February 5, 2025 • 42 mins
Can love really be the currency that transforms our world? Join us as Aidan Uttinger, the visionary mind behind The World's Greatest Experiment, reveals his groundbreaking approach to tackling global issues like poverty. By combining emerging technologies with the power of love and human energy, Aidan challenges traditional nonprofit strategies and offers a fresh perspective on creating impactful change. His journey begins with a personal tale of transformation and a mission to inspire a tidal wave of love across the globe.
Learn how Love Farm Schools have become a beacon of hope, where children from impoverished backgrounds are empowered through education funded by meditative love practices, instilling a sense of self-worth and mental well-being in these young minds. Discover the vision for the future of love as a currency, and join in on this global movement to witness the profound impact of small, loving actions in creating a brighter future for all.
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Aidan Uttinger (00:01):
Small acts of love are like a tiny seed that
if you plant them in the rightplace, which is really where
they're needed, they can growinto incredible.
Incredible things that canchange their environment, change
people's lives, can impact them.
Announcer (00:19):
Welcome to Agency for Change, a podcast from KidGlove
that brings you the stories ofchange makers who are actively
working to improve ourcommunities.
Welcome to Agency for Change, apodcast from KidGlove that
brings you the stories ofchangemakers who are actively
working to improve ourcommunities.
In every episode, we'll meetwith people who are making a
lasting impact in the places wecall home.
Lyn Wineman (00:43):
Hey everyone, this is Lynn Weinman, president and
Chief Strategist of KidGlove.
Welcome back to another episodeof the Agency for Change
podcast.
So it is February of 2025, andwe all know that February is the
month of Valentine's Day andthe month of love, and so it's
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very appropriate that we aretoday talking with somebody who
is all about love.
Our guest is Aidan Utinger.
He is the founder of theWorld's Greatest Experiment, and
they are using anentrepreneurial approach to
solving the world's biggestproblems by harnessing the power
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of love and human energy.
Aidan, I can't wait to have youshare your approach.
Welcome to the podcast.
Aidan Uttinger (01:35):
Thanks, lynn, great to be here.
Lyn Wineman (01:37):
I am so excited to talk to you and we're launching
this in February, which is themonth of love, which I think is
so perfect to go along with whatwe're going to talk about.
But let's just start.
Really big picture.
Could you share the storybehind the world's greatest
experiment?
Aidan Uttinger (01:58):
Yeah, so basically, I've been looking for
a while.
I'm trying to.
I really became fascinated withthis idea of how, in order to
solve some of the world'sbiggest problems, I felt like we
needed to take a differentapproach to what's being done
currently and I'm talkingpredominantly in the world of
nonprofits and charities,solving things like poverty.
Lyn Wineman (02:21):
Just little things, just little things like poverty
, just solving little thingslike poverty just solving little
things like poverty.
Aidan Uttinger (02:27):
Aidan, I love it , I love it, keep going and I'm
sorry, I interrupted you.
No, no, no, it's fine.
I kind of, like I've always been, I've always sort of thought
that that there's got to be abetter solution to to what's out
there.
And I just, you know, you, lookat the progress that we've made
in terms of the global situationand you know it's arguable if
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we're really shifting the needle.
I mean, I think we are, butit's, you know, I've always
wondered, you know, if we'regoing to really solve these
problems, these big ones, onceand for all.
We kind of, you know we need tofind a solution that can grow
exponentially faster than theproblem.
And I didn't see anything thatwas being done at the moment
that really felt to me like,let's say, in my lifetime we
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could ever see, you know,poverty eradicated.
And I just became reallyfascinated with you know, could
I apply an entrepreneurialmindset to this nonprofit or
charity space and and see if Icould come up with something
that would at least be my sortof money, you know, throw my hat
in the ring to see if we cancome up with something that
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might, that might be a bettersolution and might shift the
needle faster and further thanyou know, than we, than we could
with the current models.
Lyn Wineman (03:41):
So it makes me think of a saying that I've
heard before.
Maybe you've heard of this.
Saying is the definition ofinsanity is to keep doing what
you've always done, but expect adifferent outcome.
And what I appreciate aboutwhat you're doing is you're
saying we've got some bigproblems in the world.
Let's not just keep doing moreof what we've done.
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Let's take a different look atthis.
Aidan Uttinger (04:06):
Yeah, absolutely .
And it's like, for a number ofreasons, the time to do this is
really like now.
I mean, with the advancementsin technology and things that
are possible or looking likethey're on the horizon of being
possible soon, the possibilitiesare real.
This is the time where, if youcan imagine something, there
might very shortly, if notalready, be the technology or
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the resource that we need toactually make something that
would have seemed impossible alittle while ago, you know, be
viable.
So it's that.
And then the other side of itfor me is the really interesting
sort of developments in thequantum sort of side of things.
Lyn Wineman (04:47):
Right, and some people are going to say this
sounds a little woo woo.
Have you ever anybody mentionedthat to you before?
When you bring?
Aidan Uttinger (04:53):
up quantum.
Announcer (04:55):
Yeah, yeah.
Lyn Wineman (04:56):
But I tell you what it's becoming more and more
mainstream, for sure.
