June 4, 2025 • 59 mins
Wondering if those viral collagen supplements are actually doing anything?
We cut through the collagen hype with science-backed insights on skin health, joint support, and anti-aging. Learn why most collagen gummies fall short, which types actually work, and how long it really takes to see results.
We also dive into how collagen boosts recovery, what hurts your body’s natural production, and why exercise timing and sleep quality matter more than you think.
Skip the gimmicks, get the facts on collagen, workout recovery, and sleep optimization that actually work.
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Speaker 1 (00:19):
so hot topic.
Hot topic in honor of ramsabsence.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
We're going to talk about viral trends.
What he loves taking scoops andscoops of is Collagen.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Collagen, yeah, collagen.
So what are we thinking?
There's a lot of viral contentgoing on, a lot of people
putting out their ownsupplements.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
So Lemmy's collagen in gummy form.
The dosage in the gummy form islike'm like.
I don't know, it might be atoenail, half a toenail,
something.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
It's very very need, like a whole worth of toenails.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Well, that video is saying like in 30 days things
change for her.
First of all, the dosage ofthat's not enough on there, that
brand.
The thing they did right wasvitamin c, but anything that
comes in gummy form I'm quiteskeptical about when you say
vitamin c, like?
Speaker 1 (01:16):
is vitamin c good in combination with collagen, with?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
collagen, because of you know collagen's like the
building block and vitamin Chelps kind of build those
building blocks of collagen.
And the combination they havethere is good, but it's got a
very small amount of collagen,hydrolyzed collagen, in there.
So for that to have any effectat all, probably not effect at
(01:47):
all.
Um, probably not.
Anything in gummy form I tellpeople to be quite skeptical
about, because you know theyusually are underpowered.
They just taste good.
It's a.
It's great marketing.
Who doesn't like taking gummies?
Yeah, and you know, like who'sgoing to take two gummies?
You can take four or six, youknow, just add sugar to it, yeah
.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Somebody take whatever if you just add sugar
to it.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Yeah, they all got sugar in them.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
That's why everybody used to come to me in undergrad
to make all their jungle juice.
Yeah, they're like this isgreat.
What'd you put in it?
I was like, oh, it's grain,alcohol and Kool-Aid.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Yeah, they're like how do?
Speaker 1 (02:26):
you know the right amount to mix.
I'm like I just keep puttingkool-aid in there until you
can't taste the grain alcohol.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yeah, so it's the same same thing they're going
for.
Yeah, yeah so.
So the lemmy brand, you knownot one that, like, I don't
think it does anything.
Um and beyond that, like,especially not in 30 days like,
for you to see any changes withtaking collagen, especially in
your skin, it's going to take,you know, 8 to 12 weeks of being
(02:55):
on the supplement daily whatwould be the benefits of taking
collagen?
so you know, some of the stuffthey say is true, some of the
stuff they say is false, um,some of it it's anecdotal some
stuff like people like a lot ofit feel the benefits or
something, but it's notstatistically yeah, most of the
studies don't actually like youknow, and they're run by the
(03:17):
industry yeah so you know howmuch of it is true is unknown so
you can say that about prettymuch everything yeah, but some
things have like blinded studiesthat are done appropriately and
not run by the industry.
But um, but a lot of thecollagen stuff's run by industry
and you know they purport whatthey want, but I think a lot of
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it comes to hydration, you know.
I think it's overall hydrationto your skin.
So it does improve, like theplumpness of your skin, but it
does take the eight to 12 weeksand you got to take it daily.
You got to take appropriateamounts and make sure it's like.
The form that you need to getit in is the hydrolyzed form.
(04:01):
There's a lot of other kinds youcould get but the hydrolyzed
because the hydrolyzed form yourstomach can actually absorb
through your gut lining.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
So, rather than breaking it down before it
brings it in and then remakes,it.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
So you're not going to actually remake the collagen,
so your body's going to, soit's a good source of protein
and it's so you're.
You're not going to actuallyremake the collagen, so your
body's gonna, so it's a goodsource of protein and it's a
supplement, and you can't sayit's like directly going into
your skin care yeah, skin care,so you know your body's going to
use that cool yeah, it'singesting it's.
Yeah, your body's going to usethat collagen the best way it
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can, so it could automaticallylike when you take it in.
Some of it's going to go tolike building your skin, but a
lot of it's going to be used tolike whether your body needs it
for energy or something else.
It's going to get used up.
And some of it does go into,like building that video she was
pretty much saying the effectson her abs.
(05:06):
I think right, was she?
Yeah, it doesn't do anythingfor the abs, it doesn't you
don't build, you don't buildmuscle.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Um, you know, collagen, everything but if it's
a healthy diet supplementedwith collagen, like because
you've said it before collagen,collagen with heavy doses in
bone broth, yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
But even that, when you read the studies and stuff,
you can drink gallons andgallons of bone broth but you're
not going to absorb thatcollagen that's in there because
it's not broken down for you tobe able to digest it.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Do you absorb any of that?
Speaker 2 (05:41):
You do, but it's very little amount and it's not in
the form that you need to foryour skin and eat your salt-free
bone broth.
No bone broth is good for youin other ways, but like you're
not taking it for the collagen,so collagens can be naturally
created in your body.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Yeah, and it requires like three amino acids, I
believe Collagens are protein,yeah so, and it requires like
three amino acids.
I believe Collagen is a protein?
Yeah, correct, um, are any ofthose proteins, uh, amino acids,
sorry, essential, like do youhave to ingest anything?
Speaker 2 (06:18):
No, so those are all chains.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
So just brings me to like cause I supplement with
amino acids and collagen.
Yeah, like am I just spending alot on supplements because I
make I, I, I think overall, likeI take it every day I think it
does improve your skin.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
I I take the thorn brand, yeah, and that has a lot
of that.
Has other stuff for skin healthas well.
Um, that are been well testedand the thorn.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Collagen blend or amino acid blend, the thorn
collagen blend do you take andalso I I do I put?
Speaker 2 (06:59):
I put the, their amino complex, which is the nine
essential aminos that your bodydoesn't make, and you have to
take it.
Do you feel?
Speaker 1 (07:06):
at some points like a random thought today.
Yeah, because I take like what,like five, six pills, yeah, in
the morning for a supplement.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
And five powders.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
And the five powders are put in the Yetii jug.
That we both have just to makesure we stay hydrated and get
all all the essentials.
Yeah, do you think we're?
We're kind of like trying toput together whatever it took to
originally like put lifetogether on earth.
Yeah, like, okay, this is likejust sprinkle some more of that
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on there yeah, make.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Well, your body depletes this or that, yeah, you
know, and then that's.
That's the thing with collagentoo, that.
So your body begins to, youknow, decrease collagen after
you're 20 and you're in mid-20s,and then by 30s, production
yeah, and by 30 you're likelosing about one percent
(08:06):
collagen per year.
Okay, in your system.
And you could do things tospeed that up and do you know
what those are.
So something.
What you're describing is isstagflation of my collagen from
recent so smoking, eating sugar,eating poorly, you know um uv
(08:27):
radiation yeah, all that stuff'sgonna decrease the amount of
collagen you're producing andbreak down the collagen you have
.
So that's why you see wrinkling, poor aging with you know, lack
of collagen that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
I haven't met somebody that smokes with nice
thick, plump skin.
Yeah, just like man.
What are you doing?
What's your secret?
Especially good, oh, I smokecigarettes.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
I dip yeah, well, it's especially good when
they're tanning, smoking acigarette and drinking a
margarita, so you're hitting allthree all at once.
So, yeah, collagen is essentialand we both use it.
Yeah, I, I use, I put that, Iput the essential aminos and I
use creatine.
Every day I make a jug andthat's where we're going with
(09:16):
the supplement line we're kindof making is to cover everything
.
Yeah, so you have theall-in-one.
We don't have collagen in there, but you know, it's not not one
of the essential things wethought.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
But everything's in there.
It helps make more collagen,especially at the right doses.
Yes, what's going viral nowabout collagen?
Speaker 3 (09:35):
My favorite collagen brands.
So if you're new to my channel,hi.
My name is Robert Love.
I'm a neuroscientist.
I specialize in helping peopleprevent Alzheimer's disease with
science, and collagen can be areally powerful tool in
anti-aging as well as reducingthe risk of Alzheimer's disease.
If you've seen the research,there's been a recent review
showing that regular collagensupplementation improves skin
(09:58):
quality, specifically improvesskin hydration, it improves skin
elasticity and it reduceswrinkles.
So that's cool.
And the look the longer, theyounger you look, the younger
you feel.
So that could be really good.
Number two there's research toshow that collagen improves bone
density and muscle density inwomen.
That's really helpful and it'sreally important to exercise to
(10:20):
reduce the risk of alzheimer's.
So having healthier bones andhaving healthier muscles enables
you to do more healthy exercise.
So what brands do I take?
So this is one that I've beentaking most frequently.
This is Vital Proteins.
I get this at Costco.
I ordered this online.
It was like 40 bucks.
This is like $30 at Costco, soI bought a whole bunch of this.
I've been taking this for maybesix months.
(10:41):
I like the chocolate the best.
This is the neutral flavor.
This is all they had, and I'mtrying a new kind.
This is Organe CollagenPeptides.
I also got this from Costco.
I haven't tried this out yet,so I can't tell you which one's
better, but I'm testing these tosee which one feels better in
my body.
And then someone just sent thisto me.
By the way, none of these aresponsors of the show.
(11:01):
None of these sponsored mychannel.
I just got sent this one.
This is modere and, uh, thisone looks really promising.
Look, look, how nice it looks.
I'm going to try this out andsee how this feels as well.
So what do you think?
Speaker 1 (11:13):
about that one.
Anytime somebody starts a videowith I'm a, this person like if
if I made a video and I waslike, hey, I'm a plastic surgeon
, it's like that wouldautomatically like turn me off
yeah.
I'm a used car salesman which,hey, our dad was, yeah, and we
(11:35):
technically I was actually for abrief period of time.
Nothing wrong with that, you ownup to it.
But like what do you you?
Why do you have to?
Like you don't give people yourtitle right away, like hey, I'm
a bachelor of arts inpsychology, which this guy
sounds like he has he needs tokind of see a psychologist.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
But but like no, not if he's making sales on tiktok
videos I guess not.
There's some well more moremoney, more problems, right,
maybe, but like his whole, likereason to take collagen to
prevent Alzheimer's with beingyou know.
And, like I said, like thestudies he's reporting, like
(12:18):
look at the studies, who'srunning them, yeah, and what
they're using.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
He's just thrown out these brands that I got.
I gotta tell you the um, I justrandomly not randomly, but like
looking at like differentthings that we've like looked up
for, like what's actually goodwith longevity and like science
of whatever science nature.
Yeah, new england journal is I.
I really like the researchbehind processed red meats and
(12:51):
dose dependent being highlycorrelative to alzheimer's.
Yeah, and it's not like you'rea wholesome grass-fed like red
meats, it's specificallyprocessed red meats and like
your mcdonald's red meat dude,it's hot dogs yeah, hamburgers
(13:12):
like low-end stuff too, I meanit's.
It's the cheaper goods, sothey'll sell.
Yeah, to a certain degree itdoesn't matter.
But do they have collagen inthem?
Not if you supplement with that.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
But you could pour that collagen powder on it.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Right, you can pour the collagen powder on your face
actually.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
You're free to pour it anywhere you want.
So what if they're making thosemeat patties with that collagen
?
Speaker 1 (13:38):
powder.
I'm just going to go to anursing home and just sprinkle
collagen powder on everybody'sface.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Yeah, so their face looks younger, but like he's
talking about alzheimer's andlike it just preventing
alzheimer's.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
I would not take from a self-proclaimed
neurobiologist.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Yeah, let's see so yeah, he's like so your skin
looks healthier, so you're gonnathink like you're younger, your
bones are gonna be stronger,but like those studies you know
no, your bones are alwaysstronger if you forget how weak
they were the day before.
