August 16, 2024 • 45 mins
Ever wondered why your hair seems to be thinning without any clear reason? Join us as we demystify the complex relationship between hormones and hair loss with our esteemed guest, Misti Barnes. A trichologist and physician, Misti shares her groundbreaking research and drug-free solutions, shedding light on conditions like menopausal hair loss and female pattern baldness. Learn how the hormone dihydrotestosterone (DHT) plays a crucial role in hair follicle health, impacting both men and women, and gain a deeper understanding of the term "alopecia" and its various manifestations.
But it doesn’t stop at hair. We dive deep into the pivotal role of nutrition in overall health and how dietary choices can profoundly influence your well-being. Through a powerful personal story, we highlight the transformative effects of a balanced diet rich in core proteins, alongside the challenges posed by GMOs and chemical pollutants in modern food. Discover how adopting a Mediterranean or pescatarian diet can not only improve hair and skin health but also aid in overcoming severe illnesses, emphasizing the importance of educated food choices and personal accountability in health management.
Wrapping up, we explore innovative, holistic treatments for hair loss that sidestep medications and surgeries. Learn about the benefits of peptides, microneedling, ozone therapy, and the exciting advances in regenerative medicine. Misty shares inspiring case studies, including significant hair regrowth in patients with autoimmune conditions, and stresses the importance of gut health and the endocrine system. Finally, we touch on the emotional journey towards confidence and empowerment, sharing stories of patient successes and the vital role of compassion and scientific validation in the medical field. Join us for an episode packed with valuable insights and transformative knowledge!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome back to the Against All Odds the Less Than
1% Chance podcast with your host, Maria Aponte, where we will
hear stories of incrediblepeople thriving against all odds
, and my hope is that we can allsee how life is always
happening for us, even when weare the Less Than 1% Chance.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hey, hey, welcome back to, against All Odds, the
Less Than 1% Chance podcast withyour host, maria Aponte.
I am so excited to introduceyou to this week's guest.
Her name is Misty Barnes andshe is a trichologist, physician
, trainer and researcher whotreats hair loss with a patent
(00:42):
drug free treatment.
She formulated Celestrian hairrejuvenation with biochemist,
l'oreal and Aveda, with 40 plushair patents.
That's amazing.
I am so excited to get in thisand, as we were talking earlier,
I'm postmenopausal, so all ofthis is so interesting to me and
(01:05):
I'm learning so much as I amreally feeling the effects of
this postmenopause.
What you're doing is right upmy alley and I can't wait to
learn more, so welcome.
Thank you for being on.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Thank you, thanks for having me.
This is a really importantsubject and I think it's often
neglected, especially in thearea of hair loss.
I'm going through it.
Most of us don't really discussit.
We were talking about thatearlier.
It's a source of shame forpeople, so I say let's shine a
light on it and talk about it.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Yeah, absolutely so.
It's twofold right?
We don't want to talk abouthair loss, because I remember
when I was dealing with my ownlittle piece of hair loss, it
was just like this random circlein the middle of my head.
I like did everything to coverit and I'm like, oh my god, I
was freaking out and I didn'tever put it together that it was
(02:02):
hormonal and postmenopausal.
So this is all down my alleyand I am so excited to learn
some more.
So just to get some idea, howis menopausal hair loss
different from, like, femalepattern baldness?
Great question.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
So both.
So I'll just back up a littlebit.
When it comes to female patternbaldness, it's more of a rarity
than people think.
Where we're seeing, where I see, female pattern baldness is
usually related to menopausesituation, medication, pcos,
which is that goes right back tohormones as well.
A lot of female based hair lossis hormone related.
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It's hard to separate the twoout.
When I have someone come intomy office.
It's really rare that it's justtraditional female pattern
baldness that is related towhat's called
dihydrotestosterone, which isDHT we all know.
So when you look at thecategories of male pattern hair
loss and female pattern hairloss, generally they'll put them
(03:18):
in the category of both ofthose are considered DHT related
androgenetic, which ultimatelymeans that it came from some of
our genetics.
In most instances right Well,most genetic-based hair loss,
it's really only 30%.
A lot of this is related tobehaviors, lifestyle, toxicities
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, inflammation, hormones,medication.
So we have a lot more controlover our hair loss.
But strictly androgenicandrogenetic alopecia, which is
called male or female patternhair loss, is related to how the
dihydrotestosterone, thetestosterone that's at the
follicle base, is being absorbedand how it's affecting the
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follicles.
So they are two separatediagnoses but a lot of times
they get wrapped into the samediagnosis, if you will.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Got it.
Follow up question on that.
So regular, let's say femalepattern baldness, that's
testosterone or low testosterone.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
No, ah, that's a great question.
So how it works is this we allhave our own regulated estrogen
and testosterone levels,progesterone, estradiol all of
the things that make us females.
We have our own sort ofchemistry and it's very unique
to each person and the same withmen.
They make a lot of the sameandrogenic hormones, which are
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all related to sexualfunctioning and the certain, the
basis for who we are as male orfemale.
What pattern baldness says isthat there is a way that the
testosterone is being impactedby something at the follicle
base called alpha-5 reductase.
So basically, what we're sayingis that underneath the follicle
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, in the follicle, which is thedermal papilla layer, we have
our follicle and what'shappening is around that
follicle there's blood, so theblood vessels are actually being
intercepted.
The testosterone that'sfloating in that blood supply is
being intercepted by somethingcalled an alpha five, which is
an enzyme, and when that happens, over time the hair starts
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miniaturizing and what they callthat is what that interception
is called is dihydrotestosterone.
So it's testosterone that'sbeen interfered with by the
alpha-5 reductase, which is anenzyme, and that's occurring in
the follicle base.
So, just to separate that outeven further, we have
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testosterone going through allof our body.
Right, it's not just in ourblood that's called serum-based
testosterone but we also have itin our tissues.
That's called tissue-basedtestosterone.
So a lot of times people willsay, oh, I have too much
testosterone, that's why I'mlosing my hair.
That has nothing to do with it,because the amount of
testosterone we need for ourblood supply for males or
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females versus in our tissues isvery different.
What happens is there's animbalance.
And when there's that imbalanceand when the follicle itself
gets interrupted because of thatimbalance, that's when you go
to what's called genetic ortestosterone based hair loss.
Dht dihydrogen.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Got it, got it.
That is so interesting, and sois alopecia in that.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
So alopecia is just another way to say hair loss.
There are different types ofalopecia.
There's universalis, totalis.
There's traction alopecia.
So there's different types ofhair loss.
There's a few categories thatare pretty broad and a lot of
times I don't think they're thateffective.
They don't really help.
They don't really help thepatient.
(07:02):
It's very vague, right, but Ithink what you might be talking
about is something that might bealopecia areata where you have
a spot or a bald, like a baldspot or a balding area.
That's almost always attributedto some type of an autoimmune
condition.
And it's got a psychological ora physiological trigger.
Most well, actually all hairloss, whether it's male or
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female, can ultimately betriggered.
It can be defined as some kindof trigger that's created
imbalance, right.
So it's either a psychologicaltrigger or physiological trigger
.
That's with any disease in thebody.
I tell everyone that hair lossis really not a diagnosis.
Although you may get diagnosedwith it, it's really a symptom
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of something else that's goingon in the body, which is why I
do what I do.
It's sort of like being adetective.
I want to go in and find outwhat's happening and all usually
find in most cases.
There are those cases where youhave a strict male pattern
baldness or strictly femalepattern baldness.
That is the issue oftestosterone and how it's
binding at the follicle base.
(08:07):
Usually it's a combination ofthings.
So it's rare that someone hasone kind of hair loss symptom.
It's usually a couple.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Maybe four.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Yeah, I'm a huge believer is when your body is in
dis-ease, it creates disease,and I experienced that myself,
so I definitely can see how thatcan happen.
So interesting.
I love the whole research partof it.
I want to take it all in.
Okay.
(08:37):
So how can diet and lifestyleaffect your hair loss?
Oh, it's a big component.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
I would say that it's .
I would say that of the peoplethat I see every day, it's
almost 80%.
So bodies, yeah, our bodies arehomeostasis.
We want to be in a state ofhealth, right, and where
everything is even, and diet isone of the first things to go
off kilter.
(09:03):
When we are under stress, rightor if we're in, if we're taking
certain medications, it affectsour system, right, and the one
thing that we have a lot ofcontrol over is our diet.
I do see that many people arelacking the right kind of
proteins.
Now I'm going to say somethingnot everybody's going to be
(09:24):
happy with.
I'm not a big fan of veganismor vegetarianism.
From the viewpoint of atripologist and someone who
treats hair loss, the coreproteins that we need can do
come from things like fishproducts, whole fish products,
eggs, some steak, some meat.
So not everybody loves thatanswer, but the truth is that
it's anecdotal in terms of allthe patients that I see.
(09:47):
There's a lot of research on it, so I tend to steer my patients
towards a Mediterranean or apescatarian based diet.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
You've got to watch out what you're eating.
Right, like you don't want alot of you know that.
But if you can find and I'llusually give I will give my
patients a kind of a plan, foodplan, to help them.
