In this afterWord Q&A episode, Pastors Kent, Matt, and Jeremy respond to five thoughtful questions submitted during NorthCreek’s Great Family Gathering. Their conversation ranges from lighthearted to deeply theological as they address:
1. What are your best dad jokes?
2. What is a moment or conviction from your dad that has stayed with you?
3. Does it matter which Bible translation you use?
4. How should we pray for the unsaved?
5. Does God hear the prayers of the unsaved?With Scripture and pastoral insight, the team reflects on the legacy of faithful fathers, discusses how translation choices shape understanding, and offers a biblical framework for prayer—especially on behalf of those who don’t yet believe.Scriptures referenced include Philippians 2:3–4, John 9:31, Jonah 1, and 1 Kings 21.Speaker: Pastor Kent Dresdow with Pastors Matt and JeremySeries: afterWord PodcastTopic: Fatherhood, Bible Translation, Salvation, Prayer
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Welcome to Afterward, a podcast with extended conversations
about topics that matter in lifeand ministry.
I'm joined again today by Matt and Jeremy.
Guys, welcome back. Thanks for having us.
I'm glad I'm still back. Oh, hey, listen, today we want
to do something a little different we want to do.
And we we told our congregation a couple of weeks ago for what
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we call our great family gathering, which is a very
special Sunday in life of our church where I mean, yes, we
have our little business meetingelement that's required, but we
also have blown out one Sunday ayear to be able to just
celebrate as a church family. And so all of the festivities,
all the fun, all the food was really sweet.
And we also said too, that we would want to welcome questions
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that would be submitted by the church to be answered on the
podcast. And so we opened that up and we
had a good response. A bunch of questions were
submitted to probably way too many for us to get to, but we'll
try to get into those today. So our thought would be if
you're listening in or watching that, we want to tackle as many
questions as we can and in one or probably 2 episodes, and then
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we'll see where we go from there.
So we have a whole variety of questions before us and really
thankful for how thoughtful people were.
Some people were more serious and sober and some people were
much more light hearted. And so one person submitted a
question. We'll open up with this, given
that this episode will drop right before Father's Day.
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Someone was thinking about that and they said, what are your
best dad jokes for Jeremy and Matt?
Now I guess that question is asked to me, but I'm hosting it,
so I'm just going to pop that right back over to you guys.
I have dad jokes for sure. I'm an experienced dad.
I can, I can tell them. But do you guys have any good
dad jokes you'd like to share for the sake of the, you know,
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people who are listening and. Mine is very, I asked my kids
about dad jokes and I was told, dad, you don't do great with the
jokes, but you're really funny with poems and songs.
And I am not feeling as inspiredto do that on the podcast to
drop one of my awesome songs. So I'm going to I'm going to
hold that and kick it to Jeremy for our first dad joke.
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I OK, yeah, recently I I broke my left thumb and broke it
pretty bad. But on the other hand, I'm OK.
OK, I'm trying to. You got Yeah.
No, mom. OK, All right.
It was OK. We're warming up.
Yeah, yeah. I love telling dad jokes.
Sometimes he laughs. You get that one.
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Come on man, this. Is why you don't tell you got.
Really struggling with the OK about.
Struggling. How did February get to April?
He marched. Oh nice.
OK. All right, that's good.
Yeah, that's good. I have one that normally
involves a bar, but I'll make it.
Yeah, for the sake of the kids. OK, OK.
So I like podcast. Yeah, this one's fun with my
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kids. So two horses walk into a coffee
shop, a big one and a small horse.
And so the first guy goes in andsays I'll have a coffee.
And they give him a coffee. And then the second one says
I'll have a coffee. And then he says the barista
says, oh, what's wrong with you?Oh, I'm just a little horse.
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Goodness gracious. We.
Just want to stick up my songs and poems right here.
We should just. Choose audience laughter.
You know, like the old cheesy sitcoms we used to cue the
laughter. We should do that.
My daughter and all he would be going.
Yes, yes, you know, Yeah, exactly.
I used to be like Dad. Yeah.
How do the smallest parts of your body communicate with cell
phones? For a minute there I was like,
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where are we? Going with this, I have many
more you guys, many more up my sleeve.
That took me like 2 seconds. I love that joke.
Whoever, whoever asked that question, thank you so much.
That's helpful. That's good.
Three dads. We we love it.
And for all of you out there whoare groaning and moaning about
that Happy Father's Day, it's for you.
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OK, another Father's Day question.
Quickly and seriously now, what's a moment that you recall
about your dad that you appreciated?
Like either the advice he gave or him just loving you.
What is a moment that you recallthinking about your dad where
you remember him advising you orloving you?
So this is not the same thing asthe dad joke.
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Yeah, I remember 1 when I read that question, one of the things
that stuck out to me or or jumped into my mind, it's not
necessarily like the most important thing that he's ever
said to me, but it is stuck withme now with my three boys in
particular. So I have, I have two brothers
and a sister. I grew up with that four of us
and so now I have three boys anda girl.
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And so one thing my dad caught word growing up that we're in
public and a group of friends, my brothers and I all started
making fun of each other. It started out with something
small laughed at the one and then someone else like jumped
back with something real. Well, but you're the one that
did this and then you're the onethat had like, And so all of
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these like inside family stories, not family jokes,
embarrassing moments or just really serious moments started
to come out. Just one upping each other in
the sense of tearing each other down.
I was probably junior high. I remember my dad catching word
of that and being very, very firm with us about how as a
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family we take care of each other.
We do not do that. We do not share.
You guys should be best friends,you guys.
And it just sticks out in my mind, which a moment that
captured the general tenor of our family, that our family, we
we care for one another. And it's he would do it on the
back of Philippians 2-3 and four, which now is like in our
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college ministry, which he leads.
He says it all the time, but it's still in my head, whatever
version it was. But do do nothing out of selfish
ambition or vain conceived. But in all humility, consider
others better than yourself. Each of you should not look out
only to your own interests, but also the interests of others.
How many times did I hear that? In fact, normally when he would
quote it, he would just say do nothing.
And that's all he had to say. And so that sticks out to me.
