Your Music Choices Quietly Rewrite Your Health

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Episode Transcript

SPEAKER_10 (00:19):
You had a pretty interesting journey into how you
got into becoming an acropath,correct?

SPEAKER_03 (00:24):
Yeah, yeah.
You were in TV.
I was in the televisionbusiness.
Yeah.
I had my own talk shows and Iwas an anchor and did that, but
I was always interested inscience.
And then long story short, um,family having some things, and I
said, there's got to be a betterway.
I was always interested insurgery.
I said, if I was gonna do anallopathic route, it would be
surgery that makes sense whenit's needed, it's needed, right?

(00:47):
Um otherwise the chronicdegenerative were failing, it's
a miserable failure.
But when I knew there was alicense to do both, to be able
to prescribe and look and dominor surgeries and these
things, I said, okay, this iswhere I want to want to sit.
So and then I knew from day onethough that I always wanted to
get back to the public to beable to say, let me put this in
terms you can hear.

SPEAKER_06 (01:08):
Isn't that opposite like allopathic and surgery?
I know there's some um I don'tknow, but naturopathic surgery
you're talking about.

SPEAKER_03 (01:19):
Well it's it's a bridge, yeah.
So it it's a bridge of it's goodscience and good medicine is
good medicine.
I don't care what type ofphysician you are, how you were
trained, good medicine's goodmedicine, a good science.
There's a time and a place forsurgery, there's time and a
place for chemo.

SPEAKER_10 (01:35):
You're thinking differently.
You're thinking holistic versusallopathic.
So naturopathic isn't exactlyholistic.

SPEAKER_03 (01:43):
So let's describe, I think there's always this
semantics that we all strugglewith, right?
Holistic, people think of thatas that homeopathy, and people
say, whatever that is, right?
It's a whole system in itself.
Holistic means you're looking atthe whole person, the whole
body, everything.
You're not just a specialistlooking at one section, you're
looking at all of it.
But naturopathic medicaldoctors, like in Arizona where

(02:05):
I'm licensed, we're licensed inboth systems of medicine.
So we're trained to do minorsurgery, we can prescribe
medicine, so we're trained tothink allopathically or
conventional medicine, look atthe science, look at this, but
we're also trained in guesswhat's over here?
Clinical nutrition, botanicalmedicines, uh Chinese medicine.
We know we're licensed in thesethings and know this side so

(02:29):
that we get to say, okay, let'slook at the whole picture.
It's not either or.

SPEAKER_06 (02:33):
Yeah.
Yeah, it definitely isn't eitheror.
Yeah.
You have to combine them.

SPEAKER_03 (02:38):
But we lean more when we can toward natural.
First, let's see if we can dosomething with diet and
lifestyle as we were talking.
How much can you get there?
Uh but I like to cut.
Yeah.
Well, I did you I was known Iwas known as the needle queen.
I was doing prolo and plateletbefore anybody was talking about
it, right?
So I like the the procedures aswell, but I don't do that

(03:00):
anymore.
I'm just working with myoncology patients.

SPEAKER_10 (03:02):
Uh so you don't do the injections there?

SPEAKER_03 (03:05):
I don't anymore.
I taught it.
We did it for years.
There's a group of us thattaught this around the United
States, and we taught enough ofthem.
Those people know how to do itnow.
Yeah.
Like, go go do it.
Um, I'm more education now.

SPEAKER_07 (03:15):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (03:15):
All right, cool.
Especially with oncology, withthe metabolic therapies,
hyperbaric keto, the repurposeddrugs.

SPEAKER_10 (03:22):
Yeah.
So one of my questions was like,if you were to run a wellness
center, what are your top, likeeither you can call them
biohacking or what what thingsshould you have in a wellness
clinic?

SPEAKER_03 (03:36):
Yeah, if you look, everybody's got the same stuff
going now, right?
Everybody's doing the same IVs,same things that we as nature
paths have been doing a longtime.
But but it's it's great andtrying to keep up with the
latest and greatest.
My issue is is that I think thatif you're going to be on that
gray area or something that'snot quite there, become a
research center or at least dobe doing research on what you're

(03:58):
doing.
So you're collecting the dataand you know you're keeping
people safe.
So that's my thing.
I had a group, um, you guysprobably know Dr.
Paul Nassif from Botch.
Paul's a good friend.
Yeah.
Ian um the chair of Cedar SinaiCardiology uh came to me and
they said, this has been a fewyears ago, and they said we need
to do a longevity clinic.
And I said, Well, first of all,let's call it mitoclinics, and I

(04:19):
trademarked that because we'readdressing the mitochondria.
So anything that addressesmitochondria.
Yeah.
So that's your diet, yourlifestyle, certain supplements.
Yeah, those are basics to me.
Yeah.
And then you got to address thestress, which I know nothing
better than music.

unknown (04:33):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (04:33):
You got to talk to Barry about that in a minute.
To get people into a brain andheart entrainment where we can
get that stress under controlbecause some of the most
stressed people I know are thebuyer hackers.

SPEAKER_07 (04:44):
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (04:44):
I had one in my office today.
You guys would love it.
Fit guy, I mean, on it, on it.

SPEAKER_10 (04:48):
Worries about answers.
Oh yeah.
More is better than it's a goodthing.
How to do better.
But like, yeah, but but it'syeah, like I when I first
started getting into it, andlike, you know, you you read the
different books, and I'm like,this just seems like too much.
And then like it was too much.
And you're like, all right, howlike as a surgeon, I don't have

(05:11):
time to do like any of that.

SPEAKER_06 (05:13):
It's a different way for different people to enter
that.
Definitely state.

SPEAKER_10 (05:17):
I'm like, I'd rather sleep than do a three-hour
morning routine.

SPEAKER_03 (05:21):
And you know, sleep's probably more
restorative and better anyway.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (05:24):
So yeah.
And I was gonna say music, youknow, it's never thought of as a
biohack, but it's one of theoldest biohacks that we have.
Yes.
If you go back to Chinesemedicine, even in the symbol of
Chinese medicine, the symbol ofmusic is within that.

SPEAKER_08 (05:36):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (05:37):
Unless it's nickel back, then it's the opposite.

SPEAKER_01 (05:40):
Well, if it brings joy, that's that's healing too.

SPEAKER_06 (05:43):
We we we did um I actually did the did a sound
session with my wife with thesound bowls.

SPEAKER_02 (05:51):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (05:53):
One of the resorts here last weekend.
And and she was like, okay, ifyou don't want it to be too
intense, have your head thisway.
I was like, oh no, I want myface right next to the bowls.
It got so loud, and it was ittoo much.
It's not too much.

(06:14):
For me, this is like exactlywhat I want.
Uh I was like, last time I didit, I fell into a trance,
literally.
I fell into a trance, fellasleep, and like fell over.
And I was like, I I I wanteverything I felt that last
time.
My wife's like complete office,like, I want to be propped up,

(06:38):
and it would be nice to hearthat.
And it was still too loud forher with the bulls, everybody's
but I was just like, my get meinto deeper trance, deeper
trance listening.

SPEAKER_04 (06:52):
You probably like staying in front of the sub
offers at the club, too.

SPEAKER_06 (06:54):
Yeah, yeah.
Kind of, kinda, kinda.
It matters like how uh how itmakes you feel, right?
Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 (07:01):
And some people want to feel it more than and I think
that's uh something that's notnormally talked about, like
within within non-invasive typetreatments, right?
And biohacking within music andfrequency and vibration.
It's the same thing, like we'renot talking about dosage, uh,
each person is individual, andthe dosage matters for it to be
take you to the place you wantto go.

(07:22):
You want to move intoparasympathetic.
You're gonna have a differentway that you receive the music
than your wife does.
So her dosage is gonna bedifferent than yours.

SPEAKER_10 (07:32):
And but we don't talk about dosage and music.
So the vibration.
There you go.

SPEAKER_06 (07:37):
So there is different that this different
sensory, um, like whether it'slike visual or auditory or
sensory.
Um, it and I was just like,okay, this just she wouldn't
like this.
I want this to be as an intensething, like let me lay it my

(08:00):
head next to your sound bowl.
And it it's not really that loudif you have your eyes open, if
you close your eyes.
Oh my god, that's the loudestthing.

SPEAKER_04 (08:10):
Well, yeah, because your your brain waves are
slower.
As soon as you slow your eyes,you're moving into an alpha
state.
So you're you're hearing thingsdifferently and receiving it in
your body differently as well.
And you're producing differenthormones.
You know, if she's stressed out,right, she's gonna be producing
cortisol.
If you're relaxed, you're gonnabe moving into producing less of

(08:32):
that and possibly producingdopamine.
So the emotional aspects have aneffect on your physical
pharmacy.
And even going back tonickelback, you know, when
you're talking about talkingabout nickelback.
Here's something interesting,though.
So they did studies of people inpsychosis, yeah, right, and they
couldn't listen to relaxingmusic and slow their brain waves

(08:55):
down.
It's too far apart.
Too far apart.
They're in high beta brainwaves,and they're trying to get them
down to a very slower brainwavestate.
So they have to.

SPEAKER_03 (09:03):
Have that he's in psychosis?
That's why you can't.

SPEAKER_10 (09:10):
You can't do that with music in the Nickelback and
Noah.

SPEAKER_04 (09:14):
It's preferred music, so it's their preferred
music that took place out ofthat.
Yeah, I have more and moreresearch on preferred music.

SPEAKER_06 (09:21):
Yeah, preferred music rather than like certain
types of music.
That's right.

SPEAKER_04 (09:24):
Yeah, and working out as well.
You know, same same thing.
They're showing recoveries ishigher when you're listening to
the music that you like, notjust the music that's going on
in your gym.

SPEAKER_06 (09:34):
Yeah.
So no more nickelbag.

SPEAKER_09 (09:37):
Well, I I use I use what's the visor, the headpiece
that I don't know.
You have so much um brain tap.
I was gonna say I love I lovebrain tapping.
Yeah, brain tap works great.

SPEAKER_10 (09:52):
And then um I also got this new thing, Neurovisor,
which plays a light show, andyou like it gets you into a
trance.
And seriously, it's like, youknow, the stuff that they say is
gonna give you energy.
It does give you energy andyou're like awake and like
changes your whole thoughtprocess.
And I I always talk about itbecause I think it's a great way

(10:15):
if you don't know how tomeditate or get or have time for
it.
I think it's a great way to justkick your way in there.

SPEAKER_03 (10:23):
Yeah, trying to get those brain waves to change
though, watching it on EEGs,yeah, watching the science.
The fastest way I've seen iswith music.
Yeah, it changes becauseeverything else you have to
think through.
Yeah, even your thinking, isthis working on the music
immediately takes you there.

SPEAKER_07 (10:37):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (10:38):
So it's it's amazing because we are frequency beings.
I mean, we know we all vibrateat different frequencies.
We just are.
Yeah, we're not just this uhphysical bag that we see here,
right?

SPEAKER_04 (10:48):
So that's how we met.
We actually met through uhphysical bags.
I was gonna say, did we?
I'm like, I don't remember thatthrough what?
Through physical.
Frequency dating.
It should have been dating.
Someone uh you well, you tellthe story.

SPEAKER_03 (11:04):
That's all right.
I was just in an airport and Iwas talking about um cold
lasers.
I was I used to teach a lot offrequency-based medicine.

SPEAKER_07 (11:12):
Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_03 (11:12):
So I'm saying 16 Hertz for you know muscle
retraction.
I was given in a protocol tosomebody, and somebody heard me
on the phone talking aboutfrequency and hertz, and she
said, I've got to tell you aboutthis musician because he opens
up for Wayne Dyer, his music isused in hospitals, he's written
a book, blah, blah, blah.
And his music has been proven tobe changing these frequencies

(11:34):
and branding.
So, anyway, that's how we met.
Long story short.
She introduced me to that galintroduced a couple years later.

SPEAKER_04 (11:41):
Two years later we met.
So, what do you play?
Uh, so I my main instrumentstarted off as guitar, and
actually, I was uh rockmusician, hip hop, club music,
New York City producer.
So I was not expecting to moveinto this area, you know.
What if I say um, you know, thethousands of people every night
sleep with Barry Goldstein, youknow, because it's true, like

(12:03):
people are using my music.
Yeah, I sleep with BarryGoldstein as is my uh is my
funny.
But they didn't get it.
Yeah, literally, I got burnt outin the music business.
Yeah.
And I said, How do I get back tofalling back in love with music
again?
Did some research and found liketargeting the heart at a relaxed
state, which is about 60 beatsper minute.

