How Testosterone Can Save Your Health, Mood & Marriage

Feeling flat, foggy, or low on energy? It might not be you, it could be your hormones.

In this episode, we unpack testosterone optimization with practical insights and real-world experience. Discover why “normal” lab results often leave you feeling anything but, how free T and SHBG tell the real story, and the safest ways to use pellets, injections, or creams.

We dive into fertility-friendly options, safe hormone replacement, resistance training, nutrition, sleep, and sequencing hormones before medications like GLP‑1s to protect lean mass and energy. Plus, learn how recovery peptides and conservative strategies for women can improve mood, muscle, bone health, and libido without chasing extremes.

This episode is your roadmap to feeling high-functioning again.

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Episode Transcript

SPEAKER_05 (00:00):
When you don't have libido, like your wife's gonna
think something's wrong withyou.
To gain that back and likeactually you know, you almost
become asexual without it.
One of the best ways to startgetting on this path to healthy
behaviors is get yourtestosterone checked.

SPEAKER_06 (00:16):
Common misconception is the normal range given on lab
values for most facilities.
It's somewhere between likesomething I've seen as low as
150 to 1150.
Alright, so today we're talkingabout something you're familiar
with and done research andsupplemented testosterone.

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So what what's your generaloversight?

SPEAKER_05 (00:39):
So at the beginning I started without like doing too
much research into it.
Um and I usually researcheverything, but at the time I
was like pretty much starting myown business and like and
working 24-7 hours a week.
Yeah, working so many hours andyou know, on my downtime, I

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wasn't like really reading.

SPEAKER_06 (01:01):
What was your source?
Is it in the locker room?
No, or do you have no credit?

SPEAKER_05 (01:06):
I had no, I actually went to an internal medicine doc
that I was friends with.
Um, I started with him, and thenone of my friends ran one of
these TRT companies, so Ichanged over.
Um which you know, I I shouldhave probably checked levels and
stuff.
I think I was like super dosing,um, not really like checking how

(01:28):
much I should really be dosed.
And like I thought like doingmore was better.
It's always better.
Yeah, yeah, when your numbersare um until the fourth brick
wall you ran into.

SPEAKER_06 (01:41):
You're like, maybe I'm a little over.

SPEAKER_05 (01:44):
And the thing is, like, I don't I don't know, like
even being at the high level,like I wasn't like, you know, at
first I was doing CrossFit, butthen I started hurting my wrists
and stuff, so I stopped doingCrossFit.
So like I I I gained weight andI thought I was gonna like lose
muscle by taking, you know,injecting testosterone.

(02:07):
And I was doing in injectionslike once a week.
I was doing, I think I shouldhave been at half of what I was,
um, because my readings were atand this was at 35.
Um, my readings were alwaysgreater than 1500.

SPEAKER_06 (02:23):
Oh, greater than 1500.

SPEAKER_05 (02:25):
Okay, so you were so I like what I originally I don't
remember quite what I was mytotal testosterone was probably
around 500, um, I think four orfive hundred uh before I started
on it.
Um, and then you know, I did itfor quite a while, and then I

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came off of it because me and mywife were trying to get
pregnant, so I came off of it.
I felt like crap.
Like um, like were you onanything else?

SPEAKER_04 (02:57):
What's the normal value of testosterone?

SPEAKER_05 (03:00):
So if you look at the lab values, some labs are
240 to 900 or 1200, even up to1200.
Um, but you want to beoptimized, it's not just what
the level is.
They say not to look at justyour total testosterone, look at
the free testosterone level, butno one's really got that real

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like free testosterone level tobe optimized.
It's easier to look at the Idon't know.
For me, I haven't found any realgood way of that, other than you
got to get your totaltestosterone, your sex hormone
binding globulin, because youcould have a normal testosterone
level or optimal testosteronelevel, but if your sex hormone

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binding globulin's too high,that's binding to all to the
testosterone.
So your free testosterone isgonna be much lower, so you're
gonna have all the side effectsas if you had low testosterone.
Um but you know it's almost likethat makes your your therapy.
I mean, that's yeah, that makessense.

SPEAKER_06 (04:05):
Yeah, but in general, like for most people,
if if everything else isbalanced, you want to be at the
high end normal.
For most people, it seems likethey do best between like nine
to eleven hundred.

SPEAKER_05 (04:17):
Yeah, nine to eleven hundreds what you're like in
your teen years or earlytwenties, um, even into your
thirties.
Nowadays, you're finding 20s and30-year-olds like under 500.

SPEAKER_06 (04:30):
Yeah, um under 100.

SPEAKER_05 (04:32):
Yeah.
Well, like where a lot of theissue is they go to their PCP,
their PCP doesn't want toprescribe them anything,
although they seem like they'rehaving which is the primary care
physician, they seem likethey're having side effects from
having low testosterone.
Um, and you know, they're notthey're like your testosterone's

(04:54):
normal.
I'm like, I look at it, I'mlike, no, it's you that's pretty
low for 20, 30 year olds.
Yeah, you know.
Um, and like there's things youcan do, like if you're living a
sedentary lifestyle, um, and wecan discuss this later, that you
can do to up your testosteronelevels.
Um, so if you're living asedentary lifestyle, you're fat,

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your your estrogen is gonna goup, your testosterone is gonna
go down.
If you live a stressfullifestyle, um, your cortisol
being high is gonna um so youshould stand up when you
masturbate.
Yeah.
Put your testosterone in thedigger or lift some weights
while you're doing it.
Resistance training's gonnaincrease your testosterone.

SPEAKER_06 (05:38):
You don't need both hands to masturbate.

SPEAKER_05 (05:40):
Yeah.
And good sleep.
Good sleep's gonna improve youruh overall testosterone level.
All things all things that likeif you go through med school,
you pretty much like um none ofthis happens.
So residency, even worse isresidency.

SPEAKER_06 (05:57):
It's not just testosterone, like you're
looking looking at like growthhormones, like pretty much your
overall like circadian rhythm.

SPEAKER_05 (06:03):
Yeah, your cortisol's high, always, and
then that's that's the thing,like our cortisol, and like look
at our HRV.
Our HRV is always so low, whichis the heart rate variability,
because we're always in suchhigh stress, even when you're
home, you're you know, like oncein a while, if I'm on vacation,
like that thing will creep uppast 50.

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But most of the time, yeah, withwhatever wearables I have,
they're always under 50.
Yeah, um, and once in a while Ifreeze my bed and I'll get the
HRV to go up too.

SPEAKER_06 (06:38):
But then you get like two hours of sleep and you
wake up.

SPEAKER_05 (06:41):
I know you wake up, you're like, I'm freezing.
Yeah, get under the comforters.
Um, and then my son can't sleep,he's right next to me.
I feel bad for him.

