Is This the Natural Alternative to Ozempic?

What happens when a Versace model walks away from the spotlight to heal from the inside out?

In this episode, we dive into her powerful journey from battling addiction and chronic health issues to finding real healing through meditation, plant medicine, and shamanic practices.

She opens up about how reconnecting with nature and ancient wisdom changed everything—and why so many of us are unknowingly held back by processed food, stress, and chemical overload.

We also explore how alternative education like Waldorf helps raise more creative, resilient kids and why blending old traditions with new science could be the key to a healthier future.

It’s raw, inspiring, and full of hope. Press play and discover what true healing really looks like.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:19):
so how'd you like la?

Speaker 2 (00:22):
I loved la, I mean la became my number one home.
It was the most time I've everspent as a human being anywhere
25 years, yeah so, and I neverthought I'd leave.
But covid got a little weirdand, um, the homeless population
got out of control.
Yeah, uh, when everybody waslocked up and I was living in
between two halfway houses insanta monica, yeah and uh, and I

(00:45):
had two small children yeah,and they got louder as everyone
was, you know, told to stayindoors yeah I don't stay
indoors very well yeah, how oldare the kids, or were they at
the time?
uh, they were probably what likeseven eight okay and 11 type of
thing, we moved to sedona withno mask requirements nice they

(01:10):
were in waldorf and we werepaying for private schools and,
uh, we like the waldorfcurriculum.
But they went from a zero mediapolicy, yeah, to being on zoom
for six hours and I said I'm notpaying for that, yeah but yeah,
that just switched.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
I mean, my daughter was similar age, she was like
six or seven and that zoom shut,the whole zoom classroom thing.
It was so bad she would justflip out.
Because she doesn't usuallyspend much time on a screen, we
limited her screen time, likeshe would only get like one to
two hours over the weekend, andthen it went to like trying to

(01:47):
keep her on a monitor for likethree hours at a time, five
hours at a time.
It was just not working outwell, how about this?

Speaker 2 (01:55):
I mean, uh, pornography's everywhere and my
daughter at 11 years old gotcaught on it, or the girls in
her.
Somebody pressured them orwhatever but it's, it's
available, and so, and I lovethe zero media policy from
Waldorf education, you know, andnot everybody can be zero, but
at least that's a good marker.

(02:16):
And so you know there's that.
So you know, society definitelygot a little strange over the
years.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
And was that the main thing at waldorf that you liked
, or like what else?

Speaker 2 (02:29):
brain development yeah, as well um so what what?
Did they do so?
The first thing they do atearly childhood is that they use
silks, wood they're all naturalfiber toys or they also would
go out in the garden.
So by the time they arelearning abstract how to plant

(02:52):
seeds, they already have avisceral experience.
Yeah, a tactile experience ofworking in the garden at the
waldorf school and so um theyalso.
They don't teach them how toread, they kind of learn by
osmosis.
And instead of making them goafter mathematics, uh,

(03:12):
linguistics, those types ofthings, I do believe steiner
philosophy is that the the rightbrain.
Right is that the creative sideof the brain one's logic and
one's one's logic and reason andthe other one's creativity and
that develops and there's kindof a window of development and
it kind of stops at 11.
So instead of focusing onreading and mathematics, which

(03:36):
they bring in, but in more inthe form of art and then that
visceral type of learning aboutbeing in the garden et garden
etc and play, lots of play, sogross motor skills are directly
related to, uh, fine motorskills, so needlepoint, knitting
, and then they would have themgo on the monkey bars and

(03:56):
actually they're looking at thedevelopment uh of their gross
motor skills and their finemotor skills.
My son had like a learningissue where he was turning and
he wasn't listening as much andthe teachers are able to spot
that and through thedevelopmental you know

(04:17):
philosophy of Steiner and theysaid that you know his gross
motor skills weren't being asdeveloped as much and this may
help his learning and so we gothim out on the monkey bars a
little bit more and my, mychildren are already active.
Yeah, we live in such adomesticated world, yeah, that,
um, they needed that, that partof development.
So I, I like that they.
They focus on the braindevelopment.

(04:38):
They also, uh are understandingof like cortisol and how much
testing and competition reallyelevates cortisol, and chronic
elevated cortisol can shut achild down neurologically and so
and this sounds like allhighfalutin philosophy, but I am

(04:58):
here to tell you that mychildren are very attentive,
they're very present, they'relike adults when you engage them
.
Their artistic skills areamazing my son can draw.
Their problem solving isamazing, and so the proof is in
the pudding, and I've done thebest I can to keep them away
from devices.
My ex-wife and I are divorcednow and she decided to buy them

(05:22):
devices to get against me andI'm like we actually invested in
the children's development.
So but anyway, I digress.
But yeah, the, the, the, theinvestment was worth it.
Yeah, for sure I recommendother adults that are interested
in child rearing to definitelyinvestigate Waldorf and what it

(05:43):
has to offer.
It's not right for everyone yes, not.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
Every child is different yeah but definitely
look I think, just like openingtheir minds to, you know, to
different things, and seeingwhere they excel in instead of
being like no, these are like,you need to excel at math or
biology, or you know now.
Now they get into like computercoding and stuff, like even at
an early age.
So like I think it's importantto kind of get their creativity

(06:10):
and get their brains growingbefore like just fixating on
certain things, and like we'vehad a couple of friends that
their kids played like ultraperformance athletes in hockey
and like at 18 they don't wantto play anymore yeah, my son's a
hockey player and he just wentthrough that he wanted to go pro
and I sent him away and he wentto montreal and everything and

(06:32):
he came home this story.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
He went to canada, got into a good school and then
like doesn't want to continueanymore yeah, and I'm happy
because the, the athleticsreally, they worked them seven
days a week and on the ice.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
And so, yeah, the one thing I will leave with the
Waldorf education is that I knowthat Ivy League schools and
tech companies covet Waldorfchildren because of their
problem-solving abilities, andso their test scores, their SATs

(07:07):
, may not be as high as others,but if you ask them a direct
question, they'll look in youreye and they'll they'll give you
a well thought out answer.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
Yeah, well, around here it's like there's a school
that's pretty popular because itgets rated high.
It's called basis, but they'restrongly about like test taking
skills and I know a lot ofpeople, like a lot of physicians
, put their kids in therebecause, oh, they're going to do
well on tests like sats.
Um, but it's it's definitelyhigh anxiety.
I know more than one personthat had to take their kid out
of there.
Yeah, one of their kidsresponded and it's doing really

(07:41):
well there.
The other one was just likehigh anxiety to the point where
like it was affecting herattitude and everything.
So they it was good they tookher out in like less than a year
, but like not everybody canyeah, it's recognized that
there's different things fordifferent people and the nice
part is we have a lot of optionsnow Because, like my daughter,

(08:05):
she's been like charter schoolMontessori until.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
My children are Montessori now.
Okay, yeah, but charter.
So there's still the testing,yeah, and that stresses my
daughter out and I told herchild psychology totally works
right.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
I told her I don't care about school.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
You hear?

Speaker 2 (08:23):
about you, know, know all these entrepreneurs right
now yeah, you know steve jobsdropping out of school, etc.
I said I don't care aboutschool, I'll train you, I'll
homeschool you whatever you want.
And now she's a student.
She wants to go to harvard yeah, I can't even stop her right
and so, but she does getstressed out from the state
testing because it's charterschool, they get money from the

(08:43):
state, and so she does getstressed out and I'm like honey,
don't worry about it, she getsstraight A's right now.

