Ryan Keeping - How Terry Fox's Legacy Lives On Through Ryan's Coast-to-Coast Journey - Afternoon Pint

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Cheers and welcome to the Afternoon Plank Cheers.
I'm Mike Tobin.
I am Mike.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Conrad, and who do we have with us today?
Today we have Ryan Keeping.
I'm sure many of you guys knowme as the guy that ran across
Canada.
Probably.

Speaker 1 (00:14):
Ryan, Keeping the man that ran across the entire
country.
Yep, that is me.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Insane.
Yes, you realize how incrediblymassive the country is and also
how most of the country isnothing.
There's like a few big citiesand then just trees.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
Right, and so did you like Trans-Canada Highway the
whole way, or how did that work?
For the most part, yeah.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
So it kind of just was recreating, obviously Terry
Fox, my biggest inspiration,recreating kind of his route.
So went all the way from StJohn's, Newfoundland, right down
where his statue is and thenall the way to Victoria, British
Columbia.
Finished at mile zero, it was98 days and it was long, long
days, a lot of running.
It's crazy 98 days, jeez.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
When did you start running?
Like when did this become athing that you wanted to do?

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Yeah, that's the million dollar question people
always ask um.
So I was always very passionateand I always played sports like
I love playing hockey, soccer,baseball, everything as a kid,
but didn't like seriously startrunning until I was 25.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
So I was kind of isn't that long ago?
No, when I was running acrosscanada.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
It was less than two years I'd been running.
So it was like I was kind ofalways the guy that like I think
when I was 20 or 21 I went outand I ran a marathon not
horrible time, but I think Ijust did it because like I had a
buddy that was doing it andjust went and did it.
So I was always like athleticand could run, but I never did
till 25, crazy yeah, toby, doyou remember when we ran the

(01:42):
bluenose?

Speaker 3 (01:42):
yeah, same kind of thing someone else made us do it
, you did the full.
Yeah, we didn't do the fullBlue Nose.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
No, we didn't.
We did the bridge, we did the10K, the 10K, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
And that was again.
That was somebody else asked usto do it.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
You didn't make it no call.
I wish I could call phone afriend on the show.
Do we do?
We do?
We have the metal I have thepicture you left came back.
Didn't you cheat, or something?

Speaker 3 (02:07):
are you nuts?

Speaker 1 (02:08):
I swear to god you cheated.
I did not cheat mark and I weregoing I think it was mark and I
yeah, like across the bridgeand like I'm not.
I'm sorry, I gotta just just.
I'm pretty sure at some pointhe's like where's conrad?

Speaker 3 (02:22):
and I lost you guys, but I 100 and you did not cheat
and you took the goddamn ferry.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
Yeah, I took the ferry.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
You took the ferry.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
You were behind or you were ahead.
You lost because you were.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
I was behind.
No, 100%.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
I was behind, no no, no, all of a sudden he was gone
Took the ferry and next, thing,you know, I seen this guy in a
boat.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
No, I ran with my dad .

Speaker 1 (02:46):
I thought you just met us for breakfast after.
No.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
I ran with my dad you moron.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
Alright, we're calling Walter.
Was this the beginning and theend of your running career all
at the same time?
100%, it was the end of mine.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
I actually went and did Tabata training to do this
thing.
What's Tabata, tabata?

Speaker 2 (03:07):
training is this whole thing where it's like you
like run really hard for like aminute and then you like walk
for like a minute and then yourun interval training.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
Yeah, exactly, yeah, yeah, so like I did that, but it
was uh, uh.
I was the one person who toldme to do that was my.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
I was um rear-ended yeah and it was my
physiotherapist I thought you'regonna say it was the guy that
rear-ended you.
No, the it was myphysiotherapist.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
I thought you were going to say it was the guy that
rear-ended you.
No, it was my physiotherapist.
You guys start running.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
You start running, I'm going to hit you again.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
No, it was my physiotherapist.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
I got rear-ended, yeah, yeah, and so I definitely
finished.
But I finished slower because Iwas freaking injured.
Okay, you were injured.
I'm sorry.
You still get it done though.
Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, I did,I did it.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
I did it in 111 an hour and 11 minutes.
That's not for 10k.
I don't know what I did.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
It it's not bad, yeah , but yeah, I don't, I can't
remember 10k and I try to tellpeople all the time any distance
is a good distance.
People say you know, I only rana 10k.
It's like that's a fire thatwas a lot of running.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
That's a long time it's's terrible, but you know
what the weird thing aboutrunning is and this is why I can
admire someone who's going torun Well, first of all, running
across the country is insaneanyway.
But, anyone who just runs, eventhe blue nose, like the
marathons and things like that.
It is far, but the mental focusit takes, yeah, no-transcript.

(04:33):
Oh my god, this is.
When's this gonna get over?

Speaker 2 (04:35):
yeah, well, and running is just incredibly
boring.
Yeah, it is.
So you find it boring?
oh yeah, wow, it's, I don't know.
It's like it's a to do as muchrunning as I do.
You almost have to like love itand hate it at the same time.
Right, because I'm doing it somuch that, like, say, in the
preparation to run across thecountry, I'm running so much and
a lot of it is quite slowbecause you're just trying to

(04:56):
build your base, you're tryingto run in zone two and just
pretty much run to a point whereyou can run a lot every single
day, like when I'm runningacross the country a lot of the
time.
It's just very slow.
Yeah, so you're bored the wholetime.
But I don't know you.
Just I love it and I hate it atthe same time.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
It's weird to describe.
Are you like a music listeneror are you like the silence?

Speaker 2 (05:16):
Uh, it depends.
Like Canada was really weirdbecause you're like 12 14 hours
a day, like I was doing 75k aday.
You run out of stuff to listento.
You can only listen to so manypodcasts or motivational
speeches or music, and then it'slike and then in a weird way,
you almost like zone in on onesong and I just right you start
listening to like one songproclaimers 500 miles over and

(05:39):
over again.
Kid rock midnight train tomemphis well, is that the song?
wasn't it?
I listened to that song so manytimes and, the funny thing, I
never listened to Kid Rock in mylife.
My uncle came out.
He drove the van for a few dayswith my dad and I was owed to
music.
This was like day 30.
I'm like man, I need some songs.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
He suggested that what a wild song.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
And then I just it would like put you into a flow
state of like it's weird.

Speaker 3 (06:08):
It's hard to describe , but you're just.
You know exactly what's gonnahappen in the song.
You just zone out.
You try to keep running.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
We've been way, way more fun if he was just like
celine dion I know all day,every day.
Oh see, it could be.
But the the thing too, it'slike uh, you don't, like, you
couldn't really listen tometallica all day because you're
gonna just burn out, you'regonna run too fast, so you
almost need something that'skind of slower.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
Okay, yeah, yeah, in a certain sense.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
So, like you said, flow state, and I mean that's
the thing.
You must feel almost like acertain kind of euphoria after
running, because I mean I feellike if I do anything enduring
long enough, you start to almostI don't want to say float, but
you know what I mean.
You feel a bit of a high.
How do you feel inside after?

Speaker 2 (06:43):
so long A runner.
Well, the thing is, when you'vedone it that long, you don't
really have a runner's highanymore.
Okay, like to do something likeacross the country and you're
doing 75K a day.
By the end of it, you're just,it's weird, because you finish
and you'd think you'd be likeman, I did it.
Like, ooh, you kind of finishand you're just like, well, of

(07:03):
course I got here.
Like, ooh, you kind of finishand you're just like, well, of
course I got here.
Like it was so long, everysingle day, that like to do
something like that, it's just,it's not even a physical it's
just mental it's like you'realmost it's almost mental
torture every day.
Fair enough, and you just keepgoing and keep going, and keep
going.
And I mean obviously I had areason why, like I was raising
money for heart strokefoundation, yeah, I dedicated
the run to terry fox and my dad.
So my dad has heart disease andobviously.

(07:24):
Terry Fox, biggest inspiration,ever greatest Canadian of all
time.
Plus, like I had social mediafollowing when I was doing it
and people were sending me crazymessages of support.
But yeah, it's, I don't know,it's crazy.
And then you finish in likethat period of time went by so
slow but so fast.
It like felt like it tookforever, but then you're done.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
you're like, oh, it's kind of like.
It was kind of like that covetperiod where you're like it
feels like forever, but it alsofeels like it's not, and then
you look you look back at it andyou're like did that even
happen?

