September 24, 2025 • 43 mins
What if the greatest gift you could leave your family wasn’t money or property but health itself?
In this episode, Kurt and DeAnna Mangum II — founders of Phoenix-based CoupleyFit — share how their accidental journey into coaching evolved into a mission to create “generational health.” From a first client’s 80-pound weight loss to watching her kids embrace healthy habits, the Mangums show how small changes ripple through families.
They break down their simple SWAN framework (Sleep, Water, Activity, Nutrition) and offer candid insights on weight-loss approaches, including peptides, GLP-1 medications like Ozempic, and the myths around surgical interventions. Kurt explains why resistance training, even just 15–20 minutes a morning with bands, is critical for preserving muscle while losing weight.
Packed with practical tips, myth-busting, and an inspiring vision for wellness that lasts beyond one generation, this conversation will change the way you think about health.
🎧 Listen now to discover how to start building your own legacy of generational health.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Today's guests are Kurt and Deanna Mangum II, the
husband and wife team behindCupply Fit.
Based in Phoenix, they're on amission to create generational
health by helping couples thrivementally, emotionally,
physically and spiritually.
Kurt is head of businessdevelopment at the ISA, Deanna
(00:21):
is a full-time nutrition andwellness consultant and together
they've built the SWAN approachsleep, water, activity,
nutrition proving that truetransformation is a whole person
journey.
Please welcome Kurt and DeannaMangum II.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
So what are you guys doing?
Active in?
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Health and wellness.
Yeah, Obviously, it'sdefinitely a big one.
So, you know, right after wegot married in 2016, we
co-founded together Coupley Fit,which is a health wellness
lifestyle.
We have a couple of differentelements of what we do from the
business side, but it's allabout generational health, yeah,
and we created an ethos calledSWAN Sleep, Water, Activity,
Nutrition which is our frameworkaround making one SWAN change
(01:07):
and it's all about thegenerational for couples in
particular.
So that's just a little bit.
Yeah, no, I mean, you hit it onthe head.
Who brought up the idea first?
Interesting enough, it wasn'tCupply Fit, it was going to be
like Pretty Fit and it was goingto be her business.
Yes, I was going to be focusingon women.
She's going to be focused onwomen.
Now, as I say that, it soundslike I kind of like took over
(01:28):
the plan.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
No, but it wasn't like that.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
It was super authentic it was.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
It was very organic the way that it happened, also
because when Kurt was playingfootball I was meal prepping for
him.
I was, you know, weighing outhis food and making sure that
he's getting all of his proteincarbohydrates to stay fueled.
But then we're working outtogether and so we were
documenting, kind of our journeyon social media and then people
just started reaching out likehey, are you guys going to be
(01:52):
doing any boot camps or mealplans or any of these?
Speaker 3 (01:55):
And we were like no, we have no plans to do that.
No, we're working out.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
We're just working out.
So Kurt's family.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
You're just shit posting over here.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Yeah, that's it.
So Kurt's family.
They have a cafe in Phoenix SkyHarbor, so it's the Refuge now,
but at the time it was PressCoffee, food and Wine, and so he
was working in his familybusiness while he's waiting for
some calls to come through forfootball.
(02:22):
And then employees startedreaching out like can you, maybe
, you maybe like create me ameal plan or something.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Yeah, and we were like sure.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
So, you know that Starbucks that's in the baggage
claim.
Yeah, that's literally where wehad our first client.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Oh wow, first consultation ever, first
consultation and our firstclient.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
She lost 80 pounds in one year, and so what we
noticed, though, is that she hadthis amazing transformation,
but then she had two sons, andthen her sons were seeing the
transformation that she washaving, and they were holding
her accountable.
Hey mom, we're supposed to behiking Camelback.
Hey mom, we're supposed to begoing to the park.
Hey mom, what's avocado Like?
I see you eating that.
I want to try it.
(02:54):
So then we started saying oh,this is bigger than what we
originally anticipated, whichwas just to help people lose
weight.
And it ended up being agenerational thing where we said
, wow, if we can impact couplesor parents, we're going to see
that this trickles down to thekids.
And now we say, rather thanpassing down the material items,
let's pass down those healthyhabits, right?
Like let's generational health,because people always think of
(03:16):
generational wealth but, I,can't spend my wealth if I don't
have my health.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
So yeah, and and to that, and to that exact point.
It was kind of crazy just howfull circle things started to
become, because at the timeagain, it wasn't like launch
this business, it was just likewe're helping.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
It was organic.
It was organic.
How do we?
Speaker 3 (03:32):
help.
And one thing that we knew froma I was doing marketing for the
business at the time All of thesocial media.
We're getting some awards bythe airport.
We used to have all of the Imean you name it.
When it comes to celebrities,you have to come through from
Michael Phelps to Sage Steelebecause, again, it's airport
right.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Yeah, you know, you're kind of not trapped and
there's a lot of people in thisarea too, I mean.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Phoenix is the number five, you know largest city and
one of the busiest airports.
So you're talking aboutthousands of people a day that
you would see, and so not onlydo we had the injury, but social
media and we're posting and youknow people are getting excited
about this, and so when welaunched our business, we were
constantly creating content.
So from drone footage to likewe're out at a bootcamp at the
park and it's free at KiwanisPark and to be, but we got a
(04:13):
drone out there and likeballoons and it's, it's, it's an
activate views, it was adifferent view and an activation
, and so that was one of thereally unique competitive
advantages because over theyears, yes, we had the health
and wellness, but we amassedover 50 million views on social
media, nice, from all differentchannels of us posting content,
sharing experiences of like usliving the healthy lifestyle and
(04:35):
just going through our journey.
So that was a big part of likeus not just growing the business
and having opportunities andworking with brands like Walmart
and different hotels and Omniand different things in that
sense, but then it also openedus up to be able to like
collaborate with other smallbusinesses and support there as
well, Cause people are like howare you guys doing the
storytelling?
Speaker 5 (04:53):
How are you guys getting the cover of Scottsdale
magazine and all of this stuff.
We're having a hard time doingthat.
This will be a weird question,but if she's slacking, how do
you tell her she's slacking?
How?
Speaker 1 (05:03):
do you tell?
Speaker 2 (05:04):
her she's slacking Because I like that, she's like,
she's like that.
Never happens.
No, no, no, no.
We do, we do, no, we alwayshe's slacking.
That's usually BecauseAccountability yeah.
Speaker 5 (05:13):
Like my wife will be, like yeah, you're fat, you know
.
And like I'll get up and getget working out.
But like I'm, not fat, I justjiggle a little bit.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Right, no, but like, but.
So I think it is a.
There's the one, it's havingthe tough conversations.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Because we were just talking about this earlier.
We were, you know, like one ofthe things.
She would tell me that it waslike what's something that
annoyed me when we first gottogether but I appreciate now
was she used to tell me to slowdown when I was eating.
Yeah, why don't you tell me toslow down for?
Speaker 1 (05:43):
a minute.
Who do?
Speaker 2 (05:43):
you think you're talking to.
I'm a grown man.
I'm like I'm a grown man, I'mtelling the structure here and
I'm just like Food is gone.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
I'm like, hey, where's the refill?
She's like on the drink.
I'm like on dinner, I needanother plate.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
She's like.
Once this video is posted, I'mcue like the AI VO threes to
show you like major pain, likeeight rib eyes in less than 30
seconds, like woofing it down.
Imagine this guy.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
No, super, so like.
But the approach I had to onerealize like, okay, she hit a
nerve for me, but a part of it,like when I was, before I became
an all American linebacker, Istruggled with being overweight,
like as a kid.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
So, like.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
That was a nerve for me, of like.
Buddha Buddha poking me in thebelly and like you know things
like that, so you know.
So the word like fat would be atrigger, but to your point,
working together.
It's like how can you receivethe information and knowing each
other well enough to, and thenit can be phrased around like
how can I support you?
Yes, like hey, I'm getting someextra cardio in tomorrow.
(06:46):
Wink, wink, you want to join me?
yeah I'm not saying you need to,you need to hit the treadmill,
but like, if you want to walkwith me, we're both going to be
doing 60 minutes tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Yeah, just having that support is huge.
Like they eventually shot.
It is not edited or released,but like I want to do a whole
like anatomy and physiology,just like, so kids learn how
their body works.
Yes, just because I, I think aslong as they know and they have
it for free on youtube, yeah,then, like if they're getting
(07:18):
fed garbage, they'll at leastsay something oh, yeah, and then
it's almost like that, whetherit's your wife, husband, kid,
like having that community senseof like just being better for
yourself.
I think that again, like yousaid, the accountability, like
if you have a five-year-old kidtelling you you might not want
(07:40):
to eat that garbage, that's forsure, that kid's probably going
to get smacked, but there's achance, it's so true Like
eventually you do that enough,it's going to have a profound
change.
Yes, and just promote healthyliving.
And it's always better havingsomebody with you doing that.
Go ahead.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Well, it's interesting.
You say that because we do alot of work with at-risk youth
and we Well it's interesting yousay that because we do a lot of
work with at-risk youth and wedo a lot of speaking engagements
too, just talking to them abouthealth and wellness and we talk
to them about SWAN.
But it's interesting every timewe get to the end and we talk
about nutrition, we just askthem like, hey, what do you guys
think are nutritious items?
These kids are coming broccoli,cauliflower, they know.
(08:20):
They know and that's the thingis you'd be so surprised Kids
know.
And that's the thing is you'dbe so surprised kids know it's
just, unfortunately, becausetheir parents are the ones that
are not necessarily eatinghealthy or right?
You're buying the food.
You're the one that's cookingthe food.
It's like I don't really have asay, right?
Speaker 2 (08:33):
now I just pick the marshmallows out of my lucky
charms that's the best part Iused to sit at the table all
night just because I wouldn'tfinish my vegetables.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
I'm good, not interested, so you got you
Midwest.
You know you sit here at thetable until you finish your
plate right, like we're notwasting.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Dude, Michigan Hospital, 930.
They served whole, fried likechicken quarters.
We're not even talking aboutchicken wings Breaded whole
fried chicken quarters in thehospital for breakfast.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
He's in New Orleans.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
No, this is in michigan, michigan, michigan
this is the pontiac the pool.
So I played little leaguefootball basketball in pontiac
like I silver dome.
I remember playing the silverdome when it was still around.
