More Years Only Matter When You Feel Good

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SPEAKER_02 (00:19):
So, like, I met Andy Elliott, and like I was like,
all right, this is and I hadbeen thinking about it.
I was like, all right, like Ineed to make a supplement.
I just want because like mycabinet's filled with all these
like supplements, and I'm takingdifferent ones.
And I usually get pretty happywhen I'm like, all right, that
one's off, didn't do too much,or that one I need to continue

(00:42):
taking.
Um, so some come off and then Icycle some on and off.
And so I was like, I gotta justput together something that I I
myself am gonna enjoy, and itit's gonna help out with
decreasing the amount of pills Itake, and you know, also for
hydration, daily hydration.
And and I'm always like workingon just boosting brain brain

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power one way or another,whether it's with meditation,
sleep, or supplementation.
I'm always like working how tomake that better.
So that that's how, and like Imet Andy Elliott.
I'm like, this is like perfectjump off to that.
And like I had been talking toone of my friends that does
startups in San Francisco, andwe just got this thing together,

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and we're about to, you know,it's a long time going.
We put so much stuff into it, ittook a lot of time to just get
it passed through theregulations and stuff because
there was such a big mix.
Um so it took a lot longer thanwe expected because you know,

(01:49):
something that you know takes, Ithink they said like 48 to 72
hours for passing regulations.
I think ours took like over amonth because we just had so
much stuff in there.
Um and they have to check likeif things are binding or gonna
decrease their effects andeverything.
So um, and all the compounds areyou know purified, well tested,

(02:12):
so you're not getting bunkmaterial either.
That's really cool.
And it's a lot of stuff that Ifound helpful, and and I do a
lot of research and whatever Itake anyhow, and like that's
where I've been like, all right,these are stuff that I need and
like a multivitamin or somethingthat I take every day.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (02:32):
I think that's sort of like the very definite
definition of being a biohackeris like doing a ton of research
on everything you put in yourbody or on your body, you know,
it was like deep dive.

SPEAKER_02 (02:40):
And like once I started building it, then you
know, like this IM8 came out andlike no vulse, yeah, um,
athletic greens.
I never, you know, like I I tooksome greens powder, but I never
took the athletic greens.
Um, it seemed like it was justtoo commercialized.
And whenever I looked at it,like a lot of the stuff, I'm

(03:01):
like, all right, 300 somethingcompounds, but like you're in
one little stack, you're likeour our scoops like bigger than
one of your protein scoops.
It's a large scoop that containsto contain all the compounds
that you need, you needsomething more solid.
Um so something that comes in asmall stick isn't gonna have

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what you need.
If it's 300 things, how much ofa each thing are you getting?

SPEAKER_06 (03:29):
Yeah.
Well, in AG1, they um consumer,I don't know if you ever read
consumer labs, but they foundlead, uh, I think it was lead in
AG1.
There's some other some othercompounds that were not so great
in there.
Yeah.
I've tried IM8, they sent me asample of that.
I really liked it, but I saw itmore as a multivitamin.

SPEAKER_01 (03:46):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (03:46):
Um, but I like that they're doing a lot of testing
and like astronauts and they'redoing all kinds of like very
interesting.

SPEAKER_02 (03:52):
But you take novos, right?

SPEAKER_06 (03:54):
I take novos, but I take that, I see that as like my
longevity.
Yeah, you know, so like that'syou know, the synolytics I get.
And um I was doing research onquercetin and I thought, well,
I'll it doesn't have that, soI'll add that to see if I get
any extra edge.
And it actually um I have agenetic SNP, the COMT SNP, yeah,
which slows down the clearanceof estrogen when you take

(04:15):
quercetin.
Oh, really?
And so I actually developed umuh estrogen dominance.
Yeah, yeah, and which I didn't,you know, it was just a really
bad bad experiment.
I didn't I didn't know.
So now I'm kind of like deepdiving into all of that stuff to
make sure I don't do anythinglike that again.

SPEAKER_02 (04:34):
Yeah, I I had a similar situation with something
else.
It was I I think I was overdoingit on curcumin, and I I didn't
know.
I was like, yeah, sometimes myliver enzymes were a little
high, but it's like they're likeeight hundreds to a thousand.
I'm like, what the hell is goingon?
Um, and one of my patients islike, oh, curcumin almost um

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threw me into liver failure.
I was like, uh just added that.
So I I was taking uh probablytoo much because like that's a
whole thing when you and that'swhy I wanted to create one
compound because it's like someyou know, some of the
supplements you want to takehave like a whole bunch of like

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everything, and then their othersubsupplements also got like a
bunch of the same things, andlike to overdo that.
Um, and that that's what washappening because I think I had
it, I was taking solid curcuminpills.
Um, and then it was also part oflike I think my morning shake or
something on top of it.

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So I think I was overdoing it,but yeah, like my liver enzymes
were high, and I was like, I Iknow like when I work out, like
they they run high.
It takes a while for my liver toclear them.
Not anymore, but like um and I Ithink at the time I probably had
fatty liver and stuff.

(06:00):
I was a little overweight, ummore than a little overweight,
but but uh I think that kind ofhad something to do with it as
well.

SPEAKER_06 (06:10):
I'm gonna say isn't there also um curcumin?
Well, I know turmeric can benotable like have a lot of lead
in it, right?
So but I don't know if when youtake the curcumin only if it
wouldn't have it though, right?
I don't I actually should neverright.

SPEAKER_02 (06:24):
I and I I took Thorn, which you know they got
bought out by Nestle, but at thetime they were Thorn and they
heavily test their stuff andthey were trustworthy brand.
So I I don't think it was fromtheir thing.
It was um I and then what I readis like I think it's like five,
five to or ten percent of thepopulation actually has like an

(06:44):
issue with um where you youcould go to uh into hepatitis
with um I've just started takingit.

SPEAKER_05 (06:54):
I'm gonna see my doctor in like November, so get
all my tests, so at least I'llknow.

SPEAKER_02 (06:58):
And I didn't even I didn't even feel weird or like
have any pains or anything, so Icouldn't even tell.
But if your liver's notfunctioning, you're obviously
sleep's not good.
A lot of other things aren'tworking well.
Yeah.
So yeah.
So what got you into this wholelongevity thing and how long
have you been doing it?

SPEAKER_06 (07:18):
Um so it depends on like I mean, I got into health
like in my 30s, so that was inthe what like 2000s, yeah,
around 2000.
Yeah.
Um, because I was um I had likereally bad acid reflux, and um I
had just been through like amarriage, a divorce, um, quit my
job.

(07:38):
I trained as a structuralengineer and then did this for
four years, and I'm like, Idon't, I don't want the I don't,
you know, I don't know what Iwant to do, you know.
And so I was just in I turned 30and um I had this acid reflux.
And so when I went to thedoctor, she's like, well, you
know, you're under a lot ofstress.
I was already on anantidepressant.

SPEAKER_01 (07:55):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (07:55):
And so she's like, well, here's your, you know,
here's a um antacid.
And then it was just kind ofimplied, like, oh, you're gonna
take these the rest of yourlife.

SPEAKER_01 (08:01):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (08:02):
Meanwhile, my neighbor is in like
pharmaceutical sales, and I'mkind of like, I don't, I don't
know.
Like, I just kept thinking inthe back of my mind, if my
stomach's upset over something,isn't it something I'm eating?
Yeah, like that's what just thisoverriding message.
And um, I wasn't okay with justbeing on medication the rest of
my life.
Not at age 30, you know, yeah,that doesn't seem sad.

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So um the school of naturopathicmedicine was there.
That was kind of this new thing.
Yeah, and I thought, well, I hadnothing to lose to go talk to
somebody.
And so she ran some tests, butalso in the meantime, just said,
you know, get off all wheat anddairy and see if that makes any
difference.
And sure enough, within twoweeks, I know acid reflux.
I lost like 10 pounds because Iused to be like, I don't know,

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40, 50 pounds heavier.
Yeah, you know, and I just wasand and she was asking me, like,
what do you do?
You know, and we what is yourdiet like?
Do you drink?
And I was like, Oh yeah, I drinka bottle of wine like every
night, you know, I'd beenthrough a divorce.
Yeah, so it was like it's youknow, the all these things like
mattered to her that I was like,Oh yeah, shouldn't my other
doctor be asking me thesethings?

SPEAKER_02 (09:04):
But not to put down like you know, the medical, like
and we we we see it.
We're allopathic, like we'reboth alipathic, but yeah, we we
see this side of things becauseuh for us look lucky to be in
our position is like with beingmainly cash pay, we do insurance
stuff as well.
But like, you know, I've alwaysbeen to into health and well

(09:28):
wellness, and like you know,we're we did look down on
naturopaths for a long time, butlike now, like they're they're a
bigger push.
And I send patients, you know,like more complex patients that
you know, I try to work throughtheir labs and get them like
situated.
And when I can't figure it out,or like I work with Krista and

(09:51):
like we both work together ontrying to see how we can figure
things out to make life better,rather than just putting them on
some medication, which they theycome in and they're like, Oh, my
PCP said to take this, yeah, andI don't want to take it.
And like, you know, and wherethe allopathic physicians like,
no, you got to take it, or theyjust tell them to go diet and

(10:14):
exercise and go meditate orsomething.

SPEAKER_06 (10:16):
Yeah, they don't give them a plan that's specific
to them and their issues, andbut I think that was the
thinking 20 years ago.
I mean, that's where you're 25years ago.
My brother was a med uh doctoras well, and he trained um, he
actually intentionally went intoER medicine, so he could kind of
avoid all of that, you know,because he's like you're needed
in the ER.
That's the one place you'rereally, really yeah, you know,

(10:37):
we shine in Western medicine.
So um no, there was like noproblem.
It was just like that's what wasgoing on then, and I wasn't
getting any answers.
And so um I was on anantidepressant at the same time.
So when I went back to see herfor my follow-up, she said,
Well, if you want to get off theantidepressant, you know, we can
put you on a nutraceuticalprotocol.