But I do see a lot of peoplethat are missing core proteins
and with a lot of the thingsthat are and don't get me
(10:17):
started on this one but what'sgoing on with?
our food supply glyphosates,Roundup, just GMOs.
There's so much toxic and somuch chemical pollution in our
foods, so the more that we cantake in, that's going to be just
pure source.
You don't want to geteverything from a supplement and
you don't want to geteverything from a shake.
You want to get it from a wholesource.
(10:38):
You have to be really educatednow.
You have to really take yourown health into your own hands.
You cannot walk into anybody'soffice and expect them to
prescribe the thing for youuntil you've done your own
research.
It's just not.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Yeah, I agree.
So about nine years ago, I wasdiagnosed with cervical cancer
and I was overweight, I wasdepressed, I was dealing with
cancer and so I needed to gethealthy and I needed to find a
way to do that.
And so I'm from a Hispanichousehold and we didn't know
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what any type of vegetable waskind of vegetable.
So let's just say that oureating was not very healthy, and
so I had to learn how toproperly eat.
I started moving my body, Istarted doing at-home workouts,
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doing a very balanced nutritionplan, started eating more
protein, more vegetables, morefruit, like healthier carbs all
the things that that I was notaccustomed to at all, and I do
drink a shake, but I did myresearch because, oh my gosh,
(11:57):
there is so much crap out there,for lack of a better word.
There's so much crap out thereand so many shakes that had,
like, GMOs and so many things.
And so, coming from again thebackground that I was dealing
(12:18):
with cancer, I was like I don'tneed additional GMOs in my body.
If I'm going to drink thisshake every day, it's got to be
something that's all natural,that has all the things, and I
did.
I found something and it was,and it literally changed just, I
think everything.
I think the whole lifestyle.
(12:38):
That shift that I made changedmy entire life.
And it is so crazy, Nine yearslater, that I could look back
and I'm like, oh my gosh, Icannot even believe that, like
nutrition, I had zero clue aboutit.
I didn't drink enough water, Ilike it was.
(12:59):
It's just so many things thatI'm like who was I and what did
I do before this?
Like before this became mylifestyle.
It saved my life.
I can say that.
So, four months later, I hadjust started my health journey
in like end of August, andOctober was when my follow-up
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appointment was well, the cancerhad come back and I was
devastated and I wanted to quit,but my accountability group was
like no, you're going to keepdoing this.
You'll check in.
I ended up opting in for thehysterectomy and that was a lot
take on as well, because I was.
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I had three kids and one aboutto be a teenager dealing with
her mental health and and I'mgonna go through menopause.
It was just a lot.
So everything changed when Icontinued that path of eating
right, moving my body, drinkingenough water, drinking good
supplements.
(14:01):
Knowing what was going in mybody, I started to read personal
development and everything inmy brain was so much it was just
growing.
Everything was growing and whenI had my hysterectomy, the
pathology report a week latertold me that I had zero signs of
cancer.
And I can't say enough hownutrition, like that lifestyle,
(14:24):
completely Wow, and I think thatyou're right.
People give it such littleimportance when it could make
such a huge difference in yourlife.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Well, I had a cousin when I was 21 who had
non-Hodgkin's and she wastreated at UCLA and one of the
first things that the doctorsaid was I want you to go on a
macrobiotic diet.
And this was.
This was like late eighties,early nineties, and at that time
I we didn't really know allthat we know now.
There's so many books out aboutit now.
(14:59):
But, dr Gerson, there was amovie, a documentary, called the
Gerson Cure, where he talkedabout how even and he wrote this
, I think, in the 70s or the 80s, I think in the 70s or the 80s
it's about how you can use foodto basically heal the body and
re-trigger the cells back tohealth and I know this isn't a
medical podcast.
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People need to do their ownresearch and really take a look
at what, because there are GMOsin just about everything and the
labeling on foods today isnon-existent.
You really have to be adetective to figure out what
you're putting in your body andit gets limiting, but it does,
and and it gets easy to.
But, like aspartame, all thethings that are being put in our
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foods these companies knowexactly what they're putting in
it and absolutely the reasonthey're doing is because they
want you to drink more of itthere.
It's addictive, right yeah?
So we have to.
My part of my whole goal is tohelp people educate themselves
so that they make intelligentdecisions and don't just take a
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drug or take a pill or take apotion.
And it's harder.
People come in to see me andsometimes they're well, why is
this any better?
Or why is this different?
And I'll say because this isyou taking your own health back
in your own hands and we can getresults and we will.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
but you have to be in charge.
You have to be a willingparticipant in your own health.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Yeah, it's easier to say I'll give you a pill, cause
that's what people like, butyeah, it's, hair is related to
your body and the rest of yourhealth it's.
I say I don't know if I alreadysaid this, but hair loss is not
a diagnosis, it's a symptom.
So, it's telling me there'ssomething else going on.
Just we got to parse it out andfigure out what that thing is
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and a lot of time.
To answer your earlier question, it is related to diet, that's
just.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
I'm so happy that you said that, because I try to
help people all day long withtheir health, and that is the
resistance as well, like I'm apicky eater or whatever.
(17:12):
I'm of the thought and I havethree kids that are teenager 20
to 15 age range and suck it upbuttercup.
Normally when'm talking toadults, you're adult, you're an
adult.
You need to, like, forget aboutthe taste or forget about the
pickiness or whatever, and justdo what's going to be good for
your body.
Like, if your body is hurting,it's obviously screaming at you.
This is like a Mack truckhitting you and you're like well
(17:34):
, why did that happen?
I, that happened to me.
I had cancer and it was like mywake up call and so I love that
.
You said that it's like taking.
You have to take ownership ofyour health, and if hair loss is
a symptom of that, then, like,you just have to do what you
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have to do to make things better.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
And yeah, it's a common.
I'm a big, like I said,advocate of pescatarian diets
because I think they'refantastic at help with
endothelial, the lining of ourvessels, our muscles and hair
and skin.
And I will get people come inand go.
I hate fish and I'll say, well,what fish have you tried?
Salmon, I didn't like it.
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So I say, well, let's work onit.
And it's really interestingbecause preconceived notions and
I hate vegetables and I tellpeople, actually I want you to
cook your vegetables.
You don't need to be a rabbit.
It's actually there's morenutrients when we cook them or
steam them a little bit.
But yes, food is superimportant and people just they
want to let somebody else decidethat for them.
(18:40):
So it's not a faint of heart tomake those changes that you
made when it comes to diet.
So, yeah for you, and you haveto stick with it too.
It's hard, yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Believe me nine years later and I'm like and you have
to stick with it too.
It's hard.
Yeah, believe me Nine yearslater and I'm like, oh goodness,
now I'm struggling even morewith my hormones for other
reasons, but it's so hard tojust okay, I'm just going to
stick to this and I'm not goingto let everything else take over
my life, and including mynutrition.
So it is definitely a mindsetshift that you have to just make
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it your lifestyle and it's justsecond nature.
So how can we effectively treatmenopause, talked hair loss,
without drugs or surgery?
I want to hear more about that.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
So the approach that I use is one.
So I approach it holisticallymyself.
So I approach it through diet.
I work with people to kind ofhelp them manage their stress or
to look at how they can affecttheir stress, and I do.
When I work with someone, Ilook at the medications that
you're taking, that they'retaking A lot of times.
If you're in menopause, manywomen are taking BHRTs or
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pellets or bioidenticals, andthat's par for the course.
It can be HRTs or pellets orbioidenticals, and that's par
for the course.
And then sometimes it canaffect the circulating androgens
, the testosterone and estrogenlevels, and that side effect of
that can be hair loss.
So what, I'm not going to tellsomeone.
I'm not a medical doctor.
I can't tell someone to get offof a medication, but I say, how
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can we support this person?
So in my own practice, what Isay, how can we support we
support this person.
So in my own practice, what Iuse are peptides, and peptides
are small proteins and they eachin this case each peptide has a
different job.
They're signalers, so what theydo is they communicate with the
cells.
And what we know now fromepigenetics, what we've learned,
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is that the body has theability to regenerate itself and
we want to turn certain cellson and turn other cells off.
And so, without getting toodeep into the woods, what I did
is, along with the biochemistthat I work with, put together a
combination of nine peptidesand other amino acids in a
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formulation that I apply to theperson's them topically and then
I'm combining that with amicroneedling device so that I'm
getting penetration andtriggering what's called the
wound growth response, whichhelps with the body to open up
vessels and to turn the cellsover.
To open up vessels and to turnthe cells over.
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But each peptide has its ownjob and its job is to either
reduce toxins on the scalp or toreduce inflammation, to inhibit
the DHT that I spoke aboutearlier, to help with cell
proliferation.
So they all have different jobs.
And so I treat the person in theoffice with the peptides and
the microneedling, and then Iwork with ozone therapy, which
is high level oxygen, whicheverybody's now on board with
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hyperbaric and oxygen.
It's a newer, it's more of anewer device.
They've been using it for yearsfor diabetic patients that had
wounds that weren't healing.
So I took that concept and Iwork with it with the patients
that have hair loss and whatI've seen is just more growth,
actually with the hair.
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So it's a combination oflooking at the diet, stressors,
medication and then treatingthem topically.