Aidan Uttinger (05:00):
Yeah, at a rapid rate.
But some of the science that'scoming out is like it is
undeniable, it is absolute.
It is a very exciting sort offield that we're just starting
to scratch the surface of and Ithink there's some really
incredible possibilities in that.
So our sort of the world'sgreatest experiment kind of
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merges the two together, I guessthe ability that we've got this
technology and it's soaccessible we're all connected
through the internet and through, you know, through electronics
and then sort of weaving thatquantum sort of angle and what
we're starting to discover istrue and how that works, weaving
that into the equation to sortof come up with a solution that
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until now probably couldn't haveever really existed.
Lyn Wineman (05:46):
Yeah, so tell me more, tell us more.
That's like a really bigpicture, but what does it really
look like?
What are you actually doingwith the world's greatest
experiment?
Aidan Uttinger (05:59):
Well, quite simply, we're experimenting
around with ways of identifyingother, other kinds of currency
that we might or that we aren'tcurrently, we aren't currently
utilizing as well as I think wecould, and and that quite simply
is love and human energy.
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Like we are incrediblyinefficient at harnessing love
and directing it in the rightway at the moment, and, although
that does sound a littlewoo-woo to a lot of people, once
you start looking into thescience of it and that's really
what caught me once I startedfollowing Dr Joe Dispenza's work
and I went to a couple of hisretreats and saw some things
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that just would have you know.
I mean, really they're just beclassified as miracles really,
but when you understand thescience behind it, it's actually
, you know, it's measurable,it's a specific methodology and
it's specifically using, youknow, your vibration, your love
and meditation to fix things, tofix your body, to fix your mind
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, to fix, you know, even thingslike crime rates in cities have
been shown to be able to bedropped by groups of people
sending love to that particularcity.
So, yeah, it's a it's veryinteresting space.
Essentially, what we do is wego into the world's poorest
communities where we teach themhow to meditate and send love
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and we get them to direct thatlove back to our donors.
So we're a nonprofit model, butwe wanted to create like a
circular economy, something thatcould make it a bit more
exciting for not just the peoplethat are donating, but also for
the people who are left out ofpoverty.
What if we can teach them askill like meditation, which has
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got tons of data backing up howgood this is for your health,
for your community, for yourstate of mind?
There's just so many thingsthat it's been shown to do.
I was like, what if we couldteach them this?
So it's teaching them somethingwhich is going to benefit them,
but we direct that love thatthey're generating back to the
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donors, and the donors get tomake a you know, contribute and
be part of a great organization,but they get to have all this
love coming back to them, and Ithought it'd be really
interesting to see what happens,what happens in those donors
lives and the businesses thatget involved with us.
Can we measurably see, you know, an improvement in their lives
or businesses when they'rereceiving massive amounts of
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love?
That we track, by the way, soit's not just you know, we track
it through technology.
Um, I thought that that couldbe a super interesting uh, super
interesting way to find out.
One, the power of love.
But two, to create, to createan economy for these people in
poverty to be able to take careof themselves and the people
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that they love, because they'reincentivized every time they
complete a love meditation.
They get like a love currencythrough our technology platform,
which essentially functionsjust like cash.
They can, you know, they canpurchase food or clean water.
Or we have kids in Pakistan atthe moment at the world's first
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love farm school that pay fortheir education.
We're sending love everymorning before class.
So, yeah, it's just a new outof the box approach to a
nonprofit to helping the worldbe a better place, raise the
vibration, but in a way thatsort of everybody gets a touch
point of love along the way,which I think is exciting.
Lyn Wineman (09:33):
Aidan, it's so fascinating, I have to admit.
When I first heard of you andwas introduced to the concept as
a marketing person, I wasreally intrigued.
I was like, well, what is thisworld's greatest experiment,
what's it all about?
And the idea that you'reharnessing love and human energy
as a currency to solve theworld's greatest problems, I
(09:55):
mean that is so fascinating.
So you mentioned the school inPakistan.
Can you tell us more, like howmany kids and how is this
working and what are you finding?
Aidan Uttinger (10:06):
Yeah, so we launched this.
We're only about seven monthsinto the World's Greatest
Experiment.
Lyn Wineman (10:12):
So you're brand new .
The World's Greatest Experimentis still brand new.
Aidan Uttinger (10:17):
Very much brand new.
But one of the first projectsthat we've put in place is the
Love Farm Schools.
Right, and we're basically inthis community in Lahore,
actually the main city inPakistan we have currently 50,
50 children who are full-time,and these children come from
really, really poor families.
Like some of the kids havealready had full-time jobs
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before this came in at ages sixand seven.
Things like collecting rubbishin uh in in junkyards and
recycling plastic from thestreets and all this kind of
stuff, and you know they'rereally smart kids and their
parents and the kids themselveswant nothing more than to get
educated, than to learn and havea chance to build a better
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future for themselves and theyhave dreams, just like every kid
, of being a doctor or a lawyeror an entrepreneur, and they
just don't have any ability tobe able to afford to go to
school.
Parents are that poor.
They often don't even get any.