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And that was like this whole newterm to me.
I was like, What are you talkingabout?
And so she knows she put me onlike L-tyrosine and a bunch of
other, you know, a few otherthings.
And then I slowly tapered off.
Um and I was on like Venlifaxinefor, I don't know, a year to 18
months.
Yeah.
And I had no, like no withdrawalsymptoms, nothing.
I mean, I just went right off ofit, right in.
And um I just was shocked thatlike supplements could be as

(11:23):
effective.
Yeah.
Um, and so yeah, and then ofcourse I'm exercising and doing
all the things that she's askingme to do and um eating healthier
and all of that.
So I it just was impressed uponme.
Like if you have a problem,always kind of see figure out
what the root cause is.
What the root causes.
Yeah.
And you know, again, I don'teven know where the Institute

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for Functional Medicine was atthat point, but I think people
were beginning to kind of thinkthat way.
And um, so then um in my 40s, Ium my hair was like falling out
and I was really tired, likereally tired.
Um, but you know, mind you, myson was three, my brother, the
ER doctor, he had just passedaway very tragically.

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And um my I would go see thedoctor, just you know, just like
so tired, you know, and hair'sfalling out, and she's like, you
know, you're in grief, like, youknow, and you're taking care of
a three-year-old, you're fine.
And I'm thinking, something'snot right.
Like this is like bone tired,you know, like it just wasn't
right.
And um sure enough, I mean, Iwas lucky I had a friend, she

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just said, you know, you shouldjust go get tested for heavy
metals.
Yeah, yeah, you know, and so Iwent to she had a doctor who was
essentially practicingfunctional medicine, an MD.
Yeah, and um, she tested me andshe was like, Have you been
working in a Chinese factory?
You know, because I had just somany different heavy metals.
It wasn't just like lead andmercury, it was like antimony
and tungsten and like all likeall of them and several.

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And I was a ceramics major whenI first started college, and I
thought it was silly to wear amask when I mixed glazes, you
know.
And I traveled the world, I'm anadventurous eater, like, you
know, eat fish everywhere.
I miss the memo on fish and youknow, heavy metals.
So yeah.
So and then had some like dentalstuff.
So I was really like toxed up.

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And um when this had happened, Ihad actually just had my last
two mercury fillings removedbecause I knew that that was a
good idea, but um, I didn'tthink it was so bad when I
swallowed a tiny little chunk ofmercury when he was taking it
out.
I thought, you know, so that'swhat kind of like sparked the
whole thing, yeah, which I'mgrateful because then we did
chelation therapy and like,which I know can be like

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controversial for sure, becausewe like even in the middle of
like my chelation therapy, we Ikind of went sideways under her
supervision.
So I always tell people, don'tdo this at home, folks, because
definitely very, very, very,very dangerous if you do it at
home.
But anyway, um like six weeksinto it, I was driving home and
I remember like because youwould go in one day for the key

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leader, and then the next dayshe'd go back and she'd
remineralize me, you know, likebased on whatever I needed, you
know.
And um I was driving home and itfelt like like the clouds opened
up, you know, like it was um asif uh like I could see my
peripheral vision like opened upand like as if it really felt
like there was a cloud over methat was no longer like the

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world seemed brighter.

SPEAKER_01 (14:20):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (14:21):
And I just this um like low grade depression I had
had like my whole life was gone.
Like it was gone.
And I just was thinking, wow,there is something is you know
going on here.
And so I was I became veryobsessed with um detoxification
because she um was doing mygenetics at the time too, and so

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you know this MTHFR, you'regonna have trouble like
detoxifying, you need to takeyou know, be more careful about
that kind of stuff.
And and so I just thought, well,I can't, uh you know, we I think
I did 12 rounds of chelation.
Then she was like, you know,that's that's enough on the
body, like you everything youhave is in safe levels, but I'm
looking at every all of them andkind of going, well, what's the

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cumulative effect of having somany different metals?

SPEAKER_01 (15:06):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (15:06):
And so I just I became obsessed with researching
ways to constantly detoxify.

SPEAKER_01 (15:11):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (15:11):
And so in that process of always like looking
into doctors and what they'resaying and trying different
things on, somewhere in there, Ilearned about um fasting and
fasting and its role indetoxification.

SPEAKER_01 (15:24):
Right.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (15:25):
And I was like, oh, I can just fast and not take all
these supplements and not do alllike my body will do all the
detoxification work.
Like, I'm in, sign me up, andI'll lose some more weight.
I'm like, great, you know.
But then um right after that, Ilearned about Walter Longo's
fasting mimicy diet.
And then he was talking aboutits implications for longevity.
So that was the first time I waslike, oh, longevity.

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Yes, you know, putting that ideaof your health span, matching
your lifespan, maybe extendingit a little.
And then of course I read DavidSinclair, and you know, so then
I just became obsessed with likelongevity and synolytics and
this idea of detoxing yourzombie cells, and yeah, and so
um in that process.
So that was like in 20, let'ssay I came back from 2017,

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probably like 2018, 2019, 2020,somewhere in there.
And that's uh eventually I foundmy way to this company Novos and
the uh the rejuvenationOlympics.

SPEAKER_02 (16:20):
Okay, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
And and like what do you otherthan the detox definitely like
you feel like changed a lot.
You felt like definitely um andlike the fasting mimicking diet,
I've tried it once.
I haven't, you know, I haven'tgone back to it.
I I truly believe in it, but itit's just tough with I'm always

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afraid of like energy andoperating all day long.

SPEAKER_04 (16:48):
And yeah, um, because when I did it for the
five days, I didn't want youfasting if you were operating on
me.

SPEAKER_02 (16:55):
Yeah.
I I usually fast to like two,three o'clock in the afternoon.
Yeah, and I feel like my brainjust functions so much better.
Like I'll take a scoop of aminosand just eat it in the morning,
and like I take keto and estersall the time, um, which like
drive me right through withoutany issues.

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But like, yeah, when I when Igot home like six, seven, like
you just want to hit the sack,like you're done.
Yeah.
Um, and that's why I'm like, Iwant to do it, but then I don't.
So how often do you do it?

SPEAKER_06 (17:31):
I'm experimenting this year and I'm doing um a
fasting mimicking diet everythree months.
So I'll do another one kind ofhere right before Christmas.
But usually I only do them likebefore and after the holiday,
and maybe one more during theyear at the very most.
Um, but I had done fasting, youknow, up until that point.
Like I could get to like fourdays of water only fasting.

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But now we're kind of learningmaybe it's not so great for
women to go that long and yeah,you know, all that.
So I and I'm glad I listened tomy body because I remember just
like everyone would say, Oh no,once you get past four days,
you'll feel great.
And yeah, and I would get thatfeel great feeling, and then I
would start feeling bad again.
And I just think, like, thisisn't this isn't right.

SPEAKER_03 (18:10):
Do you do you do intermittent fasting throughout
the day?
Do you have a certain Yeah,yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (18:15):
So nowadays I just I mean, pretty like I pretty much
eat dinner at like five, fivethirty.
And I'm but I'm in bed like8:39, you know, and I'm up at 4
30.
Yeah.
So um, and I do have like alittle bit of something before I
work out nowadays, but um, likeit's just you know, collagen and
some other things in a a tea.

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Um, and then I go work out, andthen I really don't eat anything
until like 10 o'clock.
Okay.
I go I go always.

SPEAKER_03 (18:42):
Um you work you wake up at 4 30, and then you go work
out.
What what does your workoutconsist of?

SPEAKER_06 (18:50):
Uh is a different every day.
So like today was my VO2 max.
I'm always switching it up.
I'm always switching up likewhat I'm doing during the days
of the week, but now it's likeokay, Tuesdays is VO2, Mondays,
Monday, Wednesday, Friday arefull body weights.

SPEAKER_01 (19:03):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (19:03):
And then uh Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday are kind of
like heavier cardio.
So Monday's like the VO2 orTuesday's the VO2 max, and then
Thursday is like a I just dolike a hit, you know, like a 20,
30 minute hit or whatever, 20minute hit.
Yeah, yeah.
And then um, and then Saturdayis either go for a hike or like
I'm back in the gym havingsomething fun.

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Yeah.
But yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (19:26):
So when you eat, what are you eating?
Because like, you know, with andI I listened to your podcast,
and with a lot of longevitymedicine, everyone's like
vegetarian, vegetarian,vegetarian.
It's very good.
And it's you know, and then youknow, carnivore diets out.
And um the other day I tried tocook a tomahawk steak, and I was

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like, I love steaks, but I waslike, I can't I can't be having
too much, but like I know when Ieat steak, uh, even at like six,
seven o'clock at night, my heartrate doesn't drop to like four
or five in the morning.
It's like it's like seventies,eighties, yeah, it's higher than
usual.
Yeah.
Um, so it takes me a lot longerto um digest the meat.

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So that you know, like if I havesteak or something, I think it's
better if I have it at lunch,but it's almost never a lunch
thing for me.

SPEAKER_06 (20:20):
So yeah, I'm a firm believer in the big like, you
know, two o'clock big lunch ifyou're gonna do something like
that.
Yeah.
But I don't know, I'm not um avegetarian by any means.
I'm a total omnivore.
Yeah.
Um, in fact, I would have hadground venison today.
Um, but again, I had that as mybreakfast.
It was like around 11a, 11o'clock, you know.

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Yeah.
So then uh for dinner tonight,I'm ashamed to admit I just had
a protein shake.
But then I also eat like I I dothink it's important to get the
plants.
I mean, I think that's thebenefit of being a vegetarian if
you're actually eating theplants, is like, you know, so
I'm doing a pound of veggies aday.
So it's usually like uh half ofthat is greens, and then the

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other half is like celery andcarrots or whatever's happening,
you know, in the farmer'smarket.
Um, but yeah, that's it, it's aninteresting debate.
And I I have a feeling my gutsays unintended that eventually
people will um will be able totest, like, okay, you need to be
on X diet, you know, you neednot just based on your genetics,

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but maybe somehow where you arein life at that point.
Um, I know I was doing the fullvegan diet when I was trying to
do the chelation therapy, andbecause she was looking at my
numbers as we were going throughit all, she just said, This is
not the diet for you.
And she showed me, I mean, she'slike, I I understand, I read the
China study, I know it's youknow supposedly good, and yeah,

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I can tell you it's not workingfor you.

SPEAKER_02 (21:47):
Yeah, so uh yeah, I did vegan and then I did vegan
for lunch, and I'd go, you know,eat animal proteins at night.
I I don't know, like I I don'tthink I felt much different.
I was getting like uh Saqqaralife.
I don't know if you know it'sjust vegan meals.
It's pretty it's like a Michelinstar chef.