And then I also developed a homeroutine that I put patients on
and a person can do the homeroutine without having to come
see me, because I can't noteverybody can afford to come see
me or isn't where I am inFlorida.
So I developed a home routine,which is a line of products that
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people can use at home andthey're actually pretty
effective.
They're very effective,especially if a person takes to
heart the things that I'mtalking about in terms of what
we're eating, what they'reingesting, the toxins in their
environment, what theirenvironment's like, their
stressors, and if they take thatto heart and they follow
through the protocol, they'llget results.
So awesome, yeah yeah, and it'smale and female, not just I was
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gonna.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
That was my follow-up question on that because so
like, if someone's had hair lossthat's been gone for a while,
like years, male or female isthat reversible?
Speaker 3 (23:00):
ah, that's a great question but really depends on
the person one.
It depends on their age anddepends on how much they've lost
.
So, for instance, in mypractice I'll see people that
have.
I had someone the other daythat came in and he's had.
He's in his late sixties andhe's had hair loss since his
thirties.
But I will tell him once we'vegotten past like 10 years, now
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we're the results are going todecline, right?
But just because I love what Ido and I want to try to see what
we can accomplish and somepeople can afford to do that,
some can't but I've treated 70year old patients that have had
a hair loss for 15, 20, 30 yearsand they've gotten results.
The thing is that, yeah, it's,how healthy is the body?
How committed is the person tothe regimen that I'll give them,
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because sometimes it includes,you know, scalp massage, deep
massage how committed are theyto doing the protocol at home
and changing their diet andchanging some of their
environmental factors?
But I have about a 90% successrate in terms of regrowth and I
tell them what I think we canachieve In a case where a male
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or a female has had hair lossfor, say, 20 years, depending on
the cause, right.
If with a male it's strictlymale pattern baldness and it's
been caused by thedihydrotestosterone, our chances
are lower.
Maybe we'll get 10, 15, 20% newgrowth and in some people that
will really make a difference.
So, for instance, if a guy'spresenting with a pattern like
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this and he gets some growth andI have plenty of guys like that
to get that filled in a littlemakes them happy and so it's all
the expectation of the person.
I find that women do better onmy protocols, and I don't know
if it's because we're morecompliant where we're generally
like.
Just tell me what I got to do,They'll do it, Whereas men not,
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so not always as much Men canrock the ball to head.
It's funny because it's not anage thing either.
But there are some people, somemales, that no matter how old
they are, the fact of growingbald really truly is traumatic,
and I see it every day.
But for a woman it's just it'sjust it's part of her identity.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
I feel like that's like I have.
I'm blessed with a ton of hair,to the point that I shaved half
of my hair off.
I had like an undercut for thelongest time because even with
that it and having short hair,like when I dyed it, it was like
tube tube.
I have so much hair.
I'm blessed, but my boyfriend'sbald and so he just shaves it.
(25:31):
But I know that he would airstarted growing back.
I know that like he lost itearly and I think it was
probably like his late 20s andso probably about 10 years now.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
That's why prevention is important and I I the
youngest patient I have oneright now who's he's just 18 and
he's an athlete and a lot oftimes I do see that that they're
they are producing a littlemore testosterone and again,
it's not that you have so muchtestosterone that gives you the
loss, it's your balances right.
Yeah, to your system.
(26:06):
But I will say that I reallyhave a heart for younger men who
are losing their hair andwanting to help them with
prevention, because I find oncethey go down the path of drugs
meaning they start usingfinasteride, they start using
dutasteride or they start goingdown the surgery path it's
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you're in for life.
You cannot stop, because onceyou start taking those drugs,
you will have to continue oryou'll lose the hair that you've
gained.
And that troubles me because nowa cycle of young men that are
on these drugs and I go in thechat rooms and I see what they
say and everybody's givingeverybody else unsolicited
advice about what they should bedoing and they're telling them
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things like, yeah, use amicroneedle and throw minoxidil
on it, and then you take thedutasteride and the finasteride
and you mix it and I'm thinkingthis is yeah, it's going to
affect their sperm counts, theirerectile dysfunction is a
common one.
And then they, of course, themanufacturers, say it's very,
very, very low percentages.
It could be that the populationI treat is a higher.
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The fact that they're coming into see me means they do have
those side effects.
But I will tell you that I seeit a lot and it concerns me that
these drugs are never really itdoesn't feel as if there's a
real discussion about it.
I have people come into me allthe time and tell me oh, I went
to the dermatologist, even women, and they're prescribing
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finasteride for women andRogaine, and we know some of
these can have cancerous effectson women.
So I think, a bigger discussionabout these drugs and how they
impact young men and women andnot being so easy or so ready to
just throw a pill at thesolution.
Not being so easy or so readyto just throw a pill at the
solution.
Now, because I work in what Ido, I think well, why doesn't
(27:58):
everyone know this?
But people don't know about?
Yeah, they have no idea.
Yeah, so sometimes this is alonely fight.
I have like up there RockyBalboa going, hey, let's get rid
(28:20):
of the drugs.
But people don't know thatthere's other options.
And I truly discovered thisafter working with I was working
with a cosmetic surgeon and Ihad learned about microneedling
and I was working with, I wastrained by someone who worked at
the Grossman burn center.
So we were doing it for postsurgical scar revision.
And then I started noticingthat in areas where there had
been hair growth and we use themicroneedling in the right way,
with the right peptides, hairstarted regrowing.
So that set me on the path oflike well, how do I figure this
(28:43):
out?
And I had a lot of womenclients coming to me saying I'm
losing my hair, what am I goingto do?
And it was just those.
Well, how do I help them?
How do I help them?
I have to help them.
So that was what put me on mypath of discovering this and
then just continuing to educatemyself and then getting more
trainings and then ultimatelydeveloping this.
But my goal was always how do weget, how do we get to a point
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of where we can reach theexpectations and make the
patient happier right, withoutaffecting the androgen levels,
without affecting inputtingtoxins or drugs or things that
are going to affect us long-term, or not just doing stuff that
doesn't work.
We can all go online and buyjunk.
That's just gonna.
It doesn't do anything.
There is scientifically validevidence that shows
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microneedling is helpful forhair regrowth and there is
scientific, there are clinicaltrials behind peptides and what
they do.
So it's science-backed,evidence-based, and we know that
.
Ozone therapy, while it's stillone of those, it still has a
little controversy around it.
Anecdotally, and with thedoctors I've worked with
regenerative doctors, I workwith bariatric surgeons,
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cardiologists all of them agreethat ozone therapy has been just
a complete game changer,especially for people with
autoimmune conditions.
So when you combine, that you'vegot a real powerful factor and
we're hitting, targeting.
All I target.
I call it the kitchen sink.
Yeah.
For the hair loss.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
That's so amazing.
So it can be reversible if youget to it within a good time
frame, which I think is amazingand it's hopeful because, again,
it's something that not a lotof people talk about and it's
like this shameful process thatyou could be going through and
(30:31):
have no clue that you are doingthe work for that, and I love
that we can talk.
And so what kind of things haveyou done?
Because I know that you'vespoken at different conferences.
Is that correct?
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Yes, so how I discovered what I work with now
this particular formulation is Iwas actually asked to
participate in some clinicaltrials with a company in
California that was using growthfactors from bone marrow and
they asked me to participate intheir trials, which is how I
develop my protocols.
So how often I see a patient,what I do for them?
(31:08):
And I started developing myprotocols and they came back to
me and said your results arebetter than any of the medical
doctors or surgeons.
What are you doing?
And I started developing myprotocols and they came back to
me and said your results arebetter than any of the medical
doctors or surgeons.
What are you doing?
And I said, well, I'll share itwith you.
And then they said would you beinterested in training others
in the protocol?
And I said, well, of course.
So I went down that path andwhile I was doing my research, I
was asked to present myresearch at Boston Biolife
(31:31):
Regenerative Medical Conference.
At Boston Biolife RegenerativeMedical Conference, and they
were mostly regenerative doctorsall spectrum, but medical
doctors who had more of aregenerative path.
They were more interested inprevention versus just
allopathic let's treat thecrisis or the acute problem
right.
So I presented my researchthere and I've done that for the
(31:52):
last four years.
I didn't do it last year.
And then I presented myresearch at AMSPA and A4M, which
is anti-aging management, and Ikeep refining the formulation
and refining the protocol,because I want to continue to
make it better.
(32:16):
Really was just how can we yeah,how can we help people?
How can I show the protocols,show the value to it and show
the research, because you're notgoing to stand up in front of a
bunch of medical doctors andyou have to show.
I really like this idea noanecdotal evidence, clinical
trials behind it and then alsothird-party trials, so the
ingredients I use have all thatbacking.
And then what I did is I've nowtreated probably about 1200 to
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1500 patients, and so because Idocument everything I'm very
strict about my documentationand I take photos so I know
exactly where we are, becausepeople want to see their results
right, yeah, it's the beforeand afters.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Those are powerful.
I'm in health industry and Itell all of my customers, take a
before picture.
I know you don't want to see it.
I didn't want to see mine.
I didn't ever want to show mine, ever, ever, ever, ever.
