What JohnJay Van Es Knows About Aging That You Don’t

Dive into the world of extreme biohacking with JohnJay Van Es, radio host and longevity enthusiast.

From his 3 AM morning ritual to cutting-edge treatments like peptides, NAD+ therapy, and stem cell procedures, JohnJay shares his journey to peak performance and extended healthspan.

Learn how sleep tracking and cold therapy transformed his recovery and mental clarity, and hear powerful stories of health breakthroughs through experimental therapies.

With expert hosts guiding the conversation, this episode balances science and curiosity to explore the future of personalized health and performance optimization.

Want to elevate your wellness? Press play and discover JohnJay’s top biohacks for a healthier, longer life.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:19):
So, John Jay, welcome to the pod.
Thanks man.
So can you introduce yourself?

Speaker 3 (00:33):
What welcome to the pod.
Thanks, man.
So can you introduce yourself?
What other than how I canintroduce you?
My name is john jay.
I host a radio show, um, andI'm totally into anti-aging and
living as long as possible youhave a whole routine when you
wake up.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
I got a bunch of routines.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
I'm a I'm a routine freak or rituals.
I was going to say I'm OCD, butI think it's more.
I'm into these rituals that Ilike to do.
You know, and I don't reallyhave any a lot of medical
science to back things up, Ijust do it.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
But you guys are doctors, so I can't wait to pick
your brains.
Exactly this is going to beawesome.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
So, first thing, we're huge on sleep.
Sleep's like the biggest thing,but your sleep schedule is
structured for your life becauseyour radio show, am radio show
host you wake up really earlyand go to bed early, so what's?

Speaker 3 (01:18):
your pattern.
I try to go to bed early, liketonight, I will not be going to
bed early.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
But what's?

Speaker 3 (01:23):
early for you is like 7 pm.
I try to go to bed between 7and 8 pm if I can for the, for
the.
You know, I have three boys a 22year old, a 21 year old, an 18
year old.
When they were younger, Ididn't go to bed till like 9 or
10 and I would get up at 3, andwhen I look back, the more you
know.
Sleep has been in the news alot and everyone's been
researching sleep right, the orrings, the whoops I got them

(01:44):
both.
It's like I really wish that Iwould have been focused on sleep
years ago in my career, becauseI think you know, first of all,
it affects your eating.

Speaker 4 (01:53):
You're eating carbs, you're you make bad decisions on
lack of sleep and I like, evenif you look at Dave Asprey's
book, like I think I read whenit was the keto diet or
bulletproof diet he's like yousleep when you die, but now it's

(02:18):
like you know, three, fouryears later, everyone talks
about sleep.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
But even him Even him .

Speaker 1 (02:25):
Every biohacker talks about sleep, but even him every
biohacker, I think sleep's akey component because, like, if,
whenever you're in deep sleepor REM sleep, whenever you're
dreaming there's some peoplethat don't really dream much,
but like, whenever you'redreaming, that's an active
process.
You're living through thatscenario and then somehow comes
to an abrupt stop, right, andyou like wake up.

(02:47):
But I think that's why like,sleeping is in like an active
form of recovery or an activeform of yourself.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
Yeah, I think sleep is incredible.
I get, like you know, I do aradio show and I prep all day
the day before the show yeah, um, and sometimes like if I gotta
go to a phoenix suns game orthere's a concert I gotta go to
and I am up late, it affects myshow the next day.
But I could go to bed on atuesday at 6, 30, if it ever

(03:19):
happens, and get up at three andbe fully rested without a show
that's planned, and have a hellof a show, a great show, and
it's all about the great qualityof sleep.
I see the difference.
How do you prep for it?
For my show or for sleep, foryour sleep?
Well, I try to go to bed.
Here's an example my wife wasout of town last week and I went

(03:40):
to bed pretty much 7, 30, 8o'clock every night, got a great
night's sleep.
She came back into town onThursday.
I had to pick her up at theairport.
Her flight was at 9.
Could have had an Uber, do it?
Could have had whatever.
She landed at 9.
And I was like, oh my God, Iwant to be like a great husband.
So I picked her up, we talked,I didn to, went to bed a

(04:05):
reasonable time, but thenSaturday we had to go to Tucson
for a wedding.
Didn't get bed till midnight,so it's like I can't catch up.
Do you know what I mean?
like I'm trying to keep fallingbehind the best way to get a
good night's sleep is probablyto not be married and have kids.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
I'm kidding no dogs, no cats, no animals.

Speaker 4 (04:25):
LeBronames.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
He sleep 18 hours a day right and he got the the
hyperbaric chambers and he'ssleeping in total darkness.
He's cold plunging, he's cryo.

Speaker 4 (04:34):
So with sleep.
So how's your diet, do you?
When do you have your last meal, if your schedule is like that,
my doctor a couple years agoput me on uh the uh intermittent
fast.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
So I do an 18 hour fast.
So my first meal of the day isaround one and my last meal of
the day is set for seven.
But lately I've been trying togo five, yeah, and I sleep
better.
Yeah, I sleep better in mymeals at five, like I try to,
and that affects the wholefamily because we try to eat
together as a family.

Speaker 4 (05:04):
Now we all want to eat earlier, so the earlier I
eat, the better I sleep yeah,like my wife's a late eater and
like she'll order like what ubereats or whatever at like eight
o'clock at night or 8 30 atnight and I'm like don't order
anything for me, I'm not gonnaeat, you know so you do the same
thing, yeah, I I just like youknow, I usually like try to

(05:26):
finish eating by six, seveno'clock.
You want like three, four hoursbefore you go to bed right.

Speaker 3 (05:32):
Is that what you're gonna be around?
Nine or ten?

Speaker 4 (05:33):
ten, um, yeah, nine or ten is usually prior to I
usually, I usually pass out.
I go to put my four-year-oldson to sleep at like eight
o'clock.
I'll lay on a red light mat andI'll usually pass out for like
an hour or so and then I'll wakeup.
I'll do a little bit of workand then go back to bed.
It's usually 10 or 11 o'clockbut.

(05:54):
I find uh, usually around five.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
And do you get a?
What's your sleep score?

Speaker 4 (05:59):
Um, usually eighties to nineties On the ORA ring.
Yeah, but you get a ton of deepsleep.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
Yeah, that's great.
It's always over an hour and ahalf.

Speaker 4 (06:08):
I usually get an hour hour 10 minutes, hour 20.
And that's one of the things Iwork on, because I find that my
brain functions a lot betterwhen we're in surgery.
It definitely, you know, likeI've fine-tuned my health and
then it's like now I'm trying toincrease my brain power and use
as much of my brain.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
Let me tell you guys a story about jet lag.
We went to Portugal last week,got back and I was just saying,
like what are my sleep scoresgoing to be?
On the sleep eight?
Just like six minutes of deepsleep, seven minutes of deep
sleep.
It was so whacked out I waswaking up with like 10 hours of

(06:51):
sleep, feeling tired, and Irealized like my REM sleep and
deep sleep was so like low.
That's kind of why you have theeight sleep mattress.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
Yeah, yeah, we both do.
Do you guys love it?
Yeah, okay, so you got theeight sleep mattress.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
I don't, that's my of why you have the eight sleep
mattress.
Yeah, yeah, do you guys love it?
Yeah, okay, so you got theeight sleep mattress.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
I don't, that was my.
That's my next thing.
Wait, so you have.
I see you have an aura ring.
You got the loop and the eightsleep.
Yeah, what do you have?
Apple watch, Apple watch.
And do you guys compare and seewhich one's better?
No, but you don't compare thethree.

Speaker 4 (07:21):
I researched it, read reviews and everyone was raving
about the Oura Ring.
There's the Superhuman Ringthat supposedly tells you when
you're supposed to take in yourcaffeine and everything.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
And I'm also like.

Speaker 4 (07:32):
Oura Ring, I think, has a lot more funding than
anything else.
The Superhuman Ring.
The only way I found out aboutit was some guy I met on the
plane.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
He was but you have the Oura Ring.
Yeah, I have the Oura Ring andthe Whoop.

Speaker 4 (07:43):
So when you get up in the morning you look at both
the Oura Ring's a lot easier tolook at.
I think the journaling with theWhoop is the reason I'm like.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
I don't want to write that.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
So, John, do you want to let me sell you on my thing.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
It's the Apple Watch watch, because I don't want
people, I don't want to readtheir emails, I don't want to
get distracted by a phone call.
Yeah, but I have the same thinghe does, I do the same thing
except for the eight sleep.
But the eight sleep also tellsyou how you sleep, so I compare
the whoop and the aura ringevery day.
Yeah, and I'm a little on thefence, but I'm leaning more
towards ordering.
Do you have a better?

