Pain Can Make You Stronger. Do You Know How?

What does a sustainable fitness life look like when the cameras are off?

We talk with a coach who wakes at 2 a.m., fuels smart, and runs a “healthy Cheers” where people show up for smoothies, support, and workouts that actually stick.

She shares practical routines: simple breakfasts, low-impact workouts with bands and kettlebells, daily mobility, and supplements that actually matter. 

Learn how to train consistently, recover wisely, and choose foods that fuel your body without hype.

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Episode Transcript

SPEAKER_03 (00:19):
What's your background?
When did you get into fitness,being your best self?

SPEAKER_00 (00:26):
I would say what you're doing now.
Yeah, I would say when we openedour nutrition bar, so nutrition
had to show 15 years ago, 14years ago.
And that the reason was I wantedto get new results and I wanted
to be able to lead by example.
So I wanted to get the bestshape that I could and be that.
I never wanted to be a coachthat someone said, Oh, you got

(00:49):
to see my coach.
She used to compete or she usedto be really.

SPEAKER_02 (00:53):
Yeah.
You know?

SPEAKER_00 (00:54):
So that was like super important to me.
So I dug in deep, did a uhbodybuilding show, and then fell
in love with that whole process.
So that was it for me.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02):
And the nutrition star, are you doing that with
your husband or yeah?

SPEAKER_00 (01:06):
So my husband has recently passed away.

SPEAKER_04 (01:08):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08):
Um, but yes, we did open that together, and that was
awesome.
So we got to work together andwork out together, and took him
a little bit longer to get onboard as far as the health side
of it.
Yeah, you know, but um hefollowed suit and then it was
really.

SPEAKER_03 (01:23):
Do you mind if I asked what happened with that?

SPEAKER_00 (01:25):
Yeah, um, I mean, no, I don't mind.
Um he was 50, really good shape,and his he had plaque buildup.
So it was mild to moderate, iswhat we come to find out, which
was not super concerning.
Yeah, but a chunk of it brokeoff and then he collapsed and
took him right away.

SPEAKER_02 (01:44):
Okay.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:45):
So they think possibly um hereditary, there
are some heart challenges in hisfamily or previous lifestyle.
So way back in the day, he had apretty fun party lifestyle.

SPEAKER_02 (01:57):
High, like their family runs high blood
cholesterol levels and stuff.
Yep.
So sorry to hear that.

SPEAKER_00 (02:05):
Yeah, thank you.

SPEAKER_04 (02:06):
And do you so uh yeah, your uh your nutrition
plates are you making meal plansfor the pati uh people that come
in or yeah, so there it think oflike a cheers, like somebody my
age would know what cheers is.

SPEAKER_00 (02:20):
The young kids don't know, but like a healthy bar,
you don't know.
How old are you?

SPEAKER_04 (02:24):
44.
Did you know chairs?
Come on.

SPEAKER_00 (02:27):
Cheers the bar where everybody knows your name.
Oh, chairs.

SPEAKER_03 (02:32):
I got kicked out of chairs twice.
Yeah, I know what chairs is.
Sorry, it's funny.
I thought chairs was like a nameof like this health specific
place that he knew that I haveno idea about.
So I automatically I'm like, Idon't know that.
I got kicked out of chairstwice.

SPEAKER_00 (02:53):
So you know, so it's like that, right?
Well, we don't have to apologizefor things we don't remember the
next day because we're notdrinking, right?
Yeah, but it it creates thatenvironment.
So people come and they sit andthey hang out at the bar, they
get to know each other and kindof like root for each other and
yeah, out.
So we serve healthy smoothies,waffles, energy drinks, stuff
like that.
And then outside of that, we dofitness.

(03:14):
So we were before Vince passedaway, we were doing fitness
every single day.
Okay.
So Monday through Saturday inthe morning we had a free
workout, and then sometimeswe'll run stairs or we'll do
sprints at the track, stuff likethat.

SPEAKER_03 (03:24):
You work out every day?
I do.
Do you have a single break dayor you feel like not typically?

SPEAKER_00 (03:31):
I mean, I'll listen to my body if I need it, but my
break would be maybe like ahike, like take a walk or
something, take it easy.

SPEAKER_02 (03:36):
Is an afternoon.

SPEAKER_00 (03:38):
I can't, I'm so like get up and go.
It's weird with my psyche if Idon't do something.

SPEAKER_04 (03:44):
Are there routines you follow every day?

SPEAKER_03 (03:47):
Oh, actually, this is like what I want to get into
the routine of asking all ourguests.
When you wake up, what do youdo?

SPEAKER_00 (03:55):
My whole day.

SPEAKER_03 (03:56):
Uh let's start with the morning.
What do you do in the morningbefore you get going on your
day?
Supplements, exercise,stretching.
Yep.
No matter what it is, likebefore you get out the door,
what do you like set out to do?

SPEAKER_00 (04:12):
So I get up three hours before I have to be
wherever I have to be.
So I get up between 2 and 3 a.m.
So this is a very late night forme.
Um, but so I get up between twoand three.
No, I'm just joking.
We could have done this earlier.
I'm just joking.
Um, and then I get up and I goand I make my herbal tea and I
have some immunity that I put inthere.

SPEAKER_03 (04:31):
And then um what sorry uh Jack, what what's your
herbal tea?

SPEAKER_00 (04:38):
So it's a green tea, and then it's a zinc echinacea,
and then immunity essentials,which is uh like a multivitamin
for the immune system.

SPEAKER_03 (04:46):
So it's a little bit of uh caffeine and mostly to
boost your immune system.

SPEAKER_00 (04:53):
Yep.
And so in the winter it'll behot, in the summer it's cold.
So I make that and then I turnon personal development.
So usually I'll listen todifferent audiobooks or like
audios.
I have some of my favorites,depending on like what space I'm
in and what I feel likelistening to.
So that will play the wholetime, the whole morning while
I'm getting ready.
And then I'll make my breakfast.
My breakfast every day is thesame thing.

(05:14):
So I do oats and blueberries andthen protein powder in my oats.
And then um, I'll put greens,like a green powder in there.

SPEAKER_05 (05:22):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (05:22):
And then eat that, and then I'll check my emails
and get into that and then do mysocial media.
So I'm running my personal pageand then both of my nutrition
bars, I run those pages.
So if I don't get all of thatdone before I get to my workout,
which is the three hours after,yeah, I just feel like the day
has gotten ahead of me, youknow?
So then I don't have to rush andI know that everything that I

(05:44):
need to do is done.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (05:49):
Uh kind of yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (05:50):
So I'll do something every day.
There, there's a couple dayswhere we do our free workout
that I'll run stairs with thegroup.
So at the complex, we have somestairs.
So we'll do that, get a littlecardio warm-up, and then it's
like a bodyweight resistancetype workout.

SPEAKER_03 (06:03):
You just go up and down stairs, like yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (06:05):
So there's 11 different flights in our
complex.
So we'll go up and down each onefour times.
So it takes about 15, 20minutes, depending on the
person.
So kind of warm us up there, andthen we'll do bodyweight
resistance or like lightkettlebells and dumbbells.

SPEAKER_03 (06:19):
Wrestling practice in high school, we used to have
to pull carry uh our partnersthat were the same weight up
like a good like what 30 stairsrepeatedly, like five times.
Yeah, the stadium stairs.
Yeah, stadium stairs.
I like stairs.

SPEAKER_00 (06:37):
I like stairs because I feel like it's muscle
building cardio, you know?

SPEAKER_03 (06:40):
Yeah, it's uh the angle also probably gives you a
benefit for your knee joint,like fluid dynamics.
Yeah, again, I I can't tell youfor a fact, but like they're
like just going from what Sarahtells me the the um Peloton

(07:01):
riding a cycle and having thatex like flexion and extension
helps the fluid flow.
So it probably like keeps thecartilage and stuff well like
like intact.