(12:24):
This was like almost 30 yearsago now.
They weren't really talkingabout heart entrainment or
coherence back then.

SPEAKER_08 (12:31):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (12:31):
And I said, What would happen if I just allowed
myself to just take the journey,set my metronome like a DJ,
because I I worked with DJs, Iknow the beats per minute.
I'll set it for 60 beats perminute, and didn't think anyone
was gonna listen to this type ofmusic.
The opposite of what I wasdoing, yeah, right, which was
you had to have a hook, achorus, you know, three minutes

(12:51):
music, and you know, people haveto be able to hum it.
It was like the opposite ofthat, and just um, you know,
started sharing it with withfriends and family initially,
and just found a a lot of peoplebeing able to use it in a
dentist's office, yeah, forparents in hospice, and that
made me want to research it moreof like, okay, I know it's
working, but why why is itworking?

SPEAKER_08 (13:13):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (13:14):
And um we now we now know now that when you move into
these smooth and orderly heartrhythms, when you're in
training, so you have a physicalum metronome, which is our
heart, obviously, yeah, itadapts to the tempo of the
music.
Just like when you work out, youlisten to faster music, when you
want to relax, you listen toslower music.
This is called entrainment.

(13:36):
And when you move into thosesmooth and orderly rhythms, we
uh now know as well that theyour brain waves start slowing
down in conjunction.
So there's a relationshipbetween heart coherence and
brain coherence.
Yeah, and it's becoming much ummuch more exciting in terms of a
new field that's calledneurocardiology, yeah, where

(13:57):
they're linking the two togetherand knowing they affect each
other.
And I think that's really thenext step of where it's going in
my world.

SPEAKER_08 (14:05):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (14:06):
Because also in the that longevity and biohacking
community, we're also lookingfor like panaceas, and this is
gonna fix this.
Biohacking the brain.
Or biohacking the brain.
Or even help.
Yeah, just yeah, but again, it'sit's it is individualized
medicine.
It's not just use this frequencyfor that use, for that.

(14:26):
There's a lot more than that.
Yeah, and it's geared towardsyour preferences, specific
tempos, specific harmonics.
It all kind of has to happen.

SPEAKER_06 (14:36):
Specific tones, beats, there's people are gonna
respond to different things, andthere's there's some ways, like
even a lazy person will respondto a certain beat a certain way
that like another personwouldn't.

SPEAKER_10 (14:53):
Do you think some of these, but like some of these
DJs just have like I don't knowif it's emotional intelligence
or music intelligence, becauselike you see it, like some DJs
they can't get anyone on arhythm, and then some of them
they're like every step of theway, they they get a rise and
they make the people fall.
And that's a great uh greatanalogy.

SPEAKER_06 (15:14):
It matters how many how much drugs the audience is
on.
Yeah, well that too, but butyeah, but you can get there
without it.

SPEAKER_04 (15:21):
But that's what I call becoming the DJ of your
life because just likeeverything else, you were
talking about you need a programin place that people can adapt
to, right?
And a way to manage and navigatetheir energy.
Yeah, so it's not just randomexperiences where you have that
like you're laying down for thesound bath.
What would happen if you decidedto use some of that for sleep?
Like I was listening to one ofyour shows, which one of you

(15:43):
guys has problems sleeping?

SPEAKER_10 (15:45):
Or was it a I don't, I just I just use different ways
to like and I've got pretty goodcontrol of it.
But I I found that like youknow, if I'm not on some
peptides that are growth hormonepeptides, it definitely reduces
how much I I get deep sleep.
So and I track everything, soI'm like pretty on top of it.

SPEAKER_06 (16:08):
I got up today, like eight hours 30 minutes of sleep,
which is rare.
That's right.
Like I I usually get up at likesix and a half to seven hours.
Like today I was like right whenI got up, I I knew I got like a
lot of sleep because the likethe sun was shining.

(16:29):
But I just like I got a lot ofsleep.
I feel really good.
But like that one the the sadpart is like that one day of or
it over eight hours of sleep, Ifeel like that that's
replenished me for the week.

SPEAKER_10 (16:47):
But uh it it's I need to hit that one hour mark
of deep sleep.
I know if I hit that one hourmark of deep sleep, I'm like I
want to hit the snooze button inthe morning.
Right.
So like once I cross that path,I'm like, even if it's three in
the morning, once I hit that onehour, I'm like, shit, it's gonna
be tough to get out of here.

SPEAKER_03 (17:07):
You know, I want you I I would challenge you to not
just look at your wearables,yeah, but how do you feel?
Like you're saying and reallymake that because there have
been FTC and FDA actions againsta lot of the wearables because
they're not as accurate as wethink they are.
Oh, and they give youpermission.
I mean, they give they you startlooking at trends and you go,
okay, this makes sense.
But I know people that think ifthat says this, yeah, no matter

(17:31):
what I'm feeling, that's gottabe right.
No, I not necessarily always belistening to the box.

SPEAKER_06 (17:37):
Not just for like wearables, what we're talking
about.
It's like what we're we'retaught to like think of certain
measurements mean certainthings, like it happens a lot,
even laps and stuff, it's likeit's just a marker.
You that stuff changes day today, and yeah, like wearable

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anxiety, like people, you know,like that's the thing, you know.

SPEAKER_10 (18:05):
It's like it's a real thing.
My my main thing is if you know,like if I don't hit that one
hour deep sleep and it shows it,I'm like, I know why I feel
verification of it.
But like but like I'm like, oh,I've really like sucked that
sleep in tonight.
You know, I gotta do somethingeither I never get nap time

(18:26):
during the ass time.
You didn't get enough sleep lastnight.

SPEAKER_05 (18:33):
You know you're gonna tell I didn't get nap
time.

SPEAKER_06 (18:35):
Even if your marker told you you got more than an
hour, like I know you got lessthan acting like a jerk.

SPEAKER_04 (18:42):
You heard it here.
That's the that is the key.
Stop being an asshole.
Yeah.
Because I think we have to askourselves why do we want to live
longer?
Yeah, right?
If you just want to live longerto be an asshole for another 20
years, yeah.

SPEAKER_10 (18:54):
Like look at Brian Johnson.
Actually, like, it's a goodidea.
I mean, like, and and a lot ofit, like we speak about just
look at Brian Johnson.
I like who looks at that guy andis like, I want to live longer
like that guy.
Like, I want eight yearssubtracted to live miserably and
take 300 pills and eat broccolifor breakfast, lunch, and

(19:18):
dinner.
MRI scans every morning.

SPEAKER_04 (19:20):
There's that joy factor too, like you want to
enjoy your life while you'rebeing here.
Yeah, how are you?

SPEAKER_06 (19:26):
Oh, I want to bleed my kid and take their plasma.

SPEAKER_05 (19:31):
I don't know about you guys.
And their fecal.

SPEAKER_06 (19:40):
I think you just should make a plastic.
I think you should be makingt-shirts.

SPEAKER_04 (19:43):
Like, these aren't good t-shirts.
You know, don't be an asshole.
I want my kids plasma.
Yeah, more plasma.

SPEAKER_03 (19:53):
Those young cells are pretty kids, aren't they?

SPEAKER_06 (19:56):
Yeah, he does.
Like, I agree with a lot ofstuff he does and says, and I
don't agree with everything,which is the polarizing world
we're in, where it's like, oh,okay, you're you you're you're
this or you're that.
It's like, no, I I actuallyscientifically, some of the shit

(20:17):
shit he's doing makes sense, butsome of the stuff's like kind of
bonkers, and he does look like avampire, like he legit looks
like a vampire.
I don't know, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Like, what's that show in in theshadows?
Oh, Barnabas Collins.
Oh, yeah, Dark Shadows.

SPEAKER_03 (20:37):
Oh, Dark Shadows, yeah.
No, he's talking about somethingdifferent.
Oh, okay.
And you're aging yourself whenyou're talking about dark
shadows.
These guys don't even know whatthat is.

SPEAKER_06 (20:44):
You might be a vampire.

SPEAKER_03 (20:45):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (20:49):
It's the guy germanium.

SPEAKER_03 (20:50):
Well, and the thing is, there's no one that can say
when you stack all that stuff,how does it work together?

SPEAKER_10 (20:56):
Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_03 (20:57):
And then that person, yeah.
We don't know.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 (21:00):
So how can you that's where, like, yeah, that's
where like your kids, bleed yourkids.

SPEAKER_06 (21:05):
We don't know how things are going yet.
So bleed your kids, take theirThat's the thing.

SPEAKER_10 (21:10):
That's that's always something that I'm like, all
right.
Like some people say youshouldn't stack this and this,
but like, does it really makesense?

SPEAKER_03 (21:18):
There's certain things we know that don't do
well together.
You know, you can't do St.
John's work with a lot ofthings.
I mean, we know certaininteractions, yeah.
Others we have no clue.
Yeah, and we certainly have noclue in you, yeah, or in you.
How is that going to work?
So I always say more's notbetter.
I I I've got to have a realreason to put somebody on a
supplement.
Yeah.
Then the next step is what isthe quality of that supplement?

(21:40):
Because that's a real hardproblem.
And here's the problem even ifthat supplement has a study
behind it or has this, thetesting that was done.
I just had a conversation todaywith a group uh that we're
looking at.
When we double blind a lot ofthese health and wellness type
functional medicine tests, thatmeans you put the same patients,
blood or whatever it is, saliva,same day, two different names,

(22:03):
they better come back lookingalike.
They're not.

SPEAKER_07 (22:06):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (22:06):
They're not.
So how can we trust the sciencebehind the things that we're
taking if the labs are faulty?

SPEAKER_07 (22:12):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (22:13):
So we're talking about we've got a lot of cleanup
to do.

SPEAKER_07 (22:15):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (22:16):
That's why I always go back.
How do you feel?

SPEAKER_07 (22:18):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (22:18):
How are you sleeping?
How do you pooping?
How do you, where's your energy?
The basics, how's yourcognition?

SPEAKER_09 (22:22):
How do you feel?

SPEAKER_06 (22:23):
Like how do you feel your cognition?
Right.
Right.
Like exactly, exactly.
Like that.
Don't like don't do that.
Yeah.
Stop going to that same source.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (22:40):
So it was just that, you know, the the patient today,
he doesn't have cancer.
I've just, he's been a patientfor a long time.
Really a biohacker watchingevery marker, everything wants
blood work all the time.
But yet his blood pressuresstill a little high.
Yeah.
Cortisol's still a little bithigh.
Um, you know, hemoglobin A1C,even, and he doesn't put

(23:00):
anything in his body that wouldcause that.
It's all stress related.

SPEAKER_07 (23:03):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (23:03):
Because he's stressing over being so healthy
and he knows it.
We laugh about it and he'sgetting better.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (23:08):
Unless the ones in there playing the program.

SPEAKER_04 (23:12):
I mean, that's just let me soothe you.
Yeah.
And I mean, seriously though,most people are not looking at
stress and how they're managingtheir stress during your day.
Why aren't they getting sleep atnight?

SPEAKER_07 (23:23):
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (23:23):
Right.
And how are they waking up inthe morning?
When your mind's racing.
Yeah.
Well, that's the thing.

SPEAKER_03 (23:27):
How are you, right?
How do you turn it?

SPEAKER_04 (23:28):
You're not processing your day, right?
Or you're not, and music canhelp you wind down to do that.
And we're looking at our phonesin high beta, right?
Before we're going to sleepevery night.
Or you do you want to wind downfor an hour and you know, listen
to some music.
My wife's gonna be sniffles.

SPEAKER_10 (23:46):
I have a head apparatus on like every night,
and like don't comment myselfgoing to sleep because doing
breath work.

SPEAKER_00 (23:53):
It's better than a sleep pad.
That's yeah, that's great.

SPEAKER_04 (23:55):
And I mean recovery too, right?
I mean, sleep is one of thebiggest things, even in
athletes.
Yeah, you know, if you want tolook at how you're working out,
that's great for peakperformance.
But we're knowing more and morethat if you can get a half an
hour more sleep, yeah, can youknock off a half a second at the
finish line?