Speaker 4 (08:17):
mattress no, I don't for sure.
Okay, yeah, all right.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
so like going away from the wearables, the eight
sleep is great for its coolingpurposes and when you cool while
you're going into deep sleep,it's really good.
They have the AI functionswhere it adjusts the
temperatures.

(08:41):
I don't know how much that addsto it, but the fact that, like
you're cooling on awater-circulated mattress cover,
it adds to my deep sleep.
I heard it's fantastic.

Speaker 4 (08:55):
Yeah, I don't have to turn up the air conditioner.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
What is your air conditioning at?
It's 74.
Check your mind Wookiee bars is68.

Speaker 4 (09:02):
Yeah, because the mattress goes down to 55.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
Yeah so the mattress keeps you cool.

Speaker 4 (09:08):
Yeah, when I first started, I took it all the way
down, but you'll wake up in themiddle of the night freezing
your ass.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
It gets so cold.

Speaker 4 (09:15):
I did that the first night too, my son's sleeping
next to me and he's all curledup.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
It's so cold.
So wait, what's yourtemperature of your arm?

Speaker 4 (09:23):
I set it to 65 or 67.

Speaker 3 (09:25):
You do yeah.

Speaker 4 (09:26):
I don't know the temperature, but it goes plus
one, two Because it reads yourbody and it adjusts right,
supposedly yeah and you canchange it as how you feel, like
if you're waking up and becauseit's too cold, like I would
adjust it to warmer.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
Are you supposed to sleep naked?
No, I would adjust it to warmer.
Are you supposed to sleep naked?
No, I think whatever you want.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
If you like to sleep naked?
I think it would be best tosleep naked.

Speaker 4 (09:52):
Yeah, sometimes I feel like it almost gets too
cold when you sleep naked.

Speaker 3 (09:58):
Oh, so it can read everything through your shirt or
pajamas, but when you wake up,you have the O-ring on your
finger, which I can only wear atnight.

Speaker 4 (10:08):
If I wear it through the day, it's hard to like work
out it's hard to do stuff.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
I, I, you know, I put it around the string on my, on
my square.
Geez, you were reaching downthere.
I was like, oh, you put itaround your junk, yeah and my
whoop.

Speaker 4 (10:15):
People think it's.
I put it around my ankle andpeople think I'm coming on my
ankle bracelet.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
So yeah, but do you look like you go?
Okay, in my whoop I got an 87.

Speaker 4 (10:26):
I'll compare every once in a while.
But like the eight sleep textme, my results and the Oura Ring
, I always open up and look at.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
The whoop is a little too complicated to read, but I
still do it.

Speaker 4 (10:38):
Yeah, I do it, especially when I work out.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
We're going to get newsletters soon, like a weekly
newsletter, and we're going toget newsletters soon, like a
weekly newsletter, and you'regoing to delete that like a spam
.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
You're going to be like ah, get the shit out of
here.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
But you do red light too.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
Yeah, I do the red light bed every day for 20
minutes.
I lay in a bed for 20 minutes,yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
Do you have a cold plunge?
I have a cold plunge in mybackyard.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
Yeah, you do red light, light, cold plunge.
I have.
I do in the morning I coldplunge and I hot tub in the
morning at three o'clock in themorning, um, and I lift some
weights and I stretch, I do allthat stuff and I meditate a
little bit okay and yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
Can we just go into order of you which ones you do
and how long?

Speaker 3 (11:19):
okay, I wake up at three and I journal I got a
little journal.
I I write, uh, all the thingsI'm grateful for, um, and then,
and then I write down a fewthings that I hope happen today.
I write those down and then Iread I have this psychology book
, which one of those things thatevery day has a motivational
quote or story about sports and,tied into motivation, about

(11:41):
kobe bryan or michael jordan.
I read that.
Then I go downstairs and, uh,if it's time for me to take my
testosterone shot, I'll take atestosterone shot or I'll drink
my electrolytes, and then Idrink some water.
And then I go upstairs to ourgym and I do some stretches.
I do some arm curls, then I dosome lunges, then I do heavier

(12:03):
arm curls, then I do some triceppull-downs, then I do some
lunges, they do heavier armcurls, that I do some tricep
pull downs, then I do some benchpress and then I do some
shoulders and then I do like acouple of yoga poses on the
ground, stretch out my body inthe morning.
And then I go downstairs, I gooutside, I jump in my hot tub
for about 10 minutes and I I sayout loud all the things that
I'm grateful for in my life,okay, and then I say a little

(12:25):
prayer.
Then I get in the cold plungefor about a minute one to three
minutes in the morning Dependson where I am, because I have to
be at work at a certain time.
So I kind of look oh I ran toolong here, I ran whatever.
So I do a minute or two minutesin the cold plunge, then I get
out and I then I do 10 push-ups,then I do a couple of stretches
, more stretches, then I getdressed.

(12:46):
I always kiss my wife goodbyeand then I get in the car, I
turn on my sauna, I get in thecar, I drink some hydranated
water and then I stop byStarbucks and then I, on the way
to work, I again out loud sayall the things I'm grateful for,
and then I say this mantra Ihave that I host the number one

(13:07):
radio show in America.
I say that over and over andover again I'm the host of the
number one show in America.
I host the number one show inAmerica.
I am the number one show inAmerica.
I say that over and over again.
Until I park, I take the stairsupstairs.
I never take the elevator.
I take the stairs upstairs andthen it's show time.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
That's my morning routine and that's 6 am.

Speaker 3 (13:28):
No, that's at 3.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
3 am.

Speaker 3 (13:30):
That's 3 to 4.30 in the morning 3 to 4.30.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
So we're talking about like did all that at 4.30,
and.
I'm like it might be time toget up now.

Speaker 3 (13:41):
It's 90 minutes that I set aside just for me.
I'm not, you know, I try to bea good dad, I try to be a good
husband, but those 90 minutes,it's all about me.
And it's straight routine, tooStraight routine and I do the
same thing on the weekends, butjust a little bit later, 6 am or
7 am, and then later on in theday.
Then I go work out.
I get off the air around 10.

(14:03):
I have whatever meetings I'mgoing to have between 10 and
10.30.
I make sure I get to the gym at11.
I train from 11 to 12, 12 to12.20.
I'm in the red light bed.
Then I go home.
I might do a hyperbaric chamber,it all depends, but then I'll
go home.
I'll usually have some plainyogurt with a protein powder, a
little creatine and some fruit,maybe watch a TV show or

(14:25):
something, and then I get in thesauna for 20 minutes.
Then out of the sauna I go andI jump back in the hot tub for a
couple minutes.
Then I go and I jump in thecold plunge for three minutes.
Then I just started this newthing after that New thing.
I started because of a guest inthis podcast studio.
I interviewed the certifiedhealth nut.
Oh, he's great, and he wasteaching me about Troy's awesome

(14:47):
.
He was telling me about, youknow, getting your butthole sun.
So now, after I get out of theshower, I go lay on the backyard
and I lay in the backyard andI'm all.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
I got to make sure you flick your testicles once in
a while.
I put it out in the sun.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
I'm just waiting one day for my wife or the cleaning
lady or my son's girlfriend tocome in and I'm just going to be
like, oh hey, what's up?
Wink, wink, wink.
But I've been doing that.
I've done that probably since Imet Certified Health Nut let's
say I met him 15 days ago.
I've done it maybe 13 times.
I did it before I came heretoday.

Speaker 4 (15:16):
You could do it in the red light bud.

Speaker 3 (15:19):
I think you do.

Speaker 4 (15:20):
I pull my cheeks apart and eat that red in there
Because Ben Greenfield says howhe puts the red light, like one
of the panels on his crotch.

Speaker 3 (15:29):
Yeah, it makes sense.
It's like an old-school tanningbed.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
I close it on me and then I pull the cheeks apart.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
Oh, it's like a panini press for your balls,
that would be great.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
So that's my routine.
Put a layer of bacon, that's myroutine.

Speaker 3 (15:45):
Then at night I try to eat, like I said, by 5.
I have a handful of vitamins Itake.
Then I take a little magnesiumdrink to help me go to sleep too
.
I don't know if you guys do anyof that stuff too, the
magnesium.

Speaker 4 (15:55):
Yeah, I take magnesium every day.
I take magnesium every once ina while.
When do?

Speaker 1 (15:59):
you take it At, I'd vary.