Speaker 2 (07:55):
yeah, yeah and it's like for me it's like some of it
just feels like a dream.
Yeah, like you just kind ofzoned out and you kept like I
remember like half of it.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
And then half the time.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
You're just exhausted .

Speaker 3 (08:06):
So when you started, okay, so you started.
I mean, you have nearly 100,000people following you on
Instagram right now.
Yeah, wasn't?

Speaker 1 (08:11):
that when we started.
Well, that's what I mean.
Yeah, Like so like.

Speaker 3 (08:14):
Did you start your Instagram with?
Like?
You know, like everybody else,like 500 people kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
Yeah, so to guess it would have been like summer
three years ago, I guess now.
And so this is when I firststarted running, found the ultra
marathon stuff, kind of startedlistening to David Goggins and
these other crazy people.
I listened to that whole book,man you know, so I read the book

(08:41):
listened to the speeches andthat's when I had the idea I was
like I'm going to run acrossCanada.
I guess mainly the idea forthat came.
I went down to the States, soGoggins kind of expired it a
little bit.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
Yeah, big time, big time, wow, yeah, okay.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
And then I went to the States and I did my first
ultra marathon.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
I wore a Terry Fox shirt and he's such an
inspirational Canadian so I waslike I'm running across Canada.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
I want to do the whole thing dedicated to him.
Talk about how he's thegreatest Canadian of all time.
Say do it for Terry.
Like just trying to get peoplefrom all over to like remember
him, respect him, learn abouthim.
He's talking about your dadwith heart disease.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
Yeah, he's still here .

Speaker 2 (09:20):
So yeah, he actually drove the van the whole time.
Another crazy story.
We can get into it, but yeah, so, like, when I started my
Instagram, it was just mypersonal Instagram.
I probably had 400 followers orwhatever, and I just said I'm
going to run across Canada andit was like a year and a half of
training.
I documented a lot of mytraining and it grew and I think
by the time I started to runacross Canada, I might have had

(09:41):
like 10 000 followers.
Yeah, and within a week I wasat like 60.
Wow, like I think there was oneday I gained like 12 000 and
your dad would just came todrive along with you yeah, well,
my dad, the crazy story.
I basically was like I'm gonnado this, nothing's gonna stop me
, like this is my life, this iswhat I want to do with my life.
I want to inspire people,motivate people, do content like

(10:02):
.
I quit my job, took out a lineof credit, trained like a
professional athlete.
What would you work for yourjob?
Construction, just constructionwork.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
I mean, so it was still physical job too, yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
But I just was like this is my purpose in life, I
don't care however long thistakes.
Like this is going to be acareer.
I'm going to make money doingthis.
I'm going to motivate andinspire people.
So for the Canada run, I hadlike no sponsors and I just said
I'm going to do it Like I.
My dad said he would come forNewfoundland and then I had no
idea what was going to happenafter that.
Like I was going to have to tryto find friends or people from

(10:32):
Instagram.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
Respect for doing Newfoundland first by the way,
yeah, yeah, it was, it was.
You might have a surprise youweren't done after Newfoundland
there was some like.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
I remember day three.
It was like freezing rain andhail all day and I was soaked.
There's a video.
You can see my face, my cheeks.
I look like I got frostbitepretty much, yeah.
But yeah, so my dad was goingto do Newfoundland and he came
up to do Newfoundland basicallyrealized like all right, my son
is going to do this or dietrying.
He's like I have to be there.
So he basically called his bossand was like, hey, I have to.

(11:03):
Hopefully I don't get fired.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
I have to follow my idiot son across the country.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
Yeah, like at this point in time it was kind of
blowing up.
We were raising, like thefollowers were coming in, we
were raising money.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
So he starts to see that this has a movement.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
He drove the van for 98 days at like seven kilometers
an hour behind me every day.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
Anybody else go with you, or was it?

Speaker 2 (11:21):
just you and your dad , I actually.
So my camera guy.
Another crazy story I just hada buddy and he was kind of into
cameras but like never had anyexperience, didn't do it as a
job, he worked sheet metal and Ijust needed someone.
So I like we were kind of blownup and I call him.
I'm like all right, like whatdo you make doing sheet metal?
I'm like I'll try to give youlike 70, 80% of that.

(11:46):
We were doing gofundme.
So I was trying to get him hismoney and like super crazy, but
he ended up we bought him acamera, flew him out and he was
with us probably 60, 70 daysdocumented.
Did the youtube videos that'sawesome and it's like a guy that
like his first day with usdidn't even like first time ever
holding a real camera yeah, andhe's like trying to film it.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
So it was crazy to see his progress in the videos
and you can do a studiodocumentary on him, uh, and then
like, just you know,documentary on the guy
documentary.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
Yeah, just keep the levels going, but people like it
was.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
It was nuts, like how this all came together and like
we.
We got me who just startedrunning.
We got my dad who never crewedanyone, anything like this.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
We got my camera guy who doesn't know how to do like
we all came together, but that'sthe thing a bunch of unemployed
guys running across the country.
We just did it.
It's happening, man, it'sawesome.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
The crazy thing too, is like so I was raising money
for Heart and Stroke Foundation,it was an 80-20 split, so 20%
to fund the run, 80% goes rightto the Heart and Stroke
Foundation.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
And like we finished the run and I remember like made
the donation and I think madethe donation and I think I had
like 116 dollars left in my bankaccount.
It just came, so like that itworked.
And like in the last, I think,week we raised like 100 grand.
So if we didn't do that I waslike gonna be like a line of
credit donating because it'sexpensive to go across the
country and do this like I thinkit was like close to 50 grand

(12:58):
it ended up costing what wereyour big expenses?

Speaker 1 (13:00):
just food stuff, food hotel rooms, hotel would be the
biggest thing Paying my cameraguy, like there was just gas.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
There was just so many things add up.
You got to think like we'refeeding me, who's eating?
Like five people.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
Yeah, that's true.
Yeah, you're probably runningso much you need to fuel it,
right.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
And then we're feeding my camera guy, my dad
and to help crew differentsections.
So yeah, it was.

Speaker 3 (13:24):
What was the thing you ate the most?
Ravioli.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
Canned ravioli Canned ravioli.
I'll never eat it again.
Well, I'll probably eat itagain, but I haven't really had
it since.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
That's fair, that's legit, or just your goal fuel oh
the thing is Just like straightout of the can.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
My dad doesn't know how to cook cook anything that's
amazing, yeah.
And then like when you get tonorthern ontario or these places
, oh yeah, there's nothing,nothing.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
So it's like we could buy like steaks or something
and try to northern canadian sothere, there would be like, oh
man, it would be 300 kilometersof nothing people don't know how
like crazy that highway.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
We just got like canned ravioli and canned tim
hortons chili.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
Any wildlife up there that you saw while you were
riding A couple bears.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
yeah, you see everything on that highway.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
Listen, my cousin and I drove up around Lake Superior
there and we actually almosthit a wolf, so like I never seen
a wolf.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
Yeah bears a couple moose, oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
No, it's pure national I'm sure there was so
much more wildlife.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
I didn't see because I was just staring at my feet,
kind of yeah yeah, yeah likeeven the bear.
I didn't realize there was abear in the car, went around the
van and like slammed theirbrakes on what's that person
stopping for and you just seethe bear run across the street,
run back across.
I'm like first time ever seen abear.
I was that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
So you get through interior and then you get to the
flatlands.
Oh God.

Speaker 3 (14:43):
Yeah, I mean that must have been easier, but
incredibly boring.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
Yeah, it's like I don't know when I did these
things.
I kind of went into this with amindset of like every day could
be incredibly horrible and nomatter what, I'm just going to
move forward.
The 75 kilometer distancesounds crazy, but technically
you could walk it if you had toyeah, it would take a really
really long time.
But it's.
Some people say like what wasthe hardest part of the easiest

(15:08):
part or different.
It was kind of all the same.
It was all just like one taskthat you had to do and yeah,
yeah, I mean like the prairieswas was flat, was boring, there
was tons of headwind.
Yeah, northern ontario wascrazy hills.
I mean, probably the easieststretch would have been from the
time I got into Ontario to likeToronto because there were so
many people okay yeah, like thatkind of gives you energy.