(22:09):
Uh that's pretty expensive.
I I do I think it's good fordetox because it it does like
you feel like you're emptied outand uh you don't have bloating
or any of that, but I don'tknow, like the taste kind of
gets old after a little while.
And I I always crave like asteak or meat.

SPEAKER_04 (22:30):
That was my thing.
I remember like sauteingmushrooms and trying to put in
like this like liquid smoke, andI'm like, Yeah, why am I doing
this?
Like, why don't I just have apiece of bacon?
And then when bacon came back onthe menu, I was just like, so I
don't know.

SPEAKER_06 (22:46):
There's something, I mean, like I feel like if you're
craving it with the exception oflike sugar and cookies and
cakes, yeah.
I just think there's somethingto it.
Cause you know what I mean, likehow long did we demonize like
eggs and butter and fat?
And actually, it's like nowwe're finding what is this, the
C15 fat in the grass-fed butter.

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Like, yeah, I just I wouldrather like if it's pretty much
natural, yeah, I'm having it.

SPEAKER_02 (23:14):
Yeah, that's a whole thing, whole foods, and like
just you know, I want to getsomeone that's an expert on the
podcast that's an expert on likeyou know, the types of meat and
like grass, because all thesenew words are coming out,
grass-fed, grass finished, andand then you know, like like no
hormones, and the the otherthing you think about is like

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they could be grass-fed, but ifthey're eating crappy grass,
like is that grass-fed?
Like, really, and like are theygetting appropriate nutrition?
They might gain weight, but theythey might be sickly weight that
they're gaining.
Um, so you know, I I just wantto figure that out.
But like one thing I've changedmore recently is like I've gone

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halal halal or like kosher, Ithink is a better way uh like
how they slaughter the animals,um, where they're gonna get all
the toxins and stuff, where likethe way that mass production and
slaughtering's done in the US,it like drives up their cortisol
and their muscles kind of tenseup.

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So the meat kind of keeps allthat blood in it, where that's
all all the toxins and stuff'skind of driven out of the
animals, which I think you know,like halal meat's gonna be a lot
safer and you're gonna feel alot better after eating that
than eating a big juicy steakthat's you know, kill the old

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way.

SPEAKER_06 (24:42):
Do you ever use CPR meats?
No, uh, a guy is raising it downin Wilcox and he'll send he get
his emails just Google CPRmeats.
Okay, you'll get an email everyweek like, oh, these are the
girls out on the pasture, andlike they've got chicken, lamb,
um, pork, turkey.
You can order your turkey now.
And they have eggs.
Um, he's partnered with thedairy, they have raw milk, and

(25:05):
he comes up, I think, once ortwice a month to deliver.
Yeah, but they also have theselike spots where you can get it
all the time too.
So, but you just order it onlineand it's um he might know more
about like kind of the questionsyou're you're asking because
obviously he kind of said, Okay,I'm not doing this.
Yeah.
Um, you know, moving down toWildecox.

(25:26):
I don't know their whole story,but yeah, clearly the animals
were raised, you know, inbeautiful, healthy, pristine
pastures.

SPEAKER_02 (25:32):
Yeah, some of the some of the websites as I was
going down the the hole withlike what meat to get, like some
of the places I was like, Idon't know what farm that is.
It's like all these farms fromacross the US.
I'm like, like, I don't knowwhat it's gonna taste like.
Like you can say it, but I waslike, all right, I'll just go

(25:53):
with this this place.
And they delivered within twodays, so I was like, all right,
yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (25:58):
I just like that I can drive down there and see it
if I need to.
You know, like at one day oneyear, was it last year?
I had to travel accidentallywhen it was time to pick up my
turkey.
And so I went down there andpicked up my turkey, and you
know, it was quite the drive.

SPEAKER_04 (26:14):
It's not a few, but you know, but it's local-ish.

SPEAKER_02 (26:17):
Yeah, no, because like right now it's like I I
think the stuff's over frofrozen, kind of like the way you
get it.
Um and I don't like that toomuch, and it's in in plastic,
everything's in plastic.

SPEAKER_04 (26:31):
So that's the whole new discussion, right?
Microplastics.
I know I'm just like, I mean,luckily again, I've been deep
diving on that for a littlewhile.
Not I didn't understand thewhole plastic accumulation.
I was more from a design sense,like in my kitchen.
I was like, I don't like thatplastic Tupperware stuff.
I want like these pretty glasscontainers.
So I was grateful I had thisweird little designer thing

(26:53):
going on.

SPEAKER_02 (26:54):
Yeah.

unknown (26:55):
That's funny.

SPEAKER_02 (26:56):
Yeah, we changed all glass, like like my my wife sort
of listens to me every once in awhile.

SPEAKER_04 (27:04):
Oh, that's sweet.

SPEAKER_00 (27:05):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (27:06):
Um, but yeah, so I don't know, Slee, did I ask you
a question?
Yeah, on biohacking, that's howI got into it.
Um I'm not, you know, real techinto the tech aspect of it just
yet.
I mean, I'm slowly adding thosethings.
Like um I have I feel so techy.
I wear a red light cap everymorning for like my hair because
this company sent me a red lightcap to test.

SPEAKER_05 (27:28):
And I was like, I'll test it for you.
But yeah, I kind of don't thinkthis is what you know.

SPEAKER_04 (27:32):
Like, I know.

SPEAKER_05 (27:33):
Oh my god, I've been using it for three months.

SPEAKER_04 (27:34):
It totally works.
It does, it does totally work.
I was like, holy crap! Yeah likeI've never had my hair, it's
never been this long in myentire life.

SPEAKER_06 (27:42):
Like, and it's just all filling in here, like my
hairline is coming back, and Ijust I was like, okay, now I
have to like get on here andlike tell people that it works.

SPEAKER_04 (27:52):
And yeah, so yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (27:54):
The thing I've I've been and I I have tons of tools,
like uh and my brother alwayssays it, and I should probably
do some reviews on them becauseit's like I do a lot of
research, and then I'm like, allright, I take it down to like
two things and try to comparethem back and forth, but like it
took me forever to get like ared light mat.

(28:16):
But like I was dealing with likelower back issues for like eight
months.
It was, you know, wasn't totallyhindering me.
I even took like peptides, BPC,and I was on them for a long
time.
I was like, this thing's justlingering and not going away.
Got the red light mat, likewithin two weeks, like the back
pain was gone.
I'm like, it's gotta be that'swhat it's from.

(28:37):
And like eight months, it wasjust like lingering on.
Now I'm like, how am I gonna getrid of this?
I bought these flat shoes.
Um, it improved it, but itdidn't go away completely.
And then, like, yeah, I got thered light mat.

SPEAKER_06 (28:51):
Is that like one of those beds?
I didn't get the bed, but it'sjust the bottom.

SPEAKER_02 (28:56):
I just bought a mat.
It was like I I say I've said itin another podcast.
So they said it was like a ninein one or six in one, whatever
it is.
So I'm like, oh, this is a totallike Alibaba thing.
But I had seen them at one ofthe we went to one of the
conferences uh for longevitymedicine, and like I saw the
company there.

(29:16):
I'm like, all right, if they'reat the longevity conference,
although you can pay for it, Iwas like, it's it might be okay.
Let me try it.
And and like I tried the mat andI loved it because it had it had
a tens machine in there.
Um, I used the tens at thebeginning, um, along with the
red light, and then it's it'sgot PMF and like all in one.

(29:40):
And so I was like, might as welltry it.
And I I I it worked, so I canI'm almost 100% that's like the
reason.
Now like I don't sleep sleep onit every night, but like when I
go to put my son to bed, I'lllay on it for like half an hour
and it feels good.
It gets Pretty hot.
It gets up to 150 degrees.

(30:02):
Sometimes my actually sometimesmy lower back is like almost
from the bulbs.
It's almost burning when it whenyou're laying there for a while.
But like, yeah, after half anhour, it's it gets you start
sweating and everything.
So um it does, it feels great.
Um another thing I got morerecently was like my shoulder

(30:26):
like bothers me from all theliposuction I do.
So, you know, I was like, Igotta figure out how to like
because I'd get pain like lateat night, like while asleep.
So I researched there's thekinnyon, the little spot things
that you put on uh like yourshoulder, your knees, and and

(30:47):
then I was like researchingthat.
Then this other thing popped upthat it's stronger.
And I was I was talking with umour podcast ho uh guest last
week about like cold lasers, andlike this thing has cold laser,
it's not as strong as thehandheld cold lasers, but the

(31:07):
Kinneon has it too, but thisone's more powerful.
So I was like, all right, redlight and cold laser together.
And the cold laser is supposedto penetrate deeper into the
joint and stuff.
So I was like, let me try it.
Um I've they're just littlepatches that you wear, they're
little pads.
Oh they're like about this big.

SPEAKER_03 (31:26):
Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_02 (31:26):
Are they attached to anything or do you just yeah,
there's a strap that you connectthem to?
Oh, okay.
Put it on.

SPEAKER_03 (31:32):
Um, so how long have you been using that?

SPEAKER_02 (31:35):
Uh like three, four days.

SPEAKER_03 (31:36):
Oh, really?
Yeah, because I you were justcomplaining of your shoulder
last week.

SPEAKER_02 (31:40):
Yeah, so it it feels better.
I don't know if it's from thator just getting better.

SPEAKER_04 (31:44):
Yeah, because you just you're having like, I'm
sorry, I'm just mad at the sametime.
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (31:47):
Light resection, like a a lot of a lot of plastic
surgeons have rotator cuff andshoulder issues.
And I I did like uh competitionweight lifting uh when I was
younger, and I I just like tryto lift or bench press
ridiculous amounts of weight.
So that took a beating on myshoulders.

(32:09):
Um but now it's like liposuctionand like breast augmentations,
you're like cranking on yourdelts and interesting uh
shoulder.
So those are you know, I'm like,I need to just treat them
better, just get them get themto heal.
Um the the cold days aresupposed to, you know, produce

(32:29):
collagen and stuff.
I'd have to fact check that one.
I'm not sure, but um yeah, theysay it builds collagen and helps
heal like injuries, so we'll seehow it goes.
And it's easy to strap on, it'slike 20 minute treatment.
So yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (32:45):
Do you ever do any hyperbaric?

SPEAKER_02 (32:47):
I do.
I have a hyperbaric bed in theoffice.
Um every day.