Did I hate it?
Speaker 5 (09:16):
watching the silver dome when I was there, because
it was like weeds growing andit's like dilapidated yeah, I'm
like barry sanders freaking hadsome of the greatest years in I
used to see barry sanders allthe time, so fun fact we
mentioned patriots and jonas.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
They gave jonas the key to the city of pontiac.
Yeah, I believe.
And really there when he wasthere when, I believe, they
demolished, they also did thedemolishing of the yeah, so just
kind of crazy that is kind ofnuts and most people don't know
pontiac, like people, yeah, oh,detroit do they know?
Yeah, like yeah, you've been inmichigan, you've been around
michigan I lived.
I lived in troy oh yeah, exit69, big beaver road come on
(09:55):
route 75 come on behind somersetmall portions are husky out
there too.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Yeah, oh yeah, oh, my god, the fun, so I'd spent time
also in like lou Louisiana too.
So it's like in hindsight I'mlike I don't know if it was
because it was that many yearsprior to it, but like I don't
know if it was unhealthier.
But, like New Orleans, Icouldn't get weight off because,
like dude, find a salad in NewOrleans.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Beignets, yeah, oh yeah, your dog's out.
I mean, if you think about it,though, beignets are like oh,
you want beignets with yourbreakfast Dude.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
The healthiest thing is gumbo and jambalaya.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
I'll take another piece, another scoop.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
It's like why am I not going to?
You know what?
I'm only going to be in NewOrleans for like three more
years, two more years.
One day I was just like okay, Iwas upset with myself because I
was like rushing down thehospital corridor to get to like
a trauma and I felt myselfjiggle and I'm like, oh, that's
gross.
And like when you feel parts ofyour body hitting other parts
(10:53):
of the body, out of just yourmind, you're like what is going
on.
And I was at like 210 and I'mlike you know what?
I'm gonna to 190.
I said it to some of the nursesthat were working in the ICU
that day and then I run intothem like two months later
they're like oh, how's thatgoing?
I'm like I'm up to 220.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
I just had gumbo and BA's for lunch.
I was up to 220.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
I was like, oh, that's not good Like I'm bulking
right now.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
I oh, that's not good Like I'm bulking right now, I'm
going to do the cut.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Yeah, bulking face, I'm just hoping for no more
trauma calls.
If I don't walk fast enough, Idon't jiggle, I don't jiggle.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
It's like let me slow down.
Or you throw the tank top onunderneath the uniform.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
The trauma calls were like it's the worst, because
you're there overnight for somany hours.
You're like, oh, I can eat icecream and you just pile it on.
You eat like crap and you'relimited.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
I would still do it right now, like when I eat, like
you're saying, like she wastelling you to slow down.
When I eat.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
I eat as fast as possible.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
You have to, though I feel like there was one time I
was in the ER trauma for surgeryand I hate laughing about this
story because there's a deathinvolved but the way it played
out at seven o'clock in Bostonthey would have a residence
(12:14):
dinner at the cafeteria, sopretty much serving us all the
leftovers.
And I make a bet.
I'm like I'm pretty sure I caneat a whole pizza.
I can eat a whole pizza in lessthan 30 minutes and so I take
(12:35):
that bet.
We're placing bets.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Is it a large?
Yeah, it's a belly bomb.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
It's legit this big, but I was like somewhere between
three to five slices in and Iwas on the ER.
My senior resident was in theER.
No, I was going strong, but Ijust had like three to five
slices in and they're just liketrauma bae, whatever.
So us two go run there and Ihave to just pump the lady's
(13:07):
chest, Draw a code.
And he runs the code like okay,somebody grab this medicine,
whatever.
And there's only like three ofus there.
It's this lady and two of herfamily members.
She had dissected aorticaneurysm, so like your main
artery that comes out of yourheart, like it can balloon up in
(13:27):
some people, um, and it canexplode.
So then it's just like yourheart is just pumping blood in
your belly.
So I was just like this isdefinitely what this lady has,
and usually you run codes forlike a while before you call it.
How am I just pumping thislady's chest and cpr at that
(13:49):
time is like two minutes beforeyou turn over.
I'm just looking at him.
I'm like yo man.
I was like call the code.
He's like it's only 30 seconds.
What do you mean?
Call the code?
Speaker 4 (13:59):
I'm like are you gonna throw a?
Speaker 2 (14:01):
fucking, fucking cold code.
He's like no, we gotta run itfor a while, there's gonna be
backup coming.
Just just keep going.
And backup didn't get there.
Like we, we did like run thecode as long as we could, but
like she just had no like vitalsigns and afterwards he was
(14:22):
really supportive, like he'salways looked out for me uh,
more than like anybody actuallyduring that residency period,
but like he was just like what's, what's wrong with you?
Why?
Why'd you keep saying like callthe code?
Just like you, you were therefor like 15 seconds and you like
call the code, like pronouncethis person dead, and I was like
(14:44):
dude, I was like this lady'sgonna die.
Like she was pretty much deadwhen she got to the table.
I was like the last and I waslike, and you saw how much pizza
and how fast I was trying toeat.
I was like the last thing.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Her family members because, they were sitting in
the room.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
They're gonna see her dead and me puking pepperoni
slices oh boy, just projectilevomiting on her like her
arteries spewing the blood intoher abdomen.
That's the main reason.
And he was like, okay, thefunny part is there was another
time, a couple months later, wewere both the first to respond
(15:21):
to a call and it was the samething and one of the bigger
girls that was a resident theregot there before me.
So I was relieving her for thechest compression and I'm
looking at him and I'm like yougot to call the code.
She's like not again.
And he's like why?
Now he's like I'm like there'sno way I'm gonna look that good
(15:46):
pumping my chest she's going totown like I don't have that much
energy, man.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
Oh my gosh, wow, that one was joking, but the first
one I was just like.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
I honestly like the chances we save this lady is
next to zero and I don't want tocover with vomit.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
But no, but people don't always talk about that man
.
It's, like you know, sometimeslife and death, or you're
dealing with the transitions,right, it's like just another
day at work.
It's like, yeah, today was justTuesday and like people don't
realize that that's like, that'sreal.
You know what I mean.
It's like you know you got totake it home with you.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
You got it home with you.
You gotta take it back to lunchthat is true, that is true.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Pizza, maybe seven o'clock dinner, seven o'clock
dinner.
I stopped, I stopped poundingpizza slices that day, right
while I'm on call right, let meclarify while I'm on call and I
stopped being the first personto respond to.
There we go.
I'll relieve somebody.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
Those codes are the worst.
If you get there first and noone shows up, you're just
pumping that chest, and whoknows how long, because you're
supposed to rotate.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
But if you're a little bit later than that, then
the whole room has like 30people in it.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
It's not just like the little thing You're going at
it, you're trying to at it,yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
It's because you're trying to pretty much compress
somebody's sternum down to theirdown to their vertebrae.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
So so I will say this just a little fun fact Deanna's
actually saved a life or two.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
Okay, no, no, no, no, Go ahead, no, no, no.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Go ahead.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
I think you're being modest, you're being modest.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
No, she was in her first job.
She was a lifeguard.
Yes, one of her first jobs.
Oh then you definitely saved alife, I mean, but I'm not saving
a life like you guys.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
I'm just saying Dude, a lifeguard saved my life and
I'm sure they thought it wasnothing.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
They just grabbed me shirt but I almost drowned in
like two feet of water.
Come on, I tell her I was like.
You know it was early on.
I was like, but you got to giveyourself some.
You know it's two or three live.
You know you're like.
No, we had it at the cpr.
Speaker 5 (17:47):
You're out there everybody thinks they can do it
until they get into the deep endyeah, yeah, yeah no, let's
guard save lives
Speaker 2 (17:58):
yeah yeah yeah, yeah I I went out surfing.
It wasn't huge waves, it wasRhode Island, and it was my
first time and I fell off and Ifelt like, oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
I could not get up.
I could not get up.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
And then, eventually, I managed to feel the ground
under me and I stood up.
I swear the water was this deep.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
It happened.
It happened.
How did I just?
Speaker 3 (18:27):
tumble like 25 times.
Who was holding me underneaththe water just now?
Speaker 2 (18:32):
I'm like this is not even as deep as my bathtub and
this guy's holding the surfboard.
It's like your first time.
I'm like yeah, thank you, Gofuck yourself.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
First arm.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
I'm in here, yeah oh man, lifeguards save lives
incredible, incredible tell usmore.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
I knew you mentioned on like on the marketing side,
what are some of the big thingsthat you all are working on
right now business wise and justgrowth wise, we're pretty much
trying to strike from everyangle.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
That's why we're here doing a podcast.
It's not like we like you guysor anything no, now you do
exactly.
We got a patriot go pat 10seconds in and like, yeah, these
are my type of people.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
No, the podcast thing was like we're like, oh, we can
get away from home and justhave fun talking other than
being working you know working.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Oh, this guy doesn't talk, yeah, unless there's a
camera.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
Oh really oh in person sometimes you know
christian christian.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
What's that christian from the show?
Speaker 5 (19:39):
well, my wife says I'm on the spectrum and I
probably do have one.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
No, he's not just on the spectrum, he's at a far end
of the spectrum.
Okay.
Okay, so I don't know, I'venever been diagnosed with it,
but sort of you never sought outa diagnosis either.
Speaker 5 (19:54):
No, and one of the main reasons.
Brothers, one of the things Italk about a lot is the health
and wellness and, like I know,we do surgeries.
But, like you know, we weredoing surgeries and these
patients were just like massiveand like high bmis and I was
like just not happy with theaesthetic result, because I was
(20:16):
like how can we get these?
People to lose some weight, andyou know, you know that's the
optimum outcomes.
And I started, you know, to getinto peptides and everything
myself and like I lost 60 pounds.
So I was like all right let mebring this into the practice,
and we brought that in Greatidea, Like have been adding
different things to get ourpatients healthy, rather than
(20:39):
you know.
Some patients come in theydon't know, they think you can
just liposuction their weightoff and you know, like for
someone that's already done alot of ready.
Give me magic overnight, yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
And it's really a butt lift while you're at it.
Speaker 5 (20:53):
Yeah, so for a lot of patients that have already done
the hard work yet you can doliposuction and get them better
figure.
But for patients that thinkthey're going to take weight off
with surgery, it's not going tohappen unless it's weight loss
surgery and that's not plasticsurgery.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
It's not right.