Yeah, exactly, but like, but.
(14:20):
Like he's saying on a femalestudy that I think I know what
studies he's talking about andthat was also industry run and
there's a lot of faults in thatone too Faults and biases and
confounding factors.
Collagen does help is it doeshelp with elasticity, does help
(14:45):
with, um, your skin being moreplump and well hydrated.
That stuff it does.
It does help with even with,like, building bone strength and
, yeah, muscle strength and, inthe females, um so it's not not
to because collagen's everywhereso it's going to help out in
different areas.
(15:05):
The like the first videotalking about hair growth and
stuff like it may help with thehair growth but like hair is
made of keratin, it's notactually collagen.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
So it's a little after watching that video and
looking at my chest hair, I'mlike I might be taking in way
too much collagen.
Yeah, do you rub it on yourchest.
No, I'm about to.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
That might be when you're spilling the scoop on
your chest.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you justsprinkle it on my face and some
of it spills on my chest.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
That's why the beard has to be shaved every day.
But like I was thinking of onthe chest, yeah, just from my
collagen excess yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
So like there hasn't been studies showing like
collagen collagen improves yourhair growth or anything like
that so.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
So what I want to know is like is it better to
take one of these collagensupplements or an amino acid
complex?
Speaker 2 (16:03):
well, if it contains the you know it matters, I don't
know they you know a lot of thestudies like the thing is, a
lot of the studies also like,when you look at it, they're
taking multiple different things, so it's not controlled forget
studies.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Let's do a meta analysis on tiktok stuff.
Yeah, so if you're?
Speaker 2 (16:24):
taking in the same amino acids that are in collagen
and it's going to help out yourelasticity.
But when you're taking theessential aminos, that's helping
more your catecholamines, yourhormones and everything like
that, so it's not going to helpwith your skin health as much.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
So here's my theory when you're taking the building
blocks to make collagen, orwhatever type of protein, yeah,
that your body needs to make,yeah, to just get by or be
better.
It's, uh, if you're deficientin one route, like okay, this is
better for your skin, this isbetter for, like, gut health,
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liver health.
Uh, if you're deficient in anyof them because it's it's like
mix and match, right, yeah, 20amino acids.
Your body grabs a bunch of them, makes a protein out of it and
like delivers it to a certainsystem, so it's, it's almost
like all right, you can takethose specific amino acids to
(17:20):
make collagen, yeah.
However, if they they're neededin a pathway, for it's going to
bind with something else, yeah,it'll bind with something else,
or your body kind ofself-regulates.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
So if you need more going to bone, like, let's say,
two out of those three aminoacids, go to that yeah, but but
like, yeah, the whole thing islike it's a supplement and it's
an additive that you, you couldtake every day, just like a
multivitamin, you know, and likeeven multivitamins just
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recently proven, like they did astudy and like showed to extend
life, um, uh, I gotta go backto that study.
It was just reported a fewweeks ago.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
I couldn't get the full article I think it's
probably biased a little bit,because it probably is, but you
don't know which vitamins andthe they might not just that if
you're in, if you're willing totake a vitamin every day, you're
inherently more willing to takecare of yourself than somebody
that doesn't almost like likehere's the health for like
(18:26):
brushing your teeth, but.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
But the multivitamin was in a controlled setting
where they gave some people andsome people placebo.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
But here's the thing with people.
Yeah, were they at the 7-eleven?
Speaker 2 (18:37):
yeah, with stuff with what you're trying to do with
collagen and skin care, like,yeah, it's going to help, I
think, like supplementing, likewhen you're trying to heal stuff
or when you, you know, like wedo microneedling or laser
treatments.
I think, when you're doingthose treatments, to increase
the collagen in your skin, it'sprobably helpful to have that to
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so you're able to produce more.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
So you're saying supplement definitely.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
So you're saying supplement definitely if you're
doing any type of I think it'shelpful that makes a lot of
sense actually, yeah, and likedoing appropriate skincare and
that's where you're gonna see,you know, direct effect of, yeah
, the the collagen, not actuallyputting the collagen on your
skin, because that's not goingto work because your body's not
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going to absorb that collagen.
Um, it's, you know, taking that.
You're so, internally, yourbody's making it and it's had
this trauma that it's going toproduce more collagen so it has
the food to be able to right.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Correct the building blocks to the building blocks,
like we always hear in, like medschool, yeah, um, but the
building blocks to have theappropriate response for the
treatment you're getting, yeah,so like, get the appropriate
things and supplement to reallyget the full effect of yeah what
(20:00):
, what?
Whatever you're getting done isgonna like you.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
So collagen is in everything.
It's pretty much thescaffolding, or you could you
know if you've got a wood-framedhouse, it's the wood frame to
the house.
You know, type 1 and 3 are inlike your bones.
2 is in your cartilage, 3 is inyour cartilage.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
um, uh, three is in your vessels.
Uh, yeah, that's right.
Right, three's in the vessels.
I I don't know.
Yeah, yeah, it's in muscles.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
I used to what I needed to know, but yeah three
is in muscles, tendons, um, Ithink four's in your vessels,
endothelial lining, uh, sothey're building blocks and
everything you have it's a niceconnective tissue, like even,
even if, like from what you'resaying is like even in tissues
(20:58):
that you don't think, collagenis there, yeah, it's still there
, supporting the system.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
yeah, keeping things together, yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
And you know like paying more for some of these
supplements over others it's.
You know, collagen is usuallypretty cheap peptide to be able
to get.
And then you know there'sdifferent stories about, like
you know, marine collagen versusbovine collagen or cow collagen
(21:28):
versus, you know, pig collagen,which one's better and one's
better than the other, Likethere's no, you know, I think
there was one study that saidlike the marine collagens better
for skin but not for.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
What are marine collagens From?
For skin, but not from dolphinfins, yeah, from dolphin?
Speaker 2 (21:48):
really no, I don't know what they're from.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
I was like.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Dolphin fins sound like a really good source of
collagen, but if you're eatingvegan collagen, that's not true
collagen.
So yeah, if you're, if you'reeating vegan.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
You're not eating.
Eating, yeah, correct, yeah,okay, I don't know what that
means Like fish bones.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Well, yeah, it's from fish, so it could come, yeah,
probably from bones and stuff.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
I think an understudied thing is actual
absorption.
Yeah, because, like a lot ofpeople take a lot of different
supplements.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
And from different brands, and it's clearly why we
picking our brains the way we do.
We think they have the bestabsorption yeah there's no like
actual studies to like go off of, like.
Okay, you know what I'm takingthis to benefit me this way and
this way and this way.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
You can also have genetic abnormalities where
you're not absorbing it eithertoo, or digesting right.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
True, or just like the microbiomes don't break
things down the way they'resupposed to.
So I don't know.
I'm still going to take mysupplements.
I'd started like four monthsago.
I feel better every day.
I sleep better and also beenexercising, so that helps out,
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but it's good to be able to likesupport the whole body, yeah,
while putting yourself throughthat strain.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Yeah, I think like, especially when I started taking
GLP-1s, when I didn't takecollagen and then I started the
Thorne skin collagen, I thinklike I definitely noticed more
plumpness in my skin, especiallylike in my cheeks and face,
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where I felt like I was reallygetting hollowed out with taking
the glp-1s you didn't look dead, no more no, look at me.
I'm woke so, um, and the otherthing is, like you know, thorn
does a lot of the anti-aging andanti-inflammatory stuff and
they have so much stuff, it'sit's hard to keep up with
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everything yeah, but even thatcollagen, that collagen plus, it
has like mitoheal, which isknown to, it's like black
currant and it's known to andbeen shown in studies to improve
skin and healing and it hasnice, nice in her nicotinamide
(24:25):
riboside, which is greatanti-aging and I think just
cellular hydration is a bigpoint of this whole collagen.
Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
But that actually is a good point because that's like
the osmotic pressure yeah,Correct, Like collagen, strong
protein in a lot of differentcells, and the osmotic pressure
is concentration of protein towater and if you have more
protein, most cell membraneswill get water to go through it.
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To balance out that protein towater, that protein water
balance, I guess you would callit.
And yeah, if you're properlyhydrated with the proper amount
of proteins, then that osmoticbalance is optimal to like.
(25:25):
Just make sure your bodysystems are in the right balance
, I guess.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Yeah, I don't know.
So actually eating you knowwhen they talk about.
You know when I tell you youcan't take bone broth to improve
collagen but eating chickencartilage, actually you absorb
that.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
No shit.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Yeah, there was one study on that.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Dude, I've been like ridiculed for the amount of
chicken cartilage I eat.
You often eat chicken wing.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Yeah, I think it's actually no shit.
Yeah, oh, yes.
You actually like get somebenefits of that.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
I think it was um type 2 collagen like uh, joint
health just like the the caps atthe end of the chicken bones,
right, yeah, yeah, I knew I wasdoing something right, because
um people like, oh, you're sounhealthy.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
I'm like I don't know , yeah, I might actually be
healthy.
The other thing with a bonebroth is like how it's prepared
and stuff too.
Yeah, it makes a hugedifference in like the nutrients
and stuff you absorb.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
How about with the nutrient labels?
Like kettle and fire with likeeight ounces getting you 20% of
your protein?
I don't know.
Like know what, do you think?
Speaker 2 (26:42):
it's a shit ton of sodium it's like, there's like
60 of your daily value of sodiumyeah, but you can't say 20 of
your protein, because that'sokay, 19 grams of protein yeah,
that's more like it, becauseyeah matters your body weight
and body weight yeah what youneed so but really chicken
cartilage yeah, I can't wait.
(27:04):
Yeah, next time I get ridiculedfor this.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Yeah you know how many times I've been harassed by
multiple people like dude thatyou're gonna eat, you're gonna,
you're gonna rape that chickenbone like a man you must be
hungry.
Yeah, because you just stripthat down to everything.
Best part of it?
Damn it, is it just us two?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
There's got to be other people in the world that
well, like the funny thing is,um, I was reading, like the
chicken, chicken.
Uh, when they use the chickenfor the cartilage, they use the
breast, their breast bone thatbig breast cartilage.
They grind that down to createcollagen.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
I love that.
It's like my favorite part of achicken.
Or turkey is like that littlexiphoid process.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
That stuff's great yeah, you know, like we have it
in our post-op uh protocol.
We recommend uh patients takecollagen uh with the healing
process, because and a coupleturkey breasts.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Yeah, couple turkey breasts.
Yeah, it's like your xiphoidcartilage.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Yeah yeah, because it's going to help out overall.
It's going to help out overall.
It's going to help out yourhealing process and get you
hydrated as well.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
Yeah, that's a huge part.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
I think it plays a huge part in just hydrating
yourself.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Especially in a time of stress, because after surgery
that is a high-st stresssituation for your body.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Yeah, and you don't get the blood flow to the
appropriate areas because youhave swelling in those areas
that have been traumatized, sothat swelling decreases the
actual blood flow that you'regetting yeah.
So until that blood, until thatswelling comes down, you're not
going to get as much blood flow, because you're going to have
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all these People get swellingbecause of inflammation is just
a natural way of the body toheal.
Yeah, the initial inflammatoryphase of healing is your
inflammatory process?
Yeah, yeah, we talked abouthydrolyzed collagen.
If you're going to, if you'regoing to take collagen, make
sure it's hydrolyzed and if it'scomplex, together with vitamin
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C.
Or eat an orange with yourcollagen, protein, pineapple
juice, collagen, peptide coffeethat you drink, or pour it into
your orange juice.
