,731.104 --> 00:07:16,91.104 That we're asked, right? and that completely separates us from, but even that question, if I answer that question, what's your favorite wine experience? I'm going to take to heart what you just said, because, I usually say, oh, well, when Lafitte opened their doors for me and with a couple of our wine school students and they opened up the 94, like that's my answer, but that's an awful answer. 97 00:07:16,491.104 --> 00:07:20,901.104 but there have been so many other experiences that are simple like just like someone's Garage in the willamette valley. 98 00:07:20,901.104 --> 00:07:21,621.104 That's true. 99 00:07:21,631.104 --> 00:07:41,171.104 Or you know, when we're in a for a A wine school tour in Priorat and this winemaker who makes, I'm not going to mention him because he actually is famous, but he, his kids were dirty dipes running around, his menthol cigarettes were in the crusher, the stemmer. 100 00:07:41,411.103 --> 00:07:45,681.104 I mean, it was the dirtiest, awful, but it was also like, Oh. 101 00:07:46,196.104 --> 00:07:50,746.104 Some places you can just be a dirty dog and still make the greatest ones in the world. 102 00:07:51,276.104 --> 00:07:57,416.104 I love that experience because coming from Davis, I always want to be clean and precise. 103 00:07:57,416.104 --> 00:07:59,756.1035 And here's this guy making a wine. 104 00:07:59,756.1035 --> 00:08:02,886.103 I absolutely love, and I honestly, I haven't been able to have it ever since. 105 00:08:03,846.104 --> 00:08:06,686.104 We still have a, in the wine school, we still have a bottle of it in the cellar. 106 00:08:06,686.104 --> 00:08:07,986.104 Like I can't open that. 107 00:08:08,106.104 --> 00:08:09,246.104 That's hilarious. 108 00:08:10,256.104 --> 00:08:13,226.104 I did have the picture of his kid with his dirty dimes running around. 109 00:08:13,626.104 --> 00:08:15,296.103 Like it just seems wrong. 110 00:08:15,591.104 --> 00:08:16,981.104 Yeah, I can picture that too. 111 00:08:17,211.104 --> 00:08:20,501.104 He actually had lines going across the alley from his house. 112 00:08:20,541.104 --> 00:08:39,681.104 Oh, that's right I forgot about oh, yeah No, he had the pumps on one side to the other side because yeah his tanks were on the other side so i'm gonna offer for those of you who maybe are in the wine trade and get this question, I'm going to offer up something that I've learned to do, which is to have a pat answer. 113 00:08:40,201.105 --> 00:08:48,901.104 And I'm not going to share on this podcast what my pat answer is, but I want you, if you're out there, think about something that you. 114 00:08:49,226.105 --> 00:08:55,956.105 A producer and a place you want to support and something that is in an achievable range. 115 00:08:55,986.105 --> 00:09:19,346.104 I think 40 to 50 is ideal and definitely think of something that is unique, you know, not, not, well, I'm not going to dog other wines in the process, but if it's something But I'm just saying, have something in the back of your pocket that when you do get that question, just so that somebody you don't want them to feel that they've asked a bad question, because that's something, too, people don't want to ask about wine. 116 00:09:19,346.104 --> 00:09:23,576.103 So this whole thing about, oh, there, we often say there are no dumb questions. 117 00:09:23,616.103 --> 00:09:24,116.103 Yeah. 118 00:09:24,306.104 --> 00:09:32,606.104 So we don't want to put this out into the world and, and with, with any hint that it's a bad thing to ask questions. 