SPEAKER_06 (24:11):
And the type of and the type of sleep and the type
of type of sleep.
Because if you're lying in bed,that doesn't mean much.
Right actually asleep, yeah,like that.

SPEAKER_03 (24:23):
If you're going to sleep with those brainwaves fast
and incoherent, all differentspace.
If you're going to sleep likethat, you can fall asleep, but
you're still dreaming like that.
You're not in this smooth,orderly rhythm.

SPEAKER_06 (24:33):
I'm telling you, today I got up and I looked at
my I I knew I got good sleep.
Yeah.
It was just like it was likewithin like the first time in
like two, three weeks, I waslike, This is awesome.
Like this is like I feel good.
And I looked on the thing aslike eight and a half hours of

(24:56):
sleep.
I was like, holy shit, that'sgood.
Two more hours than I'm what I'mused to.
That's what what's that?

SPEAKER_03 (25:05):
But if you could do that every night, I didn't I
yeah, could you accomplish it?

unknown (25:10):
Well, there you go.

SPEAKER_03 (25:10):
Start making connections, right?

SPEAKER_06 (25:13):
The the main connection for me and my sleep
is drinking.
If I have a single drink withinthree to five hours, like they
say, like even Peter Atia saidif you don't have a drink after
five, you should be fine.
Yeah, like I my last drink needsto be like 3 p.m.

(25:35):
Yeah for it to make adifference.
Yeah.
So I I think for for me, it'snot for everybody.
Like I just need to cut outalcohol.

SPEAKER_10 (25:45):
Some of the guys don't want to like I I think
they want to keep their fan baseand they don't want to say don't
drink at all.
Because a lot of people havetheir glass of wine and they
think it's healthy.

SPEAKER_06 (25:57):
So you I gotta you know they don't want to push it
like for my sleep to be normal.

SPEAKER_03 (26:01):
Then I say you have an APO44 if you have that gene
and you have family history ofAlzheimer's, you have no
business.
It doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_06 (26:08):
If you're a human being, if you have 23
chromosomes, you're gonna get upat 3 a.m.
That's true and not be able tofall back to sleep.

SPEAKER_03 (26:17):
That's true.
Alcohol later can't do it.
And the older you get, the worsethat all begins.

SPEAKER_06 (26:22):
That is very true.

SPEAKER_03 (26:23):
You cannot, when you were 18, you could probably do
it.

SPEAKER_06 (26:26):
Yeah, right?

SPEAKER_03 (26:27):
But the older we get, um And now that I'm 19,
it's a little dangerous.

SPEAKER_05 (26:32):
So just sleep through it.

SPEAKER_06 (26:34):
Yeah, I sleep through it, like I feel like
shit.
Let me just sleep some more.
Now when you're over 40, you'relike, um let me get up and it's
not as competitive processing.

SPEAKER_04 (26:46):
Let me look at Instagram, let me look at like
Chase account and all theresponsibilities.
So with that 8.5, like how doesthat how does that move into
your day?
Like, what changes in your dayfrom getting more sleep?
Are you do you have more energy?
Do you feel more focused?
Like does it ripple out?

SPEAKER_06 (27:04):
Today, today I felt like I've rolled out of bed and
I was just like, anytime I wakeup, I feel like I got cut short
of sleep.
That's just how I feel from fromlike being like 12 years old or
however long I remember.
But today I was just like, Ifeel like I wish I could get

(27:29):
another hour's sleep, but I waslike, I feel good.
And I got up, did like a40-minute like leg exercises,
resistance training, um, whichI've been better about, but like
I I just didn't even question ittoday.
I felt I felt really good.

SPEAKER_03 (27:51):
Why did you sleep better last night?
Did you look back at your dayand you're not even?
I didn't drink as much.
Okay, that was the onlyconfounding factor you're
drinking.

SPEAKER_09 (27:59):
Drinking every day, I have been.

SPEAKER_03 (28:01):
Okay, well, there okay.

SPEAKER_06 (28:02):
I drank less last night.
That's great.
Then you make the connectiondrinking a lot earlier.

SPEAKER_03 (28:09):
Earlier.
Well, there you go.

SPEAKER_06 (28:10):
Like saying like four or five hours earlier.

unknown (28:13):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (28:14):
That's how we learn.
That's a biohack.
That you say, for me, I can't,if I do this, this is what
happens.
You got to make connectionsinstead of just, oh great, I got
a good night's sleep, felt greattoday, but why?

SPEAKER_06 (28:25):
I also hate to admit that because it's like, okay,
I'm an alcoholic.
Because like my alcoholconsumption is getting in the
way of my like daily function.
It really isn't, but it isgetting in the way of my daily
optimization.
Yeah.
Like I'm gonna skip this workoutbecause I drank alcohol, I slept

(28:45):
later, I didn't get up earlyenough to work out and stuff
like that.

SPEAKER_03 (28:51):
Yeah, yeah.
Well, that's what we're alwaysdoing, right?
Yeah, it's making connections.
What makes me feel better?

SPEAKER_10 (28:59):
I have been taking supplements.
I I stopped taking, I stoppeddrinking like three years ago.
I did plenty of damage in theearlier days.

SPEAKER_06 (29:06):
Yeah, I always thought he was a robot and now
I'm convinced he is a robot.

SPEAKER_10 (29:10):
Like my brain functions at a big time to
confirm this three years.
When your brain functions at adifferent level, you're like, I
don't want to go back to that,you know, even for a day.
I'm like good not to do it.

SPEAKER_06 (29:22):
Like, I I can't believe I keep reverting back to
it.
Yeah, it it's not it's not likestuff we we say people should
never do, but it's like, okay,go ahead, play with it, yeah,
and then come back to who youare.

SPEAKER_03 (29:39):
If it starts interfering with your daily
life, yeah, your overall, thenyou say I've got a problem.

SPEAKER_04 (29:43):
I think I don't know, biohacking changes
changes, I think the older youget too, and it changes in age.
Like big time.
Like I think about why do I wantto live longer?
Like as I get older and older,I'm moving more towards and it
you be you.
You it becomes very real whensomeone that you know is like

(30:04):
80, and you're like, wow,they're only 15 years older than
me.

SPEAKER_08 (30:09):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (30:09):
I start thinking, wow, I really want to work
optimally, not just for myphysical body, but for my
mission, my purpose, my legacy.
Like, what do I want to leavebehind?

SPEAKER_08 (30:19):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (30:19):
You start thinking at a different level from just
the physical body of really whythat's important to you to live
longer.
Yeah.
You know, not just for measuringthe things that we can see, but
the things you that you can'tsee that you want to leave
behind first for to leave yourimprint.
And that becomes more and morepart of my biohacking.

SPEAKER_06 (30:40):
You're switching into like that like next stage.
I was talking to my friend.
It's like, because I was at herfriend's dad's funeral.
Like, you know you're gettingold when you're going to more
funerals.
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (30:56):
That's true.
Oh, absolutely.
But but let me bring up this theway we're supposed to age.
My dad is almost 92 years old.
That's awesome.
He golfs 18 holes about fourdays a week.
If he'd do more, if you get halfthe time, he dances almost every
night and he goes to the gym andstrength trains.
But he started to have someneurological shake about two

(31:16):
years ago.
I saw it, it's not Parkinson's,but Parkinsonism.
This is the thing.
Yes.
He is very good.
But he went through a horribledivorce at 89 or something.
So here's the deal.
He does hyperbaric oxygen,ketogenic diet.
He strings trains, he does allthese things, and he's got more.
We're living our lives throughhim vicariously.

SPEAKER_00 (31:35):
He comes from stories and we take him
somewhere he's got a date.

SPEAKER_03 (31:39):
Literally.
Seriously.

SPEAKER_00 (31:40):
Finds a couple of things.

SPEAKER_03 (31:41):
Okay, go ahead.
But so what's his passion ofpurpose?
Ours is our work, all that.
His is he's just enjoying it.

SPEAKER_06 (31:51):
That's what matters the most for everybody.
That's right.

SPEAKER_10 (31:54):
Yeah, my dad walks like what five to ten miles a
day.
That's right.

SPEAKER_06 (31:59):
We used to live close to him, and he was just
like, we see him walking in theneighborhood.
Yeah.
And and he saw us like goingthrough his loop.
And Sarah, Ari, and I, my mydaughter, wife, and I like stop
and like, oh, this is dad.
Let's say hi to him.
That's right.
And all he does, like, justlooks up.

(32:20):
Just like, okay, go ahead, goon.
I'm on my walk.
Don't interrupt.
Don't interrupt.
That's right.
Stop being an asshole.
This is my wife and kid.

SPEAKER_03 (32:30):
He's got his priority.
This is my dad.
Get your priorities in.
He's like, I gotta get my steps.

SPEAKER_06 (32:34):
I gotta get my steps in.
That's right.
You little assholes cannot getin the way of that.
But that's what keeps himticking.

SPEAKER_03 (32:41):
That's the thing.
Everybody's different.
What keeps you ticking?
And and we should age that way.

unknown (32:46):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (32:47):
You know, I have 40-year-olds of them coming, oh,
I've got aches and pains.
I'm just getting older.
I said, that is never an excuse.
No.
In my clinic, never an excuse.
I got a reason.

SPEAKER_10 (32:55):
Dude, I have less pain and feel healthier right
now at 45 than I was at 35.

SPEAKER_06 (33:03):
Yeah, and I gotta tell you nothing is probably
more of a symptom of slowingdown and depression than it is
an actual core problem.
Where like people are like, wantto blame it on something.
And it's just like just stretch,just stretch every day, take a

(33:26):
few more steps, take like 2,000more steps a day, listen to more
music.
Or like what's what's going toprovide you joy?
These are more um more symptomsof depression than they are from
you getting old, and people tendto put that into cycle and it

(33:49):
gets out of control.

SPEAKER_03 (33:50):
That's right.
You say, Why do you have thatsymptom?
What happened?
But if you keep asking, but why?
And they say, Well, my familyhad it, but why did your family
have it?
Why why?
If you keep asking, it usuallycomes back to an emotional
something that's attached to it.
It really does.
And until you get to that coreroot, uh you're dealing with
symptoms, and we're probably allpretty good at deal helping

(34:10):
people with their symptoms.
Feel better, look better, andourselves too.
Right, but it's what's thatcore?
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (34:18):
I had a patient today, I was just like the
procedure will not help whatyou're feeling and what you see.
This is this is the last thingthat could be done.
And I can do this procedure, Ican take your money, but it's

(34:40):
not gonna help you out.
It's not gonna help the way youfeel about yourself.
So let's uh let's work on thatand let's see how we can like
what was the procedure facelift.

SPEAKER_03 (34:55):
You know what?
And I would I just I love that,and that's a good doctor.
But that's a good honest doctor,right?
And I have friends, they've hadthree or four facelifts, you
know.
I mean, I'd like to have I'dlike, but I'm just for me, I'm
just like, no, I've got mypurpose and my position.

SPEAKER_10 (35:10):
Like I had a patient, she came and asked me,
she's like, My friends say Ishouldn't change my face.
I'm okay with it.
I'm like, what do you want?
Yeah, I'm like, what do youwant?
You you obviously came in herebecause there was something that
you didn't like in your mirror.
Yeah, so you're here.
It doesn't matter what yourfriends are saying, that's
right.
It's because if your friends hadthe chance to do it, they'd

(35:33):
probably go and do it too.
Yeah, but they they can't get itdone, so they don't want you to
get it done.

SPEAKER_03 (35:38):
You know, sitting on the naturopathic medical
aesthetic board, yes, I was onthere because I studied in
France.
It was the mesotherapy and allthat, just you know, the
mechanical damage that you cando that help the body build some
collagen.
But you know, it was funnybecause some patients you could
do one little tweak and they'rehappy.
Thank you so much.
Life has changed, they feelbetter and it makes them better.
Yeah, but then others, no matterwhat how much you do, yeah, how

(36:02):
much good work, they're nothappy, they're never gonna be
happy because it's inside.
Yeah, they're not, they don'tlike who they are, no matter how
good you make them look.

SPEAKER_06 (36:09):
That's that's how that's how we decide patients.
Yeah, it's like, are theysurgical candidates or not?
Is are they gonna be happy if wereally think they're not?
Like it doesn't matter what youdo, you do the best facelift,
that's right, best rhinoplasty,the best boot job.