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And and so I, it's not just likethat one verse will change it
all, but both my parents raisingmyself and my siblings anchored
on the word of God and trying tobring that to bear in our lives.
I got other stories as well, butthat's just a little snapshot
into the word of God, bringing conviction to myself and others,
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but just faithfully brought by my dad at the helm, my mom too.
But Speaking of Father's Day, just very faithful to just apply
the scriptures to everyday life and I'll never forget it.
Very thankful for that. Sounds good.
Yeah, I think two things come tomind.
One, I think both of us are really thankful we have
Christian dads, right? So this is an easy question in
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some regards. And others it would be really
hard maybe to come up with some way that their dad has given
them good advice. But for me, two things come to
mind. One, my dad was a Christian
School principal and so worked with a lot of kids.
He always had a heart for the kid that would probably be the
least likely, the least popular,right?
The ones that really kind of struggled for whatever reason,
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and he had a line, he would say it just stuck with me because it
was simple love the unlovely. And so it always stuck with me
because he just had an eye for that and it was just mirroring
Christ. That's more big picture.
The other thing it sticks out. I remember my first quiz in
medical school was anatomy and the teacher that the instructor
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purposely, they gave us a quiz where none of the stuff we'd
studied was on it, None of it. So everybody in the class failed
like across the board. And we're a bunch of like, you
know, nerds. I had never gotten a grade like
that probably in my life. And I called my dad.
I'm recalling my dad being like,I don't think this is for me.
Like clearly I, I think I must have overshot or something.
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I think I maybe I need to quit, which was obviously not with a
lot of fortitude, but my dad, I remember telling me like, no,
no, look, think about all the things I've gotten you where you
are the Lord's clearly in this. You just seem to do the best you
can study hard and and do your best.
And it turns out everybody in the class studied so hard for
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the test, which carried a lot more weight.
Everybody did great. The teacher was just getting us
all the study. So it was just a technique that
was used, but it really gave me an opportunity to, to have to
rely on the Lord and to, to realize why I was there.
But my dad just drove me right back right to what why I was
there and what God had for me. So I should remember that.
That's good. What about you?
Yeah, same. I grew up in a in a Christian
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home with my dad as just super, super faithful.
I the thing I love about my parents and my dad in particular
was that he always LED us to to church.
We were there all of the time. And so in smaller churches and
in medium sized churches, he just was always committed to
being there on Sundays for as much of the Lord's Day as we
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could be there or should be there for.
I mean, it really kind of we were the family.
Whenever the church doors were open, we were there.
That was kind of who we were. And that I'm learning now, was a
commitment and a conviction of both my parents.
But my dad LED in that. And not like my mom was
begrudging that. She was right there with him in
that commitment and conviction. And so many, many Wednesday
nights different than here at this church, many Wednesday
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nights were 30 people in a junior high cafeteria over off
of monument on tile floors, on our knees with metal chairs,
folding chairs and prayer meeting.
And so now I would be praying with my dad right there and 30
other people. That was it.
But the I just, for me, it's oneof the reasons why I really am a
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big believer in like you just need to be placing yourself
under the ministry of the word. I had that conviction myself,
but I, I learned it from my dad.And so I'm really thankful for
my dad's leadership in that way and, and my parents commitment
to that in that way with church.And then I remember when I got
to college, I, I had a really good relationship with a mom all
growing up. She was, she's one that stayed
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up late when I got home late, you know, from hanging out with
my buddies and she'd be up and my dad would get up at the crack
of dawn. So he always went to sleep
earlier when I was like in junior high and high school and
that kind of thing. When I got to college and I had
questions, I started pivoting a little more toward my dad.
And that's appropriate. That's as it should be.
But that's what I remember thinking.
My dad is so wise, like he has, he has answers and counsel for
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anything I throw at him. And I, I had a lot of questions.
And so really, I've appreciated my dad's really practical wisdom
all along the way in life. And and so for the the
friendship that's grown over theyears since I've been in college
has been really sweet. So yeah, there's not so much a
moment, I think, I think this question was what moment do you
recall The thing that I think we're all saying is what, what
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convictions did my dad have? You know, and that's probably a
better answer to this question because I think you guys have
are reflecting that and carryingthat forward in the next
generation. And I am too.
And so praise the Lord for our dads in that way, right?
So it's such a blessing and rareto have dads who are being
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intentional like that. Praise the Lord.
OK, last question that maybe is a little bit easier to pivot
again, Although if you want to go, do you want to go back to
dad jokes, more dad jokes? Yeah, I can.
It's. The quality going to suffer.
Here I think the listenership will nosedive if we do.
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How about this? Another question, does it matter
which Bible translation you use?Does it matter which Bible
translation you use? Why did both of you guys look at
me? Because.
This is an ongoing. You know, this is like an
ongoing thing. So yeah, we all have our
different, different things. But I, I think the question,
though, is does it matter? Yeah.
I mean, I think you're probably going to go into more detail,
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Kent, but clearly it seems like different translations have
strengths. And so like even understanding
what the strengths of weaknessesare and then yeah, it's just a
kind of fun joke. My wife and I use different
translation. I have NASB 95 because I'm still
stuck this 20 year old Bible. And then Kara's an ESV.
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So sometimes in the sermon it'llpop up like, but the ES or but
the NASB says this and it'll be kind of a clear win or loss.
So we for a while had a little tally going of who was winning
between NASB and ESV. And it was.
Close, close. 5050 SO yeah, it'san ongoing, ongoing debate.
Yeah, and our CG, it's the same,the same thing at any.
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Time. Yeah, it doesn't matter.
I mean, we also need to state the obvious that none of us have
the are are reading it out of Greek when the original
language, right. So we're all listening to or I
mean reading translations, right.
I mean that's the question, which translation do you use?
So we're all talking about what is second best in that sense
from the original language. So we're all one step removed.
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But for me personally, I'd like,I like using whatever is I'm
hearing on Sunday over and over again.
It's I can't imagine for you like every time they're
preaching and you're, it's just,it's always a little bit off, a
little bit different. I don't even like that my older
ESV is not even the same one that you do.
Sometimes I can't figure out like, did he just substitute a
new word or is that my because I, what year did I get mine?