SPEAKER_04 (07:16):
Just like the knees over toes guy, how he does like
over over flexion.

SPEAKER_03 (07:21):
You don't want to you don't want to break that
down, like you don't want to doit like where it's like breaking
your cartilage down where you'regonna need a knee replacement,
but you do want to haveeverything flowing fluidly to
make sure like you're 80 yearsold and you don't need a knee
replacement.

SPEAKER_04 (07:40):
Yeah, well that's the biggest thing is yeah, it's
like yeah, my posterior chainused to be so tight, and like
I've kind of started doing theknees over toes guy, and like
just I bought one of themachines and doing like Nordic
curls every morning almost helpsout quite a bit, and then doing
sit-ups kind of opens up mypsoas muscles on that machine

(08:04):
because you're overextending.

SPEAKER_03 (08:06):
I would I was doing uh like making sure my like
pretty much backside was verywell stretched, like hamstring
stretches where I can touch mypalms to the floor.
We get out, do my pec stretches,make sure like that way
throughout the day I'm standingup tall or taller than I was.

SPEAKER_04 (08:29):
Yeah, surgery just tightens up your posterior chain
and then your chest.

SPEAKER_03 (08:33):
You end up like a vulture.
Yeah, like oh god, this meatisn't even dead yet, and I'm
still a vulture.
Um but open it up, but I noticedlike when I was like lifting
more, I was doing all the thingsto get my posture straight.
But what I noticed was stufffrom like hip flexors and my

(08:56):
quads end up having issuesbecause I wasn't stretching
those at all, like just simplequad stretches, simple like uh
lunges, like those those thingsthat you wouldn't even think
about doing.
I was just like, Oh, I guess Igotta do this for balance.

SPEAKER_00 (09:17):
You have to do it.
I notice, like as I'm gettingolder, I feel young, except like
you get out of bed and you justdon't move quite as fast.

SPEAKER_03 (09:25):
Yeah, do you measure biceps?
No, why not?

SPEAKER_00 (09:28):
I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 (09:29):
You should you should do that and then show it
off when you come on to podcastslike this.
No, if I say something and youlike you don't like, be like,
dude, how how wide are yourbiceps?

SPEAKER_00 (09:41):
Nice.
I'll have to start doing that.
My IT bands, you guys IT bandsget tight.

SPEAKER_03 (09:46):
Yep, yeah.
I have to roll those in themornings.
A lot of a lot of times you yougotta meet Sarah.
Wife's a very good PT.
Um, a lot of times where I thinkit's uh pains close to my
patello femoral joint isstemming from my IT.

(10:08):
And there there's very simplestretches, and just like, oh, it
only took like 10 seconds to dothat like yeah, twice a day.

SPEAKER_00 (10:17):
Isn't it amazing though how many people won't
take the time to do it?

SPEAKER_04 (10:21):
I don't.
I know what's I didn't for awhile because I I wasn't even
like running your own company, Iwasn't even working out, and
then my way back was like once Istarted peptides and GLP, I I
started doing resistance bands,and that's like I do that, and
that definitely got me energizedand it's like got me more fluid
and moving around withoutinjuring myself.

SPEAKER_03 (10:43):
For me, it was like not drinking.
If I drink, I don't, I'm uselessthe next day.
So yeah, if I don't, like I cansneak in like a 20-minute
workout, and that's all it takesuh for most people.

SPEAKER_00 (10:59):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (11:00):
Not not to look like you.

SPEAKER_00 (11:02):
So have you guys heard of rebound bouncing?

SPEAKER_03 (11:05):
No, I've seen it.

SPEAKER_00 (11:07):
So that's another thing I do a couple days a week.
I teach a class and now talkabout the knees.
So it's 80% less impact on thejoints.
Yeah, so like imagine thetrampolines that they do, it but
it's in your shoes.
It's like the old moon boots.

SPEAKER_03 (11:20):
Yeah, yeah, I'm like Kramer's.

SPEAKER_00 (11:22):
So I teach that.
It's so fun.

SPEAKER_04 (11:25):
Like they look like uh like these, they have like
you can like three pounds, theyhave springs, like shells and
then like a spring.

SPEAKER_00 (11:37):
And so we have like sweet moves that we dance, and
we have like a fast beat, andyeah, my class is typically
middle-age and above, like 40 to70 year olds.
Yeah, and it's so cute to watchthem out there, yeah.
But you burn like twice theamount of calories as if you
were they're called rebound,yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (11:55):
Rebounds.

SPEAKER_00 (11:57):
So that's been my new thing.
I love it, it's different, it'sreally fun.

SPEAKER_04 (12:01):
How how's like joint-wise and stuff?
Um how's that like with aworkout like that?
Those things.

SPEAKER_00 (12:10):
Oh that for for that, it's amazing.
Yeah, 80% less impact.
Yeah, so I have a couple clientsthat wear knee braces, they can
do that class no problem, butthey can't do the other things.

SPEAKER_03 (12:19):
What's the age range of your uh clients?

SPEAKER_00 (12:24):
Right now, I would say the majority of mine are
gonna probably be 30 to 65.
Okay, yeah.
10 years ago when we opened thebar, I the the young ones loved
me.
Now I'm like getting too old forthem, I think.

SPEAKER_04 (12:38):
Does that help with like fascial release and stuff?

SPEAKER_00 (12:42):
The bouncing, yeah, yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_03 (12:44):
I'd imagine so.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (12:47):
I mean, they're they're like a little nerdy, but
I love that.
It doesn't bother me.

SPEAKER_04 (12:53):
Uh if it's helping with your health, that's like
it's all good.

SPEAKER_00 (12:56):
And then you become that like nerdy bouncy girl, and
then people expect it.

SPEAKER_04 (13:00):
So it's how about stability-wise, like they're
good.

SPEAKER_00 (13:04):
So as long as you keep your body centered, yeah,
and don't do any crazy likeleaning, yeah, you know, or
kicking out and getting offbalance.
I'd imagine you won't fall.
Well, your core, you're probablyengaging your core, your
balance, I mean your your it'smuscle toning, your endurance.

SPEAKER_03 (13:22):
And I think the more you like do that, like we've
talked about this in the past,yeah, like that also helps with
longevity in the mind, wherelike it like fights off
dementia.
Like if if you if you losebalance on a regular basis,
you're most likely gonna losememory too.

SPEAKER_04 (13:41):
Well, Tony Robbins always talks about jumping on a
trampoline, yeah.
Like before this is pretty muchyeah, he jumps on a trampoline
even on stage.
He usually takes one on stagewith him and he jumps on a
trampoline.

SPEAKER_00 (13:54):
And honestly, it you feel like a kid.
I it's it's a great way to, it'snot easy, but it's like so fun
that you forget how hard it is.
Yeah, the club my class is only30 minutes long, it's like
enough, but we get we go performnow, yeah.
Like we're gonna have a witch'spaddle, so there will be a bunch
of people dressed as witchespaddling down the lake this
weekend, and we're performing.
We're like the act that'sperforming.

SPEAKER_03 (14:15):
We're gonna take this Salem Salem mess.
We have to take this witchespaddle, like go full, like
hardcore.
This is where where it happened,this is where the witches died
for this.

SPEAKER_00 (14:28):
It's uh it's a trip, the witches paddle.

SPEAKER_04 (14:30):
Yeah, yeah.
I I just saw something aboutlike this witch cult that was
like kind of crazy today, andlike one of the real I'm like, I
don't even know how this showedup on my feeds.
Sure, you don't know there waslike a lot of things.
See, this lady was talking aboutlike they had some guy, like
dead guy, and they were eatinghim.