Speaker 3 (08:49):
Yeah, my, my daughter , I mean she just doesn't like
school.
She's like me when I grew up,like until med school, I was not
.
I was like one of the worststudents and I did like just
enough to get my C's and I would.
I was good enough and I wasreally good at math so I could
calculate.
I'm like I can just get thesegrades that way.
I don't need to do any homeworkor I miss.

(09:10):
I did bad on like one quiz ortest and I was like, okay, I got
to do like two homeworkassignments this semester and
like that's how I was and she'slike exactly like it and it's
like kind of driving me nuts,but it's just like come on, come
on, just turn it on.
Like I honestly don't know whatto do.

(09:31):
She's really likeartistic-minded, great at
drawing, even painting stuffwe've worked on together too
Like she's really good at that.
But like with classes and thestate testing.
Also, how old is she?
She's 12.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
And what does she love to do?
She's good at drawing.

Speaker 3 (09:53):
Yeah, she definitely is on the creative side, so
that's why we have, like, herplayroom is pretty much like a
creativity room, so you got theeasel in there.
Creativity room, so you got theeasel in there.
Whatever I think I might havefun using with, like drawing and
stuff like markers, paint this,that or anything she brings up
to like create, like, whetherit's clay or some knitting stuff

(10:15):
now I forget the name of thetoys that are popular I was like
yeah, sure, let's, let's getthat.
Um, so that that why I'm likejust push this and eventually
she'll figure out where her realinterest is.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
Yeah, I agree.
I mean, everything's changingso much and AI is displacing
people out of businesses, but Ithink creativity and
authenticity, they're nevergoing away.
I talked to some tech kids inLA.
I was at an event.
It was tech and psychedelics.
It was right in Venice Beach,pretty big event, and it got a
lot of media and I I talked tosome virtual reality, uh, kids

(10:53):
in their twenties, but you knowreally high level employees and,
uh, you know they're creatinggaming, they're doing all this
stuff and and they're basicallytrying to say they want to get
away from their phones and theywant, want, you know, direct
interaction.
They were, uh, they were at thistech and psychedelic event and
they were.
It was kind of a strangequestion because I've used
psychedelics to do my ownpersonal spiritual work, um and

(11:17):
and they were kind of like wewant to hang out with, like this
crew and I was, and that's notthe way I think.
Right, if I'm going to dopsychedelics in the Amazon and
drink ayahuasca or somethinglike that, I'm going to do it
for my own personalintrospection.
I'm going to take that home.
I'm going to do that work forthe next few years.
I'm not going to get around abunch of people and like do a
party drug or something likethat, and so I think their,

(11:40):
their thinking was a little bitoff.
But it was very interesting totalk to these people because
tech and entertainment in LosAngeles has really.
I went away for quite a fewyears this was last year and I
went back there and I was amazedat how much tech kind of took
over Hollywood, because when Ilived there it was all about
filmmaking and.
Tv and acting and all thisstuff and I went back there and

(12:04):
I saw this kind of takeover fromtech and it was just
interesting to hear young peoplesay that they want to get away
from the phones.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
I hear a lot like.
A lot of stuff I listen to islike tech-based, like podcasts,
stuff like that, andpsychedelics and stuff is really
big in that field.
I find a lot of young foundersof these startups.
They all experiment regularlywith psychedelics but I didn't

(12:33):
know that's how they were usingit?

Speaker 2 (12:37):
Well, that's the question that was posed to me,
and this was only oneconversation with a couple of
people.
But I just thought it wasstrange myself, because I don't
usually typically get with otherpeople.
I go to a psychedelicconference to offer my
perspective and my work in theAmazon and my work with Ibogaine
for addiction and stuff likethat.
Actually it's been not for myaddiction, just for my own

(13:00):
research.
It's utilized for chemicaldependency.
You know about it, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
We actually had a whole podcast.
We talked about it a couplemonths ago.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
Oh sweet.

Speaker 3 (13:10):
Because, yeah, it was on any of the things that show
up on wellness, or like becomespopular or anything we just like
if we don't know about it.
We'll, we'll like look it upand make sure we cover it.
So Ibergame, what's it?
Senator Rick Perry's backing it.
Now he's trying to back.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
Correct for the veterans, which is very
important.
So we've got the veterans andthen we have the blue-collar
workers that got on to OxyContinand stuff like that, and
there's been lawsuits and bigpayouts for, I think, purdue
Pharma, yeah, and they're tryingto get some of that money
rolled over into because thestuff works.

(13:50):
Yeah, yeah, the heroin addictsyears ago found it kind of
underground and we're using itamongst each other, um, and it's
been around for a long time.
I was fortunate enough to do ittwice because my online
platform is holistic health andexploration and all things.
Natural healing, yeah, and uhclinic in cancun contacted me

(14:10):
and, uh, I went down there toexperience it because you can
also do it for, uh, personaldevelopment, introspection,
trauma.
Um, they're doing it for PTSD.
There was a did you read thatpaper on Nature Magazine?
Yep, and he was on Tim Ferriss'podcast, that doctor from
Stanford, I do believe.
Yeah, 360 Navy SEALs and Ithink all their markers got so

(14:34):
much better from sleep.
A crazy amount To nutrition,yeah, yeah.
And so I had incredible andreally good experiences
spiritually.
There was a lot of darkness andwar inside of me and I've never
been through a war and towitness that for eight hours and
lynchings and hangings.
What?

Speaker 3 (14:52):
did you do in the meantime?
Were you just out in the wildwhen you took it, or were you
doing certain things?

Speaker 2 (14:59):
I was in a medical facility called Beyond and
actually it's gotten a lot ofpopularity.
It's mentioned multiple times onJoe Rogan just in the last few
months there was an Arkansasattorney that's working on
litigation to get this in thestate of Arkansas for the
veterans.
So the Bwiti tribe used to useit after the war.

(15:23):
So they call it, I think, likethe eating god, and so it has a
healing element for the nervoussystem.
But they would take it afterwar and you know what were they
killing each other with backthere Spears and stuff like real
brutal stuff, and so the Bwititribe would use it.

(15:46):
Um, the music is very weird andintense and also rhythmic, and
I, uh, I had you also havehallucin, uh, auditory
hallucinations and I had neverheard about that.
And I was listening to aplaylist and I've done ayahuasca

(16:06):
and been on like really coolspiritual playlists and it's
amazing to hear these sounds andstuff and I was on that
playlist.
I was on a playlist like thatthe first time and it just
sounded like just reallydepressing music.
I was like why, why is that?
And they're like, oh, there'sauditory hallucinations.
I was like okay.
So the next time I went back Ilistened to only the Bwidi music

(16:30):
and it sounds a littlediscordant.
And they have these what arethose things called?
Where they put them in themouth?
Oh yeah, australian thing yeah,they have these instruments and
drums and it just sounds like,and then this one's making a
sound over here.
But when you're on the medicineit all makes sense because it's

(16:53):
playing with your brain.
It's like it's triggeringdifferent things in your brain,
and so for the next experience Idid most people only do it once
, and so I went back.
The next year they invited meback and I listened to it and,
um, it actually helped myexperience.
The first experience was just awalk through hell for eight

(17:14):
hours Solid and you went back.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
How did you feel afterwards?
Like amazing, yeah, even afterthe bad trip.