SPEAKER_06 (32:53):
No, I am claustrophobic, so I wish I you
know what?
I'm very claustrophobic.
Very clapped and I have noproblem with it.

SPEAKER_03 (32:59):
Really?

SPEAKER_06 (33:00):
You just get in there.

SPEAKER_03 (33:00):
I just get so jealous of everybody.

SPEAKER_06 (33:03):
Yeah, just give it a go.

SPEAKER_02 (33:04):
My whole thing is just finding the time to do it.

SPEAKER_06 (33:06):
It's like you have to sit there and go, okay, well,
I'm gonna read a paper at thistime.
I'm gonna do something, youknow.

SPEAKER_02 (33:12):
Yeah, when I think it'll be a lot easier when we
get because we're getting likethe four-person one, we're
opening up a surgery center, sowe're gonna put a four-person
one in our surgery center.
We have a single person thing,and I just think you can't
really do anything but sit thereand meditate.
Yeah, so if I can get some workdone um while sitting in there,

(33:35):
I think that'll be a lot morefunctional.
Um, and I have two little ones,so it's like tough to like you
know, other than work, it'susually going home and I eat it
because with the hyperbarics,you gotta sit there for at least
an hour, you know.

SPEAKER_06 (33:50):
So it's so funny because so like I was about um
so I've done hyperbaric beforeand I had a breast reduction,
and it was like 10 years ago.
Yeah, and I had already donethis um work with the heavy
metal chelation, and she hadhyperbaric chambers, and so I
was telling her I was doing, shesaid, Oh, you come in here after
your surgery.
And I told the doctor what I wasdoing, he's like, You can do it,

(34:11):
but like, you know, and then andhe was blown away.
He's like, I've never seenanybody heal so fast, and so he
um bought a hyperbaric.

SPEAKER_03 (34:20):
Yeah, I don't yeah, we put it all of our patients in
hyperbaric.

SPEAKER_02 (34:25):
It's that's why brilliant.
I I kind of got it for myself,and uh because my wife, it it's
an expensive piece of machinery.
So I I bought it for myself, butI told my wife, uh, it's for the
patients, so I'd get in it everyonce in a while.
But now we have all our patientsgo in there, they feel great.
They actually like we give themthree sessions, they usually

(34:48):
come back for like more.
Um, we do that and the red lighttherapy.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (34:53):
That's great.
Yeah, that's really nice.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (34:56):
I love it.
We I my son had to do um, whatwas it like 20 sessions for some
brain issues?
Yeah.
Um and I, you know, like I said,so that's kind of like the my
next like kind of big purse.
I'm getting a cold plunge hereany day now.

SPEAKER_01 (35:10):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (35:10):
Then of then I'm like, okay, the next thing I toy
I want to buy is the hyperbaric.
And again, it's like I don't Itry not to do too much of all
this gadgetry, but like that oneI really felt a like a huge
difference.
You can see a difference in yourskin and just how you function
daily.
I I just love it.

SPEAKER_02 (35:26):
Yeah, like I had an accident, and that's where like
I did like 10 treatments umright away.
I uh I slipped and fell andbanged my head, and I was like,
all right, I gotta, you know, II got in the hyperbaric uh right
away and yeah, I did 10treatments then, you know.
I never felt anything bad fromit.

(35:49):
Yeah, can't say like you know, Iwhen you optimize yourself, it's
like you you can notice smallchanges.
I I didn't really like noticetoo much of a difference at the
time I did it, but um overall Ilike you're not you know, with
some of the stuff, you're gonnafeel energized that day and like

(36:09):
more focused.
Like I noticed that.
And like you start doing choresaround the house, you know
something's wrong with you.

SPEAKER_06 (36:20):
I just noticed like my inflammation seems to die
down, you know.
So uh I love it for that.
Yeah, I just thought I think forlong-term brain health, oh yeah,
it'll be good.
So yeah, um, but I'm I probablywon't get you probably have one
that goes to like the twoatmospheres, you know.
I'm just getting like the oxyhealth, which is like 1.4 soft
shell.

SPEAKER_02 (36:38):
Yeah, it's not as yeah.
I have the oxy health, yeah, itgoes up to two atmospheres.
That's yeah.
I you know, for what we need umup to two atmospheres for
especially post procedures andstuff, that's perfectly fine.
Like, and I really didn't wantto, you know, like go in medical

(36:58):
grade as like, all right,putting medical grade if I was
gonna put one at my house, I'mlike, yeah, the ship blows up,
then like my wife's gonna killme, or like, and my kids are at
home.
I'm like, it it's just you know,to take all that risk away, um,
just get you know a soft heartshell is perfectly fine.

(37:19):
Yeah, and you don't need to goup to four atmospheres.
Um it's not like I'm treatingone of the FDA approved things
like necrotizing fasciitis orsomething.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, so yeah, oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_04 (37:31):
So what all encompasses in your practice?

SPEAKER_02 (37:34):
Like what like your so we do a lot of breast
reconstruction for breast cancerpatients, but um and then
cosmetics, we do everything.
We do facelift, rhinoclasses, umbreast and body work, mommy
makeovers.

SPEAKER_03 (37:49):
I think we're really starting off too with wellness
as well, um hormone replacement,peptides, things like that.
So that's been really fun.
That's really cool.

SPEAKER_02 (37:59):
Yeah, I started, you know, doing some of the
peptides.
I did tons of research like fouryears ago, five years ago, and
and then I started doing themmyself and like I had drastic
change to my health andlifestyle, and I'm like, all
right, we gotta get this.

SPEAKER_06 (38:16):
So you you guys do peptides.
Yeah, okay.
Then I'm gonna come talk to yousoon.
Okay.
I gotta talk to my doctor inNovember, but um, yeah, for uh
think for autoimmune issues.
I think I'm dealing with one,and I think BPC might be quite
good for that.

SPEAKER_02 (38:29):
Um beta, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (38:32):
Yeah, exactly.
So uh, but I want to make sure Ithink I'm dealing with chogrins
here, so uh I just want to makesure like I have that sort of
figured out.
And then um I had asked her inthe past about peptides, she's
like, I don't know.
She's a functional medicinedoctor, she's like, I don't I
don't do peptides, you need tofind somebody to come see you
guys.
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
I would love that.
That would be good.
I'd love to deep down.

SPEAKER_02 (38:51):
Yeah, I'm always testing new ones and whatever's
out there.

SPEAKER_06 (38:54):
And you guys come you get them compounded safely
so they don't have theendotoxins because that was the
thing that I get very worriedabout, like all that, you know,
junk stuff.
Yeah, people don't order themoff the internet, they have
endotoxins, which give you allkinds of problems.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (39:08):
It is, it's very scary.
It's very scary.
What I hear, you know, some ofmy friends are like, oh, it's
okay, I don't need your stuff.
I have, you know, somebody downthe streets getting up for like
$15, but they're getting ittested.
And I was like, okay, you youenjoy that.

SPEAKER_06 (39:23):
I just wonder if there's gonna be an epidemic of
like all kinds, you know, whatautoimmune issues, like all the
different things that can becaused by the heavy metal, yeah,
yeah.
And I just because people allthink that they're I mean, even
my son came to me and he wantsto do that.
And I'm like, he's 19.

SPEAKER_04 (39:39):
I'm like, no, he wants to take testosterone.
I'm like, no, no.

SPEAKER_06 (39:43):
I mean, in his defense, he does have kind of
low testosterone.
Yeah, because it's like a like,I mean, for a teenager, it was
like at 200, 300, no?
Okay, I mean, for lifts weightsand everything.
I'm like, that is kind of low,but I don't think you should be
shooting testosterone.

SPEAKER_03 (39:58):
Yeah, right, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (39:59):
Just need more protein.

SPEAKER_03 (40:01):
I know that would be interesting to kind of dive into
that.
And so he eats a lot of proteintoo.

SPEAKER_06 (40:05):
So I don't know.
I don't know, something's goingon.

SPEAKER_01 (40:07):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (40:08):
So you guys train in functional medicine as well, or
just like so I I am definitelygoing that route for sure.
I you uh you keep bringing upthe functional medicine
institute.
Um and I've looked at it.
Yes, they're coming out with anew certification in 2026.
Oh, good.
So um I'm kind of waiting forthat one, although I am doing,
I've been training with WorldLink Medical.

(40:30):
Um, I don't know if you've heardof them, but they are a little
bit outside of the box thinkerswhen it comes to hormones, which
I I love.
Um, they are also coming outwith a optimal um optimizing
medication uh medicinecertification, so which is gonna
kind of combine functionalmedicine with optimizing
thyroid, optimizing hormones.
So I I kind of think that's theroute that I'm gonna go.

(40:53):
Yeah.
Yeah, but I do love all of thatstuff.
Just making people feel better.
Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 (41:00):
Yeah, we we both did multiple like peptide
certifications and yeah, um, Ieven did one on supplements.
Uh I I just haven't had the timeto really like, you know, to do
like a functional medicine likefellowship type of thing.
It would just take a lot of timewith I think with having the
young kids, it's like kind oftough.

(41:22):
And yeah.
And the other thing is like alot of the talks, you know, I've
gone to a bunch of conferencesand I listen to them and a lot
of them are just repetition, andit seems like there's a lot of
censorship and what they can andcan't say.
And you know, like I learnedmore from like some of the
bodybuilding uh podcasts andstuff, some of the stuff from

(41:46):
the underground.
You've like learn aboutunderground stuff that's coming
up, um, versus the bro sciencethat's actually ending up
working, you mean?
Yeah, yeah.
As they've gotten more into it,they've like, you know, and they
go to China and Russia and testthis stuff out and like uh good
to know.

SPEAKER_04 (42:06):
This is what my son is listening to.
So okay.