SPEAKER_06 (06:50):
I'm like, doesn't that teach you to go to your own
bed?
Yeah, this bed's cold.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (06:56):
What are the side effects of low low testosterone
that's so good?

SPEAKER_05 (07:00):
And I experienced them all um once I was off of
it.
You know, I tried other thingsto kind of up the my
testosterone level.
Like you could take clomid orand yeah, I I took the cleaner,
I took clomid, but clomid makesyou like a bitch.
Like seriously, like you get.

SPEAKER_06 (07:20):
What is it?
Is it clomidopine?
Oh, clon it's clonopene.

SPEAKER_05 (07:25):
Clomphine.
Clomophine.
Clomphine.
It's not clonapine.
And I I took and clomfene's anisomer that's much cleaner.
There's two isomers in it if youtake clomid itself.
So I at first I took clomid,which like you'll feel the
depressed, like get reallymoody, um, and stuff where you

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don't like um no, because thatthat's to improve fertility, and
uh you should it increases yourtestosterone level, so you
you'll have okay.

SPEAKER_06 (07:57):
Um I've heard I've heard people have had decreased
sex drive.

SPEAKER_05 (08:01):
So when when your testosterone's down, like
especially, you know, and likewe're trying to get pregnant and
like you you're off yourtestosterone, you're like, fuck,
I don't want to have sex.
Like your libido goes throughshit.
You're like, what can I do?
But if you take testosterone,your sperm count goes down, you
know.
Uh some people it's a negativefeedback loop.

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Yeah, you're some people areable to do just fine um and able
to have kids, but for a lot ofpeople that your sperm count's
gonna go down.
Um if you have if you don't havethe best sperm motility and
stuff, that you know, that'sgonna even decrease your chances
of uh pregnancy.

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Not for you, but your wife.
So um uh so libido and and likewhat I noticed was like the love
handles came back likeexponentially.
Once I got off testosterone,like the tire around your waist,
that's like low testosterone,like it's straight tire around

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your waist in a guy.
And females that they're gonnaprobably gain gain more fat in
their hips, and for men, it'sgonna be like a tire around your
waist.
Um and and then like cloudybrain, like can't think
straight, um just alsodepression and stuff too, and

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what you see, you know, and thisis why, like I think a lot of
people that come out of the NFLand stuff, because you know,
there's a decent amount ofpeople that do um steroids, and
they, you know, their cortisollevels are high, they're
competing at such such a highlevel that competing at such a
high level for so many years,it's not like they got into the

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NFL at 22 and that's the onlytime they've worked hard.
They've worked hard since theywere pretty much like 10 or 12
years old, and they haven'tstopped into their 30s or or
even longer.
Um, so your your testosterone'sgonna be shot, and that's why
these guys, on top of like themhaving traumatic brain injuries

(10:12):
and stuff, their testosterone'slike shot, shot, shot, and they
get it depressed and like it alljust compounds together.

SPEAKER_06 (10:20):
And this whole time they've been getting smashed in
the head, yeah, just yeah, liftweights, take tea, and get
smashed by somebody likeswinging a two by four.

SPEAKER_05 (10:31):
Yeah, so you know, I was like, I was itching to get
back on as soon as like I waslike, when can we get pregnant?
Then we went through IVF andstuff, and then like I got back
on testosterone like pretty muchas soon as I could.
Like, thought process was a lotclearer, had more energy, you
know, like lost some weight, andespecially when you work out,

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you start to lose the lovehandles.
That was that's the thing thatlike is the most painful, and
trying to lose that.
Um so like there's so many addedbenefits, and like on top of
that, you have stuff that youyou you're not gonna see is
gonna be like it's beneficialfor your heart and your bones.

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Um for your bones, one way isyou're gonna put m more muscle
mass on, and that's gonna helpout overall with your bone
health as well.

SPEAKER_06 (11:24):
So I think there's go ahead.
There's a secondary effect whenwhen they like kind of like most
studies I've seen, no matterwhether it's like testosterone
related or whatever, it's likemuscle mass and bone density
kind of go hand in hand.
Yeah.
So like they definitely feed offof each other, but there's got

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to be a like a back channel withlike that actually adds.

SPEAKER_05 (11:51):
And that's that's what I worry about.
Like, and like that's what we doin our clinic is that like when
people come in asking for GLPones, we check their hormones,
and we we're like first thingyou need to do is start on
hormone therapy, and then we canlook at the GLP ones because if
you're like just and a lot ofpeople are just being handed the

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GLP ones, yeah.
Um, which you know, like it'sgonna make it worse, and you're
almost never gonna come offthese GLP ones because you know,
you get on you don't take thetestosterone, you're already
losing muscle mass, you alreadygot more fat, and then all of a
sudden this starts to decreaseyour muscle mass even further,

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and you're starting to lose fat.
And and also you already don'thave you know, your energy is
gonna be low, being low ontestosterone.
So the GLP1s, you're caloricrestricting, and you're gonna
have even less energy too.
So it's gonna be make it tougherand tougher to get back to
working out.
So I think one of the best waysto start getting on this path to

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healthy, healthy behaviors isget your testosterone up in
check.
And you know, if you're tryingto get pregnant and stuff,
there's other ways to get yourtestosterone up.
But if you're done with havingkids and everything and want to
get into this healthy lifestyle,I think you start with your
hormone balances, like yourtestosterone, also your thyroid

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hormone, make sure those arebalanced out before starting on
the GLP ones.
So you can have the energy, getback into the gym and everything
before like starting to likereally get that weight loss.
And it'll save you a lot ofmoney too, because the GLP ones
are a lot more expensive thantestosterone replacement.
And what's gonna happen is youcan microdose the GLP ones just

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to keep your glucose undercontrol, keep your grazing under
control, and just build musclemass and lose weight.

SPEAKER_06 (13:56):
Almost like just like a little maintenance dose.
Yeah, it just helps um modulateyour glycemic swing throughout
the day.

SPEAKER_04 (14:06):
How about side effects, guys?
Like you know, people talk aboutblood clots and potential like
heart disease with chronic usethings like that.
Gynecomastia.
So gynechomastia, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (14:18):
So heart disease, it's actually cardio
preventative, it'santi-inflammatory.
So it's the opposite of what youthink.
But like for thickening blood,you we gotta um keep the blood
uh uh the hemoglobin in check,make sure it doesn't get too
thick, then they can get bloodclots, and you gotta just make

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sure you're dosing appropriatelyso you're not super dosing these
people.
Um so and another way is youknow, like the IM injections or
sub Q injections, they're gonnabe and doing it with like a
synthetic hormone is gonna getyou more in like a superhuman
dose where your hemoglobin'syour hematocrit's gonna be a lot

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higher.
Um so doing bio-identical likepellets and stuff, um where your
your levels aren't going allover the place, is gonna keep
you more balanced and preventfrom getting, you know, keeping
your blood too thick.
The other thing you could do isif you tend to get thicker blood

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and you go and give blood everyfew months, so you do you check
your levels and you're going andgiving blood so to prevent again
blood clots and thicker blood.
You also have to check yourprostate because it could cause
enlarged prostate.
So you gotta always keep an eyeon not and see where the PSA is.