119 00:09:32,896.104 --> 00:09:33,586.104 No, no, yeah. 120 00:09:33,616.104 --> 00:09:33,956.104 So. 121 00:09:34,221.104 --> 00:09:45,961.104 What you can do as somebody in the trade is just have something at the ready that you can tell them about and then maybe segue into what are the things to look for and why you like it so much. 122 00:09:45,991.103 --> 00:09:48,481.104 And that's, that's been my workaround here. 123 00:09:48,891.104 --> 00:09:49,611.104 Oh, that's great. 124 00:09:49,621.103 --> 00:09:55,401.004 My workaround is that I am just so psychologically damaged that the things I like, you know, you're not going to like it. 125 00:09:55,401.104 --> 00:09:56,611.004 You should be grateful for it. 126 00:09:56,611.104 --> 00:09:57,871.104 And I think people believe that. 127 00:09:57,871.104 --> 00:10:00,101.004 I think when you say that, they can accept that. 128 00:10:01,941.104 --> 00:10:17,901.104 After wine school is proudly supported by the National Wine School, the gold standard, and professional wine certifications, whether you're dreaming of a career in the wine industry or just eager to take your wine knowledge to the next level, the National Wine School has you covered. 129 00:10:18,341.104 --> 00:10:23,711.104 Their programs are trusted, rigorous, and designed for aspiring wine pros like you. 130 00:10:26,131.104 --> 00:10:30,811.104 Visit Wine School us to learn more and start your journey today. 131 00:10:32,381.104 --> 00:10:39,451.104 See, this thing is, sadly it hurts, but they do The other thing I would recommend is never recommend a wine you can only find in Manhattan. 132 00:10:39,881.104 --> 00:10:41,411.104 and you know who I'm talking to. 133 00:10:41,491.104 --> 00:10:42,511.104 you know Exactly. 134 00:10:42,511.104 --> 00:10:45,151.104 You're listening right now, you're watching Don't do that. 135 00:10:45,241.104 --> 00:10:47,251.104 That is such a dick move. 136 00:10:47,501.104 --> 00:10:48,11.104 So yeah. 137 00:10:48,81.104 --> 00:10:54,551.104 and I also, like, there are plenty of wines that I love that are inexpensive And so I will, especially if it's in the summer. 138 00:10:54,926.104 --> 00:10:57,376.104 I mean, if I'm eating oysters, I want muscadet. 139 00:10:57,596.104 --> 00:11:00,26.104 Like that's what I want. 140 00:11:00,386.104 --> 00:11:01,566.104 And so things like that. 141 00:11:01,566.104 --> 00:11:12,26.1035 So yeah, I mean, I am more than happy because in the trade people trust me and they know if I'm telling them that, an inexpensive bottle of wine is truly baller, they're going to give it a try. 142 00:11:12,266.1045 --> 00:11:12,736.1045 So, yeah. 143 00:11:12,796.1045 --> 00:11:15,652.7045 And guess what we're doing today? Love that You said that. 144 00:11:15,652.7045 --> 00:11:19,836.0045 Right? That was a beautiful segue. 145 00:11:20,246.0045 --> 00:11:24,956.0035 In fact, we are going to try a mouskedei with you today. 146 00:11:25,256.0045 --> 00:11:34,471.0045 So this is from, oh, I love pronouncing this so much, Famil And the bottling is called a Gulan. 147 00:11:34,581.0045 --> 00:11:35,321.0045 Oh, that's impressive. 148 00:11:35,321.0045 --> 00:11:36,141.0045 So if you wouldn't mind. 149 00:11:36,421.0045 --> 00:11:37,311.0045 Absolutely. 150 00:11:37,721.0045 --> 00:11:43,101.0045 I have already, cause we do have our handy little Coravin here. 151 00:11:44,331.0045 --> 00:11:53,161.0045 I, I'm not intentionally but yay, very important to have when you just want to have a little taste, but oh my God, well, first off, cheers. 