That could be a good combo toget it well absorbed.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
So, if I'm chewing on the bones, I give my dogs.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Before I do that, I should take some vitamin C
tablets.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
But if you're French and you have your cup of coffee
pour your collagen powder smokea cigarette and drink your
orange juice.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Wear orange, black and white striped shirt.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Yeah, yeah, that's probably like dehydrating you
from the caffeine.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
The sugar's doing you wrong, the smoking's doing you
wrong, but you save so muchenergy from not shaving your
armpits.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Yeah, we're going after the french market shaving
your armpits or using deodorantor taking a shower.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Yeah, coming from a couple times a week is good oh,
there was a oh that thatactually that's a great segue.
There's a study, um, it waslike showering regularly is not
good for you.
It like decreases like yournatural, like body oils for your
skin and stuff, yeah, which Itotally agree with.
(30:46):
But the other side of theargument is like did you not
take a shower to decrease orincrease the body oils in your
skin?
You just try not to smell likeshit, yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Well, that's, that's what I always try to discuss
with my wife, because she likesto give the kids, but she does
it more for the routine.
But no, I don't know, does shedo it for the routine or she
thinks they need to be spotlessBecause I'm like no just let
them get their own oil.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
In this case, just dip them in bleach for like a
few seconds, yeah, but likeAshton Kutcher and what's her
name?
Mila.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Kucic got in trouble because they said they don't
bathe their kids until theysmell.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Dude Ashton Kutcher looks like he smells Like I love
his work, but he looks like hesmells like I love his work,
yeah, but he looks like hesmells yeah but I like, I think
I I personally agree with likenot washing until they smell.
Yeah, either.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Um, there's, there's really no reason to like no, I
ended up with all all like skinissues I still have my teenage
years because, yeah, our mom waslike you gotta scrub that out,
it's like, scrub that out.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
And then like, oh, maybe the flakes are because
you're scratching my scalp sohard, and then put all the
lotion no, no, add more soap.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
It wasn't lotion, it's video, it's just soap
drying everything out.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Yeah, like no, no, um , hydration or anything like
that.
Yeah, yeah, I actually like it.
I would I would take a mask ifI was ever invited to go meet
ashton kutcher.
It's even his character in the70s show.
He definitely smells.
Yeah, like I love what he does.
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I don't hate that he smells,it's alright it's alright to
smell.
It's easy coming from me, yeah.
I'm just, but your daughter kindof plays that oh, yeah, she's
starting to like showering, justcause she's just like, oh, this
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feels nice, yeah, but she'sjust like, oh, this feels nice,
yeah, uh, but it's just like, eh, no, I showered yesterday.
It's like, yeah, but did you?
Speaker 2 (33:08):
I kind of feel bad for my kids because I think our
showers, our bath is kind ofcold and like oh, I try to get
shy.
Oh, you got.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Shy doing cold plunges.
Well, he's pretty much doingcold, three-year-old cold
plunges we don't fill thebathtub.
No, but I just stick them inthe freezer for a couple minutes
.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Nothing crazy, but he could come and take a steam
shower, but he never wants to.
He wants to go in the bathtub,but the bathtub, I think, is
cold, but they're like in thereso, and it's not like pam
doesn't like them getting dirty,so it's not like there's warm
water in the tub running,they're just, it's just empty oh
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god so yeah, so I'm like thisis like I wouldn't want to take
that shower.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
I'm like this is a villain's origin story.
It's like this guy becomes MrGlass.
I know exactly why.
It's because of his baths.
Yeah, forced baths before yousmell.
Yeah, I actually kind of likeagree with the baths when you
smell.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Well, we grew up in Iran, and in Iran you took
showers every other day.
You didn't do it every day.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Yeah, right.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
So it wasn't like a daily routine.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
And we were well off too.
So like, if it's actually acost restraint not just thinking
Iran like place, like India,china if it's a cost restraint
to not shower every day, you'regoing to save that water for
something.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
So I went two years without using soap.
Did I tell you that no?
Speaker 2 (34:51):
So you were just washing with water, water.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
There's no reason for soap.
There's nothing natural aboutsoap.
There's no reason for soap.
There's nothing natural aboutsoap.
God in the Old Testament islike thou shalt use Irish
springs to smell zesty, fresh,like it's never a thing.
There's no way soap's like thatgood for you.
I don't know, I don't know.
(35:16):
You're big on microbiomes.
Microbiomes on your skin issomething I don't have.
Great skin it that experimentdidn't go great like it didn't
help my skin issues.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
The thing is nowadays you kind of need that
antibacterial, like maybe in theearly days you didn't, but like
now like people carry all thiscrap.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
That you need to get off your skin.
I don't know it matters yourskin's gonna be able to fight
that off.
If you're, it matters what kindof shady cats you're like,
hugging and stuff, Dude we'rephysicians, so it's a lot
different, which is good.
That gives us like a PowerPoint.
Like our microbiome on our skinshould be able to fight off
everything, because we'veencountered everything at the
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hospital.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Yeah, that's why you need peptides to just like have
a strong immune system.
So no, you don't, you don't letyour body rock it out like yeah
, it's better than antibiotics.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
like just, I don't know that, yeah, but either way,
I I did.
I hate to say it, but I I didstart using soap again.
Sarah was just like so pissedoff.
Anytime I told people it's likeyou can't just tell people you
don't use soap anymore I waslike oh no, I feel really
strongly about this, fuck soap.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
Like this is not just like okay.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
I just like you just can't tell people that you would
put deodorant on yeah, so thatdoesn't make people that.
But you would put deodorant onyeah, so that doesn't make any
sense.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Oh, it was all natural stuff.
That was kind of useless too.
It's like Tom's from Maine,tom's from Maine.
It's like rubbing eucalyptus onmy armpits.
I was actually better atmanscaping then.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Because, like, if you get rid of of the hair, you get
rid of a lot of the smells yeahbut there was like two days in
a row where I like actuallysmelled myself like just doing
normal stuff, and I was like I'mtotally against the industrial
soap complex but I'm willing touse soap again so what are your
(37:21):
thoughts about?
Speaker 2 (37:22):
you know, like I started trying like the
all-natural, like deodorants andstuff there's a good one, but
like then going all the waytowards like where they have
like paper, like packet, likethe whole things, like oh, like
they smell great, but I just ruba gypsy on my armpit like once
(37:43):
a week, yeah like the thingssmell great, but I'm like I get
you have to push the thing upyourself.
I'm like what are we in the 80s?
And like I, I know, but it'ssaving on plastic.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
But dude, there's.
There's so much stuff out there.
Even at walgreens, where youdon't expect all natural things,
there's rows and rows of allnatural stuff.
So for me, because of my skincondition, I I just go for
something that my skin reallydoes not react to yeah so that's
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the route I take.
Yeah, so I don't even careabout the qualities, as long as
like covers up scent for like alittle bit of time yeah but it
does like doesn't flare up myskin.
That's what I go with I reallylike the Hume.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
I mean Whole Foods carries it.
Now I bought it from the Voryclothing shop and then I was
like, oh, this smells reallygood.
I ordered it online.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
and then I was like, oh, walgreens carries it, I
can't believe like I mean, weuse it too, the ingredients in
antiperspirants.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
We're really suffocating our sweat glands.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
Like you know what, Sorry guys, yeah, Shut the fuck
up.
I'm going to go around town notsweating Like with what
Aluminum parabens.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
I wonder how, like because people talk about
increased cancer, like how comewe didn't see more people?
Speaker 1 (39:22):
with armpit cancer, but systemically it's got to do
something.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Does it lead to more breast cancer.
I get afraid, because I keep onputting my phone on my lap and
I'm like oh, I thought,definitely gonna get.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
I thought you were saying about like putting gold
bond on your yeah no, balls noyeah, do this.
I don't know, I'm afraid of myphone, I'm sorry, my balls are
smelly as shit like there'snothing chemical going close to
there.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
I never powdered my, I don't either, yeah I was like
I just never understood it, likelike one of my chief residents
would walk out and he had likeyou're just like you're gonna
walk out, looking like that,like there's evidence on the
outside.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
I know what are you doing?
Like you got a shit pit in yourcrotch.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Yeah, I'm like that's what you do to kids.
I'm like what the hell are youdoing to yourself?
Speaker 1 (40:33):
The stuff people, educated people do.
Yeah, it's great.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
Yeah, I'll never forget it.
He always had powder down there, like walking around the
hospital with powder it'sfloating around you.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
What's his name?
From the peanuts Pigpen.
It's like dude, you're thepigpen of baby powder.
Stop that shit.
We don't need to be inhalingthat.
Replace it with collagen powder.
Yeah, collagen powder, like.
Stop that shit.
Like we don't need to beinhaling that, replace it with
collagen powder.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Yeah, collagen powder , that will topically grow.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Collagen powder to gold bod, gold bod.
So I sent you that articleabout the working out.
Keep it at least four hoursbefore your bedtime.
Yeah, what do you think youdidn't read?
Speaker 2 (41:27):
the paper.
No, I did.
Oh nice, I was actually like.
I was actually like I'm likeright on the edge because I get
home and I'm like I got to workout.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
Really, I never work out at home.
I mean after I get home and I'mlike I got to work out.
Really, I never work out athome.
I I mean after I get home, Iwork out in the morning.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
I used to do it in the morning but, like, my son,
sleeps in my room and all myworkout equipment's there.
So, um, especially now when Iget home, I bought him his own
little bench and little bike.
So when I get home he's usuallylike hey, daddy, let's go work
out, you know.
Or if he, if I'm home early inthe morning, I'll work out in
the morning.
But most of the time it's like,you know, I got to be at the
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hospital by seven 30.
So, um, I so I'll get theworkout in at nighttime, but I
try to do it at like six o'clockand what time do you go to bed?
Speaker 1 (42:21):
10, 9?
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Usually 9, 9, 10 o'clock.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
I haven't found it to affect my sleep when I was
younger.
That's the only time I workedout Like when I was in plastic
surgery residency I could, andthat's why it made it tough for
me when I moved here to get intoCrossFit because I used to work
out at 9 pm.
That was my CrossFit class thatI used to make.
(42:45):
In Arizona there's no 9 pmCrossFit classes.
They were all like ending at 6,7.
So it made it tough to work outat that time.
No, I like working out firstthing in the morning.
I think that's like the idealsituation and that's when I know
I'm not going to work out inthe afternoon.
(43:06):
I'll just do the resistancebands and the bike in the
morning, or I'll try to get thebike in at least in the morning
and then at nighttime just dothe you know tonal resistance
training.
I think it does affect becauseit increases your heart rate and
you want to kind of calm allthat down before going to bed.
But my routines, usually youknow, when my son goes to bed I
(43:32):
lay on the my red light mat forat least half an hour 45 minutes
and that thing makes me sweatit out and I think that routine
kind of gets me into that deepersleep phase.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
Well, the red light is almost.
Uh, wait, the red light or thered light sauna.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
No, I'm on a red light mat that has Nair and Far
Infrared lights and then it alsohas PMF in it and it's a
grounding mat, so it has like asix in one, but I don't use the
TENS unit on it.
I did at the beginning for mylower back, but now I don't use
it and I think that's made ahuge difference and like
(44:14):
inflammation, my back pain andeverything, and I I think that's
something that I'm gonna bringon with like post-op care, like
the patients also like 300 bucksa night, I can come by throw
some chicken bones out.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
Yeah and yeah, be your shaman.
Yeah, be your witch doctor, youcan eat chicken bones.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
The sleep you get after that, you can eat the
chicken bones, oh yeah, for thecollagen, yeah, yeah, so.
Speaker 1 (44:44):
So the study showed that exercise greater than four
hours from sleep time.
Less than four hours from sleep, no more than four hours from
sleep time.