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2011. I got my ESV in 2011.
So I think you're 2016. Yeah, 2016 edition.
OK, Yeah, which is really small.They're just kind of yeah.
Yeah, I'm in a certain passages.It's I've started to to look for
it and so it makes a difference to me.
But for me it's ESV, but it's really one or the other.
But studying, studying you look at, I mean, it's a good idea to
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look at multiple, yeah. Yeah, I agree.
I would say, I mean we use ESV here.
We, we flipped over from NASB in2008, I think, I think it was
when MacArthur released his ESV,MacArthur study Bible.
And we, we were able to obtain 1000 copies of that or something
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that MacArthur released for us. I think that's how that worked.
I can't remember. And we've been looking at the
ESVA little bit and then we havebeen there ever since.
But I would say it's our church predominantly is ESV or an ASB.
There might be some folks who are using NIV, the Christian
Standard Bible, which is a CSB, used to be called the HCSB, the
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Holman Christian Standard Bible.So a few folks use that, and
that is a good faithful translation.
Legacy, yeah. The legacy Bible, the LSB and so
that's new in a lot of ways. The LSB that was released by I
think it was by Masters University of Press or Masters
Press Abner Chaud is such remarkable work on that.
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But really, in a lot of ways, it's I, I, as I've kind of read
through it and I use it in my study regularly.
I would say it's like a new updated NASB.
So like you're using the 95 NASBupdate from I think 1974 being
the original release. This would be like the LSB would
be the 3rd edition or the updateto the update.
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It seems like to me the most notable translational decisions
were to translate do loss. In the New Testament, the Greek
word do loss. Instead of translating it
servant by default, they've translated it slave by default.
And that's definitely an allowable translational decision
for sure. And in fact, I think in many, in
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many cases can be wise. And and Yahweh and.
And then in the Old Testament, yeah, the, the, the Hebrew
Tetragrammaton being translated Yahweh instead of Lord, capital
Lord. And that's a, that's a decision
you have to make too, right? Because you might have people
who would think that that word should not be, you should not
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insert cons or vowels, and you should not make it a word that
you pronounce. Because for years and years that
was the unpronounceable name, right?
And so you defaulted to Adonai whenever you saw YHWH in your
Hebrew Old Testament. So you know, that discussion is
one that the LSB made that decision.
And so that's good. That's not bad.
It's, it's a viable alternative.So that's the LSB.
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I think what I would summarize it to, to, to be is just over
the years as I've studied, I keep kind of a running record of
when I'm interacting with the languages.
I have no language expert Hebrewand Greek, but I do try to keep
it up. And so as I work through it in
in my sermon prep or lesson prep, I try to make sure that
I'm getting attention to translation.
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So reading a bunch of translations is good in your
study And then and then, yeah, I'm watching the ESB and the
NASB translate and it seems liketo me, this is my general
observation so you can draw yourown conclusions.
But I've been doing this for several years now.
It seems like to me that the NASB, because it's more literal,
the translation, they strive to be literal in the New Testament
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and specifically in the epistles.
It seems like their translationsare can be more helpful at
different places because becausethe Greek in the epistles in
particular is very grammaticallystructured when it comes to the
old. So I would actually think the
NSB I've observed is sometimes making good decisions there in
the Old Testament where you havemore literary device and
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literary flourish like in HebrewOld Testament poetry and
prophecy and you have to make decisions about how to translate
symbols or metaphors or images. It seems like the ESV is more
attentive to literary device andso they try to capture the force
of the device through dynamic equivalence, right.
And that commitment to that in away that makes I think better
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sense of the what the Hebrew is trying to communicate, which is
more image driven, less logically driven.
And so to me, I think I prefer the ESV, I've noticed when I
work through the Old Testament. So that's why when people are
like, what translation do you prefer?
I'm like, where are you at in your Bible reading?
Where are you at in your study? You know, I think to me somewhat
it, it depends, but I don't think it's wise for me to bring
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my Nas up for, you know, preaching through Titus and then
my ESV up the next time I work through an Old Testament
passage. I don't do that you.
Don't want to glue them together.
I don't know. Wouldn't that?
Yeah, There you go. The legacy English Bible,
standard version, something likethat, we could do that.
It's. The K.
No, not put my name on it, not doing that.
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So if that makes sense, I think that what we would want to say
is the Bible translations used at the church.
It's probably best if you just use one of the translations we
use at the church. ESV is predominant.
The Nas is also present. Those just seem like they're
sound and they're safe and they're good and they're
profitable. But we're not going to, unless
you're really drifting off into a paraphrase version that's
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very, very unconcerned about theoriginal languages, then we're
going to be like, hey, that's fine.
You're just going to find that you're like you said, you're
just kind of always knee jerkingor jerking about with how to
make sense of like, wait, where is he reading?
Wait, what verse is he in? And so forth.
So, so it does matter and that hopefully fills in some some
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understanding with different Bible translations.
There's of course a lot more to say about that, but we should
move on. How about this question?
Can I skip a little bit? How should we pray for those who
are unsaved? Often times people in like life
stage or small groups or around the life of the church speaking
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about unbelievers and wanting prayer for them.
They will ask for prayer for a broken relationship or for
healing or for wisdom in life. Sometimes those same people
won't ask for a prayer for salvation, you know, even though
they're unsaved. So so how should we pray for
those who are unsaved? And then the follow question
this this person is asking is, does God hear the prayers of the
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unsaved? If they were ever to pray for a
job or healing or a home purchase, etcetera.
And so, yeah, 22 not identical questions asked by the same
person, but two very good questions with regard to prayer
and its relationship to the unsaved.
Yeah. Can I say something before we
answer it? I noticed this question coming
up a lot in our own context where someone says pray for so
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and so because they're they're sick or pray for them for this
or whatever. And sometimes we just stop
there. So this isn't, I think it's a
great question because I whetherwe mean to or not, it seems like
a lot of times we are just praying or the prayer request is
circumstantial for the unsaved. So I think that's what he's
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getting at, but think you're going to answer the question or
start I. I really like this question
because it's it's pressing into why are we praying for him in
the 1st place? So in some ways, are we praying
for things that are very human in a way, like praying for
someone to get better, but for what purpose or what end?