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There wasn't a single step Itook in Ontario by myself.

Speaker 3 (15:31):
There was always people with me and even did
people do the whole Forrest Gumpthing like start running people
every day, man every like.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
pretty much not at the beginning, becausefoundland
it was kind of just starting,but like Ontario, we had did a
group run in Toronto and therewas like a thousand people that
showed up.

Speaker 3 (15:47):
Wow.
So when I hit big cities.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
I do 70K and we drive to like a park and do the last
five days.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
So how were you managing that element while you
were on the road?
So did you have folks doingyour social media as well, or?

Speaker 3 (15:57):
was that you doing it ?

Speaker 2 (15:58):
For the first, until I got my camera guy, which he
came like right before Toronto.
It was all me, so I would belike running up the highway on
my phone doing my video onCapCut, putting the captions on
stuff or doing the stories.

Speaker 3 (16:17):
I was trying to reply to everyone that was sending me
messages, so it was like, Iguess that alone would keep the
run like kind of occupied.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
And then even sometimes, like it would be, I'd
be getting four hours of sleepa night because I'd be finishing
and I'd be trying to answeremails.
I'd be trying to do all theinstagram dms and there's so
many messages coming in I'mtrying to get content out.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
So it was like busy, busy busy and now, like david
goggins, I mean that the mosthorrific part of that whole
david goggin story is his feet.
Right, I mean just running sohard and going so hard.
What happened to his feet, Ithink?
I think that's one of the mostterrible crazy thing though yeah
, I didn't lose a toenail.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
No, oh wow, I didn't even really get a blister.
Oh, what I mean?
I had been running like crazyfor, as I said, like almost two
years leading up to it.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
Uh, my shoes were you wearing.
You know, you just deteriorate.
A couple different brands.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
I started on one brand, went, went to another.
Okay, yeah, a couple differentshoes.

Speaker 3 (17:05):
But like you know where's these shoes, deals
coming up right.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
Where are these shoes deals?
They just don't exist.
I don't know.
Seriously yeah it's crazy, butyeah, so like the thing is, if I
say you go to a trail, run orwhatever, you're up and down,
jumping over stuff, like that'swhen you'd lose toenails.
But on the road, like I wearusually, I wear something that's
like a half size too big andright you're not really

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crunching your toenails.
You know what I mean yeah, yeah, yeah, so like I lost feeling
in my heels.
I couldn't feel anything in myheels.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
They were completely days on end.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
They're just done yeah, they're just numb like the
skin was like oh, four inchesthick.
It was crazy like you.
Just you tap them and itsounded like you were like a
hobbit feet.
Yeah, straight up ravioli, likeyou were tapping like a park
bench, just like a, like thattype of noise wow, because they
were just it was.
You just calloused up, yeah,and then for four months the
skin was coming.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
It was gross like after it was done, it was coming
off and yeah, chunks, and stuff, yeah, but yeah like no serious
issues in my feet.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
It's such an interesting thing about
adaptation when you think aboutit, how your body just adapted
to that kind of constant.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
Yeah, it's weird because almost the first two
weeks was the hardest.
Yeah, because your body's, in acertain way, kind of trying to
shut you down, rejecting you.
Yeah, so it's like I rememberthere was a whole day probably
like day seven or eight, where Ijust felt like I broke my foot
the whole day.
It just was horrible pain, wow.
That lasted a few days and thenit just went away and I knew it
.
Like that issue didn't comeback.

(18:31):
You know what I mean.
So it's like what was that?

Speaker 1 (18:33):
your body's rewiring like that, no, like survival
there was different issues thatwould come.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
But I kind of always knew, and even when I was doing
this, the weird part was when Ifelt good, I was like oh, fuck,
yeah, because you know that thebad's gonna come yeah, and then
when you feel horrible, you'rekind of like, okay, well, I'm
gonna feel better eventually,and it'd be every day.
It'd be, you'd be 12 kilometersin.
You're like I feel like I'mgonna die yeah, okay.

Speaker 3 (18:57):
So, like the, the hardest part must have been the
Rocky Mountains.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
The hills going up hills isn't bad, Downhill
horrible, Bad on the knees,especially near the end.
Yeah, there was a certain pointnear the end where I was going
up a hill faster than I wasgoing down Because I was
hobbling so bad going down,because everything was so sore.
Right, right, yeah, but worstpart, best part, yeah, I don't

(19:25):
like worst part, best part, Idon't know like.
I mean, the headwinds in theprairies was horrible because it
was like I thought that'd bethe easiest part.
I thought it was just in mybrain, just because I'm like
it's flat, it should be, but theway the weather patterns go, I
think it's about like 80 of thetime the wind is pushing west to
east right, so it would be like60 kilometer headwind all day
so it feels like you're runningon a treadmill yeah, yeah, so I

(19:47):
had, like I remember, uh, mygirlfriend, she came out not my
girlfriend at the time, mygirlfriend now though um, she
came out and, uh, she had aspeed work, run or whatever
she's gonna do speed session,and she was trying to do her
speed session into the wind andlike she was supposed to be
running at whatever foursomething a kilometer, and it
was like two minutes slowershe's running and she's like I

(20:08):
don't know how you're doing thisall day yeah, and she's running
like, and it's literally feelslike you're being pushed
backwards and you're trying tosprint through the wind and it's
just not working and it's it'slike horrible that part, because
you just feel like you'regetting nowhere.

Speaker 3 (20:23):
Wow, that's an interesting thing though,
because you know everyone thinksthat you know with athletes
like professional athletes.
You always see them likerunning up hills and things like
that, but apparently like go toSaskatchewan and run against
the wind and there's yourresistance training right.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
Oh man, and it was cold too, like I remember.

Speaker 3 (20:40):
Yeah, when was that?
What time of year?
What were the months?
Wow, it was three months thatyou were gone.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
I started April 1st in Newfoundland which is like
still winter.
Yeah, yeah, so that was snowingand freezing cold the whole
time.
I remember where were weEdmonston, New Brunswick, it was
like minus 18.
That was in like.
Was that cold?

Speaker 3 (20:58):
where edmonston, new brunswick, was minus 18 in may.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
What's horrible, wow.
And the problem was the daybefore it was like eight degrees
, so I was like warm, had myslick you know, I'm just wearing
a t-shirt, and then you wake upin the morning and you're like
what?

Speaker 3 (21:10):
the fuck.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
You're outside and it's like headwind and you're
just froze and like you weren'texpecting in newfoundland.
I just knew us.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
This is gonna be a shit show.
I would have expected that innorthern one two, but uh, I
guess I don't know, it's cold,and then I mean it's cold.

Speaker 3 (21:23):
But I wouldn't have thought in may, when when's
father's day, that's june, rightuh?

Speaker 2 (21:28):
yeah, because I remember we did a video like a
shout out to my dad for father'sday, and so the video I'm
running and it's like so windyand he throws me the microphone.
I'm talking, we're in the video, but I just remember it was
like I think, five degrees andlike 70 kilometer headwind all
day, and this is june.
Wow, like I'm wearing like twosweaters and like I think I

(21:51):
still have the clip, but I'mlike trying to talk into the mic
and all you can hear is justthe wind going crazy, like can't
even hear what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (21:58):
Basically, I'm screaming into this mic and it's
just like that windy, it's likethe blair witch project like
it's running man, the wind iswow, okay, all right but you
know, uh, we were talking alittle before here that, um, you
know, running across thecountry and everything, you got
the attention of uh at the timeour nation's leader, of Justin

(22:21):
Trudeau, which is kind of cool.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
Yeah, that was crazy.
So when I finished, we did myfinal post and he left a nice
long message and he's also sentme a big sign and it was a
letter.
You will never afford a house,but it's cool to get recognition
from, I mean say, what you want, the you know leader of the

(22:47):
country.

Speaker 3 (22:47):
A hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
Yeah, I thought that was pretty cool, but like there
was man, that final post I made,I think there was maybe 3 000
people commented on it like theengagement was crazy.
Every video I was putting outwas getting like 100 000 views
on instagram and so manycomments and like, for example,
to show the support we had.