Less than four hours from sleep, no more than four hours, oh,
less than four hours reducesleep quality.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
Yeah, sleep quality.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
And this by the wearables that brand you're
wearing right now.
Yeah, which is awesome to see,because the coolest part about
this I know I'm nerding out ondata I was just like, oh man,
they started starting off with1.3 million subjects yeah like
(45:21):
that, that is cool.
Like that, like amount of data,like you can't like and I'm
like very hopeful for, like whatthese wearable datas are yeah
what these wearable data isgoing to show in the long run.
But, like I was just like oh,that's awesome to start with.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
They just got to get better batteries for your phone.
With all the hookups I got toBluetooth to my phone, it runs
out.
I got to charge it fully likethree times a day.
You got to just plug your headin like the.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
Matrix once a night, You'll be fine.
Plug your head in like thematrix once a night, you'll be
fine, yeah, but but um, the thethings that I saw, there wasn't
that much of a differencebetween four to eight hours.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
And it also went by intensity of workout.
Where I think intensity ofworkout went by, I'm pretty sure
it went by heart rate.
So like, if your heart ratehits 180, yeah, even if you're
working out just as hard assomebody, that's really fit that
their heart rate went up to 120yeah your workout is going out
(46:24):
as way more intense yeah andthat kind of shows because, like
those graphs, they showed theones hitting max intensity, no
matter which time length it was.
it might not be statisticallydifferent but, like, if you look
at the charts, it's like maxintensity is always worse than
medium intensity versus lowintensity and I think that plays
(46:48):
a stronger part where, like, ifyou work out regularly, it
doesn't matter what time youwork out.
Yeah, I probably wouldn't workout within two hours of going to
sleep yeah but like, yeah, fourhours seems ideal at the most,
but um, but that was, that wasmy takeaway.
Speaker 2 (47:08):
I don't know what you thought about that just like
you know there's more and morestudies and like a lot of things
like where you don't need to beat these high intensity levels.
You know it's not good for youroverall health as long as, and
like more and more things areshown to be.
Like you know, if you're notactive and moving all day long
(47:31):
and being sedentary, you needthese high activities to try to
make up for being inactive forthe rest of the day.
But I think overall you justneed low source of activity.
Speaker 1 (47:46):
Just regular.
There were studies before thatshowed that low-intensity
exercise what's it?
Zone B or?
Speaker 2 (47:54):
Yeah, low intensity just correlates more with
compliance.
Speaker 1 (47:57):
Yeah, so like, if you go and like just run your ass
off and you hit like zone fiveor six or whatever the hell it
is like max heart rate, thelikelihood you're going to
return to do that exercise againthe next day, the day after,
the day after, is lower andlower.
(48:18):
Where, like just get your heartpumping and do it regularly,
like do it once a day, not like,even if it's 10 minutes, 20
minutes, and then potentiallylike just just go from 10
minutes to 20 minutes, whetherit's a bike ride, on a treadmill
, even if it's walking, and thenat that 20 minute mark it's
(48:41):
just trying to come up with it's.
It's not gonna you're not gonnabe mr olympia doing this yeah
but like you build up to 20minutes and then do intervals
yeah at that 20 minutes.
So like warm up for three tofive minutes and then one minute
go really hard.
One minute cool down, oneminute hard and then you reduce
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that interval.
Time.
Yeah, I think that would be areally reasonable way for people
to get like in really good,like, uh, cardiac fitness yeah,
your vo2 max increase yeah, yeah, yeah exactly yeah, that's you
know.
Speaker 2 (49:19):
Like even I use the carol bike, which you know, you
do two 20 second sprints um ineight minutes, and you do that
two or three times a week andthat's better than running every
day, uh for an hour, yeah, youknow.
So you know you're just pushinguh to a certain level only for
(49:41):
you know, and that just buildsup your resistance and goes down
.
That's ai generated yeah um, II think you know there's
different complexities and, likedifferent people's bodies
respond differently to differentstressors Is HRV higher.
Speaker 1 (49:57):
for females it's heart rate variance.
Speaker 2 (50:02):
I think, I don't know .
I thought it would be lowerbecause they're higher stress.
So it's supposed to be higher,it's going to be better for you.
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (50:11):
What's a typical HRV for you?
I'm not.
What's a typical hrv for youfor me?
Sleep, yeah uh, horrible.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
20 it's no, it it's improved like 30, 45, because oh
really, that's really good.
Before the mine's like 16 to 20before the eight sleep I was
like I was like 15 to 20 um, andthat's with my whoop, uh, but
(50:38):
like well, that study we weretalking about was from my aura
ring actually, but that previousstudy we were talking about was
from with the whoop yeah, um,but it improved like I thought.
Know, last week I tried to setthe temperatures colder because
I saw, like you know, the firstweek I got it and I had it on
(51:00):
colder settings, like my heartrate was like in the 60s and my
HRVs were going 60s, 70s, nice.
But now it's like it's not that, it's like 65 to 70, which it's
still lower than what it usedto be, Like, my resting was
always 70 and above, but I don'tknow if that's more me working
(51:21):
out more or more consistently.
Speaker 1 (51:23):
Either way, it's a good goal to have.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
Well, I'm doing the tonal workouts versus my
20-minute bursts of workouts Iwas doing before my 20 minute
bursts of workouts, I was doingbefore.
Um, whether it's that, um, orwhat if it's the eight?
Speaker 1 (51:40):
sleep that, but like my hrv is definitely improved.
Um okay, since mine kind ofsucks, I'm just trying to
compare it to like what sarahgets, because what does she?
Speaker 2 (51:47):
get dude she's because you're supposed to be at
80 to 120.
Really, yeah, yeah, that'sgonna be healthy.
Speaker 1 (51:54):
Okay, that makes sense, yeah because I'm my
resting heart rate's in the 70s.
I'm lucky to get in the 60ssome nights.
Yeah, my hrv is like 20 yeahand one morning I got up I was
like, wow, look at this goodnight of rest.
Yeah, it's like resting heartrate like 55.
Hrv is like 70.
(52:15):
And Sarah's complaining to meabout how bad her sleep was.
I was accidentally under herside of the bed for the data, so
I'm like no, mine's actuallyresting heart rate of 75, hrv of
20.
I'm not at like resting heartrate of 75, HRV of 20.
I'm not at like resting heartrate of 55.
Speaker 2 (52:36):
Yeah, I thought the females would have higher HRVs
I'm not sure or lower HRVs, butI'm not definite.
Speaker 1 (52:44):
Okay, no, I was just asking Pam's heart rate's like
in the 50s too.
Speaker 2 (52:49):
Yeah, the female heart rate's like I don't know.
Well, Pam's younger than me, soI it's said.
That's what it was I got atheory.
When it's, when it's, the bloodis that cold, it doesn't need to
be pumped as fast but it's alsolike you got to think muscle
mass right, like lower musclemass I I sarah probably has
(53:13):
about similar muscle mass as mejust well, you gotta put her on
the in body and see who has moreskeletal muscle mass I actually
probably have more than her,but I weigh like 40 pounds more
yeah so yeah, odds are.
Speaker 1 (53:29):
I've stacked the odds against you.
Speaker 2 (53:31):
All right, all right.
We got to just get you ontestosterone.
Speaker 1 (53:37):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (53:38):
You'll get better sleep.
Your HRV will improve.
Speaker 1 (53:41):
Oh, we're going to do it Build more muscle.
Going to test out the T.
Going to test out thetestamoylin growth
hormone-releasing peptides.
Going to test out GLP-1s?
Yeah, and I got before pictures, so the after picture is going
to come.
Seriously, there's a hugedifference compared to like,
(54:01):
because I started this inJanuary, yeah, when it was.
Just I haven't been phenomenalwith my diet, but I've, like,
definitely improved my diet bigtime, but I've exercised
regularly.
Yeah, and that's like three tofive times a week.
Speaker 2 (54:16):
Exercise in itself definitely changes the skin tone
Like.
Speaker 1 (54:20):
I think oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (54:21):
Younger, more or less , and all that Like I feel like
it's definitely made animprovement.
Speaker 1 (54:28):
I think so.
It's it.
It's definitely improves bloodflow and lymphatic flow.
Yeah, through your subcutaneoustissue in your skin.
Speaker 2 (54:38):
Yeah, the more you move it's you know what's an
impressive peptide that umdoesn't get talked about much,
but um pam just started takingit um because we're thinking of
going through ivf again and it'syou know, she's just trying oh
yeah, you can't wait for thatabout some of the stuff I talk
(55:00):
about, but like epithelon, shestarted taking epithelon.
She actually like she's like shehad such great sleep deep.
She's like I've never sleptlike this in my life, um, that
she's like she injected her momtwo nights later.
She's like you got to do thisbecause her mom's got a lot of
anxiety and she doesn't want togo to sleep.
So epithalon is a pineal glandpeptide, um, and it's known to
(55:27):
like regulate your circadianrhythm and like your hormonal
balances and stuff.
So, um, yeah, she's been nicerto me, gets better sleep.
Speaker 3 (55:37):
So I think, overall, other than our um 15 month old
crying in the middle of thenight I think, um, yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (55:45):
I think it's definitely a good like
stabilizer and, on top of it,like the russian studies on this
stuff is crazy because they didstudies 10 days of injections
twice a year for two years anddecreased mortality rate by 20
because it increases yourtelomerase length and it's great
(56:08):
anti-aging and a lot of it hasto do with regulating your
circadian rhythm, where you'rere-releasing the melatonin to go
to sleep and stay asleep yeah,so that, yeah, the like comes
back to like how strong likesleep is for, like your, your
longevity.
Yeah, like you you know, before,like this whole like biohacking
(56:33):
thing and stuff took.
I remember like listen to daveasprey and he's like I'll sleep
when I die.
And he used to say, like youonly need three, when, when he
was selling the bulletproofcoffee, he's like you only need
three to five hours of sleep,you don't need more than that.
And now it's a total.
Like everyone talks about sleepand how important and you're
(56:53):
supposed to get seven to ninehours of sleep.
I don't get anywhere close tonine, but like I usually range
between six and seven.
Speaker 1 (57:01):
Yeah, try to get seven, that's.
That's always the like.
Get to bed by 9 30.
Speaker 2 (57:07):
Wake up by 5 30 I could usually go to bed by eight
, but like then, I usually wakeup in the middle of the night
and I can't get back to sleep.
That's the it's not even themiddle of the night sometimes I
wake up at like at 10 11 o'clockat night yeah or 1 am.
Speaker 1 (57:20):
1 am is the worst time to get up and not be able
to fall asleep.
Speaker 2 (57:24):
Yeah, just like um, at the beginning, with the eight
sleep, like I'm like I gottaget it back to those settings
because like I was sleeping pastseven and I'm like I didn't
know how I was sleeping, becauseright now I wake up at five
o'clock every like five, fivethirties, like my body clock
(57:44):
just wakes me up no matter whatyeah, same here.
Speaker 1 (57:48):
I wake up before my 5.30 alarm.
Speaker 2 (57:50):
Yeah, maybe I should move the clock back up to 9.30,
the alarm clock on there Justdon't be afraid to heat it back
up by one, and just see how yourbody responds to it.
Yeah, no, I heated it back upand I creeped up on the temps to
kind of see how much.
Speaker 1 (58:10):
But like Arizona, weather's been nuts too yeah,
it's like just been cold onenight hot one night we went
through like a hot spree.
Sarah's like oh no, it's goingto be hot for the rest of the
year.
Speaker 2 (58:21):
I'm like yeah chances probably not, but if it does
happen, I'm like when we hit maythat's likely, but in april
it's still questionable.
Speaker 1 (58:31):
Oh yeah, March, when it's like 80s, 90s degrees.
That's when she was starting toflip out.
Like this is too hot.