Speaker 3 (17:22):
Oh yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
Well, the shamans in the Amazon I learned this many
years ago.
They say when you have a badtrip, it's actually better,
because then every life is gravyright.
Life is difficult, you know,there's no doubt about it, and
so depends on your trauma andyour experience and how you've
been able to process and reactto certain things neurologically

(17:45):
down regulated, upregulatednervous system.
And so, um, and I had problemswith addiction when I was
younger and I used to downregulate my nervous system with
alcohol, uh, and so, um, yearslater, I mean to be able to work
with something like this.
It seems like it just smoothedeverything out and the shamans
in the Amazon would tell me youknow, the walk through hell is

(18:07):
like, you know, number one, keepgoing.
But that makes life itself abit more of a gravy train
instead of.
You know, because you've beenable to deal with that much of a
issue.
And what I realized withIbogaine and walking through
hell for eight hours was allthat stuff was resided in my
nervous system.

(18:28):
Yeah, so I was already reactingto this stuff, unconsciously,
subconsciously that was alreadypart of my internal makeup.
So for me to come home, I meanI'm still integrating all my
ayahuasca experiences since 2006.
I've had a handful.
I haven't drank ayahuascaexperiences since 2006.
I've had a handful.
I haven't drank ayahuasca infour years or so, but I'm still
integrating the messages andwhatever the experience I was

(18:51):
going through, the ibogaine hasnoraibogaine that off-gases in
you for at least six months to ayear.
So it's still inside your systemand that's what they're
studying neurologically and howeffective it is.
I haven't done too much of thereading of the research.
I've just experienced it, yeah,directly that's sometimes the

(19:13):
best evidence right I mean me.
I'm kind of an anecdotal guymyself yeah, you know what's the
application in the real world.
Data is great, yeah, and ifit's backed up by experience,
it's even greater.
In my humble opinion.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
Yeah, um, so that medical setting, like do they do
any, whether it's with theshaman, or do they talk you
through anything, or is you'rejust on your own with your
thoughts?

Speaker 2 (19:39):
it's an amazing facility.
Uh, tom and talia run it.
Talia was a socialite from NewYork City and she was in the art
world and she got caught up inheroin and Iboga and Ibogaine
helped her.
And then Tom, he ran this.
He's ran multiple companies buthe had maybe you remember it

(19:59):
during COVID AO.
It's sold at Whole Foods.
It's a little herbal handcleanser spray.
I think it's EO.
He ran that company for manyyears and they were living in
Mill Valley.
They had the dream to open thisplace and they've done an
amazing job.
They raised the capital.

(20:21):
They bought a hacienda inCancun.
Cancun it is unscheduled, soit's Schedule 1 drug felony here
in the United States, not tomention you can't use it
medically.
And so in Cancun it'sunscheduled, and so they have
access to it.
They have 37 nurses that run inshifts and they have, I think,

(20:44):
three doctors.
Okay, the one doctor was kindof funny because he'd been using
it for 19 years but had neverdone it.

Speaker 3 (20:53):
I'm like man, you got to do it yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
You know, and I actually, after I did the
medicine, I came back and I go,this guy needs to do it, and I
could see him then putting onhis shaman makeup and getting
his little shakapa going,because he was that guy.
He just hadn't done themedicine you know, whether it
was a past life or something,and so the facility is amazing,

(21:20):
and I, over the years I'm 59 nowI don't go to doctors.
I don't have a lot ofexperience in the medical field
whatsoever, and so we don'teither.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
We're doctors like I, I refused my.
My wife wants me to get acolonoscopy.
I'm like I'm only 45.
She wanted me to get it beforeI even hit the age wow yeah I
love that.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
I'm pretty bad yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
Yeah, so you guys, you guys know what I'm talking
about.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
So uh.

Speaker 3 (21:50):
I just I just went to the optometrist for the first
time in 10 years.
Our other brother is anoculoplastic surgeon, so you
have to do ophthalmology firstand I posted about how this one
three month case case of dailycontacts I've had for like this
was like five years ago.
I've had them for five yearsand he was like dude, you can't

(22:12):
post that online.
You're a doctor.
I'm like well, where's theresearch?
They tell they.
The website says it's made ofbetter material than permanent
contacts were a couple years ago, but these are only good for
one day.
I'm like they just feel they'relike jeans, that you don't wash
jeans.
They're just more comfortablethat way.
So like, if I just take themout at night and put them back

(22:32):
in, they're more comfortablethan a new pair in my eyes.
So I just I just went to theoptometrist for the first time
in 10 years.
I was gonna.
I brought a couple of mycontacts to, just so they can
see the scripts, and I waslooking at it.
I was like, oh shit they're.
They expired in 2022.
They expired three years ago,but they can do enough testing

(22:56):
without these.
Uh, figure out my, what myscript is.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
So I just got.

Speaker 3 (23:01):
I just got finally got new set of contacts for six
months and I'll try to use themfor less than the expiration
date.
But they gave me a couple fivepack samples.
I'm like these samples areprobably good for a year for me,
as long as I don't lose them.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
But that's, that's funny, yeah well, yeah, I mean,
whatever my uh psychologicalbent towards that situation,
even with eyesight, I mean I hadgreat eyes, I had eagle vision
up until I was 45 and then, uh,it's definitely been declining.
I think a lot of it has to dowith the phones and I sat next
to an ophthalmologist on a planeride one time and talk to him

(23:44):
about a lot of stuff and I thinkyou know, the corneas wear out.
Yeah, they dry out, and so Ialso know that once you start
wearing glasses, that it weakensyour eyes, and so I've got this
like phobia about gettingglasses all together I got some
readers and I got some blueblocker readers as well, and so
I do use them occasionally, uh,but I am on the phones for

(24:05):
business and so I'm like uh,anyways, I got.

Speaker 3 (24:10):
I got the blue blocker, uh glass shield for my
phone.
I don't know you might want tolook into that.
That way it's.
It's right on your phone.
Yeah, so do you see it well?

Speaker 1 (24:19):
yeah, yeah, it doesn't do anything.

Speaker 3 (24:20):
That's why I'm like is it really blocking anything?
So um, but I figured, insteadof getting glasses I would just
put it right on my phone.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
Yeah, I'm just reticent to kind of weaken
anything with any kind ofexternal exogenous synthetic
anything.

Speaker 3 (24:40):
That's just the way I'm being.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
So my point is is I never spent that much time with
that many nurses and thesepeople are amazing.
They're like angels.
I was like holy shit, I, I was,uh, I was walking backwards,
because I like to walk backwardsfor my hip flexors and my knees
and stuff it actually worksreally well, do you?

Speaker 1 (24:57):
know this the knees over toes.
No, knees over toe, guy benpatrick, was it rogan?

Speaker 2 (25:01):
keeps on talking about.
Yeah, ben patrick, the kneesover toes guy, he's been on
rogan, yeah.
So I've been walking backwardsfor, uh, the last few years and
it's really helped my hipflexors, my knees.
How often do you do it?