That's not like.
Everybody knows like.
Is that different?
That's different yeah, yeah,like tummy tucks.
You're not going to lose asignificant amount of weight
from a tummy tuck yeah, ohreally, or how much do?
You, how much do you lose?
Speaker 3 (21:20):
like five pounds is a really so so the thing is I
actually no, I'm sorry I wouldthink a tummy tuck, even if, you
see, I would think a tummy tuck, you're dropping like a 20
piece.
No, no like 20 is.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
20 is the high end, so so I like I was actually
getting it.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
So it matters where your patient is and, like you
got to educate them into, youknow they got to make lifestyle
changes before they have thesurgery and I was actually like
starting to do a study, becauseyou, unless they're willing to
pay five times the amount cash.
Oh you, I can consider it, youdo tighten the abdomen up which
(21:57):
makes it like at the beginningit makes it harder to eat, but
like if you're, you're notliving the healthy lifestyle.
That stomach's going to expand.
You know we remove some fat butit's usually on average maybe
three to five pounds, but peopledon't even keep that off If
you're continuing with badhabits.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Because even in three to five pounds I'm just
thinking about me Like I couldput that down in one pizza
content.
Yeah, yeah, exactly On call, Ican do that on call.
I can do that on call.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
But the thing is, even with gastric bypass, where
they flip a part of yourintestines around to slow it
down or gastric sleeve.
Those are the two most commontypes of bariatric surgery that
people do.
The sleeve like like, let's say, your stomach's shaped like
this and your esophagus comeshere and the intestine comes out
(22:49):
there.
They pretty much staple this.
So your stomach's that big, soyou eat a little bit.
It feels full already and itsends the signals to your brain.
Uh, so those are the two mostcommon types and there's at
least a 33 failure rate, likethat's wait a minute, yeah oh
(23:09):
yeah, that's like a third yeahand that's why you gotta get
like even the bariatric surgeons.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
They gotta have patients that comply and lose
some weight on their own.
Can I just?
Can I just tell you, I knew it,I knew you're right.
Can I just tell you guyssomething?
Speaker 4 (23:21):
because I really it.
I knew you were going to tellme, can I?
Speaker 3 (23:22):
just tell you guys something Because I really like
to eat, like you know, like Ican be a big boy If I didn't
really watch it.
So sometimes I'll watch my600-pound life just to let
myself know, like this is what Ican do.
You need to have someguardrails.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Like put the trail mix down or widen the doorway.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
You don't want people who cut out holes in your wall
to get you out.
You don't want to do that.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
So when I see the 600-pound life, just to your
point, like you see him talkabout.
Like hey, I can't even operateon you, right?
Now because you've got to lose50 or 100 pounds.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
No, no, no, 100, yeah 200 before we can even operate.
Speaker 5 (24:05):
Yeah, yeah, got to lose 50 or 100 pounds, 200
before we can even operate.
Yeah, yeah, it's.
Their mindsets got to changeand a lot of these people I
exactly, you know, I was workingwith some of the bariatric
surgeons and did a lot of it.
The patients that do well arethe ones that begin losing the
weight and then have bariatricsurgery continue to lose the
weight and they get to a low bmiwhere the the skin's really
hindering them right, yes, yes,yes gaining their confidence.
(24:26):
So they could rebound and gobackwards.
But the patients that likethey're like they just get the
surgery done don't change theirlife.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
They have addictive personalities yeah, they're
going over addiction yeah, it'sall you can eat because you show
the surgery, who's boss?
But they literally show.
They like oh, you think you canlike shrink my stomach down,
I'll show you.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
Yeah, interesting because they think this
operation is going to help andlike that's true, and we'll like
remove skin on them and then,like they get hooked on pain
meds and yes we, we see it like.
I'm like all right, it makessense and you got to really be
careful with like pain meds andstuff with these patients
because they end up gettingaddicted to opioids and stuff so
(25:10):
like it's just the mindset yougot to.
You got to be able to changethat and if they don't have it
appropriate, you see them notlosing a lot of weight so it's a
lifestyle change yes, what doyou?
Speaker 3 (25:21):
guys think GLP-1s.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
I was just about to ask yeah, yeah, what's your take
on GLP-1s?
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Ozempic the different GLP-1s.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
They're great.
They're a great starter packfor some people, they're great
maintenance for some people.
So it varies.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
Do you think it's long-term?
I love it and I think it'slong-term and it's good for you
overall health-wise.
Speaker 5 (25:44):
There's so many health benefits and I use them,
and I use it to lose weightalong with peptides.
But the thing I do is I dose it.
I don't take it like onschedule anymore after I've lost
my weight and like I microdoseit.
I'll move up in dosage if I goon beach vacation.
I'm like I got to drop somepounds.
(26:04):
I'll up the dose for a littlebit and then go back down gotta
get my sexy back super dose.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
So out of curiosity, um no, because I really
appreciate you all sharing that,because you know, being in
fitness and wellness, it's beenlike a complete takeover, right?
Yeah, and I know it wassupposed to serve a purpose and
a role for, obviously, diabeticpatients and different things
like that, and then it was likeit's like anything else people
say it works.
It's like what?
Speaker 2 (26:27):
yeah honestly, oh yeah there's a lot of distrust
with physicians nowadays.
Since covid and stuff, yes, andI, like I did you did a lot of
medical research.
I did a ton of years ofresearch, so I'm I'm very like
stringent on, like what's putout and like trying to poke
(26:48):
holes in articles and stuff.
And I I will tell you that themain thing with any type of
medication, anything you'regoing to take, is risks versus
benefit, so side effects versushow it's going to work for you.
And this like not medicaladvice, but as a physician, I'll
(27:10):
tell you like for a majority ofpeople, the side effects is
like very minimum compared tolike even most drugs.
So, like a lot of these GLP-1s,you got to inject too.
So then to think like, oh, it'san injectable rather than oral
right and it has less sideeffects, then I I'm gonna say,
(27:31):
in my hands it has way less sideeffects compared to other
medications that like just theysay they hit this trigger and
cause that kind of response.
But it's just, it's definitelya game changer.
Not everybody can tolerate it,but, like, the side effects
people say is like nausea,vomiting.
(27:53):
It's like, yeah, you're tryingto eat when your body's telling
you not to eat Gastric reflux,which is heartburn.
You're going to get that justbecause your stomach's not
emptying out as fast.
So if you have gastric refluxissues beforehand, you should
probably want to control thatSlowly dose it yeah.
(28:14):
And work it out and they'rebringing new formulations with
different receptors to decreasethe GI symptoms.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
And one of the things that I've heard, too, is that
it's really important tocontinue to train and work out
while you're on GLP-1s, becauseI think, for the people that
think it's just going to be amagic potion, magic drug inject
it keep eating how I'm eating,or maybe eating less of what the
same foods I'm eating, butdoesn't it also attack some of
the muscle?
Speaker 2 (28:39):
You can waste away.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
That's what I was going to say.
Attack some of the muscle youcan waste away.
That's what I was going to say.
Right, because you're going to,it's going to also less, it's
going to also you're consumingless, it's going to also attack
some of the muscle, right, yeah,it's going to start feeding off
.
Speaker 5 (28:48):
It's going to feed off the muscle, so it doesn't
you get, you got to havephysicians that like do
functional medicine or are inthe space and know how to
control that stuff and like, forus we we put our patients on
the scale that tells us ifthey're losing muscle mass.
You know like you're gonna losemuscle mass.
If you're losing weight, you'reeating less caloric restriction
(29:09):
.
So we discuss, like highprotein diets and, like I was
saying before, like resistancebands.
Resistance bands like youmaintain more muscle and your
bone health with resistancebands over weight training.
So I discussed that I'm like goand get good resistance bands,
you don't need to do a hell of alot.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
I use X3.
Speaker 5 (29:30):
There's Harambe system, there's multiple
different systems that you'relike 15, 20 minutes in the
morning, good day.
And I actually put on musclewhile I was on GLP-1s and that
was because while I was onGLP-1s, and that was because one
thing was I was taking likegrowth hormone receptor peptides
, but also the resistance bands.
Once I added that in, Idefinitely saw much bigger
(29:51):
growth in my muscle gains.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
That's got to be a game changer on the marketing
side for you guys, because youactually tried the different
things that you all offer.
How?
Speaker 5 (29:59):
do you do this?
Yeah, how do you share?
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Is that something that you share?
How does that you all offer?
How?
Speaker 3 (30:01):
do you?
How do you share?
Yeah, how do you share?
Is that something that youshare?
How does that?
Speaker 2 (30:03):
come in.
Yeah, so I share all hisstories because I'm like I know
like dude, the GLP ones you'resupposed to titrate up and he
did.
He.
He took like a big dose thefirst time he took it.
He came into the operating roomand he was just like I think I
gotta go to the bathroom throwup.
Speaker 5 (30:20):
Yeah, I had weight issues because, like being being
like college athlete and justbeing in your younger days.
You just like your metabolismjust shuts down.
You can't like.
All of a sudden your hormonesare out of balance and you just
can't lose weight.
But I've tried everything I'vebeen on all the diet pills and,
(30:40):
like you've done, differentdiets too.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
It's not just like looking for like a magic formula
he's done things that work forhim but his weight like over the
years, until like three, fouryears.
What's it four years ago?
now like it was alwaysfluctuating.
There's just times just like,holy crap, like he's really
chubby.
It's not like actually thinkingof him that way, but like
(31:04):
looking at the pictures, like,yeah, wow, sure, his face is
really round, yeah, right.
And then, but like over liketwo years spans like being damn,
he's in really good shape,right.
And then like, and to see himswing back to like the bad side,
like after he's like successful, knows about everything being
(31:26):
like, but he's just not able tokeep the weight off.
So that was the eye-opener oncethat transition went from being
overweight to like just likehe's on, he's on fire right now,
not just weight wise, but likeworking with them every day,
like showing up to the operatingroom together just mindset's a
lot different.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
Yeah, it works a lot better.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
You're just sharp absolutely yeah, and that
discipline, I'm sure yeah, and Iuse different things to like.
Speaker 5 (31:53):
Like once I got my weight down it was like how can
I improve my brain function tomaximize that and like be able
to, and the ideas and everythingjust come a lot easier that's
when you start wasting a lot ofmoney on things.