Yeah, Better than too cold.
Speaker 2 (58:43):
Yeah, all right.
All right, that's it.
Speaker 1 (58:46):
That's a wrap.
Music.
so hot topic.
Hot topic in honor of ramsabsence.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
We're going to talk about viral trends.
What he loves taking scoops andscoops of is Collagen.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Collagen, yeah, collagen.
So what are we thinking?
There's a lot of viral contentgoing on, a lot of people
putting out their ownsupplements.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
So Lemmy's collagen in gummy form.
The dosage in the gummy form islike'm like.
I don't know, it might be atoenail, half a toenail,
something.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
It's very very need, like a whole worth of toenails.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Well, that video is saying like in 30 days things
change for her.
First of all, the dosage ofthat's not enough on there, that
brand.
The thing they did right wasvitamin c, but anything that
comes in gummy form I'm quiteskeptical about when you say
vitamin c, like?
Speaker 1 (01:16):
is vitamin c good in combination with collagen, with?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
collagen, because of you know collagen's like the
building block and vitamin Chelps kind of build those
building blocks of collagen.
And the combination they havethere is good, but it's got a
very small amount of collagen,hydrolyzed collagen, in there.
So for that to have any effectat all, probably not effect at
(01:47):
all.
Um, probably not.
Anything in gummy form I tellpeople to be quite skeptical
about, because you know theyusually are underpowered.
They just taste good.
It's a.
It's great marketing.
Who doesn't like taking gummies?
Yeah, and you know, like who'sgoing to take two gummies?
You can take four or six, youknow, just add sugar to it, yeah
.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Somebody take whatever if you just add sugar
to it.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Yeah, they all got sugar in them.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
That's why everybody used to come to me in undergrad
to make all their jungle juice.
Yeah, they're like this isgreat.
What'd you put in it?
I was like, oh, it's grain,alcohol and Kool-Aid.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Yeah, they're like how do?
Speaker 1 (02:26):
you know the right amount to mix.
I'm like I just keep puttingkool-aid in there until you
can't taste the grain alcohol.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yeah, so it's the same same thing they're going
for.
Yeah, yeah so.
So the lemmy brand, you knownot one that, like, I don't
think it does anything.
Um and beyond that, like,especially not in 30 days like,
for you to see any changes withtaking collagen, especially in
your skin, it's going to take,you know, 8 to 12 weeks of being
(02:55):
on the supplement daily whatwould be the benefits of taking
collagen?
so you know, some of the stuffthey say is true, some of the
stuff they say is false, um,some of it it's anecdotal some
stuff like people like a lot ofit feel the benefits or
something, but it's notstatistically yeah, most of the
studies don't actually like youknow, and they're run by the
(03:17):
industry yeah so you know howmuch of it is true is unknown so
you can say that about prettymuch everything yeah, but some
things have like blinded studiesthat are done appropriately and
not run by the industry.
But um, but a lot of thecollagen stuff's run by industry
and you know they purport whatthey want, but I think a lot of
(03:40):
it comes to hydration, you know.
I think it's overall hydrationto your skin.
So it does improve, like theplumpness of your skin, but it
does take the eight to 12 weeksand you got to take it daily.
You got to take appropriateamounts and make sure it's like.
The form that you need to getit in is the hydrolyzed form.
(04:01):
There's a lot of other kinds youcould get but the hydrolyzed
because the hydrolyzed form yourstomach can actually absorb
through your gut lining.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
So, rather than breaking it down before it
brings it in and then remakes,it.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
So you're not going to actually remake the collagen,
so your body's going to, soit's a good source of protein
and it's so you're.
You're not going to actuallyremake the collagen, so your
body's gonna, so it's a goodsource of protein and it's a
supplement, and you can't sayit's like directly going into
your skin care yeah, skin care,so you know your body's going to
use that cool yeah, it'singesting it's.
Yeah, your body's going to usethat collagen the best way it
(04:43):
can, so it could automaticallylike when you take it in.
Some of it's going to go tolike building your skin, but a
lot of it's going to be used tolike whether your body needs it
for energy or something else.
It's going to get used up.
And some of it does go into,like building that video she was
pretty much saying the effectson her abs.
(05:06):
I think right, was she?
Yeah, it doesn't do anythingfor the abs, it doesn't you
don't build, you don't buildmuscle.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Um, you know, collagen, everything but if it's
a healthy diet supplementedwith collagen, like because
you've said it before collagen,collagen with heavy doses in
bone broth, yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
But even that, when you read the studies and stuff,
you can drink gallons andgallons of bone broth but you're
not going to absorb thatcollagen that's in there because
it's not broken down for you tobe able to digest it.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Do you absorb any of that?
Speaker 2 (05:41):
You do, but it's very little amount and it's not in
the form that you need to foryour skin and eat your salt-free
bone broth.
No bone broth is good for youin other ways, but like you're
not taking it for the collagen,so collagens can be naturally
created in your body.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Yeah, and it requires like three amino acids, I
believe Collagens are protein,yeah so, and it requires like
three amino acids.
I believe Collagen is a protein?
Yeah, correct, um, are any ofthose proteins, uh, amino acids,
sorry, essential, like do youhave to ingest anything?
Speaker 2 (06:18):
No, so those are all chains.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
So just brings me to like cause I supplement with
amino acids and collagen.
Yeah, like am I just spending alot on supplements because I
make I, I, I think overall, likeI take it every day I think it
does improve your skin.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
I I take the thorn brand, yeah, and that has a lot
of that.
Has other stuff for skin healthas well.
Um, that are been well testedand the thorn.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Collagen blend or amino acid blend, the thorn
collagen blend do you take andalso I I do I put?
Speaker 2 (06:59):
I put the, their amino complex, which is the nine
essential aminos that your bodydoesn't make, and you have to
take it.
Do you feel?
Speaker 1 (07:06):
at some points like a random thought today.
Yeah, because I take like what,like five, six pills, yeah, in
the morning for a supplement.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
And five powders.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
And the five powders are put in the Yetii jug.
That we both have just to makesure we stay hydrated and get
all all the essentials.
Yeah, do you think we're?
We're kind of like trying toput together whatever it took to
originally like put lifetogether on earth.
Yeah, like, okay, this is likejust sprinkle some more of that
(07:43):
on there yeah, make.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Well, your body depletes this or that, yeah, you
know, and then that's.
That's the thing with collagentoo, that.
So your body begins to, youknow, decrease collagen after
you're 20 and you're in mid-20s,and then by 30s, production
yeah, and by 30 you're likelosing about one percent
(08:06):
collagen per year.
Okay, in your system.
And you could do things tospeed that up and do you know
what those are.
So something.
What you're describing is isstagflation of my collagen from
recent so smoking, eating sugar,eating poorly, you know um uv
(08:27):
radiation yeah, all that stuff'sgonna decrease the amount of
collagen you're producing andbreak down the collagen you have
.
So that's why you see wrinkling, poor aging with you know, lack
of collagen that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
I haven't met somebody that smokes with nice
thick, plump skin.
Yeah, just like man.
What are you doing?
What's your secret?
Especially good, oh, I smokecigarettes.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
I dip yeah, well, it's especially good when
they're tanning, smoking acigarette and drinking a
margarita, so you're hitting allthree all at once.
So, yeah, collagen is essentialand we both use it.
Yeah, I, I use, I put that, Iput the essential aminos and I
use creatine.
Every day I make a jug andthat's where we're going with
(09:16):
the supplement line we're kindof making is to cover everything
.
Yeah, so you have theall-in-one.
We don't have collagen in there, but you know, it's not not one
of the essential things wethought.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
But everything's in there.
It helps make more collagen,especially at the right doses.
Yes, what's going viral nowabout collagen?
Speaker 3 (09:35):
My favorite collagen brands.
So if you're new to my channel,hi.
My name is Robert Love.
I'm a neuroscientist.
I specialize in helping peopleprevent Alzheimer's disease with
science, and collagen can be areally powerful tool in
anti-aging as well as reducingthe risk of Alzheimer's disease.
If you've seen the research,there's been a recent review
showing that regular collagensupplementation improves skin
(09:58):
quality, specifically improvesskin hydration, it improves skin
elasticity and it reduceswrinkles.
So that's cool.
And the look the longer, theyounger you look, the younger
you feel.
So that could be really good.
Number two there's research toshow that collagen improves bone
density and muscle density inwomen.
That's really helpful and it'sreally important to exercise to
(10:20):
reduce the risk of alzheimer's.
So having healthier bones andhaving healthier muscles enables
you to do more healthy exercise.
So what brands do I take?
So this is one that I've beentaking most frequently.
This is Vital Proteins.
I get this at Costco.
I ordered this online.
It was like 40 bucks.
This is like $30 at Costco, soI bought a whole bunch of this.
I've been taking this for maybesix months.
(10:41):
I like the chocolate the best.
This is the neutral flavor.
This is all they had, and I'mtrying a new kind.
This is Organe CollagenPeptides.
I also got this from Costco.
I haven't tried this out yet,so I can't tell you which one's
better, but I'm testing these tosee which one feels better in
my body.
And then someone just sent thisto me.
By the way, none of these aresponsors of the show.
(11:01):
None of these sponsored mychannel.
I just got sent this one.
This is modere and, uh, thisone looks really promising.
Look, look, how nice it looks.
I'm going to try this out andsee how this feels as well.
So what do you think?
Speaker 1 (11:13):
about that one.
Anytime somebody starts a videowith I'm a, this person like if
if I made a video and I waslike, hey, I'm a plastic surgeon
, it's like that wouldautomatically like turn me off
yeah.
I'm a used car salesman which,hey, our dad was, yeah, and we
(11:35):
technically I was actually for abrief period of time.
Nothing wrong with that, you ownup to it.
But like what do you you?
Why do you have to?
Like you don't give people yourtitle right away, like hey, I'm
a bachelor of arts inpsychology, which this guy
sounds like he has he needs tokind of see a psychologist.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
But but like no, not if he's making sales on tiktok
videos I guess not.
There's some well more moremoney, more problems, right,
maybe, but like his whole, likereason to take collagen to
prevent Alzheimer's with beingyou know.
And, like I said, like thestudies he's reporting, like
(12:18):
look at the studies, who'srunning them, yeah, and what
they're using.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
He's just thrown out these brands that I got.
I gotta tell you the um, I justrandomly not randomly, but like
looking at like differentthings that we've like looked up
for, like what's actually goodwith longevity and like science
of whatever science nature.
Yeah, new england journal is I.
I really like the researchbehind processed red meats and
(12:51):
dose dependent being highlycorrelative to alzheimer's.
Yeah, and it's not like you'rea wholesome grass-fed like red
meats, it's specificallyprocessed red meats and like
your mcdonald's red meat dude,it's hot dogs yeah, hamburgers
(13:12):
like low-end stuff too, I meanit's.
It's the cheaper goods, sothey'll sell.
Yeah, to a certain degree itdoesn't matter.
But do they have collagen inthem?
Not if you supplement with that.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
But you could pour that collagen powder on it.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Right, you can pour the collagen powder on your face
actually.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
You're free to pour it anywhere you want.
So what if they're making thosemeat patties with that collagen
?
Speaker 1 (13:38):
powder.
I'm just going to go to anursing home and just sprinkle
collagen powder on everybody'sface.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Yeah, so their face looks younger, but like he's
talking about alzheimer's andlike it just preventing
alzheimer's.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
I would not take from a self-proclaimed
neurobiologist.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Yeah, let's see so yeah, he's like so your skin
looks healthier, so you're gonnathink like you're younger, your
bones are gonna be stronger,but like those studies you know
no, your bones are alwaysstronger if you forget how weak
they were the day before.
Yeah, exactly, but like, but.