(23:08):
Um, there's one day we neededgatorades and we put a post out
hey, can anyone bring usgatorade?
I think 800 gatorade showed up.
No, two hours later we had toput a post out and say guys like
, like, if you're coming withgiving us, but like don't bring
any more.
Yeah and like or food and stuff.
I felt bad.
We had to put a post and saylike don't bring any more food,
because there was days where wewere getting like 10 spaghetti

(23:29):
dinners like, so we were likehad to throw some of it out.
So we had to put a post of like, maybe like a gift card that
makes more sense people wereshowing up to my like people
would figure out where my hotelroom wasn't, and people were
knocking on the door andbringing spaghetti dinners and
meatloaf.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
That must be kind of weird.
Eh, it was cool, that's kind ofawesome.

Speaker 3 (23:46):
I mean, you know, I think it's incredible.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
How could you not be connected with that movement?
To be following you.
Like the amount of people too.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
That must just still have my location, because
whenever someone would DM me onInstagram hey, I want to run
with you, I'd just get them totext me and then I'd share my
location.
Oh yeah, so there's probably athousand people with my location
indefinitely.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
Now they could just see at big leagues right now
Like well, he went down, butthey're just drinking at the pub
.
People come to the hotel room.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
I had you like, oh yeah, you sent me your location
Awesome.

Speaker 3 (24:15):
That's crazy man.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
That is crazy.

Speaker 3 (24:18):
But you know that's kind of cool Like.
But you know that's kind ofcool Like.
You know you really get to seeand meet, like you know, the
people of Canada in such apositive way yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
Yeah, like people.
I think in a certain way,people just needed something to
like, cheer for.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
Yeah, yeah, I mean positivity is I think that yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
Yeah, so it was like like a lot of my time, so I said
that in most of my videos.

Speaker 3 (24:43):
I think he was voted number one.
Cheers to Terry Fox.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
Cheers to Terry what he did, and people don't realize
how young he was.

Speaker 3 (24:51):
He was like 22 years old Exactly.
He died when he was 23,.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
I think yeah, so it's Wow, that is crazy.
I never thought about that in along time.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
Like to be that young and do that, and I mean like I
did the run and I don't know howhe made it up some of the hills
.
Yeah, like, how old were youwhen you did the run?
26, that's still prettyimpressive.

Speaker 3 (25:08):
Yeah, he did it with two legs.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
Yeah, like seriously but, back then too, it's not
like now, like where they gottechnology and I'm sure you
could have a decent running legof course back then is like the
walking leg.
I could probably fallen overall the time.

Speaker 3 (25:21):
Oh yeah, 100%.
Just a hunk of wood in.
Pretty well, it was a pirate'sleg, yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
Imagine the chafing on the stump, and then also.

Speaker 3 (25:29):
I do remember reading about that.
He did comment about thechafing on the stump and then
imagine his one hip would havebeen destroyed because he's
double skipping every time.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
it's true, yeah, yeah , it's like he's only 22 yeah
people don't understand,thinking about the gravity at
just that alone.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
I've always said they have to make like a like a, a
movie about him that's in thetheaters.
Like a like a feet, like anactual movie.
Like we have like there's somemovies like the cbc one or
whatever like, but they need onethat's like high budget.
People need to know this story.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
No, I agree because agree.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
Because it's the craziest what he did.
And then it shows it doesn'tmatter how long you live.
If you live, you can make ahuge impact.

Speaker 3 (26:08):
He just did.
He knew he had to do that.
Well, I mean, the thing is Ithink it was his original goal
was to raise a million dollars.
I think he actually fell shortof that, obviously because he
passed away before reallycompleting it, but when you
think about his legacy, it'salmost he left.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
It's almost a billion dollars that the foundations
are is so I mean it's a sin thathe died and it's I mean, who
knows like doing that run did ittake time off his life?
Like possibly?

Speaker 1 (26:35):
I bet it probably did probably was a little taxing on
your, on your body, yeah, andlike, your body wants to repair
it.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
So the crazy thing too is like he had cancer when
he's doing it.
Yeah, exactly.
He didn't know he did, but it'slike for that to get diagnosed,
then he probably had it thewhole time.
Yeah, right, if not?

Speaker 1 (26:50):
it would have developed what part of the run
was he diagnosed with cancer.
That's when he had cancer untilit moved to his lungs.
Is that right, yeah?

Speaker 2 (27:01):
And it's like, yeah, how are you breathing?

Speaker 3 (27:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
Seriously.
You know, I guess he was likecoughing up blood, and so that
was.
It was Thunder Bay where he hadto stop.
Yeah, which is?
I mean he made it up all thosecrazy Hills in Ontario, like if
he can't, he 100% would havemade it if that cancer didn't
come back and ultimately takehis life.
But yeah, and then it's alsofor me it's like there's no

(27:27):
position to complain, or it'slike if I'm having a hard day,
man, I'm healthy, I got two legs, I got all the support, like I
have nothing to complain about.
Think about the pain he was in.

Speaker 3 (27:34):
No, it's true, Definitely more than the pain I
was in.
It's definitely good to bringinto perspective, like how lucky
we all have at some point.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
Yeah, and it's like after you do something so crazy
like run across the country,it's like there's no bad days
anymore.
Yeah, fair enough, or likeimagine it's after you've ran
for 14 hours a day for 98 daysin a row.
It's like what's a long day?

Speaker 1 (27:54):
Right.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
You know what I mean stuff now and it's feels a lot
less because you're like man.
I struggled for 98 straightdays like minimal sleep.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
Yeah so going back before the goggins book, that
kind of inspired you a littlebit.
Before that did you feel alittle bit lost in yourself.
You know you're doingconstruction.
You said like did you just feellike you just didn't have any
direction in?

Speaker 2 (28:15):
life or what was going on then.
Yeah, so like I, I'm the typeof person where I kind of need
an obsession.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
Okay, like.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
I need everything I do.
I'm going to do pretty hard,okay cool.
So it's like I remember likeplaying team sports as a kid.
Then that finishes and you'relike what am I like?
You don't really have anything.
You can go play like beerleague hockey, but you can't try
hard.

Speaker 3 (28:37):
Right, and for me it's like if.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
I'm not going 100%.
I don't really want to do it.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
Yeah, the guys in beer softball leagues that try
super hard.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
That'd be me.
They're the worst.
They're the worst ones to playwith.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
I'm just trying to drink beer and not do anything
too difficult.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
And you were making this game not fun with your home
runs and your anger.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
That's why I just don't play Like I only do
running.
I don't play others.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
I just go to her.
There's something.
I just can't not try her.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
So you're an animal, you need to find something, yeah
so I think I just and in aweird way, I kind of always felt
like I was destined to dosomething huge, like really help
people.
I just didn't know what it was.
Yeah, and then it's like that'swhy, as soon as I found running
, I was like, oh, likeeverything else in my life is
temporary, like I might workanother job or I might do that,
but like my ultimate goal is todo these crazy runs, motivate

(29:27):
and inspire people, havemillions of followers.
Yeah, like, and it's even withthe Canada run, like that was
just the first time I'm going todo.
Like I said, like what's thebest way to learn how to run
across the country?
You run across the country.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
Like, I'm going to do crazy challenges, so you have a
run in mind, so you're going todo this again.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
I'll be doing Canada again.
I'll be doing the Stateseventually.
Name a crazy challenge.
I want to try to do it.
So now it's kind of just tryingto figure out what is the most
beneficial Kind of pick andchoose these challenges.
But yeah, I've got tons of time.
I'll be doing this until I'm 50.