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If the people already have phigh PSA, um it's usually stay
away from it unless they havebiopsies and stuff to prove it.

SPEAKER_06 (15:57):
Or if it's like an infection or something like
prosthetitis, yeah.
You just like make sure youtreat the infection, rule out
cancer, and then it's usuallynot a problem.

unknown (16:06):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (16:07):
Do you check like viscosity of blood regularly?
Yeah, because yeah, that's theCBC, just rebel regular C B C.
Just see if the hemoglobin'selevated.

SPEAKER_05 (16:17):
Yeah, like and of course, and like I've done all
forms.
Well, I didn't I take that back.
I didn't I never did creams.
I never like I was like, I don'tknow, no one's really talked
good until until I catch thisguy Johnny from the gym.
Yeah, yeah.
I I never did creams, like Ijust didn't think it was gonna

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be like absorbed appropriately.
Um, some people say it's thebetter way.
Like for a lot of my friends, Istart them off with creams,
they're all scared of needles.
It's an easy way to start out.
Um, for me, I started out withintramuscular injections.
Um, those you get you get like aat 48 hours, you really get a

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high.
Your numbers peak at about 48hours, and then they start to go
down and like kind of plateauoff.
Um, and I am you usually can doonce a week.
Some people do need to do ittwice a week.
Um, then I did sub Q injections.
Um, sub Q injections you need todo more often.

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Um, usually like twice a week isfine.
Um, I was doing microdoses, Iwas doing small doses every day,
but I was like, you know, I'mgonna get like an abscess or
something because it isoil-based and you're putting it
under the skin and you sort ofsometimes get welt.
Um now I just do pellets.
I think, you know, um I do thesmaller pellets.

(17:44):
My uh body fat percentage hasgone too low to do the larger
pellets that I would do everyfive, six months.
Now I do them every three, fourmonths.
And it's more based on symptoms.
I do check my labs, but I checkmy labs as I'm getting the
pellets placed to prove that mynumbers were getting lower.

(18:05):
Um because I I feel it like Ifeel like there's days of doom,
like I almost like when mytestosterone's normal, I I don't
feel that doom period.
Like if I do it's like a a day,but when you don't have like
when the testosterone's lower, Ifeel like it's like kind of
gloomy every day.

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Um energy-wise, run out ofenergy at the end of the day.
Um libido, libido is not there.
Um so you kind of sense thedifference.
And I'm like, I look at the dateand it's it usually coincides
almost right away.
You don't and that's why I sayyou really don't need labs to

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know when you need to get itreplaced if you're doing pellets
for um because pellets are aslow sustained release, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (18:56):
So people that might not know about it.
Yeah, pellets are how do you getpellets?
It's like a 10-minute procedure,it's really quick.
Um easier than an IV.

SPEAKER_05 (19:07):
Yeah, you're numbed up and there's these little
tablets.
Um, they're cylindrical shaped.
Um, we use a little cannula, weput them under your skin.
Um, they can be placed uh inyour butt, um, in your left
handles, usually in fatty areasright under the skin, because
the skin's gonna have thatdermal plexus to um absorb uh uh

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the testosterone or whateverpellet females we put uh
estradiol uh pellets as well.
Um but you you and theabsorption's dependent on your
cardiac output usually.
And how how long does the pelletlast?
So you put it in.

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So the larger ones you're liketalking about five to six
months.
Some people could metabolize itquicker.
Um the smaller ones usuallythree to four months.
Okay.
My last one, I I think I wentfour months with uh the smaller
pellets.

SPEAKER_00 (20:08):
I started working with a blood testing company
about six months ago in America,and I knew I wanted to do more
preventative medicine, all therest of it.
Get my blood stunned, never hadmy T levels done, came back at
495.
So I'm in the normal range, butI'm at the like low end of
normal.
They put me on a protocol whichdidn't include TRT, but like I
needed to take boron to free upmy free tea, and I needed to do
like pharmaceutical grade ofmagnesium glycinate because the

(20:28):
version I was using wasn'tconverted in some Amiga SLS
there and more organ meat.
And I got my results back abouttwo weeks ago, and it was at
1,006.
So it's gone from 495 to 1006.
And the felt difference in mymood, in my energy, libido,
everything is fucking palpable.
Realizing that, oh, I thoughtthat that was life.

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I thought that was normal.
Everything at the moment seemsto be very conducive toward men
not being able topsychologically, physically,
hormonally, socially,archetypally embody anything
that is traditionally masculine.
Ultimately, it's not just guysthat will struggle.
Like if one sex loses, bothsexes lose.

SPEAKER_06 (21:07):
So, what did he say?
Like natural ways to likeincrease it without TRT.

SPEAKER_05 (21:12):
Toronto Mexican glycinate, there's Ashwagandha,
Tanka Ellie.
His numbers, 495 to 1,000 plus,are kind of abnormal.
That dude's pretty muscular andhe works out resistance
training.
Who knows how his sleep wasbetween the two?
They say it it's almostimpossible to go from 500 to
1,000.

(21:32):
Um, but they also say you shouldtest it in the morning um twice
before can vary throughout theday.
Yeah.
So when he got it drawn is a bigimportant thing.
Um, and you know, how about howanimal organs think?
The animal organs they work.
You you should you should betaking in organs.

(21:53):
They, you know, like in in someof them they or cooked liver.
So so they have liver, they havetesticles, they have adrenal
glands, and they do all work.
And like, what do you think thethyroid medications are?
Thyroid medications are likearmor thyroid is desiccated pork
uh thyroid, you know, like um,so you're taking and animal

(22:16):
organs work because they'regonna give you some of the
hormones um that you need.
They work.
I I've taken adrenal stuff, I'vetaken um I've taken the animal
organs all um don't go don't golike the don't go like the liver
king and eat l live liver, butbut but like if you have low T
levels, like his were somewhaton the normal side.

(22:42):
Yeah, like those, you know, thenatural ways, unless you're like
in your 20s and 30s, like whenyou get up to 35 or 40, like
those things aren't gonna work.
You could try it.
I'm not saying don't try it,like get your resistance
training in, um, get your sleep,uh get your stress levels down,

(23:07):
meditate.
Um, also try some of thesupplements.
Ashwagandha, he said boron,magnesium, glycinate, um, and uh
the animal meats they likemagnesium also helps with sleep,
so some of that stuff.
Yeah, that's what I was gonnasay.
Magnesium's but magnesium andlike zinc and stuff, they're in
so many other pathways of likemaking the hormones and how the

(23:31):
hormones work pretty much, yeah.
So it it overall it's gonna helpout.
Um because that's you know, andI wonder like we could test the
supplement we're about to comeout with.
Um because that's gonna increasethe amount of semen you produce.
So I bet you it's umanecdotally, yeah.