Speaker 4 (16:01):
I haven't found uh, I I take some in the morning, but
more at night.
I have the take in the morning,I don't think that'd make you
tired.
No it's just mixed in with the,I think it'll cycle through.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
I think.
Having the appropriate amountof magnesium and then, like your
bottle body's, able tocirculate through like, be like.
Okay, this is the time you needthat magnesium.
They have stored for you.
I have this powder.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
This magnesium powder is like lemonade.
I pour two of them in, mix itup, chug it, and then I try to
go.
Oh, I take a little melatoninbefore I go to bed, and then a
little dhea, and then, and thenmulti-vitamins and a bunch of
different stuff, and then I tryto go to bed and I have a c.
I have sleep apnea, so I wear ac-pap too, which is a bummer.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
Have you tried anything else other than the
CPAP?
Like I've seen those like nosethings.

Speaker 3 (16:48):
I haven't tried that, but I know I got tested several
times and it was one of thosethings that you can't like.
My weights fluctuate.
I've dropped down, it doesn'tchange.
It's one of those things that Ijust I don't think there's a
surgery I could take.
There's this thing you can putin your body and you hit a
button I don't want to do that.

Speaker 4 (17:05):
Yeah, this inspires the nasal thing I think it's,
inspired but like not everyone,Like, if you have bad sleep
apnea, that doesn't work.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
Yeah, and the surgery is like soft palate work.

Speaker 3 (17:19):
So it works for some people.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
I think they're going to scrape it out up here or
something, scrape it out up hereor something.
It's kind of up here becausemost of your nasal airway is
blocked by that palate up topand especially when people get
overweight, that's what getschunkier and they start getting
more and more apnea because itblocks the airway.
That's not your case.

(17:40):
You're fit, but it's probablystill chunky, so it's blocking a
certain amount of your is thata surgery you guys do?

Speaker 3 (17:49):
so I mean no, no, unfortunately can you go to
youtube?

Speaker 1 (17:56):
give me breasts we'll put an implant in there now
it's uh air, nose and throat entdocs do that like the um soft
palate work specifically forsnoring, but like combined with
getting your sometimes it'smaxillofacial surgeons, because

(18:17):
they got to move your jawforward.
Yeah they they do it too.
They kind of like justcrossbreed.

Speaker 3 (18:22):
Yeah, I did get a oxygen oxygen tank and hooked it
up to my CPAP.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
Because I'm trying to get 100 on my Oura Ring, which
is almost impossible.
Yeah, I've got 100 on the Whoopbefore.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
But I think they all change their algorithms.
Yeah, it seems really hard toget 100.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
And I got this oxygen tank hooked up to my CPAP.

Speaker 4 (18:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
So it increases, so I'm hoping that I get better
sleep.

Speaker 4 (18:45):
Yeah, the thing I, but it's tough I kind of love
this.
I got the mouth guard too.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
Yeah, I kind of love hearing that people are like
this is what it's giving me arating for.
I got to get 100.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
I'm trying, but it does give a lot of people
anxiety that like the aura, theaura ring anxiety, because
people like they're like Ididn't get enough sleep, or dude
, the worst is when you feelrested and you wake up with the
aura ring tells you you sleptlike shit.
Yeah, have you had that beforeI woke?

Speaker 1 (19:13):
up like man I just written this would be great oh
yeah great, and it's like yougot a 67 you check, make sure
your rings on the right way,let's make a cheap mattress
cover that doesn't reallymeasure anything, but there's an
app and every time people login it's like you had another
great night of sleep.
You're doing fantastic.

Speaker 3 (19:33):
And they're going to get up like this, like skipping
out the door.
We could call it placebo.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
Yeah, yeah, a placebo mattress.

Speaker 4 (19:42):
That's exactly it.
Yeah, like I don't know, eightsleeps pretty, pretty close to
aura ring and eight sleep arepretty close together.
I think the whoop for sleepit's always, I think, a little
off, because when I hit like 50minutes of deep sleep on the
aura ring, like I wake up if Islept three hours or 10 hours.

(20:03):
I feel refreshed.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
Right.

Speaker 4 (20:07):
But if it's less than that, I feel less recovered for
sure.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
Just going back to when you were taking the GH
receptor GLPs.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
Is that epimorlin or?

Speaker 1 (20:20):
whatever yeah and releasing growth hormones.
Yeah, in releasing growthhormones, not just he said it,
but like our NP said it andeverybody that took it was just
like oh, my sleep went throughthe roof and he was like getting
up like Ultimate Hulk was likeI only slept 4 hours but I feel
like I'm good to go for like 8weeks yeah.

Speaker 4 (20:44):
I do a lot of the peptides.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
My wife actually she's likebeen telling everyone about
epithalon, which is like foryour pineal gland and it helps
your circadian rhythm reset andyou get incredible deep sleep
with it.
And she started doing it andshe's like she got unbelievable
sleep.
She injected her mom.

(21:05):
Her mom can't get good sleep,so she started injecting.
She injected her mom a coupletimes because she told her she
couldn't sleep well.
Did it work?
Yeah, it works.

Speaker 3 (21:14):
Does it work right away like that?

Speaker 4 (21:16):
night.
What's it called?

Speaker 3 (21:16):
That night.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
Epitalin that night.

Speaker 3 (21:18):
Epitalin.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
Yeah, I've got to look that up, yeah so growth
hormone releasing peptide.
But epithalon is it epithalon's.

Speaker 4 (21:25):
Totally it's a pineal gland peptide.
It was a lot of the peptidescame out from the russians
trying to make super humanarmies right and like this one.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
The pineal gland is like the nut sack of the brain.

Speaker 4 (21:36):
Yeah, right, yeah and it calcifies over time so you
don't produce enough of thatpineal like epithelium.
So the epithelium kicks youback in your circadian rhythm,
gets your hormones reset andwhat they studied it and like
the russians studied it and itactually decreased mortality
rate by like 30 percent, 20 or30 percent.

(21:58):
This one this one peptide takenand the one.
What they did was 10 days on itand then done twice a year for
two years.
Showed decreased like cancerrates and that also.

Speaker 1 (22:11):
That also corresponds to certain data that's out
there.
That, uh, causality, not notcausality, but like there's
decreased growth hormone,increased death rate, like it
just goes with time, just takinggrowth hormone taking, growth
hormone, taking any type ofhormone directly will down, shut

(22:34):
down your life yeah, becauseall your body has any type of
hormonal pathway, like yourthyroid.

Speaker 4 (22:42):
Whatever your body has a pathway to where it's
firing too much, it's gonnadecrease not that it's bad or
like you could take it like somepeople do need to take it and
it works really well.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
Receptor amount yeah, like, like.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
So your body's like testosterone if you take
testosterone, so you could takeit.

Speaker 4 (22:59):
So what people do for anti-aging, they take low doses
, right.
So you're not going to get theside effect if you're doing like
two units or three units a day.
You don't want to be like theliver king who was spending I
read like 12 to 15 000 a monthdoing growth hormone way too
much, yeah.
So stuff like that.
You're going to get theswelling, the joint pains and

(23:21):
all that.
You're going to get cut up andlook like a beast, but it's too
much small amounts foranti-aging.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
So what other experiments have you done on
yourself?
Uh, I've tried every,everything in the book
everything.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
Yeah, yeah, yeah off counter to like whatever you
want to ask.
This is the guy because you'relike, all right, thanks for the
medical advice, and you're likeI know what doesn't work what
about?

Speaker 3 (23:42):
where do you get your peptides?

Speaker 4 (23:43):
uh, I get them from compound pharmacies okay, so
yeah, um.
So yeah, I, I used to getpeptide sciences.
I didn't know much aboutpeptides and then, like I
started researching and then,and then I got certifications
from two different courses to,you know, be able to prescribe
the peptides and everything, andfound, like all these like

(24:05):
known like compound pharmacies,that they're actually better
than peptide sciences oh yeah,yeah, because I took the cjc of
pomerolone from peptide sciencesand like once I started taking
the compound pharmacy stuff,like my sleep like went through
the roof.

Speaker 3 (24:22):
I get bpc 157 and tb 500 for peptide sciences.
My son tours acl.
Yeah, be giving it to him.
Yeah, freaking, yeah, it's fineyeah, yeah, that's that stuff.

Speaker 4 (24:34):
You know it's.
You know certain batches youget.
There's a lot of people usingtheir stuff.
It's got to work.
But like when I switched to thecompound pharmacy CJC at
Pomorlan, it was just like Istarted having vivid dreams and
my deep sleep was a lot better,wow.

Speaker 3 (24:50):
So I wonder do you get it?
Here Is the compound pharmacyhere.

Speaker 4 (24:53):
I order.
It's a Texas one that I orderfrom.

Speaker 3 (24:56):
Can anybody order it?
Yeah, Because it's what's funnyabout it.