Speaker 3 (29:59):
How I first heard about you was my wife actually
talked to me about you and shewas like yeah, did you hear
about this thing?
And it was funny, I almost kindof forgot about it.
And then we were getting it onthe podcast.
I was like, yeah.
So I said we're getting BrianKeepy on the podcast.
Do you know him?
And she was like, yes, I toldyou about him.
And I was like, oh, yeah, yeah,so she's been following along

(30:19):
like for a while now andeverything and uh, but like my,
my, so my wife's not a runner,but she's a really avid hiker,
okay, and she likes, she, shelikes to challenge herself every
summer.
She's a teacher, so she's off,right, so she likes to challenge

(30:39):
herself every summer to areally and everything.
So, but she has a couple goals,um, so I think she can kind of
like relate to this.
I think that's why she likerelates to your, your account,
and everything is because shewants to do, uh, everest base
camp and she wants to do anotherone that she's been talking
about a lot lately is she wantsto do the I can't remember the
name of it oh, the pacific trail, okay, which is, which is from

(31:01):
the Mexico border to theCanadian border on the West
Coast.
Let's go Right, that's awesome.
That's what she wants to do atsome point in time.
Now the good thing is, she's ateacher, so she actually has
summers off.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
Yeah, she got summers .
She can actually do thosethings right.

Speaker 3 (31:13):
So yeah, she wants to do base camps Like this year,
or she's doing something in CapeBreton where it costs $1,500 to
go because you have to bring aguide and you go from Pollard's
Cove up to Meat Cove rightthrough the deep wood of Cape
Breton to the highlands.
I can see that kind of thingwhere it's like you want that

(31:35):
challenge.
It's like what's the next thingI'm going to check off, kind of
thing.
So it's kind of cool.
Is it just running?
Is hiking that type kind ofthing?
So it's kind of cool, like yeah, but like is it just running?
Like it's like hiking would belike that type of thing be
challenging to you at all, or isit interest you?

Speaker 2 (31:46):
yeah, it's kind of anything I do so I try to tell
people too.
Like it's not that, like I justlove running.
It's, that's just how I expressmyself now yeah, so it's really
like I've just chose to get asgood as I possibly can at
running, but it could have beenanything yeah, but it's like in
order to like.
For me, I kind of have to solelyfocus on running because like,

(32:09):
yeah, you can be good at a bunchof stuff, but if I want to be
like one of the best or, yep,you know as good as I can
possibly be, I kind of have tojust laser focus in on.

Speaker 3 (32:18):
I'm just going to give him a stupid challenge.
I want him to be the firstperson to run up Mount Everest.
Run up Mount Everest.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
I'm going to put that in his brain and now he's going
to obsess about it or run tothe North Pole right yeah, going
to Santa or a.
Russian submarine Either, orThat'd be kind of cool, yeah, no
, that'd be cool, I don't know.
I mean, yeah, the thoughts areendless with you, there's
endless challenges.
It's the sandbox at this point.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
Well, it's even like I just went and did Florida.
I ran the entire length ofFlorida in 10 days, 752
kilometers Amazing.
And people ask like why there?
Well, I just picked it.
I wanted to do something solo,so I did this one, completely
self-supported.
I just wore a backpack it wasactually a school book bag, it
wasn't anything fancy.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
Did you get sponsors with this one?

Speaker 2 (33:01):
No, no, no, just kind of did it, just to feel good it
was all off my own line ofcredit.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
Yeah, you were saying you went down and you had some
random people pick you up.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
Yeah, people help.
No one murdered you, no, no.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
I've heard there's a pretty crazy part of Florida too
.
You've got to be, careful.

Speaker 3 (33:16):
Yeah, exactly, gators .

Speaker 2 (33:19):
I was by the water the whole time, which you kind
of find in Florida.
Anything by the water is nice,and then probably more inland
might be not the nicest.
But for me I ran through,basically only nice.
Well, there's a couple ofsketchy spots, but nothing like.
Most of it was pretty nice.

Speaker 3 (33:34):
Yeah yeah, those Jacksonville Jaguar fans are
pretty out there.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
So you had to go right through there.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
Jacksonville was one of the spots where I ran through
a sketchy.
Yeah, yeah it doesn't surpriseme.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
Yeah, do we have that on your thing on your on your
instagram.
Uh, there'd be videos of me injacksonville.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
Yeah cool I gotta check that out.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
I remember I like I usually I'll take a break, say
every five, ten kilometers,something.
Sit down, eat a bit, drinkwhatever.
And there was a spot injacksonville or it was pretty
sketchy, so I think I had to runfor like 20 straight kilometers
.

Speaker 3 (34:04):
I was like I really love a drink right now.
I just, I don't know, I'm justgonna keep going here.
So did you go all the way downto the?

Speaker 2 (34:10):
keys.
Yeah, so right to the start.
Of the keys is where I stopped.
I wanted to do all the keysalso.
It's expensive though.
Oh, I bet yeah to get hotelbecause, I was just like staying
in really shitty motels RightLike I was going on Expedia.
What's the cheapest one, staythere.

Speaker 3 (34:23):
So why Florida?

Speaker 2 (34:25):
Well, I wanted to do something solo and I'm also
obviously trying to grow mystate's audience because there's
so many more people.
That's right, I have almost100,000 followers here now and I
think like 95% is Canada, Right.
So I'd love to grow into theStates you kind of have to if
you want to take things to thenext level, sort of.
So I just picked Florida and Imean Florida was good because

(34:46):
the whole thing's populated.

Speaker 3 (34:48):
Yeah, it's warm.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
It's warm so I didn't have to worry about it.
It was pretty easy.

Speaker 1 (34:52):
You could just do a running from ice run Start in
New York City and just feel free.

Speaker 3 (34:58):
Runs from winter.
No, no, I mean the immigrant.
Oh ice that ice.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
Yeah, sorry that ice.
Sorry, I do hate winter.
Well, it's okay to run in, buteverything else is just freezing
all the time.

Speaker 3 (35:14):
I like how you went with the immigration services
and I went with Ryan.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
runs from winter A lot of people down there are
getting detained and stuff A lotof Canadians.
Sorry, that was a joke.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
Everyone was saying all this stuff about how I
needed to be so worried to go tothe States.
I mean, my experience was liketo get across the border.
What are you doing?
I'm running the entire state ofFlorida.
Oh cool, Let me through.
I went there.
Everyone in Florida loved me.
They loved the fact that I wasfrom Canada.

(35:43):
They're, oh, we love CanadiansRight, Came home, had no issues.
So I think a lot of times likepeople are just people, yeah, no
, it's all this division andstuff.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
I think it's a tough year.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
Yeah, I think it's a particularly tough year.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
I have family in Colorado.
I go there I've been there andI think.
But this year I was a littleapprehensive.
We changed our family vacation.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
It's just weird times now, but hopefully things boil
over Even still, though, butlike you said, people are people
.
And you know what the thing is,that the issues that we're
really having are withgovernments.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
Yeah, it's not every day, not the people.
That's 100% right.
Yeah, totally.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
It's a total problem with just what the leadership is
saying down there to do, and Ieven found, like I got some,
like I decided to do thisFlorida run, probably two weeks
before everything went crazy.
So I'd obviously booked myflight and a few hotels and
stuff and then, like I actuallylost followers going there.
Like I was hoping it would workand it didn't really seem to hit

(36:39):
the algorithm in the States.
So it was all the Canadianpeople.
And then Canadian people weremad at me because I was in the
States and there was people likecommenting a couple of comments
, someone was like Terry Foxwould have never went to the
States under these times.
And then people are like Ican't bullshit what a shit thing
to say.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
I have challenged that and then everyone's like I
can't believe you're going toTrump's America.
And I'm like, I'm just a runner, guys, maybe people thought it
was politically motivated orsomething.

Speaker 3 (37:05):
Yeah, but it was like I just Donald Trump didn't send
you a nice little signed thing?

Speaker 2 (37:11):
But I mean, I just went to run, I got some blowback
on it, but really, I just keepgoing yeah, that's horseshit.

Speaker 3 (37:18):
If people want to get mad about that, it's like sorry
, no, I'd be mad.
I'm mad about that.
That's not fair.
Everything was booked.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
It's like people are like you got a can.
I'm like no, I'm not going to.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
I didn't know, some guy was going to start a trade
war.
Yeah, so if?