(14:52):
This like satanic cult that andshe was a witch, and like she
was talking about like shefreaked out and they tried to
give her a drink and shewouldn't take it, and they just
had the sky filleted open likein the middle of the house or
whatever they were at.
Yeah, they were like someone waseating the tongue, and you

(15:13):
watched it then, huh?
I was like, this is kind offreaking crazy because she was
just talking about it, and I'mlike, holy shit, this is I don't
know, I was somewhere in the UKyou could probably see someone
doing it.

SPEAKER_03 (15:26):
Speaking personally, that must have been freshly dead
corpse you can't you can't bechewing on somebody's tongue if
it's been dead for more than 24hours.

SPEAKER_04 (15:39):
Yeah, oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (15:43):
Oh yeah.
No, don't say that.

SPEAKER_04 (15:46):
Oh, you like animals won't eat dead, you know.
You don't want you don't want toeat a if a vote you don't want
to eat a dead dead steak, youknow, you don't want to eat a
steak that's been left out.
Yeah, I'll go to Shiv DinnerClub if I want that.
Yeah.
Yeah, they'll you know, likethat's the stuff that you get
50% off at the supermarket, youknow.
So the day after.

(16:09):
Yeah.
Well, in Hawaii, it's like theirnormal meat's pretty much like
left out too too long.
It's already like turning drydry aged.
Yeah.
So what are some of thesupplements that you recommend
or like your So I take amultivitamin every day?

SPEAKER_00 (16:31):
I take a fish oil, yeah, coQ10, um, calcium, yeah,
magnesium.

SPEAKER_03 (16:37):
Um on that point, do you consume any dairy?

SPEAKER_00 (16:43):
Not a lot, a little bit, and and like very little.
Like sometimes I'll make I makea protein pizza, and so there'll
be dairy in the crust of that,but I don't do a lot of dairy.

SPEAKER_03 (16:54):
I'm just asking just understand your balance.
But I what I was let's let'shave her go through her daily
routines.
My supplements.

SPEAKER_00 (17:03):
I'm trying to think.
So those are the ones how aboutcreatine, any creatine?
Oh, yeah, creatine everymorning.
So my pre my morning drink withmy workout is creatine um or
pre-workout and then umelectricity.

SPEAKER_03 (17:17):
What's in your pre-workout?
A little bit of crack.
Last time I took pre-workout wasI was just like, oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 (17:24):
It doesn't have the niacin in it.
Mine doesn't have that tingle.

SPEAKER_04 (17:27):
Usually it's the citrulline um that gives you the
tingle, tingle.
Okay.
I don't have that in there.
I don't like that.
Yeah.
And then it feels horrible.
I'm like, uh, when's this gonnaend so I can work out?
It's like itchy.

SPEAKER_03 (17:39):
So what are your meals like throughout the day
then?

SPEAKER_00 (17:42):
It so I can eat the same thing every day.
I don't have to, but just easyfor me.
So I'll do like my breakfast.
I told you guys what mybreakfast was, and my lunch
would be my lunch and dinner arethe same, usually like a good
carb.
I work on like balance witheverything.
So good carbs, good fats, goodprotein.
So I'll do a lean protein andthen tons of veggies, any kind
of veggies I love.

SPEAKER_03 (18:03):
What's good carbs?
Because I have a hard time withgood carbs.

SPEAKER_00 (18:07):
Yeah, so I usually will recommend like quinoa, um
brown rice, black rice, jasminerice, oats.
So I'll do oats in the morning,sweet potatoes, butternut
squash.
Those are like my go-tos.

SPEAKER_03 (18:20):
Pretty much like high glycemic index.
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (18:24):
And then not bleached, right?
So the jasmine rice is we canget it.
I do that a lot just because youcan cook it so fast.

SPEAKER_05 (18:31):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (18:31):
But those are like my go-tos.
And then I love chicken andturkey.
That's probably my biggestthing.
Fish.
I like fish, but it has to befresh.

SPEAKER_05 (18:38):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (18:38):
I I eat a lot of leftovers, so I don't like cold
fish.
I will do that when I compete,and I kind of am over that.
Yeah.
And then dinner will be thesame, and then I do my shake
right before bed.

SPEAKER_03 (18:51):
How much lighter are you in weight than you are now
when you compete?

SPEAKER_00 (18:56):
Honestly, I could do a show this weekend, so I'll
stay the same.

SPEAKER_03 (18:59):
That's what I could see.
Would it be like mostly likesucking water weight?

SPEAKER_00 (19:05):
I didn't even the last two shows I did, I didn't
even cut water.
I literally showed up and Iactually ate a little bit more
to be a little fuller.

SPEAKER_03 (19:16):
Rodmere used to do.

SPEAKER_00 (19:17):
He There's so many different ways you can do it.
The way I do it is like reallyodd and different.

SPEAKER_03 (19:22):
Um, you're at your best because that's what you are
every day.

SPEAKER_00 (19:27):
Yeah, so for me, it's like lifestyle.
So it's not anything crazy whenI go do a show, and this I just
choose to have it that way.

SPEAKER_03 (19:34):
So I don't Do you feel weird that you're not here
in a bikini?

SPEAKER_00 (19:39):
No, but I love bikinis.
I would have done it if I if Ineeded to.
It's my most favorite thingever.
Yeah.
I love it.

unknown (19:48):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (19:48):
That's why I think I love Lake Cavassy.
You can wear those everywhere.

SPEAKER_04 (19:51):
Yeah, I had moved away from drinking milk, but
then I'm like, as I give moreand more milk to my kids, I'm
like, I'm like, why?
Am I canceling dairy out one?
And then I'm replacing with likethese protein powders.
And I'm like, might as welldrink the pure, like, you know,
grass fed milk.
Um, I think, you know, you'regonna get the protein, the fats.

SPEAKER_03 (20:12):
And we should just buy some cows that can suck
right from the otter.

SPEAKER_04 (20:17):
No, I that that's what that's the way I've thought
about it.
Now I'm like, I gotta introducemilk because we used to drink
tons of milk when we were kids.

SPEAKER_03 (20:26):
Yeah, oh, we were we were told like you like we could
we could barely afford it, butlike if you don't drink three
glasses of milk, you're gonna wehad it delivered, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (20:35):
You're gonna so gross, and it was whole milk.

SPEAKER_04 (20:38):
Yeah, yep, yeah.
Yeah, like that that's all I getfor my kids, and I'm like, you
know, I started you know,putting in my coffee and
drinking more of it.
I'm like I'm like, I'm usingprotein powders, which is
similar stuff, but this is purestuff.
So yeah.
And I don't have issues.

(21:01):
You can't take enough to helpyou out.

SPEAKER_03 (21:03):
Yeah, I have like like this whole my whole arm
breaks out, like it's all overmy chest, even my face, and
anytime I consume a ton ofdairy, like it breaks out like
hardcore.
But I've been taking the BPClike for about four weeks now,
and like all my skins looked somuch better.

SPEAKER_04 (21:26):
And I told them for like three years, yeah.
Like you, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (21:32):
I was just like, okay, if I take BPC but have
some alcohol, it's definitelygonna make me feel like crap.
Uh but I I started, it's likethe first time in honestly, like
25 years where my skin's likegradually getting better every
day.
So you know that's it.
Yeah, not just like not gettingworse, but getting better at the

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time.

SPEAKER_04 (21:56):
Because it's so anti-inflammatory, you don't you
don't flake as much, and like itpretty much gets rid of all the
flaking and everything.
Yeah, um, because and you know,some of the stuff in there's
like antibacterial as well asanti-inflammatory.
So I think overall it's likeyeah, no matter what these
people say, it's like I've seenit with you know, my brother had

(22:19):
allergies and he started takingit.
He's like, I think I can go downon my allergy meds and then like
trying different things, likeeven methylene blue.
Methylene blue kind of energizesyou, but also like gets rid of
fungus, viral, viral.