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So I bet you it has some effecton your uh testosterone levels.

SPEAKER_06 (23:56):
So what do you think about the liver king?
Well, he was doing enough growthhormone that's like he was doing
all hormones as well.
Yeah, it's a shame.

SPEAKER_05 (24:06):
But but like, you know, that that's the thing.
Like taking taking hormone likebeing on TRT is not taboo, but
like, you know, and it used tobe taboo because like people
just overdo it or don't likemonitor their life.
But like I should be going tomore parties because every time
I go to a party, I get two orthree patients, yeah, like and

(24:26):
they sign up for pellets.
Like it's on a regular basis.
So you go and talk to any dad,they're like beaten up.
They're like, I can't I've beenworking out like when I can, I
can't lose weight, I can't gainmuscle.
And like, and I test theirtestosterone, and they they're
all below what they need to be,and like we're getting them on

(24:50):
pellets.
And I'm not saying everyoneneeds to be on it, and like just
that, like I said, if you'retrying to have kids and
everything, there's other ways,and I would try like the
supplements and yeah, you know,the other lifestyle factors to
be able to get get it improvedwithout getting on anything for

(25:10):
testosterone.
And then, you know, like myfriend, I got him on in clomphen
instead of putting him ontestosterone, and he just had a
kid last month.
Um so there's other ways to, andhe felt great.
He was like, you know, it justtotally changed his life.
Like he felt more energy, um,just libido through the roof.

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Uh there's other ways ofapproaching everything.

SPEAKER_06 (25:40):
Helping the couch, JD Vance on everybody.
Yeah, compete with a dog,quagmire was like, compete with
a dog, a stuffed animal.
Anything else you you like tolike combine with the TRT, or a
lot of people like you think TRTis enough?

SPEAKER_05 (26:00):
Um matters what they want.
Yeah.
You know, for me, like shit.

SPEAKER_06 (26:06):
I am I When'd you feel your best?
Let's let's say like um, becauseyou you've been on a combination
of stuff for as long as Iremember.

SPEAKER_05 (26:16):
And right and right now I'm in one of those cycles
that I'm like doing way too manyinjections every day.
Um what are you on?
But like the regiment of the theCJC ipomorlins, like you know,
some of the growth hormonereleasing peptides, or like if
you really need growth hormone,that's like it it works, and you

(26:38):
get energy and like working outthe pumps, everything's like so
much better.
The deep sleep is so muchbetter.
Um, like right now, uh, I gotsome NAD and glutathione sub Q
daily.
Um I do epithalon, that's like a10-day cycle.

(27:00):
Um, I I actually I'm doing a20-day cycle.
I half the dose that I was doingthe 10-day cycle of.

SPEAKER_06 (27:07):
Um how often would you do that epithalon?

SPEAKER_05 (27:11):
Uh I do it twice a year, sometimes three.
Um and then I have BPC that Itake morning and night.
Um, injectable.
Um because they both work.
Some people, you know, they're II saw someone talking about like
the oral is bullshit, it doesn'twork.

(27:32):
What were you using it for?
That's a question to ask them.
If it's for like an injury ortendon, recovery, stuff like
that, I I suggest injectable.
But if you're looking to repairyour gut and stuff, there's
nothing better than doing itoral.
Yeah, um, although theinjectable is gonna help with
the gut health, the oral isgonna be a lot better for it.
Yeah, um, and sometimessometimes I do take the oral BPC

(27:58):
as well as doing the uh sub Qinjections.
Um how often you do you do theBPC?
Uh I do it like three to fourtimes a year.
I for like six weeks, six toeight weeks.
Six to eight weeks, whatever thevial runs me.
Yeah, um, it's usually sixweeks.
Um the CJC appointment.

SPEAKER_06 (28:19):
BPC is really popular right now.
Uh a lot of people ask me, I'mlike, how do you know what that
is?

SPEAKER_05 (28:25):
Yeah, people would like, especially anyone that
gets an ache, like our cousintexts us.
She's like, she does CrossFitand volleyball, and her dad had
all back issues, and he's Idon't know if she's gonna be
scared of needles, but I I sentI sent her some BPC.
Um, there's you know, some ofthe people that work in our
office, they're like they triedeverything for their back issues

(28:49):
and like nothing worked.
Um, but the injectable BPC liketook all that away.
It takes so much of theinflammation.
And what was one of the weirdestthings was um I think one of my
patients that seems like she'salways inflamed, she actually
took our Wolverine stackpost-operatively.
She actually had withdrawalsymptoms from the um the

(29:12):
Wolverine stack that has BPC andTB4.
She started to get real badmigraine headaches because the
and she's like she went on thereview site to see like if other
people experienced it, and otherpeople experience because like
the thing is once you come offof it, if you're continuing to

(29:33):
be inflamed and haven't taken,you know, like cleaned up your
diet or like have some source ofinflammation, that inflammation
continues to go, and you're offthe pills that reduced that and
took away all that headache andall the toxins and everything.
And now that's still with you,all of a sudden that turns into
the the headaches.

(29:54):
Yeah.
Um, what else did I take?
Um what else?
I'm on melanitan, methylene.
I'm on a bunch of the level up.
And like one of my favoritenewest ones that's black market
is the SLU PP.
Oh, this and I got stuff fromOsh straight from China that

(30:17):
we're testing out these labs.
That stuff oral form, it's likefreaking in a week.
I was like, I'm like seeinggetting more cut up.
I'm like doing the sameworkouts.
It's amazing.
I'm like that stuff's totallygonna take I it's gonna once it

(30:37):
gets like F F the A approved orlike through and it's oral form,
it it's like an amazingsupplement.
But getting your hands on somegood stuff is gonna be the tough
part with that.

SPEAKER_06 (30:50):
Yeah, testing and um that's why I always ask you
about it.

SPEAKER_05 (30:55):
Yeah.
No, I I I love it.

SPEAKER_06 (30:58):
It's like it's like I remember when you first got on
it, you're like, this is kind oflike whacked out.
Like I feel like I'm crazy onit.

SPEAKER_05 (31:08):
Especially like I I felt like because I just started
on the NAD glutathione oralstuff the past week, and like
the mornings I feel on fire.
Like I walked into that caseyesterday, and I was like, oh, I
feel that that's you know, youget on the under the microscope
and you're like, you don't wastea move.

(31:29):
You're like, yeah, this is thisis how you need to operate.
You know, you know your brain'sfiring away.
So um yeah, like you could stacktestosterone, but it's gotta be
one of your foundational things.
Um you can stack it with almostanything.
Um and you know, you just buildup the levels.