Speaker 4 (24:58):
Well, I got to order it.
Yeah, I got to prescribe it,because when I get it from
Peptide Sciences.

Speaker 3 (25:02):
I don't get it yeah you don't need, but I like how
it says not for human use.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
Yeah, research Peptide I'm going to inject my
rabbit with this shit.

Speaker 4 (25:12):
There's a lot of black market sites out there and
, the thing is, even thecompound pharmacies are getting
this stuff from China.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
Right, is Peptide Sciences getting it from China?

Speaker 1 (25:24):
Yeah, yeah, from china, right, you know.

Speaker 4 (25:28):
and is peptide, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's all out of
china.

Speaker 3 (25:29):
Majority of the ingredients but the compound
pharmacy.

Speaker 4 (25:30):
They make it there, yeah, yeah, so it gets you know
they might be sourcing a thirdparty they third party test in
china, but then they'll get itand they have the fda, so it
moves up the price of theproduct because the FDA has them
do all this extra testing.

Speaker 3 (25:46):
Oh yeah, it's even more clear.
Peptide sciences, I feel ispretty reasonable for like 10,
20 vials yeah.

Speaker 4 (25:52):
So at the compound pharmacy it's almost at least
twice to three times.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
Oh wow, that's why most people are telling you to
get your cocaine from compoundpharmacies.
They test it for purity.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
That's good.
So what the?

Speaker 4 (26:08):
experiments have you done?
So?
I've, I've tried every peptide,like one of the.
One of the craziest stuff waslike a few weeks ago, um I use
this company in australia theirtheir compound pharmacy.
They're called level up.
They have great products.
I started giving it to all mypatients post operatively.
It's got like one of theirthings is a wolverine stack

(26:29):
which has bpc and tb 500 inthere to help with the healing
process.
So they had this test of fennelthat they had and it was mixed
with elba, which is like it'ssomething that you release after
a hard workout and so I tookattack, yeah, or a hard so I I

(26:51):
took this stuff and I was like Iusually like overdo it, like
even when I started the glp onesI started at the highest dose
because I was like I've done allthe diet pills like, even like
rip fuel when it was justbrought out, we were operating
together and he was just like ohyeah, everybody talks about
having to like taper up on theGLP ones.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
He's like I just took the max dose.
He was just like he just lookedat him.
He's like I got to go.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
What does that mean?

Speaker 1 (27:20):
He's like I feel like shit, I'm going to come back at
some point, oh my God he's justwaiting to fucking puke his
guts out.

Speaker 4 (27:27):
Yeah, projectile vomiting.
I was, like you know, never hadto titrate anything.
I was like I didn't.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
He's like, yeah, max dose Me good, yeah, let's go.

Speaker 3 (27:37):
So I knew what the side effects are, and then I
went back down and startedslowly back up to test out like
how it was before we startedprescribing it.
Have you tried any of thesleeping weed, the legal marrow,
thc stuff?
I have not.
No, I try.
I've never done drugs in mylife.
Yeah, people tell me, try this,it's going to help you sleep.

(27:57):
So people gave them to me twodifferent kinds.
I had the worst night of sleepon those things.

Speaker 4 (28:02):
Really it.
I had the worst night of sleepon those things.
Really it was terrible.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
And then I felt hungover the next day they
probably don't have the rightmix of the THC.
It was from a place.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
It might be.
I have a friend that was justlike, oh okay, it takes THC
gummies to sleep every night andhe sleeps really well off of it
.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
I was amped up, not, I could not sleep.
Now I will take sometimes somecbd put underneath my tongue.
A couple droplets, a couple, uh, what do you think it's called
the freaking tinctures?
A couple tinctures, yeah, andsometimes, when it's been a
while, if I take it sometimes II sleep pretty hard so the nice
part is with, like the wearables, eight sleep like you tell how

(28:46):
much like deep sleep you get.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
It decreases the amount of deep sleep I get so I
yeah, cbd thc, I I try alcohol,alcohol alcohol is the worst.

Speaker 4 (28:59):
I don't alcohol like yeah.
I stopped like yeah, if youwant to fucking hulk, hogan,
fucking boot.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
Kick your deep sleep in the chest, just fucking.
Have one to three drinks, right, and if you have more it's even
worse, right.

Speaker 3 (29:13):
So what's your favorite peptide?

Speaker 4 (29:14):
then.
So tesamorelin, I liketesamorelin, ipamorelin,
epithalon's up there.

Speaker 3 (29:21):
Tesamorelin, ipamorelin, are they some sort
of?
They're a human growth hormone?
They're a growth hormonereleasing yeah, Because I mean,
you look pretty shredded.
Do you know what your body fatis?

Speaker 4 (29:29):
Like 12%.

Speaker 3 (29:30):
No way.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
You no way.
You've got to be less than that.
We have the in-body.
No, he's fat yeah.

Speaker 3 (29:39):
I'm over here with 25% I measured.
Last time I measured, which wasabout three months ago, I was
12.9.
Yeah, damn yeah, but I mean,since then I did have some cake.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
I have let myself go a little.

Speaker 3 (29:52):
But man, so do you take PPC-157 as well?

Speaker 4 (29:56):
Yeah, I cycle some of them, but like tesamorelin,
ipamorelin I almost take likeregularly.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
When you say regularly you cycle through it,
though you do three months on,no I, you've been on it the
whole time.

Speaker 4 (30:11):
Yeah, I stay on it five to six days.
And why are you lying?
To me Like one to two days offyou inject in your stomach.
Yeah, I got to go to my thighbecause my stomach I feel like
it just creates welts, but youdon't put that in your butt
right.
You could do it right in thethigh, you know.
He puts other things in hisbutt.

(30:33):
Like I also like MOTC.
Motc gives you you.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
It's like a mitochondrial matzi, you were
talking like yeah, yeah, wheredo you get that from?

Speaker 4 (30:43):
uh, the compound pharmacy that we use.
Yeah, the texas ones, I don'tknow they got a little bit more
freedom and what they do,because the florida ones they're
a little more restricted inwhat they can you say that from
experience, you feel it.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
You can tell like when you take one from florida
you're taking peptide sciencesor the one from texas you feel
different on texas yeah andthat's the best one you think
yeah yeah, a little moreexpensive yeah, but it's I know
sometimes sometimes a littlecheaper.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
this is this is why, like I listen to him, People ask
me.
They're like you should do this, Like, oh, did you do it?
And it's like no, but I have atrusted source.

Speaker 4 (31:21):
Yeah, one of the biggest ones that's going to
come out is this SLU-PP332.
It's like an estrogen receptorone.
It's like a workout and a pilland it actually does get you
pretty shredded.
It's like you've had it's forreal, yeah, yeah this is the one
he was saying like he overdidit and he's like no, no, that's

(31:45):
not the one, like it was mixedwith that but you don't do that
stuff I do some of it.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
Let him experiment.
Oh yeah of it.
Oh yeah, of course, it doesn'tmatter.
Even if I want to, he's goingto beat me to the punch.
So he's going to be like ah, Idid all this research and I took
this for three months until youfound out about it.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
I'm always listening to this stuff, Dude you guys got
to go with me to Mexico and getsome stem cells.

Speaker 4 (32:11):
Stem cells.

Speaker 3 (32:16):
Yeah, I saw you got stem cells.
How do you feel times?
Oh, yeah, yeah, I just my mostrecent was a week and a half ago
.
My wife's gone like four orfive times is it iv or both?
I did this most recent one.
I did injections in my back andI did iv.
I got 200 million in an iv and80 million injected in my back
where did you get it injected inyour back, like kind of like?

Speaker 1 (32:32):
are they aim, aiming between?

Speaker 3 (32:34):
they were going like l5, l4, l3, right, okay, um and
uh, you know, and I just believein these stem cells a lot, but
you hear the.
It's funny having to talk.
You guys are doctors, so Ican't.
I don't know the doctorterminology, but that shit's
legit, it's called drugs it's.

Speaker 4 (32:51):
How does it help them with?

Speaker 3 (32:52):
your lower back pain, or well, it's only been a week
and a half.
Yeah, like I took a friend ofmine there he was a 75-year-old
guy and he owns a bunch ofrestaurants in Tucson and one
day I saw him leaning over atable and I was like what's
going on?
He goes, oh, I've got to haveback surgery.
I'm doing it in a couple weeksbecause I have chronic back pain
.
I was like dude come, took himto Cancun.

(33:17):
He got injections in his backand he got an IV and that night
in that hotel I thought we weregoing to have to call 911.
The dude tried to go to thebathroom.
He was crawling on hands andknees to get to the bathroom.
The next day this is two and ahalf years ago the next day he
was absolutely fine, dancingaround like a ballerina.
Since then he's sold all hisbusinesses that.
He's been traveling the worldand he has the best time ever.
He's got no pain.