Yeah and even operating likeyou have to optimize eyes, yeah,
level 2.0, 3.0, 4.0, 5.0.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Let's go windows 98?
Speaker 5 (32:18):
yes, windows 98 yes yeah, so I, I just like.
I was like oh, glp1s, I don'tneed to titrate, I just took the
highest dose.
Um, yeah, I was projectilevomiting that day oh my gosh
like my wife asked me to go anddo something outside.
I bent over and I was well,this was after like.
I walked into this case.
(32:38):
I finished doing my side andthen ran to the bathroom.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
I'm like I got to step out.
I don't feel good.
I got to go to the bathroom.
Speaker 5 (32:44):
I went, I projectile vomited.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
You were like did you have pizza?
Were you in a pizza competition?
Yeah right.
Speaker 5 (32:48):
Well, I thought it was the tuna sandwich.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
How many slices?
Five slices, three slices howmany?
Speaker 2 (32:54):
slices?
I didn't even think.
And in how much time?
Speaker 5 (32:56):
In how much time I didn't think it was a medication
because I was like was itBecause I think I had like some
tuna salad or something?
Speaker 3 (33:01):
He's like what did I eat?
Was it the funny tuna?
I was like the funny tuna, thefunny tuna.
Yeah, I thought it was out alittle long.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
He looked green.
He came in and looked like yourdress.
I was just like something's notright.
Speaker 5 (33:18):
Then I started from the ground back up.
I was like all right, I got totighten up.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Honestly, when you're in the zone in the OR, you
don't even notice Until hementioned it.
He's like I don't feel good.
I'm like you don't look good.
I never hear that from him.
I'm'm like look at him.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
Yeah, you don't look good.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
That's crazy.
Yeah, no, but thanks forsharing though.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
That's always just good to be able to hear,
especially from firsthandexperience and also having the
medical knowledge and experienceBecause I think so often you
have.
You know we're in a creatorgeneration, a creator era right
now between YouTube, socials andeverybody's sharing their POV,
whether that's you know you'redoing it from a brand side,
you're promoting the product oryou're just like going through
it on your journey, but theydon't necessarily have the
medical experience.
(34:06):
And they're advising people andthey're saying you know, you
got to do the carnivore diet,liver king.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
And it's like this dude's not all natural.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
He's telling you you got to eat a you know, grab it
out of the fridge and just takea bite out of it the thing is
like if you spend, like twelvethousand dollars a month on gh.
Speaker 5 (34:24):
I heard it was like he was spending 70k a month on
hormones and stuff.
Yeah, I don't know how you canspend that much, like you can
get a lot of good stuff for wayless than that costs a lot of
money, okay, so give us, yeah,give us.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
I don't know a ton about that, but I know.
Like you know, I'm in additionto what we do with Company Fit,
I'm also the VP of Partnershipsat ISSA, international Sports
Sciences Association but a lotof our foundation was early on
bodybuilding over seven years,right, certifications, personal
training, we go to the Olympiashows and some of the things,
and so sometimes you're looking,you're like that's like you got
to have a full time job toafford the enhancements that
(35:00):
some of the people are doingRight To be able to, like,
physically, have caps, you know,on the shoulders.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Yeah, the thing is with like hormone replacements,
like especially with likebodybuilding uh, two most
important ones, or mostprevalent ones testosterone and
growth hormone.
There's even some physiciansthat are saying like this like
supernatural amount oftestosterone is good for you
that's what Krista was tellingus but, like you, you want to
(35:30):
stay on like the higher end ofnormal for testosterone and
growth hormone.
The growth hormone releasingpeptides tend to do way better
than just injecting yourselfwith growth hormone.
Well, it's not do better.
Speaker 5 (35:44):
It matters what you're looking for.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
That is true.
Speaker 5 (35:47):
Growth hormone is going to give you the best
results with lean muscle massgrowth, where you're not going
to get as much with the growthhormone releasing peptides and
stuff.
But the problem with growthhormone is you're increasing.
Your growth hormone is going todecrease years in your life so
can you repeat?
that, yeah, it's going todecrease years in your life.
(36:09):
So, growth hormone, unlessyou're like doing low, very low
doses, you're, otherwise you'respeeding up the way you're
you're going through life andthat's why you see, like the
heart attacks and all all these,like 45, 50s, like heart
exploding, yeah, yeah like thewcw wrestlers every wrestler,
(36:31):
yeah, and like we were talkingabout, like when macho man
passed away years ago I was.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
I read the article.
It was like macho man died ofcar accident.
I was like, finally, like notthat I wished it upon him, but
it's like, finally, a wrestlerthat didn't die of a heart
attack, it's a car accident.
It's like, oh, he got into thecar accident because he had a
heart attack behind the wheelgotcha yeah like even growth
hormone.
Speaker 5 (36:56):
I did growth hormone.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
He's tried all of it.
Speaker 5 (37:00):
Even the I felt my wrists growing my hips.
I would get hip pain, jointpains, Carpal tunnel.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Carpal tunnel.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
Cervical Trigger fingers.
Cervical spinal issues.
Wow, so there's side effectslike this, and then how much do
these things cost?
Whether so there's side effectslike this, and then how?
Speaker 2 (37:17):
much do these things cost?
Whether someone's like.
I don't know if this is paperinsurance, it varies because you
can get it from somebody in thegym.
Speaker 5 (37:21):
You could get it from Canada, Turkey, India Find it
online, because I do know somepeople that were telling me yeah
, I'll be finding stuff onReddit People find it online.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
It's a risky business , I'm sure A lot of the stuff
for the peptides.
Speaker 5 (37:34):
a lot of it comes from China, Whether you get it
in the US or anything fromcompound pharmacies.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Well, that's medication period.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Yeah, that's why Trump's setting the tariffs.
Speaker 5 (37:45):
They're making it in China and then they're sending
it over here and the compoundpharmacies do purity testings
and stuff and the black market'sbecome pretty big where you
could even pick up some of theglp ones and stuff.
But like when some people saythey're not losing weight or you
know some of the muscle wastingand stuff, they're not taking
(38:06):
it from a doctor, they're justtaking it from someone.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
So they're going, but like you'll still get.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
But you'll still get muscle wasting with doctor
prescribed stuff, but it's justhigher when you're doing yes,
quality, yeah, yeah that makessense, yeah, pretty much have to
look at percentage, likepercentage body fat, like yeah,
okay, I lost like, let's say,like three pounds of muscle, but
I lost six pounds of fat.
That's muscle worth losing forjust to get more lean.
(38:35):
But it also matters what yourgoals are.
So, like, if you want to put onmore muscle but like trim down
a little, like, you need alittle bit of both, like with
the glp ones mixed with, likegrowth hormone, releasing
peptides and I, I ask you likehow you would tell your wife and
like for my wife, wife, she'slike she's type A personality,
(38:58):
she does her own thing.
Speaker 5 (38:59):
So, like I did everything and I, you know, like
after we had our first son,like I was like I can't be this
way, like to be able to playwith them and everything I got
to lose weight.
So I'm more active.
So like I got on this wholething of being healthier and
getting better and I lost theweight before we had our second
(39:21):
son.
And then, once we had oursecond son, she's like what were
you on?
She got on glp-1 shortly tolose the weight.
Um, after she was donebreastfeeding, she got in shape
and then now she's, like youknow, trying the other peptides
because that worked so well for,you know, like trouble sleeping
.
There's stuff for that.
You know there's other thingsto just overall we're trying for
(39:45):
a third.
So if she's trying to like helpher system get, better she can.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
Yeah, Come on Breaking breaking news, yeah.
Speaker 5 (39:52):
That's how it goes.
No, we've said it multipletimes we have.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
But it, yeah, that's how it goes.
No, we've said it multipletimes, we have, but it's like
until it happens.
That's exciting, we don't havekids yet, but yeah, that's
exciting though, yeah big time.
Speaker 5 (40:01):
Yeah, it was always about like scheduling it where.
Yeah, because I've been withnever schedule, if you guys are
scheduling having a kid, don'tjust have a kid, yeah I know
scheduling for sure.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
For me it was like don'tschedule, it's having a kid dude
.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
You're never going to be ready, you're never going to
be set, you're never going tobe, prepared.
And even if you are and you'rehyper like, focused on that.
It doesn't matter.
Speaker 5 (40:34):
If you want a kid, you just go do it, it, it took
me a while and you know I andyou get by like you got to see,
like what our parents got bywith.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
You're like whoa, they had way less resources,
they were way less prepared thanus.
You think they had everythingfigured out.
But then you look back likeyeah oh but it's different for
every like.
Speaker 5 (40:55):
I like, I really like .
I can't remember exactly when Ieven thought about having a kid
.
It was like it wasn't till,like I was like 36, 37, um till
I even thought about it, I waslike out of that school and like
getting married.
You know, I was like I gottahave enough money even having a
kid.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
I'm like I gotta accomplish these things before
having a kid.
Speaker 5 (41:19):
But then, like you know me and my wife like you
know, you protect yourself allthis protected time, like, oh, I
want to go travel for a fewyears, but then it's, like you
know, like when you try to havea kid and you can't have it and
we have to go through ivf andstuff that's the biggest thing,
thing.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
That's where.
Speaker 5 (41:36):
I'm like you know, if you really want to have a kid,
like, don't put it off, but ifyou're like questionable about
it, yeah, take your time, chrisRock did say is, once you have a
kid like, fuck you, fuck youraspirations.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
Oh, you want to travel.
Go fuck yourself.
It's not about you anymore.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
So that's the one thing to like.
Weigh in.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
But it is like, for me it's the greatest thing in
the world being a dad.
Like I don't just say it tolike look like that guy.
It's like we absolutely lovethe time we spend together and
want to just like hold on tothat as much as possible, Cause
in like five years she's goingto be in college.
(42:23):
It's like crazy, um, and then,like we waited to have a second
one, then we had some hard times, so it's, it's like that.
That's why it's like, oh, youcan put it off, put it off.
But like eh, put it off, put itoff.
But like something aboutevolution telling me to have as
many kids as possible.
Now, just treat it like pizzaslices.
Speaker 3 (42:43):
Oh boy, finish the pie in under 30.
Just go until you're going topuke.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
There we go.
Speaker 3 (42:50):
There we go.