Speaker 1 (25:11):
you gotta check out what that looks like.
I was gonna actually search itand start doing it because he
keeps on saying it and, like allthe people that come on and
talk about mobility and health,always it started they start
talking about the knees overtoes thing.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
Yeah it's, it's phenomenal.
Um, so I started doing it acouple of years ago and the best
way to do it is, uh, just dothe gym warmup five to 10
minutes and do it on a.
I do it on the max incline, so25 or whatever, and then I do it
.
About 0.9 or 1.1 is my pace.
I'm getting older but it worksgreat and you have to watch it,

(25:50):
um, because you can trip in.
Your vestibular system is, youknow, it's constantly balancing
you, and so it it helps with theneurological like it takes a
lot of energy to walk backwards,and so, uh, so I was in Cancun.
Um, I love to walk barefoot, uh, on the grass, and they've got

(26:11):
a patch of grass and I waswalking back and forth backwards
and there was a rose bed orsomething and I tripped on it
and there was a fence and I cutmy hand and so I'd never been
around nurses or whatever.
So I was like, help me aroundnurses or whatever.
So I was like, help me, and theybandaged me up and it was
amazing and I I just felt solike, uh, luxurious and like
really cared after, and actuallythey, they prescribe you a

(26:32):
nurse for your whole trip, right, eight hours, one person, and
they're like angels and so andthe doctors are there, but
they're there less because thenurses you guys probably know
this as doctors the nurses doall the monitoring, yeah, and
the doctors I think they havethree of them, so they're one
they kind of come on call, uh,and I think they're only doing

(26:54):
one to three patients a day,okay, for the actual trip, and
they have, uh, I think, uh,they've got seven, maybe they've
got 15 or 20 beds.
So I think they're opening up anew facility as well.
But it's the first time I'vebeen in a medical facility and I
spent a week there two years ina row and it's just amazing the

(27:17):
care that's down there.
It's not cheap, right, it's nota cheap date.
I think it's $10,500 for sevendays and $15,000 for 10 days but
the care is phenomenal.
The food's all organic, theyhave art therapy, they have
breath work, they have qigong,they have yoga, they have all

(27:39):
the psychological circles,journaling.
They have all the aftercarethat you need to take home and
change your lifestyle, becauseif you're getting off heroin.
You probably need to change yourfriends and get a few new
habits, because it definitelygets you off heroin.
All the chemical dependency isgone.

(28:00):
It's guaranteed.
That's the miracle of it andthat's why Rick Perry, the
miracle of it and that's why, uh, rick perry and uh, um, some of
these other politicians, uh,including that lawyer from
arkansas, wants to bring it inbecause we have so much homeless
and the fentanyl situation isout of control.

Speaker 3 (28:17):
Oh, it's crazy.
That's why I left california.
Yeah, I bet you it's going toshow up even more for Adderall
in the future.
There's such a high percentageof people, Even in med school.
You're just like how manypeople are on this stuff, Forget
about med school.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
Everyone's trying to be a high performer.
We're talking about kids andyou just build a huge tolerance,
so it's just like some peopleare like what Half our workers
are like?
Really Adderall yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
Because that's methamphetamines.
Yeah, it's speed Speed, I meanspeed kills because you don't
eat nutrients.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
And just your heart's racing at an obnoxious rate,
which is not good, and youcompound that over time.
So it's just yeah.
And it's so crazy how manypeople are on it.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
Well, that's the one thing that I studied in college.
I took a class called Drugs andHuman Behavior and the one
thing that I learned in thatclass was don't mess around with
speed because you don't eat andmost people it's just a
downward cycle.
Are they finding that that'shappening with people on
Adderall?
Or can you eat on it?
Did they tweak the drug enough?

(29:24):
No, no.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
They actually use it for finding that that's
happening with people onAdderall, or can you eat on it?
Did they tweak the drug enough?
No, no, they actually use itfor appetite suppressant.
You could use it for weightloss, yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
Like most of the supermodels and stuff they
probably like.
They're all on it, yeah, orMiss America Sharon.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
Osbourne yeah, have you seen her lately?
No, ozzy Osbourne's wife yeah,she's ozzy, she's ozzy, yeah,
yeah, yeah, we're starting tosee the ugly side of some of
these things coming out into oursociety people don't know how
to balance it.

Speaker 3 (29:51):
Some people just go crazy with it.
They're like, oh, I gotta getthinner, I gotta get thinner.
Like even when I was in goodshape, like in undergrad
wrestling, it was just like Iwas always like, oh, I gotta get
a little more cut up, gotta geta little more cut up.
But um, I just constantly checkmy body composition.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
If you know, I, I take it, I dose, I play around
with dosage and, like you know,I, I check my body composition.
I have with those epic yeah, Icheck my if I'm losing muscle
mass.
I like stay off of it, so doyou it controls my sugar really
well.
Do you microdose it?

Speaker 2 (30:27):
Yeah, microdose it, Because I've heard about that
but I know nothing about it.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
Yeah, it just controls your sugar, and
controlling your sugar is goingto be anti-inflammatory and
that's why they're finding allthese added benefits.
I know there's a lot of peopleagainst it, but it's preventing
cardiac disease, alzheimer's andarthritis.
It's anti-inflammatory justbecause your sugars aren't

(30:51):
bouncing all over the place andstaying pretty much regular.
So that's one of the ways it'shelping overall health.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
So what's the happy medium then?
Because I mean she's lookingpretty bad.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
Well, yeah, well, that that's the thing.
Like some people are taking itto lose 5-10 pounds, which, like
there's a lot of other thingslike you could do to lose 5-10
pounds, like, and some of thesepeople they they got body
dysmorphic disorder.
Like she's got body dysmorphicdisorder where it's she's taking
too much of a dose because,like what, what we use in our

(31:32):
clinic, it's usually take ituntil you're like eating half
the amount you're used to eatingand you've, you know, until you
.
And if you've reached your goalweight, you should start
dialing back and trying to comeoff of it.

Speaker 3 (31:47):
Yeah, we establish ideal weight, like to start,
like, go over goals like whatthey're looking to achieve, and
monitoring regularly, and we dothe body composition for all of
them too.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
Yeah, we check their body composition to make sure
they're not overdoing it and,just like you know, some people
just use it as their crutch andthey're eating garbage and, like
I talked to them about you know, no processed foods and sugar
like no sugars.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
Simple carbs.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
Yeah because that's the way you're not going to keep
muscle and you can't lie.
You get on that scale.
You can tell You're like allright, you're just losing muscle
mass, like you shouldn't be onthis medication because you
don't know what you're doing,you're not living a healthy
lifestyle and although it'shelping you and weight wise, it
could be detrimental to youbecause once you're off of it

(32:39):
like especially like the fdatook it off the shortage list so
a bunch of people aren't ableto get it now they're going to
gain that weight back and it'sgoing to be even worse because
now they're going to gain allthat muscle that they had.
It might not be much, butthat's even turned into fat and
it's going to take much more totry to turn that back into

(32:59):
muscle.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
So what's the age, demographic of people you're
working with, all over, all over.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
All over.
Yeah, I've treated people asyoung as 16 who you know.
I treated them for a buttinfection and, like you know,
reconstructed them with thegeneral surgeon, and you
continue to have issues with it.
I'm like you're not going toget anywhere unless you lose

(33:28):
weight.
So, um, and we tried to get itthrough insurance for him, and
tried multiple times.
The insurance company wouldn'tagree to it.
Now the kid's lost like 150pounds on it, in great shape,
much happier kid.
He was 16.
He was getting bullied all thetime, unhappy with himself.
Now he's lost almost 150 pounds.

(33:49):
He's more active and just amuch happier kid.
It was just like you know, soso what?

Speaker 2 (33:58):
was he eating to?
He was what was he like?
250, 275 pounds.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
He was about 300, yeah, 300, yeah, I think he hit
max 310 so okay, yeah how tallum, he was 510 and what was he
eating?

Speaker 2 (34:16):
or was it emotional, or you guys?

Speaker 1 (34:19):
emotional um, we didn't get.

Speaker 3 (34:21):
It becomes habitual, I think if you go over bmi of
like 30, it's.
It's just habitual things thatlike build up over time, like it
talked to a lot of people, likeeven outside the clinic and
like look at him, they're likereally overweight.
It's like, but I, I don't eatmuch, like your body's telling

(34:41):
me otherwise.
Um, so I don't know.
I think it's habitual, and thenlike some reluctance to admit
to what's what they're doing andwhat's wrong with it so then it
just keeps cycling in thatdirection I think ibogaine would
probably help

Speaker 1 (34:56):
them too, because I I think it's a huge addiction
issue.
Yeah, um, we treat a lot ofpatients that have gone through
bariatric surgery.
There's the motivated ones thathave lost tons of weight on
their own and you know, weoperate on them, take off the
excess skin and they bounceright back and they're, you know
fully functional.