(14:20):
Like he's saying on a femalestudy that I think I know what
studies he's talking about andthat was also industry run and
there's a lot of faults in thatone too Faults and biases and
confounding factors.
Collagen does help is it doeshelp with elasticity, does help
(14:45):
with, um, your skin being moreplump and well hydrated.
That stuff it does.
It does help with even with,like, building bone strength and
, yeah, muscle strength and, inthe females, um so it's not not
to because collagen's everywhereso it's going to help out in
different areas.
(15:05):
The like the first videotalking about hair growth and
stuff like it may help with thehair growth but like hair is
made of keratin, it's notactually collagen.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
So it's a little after watching that video and
looking at my chest hair, I'mlike I might be taking in way
too much collagen.
Yeah, do you rub it on yourchest.
No, I'm about to.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
That might be when you're spilling the scoop on
your chest.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you justsprinkle it on my face and some
of it spills on my chest.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
That's why the beard has to be shaved every day.
But like I was thinking of onthe chest, yeah, just from my
collagen excess yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
So like there hasn't been studies showing like
collagen collagen improves yourhair growth or anything like
that so.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
So what I want to know is like is it better to
take one of these collagensupplements or an amino acid
complex?
Speaker 2 (16:03):
well, if it contains the you know it matters, I don't
know they you know a lot of thestudies like the thing is, a
lot of the studies also like,when you look at it, they're
taking multiple different things, so it's not controlled forget
studies.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Let's do a meta analysis on tiktok stuff.
Yeah, so if you're?
Speaker 2 (16:24):
taking in the same amino acids that are in collagen
and it's going to help out yourelasticity.
But when you're taking theessential aminos, that's helping
more your catecholamines, yourhormones and everything like
that, so it's not going to helpwith your skin health as much.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
So here's my theory when you're taking the building
blocks to make collagen, orwhatever type of protein, yeah,
that your body needs to make,yeah, to just get by or be
better.
It's, uh, if you're deficientin one route, like okay, this is
better for your skin, this isbetter for, like, gut health,
(17:00):
liver health.
Uh, if you're deficient in anyof them because it's it's like
mix and match, right, yeah, 20amino acids.
Your body grabs a bunch of them, makes a protein out of it and
like delivers it to a certainsystem, so it's, it's almost
like all right, you can takethose specific amino acids to
(17:20):
make collagen, yeah.
However, if they they're neededin a pathway, for it's going to
bind with something else, yeah,it'll bind with something else,
or your body kind ofself-regulates.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
So if you need more going to bone, like, let's say,
two out of those three aminoacids, go to that yeah, but but
like, yeah, the whole thing islike it's a supplement and it's
an additive that you, you couldtake every day, just like a
multivitamin, you know, and likeeven multivitamins just
(17:53):
recently proven, like they did astudy and like showed to extend
life, um, uh, I gotta go backto that study.
It was just reported a fewweeks ago.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
I couldn't get the full article I think it's
probably biased a little bit,because it probably is, but you
don't know which vitamins andthe they might not just that if
you're in, if you're willing totake a vitamin every day, you're
inherently more willing to takecare of yourself than somebody
that doesn't almost like likehere's the health for like
(18:26):
brushing your teeth, but.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
But the multivitamin was in a controlled setting
where they gave some people andsome people placebo.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
But here's the thing with people.
Yeah, were they at the 7-eleven?
Speaker 2 (18:37):
yeah, with stuff with what you're trying to do with
collagen and skin care, like,yeah, it's going to help, I
think, like supplementing, likewhen you're trying to heal stuff
or when you, you know, like wedo microneedling or laser
treatments.
I think, when you're doingthose treatments, to increase
the collagen in your skin, it'sprobably helpful to have that to
(19:01):
so you're able to produce more.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
So you're saying supplement definitely.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
So you're saying supplement definitely if you're
doing any type of I think it'shelpful that makes a lot of
sense actually, yeah, and likedoing appropriate skincare and
that's where you're gonna see,you know, direct effect of, yeah
, the the collagen, not actuallyputting the collagen on your
skin, because that's not goingto work because your body's not
(19:25):
going to absorb that collagen.
Um, it's, you know, taking that.
You're so, internally, yourbody's making it and it's had
this trauma that it's going toproduce more collagen so it has
the food to be able to right.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Correct the building blocks to the building blocks,
like we always hear in, like medschool, yeah, um, but the
building blocks to have theappropriate response for the
treatment you're getting, yeah,so like, get the appropriate
things and supplement to reallyget the full effect of yeah what
(20:00):
, what?
Whatever you're getting done isgonna like you.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
So collagen is in everything.
It's pretty much thescaffolding, or you could you
know if you've got a wood-framedhouse, it's the wood frame to
the house.
You know, type 1 and 3 are inlike your bones.
2 is in your cartilage, 3 is inyour cartilage.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
um, uh, three is in your vessels.
Uh, yeah, that's right.
Right, three's in the vessels.
I I don't know.
Yeah, yeah, it's in muscles.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
I used to what I needed to know, but yeah three
is in muscles, tendons, um, Ithink four's in your vessels,
endothelial lining, uh, sothey're building blocks and
everything you have it's a niceconnective tissue, like even,
even if, like from what you'resaying is like even in tissues
(20:58):
that you don't think, collagenis there, yeah, it's still there
, supporting the system.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
yeah, keeping things together, yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
And you know like paying more for some of these
supplements over others it's.
You know, collagen is usuallypretty cheap peptide to be able
to get.
And then you know there'sdifferent stories about, like
you know, marine collagen versusbovine collagen or cow collagen
(21:28):
versus, you know, pig collagen,which one's better and one's
better than the other, Likethere's no, you know, I think
there was one study that saidlike the marine collagens better
for skin but not for.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
What are marine collagens From?
For skin, but not from dolphinfins, yeah, from dolphin?
Speaker 2 (21:48):
really no, I don't know what they're from.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
I was like.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Dolphin fins sound like a really good source of
collagen, but if you're eatingvegan collagen, that's not true
collagen.
So yeah, if you're, if you'reeating vegan.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
You're not eating.
Eating, yeah, correct, yeah,okay, I don't know what that
means Like fish bones.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Well, yeah, it's from fish, so it could come, yeah,
probably from bones and stuff.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
I think an understudied thing is actual
absorption.
Yeah, because, like a lot ofpeople take a lot of different
supplements.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
And from different brands, and it's clearly why we
picking our brains the way we do.
We think they have the bestabsorption yeah there's no like
actual studies to like go off of, like.
Okay, you know what I'm takingthis to benefit me this way and
this way and this way.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
You can also have genetic abnormalities where
you're not absorbing it eithertoo, or digesting right.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
True, or just like the microbiomes don't break
things down the way they'resupposed to.
So I don't know.
I'm still going to take mysupplements.
I'd started like four monthsago.
I feel better every day.
I sleep better and also beenexercising, so that helps out,
(23:16):
but it's good to be able to likesupport the whole body, yeah,
while putting yourself throughthat strain.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Yeah, I think like, especially when I started taking
GLP-1s, when I didn't takecollagen and then I started the
Thorne skin collagen, I thinklike I definitely noticed more
plumpness in my skin, especiallylike in my cheeks and face,
(23:45):
where I felt like I was reallygetting hollowed out with taking
the glp-1s you didn't look dead, no more no, look at me.
I'm woke so, um, and the otherthing is, like you know, thorn
does a lot of the anti-aging andanti-inflammatory stuff and
they have so much stuff, it'sit's hard to keep up with
(24:05):
everything yeah, but even thatcollagen, that collagen plus, it
has like mitoheal, which isknown to, it's like black
currant and it's known to andbeen shown in studies to improve
skin and healing and it hasnice, nice in her nicotinamide
(24:25):
riboside, which is greatanti-aging and I think just
cellular hydration is a bigpoint of this whole collagen.
Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
But that actually is a good point because that's like
the osmotic pressure yeah,Correct, Like collagen, strong
protein in a lot of differentcells, and the osmotic pressure
is concentration of protein towater and if you have more
protein, most cell membraneswill get water to go through it.
(25:05):
To balance out that protein towater, that protein water
balance, I guess you would callit.
And yeah, if you're properlyhydrated with the proper amount
of proteins, then that osmoticbalance is optimal to like.
(25:25):
Just make sure your bodysystems are in the right balance
, I guess.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Yeah, I don't know.
So actually eating you knowwhen they talk about.
You know when I tell you youcan't take bone broth to improve
collagen but eating chickencartilage, actually you absorb
that.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
No shit.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Yeah, there was one study on that.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Dude, I've been like ridiculed for the amount of
chicken cartilage I eat.
You often eat chicken wing.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Yeah, I think it's actually no shit.
Yeah, oh, yes.
You actually like get somebenefits of that.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
I think it was um type 2 collagen like uh, joint
health just like the the caps atthe end of the chicken bones,
right, yeah, yeah, I knew I wasdoing something right, because
um people like, oh, you're sounhealthy.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
I'm like I don't know , yeah, I might actually be
healthy.
The other thing with a bonebroth is like how it's prepared
and stuff too.
Yeah, it makes a hugedifference in like the nutrients
and stuff you absorb.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
How about with the nutrient labels?
Like kettle and fire with likeeight ounces getting you 20% of
your protein?
I don't know.
Like know what, do you think?
Speaker 2 (26:42):
it's a shit ton of sodium it's like, there's like
60 of your daily value of sodiumyeah, but you can't say 20 of
your protein, because that'sokay, 19 grams of protein yeah,
that's more like it, becauseyeah matters your body weight
and body weight yeah what youneed so but really chicken
cartilage yeah, I can't wait.
(27:04):
Yeah, next time I get ridiculedfor this.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Yeah you know how many times I've been harassed by
multiple people like dude thatyou're gonna eat, you're gonna,
you're gonna rape that chickenbone like a man you must be
hungry.
Yeah, because you just stripthat down to everything.
Best part of it?
Damn it, is it just us two?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
There's got to be other people in the world that
well, like the funny thing is,um, I was reading, like the
chicken, chicken.
Uh, when they use the chickenfor the cartilage, they use the
breast, their breast bone thatbig breast cartilage.
They grind that down to createcollagen.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
I love that.
It's like my favorite part of achicken.
Or turkey is like that littlexiphoid process.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
That stuff's great yeah, you know, like we have it
in our post-op uh protocol.
We recommend uh patients takecollagen uh with the healing
process, because and a coupleturkey breasts.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Yeah, couple turkey breasts.
Yeah, it's like your xiphoidcartilage.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Yeah yeah, because it's going to help out overall.
It's going to help out overall.
It's going to help out yourhealing process and get you
hydrated as well.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
Yeah, that's a huge part.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
I think it plays a huge part in just hydrating
yourself.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Especially in a time of stress, because after surgery
that is a high-st stresssituation for your body.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Yeah, and you don't get the blood flow to the
appropriate areas because youhave swelling in those areas
that have been traumatized, sothat swelling decreases the
actual blood flow that you'regetting yeah.
So until that blood, until thatswelling comes down, you're not
going to get as much blood flow, because you're going to have
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all these People get swellingbecause of inflammation is just
a natural way of the body toheal.
Yeah, the initial inflammatoryphase of healing is your
inflammatory process?
Yeah, yeah, we talked abouthydrolyzed collagen.
If you're going to, if you'regoing to take collagen, make
sure it's hydrolyzed and if it'scomplex, together with vitamin
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C.
Or eat an orange with yourcollagen, protein, pineapple
juice, collagen, peptide coffeethat you drink, or pour it into
your orange juice.