Speaker 4 (33:35):
Yeah, nice.

Speaker 3 (33:36):
Yeah, same thing with another.
I was telling this storyearlier.
A buddy of mine is 34 years old.
He's had ulcer colitis andpancreatitis.
Yeah, he got stem cells.
He's been in the hospital likeonce a week since he was 16.
He's been on med a year sincehe was 16.

(33:58):
He's in the hospital.
He got stem cells that day.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
He was fine it's been two years he hasn't taken.

Speaker 4 (34:01):
Yes, there's there there's a lot no, I I believe in
it, it's just.
Yeah, I haven't because I'm I'mstarting to.
I'm working with the companywe're trying to work out doing
exosomes iv and we're going tobe one of the first places in
Arizona Exosomes are great too,but the way he was explaining to
me he's like no, exosomes aregreat, but the stem cells are
like exosomes on steroids?

(34:22):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (34:24):
You should just do it .
Come with, I'm going in Octoberagain.
Let's do it, let's go.
I a couple published bookchapters on stem cells.
Oh yeah, do you really?
Yeah, from like 15 years ago.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
oh really you were ahead of the game I tried to be,
uh, mesenchymal stem cell yeahmesenchymal stem cells because
they can turn into a lot ofdifferent uh supportive
structures in your body, likewhether it's bone tendon, uh
even in, like, cardiac muscle.
They showed some good research.
I haven't I haven't looked atthis research since writing that

(35:03):
paper, but at that point, it'slike 15 years ago, like read 200
papers on mesenchymal stemcells, it's it, it will work.
It like.
There's no way it shouldn'twork.
Right.
You might not optimize it ormake it different enough from

(35:23):
like not doing somethingdifferent, but if you have the
right treatment approach likethe right dosage of stem cells,
growth factors, like there's andhave the appropriate blood flow
to that area, that that's gonna.
That's gonna be primo like yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
So my issue is that.
So let's just say this is thesixth time I've done it.
The first five times I did it Ifeel like I might have rushed
back too quickly to sauna coldplunge, hot tub, like now.
I've waited a week and a halfand I just I didn't.
I haven't cold plunge or hottub yet, but I just sauna today
for the first.
I try to sauna every day.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
I I personally think like that shouldn't hinder it at
all okay good, I, I don't know,I think cold plunge would.

Speaker 4 (36:07):
I think it'll like vasoconstrict and vasodilate.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
But the fact that you're doing it like every day
to your like normal thing, Idon't think it would hinder it
from like how much the stemcells have what was the guy
saying down there when you gotit?

Speaker 4 (36:25):
what was he saying about, like, doing cold clenches
and uh, yeah, he was like wait,there were.

Speaker 3 (36:30):
I think they told me to wait three days on on certain
things and then a week or twoweeks for something, and I just
wanted to try somethingdifferent.
I've never done before I'vealways, I think.

Speaker 4 (36:38):
They told me to wait three days on certain things and
then a week or two weeks forsomething, and I just wanted to
try something different I'venever done before.
I've always done it withinthree days, Because I think you
are going to have like the coldplunge could decrease.

Speaker 3 (36:48):
Just like you don't want a cold plunge after a
workout, right?
No, but the reason Iimmediately have to work out.

Speaker 4 (36:52):
I usually cold plunge maybe an hour.
They say like, wait four hours.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
So the reason I think it shouldn't affect it is
because that cold plunge itvasoconstricts.

Speaker 4 (37:00):
But if you look past an hour it doesn't have any
effect.
But it's looking at the rest ofthe systems in your body that
are.
You know this cold plunge isaffecting, do you guys?
Sauna and stuff too.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
Sauna's like the best thing for you.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
Right, see, the thing that we haven't talked about,
but you just hinted on it, is Ihave calcium in my heart.
Yeah, I'm trying to.
I'm doing this, I just I haveone more treatment left.
I heard there's this thingcalled Plaque X.
Have you heard of it?
You get an IV you're supposed toget an IV twice a week for 10
weeks and the scientist I metsaid that it helps.

(37:37):
He'd seen that it helps reverseplaque, which I know is very
hard to do.
So I was like I did it.
So I did it.
You have to treat it like chemo, like you don't miss an
appointment.
So I did 10 weeks.
Then I went and got the heartscan and it was the first time
in I don't know how many yearsthere was no growth of my plaque
.
So I immediately did it again.
My last treatment is friday andthen I did the stem cells.
So I'm hoping to see some sortof yeah let me know.

Speaker 4 (38:00):
Let me know do you think the iv stem cells helped I
?
Do I think everything like yousaid, it's just yeah I was
wondering if I was going to askyou if you think, like the iv
exosomes, have reversed any ofthat.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
I do um, I, I, you guys gotta meet my doctor.
You guys would love her.
Um, I gotta ask her because she, when she, the place I work out
at, has um, it's my doctor'soffice, right, so she's in there
all the time.
There's a couple doctors there,nurses and stuff.
Then there's a gym there, yeah,then there's the, the red light
.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
Someone waits in his office.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah and she's amazing and she'll be
like I hey, we got your heartscan back and I don't remember.
I just know that she smiled andsaid it was good.
I don't remember that stuff,you know yeah have you guys met
her Dr.
Bordinco.

Speaker 4 (38:44):
No, I was about to buy that building.

Speaker 3 (38:46):
Oh, you were.

Speaker 4 (38:47):
To do a surgery center there.
Yeah yeah, she was already.
She was a tenant there and Iknew that.
No, she has a great setup.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
Oh yeah, the dude upstairs sold it, admirer.
No, the doctor.
Oh my God, I want to think ofhis name.

Speaker 4 (39:11):
The guy never sold it .
The landlord's still there.
He's asking a ridiculous amountnow.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
But there was a plastic surgeon up there.
Yeah, admir, yeah, admire.
That's his first name or lastname anthony admire.
No, it's another guy, tell mehis name, come on another guy.

Speaker 4 (39:24):
No, I'm telling you, that's what it.
He sold it to honor healthsovereign yeah, yeah well then,
who was his partner?
He was.
He was partnered up with abunch of anesthesiologists.
Dave Hecht was there.

Speaker 3 (39:35):
No, no, no, I'm going to tell you.
When I tell you this guy's name, it's not.
He just messaged me today, so Iknow that I know they sold it
because he was all bummed out.
He must be one of the guy'spartners or something.
Yeah, hold on, hold on.
Let me find it.
Hold on, hold.
But uh, she also has hyperbaricchambers in there what?
Do you think of hyperbaric?

Speaker 4 (39:54):
yeah, we have one in our office.
We do use it like crazy likethe real one yeah like.
Well, no, we have, we havewhich.
We have, like the michaeljackson one okay like the one,
michael jackson has a neverlandranch like it's not like a
formal wound care one.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
That's the one we're getting one.

Speaker 4 (40:11):
We're getting one for the next place, but you can do
wound yeah, so ours goes up totwo atmospheres, okay, and it
gives you the oxygen.
So the medical grade one you'regoing to need, like someone
that's trained in hyperbarics,right, and it has possibility of
blowing up, yeah, you heard thestory.

Speaker 1 (40:32):
That's what scared me .
I was like, oh my God that youheard the story about.
That's what scared me.
I was like, oh my God.

Speaker 4 (40:35):
Hobgood Hobgood.
Yeah, he's not a partner though.
Oh, he's not.
No, he's not.

Speaker 3 (40:39):
I thought he was.

Speaker 4 (40:41):
Yeah, he does cases there.
Yes, facial plastic surgery.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
Yeah, yeah, he's good .

Speaker 4 (40:45):
He's always got people down there.

Speaker 3 (40:47):
Yeah, that's who it is.

Speaker 4 (40:49):
Yeah, so we have.
We have a hard shell that goesup to two atmospheres.
That's what LeBron has a hardshell.

Speaker 3 (40:58):
I almost got one of those and then I found out about
this one, but you're gettingsome hard shells.

Speaker 4 (41:00):
Just come by our clinic we got you covered, so
we're going to get a four-personone that still goes up to two
atmospheres.
That's all we need for woundcare, our plastic surgery,
post-op patients, anti-aging.
Like for brain health, youactually only need to go up to

(41:21):
1.3 to 1.5 atmospheres, andgoing higher than that's
actually could be detrimental soyeah, so that's why I'm like
there's no need for us to haveone that goes to four
atmospheres.
We're not treating patients thathave the bends or, you know,
necrotizing fasciitis like theflesh eating disease, and stuff

(41:42):
that you know they need to go tothe hospital for, so there's no
need for us to have somethingthat goes to higher atmospheres
and like we can get plenty ofall the benefits we need for our
patients.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
What's that four seater going up to?
Is that still going to 2.5?