SPEAKER_00 (22:34):
He's also had like yeah, I've been hearing about
that one.

SPEAKER_03 (22:36):
Yeah, he's had crazy reactions.
He stepped on a bunch of seaurchins in St.
Martin, yeah, and had ananaphylactic shock.
And ever since then, he's beenlike hyperimmune to everything.

SPEAKER_04 (22:48):
With like the point where, like, and he I think his
We thought it was mental for awhile.
Well, then the place he was atin the Caribbean, too, his
apartment.
He might have had Legionella inthe in the air conditioner
because he didn't.
Either way, he spent three yearsgoing like this.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (23:07):
Oh my dude, this is not like normal.

SPEAKER_04 (23:10):
Well, I kicked him out of my house because he was
living with me when he was intraining.
My wife's like, I can't do this.
He would like we would hear himacross the house.
Oh, how sick, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (23:21):
Not even him.
My other brother and I thoughtit was just like a psychologic
disorder.
We're like, he actually doesn'thave anything wrong.
He's used to doing that so much.

SPEAKER_00 (23:31):
Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_03 (23:32):
But he's finally getting it under control, which
is nice.

SPEAKER_04 (23:36):
But but I think we we've created a new supplement
and we're working with one ofthe influencers about bringing
it out, and we're trialing itright now.
And I think that's also likealong with the BPC, like changes
in skin.
I think it does improve skin,hair.
Um, and then also like sleep.
I think I get like no matter ifI sleep five hours, six hours,

(23:59):
nine hours, it like you get thislike incredible deep sleep that
I I was, you know, I was hittingthe one hour, but now it's like
like some nights I'm up to liketwo hours, and like it's totally
changed it.
Yeah, yeah.
Rest of heart rate or no, no,two hours of deep sleep.
Oh, okay.
Like even if I'm sleeping sixhours, I'm getting like two

(24:21):
hours of deep recovery.

SPEAKER_03 (24:23):
We'll be selling it shortly.

SPEAKER_04 (24:25):
Yeah, hopefully.

SPEAKER_00 (24:26):
That's cool.

SPEAKER_04 (24:27):
Yeah, and and and it's you know, I combined a lot
of things that I was alreadytaking into like I was like, I
don't want to take all thisstuff and like uh to hydrate
ourselves too, and put it in 64ounces of water so you're
drinking it throughout the day,or usually I finish it within
like a couple hours in themorning, but it's got your

(24:47):
multivitamins, it's gotlongevity stuff, it's got NMN,
it's got um whole bunch of allthe essential aminos, and it's
not like athletic greens thathas a little bit of this, a
little bit of that.
Yeah, we have 130 ingredients,but none of them are actually to
effective doses.
These are like almosteverything's to effective doses,

(25:10):
and as we make new additions,we're gonna bring more stuff in
there to full like the creatineis underdosed in this, but like
we're definitely gonna work onincreasing the amount of
creatine um in there because Iwas I think like Dana Patrick
was talking about, you know,like five five grams of creatine

(25:30):
is gonna, you know, that's gonnafeed your muscles.
Your muscles usually eat up thecreatine pretty fast, um, but it
does cross the brain bloodbrain.

SPEAKER_00 (25:39):
Uh-huh.
Five grams.
I was curious what you weregonna say.

SPEAKER_03 (25:42):
So that's what I aim for a day.

SPEAKER_04 (25:44):
So if if you're looking for the cognitive
benefits, you're supposed totake more, like uh like 10
grams.
Your muscles are gonna grab mostof it, but then um some of it
will go to your brain.
That's what I'm looking at here.

SPEAKER_00 (25:58):
Yeah, how much you if I'm taking five, you should
be taking 10.

SPEAKER_03 (26:01):
Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_00 (26:02):
For for these biceps.

SPEAKER_03 (26:04):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (26:05):
But you know what?
On that note, I feel like it didhelp me when I started taking
it.
Yeah.
Because that's newer for me.

SPEAKER_03 (26:11):
Physically, mentally, or both?

SPEAKER_00 (26:14):
Physically for sure.
Physically, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (26:16):
Yeah, I took it, you know, like when I was in meth,
like before getting into like1998, 2000.

SPEAKER_03 (26:23):
High school you were taking creature.

SPEAKER_04 (26:25):
No, I like high school, I was like trying to
stay natural, and then like incollege, I started doing like
protein and lots of foods.
Yeah.
Well, like even in college, itwas like just eating a ton.
Uh, I did drink way too much,but um but then I started using
supplements because my mom wasso protective, like you couldn't

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touch anything.

SPEAKER_03 (26:48):
Oh, glutamine was one nitrous glutamine, glycine.

SPEAKER_04 (26:53):
I think the glycine is why you get such good rest
with the supplement.
Okay.
Yeah.
Um but yeah, like I tookcreatine a lot, but like it was
I I was on and off it, and likefor years, people said, like,
oh, you're gonna have kidneyfailure, you're gonna gain this
water weight and lose all yourbutt like now it's like most

(27:15):
people are like that's likesomething you gotta have in your
supplements that I was nervousabout the whole gaining because
I was like, man, if I startputting my clients on this and
they start gaining weight, thesewomen, yeah, they're gonna jump
off a bridge, you know.

SPEAKER_03 (27:26):
The main thing is if they're regimented or if we're
regimented, like this is whatwe're doing on a daily basis,
and adding it onto that isadditive.
But like if I'm going to likejust go and drink like half a
liter of vodka, yeah, like thatit's it's probably not
beneficial.
It might actually be beneficialto have some creatine, but like

(27:50):
it's like what what are youtrying to gain from here?
Yeah, like you're still likebeating yourself up.
Like if you're gonna optimize,let's optimize.

SPEAKER_00 (28:01):
And don't you guys feel like it should be a daily
thing, not just like once in ayeah, I agree.

SPEAKER_03 (28:06):
Yeah, at least five out of seven days.
Yeah, I I personally think fiveout of seven days minimum to
actually get a benefit fromanything like that.
Yeah, even like you said, PeterAtia is like, oh, supplements
don't mean anything if you'renot working out.
Like that that makes you seemlike you have to be training to

(28:27):
have any benefits fromsupplements.

SPEAKER_04 (28:29):
Well, even some of the physicians, they're like,
oh, you don't need amultivitamin, it's all in your
food.
But look at people's diets.
Like, I eat pretty healthy, butlike, look at most people,
they're not eating whole foods,it's usually processed, and even
like we're you're buyingnon-organic foods or you know,
non-grass-fed meats, you're notgetting like the vitamins and

(28:49):
minerals that you actually need.
So you do need to supplement it.
And it's gotten worse and worseas the soils have gotten worse
and they don't have thenutrients that they used to.
You could eat an apple and thinkit's good, but you know, it's
got glyphosate, it's got wax onit, it's you know, it's been on
the shelf for nine months, andeverything's genetically

(29:12):
modified to grow bigger, likejust appease, tastes different,
yeah.
Like that's what's freaky.
Like when you go to choosegrapes and they're like Jolly
Rancher grapes and like thedifferent tastes.
I'm like, oh, I'm definitely notbuying that stuff.

SPEAKER_03 (29:28):
Yeah, like we're watching the chef's table.
Like this from like years ago,it was like one of the first uh
episodes, and it was like one ofthe guys that got the whole farm
to table like thing going.
It was just like people don'trealize it's like it's it's from
the farming, it's from howthings are raised, like like

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oats are really good for you,but like the way oats are now,
they are not, yeah.
And not just that, like you cantaste the difference between
what's good for you and what'snot, yeah.
And that's like 60% your diet isare these like oats, wheat, uh
like grains that come from thesoil, but like you've just been

(30:14):
like the industry's been trainedto grow and feed you this stuff
that you want, and like it's anegative cycle where like you if
you actually seek the betterstuff, it tastes better, it's
better for you, and it it you'rejust gonna live a healthier

(30:35):
life.

