Jonathan Torrens - We unearthed things... Creative Evolution, Trailer Park Boys, Mr. D, and truly Canadian Entertainment - Afternoon Pint

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Cheers, all right, cheers, cheers.
Finally, I nailed you two down.

Speaker 3 (00:06):
You've been dodging me for two years trying to make
this happen.
I had to beg you.
No, I haven't been constantlymessaging you or anything on
various platforms trying to geta hold of you.
That never happened.
Can I confess my?

Speaker 1 (00:15):
deepest, darkest fear .
Sure, it's that everything Iknow, think and feel I've said
out loud and been documentedsaying somewhere, and I have no
new information to share.
So my task is for both of youto unearth never before told
anecdotes stories from the darkrecesses of my mind.
But I feel like so much of ithas been documented, that's fair

(00:39):
.
Obviously.
I know we haven't evenintroduced ourselves yet, but
obviously, when you play otherpeople for a living, I do think
it behooves you to retain somemystery.
That's fair, sure.
So where are the bodies?

Speaker 3 (00:51):
Yeah well, here's a nice question when are the
comedic bodies?

Speaker 2 (00:55):
That's for you to uncover.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
It's a crime.
Podcast.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
Yeah, there you go.
Yeah, exactly Now that allmakes sense.
Now you're just talking aboutthat home in Texas.
Huh, yeah, okay, nashville,nashville, Was it Nashville?
Yeah, nashville.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
But I mean, you know, moving out to you know you're
out here in Truro, yeah, lots ofplace to hide bodies, just
right.
Yeah, that's it.
Figurative lines, so yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
So it's now a nice time to plug this restaurant.
The beautiful Parrot Asia Thaifood I think we're going to
experience their food a littlebit later on today.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
Yeah, this looks great.
My favorite type ofconversation is a parrot chat.
Parrot chat.
There you go.
Yeah, parrot chat.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
So we totally messed up our intros.
Let's try it again.
We'll keep this in, but we'lltry it again just to get it for
fun.
Okay, all right, for fun Cheers.
Welcome to the Afternoon Pint.
I'm Mike Tobin, I am MattConrad, and who do we have?

Speaker 1 (01:43):
with us today.
I'm Jonathan Orman-Torrens Patand.
Susan's boy from Sherwood.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
There you go.
That's never been said before.
No, no.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
Hasn't it?
I think I feel like Brent Butthas a bit where he refers to
himself as it's not even a bitas his parent's child.
I always thought that was kindof endearing.
Yeah, I always thought that waskind of endearing.
Small townie, yeah, I mean.
Yeah, he's great too.
Too bad.
Nothing ever happened for himcareer-wise.
Too bad, eh.
By the way, one of the mostunexpected surprises for me in

(02:11):
the last couple of years as faras hashtag pivots Brent Butt's
book Huge oh yeah, yeah.
It was an incredible crime noveland it was set in the world of
stand-up comedy.
But very little funny about it.
It was gruesome and grimy.

Speaker 3 (02:26):
You come out this year.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
I feel like it was two years ago now.
Cool yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
I'm a big fan.
I mean like I try as much aspossible to support Canadian TV.
Corner Guest, one of myfavorite shows.
Mr D, one of my favorite shows.
You know things like Kim'sConvenience, right, yeah?
Videos, um, you know thingslike kim's convenience, right,
yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
So I mean, yeah, I tried as much as possible to
really support canadian contentlike television and it honestly
it's legitimately funny people,you know, people shit on it, but
it's not, it's funny, it is itis also like such a weird
challenge at this particularmoment in our history where
you're trying to be all thingsto all people, we have fewer
networks here At this moment inour history where specificity is

(03:06):
actually cool.
The more specific your podcastis, the cooler that is.
There are 400 channels, andchannels for everybody.
So to find a show that appealsto everybody when the viewing is
so fractured more so than everbefore, is increasingly
impossible, especially in thismoment when networks are so risk
averse because they can't justroll the dice on something to

(03:29):
see if it works.
It almost has to pretty much bea guarantee.
The easiest way to do that is touse a road-tested, tried and
true talent.
So you get less like trailerpark boys, hail Marys out of
nowhere.
Letter Kenny is another greatexample, and that's that's often
when the coolest stuff happens,which is oh didn't see that

(03:49):
coming right.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
Do you think that letter, kenny, though uh was
able to happen because of thetrailer park boys?

Speaker 1 (03:54):
I feel like love in.
In a sense they're different butthey're not that different too
right I would say uh, uh,trailer park boys was probably a
case study, like a comp thatthey could use in the selling of
Letterkenny.
I think really what soldLetterkenny was two things.
One, jared Kiso's tenaciousness, because it wasn't the first

(04:17):
sort of web series he put outthere.
He had tried a few.
This one really stuck.
And I think the second thing isit helps when you go to bell
and say we have this idea for ashow.
Also, here's the 21 millionviews we have on youtube of our
two minute bit.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
Yeah, we've already downloaded it's doing great,
yeah, so yeah, that makes itmore so, that's that's what I
always say to the children likemake your thing the the um.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
Anyone can make something which is is terrible
and awesome.
For a whole bunch of reasons,yes, but generally speaking and
I learned this with Trailer Parkif it's good, it'll rise above
the din.
No one knew what Showcase wasand people found it.
It stopped people in theirtracks, yeah, and the same thing
happened with Letter KennyOnline.
It was like I don't evenunderstand what this is, but I

(05:02):
can't stop watching it.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
Yeah Well, Showcase was the channel for me for a
long part of my life.
Like I mean Kenny versus Spenny.
That was a Canadian show too.
Right, yeah, it was.
Yeah it was.
It was a great Canadian show.
It was a great one.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
I was thinking about those guys this morning.
That was, I feel like and I'vesaid this before the Canadian
shows traveled the most,ironically, are the most
distinctly Canadian ones.
Yeah, trailer Park Boys LetterKenny Kenny versus Spenny was so
ahead of its time.
Yeah, tom Green oh, my God, yes, was so ahead of his time.

(05:33):
He was a story producer onStreet Sense oh, was he?
That's where I first met him.
He was the Ottawa-based storyproducer for Street Sense and I
remember my mom lived in Ottawaat the time and producer for
Street Sense, and I remember mymom lived in Ottawa at the time
and I remember going to shoot astory there and he was like, do
you know what would be funny?
Is your mom throwing tomatoslices at you and you're wearing
a garbage?

Speaker 3 (05:50):
bag.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
And I can't remember what the story was about, like
spearmint gum or something likehad nothing to do with tomatoes,
but it was like early Tom Greenand then his show on cable,
obviously, and then his show oncomedy network and then cover
rolling stone like he just andthen when he left that world, he
almost started the podcastmedium.

Speaker 3 (06:08):
A lot of people have said that, like mark maron, joe
rogan, a lot of the very popularpodcasters have all credited
tom green starting the podcast.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
Well, his show was so rough and his talk show was so
rough.
It was very much like.
But then, when his show was,done.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
he started started in his LA basement his own talk
show and I watched, a bit likehe had Norm MacDonald on some of
my favorite comics.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
I remember thinking why would you ever want to?
Line your house with cameras,yeah, that was how long before
Big Brother it was bonkers butbrilliant.
I think his history will showjust how ahead of the curve he
was.
I remember the one thing, theone thing, the one thing I don't

(06:49):
think they let him air he had apiece of feces in a barbie bed
with googly eyes on it on hisdesk.
Um, you might have I don't knowif you would have seen the
sketch uh, with his grandmother,he, they were baking something
together and um, uh, she, hegave her a vibrator to use to
make the whipped cream and gother to taste the whipped cream.
And I think I remember askinghim like have you ever done
anything you regret?

Speaker 2 (07:10):
And he's like that's one I wish I could have back.
Oh, yeah, yeah, it must havebeen chaotic to be in a like a
work environment, like awriter's room or whatever, with
him.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
Yeah, he, I mean haven't seen him in years, uh,
but I always remember like hecame on jonah vision it was.
I don't know if you rememberthe night that he took a raccoon
in a suitcase on the mikebullard show he'd been carrying
it around for like several weeksand it was maggoty and it was
the only time mike ever stoppedthe show and mike got sick in
the alley.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
Yeah, rest in peace, mike man.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
It was great yeah I, I, I, as, as a performer, I
always think the pressure toevery time ratchet it up a
little higher must be.
That would turn my stomach inknots.
That's the thing aboutoperating on that plane.
Yeah is if the thing that youdo is less crazy than a maggoty

(08:01):
raccoon.
Like, how do you out maggotyraccoon?

Speaker 2 (08:05):
yourself every time Is that the question you ask
yourself?
Yeah, well.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
I was thinking about this this morning because, when
asked what do you do for aliving, I don't really know how
to answer.
And the funny thing about thismoment is people will say what
are you up to man?
Are you still at everything?
I've never been busier or morefulfilled or happier or had more
work in my industry.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
Well, you're doing a lot of behind the scenes now,
though.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
Yeah, I'm doing a lot of directing, a lot of writing.
We have this trailer company onthe side.
But I guess my point is I'venever been busier.
But because there are 400channels, people kind of aren't
necessarily as aware as theywere when there were three
channels and I was on every dayat five o'clock right.