I didn't ever want to show mine.
Ever, ever, ever, ever.
And now I feel like it's themost powerful picture.
(33:18):
Is that before and where youare now, and it's yeah.
So pictures all the time I loveto see ourselves there.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
It's called body dysmorphia.
We get it with hair too, right,you look at it every day.
You're the same person, or eventhe people with you, but
someone doesn't see you for along time and the best
compliment wouldn't be hey, didyou get a hair plug, or did you
get hair plugs, did you get asurgery?
But it would be like you lookreally healthy.
Did you lose?
What did you do?
It's like with plastic surgery,right, people just look really
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refreshed and that's generallywhat we can expect.
I've had people that have gotten50% of their hair back and
that's a great outcome, right,and it's not going to always
happen.
But for the most part, Iusually I'm not going to take a
patient on if I can't help them,but I I'm treating someone
right now who had breast cancer.
She's a survivor.
She's been off all treatmentfor eight months and she's grown
(34:13):
.
I've been treating her now forabout four months and she's
gotten just about 80% of herhair back.
So she's responding nicely.
This is it's very, it's veryrewarding to to see that.
So it can be any kind of hairloss.
I think it really again goesback to how do we treat you
internally, how do we look atwhat's going on inside.
One thing that we didn't talkabout that I'd like to touch on
(34:37):
is gut health.
That's another really criticalelement to all this.
Hormones are important and thewhole endocrine system obviously
is key to the health of thebody and gut health too.
So I'm a big fan of probioticsand prebiotics and we can see
there's research on now.
There's a lot of research onhow the gut is tied to.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
It's our second brain , it's probably our first I was
gonna say the same thing.
It's probably our first.
It tells us, like, what to do.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Yeah and we don't.
I don't know any medicaldoctors that when someone walks
in, it says they have hair loss.
The doctor says what's youreating like?
Do you have constipation?
Are you incontinent?
These are all really importantthings for me to.
One of the first things I askpeople is do you have any issues
with constipation or do youhave irritable bowels and leaky
gut?
(35:28):
This tells me that there's.
We got to really look at whatthey're consuming.
Right and all trickle.
It's trickle up, trickle down,trickle everywhere.
Because the hair follicle is anorgan.
It's a mini organ and it'shighly inefficient.
Takes a lot of lactic acid fora for hair to grow right.
(35:49):
So if the body's focused onhealing other parts, it's going
to put hair last.
Most important to us we want toalways look good.
The body says that's asecondary issue to me.
I want your body to be healthy.
So the more we can support itinternally.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
I find this fascinating because, like it's
so crazy, Awesome how much ourbody just can heal itself knows
what, where it needs to targetit's just it blows my mind Every
time someone talks about that.
I'm like, yeah, absolutely sointeresting, so incredibly
(36:33):
interesting how powerful ourbody is.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Beautiful.
It's a beautiful magic.
It's like majestic and Godgiven just one of the most
beautiful thing there is.
You can't, ai cannot touch this, and yet we take advantage of
it.
But it can.
It will heal itself.
It is regenerative and that'swhy it is such a beautiful time
right now to be able tointegrate new methods, new
(37:00):
regenerative methods with, andhopefully get a lot of
allopathic doctors on board with.
Prevention versus just takingacute care, but it's a long path
right Because there's otheragendas at play with a lot of
this.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Yeah, absolutely.
Which is what's frustrating,because I especially for people
that truly want to make adifference.
And there's road, theseroadblocks, right.
So, speaking of roadblocks, Ifeel like, okay, so what is
either a limiting belief or aroadblock that you had to
overcome in order to get towhere you are today?
Speaker 3 (37:37):
Wow, that's.
I didn't expect that and I likethat.
Well, I think probably thebelief that, because I'm not a
medical doctor, people would nottake what I had to say
seriously.
And there are some people thatthink that way, but it was in my
own head, do you?
Know what I mean.
The first time that I spoke infront of a group of doctors, I
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was absolutely just terrified.
And it turns out they werelovely because I knew my stuff
right and they knew when theytalked to me that I wasn't just.
But I think for.
So for me I think, well, I'vegot more than one.
(38:34):
I think it has more to do withthe medical community as a whole
and what they will, and won'treally matter what the initials
are.
At the end it's a mindset andI'm finding more and more of
them, part of not having the MDafter my name to say hey, I have
scientifically validatedevidence I can prove to you, I
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can show you the results, seethem in the people.
And it's something that comes,still comes up, but it's.
But I now have the time behindme that shows that.
But it still comes up and Istill have to deal with.
It's like a nagging doubt thatwe all, you're not gonna.
It doesn't ever go away.
The little committee, thelittle noise, but now you have
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you have ways.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
Yeah, I think that the way that we flip confidence
in ourselves is that we need tocontinue to show up right and
prove like we've alreadyconquered this.
I'm already doing the thing,self.
Let me do the thing, yeah,because I, we all have it.
(39:41):
It's our fight or flight, it'sour protection against the bad
thing, the saber-toothed tiger,whatever and we just have to
continue to remind ourselveslike, hey, self and I'm speaking
to myself at this point too-yeah, like I'm not the old brain
anymore.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
I'm not out hunting, but the brain does like to have
things to worry about, and thoseof us with more active brains
find a lot of things to worryabout so I find I just keep
myself busy and I work, then thenoise shuts down a little bit
you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (40:15):
Yeah, because you're taking actions towards the
things that you're working onand that you feel passionate
about.
So what do you love abouthelping people work through all
of this?
Speaker 3 (40:26):
Well, I love getting results.
That's important because ifthey're not getting results,
people they will tell you ifthey're not happy.
I've had a few people thatdidn't get results and I was the
one that pulled the plug firstand said I don't think we're
getting where I want us to be.
And that's actually rare,because most doctors will not do
that.
They will continue to see youas long as you'll come in and
(40:47):
pay that copay or whatever it is.
So for me, the results matter.
It really does matter.
And what I put my name on isreally important, that it works.
And if it's not, like what didyou do?
Okay, tell me how you did it,why isn't it working?
Because I'm constantly curious.
I want to know what's workingand how we can re-trigger it or
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change it to make it better.
But results matter.
But to me it's that just whenthey get their confidence back,
when someone comes in.
I was thinking of a woman that Ijust adored.
She was a Los Angeles patientof mine and she had not gone out
of the house other than she wasa teacher and she was in her
late sixties and would not goout of the house under after
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school.
So she had little kidspreschool kids She'd stopped
going out, she wouldn't doanything.
And then she came to me and Itreated her.
In about seven months she gotabout 45% new, she got new
growth right and she came in andshe didn't have topics in her
hair, she didn't have the spraysanymore and she was so excited
(41:49):
she goes Misty.
I'm going with my son, he'streating me on a trip to europe,
but she was now wearing herhair down, not afraid, and to me
that's like the most rewardingto see people come in and go.
I can walk outside, I can, Ican be myself again.
I feel like I can date or I can.
That, yeah, oh goosebumps I know, I know, it gives me that too.
(42:09):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
I love it.
I, yeah, I know I understandthat feeling of like, of just
like.
Seeing somebody's confidencegrow back and just seeing that
transformation.
It's just the best feeling ever.
And you gave them the tools.
They did the work and it'sworking.
Gave them the tools, they didthe work and it's working.
(42:33):
That's like the best thing.
And again, I speak from justthe experience that I've had.
But I can only imagine that'sthe same Like.
You created this and you'regiving them the tools.
Now it's up to them.
And when they make thatdecision of like okay, enough is
enough, I need to get this done, I need to make a change and
(42:55):
that happens.
It's just the best.
So, for you, what daily ritualsdo you say have helped you
reach the level of success whereyou're at now?
Speaker 3 (43:05):
Okay, let's see.
So for me, I am well, I'mactive in a recovery, so I go to
, usually I have a morningmeeting, prayer meeting in a
meeting, and then I think for me, just knowing that I'm able to
be of service, and that is areally important part of my own
(43:26):
recovery, is to be in service toother people.
And I think just there are dayswhen I don't want to do it, I
don't want to show up, I don'twant to have to explain why this
works and why it is different.
I just want people to just doit, shut up and listen and just
do it.
I, I have to always rememberthat I'm dealing with people
that are.
This is a pretty big problem.
You know what I mean.
(43:46):
It's very painful.
So to try to remember to becompassionate and be
compassionate with myself and tobe compassionate with them.
But I think my certainly myspiritual condition is the first
thing, that that's the thingthat has to come first.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
Yeah, absolutely, it's putting our oxygen mask on
first right, absolutely.
I love to travel and that isevery time I hear that I smile
because it was what I had to dofor myself.
I had to stop putting the kidsand everyone else before me.
I had to come first because ifI didn't take care of me, who
(44:19):
was going to?
take care of everybody else,right, so you facilitate that.
The tools and that passion isit just?
I love it.
It got it gets me all emotionalbecause it's so awesome to see
women like focused on something,that know that they're making a
(44:44):
difference, and it's likehelping people, and it's so
powerful.
I love it.
I just I love women that areempowering and that's empowering
to me.
So I just thank you for whatyou do.
I think it's so important andthank you for all of this
information.
I'm so excited for this to comeout.