SPEAKER_02 (42:08):
Yeah, it's stuff that actually works.
Um you know, like a lot of thecompound pharmacies do get it
from China, they get it fromChina and then they, you know,
they but they have stricttesting and stuff, so you don't
get the endotoxins because ifyou have endotoxins in there,
one thing is you could get verysick from it, but the other
thing is, and you might notnotice it, but you know, like

(42:30):
these like BPC is supposed to beanti-inflammatory and help you
out, and it could have the totalopposite effect or no effect at
all.
Um like I I didn't know aboutthis whole compound pharmacy
doing these peptides and stuff,and there's only a few of the
pharmacies that do it, it'sgrown um over the past few

(42:51):
years.
But um, when I first starteddoing it, I was getting it off
peptide sciences.
And like once I started doingthe compounded form, I'm like,
oh, this is how you're supposedto feel when you actually take
it and like see results versuslike I definitely um especially
like CJC epimorlin, which is oneof the growth hormone releasing

(43:12):
ones.
Um like I was taking it for awhile on peptide sciences.
I started taking the compoundedform.
I'm like, I'm having some messedup dreams.
I'm like, what's going on?
What was happening was like Iwas I usually wear an aura rink
and I was getting into muchdeeper sleep with because it was

(43:33):
actual CJC and it was actuallyworking.
So once I caught up with my deepsleep phase, then those vivid
dreams kind of went away.
Interesting.
And anytime like I lacked sleep,like let's say I had like a long
week and I I worked long hoursand didn't get enough sleep.
And once I was like getting backin a good sleep schedule, those

(43:56):
vivid dreams would come back fora little bit and then go away.
So I I think like yeah, youcould get non-compounded, but
you don't know what's in therebecause you know, and there's so
many companies nowadays, youdon't know like their testing
and if you're getting a qualityproduct or you know, getting
endotoxins in them.
Yeah.

(44:16):
So yeah.
Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 (44:18):
Exactly.
It's very interesting.

unknown (44:20):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (44:20):
Have you taken any peptides?

SPEAKER_06 (44:22):
Uh I did try a little BPC actually, and again,
I didn't notice anything.
And then like I said, Oral orwhat did you oral, yeah.
And um, I didn't really noticeanything.
And then I've had all theselike, you know, Shogun symptoms,
and I'm like, did I get, youknow, but I've I mean when I'm
looking back, I've had thesesymptoms for a while, so they've
just kind of amped up.
So I'm like, well, was thereendotoxins in that?

(44:44):
Or because it was from peptidesciences actually.
Um so I I don't know.
I was like, I don't know, but Idon't want to mess around with
this stuff.
Yeah, you know, um, but Idefinitely didn't notice
anything.
And I thought, isn't thissupposed to be helping me?
So I decided I'm rather gosomewhere and do it properly.
You know, yeah, yeah.
If I've learned anything in mylife, it's like just work with

(45:06):
an actual doctor.

SPEAKER_05 (45:07):
Like I don't, you know, I don't know this stuff
like you guys, you know.

SPEAKER_02 (45:10):
Yeah, some of the stuff is and like the BPC.
I I right now I do um take anoral and injectable form, and
the injectable form I wasactually injecting directly into
my shoulder.
Yeah.
Um, whether that was it or thered light therapy.
Um, but I think both togetherlike help quite a bit.

(45:31):
Yeah.
Um and then like CJC orpulmolin, like the growth
hormone releasing peptides, likewith repair recovery, and like
if you have any sort of neuralissues, I think it like helps
out tremendously with like likeI had herniated disc and like I
continue to have issues withlike some neuropathies, but like

(45:54):
once I got on CJC, hippomolin,like I usually cycle BPC in
there um for three months.
The CJC I usually take likethree, six months, a year, and
then take a short break.
But like all the neural symptomswent away.
Interesting.

SPEAKER_06 (46:14):
Yeah.
Yeah, I want to um safeguard mymom has Parkinson's, which is
like kind of the reason I keepdoing like I just was with my
parents yesterday, and my dad'sgonna have to get this like
stint, and you know, he's like87, and you know, his he's got
his like his aortic valve iskind of calcified or something
like that.
And you know, the doctor'ssaying, well, you know, without

(46:36):
this, uh like basically in fouryears, yeah, like hundred
percent you'll you'll havepassed away.
But you know, so we're hoping hecan do it.
You know, the surgery for thestent and all this, and then my
mom is you know, she's shaking,and their mobility is like
really limited, and yeah, andI'm just going, like I just like
I really want to avoid this.

(46:56):
You know, I mean that's thedream, right?
That you you know like onlymaybe a year tops, you know,
that you have that sort of likelack of health span or none at
all, you know, and um we'll see,but it definitely like makes it
very easy to like get up at 4 30and get to the gym.
Yeah.
Um, but I do worry about brainissues, yeah.

(47:18):
But that's yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (47:20):
Yeah, there's a lot of peptides.
Yeah, there's a lot of peptides,and I'm always like work trying
the different ones.
And like diehex is one that I II like and especially for
conversational.
I think like when I was I takeit, it's like, you know, when
I'm seeing the patients, I uh Ican conversate a lot better, and

(47:42):
that's something that's kind ofhelped with like people with
Alzheimer's, like Parkinson'sand yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (47:49):
Neuroprotective for somebody if they're nervous
about getting Alzheimer's,Parkinson's, if it's a genetic
factor that it's in theirfamily.
I usually put them, you know,cycle that a couple of times a
year.

SPEAKER_06 (48:00):
But I know it's not genetic, but uh still I just
like it was like not I do notwant that thing.

SPEAKER_02 (48:06):
I mean that is but like what what you see like it
seems like you have like a chillway of doing longevity where you
know people that watched theNetflix on Brian Johnson were
like all right, I'd rather diethan live like 10 years behind

(48:26):
me.

SPEAKER_06 (48:27):
Yeah, and I I get really um not nervous, but like
I just feel really verypassionate that health should be
for everybody.

SPEAKER_02 (48:36):
Yeah, and I get worried when people watch
something like that or thebiohacking community, or they
listen to Dave Asprey or um BenGreenfield, who I know and I
very much admire, you know, butstill it's too much for people
especially yeah, like I yeah, Ilistened to both of them and I
was like, all right, you gottacut because you know, Asprey's

(48:56):
like you almost cut outeverything you eat or drink, and
you know, it's like you're like,all right, I can just drink your
danger coffee and the rest ofthe world's polluted.

SPEAKER_06 (49:08):
Um, there's all these other people living to a
hundred, like well, so that'swhat I kept kind of going back
to was like, well, I mean, one,I really didn't understand the
significance of me and my paceof aging and Brian's pace of
aging until I dove into what hewas doing, and then I didn't
then I learned how much he wasspending, and I was like, okay,
you know, so if I can be theexample or the voice for people

(49:31):
to say you don't need all this,it's great.
We can just eat while and if youlook at the blue zones, like
they don't biohack, you know,they just optimize.
Like, I'm not even they don'teven, you know, they're just
doing their thing.
And so um, like if I I I do Idon't know Brian, I've never met
him.

(49:51):
So um I do think that that iswho he is.
I don't think it causes him anyextra stress.

SPEAKER_02 (49:57):
But if I were to implement that and but I I bet
you if he like did what you do,I bet you he adds like time to
his longevity because I bet youthere is a stress factor
decreasing how well he ages,maybe compared to you, compared
to who's the other guy that wasum Ben Greenfield that's um like

(50:19):
beat Brian Johnson to not tooold.
I I forget several there's likeyeah, Dave Pasco's.
I think it's Pascos, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (50:28):
Yeah, and Dave Pascoe's like way chill.
Like, I mean again, it's likethat's who he is.
Like, yeah, that wouldn't itdoesn't cause them any stress to
do all the stuff they do.
Yeah, whereas like I think theaverage person is more like me,
like most of the population islike, okay, that's just like way
too much.
Like, I'm just trying to getdinner on the table, I'm raising
kids, you know, like I can't Ican't do all this stuff.
Uh-huh.

(50:48):
Um and uh for me that would justthat would stress me.
It would make everything worse.

SPEAKER_02 (50:53):
Brian Johnson's like, he's on the M sculpt
machine every day.
And I'm like, there's no way youcould be on that.
I'm like, you're talking aboutlongevity, you're you're doing
this thing that could beradiating your body.
You know, how much EMF andradiation is that doing that
you're doing 20,000 crunches aday.

SPEAKER_04 (51:12):
I wouldn't mind doing emf like once a year in a
few sessions like once a year.
Yeah, I do that.

SPEAKER_02 (51:18):
I do that like I'm like, you know, right before I
go on a beach vacation.
I always say it's like go go upon your terzepatide and and go
and do a few M sculpttreatments, get ready for the
beach.
I love it, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (51:31):
Yeah, yeah, but no, his lifestyle would be way too
stressful for me.
I need to just live.
And so I always just kind of inthe back of my mind, like, you
know, like it's really aboutcommunity.
I mean, I've I've had good timesand bad times in my life and
stressful times, and then timesof like healing.
And those times of healing, youknow, usually like like
psychological, you know, it'slike or when you first fall in

(51:55):
love, like you know just howthat stuff is so much more
impactful.
Like your mental health and yourmental well-being and your
spiritual well-being is so muchmore impactful that on our
health.
We just can't measure it, so wedon't know.

SPEAKER_01 (52:07):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (52:08):
Once we can measure it, people be like, Oh, okay.
And so I just try to reallymaximize that kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_01 (52:14):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (52:15):
I mean, one, I'm just limited by budget.
I'm I'm a single mom and puttingmy kid through college.
I don't want them to have loans,you know.
I like I'm not gonna do all thatstuff.
So I just like yeah, I just wantto be careful when I buy the
things that like all the techieand all that stuff, you know.
I want to know that it works.
Like, I did try one of thetrackers, you know, I had a ring
tracker.
It wasn't an aura ring, it wasanother brand, and I'm not gonna

(52:37):
call that the brand, but itcannot work for me.

SPEAKER_02 (52:40):
Now, like the aura ring's the only thing they can
sell in the US.
Oh, really?
Because they got rid of the restof the apps.
Yeah, because I was about to buyone of the other rings.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (52:50):
Um, because I knew one of the other ones, I did not
like it.
And again, I'm not gonna mentiontheir name, but I was like, it's
superhuman, we'll keep it off.

SPEAKER_04 (52:58):
So it just it was like totally inconsistent.

SPEAKER_06 (53:02):
I mean, I I I was like, oh, this would be great.
I can use it for my VO2 Max.
Yeah, did not work.
I would like always compare it.
I have a polar, so now I justput on a polar every morning and
I get my HRV and you know strap.

SPEAKER_02 (53:15):
You know, yeah, I have the whoop and that's
actually pretty good.
The newest one, I think look,even the older one was way off
from the because I have thecarol bike and I'll put on that
chest strap, and the heartrate's like way different
because like the whoop wasreading my heart rate too high
to even do the carol bike.