Speaker 4 (41:59):
It's two atmospheres.
I think one of them might go upto 2.5.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
Do you guys do that NAD?

Speaker 4 (42:04):
Yeah, we do NAD nasal spray what?
Yeah, that's my favorite.
What brand is it?
Where did?

Speaker 1 (42:12):
I get that Compound Farm.
Call us, we got you.
I want the name.
Call us, we got you.
Yeah, does it burn.

Speaker 4 (42:19):
No it doesn't it's good.

Speaker 3 (42:21):
So I was like you know, I try everything and like
I did the NAD IV, you get energythat day, but like it goes away
, I don't think it's bucks yeah,I was doing the ivs, um, and
you know, I guess originally wasfor, like you know, heroin
addicts to get to eight hours,so I was doing it an hour and
then I was doing I got down to25 minutes.

Speaker 4 (42:41):
Yeah, but the terrible stomach pain I have
yeah, you get heartburn, you getlike this terrible heart.

Speaker 3 (42:46):
Yeah, I was doing like a thousand milligrams, yeah
, yeah and then I saw that davidsinclair guy you know the guy
in harvard.
Yeah, he was doing a push of1500.
And it's like your flesh iscoming off your arm when he's
doing it.
So now I got it down to aninjection I don't know how much,
and I inject myself once a weekwith the nap.
Yeah, and I'll feel it.
You know, I told you I walk thestairs every day when I give

(43:06):
myself an injection.
I don't really feel it untilmaybe 30 minutes later I'm at
work, going up the stairs andlike I gotta chill for a second.
But the nasal spray, that'sfascinating yeah.

Speaker 4 (43:16):
So a lot of people, like you know they say that ivs
don't work, the nad doesn't getinto your cells.
Now they have nicotinamideriboside that's supposed to be
better iv, um and.
But like there's like twodifferent sides for all of it.
Like some people believe in thedaily sub-Q injections or like

(43:36):
the weekly sub-Q injections.
They they do do some differenceand help with people with
different issues.
So the nasal spray I was likeall right, let me try this.
And I felt like I was operatingand we do microsurgery.
It's like very meticulous,we're sewing together like one
millimeter vessels.
And I was like I told him I'mlike I don't know if it's this

(44:00):
stuff, it's, you got to try it.
I'm like tell me if this NAD,if this nasal spray, really
works.
And like, because you know Itry to superpower my brain and
like I was like this I just feellike you know you can't tell
you're functioning at adifferent level and then you
finish the day and you're likeshit.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
I performed yeah or after yeah, so did you try it
yeah, and he tried it.

Speaker 4 (44:26):
He's like no, this isn't placebo.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
It's like yeah, and then I overdid it.
I lost my sense of like tastefor a certain taste like the.
The good part is the.
The sense I lost was extremesweets.
So now, like I, I'm just likelooking at kit kat bars and my
carrot man is it once a day?

(44:48):
Yeah, you can do it more thanthat you can use it as much as
you want, Like I went.
I did, like when I blew out mytaste buds.

Speaker 3 (44:56):
That was like six sprays a day, but like but does
it also do the whole Afrin thingtoo?
Cleans up the nasal passages.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
Not quite, but kind of Like gives you the feeling of
it without doing that.

Speaker 3 (45:09):
Dude, I got to do a day where I like hang out with
you.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
Do whatever you guys do and not like sit in the back
in surgery.

Speaker 3 (45:15):
Come on by as long as you're willing to wear a
surgery mask.
Sure Wait so you guys are inTatum and Shea.
You're right where that WholeFoods is.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
Yeah, yeah, right in there, right behind that, yeah,
where two brothers work rightnext to the move it yeah they
moved it up north.
They went up to.

Speaker 3 (45:35):
Tatum To the mall yeah.
Where the mall used to be, soright there there used to be,
there was an Orange Theory there, and there's that.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
Chinese restaurant.

Speaker 4 (45:42):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You're in that center, rightbehind it.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
Behind it, right behind it, there's sweets amount
away from diarrhea.

Speaker 3 (45:55):
That is fascinating.
You guys are fascinating, god I.
It's like to meet somebody elsethat experiments and everything
, but yet you have a medicaldegree.
I do not, I'm just a fan.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
And it tells you you're on the right path.

Speaker 3 (46:09):
Yeah, I feel like I'm on the right path with the
stuff you're doing.

Speaker 1 (46:12):
If there's something that people don't tell you it's
going to kill you.
Like if you're doing If there'ssomething that people don't
tell you it's going to kill you.
Like if you're going to stepout like, oh, I'm John Jay, I
run like the top morning show,I'm just going to smoke
cigarettes because it's good forme.
It's like, okay, let's see howthat goes.
But like you're willing to tryout different things and be like
, oh, different things, yeah.

(46:36):
And be like oh, this makes mefeel good.
Like smoking a cigarette Idon't know gives me like 10
seconds of pleasure and then I'mlike I gotta smoke another
cigarette my life.

Speaker 4 (46:40):
Someone was telling me so, oh, someone was telling
me, like the one of thelymphatic massage people that we
send the patients was tellingthem that what nicotine like
three milligrams of nicotine,like three milligrams of
nicotine a day will cure COVID.

Speaker 3 (46:55):
Geoblastoma.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
Oh, covid no dude, I heard that my mother died of
geoblastoma.

Speaker 3 (47:02):
How old was?

Speaker 1 (47:02):
your mom 66.
That is such a horrible disease.
Horrible Because it's diagnosedand end of the road within like
six months.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
Right, it was 18 months.
It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
My sister sent me.
Right, it was 18 months.
It's crazy, my sister sent methese videos.

Speaker 3 (47:16):
Sorry to hear that I was tough, thanks.
But the woman was, or thisperson, saying on this video
that during COVID they did allthese tests and they gave people
glioblastomas and they got ridof it with nicotine.
And I was like, oh damn, I wishI would have known that.
We were dude.
Dude, we were like we, myuncles, read something about the

(47:37):
, the, the venom of the bluescorpion in cuba, can cure.
So they went, flew down to cubablack market and got this venom
.
My mom was inhaling it anddoing all this crazy stuff so.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
So it didn't work.
Well, it lasted.
It doesn't work, but there's.
I worked at a Harvardtransplant lab and we were doing
different things to get aprotocol where we get a primate,

(48:05):
we get a pig kidney to live ina primate for a while, and
there's all these things todecrease inflammation, whatever.
One of the things is CobraVenom Serum and there's all
these things to decreaseinflammation, whatever.
One of the things is CobraVenom Serum and that was given
because it just like legit,shuts down all your, like, any

(48:30):
of your inflammatory cells,whatever it is, whatever you
have, it's like bye-bye, goodnight, like this just shuts it
down for 12 hours.
So it's.
Cobra venom serum was one ofthe processes and I know they
gave, uh, a xeno organ tosomebody, like two years ago.
I'm, I'm sure that's part of the, though it can, because it

(48:53):
shuts down the coagulationsystem, because the coagulation
system is tightly, so if you'rein a bubble, it won't Like, you
won't Dude you're going to befucked up either way.

Speaker 4 (49:03):
You're Like when you're talking about, I'll stick
to rapamycin.
Yeah, when you're.

Speaker 3 (49:09):
We gave rapamycin too , so so like is rapamycin, the
thing that that dude that wasgoing to live forever just
stopped taking.
You know that guy Brian Johnson, yeah, yeah, yeah, he just in
his documentary he's takingrapamycin, oh well he was taking
it at like excessive doses, butthen he came out he was taking
it and keeping the thing is Itake it once a week.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
The thing I think about Brian Johnson he's going
to give himself one of the worstuncurable versions of cancer
that nobody's ever seen and itwill never ever be seen outside
of.

Speaker 3 (49:43):
Brian Johnson.
Oh, he's giving it because ofwhat he's done.
He's left himself open to this.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
Or he might live to be like 355 years old, and I'll
be wrong.

Speaker 4 (49:54):
It doesn't seem like he enjoys life.
It's just all about like livinglonger, but it's almost like
having a disease that you haveno cure for.
His disease is aging and likehe's trying to.

Speaker 3 (50:10):
Why extend your life, but if you're also not going to
live your life?
So what rapamycin is what hewas taking.
Then he announced after hisdocumentary came out that he
stopped.

Speaker 4 (50:18):
He was taking doses like almost every day because he
was trying to keep it at acertain that's what you give for
, like kidney transplantpatients.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
Like rapamycin they're taking it daily.