This was awesome.
(45:05):
Thank you, really.
Just it blows my mind thethings that we don't even know.
And until you know better, wecould do better, and so now it
could be out there more.
And I, you know better, wecould do better, and so now it
could be out there more, and Ijust I'm so, so excited
Listeners, I will put all of herinformation on the show notes,
so thank you so much forlistening.
(45:26):
I hope you all have a wonderfulrest of your day.
Peace out guys.
Love your life.
Bye-bye.
Welcome back to the Against All Odds the Less Than
1% Chance podcast with your host, Maria Aponte, where we will
hear stories of incrediblepeople thriving against all odds
, and my hope is that we can allsee how life is always
happening for us, even when weare the Less Than 1% Chance.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hey, hey, welcome back to, against All Odds, the
Less Than 1% Chance podcast withyour host, maria Aponte.
I am so excited to introduceyou to this week's guest.
Her name is Misty Barnes andshe is a trichologist, physician
, trainer and researcher whotreats hair loss with a patent
(00:42):
drug free treatment.
She formulated Celestrian hairrejuvenation with biochemist,
l'oreal and Aveda, with 40 plushair patents.
That's amazing.
I am so excited to get in thisand, as we were talking earlier,
I'm postmenopausal, so all ofthis is so interesting to me and
(01:05):
I'm learning so much as I amreally feeling the effects of
this postmenopause.
What you're doing is right upmy alley and I can't wait to
learn more, so welcome.
Thank you for being on.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Thank you, thanks for having me.
This is a really importantsubject and I think it's often
neglected, especially in thearea of hair loss.
I'm going through it.
Most of us don't really discussit.
We were talking about thatearlier.
It's a source of shame forpeople, so I say let's shine a
light on it and talk about it.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Yeah, absolutely so.
It's twofold right?
We don't want to talk abouthair loss, because I remember
when I was dealing with my ownlittle piece of hair loss, it
was just like this random circlein the middle of my head.
I like did everything to coverit and I'm like, oh my god, I
was freaking out and I didn'tever put it together that it was
(02:02):
hormonal and postmenopausal.
So this is all down my alleyand I am so excited to learn
some more.
So just to get some idea, howis menopausal hair loss
different from, like, femalepattern baldness?
Great question.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
So both.
So I'll just back up a littlebit.
When it comes to female patternbaldness, it's more of a rarity
than people think.
Where we're seeing, where I see, female pattern baldness is
usually related to menopausesituation, medication, pcos,
which is that goes right back tohormones as well.
A lot of female based hair lossis hormone related.
(02:57):
It's hard to separate the twoout.
When I have someone come intomy office.
It's really rare that it's justtraditional female pattern
baldness that is related towhat's called
dihydrotestosterone, which isDHT we all know.
So when you look at thecategories of male pattern hair
loss and female pattern hairloss, generally they'll put them
(03:18):
in the category of both ofthose are considered DHT related
androgenetic, which ultimatelymeans that it came from some of
our genetics.
In most instances right Well,most genetic-based hair loss,
it's really only 30%.
A lot of this is related tobehaviors, lifestyle, toxicities
(03:42):
, inflammation, hormones,medication.
So we have a lot more controlover our hair loss.
But strictly androgenicandrogenetic alopecia, which is
called male or female patternhair loss, is related to how the
dihydrotestosterone, thetestosterone that's at the
follicle base, is being absorbedand how it's affecting the
(04:05):
follicles.
So they are two separatediagnoses but a lot of times
they get wrapped into the samediagnosis, if you will.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Got it.
Follow up question on that.
So regular, let's say femalepattern baldness, that's
testosterone or low testosterone.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
No, ah, that's a great question.
So how it works is this we allhave our own regulated estrogen
and testosterone levels,progesterone, estradiol all of
the things that make us females.
We have our own sort ofchemistry and it's very unique
to each person and the same withmen.
They make a lot of the sameandrogenic hormones, which are
(04:46):
all related to sexualfunctioning and the certain, the
basis for who we are as male orfemale.
What pattern baldness says isthat there is a way that the
testosterone is being impactedby something at the follicle
base called alpha-5 reductase.
So basically, what we're sayingis that underneath the follicle
(05:09):
, in the follicle, which is thedermal papilla layer, we have
our follicle and what'shappening is around that
follicle there's blood, so theblood vessels are actually being
intercepted.
The testosterone that'sfloating in that blood supply is
being intercepted by somethingcalled an alpha five, which is
an enzyme, and when that happens, over time the hair starts
(05:32):
miniaturizing and what they callthat is what that interception
is called is dihydrotestosterone.
So it's testosterone that'sbeen interfered with by the
alpha-5 reductase, which is anenzyme, and that's occurring in
the follicle base.
So, just to separate that outeven further, we have
(05:54):
testosterone going through allof our body.
Right, it's not just in ourblood that's called serum-based
testosterone but we also have itin our tissues.
That's called tissue-basedtestosterone.
So a lot of times people willsay, oh, I have too much
testosterone, that's why I'mlosing my hair.
That has nothing to do with it,because the amount of
testosterone we need for ourblood supply for males or
(06:16):
females versus in our tissues isvery different.
What happens is there's animbalance.
And when there's that imbalanceand when the follicle itself
gets interrupted because of thatimbalance, that's when you go
to what's called genetic ortestosterone based hair loss.
Dht dihydrogen.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Got it, got it.
That is so interesting, and sois alopecia in that.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
So alopecia is just another way to say hair loss.
There are different types ofalopecia.
There's universalis, totalis.
There's traction alopecia.
So there's different types ofhair loss.
There's a few categories thatare pretty broad and a lot of
times I don't think they're thateffective.
They don't really help.
They don't really help thepatient.
(07:02):
It's very vague, right, but Ithink what you might be talking
about is something that might bealopecia areata where you have
a spot or a bald, like a baldspot or a balding area.
That's almost always attributedto some type of an autoimmune
condition.
And it's got a psychological ora physiological trigger.
Most well, actually all hairloss, whether it's male or
(07:25):
female, can ultimately betriggered.
It can be defined as some kindof trigger that's created
imbalance, right.
So it's either a psychologicaltrigger or physiological trigger
.
That's with any disease in thebody.
I tell everyone that hair lossis really not a diagnosis.
Although you may get diagnosedwith it, it's really a symptom
(07:46):
of something else that's goingon in the body, which is why I
do what I do.
It's sort of like being adetective.
I want to go in and find outwhat's happening and all usually
find in most cases.
There are those cases where youhave a strict male pattern
baldness or strictly femalepattern baldness.
That is the issue oftestosterone and how it's
binding at the follicle base.
(08:07):
Usually it's a combination ofthings.
So it's rare that someone hasone kind of hair loss symptom.
It's usually a couple.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Maybe four.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Yeah, I'm a huge believer is when your body is in
dis-ease, it creates disease,and I experienced that myself,
so I definitely can see how thatcan happen.
So interesting.
I love the whole research partof it.
I want to take it all in.
Okay.
(08:37):
So how can diet and lifestyleaffect your hair loss?
Oh, it's a big component.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
I would say that it's .
I would say that of the peoplethat I see every day, it's
almost 80%.
So bodies, yeah, our bodies arehomeostasis.
We want to be in a state ofhealth, right, and where
everything is even, and diet isone of the first things to go
off kilter.
(09:03):
When we are under stress, rightor if we're in, if we're taking
certain medications, it affectsour system, right, and the one
thing that we have a lot ofcontrol over is our diet.
I do see that many people arelacking the right kind of
proteins.
Now I'm going to say somethingnot everybody's going to be
(09:24):
happy with.
I'm not a big fan of veganismor vegetarianism.
From the viewpoint of atripologist and someone who
treats hair loss, the coreproteins that we need can do
come from things like fishproducts, whole fish products,
eggs, some steak, some meat.
So not everybody loves thatanswer, but the truth is that
it's anecdotal in terms of allthe patients that I see.
(09:47):
There's a lot of research on it, so I tend to steer my patients
towards a Mediterranean or apescatarian based diet.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
You've got to watch out what you're eating.
Right, like you don't want alot of you know that.
But if you can find and I'llusually give I will give my
patients a kind of a plan, foodplan, to help them.
But I do see a lot of peoplethat are missing core proteins
and with a lot of the thingsthat are and don't get me
(10:17):
started on this one but what'sgoing on with?
our food supply glyphosates,Roundup, just GMOs.
There's so much toxic and somuch chemical pollution in our
foods, so the more that we cantake in, that's going to be just
pure source.
You don't want to geteverything from a supplement and
you don't want to geteverything from a shake.
You want to get it from a wholesource.
(10:38):
You have to be really educatednow.
You have to really take yourown health into your own hands.
You cannot walk into anybody'soffice and expect them to
prescribe the thing for youuntil you've done your own
research.
It's just not.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Yeah, I agree.
So about nine years ago, I wasdiagnosed with cervical cancer
and I was overweight, I wasdepressed, I was dealing with
cancer and so I needed to gethealthy and I needed to find a
way to do that.
And so I'm from a Hispanichousehold and we didn't know
(11:11):
what any type of vegetable waskind of vegetable.