(53:35):
I'm like, oh, take this out, putthe strap on.
It's like my heart rate.

SPEAKER_06 (53:39):
You know what was odd to me is that at I I work
out at EOS, and I'd always heardthat those, you know, the things
that you hold are soinconsistent.
Yeah, I actually found themcompletely consistent with my
polar.
They were they were in they wereconsistently like two beats
behind.
Yeah, but I was like, it wascompletely consistent, and I'm
and then I'm like, well, thisring is supposed to be working,
it's it still doesn't even knowthat I'm working out yet, you

(54:01):
know, and then my sleep was alloff and it was causing me a lot
of stress.

SPEAKER_02 (54:05):
And I'm like, okay, just one of the things like I I
think like with my sleep, boththe the whoop and the aura ring,
they're pretty close.
This usually whoop usually givesme more deep sleep.
Um, and then I have the eighteight sleep bed, which is always
kind of in between the aura ringand this.
So the aura ring always gives mea little less sleep.

(54:28):
And I don't know, sometimes itcould be turned, it reads it the
wrong way.
What kind of pissed me off was Iwas in Europe last month and or
at the beginning of this month,and I was like, I definitely
walked more than 10,000 steps,and both the ring and the whoop
read under 7,000 steps, and I'mlike, there's no freaking way.

SPEAKER_04 (54:48):
I was like that that was the last that was my last
straw, was that the ring wascompletely off compared to what
my phone was saying.
Usually my phone is less becauseI leave it on the counter or
something like that.
I'm like, all right, like ring,that's it.
Um I'm breaking up with you.
So I put it, I just it wascausing just stress, you know.
I'm like, yeah, but yeah, wehave whole discussions.

SPEAKER_06 (55:07):
I have a little we're like the little group chat
with a few of us by hackers, andlike I can't remember which who
it was.
I think is it Dave?

SPEAKER_04 (55:16):
A few like they're like looking at like they're
like this whole they've got thiswhole logarithmic differences
between like everything and likefiguring it all out.

SPEAKER_05 (55:24):
I was like, Yeah, like again, that's way too much
stress for it.

SPEAKER_02 (55:29):
But it it's also like it's also become like this
huge marketing and how muchmoney they can make from the
different because it's like arethey pitching this because it
really works?
And it's tough to like get wherethey're um like are they just
trying to sell product, youknow?
Um, that that's where it reallygets questionable, and like you

(55:51):
need to really dig deep becauseit it's Gary Breca, Dave Asprey,
and Ben Greenfield.
That's like every biohackingwebsite that you go to, those
three guys are on it, and you'relike, all right, like, yeah,
they're getting free product andtrying it out, and they're
saying this is the greatestthing since sliced bread, but
yeah, is it truly yeah, yeah, isit truly it?

(56:12):
Yeah, yeah.
So you need to get it.

SPEAKER_06 (56:16):
Yeah, I was gonna get the whoop, and then I just
thought, you know what?
Like, I got this low-tech way ofchecking my HRV every morning.
Okay, I'm not getting likeminute to minute, but I have an
idea if it's going up or down,whether I could work out hard or
should I take it slow today, oryou know, that kind of it's
really all I really want it for.
Yeah, and I don't really want totrack my sleep.
Yeah, like the eight sleep likelooks like a dream, but then I'm

(56:38):
thinking, when you go onvacation, do you sleep?

SPEAKER_04 (56:40):
Or do you have trouble sleeping because like
that's my worst I travel, youknow?

SPEAKER_02 (56:45):
And not the eight sleep.
My bed is like I spent a lot ofmoney on my bed, and it was
tough getting the eight sleepbecause I'm like, oh, if this
ruptures and messes up this bed,my wife's gonna kill me.
And I actually like put it, Iordered it, I put it on the bed,
like when my wife was out, andand like one night one of our

(57:06):
kids had a fever, and I'm like,hey, put them on my on our bed,
I can cool it down.
And she's like, and I washeating and cooling the bed for
her, like, and she didn't noticefor a few weeks until like once
my son had a fever, and we puthim, she's like, Oh, I love this
thing.

SPEAKER_04 (57:22):
So yeah, but you don't find it hard then when you
travel, because like that wouldbe my worst fear.

SPEAKER_02 (57:27):
My my tougher part is the mattresses when I travel.
I and that's how I choosehotels.
I'm like, I I look at the bedsand I'm like, all right, I
can't, or like when we Airbnb,I'm like, I can't stay in that
place.
I'm like, I'm gonna be dealingwith back issues.
Like you look at the beds andyou're like, no, I can't sleep.
So it the bed comforts like thethe thing more because like with

(57:50):
the eight sleep, like when Iwhen we go on trips, you just
set the you know, you cool theroom down like the yeah 65.
That's true.
Um, but like you know where youdon't have as much trouble, it's
more the comfort of the bed thanokay.

SPEAKER_04 (58:06):
Yeah, that's good to know.

SPEAKER_02 (58:08):
Although now that's one more thing I gotta add to my
list, but yeah, yeah, I I loveit, but like I got it, and then
three months later they came outwith the newest one that has the
blanket and everything, and youcan't get the yeah, you know,
they'll always come out.

SPEAKER_04 (58:23):
There's always something new.

SPEAKER_06 (58:25):
There's always something new, yeah.
Well, yeah, I don't know.
I just try to stay, yeah, try tokeep it mellow and just I have
this whole theory on this likelike you gotta get the
foundation right because there'sjust no sense like if you're not
eating well, of course yourhormones are gonna be messed up.
So like let's get your dietright because now you're gonna
like naturally kind of level outyour hormones to as much as you

(58:48):
can, right?
And then you know, so your diet,exercise, sleep, kind of get
those down because that's prettymuch I mean, I feel like that's
80% of it right there.

SPEAKER_03 (58:57):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (58:57):
Get that down.
Obviously, relationships andspiritual health and mental
health goes along with that.
But you know, so kind of gettingthat in order, then you're like,
okay, now can we optimize myhormones?
Now can we do some kind of lowinvasive treatments, you know,
supplements, a few things on topof that.
Then once you have that, now youcan start looking at the icing
on the cake.

(59:18):
I would do like the non-invasivestuff first, you know, like the
plunging, the HBOT, the the bed,you know, all that stuff.
Then you can like, okay, now I'mlooking at stem cells and
exosomes and the more trickystuff, but you know, kind of
like looking at it more as likelike you're building maybe
you're layer a layer cake orsomething or building a
structure, you know.

(59:39):
Um and so I just try to like Ifeel like that the the whole the
whole of the world, but all ofyou know of America especially,
like we would be so much betteroff if we dial down like all the
stressful parts of biohackingand like let's focus on this,
and once people start feelinggood, they'll be able to do
that.
Yeah, and I I think that's

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:00):
huge that that's where like you know you've done
so well and like you I I thinkthat's what you can teach a lot
of people is like you know youyou don't need all this stuff
you know these are you know justtry a few things these are you
know and people don't understandand we always come back to the
foundations of sleep meditationuh exercise and like and people

(01:00:23):
think you know and I I know youdo little tidbits of exercise
throughout the day and that'swhat that's what people need to
understand is like you don'tneed to be this hardcore gym
person.
Right like you you can getthings done in 15 20 minutes and
that's all I do all I do andthat's you know I tell my
patients I see them I'm like youknow you want to get on GLP one

(01:00:47):
get some resistance bandsthere's and I give them the two
companies that I think I haveboth of them and I think they're
great companies and like that'sall you need and I think I get
more cut and like better bettermuscles with just resistance
bands and like I spent um I havethe tonal and you know I know

(01:01:10):
that's almost similar but I getbetter results with the
resistance bands than the 3,000or now 5,000 piece of equip
dollar piece of equipment athome.
So you know just balancing itout and doing your core
foundational changes you knowand just making a plan for

(01:01:32):
especially the patients likejust to figure out you know and
don't do spot treatments.
If you're not gonna get yoursleep right like the rest of the
stuff's gonna, you know, you'renot gonna be able to lose weight
you're not you're not gonna beable to recover.
You're gonna continue to getinjured.
And that that's like the auraring when it tells me like your
readiness is like 65 like I'mnot gonna go and push it extra

(01:01:58):
hard that day like training youknow I'm like I'm gonna take it
easy and it it it is able tolike kind of tell you like when
you're about to get sick at thebeginning of wearing it but like
you got to get past that phase.
At the beginning you definitelylike kind of get caught up in it
and it gets pretty intense.
You're like but then like thegood part is like once you

(01:02:21):
figure out your whole body andlike you biohack and optimize
everything when things changeyou know when they changed.

SPEAKER_06 (01:02:29):
Yeah that's when like all that stuff is really
helpful.
Yeah I think the beginning islike getting that mindset
straight.
And if once once people havetheir minds made up you can't
stop them from doing anything.
So if you can get that mindsetand sometimes it takes a little
bit of like success and feelinggood.
So it's like I just I reallywant to help people just tweak
those tiny habits you know getsmall little tweaks that you get

(01:02:50):
those small wins that thenslowly like what was it James
Clear calls them like aggregatesomething or other you know when
you're just basically takinglike tiny small wins and if you
add that up or over a lifetime Imean we really we've got to get
rid of this eight weeks to abeach body mindset.
It's just that like you got toeliminate that and just look at
like this is the rest of yourlife.
So you know you've got betweennow and whatever you think

(01:03:13):
you're gonna live or howeverlong you want to live what are
all the like small little thingsyou can pepper out throughout
that life so that you're ingreat shape.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:22):
Yeah and and I've never done the biological
testing because I'm like youknow there's all these different
companies doing them and likeeveryone talks down about the
other one and like what does itreally mean you know like so I I
will say this like I do thinklike a lot of them like there
well there's the Horvath clockand I've I've played around with

(01:03:42):
that because you just put inputyour numbers like it's an online
thing you can yeah but thosenumbers as you well know they
change the ones that you'reinputting.

SPEAKER_06 (01:03:50):
So that yeah it's a you know it's a decent
estimation but the pace of agingis actually one of the best
clocks in there and and I alwaysforget his name and I've got to
make a point of listening he wasjust on Peter Atia's podcast and
just saying like that really ishe's from the Buck Institute
they that is like the best testwe have so far and it's pretty

(01:04:12):
legitimate to get your pace ofaging not so much like you're 36
you know biologically 36.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:17):
That's all kind of like yeah no I I think it's
worthwhile for some people forme I'm like does it matter to me
I I don't I don't think I careenough to test it.
I've thought about it thoughtabout I'm like I I just I'm like
I'd rather like play around withmy lab numbers and optimize them
than like get this eight scorewhich yeah like is it really

(01:04:41):
going to matter to me that'skind of like Michael Leskardon
is like that too he's more aboutoptimizing those things.