Speaker 4 (50:31):
So the anti-aging way to take it is you take it once
a week a low dose, so it's givenat much higher doses for
anti-rejection.

Speaker 3 (50:40):
So you take it with just a pill.
Yeah, and what's it do for you?

Speaker 4 (50:44):
You won't feel anything, but it's you know,
doing autophagy, like what youget from fasting.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
A lot of things, though, is on your immune system
, cleaning up your senescent ordead cells.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
It's on your immune system.

Speaker 1 (50:55):
It's like your T helper cells.
Majority are responsive T cells.
Rapamycin like.

Speaker 3 (51:04):
Your senescent cells.
That's so I forgot to tell youguys.
So I do stem cells, yeah, butthen I do NK cells too, yeah,
those natural killer cells, yeahthose suckers Right.
Those natural killer cells,those suckers.
So they take my blood here,they take like 26 vials, they
send it to this clinic in Irvineand then they duplicate my
cells.
So they got like 4 billion NKcells.
So then they fly it.
Somebody goes and picks it up,they fly it to Cancun or Cabo.

(51:26):
Last time I think it was Cancun, I did in October and then I
had so many that they gave me $2billion and then if.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
I'm you know you're the doctor, they give it to your
.

Speaker 3 (51:38):
IV, an IV, and it, like you know, then they have a
big monitor up and they'veshowed video of these freaking
NK cells like Pac-Man.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
Just eating cancer, yeah, like, how do you feel
after that?
I feel the same, nothing, Idon't feel.
I I don't feel.
I think my problem is I getsuch little sleep and I operate
on no sleep that I think that'skind of what's helping me.
Yeah, you know, but uh, but Iknow it's doing stuff.
That was another thing aboutthe heart thing, cause I had
done NK, yeah, nk and stem cells.
So I'm due for NK in October.

(52:07):
That's the next time I go forthe rest of my NK cells 2
billion.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
I would say not to do that, why I don't think it's
the NK.
Yeah, I don't think it's givenyou anything.

Speaker 3 (52:17):
But it's eaten, whatever it is.
Yeah, I can tell you this, I'mnever sick Dude, any of those.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
you're never going to be sick without that either you
know what I want to do Skipthat, and if you get sick, call
me and be like oh I suck, Ishould have told you to do the
NK cells, but why?

Speaker 3 (52:33):
do you?

Speaker 1 (52:34):
think NK cells don't work.
I think it's very temporary andit's at that point where it's
injected, like you see it eatingup like whatever it needs to.
But that's at the injectionpoint.
Nk cells, like just look at NKcell lifespan.

Speaker 4 (52:49):
Because are they just drawn out of your system?

Speaker 1 (52:52):
No, like NK cells don't live beyond I.
Are they just drawn out of yoursystem?
No, like NK, cells don't livebeyond.
I haven't looked at this fordecades now, but NK cells don't.
Natural killer cells don't livefor more than like a few days
maybe seven days at most.

Speaker 3 (53:06):
Don't they wake up the other cells?

Speaker 1 (53:08):
No, they would if it's a site of inflammation or a
site of inflammation or a siteof actual damage where you
technically got them to.
Theoretically it would, butyour body should be able to find
that itself, and I don't thinkan exogenous dose of NK cells

(53:32):
will teach your body's immunityto like see that We'll get this.

Speaker 3 (53:36):
There's a lady that I know that goes to Benacer.
She's 89 years old and when shestarted going there she's in a
wheelchair with an oxygen tank.
She does hyperbaric every day.
She's got stage four bonecancer right and and breast
cancer.
She's 89.
She gets NK cells every threemonths, every three months,

(53:56):
every three months and she justbought a porsche like she's
completely like.
It's crazy.
Like I.
My aunt got bone cancer afterthis woman did.
My aunt died and this woman isstill rocking, like hasn't
changed and she says it's the nkand hyperbaric so.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
So in that, in that model I could see it like being
a thing, because it's activestage four cancer, it's likely
breast cancer metastasized orbone right and your whole body
is out of whack before youbecause you have immune systems
already.
Yeah, you have this metastaticcancer in your body.

(54:35):
So if you infuse nk cells inthat scene, it fights the cancer
itself and also puts yourimmune system in balance.
More so, it's not burningthrough all this fuel where,
like you're you're like 70 yearsold and 80 years old, 90 years

(54:57):
old you need all that energy tolike, just live day to day,
right?
So like this actually ends upadding like five years, 10 years
, to your lifespan, right?

Speaker 3 (55:08):
No, she's doing amazing, this woman.
But I was thinking like for me,let's say you know, you don't
know what's growing in you rightnow.
But I was thinking like for me,let's say you know, you don't
know what's growing in you rightnow, yeah, so I go get it.
Kills whatever's growing.
I'm like him.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
I know.

Speaker 3 (55:23):
He's just taking stuff.
I'm taking it.
Mk sells his kill.

Speaker 1 (55:27):
There's no doubt.

Speaker 3 (55:28):
I'm taking him with me.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
I don't want to say there's no downside.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
You're going to hell.
No, I am going to hell In a fewreligions.
I'm going to heaven in a coupleother religions, just so you
know I'm devout on that.
But no, it's.
There's Some things that areworking that you guys are doing
that I'm just skeptical of.
The only thing is to add thebenefits with the side effects.

(56:01):
The things you guys are talkingabout is minimum side effects,
true.

Speaker 3 (56:07):
That's like with stem cells.
The side effects are it doesn'twork or it works.
Yeah, that's like with stemcells.
Yeah, side effects are itdoesn't work or it works.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
Yeah, there's nothing Hypothetical problems.
Stem cells can lead to cancer.

Speaker 3 (56:20):
If you get the bad like these stem cells.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
I'll send you these about.
No, it's beyond, yeah, yeah, itwould be freaking crazy to give
you that clone of that cellthat is going to cause cancer.

Speaker 4 (56:32):
The thing I do want to try is so there's these guys
doing.
I think it's exosomes andultrasound like so they said he
wants it.
He says he wants to try, so thisis going to be done tomorrow
tune in with ultrasound they canguide where the exosomes go,
because you get these exosomesbut like the exosomes you get,

(56:55):
it's still like, even when theysay 20 billion or whatever, like
your body has like trillionsand trillions and it doesn't
really, you know, for anythingto take that much effect on you.
It's not quite enough so,especially for brain function
and stuff.
Not quite enough so, especiallyfor brain function and stuff.
So these guys are using anultrasound to kind of make the

(57:15):
vessels more sticky for theexosomes.

Speaker 3 (57:17):
That's what they.
When I got my stem cells lastweek in my back, they used
ultrasound to guide.

Speaker 4 (57:21):
You could watch it, yeah, but this actually is a
different type of ultrasoundthat actually, like, makes the
vessels stickier for theexosomes, so the exosomes have
more effect on the brain itself.
So it's like an ultrasoundguided, like it's not actually
injecting it into the brainyou're getting an iv but it's

(57:41):
making the vessels more sticky.

Speaker 3 (57:43):
So the brain specifically, yes, brain
specifically.
Yeah, I need to get the nasalspray.
I need to get the peptides.
I need to get the brainfunction, yeah.
So how, how old were you whenyou realized you need to get the
nasal spray?
I'll text you.
I need to get the peptides.

Speaker 4 (57:52):
I need to get the brain function, yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
So how old were you when you realized you need to go
into radio because of yourvoice?
To radio, yeah, oh.

Speaker 3 (57:59):
I don't think I have a radio voice.
I think maybe it's just kind ofevolved.
I wanted to be radio my wholelife, since I was a kid.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (58:15):
That's all I ever wanted.
Did you train your voice to bethat way?
And maybe it's evolved that way, but not on purpose.
What about?

Speaker 1 (58:18):
you.
You guys are all doctors, bothof you doctors, and your
brothers are doctors.
Yeah, it was all by mistake.
We say it kind of was he did it.
I was a straight c student andhe was like god, just try med
school, you might like it.
I was like okay where'd you go?
To med school.
Caribbean really, yeah, we allwent to the Caribbean, yeah yeah
wow.

Speaker 4 (58:33):
Yeah, that's why I say it's by mistake.
I thought I was going to do MMAor play football he was trying
because at the time there was an.

Speaker 3 (58:41):
XFL so.

Speaker 4 (58:41):
I was just training to go play football where'd you?
Grow up in the east coast ofRhode Island.
Rhode Island how'd you get toPhoenix?
I came here to do generalsurgery training.

Speaker 3 (58:51):
Are you the oldest one?
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (58:55):
So you came here to do general surgery and I did
general surgery at County andthen I went to New York and did
plastics and then I met my wifehere and I loved it in Arizona
and I hated the East Coast eversince I was 18.
I'm like I'm never coming back.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
But you guys have two more brothers.