(35:16):
Then you got the patient wholike, had bariatric surgery.
What is bariatric surgery?

Speaker 3 (35:23):
That's the weight loss surgery that they have
Bypass like stomach bypass.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
Staple their stomach or bypass the intestines so that
they don't absorb the food orthey just can't eat as much
because they fill up At first.
some people get, you know, someof the surgeons make sure the
patients are able to lose someweight on their own, but others

(35:49):
they're like you know they justoperate on them and like they
just depend on that as a crutch.
They still, you know, with goodsurgeons and good follow-ups
they still lose a decent amountof weight.
Good follow-ups, they stilllose a decent amount of weight.
But you know they can never getto that like the person that's
like highly productive andmotivated.

(36:10):
So then you operate on them andlike sometimes they end up in
the hospital for five, sevendays just taking pain medication
.
Where you know like there's themotivated people they're like
up and ready to go the next dayyou know um so, and I think the
addiction becomes a part of it.
And usually we see this, youknow, even after getting out of

(36:33):
the hospital refills for painmedication, stuff, you know we
we do it up to the second week,but after that we like cut it,
cut it off most of our patientsare only on there for three to
five days.
Yeah, most of our patients, yeah, and we've, we, we, we do a
recovery system where thepatients usually have tons of

(36:56):
their medications left, but when, when we were doing them on
some of these more obesebariatric patients, they were,
you know, they were asking forit even after two, three weeks
so you think there's underlyingaddiction, whether yes it's food
or sugar, fake sugars yeah, sofood colorings plus drugs

(37:17):
probably yeah so there's, yeah,it's just that that part of the
however, they're not addicted todrugs that like, yeah, it's
just that part of the.
However, your dopamine receptors, even if they're not addicted
to drugs like, yeah, it's adopamine, they're prone to it.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:29):
And the one thing about like Ozempic and the
GLP-1s.
They do help people withaddiction like cocaine, alcohol
cigarettes.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
Really, that's like Ibogaine, yeah, so it's like.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
Ibogaine light.
I mean it does have, like it'snot as effective.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
It's like the walk through hell.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
Yeah, they're already living in hell, yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:56):
But yeah, so I think it's like Ibogaine light because
it does have some effect on theneural process.
So like, yeah, their data ispretty strong, like for
cigarettes someone activelytrying to quit even with patches
they were twice as likely to besuccessful if they were on a
glp-1 and that's for cigarettes.
But their strongest data iswith alcoholics.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
Cocaine is the strongest.
I know they were studying withalcoholics too.
Yeah, yeah, it's making a majorchange, so let's circle back a
little bit.
So what got you into the healthand wellness?
How did you change over to that?

Speaker 2 (38:36):
Well, I had my own digestive issues and I was a
fashion model.
I was a Versace model.
Back in the late 80s, early 90s.
I went out to milan, italy, and, um, that's a pretty cutthroat
industry, yeah you know, and Iwas bloating and digestive
issues.
I had asthma when I was youngeras well and I grew up on
captain crunch and pop tartslike everybody else here.

(38:58):
You know, actually the food, Ithink, was still a little bit
better than it is today, likeit's out of control.
Oh yeah, genetically modifiedorganisms didn't get introduced
in glyphosate, I think late 80s,early 90s, so we're in a
different era completely.
The amount of seed oils, yeah,I think we were still using lard

(39:20):
and other things back then aswell, but no canola oil and all
that stuff got really heavilymarketed.
Since I was a child, um, and soI was, I had digestive issues.
I was bloating and you knowwomen understand this because
they get their period and theycan bloat yeah, um, but my
agents were like, oh honey,you're fat and I, you know, I

(39:44):
wasn't fat yesterday.
I was like God, what's wrongwith me, you know, yeah, and
just eating pizza and beer.
It took me years to puttogether the gluten piece, yeah,
and that was a major triggerfor me.
Like now I don't mess withgluten, it's like alcohol.
It's like I'll get a hangover,multiple day hangover if I mess
with gluten.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
clear on that for myself is gluten as bad here as,
like, if you go overseas orsomething?

Speaker 2 (40:10):
oh, I've got clients that go to italy and eat pizza,
pasta and ice cream and loseweight.

Speaker 3 (40:16):
That's what I've heard like go to a european
country.
This is technically the samethings but nowhere near the same
reaction to it I.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
I say you, you know like I probably have a gluten
allergy, but like it's not Ithink everybody does to a degree
.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
Well, it's a glyphosate allergy, is what it
really is yeah.
So, they're spraying thatherbicide on everything these
days.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
Yeah, like your rings don't fit the next day, you
know, and when I go to Europe Idon't have that issue Like.
I eat whatever but Europe.
I don't have that issue.
Like I eat whatever, but likeI'm always low carb.
But even if I eat carbs I don'tfeel horrible, you know.

Speaker 3 (40:53):
Well, you eat the simple carbs here, your body
shuts down Like mid-lunch.
You're like oh, crap.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
Yeah Well, I pretty much just fast all day because
of that and I've been juicingfor 35 years so that was 35
years ago, so years.
So that was 35 years ago.
So I learned about herbalmedicine, I learned about
fasting, I learned about juicing, I learned about whole foods.
So I was like farmer market.
I've never been to a farmer'smarket.
it was italy they're everywhere,yeah right big ones, yeah, and

(41:22):
so that's where people get theirfood.
Italians love food and so, um,I started applying some of the
things.
I went down to the englishbookstore, bought a couple books
.
Yeah, started started applyingsome of the things.
I went down to the Englishbookstore, bought a couple books
, started applying them.
One of the books I bought wasBack to Eden, jethro Kloss.
He was a doctor in the 1800sand people would be suffering

(41:43):
and they wouldn't be able tosolve the problem and they'd
call Jethro and Jethro wouldcome across the prairie on his
horse and give him an herbalenema or something like that
clear the channels.
And lo and behold, you know,jethro was the guy.
You can still buy this book.
They used to sell it at almostevery health food store.
It's a family heirloom from1840s.
And so I read that and readabout herbs and I was like wow,

(42:05):
and One of the herbs wasdandelion.
Right, I was like oh, it's adiuretic, oh, I'm bloating.
Let me try that.
Sure enough, I tried it and itworked like a charm.
I urinated more, the water wentout of my face and I took that
for years and, lo and behold,it's a liver tonic, and I was
drinking like a fish back thentoo, and so, between that and

(42:26):
juice fasting, I was able to getresults, and um and so then
it's just been trial and errorever since I finally sobered up.
I got out of the modelingindustry.
I think we're seeing a lot ofwhat's going on with the diddy
parties right now and jeffreyepstein, and there was an
undercurrent of that in myindustry, yeah, yeah, and I

(42:47):
don't play any of those types ofgames.
You know, I'm a straightheterosexual man and homosexuals
were everywhere and it was kindof sexual innuendos and I think
they call that what is that?
Sexual discrimination?
Now, yeah, you know, and, butyou didn't say stuff for risk of
your career.
But you know, you let it go,you just let it go and um and so

(43:12):
.
But now with the Diddy partiesyou know, I see that, that, you
know that was people that were,that were successful.
You're like, oh yeah, they'resleeping at so-and-so agent or
whatever.
So I was able to, uh, um, gothrough that career and, um, I
started drinking a lot becauseof that reason, because I give

(43:33):
it the old college try and Iwant to do the best I can at
anything.
I had a couple Versacecampaigns, which is the height
of the whole fashion industry,and so drugs and alcohol were
everywhere and if I couldn't getthe jobs that I wanted and get
the career that I wanted, I justkept on drinking, partying.
So I finally sobered up.