Well, I feel like we'll have tocircle back, man, and either
come back on or have you guyswant to chat more about that?
Speaker 2 (42:56):
Yeah, sure, definitely so awesome.
Yeah, like we'll have to circleback, man and uh, either come
back on or you guys want to chatmore about.
Yeah, sure, definitely soawesome.
Yeah, it's been an awesome timehaving you guys.
Speaker 5 (43:00):
Thank you for having us man.
Thank you guys so much.
Yeah, thank you, thank you.
Today's guests are Kurt and Deanna Mangum II, the
husband and wife team behindCupply Fit.
Based in Phoenix, they're on amission to create generational
health by helping couples thrivementally, emotionally,
physically and spiritually.
Kurt is head of businessdevelopment at the ISA, Deanna
(00:21):
is a full-time nutrition andwellness consultant and together
they've built the SWAN approachsleep, water, activity,
nutrition proving that truetransformation is a whole person
journey.
Please welcome Kurt and DeannaMangum II.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
So what are you guys doing?
Active in?
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Health and wellness.
Yeah, Obviously, it'sdefinitely a big one.
So, you know, right after wegot married in 2016, we
co-founded together Coupley Fit,which is a health wellness
lifestyle.
We have a couple of differentelements of what we do from the
business side, but it's allabout generational health, yeah,
and we created an ethos calledSWAN Sleep, Water, Activity,
Nutrition which is our frameworkaround making one SWAN change
(01:07):
and it's all about thegenerational for couples in
particular.
So that's just a little bit.
Yeah, no, I mean, you hit it onthe head.
Who brought up the idea first?
Interesting enough, it wasn'tCupply Fit, it was going to be
like Pretty Fit and it was goingto be her business.
Yes, I was going to be focusingon women.
She's going to be focused onwomen.
Now, as I say that, it soundslike I kind of like took over
(01:28):
the plan.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
No, but it wasn't like that.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
It was super authentic it was.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
It was very organic the way that it happened, also
because when Kurt was playingfootball I was meal prepping for
him.
I was, you know, weighing outhis food and making sure that
he's getting all of his proteincarbohydrates to stay fueled.
But then we're working outtogether and so we were
documenting, kind of our journeyon social media and then people
just started reaching out likehey, are you guys going to be
(01:52):
doing any boot camps or mealplans or any of these?
Speaker 3 (01:55):
And we were like no, we have no plans to do that.
No, we're working out.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
We're just working out.
So Kurt's family.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
You're just shit posting over here.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Yeah, that's it.
So Kurt's family.
They have a cafe in Phoenix SkyHarbor, so it's the Refuge now,
but at the time it was PressCoffee, food and Wine, and so he
was working in his familybusiness while he's waiting for
some calls to come through forfootball.
(02:22):
And then employees startedreaching out like can you, maybe
, you maybe like create me ameal plan or something.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Yeah, and we were like sure.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
So, you know that Starbucks that's in the baggage
claim.
Yeah, that's literally where wehad our first client.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Oh wow, first consultation ever, first
consultation and our firstclient.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
She lost 80 pounds in one year, and so what we
noticed, though, is that she hadthis amazing transformation,
but then she had two sons, andthen her sons were seeing the
transformation that she washaving, and they were holding
her accountable.
Hey mom, we're supposed to behiking Camelback.
Hey mom, we're supposed to begoing to the park.
Hey mom, what's avocado Like?
I see you eating that.
I want to try it.
(02:54):
So then we started saying oh,this is bigger than what we
originally anticipated, whichwas just to help people lose
weight.
And it ended up being agenerational thing where we said
, wow, if we can impact couplesor parents, we're going to see
that this trickles down to thekids.
And now we say, rather thanpassing down the material items,
let's pass down those healthyhabits, right?
Like let's generational health,because people always think of
(03:16):
generational wealth but, I,can't spend my wealth if I don't
have my health.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
So yeah, and and to that, and to that exact point.
It was kind of crazy just howfull circle things started to
become, because at the timeagain, it wasn't like launch
this business, it was just likewe're helping.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
It was organic.
It was organic.
How do we?
Speaker 3 (03:32):
help.
And one thing that we knew froma I was doing marketing for the
business at the time All of thesocial media.
We're getting some awards bythe airport.
We used to have all of the Imean you name it.
When it comes to celebrities,you have to come through from
Michael Phelps to Sage Steelebecause, again, it's airport
right.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Yeah, you know, you're kind of not trapped and
there's a lot of people in thisarea too, I mean.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Phoenix is the number five, you know largest city and
one of the busiest airports.
So you're talking aboutthousands of people a day that
you would see, and so not onlydo we had the injury, but social
media and we're posting and youknow people are getting excited
about this, and so when welaunched our business, we were
constantly creating content.
So from drone footage to likewe're out at a bootcamp at the
park and it's free at KiwanisPark and to be, but we got a
(04:13):
drone out there and likeballoons and it's, it's, it's an
activate views, it was adifferent view and an activation
, and so that was one of thereally unique competitive
advantages because over theyears, yes, we had the health
and wellness, but we amassedover 50 million views on social
media, nice, from all differentchannels of us posting content,
sharing experiences of like usliving the healthy lifestyle and
(04:35):
just going through our journey.
So that was a big part of likeus not just growing the business
and having opportunities andworking with brands like Walmart
and different hotels and Omniand different things in that
sense, but then it also openedus up to be able to like
collaborate with other smallbusinesses and support there as
well, Cause people are like howare you guys doing the
storytelling?
Speaker 5 (04:53):
How are you guys getting the cover of Scottsdale
magazine and all of this stuff.
We're having a hard time doingthat.
This will be a weird question,but if she's slacking, how do
you tell her she's slacking?
How?
Speaker 1 (05:03):
do you tell?
Speaker 2 (05:04):
her she's slacking Because I like that, she's like,
she's like that.
Never happens.
No, no, no, no.
We do, we do, no, we alwayshe's slacking.
That's usually BecauseAccountability yeah.
Speaker 5 (05:13):
Like my wife will be, like yeah, you're fat, you know
.
And like I'll get up and getget working out.
But like I'm, not fat, I justjiggle a little bit.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Right, no, but like, but.
So I think it is a.
There's the one, it's havingthe tough conversations.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Because we were just talking about this earlier.
We were, you know, like one ofthe things.
She would tell me that it waslike what's something that
annoyed me when we first gottogether but I appreciate now
was she used to tell me to slowdown when I was eating.
Yeah, why don't you tell me toslow down for?
Speaker 1 (05:43):
a minute.
Who do?
Speaker 2 (05:43):
you think you're talking to.
I'm a grown man.
I'm like I'm a grown man, I'mtelling the structure here and
I'm just like Food is gone.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
I'm like, hey, where's the refill?
She's like on the drink.
I'm like on dinner, I needanother plate.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
She's like.
Once this video is posted, I'mcue like the AI VO threes to
show you like major pain, likeeight rib eyes in less than 30
seconds, like woofing it down.
Imagine this guy.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
No, super, so like.
But the approach I had to onerealize like, okay, she hit a
nerve for me, but a part of it,like when I was, before I became
an all American linebacker, Istruggled with being overweight,
like as a kid.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
So, like.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
That was a nerve for me, of like.
Buddha Buddha poking me in thebelly and like you know things
like that, so you know.
So the word like fat would be atrigger, but to your point,
working together.
It's like how can you receivethe information and knowing each
other well enough to, and thenit can be phrased around like
how can I support you?
Yes, like hey, I'm getting someextra cardio in tomorrow.
(06:46):
Wink, wink, you want to join me?
yeah I'm not saying you need to,you need to hit the treadmill,
but like, if you want to walkwith me, we're both going to be
doing 60 minutes tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Yeah, just having that support is huge.
Like they eventually shot.
It is not edited or released,but like I want to do a whole
like anatomy and physiology,just like, so kids learn how
their body works.
Yes, just because I, I think aslong as they know and they have
it for free on youtube, yeah,then, like if they're getting
(07:18):
fed garbage, they'll at leastsay something oh, yeah, and then
it's almost like that, whetherit's your wife, husband, kid,
like having that community senseof like just being better for
yourself.
I think that again, like yousaid, the accountability, like
if you have a five-year-old kidtelling you you might not want
(07:40):
to eat that garbage, that's forsure, that kid's probably going
to get smacked, but there's achance, it's so true Like
eventually you do that enough,it's going to have a profound
change.
Yes, and just promote healthyliving.
And it's always better havingsomebody with you doing that.
Go ahead.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Well, it's interesting.
You say that because we do alot of work with at-risk youth
and we Well it's interesting yousay that because we do a lot of
work with at-risk youth and wedo a lot of speaking engagements
too, just talking to them abouthealth and wellness and we talk
to them about SWAN.
But it's interesting every timewe get to the end and we talk
about nutrition, we just askthem like, hey, what do you guys
think are nutritious items?
These kids are coming broccoli,cauliflower, they know.
(08:20):
They know and that's the thingis you'd be so surprised Kids
know.
And that's the thing is you'dbe so surprised kids know it's
just, unfortunately, becausetheir parents are the ones that
are not necessarily eatinghealthy or right?
You're buying the food.
You're the one that's cookingthe food.
It's like I don't really have asay, right?
Speaker 2 (08:33):
now I just pick the marshmallows out of my lucky
charms that's the best part Iused to sit at the table all
night just because I wouldn'tfinish my vegetables.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
I'm good, not interested, so you got you
Midwest.
You know you sit here at thetable until you finish your
plate right, like we're notwasting.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Dude, Michigan Hospital, 930.
They served whole, fried likechicken quarters.
We're not even talking aboutchicken wings Breaded whole
fried chicken quarters in thehospital for breakfast.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
He's in New Orleans.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
No, this is in michigan, michigan, michigan
this is the pontiac the pool.
So I played little leaguefootball basketball in pontiac
like I silver dome.
I remember playing the silverdome when it was still around.
Did I hate it?
Speaker 5 (09:16):
watching the silver dome when I was there, because
it was like weeds growing andit's like dilapidated yeah, I'm
like barry sanders freaking hadsome of the greatest years in I
used to see barry sanders allthe time, so fun fact we
mentioned patriots and jonas.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
They gave jonas the key to the city of pontiac.
Yeah, I believe.