Speaker 3 (08:55):
So I wanted I know we don't want to go over things
that have already been said inmedia a thousand times over, but
I got to do kind of just forour audience here today go back
to so street sense.
If you're listening, you don'tknow what street sense was.
It was a basically almost likea news magazine for teens or
young adults.
To for tv yeah, for tv on cbcfor almost a decade, wasn't it

(09:16):
more?
15, 15 yeah yeah, so so it was areally cool show.
Um, you were a teenager whenyou started that show.
Yeah, how did you go from beinga kid growing up in PEI to a
teenager?
Uh, you know, on this show,what was?
How did that happen?
It was a whole new thing.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
It was a brand new thing Total fluke Right place in
the right time.
I think people that had known memy whole life wouldn't be
surprised necessarily that Iended up doing something sort of
in the creative arts.
Um, I was going to st pat'shigh school in halifax.
Um did the musical there josephand the amazing technicolor
dreamcoat.

(09:52):
John nowlin, who was theproducer of this new show called
street sense, came to see themusical.
I had a big flashy role.
He called the school the nextday and said would that guy want
to audition for this?

Speaker 2 (10:02):
no way wow, like, imagine like you were in pei at
the time.
No, no, st pat's high, st pat'shigh okay yeah, yeah, cool yeah
because, even when you werejunior high, you moved over.
Is that when?

Speaker 1 (10:14):
you came to halifax when you're junior.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
Okay, wikipedia, you did your research before getting
here, a little bit of research.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
Yeah, so, but also like the, I guess like where cbc
was, almost, like you know,down the street at the time, it
would have been easy for them tojust go around scouting, if
they were looking for somethinglike this.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
Well, I think they did.
They auditioned a bunch ofpeople.
I actually didn't get the joboriginally Ended up kind of
being a correspondent or doing acouple of field pieces and then
was hired pretty early on inseason one.
But that was the crazy thing,like leave high school, go shoot
a national TV show, drop byhigh school again.

(10:52):
But Street Sense.
In retrospect even at the timeit was very, very cool for me
because got a whole bunch ofsurrogate parents there
discovered quite quickly this iswhat I love to do with my time.
I was really curious.
It was asking questions for aliving, which is still.

Speaker 3 (11:07):
Was there any regrets that you didn't get to do the
regular teenage life in, in asense, or were you just kind of
happy to be doing something thatyou loved?

Speaker 1 (11:13):
It.
It wasn't saved by the bellright.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
Like it was a, it was a consumer affairs show on the
public broadcaster on saturdaymorning.
So, rest assured, it was veryeasy to maintain a low.
I was gonna ask that, though.
I mean because I mean, like Imean I watched and remember
street sense.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
I mean I remember jonah vision as well you watch
that all the time it came on,then the simpsons would come on
right after exactly.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
Yeah, something that ever happened to them oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
But that being said, like you, yeah, like did you go
completely under the radar inhigh school?
Or people must have recognizedyou, or did anyone give you any
flack about it, or anything likethat.
I mean, you guys know highschool.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
The coolest people are the ones that drive
themselves there, and can getinto the liquor store.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
So it's not like CBC boy was the coolest handle.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
Fair Okay.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
You know, I remember there was a guy, andy, who had a
liquor id.
Now that was a cool status.
I remember another guy had hisown apartment.
You know, um, people that werekind of doing grade 12 for the
third time, they, they were kindof at the top, I don't, I don't
think it was unique to saintpat's.
I think that was just kind ofthat's a high school thing.

(12:22):
So in the pecking order, hostof a consumer fair show wasn't
at the top.
I think people will now say,yeah, it was pretty cool, you
know, yeah, but I was soabsorbed in soaking up every bit
of the experience I could,because you get picked up for
six episodes and it goes away.

(12:43):
I worked at Christopher's BeachClub in Cavendish in the summer,
hosted karaoke at the baracross the street and then would
go back.
We got picked up again, doanother season.
That would take me tillChristmas.
So it was never like you have a10-year gig on Street Sense
Right.
So it was always just waitingto hear do a bit of work, wait
to hear again.
That's very like.

(13:10):
Do you find that's very typicalthe industry in general or just
canadian industry, of like thefilm industry?
Um, I would say that's verytypical of the industry in
general.
It's very, very rare you wouldget a pickup for two seasons.
I mean it happens with somemarquee shows like law and order
.
Toronto, for example, got atwo-season pickup.
That's when people are buyingRange Rovers, yeah exactly.
That's when everyone's like,okay, I'm going to buy a set of
flats in Winnipeg, let's getrocking, but that's, it's

(13:34):
fleeting.
Yeah, it's fleeting.
It's very unlikely that a showgoes.
I mean, mr D was incredible.
I think it was eight seasons.
Yeah, and that's unheard ofAmazing show.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
It was a perfect cast .
I mean you and Jerry D, ofcourse, maestro Fresh West.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:51):
So many just people appeared in that show.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
Yeah, super funny, bette McDonald obviously.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
I was going to say I met Bette in a bar one time and
she was hilarious, like she hada few into her I had a few into
me and and I was like I know youfrom mr d, I love the show she
was like leaned right into it.
Her, yeah, she's fantastic.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
She's a doll and and she is the best kind of east
coast comedian because she'shumble and sneaky and doesn't
need to be the center ofattention or wouldn't be the
loudest person in the bar but,um, easily the funniest person
anywhere.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
Yeah, were there any years that you had outside?
And I mean I tried to see if Icould find this.
I couldn't find an answer forit, but were there years that
you had outside of like theentertainment industry entirely?
Did you kind of take asabbatical and do some carpentry
, anything?

Speaker 1 (14:39):
like that, or did you just kind of stick with?

Speaker 3 (14:41):
it the whole way through.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was it.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
I kept waiting for the arse to drop out of her.
Yeah, yeah, and it's been 30some years, so it's funny when
people say like, why did youchoose to do this?
Or then you made the choice todo that.
Nothing's ever been a choice,it's.
It's all been um hard work andhope and, uh, saying yes to most
things that come my way.

(15:05):
It's been a real luxury inrecent years to be pretty
selective about the things I sayyes to.
I've been doing this kind ofword of the year thing, last
year with Simplify, and thisyear it's no and Like.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
K-N-O-W.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
No, it's not that one , two letter one N and I
realized that, uh, I'm justtrying to be give my time the
same scrutiny I give money right, because at my age you spend
your time.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
It goes by really fast yeah, that's fair yeah well
, we appreciate your time today,because then we know your
business well, this was fun.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
Yeah, thanks, yeah.
Yeah think that was a good.
I think that was a good momentto say thanks, because I agree
time is something you're nevergonna get back right.
It's true, it's it's absolutefinite.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
Where you know money, you can always make more.
Yeah, so I it's true.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
well, my eldest daughter is going into grade 11
crazy.
So we have one more summer.
So I don't want to go to do anepisode of Heartland as a legal
aid lawyer and be gone for 15days in the summer.
Right, and it's not about moneyor there's no real credit that

(16:21):
I'm like oh man, that would beworth it.
Credit that I'm like oh man,that would be worth it.
The thing that I'm interestedin at this stage in my career is
creating new things, so newexperiences, new characters, new
memories, going to new places.
I don't want to retread orrevisit things I've done in the
past or go back to playingcertain characters.

(16:42):
I'm like ah, what else is there?
So I've been lucky enough toeither get to create new
characters or be offered newexperiences that are exciting,
but if it doesn't ring my bell,I'm not going to do it.

Speaker 3 (16:52):
Yeah, and then I got to ask about this trailer
business.
So this is kind of crazy.
So this is a little bit of adetour for you.
So how did you get into thebusiness of having movie
trailers and getting movietrailers in?

Speaker 1 (17:05):
my um, my friend, uh, when we were doing, mr d uh
provided all the trailers forthe show he wanted out of the
business.
Um, and it was at a momentwhere, uh, we are very
geographically disadvantagedhere, right?
if a production is going to comefrom la and they want to go to
Canada.
Vancouver is easy, easiest,toronto is easier, halifax is

(17:26):
harder, newfoundland's reallyhard.
So you need a couple of things.
One is an infrastructure andtwo is a really good tax credit.
So part of the infrastructureis having things like trailers,
soundstage, which we're workingon here now.
So I didn't want to see thesepieces sold off across the
country.
Uh, and I thought you know mycorner of the universe is so up

(17:48):
and down and so unpredictable.
It wouldn't hurt to havesomething that, like, doesn't
rely on my gorgiosityexclusively.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
So, uh, great word it's a new word, for the show
might be a new word.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
Yeah, tim houston didn't drop that word no.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
No, he didn't know about himself.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
Yeah, as mentioned, I can tease because we were both
fairview junior high alum thereyou go.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
So you went to yeah, you went to junior high sorry
with tim houston.
Yeah, that's cool I.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
I prefer to say he went to junior high with me
there you go.

Speaker 3 (18:15):
Were you older or younger than him?
I?

Speaker 1 (18:17):
remember I was trying to remember this I feel like I
might have been a grade ahead ofhim okay but I'll tell you he,
he is the same exact person.
Um.
Looks the same, talks the same,like.
I think he's a smart cat.
Yeah, um, articulate,well-spoken, I think he's um.