(43:53):
I found Vipassana meditation.
I sat 10-day courses ofmeditation in silence.
That's one of the main thingsthat got me sober.
It took me four and a halfyears to get sober, going in and
out of AA and applying some ofthose principles.
I think there's some goodprinciples, but I also think
there's a lot of sick people inthere and they're kind of trying

(44:14):
to guide other sick people.
And so and so you know there'stools in the toolbox.
I take what's useful, I discardthe rest.
I make it my own.

Speaker 3 (44:23):
I went to a couple of meetings and it's just like the
experience I had in there.
It's just like the experience Ihad in there was just like a
lot of people just got up andtold funny drunken stories.
I'm like, how's this going tobe helpful?

Speaker 2 (44:39):
Yeah, I mean, I think people need to be heard.
Number one, number two it hassome value but, like I said, it
wasn't for me.
But it took me about four and ahalf years using that tool to
sober up and actually it wasmeditation that I heard about
step 11 in the AA rooms.
That actually really helped me,because whenever someone would

(45:00):
talk about step 11, they had acertain je ne sais quoi, they
had a certain way of being and Iwas like, hmm, that looks good
and I started meditating and itinstantly helped me.
And then somebody turned me onto these Vipassana courses
taught by my teacher.
S N Goenka came out of India,burma.

Speaker 3 (45:18):
What is it called again?

Speaker 2 (45:19):
Vipassana.
Okay, v-i-p-a-s-s-a-n-a.
It's what the Buddha discoveredunderneath the tree, and you
can find it at dhammaorg,d-h-a-m-m-aorg.
I've sat 11 of them.
The first time it was like apsychological lobotomy.
It was like a truck of griefwas just lifted off.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
They actually have it on the brain tap.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
Okay, yeah, so that really catapulted my healing.
And um, um, that was, I think,1999.
And then, uh, and then I wasworking with an herbal company.
Somebody turned me on.
I'd been studying herbs formany years and then somebody
turned me on to an herbalcompany in the amazon rainforest

(46:03):
and that's the strongest plantson the planet.
Yeah, 42% of all drugs, 25% ofall cancer drugs, get their
impetus from rainforestbotanicals.
So I was studying withherbalists and ethnobotanists
and then I went down to theAmazon and met our vendors,
which are the Shipibo Indians,and their herbal lore is more

(46:25):
profound than Chinese medicine,which is written.
The Shipibo don't write downtheir language and they drink
the ayahuasca and they carry the, the, the, the lineage of
ayahuasca, and so had someprofound experiences from that.
And I started working withMaori indigenous healers as well
.
They use the body, yeah, theystep on the nerve centers, they

(46:47):
can break the bones and resetthem, and I witnessed many, um,
powerful healings with them.
I worked with them for 25 years.
Um, then I got married and hadchildren that's, that'll keep
you on your toes.
Yeah, for sure, and so, uh, Ihad three very profound visions
in the Amazon in 2006.
One of them was an amalgamationof my on-camera career I was

(47:10):
doing stand-up comedy at thetime in Hollywood and all my
natural medicine studies thatI'd been doing since I'd been in
front of the camera, and thecertified health nut was born in
the Amazon.
That's been unfolding for thelast two decades.
And the second one was thevision of my daughter.
That came to me in ceremony andI wasn't married at the time, I

(47:31):
wasn't even in a relationship,and so my daughter will be 14
right now.
She was my second child, so myfamily's been unfolding and the
third vision I had in the Amazonin 2006 was that humanity makes
it from the precipice ofecological disaster that we find
ourselves at.
I came out of the jungle and Istarted really investigating not

(47:53):
only geopolitics but kind ofthe way of the world, and I read
a book called Confessions of anEconomic Hitman by John Perkins
and he worked for the WorldBank and he did all these loans
to Ecuador and Panama and someof these drug interactions that
were played out on narcos aswell.
And these governments, andbasically wherever there's

(48:14):
natural resources, we're goingto go take that, and Halliburton
and Bechtel are going to getthe, the loans.
And then Dick Cheney is the, youknow the vice president of the
United States and he's runningHalliburton and you know.
And then you've got Iran, iraq.
So you've got Saudi Arabia isnumber one oil producer.
Iran is number two.

(48:35):
Iraq is number two.
Iran is number three.
Number four is Venezuela.
Everybody see what happeneddown there.
Number five is Ecuador, numbersix is Peru.
So that was me and the AmazonOil exploration is one of the
main deforestation components.
I come out of the jungle afterdrinking ayahuasca, heart wide
open, flipped on, and I seemountains of sawdust and

(48:56):
two-by-fours going up to HomeDepot and me, as a man, I go.
I got a responsibility for that.
It's up to me.
Who else is going to save theplanet or whatever?
And so I started researching.
All this Oil exploration is thenumber one deforestation
component of the Amazon.
We all hear about thedestruction of the rainforest,
the coral reefs, what'shappening on the planet.
And I drank all this ayahuascaand I'm pretty awake now, did a

(49:18):
lot of meditation, worked withthe Maori healers, and so I go.
You know, this is myresponsibility.
And so I started doing researchand then, at the same time, I
watched what happened in 9-11.
And then I watched us go intoAfghanistan and then, all of a
sudden, I voted.
I was like, all right, barackObama, the black man in the

(49:39):
White House, we're progressing.
And then I watched more warshappen on his watch.
And then I watched Syria and Iprotested Syria.
I was like that's not America.
What are we doing over there?
Oh, in Afghanistan and Syria,these are pipelines.
This is how to get the oil outof the earth and then get it out
to market.
And so so I, I startedadvocating for free energy,

(49:59):
which is Tesla technology.
He was uh, he was, he was uh,sponsored by JP Morgan, who was
the big industrialist in theearly 20th century.
And so, uh, you know my fourmajor solutions for saving
planet earth, and I run forpresident of planet earth every
time the uh, every time thecircus comes to town, uh, but
it's a real platform, right?

(50:21):
And actually, if you didn't getthe memo, I've been president
of planet earth for the lasteight years.
But it's free energy self-care,when we teach children how to
take care of their real estatethey naturally want to take care
of their local real estate andthey know they're connected to
the all.
And I like to say that no one'sfree until we're all free.
We're all one or none, as RabbiHillel taught Jesus.

(50:43):
And so we're all connected,we're all.
There is no separation.
And so free energy, self-care,education, permaculture, food's
free.
We get that seed in the ground.
Maybe it takes a little moneyto bring to market.
But what's money?
Money's fake.
Right now it's the petrodollarright.
You've got the oil oligarchy.
It's got everything set uparound that and not that John D

(51:11):
Rockefeller and his monopoliesare a bad thing.
It's allowed us to do manifestdestiny.
But what's what's up now?
Now that we're connected withthe internet and we're all
connected, we're all one and ourresources are coming out of
africa.
Where's the lithium and thecobalt coming for our electric
cars and all of our cell phones?
What little black children fromafrica?
What if that was your child?
So it's up to us.
We're all connected.
So this is kind of my bent, andyou asked me about natural

(51:35):
medicine and how I got into thatand became the certified health
nut, and this is theaccumulation of it.
So free energy, self-care,education, permaculture and the
gift economy.
I do believe that all brothersand sisters have their own
unique gift from God and I dobelieve that we can all give
that in exchange and we can maketechnology our whipping boy

(51:55):
instead of the other way around.