And really there when he wasthere when, I believe, they
demolished, they also did thedemolishing of the yeah, so just
kind of crazy that is kind ofnuts and most people don't know
pontiac, like people, yeah, oh,detroit do they know?
Yeah, like yeah, you've been inmichigan, you've been around
michigan I lived.
I lived in troy oh yeah, exit69, big beaver road come on
(09:55):
route 75 come on behind somersetmall portions are husky out
there too.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Yeah, oh yeah, oh, my god, the fun, so I'd spent time
also in like lou Louisiana too.
So it's like in hindsight I'mlike I don't know if it was
because it was that many yearsprior to it, but like I don't
know if it was unhealthier.
But, like New Orleans, Icouldn't get weight off because,
like dude, find a salad in NewOrleans.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Beignets, yeah, oh yeah, your dog's out.
I mean, if you think about it,though, beignets are like oh,
you want beignets with yourbreakfast Dude.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
The healthiest thing is gumbo and jambalaya.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
I'll take another piece, another scoop.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
It's like why am I not going to?
You know what?
I'm only going to be in NewOrleans for like three more
years, two more years.
One day I was just like okay, Iwas upset with myself because I
was like rushing down thehospital corridor to get to like
a trauma and I felt myselfjiggle and I'm like, oh, that's
gross.
And like when you feel parts ofyour body hitting other parts
(10:53):
of the body, out of just yourmind, you're like what is going
on.
And I was at like 210 and I'mlike you know what?
I'm gonna to 190.
I said it to some of the nursesthat were working in the ICU
that day and then I run intothem like two months later
they're like oh, how's thatgoing?
I'm like I'm up to 220.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
I just had gumbo and BA's for lunch.
I was up to 220.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
I was like, oh, that's not good Like I'm bulking
right now.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
I oh, that's not good Like I'm bulking right now, I'm
going to do the cut.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Yeah, bulking face, I'm just hoping for no more
trauma calls.
If I don't walk fast enough, Idon't jiggle, I don't jiggle.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
It's like let me slow down.
Or you throw the tank top onunderneath the uniform.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
The trauma calls were like it's the worst, because
you're there overnight for somany hours.
You're like, oh, I can eat icecream and you just pile it on.
You eat like crap and you'relimited.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
I would still do it right now, like when I eat, like
you're saying, like she wastelling you to slow down.
When I eat.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
I eat as fast as possible.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
You have to, though I feel like there was one time I
was in the ER trauma for surgeryand I hate laughing about this
story because there's a deathinvolved but the way it played
out at seven o'clock in Bostonthey would have a residence
(12:14):
dinner at the cafeteria, sopretty much serving us all the
leftovers.
And I make a bet.
I'm like I'm pretty sure I caneat a whole pizza.
I can eat a whole pizza in lessthan 30 minutes and so I take
(12:35):
that bet.
We're placing bets.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Is it a large?
Yeah, it's a belly bomb.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
It's legit this big, but I was like somewhere between
three to five slices in and Iwas on the ER.
My senior resident was in theER.
No, I was going strong, but Ijust had like three to five
slices in and they're just liketrauma bae, whatever.
So us two go run there and Ihave to just pump the lady's
(13:07):
chest, Draw a code.
And he runs the code like okay,somebody grab this medicine,
whatever.
And there's only like three ofus there.
It's this lady and two of herfamily members.
She had dissected aorticaneurysm, so like your main
artery that comes out of yourheart, like it can balloon up in
(13:27):
some people, um, and it canexplode.
So then it's just like yourheart is just pumping blood in
your belly.
So I was just like this isdefinitely what this lady has,
and usually you run codes forlike a while before you call it.
How am I just pumping thislady's chest and cpr at that
(13:49):
time is like two minutes beforeyou turn over.
I'm just looking at him.
I'm like yo man.
I was like call the code.
He's like it's only 30 seconds.
What do you mean?
Call the code?
Speaker 4 (13:59):
I'm like are you gonna throw a?
Speaker 2 (14:01):
fucking, fucking cold code.
He's like no, we gotta run itfor a while, there's gonna be
backup coming.
Just just keep going.
And backup didn't get there.
Like we, we did like run thecode as long as we could, but
like she just had no like vitalsigns and afterwards he was
(14:22):
really supportive, like he'salways looked out for me uh,
more than like anybody actuallyduring that residency period,
but like he was just like what's, what's wrong with you?
Why?
Why'd you keep saying like callthe code?
Just like you, you were therefor like 15 seconds and you like
call the code, like pronouncethis person dead, and I was like
(14:44):
dude, I was like this lady'sgonna die.
Like she was pretty much deadwhen she got to the table.
I was like the last and I waslike, and you saw how much pizza
and how fast I was trying toeat.
I was like the last thing.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Her family members because, they were sitting in
the room.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
They're gonna see her dead and me puking pepperoni
slices oh boy, just projectilevomiting on her like her
arteries spewing the blood intoher abdomen.
That's the main reason.
And he was like, okay, thefunny part is there was another
time, a couple months later, wewere both the first to respond
(15:21):
to a call and it was the samething and one of the bigger
girls that was a resident theregot there before me.
So I was relieving her for thechest compression and I'm
looking at him and I'm like yougot to call the code.
She's like not again.
And he's like why?
Now he's like I'm like there'sno way I'm gonna look that good
(15:46):
pumping my chest she's going totown like I don't have that much
energy, man.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
Oh my gosh, wow, that one was joking, but the first
one I was just like.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
I honestly like the chances we save this lady is
next to zero and I don't want tocover with vomit.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
But no, but people don't always talk about that man
.
It's, like you know, sometimeslife and death, or you're
dealing with the transitions,right, it's like just another
day at work.
It's like, yeah, today was justTuesday and like people don't
realize that that's like, that'sreal.
You know what I mean.
It's like you know you got totake it home with you.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
You got it home with you.
You gotta take it back to lunchthat is true, that is true.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Pizza, maybe seven o'clock dinner, seven o'clock
dinner.
I stopped, I stopped poundingpizza slices that day, right
while I'm on call right, let meclarify while I'm on call and I
stopped being the first personto respond to.
There we go.
I'll relieve somebody.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
Those codes are the worst.
If you get there first and noone shows up, you're just
pumping that chest, and whoknows how long, because you're
supposed to rotate.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
But if you're a little bit later than that, then
the whole room has like 30people in it.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
It's not just like the little thing You're going at
it, you're trying to at it,yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
It's because you're trying to pretty much compress
somebody's sternum down to theirdown to their vertebrae.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
So so I will say this just a little fun fact Deanna's
actually saved a life or two.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
Okay, no, no, no, no, Go ahead, no, no, no.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Go ahead.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
I think you're being modest, you're being modest.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
No, she was in her first job.
She was a lifeguard.
Yes, one of her first jobs.
Oh then you definitely saved alife, I mean, but I'm not saving
a life like you guys.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
I'm just saying Dude, a lifeguard saved my life and
I'm sure they thought it wasnothing.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
They just grabbed me shirt but I almost drowned in
like two feet of water.
Come on, I tell her I was like.
You know it was early on.
I was like, but you got to giveyourself some.
You know it's two or three live.
You know you're like.
No, we had it at the cpr.
Speaker 5 (17:47):
You're out there everybody thinks they can do it
until they get into the deep endyeah, yeah, yeah no, let's
guard save lives
Speaker 2 (17:58):
yeah yeah yeah, yeah I I went out surfing.
It wasn't huge waves, it wasRhode Island, and it was my
first time and I fell off and Ifelt like, oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
I could not get up.
I could not get up.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
And then, eventually, I managed to feel the ground
under me and I stood up.
I swear the water was this deep.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
It happened.
It happened.
How did I just?
Speaker 3 (18:27):
tumble like 25 times.
Who was holding me underneaththe water just now?
Speaker 2 (18:32):
I'm like this is not even as deep as my bathtub and
this guy's holding the surfboard.
It's like your first time.
I'm like yeah, thank you, Gofuck yourself.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
First arm.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
I'm in here, yeah oh man, lifeguards save lives
incredible, incredible tell usmore.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
I knew you mentioned on like on the marketing side,
what are some of the big thingsthat you all are working on
right now business wise and justgrowth wise, we're pretty much
trying to strike from everyangle.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
That's why we're here doing a podcast.
It's not like we like you guysor anything no, now you do
exactly.
We got a patriot go pat 10seconds in and like, yeah, these
are my type of people.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
No, the podcast thing was like we're like, oh, we can
get away from home and justhave fun talking other than
being working you know working.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Oh, this guy doesn't talk, yeah, unless there's a
camera.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
Oh really oh in person sometimes you know
christian christian.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
What's that christian from the show?
Speaker 5 (19:39):
well, my wife says I'm on the spectrum and I
probably do have one.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
No, he's not just on the spectrum, he's at a far end
of the spectrum.
Okay.
Okay, so I don't know, I'venever been diagnosed with it,
but sort of you never sought outa diagnosis either.
Speaker 5 (19:54):
No, and one of the main reasons.
Brothers, one of the things Italk about a lot is the health
and wellness and, like I know,we do surgeries.
But, like you know, we weredoing surgeries and these
patients were just like massiveand like high bmis and I was
like just not happy with theaesthetic result, because I was
(20:16):
like how can we get these?
People to lose some weight, andyou know, you know that's the
optimum outcomes.
And I started, you know, to getinto peptides and everything
myself and like I lost 60 pounds.
So I was like all right let mebring this into the practice,
and we brought that in Greatidea, Like have been adding
different things to get ourpatients healthy, rather than
(20:39):
you know.
Some patients come in theydon't know, they think you can
just liposuction their weightoff and you know, like for
someone that's already done alot of ready.
Give me magic overnight, yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
And it's really a butt lift while you're at it.
Speaker 5 (20:53):
Yeah, so for a lot of patients that have already done
the hard work yet you can doliposuction and get them better
figure.
But for patients that thinkthey're going to take weight off
with surgery, it's not going tohappen unless it's weight loss
surgery and that's not plasticsurgery.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
It's not right.
That's not like.
Everybody knows like.
Is that different?
That's different yeah, yeah,like tummy tucks.
You're not going to lose asignificant amount of weight
from a tummy tuck yeah, ohreally, or how much do?
You, how much do you lose?
Speaker 3 (21:20):
like five pounds is a really so so the thing is I
actually no, I'm sorry I wouldthink a tummy tuck, even if, you
see, I would think a tummy tuck, you're dropping like a 20
piece.