Speaker 2 (37:31):
anything.
It's like it almost can kind ofbring the countries together in
a certain way of like showing.
Like I went there, I hadsupport from people like there
was.
I remember going to I had to getfrom where jacksonville to the
border and on my instagram somelady came and picked me up and
drove me to the border so it waslike it's crazy support, or
even like a guy came andfinished the run with me like

(37:52):
the last last night when I didlike 109 kilometers to finish,
so I finished like two in themorning okay, he came and ran
with me at the end, so it waslike tons of support from people
man yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:01):
I think people just want something to believe in, no
matter what you're canadian,american, whatever, like,
whatever.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
People just want something, I think too, like the
best way to inspire someone isto just chase your passion as
hard as you can.
Yeah, it doesn't matter what itis.
It's like I like kobe bryant.
I don't care about basketball,I just liked that he was.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
He was crazy and he pushed the limits as far as he
could he's psychopathic like youlike seeing people I mean the
same as jordan like, yeah, youlike seeing people push for it
and it has nothing to do withrunning or basketball, whatever
it is, it's just you're likeokay, that guy's intense, I like
that yeah, that thatpsychopathic like mentality.

Speaker 3 (38:34):
Right, like the tom brady.
I'm a big patriots fan, so yeah, tom brady has that like I'm
gonna sit here, I'm gonna studyand I'm gonna know everything
better than you and I'm gonnacome more prepared than you, and
it's the same thing.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
I love that jordan documentary because jordan, just
like sometimes saying yeahpurely willed yeah yeah, winning
right, it's like say what youwill about him, but there he's,
a winner oh yeah, it's likedon't want to be an idiot, to be
a jerk, right it's almost.
It is tough and certain like tobe that at something you almost
have to suck at everything else, like you know, it's like you

(39:06):
see Tom Brady, or whatever hiswife leaves him and all, but
it's like he's probably soobsessed with football like he
doesn't leave much time forother things.

Speaker 3 (39:14):
Yeah, he totally lost his marriage over football.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
But it's like, well he probably wouldn't have been
the best ever if he didn't gothat far in the football.

Speaker 3 (39:21):
So it's a weird way to try to balance and not let
things ruin your life.
Man I'm reading.
All I'm hearing right now isthat Ryan's like the goat at
running.
I guess, yeah, he's comparinghimself to the goats, yeah, so
there you go.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
Not currently but trying to get there one day.

Speaker 3 (39:37):
There you go.
I like that.
It's everything in give things10, 20 years, and are you trying
to sign up for, like, a bunchof different, like of those like
well-known, famous marathonsand things like that?
I'd like to.
They're expensive though.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
Yeah, definitely people need sponsors and stuff
yeah, like I, I want to do a 200miler this this year and
they're like two grand, wow,okay and then by the time it's
like you gotta fly there, yougotta stay there.

Speaker 3 (40:06):
Yeah no, you gotta bring a crew with you.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
So it's like you end up spending five grand on yeah
five days.

Speaker 3 (40:12):
So the?
The other thing, too, is like,um, like, if you have you ever
heard of the uh, the compoststyle, like the, the pilgrimage
that goes from like, uh, likethe border of france, like, and
it goes all the way over tospain.
Have you heard of that?
So it's this pilgrimage thatpeople go and generally people
walk it, but like, and there'shostels and things like that
along the way, but it'ssomething like I don't know.

(40:32):
I think it's like I could becompletely wrong on this,
because it might be more, buteurope's not that big.
So I think it's like 900kilometers, yeah, makes most
people walk it, but like, Ithink it'd be kind of a cool
thing because it's supposed tobe like a religious experience.
Okay yeah, so it's like that'ssomething that I think could be
definitely on your radar.
That could be and I thinkthat's something that I think
could be definitely on yourradar and I think that's
something that you couldprobably do for pretty

(40:53):
inexpensive, because it's like apilgrimage.
There's a lot of people alongthe way that actually help out.

Speaker 1 (41:01):
I'm a little different from the running thing
.
I think you should take a pogostick or something like
completely different Pogo stick.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
I'm going to pogo stick, pogo stick 100 miles
there you go, my way rightthrough Cairo.
I Pogo stick 100 miles thereyou go, my way right through
Cairo.
I'm going to pogo to the top ofthe pyramid.
I would watch that.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
Oh, I'd watch it.
Who wouldn't?
Yeah, of course, man, I wonderhow long a pogo stick a marathon
.
Damn, it might take a while, Ibet.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
By the end.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
you'd be falling over , You'd be tired.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
My goal now is to get you researching pogo sticks
tonight.
They're fascinating devices.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
I've never done one.
I'll try it.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
It's a peak of athletic performance.

Speaker 3 (41:34):
Yeah, 100% yeah.
And you know what, speaking ofpogos, we actually did something
kind of fun today, so this willalready be out on.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
Instagram by now, by the time this gets out, because
I think our episodes are a monthahead.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
We're almost a month ahead.
Now, we're over a month ahead.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
I can't even tell what do we do.

Speaker 3 (41:55):
Matt, today we did a little bit of a collaboration
with Afternoon Pint that wearranged with you and a friend
of the show, chip, at ThreeOvers Daily.
We did this sponsored by ThreeMile Outfitters.
We did a three-mile run whereyou were training Chip to run

(42:16):
and it was hilarious and a bitof a disaster, but we had to put
in some things there to kind oflevel the playing field,
because obviously you're a muchbetter runner than Chip.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (42:24):
But one of the things was eating a pogo Not the
bouncy pogo, but the Korean soKong Dog actually donated these
Korean pogo corn dog things,massive hot dogs, huge,
delicious, by the way.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
They're really good.
If you're in the area, where isit?
Downtown Halifax, right, no?

Speaker 1 (42:38):
that's on the Bedford Highway.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
Oh, I'm thinking of it, okay.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
I don't know if it's Kong Dog, but it's another thing
that's like that.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
No, they're delicious though man.

Speaker 3 (42:47):
Delicious though, man , they were great, but what,
like you know?
Go and check that out,obviously, because that was a
really fun experience.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
Um, it's a it's a month later.
Now chip might be recovered.
We also did.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
We also did street caesars right outside of where
we're recording today, yeahspicy street caesars right
outside of big leagues herethat's right.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
So we're in big leagues, we're having a really
good time, so that's somethingyou, you don't drink.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
I'm drinking my energy drink.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
So you're like, you're straight edge, right?
Yeah, I guess you'd call itthat.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
It's like I don't have anything wrong with
drinking.
I just in the same way, I runeverything I do I want to do
full out.

Speaker 3 (43:22):
Yeah, fair.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
For me it's to drink a few beer doesn't interest me,
I would just end up drinking 15and it's not, would just end up
drinking 15 and it's not sure.
Like, yeah, you in order, inorder to run, it's you don't
want to be hung over and it'snice.
But I probably haven't drank intwo and a half three years well
, you're not running, are you?

Speaker 1 (43:38):
are you training to be just ready to go for the next
run?
Like, are you going to gymdaily now, yeah, I run, keep it
to top shape every day.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
Yeah, yeah, for the most part run every day and I go
to the gym two or three days aweek.
So yeah, it's my whole life islike I'm training, like,
basically, like a professionalathlete would be I'm training as
if this is my well, it kind ofis my job.
It's, yeah, exactly, not makingenough to.
You're definitely living offthe line of credit currently,
but I'm kind of, you know,banking on the future and trying

(44:07):
to just do big runs and keeptraining yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (44:09):
I'm sorry for the next massive expedition.
I'd love to see some tutorials.
Thank, you.
I'm bad with multi-syllablewords sometimes, but I'd love to
see some training on how peoplecan get started, how people can
do what they want to do.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
So I've actually just started dropping a lot more
tips-type content and just kindof showing how I'm training.
So actually I've partnered upwith a trainer, um, first time
ever really I did.
I did everything prior just bymyself, so kind of I wanted to
to get my mental as good as Ipossibly could and kind of peak

(44:44):
and almost plateau before Istarted tweaking everything.

Speaker 3 (44:46):
No, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
Currently.
I started working with atrainer and seeing big results
and we're posting a lot moretraining content now of kind of
what I'm doing in the gym, whatI'm doing with my runs.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
I mean, we had a past episode where we had this kind
of phenomenal story about thisguy, derek, you know, had a
wicked weight loss, phenomenalweight loss.

Speaker 3 (45:05):
He lost like 200 pounds.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
Oh wow, and this guy Rick the trainer that kind of
helped influence him to get tothere.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
Right yeah, this guy Rick Rick the trainer, that kind
of helped influence him to getthere Right, Like so we had the
both on the show.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
It was really cool yeah.
And and I mean you know I couldtotally see you doing that Are
you planning to kind of do anykind of coaching to get other
people?