SPEAKER_04 (30:36):
And knowing what you know, like I think with fruits
and stuff, you gotta know what'sin season too.
And like don't get stuff that'sout of season because it's like
artificially grown or grow likeunless you're in Costa Rica in
any whatever any time of theyear.
Yeah, because like one of thethings I fight with my wife, she
likes to go to AJ's.

(30:56):
I'm like, AJ's is for like ifyou want like nice olive oil or
like good cheese or somethinglike that, but like for fruits
and veget vegetables, like yeah,they get some exotic fruits and
stuff, but like a lot of theirfruits and vegetables, they're
organic sections like this big,and you don't have much to
choose from.

(31:17):
And I like Whole Foods becauseyou have all these organic
products, and like I I chatGPT'd what like it means to be
organic, and like they gothrough pretty extensive stuff.
Like the farms have to be threeyears, the soil has to be, you
know, certain type of soil andcertain fertilizer fertilizers

(31:37):
and dirt.
So I'm like, this is this is thereason that you need to just be
organic, and no matter what,even though like there's 12, you
know, like oranges, they don'tthey don't get the glyphosate or
pesticides, but like still it'snot gonna be as nutritious
because if it's not like apassion fruit from the AJ's,
yeah, and I didn't realize andlike I looked at the receipt,

(32:01):
like I paid six bucks a passionfruit.

SPEAKER_03 (32:04):
Like each one serves like one tablespoon of yeah,
like their mango stenes, liketwenty dollars.

SPEAKER_04 (32:11):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Um but yeah, um like I what areyour favorite fruits?

SPEAKER_00 (32:18):
Yeah, I like berries.
Blueberries are probably myfavorite, yeah, raspberries,
blackberries.

SPEAKER_04 (32:24):
Yeah, but those are like kind of hard like and the
problem with Whole Foods is Idon't think they do a good job
at keeping fresh products onbecause a lot of the stuff seems
like it's already seven days oldand it's organic, and you get it
sometimes it's already moldy, orlike you take it all the time.
You drive whole serving out ofit.

(32:46):
Or you're talking about you orno, I would I would never do
like the pickup because I don'ttrust them with my produce.
Yeah, like I'm like they theyalready don't do a good job
putting it on the shelf.
Forget about someone actuallyputting it into bags for you.

SPEAKER_03 (33:01):
So my my daughter did uh it was like a science
project for like sixth grade.
She tested out like because wewere like, okay, let's see how
long these pesticides keep likethese berries fresh.
Don't refrigerate them, justkeep them on the counter.
And the the funny thing is, likethe stuff that's not

(33:26):
refrigerated with pesticideswithin like two, three days went
like just had fungus grown allover.
The organic stuff went likeseven to like ten days without
like growing any fungus on it.
Wow, which was I I was shockedbecause I was like, okay, if
you're gonna add chemicals, it'sto make sure it stays fresh and

(33:49):
like looks good, but it's likewithin like three to four days
from the same store, also.
It's usually the total opposite,though.
I I thought so too.
Like that one little experiment,I was like, Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (34:05):
Oh, well, Whole Foods is different.
Like, if you buy their organicand they're non-organic, the non
non-organic, you can have itlike three weeks later, and the
organic try it out, try it outrecently.

SPEAKER_03 (34:18):
After that thing, I tested out once.

SPEAKER_04 (34:20):
I'm telling you, like sometimes I buy the
non-organic blueberries and theycould sit in the fridge like
forever, forever.
The organic ones, like if youdon't eat them within five days,
they're the raspberries.

SPEAKER_00 (34:32):
Like, I'll I'll get like one day, and then I'm like,
okay, they're moldy.

SPEAKER_03 (34:36):
Yeah, I definitely get everything organic.
I'm just like, uh, they there'sno all the benefits from
actually eating this is likethrown out the window.

SPEAKER_00 (34:47):
If I well, don't you feel too that when you guys eat
clean and organic, you feelfuller because you're you're
getting the nutrients.

SPEAKER_04 (34:56):
Yeah, yeah, I agree.
Yeah, it usually tastes better.
But whole foods, like you know,I don't know, their food goes
bad, so you're like, it's reallyorganic.
But a lot of times the flavor'snot there.
But like you always gotta lookwhat's in season.
If it's not in season, like youknow, it's not gonna be good.

SPEAKER_03 (35:21):
Yeah, pumpkin season.
Pumpkin spice latte.
PSL squash.

SPEAKER_04 (35:27):
No, squash is great.

SPEAKER_03 (35:28):
I personally hate fall like flavors and stuff.
Like my wife daughter love it,but like pumpkin spice, squash,
all that stuff.
I don't know why.
I've never liked it.

SPEAKER_04 (35:43):
Yeah, and it's a weird flavor because I'm always
like, oh, this stuff should begood.
And like I try it and I'm like,why did I get pumpkin spice?

SPEAKER_00 (35:52):
I'm like, um it's not very sweet, it is a
different flavor.

SPEAKER_04 (35:56):
It's almost like a bitter cinnamon or something,
right?
Yeah.
So workouts, food, we discussedany form of biohacking you're
into, cold plunges, red lightthat we're gonna do.

SPEAKER_03 (36:11):
Well, actually, like workout routine.
What do you do for a workoutroutine?
Like, let's say, like on aseven-day basis, like how many
days of resistance training, howmany days of cardio, like how
much time and and how you dividethat all up?

SPEAKER_00 (36:31):
So I just like group fitness.
I like to be around people.
So I don't really have astructure where I have to get a
certain amount, but it wouldkind of like with my flow, it
ends up being, I would say, like15, 20 minutes of cardio,
typically, like with the stairsand the bounce class would be
like 30 minutes of cardio.
Um, the resistance training,those are typically like

(36:53):
30-minute classes that we'll do.
And I'll usually lead those.
So sometimes it's banded.
Um, it might be absent booty,might be push-ups and squats and
step-ups and maybe littledumbbells.
Or if I take group classes, itwould be like they usually
incorporate like a little bit ofweight training.
The gym, though, the actual likegym, I don't really go to the
gym and go lift ever.

SPEAKER_03 (37:15):
It's it's like high high intensity.
High intensity, yeah.
That's typically what I do.
Okay, keep the heart rate goingthe whole time.

SPEAKER_00 (37:22):
Yep.

SPEAKER_03 (37:23):
Get little light breaks in between.

SPEAKER_00 (37:25):
And I do like in Habasu, when when I move out
there permanently, I'll run acouple times on the beach.
I just did a race, um, like a10K scramble.
So it was like an elevated hikewith some rock climbing.
I've never done anything likethat.

SPEAKER_03 (37:40):
So I was hunger game style?

SPEAKER_00 (37:42):
No, not that, not that intense.
But um, so I was preparing forthat and I would run a mountain
every Sunday.
That's not my norm though, to dothat.
But I'm to train for that, I didthat.

SPEAKER_03 (37:52):
So what's your on-off schedule?
Do you take off days or it'slike uh okay, I'm kind of like
yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (37:59):
Well, it because I'm coordinating the routine.
So I'll just, you know, if I didlegs the next day, I'll do upper
body.

SPEAKER_03 (38:05):
Yeah, you know, no office.

SPEAKER_00 (38:07):
If I went to the gym, I'd probably have more of
like a structure like that, butI feel like I just get a little
bit of everything.

SPEAKER_03 (38:12):
Do you take like no off days?
Do you go in?

SPEAKER_00 (38:14):
Yeah, I I really don't take off days.

SPEAKER_03 (38:17):
It's her business.
No, I know, no, it makes sense.
Like it's a good thing.
I sometimes get into it.