Speaker 3 (18:37):
It's a tough job for anybody it's a tough year for
tough year, tough yeah lots ofstuff going on.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
I appreciate his heart when things like wildfires
happen or atrocities.
I believe him.
But, man, as you know thediscourse in the world right now
, you say good morning andsomeone's like what about the
people that are having a badmorning?
So, in a job like a refereewhere on your first day in the

(19:05):
job 50% of the people hate you.
That's a tough road to hoe.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
It's a tough road, I mean, and sometimes it's just
simply because of the party healigns with right.
They don't stop and listen towhat he's saying and go.
Oh you know what.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
Actually, I probably would agree with this guy if I
just took the other colors outof my ears a little bit so I I
was, I was a largely uh, notreally a political person um
before 2015, yeah, so I boughtthis trailer trailer company
okay my wife, carol, is anaccountant by trade and much
smarter than me.
Um, she thought it seemed likerelatively low risk.

(19:42):
Um, although the film industrycan be volatile, as we found out
shortly after when the thenliberal government cut our tax
credit right so suddenly we hadthe infrastructure, but no
incentive to comehere.
Yeah and uh it.
It was really a lesson in umthe.
The sort of narrative they spunwas we can't afford to spend

(20:04):
money on the Hollywood filmindustry when there are more
important things like educationand healthcare and when the
average person hears that onpaper that makes total sense.
It's just the people, yeah,credit spend made it sound like
a handout and a giveaway versusbuilding an industry that then

(20:26):
those tax dollars that peopleare making for a living go to
fund education and healthcare.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
Yeah, and we had Aaron Hennessey on the show and
we talked a lot about, weexplored the spinoffs that
happen, like when a film show ormovie happens in a town like
Windsor, money gets spent therebusiness is open, business is
open up things like that, likewindsor is huge now like windsor
is growing in windsor, novascotia, because I mean a brewery

(20:53):
went in.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
Now everything else is great businesses in windsor
right now dude, we, we did ashow uh called pretty blind here
in truro.
Um, we shot for a month.
We spent $128,000 at theIn-On-Prince Hotel.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
Beautiful, there you go.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
Everyone got per diem that they spent every day at
restaurants in town Gas lumbercostumes, people going out for
drinks, people getting theirlaundry done Like it's all the
ancillary benefits of ourindustry, not to mention the way
it worked was big Hollywoodproductions are courted to come

(21:29):
here that train our people, whocan then make movies about our
own stories with these newskills and knowledge after
Hollywood pulls out of town.
Yeah, so the story that wasspun was we're sort of handing
out money by the bag to peoplefrom Hollywood and if I heard
that I would be incensed as well.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
Yeah, but as a business owner who just invested
in a bunch of trailers fromJerry D.
Yeah, now you're seeing theother side of it and it's kind
of just destroyed something thatyou thought was going to be
have a high success rate.

Speaker 1 (21:59):
Yes.
So I guess the reason I saythat is because to bring it back
to Tim Houston for a moment hehas championed our business in a
big, meaningful, did what hesaid he would, hasn't wavered on
it once, hasn't gone back on itway.
And then people are like whatabout the unhoused?
hasn't gone back on its way.
And then people are like whatabout the unhoused?
And the truth is those areequally important, very

(22:22):
different conversations and Ithink where it gets especially
complicated and I'm sure, as hewould know better than any of us
when you do one thing andpeople are like but what about
this?
They don't necessarilyintersect, it's every post.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
I see, politically it's like they do something and
then underneath it justcomplains about something else.
That's almost never.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
If we don't employ the film industry, they will be
unhoused.
So here's a prime example.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
This is unearthed.
We're unearthing somethingbrand new.
Let's go Breaking news Fridayafternoon, driving with my wife
and two daughters.
We are going to and this sortof speaks to, social media
keyboard cowboyism.
Why don't you type that to myface, which I think might be the

(23:07):
name of my next book?
That's awesome.
Why don't you type that to myface?
Go back to Trailer Park BoysJ-Rock, like what.
I wished my wife a happybirthday.
Why are you shouting at me,anyway, really.
Wow Well that's what people say,like it doesn't matter what I
say people will say somethinglike that.
So we're driving to Dartmouthfor my daughters to go to dance
camp.
We get off the ramp in Truro togo to Starbucks to get a drink

(23:30):
for the drive, waiting to getinto the roundabout, hear the
screech of tires, get rear-endedat high speed by a half-ton
Chevrolet Silverado Oof, okay,propels us into the Honda Civic
in front of us.
So it's Sandwich City.
Pretty scary for my children,yeah, long story, slightly
longer the driver.

(23:51):
She was inebriated and arrestedat the scene.
And also the license plate hadexpired in 2017.
And also it was not the licenseplate that belonged to the
vehicle when it was stolen threedays ago.
So there is a post on theFacebook that says like hey,
colchester Fire responded tothis.

(24:12):
Ehs people.
Thanks to the first respondersit becomes a conversation about
Problem is people don't know howto use roundabouts.
Oh geez, that's true.
Yes, it's not what happenedhere.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
No.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
And someone else is like were there people over 70
involved?

Speaker 2 (24:28):
Probably, so now it's a conversation about ageism and
driving Racism pops in Yep Ioften have that For sure Racism
pops in someone hit me and tookmy mirror off, and first
question someone asked me waswhat color were they?
Yeah, and I was like they werea white guy about 10 years older
than me.
Yeah, yeah, right like, uh,ageism.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
On the other end, I bet it was a teenager.
Yeah, uh, people don't know howto merge.
Um, that's why I moved out ofthe city.
To which someone responded thisdidn't happen in the city and
that became a side bicker Allthis to say I learned this from
my wife.
You don't have to say anything.
You don't have to comment onanything.

(25:09):
You're going by this like firstresponders did this, this thing
happened.
If you feel compelled to saysomething, all you have to say
is thank you.
First responders.
Glad no one was hurt exactlyhope they're okay honestly
that's it.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
Yeah, I guess that uh , now that uh bit that you did
for alberta, uh for theintoxication thing probably
means a lot more whoa mattbringing out the big guns, there
you go.

Speaker 3 (25:33):
Good one that was crazy.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
Yeah, he did a 30 minute bit for intoxicated
drivers for Alberta.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
So this was a crazy thing.
It was 2000 and something andthere was a teenage guy who on
his 18th birthday, which is thedrinking age in Alberta, went to
his friend's place in theafternoon, had, I think, two
beer, maybe three, was drivinghome into the sunset to drop his
car, get changed and go to thebar.
He hit a family in a crosswalkbecause he couldn't see because

(26:02):
of the sun and Mad wanted tomake the argument that being
impaired was just as bad asbeing drunk and people shouldn't
drive at all when they've hadanything to drink.
So they sort of made him theposter boy for even a couple
Terrible idea you shouldn'tdrive.
So this straight.
A student, great home, brightfuture makes a terrible choice.

(26:24):
There's a terrible outcome.
Shortly thereafter he goes toan Oilers game.
They randomly put him on theJumbotron.
Everyone boos because his facewas in the paper.
He drinks at the game, he getspulled over again.
So I forget if there were twoor three incidents in the space
of a couple months.
Anyway, he was in Grand CacheHigh Security Penitentiary as an

(26:48):
18-year-old boy and he was insolitary confinement 23 hours a
day because the time in thegeneral population was so rough
for him, because he was the onething you don't want to be in
jail, which is famous.
Anyway, we flew in afour-passenger Piper Saratoga to
Grand Cache, alberta, tointerview this kid for this
video.
Wow, and it was.
I've never smelled fear before.

(27:09):
This kid was just a tremblingleaf.
Crazy, see, you're unearthingguys.
Nice work.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
Nice unearthing guys, nice work nice unearthing.
Yeah, good job, did lots ofreading over the weekend, yeah
see I've been consoling chad gtptoo much this weekend.
That's my problem yeah, exactlytrying to restructure the show.
I don't know, I don't know, youever watched south park, yeah,
ish, okay, well, their newseason, a show just came out.
I just only telling you thisbecause it's funny, because I

(27:37):
think everybody's looking a bitat ChatGTP these days.
So, as I was looking at advicefor, like, our own program, you
know, what can we do to punchthings up, change things up and
make things different and better?
They have the main characternow, the old guy that's on the
firm.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
Randy or whatever.
He owns a cannabis firm.

Speaker 3 (27:53):
Yeah, he's using ChatGTP had.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
he's putting all these stupid ideas into the
phone, and every idea he puts inthat the the chat gtp
girlfriend tells him he'sabsolutely brilliant and then he
executes.
Oh, that's so dangerous hearingyou're brilliant all the time?

Speaker 3 (28:08):
yeah, because I mean that's something that's
happening with this.
This type of technology now isit?

Speaker 1 (28:13):
it tells you great ideas, yes, are there complaints
about the structure of yourshow?

Speaker 3 (28:18):
No, not really.
Is there any reason in?

Speaker 1 (28:19):
particular, you want to change it up.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
Not in particular.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
I mean sometimes people say that's a deep
question with his psyche, howmuch?
Time.
Do you got John?

Speaker 3 (28:29):
Well.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
I asked this because I saw an article this morning
that had something to do withthe fact that likeald's is
rebranding and all these fastfood restaurants are rebranding
cracker, barrel, taco bell yeah,and it said they're.
They're trying to change thelipstick on the pig, but the
problem is the pig isn't workinganymore.
The problem is the pig, not theshade of the lipstick so you're

(28:51):
calling us pigs, not suggesting.

Speaker 3 (28:52):
That's what's happening here.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
Well, man, I tell you , this is wondering are you?
Addressing a problem orcreating one.