Speaker 3 (51:57):
And.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
AI coming like the.
Terminator.

Speaker 3 (51:59):
Hard and fast.
Yeah, hard and fast, right?
You see, some of those robots.
A friend always sends me anylike advanced robot.
He sends it to me like the onerunning like 60 miles an hour
through a rainforest is likewe're dead, we're dead, we're
all dead.
And I get one of these from himlike every year.
It's like, oh my god, did yousee the new generation?

(52:21):
I'm like, freaking, stop it,dude.
It's like imagine this thingwith a machine gun on it well,
here's what I ask people toimagine.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
Imagine ai goes oh, that's not right, let's flip
this switch, that switch andhumanity's free.
How about that?
There's two forces that areguiding everything, yin and yang
, up and down, black and whitemasculine feminine inhalation,
exhalation catabolic, anabolic.
So I believe in the freedom ofhumanity, I I believe in the
sanctity of human life and lifeon earth and I do believe that

(52:51):
we can change everything, yeah,so you're an optimist.
Overall, I'm an eternaloptimist, that's right.

Speaker 3 (52:57):
Same here.
Same here, even though I can bea negative ninny.
Oh yeah, you know can get darkat times, but like got to
sometimes be realistic but likethe hope for the future.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
It's always there.
I'm an eternal optimist.
I've actually seen the vision.
The third vision that I see isthat humanity makes it.
And so my mission is to raisehuman consciousness.
My vision, my mission is toraise human consciousness and
change all systems.
So farming, media, commerce,economy, everything needs to
change.

(53:27):
And so education, especiallywith Waldorf education.
I'm living proof, my childrenare living proof, that this type
of brain development in artschool can actually grow
children that can think for thefuture of humanity.
And then my vision is clean air, water, soil and equitable
systems for all of mankind in mylifetime.

Speaker 3 (53:50):
It's doable.
I really think it's doable.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
I postulate that peace and harmony is completely
doable.
Yeah, absolutely.
If the Wright brothers wantedto fly like an eagle and we
called them crazy and said thatman will never fly, and Steve
Jobs can put a handheld computerin every man's hand so he can
change the world, then we can dowhatever the mind can conceive
and believe and achieve.

Speaker 3 (54:11):
I agree with that completely.
Um, on the educating the nextgeneration, I shot a series of
videos.
I haven't edited them yet, butmy my way to help was I was
thinking like I'm I'm reallygood with kids and like teaching
kids, because I found out, likehow much a kid can learn is.

(54:32):
I was studying for my yearlyexam for plastic surgery and
this chapter I was on is aboutthe mandible, like fractures in
different areas of the mandible,first of all, like what each
area is called, then thefractures on each, each portion,
and how you treat it and whichoptions are best.
And my daughter was four at thetime and she came by and I was

(54:53):
like, if I can teach her, then Iknow this information, like
cold, and we just went throughit and at the end of like 45
minutes together she was able togive that.
She was like, oh, this is thispart of the mandible.
I was like Sarah, come watch.
She's like, oh, yeah, this isthis part of the mandible.
Oh, if you get a fracture there, this is how you should treat

(55:15):
it.
But you could do this and thistoo.
I was like, oh my God, I wasjust like thinking more and more
about it.
I think the more we educate kidswith human anatomy and
physiology and how the bodyworks early, they'll make better
decisions from a younger age.
But I highly doubt, like whatthe way the school systems are,

(55:36):
you're going to be able to addanything.
So that's why I shot the videos.
I'll probably have to reshootthem, but, um, once those are
edited I'll get them out.
And nice part is I have acouple friends in animation that
are going to add their littlebit to it.
So hopefully it'll be just afun little series and, if it
works, go on to the next chapter.
Teach a little more, go alittle more in depth, because I

(55:58):
think within, by the age of 16,anybody can learn the med school
level anatomy and physiology.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
Well, I think that goes back to what Steiner was
all about.
These are little geniuses, andwe are.
It's not so much that we'redumbing them down, but I mean,
rockefeller gave a lot ofthought to this right.
The King of Prussia and allthat whole system was brought
over here to make good factoryworkers, not intelligent human
beings.
And so when you're not cramminglinguistics and mathematics

(56:36):
into their head while theircreative centers are developing,
then they have the ability tosee these things in a different
way.
And then, once they start toget into a more abstract thought
and book and logic and reasonand these types of things, they
can put the experiential,visceral, artistic, creative

(56:58):
side to it and dream theimpossible dream, which is the
biggest thing.
For problem solving, you haveto think outside of the.
Boxstein said that, uh, youcan't solve a problem at the
same level of the mind thatcreated it.
Number one, and that's whatwe're still trying to do.
You got any scientific researchfor that?
And then, uh, he also saidwe're only human beings, are

(57:20):
only using five percent of thebrain.
The I think the dolphins areusing about ten percent, and
they've got a system that makesradar look like child's play,
right, so imagine what the braincan do if we really truly open
it up.
And children are geniuses yeah,they're absolute geniuses and I

(57:41):
think that we just dumb themdown and fill them up with a
bunch of stuff that doesn't makea difference.

Speaker 3 (57:45):
Yeah, and it's all like just standardized stuff,
correct, this is what you'resupposed to know.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
It's like well, everybody knows it my daughter
didn't like me at the eighthgrade because montessori, uh,
first of all, they, the teacher,uh, the teacher conference,
they, the children, are the onesthat speak, which I think is
great.
But she brought up all thisstandardized stuff and she said
that, uh, we, um, um, here's myone project.

(58:13):
That is all about um, uh.
It was like what was it?
Disillusion or no, it was someterm.
And I was like, well, what doesthat mean?
And she had to look it up.
And I made her look, look it up.
And I was like I'll wait.
And then they studied genocideand I said, well, what about the
Armenian genocide, the KhmerRouge?

(58:35):
She studied part of that and Iwas hard on her.
And I wasn't that hard on her,I just asked her a bunch of
questions.
I'm like a kid, I'm veryinquisitive.

Speaker 3 (58:44):
I'm trying to find out.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
Who funded the camille rouge?
What is?
What is communism?
Where do these ideas come from?
That's all I asked and she was.
She thought I was just going tobe like and so, but.
But she went home and studiedall that and came back and had
the answers for me the next daybecause she was, so you know,
taken aback.
Yeah, the teacher was like, oh,my god.
But, um, I'm the type of guythat's going to ask that

(59:09):
question because here I am.
I don't really believe in theeducational system in the first
place and I know I have a veryintelligent human being.
So they taught you to learnthis and you studied this.
Okay, what does that mean?
And come to find out, oh, thatwas just programmed in surface.
You don't even know thedefinition of the project that
you put together yeah, and sojust remembering facts,

(59:29):
remembering and reciting factscorrect, correct and so, um,
yeah, I forget what the the, itwas some kind of scientific term
solubility.
I was like, what does solublemean?
I was like what does solublemean?

Speaker 3 (59:46):
I mean I could think about it right now but I want
you to explain it to me rightnow.
I can't even describe it rightnow.

Speaker 2 (59:51):
Yeah, exactly, and you wrote a whole little booklet
about it Because I wanted tocatch her in just doing rote
learning.
And sure enough, it did and itquestioned her and she went home
and studied everything.
But she got the reason why Iwas asking her that Because if
I'm going to send you to schoolI'm going to want you to come
with the knowledge.
The application of theknowledge Makes sense, Not

(01:00:14):
memorizing yeah, that's notgoing to serve you in the real
world.