So let's just say that oureating was not very healthy, and
so I had to learn how toproperly eat.
I started moving my body, Istarted doing at-home workouts,
(11:35):
doing a very balanced nutritionplan, started eating more
protein, more vegetables, morefruit, like healthier carbs all
the things that that I was notaccustomed to at all, and I do
drink a shake, but I did myresearch because, oh my gosh,
(11:57):
there is so much crap out there,for lack of a better word.
There's so much crap out thereand so many shakes that had,
like, GMOs and so many things.
And so, coming from again thebackground that I was dealing
(12:18):
with cancer, I was like I don'tneed additional GMOs in my body.
If I'm going to drink thisshake every day, it's got to be
something that's all natural,that has all the things, and I
did.
I found something and it was,and it literally changed just, I
think everything.
I think the whole lifestyle.
(12:38):
That shift that I made changedmy entire life.
And it is so crazy, Nine yearslater, that I could look back
and I'm like, oh my gosh, Icannot even believe that, like
nutrition, I had zero clue aboutit.
I didn't drink enough water, Ilike it was.
(12:59):
It's just so many things thatI'm like who was I and what did
I do before this?
Like before this became mylifestyle.
It saved my life.
I can say that.
So, four months later, I hadjust started my health journey
in like end of August, andOctober was when my follow-up
(13:19):
appointment was well, the cancerhad come back and I was
devastated and I wanted to quit,but my accountability group was
like no, you're going to keepdoing this.
You'll check in.
I ended up opting in for thehysterectomy and that was a lot
take on as well, because I was.
(13:40):
I had three kids and one aboutto be a teenager dealing with
her mental health and and I'mgonna go through menopause.
It was just a lot.
So everything changed when Icontinued that path of eating
right, moving my body, drinkingenough water, drinking good
supplements.
(14:01):
Knowing what was going in mybody, I started to read personal
development and everything inmy brain was so much it was just
growing.
Everything was growing and whenI had my hysterectomy, the
pathology report a week latertold me that I had zero signs of
cancer.
And I can't say enough hownutrition, like that lifestyle,
(14:24):
completely Wow, and I think thatyou're right.
People give it such littleimportance when it could make
such a huge difference in yourlife.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Well, I had a cousin when I was 21 who had
non-Hodgkin's and she wastreated at UCLA and one of the
first things that the doctorsaid was I want you to go on a
macrobiotic diet.
And this was.
This was like late eighties,early nineties, and at that time
I we didn't really know allthat we know now.
There's so many books out aboutit now.
(14:59):
But, dr Gerson, there was amovie, a documentary, called the
Gerson Cure, where he talkedabout how even and he wrote this
, I think, in the 70s or the 80s, I think in the 70s or the 80s
it's about how you can use foodto basically heal the body and
re-trigger the cells back tohealth and I know this isn't a
medical podcast.
(15:20):
People need to do their ownresearch and really take a look
at what, because there are GMOsin just about everything and the
labeling on foods today isnon-existent.
You really have to be adetective to figure out what
you're putting in your body andit gets limiting, but it does,
and and it gets easy to.
But, like aspartame, all thethings that are being put in our
(15:42):
foods these companies knowexactly what they're putting in
it and absolutely the reasonthey're doing is because they
want you to drink more of itthere.
It's addictive, right yeah?
So we have to.
My part of my whole goal is tohelp people educate themselves
so that they make intelligentdecisions and don't just take a
(16:04):
drug or take a pill or take apotion.
And it's harder.
People come in to see me andsometimes they're well, why is
this any better?
Or why is this different?
And I'll say because this isyou taking your own health back
in your own hands and we can getresults and we will.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
but you have to be in charge.
You have to be a willingparticipant in your own health.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Yeah, it's easier to say I'll give you a pill, cause
that's what people like, butyeah, it's, hair is related to
your body and the rest of yourhealth it's.
I say I don't know if I alreadysaid this, but hair loss is not
a diagnosis, it's a symptom.
So, it's telling me there'ssomething else going on.
Just we got to parse it out andfigure out what that thing is
(16:43):
and a lot of time.
To answer your earlier question, it is related to diet, that's
just.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
I'm so happy that you said that, because I try to
help people all day long withtheir health, and that is the
resistance as well, like I'm apicky eater or whatever.
(17:12):
I'm of the thought and I havethree kids that are teenager 20
to 15 age range and suck it upbuttercup.
Normally when'm talking toadults, you're adult, you're an
adult.
You need to, like, forget aboutthe taste or forget about the
pickiness or whatever, and justdo what's going to be good for
your body.
Like, if your body is hurting,it's obviously screaming at you.
This is like a Mack truckhitting you and you're like well
(17:34):
, why did that happen?
I, that happened to me.
I had cancer and it was like mywake up call and so I love that
.
You said that it's like taking.
You have to take ownership ofyour health, and if hair loss is
a symptom of that, then, like,you just have to do what you
(17:56):
have to do to make things better.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
And yeah, it's a common.
I'm a big, like I said,advocate of pescatarian diets
because I think they'refantastic at help with
endothelial, the lining of ourvessels, our muscles and hair
and skin.
And I will get people come inand go.
I hate fish and I'll say, well,what fish have you tried?
Salmon, I didn't like it.
(18:19):
So I say, well, let's work onit.
And it's really interestingbecause preconceived notions and
I hate vegetables and I tellpeople, actually I want you to
cook your vegetables.
You don't need to be a rabbit.
It's actually there's morenutrients when we cook them or
steam them a little bit.
But yes, food is superimportant and people just they
want to let somebody else decidethat for them.
(18:40):
So it's not a faint of heart tomake those changes that you
made when it comes to diet.
So, yeah for you, and you haveto stick with it too.
It's hard, yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Believe me nine years later and I'm like and you have
to stick with it too.
It's hard.
Yeah, believe me Nine yearslater and I'm like, oh goodness,
now I'm struggling even morewith my hormones for other
reasons, but it's so hard tojust okay, I'm just going to
stick to this and I'm not goingto let everything else take over
my life, and including mynutrition.
So it is definitely a mindsetshift that you have to just make
(19:13):
it your lifestyle and it's justsecond nature.
So how can we effectively treatmenopause, talked hair loss,
without drugs or surgery?
I want to hear more about that.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
So the approach that I use is one.
So I approach it holisticallymyself.
So I approach it through diet.
I work with people to kind ofhelp them manage their stress or
to look at how they can affecttheir stress, and I do.
When I work with someone, Ilook at the medications that
you're taking, that they'retaking A lot of times.
If you're in menopause, manywomen are taking BHRTs or
(19:48):
pellets or bioidenticals, andthat's par for the course.
It can be HRTs or pellets orbioidenticals, and that's par
for the course.
And then sometimes it canaffect the circulating androgens
, the testosterone and estrogenlevels, and that side effect of
that can be hair loss.
So what, I'm not going to tellsomeone.
I'm not a medical doctor.
I can't tell someone to get offof a medication, but I say, how
(20:09):
can we support this person?
So in my own practice, what Isay, how can we support we
support this person.
So in my own practice, what Iuse are peptides, and peptides
are small proteins and they eachin this case each peptide has a
different job.
They're signalers, so what theydo is they communicate with the
cells.
And what we know now fromepigenetics, what we've learned,
(20:30):
is that the body has theability to regenerate itself and
we want to turn certain cellson and turn other cells off.
And so, without getting toodeep into the woods, what I did
is, along with the biochemistthat I work with, put together a
combination of nine peptidesand other amino acids in a
(20:52):
formulation that I apply to theperson's them topically and then
I'm combining that with amicroneedling device so that I'm
getting penetration andtriggering what's called the
wound growth response, whichhelps with the body to open up
vessels and to turn the cellsover.
To open up vessels and to turnthe cells over.
(21:16):
But each peptide has its ownjob and its job is to either
reduce toxins on the scalp or toreduce inflammation, to inhibit
the DHT that I spoke aboutearlier, to help with cell
proliferation.
So they all have different jobs.
And so I treat the person in theoffice with the peptides and
the microneedling, and then Iwork with ozone therapy, which
is high level oxygen, whicheverybody's now on board with
(21:37):
hyperbaric and oxygen.
It's a newer, it's more of anewer device.
They've been using it for yearsfor diabetic patients that had
wounds that weren't healing.
So I took that concept and Iwork with it with the patients
that have hair loss and whatI've seen is just more growth,
actually with the hair.
(21:57):
So it's a combination oflooking at the diet, stressors,
medication and then treatingthem topically.
And then I also developed a homeroutine that I put patients on
and a person can do the homeroutine without having to come
see me, because I can't noteverybody can afford to come see
me or isn't where I am inFlorida.
So I developed a home routine,which is a line of products that
(22:20):
people can use at home andthey're actually pretty
effective.
They're very effective,especially if a person takes to
heart the things that I'mtalking about in terms of what
we're eating, what they'reingesting, the toxins in their
environment, what theirenvironment's like, their
stressors, and if they take thatto heart and they follow
through the protocol, they'llget results.
So awesome, yeah yeah, and it'smale and female, not just I was
(22:45):
gonna.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
That was my follow-up question on that because so
like, if someone's had hair lossthat's been gone for a while,
like years, male or female isthat reversible?