SPEAKER_10 (36:26):
You gotta look at their motivation, what their
motivation is.
Yeah, and it's gotta be theirmotivation, not someone else's
motivation, their husband orsomeone else's I want you to
have this.
They're recently divorced, oryou know, they think that's
right, minor is gonna make it.

SPEAKER_06 (36:40):
Yeah, but anytime like you were saying, like they
come in, they're like, my friendsaid they they can't do this or
can't do that, is like my thingI hold inside and not say out
loud is like, well, yourfriend's clearly ugly.

unknown (36:59):
Right, right.

SPEAKER_01 (37:01):
We can't post that one.
The things you can't say, butyou want to, inner thoughts and
outer thoughts.
But you know what?

SPEAKER_03 (37:07):
You guys it's refreshing to hear you though,
because there are many people inthe aesthetic world that would
take any and all comers, takethe money, hope they don't come
out of the way.

SPEAKER_10 (37:18):
But the aesthetics is like, you know, like I've
always like when people liketell me they put more than two
syringes of filler in anyone, Icringe and I'm like, How do you
fill that?
Like, how I'm like, you know,and they're doing a face, they
have no contour to their face,they're doing 10, 12 syringes,

(37:40):
and I'm like, you might savelike that lady, you might save
her from getting injected by thewrong people, yeah, saying
they're gonna do a liquidfacelift, them injecting 10
vials that only maybe last twoyears, at most, at most, and
then they're they're back doingit again, and it it's just
making them look worse andworse.

(38:00):
So sometimes you can give themthe natural look with a
facelift.
Yeah, that's right.
But like, no, no, you probablymade the right decision.
I'm just saying, just ingeneral, these days it's like
move to and I I tell them PR I'mmore into PRP and fat grafting
and stuff.
Stuff that's natural.

SPEAKER_06 (38:19):
Yeah, oh yeah, there's yeah, yeah.
Um I I had a couple come in andand they're in their 70s, and
one of them has been regularlydoing chemical peels.
They're both light skinned,yeah, and one has not.
And it's like it's like, yeah,like I want to be able to guess

(38:41):
that you guys were both the sameage.
Yeah, so like proper skincare,doing the right things, yeah,
like it adds up.
It sure does.
And I mean, it it kills ourbusiness, is like less
facelifts, less brow lifts, butum but you can do so many
procedures and thin that skin somuch in the long run.

SPEAKER_10 (39:05):
That's the shiny, the shiny people coming in.
That's the shiny people comingin.
You're like, you touch them andthey'll just fight the stuff.
I don't know if that's what staytogether.
Yeah, but that's why we put themin hyperbarracks right away.
That's right.
That's very smart.
That's like I was asking you forwellness stuff, because like we
have hyperbarics, we have redlight therapy, or our two main

(39:26):
things post-operative care.
That's right.
And we're building a surgerycenter, and we're gonna put like
a four-person chamber in thereto like be able to have more
comfort.
Hyperbaric is amazing.

SPEAKER_03 (39:38):
I'm so glad because you guys are yeah, red light,
well, cold laser, red light,laser, even infrared, but red
light and hyperbaric.
I love that's what I have beenlecturing for.
My mentor was Bill Tiller.
He was um in the movie What theBleep Do We Know, but he was the
science guy that nobody couldunderstand.
He was the chair of the physicsdepartment at Stanford for 40

(40:00):
years.
He taught me the right questionsto ask.
So when I started talking andand and teaching docs about
laser physics, yeah, red lightis just so I I bought this red
light mat.

SPEAKER_10 (40:11):
I had lower back pain for like eight months.
I tried peptides, everythingstretching.
Yep, it wasn't getting better.
I bought this red light mat.
I'm like, all right, they wereat the A4M meeting.
Rely on it?
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (40:23):
Is it an LED or is it a laser?

SPEAKER_10 (40:26):
Um, it's LED and it's got infrared lights in it.
Yeah, okay.
It's like a six and one.
Yeah, so it looks like anAlibaba thing, you know?
Yeah, but it's like it said thethe company says they're made in
USA, but it their entire sitelooks like it's straight out of
Alibaba.

SPEAKER_03 (40:43):
You know, it's assembled maybe in USA, but
maybe not made in USA.

SPEAKER_10 (40:48):
I know.
I but I feel better.
I religiously go on that thinglike every night.
I lay on it as I'm putting myson to sleep, and it's like 30
minutes every night and twoweeks, like my lower back pain
completely gone.

SPEAKER_03 (41:03):
I challenge you, was it gonna go away without that or
not?
I don't think so.
I had it for like eight months.

SPEAKER_10 (41:07):
I had it for eight months, tried everything.

SPEAKER_03 (41:10):
LED can work.

SPEAKER_06 (41:11):
Yeah, LED's good laser pivot tools.

SPEAKER_10 (41:16):
I was, but that wasn't doing anything.
I was actually getting morepain.
I was gonna say that might,yeah.
Yeah, I actually tried it.

SPEAKER_03 (41:24):
Yeah, yeah, it could irritate.
No, red light's underutilized,and and I love it.
Now I would say red light fourhours away from hyperbaric,
though, sometimes if it dependswhat cancer we do.
For the you don't have to, butthat's the what we are seeing in
our science, the research thatwe've got now.

SPEAKER_06 (41:42):
Sorry, the the one reason I like went towards red
light, yeah, is I had like twopatients after nose job that
came in with like, oh yeah, Ihave the red light mask.
It wasn't like an expensive redlight mask, it was like just
some.
It's an LED then Sephora.
Yeah, it's an LED.
And I I was absolutely shockedwith the amount of swelling and

(42:08):
bruising that resolved withinone week.
Yeah, it like we did a nose jobon my brother.
He he went through it all and hehad horrible swelling, bruising.
Yeah, like them.
I was just like, can I operateon this?
What am I doing right?
This is great.

SPEAKER_03 (42:27):
That's it's exactly right.
You know, post and pre evenpre-surgery, using these laser
techniques for 20 years now.
I've been using it.
And it healing fractures aftersurgery.
They go back, and the surgeonsare always like, oh my gosh,
this is half the time and bettereffect than we would expect
without it.

SPEAKER_10 (42:46):
Yeah, it's so what's the science be behind the timing
between hyperbarxes?

SPEAKER_03 (42:50):
Well, it's new, but it's coming out.
Some of the science, uh, DominicDagostino is out of the
University of Southern Florida.
Yeah, he's funded by DARPA bythe Department of Defense.
He's been entrusted to look atwhat are the best therapies to
make our super soldiers faster,better, stronger, right?
So uh for Navy SEALs and I yeah.
So so all of that, uh, you know,I I follow he's part of our

(43:14):
international group, Society ofIntegrative Metabolic Oncology,
and I know Dominic, we're goodfriends.
So I follow what he's got goingon, what he's seeing coming out
of there.
So right now, our our hypothesisand thought and what we're
seeing is that they need to be apart.
It's a hype, it's a it's justmechanisms.
They may interfere with oneanother.
They're not harmful to do it,but you're gonna get better

(43:35):
effect if we have about afour-hour window.

SPEAKER_05 (43:37):
Well, no, because the data antioxidants are not.

SPEAKER_10 (43:39):
Yeah, because we have our patients, they do
hyperbarics and then they go anddo the red light right after it.
So it's you know, it's back toback.
Yeah, for post-operative.

SPEAKER_03 (43:51):
Well, it depends what we're we're doing.
For for cancer patients, we dored light and we'll say do that
in the morning and do yourhyperbaric in the afternoon or
four hours apart.

SPEAKER_10 (43:58):
What do you think about all these uh like
different lights?
You know, like you uh somethingthat's coming big in the
aesthetic industry is thisElixir MD that has like yellow
light post-surgery day onethrough three.
No, no, it's like yellow lightor blue light and this other

(44:19):
garbage.
And I'm like all I want is themy red light bed and network.
Red light, blue light, right?
Bud light.
You're back to the bud light.

SPEAKER_04 (44:29):
Yeah, there you go, there you go.
No sleep tonight.

SPEAKER_00 (44:31):
No sleep tonight.

SPEAKER_04 (44:32):
Not after three, after three p.m.
I'll call it.

SPEAKER_05 (44:36):
It's like 25 bud lights and go to the times.
That's right.

SPEAKER_03 (44:40):
You're gonna wake up a bit.
So the phototherapies, I think,is the wave of the future.
We need to start using it more.
We need more science behind it.
There's not a lot of uh peopleto put money behind it because
there's not a lot of money to behad.
But I do know, again, from mymentor, the farther you get in
on that spectrum towardultraviolet or radio frequency,
whichever, you're getting moreharmful.
We have more science and redlight in that, that visible red

(45:03):
light in what that does.
And we've got a lot of goodscience with that.
The farther away you get fromthat, like lavender, we had a
lavender laser that was beingused aesthetically, and it was
being used for weight loss andthis and that.
And I talked to Bill, doc BillTiller about it, and he said,
You're way too close to the UVlight.
He said he thought it could becancer causing.
So and even green light.

SPEAKER_06 (45:23):
We didn't have the lavender scent.

SPEAKER_03 (45:25):
No, to go with it.
Yeah.
I don't think we know enoughabout it yet, but blue light,
yes.
I mean, fungal infections, weknow these things can be
powerful, but for the thingsthat we're talking about, red
light's a safe place to go.

SPEAKER_10 (45:37):
Yeah, that's that's what I thought because it's got
I think it's got the blue lightat the beginning to maybe fight
off infection or something likethat.
And that's okay.
Yeah, there's not as much on theI know, I mean, I think that's a
marking.
Yeah, I was like, uh, I'd ratherget my fancy red light.
Yeah, and and yeah, the the redlight bed we're looking at has

(45:58):
like, I don't know, it itinfuses um hydrogen, and yeah,
and on top of it, you got likevibration acoustic treatment on
it too.
So like you're getting allstarting to layer things.

SPEAKER_03 (46:10):
Yeah, I would just say with um with a full-body red
laser, red light, we're a littleconcerned about that with
cancer.
If you put it over directly overa cancerous tumor somewhere
because it causes angiogenesis,that new growth of blood vessels
for your listeners, right?
Don't put it, do a panel, dosomething, yeah, but don't put
it right over the tumor.

SPEAKER_06 (46:30):
It makes perfect sense because you don't want to
like hyperpower cancer.

SPEAKER_03 (46:36):
That's right.
You don't want to give it theblood flow to grab it.

SPEAKER_06 (46:40):
Pretty much all our patients, the cancer's cut out.
Yeah, yeah.
So then we just want to.

SPEAKER_10 (46:46):
But not all of it sometimes.
So they could still have it intheir own.

SPEAKER_03 (46:50):
And you gotta always say, just because you get a
tumor, they go, they got it all.
And they go, No, they didn'tnever got it all.
You got you got all of the tumorthat you can see.
Yeah.
But there's cancer circulatingtumor cells everywhere.
So I love red light.

SPEAKER_06 (47:01):
That can lead you to say, like, I don't need or want
any of this.
So where it's like speeding upthe the blood supply and
everything to whatever it is,you know, skin subcutaneous
cells, sure.
Like it it's uh it's always abalance.

(47:22):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 (47:22):
So but are you kicking more immune cells to
kill the cancer too?

SPEAKER_03 (47:26):
Well, that's the thing.
I mean, you know, you've got abulk of a tumor, always take
that.
In my opinion, you take thatout.
Let the immune system have achance to help take that out.
Yeah.
I had a a physician, I've hadseveral physicians that have
come and said, I will never dosurgery.
They had their they found outthey had cancer, and I go, What
are you thinking?
Yeah.
Here, come on, let's do justsome basic common sense here.
Take out the bulk of the tumor.

(47:46):
Yeah.
And now let's do all the thingsthat we're talking about doing.
But no, angiogenesis, we've gotto be careful with that blood
supply.

unknown (47:53):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (47:55):
Yes.
I think once it's cut out, yougotta feed the rest of your
system as well as it's a goodthing.
Of course.
Well, that's that that's mythought process.

SPEAKER_10 (48:06):
Well, that's how metabolic we do.
Yeah, I think you do it withhyperbaric.
You do, hyperbaric and redlight.

SPEAKER_03 (48:11):
You do.
It's just even though it's cutout, feed you know, everything
in your body.

SPEAKER_09 (48:17):
Not not hyperbaric.