(31:50):
It's not like I got oneverything, I tried the
different things with differentthings and seen how it worked,
um, and continued that.
Like I even take like I'm onmelanitan for tanning, like my
uh but that also melanitan helpswith libido, um it helps with

(32:11):
losing weight because it itdecreases your appetite and
everything.
Um it's actually like such it'sa right away if you're taking it
every day, it's a pretty strongappetite suppressant because I
like would I get nauseous assoon as I inject, I'm like, how
is this small amount?

(32:32):
And like I'm not telling I'm notkidding, like 10 seconds I
inject it, and I'm like, ohyeah, and it's like sub Q
inject.
I'm like, how does your bodylike recognize this compound
like with that quickly?
And I'm like, feel nauseousright away.
So play around with the dosageso you don't get notched.

SPEAKER_06 (32:55):
Do you think any of the stuff you do is overlapping?

SPEAKER_05 (32:58):
And that's that's where I cut out some of the
stuff.
I'll try it and um I'll cut out.
And like on level up, there'sthe other thing, terchesterone.
Turkesterone's like it's like aTurkish people?
I know that's what I thought.
It must have been a Turkishpeople that found it.

(33:18):
Um it's actually like aplant-based steroid.
Um works on, I believe it's theestrogen receptors.
And it it is it works on theother pathway of increasing
muscle mass, um, where you know,it it doesn't work on the
androgen pathway.
It works on a similar pathway,but it will get you like you'll

(33:43):
get increased pumps, you'll liftheavier.
Um overall, it's great for thegym.
And I I got off of it.
I ordered three bottles thatarrived today.
I can't wait to use it.
I'm like, I'm going to Valencia,so I gotta start.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (33:59):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Not medical advice sell it.

SPEAKER_05 (34:05):
Other other companies sell it, but level up
level ups like my go-to becausethey're their products are
quality.
Okay.
Um, and and we've been likewe've been selling it through
the roof.
Like even our post-op, like ourcosmetic patients um, we usually
they usually get it, but thenthere are other patients are

(34:28):
also starting to buy it, get it.
We're selling it online.
Um everything.
It's it they they have greatproducts and peptides are
becoming big and they they havesome good quality peptides, just
like we said with gettingquality supplements, these are
quality supplements that can betaken oral.

SPEAKER_06 (34:47):
Yeah, hopefully in the next few years there's a lot
more FDA clearance and clarityabout like just peptides.

SPEAKER_05 (34:53):
Actually, we gotta work on getting that guy.
He's he's from Australia.
We gotta get him on our podcast.
He's the owner, the owner of uhlevel up.
I actually talked to him on theside.

SPEAKER_06 (35:03):
Oh, you mean level up?
Yeah.
Wow, you weren't in Aussie,Rodmer was.
You weren't visiting though.
Yeah.
Did you get any peptides whileyou were there?

SPEAKER_04 (35:12):
No, not from that guy.
Not on the Sydney harbor.

SPEAKER_05 (35:17):
You gotta go to Russia.

SPEAKER_06 (35:18):
Russia's gonna get you to Siberia.

SPEAKER_05 (35:21):
That's how they're being Ukraine.

SPEAKER_06 (35:23):
Yeah, the wrestle bears and I went to see the best
guy I could see, anendocrinologist.

SPEAKER_01 (35:31):
I'm like, you know, how do I manage this?
And it was half like my wife, myis my ex-wife now, wanted to try
for another baby as well.
So we're looking into all this,and I'm like, you know what,
should I do some HCG or this andthat?
He just looked me in the eyesand said, Laurian, I think you
know more about this than I do.
Fing hell.
Thanks, man.
I mean, so yeah, I just wentcold turkey for 18 months, and

(35:54):
that was not fun until I figuredit out.
So I kind of had to figure itout for myself while I'm feeling
so sh and why I'm gettinganxiety, why I can't sleep
properly, and all this stuff,because my testosterone was in
whatever, 200 or something, youknow.

SPEAKER_05 (36:07):
Yeah, Dorian Yates is someone I looked up to.
Yeah, in college.
Growing up powerlifting.
Yeah, yeah, that guy's massive.
It's um so my question to youguys why haven't you guys gotten
on TRT?

SPEAKER_06 (36:21):
Honestly, I don't have a good reason.
Yeah, just like uh just do it,start it next week or next week,
and then I also want to do thisthing where I like just document
all the changes and thedifferent whatever peptides, um,
hormone replacement, all thesethings, and just be able to
document how I feel, how I lookthroughout the process, and it's

(36:45):
just giving me more and moreexcuses to not do it.

SPEAKER_05 (36:48):
I I think you gotta just do it because like one
thing is we we live such a busylifestyle, and you want to do
these things, and like even likeworking out, like it because you
know, I was like, I'll work outin the morning, get up early.
Like now my son sleeps in myroom, I moved everything into
our room, and like now we can'tget up and work out.
So I bought the resistancebands, and then I forced myself.

(37:11):
I was like, I'm gonna just takethe resistance bands into the
living room and do the workoutinstead of being like, Oh, I'm
gonna come at home at night.
And you come at home at night, Igotta do it during the morning
for workouts.
So it's like, yeah, so it Ithink just planning around, like
trying to do something to dosomething, you know, like I get
it done.
Just get it done, and then youcan get you can once you get

(37:36):
more energy and more focus, thenyou're able to do all that other
stuff together, yeah.
You know, because I think that'swhere it's gonna bring
everything together, you'll bemore focused and more energetic
and just like want to get theshit done.
And you're like, all right, I Ifeel great.
And let me, and once you buildthat confidence, you're gonna be

(37:57):
like recording yourself.

SPEAKER_06 (37:59):
Like Sarah would always complain to me, it's
like, oh, you're gonna go workout like first thing, like when
I got up on the weekends.
Yeah, like you're you're gonnacome home, you're gonna like
just have no energy to doanything else.
I'm like, I don't know, I'd I'dfeel better after that.

SPEAKER_05 (38:13):
Yeah, you get you gotta put the wife excuse, you
know, like they they shame you,they make you feel bad that
you're working out and they'rethey're not working out, and you
for go work out.
They shame you for working, notworking out, you know, like but
like no, I I I think bullying atthe tourist.
Yeah, dude.

SPEAKER_06 (38:33):
You think you think bullying's bad in high school?
Wait until you get married.

SPEAKER_05 (38:38):
But I think once you get fat, like they they despise
you for not working out, butthey despise you that you like
you're working out until you getinto shape, then they're like
they're like fucking hate you.
Why are you in shape right now?

SPEAKER_06 (38:52):
But I can't say thank god none of them watch
this stuff or anything we post.
I know, but exactly.

SPEAKER_04 (38:58):
I don't know where to start.
My body's obviously inflamed.
I gotta go draw labs.
I think that's where we need tostart.
Yeah, you're super hard.