Speaker 3 (23:00):
ah, that's a great question but really depends on
the person one.
It depends on their age anddepends on how much they've lost
.
So, for instance, in mypractice I'll see people that
have.
I had someone the other daythat came in and he's had.
He's in his late sixties andhe's had hair loss since his
thirties.
But I will tell him once we'vegotten past like 10 years, now
(23:22):
we're the results are going todecline, right?
But just because I love what Ido and I want to try to see what
we can accomplish and somepeople can afford to do that,
some can't but I've treated 70year old patients that have had
a hair loss for 15, 20, 30 yearsand they've gotten results.
The thing is that, yeah, it's,how healthy is the body?
How committed is the person tothe regimen that I'll give them,
(23:44):
because sometimes it includes,you know, scalp massage, deep
massage how committed are theyto doing the protocol at home
and changing their diet andchanging some of their
environmental factors?
But I have about a 90% successrate in terms of regrowth and I
tell them what I think we canachieve In a case where a male
(24:04):
or a female has had hair lossfor, say, 20 years, depending on
the cause, right.
If with a male it's strictlymale pattern baldness and it's
been caused by thedihydrotestosterone, our chances
are lower.
Maybe we'll get 10, 15, 20% newgrowth and in some people that
will really make a difference.
So, for instance, if a guy'spresenting with a pattern like
(24:25):
this and he gets some growth andI have plenty of guys like that
to get that filled in a littlemakes them happy and so it's all
the expectation of the person.
I find that women do better onmy protocols, and I don't know
if it's because we're morecompliant where we're generally
like.
Just tell me what I got to do,They'll do it, Whereas men not,
(24:45):
so not always as much Men canrock the ball to head.
It's funny because it's not anage thing either.
But there are some people, somemales, that no matter how old
they are, the fact of growingbald really truly is traumatic,
and I see it every day.
But for a woman it's just it'sjust it's part of her identity.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
I feel like that's like I have.
I'm blessed with a ton of hair,to the point that I shaved half
of my hair off.
I had like an undercut for thelongest time because even with
that it and having short hair,like when I dyed it, it was like
tube tube.
I have so much hair.
I'm blessed, but my boyfriend'sbald and so he just shaves it.
(25:31):
But I know that he would airstarted growing back.
I know that like he lost itearly and I think it was
probably like his late 20s andso probably about 10 years now.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
That's why prevention is important and I I the
youngest patient I have oneright now who's he's just 18 and
he's an athlete and a lot oftimes I do see that that they're
they are producing a littlemore testosterone and again,
it's not that you have so muchtestosterone that gives you the
loss, it's your balances right.
Yeah, to your system.
(26:06):
But I will say that I reallyhave a heart for younger men who
are losing their hair andwanting to help them with
prevention, because I find oncethey go down the path of drugs
meaning they start usingfinasteride, they start using
dutasteride or they start goingdown the surgery path it's
(26:28):
you're in for life.
You cannot stop, because onceyou start taking those drugs,
you will have to continue oryou'll lose the hair that you've
gained.
And that troubles me because nowa cycle of young men that are
on these drugs and I go in thechat rooms and I see what they
say and everybody's givingeverybody else unsolicited
advice about what they should bedoing and they're telling them
(26:49):
things like, yeah, use amicroneedle and throw minoxidil
on it, and then you take thedutasteride and the finasteride
and you mix it and I'm thinkingthis is yeah, it's going to
affect their sperm counts, theirerectile dysfunction is a
common one.
And then they, of course, themanufacturers, say it's very,
very, very low percentages.
It could be that the populationI treat is a higher.
(27:12):
The fact that they're coming into see me means they do have
those side effects.
But I will tell you that I seeit a lot and it concerns me that
these drugs are never really itdoesn't feel as if there's a
real discussion about it.
I have people come into me allthe time and tell me oh, I went
to the dermatologist, even women, and they're prescribing
(27:35):
finasteride for women andRogaine, and we know some of
these can have cancerous effectson women.
So I think, a bigger discussionabout these drugs and how they
impact young men and women andnot being so easy or so ready to
just throw a pill at thesolution.
Not being so easy or so readyto just throw a pill at the
solution.
Now, because I work in what Ido, I think well, why doesn't
(27:58):
everyone know this?
But people don't know about?
Yeah, they have no idea.
Yeah, so sometimes this is alonely fight.
I have like up there RockyBalboa going, hey, let's get rid
(28:20):
of the drugs.
But people don't know thatthere's other options.
And I truly discovered thisafter working with I was working
with a cosmetic surgeon and Ihad learned about microneedling
and I was working with, I wastrained by someone who worked at
the Grossman burn center.
So we were doing it for postsurgical scar revision.
And then I started noticingthat in areas where there had
been hair growth and we use themicroneedling in the right way,
with the right peptides, hairstarted regrowing.
So that set me on the path oflike well, how do I figure this
(28:43):
out?
And I had a lot of womenclients coming to me saying I'm
losing my hair, what am I goingto do?
And it was just those.
Well, how do I help them?
How do I help them?
I have to help them.
So that was what put me on mypath of discovering this and
then just continuing to educatemyself and then getting more
trainings and then ultimatelydeveloping this.
But my goal was always how do weget, how do we get to a point
(29:06):
of where we can reach theexpectations and make the
patient happier right, withoutaffecting the androgen levels,
without affecting inputtingtoxins or drugs or things that
are going to affect us long-term, or not just doing stuff that
doesn't work.
We can all go online and buyjunk.
That's just gonna.
It doesn't do anything.
There is scientifically validevidence that shows
(29:28):
microneedling is helpful forhair regrowth and there is
scientific, there are clinicaltrials behind peptides and what
they do.
So it's science-backed,evidence-based, and we know that
.
Ozone therapy, while it's stillone of those, it still has a
little controversy around it.
Anecdotally, and with thedoctors I've worked with
regenerative doctors, I workwith bariatric surgeons,
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cardiologists all of them agreethat ozone therapy has been just
a complete game changer,especially for people with
autoimmune conditions.
So when you combine, that you'vegot a real powerful factor and
we're hitting, targeting.
All I target.
I call it the kitchen sink.
Yeah.
For the hair loss.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
That's so amazing.
So it can be reversible if youget to it within a good time
frame, which I think is amazingand it's hopeful because, again,
it's something that not a lotof people talk about and it's
like this shameful process thatyou could be going through and
(30:31):
have no clue that you are doingthe work for that, and I love
that we can talk.
And so what kind of things haveyou done?
Because I know that you'vespoken at different conferences.
Is that correct?
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Yes, so how I discovered what I work with now
this particular formulation is Iwas actually asked to
participate in some clinicaltrials with a company in
California that was using growthfactors from bone marrow and
they asked me to participate intheir trials, which is how I
develop my protocols.
So how often I see a patient,what I do for them?
(31:08):
And I started developing myprotocols and they came back to
me and said your results arebetter than any of the medical
doctors or surgeons.
What are you doing?
And I started developing myprotocols and they came back to
me and said your results arebetter than any of the medical
doctors or surgeons.
What are you doing?
And I said, well, I'll share itwith you.
And then they said would you beinterested in training others
in the protocol?
And I said, well, of course.
So I went down that path andwhile I was doing my research, I
was asked to present myresearch at Boston Biolife
(31:31):
Regenerative Medical Conference.
At Boston Biolife RegenerativeMedical Conference, and they
were mostly regenerative doctorsall spectrum, but medical
doctors who had more of aregenerative path.
They were more interested inprevention versus just
allopathic let's treat thecrisis or the acute problem
right.
So I presented my researchthere and I've done that for the
(31:52):
last four years.
I didn't do it last year.
And then I presented myresearch at AMSPA and A4M, which
is anti-aging management, and Ikeep refining the formulation
and refining the protocol,because I want to continue to
make it better.
(32:16):
Really was just how can we yeah,how can we help people?
How can I show the protocols,show the value to it and show
the research, because you're notgoing to stand up in front of a
bunch of medical doctors andyou have to show.
I really like this idea noanecdotal evidence, clinical
trials behind it and then alsothird-party trials, so the
ingredients I use have all thatbacking.
And then what I did is I've nowtreated probably about 1200 to
(32:40):
1500 patients, and so because Idocument everything I'm very
strict about my documentationand I take photos so I know
exactly where we are, becausepeople want to see their results
right, yeah, it's the beforeand afters.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Those are powerful.
I'm in health industry and Itell all of my customers, take a
before picture.
I know you don't want to see it.
I didn't want to see mine.
I didn't ever want to show mine, ever, ever, ever, ever.
I didn't ever want to show mine.
Ever, ever, ever, ever.
And now I feel like it's themost powerful picture.
(33:18):
Is that before and where youare now, and it's yeah.
So pictures all the time I loveto see ourselves there.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
It's called body dysmorphia.
We get it with hair too, right,you look at it every day.
You're the same person, or eventhe people with you, but
someone doesn't see you for along time and the best
compliment wouldn't be hey, didyou get a hair plug, or did you
get hair plugs, did you get asurgery?
But it would be like you lookreally healthy.
Did you lose?
What did you do?