SPEAKER_00 (38:24):
But but I don't take off days.
And I'm super competitive too.
So it's like if I'm in there bymyself and I always like find
someone that I want to likecompete with silently.

SPEAKER_03 (38:35):
Do you do any yoga or stretching?

SPEAKER_00 (38:37):
Yeah, yeah.
I I do my stretching and rollingevery morning, and then um yoga,
I don't do as much as I should.
I used to do it all the time,but I would say like maybe three
times a month.
I should do it once a week.

SPEAKER_03 (38:51):
It's pretty good.

SPEAKER_00 (38:52):
Yeah, that's yeah, but that's probably what I need
more than anything.

SPEAKER_04 (38:56):
So any form of biohacking or anything, like red
lights, plunges, or anything?

SPEAKER_00 (39:00):
Um, I have the leg sleeves, so I like to do those a
lot.
I have ne I don't think I'veever done red light.
Yeah, I have coal plunge once.
Yeah, thankfully, um, they wereclosing and I had to get out
right away, which was I was notmad about.

SPEAKER_02 (39:13):
How long did you do it for?

SPEAKER_00 (39:14):
Two minutes.

SPEAKER_02 (39:15):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (39:16):
That was not my favorite.

SPEAKER_02 (39:17):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (39:17):
Um, cryo, I've done that.

SPEAKER_02 (39:19):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (39:20):
I actually did that when I was going through that
nerve stuff.
So I did that every day for amonth.

SPEAKER_05 (39:24):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (39:25):
And people asked if it helped.
I would say it helped because Ithink I left their numb.

SPEAKER_04 (39:29):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (39:29):
And then as soon as it wore off, it the pain came.

SPEAKER_04 (39:32):
Yeah, I think that's like the cryotherapy, like
without the cold plunge, I thinkit's totally different.
And just like um like I waslistening to that podcast, they
were talking about uh the hottubs for men, like you know,
testicular function, and uh theywere talking about IV IVF and um

(39:53):
and like if you're in a hot tubthat's not good because overall
temperatures raise.
But if you're like in a sauna,that's dry air, so that heat
doesn't convert just like thewater heat is.
So like it's not as good to bein like you could be in a sauna,
it won't affect like how yoursperm functions as compared to

(40:17):
if you're going to a hot tubthree, four times a week, it's
not good for you.

SPEAKER_00 (40:21):
So I just heard something about the cold plunge
that women should not be as coldas the guys.
So that's another thing.
Like when you go and it's 34degrees, they were saying women
should be 50 for it to beeffective.

SPEAKER_03 (40:36):
Yeah, and but even for men, they say it doesn't
need to be that cold.
Yeah, like it doesn't need tobe.

SPEAKER_04 (40:41):
Yeah, people are just like I think it's just the
people kind of mess of it, pushit.
Yeah.
And like how how healthy it is,how long you do it for.
Yeah, it's like it's all overthe place, you know.
And that's why I really haven'tgotten too much into it every
once in a while.
If I have like aches and pains,I'll like you know, during the
winter time, I'll jump in mypool.

(41:03):
I'll have an actual fourpush-ups.
If I really believed in it, Iprobably would have a tank at
home, but yeah, you know, it'snot like an end-all be all um
that is.
Yeah, it's not my favorite.

SPEAKER_00 (41:15):
Yeah, I don't like it.

SPEAKER_03 (41:16):
It's definitely not my favorite.
I did it, I've only done acouple times.
The first time I I did it likeat our gym, like went like three
minutes, and then the next timesome guy was next to me, and
like right when I got out, he'slike, Oh, how long do you do
this for?
I was like, Oh, I just did itsix minutes.
So, oh, I only do this threeminutes.

(41:37):
Like, this is one of the coldestcold plunges.
I was like, What do you mean?
I was like, I I have no idea,yeah, like what this temperature
is compared to other coldplunge.
He's like, Yeah, this is areally cold cold plunge.
So I asked him in the front,he's like, Oh yeah, we keep it
at like 35 degrees.
Yeah, and I went there for likesix minutes and it felt like

(42:00):
pins and needles all over mywhole body.
I just like, oh, this actuallyfeels so nuts that I was just
like, I kind of like thatfeeling, but I definitely look
like a weirdo because I got outand it was just like it does
smell like pins and needles, andthen they say not to get warm
after to just naturally that'sjust not fun for me.

SPEAKER_04 (42:22):
But you're supposed, you know, like in in like
Finland and stuff, they're doingsauna, hot tub, sauna, hot tub
back and forth.
Yeah, yeah.
Um, and like, you know, somepeople are like you shouldn't co
cold plunge before working outor like after working out
because you're you know, you'retrying to build well, you could
do it before, and like how muchtime between because when you're

(42:44):
trying to build muscle, youdon't want to like kick, you
know, kill your inflammatoryprocess that you are your body's
trying to build muscle, andyou're gonna you you know you're
not gonna gain muscle save orsomething.

SPEAKER_00 (42:56):
I know, like I just feel like I'm building muscle
without cold plunging fine.

SPEAKER_03 (43:00):
First time I went in the cold plunge because it was
like, oh, just go in the go inthe hot tub before you go in the
gold cold plunge because you'llbe able to tolerate a little
better.
And I went in the um sauna forlike 10 minutes, jumped in the

(43:20):
cold plunge for three minutes,went back in the sauna for 10
minutes, and my my resting heartrate that night on the sleep
monitor thing was like in thehigh 50s, and I haven't been
able to break like low 70s, soI'm usually like high 70s, and

(43:41):
it went like 58 that night, andthen like it gradually kind of
climbed up like it the residualeffects.
I I can't like attribute it tolike anything else I did.
I didn't do anything else, yeah,like out of the norm.
So it was like 58, like 62, 67,and then back up into the 70s.

(44:06):
And then I I tried to repeat it,even that time I I spent like
five minutes, six minutes in thecold plunge, yeah, and my
resting heart rate never droppedlike that low, or never had that
effect.
And this last week, like Ididn't do the cold plunge, but

(44:27):
did like 15 minutes in thesauna, went and did a light like
resistance workout, went back inthe sauna 15 minutes and heart
rate dropped back to like thelow 60s for like two, three
days, and then started climbingback up.

SPEAKER_00 (44:46):
So you're seeing benefits.

SPEAKER_03 (44:48):
So yeah, it also like when I don't drink the
night before, yeah, that thatdrops my resting heart rate at
least at least 10 beats aminute.
And it's just like, okay, howmuch harm am I doing with like
one drink, two drinks, threedrinks, like this like legit

(45:09):
poison like I'm ingestingbecause it it it that will have
a 10 heartbeat like difference,and then like doing sauna like
calisthenics, like we'll dropanother five to ten points.
I I think that's anecdotal datafor me.

SPEAKER_04 (45:31):
Uh if I eat a steak, my heart rate is up like in the
eighties at rest.
Like even if I eat it at sixo'clock at night or eight
o'clock at night, it like nevergoes down until like later on in
the night.
It's like I my body has such ahard time breaking down meat.
I do too.

(45:51):
I I eat it anyway.
So it's like you know, I I caneat chicken, but it look I love
my steaks every once in a while.
But I notice I'm like up myheart rate's up in the 80s, like
when I look at my data.

SPEAKER_03 (46:04):
It's kind of crazy when like you're actually paying
attention to this stuff, andlike your heart rate's in the
80s, and you look at it andyou're like, holy shit, I'm
having a fucking heart attackright now.
I gotta get this shit undercontrol.

SPEAKER_00 (46:17):
Yeah, that's nuts.

SPEAKER_03 (46:18):
What else do you do to uh wind down?
Any favorite vacation spots,meditation things you do that
people might not know you do?