Speaker 3 (28:57):
You know, I'm just trying to keep the engagement
high on the show and keep thingskind of popping and interesting
, making sure people listen tothe whole show, yeah, so I'm
just kind of spitballing andlooking at, I look at the
analytics and I've had a fewcomments that Pat and I talk too
much.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
Really.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
On our own show.
So I'm like, okay, that's cool.
Well, how can we make that morepalatable and make sure that
we're not over-talking?

Speaker 1 (29:20):
I'm guessing this episode won't fall victim to
that.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
I shot a fair bit.
That's good, it might.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
Who knows?
We're only halfway through.
Yeah, exactly, and you knowwhat it's.
Adhd is strong within us.
Yeah Well, we both have it.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so, yeah.
So we were ADHD squared, whichis maybe what we should call the
show right?

Speaker 1 (29:37):
One of the things I like about this medium, though,
because in a hashtag emojiuniverse, it's one of the last
places for a long-formconversation.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
Yes.
And wait what do you mean bythat, or can you expand on that
a little bit?
Yeah, I think that's even, andI think that's a big part of why
Tim houston liked to come onthe show, because everyone's
waiting for him to say somethingwrong and you know you have to
keep answers short and quickbecause you only have so much
time, I think, and he couldactually sit down and get really
nuanced in some of his answers.

(30:06):
Yeah, and that's what I thinkhe liked about it.
Uh, we were.
He knew we were on out to gethim yeah right and uh, it was
just like just tell us what youthink about these things.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
I remember seeing Obama at the Metro Center.

Speaker 3 (30:18):
Did either of you go.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
No, I didn't get a chance to go.
I would have liked to have gone, he was saying.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
The thing about a job like being president of the
United States is, by the time aproblem gets to you, if you have
the right team, a lot of realsmart people have taken a whack
at it.
So the things that make it toyour desk are the 49-51 things
Right, and there are argumentsfor both and you just kind of
use the best information youhave to make the best decision

(30:45):
you can in the moment and don'tsweat it.
Yeah, the challenge and I thinkabout this a lot is, once new
information becomes available,the tendency is to beat yourself
up for making the wrongdecision Absolutely when in fact
, you didn't know.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
Yeah, steve, that's deep.

Speaker 3 (31:06):
I'm lost now, where were we?
I?

Speaker 2 (31:07):
don't know there was something that's been stuck in
my brain because he mentionedsomething and I want to go back
to it.
I wanted to ask because nowyou're very much in, I feel you
may feel differently, but I feelnow just, you're really much in
the driver's seat for a lot ofthe things, because you're
saying no to things and all that.
You're in the driver's seat ofwhat you want to do, the things
you want to create, the newcharacters that you want to

(31:29):
develop.
Is there and you mentionedtalking about local stories and
trying to make sure that wepeople here get to tell our
story um, is there a story thatyou and you may not even want to
tell us this because it mightbe in your, you know, reserve
for something, but is there astory that you would really want
to tell and a character thatyou may want to really develop
that you have kind of just?

Speaker 1 (31:49):
yeah, I really want to nail that I haven't been
number one on the call sheet ina sitcom.
Ah I like being the supportingcharacter.
Yeah, I like being the oh man.
When's that character comingback on?
Yeah, just philosophically,there's less heavy lifting.
Typically the main character issort of the most normal one and

(32:13):
they're the audience's portalinto this crazy universe.
Right, jerry's normal.
Yes, they can't all beKramerramer or that would grow
tiresome, right?
Um, so I I have a half-bakednotion that I'm developing.
Um, I was looking at, uh, sonof a critch, for example.
Yeah, and I imagine how funthat is for mark to do something
that is of his place, about hispeople honoring his dad.

(32:38):
So not to say I'm doing theWonder Years meet, son of a
Critch.
But I have this notion that issort of born out of my childhood
and my heritage.
That is giving me oxygen.
I think, it's a sort of asetting that we haven't seen

(32:58):
much, but more so, I think, astory that is again hard to make
, something that people that ofall different walks of life, of
all different ages andbackgrounds would tap into.
So you have to find itsomething that both has
universal themes but is alsospecific enough like yellowstone

(33:20):
.
Yeah, taylor lived that life.
You can tell by watching thatshow.
You couldn't I couldn't writethat show right so I.
I think the the missingingredient in um the difference
between a good show and a greatshow is I am writing this
because I know this world, yeah,and I think that's what you try
to find that can make a hugedifference.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
I actually just saw an interview with Elle Jones
just a couple days ago and shetalked about because they had
Washington Black that was foundhere and they were talking to
her specifically about you knowher thoughts behind it and
opinions and things like that,and she had some really good
things to say about it.
But then also the same thingabout some of the inaccuracies

(34:04):
and some of the inconsistencies.
Like she was saying how theydidn't hire, like the leads
weren't from here so they didn'thave here accents.
Right, they had accents fromAmerica and you know they missed
some of the stories and theymissed some of the details that
someone who's lived it knows itwouldn't get.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
I've learned a lot in the last couple of years.
Last few of the shows that I'vemade have involved people from
communities.
We haven't seen much on TV, notto suggest we haven't seen many
black people on TV, but blackNova Scotians, for example, 100%
.

Speaker 3 (34:41):
And I thought it was great you did that show.
Yeah, 360.

Speaker 1 (34:43):
Driving Academies yeah, it was great, it was funny
, learned a lot, yeah, and oneof the things that I learned is
that black women have a specifictype of hair that only black
women should be working on Right, only black women should be
working on right.
And when you say it out loud itsounds so obvious.
But to uh see the comfort levelgo up when the black performers

(35:04):
were greeted by a blackhairstylist so it's like okay,
good, yes someone who speaks mylanguage and as obvious as it
sounds, uh, having black crewmembers on a show uh made by and
for a black audience is areally critical piece of the
equation as well.

(35:24):
The challenge is something thescale of Washington Black, which
was a global opus, just findinga big enough, seasoned enough,
experienced enough crew toexecute something like that In a
place like here and I run intothis all the time trying to make
sure there are lots of diversecasting options.

(35:46):
The truth is, the acting poolisn't super deep here.
The experienced acting pool iseven more shallow.
The diverse acting pool is evenmore shallow.
So we're doing what we can,what we can.
It's getting getting better, Ithink.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
um but yeah, we've explored this a little bit with
aaron too.
Like I think some of the bigpart of it is is that you, if
you don't have consistent workhere, then it's hard to be a
full-time actor, and if it'shard to be a full-time actor,
it's hard for people to keepacting because they have to get
a job.
Yeah for actor.
And if it's hard to be afull-time actor, it's hard for
people to keep acting becausethey have to get a job.
Yeah for sure, right?
So, like you know, there's somethings I'd like to do.

(36:22):
I'm not, I don't want to be anactor necessarily, but there's
some things I'd like to explore.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
But it's also like I have to take a day off from my
to overstate it, but I thinkwe're still feeling some of the
ripples of the taxident of 2015,because some people left and
never came back.
That's right, yes, but also ashow like Sullivan's Crossing
comes along.
It's the first season Peoplecast strategically and then if
you used someone as conveniencestore employee in season one,

(36:54):
never expecting it would go fourseasons, right.
Then suddenly you've burnedthat character or person and you
can't bring them back, right.
So, uh, in a, in a place with arelatively small acting
community, that's one of thechallenges, yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
Yeah, I, that's the thing, and I mean I understand
like the whole unionized thingso that you're working Monday to
Friday in most cases, exceptfor some exceptions no weekends.
No weekends.
Weekends, I think, wouldprobably open some things up,
because I'm sure I'd come up fora Saturday kind of thing, right
, yeah, yeah, I think you get alot more people.

Speaker 3 (37:24):
Oh, that's interesting.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
Yeah, saturday, sunday, if it was a Saturday,
sunday thing, I'd come out anddo something.
If someone was like hey, orwhatever, it was right.

Speaker 3 (37:33):
Yeah, me too.
I'd go, no problem It'd be afun way to spend a Saturday
right Like what the heck, whynot?
Well, now that you guys havesaid it, we're shooting.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
Zero to Sixty, season 2 in November.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
Yeah, come out and be background.
There you go.
I'd love to.
Oh, 100%, yeah, that'd be great.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
Yeah, yeah, and how?
So Pretty Blind is ourhalf-hour sitcom site-com
starring a woman with low visionand albinism.
Her name is Jenny Bovard andshe lives in Halifax and she's a
marathon runner, craft beerenthusiast.
Oh wow, cheers to that, can you?

Speaker 3 (38:09):
invite her on the show.
Tell her she should come on.
We'd love to talk to her.
Honestly.
You should have her on.
Yeah, 100%.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
Just forgive me seeing the world through her
eyes, all these things thatwell-intended but misguided
people do, and this seems to bea recurring theme in the
disability community.
Most people have the best ofintentions.
I've worked with you know he'llbe making his way up the hill

(38:35):
by the ale house, yes, andsomeone will come up behind him
and grab his chair and like, oh,here you go, bud.
Start running him up the hill.
Like, what are you doing?
Right, the chair is sort of anextension of my body and you
should ask for permission totouch me 100%, yeah.
Another frustration I know heencountered is in a hilly city
like Halifax.
You get to the top of the hilland there's a sign that says

(38:57):
sidewalk closed.
Please use other side, so youcan either wheel back down or
try to bunny hop across themiddle of the road on a hill.
Just common sense stuff thatthe Bryans and Jennys of the
world are very patient inhelping those of us that don't
move through the world that waykind of understand Something

(39:21):
interesting to me about thatprogram in particular was on AMI
.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:25):
Right, and I mean, you know, maybe some folks here
listening don't know what AMI is.
Do you want to kind of givethem an idea what that is?