Speaker 2 (45:20):
Eventually.
Yeah, it's kind of somethingthat's that's in the works now
and for the longest time.
Not weird about it, but Ibelieve the most important thing
is to just kind of get startedand just go do it.
I ran across Canada withouteven really having a trainer.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
Right.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
But I've kind of realized I'm a unique person.
Yeah, that's not normal, Idon't need accountability,
because I just go do it, yeah.
So yeah, that's something we'recurrently working on.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
So I'm working with my trainer and we're going to
hopefully be doing some coachingand some programs and stuff
like that.
You guys totally should,because I think people will be
receptive to that right.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
Yeah, because the biggest thing is almost more
accountability than anything.
You know what I mean, and a lotof people just kind of need
that accountability or a way toget started.
So yeah, it's currentlysomething we're working on.

Speaker 3 (46:16):
But, yeah, so that's going to be coming in the future
.
Awesome man, yeah, cool, well,cheers to you, brother.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
This was a really cool conversation.

Speaker 3 (46:19):
So yeah, it's fun.
Before we uh move over 10questions, I want to ask ryan
like you know we have to, thelisteners will want to hear it.
Okay, I want top three craziestthings that happened on your
journey across canada.
Oh man, top three, threecraziest, craziest people,
craziest stories, whatever, justsomething to you know, top
three's heavy.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
So if you just got one, that's fine, that's cool,
but if you want to give us three, we'll hear them all.
Oh man, there's so many.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
I guess I can't really talk about craziest
people, because they might bewatching this, you know?
Oh, give us one crazy person.
Well, I can say like throughdoing this, eventually we kind
of stopped staying with randompeople.
Yeah, so at the beginning wewere staying on coaches.
Yeah, Sometimes people don'tunderstand that we need to sleep

(47:04):
.
Oh yeah, and they just want totalk.
Oh yeah, and like we're attheir place, so like if they're
sitting in the bedroom with youand you're trying to be like
yeah, it's like 1 am and they'reasking you questions about like
how many pairs of shoes did youwear, and all this.
So, yeah, eventually we had tojust kind of be like, okay,
we're just gonna get hotel roomsyeah, crazy man.

(47:25):
Uh well, I guess the craziestweather would have been
newfoundland and there was dayswhere it was just miserable like
you'd have to go back and lookat my instagram, but it horrible
weather like that would have tobe a crazy one of like stalkers
not that I know, of no allright, okay, you know what.

Speaker 3 (47:44):
That's awesome, though, like if you've had a
pretty relatively normalexperience.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
Yeah that's awesome, staring at us the entire time.
Yeah, there's someone there.
She just she, just she just hitme, pointed her out, yeah yeah,
they all have your uh trackerthey're tracking me anyway so,
um, that's awesome.
Top three is crazy.
Ready to a bear, I'd say thatwould be somewhere.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
So many things that happen, like we had the some guy
at a bar try to fight my cameraguy in like northern ontario.
For no reason because he parkedover too much to drink yeah,
anyway just like random stufflike that happening or uh, like
my dad went for a run one nightwhen we were done and me and my
camera guy fell asleep in theairbnb we were at and like was

(48:25):
locked and my dad couldn't getin, so then he just like slept
in the van or like multiplenights of, like, my dad getting
no sleep because he's runningaround trying to get every like
laundry done and this and thatright, or one day, like we, did
all of our laundry and then theuh drying machine didn't work oh
, laundry justeverything was soaked so we had

(48:46):
to hang it in the van.
Okay, or like, uh, in theprairies we had a tick problem
in the van because I had a bedthat I'd laid on the ground and
stretch every morning and ticksgot on it.
So then my camera guy would belike editing, and the tick on
his ear or on his arms and stuffBrutal.
Almost got arrested in Quebec.
Like kicked off the highway.
I guess you weren't allowed torun on the highway.

(49:07):
I was on Whole crazy storythere.
But like ended up in cop carsand you ended up in a cop car, I
actually did, my girlfriend didoh, she just go wild on him or
what?
No, um, so the thing is in theback of the van, like my camera
got me back there, but therewasn't a seat belt or seats or
anything so everywhere else.

(49:28):
The cops were like this is fine,whatever right in quebec they
hated us for some reason yeah,so like I'm running on the
highway probably threekilometers, this is one stretch,
or else I have to go like 20kilometers around right, so I'm
running on this three kilometersstretch and as I'm going off
the ramp to get off it, there'slike six cop cars show up.
They get.
Oh, yeah, it was like it wascrazy.

(49:49):
I think they're just tryingprove a point.
So they come out and they'refreaking out and whatever, and
then they realize that there'sno room in the van for my camera
guy or girlfriend's there, soshe has to go into the cop car
and then they drove us allaround.
It ended up taking like twohours and then I ended up
running until I don't know 1 amthat night.

(50:10):
Had like two hours and then Iend up running until I don't
know 1 am that night had to getup at five the next day.
Just crazy stories like that.
Like the van broke down a fewtimes and just had to keep going
.
People came on the side of theroad and fixed the van with us.
I had to run like 30 kilometersalone no food was kept up to
you.
Yeah catch up to us and so it'sjust.
There's so many stories.
If anyone's listening to this,like we did YouTube videos from

(50:31):
each province, so go back andwatch them, but like there's
Cool yeah.

Speaker 3 (50:37):
Oh, that was good.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
You just gave us eight stories.
Yeah, you gave us eight.
That's good, that's awesome.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
But the tick problem in the van, that sucked.

Speaker 1 (50:43):
That'd be a really horrifying experience.
That could be an episode.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
Yeah, so you're gonna make a book.
Are you working on a kind of?

Speaker 1 (50:54):
memoir.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
I will eventually, but I want it to be like a
masterpiece.
Yeah, I want it to almost likea david goggins, where it was
like 15 years of time, right, Icould have ran across canon made
a book, but for me I just wantthat to be one chapter, right,
because I plan on doing so muchbig stuff that I'd rather put a
book out and have it be abestseller, millions of sales,
instead of of do it now and havea thousand people buy it.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
I hope that that happens and I hope we get to say
oh yeah, that guy on ourpodcast I'll come back on back
then, Come back on shooting.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
I kind of think if I can do enough undeniable stuff,
run across the country again, dothis, do that.
Eventually people are going tofollow him.

Speaker 3 (51:31):
Or you'll die One of the two.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
Yeah, it's pretty similar.
That's reality, but it's likeone thing after another, after
another.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
One of them is going to like I gained 60,000
followers in four days, orwhatever for Canada.

Speaker 3 (51:41):
That will happen again, so cool it could have
been the Florida run.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
It could be the next one I do it's just don't quit
for 15, 20 years, man man.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
I'm sure you inspire our nation.
Hopefully you inspire somebodylistening here on this show
today.
Hopefully that's really coolyeah.

Speaker 3 (51:53):
Awesome.
So now we're going to do 10questions.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
Okay, 10 questions.

Speaker 3 (51:56):
Yes, all right On the spot here, right on the spot.
These are really random, okay.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
So yeah, yeah, so they're super random.
I'll start off Matt.

Speaker 3 (52:06):
All right.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
Okay, from your final post on your 99-day run, you
cited Terry Fox as aninspiration for your journey.
Yeah, name an inspiringnon-athlete you look up to.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
My dad.
It would have to be my dad.
Perfect answer.
He taught me.
Me and him are very similar andhe taught me to push my limits.
He taught me Everything I knowis basically from him.
Yeah, he's just.
You know, he had me when he wasyoung and stuff, but I'm sure,
like when he's seeing me runacross Canada, part of him is
seeing himself Can you give mean example of when, like you

(52:41):
remember growing up, when hetaught you how to push your
limits.
Oh, I just remember going tohockey games and stuff and it
wouldn't matter if we won orlost.
You just, you just go as hardas you possibly can.
The most important thing inlife is to just try hard.
You can win, you can lose,whatever it is, but just as long
as you give 100%, we're good.

Speaker 3 (52:57):
That's an awesome answer man yeah, all right.
Question number two so what doyou value most in friendship?