152 00:11:56,851.0045 --> 00:12:03,951.0045 You know, just smelling that makes me want to grind up about a pound of oyster shells and just snort them. 153 00:12:04,101.0045 --> 00:12:04,701.0045 Mm hmm. 154 00:12:04,811.0045 --> 00:12:10,251.004 This, yeah, sorry, my tasting notes are never actually very good. 155 00:12:10,301.004 --> 00:12:15,341.004 actually reminds me of one of my favorite memories involving my Pomeranian. 156 00:12:15,501.005 --> 00:12:16,301.005 Oh, no. 157 00:12:16,411.005 --> 00:12:17,905.905 This is Charles. 158 00:12:17,906.005 --> 00:12:18,776.005 Charles is evil. 159 00:12:19,126.005 --> 00:12:45,506.005 lot about Charles, but Charles was on a walk one day close to some oyster flats in New England, and Charles corkscrewed himself into the mud, into the dank, and it was a smell that was kind of unfathomable, and he was never happier, and There's a little whiff of the muck and the mire in this wine, and I absolutely love it. 160 00:12:45,566.005 --> 00:12:49,476.005 this is low tide in the oyster flats. 161 00:12:49,486.005 --> 00:12:50,106.005 Yes. 162 00:12:50,166.004 --> 00:12:50,666.0045 All right. 163 00:12:50,966.0035 --> 00:12:51,356.0035 Now. 164 00:12:52,476.0045 --> 00:12:53,66.0045 intensity. 165 00:12:53,146.0045 --> 00:12:56,276.0045 Personally, I like the fact that's kind of floral. 166 00:12:56,306.0035 --> 00:12:58,596.0035 I thought that it has It's floral. 167 00:12:58,596.0035 --> 00:13:03,946.0035 It's what's that invasive vine that has that amazing smell? I know I can't figure it. 168 00:13:04,486.0025 --> 00:13:05,76.0035 Oh, that's right. 169 00:13:05,436.0035 --> 00:13:15,606.0035 I know Honey suckle is evil the plants is all the time I rip it up whenever it's in public property, never in private. 170 00:13:15,606.0035 --> 00:13:17,466.0035 I mean, I walk by it every day where I live. 171 00:13:17,496.0035 --> 00:13:17,876.0025 I know. 172 00:13:17,926.0035 --> 00:13:18,566.004 beautiful smell. 173 00:13:18,596.003 --> 00:13:19,726.004 Oh, it's an amazing smell. 174 00:13:19,796.004 --> 00:13:20,486.004 It's an absolutely wonderful smell. 175 00:13:20,506.003 --> 00:13:20,686.003 Thanks. 176 00:13:20,746.004 --> 00:13:22,946.004 And lots of minerality, huge amounts of saline. 177 00:13:23,16.003 --> 00:13:23,776.0035 Oh, Oh, God, yeah. 178 00:13:23,776.0035 --> 00:13:24,736.004 No, it's oyster shell. 179 00:13:24,756.004 --> 00:13:25,456.004 it's sea smoke. 180 00:13:26,6.004 --> 00:13:31,170.904 It's, if you ever are in New England or anywhere on the Atlantic, that is sea smoke. 181 00:13:31,571.004 --> 00:13:49,721.004 It happens a little bit on the Pacific too, when it's not really smoke, it's actually the surf, it becomes almost like a fog coming out at you, right when you're on the beach, it hits you with that very specific smell of very clean, clean saline, and it's always very, very cold. 182 00:13:49,731.004 --> 00:13:51,51.003 It's an amazing smell. 183 00:13:51,71.003 --> 00:13:51,461.003 Yes. 184 00:13:51,531.003 --> 00:14:03,996.004 Yeah, that, and I get that also because this is a un, On Lee's, Sir Lee's we're getting a lot, I mean, a lot of not quite cheesy, but very nutty flavor. 185 00:14:03,996.004 --> 00:14:07,296.003 So I'm expecting this is going to have a little bit of round texture along with high acid. 186 00:14:07,516.003 --> 00:14:09,126.004 Almost nougat like. 187 00:14:09,166.004 --> 00:14:10,386.004 It is, thank you. 188 00:14:10,426.003 --> 00:14:11,596.004 I was just looking for that word. 189 00:14:11,606.003 --> 00:14:11,736.003 Yeah. 190 00:14:11,736.004 --> 00:14:17,251.004 And I just, I, Nougat is one of those words, I love it, but I always forget it, yeah, Nougat. 