SPEAKER_03 (48:18):
Hyperbaric kills off your cancer cells.
It decreases tumor cells uhsize.
This changes the tumors.

SPEAKER_06 (48:24):
Like what you're arguing technically could feed
the hyperbaric oxygen.

SPEAKER_03 (48:30):
It's not hyperbaric.
It drives that oxygen right intothe cell.

SPEAKER_06 (48:34):
So But that cell can have a tumor in it.

SPEAKER_10 (48:37):
Yeah, but tumors don't survive on oxygen.
That's exactly right.
It's not necessarily tumors onoxygen.
It's very rare tumors.

SPEAKER_05 (48:45):
No, it doesn't.
You could feed the tumor withthe You know, it's all good
hypothesis, right?

SPEAKER_03 (48:50):
But I will say the science is as far as we know
right now with hyperbaric, wesee it as being protected.
Tumorgenic.
And yeah, I believe it too.

SPEAKER_06 (48:59):
I'm just I'm playing the devil's.
We should always do it.

SPEAKER_03 (49:04):
No, but it's brother, so I want to disagree
with that.
It helps with hemosensitivityand um and radiosensitivity.
Hyperbaric helps you use less ofthose things with a better
effect.
Yeah.
So when we start looking atthat, we go, okay, let's play
with conventional medicine.
Um, for cancer, you've got to beat 2.1 and above, right?

SPEAKER_05 (49:26):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (49:26):
You've got to be in a hard shell.
If you're doing aesthetic andyou're doing anti-aging, you can
be in the soft shell.

SPEAKER_10 (49:32):
It's got a hard, soft shell, though.
It goes to the city.
Can you get to 2.1?

SPEAKER_03 (49:36):
Yeah.
So 2.1 and above, 2.1, 2.4, itdepends on the size of the tumor
that we'll do.

SPEAKER_10 (49:41):
But like you said, you guys have two atmosphere.

SPEAKER_03 (49:44):
Most of yours are post-surgical.

SPEAKER_10 (49:45):
Most of ours are post-surgical.
We don't post surgical, right?
We're not treating their can'tbe.

SPEAKER_03 (49:49):
Right.
Right.
Yeah.
Which we're not allowed toeither, but but our science is
showing that it's happening.
Yeah.
We think it'll be an indicatedsoon with the amount of science.
But with what you guys aredoing, you don't need to be.

SPEAKER_10 (50:00):
As long as Donald Trump doesn't say it.
Keep it out of his mouth.
And Aceta.
And I voted for him, but I'llvote for him again.
Yeah?

SPEAKER_06 (50:13):
You know what?
We look at the alternative.
Yeah.
I know.
Melania Trump definitely ate ashit ton of Tylenol when she was
pregnant with Baron Trump.
Yeah.
According to what's beenreleased today.

SPEAKER_03 (50:26):
Oh my gosh, really?
I haven't seen the news today.
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (50:29):
Oh, Tylen.
That was the Tylenol thing.

SPEAKER_03 (50:31):
Well, I know that was about autism and autism.

SPEAKER_06 (50:34):
Today was the big announcement that Tylenol is
the.

SPEAKER_09 (50:38):
Well, no, we knew that, but like or did he say
something about Baron Trump isseems autistic as fuck.

SPEAKER_06 (50:49):
Smart as heck, though.
Yeah.
Supposedly.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (50:53):
Watch that kid and what he's been doing.
I'm pretty impressed.

SPEAKER_06 (50:56):
When you have the type of clout that he does,
yeah.
Where like where like somebodyelse's kid might not have that
type of clout.
Like I don't underestimate howsmart he is.
And I actually like think likewhat Donald Jr.
and Eric have done is actuallyvery, very smart.

(51:19):
I won't take that away fromthem.
But he's definitely on thespectrum.
And his dad comes out and says,This big finding says it's about
Tylenol, so Melania must betaking a shit ton of Tylenol.

SPEAKER_01 (51:36):
But that's a good hypothesis.

SPEAKER_06 (51:48):
About the Tylenol leading to autism.
I do think the reason you needto take Tylenol in pregnancy is
because of fevers and pain.
You've gone through some stuff,and that stuff might lead to the
autism with the birth.
Probably lack of oxygen.

(52:10):
I don't know.
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (52:11):
But you know the whole causation thing.
Yeah.
Right?
Just because somethingcorrelates doesn't mean it's
caused by now.
In time we're gonna know.
Time will have enough numbers invalue, numbers of people and
stuff to know.
Yes.

SPEAKER_06 (52:22):
How many pregnancies did you go through?
Just one.
So you did you take Tylenol ornot?

SPEAKER_03 (52:28):
I'm like, I've never, I don't think.

SPEAKER_10 (52:29):
I know I don't look I'm just trying to figure out
when you would actually takeTylenol.
Because as an adult, you fightthrough your fevers unless
you're in a couple of things.
Oh, it's a pregnancy.
Yeah.
I just think would you have tohave the same sort of taking
something?

SPEAKER_05 (52:48):
As a as a pain.

SPEAKER_01 (53:04):
Would have been the one thing for a possibility.

SPEAKER_10 (53:10):
I'm gathering my feces to cleanse all pregnant
females and you'll be good.

SPEAKER_05 (53:19):
It always comes together.

SPEAKER_06 (53:26):
It's true though.
There's a lot of correlativestuff that like people like
don't put pieces together.
And like it just came to metoday as like, because somebody
was like, this is the only drugthat's available for for people
that have fevers duringpregnancy.
I was like, why are they havingfevers?

SPEAKER_03 (53:45):
That's that would be the question.

SPEAKER_10 (53:47):
So if you're having an infection, that's like you
know, that's gonna that couldcause whatever, you know.

SPEAKER_03 (53:54):
And you know, and it also could create antibodies so
that the baby's immune systemlearns how to fight that thing
that the mom's fighting.
It's called a vaccine type.

SPEAKER_06 (54:01):
I yeah, they probably got a mom or the I was
gonna say they probably got avaccine, or the mom's fighting
the baby.
Like it's it's I don't know, itcan happen.

SPEAKER_03 (54:12):
What what happened yeah, years before?
I just I always say less ismore, right?
Less is more.
More is not more is not better.
I did I don't know one else.

SPEAKER_06 (54:21):
Did a few years of research at Harvard, uh an
immunology lab that wastransplant related, but it's
just like some of it doesn'tmake fucking sense.
And you have uh physicians andlike really top-notch physicians
like fighting staunchly becausethere's one or two papers and

(54:45):
being like okay, there's uhnothing on the other side.
I don't want to say they'rewrong, they might be right
because those two papers arereally strong, but like going on
the other side, you're just likedude, just just be a scientist.

SPEAKER_03 (55:02):
That's right.
You're supposed to questionyourself today.

SPEAKER_06 (55:06):
You're supposed to question yourself, your own
results.
Right you don't want to likelike make your results facts and
then make a story behind to fitthat that's right.
Yeah, like my my uh PI principalinvestigator in Boston, he very

(55:28):
close to getting like a NobelPrize, and like I was asking
him, I was like, like goingthrough a few different studies
because I had a few differentfindings, and he's like it
doesn't matter what you'researching, if you're what you're
searching for is strong enough,it doesn't matter how your

(55:49):
findings are.
Like if you're like even if it'sa negative finding, you're like,
I studied to show this, and thiswas a bunch of bullshit, and
like you're proven wrong, likethat's gonna be very informative
for a ton of people going downthe same research line.

(56:10):
If you like you gotta like thattells like 50% of the field to
be like, stop doing this, right?
Stop this and look here.

SPEAKER_03 (56:20):
That's right.
So but you know, name a study.
Can you guys name a study thatyou would say was 100% unbiased?

SPEAKER_06 (56:26):
Namaste study.

SPEAKER_03 (56:27):
No, no, no, yeah, yeah.
Not not not you can't help iteven because I've been a PI, I
have a research company.
And you you even though you'retrying to be unbiased, you want
to design this in an unbiasedway to look and see does this
work or does this not?
And what are the things that wewould normally test for to see
is it working or is it not?
But you can't help.

(56:47):
My bias got in there.

SPEAKER_06 (56:49):
Yeah, you can't help it.

SPEAKER_03 (56:51):
Like I have a of my experience.

SPEAKER_06 (56:54):
I have a few published papers and stuff, and
there there's biases in each ofthose papers.

SPEAKER_03 (57:02):
And all of them, that's what I mean.
You can't help it.

SPEAKER_06 (57:04):
You yeah, exactly.
You try, you're honest.

SPEAKER_03 (57:07):
You you're honest, you get but you there's no yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (57:11):
Somebody's somebody's gotta publish me or
give me money or something.
So it's it's the best route Icould take for for making this
paper the right way.

SPEAKER_03 (57:20):
Do you guys agree?
And Barry, you too.
I mean that the more you learnand the more you know, the more
you know that we don't have aclue.
Yeah.
We don't know.
The smarter.
I get the more information Ihave in my head of everything
that I know in all these areas,the more I realize we really
don't know a lot of this.

SPEAKER_10 (57:39):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (57:40):
That just means that you just don't know.

SPEAKER_06 (57:42):
Yeah, that just means you're looking and you're
open-minded.
You have to otherwise, like, ifyou're gonna be closed-minded,
you're gonna be like, I knoweverything.
There's a limited amount ofinformation, and I know most of
it.

SPEAKER_10 (57:55):
Yeah, it's always like question those.
And you see how muchinformation's out there.
That's right, that's right.
And that's why AI is AI isbringing a lot of that together.

SPEAKER_03 (58:05):
Yeah, we just lectured the United Nations
about AI.
Yeah.
And how we can use it.
And I I talked about medicineand women's health, and you did
intuition and and emotional andspiritual medicine.

SPEAKER_04 (58:16):
I was gonna say with music though, I mean there's
only you know, there's there's12 notes, and to see people,
right, yeah, who just continueto blow you away.
Like, how are they doing that?
Yeah, like especially like withthings online, and you're you're
seeing things that you wouldnever would have seen, some kid
in the middle of nowhere who'slike playing guitar like you've
never seen it played before.

(58:36):
Yeah, and I remember whenStanley Jordan came out and he
was doing the double-handedguitars and all that.
We thought it was amazing.
Now we're seeing so manydifferent things at the same
time as AI and and music ischanging there.
Yeah, there's still people arestill thriving for that
one-on-one, that liveperformances, and that's why
we're seeing so many concertsgrowing out because we're

(59:00):
spending so much time rightlearning about all these new
tools, yeah, yeah, that we needmore downtime and we need to
connect more with people.
Yeah, so you have two a lot ofgoing excitement going on, and
then people looking for new waysto de-stress and connect.
Yeah, so there's a lot morewe're learning, I think, about
humanity too, and even flowstates, right?

(59:21):
You were talking about flowstates, getting to flow states,
right?
We're learning a lot more of howyou can get there and the
importance of it, you know.
And it's not it's not morethinking, it's emptying the mind
out that gets you into thoseflow states and those peak
states.

SPEAKER_06 (59:37):
So, yeah, it's great to be learning all these new
things, but at the same time, Iwould say emptying your mind
out, but and not thinking, butit is actually thinking.
Right.
And it it is analyzing, it'sactive.
Yeah, it is an active processinternally in the mind.
So I don't clearing out the butthe more you get the mind out of

(59:58):
the process, to get inactive.
Yes.

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:01):
Yes.
Like anything else, you youknow, the more that you practice
something and exactly the moreyou have an experience with it.
And like even with thesoundbath, getting back to that,
you know, when you had that oneexperience, and I think you even
said it, then you wanted to dothat again.

SPEAKER_06 (01:00:15):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:15):
And you knew that you can get there doing it.
You have an experience and abasis for that.
It's easier to get to becauseyou something that was going on
even not doing, right?

SPEAKER_06 (01:00:26):
Even even surgical, or most people in like sports
and stuff, they think throughthe process of that situation.
Where like most of the stuffthat we do, people are like, oh
yeah, you're thinking like anartist, like, no, I'm kind of
fucking brain dead.
Like I'm doing what I'm saying,I wouldn't call it.

(01:00:46):
I wouldn't call it brain dead,but it's like I'm I'm doing what
I'm supposed to turn off theanalytical mind so that we can
be more creative.
Yeah.
Shut off certain parts andactivate other parts.
Yeah.
It's it's that meditative.

SPEAKER_10 (01:01:02):
We've seen it with sleep, meditation.