Speaker 3 (01:00:18):
No, even for, like our fields where it's test heavy
, like standardized tests forlike how many years, then during
school, during residency, afterresidency, our board exams,
it's all like multiple choiceand it's just.
The thing is, a lot of peoplewill go and just try to remember

(01:00:39):
the facts the first first time,or first two to three times.
I was just trying to get thebigger picture and then remember
the facts.
Because if I didn't get thebigger picture, remembering
random facts is just so much, somuch more difficult because I
didn't know how to like put itin context.

Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
But like, but like you see the bad surgeons like
they can't make a decision.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
Yeah, they read it in the book, but they don't know
how to apply it when it's likewell operating and also when I'm
thinking with you guys, when,when, when I'm talking to you,
it's like when you get out ofschool.
Okay, well, what's your bedsidemanner?

Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
yeah I mean, you guys are healers.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
Yeah, you're dealing with people and cutting them
open.
A human being like you have tohave knowledge beyond the book.
Yeah, yeah and so and then youknow when it comes to, you know
there's a lot of people becauseof fauci and the whole trust the
science thing.
What science are you talkingabout here?
Yeah, because we got newtonian,mechanistic, cartesian, you

(01:01:40):
know linear science.
Then we got quantum mechanics.

Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
We got uniform it's a field theory yeah, it's well.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
What angle are we talking about?
Science is the methodology ofobservation.
It's not just in the can and,like you said, you guys come out
of school with all the booksmarts.
You got to cut a human being upand sew him up and make sure he
can walk right.
You know, it's not just out ofthe book and I'm sure there is

(01:02:08):
some people who are a lot betterthan others.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
Yeah, oh, yeah Well even like what we were talking
about Even something squirtingblood like some people freak out
Me.
You know what to do.

Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
I'll put my finger on it and figure out how to
control it.
Yeah, you know it's prettysimple.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
Simple stuff like that.
They start freaking out andthen they start making mistakes.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
Well, it takes a certain human because I couldn't
handle it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:35):
Yeah, it's not for everybody, and not everybody
likes doing that kind of thing.
But to go to the bedside man, Ithink I didn't know what I
wanted to do until I went andvisited him in med school and
his talk to me was like dude,you guys just got to get your
act together.
Visited him in med school andhis talk to me was like dude,
you guys just got to get youract together and get get to med
school.
He's like look at these guys,they're going to be talking to
patients.

(01:02:55):
He's like, if these guys canlearn this and go actually have
an interaction with anotherhuman being, like you guys can't
do it.
I was like, oh yeah, it can'tbe that hard.
I don't know, I can definitelytalk but talk you guys are
extremely down to earth.

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
But we see the problem in the US healthcare
industry because we're plasticsurgeons.
But I seriously like do morethan people's primary care
physician, their endocrinologist.
I sit down and listen to themand see what's actually wrong
with them and try to you knowwhat's actually wrong with them
and try to, you know, get themto a good point like I.

(01:03:32):
I don't just go and likeperform plastic surgery or
reconstructive surgery just todo it.
I listen to them, I try tolisten to what they got and like
and because they got otherproblems it's not just the
problem they're coming to see mefor we try to solve as much as
we can with them, rather than,you know, their primary care can
spend like seven, eight minuteswith them and it's like oh,

(01:03:54):
you're hypertensive, here'sblood pressure medication.
Instead of finding out why theyhave high blood pressure,
instead of just prescribingmedications, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
But the system's all messed up too Well, I get that
I've interviewed whistleblowerspeople that worked at labs and
I've worked for a drug company.
Whistleblower Guy won a lot ofmoney working.
He became a lawyer on Bristol.
Squibb on their dollar andbecame a lawyer and then went

(01:04:27):
back and sued him.
Myra Squibb, on their dollarand became a lawyer and then
went back and sued him, and so,uh, it's so.

Speaker 3 (01:04:32):
that's another thing like medical science literature,
just the whole process, cause,like I was in a transplant lab
at Harvard for like close tothree years and transplant
transplant surgery.
Like I was working on researchrelated to hand and face
transplants, um so, hand andface really yeah, um face too.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
Is this for war-torn countries, or um no?

Speaker 3 (01:04:58):
this um like one series out of france.
They did it on people who shotthemselves in the face.
Um another one.
The first one was ripped apartby a chimpanzee.

Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
Yeah, chimpanzee burns.
Um, there was a recent one, theguy actually.
They did eyes and face.
Um, they did a complete facetransplant.
It's one of the first ones everdone and um, he, he was scared
to do it because he has, like Ithink it was a four-year-old
daughter that he hadn't evergotten to see, and like there's

(01:05:36):
a huge risk of death with it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:38):
And you've got to be on immunosuppressants your whole
life.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
Immunosuppressants for the rest of your life For a
face transplant.

Speaker 3 (01:05:43):
Yeah, yeah, because your skin's one of the most
immunogenic uh tissues in yourbody.

Speaker 1 (01:05:49):
You're like I think he had like a fungal infection
of the face or the sinuses andthat usually takes like lose
eyesight.
They take your eyes, everythinghow?
Did he get that um just beingimmunosuppressed like we've seen
it after with the facetransplant he got that before,
that was before the facetransplant with the burn and

(01:06:12):
well, it wasn't the burn, it washow he lost his face, like he
lost his eyes, his face.

Speaker 3 (01:06:17):
So then he needed a transplant after that, so like
but he had never gotten to seehis daughter, so that was like
the big part of it so the reasonI brought it up is, like a lot
of people like, whether it'slike pharmaceuticals backed, uh,
or big company backed research,it's not going with like a good

(01:06:38):
question to answer.
It's going with a purpose, likeI want to get this answer.
How am I going to get thisanswer?
Because if I don't, then itshows this doesn't work.
When I was trying to come upwith a few projects to go with
the, the principal guy at thatlab, david Sachs, is a
phenomenal researcher.
He was like why don't you?

(01:06:59):
He's like, why don't you ask agood question?
If you ask a good question, itdoesn't matter how the answer
turns out like, even if you'redead wrong.
How the answer turns out like,even if you're dead wrong,
that's still something peopleare going to want to know.
So that that had a huge impacton not just like how, like what
subjects I pursued to publishpapers on, but also how to like

(01:07:23):
rate other papers when I read itlike yeah, this I mean I'm a
little hyper analytical when itcomes to research papers I want
to like just just tear the wholething apart, um, but do you
find that you can often?

Speaker 2 (01:07:38):
yeah yeah, there's a lot of garbage being produced.

Speaker 1 (01:07:41):
There's so a lot of times there's, you know, in
plastic surgery world it's, youknow.

Speaker 3 (01:07:46):
People get published because of their name, no matter
what they publish um but alltheir medical and even though
the the whole like highereducation system works like if
you're a professor, you're gotyou got to publish to keep your
job and to get funding.
So that system it's a wholesystem, yeah, yeah, systemically

(01:08:07):
it's not ideal.
I don't know what would bebetter to replace it.
But now there's more and morelike open journals.
So it's not like and it's alsogated because all these journals
are peer reviewed, so they havea board that reviews the papers
.
So now with open sourcing, like, there's more and more of like

(01:08:30):
people putting out research andit gets published.
So then it's on the communityto try to.
Can you re?
Can you get the same data byfollowing the same procedures
this guy did?
And if you can, then it's likeokay, I second this and that's
another open source article, oreverybody's like.
We can't replicate this data.

(01:08:52):
So it's that kind of tells youit's bullshit.

Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
So, yeah, I can go on rants for yeah, yeah, they're,
they're, they're being you knowthey're being funded who?
They're being funded by who'swriting the papers like they can
like.

Speaker 3 (01:09:08):
I want to start my own thing called the certified
research net.
I love it.
All right, I think we're goingto wrap it up, I'm out.