SPEAKER_00 (46:29):
Um meditations more in the morning.
I honestly, I think I just go,go, go all day that it's very
easy for me to wind down.

SPEAKER_05 (46:37):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (46:38):
You know, I have never tested the REM sleep, and
I would be curious, but I couldfall asleep standing up.

SPEAKER_05 (46:44):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (46:45):
I mean, the second I get home and I'm done, I'll
check all my emails and mysocial media again one more time
and just I do a lot offollow-ups with my clients, and
that's like super important.
I have my little schedule that Ido that.
So I want to make sure that Iget that done, and then the
second I kick my feet up, Ialways have my shake right
before I go to bed.
That's like my favorite meal ofthe day, my protein shake.

SPEAKER_03 (47:05):
You have the shake right before you go to bed.

SPEAKER_00 (47:08):
Yes, and I should wait an hour or two, but I don't
because I'm so tired.

SPEAKER_04 (47:11):
So they they kind of say you have in your night
nighttime shake.

SPEAKER_00 (47:15):
So it's ice and water and then powder.
So yeah, the protein powder, butI make it like really thick and
eat it with a spoon, like I'meating ice cream.
It's kind of like when someonehas a glass of wine to wind
down.
Yeah.
I go home, kick my shoes off,make my shake sit on the couch,
and you can't.

SPEAKER_03 (47:31):
You train yourself that like that's your that's
it's time to and it's honestlywhen everyone leaves.

SPEAKER_00 (47:38):
Like if people are over, I wait.
Like if everyone has a shake, Iwait till they leave.
It's like my okay, I'm done withthis.
What's your go- then you'relike, I'm gonna have this shake
and then I'm like, it's gottago.

SPEAKER_04 (47:51):
What's your go-to protein?

SPEAKER_00 (47:53):
Um it's herbalife.
So it's a plant-based one thatwe have different ones.
There's a whey-based one, and Ilike that for after a workout,
but it doesn't, um, whey doesn'tagree with me as well as the
plant-based ones.

SPEAKER_04 (48:04):
But you mix both, you have whey and you have to do
it.

SPEAKER_00 (48:07):
So I'll do the whey after a workout, yeah,
different, and then I'll do theplant-based one right before
bed.

SPEAKER_03 (48:12):
Yeah.
Yeah, because how much can youbench press?

SPEAKER_00 (48:15):
You know what?
I don't do chest press.
I don't do bench press.

SPEAKER_03 (48:18):
Same thing about measuring your buttons.

SPEAKER_00 (48:20):
I don't think I really live that heavy when I go
to the gym.

SPEAKER_03 (48:24):
I don't either.
Yeah.
Shocking.

SPEAKER_04 (48:26):
Yeah.
And in my young days I did, butnowadays it's like, you know,
one of our friends is like, he'san anesthesiologist, and he
talks about like doing what whatdoes he talk about?
Like about um like squat, likecleans, not squats, clean.

SPEAKER_03 (48:44):
Oh, but he's he's doing like legit weight, but
it's still not like what he waswhen he was like powerlifting.

SPEAKER_04 (48:50):
Yeah.
Uh but he he does jujitsu.
I guess he still kind ofcompetes in some of that stuff,
so you you need some of that.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (49:00):
I have such a but I'm like, I even I don't want to
ruin my joints because we yeah,I mostly do resistance bands,
yeah.
And then like once or twice aweek, I'll go to the gym and and
put up weights.
Um, and it it's just for likemaintenance.
And I like visiting Rod Mayor,like he was doing curls with

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like one of the heavier uhharambe belts, yeah.
And like the first night I waslike, I can't do it.
He's like, dude, it's just likea mental thing, you just gotta
get over that aspect.
And I was like, okay, I can dothree of those.
So I've I've been going kind ofheavy with that, but it's at

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home.
Most of my workouts are like 20to 40 minutes tops, 40 minutes
for legs, yeah, 20 minutesanything upper body.
I'm just like, I I actually feelbetter and I don't have like the
joint pains, but I do go to thegym, and anytime I'm at the gym,
I'm tempted to do stupid shit.

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Or just like, oh let me let mego see.
Oh, this looks fucking heavy.
Let me go see if I can if I canincline press that, and I'm
like, yeah, I could, but yeah, II feel a pain.

SPEAKER_00 (50:19):
I feel the same, like the joints and stuff when
you start.
I feel like we don't need to dothat as we age.

SPEAKER_04 (50:23):
It's I'm like, I don't play football anymore.
Um like I'm not wrestling.
Not even that, like, even inwhat do I need to do cleans for?

SPEAKER_03 (50:30):
You know, like in undergrad, I would like
crossfit.
In undergrad, I would put onlike an extra 25 pounds, be
like, oh, okay, this like 275.
Impress the girls at the gym.
Like, nobody in here even knowshow much weight is on this bar.
Who am I trying to impress?
I'm just like throwing out myshoulder, like I'm gonna just

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suffocate.

SPEAKER_04 (50:53):
Yeah, I did CrossFit for a while, and like, yeah,
just having that competitiveedge.
It's like, you know, like justtrying to compete with the
younger people, and like same.
And I was always sore.

SPEAKER_00 (51:05):
Yeah, and then they'd be like, Well, modify
them.
Like, CrossFit is not like amodifying type workout.
I don't want to come here tomodify CrossFit.

SPEAKER_03 (51:11):
Oh, you have to perfect your form.
This is what everybody's talkingabout, you you need to just use
good form.
I'm like, yeah, yeah, likesnatches.

SPEAKER_04 (51:18):
If you have a good coach, it makes a difference.
But like when I came from NewYork to here, New York, I had
good coaches that would warm upand they were careful with it.
And I I went at the late class,so it was like more the older
people than like whenever I wentto the earlier classes competing
with the younger people.

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They're all over my shins, butit's just like you might not be
doing the workout.
Yeah, they were more from likecleans because I'd keep the bar
against my leg and just scrapeit up and down.
Um, but like when I came to camehere, it was like, you know, it
wasn't really like the coachesdidn't really warm you up.

(52:00):
You just they just told you togo run outside and then come
back in, and then you startedyour workout.
Over there, they went throughthe movie.

SPEAKER_00 (52:08):
I did it for five years.
I loved it.
I loved the short burst.

SPEAKER_04 (52:12):
It was like 20 minutes.
You had a great workout, it justfelt good.
I like felt like it's a goodidea.
It never felt good.

SPEAKER_00 (52:19):
I mean, that kind of stuff's fun.
Yeah, the endurance part of it Iloved, and I learned a lot.
So, like when I would do aSpartan race or something,
CrossFit came in handy.
Yes, some of the funky stuffthat you would do, so I wouldn't
get hurt.
Yeah, but I always was sore.
I just felt like I was alwaysbabying something.
And so when I gave it up, I wassad because I'm like, man, it
was part of my I did it fivedays a week.

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But I'll tell you what, I'm likeoh, I'm going back because I
feel so much better.

SPEAKER_04 (52:49):
And I'm like, uh, I'm a surgeon, I can't be doing
that.

SPEAKER_00 (52:51):
Yeah, I just think it's cool, but it was it was
time for me to but you think Icould beat you in arm wrestling?
Probably, huh?
Yeah, probably.
I'm not gonna I wouldn't repeatthat.

SPEAKER_03 (53:00):
He's weak.
That's why I asked you about themeasurements and how much you
bench press.
I want to gauge you up before Ichallenge you to normally.
I didn't follow that up with thequestion would be like, let's
arm wrestle.

SPEAKER_04 (53:13):
Yeah, how about the slapping competition?
Oh no, yeah.
So I don't even know how thatbecame a actual sport.

SPEAKER_03 (53:20):
Rodmere started that.
So our neurosurger brother wouldI think it was some of his
wrestling teammates in Boston.
He'd just like come up, likewe'd be drinking and just smack
you in the face, punch you, slapyou, one or the other, and be
like, all right, smack you inthe face competition.