SPEAKER_06 (01:04:47):
I like I like the pace of aging I try to do it
towards the end of the year onlybecause I just see it as sort of
a overall signal of or a signalof the overall system.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:57):
But yeah I pay more attention I go more often to get
those other just random you knowroutine blood tests I find yeah
and and and yeah and for forsome people like I'm not saying
that's a it's a bad thingbecause I I think you know for
some people they they shouldknow like you know like i i if
you're aging poorly like youneed to change your lifestyle in

(01:05:19):
some way maybe you need to quityour job you maybe you need a
divorce or yeah it can be findsomeone a wake up call for sure
yeah you need to hang out withdifferent people um because it
it's ruining your life so youneed to change things to make it
better for yourself uh or likeget more sleep what whatever it

(01:05:40):
is uh it it might be a wake upcall for a lot of people for me
for me like I got I got it donefive years ago it wasn't really
it it just you know um I forgetwhat it was called but it was it
was one of the first ones itthey came they drew my labs and
then um through my labs theytold me like what my numbers

(01:06:02):
were um I was off of TRT at thetime so my testosterone was low
and that was one of the mainthings they based like my
biological age but it was likearound the same maybe a year
older than I was the whoop saysI'm like three years older with
my sleep and stress level um butyou know I'm in medicine so

(01:06:23):
expect it to be like 10 yearsolder so I'm probably seven
years ahead so it's probablybetter.

SPEAKER_06 (01:06:30):
Yeah yeah I can imagine oh my gosh um yeah no I
I was interesting because lastyear my pace of aging sped up I
mean it was still like great butyou know it was sped up and then
all this stuff happened you knowand I was in the middle of like
hormone issues so it was likevery predictive of all the
things I was gonna eventuallylearn.

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:49):
So it was interesting I was like yeah okay
that now that makes sense youknow I was kind of like wait a
minute that's not supposed to begoing that way you know yeah
like even if I don't do likeworkouts for like two, three
days or four days, I'm like I Inoticed like I'm not as focused
and like or I'm not enjoyingwhat I'm doing as much.

(01:07:09):
I'm like I need to get you knowI'm like even if it's like at
nine or 10 at night I need toget on those resistance bands
get them get that workout in andlike I wake up it's like whole
new day.
It just like totally opensthings up.

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:23):
Yeah that's awesome.

SPEAKER_06 (01:07:24):
Yeah that's the one thing I'm noticing I'm I was
I've been pretty ADHD my wholelife you know and yeah um as I
get healthier and healthier I'mlike I could never actually just
sit down and read a book.
I I've been listening to like Iread about a hundred books a
year but I'm listening to tothem um and now I'm finally
sorry I'm finally sitting I'mable to sit down and read yeah

(01:07:44):
and like focus on the page andthe words aren't all jumping
around the place I know thatlike something's happening
between my brain and my bodygetting healthier that I'm able
to focus more.
Yeah it's just it's very verypleasant.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:58):
I enjoy it yeah like the neuroinflammation compared
compared to your rest of yourbody yeah I think I have ADHD
too and like as I've listened tomore stuff I'm like I definitely
have it because one of thethings is like I get hyper
focused on me too I get likethings and I'm like and I can't
let them go and I'm like oh thatthat's totally me.

(01:08:21):
I'm like I I don't have like I'mnot like all over the place but
like some things I get hyperfocused on and there it is and
that's yeah that's my ADHD andlike my wife my wife thinks I'm
like Cloudy Spacey or she shecalls me on the spectrum which I
probably sort of have that butadult aid ADHD is part of that

(01:08:45):
spectrum ish type of thing.

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:47):
So it's yeah yeah I can always tell when he's gonna
get a new toy because he'll likehe'll like bring it up and then
a couple of days later he'llbring it up again and then me
and his brother will look ateach other and we're like it'll
be in the office next week.

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:03):
He'll have been up till midnight researching it
every night.
And sometimes I blame it on mybrother.
I'm like oh he bought it so Idon't get in trouble.
Here comes our yeah ourhyperbaric machine the red light
I was I want I want to work withyou guys have all the fun toys

(01:09:24):
be like Brian Johnson in no timethe good part is like yeah for
us we can we can try this stuffout but it it's also like we
implement it into the businesswe I do plenty of research in it
and it it's like functionallyappropriate so yeah um so we
bring it in um yeah with the newsurgery center like the red

(01:09:46):
light bed we're again it's gonnabe amazing it's a um it's got
like hydrogen therapy inhalationand red light it's got PMF uh
everything and vibrationalacoustic so it's gonna like it's
gonna be a game changer in theplastic sur like plastic surgery
world um I I just love that youknow it's something I got into

(01:10:12):
and uh it's just been amazing umand just trying to get it out
there and getting people and setsetting up everything so we we
can like have a great place likethat.

SPEAKER_06 (01:10:24):
So that's gonna be really cool.

SPEAKER_03 (01:10:26):
It's a very forward thinking compared to the other
plastic surgeons I'm sure yeahit it's a huge selling point as
well for our patients because weare so concerned about we want
to get them back to their normallives, right?
Six weeks is an average downtimefor a lot of our surgeries but
getting them through all of thisgetting their scars you know or

(01:10:47):
their incision lines to scarmuch better um you know and just
getting them back to their lifebecause around that two week
mark people start to get alittle crazy because they can't
really work out and you know andthey sometimes can take a little
dip in their mental wellnessbecause they're just not doing
what they normally do.

SPEAKER_02 (01:11:04):
So it's really important for us to get them
back to their normal life sothey can move on and yeah and I
I just didn't want to like Iused to before like six seven
years ago I used to be like Iused to tell Krista or whenever
she started I like some of thecases we were doing yeah some of
the cases we do I'd be like manwhy am I doing that you know

(01:11:27):
like tummy tuck on someonethat's high BMI and and stuff
and you know over time I'm likethere there's a reason I don't
do them like although we didn'thave many complications I was
like I'm just not getting theresults I want you know like and
I needed to just optimize thesepeople now we're optimizing them

(01:11:47):
so they can have the tummy tuck.
Because you know just likeyou're gonna do it and they
might feel great at thebeginning but then they're gonna
go back to their old habits andthey're you know they're not
gonna feel great aboutthemselves.
Like you got to get them feelinggood about themselves before you

(01:12:07):
start doing surgeries on themthat are you know I I think like
having the trauma of surgeryitself it's gonna put you in
sort of a depressed mood whetherit's from the anesthesia or the
pain whatever it is like beforeyou know some people kick back
up but like those are themotivated people and they're in

(01:12:29):
shape they're optimized they dogreat postoperatively the people
that you know they they gain theweight right back or you know um
they don't keep up with what itis few few patients do get
better and they are like allright this is new beginning I'm
gonna take it yeah but a lot oftime and you know we don't do

(01:12:53):
high BMI patients other thanwhen we have to do them for
breast cancer uh because of thatand we try to get them into
shape before like doing any sortof surgery to you know to be
there and so they know we'rethere to help them across their
whole journey not just like youknow just do surgery and then

(01:13:13):
they're gone.

SPEAKER_06 (01:13:15):
Do you do you guys find I don't I assume you don't
do gastric bypass but like areare people doing less gastric
bypass because of the GLP ones?

SPEAKER_02 (01:13:23):
I was just kind of thinking about that like um it
did it did take quite a dip umbut like there there's a lot of
new studies coming out uh withlong-term costs of uh the
gastric bypass versus GLP oneswhich shows that the gastric

(01:13:43):
bypasses and sleeves they'reactually cost effectiveness
they're a lot better becauselifelong being on GLP ones is
not as good um and you know mostof these patients do need to be
on lifelong GLP ones but thereare like a ton of gastric bypass
patients that plateaued um andwe've gotten them on GLP ones to

(01:14:07):
continue to lose weight or theycome in already on GLP ones
after they had gastric bypass tobe able to have further
surgeries because they once theygot on GLP ones they lost
another 50 60 pounds.
So um it it it definitelyhindered gastric bypass surgery

(01:14:27):
but it it's also like you knowyou see these studies and you
know I've gotten into likeeverything's propaganda uh
especially with big pharma whatthey're trying to push uh you
know like with the GLP ones youheard like great things as it
was coming out and then they raninto the shortage so they tried

(01:14:49):
to kind of like be like allright there's a lot of people
are noticing nausea and stuff tostop people from going to
compound pharmacies and becausetheir stuff was running out and
then you know like then they'recoming out and saying the
compounded stuff doesn't workyou're doing harm to yourself

(01:15:09):
doing the comp and and it's thesame stuff that they're selling
you know um and we're seeingthey're just as functional like
yeah some patients even if theytake the pharmaceutical grade
stuff they're not losing weightum because they're not doing all
the foundational stuff to get tothat because it's not going to

(01:15:30):
be a magic drug uh for everyoneand you gotta put in some work
and like we we try to repairtheir gut and you know with some
of the peptides um andprobiotics and stuff uh before
getting them on a GLP one sothey can have be most effective.

SPEAKER_04 (01:15:49):
I could not I could not do that.
I just like you got to havebetter habits.

SPEAKER_02 (01:15:55):
Yeah I I've been on them for like three years almost
um and you know I like justfluctuate I usually take pretty
low dose just to I was gonna sayis that control my sugars and
stuff.

SPEAKER_06 (01:16:08):
Aren't people like microdosing I think that's kind
of a new thinking there's somethere's some thinking um not I
don't I don't remember which oneit is but that they're looking
at its um impact for um braindiseases like Alzheimer's oh
yeah definitely well the GLPones you the semaglutide
terzactide they both they dohave effects on Alzheimer's

(01:16:29):
disease it was actually that'swhy it was originally formulated
is that they were using it andstudying it for Alzheimer's
dementia.
But then they saw the um howmuch it controlled somebody's
A1C and they brought it out andmade it a type two diet so
really it's kind of likesomebody who was headed on that
path it can keep but it's notgoing to take somebody who's
optimized and make them betterprotected against like say

(01:16:56):
somebody who's not having anyA1C issues they're not you know
what I mean like somebody who'scompletely healthy then they
just start taking it that's notgoing to really protect them
from the like Alzheimer's rightso if they weren't headed well
bringing down that inflammationthat neuroinflammation will
definitely help kind of protectthem.