Speaker 1 (39:31):
Yeah, it's called Accessible Media Inc and most of
the programming is either madeby, certainly made for people
living with disabilities.
I mean that is also a verybroad swath of humanity,
includes mental healthchallenges and physical ones as
well.
Jenny was the perfect way toonboard into that realm because

(39:58):
she doesn't take herself tooseriously.
She has a wonderful sense ofhumor.
My friend, mark Forward, agreedto come be the showrunner and
he decided very early on that.
We don't want the sightedpeople to all be the punchlines.
It's not like oh you idiotvisual people just being dumb

(40:18):
all the time, cause that couldgrow old Right and that's true,
uh, jenny, uh, really wantedpeople to know that life for her
is like life for most of us.
She has a bad boss and uh yeah,just got out of a relationship
and like it.
It's kind of the same asdifferent as it is, and that's

(40:39):
something that we should alsothink about.
Being visually impaired is nothow she self-identifies.
There are so many other waysthat she identifies.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
It's interesting you say that because we had a past
guest here and I've been kind oftalking through some of he has
some ideas about what he wantsto kind of move forward with,
and he does.
He's been doing some speakinggigs since.
He's been on our podcast, uh,mostly regarding the fact that
he's a part of the lgbtq plusand that's not how he wants to
really be identified.
Not that he's not a part of it,he is, but he, that's not what

(41:10):
he wants his like shtick to be.
He wants to be a guy who'stalking about starting over and
he wants to use his story totalk to maybe even immigrants,
people who are moving here.
Right, who knows better thanstarting over than someone who's
left their home and moved here?
And he's like I'd rather talkabout that, even though he was
you know, he was a gay man whogot divorced and had to sell

(41:33):
their home and, like, after 25years of relationship, had to
start all over again, puteverything in five bins, and
that's what he bases like wholespeech on and everyone keeps
booking him for lgbtq stuff andhe's like but I want to talk
about starting over right so it.
It was like that was a thing tome that kind of helped click in
my brain.
That was kind of like yeah,like why can't he, why does he

(41:54):
have to be that guy?

Speaker 1 (41:55):
right, I worked in the writer's room on an early
iteration of the show that's nowNorth of North, which I don't
know if you've seen it.
It was shot in Baffin.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
Island Cool show, so cool.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
And Norm Hiscock, who worked on the Office and Parks
and Rec, was the showrunner onthat show and Stacey and Lethea
from Iqaluit were the creatorsof the show and they're
hilarious and razor sharp and itwas an interesting discussion
because I've been lucky enoughto travel through the North a

(42:24):
whole bunch and it's incredible.
It's the best and worst of theSouth and it's its own entirely
unique thing.
There are people there that areon the run from things.
There are people there thatwould never see themselves
leaving.
It's the coolest.
And the more remote you go, themore special and unique it is.
So I thought what a coolopportunity to show 24 hour

(42:50):
daylight and how the schooldoesn't have windows, because in
the winter it's 24 hourdarkness and kids will get
sleepy at sitting at their desksLike all this crazy.
Never thought of that.
That's so cool.
They were like yeah, but wealso want to show that we watch
the office, right right.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
So I was like that's so cool, it's so different.
The same media.

Speaker 1 (43:07):
Yeah, she's like yeah , but also, we're the exact same
yes um, one of the things thatis is unique uh, about a callow,
for example is you get acertain amount of internet per
month and if you run out on the25th, then everyone starts
staying at work later, as thelast days of the month evaporate
, because you want to be able tohave more internet and stream

(43:29):
shows at work.
That's such a cool little,unique thing.
But I guess I was like let'sshow how different it is, and
they were like let's show howthe same it is, and I think both
things are right and I feellike the show does that.
But I guess if the LGBTQ plusis the thing that gets him in

(43:52):
the door, then, he can make hismessage whatever he wants.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
That's what he's trying to do.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
So that's what he's trying to do, yeah, yeah, so all
that that's yeah interesting.
I kind of like that.
You know, we kind of reallywent down the whole telling of
stories and stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
I don't know if you want to change.
I just want to ask one of thosereally boring.
You know everybody asked herfour questions.

Speaker 1 (44:09):
Libra ready, let's go it's libra season, that's right
, right, which is yeah, yeah, isthat, are you a libra?

Speaker 3 (44:18):
yeah okay, very cool.
Yeah, I was gonna ask that, butthat's great.
Who are your birthday buddies?

Speaker 1 (44:22):
mine are sting, gandhi and kelly rippa.
I have no idea.
Gene rodman no, I don't know,that's yours, yeah, or you were
guessing his, because I've no,no, mine, that's mine, gene
rodman you don't know, no, andthat's born in november.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
Dude and november.
What 20th can we?
Can we please look it up?
Does anyone have the internet?
Gene Rodman, you don't know, no, and that's born in November.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
Dude, november, what 20th?
Can we please look it up?
I have no idea it's probablysomebody terrible now.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
We can do it here.
Does anyone have the?

Speaker 1 (44:45):
internet Famous.
Ask your question while helooks it up.
This is the host in me wantingto be economical, so, actor or
director, like if you could justpick one to do.

Speaker 3 (44:53):
What do you enjoy more?
What fulfills you more?

Speaker 1 (44:57):
There are very few acting opportunities that come
my way that give me oxygen.
Yeah, I really like directingbecause I like seeing the
process through the eyes ofpeople that haven't done it much
.
I like I think it's words arekind of like music.
I like I feel like I can hearwhen someone hits a clam and try

(45:18):
to calibrate it and fix it.
I like, uh, my my sort ofapproach to life is improv, so I
like to um, fix jokes and trydifferent things and make it up
as I go.
Um, but there are, like I don'tknow, I I genuinely think, um,
I'm not the best at anything,but I'm okay at many things, so

(45:42):
I genuinely feel like I'm not agood enough actor to be on
Sullivan's Crossing.
Okay, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (45:51):
I probably could.
I'm sure you could too, yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
But I don't.
I know I could think of.
I'm actually pretty famous fordoing that.
When someone will call and sayare you interested in this?
I'd be like you know who shoulddo that.
Is this guy.
Do you know this person?
There's this person.
I like to help cast things.
That's awesome.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
So I found three people Birthday buddies.
Who are they?

Speaker 3 (46:13):
people birthday buddies, birthday buddies.
So first one.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
First one I'm throwing out is canadian, sir
wilford laurier.
There you go, there you go.
Five dollar bill, right, yougot it, you got that.
Okay, number two joe bidenthere you go joe biden's a good
guy.
I like him.
And the third one is one isjust a guy I think is funny and
I like, and that's joel mckaleokay, I like him.

Speaker 3 (46:31):
Yeah, decent.
Yeah, that's not so badaudition for that show.
The soup I was afraid did you.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
You would have been great for that show, the Soup.
I was afraid Did you.
Yeah, you would have been greatfor that.
Well, I auditioned a few times,you should have been also on.
Community, I guess.
I'm sort of McHale-ian in aMaybe.
Yeah, I mean, there's a wholesix seasons in a movie.

(46:53):
Maybe you can be in the movie.
There you go.
Yeah, I did.
I, joe Schmo.
Five seasons of Jonovision wentdown to LA and Schmo was the
first gig that I booked there.
I was such a fan of the firstseason of that show Kristen Wiig
was on it.
If you saw Jury Duty, yeah yeah, yeah, joe Schmo was kind of
the show before Jury Duty.

Speaker 3 (47:11):
I know I watched both .
I can't remember Joe Schmo.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
Rhett.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
Reese, rhett, reese, rhett, reese from Deadpool.
Okay, the guy who createdwhatever, yeah, deadpool, yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
And they did a Zombieland.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
Yeah, zombieland, zombieland.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
That's fantastic, and their arguably greatest
achievement, which you canprobably find a Giant Tiger DVD
discount $2 bin, if they havesuch a thing, or on the dark web
.
So first season of Joe Schmo.
A show like this had never beendone before.
If you didn't see it,everybody's an actor, except one

(47:54):
guy who doesn't know thateverybody's an actor Just like
Jerry Doody.
Yeah, and the first season wassort of based on a Big Brother
style reality show, other stylereality show, and this
sweetheart of a man, mattKennedy Gould, was put through
the scripted comedy ringer,unbeknownst to him, and handed a
giant check and was like whatWell, I'm sorry if I misled you

(48:18):
guys in any way Like it wastuned in for this, like
tomfoolery, and it ended upbeing this glorious moment of
humanity and kindness and it wasawesome.
The second season, the one Iwas in, was more based on the
Bachelor, and what no one couldhave anticipated is our mark
actually fell for the actressplaying.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
The.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
Bachelorette, which made for a really unfunny kind
of sad kind of cringetasticfinale.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
And he played the.
Maybe he was gay guy orsomething like that.
Yeah, geralt, yes.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
And all Canadians were like dude, that's Buddy
from Street Sense.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
How did they not recognize?

Speaker 3 (48:59):
him.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
Which speaks volumes.

Speaker 3 (49:01):
There was a couple of guys in that newer one, the
jury duty that I recognizedright off the gate.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
Yeah, Lisa Gilroy.
Yeah, and the guy that was inParks and Rec all the time?
Yeah, the guy with the mustachein Parks and Rec.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
Well, John Huertas from Joe Schmoe 2, my roommate
on the show in Blood and RealLife, played Miguel on.
This Is Us If you watch thatshow?