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You either say, Okay, you gotme, you win, or you try to hit
them harder and have them giveup, and just goes back and
forth.
So it never end up in a goodplace.
So we do we just end up likethat's some of the hardest times
I've been hit in the face.

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Yeah, that does not sound fun.
Because I'm not gonna give up.
Like, I'm not gonna go out likeno punk bitch.
Like, I just took that punch tothe face and I'm not out.
So I'm gonna try to hit you hardenough to make you quit.
I I just don't know like whatyou're talking about, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (54:18):
Expo sort of.
But I I don't know.
I don't know in the age of TBIs,how like the slapping
competition.

SPEAKER_03 (54:26):
Dude, one time he hit me in the jaw, I was just
like, holy shit, I don't knowhow my jaw didn't fucking break.
And we're it's it's just like itwas Jeremy, like one of our
family friends, and three of us,and we're just going back and
forth doing this, so it's notlike we're not a show for

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anybody.
Just like I I remember just likesitting there with like the room
spinning around, like, holyshit.
Like, and it it literally whenhe punched me, I was like, that
sounded like a freaking twigsnapped.

SPEAKER_04 (55:02):
But how are these guys practicing?
I wonder how they practice thethe slapping competitions that
you see.

SPEAKER_03 (55:08):
Oh, yeah, I don't know about that.
Do you want to start trainingfor it?

SPEAKER_00 (55:12):
It's an actual thing, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (55:14):
The slapping competitions, it wasn't just
something you you did with yourfriends.
No, no, no.
Oh, this was before the slappingthing was a competition.
Now it's a thing.

SPEAKER_04 (55:22):
I'm like, just like idiots to this.
I didn't know like the and wewere training.
Bare knuckle fighting.
That's like, yeah, I was like atmy barber, and I'm like, this
this shit's real.
They're like bare knuckle, like,and it wouldn't last that long,
and there's blood everywhere.
Both like everyone's like justcut up.

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I'm like, that's just barbaric.
I'm like, I don't know how theyallow this stuff to happen.

SPEAKER_03 (55:48):
It's interesting.
No, more like you were like,that's barbaric.
I think I can be good at it.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (55:53):
Well, I I did it for a little bit, but yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_03 (55:56):
It's like, oh, I'm so above this.

SPEAKER_04 (55:59):
It's like, no, but I I was a wrestler, I was more of
a wrestler than like you know, aboxer.
Yeah.
Didn't take too many hits to thehead.

SPEAKER_03 (56:10):
Thank God.
I can't believe I didn't taketoo many hits to the head, by
the way.
That's one thing I'm gratefulfor.

SPEAKER_04 (56:26):
Look at Bruce Willis.
Bruce Willis took too many shotsto the head.
Now he's like it's kind of sad.
He's like weathering away.
Is he?
Yeah, oh he's got like real likehe's got frontal lobe dementia.
He's like, yeah, he's uh in itslike late stages.
He doesn't remember what he didor anything.

SPEAKER_03 (56:47):
Is Michael J.
Fox still alive?

SPEAKER_04 (56:50):
Yeah, Michael J.
Fox is doing fine.
He's got Parkinson's.
He's doing better than BruceWillis.
Oh yeah.
Yeah, you should see BruceWillis is like he looks like
he's 90.
Oh no, yeah.
Yeah, it's it's kind of sad.
It showed up.
It was like Demi Moore was therewith their kids and stuff.
Like, yeah, it it's really likeI didn't even know, and it went

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pretty quick.
He went pretty quick.
I think he got diagnosed in2023, 2022 or 23, but he it's
like he's like right down thedrain.

SPEAKER_03 (57:24):
That's where I tip my hat and say yippie cotton.

SPEAKER_04 (57:27):
He should go and get stem cells to the brain.

SPEAKER_03 (57:30):
Yeah, or whatever, it doesn't matter.
Like just do crack.
Like who knows?
Like, what's the fountain ofyouth at that point?

SPEAKER_04 (57:37):
Well, I don't know.
I would I think that the wholestem cell ultrasound guided stem
cell treatments.

SPEAKER_03 (57:42):
What do you think about stem cells mixed with
crack?
Would that speed up stem cellintake?

SPEAKER_04 (57:49):
It would kill off the stem cells, I think.

SPEAKER_00 (57:51):
What can stem cells do anything for neuropathy?

SPEAKER_04 (57:55):
Yeah, like if it matters where you're inject
injecting and stuff.

SPEAKER_00 (57:59):
What do you mean neuropathy and what my dad has
it in his feet?

SPEAKER_03 (58:02):
Okay.
Diabetes?
Just what was it from old age?

SPEAKER_00 (58:08):
Probably old age.
He's 78.

SPEAKER_04 (58:10):
Does he have lower back problems or I don't think
so.

SPEAKER_00 (58:15):
He's not on any medications.

SPEAKER_03 (58:16):
I honestly don't think it would be like it's low
risk and potential benefit.
So even if there's a placeboeffect, even if it doesn't
affect it itself, like it'sworth trying because the risk is
like so low.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (58:34):
Like the biggest he leads a walk club, and so he he
I'd go, Dad, because he's alwayslooking down.
I go, What are you doing?
Like your posture.
He's like, I I can't feel myfeet, so I have to like look
down when I walk.

SPEAKER_04 (58:45):
Oh, have him try like peptide-wise, uh, like CJC
epumorlin is really good atre-regenerating some of the
nerves and stuff.
And you know, just like growthhormone, if you have like real
bad traumatic brain injury or umany sort of nerve injury.
Um growth hormone not longevity,you can't call it longevity.

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True.
Um, because growth hormone isgonna reverse.
You're gonna age like quicker ifyou're getting more growth
hormone, you're not gonna liveas long.

SPEAKER_03 (59:19):
But as you have high growth hormone, have less and
less growth hormone.

SPEAKER_04 (59:23):
Yeah.
But if if you're kind ofspeeding up aging with growth
hormone because you're growing.
Yeah, so that's that's why likeall these like bodybuilders and
stuff that take growth hormoneall their life, they're you
know, they get cardiomyopathyand they die.

SPEAKER_03 (59:41):
I thought it's because they're like kind of
superdosing it.

SPEAKER_04 (59:44):
Yeah, but you you like it's not growth hormone
isn't, you know, even likemicrodosing it, it's not a
longevity medicine.
You're gonna take it's beenshown in studies, you're gonna
take years off your life.
Okay.
But you're gonna live a betterquality life.
Life won't live as long.
Yeah, it will be shorter.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:04):
Um, I was picturing like some way to reach out.

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:07):
But if you have like some jack with but if you have
some nerve injuries or brainsteminjury, like if you take growth
hormone, that's you know, youcould regain some of that
function back because of and yougot to pretty quickly take it so
it helps that.
And like, you know, CJCepimorlin kind of causes you to
increase um how much yourelease.

(01:00:29):
Uh and you know, a lot of myfriends, you know, they've had
back surgeries and stuff thatI've prescribed it to them, and
like they continue to have painafter surgery, but once they
started to get on CJC epimorlin,all that went away.
And for me too, like I had uhcervical discarnations and like
I had neuropathies in both hand,uh me in my right, like fourth

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and fifth fingers, and that allwent away.
Like even pains and stuff, likeit kind of went away.
So um, yeah, like some of thegrowth hormone releasing
peptides, especially if it's notdiabetes or like some people
have like um, and even withthose, it could help too.
Uh uh some people couldpotentially hit 71 home runs for

(01:01:15):
the giants.
So nice, yeah.
Some of the like CJC epimorin Iit it works pretty well, the
like the growth hormonereleasing peptides.
That's what I would suggest.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:26):
I'll tell them.
Yeah.