Like the disease actually could be a, a grace and a blessing to
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them to press them into looking outside of themselves for a
solution, right? So in many ways, if we're asking
God to relieve them of those things, we don't know what the
Lord could have. So I think it's just a good
thought provoking question of like, how are we praying?
Are we praying for that person just to be healed, to be healed?
Or are we saying, like God, please give me opportunities in
this person's illness to open updoorways to the gospel and give
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me an opportunity to, to be in the trench with them for the
purpose of pointing them to Christ, the ultimate physician,
the, the one who can true bring true healing, not of their body,
but of their soul. So I agree, I, I wish we all
thought this way all the time. When we pray, we need to be
really thoughtful on how we're doing that.
So yeah, it's really helpful. I agree, Matt, I think this is,
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I'm so encouraged by this brother who asked this question
because it does seem like we canstill pray for the things that
that person, let's say it's in alife stage class.
Pray for my aunt. She's not saved.
She's having, you know, a major battle with some health issue.
Just pray for recovery. What we want to we want to do
that just in God's common grace.But but I love that I love that
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I and also Lord, while they're walk walking through this, would
you please direct them to Christ, Please help them to see
the glories of the gospel. Send them someone who will give
them the good news. You know, there's so much more
to pray for for an unbeliever than just the the relationship
strain or the healing from the sickness or the wisdom for, you
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know, a new job or whatever. So yes, pray for those things
and then also pray for the the gospel to breakthrough through
those things that need prayer too.
In other words, like, wouldn't you say, man, the common grace
that we're asking for, God brings saving grace into view,
right? And so I love, I love your
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answer, Matt. It's really helpful.
And I love this question too. Yeah, I do the same thing with
my kids. That's usually where my mind
goes when I think about this, when my, my right now, my
youngest son's on this kick of asking for the same three things
when I pray at night and you know, I'm not going to go
through them, but they're, they're minor.
They're they're not saving, put it that way.
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OK, Am I going to say no, God doesn't care about those things.
I don't even know if you're saved anyway.
So I'm not going to pray for that.
I'm only going to pray for your salvation.
No, I'm taking what it is that he's, he cares about.
But then I'm going to do what you're just saying, and I'm
going to I'm going to pray for you that the night would go
fast, or I'm going to pray for you for whatever the things that
he's asking. But I'm also going to say, oh,
Lord, but show him that he can lean on you and show him that
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that he can trust in you. And when he wakes up in the
middle of the night, he doesn't need to be scared that you are a
rock. You are a fortress.
Show him that. Open his eyes to see that.
Anyway. So that's what I do with my
kids. Yeah.
Well, that's really easily translatable, even in an adult
standpoint. Someone wants safe travel for
whatever. OK, OK.
I'll pray for safe travel. Life's a lot more about a lot
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more than safe travel. And so we'll just marry the two
things together, yeah. Really good man.
That second question, guys, we want to in the maybe the last
couple minutes here, does God hear the prayers of the unsaved?
And this is again a second really good question on the
topic of the relationship of prayer with the unbeliever.
So any thoughts on that? Yeah, we were thinking through
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like examples Biblic, like where's the Bible talk about
this? And most of the ones that we
were recalling or looking up dealt with God hearing an
unbeliever, but their prayer wasfor salvation or a lot of times
that the unbeliever would say toa prophet, for example, play
pray to your God on my behalf for these things or to relieve
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me from this. So does God hear the prayers of
the unsaved? Well, here's everything, right?
So we know he's aware of them. How he answers them, though, is
I think there's some distinctionto be made there between the
saved and the unsaved. But God does seem to hear the
call for mercy and repentance. Yeah.
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Yeah, first King, first Kings 21.
It was interesting, one of the ones examples I pulled up where
Ahab fast and mourns over Elijah's prophecy and then God
responds by not bringing about the calamity that he's going to
bring about and he habs time so he hears him there.
Just there's not a lot of examples though of the Lord
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hearing and answering positivelyto their to their prayers.
He doesn't promise to do that. Right, that's correct.
Yeah, and you'll hear examples even in church history of
somebody saying a prayer with a condition like God.
If you hear this, I will like and you answer me.
I will trust you all my days, right.
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And actually sometimes that leads to what appears to be
genuine repentance. Some like very well known men of
the faith. Well.
We just had one, a guy at our church, it was baptized and that
was. His, yes, he said almost just
like that. And you would have been unsaved
saying that for sure. And then God uses those like
probably just naive prayers, like I don't even know what I'm
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praying. I'm just asking for this.
And the Lord kindly takes that naivety and then turns it into
salvation. Yeah.
So pretty sweet. Well, don't you think every time
someone calls upon the name of the Lord to be saved, they're
they're an unbeliever who's praying to God?
I think that's the pattern. I was just looking at Jonah, one
where the sailors are about ready to toss Jonah into the
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sea. And in verse 14 they call out to
the Lord and it's capital Lord. So they're calling out to
Yahweh. O Lord, let us not perish for
this man's life, and lay not on US innocent blood, for you, O
Lord, have done as it pleased you.
So they picked Jonah up and tossed him into the sea.
Then the the men feared the Lordexceedingly and they offered a
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sacrifice to the Lord and they made vows.
I mean, that seems to me now they could be polytheistic,
right? They could just be adding Yahweh
to the pantheon of the gods theyserve.
But it seems like that's in another example.
Cornelius is another example. The thief on the cross is
another example. Every occurrence it seems like
you have of unbelievers crying out.
They're crying out to be saved, to not perish.
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And you know, gentlemen could bethat they want to be saved from
physical death, but then why do they then offer sacrifices and
and vows they they swear their allegiance to Yahweh.
So it does seem like salvation is in view biblically.
And so that would inform the answer to this question.
But we don't know, right? We can't be definitive because
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the Bible doesn't say. God never answers the prayer of
the unbeliever with that Bible doesn't say that.
It does say something similar. Yeah, John 931 We know that God
does not listen to sinners, but if anyone's a worshiper of God
and does his will, God listens to.