It's like with plastic surgery,right, people just look really
(33:49):
refreshed and that's generallywhat we can expect.
I've had people that have gotten50% of their hair back and
that's a great outcome, right,and it's not going to always
happen.
But for the most part, Iusually I'm not going to take a
patient on if I can't help them,but I I'm treating someone
right now who had breast cancer.
She's a survivor.
She's been off all treatmentfor eight months and she's grown
(34:13):
.
I've been treating her now forabout four months and she's
gotten just about 80% of herhair back.
So she's responding nicely.
This is it's very, it's veryrewarding to to see that.
So it can be any kind of hairloss.
I think it really again goesback to how do we treat you
internally, how do we look atwhat's going on inside.
One thing that we didn't talkabout that I'd like to touch on
(34:37):
is gut health.
That's another really criticalelement to all this.
Hormones are important and thewhole endocrine system obviously
is key to the health of thebody and gut health too.
So I'm a big fan of probioticsand prebiotics and we can see
there's research on now.
There's a lot of research onhow the gut is tied to.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
It's our second brain , it's probably our first I was
gonna say the same thing.
It's probably our first.
It tells us, like, what to do.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Yeah and we don't.
I don't know any medicaldoctors that when someone walks
in, it says they have hair loss.
The doctor says what's youreating like?
Do you have constipation?
Are you incontinent?
These are all really importantthings for me to.
One of the first things I askpeople is do you have any issues
with constipation or do youhave irritable bowels and leaky
gut?
(35:28):
This tells me that there's.
We got to really look at whatthey're consuming.
Right and all trickle.
It's trickle up, trickle down,trickle everywhere.
Because the hair follicle is anorgan.
It's a mini organ and it'shighly inefficient.
Takes a lot of lactic acid fora for hair to grow right.
(35:49):
So if the body's focused onhealing other parts, it's going
to put hair last.
Most important to us we want toalways look good.
The body says that's asecondary issue to me.
I want your body to be healthy.
So the more we can support itinternally.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
I find this fascinating because, like it's
so crazy, Awesome how much ourbody just can heal itself knows
what, where it needs to targetit's just it blows my mind Every
time someone talks about that.
I'm like, yeah, absolutely sointeresting, so incredibly
(36:33):
interesting how powerful ourbody is.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Beautiful.
It's a beautiful magic.
It's like majestic and Godgiven just one of the most
beautiful thing there is.
You can't, ai cannot touch this, and yet we take advantage of
it.
But it can.
It will heal itself.
It is regenerative and that'swhy it is such a beautiful time
right now to be able tointegrate new methods, new
(37:00):
regenerative methods with, andhopefully get a lot of
allopathic doctors on board with.
Prevention versus just takingacute care, but it's a long path
right Because there's otheragendas at play with a lot of
this.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Yeah, absolutely.
Which is what's frustrating,because I especially for people
that truly want to make adifference.
And there's road, theseroadblocks, right.
So, speaking of roadblocks, Ifeel like, okay, so what is
either a limiting belief or aroadblock that you had to
overcome in order to get towhere you are today?
Speaker 3 (37:37):
Wow, that's.
I didn't expect that and I likethat.
Well, I think probably thebelief that, because I'm not a
medical doctor, people would nottake what I had to say
seriously.
And there are some people thatthink that way, but it was in my
own head, do you?
Know what I mean.
The first time that I spoke infront of a group of doctors, I
(37:59):
was absolutely just terrified.
And it turns out they werelovely because I knew my stuff
right and they knew when theytalked to me that I wasn't just.
But I think for.
So for me I think, well, I'vegot more than one.
(38:34):
I think it has more to do withthe medical community as a whole
and what they will, and won'treally matter what the initials
are.
At the end it's a mindset andI'm finding more and more of
them, part of not having the MDafter my name to say hey, I have
scientifically validatedevidence I can prove to you, I
(38:56):
can show you the results, seethem in the people.
And it's something that comes,still comes up, but it's.
But I now have the time behindme that shows that.
But it still comes up and Istill have to deal with.
It's like a nagging doubt thatwe all, you're not gonna.
It doesn't ever go away.
The little committee, thelittle noise, but now you have
(39:19):
you have ways.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
Yeah, I think that the way that we flip confidence
in ourselves is that we need tocontinue to show up right and
prove like we've alreadyconquered this.
I'm already doing the thing,self.
Let me do the thing, yeah,because I, we all have it.
(39:41):
It's our fight or flight, it'sour protection against the bad
thing, the saber-toothed tiger,whatever and we just have to
continue to remind ourselveslike, hey, self and I'm speaking
to myself at this point too-yeah, like I'm not the old brain
anymore.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
I'm not out hunting, but the brain does like to have
things to worry about, and thoseof us with more active brains
find a lot of things to worryabout so I find I just keep
myself busy and I work, then thenoise shuts down a little bit
you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (40:15):
Yeah, because you're taking actions towards the
things that you're working onand that you feel passionate
about.
So what do you love abouthelping people work through all
of this?
Speaker 3 (40:26):
Well, I love getting results.
That's important because ifthey're not getting results,
people they will tell you ifthey're not happy.
I've had a few people thatdidn't get results and I was the
one that pulled the plug firstand said I don't think we're
getting where I want us to be.
And that's actually rare,because most doctors will not do
that.
They will continue to see youas long as you'll come in and
(40:47):
pay that copay or whatever it is.
So for me, the results matter.
It really does matter.
And what I put my name on isreally important, that it works.
And if it's not, like what didyou do?
Okay, tell me how you did it,why isn't it working?
Because I'm constantly curious.
I want to know what's workingand how we can re-trigger it or
(41:07):
change it to make it better.
But results matter.
But to me it's that just whenthey get their confidence back,
when someone comes in.
I was thinking of a woman that Ijust adored.
She was a Los Angeles patientof mine and she had not gone out
of the house other than she wasa teacher and she was in her
late sixties and would not goout of the house under after
(41:29):
school.
So she had little kidspreschool kids She'd stopped
going out, she wouldn't doanything.
And then she came to me and Itreated her.
In about seven months she gotabout 45% new, she got new
growth right and she came in andshe didn't have topics in her
hair, she didn't have the spraysanymore and she was so excited
(41:49):
she goes Misty.
I'm going with my son, he'streating me on a trip to europe,
but she was now wearing herhair down, not afraid, and to me
that's like the most rewardingto see people come in and go.
I can walk outside, I can, Ican be myself again.
I feel like I can date or I can.
That, yeah, oh goosebumps I know, I know, it gives me that too.
(42:09):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
I love it.
I, yeah, I know I understandthat feeling of like, of just
like.
Seeing somebody's confidencegrow back and just seeing that
transformation.
It's just the best feeling ever.
And you gave them the tools.
They did the work and it'sworking.
Gave them the tools, they didthe work and it's working.
(42:33):
That's like the best thing.
And again, I speak from justthe experience that I've had.
But I can only imagine that'sthe same Like.
You created this and you'regiving them the tools.
Now it's up to them.
And when they make thatdecision of like okay, enough is
enough, I need to get this done, I need to make a change and
(42:55):
that happens.
It's just the best.
So, for you, what daily ritualsdo you say have helped you
reach the level of success whereyou're at now?
Speaker 3 (43:05):
Okay, let's see.
So for me, I am well, I'mactive in a recovery, so I go to
, usually I have a morningmeeting, prayer meeting in a
meeting, and then I think for me, just knowing that I'm able to
be of service, and that is areally important part of my own
(43:26):
recovery, is to be in service toother people.
And I think just there are dayswhen I don't want to do it, I
don't want to show up, I don'twant to have to explain why this
works and why it is different.
I just want people to just doit, shut up and listen and just
do it.
I, I have to always rememberthat I'm dealing with people
that are.
This is a pretty big problem.
You know what I mean.
(43:46):
It's very painful.
So to try to remember to becompassionate and be
compassionate with myself and tobe compassionate with them.
But I think my certainly myspiritual condition is the first
thing, that that's the thingthat has to come first.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
Yeah, absolutely, it's putting our oxygen mask on
first right, absolutely.
I love to travel and that isevery time I hear that I smile
because it was what I had to dofor myself.
I had to stop putting the kidsand everyone else before me.
I had to come first because ifI didn't take care of me, who
(44:19):
was going to?
take care of everybody else,right, so you facilitate that.
The tools and that passion isit just?
I love it.
It got it gets me all emotionalbecause it's so awesome to see
women like focused on something,that know that they're making a
(44:44):
difference, and it's likehelping people, and it's so
powerful.
I love it.
I just I love women that areempowering and that's empowering
to me.
So I just thank you for whatyou do.
I think it's so important andthank you for all of this
information.
I'm so excited for this to comeout.
This was awesome.
(45:05):
Thank you, really.
Just it blows my mind thethings that we don't even know.
And until you know better, wecould do better, and so now it
could be out there more.
And I, you know better, wecould do better, and so now it
could be out there more, and Ijust I'm so, so excited
Listeners, I will put all of herinformation on the show notes,
so thank you so much forlistening.
(45:26):
I hope you all have a wonderfulrest of your day.
Peace out guys.
Love your life.
Bye-bye.
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