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:05):
Access that as well.
And he was a musician.
A lot of people don't know heplayed violin and piano.
In his memoirs that his his umkids wrote, they said they hear
him from the other room going,after he played violin, I got
it, I got it.
Right?
So accessing another part of thebrain where he wasn't having to
think, but he still was doingsomething.
Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_06 (01:01:26):
So so, like in surgery, obviously, we're not
like overreacting or anything,but um just knowing your next
move.
You know, you know what to dowhen you know, yeah, mental
rehearsal, yeah.
Mental rehearsal is liketop-notch athletes do it all the
time.
Absolutely.
Like I listen to they know thenext move.

(01:01:48):
I listen to Wayne Rooney, uh,soccer player, which I don't
listen to athletes because ofthis, but it's just like he's
going over like, oh, the crossis coming in this way, and I'm
like, am I gonna bicycle kickit?
Am I gonna bring it down mychest and then kick it?
And I hate to think of myself asan athlete or whatever, but like

(01:02:13):
that is kind of the same thoughtprocess.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:15):
Yeah, tell me who you work with.
Tell them who you utilizes yourmusic and why.
This is interesting.
Tell them who you're workingwith.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:23):
Who am I working with now?

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:24):
Deepaccio Brian.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:26):
Oh, Dave, um, I've done music with Dave Asprey and
and 40 Years of Zen and providedtones for that.
Dr.
Joe Dispenza, I've done uh a lotof music for for meditation.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:36):
These are the leaders in the field of what
we're talking about.
Daniel Eyman, Daniel Eyman aswell.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 (01:02:42):
I liked his books before this new book, 40 years
of Zen.
Horrible.
I can listen through it.
Heavily meditated.
I think I do want to go to his40 years of Zen, but it seems
like he's pitching it for the 40years of Zen.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:56):
Well, 40 years of Zen has been around for a while.

SPEAKER_10 (01:02:59):
Did you guys do it?

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:00):
I've did uh a home version of it.
I was bigger testing it.
Because they used some of hisdeal of uh devices.

SPEAKER_10 (01:03:09):
Because my wife wants to do something to like
just quite a bit.

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:12):
I think it's pretty deep emotionally.
It's not just like you know,biohacking with brain things.
A lot of it is about letting goof trauma and yeah, it's all
just like written now, just likereading through his.

SPEAKER_10 (01:03:24):
It just seems like he's trying to sell a lot of
stuff in that book, and hebrings up 40 years of Zen, which
is his thing, and upgrade labs.
Yeah, it's just like repetition,repetition.
I'm like, come on.

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:35):
But I think it is I would say one, I think it's a
it's a good direction forbiohackers to be thinking about
too, that there are things thatthey can do inside of them as
well that they can access withyou know without having to, or
adding it to, right?
Well, let's try something that'snon-invasive completely, right?
And that you can access, yeah,you know, utilizing a practice,

(01:03:56):
utilizing your mind, and gettinginto a practice of managing yeah
your stress more effectively.
And I think that's a a directionthat um needs to be looked at,
and I think that's why it'sgoing to be a good thing.

SPEAKER_10 (01:04:06):
And what people don't see is like with
meditation and sleep andclearing out your brain of the
bad stuff, yeah.
It's like, you know, even andI've said it before, like
answering to my wife, you know,like when I don't meditate or
get that sleep, you're likeyou're short fuse, and you
answer wrong.
But like when you do themeditation, you get the proper

(01:04:27):
sleep, clear out the head.
You're like, she says something,you take a few seconds to just
make it make sense to you, andlike you you like answer almost
immediately, and it makes sense,and it it like makes them feel
like you're there.
Where like present when youdon't have that clear mind and
you're not you're not expressingyourself the way you should.

SPEAKER_06 (01:04:51):
I think one of the worst things is in an argument
with your wife, if you're wrong,the only thing Which is always
but go to the right.
The only thing worse than thatis if your wife is wrong.
Yeah, that's right.
That's all right.

SPEAKER_04 (01:05:08):
You have a wife who's wrong.
Wait, yeah, I don't think I'mnot sure.
Yeah, yeah.
If she's wrong, and I think youare right.
You're right about um that withmeditation and for me it's
creative.
Like if I don't get behind akeyboard every day and I'm not

(01:05:29):
creative, then I'm a lot uh moreyou know, able to have a
knee-jerk reaction to somethingthat she would say to me or
someone else.
But if I give myself that timeto do that, I find that I can
manage my energy moreeffectively, and ultimately
that's what it is.
I mean, it's it's energeticmanagement.
You don't want to be spendingyour energy, you know, and

(01:05:51):
getting into a fight for noreason.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 (01:05:53):
And I find like I I find I get a lot more moody too.
If I don't work out, I do likequick like resistance band
workouts, and like I'm like, Ijust need to do that.
I'm like, I'm like, I haven'tdone it for three days.

SPEAKER_06 (01:06:06):
I I need to get on there because like as a
musician, I just uh curiousthing.
Have you ever played shittymusic on purpose?

SPEAKER_04 (01:06:19):
Uh not on purpose, but I mean uh I have, I mean, I
went to a stage I went to astage of songwriting, and like I
thought I could write in anygenre, right?
Yeah, and I remember literallythinking I wrote the best
country song that was everwritten.
And to this day, my friends areteased will still tease me about

(01:06:39):
that one song.
Yeah, it was called Champagneand Roses.
It was really it was really bad.
Was it?
Yeah, it was really bad.
And I wrote a a couple punk rocksongs that I thought were great.

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:49):
You know, but but I don't know you've said this yet.
I mean, I'll say it for himbecause he doesn't do it enough.
He won a Grammy for producingLes Paul, the inventor of the
electric guitar.
Nice, but um for best rockinstrumental, yeah, and but now
he's known for this healingmusic, music and the medicine
your book and all the studiesbehind it, limbic deactivation,
all the science behind music andmedicine.

SPEAKER_04 (01:07:11):
I mean, I think everyone here is probably in the
same same area where you have topractice a certain amount and
make mistakes, right?
To get to that level where youcan go on autopilot, where you
can mentally rehearse.
Yeah, think about like um Curryor Jordan, right?
They would say they they wentthrough mental rehearsal every

(01:07:32):
shot.
Curry would shoot how many shotsto get to that place of mastery
where they cannot think aboutit.

SPEAKER_08 (01:07:38):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:07:38):
So you have to make those mistakes to know what you
don't want to do, yeah, right,and also to become more
expertise out in your lane.
Yeah, and that's how to find mylane.

SPEAKER_06 (01:07:51):
And that adds onto it layer by layer with your
experience.
That's it.

SPEAKER_04 (01:07:55):
And you gotta say, okay, well, I guess country's
not my lane, punk's not my lane.
I didn't definitely didn't thinklike you know, music for sleep
was going to be my lane.
Yeah, yeah.
And I think that's the otherpart.
Meditation, you know, sometimesyou have to pivot and you
diversify into other areas umthat suddenly, you know, change
when when you're you change yourwhole life.

(01:08:17):
You know, there's a fork in theroad.
Yeah, and you said, Oh man,okay, I think I am, I think I'm
gonna go this way.
And that was like right afterthe Grammy.

SPEAKER_06 (01:08:24):
You're just like, I'm I'm really good at this.
I'm really good at this, andthis is helping a ton of people
out.
Is like I I gotta like go fullass into the stuff.

SPEAKER_10 (01:08:34):
That's how I got into like the whole anti-aging
thing, too.
Like, I I I was a fat mess.
Like, after we had our firstkid, I ate all the crap my wife
ate, like when she wanted toorder out, so I gained a ton of
weight, and like you know, butlike when it I got timed down,
I'd just be on my phone, likereading different articles about

(01:08:57):
health and wellness and stuff.
And I'd always been interested,I've always been in the health
and wellness industry, but likeall of a sudden, like you know,
with peptides and everything, Iwas like, all right, let's try
this and this, and startedtrying stuff at home myself.
And I was like, Oh, this feelsgreat.
And then, like, you know, Istarted talking to my nurse
practitioner about it.
She she like it got her fired upright away, and then like me and

(01:09:21):
her would have conversations,and like really we both like
started to master it, and likewe're like, we got to take this
to our patients now, you know,and it it's helped so many
patients.
It's like you just it just trieddifferent things because you
know, surgery like I I didthousands of surgeries, like the

(01:09:42):
first five years.
I like I don't think I reallytook time off, and I was
operating like crazy.
So you you kind of burn yourselfout, but like the this brought
like new joy and love intomedicine.
Um and you know, this and thenpicked up more on the aesthetic
stuff and like where I'm able tohelp out people because one of

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the main things was like doingyou know, patients would come in
and like I see all these peoplelike doing surgeries on patients
with BMIs like 40, 50, and Ididn't even get that high.
And but I was like, all right,am I doing these people any
good?
I'm making fat a little lessfat, and it just does not feel

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right to me, you know.
Like we gotta help them out inother ways before.

SPEAKER_06 (01:10:29):
Like be like, okay, I shouldn't have done that.

SPEAKER_03 (01:10:32):
Yeah, but you were trying in the moment, you're
thinking I'm helping, and thenyou're gonna be able to do that.
This is the best option.
That's right, and then you lookand say, Okay, let me get to the
root cause, but that takes time.
Yeah, it takes time to get tothat root cause.

SPEAKER_04 (01:10:45):
I mean, that's what I I'm always like hearing people
say from the other room, notjust patients, but everyone that
you work with.
You ask, oh no one's ever askedme that question before.
That's a great question.
And I think that's what uhdrives you as well, is just you
ask great questions and thathelps to get people get to the
other.

SPEAKER_10 (01:11:04):
Yeah, it's it's it's seriously with like yeah, what
she does.
It's like it's incredible.
It's it is seriously like takingthat extra few minutes that
we're we're not just trying toplug holes.
Right.
You know, we're we're physicianshere to fix you as a whole
instead of just plug holes.
And that's that's what you don'tget in medicine these days.

(01:11:27):
You you want insurance to coveryour stuff.
You're gonna go in there andthey're gonna patch this up, so
it leads to the next thing, soit leads to the next thing.
They're writing you fourdifferent medications uh for the
same thing, which they couldhave resolved the first the
first day.

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:45):
So it's not a cure, no, not a cure, it's symptom
management and you know, hopingthe body will get better once
you can come in, play keyboardfor them.

SPEAKER_05 (01:11:54):
Yeah, that's the I don't do house calls.
He doesn't do house calls in.
It's like I know you don't likeyour results, I got a guy.
Wish it was that easy, Doug.
I I wish it was that easy.
That would be so great.

SPEAKER_10 (01:12:10):
But the other interesting thing I found uh
like you do a course at ASU, ordo you still do the course?
I did.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:16):
I so for 18 years I developed it.
I wrote it and developed it, andI stopped during um the pandemic
because certain mandates, and Isaid, I have a voice of my own.
And so for 18 years, and it wasum ancient healings for uh
modern times, and it had to be amaster's level, so it was mostly
doctors and nurses or socialwork, people that wanted to know

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more about homeopathy,naturopathy, Aervedic medicine.
What are all these things?

SPEAKER_06 (01:12:41):
You'll hear about Aerovetic medicine.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:43):
Aervedic is older than traditional Chinese
medicine.
Yeah, so it's a way you look atyour dosha, kind of like your
constitution, and it's just theway you should eat, the types of
foods, all those things.
It's like Chinese medicine, butit was actually older and
predated.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:59):
And there's still a lot of it, it's interesting.

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:01):
A lot of that's what Deepak Chopra's.
Um I went to his training inAerovedic many years ago,
Aerobetic medicine, and still Ithink they still do that.
I'm not sure.
But it's just an ancient way oflooking at the body
holistically, as we started thisconversation, right?
Holistically, you look at thewhole body, your personality,
how you were born, all thosethings.

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And there are things that we,you know, that you look at and
you go, okay, I can see thatyou're this dosha.

SPEAKER_10 (01:13:27):
Which is ha have you thought about doing that as like
uh you know, like a as an onlinelearning class at all?

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:36):
Uh they wanted me to, so here's what I'm doing.
I've got a podcast about to popwith uh with uh Les Brown.
You know who Les Brown is,right?
Motivational Les and I becausehe's my patient and he has
cancer.
Well, actually, no evidence now.