SPEAKER_02 (01:17:14):
Yeah because the whole thing's about like sugar
spikes and this kind ofmoderates just like they don't
need to be necessarily on a GLPone maybe just low dose
metformin or dihydroberine orberberine instead of like the
GLP1 you know if your yourweight and stuff's optimized you
you don't necessarily need theGLP one.

(01:17:35):
The GLP one definitely is theeasier route because it's once a
week shot you don't have to takea pill um and it controls your
sugars pretty well uh and likemetformin is going to be
anti-inflammatory um and youknow and the way they found out
like the positive effects ofmetformin was because the

(01:17:56):
diabetic patients got lesscancer than the rest of the
nerve Barzali speak about thatand it was very very
interesting.

SPEAKER_06 (01:18:05):
It's like wow you know so I start I actually
started taking berberine I'vebeen on it for like six months.
Yeah um and again I'm gonna havemy blood tested here in a few
weeks and we'll go over it withmy doctor and I'm I'm curious to
see the impact on my A1C.
But I definitely feel I don'treally feel like I have low
blood sugar or anything likethat, but I do feel there's some

(01:18:26):
impact on my um appetite I don'tseem to be craving sugar that's
anything.

SPEAKER_02 (01:18:32):
Yeah I mean like I'm very satisfied with blueberries
whereas in the past it would belike every night like really
like some ice cream right nowyou know it's like oh no
blueberries is that's likeplenty you know yeah yeah it
moderates your blood sugar soyou're not like methforman does
the same thing it it'smoderating your blood sugar so
you're not gonna have highs andlows unless you already have

(01:18:54):
highs and lows yeah um beforeyeah have you ever worn a CGM?

SPEAKER_06 (01:18:58):
Yeah I have I've done that many times and um I
haven't actually that I haven'tput it on since I started taking
the berberine now that I thinkabout it oh yeah you should I
should do that.
It's interesting to see I shoulddo that because I didn't really
have too many spikes.
In fact I put it on thinkingthis will really motivate me to
not eat pizza and like and whyblood sugar didn't spike when I
had pizza I'm like are youserious?

(01:19:21):
Like it did not white riceeither potatoes it was like um
grapes like it was some fruitsyou know that was spiking it but
um all the things that I waslike oh this will keep you know
I'll see the spike and then Iwon't you know and it was not
spiking I'm like oh okay yeah myfriend said he was like drinking
beer and it would never spike ofcourse like we really need like

(01:19:44):
an insulin what we need is aninsulin monitor for it's very
insulin spiking then I might belike oh okay we don't know
what's really happening behindthe scenes so yeah like yeah so
you is there any othersupplements that you would
recommend to I'm I'm just allabout like you know the the
basics obviously the um a D3K2 Ithink you know how much you take

(01:20:05):
of that depends on your bloodwork and all of that but um I
take a fish oil like a um do youtake fatty 15 or I don't because
I started you know I looked intothat research and I am like an
avid I'm a big fat butter fan soof like all the um I do a lot of
butter and grass fed cheeses andI I actually calculated out and

(01:20:30):
I'm like I'm getting more than Iwould get in that supplement.
So I decided I didn't I didn'treally need it.
I'd rather have the butter.
So yeah I'm not you know it'snot I'm not gaining weight so
I'm not worried about that partof it.

SPEAKER_02 (01:20:42):
That's where I um like because they they say it
has more positive effects thanyour fish oil but do you still
need to take fish oil yeah youdo because it's different
because you got your omegathrees your omega sixes and then
what is this C15 or somethinglike that.

SPEAKER_06 (01:20:56):
Yeah anyway I don't know I saw yeah I I take that I
still take the omegas I've nowbeen um messing around with this
Av McCall I noticed um RhondaPatrick was talking about this
because she's all over thesulfurophane and yeah um and I
had been doing like Moringa andI had done like the broccoli

(01:21:17):
sprouts in the past and all ofthat.
And then I noticed she wastaking that's a lot more
convenient than this you knowmoringa every morning or
something like that.
So um I haven't noticed any bigdifferences but it you know I
don't know it's a nice insurancepolicy and I don't have to grow
the sprouts anymore.
But I do still eat my broccoliand yeah optimize for that.

(01:21:39):
But um so those are the onesthat I've added that are new.
I used to take a B complex allthe time um but I was getting
like overmethylated which wasreally I had never been
overmethylated in my life I wasalways undermethylated.
I didn't know you could go fromunder to over but all of a
sudden I was just like anxiousall the time I couldn't sleep I
was really like um so when Italked to my doctor she's like

(01:22:00):
oh yeah you're you'reovermethylated so um I just took
it out and I'm just doing like amultivitamin yeah that has a few
B vitamins in there but nothingmajor.
Yeah and um I'm trying to thinkwhat else I know there's more
magnesium.
Oh yeah I'm a big fat magnesiumhog like I feel like I've I've
it's gone down since I don'tneed as much sugar.

(01:22:20):
I notice you know the more carbsand sugar I eat the more
magnesium I need.
Yeah.
But if um I'm you know since Istarted taking the berberine
I've noticed I'm taking like andI used to take like six to nine
hundred and now I'm definitelylike four to six hundred a day.
Yeah um for sure.
So um what else there's not alot I don't I don't get too far

(01:22:43):
into that I mean I'm always liketrying different things like I
love um I take uh liposomalglutathione yeah um simp from
symbiotic I really like I likethat because it's like not pills
so um they taste good and I I'lltake their vitamin C not every
day but but some of their stuffhas a lot of sugar that's like I
was taking their stuff too andthen I'm like oh that's like

(01:23:04):
yeah that that's the only thingthat or his calories you know
when you're like really countingcalories it's like that's just
more calories a day if you'redoing a bunch of them but so I
just do a few of them.
Yeah and they have a few funones in there that I'll take
just for the dessert of it alllike the IR IRC moss you know
like that's tastes really goodbut I don't take it every day.
Yeah um but the glutathione Itry to take every day you know

(01:23:26):
it's just a matter of I had justrecently learned like about not
taking antioxidants around whenyou work out that that can have
negative effects on like thehormesis and everything that's
going on.
Yeah.
So um I'm not usually you haveto kind of take that liposomal
glutathione when you're fasted.
So I'm like okay well I have totake it I guess when I go to bed

(01:23:47):
or you know so sometimes Iforget it's not real consistent
but I do take it and I do noticea difference in my skin and um
that kind of stuff.
So yeah.
What's in the novose that youtake with the thing yeah that's
the other thing I take is sonovos I won't know all if so
people are gonna have to look itup but I know there's there's
glycine there's calcium alphaketoglutarate there is uh

(01:24:09):
physotin there uh magnesiummalate so malic acid is in there
um is it their longevity complexor which one I think yeah so the
novos core and that and that didslow my pace of aging down by
eight percent because I wentfrom 0.76 when I wasn't take had

(01:24:30):
never taken it before so thatwas at you know month zero.
Yeah and then you I took anotherpace of aging test at six months
and I had lowered my pace ofaging by eight months or eight.8
yeah um which is huge you knowit's like huge and in those six
months those were you know mymental health was not in a good
place it was in a reallystressful situation so what do

(01:24:50):
you do for that?
My mental health um at thatpoint I was just crying that was
a very hard time but you knowit's your kids are suffering
it's it's very very hard and umI uh but I do meditate every day
I started meditating in 2019.
Well I started meditating likemy whole life but really

(01:25:10):
effectively meditating in 2019.
Yeah um and I have a therapistlike a that I've seen since I
was 30 and had all theseoriginal issues.
So I kind of I'll I don't talkto her every week but I'll you
know when things get out I'llget around to have weekly
sessions.
And then you know friends andyeah journaling and you know all

(01:25:32):
the things you're supposed to doI do you know I I do but
sometimes like life is just hardand you're just waved up and
it's just an every minute tominute decision to make sure you
stay healthy.
Right.

SPEAKER_02 (01:25:44):
Yeah.
Yeah and there's a lot of toolsto meditate nowadays.
I I have a bunch of machinery tomeditate but like there's also
you know like you just have yourYouTubes for breath work and
stuff and meditation that couldlike even that the or even
iPhone apps that you know couldgive you the different lights to

(01:26:07):
get you meditatingappropriately.
I I think like there's a lot oftools out and that we have our
hands that we can definitely useto you know like and you only
need like five minutes or so tokind of calm yourself.
Yeah was it Huberman talks aboutthis whole psych what is it
called physiological sigh youknow so I was trying that one

(01:26:29):
day because I didn't have timeto sit down and meditate and I
was like actually that workedthat really worked you know but
I just I noticed because I haveshoulders just kind of like oh I
feel I feel good you know yeahyeah I have the brain tap and
that kind of goes through likethe breath work it does like all
the different things and like hewas talking about the like if
you're having trouble sleepingdoing the cycle and I had been

(01:26:53):
doing that where you do the umit's the four seven eight breath
oh yeah you do Andrew Weil usedto do that like I used to do
that I didn't start it out likea long time ago I started and
then like one of the Instagramads popped up with Huberman
saying it I was like oh thereyou go.
Now now everyone's gonna startdoing it it it does like three

(01:27:13):
three rounds and you're likeback out again.

SPEAKER_05 (01:27:16):
Really I've been doing the thing where you just
like like roll your eyes up inyour head and like move because
it um you say it makes yourbrain produce melatonin or makes
your body produce melatonin.

SPEAKER_06 (01:27:27):
Yeah and um I haven't heard of and then and it
was it what's his name Walkerforgot his first name the sleep
guy he was saying like when youcan't sleep like go on a walk in
your mind.

SPEAKER_02 (01:27:36):
Yeah and that works I get like halfway around my
mental block you know and I'musually out yeah yeah just
counting like when you'rebreathing breathing like kind of
gets you to like forget aboutthe rest of the things yeah yeah
yeah yeah sometimes it's justtoo much too much the world is
too much you know I know I knowI'm like I try on the different

(01:28:00):
things I have I'm like I can'tget to sleep.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:28:05):
Yeah.

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