191 00:14:17,301.004 --> 00:14:21,341.004 Yeah, like, cause like everyone wants to remember crushing up oyster shells and snorting them like cocaine. 192 00:14:21,851.004 --> 00:14:23,961.003 Yeah, cause you know, classiest ever. 193 00:14:23,971.003 --> 00:14:24,261.004 Let's take a sip. 194 00:14:24,381.003 --> 00:14:24,801.003 Alright. 195 00:14:28,451.004 --> 00:14:28,781.004 Okay. 196 00:14:30,156.004 --> 00:14:30,526.004 All right. 197 00:14:30,946.004 --> 00:14:33,356.004 Sorry for that, that that tasting noise. 198 00:14:33,666.004 --> 00:14:33,986.004 Ugh. 199 00:14:34,276.004 --> 00:14:39,186.004 But this is, it is, it's just beautifully structured. 200 00:14:39,196.004 --> 00:14:41,746.003 It's got great high toned acidity. 201 00:14:42,286.003 --> 00:14:45,816.004 It has, you know, it does do that lemon lime thing, but it goes to a little bit more. 202 00:14:45,816.004 --> 00:14:50,826.004 What is that flavor there? Is it well, I think it lends almost into tropical fruit. 203 00:14:51,36.004 --> 00:14:51,566.004 Yes. 204 00:14:51,806.004 --> 00:14:57,86.004 Thank you now You are way better at this than I am. 205 00:14:57,86.004 --> 00:15:02,246.004 Okay, like so if we want to ID what kind of tropical fruit What are we thinking here? Okay. 206 00:15:03,356.004 --> 00:15:04,706.004 Okay, everyone. 207 00:15:04,836.004 --> 00:15:09,706.004 This is gonna be both true and annoying that she can do that I love fruit so much. 208 00:15:09,756.004 --> 00:15:12,416.004 I truly love fruit and I love Asian food. 209 00:15:13,26.004 --> 00:15:19,306.004 And one of my best food experiences, peak food experiences, was Vietnam. 210 00:15:20,486.004 --> 00:15:30,925.905 Alright, And the two fruits that I truly fell in love with there were passion fruit, which is incredibly tart and searing, and also jackfruit. 211 00:15:31,196.005 --> 00:15:33,456.005 Yeah, is wildly delicious. 212 00:15:33,476.005 --> 00:15:56,256.004 So I guess I want to say those two if you don't know those two I would say a papaya really dive into some exotic fruits, Rambutan, that's something that shows up in wines, and I sound so pretentious, but I wouldn't if more people tried it and could also smell that and taste it. 213 00:15:56,511.004 --> 00:15:57,601.004 Okay, so jackfruit. 214 00:15:57,671.004 --> 00:15:58,671.004 Now jackfruit is fantastic. 215 00:15:58,911.004 --> 00:16:03,211.004 Not only like the fruit's delicious, but also the closer you get in. 216 00:16:03,221.004 --> 00:16:07,91.004 the closer you get into the center, it gets meaty, breaking it down. 217 00:16:07,191.004 --> 00:16:08,91.004 And that's where this is. 218 00:16:08,101.004 --> 00:16:09,41.003 So I want to explain. 219 00:16:09,41.004 --> 00:16:10,781.005 it's the nether regions of a papaya. 220 00:16:11,21.005 --> 00:16:11,651.005 There you go. 221 00:16:11,701.005 --> 00:16:14,101.005 If It had one that's what it is. 222 00:16:14,101.005 --> 00:16:15,371.005 It's got a little stank. 223 00:16:15,491.005 --> 00:16:19,231.005 Yeah, it's but it's all kinds of fruit It makes you feel a little bit dirty. 224 00:16:19,241.005 --> 00:16:20,701.005 Yeah, but super delicious. 