SPEAKER_07 (01:13:51):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:52):
But um because he was we were getting he would in
the middle of the night betexting me from Atlanta going,
here's an influencer, they justsaid this.
What about this for my cancer?
I'd say, no, no, not yet.
We don't know enough.
So that and I have a televisionshow, it's a debate format
between conventional andalternative.
We've never done it in medicine,we do it in politics all day
long.

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We have never heard both sidestogether.

SPEAKER_10 (01:14:14):
The conventional is gonna get crushed.

SPEAKER_03 (01:14:16):
Well, that's the problem.
That's why it couldn't be on atypical station, kind of kind of
and not, but so when we did thepilot at PBS, I had two uh
board-certified cardiologists,right?
Traditionally, yeah.
One was Stephen Sinatra, I don'tknow if you guys knew who that
was, but in the holistic worldFrank's brother.

SPEAKER_05 (01:14:35):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:14:36):
Yeah, yeah.
He showed up, long hair, youknow, like a tie-dyed shirt, and
then on the other side, Dr.
Thames, both board certified,and he's in a bow tie, his pants
are too short, and he's showinghis white socks.
You know, I couldn't havedressed them more perfectly.
So it was like, so at thebeginning, very nice as we do as
physicians, let's talk.

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And then by the end, one wassaying, You sound like the
tobacco industry 20 years ago,and the other one's going in
your story's pie in the skybecause you're gonna have
science behind it.
So it and my job was to bring itback into the middle, moderate,
but also hold both to theirstrengths and weaknesses.
One was saying, go do cokin andco q10, and I said, That's
great, but what about thequality?

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Are you talking about that?
Yeah, what are they putting intheir body?
So, my job, because I'm licensedin both, was to be able to do
that.
So that's so to answer yourquestion, I got bigger things
along that, but it's a nicecourse because people want to
learn about those ancienttraditions.

SPEAKER_10 (01:15:33):
I think it's yeah, I think a lot of them circle back,
and we've talked about itbecause we're we're Persian and
like a lot of the old Persian,like the like our parents eat
pomegranate, that's right,marberies, bourberines,
berberine, yeah, which is allgum and map.
Cherry juice.

SPEAKER_05 (01:15:51):
That's right, that's right.
All that's the best exercise.
Mama's like, wherever you gotjumping jacks like you do
jumping.

SPEAKER_03 (01:16:01):
Yes.
But mom's chicken soup.
Now we know why.
Oh, yeah.
It's the trip to fan.
Now we know why those things,but they knew over centuries, of
course, they know what wasworking.

SPEAKER_07 (01:16:09):
Yes, work.

SPEAKER_03 (01:16:10):
That was part of my UN talk.

SPEAKER_07 (01:16:11):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:16:12):
It was like, let's, these botanicals, you know, 80%
of our meds have come frombotanicals.

SPEAKER_07 (01:16:16):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:16:17):
We've only identified at most 30% of what
the world has to in medicinesfor us.
Yeah.
We haven't even begun to look atthose plant medicines.
So all those ancient healingtraditions, we have a lot.
And I say, let's go to some ofthose countries and say, what
are you still using?
Okay, this is what you use forthis.
Let's study it.
Let's have a business for themto help their local people and

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do, you know, I mean, somebodyneeds to do that.

SPEAKER_06 (01:16:41):
So anytime I get like a slight congestion or
cough, I just go eat whatevergrass and plants are in my
backyard.
Cures everything.

SPEAKER_00 (01:16:54):
I don't want to ask what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_01 (01:16:58):
Yeah, did they just round up on it?

SPEAKER_10 (01:17:00):
Yes, he makes sure it's a golf course.

SPEAKER_03 (01:17:04):
One of the most toxic places on the planet.
It's of course my dad's a lot ofpeople.

SPEAKER_06 (01:17:07):
Like, knock on the wood, I have just not gotten
that sick.
Yeah.
I got sick like once in the lastsix years.
Yeah.
Where like I got the flu and Iwas like, uh I can't do shit for
like three days.
But that was that's a goodimmune system.

SPEAKER_03 (01:17:23):
You're kicking it within three days.
You studied immunology.

SPEAKER_10 (01:17:26):
He doesn't travel a lot either.
He's got to travel acrosscountry a few times.

SPEAKER_06 (01:17:30):
I'm the dirtiest motherfucker that to live.
If you got the microbiome,shower less, yeah, use less
soap, like eat dirt, like justdo the nasty.
The whole microbiome thing.
There's truth in that.
Tells you not to do go for it.

SPEAKER_03 (01:17:46):
That's right.
You know the hygiene theory withkids.

SPEAKER_07 (01:17:48):
Yeah.
Right?

SPEAKER_03 (01:17:49):
If you let them, you they drop the pacifier, you're
not supposed to go sterilize it.
You're supposed to have themintroduced microbiome.
They are healthier.
Yeah.
But we kept them too sterile andclean.

SPEAKER_10 (01:18:01):
I think we could use that.

SPEAKER_03 (01:18:02):
No, that doesn't count.
You still have to do the dishes.

SPEAKER_05 (01:18:06):
They say reusing dishes with crusty lasagna.
That's bacteria growth.
We gotta just say that's alittle bit more.
No, you can still do that.
That still goes along the linesof what you're arguing.

SPEAKER_01 (01:18:19):
Well, if you're gonna do that, let's see.

SPEAKER_10 (01:18:20):
That might be carcinogenic because it's burnt.

SPEAKER_01 (01:18:23):
Well, there you go.

SPEAKER_05 (01:18:23):
You have to look at what is don't overcook food that
you don't properly.

SPEAKER_03 (01:18:28):
When you have histamine, people have histamine
responses from lift over you.
It's individual, we're backagain.

SPEAKER_06 (01:18:33):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:18:33):
Maybe your body's used to the bugs.

SPEAKER_06 (01:18:36):
That's the thing, like arguing like throughout
COVID, and like again, did a tonof research in in an immunology
lab uh prior to residency, andit's like there's a balance.
Like your immune system as ahuman being is reliant more on

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memory than it is on how itfires off.
So like when you're young, yourthymus is big, you can have a
big response to like a biginfection, and gradually over
your over time, like when whenyou're like 28 years old, your
thymus is non-existent, even onimaging.

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But what shifts in your bodyfrom like these like not just
natural killer cells, but likeyour innate immunity to attack
these shifts more towards memorycells, like key memory cells,
all these memory cells, so yourbody builds an immune response.

(01:19:44):
So like you're not teaching yoursystem to develop that, that's a
big like decline in like whatyou can fight off when you get
older.
So when you get older, the wayto think of it is your immune
system needs to be moreefficient.

(01:20:06):
It's not as it's not robustly asefficient.
Yeah, it just needs to adaptmore to it.
So yeah.
I don't know.
I don't know where you're goingwith that.

SPEAKER_03 (01:20:19):
No, but but it's it it's that's true.
And then we talk about themicrobiome.

SPEAKER_06 (01:20:23):
I heard you guys say energy to have the same response
to an infection.

SPEAKER_03 (01:20:28):
Well, we're about to mitochondria too, ATP.

SPEAKER_06 (01:20:31):
You need your innate system to be able to respond to
that system.

SPEAKER_03 (01:20:35):
And what helps hyperbaric oxygen?
Yeah, that's yeah, those things.

SPEAKER_10 (01:20:39):
NAD with your hyperbaric oxygen.
That's I'm not I'm not 100% onNAD yet.

SPEAKER_06 (01:20:44):
Yeah, I'm like from the cancer standpoint.
I like NAD just because it makesme feel better.

SPEAKER_03 (01:20:50):
Sure it does, but so could cocaine and some other
thing.
I'm just I'm not but all I'msaying is cocaine too.
So yeah, you might not want to.
I didn't do no, I've never triedanything.
I'm like the person here thatmaybe is the one that's never
tried.

SPEAKER_04 (01:21:03):
We might as well have a uh beer to wash it down.

SPEAKER_03 (01:21:07):
There's a little signal that we're a little
concerned.

SPEAKER_04 (01:21:09):
Yeah, I'm kidding.

SPEAKER_03 (01:21:11):
Because you know, if you read you know Sinclair's
book, I said, did anybody readthe last chapter that we don't
know enough yet to be carefulwith cancer?
That's all I would say.
Um we would never, and so I wastrying to get a C of A and get
the the things that I make.
Yeah, all my companies do that Iutilize to give me the the
testing.
And it was the biggest, andwell, I'll just say in one

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company, I said, give me thisanalysis, and they go, No.
And I said, What do you tellpeople who have cancer?
Oh no, it can can never be.
So I'll tell you one thing.

SPEAKER_06 (01:21:41):
Whatever you fuel your body with can fuel a cancer
cell.

SPEAKER_03 (01:21:44):
Of course.
Well, sugar is the number one,one of the main things.
And that stress does that too.

SPEAKER_06 (01:21:50):
Yeah, but the there's like pretty much
everything you consume thatgives you energy will in one
like pathway or another, fuelcancer cells.
So you can argue that point tonot.

SPEAKER_03 (01:22:07):
I don't I would counter, I would counteract
that.

SPEAKER_06 (01:22:09):
I would it's like it's it's gotta be like what no,
it's there's cells.
Cancer cells are cells, right?

SPEAKER_10 (01:22:16):
Your body is cells, but but there's there's certain
energy stuff that's gonna bemore anti-cancer.

SPEAKER_03 (01:22:22):
Cancer can only use glucose, it can't use ketones.
Yeah, normal cells can and helpfight.
So there's different fuels forthe different types, right?
Do you agree with that?
That cancer uses differentfuels.
So read Dr.
Tom Seafried.
I want you to start following, Iwant you to say C Fried.
Kind of, kind of.
Okay.

SPEAKER_06 (01:22:40):
But like there's a lot of arguments for like what
you can again, what what whatfuels cells is also gonna be the
same thing that fuels cancercells.
I would maybe I'm just saying,like, even stem cells, like
wrote a couple of chapters onthis mesochinal stem cells,

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right?
It's great use cases, but if youcan't make sure they go along a
certain line.
100% agree with you there.
100% agree.
We gotta be careful with that.
The fuel fuel, I don't thinkwe're anywhere close to figuring
out the fuel.
There's certain things thatdefinitely aggravate and lead

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one way or another.
Like if you're hyper-estrogen,like a lot of fats, and your
body's turning a lot of thosefats to estrogen, and that's
constantly like berating yourcells.
But there's there it's it's notit's not very discreet.

SPEAKER_03 (01:23:46):
So I want you guys to get Dr.
Tom Seafried.
I'll ask him to do a podcastwith you at a Boston College.
He's written the book,Mitochondrial Health for You
know, Cancer, the MitochondrialDisease of uh the Krebs.
So we know there's two pathwaysthat feed cancer only to only
two.
So I want you to, we won't spendtoo much time on this, but right

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now we think we're pretty clearon that.
That's why stress and glucoseneed to be reduced in cancer
patients, because that's thefuel.
When it doesn't have that andonly has ketones, cancer cannot
use ketones as fuel.
But your brain can, which itloves it, body does.
That's why we put them in aketogenic diet.
So it would be a fascinatingconversation.

SPEAKER_06 (01:24:25):
I'd love it because I actually disagree with that.
I I personally think it's it'suh you give it fuel, it's but if
it doesn't know how to processit.

SPEAKER_03 (01:24:37):
That's it, it can't utilize it.
So it's it's a phosphorylity.

SPEAKER_10 (01:24:40):
That's all that's that's a whole problem with the
NAD itself, right?
That's right.
Because, like, no, and we'recoming out up with NMN night.
The idea is that the cell, youcan take it whatever way you
want, but it's not going to beso we have done quite a bit,
Dominic Dagostino and Dr.

SPEAKER_03 (01:24:58):
Tom Seafried, and then we've got our international
group from Cambridge toeverybody.
The science that's coming out,it's fascinating.
I think it's worth another look.
Oh, yeah, I'd love to hear theconversation.
I'd love to hear theconversation.
But I I I would say that I'm onthe so far in what I've seen
with the cancer patients that Iwork with worldwide, is that

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when we're utilizing thesetherapies that block those two
pathways, that's when theoncologists are going, okay,
whatever you guys are doing,this is great.
Yeah, this is good.
So, yeah, uh it'd be anotherconversation, right?
Definitely definitely.
It'd be fun.
That's what we're supposed todo.
Yeah, yeah.
In medicine and in science.