So yeah. So it is interesting to think
about. So generally, what we want to
say is that's true. And then the the cry for mercy,
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the cry for salvation is true. And beyond that, we should be
careful to say what the Bible says and not say what it doesn't
say. So great questions there.
Listen, we have a lot more questions, guys, to get to and
we'll pick that up next week in our next episode.
So make sure that if you're listening in or watching, you
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Welcome to Afterward, a podcast with extended conversations
about topics that matter in lifeand ministry.
I'm joined again today by Matt and Jeremy.
Guys, welcome back. Thanks for having us.
I'm glad I'm still back. Oh, hey, listen, today we want
to do something a little different we want to do.
And we we told our congregation a couple of weeks ago for what
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we call our great family gathering, which is a very
special Sunday in life of our church where I mean, yes, we
have our little business meetingelement that's required, but we
also have blown out one Sunday ayear to be able to just
celebrate as a church family. And so all of the festivities,
all the fun, all the food was really sweet.
And we also said too, that we would want to welcome questions
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that would be submitted by the church to be answered on the
podcast. And so we opened that up and we
had a good response. A bunch of questions were
submitted to probably way too many for us to get to, but we'll
try to get into those today. So our thought would be if
you're listening in or watching that, we want to tackle as many
questions as we can and in one or probably 2 episodes, and then
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we'll see where we go from there.
So we have a whole variety of questions before us and really
thankful for how thoughtful people were.
Some people were more serious and sober and some people were
much more light hearted. And so one person submitted a
question. We'll open up with this, given
that this episode will drop right before Father's Day.
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Someone was thinking about that and they said, what are your
best dad jokes for Jeremy and Matt?
Now I guess that question is asked to me, but I'm hosting it,
so I'm just going to pop that right back over to you guys.
I have dad jokes for sure. I'm an experienced dad.
I can, I can tell them. But do you guys have any good
dad jokes you'd like to share for the sake of the, you know,
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people who are listening and. Mine is very, I asked my kids
about dad jokes and I was told, dad, you don't do great with the
jokes, but you're really funny with poems and songs.
And I am not feeling as inspiredto do that on the podcast to
drop one of my awesome songs. So I'm going to I'm going to
hold that and kick it to Jeremy for our first dad joke.
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I OK, yeah, recently I I broke my left thumb and broke it
pretty bad. But on the other hand, I'm OK.
OK, I'm trying to. You got Yeah.
No, mom. OK, All right.
It was OK. We're warming up.
Yeah, yeah. I love telling dad jokes.
Sometimes he laughs. You get that one.
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Come on man, this. Is why you don't tell you got.
Really struggling with the OK about.
Struggling. How did February get to April?
He marched. Oh nice.
OK. All right, that's good.
Yeah, that's good. I have one that normally
involves a bar, but I'll make it.
Yeah, for the sake of the kids. OK, OK.
So I like podcast. Yeah, this one's fun with my
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kids. So two horses walk into a coffee
shop, a big one and a small horse.
And so the first guy goes in andsays I'll have a coffee.
And they give him a coffee. And then the second one says
I'll have a coffee. And then he says the barista
says, oh, what's wrong with you?Oh, I'm just a little horse.
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Goodness gracious. We.
Just want to stick up my songs and poems right here.
We should just. Choose audience laughter.
You know, like the old cheesy sitcoms we used to cue the
laughter. We should do that.
My daughter and all he would be going.
Yes, yes, you know, Yeah, exactly.
I used to be like Dad. Yeah.
How do the smallest parts of your body communicate with cell
phones? For a minute there I was like,
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where are we? Going with this, I have many
more you guys, many more up my sleeve.
That took me like 2 seconds. I love that joke.
Whoever, whoever asked that question, thank you so much.
That's helpful. That's good.
Three dads. We we love it.
And for all of you out there whoare groaning and moaning about
that Happy Father's Day, it's for you.
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OK, another Father's Day question.
Quickly and seriously now, what's a moment that you recall
about your dad that you appreciated?
Like either the advice he gave or him just loving you.
What is a moment that you recallthinking about your dad where
you remember him advising you orloving you?
So this is not the same thing asthe dad joke.
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Yeah, I remember 1 when I read that question, one of the things
that stuck out to me or or jumped into my mind, it's not
necessarily like the most important thing that he's ever
said to me, but it is stuck withme now with my three boys in
particular. So I have, I have two brothers
and a sister. I grew up with that four of us
and so now I have three boys anda girl.
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And so one thing my dad caught word growing up that we're in
public and a group of friends, my brothers and I all started
making fun of each other. It started out with something
small laughed at the one and then someone else like jumped
back with something real. Well, but you're the one that
did this and then you're the onethat had like, And so all of
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these like inside family stories, not family jokes,
embarrassing moments or just really serious moments started
to come out. Just one upping each other in
the sense of tearing each other down.
I was probably junior high. I remember my dad catching word
of that and being very, very firm with us about how as a
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family we take care of each other.
We do not do that. We do not share.
You guys should be best friends,you guys.
And it just sticks out in my mind, which a moment that
captured the general tenor of our family, that our family, we
we care for one another. And it's he would do it on the
back of Philippians 2-3 and four, which now is like in our
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college ministry, which he leads.
He says it all the time, but it's still in my head, whatever
version it was. But do do nothing out of selfish
ambition or vain conceived. But in all humility, consider
others better than yourself. Each of you should not look out
only to your own interests, but also the interests of others.
How many times did I hear that? In fact, normally when he would
quote it, he would just say do nothing.
And that's all he had to say. And so that sticks out to me.
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And and so I, it's not just likethat one verse will change it
all, but both my parents raisingmyself and my siblings anchored
on the word of God and trying tobring that to bear in our lives.
I got other stories as well, butthat's just a little snapshot
into the word of God, bringing conviction to myself and others,
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but just faithfully brought by my dad at the helm, my mom too.
But Speaking of Father's Day, just very faithful to just apply
the scriptures to everyday life and I'll never forget it.
Very thankful for that. Sounds good.
Yeah, I think two things come tomind.