225 00:16:20,731.004 --> 00:16:21,171.004 Yes. 226 00:16:21,221.005 --> 00:16:21,671.005 Yes. 227 00:16:21,701.005 --> 00:16:44,911.005 Yeah, I think I think everybody will understand that Yeah Yeah, well, you know, hey, okay, but you can picture it, you know, do you know that people today are drinking less? Wine, are we aiding in that effort or no, we're trying to, we are much more open as a society for different kinds of expressions of, of sexuality, humanity, all over. 228 00:16:44,941.005 --> 00:16:51,801.005 And just because I'm really into the nether regions of a papaya, it should be acceptable in civil society. 229 00:16:52,231.005 --> 00:16:54,981.005 I'm just saying, and I think everyone will like this more. 230 00:16:55,191.005 --> 00:16:55,311.005 Okay. 231 00:16:55,561.005 --> 00:16:57,391.005 I think, I think we're adult enough. 232 00:16:57,531.005 --> 00:16:57,981.005 Excellent. 233 00:16:58,21.005 --> 00:16:59,121.005 This is after school. 234 00:16:59,201.005 --> 00:16:59,541.005 Yes. 235 00:17:00,111.005 --> 00:17:02,661.005 And I don't know about you, but I want to keep drinking this. 236 00:17:02,671.005 --> 00:17:02,991.005 Yes, please. 237 00:17:03,121.005 --> 00:17:07,251.005 And I don't want everyone to watch me do this because I'm going to drink this whole bottle. 238 00:17:07,301.005 --> 00:17:07,791.005 Okay. 239 00:17:08,21.004 --> 00:17:10,571.005 And I am going to snort some more oyster shells with this. 240 00:17:10,781.004 --> 00:17:13,91.004 Yeah, you're definitely not going to do that in front of me. 241 00:17:13,141.005 --> 00:17:13,511.005 No. 242 00:17:13,561.105 --> 00:17:19,981.105 Does that mean our time has come to an end? I just want to say everyone thank you for listening, watching however you're getting this. 243 00:17:20,11.105 --> 00:17:22,11.105 By all means, please subscribe. 244 00:17:22,411.106 --> 00:17:23,171.106 Oh, oh, oh. 245 00:17:23,271.106 --> 00:17:25,251.106 Yes? Everything we have said. 246 00:17:25,526.106 --> 00:17:32,906.106 That is our own personal opinion and should not reflect on any business we may be associated with, even our own. 247 00:17:33,316.106 --> 00:17:34,526.106 Yeah, that's true. 248 00:17:34,536.106 --> 00:17:36,46.106 We promised we would give that disclaimer. 249 00:17:36,106.106 --> 00:17:37,636.106 Yeah, that's why this is after school. 250 00:17:37,646.106 --> 00:17:38,436.106 Yeah, after school. 251 00:17:38,446.105 --> 00:17:39,756.105 This is after school, man. 252 00:17:39,786.106 --> 00:17:40,446.105 This is it. 253 00:17:40,506.106 --> 00:17:41,396.105 All right, guys. 254 00:17:41,766.106 --> 00:17:42,816.106 Have a great time. 255 00:17:43,316.106 --> 00:17:44,356.106 Drink some great wine. 256 00:17:44,366.106 --> 00:17:45,236.106 Find some muscadet. 257 00:17:45,466.106 --> 00:17:46,826.106 Find one that's a little smelly. 258 00:17:47,266.106 --> 00:17:48,166.106 Hey, let us know. 259 00:17:48,766.106 --> 00:17:49,956.106 Just let us know. 260 00:17:50,126.106 --> 00:17:50,466.106 Look. 261 00:17:50,806.106 --> 00:17:53,936.106 In the comments, whatever, thank you. 262 00:17:54,26.106 --> 00:17:54,996.106 Have a great night. 263 00:17:55,256.106 --> 00:17:58,26.106 Enjoy drink, good wine, drink, boring wine. 264 00:17:58,326.106 --> 00:17:59,776.106 Just don't ask me any questions. 265 00:18:00,296.106 --> 00:18:05,26.105 No, ask me all the questions in the world. 266 00:18:05,26.106 --> 00:18:05,636.106 Thank you guys. 267 00:18:05,646.106 --> 00:18:06,106.106 Cheers. 268 00:18:06,246.106 --> 00:18:06,456.106 Cheers. 269 00:18:13,316.106 --> 00:18:16,296.106 Thanks for spending time with us on After Wine School. 270 00:18:16,836.106 --> 00:18:23,946.105 If you enjoyed today's episode, hit subscribe so you never miss out on more wine wisdom, tips, and laughs.
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