Speaker 2 (53:03):
I guess loyalty, yeah , yeah, yeah, someone that's by
your side, no matter what kindSomeone who can drive a van.

Speaker 3 (53:09):
Yeah, no matter what kind of, someone wants to drive
a van, preferably with a licenseand or a camera.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
Yeah, yeah, van drivers, yeah yeah, the van
thing's hard because it's likeif I go do this again, I won't
have my dad.

Speaker 1 (53:20):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
Because, he'll get fired Unless.
I get rich and can just hirehim full time, that's true,
which I'd love to do one day,but yeah.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
Loyalty I do one day, but yeah, yeah, get loyalty I
guess for a friend.
But yeah, yeah, you gotta find,you need to.
You need to find a teacher,right yeah, yeah, see, that's it
right there.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
Find a teacher.
Okay, teacher, if any teachersare listening to this and they
will every summer you can dosomething for 60 days, yeah,
yeah that's, that's yeah I neverthought of that, ready for
another super deep question.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
So if your life was a movie, what would you call it?

Speaker 2 (53:52):
I'm still standing.
Oh, oh, that's what I call itso you know, you know that,
elton john song yeah, welistened to that a bunch across
canada.
I'm still standing kind ofgreat, you know all the crazy
stuff and I'm still standing, soperfect yeah, awesome, uh.

Speaker 3 (54:07):
So question number four so longest distance ran
without a break?

Speaker 2 (54:16):
Well, I did 250 kilometers Now, like without a
break.
I mean I'm taking little fiveten-minute breaks here and there
, but basically continuous 250?
.
Yeah, and it was in a snowstorm.
You know the Halifax Commons.
I ran laps of the Commons.

Speaker 1 (54:26):
You ran 250 in a snowstorm, dressed up like Santa
Claus, yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:29):
We raised like eight grand for Ronald McDonald's it
250 in a snowstorm.
It's messed up like Santa Claus.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
yeah, we raised like eight grand for Ronald McDonald.
It was around Christmas.
I called it the Ho-Ho 250K.
That's amazing.
It took me 44 hours, wow, andit started.
It was like minus 20 snowstorm.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
So you took like tiny breaks and stuff, just little
breaks in there.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
But like I didn't stop until like, the objective
was 250 kilometers, 44 hours ittook me.

Speaker 3 (54:49):
Amazing kilometers 44 hours.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
It took me amazing.
All right, uh question.
No, no, it's you, isn't it?
Oh sorry.
Yeah, what was your favorite tvshow growing up as a kid?
The cartoon, now I thinkcartoon, or something easier
sample on the television.
Tv show as a kid?
Yeah, you can't rememberanything like.
I don't even know any age 10,12, like, did you like?

Speaker 3 (55:09):
Sonic the.

Speaker 1 (55:10):
Hedgehog.

Speaker 3 (55:11):
Yeah, but like I think, I kind of just like
that's a good one I watched alot of.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
I was way too slow on that one.
Sonic the Hedgehog Took me likea whole minute, it's blue and
everything.
I was like oh wait, yeah, he'sreally fast that guy?

Speaker 1 (55:26):
Yeah, I don't know, gosh, was there a cartoon or
something you liked?
I don't know if I reallywatched many.
Were you a?

Speaker 2 (55:30):
Batman guy.
I like Batman.
Now, I don't know if I liked itwhen I was a kid, though Really
Maybe.
Spider-man or something likethat Okay cool.
Yeah, no, that's fine HockeyNight in Canada.
I remember watching that everySaturday.

Speaker 3 (55:40):
All right.
Question number six If youcould invent a new holiday, what
would it be?

Speaker 2 (55:46):
and why I'd invent a holiday where you only get the
holiday if you do some sort ofphysical activity.
Okay All right.
So workout day Maybe you got todo like imagine, say, there's a
race or something, and if yougo do it you get the holiday.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
I think that'd be cool.
National leg day, becauseeverybody hates leg day, yeah.
So there you go.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
It'd get people moving.
You know, I don't know how youcould do that, I don't know how
possible that would be.
But like, imagine the blue nosemarathon, but it was on a
wednesday and you got the dayoff work.
If you actually went and did it, you'll get people active, okay
I like it.

Speaker 3 (56:21):
I mean, I don't know, that's cool.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
No, that's great.
All right, finish the songlyric.
I'm gonna uh move your bodySure.
Yeah, that's great, it could bewhatever you want.

Speaker 3 (56:37):
No, you passed Question number eight.
So I know we talked a littlebit that you were into some
sweets and stuff like that asyou ran across the country.
Cotton candy ice cream Cottoncandy ice cream.
So I think you just answeredwhat I was just about to say,
but I was going to ask you whatwas your favorite ice cream.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
Cotton candy man man, I had a lot of ice cream.
Yeah, yeah, it was like my.
Every time my dad would go tolike a gas station, he'd get me
an ice cream bar.
Anytime we went by like a place, he'd get me cotton candy ice
cream.
My birthday, I got a treats apizza cake from dq.
Okay, that was.

Speaker 3 (57:10):
That was good.
Treats pizzas are good.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
Man, I haven't seen one of those in a long time.
They're delicious, they're sogood.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
I think we were in Regina for my birthday.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
Yeah, I remember those.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
Yeah, man, their treats.
A pizza is good.
You still make those, yeah,yeah, oh man, wow, hopefully
they do.
I mean I had it last numbernine to you, I think.
I mean you kind of answeredthis earlier.
So where do you want to be in10 years?
Obviously you're going to havea lot more accomplished.
Yeah, I just want to beinspirational to people.

(57:40):
Uh, I probably love to havesome records in the running the
altar, running community.
Um, yeah, it's inspired people,man, motivate, have more
followers, really like.
The more people that follow me,the more people's lives I can
change.
Yep, awesome.
More of the same, but justbigger.

Speaker 3 (57:53):
Yeah, great answer, question number 10.
That's the one that we askevery single person who comes on
the show.
So what is one piece of advicethat was given to you that you'd
like to give to us?

Speaker 2 (58:05):
One piece of advice that was given to me.
It might be generic, but I meanlife, life's pretty short and a
lot of people just do stuff thatthey don't like, like have a
job, they don't like theirrelationships or their friend
like just do what makes youhappy, just go out and push your
limits.
I mean I'd hate to be 70 yearsold and be like, oh man, I never

(58:26):
ran across canada because I hadto keep working construction,
right, yeah, and it's like,don't be afraid to take risks.
But yeah, like a lot of peoplejust get stuck in the rat race
and just hate their lives, andfor me it's like I'd rather try
to try to do this and and gocompletely broke or whatever.
It doesn't really matter to mebecause I'll have the memories.
I'll know I'm helping people.
So just find what you like.

Speaker 3 (58:47):
You can always go get a job right like, really like,
really Like, honestly.
There's another book.

Speaker 1 (58:52):
And listening to you today really inspired me to
bring this up.
This book was suggested to meby Toucan, a previous guest on
our show.
He's completely in a differentworld.
He's in the AI startup world AIyeah yeah, yeah, he's starting
up a new business, a verysuccessful entrepreneur, here in
Halifax.
One of the books he recommendedto us was the Last Lecture by

(59:19):
Randy Pausch.
Okay, last Lecture, yeah, Imean hearing your story.
And this is a guy who wrote astory when he realized he was
going to die, right, and he wasa professor and a very great one
, right, and he worked.
I guess he worked more in kindof a digital world, right, but
he was inspired by Walt Disneyand a university professor.

Speaker 3 (59:37):
One of the coolest books I ever heard and read.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
I think you'll totally love it.
You can read it or you canlisten to it on Spotify.
And it's only six hours.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
Oh, listen to it.
I love listening to stuff whenI run, yeah, so anyway, I
recommend that one to you, man,just keep keep inspiring you
because I think you're brilliant.
I love inspirational stories.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
Yeah, anything, yeah yeah, love what you're doing,
man cheers cheers.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
Thank you for coming on the podcast.
I'll be back on in 10 years andhopefully you'll have a million
followers and have inspired alot of people sooner than that
yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
Well, yeah, we'll see , I'll definitely run across
country by then.
Maybe you'll drive the van.

Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
I can do cheers, but maybe you'll drive the van A van
.
I could do Cheers, cheers.

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