Speaker 4 (59:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (59:13):
And they 18.
I'm like.

Speaker 4 (59:13):
I'm never coming back .
You guys have two more brothers, yeah, and are they moved here
too, one of them?
One is moved here, one of themis a neurosurgeon.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
He's the slow one.
He's still practicing in RhodeIsland.

Speaker 3 (59:24):
Oh, your parents.
You moved them here, I movedthem here.

Speaker 4 (59:26):
That's awesome.

Speaker 3 (59:27):
You see them a lot.

Speaker 4 (59:28):
Yeah, because they take care of my kids like twice
a week.

Speaker 3 (59:31):
Oh, that's great.

Speaker 4 (59:31):
Yeah, yeah Do you watch their health too?
I do, we try, yeah, I try.
Like my mom is so anti-medicine, oh geez.
Like she stopped taking herthyroid medication and she gets
crazy.
And I'm like, yeah, you got toget back on your thyroid
medication.
I'm like your hair looksthinner.
Yeah, you got to get back onyour thyroid medication.

(59:53):
I'm like your hair looksthinner.
I'm like it's because you likegot to take your thyroid.
She's like, oh, I don't need it, I feel okay.
I'm like, no, you, you need it,you know.
And like she had trigger fingerand I do hand surgery and I was
telling her I'm like I can giveyou a steroid shot.
Come and get a, get a shot.
She, no, no.
And then she's like you knowwhat my primary care physician

(01:00:14):
said?
Maybe I should get an mribefore doing anything.
I'm like I'm the hand surgeon,but you want to go and listen?

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
to your pcp.
I'm like go ahead, just don'twhy would you even have a
primary care?
Would you just come to you guys?

Speaker 4 (01:00:25):
yeah, it's her she tells me to take my kids to the
pediatrician, because we don'tknow what a pediatrician oh my
god, yeah, yeah, no.

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
And then ruse has to tell her it's like I have a
brother who's 10 times betterdoctor than me my dad, my dad's,
my dad's.

Speaker 4 (01:00:43):
A health freak though he.
He walks like 10 miles a day.
Oh that's awesome yeah evenduring the summertime he'll wake
up early, go walking.
Yeah, yeah, he doesn't stopwalking.

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
He's nuts, but yeah, he was by yesterday and, not
being a good son that I am, I'mplaying FIFA because I'm trying
to sneak a game or two in beforeSarah gets home and I am ranked
in the top 1,000intendo switch,so I'm trying to I'm trying to
maintain that status and likeparents are hanging around the

(01:01:19):
house because they watch ari, he, he just got a cochlear implant
so he's starting to hear thingsa little better, but he just
goes like that's, that's reallygood for what you do in surgery.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
I'm like I want to say yes to not disappoint you,
but maybe, maybe not but he,he's always had a wise thing to
say.

Speaker 4 (01:01:45):
Like he doesn't talk much, but he says wise things,
and that that's why, like Iturned to medicine, I was like
you know, and I saw the brochurefor the place in the Caribbean.
It was on a golf course and yousaw the beach and I was like,
oh, I'm going there.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
Where in the?

Speaker 4 (01:02:00):
Caribbean.

Speaker 3 (01:02:01):
Like what city?

Speaker 4 (01:02:01):
I was in St Martin.

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
Oh, wow we went to Antigua.
So, two brothers went to StMartin.

Speaker 4 (01:02:14):
Two brothers went to Antigua.
That's so cool.
Yeah, it was.
You know, like when we, whenyou get there, it's like you got
.
Well, I taught myself.
I'm like I flew all the way outhere, I gotta get shit done.
So, like from there, like I wasalways at the top and like
people always thought I wascheating, I'm like, dude, I'm
teaching you the anatomy andI've never taken anatomy before.

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
I'm just studying this shit and teaching and he's
so proud of that school, hebought scrubs with that school's
color.

Speaker 4 (01:02:43):
School color, yeah, but like my other brothers him
and the other middle one that'sa neurosurgeon they're failing
so hard.
My mom's like I don't know whatto do with these guys.
They don't listen.
I'm like hey, send them downhere.
There's a bunch of idiots thatare trying to become physicians.

(01:03:04):
I think once they see themthey'll think differently.

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
So they came down a couple times and they changed
their mind.
My other brother I rememberthat talk ruse was like look at
these guys, look at this guy.
He can't talk to a human being,he's gonna be a doctor.
He's, he gets one of thehighest scores.
You guys don't think you can dothis and this guy's gonna be a
doctor.
Whatever.
If you don't want to do it, youdon't want to do it, but you're

(01:03:30):
going to be less than this guybut those things are.

Speaker 4 (01:03:34):
It is a money machine .
They're like, you know, likethat first year, 30 percent of
the students drop out.
It's like it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
Within like two months, all that my first year
like my school wasn't as welldeveloped as his school.
The first day we showed up,it's about 120 students in your
class and then, like three weekslater, we're just like, oh yeah
.
It's like hey, what happened tothis guy?
We've gone out with him likeevery night and he just like

(01:04:05):
ghosted, just like disappeared,and that happened to like two,
three people.
It it's like, oh yeah, 20people just disappeared.

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
So how long ago did you guys move to Phoenix?

Speaker 4 (01:04:17):
I moved in 2007.

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
Oh wow, I moved in 2020.

Speaker 3 (01:04:22):
Oh, wow, wow, you like it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
I love it.
Oh good, yeah, it's my kind ofplace.
Yeah, yeah, I love it here too.

Speaker 3 (01:04:31):
Yeah, it's my kind of place.

Speaker 4 (01:04:32):
Yeah, yeah, I love it here too.
Yeah, it's chill.
I went back to the East Coastfor plastics.

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
I also get used to whatever climate there is.
Give me six hours, I'll getused to it, are you both?

Speaker 3 (01:04:48):
in plastics?
Yeah, and you both worktogether.

Speaker 4 (01:04:50):
Yep, yeah, so some of the breast reconstructions we
do together like we're in theoperator room at the same time,
because they're longerprocedures.
They're six to ten hours.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
Teach them a.

Speaker 4 (01:05:01):
Thing or two, and what's the name of the practice?
Elite plastic surgery, leap,elite, oh elite elite, yeah, not
par elite elite.

Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
We're gonna change it to tarabi brothers.

Speaker 4 (01:05:12):
But we're like all right if, if we grow it and like
that.
That was the main thing wecan't have people.

Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
I'm also trademarking great scottsdale boobs for our
before and afters so do you haveboobs on your instagram?
Before and after we do that'sawesome we got to get more on
there.
I will be next like six monthsruse I'm all down.

Speaker 4 (01:05:36):
I definitely want to come try some stuff, yeah yeah,
yeah, one of the things that forsleep and my my wife thinks I
always have like some sort ofheadpiece that I wear to go to
sleep you do something thathelps me meditate or fall asleep
fast and like, I gave him oneof mine and I don't think he
ever uses it- I did the.
Brainwash, the Brain Tap.

Speaker 3 (01:05:58):
Oh, the Brain Tap.
I've seen that.

Speaker 4 (01:06:00):
Yeah, so I love it.
Like, especially like somenights, like I'll wake up in the
middle of the night and I'mlike, especially when you hit
that deep sleep within the firsttwo hours can't go to bed, I
can't go back to sleep, and it'slike two, three in the morning
I'll put it on and, like you,put it on one of the deep sleep
things and you're like out.
Yeah, I wanted, I haven't triedthat either.

(01:06:21):
But I remember that thing, I'veseen it because it helps you
with some breath work and thenit's got vibration and
frequencies and it works prettywell.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
I liked it, I a couple times.
It's just having somethingaround your head.

Speaker 3 (01:06:32):
I'm already wearing a friggin'.
Yeah, yeah, the.

Speaker 1 (01:06:35):
CPAP is as bad as you can get, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:06:38):
Not only that, but I have the mouth guard in, I got
earplugs in and I put this likeski mask on this really thin ski
mask.
So, because the CPAP leavesmarks right here, oh yeah, oh
yeah.
So I put the mask on, it has alittle hole here and then I just
put it there's your businessidea to like break in the
headset right, like I thoughtabout apple shit is there,
there's your, there's.

Speaker 1 (01:06:59):
30 of the population suffers from this.

Speaker 3 (01:07:02):
Make them more comfortable wearing the c-pad.
I pitch it to the, the husbandof the woman that owns spanx.
Yeah, I was like, hey, man,tell your wife this, I go and I
don't even need a cut, take it.
8 million people got sleepapnea.
Go.
Yeah, never heard of it.