One, I think both of us are really thankful we have
Christian dads, right? So this is an easy question in
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some regards. And others it would be really
hard maybe to come up with some way that their dad has given
them good advice. But for me, two things come to
mind. One, my dad was a Christian
School principal and so worked with a lot of kids.
He always had a heart for the kid that would probably be the
least likely, the least popular,right?
The ones that really kind of struggled for whatever reason,
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and he had a line, he would say it just stuck with me because it
was simple love the unlovely. And so it always stuck with me
because he just had an eye for that and it was just mirroring
Christ. That's more big picture.
The other thing it sticks out. I remember my first quiz in
medical school was anatomy and the teacher that the instructor
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purposely, they gave us a quiz where none of the stuff we'd
studied was on it, None of it. So everybody in the class failed
like across the board. And we're a bunch of like, you
know, nerds. I had never gotten a grade like
that probably in my life. And I called my dad.
I'm recalling my dad being like,I don't think this is for me.
Like clearly I, I think I must have overshot or something.
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I think I maybe I need to quit, which was obviously not with a
lot of fortitude, but my dad, I remember telling me like, no,
no, look, think about all the things I've gotten you where you
are the Lord's clearly in this. You just seem to do the best you
can study hard and and do your best.
And it turns out everybody in the class studied so hard for
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the test, which carried a lot more weight.
Everybody did great. The teacher was just getting us
all the study. So it was just a technique that
was used, but it really gave me an opportunity to, to have to
rely on the Lord and to, to realize why I was there.
But my dad just drove me right back right to what why I was
there and what God had for me. So I should remember that.
That's good. What about you?
Yeah, same. I grew up in a in a Christian
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home with my dad as just super, super faithful.
I the thing I love about my parents and my dad in particular
was that he always LED us to to church.
We were there all of the time. And so in smaller churches and
in medium sized churches, he just was always committed to
being there on Sundays for as much of the Lord's Day as we
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could be there or should be there for.
I mean, it really kind of we were the family.
Whenever the church doors were open, we were there.
That was kind of who we were. And that I'm learning now, was a
commitment and a conviction of both my parents.
But my dad LED in that. And not like my mom was
begrudging that. She was right there with him in
that commitment and conviction. And so many, many Wednesday
nights different than here at this church, many Wednesday
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nights were 30 people in a junior high cafeteria over off
of monument on tile floors, on our knees with metal chairs,
folding chairs and prayer meeting.
And so now I would be praying with my dad right there and 30
other people. That was it.
But the I just, for me, it's oneof the reasons why I really am a
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big believer in like you just need to be placing yourself
under the ministry of the word. I had that conviction myself,
but I, I learned it from my dad.And so I'm really thankful for
my dad's leadership in that way and, and my parents commitment
to that in that way with church.And then I remember when I got
to college, I, I had a really good relationship with a mom all
growing up. She was, she's one that stayed
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up late when I got home late, you know, from hanging out with
my buddies and she'd be up and my dad would get up at the crack
of dawn. So he always went to sleep
earlier when I was like in junior high and high school and
that kind of thing. When I got to college and I had
questions, I started pivoting a little more toward my dad.
And that's appropriate. That's as it should be.
But that's what I remember thinking.
My dad is so wise, like he has, he has answers and counsel for
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anything I throw at him. And I, I had a lot of questions.
And so really, I've appreciated my dad's really practical wisdom
all along the way in life. And and so for the the
friendship that's grown over theyears since I've been in college
has been really sweet. So yeah, there's not so much a
moment, I think, I think this question was what moment do you
recall The thing that I think we're all saying is what, what
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convictions did my dad have? You know, and that's probably a
better answer to this question because I think you guys have
are reflecting that and carryingthat forward in the next
generation. And I am too.
And so praise the Lord for our dads in that way, right?
So it's such a blessing and rareto have dads who are being
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intentional like that. Praise the Lord.
OK, last question that maybe is a little bit easier to pivot
again, Although if you want to go, do you want to go back to
dad jokes, more dad jokes? Yeah, I can.
It's. The quality going to suffer.
Here I think the listenership will nosedive if we do.
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How about this? Another question, does it matter
which Bible translation you use?Does it matter which Bible
translation you use? Why did both of you guys look at
me? Because.
This is an ongoing. You know, this is like an
ongoing thing. So yeah, we all have our
different, different things. But I, I think the question,
though, is does it matter? Yeah.
I mean, I think you're probably going to go into more detail,
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Kent, but clearly it seems like different translations have
strengths. And so like even understanding
what the strengths of weaknessesare and then yeah, it's just a
kind of fun joke. My wife and I use different
translation. I have NASB 95 because I'm still
stuck this 20 year old Bible. And then Kara's an ESV.
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So sometimes in the sermon it'llpop up like, but the ES or but
the NASB says this and it'll be kind of a clear win or loss.
So we for a while had a little tally going of who was winning
between NASB and ESV. And it was.
Close, close. 5050 SO yeah, it'san ongoing, ongoing debate.
Yeah, and our CG, it's the same,the same thing at any.
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Time. Yeah, it doesn't matter.
I mean, we also need to state the obvious that none of us have
the are are reading it out of Greek when the original
language, right. So we're all listening to or I
mean reading translations, right.
I mean that's the question, which translation do you use?
So we're all talking about what is second best in that sense
from the original language. So we're all one step removed.
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But for me personally, I'd like,I like using whatever is I'm
hearing on Sunday over and over again.
It's I can't imagine for you like every time they're
preaching and you're, it's just,it's always a little bit off, a
little bit different. I don't even like that my older
ESV is not even the same one that you do.
Sometimes I can't figure out like, did he just substitute a
new word or is that my because I, what year did I get mine?
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2011. I got my ESV in 2011.
So I think you're 2016. Yeah, 2016 edition.
OK, Yeah, which is really small.They're just kind of yeah.
Yeah, I'm in a certain passages.It's I've started to to look for
it and so it makes a difference to me.
But for me it's ESV, but it's really one or the other.
But studying, studying you look at, I mean, it's a good idea to
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look at multiple, yeah. Yeah, I agree.
I would say, I mean we use ESV here.