Speaker 2 (49:25):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was a great show.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
So, anyway, after two seasons of Schmo, the third
show they did instead of doingJoe Schmo 3, was called Invasion
Iowa.
You mentioned Gene Roddenberry.
Yeah, do you know this?
I don't know this.
So they took William Shatnerand an entourage of actors
playing his entourage to thetown in Iowa that was

(49:49):
purportedly the birthplace ofJames T Kirk, and they punked
the entire town into thinkingthey were there to make a movie
like a science fiction movie.
So they enlisted the help of allthe local farmers and people to
be extras in the show work onthe crew and they sold
promotional items called shats.
So everyone in the town iswalking around with shats on, oh

(50:12):
, my God, and no one ever saw it.
I never saw that show.

Speaker 3 (50:17):
It's the unicorn of.
That never came out on TV, orwhat I feel like it did.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
So here's what I think happened.
The first season of Schmo wason when, like the man show like
Spike TV.
Machismo, turbo, alpha, malestuff.
Then I think there was a newnetwork head that came in midway
through our season and he justburned the last five episodes of
our season in a marathon.

(50:44):
So I don't know if InvasionIowa was like.
They aired it on a Saturdayafternoon, or it aired somewhere
else, or it was straight to DVDor I can't remember what
happened with it.

Speaker 3 (50:52):
I'm sure you should be able to find that man if you
wanted to find it.
That sounds like something Iwant to see actually.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
I legit tried to find his documentary about the
Alberta alcohol thing.

Speaker 3 (51:03):
Did you?

Speaker 2 (51:03):
I legit tried to find it.
I looked everywhere.

Speaker 3 (51:05):
Do you know why I?
Couldn't find it.
I was in a Crime Stoppers ad,not as bad as you.
It was like my only actingdebut.
I smoked cigarettes illegalcigarettes and I got in trouble.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
Were you the perp?
Yeah, he was trying to sellthem in the hotel or the
apartment.
I was watching TV oh, I've beendoing it on this commercial.
When was that.

Speaker 3 (51:22):
Oh, it was like 10 years ago, maybe more than that,
probably.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
More years.

Speaker 3 (51:26):
Yeah, but then it ended up being on TV every
hockey game for like four yearson freaking CBC.
Honestly, dude, it was probablylike 15 years ago, but you got
lots of royalties for it right,no, no.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
That's actually.
People say, like, why doesn'tCBC put Jonavision out?
The challenge is because, one,just because the show was a
hybrid, which most of the thingsI've done in my career have
been, yeah, because there weresome sketches that were ACTRA
and actors.
They'd have to repay everybodyto put those out, right?

Speaker 3 (51:52):
Which I'm kind of thankful for.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
Because I think something's mythology probably
grows a little bit in itsabsence.

Speaker 3 (52:00):
Yeah, that's true Because you know, I mean, has
there ever been anything done?
There might be this out now.
Has there been a documentarythat kind of went through what
that show was, to just kind ofexplain it, Because I think it's
an interesting thing,Jonavision, Like I think in
itself.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
It's funny you should say that.

Speaker 3 (52:14):
It was interesting.
It was like we can't get teenswatching the news.
What are?

Speaker 1 (52:19):
we going to do?
And then they.
It's funny you should say thatbecause obviously there's been a
Mr Dress Up one, there's aSharon Lewis and Bram one on the
way, there's a Degrassi one atTIFF this year, so the idea sort
of bubbled to the surfacerecently.
My first instinct is who wouldwatch that?
And even I've toyed with theidea of doing a podcast where
I'm like going to track down theguests that were on episodes

(52:42):
and say this Trevor put 100 livecrickets down his pants.
Where?

Speaker 3 (52:48):
is he now?
Was it worth the 50 bucks, Igot to 1,000.
Are you glad you did it?
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
But, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
It'd be interesting for me and Cricket Guy.
Does anyone else really care,whatever happened to Cricket Guy
.

Speaker 3 (52:59):
I think you'd be surprised.
I think you would be, surprisedIf you made a documentary it.
I think you would be surprisedIf you made a documentary.
It sewed some of that into itwhile talking about the show and
that kind of.
It's just a weird time inhistory, right, you know.
You think of where we're at now.
Everybody gets theirinformation from TikTok and
there's no real.
Like there's no executivesright now, how can we get
children watching more news?

Speaker 1 (53:17):
Well, I know, or how can we get them more educated?
Cbc took a whack at a StreetSense reboot on TikTok.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
Yeah, he took a whack at a Street.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
Sense reboot on TikTok.
Yeah, I saw that it's hard toget the kids to watch the
television.

Speaker 3 (53:28):
Are they paying any attention to it?
How's it doing?
I have no idea.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
No, Okay, yeah, yeah.
I mean it was probably theright angle, like trying to get
it on TikTok and stuff like that, because not many young people
are sitting down and watching TVright, people doing movies like
as if we were watching it onyour phone, like people are

(53:51):
filming TV shows and movies asif they know that people are
going to watch it on their phone.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
Vertical, yeah, vertical, exactly.
It's crazy, and and that's whatthe future is like.
But the thing that that I amexcited about is I can show my
girls, uh, home alone.
Is I can show my girls HomeAlone.
Ferris Bueller Honey, I Shrunkthe Kids Back to the Future
shows that very much look of atime and the aesthetics are

(54:15):
obviously very different.
They don't care If it's a goodstory, good characters, well
told, they're in.
I love that.
They're watching season nine ofReal Housewives of Beverly
Hills, and my wife and I walkedthis morning.
I was like do you know whatthough?
It's group dynamics, it's drama, it's escapism.

(54:37):
It's sort of figuring out how tonavigate a complex group of
people.
I'll buy that.
It's true 100%.
It's also funny.
I'll buy that.
It's true 100%, it's also funny, yeah.
So I am buoyed by the fact thata good story is still something
that can hook people in.

Speaker 3 (54:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
Yeah, no.

Speaker 3 (54:57):
I think how old are your daughters?
You got one that's almost inhigh school, 15 or 13.
Sorry, almost in university.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
I guess the reason I say that is because part of me
felt like we have become a setof hands opening a Kinder Egg
for 20 seconds, society, andthat's all the attention span we
have.

Speaker 3 (55:13):
Yeah, but do you think?

Speaker 1 (55:14):
like.
So it's encouraging to see theywill sit and watch a whole
movie.

Speaker 3 (55:16):
Yeah, so your kids will still do that.
Eh, they'll still watch a wholemovie, like I do find, like a
lot of Gracie's friends, they'renot interested in going to the
movies and stuff.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
How old?

Speaker 3 (55:23):
13.
Yeah, like same age but theyseem to have like a disinterest
in long form entertainment.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:30):
Like you know they would, or even TV shows, right.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
Well, I know, after the first chorus of most songs,
yeah, kids are like all right,what's?
Next.

Speaker 3 (55:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:40):
Most songs are two minutes and six seconds.
Now, that's crazy.

Speaker 3 (55:42):
Yeah, two minutes and six seconds now that's crazy.
Yeah, they cut them in half.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
Probably for that reason.
Meanwhile, I'm like stillwanting to listen to In a God of
the Vita Start to finish.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
Cheers to In a God of the Vita.
So that's 17 minutes, 17.01.

Speaker 3 (55:57):
Yeah, we're going to have to get to our 10 questions,
but you had something there,buddy.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
Oh no, You're taking questions, but I wasn't sure if
you wanted to, because there wasalso-.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
And then I have a caller.
I want to get to real quickCaller.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
Okay, yeah, caller.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
Oh no, it's Rhett Reese.
It's Rhett Reese, rhett Reese.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
I know you want to talk about the Canadianity.

Speaker 3 (56:21):
Oh, just I just thought it was really cool.
This book you didCanadianity,90 plus episodes or
something of your own podcast.
Yes, Right, so if you want tohear more John, skip over there.
Yeah, yeah, there's a lot ofthem.

Speaker 1 (56:32):
We don't put them out as much as we did.
I loved the immediacy ofgetting audience feedback and
response.
When you make a show like Mr D,it might come out six months
later, especially in this.
Like it used to work six monthson a series, 13 episodes it
would take 13 weeks for it toair.
Now it comes out Christmas Day.
People have been watched it by11 in the morning.

(56:54):
They're like when's the nextseason come out?
Right, so it takes a long timeto write something good and
execute it and edit it.
So I just like the immediacy.
I too, early on, felt a realpull to have structure and lists
and guests and games in orderand then it's when the wheels

(57:16):
came off the bus that ourlisteners were like I love that
moment when your mic cacked whenthe dog barked, when the
doorbell rang the Amazon guy andthen, strangely, because I've
worked in improv for a long timeJeremy, a musician was like
it's just jam, man, it's justjam.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
We had a musician on who had to go to use the
bathroom twice in the middle ofa podcast.
Oh wow, he just kept it in,kept it rolling yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
Yeah, but the idea of like, just let it ride, man,
and we'll see, because sometimeswhen you fly close to the sun
you get burned, but sometimesyou get a beautiful tan and it
could go either way.
And I think sometimes when itdoesn't work it makes the
moments that do work swing thatmuch harder.
So it's just kind of having theconfidence to sit in it and let

(58:06):
it sort of figure out what itis.
So the podcast has afforded methe opportunity to tour across
the country.
Never thought I'd get to dothat.
We wrote a book.
Never thought I'd get to dothat.
Sadly it came out in likeOctober of Canada 150.
So people were like enough withthe Canada already.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
Oh yeah, it was beat over the head.
Yeah yeah, it would have beengood to put up this year, right.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
It would have been good to put up this year.
It's gone a little resurgencethis year.
Yeah, a little sovereignty bump, yeah Right.