SPEAKER_05 (39:07):
Yeah, I know.
I need to go anti-inflammatory.

SPEAKER_04 (39:11):
I probably need CJC.
Oh, you got it like big time.

SPEAKER_06 (39:13):
That's probably the biggest big big time allergy
issues, too.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_05 (39:17):
I need to get on methylene glue.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (39:21):
I think I just need to start.
But I want to do it stepwise, ofcourse, just like one by one.
No, no need to go stepwise.
No, just try the differentstuff.

SPEAKER_05 (39:30):
No, just try different stuff.
Okay.
But like you you start out withthe anti-inflammatory stuff and
then you get on the stuff to sowhat would you suggest me
starting?
Because it's taken down there.

SPEAKER_04 (39:41):
Probably I will start.
I need methylene blue, right?

SPEAKER_05 (39:44):
Yeah, methylene blue, I think, is good for you
because like we don't know ifyou have some viral fungal
something in there that'scausing your I haven't looked up
the data on methylene blue.
Like there's a lot of data onantifungal.
Like, seriously, like I hadissues with my big toenails.

(40:05):
I started methylene blue andit's gone.
Like, like fungal infections,like disappeared.
Like, I'm not kidding.
It it it's all it's gone becauseit's antiviral, anti-fungal, and
it's not me putting it on mytoenail, it was just taking it
orally.

SPEAKER_06 (40:21):
I kind of want to try it now for for my subarec
dermatitis.
That actually might be a gooddeal.

SPEAKER_05 (40:27):
So my issue with like the I think I figured out
what my biggest issue is.
We're in freaking masks.
I think the masks and the hat,they have stuff that I'm
allergic to because they theylike I flake like right here.
Yeah, but I got some of them Iget even worse.

SPEAKER_06 (40:46):
No, I know across my body now.
So I think try that out beforethe antifungal drugs.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (40:54):
And just yeah, the antifungals are never good for
you.
So it's like they're gonna taketake a shot on your liver.

SPEAKER_06 (41:02):
Yeah, and and and they have killed people.

SPEAKER_04 (41:05):
I got the I got the tinnia.

SPEAKER_05 (41:06):
Yeah, I got the spaghetti and meatballs on yeah,
just yeah, I I don't know ifit's a methylene blue.
I haven't gotten the shit.

SPEAKER_06 (41:14):
But go going back to that video, it's it's funny,
like he he's talking abouttalking to his endocrinologist
who's a specialist in hormonesspecifically.

SPEAKER_05 (41:25):
Yeah, and they're just like, Oh, I guess you know
more than this, because likeyou're you're pretty much
trained for like certaindisorders, whether it's
diabetes, so like your thyroid,pancreas, adrenal but they don't
teach us about TRT, althoughthey I think more and more med
schools are starting to teachabout this wellness and like
more hormone replacement andstuff because um it's becoming

(41:49):
more and more important.
Like we're they were theyweren't like we never got taught
anything.
No, you could have followed anendocrinologist.
I I have patients that come froman endocrinologist, they're
like, he won't put me ontestosterone and and I've seen
like monthly labs of like therepeated things.

SPEAKER_06 (42:07):
Like, how's this thing gonna even change?
And you checked it monthly forsix months.
Like, why are you still doingthat same test?
And um, what one person like acombined patient felt like crap
for years?
He keeps getting he he was justlike, Let me fax over my laps,

(42:27):
and we just like he's like, Doyou want all of them or just the
last three months or six months?
I'm like, let's let's just startwith the three months.
He sent them in and it was likethis packet.
I was like, what the hell isthis?
Like, why do you keep gettingtested for hepatitis C like
every month?
Like, there's no reason I shouldgo from negative to positive.

(42:49):
Yeah, uh, and like it's allthese crazy things looking at
the microparticles, and the guyjust felt like crap.
Yeah, it's just like just likehey, uh guess what, guys?
I got because he just wantedtestosterone because he felt
great on testosterone for likethe three-month period they
tried like five years ago, yeah.

(43:10):
And they were just like, We haveto hold off, we have to work up
your adrenals, blah, blah, blah,before we continue that.
He's like, Ever since then, Ifelt like crap, and he just got
diagnosed with prostatitisbecause they they we were gonna
give him testosterone, but hisPSAs were elevated.
Yeah, he's like, you know, itwasn't Did they put him on
cortisone?
Or they tried that.

SPEAKER_05 (43:31):
Oh, yeah, he tried that.
You should probably just takesome adrenal cortex instead of
doing cortisol.

SPEAKER_06 (43:37):
Yeah, he's been on a bunch of stuff, but apparently
he should definitely eat theorgan meats.

SPEAKER_05 (43:44):
Yeah, yeah.
Organ meats are gonna probablylike really.

SPEAKER_06 (43:47):
We have to start like a line of like some type of
organ jerky.
Yeah, like I think that wouldwork well.
You don't need to sell a lot ofit, but just a little bit at
every store.

SPEAKER_05 (43:58):
Dude, we should just open up one of those Iranian
kebab stores that we you makelike chicken liver.
Chic live.
It wasn't chicken, beef liver.

SPEAKER_06 (44:08):
Beef liver, beef heart, heart and liver.
That's what I think.

SPEAKER_05 (44:12):
They did everything, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (44:14):
Yeah.
It's like, oh, here's my Iraniandelicacy, which translates
literally to heart and liver.
Yeah, yeah.
I love that stuff.
Oh, it's so good.
But oh, you liked it.
Oh, yeah, I liked it too.
I didn't like it.
I don't like it, it's potent.
Yeah.
Rodmere only.

SPEAKER_05 (44:29):
Well, not when my mom made it, the stores, those
when my mom made it.

SPEAKER_06 (44:34):
Like that sauteed onions.

SPEAKER_05 (44:36):
Uh, that was no, I I liked it from the kebabs like
the kebab stores on the grill.

SPEAKER_06 (44:44):
Liver king style.
You don't even need to.

SPEAKER_05 (44:47):
We should actually do a podcast hardener with with
eating liver.

SPEAKER_06 (44:52):
I'd I again I like it.

SPEAKER_04 (44:54):
Yeah, so um liver and onions.
We're going to school in ourbackpack.

SPEAKER_06 (45:02):
Oh god, yeah, we used to open that in lunchtime.
Dude, the whole whole thing.
I'm surprised we're gonna getthe shit kicked out of us more.
Like these weird, weird uhpeople wanted our lunches
though.
They're like, oh man.

SPEAKER_05 (45:19):
They're like coming, they're like, what is this
stuff?
They're like, they used to shoveeverything in a pita.
We're like, you're not supposedto eat it like that.
They're like, well, you have thepita bread.