We, we flipped over from NASB in2008, I think, I think it was
when MacArthur released his ESV,MacArthur study Bible.
And we, we were able to obtain 1000 copies of that or something
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that MacArthur released for us. I think that's how that worked.
I can't remember. And we've been looking at the
ESVA little bit and then we havebeen there ever since.
But I would say it's our church predominantly is ESV or an ASB.
There might be some folks who are using NIV, the Christian
Standard Bible, which is a CSB, used to be called the HCSB, the
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Holman Christian Standard Bible.So a few folks use that, and
that is a good faithful translation.
Legacy, yeah. The legacy Bible, the LSB and so
that's new in a lot of ways. The LSB that was released by I
think it was by Masters University of Press or Masters
Press Abner Chaud is such remarkable work on that.
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But really, in a lot of ways, it's I, I, as I've kind of read
through it and I use it in my study regularly.
I would say it's like a new updated NASB.
So like you're using the 95 NASBupdate from I think 1974 being
the original release. This would be like the LSB would
be the 3rd edition or the updateto the update.
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It seems like to me the most notable translational decisions
were to translate do loss. In the New Testament, the Greek
word do loss. Instead of translating it
servant by default, they've translated it slave by default.
And that's definitely an allowable translational decision
for sure. And in fact, I think in many, in
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many cases can be wise. And and Yahweh and.
And then in the Old Testament, yeah, the, the, the Hebrew
Tetragrammaton being translated Yahweh instead of Lord, capital
Lord. And that's a, that's a decision
you have to make too, right? Because you might have people
who would think that that word should not be, you should not
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insert cons or vowels, and you should not make it a word that
you pronounce. Because for years and years that
was the unpronounceable name, right?
And so you defaulted to Adonai whenever you saw YHWH in your
Hebrew Old Testament. So you know, that discussion is
one that the LSB made that decision.
And so that's good. That's not bad.
It's, it's a viable alternative.So that's the LSB.
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I think what I would summarize it to, to, to be is just over
the years as I've studied, I keep kind of a running record of
when I'm interacting with the languages.
I have no language expert Hebrewand Greek, but I do try to keep
it up. And so as I work through it in
in my sermon prep or lesson prep, I try to make sure that
I'm getting attention to translation.
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So reading a bunch of translations is good in your
study And then and then, yeah, I'm watching the ESB and the
NASB translate and it seems liketo me, this is my general
observation so you can draw yourown conclusions.
But I've been doing this for several years now.
It seems like to me that the NASB, because it's more literal,
the translation, they strive to be literal in the New Testament
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and specifically in the epistles.
It seems like their translationsare can be more helpful at
different places because becausethe Greek in the epistles in
particular is very grammaticallystructured when it comes to the
old. So I would actually think the
NSB I've observed is sometimes making good decisions there in
the Old Testament where you havemore literary device and
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literary flourish like in HebrewOld Testament poetry and
prophecy and you have to make decisions about how to translate
symbols or metaphors or images. It seems like the ESV is more
attentive to literary device andso they try to capture the force
of the device through dynamic equivalence, right.
And that commitment to that in away that makes I think better
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sense of the what the Hebrew is trying to communicate, which is
more image driven, less logically driven.
And so to me, I think I prefer the ESV, I've noticed when I
work through the Old Testament. So that's why when people are
like, what translation do you prefer?
I'm like, where are you at in your Bible reading?
Where are you at in your study? You know, I think to me somewhat
it, it depends, but I don't think it's wise for me to bring
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my Nas up for, you know, preaching through Titus and then
my ESV up the next time I work through an Old Testament
passage. I don't do that you.
Don't want to glue them together.
I don't know. Wouldn't that?
Yeah, There you go. The legacy English Bible,
standard version, something likethat, we could do that.
It's. The K.
No, not put my name on it, not doing that.
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So if that makes sense, I think that what we would want to say
is the Bible translations used at the church.
It's probably best if you just use one of the translations we
use at the church. ESV is predominant.
The Nas is also present. Those just seem like they're
sound and they're safe and they're good and they're
profitable. But we're not going to, unless
you're really drifting off into a paraphrase version that's
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very, very unconcerned about theoriginal languages, then we're
going to be like, hey, that's fine.
You're just going to find that you're like you said, you're
just kind of always knee jerkingor jerking about with how to
make sense of like, wait, where is he reading?
Wait, what verse is he in? And so forth.
So, so it does matter and that hopefully fills in some some
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understanding with different Bible translations.
There's of course a lot more to say about that, but we should
move on. How about this question?
Can I skip a little bit? How should we pray for those who
are unsaved? Often times people in like life
stage or small groups or around the life of the church speaking
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about unbelievers and wanting prayer for them.
They will ask for prayer for a broken relationship or for
healing or for wisdom in life. Sometimes those same people
won't ask for a prayer for salvation, you know, even though
they're unsaved. So so how should we pray for
those who are unsaved? And then the follow question
this this person is asking is, does God hear the prayers of the
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unsaved? If they were ever to pray for a
job or healing or a home purchase, etcetera.
And so, yeah, 22 not identical questions asked by the same
person, but two very good questions with regard to prayer
and its relationship to the unsaved.
Yeah. Can I say something before we
answer it? I noticed this question coming
up a lot in our own context where someone says pray for so
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and so because they're they're sick or pray for them for this
or whatever. And sometimes we just stop
there. So this isn't, I think it's a
great question because I whetherwe mean to or not, it seems like
a lot of times we are just praying or the prayer request is
circumstantial for the unsaved. So I think that's what he's
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getting at, but think you're going to answer the question or
start I. I really like this question
because it's it's pressing into why are we praying for him in
the 1st place? So in some ways, are we praying
for things that are very human in a way, like praying for
someone to get better, but for what purpose or what end?
Like the disease actually could be a, a grace and a blessing to
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them to press them into looking outside of themselves for a
solution, right? So in many ways, if we're asking
God to relieve them of those things, we don't know what the
Lord could have. So I think it's just a good
thought provoking question of like, how are we praying?
Are we praying for that person just to be healed, to be healed?