No, no like 20 is.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
20 is the high end, so so I like I was actually
getting it.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
So it matters where your patient is and, like you
got to educate them into, youknow they got to make lifestyle
changes before they have thesurgery and I was actually like
starting to do a study, becauseyou, unless they're willing to
pay five times the amount cash.
Oh you, I can consider it, youdo tighten the abdomen up which
(21:57):
makes it like at the beginningit makes it harder to eat, but
like if you're, you're notliving the healthy lifestyle.
That stomach's going to expand.
You know we remove some fat butit's usually on average maybe
three to five pounds, but peopledon't even keep that off If
you're continuing with badhabits.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Because even in three to five pounds I'm just
thinking about me Like I couldput that down in one pizza
content.
Yeah, yeah, exactly On call, Ican do that on call.
I can do that on call.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
But the thing is, even with gastric bypass, where
they flip a part of yourintestines around to slow it
down or gastric sleeve.
Those are the two most commontypes of bariatric surgery that
people do.
The sleeve like like, let's say, your stomach's shaped like
this and your esophagus comeshere and the intestine comes out
(22:49):
there.
They pretty much staple this.
So your stomach's that big, soyou eat a little bit.
It feels full already and itsends the signals to your brain.
Uh, so those are the two mostcommon types and there's at
least a 33 failure rate, likethat's wait a minute, yeah oh
(23:09):
yeah, that's like a third yeahand that's why you gotta get
like even the bariatric surgeons.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
They gotta have patients that comply and lose
some weight on their own.
Can I just?
Can I just tell you, I knew it,I knew you're right.
Can I just tell you guyssomething?
Speaker 4 (23:21):
because I really it.
I knew you were going to tellme, can I?
Speaker 3 (23:22):
just tell you guys something Because I really like
to eat, like you know, like Ican be a big boy If I didn't
really watch it.
So sometimes I'll watch my600-pound life just to let
myself know, like this is what Ican do.
You need to have someguardrails.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Like put the trail mix down or widen the doorway.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
You don't want people who cut out holes in your wall
to get you out.
You don't want to do that.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
So when I see the 600-pound life, just to your
point, like you see him talkabout.
Like hey, I can't even operateon you, right?
Now because you've got to lose50 or 100 pounds.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
No, no, no, 100, yeah 200 before we can even operate.
Speaker 5 (24:05):
Yeah, yeah, got to lose 50 or 100 pounds, 200
before we can even operate.
Yeah, yeah, it's.
Their mindsets got to changeand a lot of these people I
exactly, you know, I was workingwith some of the bariatric
surgeons and did a lot of it.
The patients that do well arethe ones that begin losing the
weight and then have bariatricsurgery continue to lose the
weight and they get to a low bmiwhere the the skin's really
hindering them right, yes, yes,yes gaining their confidence.
(24:26):
So they could rebound and gobackwards.
But the patients that likethey're like they just get the
surgery done don't change theirlife.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
They have addictive personalities yeah, they're
going over addiction yeah, it'sall you can eat because you show
the surgery, who's boss?
But they literally show.
They like oh, you think you canlike shrink my stomach down,
I'll show you.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
Yeah, interesting because they think this
operation is going to help andlike that's true, and we'll like
remove skin on them and then,like they get hooked on pain
meds and yes we, we see it like.
I'm like all right, it makessense and you got to really be
careful with like pain meds andstuff with these patients
because they end up gettingaddicted to opioids and stuff so
(25:10):
like it's just the mindset yougot to.
You got to be able to changethat and if they don't have it
appropriate, you see them notlosing a lot of weight so it's a
lifestyle change yes, what doyou?
Speaker 3 (25:21):
guys think GLP-1s.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
I was just about to ask yeah, yeah, what's your take
on GLP-1s?
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Ozempic the different GLP-1s.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
They're great.
They're a great starter packfor some people, they're great
maintenance for some people.
So it varies.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
Do you think it's long-term?
I love it and I think it'slong-term and it's good for you
overall health-wise.
Speaker 5 (25:44):
There's so many health benefits and I use them,
and I use it to lose weightalong with peptides.
But the thing I do is I dose it.
I don't take it like onschedule anymore after I've lost
my weight and like I microdoseit.
I'll move up in dosage if I goon beach vacation.
I'm like I got to drop somepounds.
(26:04):
I'll up the dose for a littlebit and then go back down gotta
get my sexy back super dose.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
So out of curiosity, um no, because I really
appreciate you all sharing that,because you know, being in
fitness and wellness, it's beenlike a complete takeover, right?
Yeah, and I know it wassupposed to serve a purpose and
a role for, obviously, diabeticpatients and different things
like that, and then it was likeit's like anything else people
say it works.
It's like what?
Speaker 2 (26:27):
yeah honestly, oh yeah there's a lot of distrust
with physicians nowadays.
Since covid and stuff, yes, andI, like I did you did a lot of
medical research.
I did a ton of years ofresearch, so I'm I'm very like
stringent on, like what's putout and like trying to poke
(26:48):
holes in articles and stuff.
And I I will tell you that themain thing with any type of
medication, anything you'regoing to take, is risks versus
benefit, so side effects versushow it's going to work for you.
And this like not medicaladvice, but as a physician, I'll
(27:10):
tell you like for a majority ofpeople, the side effects is
like very minimum compared tolike even most drugs.
So, like a lot of these GLP-1s,you got to inject too.
So then to think like, oh, it'san injectable rather than oral
right and it has less sideeffects, then I I'm gonna say,
(27:31):
in my hands it has way less sideeffects compared to other
medications that like just theysay they hit this trigger and
cause that kind of response.
But it's just, it's definitelya game changer.
Not everybody can tolerate it,but, like, the side effects
people say is like nausea,vomiting.
(27:53):
It's like, yeah, you're tryingto eat when your body's telling
you not to eat Gastric reflux,which is heartburn.
You're going to get that justbecause your stomach's not
emptying out as fast.
So if you have gastric refluxissues beforehand, you should
probably want to control thatSlowly dose it yeah.
(28:14):
And work it out and they'rebringing new formulations with
different receptors to decreasethe GI symptoms.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
And one of the things that I've heard, too, is that
it's really important tocontinue to train and work out
while you're on GLP-1s, becauseI think, for the people that
think it's just going to be amagic potion, magic drug inject
it keep eating how I'm eating,or maybe eating less of what the
same foods I'm eating, butdoesn't it also attack some of
the muscle?
Speaker 2 (28:39):
You can waste away.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
That's what I was going to say.
Attack some of the muscle youcan waste away.
That's what I was going to say.
Right, because you're going to,it's going to also less, it's
going to also you're consumingless, it's going to also attack
some of the muscle, right, yeah,it's going to start feeding off
.
Speaker 5 (28:48):
It's going to feed off the muscle, so it doesn't
you get, you got to havephysicians that like do
functional medicine or are inthe space and know how to
control that stuff and like, forus we we put our patients on
the scale that tells us ifthey're losing muscle mass.
You know like you're gonna losemuscle mass.
If you're losing weight, you'reeating less caloric restriction
(29:09):
.
So we discuss, like highprotein diets and, like I was
saying before, like resistancebands.
Resistance bands like youmaintain more muscle and your
bone health with resistancebands over weight training.
So I discussed that I'm like goand get good resistance bands,
you don't need to do a hell of alot.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
I use X3.
Speaker 5 (29:30):
There's Harambe system, there's multiple
different systems that you'relike 15, 20 minutes in the
morning, good day.
And I actually put on musclewhile I was on GLP-1s and that
was because while I was onGLP-1s, and that was because one
thing was I was taking likegrowth hormone receptor peptides
, but also the resistance bands.
Once I added that in, Idefinitely saw much bigger
(29:51):
growth in my muscle gains.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
That's got to be a game changer on the marketing
side for you guys, because youactually tried the different
things that you all offer.
How?
Speaker 5 (29:59):
do you do this?
Yeah, how do you share?
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Is that something that you share?
How does that you all offer?
How?
Speaker 3 (30:01):
do you?
How do you share?
Yeah, how do you share?
Is that something that youshare?
How does that?
Speaker 2 (30:03):
come in.
Yeah, so I share all hisstories because I'm like I know
like dude, the GLP ones you'resupposed to titrate up and he
did.
He.
He took like a big dose thefirst time he took it.
He came into the operating roomand he was just like I think I
gotta go to the bathroom throwup.
Speaker 5 (30:20):
Yeah, I had weight issues because, like being being
like college athlete and justbeing in your younger days.
You just like your metabolismjust shuts down.
You can't like.
All of a sudden your hormonesare out of balance and you just
can't lose weight.
But I've tried everything I'vebeen on all the diet pills and,
(30:40):
like you've done, differentdiets too.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
It's not just like looking for like a magic formula
he's done things that work forhim but his weight like over the
years, until like three, fouryears.
What's it four years ago?
now like it was alwaysfluctuating.
There's just times just like,holy crap, like he's really
chubby.
It's not like actually thinkingof him that way, but like
(31:04):
looking at the pictures, like,yeah, wow, sure, his face is
really round, yeah, right.
And then, but like over liketwo years spans like being damn,
he's in really good shape,right.
And then like, and to see himswing back to like the bad side,
like after he's like successful, knows about everything being
(31:26):
like, but he's just not able tokeep the weight off.
So that was the eye-opener oncethat transition went from being
overweight to like just likehe's on, he's on fire right now,
not just weight wise, but likeworking with them every day,
like showing up to the operatingroom together just mindset's a
lot different.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
Yeah, it works a lot better.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
You're just sharp absolutely yeah, and that
discipline, I'm sure yeah, and Iuse different things to like.
Speaker 5 (31:53):
Like once I got my weight down it was like how can
I improve my brain function tomaximize that and like be able
to, and the ideas and everythingjust come a lot easier that's
when you start wasting a lot ofmoney on things.
Yeah and even operating likeyou have to optimize eyes, yeah,
level 2.0, 3.0, 4.0, 5.0.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Let's go windows 98?
Speaker 5 (32:18):
yes, windows 98 yes yeah, so I, I just like.
I was like oh, glp1s, I don'tneed to titrate, I just took the
highest dose.
Um, yeah, I was projectilevomiting that day oh my gosh
like my wife asked me to go anddo something outside.