Speaker 3 (58:38):
I'm proud to say it's a bestseller, yeah, which in
Canada, I think it's we verymuch would like to take this
show on the road and we'd verymuch like to write a book.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
We got to put it in Manifest it.

Speaker 1 (58:52):
We're manifesting it.
First of all, you should tourbecause it's such a treat and
doing it in front of an audiencebrings such an energy and
enthusiasm that you will reallyenjoy.
And second of all, like this isthe genius, one of the genius
qualities of Rick Mercer hespends, however many years doing

(59:14):
Rick's rants on the Rick Mercerreport.
There's a book, yeah, like youpublish the rants, yeah.
You guys could publishtranscripts of 10 of your guests
, and there's your book.

Speaker 3 (59:24):
Well, yeah, so we, I got it like the 150 points gonna
be the book just, we've had alot of points with a lot of
people yeah, I'm not signing thewaiver.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
You can't use this.
No, no, no, you gotta dowaivers, but I'll write the
foreword.
How's that?
Oh, there you go, this isrecorded.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
Yeah, binding contract.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
We got a body and we got to make an album, which was
the craziest thing ever Cool,and Tim and Anthony from the
Arkells played on it.
Adam Baldwin played on it oh,cool, jeremy is obviously just a
world-class drummer.
Yeah, so I have loved it.
It's been great.

(01:00:00):
That's awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
Yeah, and just before we move on to 10 questions, I'm
going to give you a little bitof flowers here, because I am
such a huge fan of like.
I know that most peopleprobably run up to you and the
j-rock thing is probably the bigthing, but personally, chile is
my favorite character that youdo, thank you because I uh, you
know, obviously, jerry being thelead role and everything but

(01:00:22):
chile was my second favoritecharacter, I think.
think you were hilarious, butyou must like.
My wife loves your show.
She's a teacher.
You must get, like, I imagine,must get a lot of love from
teachers, because you guysnailed it, nailed it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
Well, I give Jerry in turn his flowers because I
remember him saying early on,and your wife would know for
sure, are there 750,000 teachersin Canada.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
Something like that the number was inconceivable.
There's 9,000-ish in NovaScotia, but it's like Ontario
really opens it up.
It's like I don't know thenumber, but it's Insane.
It's like 100,000 teachers orsomething like that.
Wow, Ontario alone.

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
Whatever that number is, I remember jerry saying if
this show is true to teachers,it'll be a hit, because if they
watch, there you go.
That's.
Those are incredible ratingsyeah and so he, uh, I learned a
lot from him.
Um, one was sometimes there'san urgency that drives making a
tv show.
We to go lunch in 20 minutes.
We got to move, we got to move.

(01:01:23):
He had the confidence and focusto say hang on, the scene's not
working, that joke's notlanding, it's a comedy show,
that's what we're here for.
Let's reshoot it or let's takea minute or let's rewrite it.
So it was really important tohim.
I think always that the show bevery true to teachers.

(01:01:45):
He and I were pretty rarely inthe same story.
I was often in the B story, hewas often in the A story, except
for when you went to Boston.
We had some great A storiestogether, yeah, yeah, a couple
of field trip kind of episodesand one in the woods.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
So yeah, it was important to him that it be true
to teachers for sure.
Yeah, I think it hit thatbecause my wife likes to, just
she's.
That's like, uh, throw on mr dto go to, you know, as I fade
off to sleep, type of thing, oranything.
Right, that's her show like I.
I'm gonna say something alittle entertainment that puts
people to sleep.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
That's exactly what we set out to do before we move
on from that flowers to teachersbecause I have a family member
who's a teacher, I have childrenwho are students to sometimes a
lack of parameters at home, toteaching, to eight different

(01:02:51):
learning levels in the sameclassroom, with not the
resources to have assistance inyour class, like, god bless
teachers.
And a general lethargy on thewave of this POCO, which is a
phrase I'm trying to get to takeoff for post-COVID universe
POCO, yeah, poco.
There is a general there is acollective shoulder shrug in the

(01:03:13):
world.

Speaker 3 (01:03:14):
Get in the transcripts.
Hashtag POCO yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
So you were going to ask them.
Oh yeah, you said you weregoing to go different directions
.

Speaker 3 (01:03:22):
You used the shit on them for something.
Oh yeah, yeah, totally Well.
So J-Rock, mr Cheely, sucked,and here's why Not quite.
J-rock was not my favoritecharacter at first, but I
appreciated his evolution as hecame on, Because when he came on
I grew up around a lot of guysthat like hip-hop music and I'm
like this is hitting a littletoo close to home, buddy.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
Right, what's so funny about it?
That's just Kenny from my mathclass right.

Speaker 3 (01:03:46):
What's so funny about it?
That's just penny from my mathclass.
I know that guy.
Right, I was like I don't thinkyou should make a pun of him
like that.
But then eventually he, as hestarted getting in to his more
entrepreneurial uh endeavors, Ithink uh, I'd give him his
flowers towards the end there.
He did a good job I.

Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
I think one of the things that cemented the
character for me was in theprequel um jay rock and t were
into grunge, so we sort ofestablished a history of this
guy paper dolling different popculture trends onto himself.
That's great on his quest todiscover a personality and self.

(01:04:19):
And I remember someone askingaround season four do you ever
feel sorry for j-rock?
And I swear to.
It had never occurred to methat you would.
And it's kind of the same withwith Cheely I've said before,
overconfident and underqualifiedto me are the.
That's the intersection of whatI personally find really funny.

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
And most of the characters that I've played have
that underneath.
Well, cheers to you, man.

Speaker 3 (01:04:44):
Thank you, so we're going to get into our 10
questions.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
Yeah, Awesome 10 questions.
Why don't you do, instead ofgoing back and forth, because
sometimes you lose track, whydon't you just do first five?
I'll do last five.
Sometimes I lose track we justchanged the format.
All right, we just did.

Speaker 3 (01:05:08):
Why don't we do a Jeopardy style, where I give is
yeah, okay, can I even read this?

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
you've been a teen tv host, an actor, a comedy legend
, a podcast entrepreneur and nowa creator of your own shows
pass.

Speaker 3 (01:05:13):
I get one pass right, it's five hundred dollars why
do you think you continue tomove around in so many different
areas?

Speaker 1 (01:05:20):
um, I think it's a couple of things.
Uh, is this like a speed roundsort?

Speaker 3 (01:05:23):
of format, whatever, as slow as you want, you can do
whatever you want.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
I think it's a couple of things.
One is, after being on streetsense for a few years, I applied
to Ryerson because I wanted tostudy doing this for a living.
The woman that I spoke to waslike just just do it, be nice,
learn people's names, be on time, say please and and thank you.
So I think I've been able towork a lot for those very
kindergarten rule, very basicreasons, and I think I've been

(01:05:50):
open to things that have come myway and as long as I don't have
a moral opposition, I've saidyes, good answer.
Improv as an approach to lifeyes, and.

Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
Your character, j-rock, is still quoted
everywhere.
When you hear people repeatthose lines a day, does it feel
like an old tattoo you can't getrid of or a legacy you're
grateful for?

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
Oh, the latter for sure.
Yeah, like who would have everimagined.
In 2000, when we were bringingCheez Whiz sandwiches from home
and sitting on Coleman coolersbetween takes in clothes, we got
at Value Village trying to makeeach other laugh.
Who would have ever imaginedwe'd be sitting here talking
about it today?
It continues to be bananas,however.

(01:06:32):
I I appreciate that.
However, as much as I enjoy uh,bumping into people who love
the show, I got a message justthis morning from a guy from
wales who's like man.
Uh just want to say what amasterclass in acting that
character was.
Love those messages they arevery meaningful.
However, I think one of thethings that has served me see

(01:06:53):
the previous question is turningthe page before people are sick
of the book.

Speaker 3 (01:06:58):
That's good, perfect.
Question three If your careerwas a pint glass, what is it
most filled with?

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
I thought you were going to say what size would it
be?

Speaker 3 (01:07:07):
I was going to have to say shot glass and then skulk
out of here.

Speaker 1 (01:07:11):
I don't even remember the end of the question.

Speaker 3 (01:07:13):
Pint glass.
Okay, what's your pint glass?
Filled with the most Luck,talent, hustle, timing or
timbits?

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
I'm going to tell you what.
My glass is sure half full.
There you go.
Oh, good answer.
That's my outlook foreverything optimistic.

Speaker 3 (01:07:32):
I don't know what's in it, but you don't know what's
in it yes, I, I can bright sideanything happy, mystery liquid.

Speaker 1 (01:07:37):
This place is on fire , which is great because I was
cold.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
Yeah, okay, I was taking that a different way, but
I also like that, I wasthinking you were saying like
half full, because you're onlyhalf done yet.

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
Oh no, let's be honest, I'm five, sixths of the
way done.

Speaker 3 (01:07:55):
Question number four for you have you ever said sorry
for something that you stilldon't feel you should have
apologized for?