Or are we saying, like God, please give me opportunities in
this person's illness to open updoorways to the gospel and give
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me an opportunity to, to be in the trench with them for the
purpose of pointing them to Christ, the ultimate physician,
the, the one who can true bring true healing, not of their body,
but of their soul. So I agree, I, I wish we all
thought this way all the time. When we pray, we need to be
really thoughtful on how we're doing that.
So yeah, it's really helpful. I agree, Matt, I think this is,
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I'm so encouraged by this brother who asked this question
because it does seem like we canstill pray for the things that
that person, let's say it's in alife stage class.
Pray for my aunt. She's not saved.
She's having, you know, a major battle with some health issue.
Just pray for recovery. What we want to we want to do
that just in God's common grace.But but I love that I love that
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I and also Lord, while they're walk walking through this, would
you please direct them to Christ, Please help them to see
the glories of the gospel. Send them someone who will give
them the good news. You know, there's so much more
to pray for for an unbeliever than just the the relationship
strain or the healing from the sickness or the wisdom for, you
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know, a new job or whatever. So yes, pray for those things
and then also pray for the the gospel to breakthrough through
those things that need prayer too.
In other words, like, wouldn't you say, man, the common grace
that we're asking for, God brings saving grace into view,
right? And so I love, I love your
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answer, Matt. It's really helpful.
And I love this question too. Yeah, I do the same thing with
my kids. That's usually where my mind
goes when I think about this, when my, my right now, my
youngest son's on this kick of asking for the same three things
when I pray at night and you know, I'm not going to go
through them, but they're, they're minor.
They're they're not saving, put it that way.
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OK, Am I going to say no, God doesn't care about those things.
I don't even know if you're saved anyway.
So I'm not going to pray for that.
I'm only going to pray for your salvation.
No, I'm taking what it is that he's, he cares about.
But then I'm going to do what you're just saying, and I'm
going to I'm going to pray for you that the night would go
fast, or I'm going to pray for you for whatever the things that
he's asking. But I'm also going to say, oh,
Lord, but show him that he can lean on you and show him that
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that he can trust in you. And when he wakes up in the
middle of the night, he doesn't need to be scared that you are a
rock. You are a fortress.
Show him that. Open his eyes to see that.
Anyway. So that's what I do with my
kids. Yeah.
Well, that's really easily translatable, even in an adult
standpoint. Someone wants safe travel for
whatever. OK, OK.
I'll pray for safe travel. Life's a lot more about a lot
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more than safe travel. And so we'll just marry the two
things together, yeah. Really good man.
That second question, guys, we want to in the maybe the last
couple minutes here, does God hear the prayers of the unsaved?
And this is again a second really good question on the
topic of the relationship of prayer with the unbeliever.
So any thoughts on that? Yeah, we were thinking through
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like examples Biblic, like where's the Bible talk about
this? And most of the ones that we
were recalling or looking up dealt with God hearing an
unbeliever, but their prayer wasfor salvation or a lot of times
that the unbeliever would say toa prophet, for example, play
pray to your God on my behalf for these things or to relieve
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me from this. So does God hear the prayers of
the unsaved? Well, here's everything, right?
So we know he's aware of them. How he answers them, though, is
I think there's some distinctionto be made there between the
saved and the unsaved. But God does seem to hear the
call for mercy and repentance. Yeah.
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Yeah, first King, first Kings 21.
It was interesting, one of the ones examples I pulled up where
Ahab fast and mourns over Elijah's prophecy and then God
responds by not bringing about the calamity that he's going to
bring about and he habs time so he hears him there.
Just there's not a lot of examples though of the Lord
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hearing and answering positivelyto their to their prayers.
He doesn't promise to do that. Right, that's correct.
Yeah, and you'll hear examples even in church history of
somebody saying a prayer with a condition like God.
If you hear this, I will like and you answer me.
I will trust you all my days, right.
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And actually sometimes that leads to what appears to be
genuine repentance. Some like very well known men of
the faith. Well.
We just had one, a guy at our church, it was baptized and that
was. His, yes, he said almost just
like that. And you would have been unsaved
saying that for sure. And then God uses those like
probably just naive prayers, like I don't even know what I'm
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praying. I'm just asking for this.
And the Lord kindly takes that naivety and then turns it into
salvation. Yeah.
So pretty sweet. Well, don't you think every time
someone calls upon the name of the Lord to be saved, they're
they're an unbeliever who's praying to God?
I think that's the pattern. I was just looking at Jonah, one
where the sailors are about ready to toss Jonah into the
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sea. And in verse 14 they call out to
the Lord and it's capital Lord. So they're calling out to
Yahweh. O Lord, let us not perish for
this man's life, and lay not on US innocent blood, for you, O
Lord, have done as it pleased you.
So they picked Jonah up and tossed him into the sea.
Then the the men feared the Lordexceedingly and they offered a
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sacrifice to the Lord and they made vows.
I mean, that seems to me now they could be polytheistic,
right? They could just be adding Yahweh
to the pantheon of the gods theyserve.
But it seems like that's in another example.
Cornelius is another example. The thief on the cross is
another example. Every occurrence it seems like
you have of unbelievers crying out.
They're crying out to be saved, to not perish.
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And you know, gentlemen could bethat they want to be saved from
physical death, but then why do they then offer sacrifices and
and vows they they swear their allegiance to Yahweh.
So it does seem like salvation is in view biblically.
And so that would inform the answer to this question.
But we don't know, right? We can't be definitive because
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the Bible doesn't say. God never answers the prayer of
the unbeliever with that Bible doesn't say that.
It does say something similar. Yeah, John 931 We know that God
does not listen to sinners, but if anyone's a worshiper of God
and does his will, God listens to.
So yeah. So it is interesting to think
about. So generally, what we want to
say is that's true. And then the the cry for mercy,
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the cry for salvation is true. And beyond that, we should be
careful to say what the Bible says and not say what it doesn't
say. So great questions there.
Listen, we have a lot more questions, guys, to get to and
we'll pick that up next week in our next episode.
So make sure that if you're listening in or watching, you
join us again for the next episode of Afterward podcast
with extended conversations about topics that matter in
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life. Thanks so much for joining us,
guys. We'll see you next week.
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