That could be a good combo toget it well absorbed.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
So, if I'm chewing on the bones, I give my dogs.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Before I do that, I should take some vitamin C
tablets.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
But if you're French and you have your cup of coffee
pour your collagen powder smokea cigarette and drink your
orange juice.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Wear orange, black and white striped shirt.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Yeah, yeah, that's probably like dehydrating you
from the caffeine.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
The sugar's doing you wrong, the smoking's doing you
wrong, but you save so muchenergy from not shaving your
armpits.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Yeah, we're going after the french market shaving
your armpits or using deodorantor taking a shower.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Yeah, coming from a couple times a week is good oh,
there was a oh that thatactually that's a great segue.
There's a study, um, it waslike showering regularly is not
good for you.
It like decreases like yournatural, like body oils for your
skin and stuff, yeah, which Itotally agree with.
(30:46):
But the other side of theargument is like did you not
take a shower to decrease orincrease the body oils in your
skin?
You just try not to smell likeshit, yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Well, that's, that's what I always try to discuss
with my wife, because she likesto give the kids, but she does
it more for the routine.
But no, I don't know, does shedo it for the routine or she
thinks they need to be spotlessBecause I'm like no just let
them get their own oil.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
In this case, just dip them in bleach for like a
few seconds, yeah, but likeAshton Kutcher and what's her
name?
Mila.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Kucic got in trouble because they said they don't
bathe their kids until theysmell.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Dude Ashton Kutcher looks like he smells Like I love
his work, but he looks like hesmells like I love his work,
yeah, but he looks like hesmells yeah but I like, I think
I I personally agree with likenot washing until they smell.
Yeah, either.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Um, there's, there's really no reason to like no, I
ended up with all all like skinissues I still have my teenage
years because, yeah, our mom waslike you gotta scrub that out,
it's like, scrub that out.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
And then like, oh, maybe the flakes are because
you're scratching my scalp sohard, and then put all the
lotion no, no, add more soap.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
It wasn't lotion, it's video, it's just soap
drying everything out.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Yeah, like no, no, um , hydration or anything like
that.
Yeah, yeah, I actually like it.
I would I would take a mask ifI was ever invited to go meet
ashton kutcher.
It's even his character in the70s show.
He definitely smells.
Yeah, like I love what he does.
(32:37):
I don't hate that he smells,it's alright it's alright to
smell.
It's easy coming from me, yeah.
I'm just, but your daughter kindof plays that oh, yeah, she's
starting to like showering, justcause she's just like, oh, this
(32:59):
feels nice, yeah, but she'sjust like, oh, this feels nice,
yeah, uh, but it's just like, eh, no, I showered yesterday.
It's like, yeah, but did you?
Speaker 2 (33:08):
I kind of feel bad for my kids because I think our
showers, our bath is kind ofcold and like oh, I try to get
shy.
Oh, you got.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Shy doing cold plunges.
Well, he's pretty much doingcold, three-year-old cold
plunges we don't fill thebathtub.
No, but I just stick them inthe freezer for a couple minutes
.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Nothing crazy, but he could come and take a steam
shower, but he never wants to.
He wants to go in the bathtub,but the bathtub, I think, is
cold, but they're like in thereso, and it's not like pam
doesn't like them getting dirty,so it's not like there's warm
water in the tub running,they're just, it's just empty oh
(33:52):
god so yeah, so I'm like thisis like I wouldn't want to take
that shower.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
I'm like this is a villain's origin story.
It's like this guy becomes MrGlass.
I know exactly why.
It's because of his baths.
Yeah, forced baths before yousmell.
Yeah, I actually kind of likeagree with the baths when you
smell.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Well, we grew up in Iran, and in Iran you took
showers every other day.
You didn't do it every day.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Yeah, right.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
So it wasn't like a daily routine.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
And we were well off too.
So like, if it's actually acost restraint not just thinking
Iran like place, like India,china if it's a cost restraint
to not shower every day, you'regoing to save that water for
something.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
So I went two years without using soap.
Did I tell you that no?
Speaker 2 (34:51):
So you were just washing with water, water.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
There's no reason for soap.
There's nothing natural aboutsoap.
There's no reason for soap.
There's nothing natural aboutsoap.
God in the Old Testament islike thou shalt use Irish
springs to smell zesty, fresh,like it's never a thing.
There's no way soap's like thatgood for you.
I don't know, I don't know.
(35:16):
You're big on microbiomes.
Microbiomes on your skin issomething I don't have.
Great skin it that experimentdidn't go great like it didn't
help my skin issues.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
The thing is nowadays you kind of need that
antibacterial, like maybe in theearly days you didn't, but like
now like people carry all thiscrap.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
That you need to get off your skin.
I don't know it matters yourskin's gonna be able to fight
that off.
If you're, it matters what kindof shady cats you're like,
hugging and stuff, Dude we'rephysicians, so it's a lot
different, which is good.
That gives us like a PowerPoint.
Like our microbiome on our skinshould be able to fight off
everything, because we'veencountered everything at the
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hospital.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Yeah, that's why you need peptides to just like have
a strong immune system.
So no, you don't, you don't letyour body rock it out like yeah
, it's better than antibiotics.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
like just, I don't know that, yeah, but either way,
I I did.
I hate to say it, but I I didstart using soap again.
Sarah was just like so pissedoff.
Anytime I told people it's likeyou can't just tell people you
don't use soap anymore I waslike oh no, I feel really
strongly about this, fuck soap.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
Like this is not just like okay.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
I just like you just can't tell people that you would
put deodorant on yeah, so thatdoesn't make people that.
But you would put deodorant onyeah, so that doesn't make any
sense.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Oh, it was all natural stuff.
That was kind of useless too.
It's like Tom's from Maine,tom's from Maine.
It's like rubbing eucalyptus onmy armpits.
I was actually better atmanscaping then.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Because, like, if you get rid of of the hair, you get
rid of a lot of the smells yeahbut there was like two days in
a row where I like actuallysmelled myself like just doing
normal stuff, and I was like I'mtotally against the industrial
soap complex but I'm willing touse soap again so what are your
(37:21):
thoughts about?
Speaker 2 (37:22):
you know, like I started trying like the
all-natural, like deodorants andstuff there's a good one, but
like then going all the waytowards like where they have
like paper, like packet, likethe whole things, like oh, like
they smell great, but I just ruba gypsy on my armpit like once
(37:43):
a week, yeah like the thingssmell great, but I'm like I get
you have to push the thing upyourself.
I'm like what are we in the 80s?
And like I, I know, but it'ssaving on plastic.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
But dude, there's.
There's so much stuff out there.
Even at walgreens, where youdon't expect all natural things,
there's rows and rows of allnatural stuff.
So for me, because of my skincondition, I I just go for
something that my skin reallydoes not react to yeah so that's
(38:21):
the route I take.
Yeah, so I don't even careabout the qualities, as long as
like covers up scent for like alittle bit of time yeah but it
does like doesn't flare up myskin.
That's what I go with I reallylike the Hume.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
I mean Whole Foods carries it.
Now I bought it from the Voryclothing shop and then I was
like, oh, this smells reallygood.
I ordered it online.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
and then I was like, oh, walgreens carries it, I
can't believe like I mean, weuse it too, the ingredients in
antiperspirants.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
We're really suffocating our sweat glands.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
Like you know what, Sorry guys, yeah, Shut the fuck
up.
I'm going to go around town notsweating Like with what
Aluminum parabens.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
I wonder how, like because people talk about
increased cancer, like how comewe didn't see more people?
Speaker 1 (39:22):
with armpit cancer, but systemically it's got to do
something.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Does it lead to more breast cancer.
I get afraid, because I keep onputting my phone on my lap and
I'm like oh, I thought,definitely gonna get.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
I thought you were saying about like putting gold
bond on your yeah no, balls noyeah, do this.
I don't know, I'm afraid of myphone, I'm sorry, my balls are
smelly as shit like there'snothing chemical going close to
there.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
I never powdered my, I don't either, yeah I was like
I just never understood it, likelike one of my chief residents
would walk out and he had likeyou're just like you're gonna
walk out, looking like that,like there's evidence on the
outside.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
I know what are you doing?
Like you got a shit pit in yourcrotch.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Yeah, I'm like that's what you do to kids.
I'm like what the hell are youdoing to yourself?
Speaker 1 (40:33):
The stuff people, educated people do.
Yeah, it's great.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
Yeah, I'll never forget it.
He always had powder down there, like walking around the
hospital with powder it'sfloating around you.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
What's his name?
From the peanuts Pigpen.
It's like dude, you're thepigpen of baby powder.
Stop that shit.
We don't need to be inhalingthat.
Replace it with collagen powder.
Yeah, collagen powder, like.
Stop that shit.
Like we don't need to beinhaling that, replace it with
collagen powder.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Yeah, collagen powder , that will topically grow.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Collagen powder to gold bod, gold bod.
So I sent you that articleabout the working out.
Keep it at least four hoursbefore your bedtime.
Yeah, what do you think youdidn't read?
Speaker 2 (41:27):
the paper.
No, I did.
Oh nice, I was actually like.
I was actually like I'm likeright on the edge because I get
home and I'm like I got to workout.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
Really, I never work out at home.
I mean after I get home and I'mlike I got to work out.
Really, I never work out athome.
I I mean after I get home, Iwork out in the morning.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
I used to do it in the morning but, like, my son,
sleeps in my room and all myworkout equipment's there.
So, um, especially now when Iget home, I bought him his own
little bench and little bike.
So when I get home he's usuallylike hey, daddy, let's go work
out, you know.
Or if he, if I'm home early inthe morning, I'll work out in
the morning.
But most of the time it's like,you know, I got to be at the
(42:08):
hospital by seven 30.
So, um, I so I'll get theworkout in at nighttime, but I
try to do it at like six o'clockand what time do you go to bed?
Speaker 1 (42:21):
10, 9?
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Usually 9, 9, 10 o'clock.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
I haven't found it to affect my sleep when I was
younger.
That's the only time I workedout Like when I was in plastic
surgery residency I could, andthat's why it made it tough for
me when I moved here to get intoCrossFit because I used to work
out at 9 pm.
That was my CrossFit class thatI used to make.
(42:45):
In Arizona there's no 9 pmCrossFit classes.
They were all like ending at 6,7.
So it made it tough to work outat that time.
No, I like working out firstthing in the morning.
I think that's like the idealsituation and that's when I know
I'm not going to work out inthe afternoon.
(43:06):
I'll just do the resistancebands and the bike in the
morning, or I'll try to get thebike in at least in the morning
and then at nighttime just dothe you know tonal resistance
training.
I think it does affect becauseit increases your heart rate and
you want to kind of calm allthat down before going to bed.
But my routines, usually youknow, when my son goes to bed I
(43:32):
lay on the my red light mat forat least half an hour 45 minutes
and that thing makes me sweatit out and I think that routine
kind of gets me into that deepersleep phase.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
Well, the red light is almost.
Uh, wait, the red light or thered light sauna.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
No, I'm on a red light mat that has Nair and Far
Infrared lights and then it alsohas PMF in it and it's a
grounding mat, so it has like asix in one, but I don't use the
TENS unit on it.
I did at the beginning for mylower back, but now I don't use
it and I think that's made ahuge difference and like
(44:14):
inflammation, my back pain andeverything, and I I think that's
something that I'm gonna bringon with like post-op care, like
the patients also like 300 bucksa night, I can come by throw
some chicken bones out.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
Yeah and yeah, be your shaman.
Yeah, be your witch doctor, youcan eat chicken bones.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
The sleep you get after that, you can eat the
chicken bones, oh yeah, for thecollagen, yeah, yeah, so.
Speaker 1 (44:44):
So the study showed that exercise greater than four
hours from sleep time.
Less than four hours from sleep, no more than four hours from
sleep time.
Less than four hours from sleep, no more than four hours, oh,
less than four hours reducesleep quality.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
Yeah, sleep quality.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
And this by the wearables that brand you're
wearing right now.