Speaker 1 (01:08:03):
Yes, for sure, and this is an ongoing conversation
I have with, especially theyoung people I work with.
If I'm being honest, especiallyyoung women that I work with
there is a instinct I think,especially in this part of the
world, to say sorry for thingsthat don't require an apology,
and you shouldn't be sorry forsomething you had no way of

(01:08:23):
knowing.
No-transcript.

(01:08:49):
That might be why it's high onmy radar of things that I try to
help people work through, notdo.

Speaker 3 (01:08:55):
Awesome, One second forgot my face.

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
Question number five.

Speaker 3 (01:08:58):
Question number five what show or movie that you
watched growing up?

Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
this is not something you've been a part of, but
something you just absorbed as akid or teen, or even now, that
you'd love a chance to remake orcreate a sequel to infinite
budget any, any project or thingyou ever saw that influenced
you well, when you said whatshow when you were growing up,
immediately kids in the hallpopped into my head because I

(01:09:23):
thought it was going to beinfluenced you the most, or uh,
it's interesting, that was thefirst show I saw that.
I was like that those are mypeople, that's my language, I
understand what they're sayingand I thought it was made just
for me.
I don't know that you couldever recreate it.
It was of a time and it waslightning in a bottle.
So, uh, what remake couldactually work?

Speaker 3 (01:09:43):
beachcombers there you go great, great pick yeah,
question number six.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
This is a very deep and philosophical question.
Okay, who would win in a fight,j-rock or chili?

Speaker 1 (01:09:56):
chili would fight dirty chili would fight dirty.
He'd probably be slappy andlike hair pulley and like bird
kicky.
Um, so I I would say chilisurprisingly I know I'm with it
and j-rock's pants are so lowlike he probably couldn't move
very fast.
Kick yeah and he talks a biggame.

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
It's true yeah, question number seven.
So, uh, we established you wentto saint Pat's High.
So if you had 100% control overwhat gets built on that site
because it's been sitting empty,what would you choose?

Speaker 1 (01:10:33):
Hmm, Like a street sense museum my own enjoyment,
because I sort of tie those twothings together.
Like my universe was CBC onBell Road, freeman's McDonald's
on Quinnpool, st Pat's Like mywhole childhood is just
imploding geographically becausenone of those places is there

(01:10:56):
anymore.
Freeman's is Freeman's yep, Imean.
There are so many answers, fromserious to comedic.
The serious one would be awhole bunch of affordable
housing.
That would be great, yeah, andobviously a challenge in Halifax
right now.
I think the city is having realgrowing pains.
It's a peninsula.
There are no new arteries oravenues into it.

(01:11:20):
I read a very compelling postby my friend, a TV producer
named John Wesley.

Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
Chisholm, this morning I saw it.
About the sheer volume of carsand how the math doesn't math.

Speaker 1 (01:11:31):
And I've been thinking that the last few times
I've been in Halifax, asexciting as growth is, I've been
thinking the city doesn't workright now it doesn't work.
I agree with that, yeah, whichis a shame, and it will again
and it has before, but at thismoment it's too much.
So, yeah, I guess that's theearnest answer.

(01:11:55):
It's a good answer.

Speaker 2 (01:11:57):
Really good answer, all right.
Question number eight.
So being quote unquote knowncomes with some negative
consequences.
What is something that you wishfans or the public wouldn't do?

Speaker 1 (01:12:07):
Oh, I love this question.
When I started, people mightsay you're on Street Sense.
Yeah, my Uncle Danny was onthat show.
Oh, really, yeah, he did anillegal curve and hockey stick
story.

Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
Oh no, from Glace Bay .

Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
Yeah cool, what's he up to Well, actually he just
started going to MUN Interestingconnected.
We've exchanged information.
We've had a moment now the theexchange is very transactional.
It's your j-rock right phonesout cameras, up selfie time so I
understand it's part of the job, it's it's not taxing, it's not

(01:12:41):
complicated.
Um, if the picture is low anglewith a flash when I'm coming
out of Sobeys in the winter andit's dark, the picture is not
flattering and people are likeJ-Rock let himself go.
If I say no, they're like youknow who I met?
Who's a dick.
I always say you start in thisjob at a dick deficit.
People assume you're one.
So to get to you know who's notbad requires a certain amount

(01:13:05):
of energy to get to you know itwas a great guy.
You practically have to givesomeone a deed for a piece of
land.
So I, I personally I enjoymeeting people.
I wish the interaction was alittle more tethered to an
exchange, right?
So I Authenticity.
Yeah, I enjoy a message that'slike like my aunt taught you in

(01:13:28):
junior high no way, what's sheup to?
Yeah, versus you're that guy Iget.
I get nothing from that.
Although I recognize I alwayssay people take half an hour a
week to watch the show, I cantake 10 seconds to say thank you
.
It's just part of the job.

Speaker 2 (01:13:43):
Fair enough.
10 seconds adds up quick,though Yep, when it's thousands
of them right.

Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
Well, and my life by design has very little to do
with what I do, so we live inthe quiet and visit the noise.

Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
That's awesome.
So question number nine so youwere on Joe Schmo, so created by
Rhett, yeah so, who also wroteDeadpool.
So if you were asked to appearin a deadpool movie, what
obscure power would you pick?

Speaker 1 (01:14:12):
hmm, I would want to be able to guess the key of any
song on the radio.

Speaker 3 (01:14:19):
Okay, could you imagine being with that guy in
the time of need?
He'd be like A minor.

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
So mad.
Yes, nice, kendrick Lamar ohyeah, kendrick Lamar, a minor,
yeah, yeah, a bunch of them.

Speaker 1 (01:14:34):
Can you imagine how soul crushing it must have been
to hear the entire?
Super Bowl audience, who isarguably not entirely Kendrick's
audience, but everybody knowsthat.
Yeah, I actually.
I couldn't believe he wasallowed to do that song.
Given the subject matter, Icouldn't believe the crowd that
was there knew it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:54):
I couldn't believe like the whole thing started.
Drake didn't even really dissthe guy, he just said he was in
the top three with Kendrick andKendrick wrote that song.
I know.
It's like whoa that's a weirdresponse.

Speaker 1 (01:15:05):
I know Pretty aggressive, I know You're having
a thumb war that becomes a slapfight.

Speaker 3 (01:15:10):
You're like.

Speaker 1 (01:15:11):
I didn't know those were the rules Fair enough?

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
So question number 10 , this is the question that
we've asked everyone who comeson the show this year what is
one piece of advice that youwere given that you'd like to
give to us?

Speaker 1 (01:15:23):
Hmm, were given that you'd like to give to us.
I'm going to cite myfather-in-law, who drops truth
bombs on me all the time, and Ihave been guilty of this, and
this is something that I've beenconsidering a lot lately,
because one of the downsides ofgetting your head spun around by

(01:15:43):
shiny things is I'll think,like there's a motel for sale
that would be cool.
And he's like do you want towait for Trent and Tina from
Winnipeg, whose flight's beendelayed three hours, to give
them a set of keys to their roomat one in the morning?
Harsh reality check.
So he always says so.
Quick sidebar, which isactually a great name for a

(01:16:05):
podcast too.
Yes, when I bought the trailershe said you should get them
undercoated.
So I spent a week undercoatingthem and he rolls up in his
truck.
Never shows up when I'm killingit, only when I'm like up to my
forehead in grease.
He's like what are you doing?
I said I'm undercoating thetrailers, but I don't really
know how long have you beendoing it.
This the trailers but I don'treally know how long have you

(01:16:25):
been doing it.
This is day six.
He's like hire someone whoundercoats for a living to do it
in two hours and you've justbought back six days of your
life to do the thing.
You don't actually suck at it'sfalse economy as a phrase.
So the piece of advice I wouldgive you guys is, instead of
doing 13 things half-assed, picktwo and go hard at them.

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
That's good, good advice, that's very good advice.

Speaker 1 (01:16:49):
It might be advice I'm giving myself in your
presence, but I find myselfthinking about that a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:16:54):
No, yeah.
Well, we got a lot of ideasgoing back and forth, so that's
great advice for us too.
It's also just good to accept.

Speaker 1 (01:16:59):
There are some things you're not great at, or many
things and focus on the onesthat you're great at.

Speaker 2 (01:17:04):
Yeah, that's the thing.
We have a couple of things.
We have a bunch of things wewant to do, but I think we have
like three or four things we'restarting to streamline them.

Speaker 3 (01:17:10):
We're getting better, we're writing notes and we're
whittling them down.

Speaker 2 (01:17:12):
We have a TV show idea and podcast.
Obviously book Great.

Speaker 1 (01:17:18):
Yeah, yeah, so grows and gets more traction will
increase your profile, willincrease people's awareness of
you and then, when you want todo something else, yeah, it
becomes easier.

Speaker 3 (01:17:29):
Well, that's something on the resume.
Yeah, absolutely.
Well, John, this has been anhonor, Thanks fellas.

Speaker 2 (01:17:33):
Thank you so much Thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (01:17:35):
Cheers, cheers, cheers.

Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
Your glasses are empty and thank you for
listening, and mine is half fullman, you planned that.

Speaker 3 (01:17:44):
Oh man, you planned that the whole show.
Thank you to Parrot Chat, asiaThai Food, yeah and to our
sponsors and listeners.
Have a great day.

Speaker 1 (01:17:51):
Wait, you have sponsors and listeners.
Yeah both.

Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
Oh, this is pro, oh, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:17:55):
Cheers.

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