SPEAKER_06 (45:30):
They used to just shove everything in most mostly
was actually the adults, thecoaches, would be like, Tarabi,
like there was a coach from likea rival school.
Remember Lonnie?
Yeah, you'd always at the tour,it was Tarabi, you guys got some
food.
Like, what do you always come upto us and like just try to take

(45:53):
our food from us?
It's like your mom's cookingagain?
It's like you're not even mycoach.
It's like, how do you know aboutthis?

SPEAKER_05 (46:03):
Oh man.

SPEAKER_06 (46:04):
Did that through college too?

SPEAKER_05 (46:06):
Like, uh you know what was the weirdest thing?
Like at Simren's wedding, like,there's all these primary care
physicians, and you know, likethey saw me and like uh kind of
my transformation and the or wasit her no, her shower.
And like, I'm talking to allthese primary care.
I'm like, did you get your labs?
And like almost all of them gottheir labs.

(46:26):
Their T was definitely theirtotal T was definitely low, but
not doing anything about it.
No, they're like, Oh, it'snormal, like it's 300 or 400.

SPEAKER_06 (46:35):
The normal the the common misconception is the
normal range given on lab valuesfor most facilities, it's
somewhere between like the twosome I've seen as low as 150 to
1150.
That just I know units and stuffmatter, stuff, but but that's

(46:56):
such a huge range.

SPEAKER_05 (46:57):
You're like, yeah, uh, that doesn't seem right,
especially for something thatyou know, like it's it's not
really supposed to be way abovethat 1200 range, anyways.
Yeah, but but then to be likethat low, also yeah, like you're
you like let's talk about likeyour red blood cell count.
What's normal if it goes below13 or it might be even higher,

(47:22):
yeah, it's anemic, and then ifit's 15 or above, you might have
too many red blood cells, right?
Yep, so it's like you have twoto play with, and this is like
800 and like I don't know howyou're measuring this, but like
I I think because there's nolike direct correlation, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (47:43):
Like if it was a direct correlation with like a
testosterone of 400, yeah, theydo more to treat it or like
address it, and it's not likeit's not uh taught of thought of
holistically, yeah.
Like, okay, well, if you got lowtestosterone, it's probably
affecting the other pathways.
Yeah, because your body's notlike siloed systems, they all

(48:07):
work together.

SPEAKER_05 (48:08):
So females, we do quite a bit of pellets on
females, and like I haven't seena single female on testosterone
replacement that is not thebiggest fan of it.

SPEAKER_06 (48:21):
I don't know about you.

SPEAKER_05 (48:22):
Yeah, we have so many breast cancer patients that
they're uh or they're not actualbreast cancer, they're like
bread genetically positive,prophylactic, and they're like,
you know, their energy's throughthe roof now, and they were, you
know, their testosterone wasalmost nothing, and most people
in the breast cancer worldprobably tell them to keep it

(48:45):
like zero, but you know, evenbreast cancer patients.
I'm like, do you really want tolike do you want to live or do
you want to just like livemiserably, you know?
Yeah, because like I I thinkjust give you five good years
enough because like the you knowthe the thing is the estrogen

(49:05):
blockers aren't like a survivalbenefit, they're a recurrence,
they decrease recurrence, butit's not proven to decrease the
the or increase their survival.

SPEAKER_06 (49:15):
I haven't looked at disease-free survival versus um
survival data on that recently.

SPEAKER_05 (49:22):
So I can't yeah, we'd have to back the data on
that, but like yeah, I like I'veread on multiple sources.

SPEAKER_06 (49:30):
So theoretically, if you get too much testosterone,
some can get turned over toestrogen.
Estrogen can be feeding too.

SPEAKER_05 (49:39):
But you gotta, and that's that's why you gotta
carefully you gotta carefully doit.
You're not looking forsuperhuman protocols on females.
You gotta just keep them, youknow, like as long as it gives
them energy and makes them feelbetter, you keep them at that
smooth state.
You don't need to go go crazy.
Yeah, like I I females, I don'tgo over like 150.

SPEAKER_06 (50:01):
So 150 in comparison total that's totally 150
compared to males like 1150.
So it's it's um that would stillbe low in in a male test, but
that that amount I the exactlylike the change of mood and
everything you see is like youmight be like just with a little

(50:23):
testosterone, you might not needyour SSRIs and all this other
crap.

SPEAKER_05 (50:27):
Oh, absolutely, and and actually feel better.
And that's what the problem isbecause Big Pharma doesn't want
like one thing that treats somany things in uh everyone.
Uh when they can give make eightdrugs that they can make a ton
more money.
Testosterone's not thatexpensive to make.
Uh it's not.
And they can't patenttestosterone.

SPEAKER_06 (50:48):
So um Eli Lilly's stock is pushing like bi levels
now since it's dipped.

SPEAKER_03 (50:56):
I'm gonna start taking steroids.
That is a horrible idea.
Why?
Ben Johnson, soul, 1988.
We understand that you want toget shred?
Shredded.
Oh my, not this again.
Okay.
You want to get big.
Right, but do it natty.
Naughty?
Natty, natural, withoutsteroids.
We just want to tell you some ofthe side effects and the
complications that can happen ifyou take steroids.

(51:17):
Okay, number one.
Psychiatric disturbances.
Sure, mood disturbances, roidrage.
Don't interrupt me.
Number two, liver tumors.
Cardiovascular disease, heartattack, stroke, kidney failure,
infertility.
Even something calledgynecomastia, where your breast
tissue increases in men.

SPEAKER_02 (51:33):
Tendon ruptures.

SPEAKER_03 (51:33):
Yes.
You can rupture your bicepstendon, quadriceps tendon.

SPEAKER_02 (51:37):
So now you know the risks.
It's not worth it.
There are lots of other ways togain muscle mass naturally.

SPEAKER_06 (51:42):
So I'm gonna start up, you know this better than I
do.
The the arguments for all the uhside effects and stuff that
video shows, a lot of it's ifyou go like crazy levels.
If you maintain within thehigher end of normal spectrum,
like you you don't getgynecomastia.
Yeah.
Um, you're not gonna get a heartattack.

(52:05):
Yeah, and if you do the a lot ofthe cardiac issues, because
people take steroids, becauseeverything's just yeah, thrown
into steroids.
It's like you take likeexogenous growth hormone, that's
gonna lead to a higher some ofthe synthetic testosterone.

SPEAKER_05 (52:21):
It's like you're taking Bulls testosterone that's
like six times early.

SPEAKER_06 (52:26):
Well the same stuff they're giving to horses that
race in in the Kentucky Derby.
It's like you probably shouldn'tbe doing that.
Like you're you okay, you got aheart attack because you took
testosterone.
Like, yeah, yeah, because itwasn't properly monitored, it
wasn't properly administered,it's not properly processed.
Like that's that's all a bunchof bullshit.