Yeah, which is awesome to see,because the coolest part about
this I know I'm nerding out ondata I was just like, oh man,
they started starting off with1.3 million subjects yeah like
(45:21):
that, that is cool.
Like that, like amount of data,like you can't like and I'm
like very hopeful for, like whatthese wearable datas are yeah
what these wearable data isgoing to show in the long run.
But, like I was just like oh,that's awesome to start with.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
They just got to get better batteries for your phone.
With all the hookups I got toBluetooth to my phone, it runs
out.
I got to charge it fully likethree times a day.
You got to just plug your headin like the.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
Matrix once a night, You'll be fine.
Plug your head in like thematrix once a night, you'll be
fine, yeah, but but um, the thethings that I saw, there wasn't
that much of a differencebetween four to eight hours.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
And it also went by intensity of workout.
Where I think intensity ofworkout went by, I'm pretty sure
it went by heart rate.
So like, if your heart ratehits 180, yeah, even if you're
working out just as hard assomebody, that's really fit that
their heart rate went up to 120yeah your workout is going out
(46:24):
as way more intense yeah andthat kind of shows because, like
those graphs, they showed theones hitting max intensity, no
matter which time length it was.
it might not be statisticallydifferent but, like, if you look
at the charts, it's like maxintensity is always worse than
medium intensity versus lowintensity and I think that plays
(46:48):
a stronger part where, like, ifyou work out regularly, it
doesn't matter what time youwork out.
Yeah, I probably wouldn't workout within two hours of going to
sleep yeah but like, yeah, fourhours seems ideal at the most,
but um, but that was, that wasmy takeaway.
Speaker 2 (47:08):
I don't know what you thought about that just like
you know there's more and morestudies and like a lot of things
like where you don't need to beat these high intensity levels.
You know it's not good for youroverall health as long as, and
like more and more things areshown to be.
Like you know, if you're notactive and moving all day long
(47:31):
and being sedentary, you needthese high activities to try to
make up for being inactive forthe rest of the day.
But I think overall you justneed low source of activity.
Speaker 1 (47:46):
Just regular.
There were studies before thatshowed that low-intensity
exercise what's it?
Zone B or?
Speaker 2 (47:54):
Yeah, low intensity just correlates more with
compliance.
Speaker 1 (47:57):
Yeah, so like, if you go and like just run your ass
off and you hit like zone fiveor six or whatever the hell it
is like max heart rate, thelikelihood you're going to
return to do that exercise againthe next day, the day after,
the day after, is lower andlower.
(48:18):
Where, like just get your heartpumping and do it regularly,
like do it once a day, not like,even if it's 10 minutes, 20
minutes, and then potentiallylike just just go from 10
minutes to 20 minutes, whetherit's a bike ride, on a treadmill
, even if it's walking, and thenat that 20 minute mark it's
(48:41):
just trying to come up with it's.
It's not gonna you're not gonnabe mr olympia doing this yeah
but like you build up to 20minutes and then do intervals
yeah at that 20 minutes.
So like warm up for three tofive minutes and then one minute
go really hard.
One minute cool down, oneminute hard and then you reduce
(49:01):
that interval.
Time.
Yeah, I think that would be areally reasonable way for people
to get like in really good,like, uh, cardiac fitness yeah,
your vo2 max increase yeah, yeah, yeah exactly yeah, that's you
know.
Speaker 2 (49:19):
Like even I use the carol bike, which you know, you
do two 20 second sprints um ineight minutes, and you do that
two or three times a week andthat's better than running every
day, uh for an hour, yeah, youknow.
So you know you're just pushinguh to a certain level only for
(49:41):
you know, and that just buildsup your resistance and goes down
.
That's ai generated yeah um, II think you know there's
different complexities and, likedifferent people's bodies
respond differently to differentstressors Is HRV higher.
Speaker 1 (49:57):
for females it's heart rate variance.
Speaker 2 (50:02):
I think, I don't know .
I thought it would be lowerbecause they're higher stress.
So it's supposed to be higher,it's going to be better for you.
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (50:11):
What's a typical HRV for you?
I'm not.
What's a typical hrv for youfor me?
Sleep, yeah uh, horrible.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
20 it's no, it it's improved like 30, 45, because oh
really, that's really good.
Before the mine's like 16 to 20before the eight sleep I was
like I was like 15 to 20 um, andthat's with my whoop, uh, but
(50:38):
like well, that study we weretalking about was from my aura
ring actually, but that previousstudy we were talking about was
from with the whoop yeah, um,but it improved like I thought.
Know, last week I tried to setthe temperatures colder because
I saw, like you know, the firstweek I got it and I had it on
(51:00):
colder settings, like my heartrate was like in the 60s and my
HRVs were going 60s, 70s, nice.
But now it's like it's not that, it's like 65 to 70, which it's
still lower than what it usedto be, Like, my resting was
always 70 and above, but I don'tknow if that's more me working
(51:21):
out more or more consistently.
Speaker 1 (51:23):
Either way, it's a good goal to have.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
Well, I'm doing the tonal workouts versus my
20-minute bursts of workouts Iwas doing before my 20 minute
bursts of workouts, I was doingbefore.
Um, whether it's that, um, orwhat if it's the eight?
Speaker 1 (51:40):
sleep that, but like my hrv is definitely improved.
Um okay, since mine kind ofsucks, I'm just trying to
compare it to like what sarahgets, because what does she?
Speaker 2 (51:47):
get dude she's because you're supposed to be at
80 to 120.
Really, yeah, yeah, that'sgonna be healthy.
Speaker 1 (51:54):
Okay, that makes sense, yeah because I'm my
resting heart rate's in the 70s.
I'm lucky to get in the 60ssome nights.
Yeah, my hrv is like 20 yeahand one morning I got up I was
like, wow, look at this goodnight of rest.
Yeah, it's like resting heartrate like 55.
Hrv is like 70.
(52:15):
And Sarah's complaining to meabout how bad her sleep was.
I was accidentally under herside of the bed for the data, so
I'm like no, mine's actuallyresting heart rate of 75, hrv of
20.
I'm not at like resting heartrate of 75, HRV of 20.
I'm not at like resting heartrate of 55.
Speaker 2 (52:36):
Yeah, I thought the females would have higher HRVs
I'm not sure or lower HRVs, butI'm not definite.
Speaker 1 (52:44):
Okay, no, I was just asking Pam's heart rate's like
in the 50s too.
Speaker 2 (52:49):
Yeah, the female heart rate's like I don't know.
Well, Pam's younger than me, soI it's said.
That's what it was I got atheory.
When it's, when it's, the bloodis that cold, it doesn't need to
be pumped as fast but it's alsolike you got to think muscle
mass right, like lower musclemass I I sarah probably has
(53:13):
about similar muscle mass as mejust well, you gotta put her on
the in body and see who has moreskeletal muscle mass I actually
probably have more than her,but I weigh like 40 pounds more
yeah so yeah, odds are.
Speaker 1 (53:29):
I've stacked the odds against you.
Speaker 2 (53:31):
All right, all right.
We got to just get you ontestosterone.
Speaker 1 (53:37):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (53:38):
You'll get better sleep.
Your HRV will improve.
Speaker 1 (53:41):
Oh, we're going to do it Build more muscle.
Going to test out the T.
Going to test out thetestamoylin growth
hormone-releasing peptides.
Going to test out GLP-1s?
Yeah, and I got before pictures, so the after picture is going
to come.
Seriously, there's a hugedifference compared to like,
(54:01):
because I started this inJanuary, yeah, when it was.
Just I haven't been phenomenalwith my diet, but I've, like,
definitely improved my diet bigtime, but I've exercised
regularly.
Yeah, and that's like three tofive times a week.
Speaker 2 (54:16):
Exercise in itself definitely changes the skin tone
Like.
Speaker 1 (54:20):
I think oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (54:21):
Younger, more or less , and all that Like I feel like
it's definitely made animprovement.
Speaker 1 (54:28):
I think so.
It's it.
It's definitely improves bloodflow and lymphatic flow.
Yeah, through your subcutaneoustissue in your skin.
Speaker 2 (54:38):
Yeah, the more you move it's you know what's an
impressive peptide that umdoesn't get talked about much,
but um pam just started takingit um because we're thinking of
going through ivf again and it'syou know, she's just trying oh
yeah, you can't wait for thatabout some of the stuff I talk
(55:00):
about, but like epithelon, shestarted taking epithelon.
She actually like she's like shehad such great sleep deep.
She's like I've never sleptlike this in my life, um, that
she's like she injected her momtwo nights later.
She's like you got to do thisbecause her mom's got a lot of
anxiety and she doesn't want togo to sleep.
So epithalon is a pineal glandpeptide, um, and it's known to
(55:27):
like regulate your circadianrhythm and like your hormonal
balances and stuff.
So, um, yeah, she's been nicerto me, gets better sleep.
Speaker 3 (55:37):
So I think, overall, other than our um 15 month old
crying in the middle of thenight I think, um, yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (55:45):
I think it's definitely a good like
stabilizer and, on top of it,like the russian studies on this
stuff is crazy because they didstudies 10 days of injections
twice a year for two years anddecreased mortality rate by 20
because it increases yourtelomerase length and it's great
(56:08):
anti-aging and a lot of it hasto do with regulating your
circadian rhythm, where you'rere-releasing the melatonin to go
to sleep and stay asleep yeah,so that, yeah, the like comes
back to like how strong likesleep is for, like your, your
longevity.
Yeah, like you you know, before,like this whole like biohacking
(56:33):
thing and stuff took.
I remember like listen to daveasprey and he's like I'll sleep
when I die.
And he used to say, like youonly need three, when, when he
was selling the bulletproofcoffee, he's like you only need
three to five hours of sleep,you don't need more than that.
And now it's a total.
Like everyone talks about sleepand how important and you're
(56:53):
supposed to get seven to ninehours of sleep.
I don't get anywhere close tonine, but like I usually range
between six and seven.
Speaker 1 (57:01):
Yeah, try to get seven, that's.
That's always the like.
Get to bed by 9 30.
Speaker 2 (57:07):
Wake up by 5 30 I could usually go to bed by eight
, but like then, I usually wakeup in the middle of the night
and I can't get back to sleep.
That's the it's not even themiddle of the night sometimes I
wake up at like at 10 11 o'clockat night yeah or 1 am.
Speaker 1 (57:20):
1 am is the worst time to get up and not be able
to fall asleep.
Speaker 2 (57:24):
Yeah, just like um, at the beginning, with the eight
sleep, like I'm like I gottaget it back to those settings
because like I was sleeping pastseven and I'm like I didn't
know how I was sleeping, becauseright now I wake up at five
o'clock every like five, fivethirties, like my body clock
(57:44):
just wakes me up no matter whatyeah, same here.
Speaker 1 (57:48):
I wake up before my 5.30 alarm.
Speaker 2 (57:50):
Yeah, maybe I should move the clock back up to 9.30,
the alarm clock on there Justdon't be afraid to heat it back
up by one, and just see how yourbody responds to it.
Yeah, no, I heated it back upand I creeped up on the temps to
kind of see how much.
Speaker 1 (58:10):
But like Arizona, weather's been nuts too yeah,
it's like just been cold onenight hot one night we went
through like a hot spree.
Sarah's like oh no, it's goingto be hot for the rest of the
year.
Speaker 2 (58:21):
I'm like yeah chances probably not, but if it does
happen, I'm like when we hit maythat's likely, but in april
it's still questionable.
Speaker 1 (58:31):
Oh yeah, March, when it's like 80s, 90s degrees.
That's when she was starting toflip out.
Like this is too hot.
Yeah, Better than too cold.
Speaker 2 (58:43):
Yeah, all right.
All right, that's it.
Speaker 1 (58:46):
That's a wrap.
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