SPEAKER_05 (01:25:38):
That's why we do this podcast as well.
I know.

SPEAKER_06 (01:25:40):
We have a bunch of stuff that watch, just watch his
YouTube.

SPEAKER_03 (01:25:44):
You look in Tom Seafried, and I think you'll
find it fascinating.
He's got some good hard science.
Good hard science on this.

SPEAKER_01 (01:25:50):
Cool.

SPEAKER_03 (01:25:50):
And then the other thing that we you need to do a
podcast on is the differencebetween male and female brains,
convergent and divergentthinking, and how there's
different parts of the brain.
Yeah, that's my point.

SPEAKER_04 (01:26:00):
I can't even understand what she's saying
right now.
We'd probably be lost.

SPEAKER_03 (01:26:04):
That's that's because you guys can only use
one side of your brain at once.

SPEAKER_10 (01:26:10):
I'm trying to tap in both sides.

SPEAKER_03 (01:26:11):
Women are never can turn it off.
It's always tapping in bothsides.
You guys can only do one atonce.
And that's good.
It's all good and bad, you know,in different ways.
But it's fascinating.

SPEAKER_04 (01:26:22):
But music uses both sides of the brain.
Yeah, but not at once.

SPEAKER_03 (01:26:24):
And female.
No, not the ones.
Not at once.
Not at once.

SPEAKER_05 (01:26:28):
You guys never cross the floor and I'm busy using
this side of the brain.

SPEAKER_06 (01:26:34):
Vacuuming is on the other side of the brain.

SPEAKER_05 (01:26:36):
So I'm gonna have to ask you to vacuum because you're
so like multifactory.

SPEAKER_04 (01:26:42):
You're really gonna ruin it from me.
You told her you vacuumed.

SPEAKER_05 (01:26:45):
Yeah, no, not in neutral.
I'm saying I don't.

SPEAKER_03 (01:26:48):
You can see it in neutral.
You can tell if it's a male orfemale fetus by the brain.
By the brain.

SPEAKER_05 (01:26:53):
By the brain.
By the brain.

SPEAKER_03 (01:26:54):
By the brain structures.
We have a larger, more active,intuitive.
No, yeah.
No.
Well, men can never vacuum.

SPEAKER_10 (01:27:01):
No.

unknown (01:27:01):
I know.

SPEAKER_10 (01:27:03):
Well, I don't want to.
I don't know.
You don't want it.

SPEAKER_03 (01:27:06):
Because you don't want it to be good.
Yeah, that's right.

SPEAKER_10 (01:27:08):
If it's good, though you can ask the next time.
Just be a little dirty.
You know what?

SPEAKER_06 (01:27:15):
I can afford a roomba.

SPEAKER_01 (01:27:18):
You know, like it just does get in the corner.

SPEAKER_06 (01:27:21):
Roomba fucking sucks, but it does an okay job.
And it definitely does a way tojump in the way we put them all
out over the.

SPEAKER_03 (01:27:32):
But just saying a female might be able to turn on
the roomba and take care of thisand this and this and this and
do 10 things at once.
Oh, the female will be a few.
It's just our brains are madedifferently.
It's not one's better.
You know, I say we we teach thatin corporate, is that you know,
you've got a team, you've gotmale and females.
And it used to be that everybodywould say we've got to have a

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quota, we need more females atthe C level.
So they hired them in, and theneverybody started quitting, and
they said, Oh, it's work-lifebalance.

SPEAKER_06 (01:28:00):
I'd like to argue against you, but he's giving me
that look.
Oh, yeah, okay, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:28:05):
But it's another show until you're not going to
be able to do it.

SPEAKER_06 (01:28:08):
Even if you're right, you're fucking me over,
man.
Prove to her I could do any morethan that.
Yeah.
I can't vacuum it off.

SPEAKER_05 (01:28:20):
I can't.

SPEAKER_03 (01:28:23):
I don't want to be in the middle of the
composition.
I can't be.
Oh, that's why we have somebodyclean.
So that's why we have somebody.

SPEAKER_06 (01:28:30):
But we need to clean this to do a little bit cleaner.

SPEAKER_01 (01:28:32):
Well, that's a little bit.
We have to clean, and I've saidyou have to pick up and
straighten up so they can.
That was a whole new thing.

SPEAKER_05 (01:28:44):
I know.

SPEAKER_10 (01:28:48):
I'm like, she's like, they're gonna think we're
dirty.
I'm like, who the who the fuckcares?

SPEAKER_01 (01:28:52):
It's not up or they can't clean.
These are the downsides.

SPEAKER_10 (01:28:58):
Your house is different.

SPEAKER_06 (01:28:59):
But when you're at a hotel and my wife's like trying
to tidy up the place, I'm like,that I don't know, but these are
the downsides of having bothsides of your brain firing at
the same time.
Yeah.
You're battling against eachother.
It doesn't make sense.
No, it didn't make it.
The cleaning to clean, thecleaner's coming.
Like, no, you don't.

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The cleaner is coming to clean.

SPEAKER_03 (01:29:23):
It's convergent divergent.
The best example I've got.
If there's a, if there's a ifthere's a bear about to come in
here and attack us.

SPEAKER_05 (01:29:31):
Yeah, I want to make sure my kitchen is fucking.
Yeah, well, a female would besaying murdered by a grizzly
bear and the dirty dishes in myskin.
You got it.
That's convergent.

SPEAKER_03 (01:29:45):
A woman, if that bear gets killed, do they have
what would have happened in theroom?
Do they have babies?
Women always think about theconsequences of every decision.
Men go boom.
And it's that way in corporate,too.
You've got to make a decision.

SPEAKER_04 (01:30:00):
Sometimes and creative too.
Like I could have I can micro mystudio can have things all over
the place, right?
In order for her to be creative,the house has to be clean,
everything's gotta be in theright place.
I can have cartons of Chinesefood all around me and still be
able to create him.
I'm in a zone, and she can't geta zone unless things so we all

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have our different uh that'strue, but male and female brings
up different things.

SPEAKER_10 (01:30:27):
That's totally male-female, because my my
wife's like, I gotta have thespotless.
Like I'm like, well, just doyour work.
This is gonna take more time.

SPEAKER_05 (01:30:35):
I can't focus on my work.

SPEAKER_10 (01:30:37):
Right, exactly.
I don't have enough time forthis, but I'm gonna go clean the
whole house.
Clean enough.

SPEAKER_05 (01:30:42):
It's what you have to do.
I can't focus on this.

SPEAKER_06 (01:30:44):
I was like, what else can I do?
Let me let me polish your iPad.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (01:30:52):
Whatever good answer.
Yeah.
That's a good answer.

SPEAKER_03 (01:30:55):
Whatever it's.
That's right, that's right.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 (01:30:58):
So outside this, I was gonna ask you a question.
So my outside of that.
So you you know a lot aboutlasers, red light.
So what's a good one?
Because like my shoulder fromall the liposuction, it is like,
you know, and I I used to doheavy body.
He always is on the right side.

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I used to do heavy, heavyweightlifting with uh
competition bench pressing,which totally ruined my
shoulders.
Yeah, of course.

SPEAKER_03 (01:31:28):
I used to compete in powerlifting medicine.
Yeah, I didn't mean to, it wasjust they saw what I was doing
at the gym, they said you'rebreaking a world record, and I
said, Yeah, I was like, so Iwanted to power lifter at all,
but it was anyway.
So there are some good companiesthat are very, very expensive.
Yeah, and I used to do studiesfor some and all that, so I
hesitate to name, but what Iwould say a red light laser, not

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LED.
Red light laser, yeah, butthey're I think they're too much
money for what they are.
As long as you get a 635nanometer, you don't need the
880, you don't need the higherlevels, that's not as good in
the studies out of Russia.
So a 635 nanometer good redlight laser that has a good
warranty, that's it.

SPEAKER_08 (01:32:08):
Okay.

SPEAKER_10 (01:32:08):
So yeah, because I looked at that Kinion or
whatever it is, it keeps oncoming up, and I was like, I
don't know, I haven't lookedinto them into them.
And then there was like I wasgonna use hyper ice, the heat
and compression.
But I was like, I don't knowthat that's gonna do much for
what you're talking about.
It's like it's not gonna domuch.

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Yeah, yeah.
And I'm not sure lazy.

SPEAKER_03 (01:32:31):
I mean, so you don't have any you don't have any
tears, you don't need surgery atall.
Is it what's going on?
I would stay away from sure.
More degenerate, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:32:38):
More degeneration.

SPEAKER_08 (01:32:40):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:32:41):
So hyaluronic growth growth hormone injection into
that is pretty, prettysignificant.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 (01:32:49):
But yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:32:51):
PT might help, yeah.

SPEAKER_10 (01:32:53):
Well, it's not that it's it's just it it gets really
sore at night.
The range of motion is range ofmotion is that's just
inflammation.
It's just inflammation.
That's that's what I'm justtrying to do.
It's just inflammation.

SPEAKER_03 (01:33:04):
So then the red light would help you with that.

SPEAKER_10 (01:33:06):
But you say red light laser over control.

SPEAKER_03 (01:33:09):
Yeah, lasers, uh yeah, LED's a baby version of
laser.
Okay, you want better effect,it's a cold laser, it's a
low-level laser, it's actuallaser.

SPEAKER_10 (01:33:18):
Yeah, a chiropractor friend of mine actually gave me
one and then took it back.
He had cold laser.
He was like, Oh, this is uh FDAapproved to do carpal tunnel
without one of the ones.

SPEAKER_03 (01:33:30):
So the company that's done all the studies
everybody knocks off is the onethat I was working with.
So and they're good, but youdon't have to pay that kind of
money.
Yeah, so okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (01:33:39):
How about trial physical therapy?

SPEAKER_03 (01:33:42):
If it's wear and tear though, and they're just
doing it, can it's not like it'sOscar's right, is it gonna make
it work?
That's what I'm asking.

SPEAKER_10 (01:33:49):
Well, his wife's a physical therapist, he thinks I
can make time for it, which Idon't have.

SPEAKER_06 (01:33:53):
It's not about making time for it, but like if
you negate like what your bodyneeds and you want to just
consume something or shine alight on it, yeah, you're fucked
up.

SPEAKER_03 (01:34:03):
It could help, but I would also what you're saying
too, uh prolo therapy and yourPRP with an expert injector that
knows in that ligamentattachment, yeah, right there at
that spot.
That might be, I don't knowwhat's going on.

SPEAKER_06 (01:34:15):
Stretching and exercising.
Well, that all of it be even.
I do the stretch and exercise.
Or even improvement PRP,exosomes, all those things too.

SPEAKER_03 (01:34:25):
Exosomes are I will tell you what, um, we were
doing, we were teaching prolotherapy, and then we started
PRP.
I think I was the first one inArizona doing PRP.
And I just didn't see any betterresults than just doing prolo.
If you get the right injection,the right needle in the right
spot, it's prolo therapy, it'sjust dextrose.
Yeah, and it's about where theneedle is, where it's placed,

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and creating that inflammationin that insertion.
I found it was still better.
In fact, a lot of us did.
Those of us that had been doinga bunch of it, it's just sense
of it.

SPEAKER_10 (01:34:56):
It's gotten better.
I've been injecting PPC into it.
Okay.
Like it's gotten better, butit's more about where the needle
is, I think, than what you'reputting in there.

SPEAKER_03 (01:35:04):
I do.
To your point is somewhat PT andmechanical things.

SPEAKER_06 (01:35:09):
Like it's just if you're not gonna make I
personally personally peep downeven with all the holistic
aspect, the best thing is PT.
If you're not gonna make it timefor PT, then you have to look
towards other aspects.
If you're not gonna likeactually treat the root cause

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problem and treatment, but Idon't have to go somewhere to do
PT.

SPEAKER_10 (01:35:33):
I can do it at home.

SPEAKER_03 (01:35:34):
Yeah, you got a PT to put you on a program, and
then if you just do it, right?
But sometimes it depends on howmuch degenerate degeneration, a
good PT is worth your weight andgold.
I'll say that.
A bad one or a person that's notgonna do it right, or not gonna
do it, it's not gonna doanything.
So I don't know if I like todeal with it.

SPEAKER_10 (01:35:54):
It's just making the time for it, and I don't have
time for it.
Yeah.