SPEAKER_05 (52:47):
Yeah, you're going superhuman levels without like
any monitoring by a physician,and it matters what steroids you
know, testosterone's grouped inwith them.
It's a kind of steroid, but it'snot the same thing.

SPEAKER_06 (53:02):
It's also who's everything's providing it.
Yeah, it's who's monitoring it.
Yeah, like if you're again atthe high end of normal, you're
you're getting testosteronereplacement, TRT, hormone
replacement to stay at the highend of normal.
That's still normal.
Yeah, you are getting help tostay there, but that's that's
saying like if somebody likeevery 20-year-old's gonna get a

(53:25):
heart attack or developgynecomastia, yeah, is there
higher than you are when you're45?
Like that just kind of that'skind of bullshit.

SPEAKER_05 (53:35):
I got gyne without testosterone, so it's like what
is it, a third of men do butlike if if you're doing super,
but like you gotta be dosing alittle too high and for a decent
some people affects more, andthat's why you gotta, you know,
probably start out with likedoing the IM injections or like

(53:57):
even the cream.
If these guys were wearingscrubs, yeah, they probably know
what they're talking about, youknow, and and it's people like
them that don't really know thebenefits and like how it
actually helps people out, andlike especially like depression,
like the depression's gonethrough the roof, and like with

(54:17):
something that can help not needto take antidepressants, yeah.
Um like especially a lot of thewar veterans and stuff, you
know, because like our war vetsprobably need it, and the VA
does a shitty job at taking careof them.

SPEAKER_06 (54:33):
Yeah, one of my friends they're like super low
dose from high school, he's justlike, dude, how can I get this?
Like, because he can't affordit, like to get it weekly.
He's like, his levels are likeunder 50.
Yeah, he's like the VA won'tlike increase the dose, and even
though his levels remain under100, yeah, he just can't get TRT

(54:54):
and afford it.

SPEAKER_05 (54:55):
Yeah, especially like being on antidepressant,
that's gonna lower yourtestosterone level, um, being on
SSRIs.
Um, also like poor sleep,especially if you're depressed,
you're gonna have even more poorsleep.
PTSD.
Like you won't if you went towar and like you didn't sleep
all those nights, and like nowyou're having PTSD and dreaming

(55:18):
about the you know, likewhatever happened.
So the and traumatic braininjury, like you could have
possibly had some of that.
So, and you know, part of thiswhole suicide thing could be,
you know, low testosteronelevel.

SPEAKER_06 (55:34):
Yeah, with and and um one thing in that video that
stood out to me is like you'retaking this to build muscle.
It's like no, for it's we wedon't have bodybuilders in our
clinic.
We we do have occasionally hereand there, but it's not like
people coming there to try toget swole, like I need
testosterone to build muscle.

(55:54):
It's like every one of them islike even our like cosmetic
patients, yeah, they want to doit because they want to feel
better, yeah.
Feel better about themselves.

SPEAKER_05 (56:03):
It's not about love yourself, love your wife, like
it it just makes life a lotbetter, just overall.
Yeah, like when you don't havelibido, like your wife's gonna
think something's wrong withyou, and like you know, to gain
that back and like actually youknow, you almost become asexual
without it.
So, like until your levels getback to normal.

(56:26):
Um and like I always say, ifyou're not horny, you're not
healthy, and part of that's thetestosterone levels.
Um makes sense, but I I just Ijust hate how physicians get on
record and they keep ondemonizing testosterone when it
helps in so many ways.
I'm like, dude, go and do yourstudies because it's like

(56:48):
anti-inflammatory, helps withyou know preventing heart
disease.
Um you're building lean musclemass.
What grip strength is big onlongevity?
If you look up, there's multiplestudies on that.
Being able to get up on a like asingle limb is also probably due
to your testosterone and likebuilding muscle mass, being able

(57:12):
to get on on a single limb.
The more limbs you use to getup, the you know that just goes
to tell how long you have leftto live.
So um it it's so important in somany ways.
And like when physicians don'ttake care of their patients with
uh offering hormones justbecause they didn't learn enough

(57:33):
about it, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (57:33):
And like in in the female realm even if you don't
offer it, like just discountingit without the appropriate
knowledge, and you're supposedto be the specialist.

SPEAKER_05 (57:43):
Yeah, in the female realm, like the whole women's
health initiative that totallyscrewed all the females out of
like, you know, and madeeveryone scared that they're
gonna get breast cancer.
However, it's you know, studiesare coming out that you know,
using biodenttical hormones andthe right hormone balance, like
you're you're actually gonnaprevent breast cancer, not cause

(58:07):
breast cancer with takinghormones.
So um I I think it it's pickingup and it it's a good thing, and
people are learning about itthemselves, they're asking for
it, they're going and lookingfor places that serve them.
Um and it is a what I don't knowwhat the classes of drugs are.

(58:28):
Is it class three is bad orwhatever?
Yeah, so I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 (58:33):
I stopped following it when I said.

SPEAKER_05 (58:34):
So I actually have to sign, I I have to sign onto
EPCS to like do a review likeyou do for opioids and stuff to
prescribe it for people.
Yeah, even the creams and stuff,which it kind of seems absurd,
but it is a controlledsubstance.

SPEAKER_06 (58:52):
If you're thinking you might need TRT, you probably
do.
Yeah, most people do, even ifyou're healthy.
Um I say most, it's pretty muchanybody over 35.
If you're over 45, you can likecount on it.

SPEAKER_05 (59:06):
I'm telling you, every party I go to, I pick up
like a few people.
Like if it's and it's not justmales, it's females, like that.
I don't pick them up.
I get them on the path to healthand wellness and taking care of
themselves, taking care ofthemselves and just being
healthy.

(59:27):
Overall, like it's just it justmakes everything better.
You have more energy, you have aclearer brain.
Um, you're gonna love yourfamily more, they're gonna love
you more, you're gonna just beoverall more productive, um, and
just a better person.
What some people think like, I'mgonna get on testosterone and
I'm gonna be this moody bitch.

(59:49):
Um, yeah, no, that doesn'thappen unless you're super
dosing or like you're ready thatway, you're not gonna Yeah, you
gotta kind of do it responsiblyand see.

SPEAKER_06 (01:00:00):
Mo most of it, it seems like with everybody that
takes it, like from our clinic,almost after a certain amount of
time, you don't even need lablevels.
Yeah.
And the patients don't either.
They can feel the difference.

(01:00:21):
Yeah.
So you you definitely like it.

SPEAKER_05 (01:00:24):
Yeah, we don't even, yeah, that's uh that's why I've
gone away from like people like,aren't you gonna check my labs?
I'm like, we don't need to.
If you feel like crap, I'm gonnagive you the pellets because you
we can definitely check labs ifthat makes you feel better.
Yeah, but it's an unneeded poke,unneeded expense.

SPEAKER_06 (01:00:40):
So yeah.