I bent over and I was well,this was after like.
I walked into this case.
(32:38):
I finished doing my side andthen ran to the bathroom.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
I'm like I got to step out.
I don't feel good.
I got to go to the bathroom.
Speaker 5 (32:44):
I went, I projectile vomited.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
You were like did you have pizza?
Were you in a pizza competition?
Yeah right.
Speaker 5 (32:48):
Well, I thought it was the tuna sandwich.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
How many slices?
Five slices, three slices howmany?
Speaker 2 (32:54):
slices?
I didn't even think.
And in how much time?
Speaker 5 (32:56):
In how much time I didn't think it was a medication
because I was like was itBecause I think I had like some
tuna salad or something?
Speaker 3 (33:01):
He's like what did I eat?
Was it the funny tuna?
I was like the funny tuna, thefunny tuna.
Yeah, I thought it was out alittle long.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
He looked green.
He came in and looked like yourdress.
I was just like something's notright.
Speaker 5 (33:18):
Then I started from the ground back up.
I was like all right, I got totighten up.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Honestly, when you're in the zone in the OR, you
don't even notice Until hementioned it.
He's like I don't feel good.
I'm like you don't look good.
I never hear that from him.
I'm'm like look at him.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
Yeah, you don't look good.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
That's crazy.
Yeah, no, but thanks forsharing though.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
That's always just good to be able to hear,
especially from firsthandexperience and also having the
medical knowledge and experienceBecause I think so often you
have.
You know we're in a creatorgeneration, a creator era right
now between YouTube, socials andeverybody's sharing their POV,
whether that's you know you'redoing it from a brand side,
you're promoting the product oryou're just like going through
it on your journey, but theydon't necessarily have the
medical experience.
(34:06):
And they're advising people andthey're saying you know, you
got to do the carnivore diet,liver king.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
And it's like this dude's not all natural.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
He's telling you you got to eat a you know, grab it
out of the fridge and just takea bite out of it the thing is
like if you spend, like twelvethousand dollars a month on gh.
Speaker 5 (34:24):
I heard it was like he was spending 70k a month on
hormones and stuff.
Yeah, I don't know how you canspend that much, like you can
get a lot of good stuff for wayless than that costs a lot of
money, okay, so give us, yeah,give us.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
I don't know a ton about that, but I know.
Like you know, I'm in additionto what we do with Company Fit,
I'm also the VP of Partnershipsat ISSA, international Sports
Sciences Association but a lotof our foundation was early on
bodybuilding over seven years,right, certifications, personal
training, we go to the Olympiashows and some of the things,
and so sometimes you're looking,you're like that's like you got
to have a full time job toafford the enhancements that
(35:00):
some of the people are doingRight To be able to, like,
physically, have caps, you know,on the shoulders.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Yeah, the thing is with like hormone replacements,
like especially with likebodybuilding uh, two most
important ones, or mostprevalent ones testosterone and
growth hormone.
There's even some physiciansthat are saying like this like
supernatural amount oftestosterone is good for you
that's what Krista was tellingus but, like you, you want to
(35:30):
stay on like the higher end ofnormal for testosterone and
growth hormone.
The growth hormone releasingpeptides tend to do way better
than just injecting yourselfwith growth hormone.
Well, it's not do better.
Speaker 5 (35:44):
It matters what you're looking for.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
That is true.
Speaker 5 (35:47):
Growth hormone is going to give you the best
results with lean muscle massgrowth, where you're not going
to get as much with the growthhormone releasing peptides and
stuff.
But the problem with growthhormone is you're increasing.
Your growth hormone is going todecrease years in your life so
can you repeat?
that, yeah, it's going todecrease years in your life.
(36:09):
So, growth hormone, unlessyou're like doing low, very low
doses, you're, otherwise you'respeeding up the way you're
you're going through life andthat's why you see, like the
heart attacks and all all these,like 45, 50s, like heart
exploding, yeah, yeah like thewcw wrestlers every wrestler,
(36:31):
yeah, and like we were talkingabout, like when macho man
passed away years ago I was.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
I read the article.
It was like macho man died ofcar accident.
I was like, finally, like notthat I wished it upon him, but
it's like, finally, a wrestlerthat didn't die of a heart
attack, it's a car accident.
It's like, oh, he got into thecar accident because he had a
heart attack behind the wheelgotcha yeah like even growth
hormone.
Speaker 5 (36:56):
I did growth hormone.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
He's tried all of it.
Speaker 5 (37:00):
Even the I felt my wrists growing my hips.
I would get hip pain, jointpains, Carpal tunnel.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Carpal tunnel.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
Cervical Trigger fingers.
Cervical spinal issues.
Wow, so there's side effectslike this, and then how much do
these things cost?
Whether so there's side effectslike this, and then how?
Speaker 2 (37:17):
much do these things cost?
Whether someone's like.
I don't know if this is paperinsurance, it varies because you
can get it from somebody in thegym.
Speaker 5 (37:21):
You could get it from Canada, Turkey, India Find it
online, because I do know somepeople that were telling me yeah
, I'll be finding stuff onReddit People find it online.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
It's a risky business , I'm sure A lot of the stuff
for the peptides.
Speaker 5 (37:34):
a lot of it comes from China, Whether you get it
in the US or anything fromcompound pharmacies.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Well, that's medication period.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Yeah, that's why Trump's setting the tariffs.
Speaker 5 (37:45):
They're making it in China and then they're sending
it over here and the compoundpharmacies do purity testings
and stuff and the black market'sbecome pretty big where you
could even pick up some of theglp ones and stuff.
But like when some people saythey're not losing weight or you
know some of the muscle wastingand stuff, they're not taking
(38:06):
it from a doctor, they're justtaking it from someone.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
So they're going, but like you'll still get.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
But you'll still get muscle wasting with doctor
prescribed stuff, but it's justhigher when you're doing yes,
quality, yeah, yeah that makessense, yeah, pretty much have to
look at percentage, likepercentage body fat, like yeah,
okay, I lost like, let's say,like three pounds of muscle, but
I lost six pounds of fat.
That's muscle worth losing forjust to get more lean.
(38:35):
But it also matters what yourgoals are.
So, like, if you want to put onmore muscle but like trim down
a little, like, you need alittle bit of both, like with
the glp ones mixed with, likegrowth hormone, releasing
peptides and I, I ask you likehow you would tell your wife and
like for my wife, wife, she'slike she's type A personality,
(38:58):
she does her own thing.
Speaker 5 (38:59):
So, like I did everything and I, you know, like
after we had our first son,like I was like I can't be this
way, like to be able to playwith them and everything I got
to lose weight.
So I'm more active.
So like I got on this wholething of being healthier and
getting better and I lost theweight before we had our second
(39:21):
son.
And then, once we had oursecond son, she's like what were
you on?
She got on glp-1 shortly tolose the weight.
Um, after she was donebreastfeeding, she got in shape
and then now she's, like youknow, trying the other peptides
because that worked so well for,you know, like trouble sleeping
.
There's stuff for that.
You know there's other thingsto just overall we're trying for
(39:45):
a third.
So if she's trying to like helpher system get, better she can.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
Yeah, Come on Breaking breaking news, yeah.
Speaker 5 (39:52):
That's how it goes.
No, we've said it multipletimes we have.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
But it, yeah, that's how it goes.
No, we've said it multipletimes, we have, but it's like
until it happens.
That's exciting, we don't havekids yet, but yeah, that's
exciting though, yeah big time.
Speaker 5 (40:01):
Yeah, it was always about like scheduling it where.
Yeah, because I've been withnever schedule, if you guys are
scheduling having a kid, don'tjust have a kid, yeah I know
scheduling for sure.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
For me it was like don'tschedule, it's having a kid dude
.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
You're never going to be ready, you're never going to
be set, you're never going tobe, prepared.
And even if you are and you'rehyper like, focused on that.
It doesn't matter.
Speaker 5 (40:34):
If you want a kid, you just go do it, it, it took
me a while and you know I andyou get by like you got to see,
like what our parents got bywith.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
You're like whoa, they had way less resources,
they were way less prepared thanus.
You think they had everythingfigured out.
But then you look back likeyeah oh but it's different for
every like.
Speaker 5 (40:55):
I like, I really like .
I can't remember exactly when Ieven thought about having a kid
.
It was like it wasn't till,like I was like 36, 37, um till
I even thought about it, I waslike out of that school and like
getting married.
You know, I was like I gottahave enough money even having a
kid.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
I'm like I gotta accomplish these things before
having a kid.
Speaker 5 (41:19):
But then, like you know me and my wife like you
know, you protect yourself allthis protected time, like, oh, I
want to go travel for a fewyears, but then it's, like you
know, like when you try to havea kid and you can't have it and
we have to go through ivf andstuff that's the biggest thing,
thing.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
That's where.
Speaker 5 (41:36):
I'm like you know, if you really want to have a kid,
like, don't put it off, but ifyou're like questionable about
it, yeah, take your time, chrisRock did say is, once you have a
kid like, fuck you, fuck youraspirations.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
Oh, you want to travel.
Go fuck yourself.
It's not about you anymore.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
So that's the one thing to like.
Weigh in.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
But it is like, for me it's the greatest thing in
the world being a dad.
Like I don't just say it tolike look like that guy.
It's like we absolutely lovethe time we spend together and
want to just like hold on tothat as much as possible, Cause
in like five years she's goingto be in college.
(42:23):
It's like crazy, um, and then,like we waited to have a second
one, then we had some hard times, so it's, it's like that.
That's why it's like, oh, youcan put it off, put it off.
But like eh, put it off, put itoff.
But like something aboutevolution telling me to have as
many kids as possible.
Now, just treat it like pizzaslices.
Speaker 3 (42:43):
Oh boy, finish the pie in under 30.
Just go until you're going topuke.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
There we go.
Speaker 3 (42:50):
There we go.
Well, I feel like we'll have tocircle back, man, and either
come back on or have you guyswant to chat more about that?
Speaker 2 (42:56):
Yeah, sure, definitely so awesome.
Yeah, like we'll have to circleback, man and uh, either come
back on or you guys want to chatmore about.
Yeah, sure, definitely soawesome.
Yeah, it's been an awesome timehaving you guys.
Speaker 5 (43:00):
Thank you for having us man.
Thank you guys so much.
Yeah, thank you, thank you.
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