You know, if they're luckythey'll get a meal a day.
So our model goes into thiscommunity and we've become
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really famous in this communitynow, like we have so many
parents that want their kids tocome to the mom oh, I can't
imagine Right, it's unbelievable.
But what's really, really cooland it's the only model I've
seen like it anywhere is that Iguess what separates us is that
now what's happening is thesekids whose families can't afford
to put them to school, whocan't even afford to feed them,
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the kids are able to take theirown future into their own hands.
So what we say to them is saywe know a way that you can pay
for your school, your education,by learning to harness the
energy of love in your heart anddirect it out to people that
want to support you in exchangefor the love.
Right, I love it.
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It's an experiment.
And so now, these kids who areas young as our youngest kid is
just, I think, just about toturn six.
Lyn Wineman (12:11):
That's pretty young .
That's pretty young to beunderstand all of this right.
Aidan Uttinger (12:16):
It really is.
Yeah, we've got of the 50 kids.
They're between six and 14.
And at first I really wasn'tsure if a six-year-old was just
too young, because they meditatefor an hour every morning.
Lyn Wineman (12:27):
That's a long time to sit.
Still, I'm not sure I meditateat like.
15 minutes is kind of my limit,right.
Aidan Uttinger (12:35):
Yeah, yeah.
Lyn Wineman (12:37):
So an hour, that's intense.
Aidan Uttinger (12:40):
Yeah well, I really didn't think that it was
going to be a good idea.
My idea was initially I thinkwe should probably start with
kids at least 10, 11,.
I really didn't think that itwas going to be a good idea.
My idea was initially I thinkwe should probably start with
kids at least a 10, 11, 12.
But there was a really, reallygreat need in this community,
and some of the parents, whenthey found out about the school
we were opening, came in.
They were just so emotional andso they just were adamant that
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they needed this opportunity.
So we thought we'd give it atry with a couple of them and
I'll tell you within a week,like not even these kids who
understood that they now hadthis opportunity to not only get
educated because they get alltheir education, their uniform
paid for.
We have a cook that comes inand we feed them twice a day, so
they get two square meals.
Lyn Wineman (13:22):
Yeah, that's big.
Aidan Uttinger (13:24):
The kids love it .
They feel like they're incontrol of their life, and even
at kids as young as six andseven, we've got some footage of
them talking about their mentalhealth, like they're starting,
they're understanding this,because they really understand
why they're doing it.
And what's interesting is, youknow, I can't help but think if,
if I think back to childhood,if someone had talked about this
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, it would be very muchridiculed.
Right but the kids in theseareas.
They didn't even once say, ohwell, how would that work, or
why would that work, or whowould pay for love.
They were like, oh yeah, we'veseen, we've seen you guys, you
guys need it, you know a lot.
And they were like, oh yeah,we've seen, we've seen you guys,
you guys need it, you know alot.
And that was my response.
We, we interviewed people inNepal and also in Pakistan, and
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not one person brought up youknow why this wouldn't work,
which would be in the West.
Lyn Wineman (14:15):
Nobody said this sounds woo-woo to us.
Aidan Uttinger (14:18):
We're not sure, nobody asked that, no, they
totally got it and they and they, they, they really understood
how it would benefit them andalso the people, the donors.
They're getting the love andyou know they really appreciate
it because it's like finallysomeone sees that we are worth
something, like we havesomething.
We might not have money, butyou give us an opportunity to
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look after our futures andsecure our future.
Like we will send you love andwe will mean it when we send it
to you, and that's become reallyobvious.
Lyn Wineman (14:49):
So you just said something there that really,
like I think is very touching,and it is giving kids who are in
maybe some of the mostdifficult situations, taking
them to the point where they'relike we are worth something, we
are doing something not just forourselves, but for others,
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aiden.
I think, that's reallybeautiful.
So so all right, you have 50kids in school, I bet.
I bet you have a waiting list.
Aidan Uttinger (15:18):
Oh, we have like every week the, the, the main
teacher.
We have three teachers thereand the teacher that runs the
school is like Aidan.
We could take 200 kids tomorrow.
Announcer (15:30):
The whole community.
Aidan Uttinger (15:31):
They all want their kids to go there and it's
creating this really.
It's creating this beautifulenergy in the community because
they're really proud of the factthat this is the first of its
kind and they really understand,too that they understand that
if they're really proud of thefact that this is the first of
its kind, and they reallyunderstand, too, that they
understand that if they takethis seriously and they really
put their heart into it, theybelieve it will work, just like
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I I know in my heart it willwork, and um, that other kids
will get the opportunity, as aswe get, to show the world how
this model works and how it'show it's helping ways that I
hasn't.
Charities haven't been able todo this before Right, taking a
totally different approach.
Lyn Wineman (16:08):
It's a very different concept, yeah.
Aidan Uttinger (16:11):
Yeah, yeah.
So you know they understandthat they've got an important
responsibility because they'rethe first foundational love farm
school, the thing that showsthe world that this thing can
work.
And so you know they're alreadyscoring above average.
We haven't got to the pointwhere we're teaching, where we
do the testing versus thenational average yet, but we're
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really optimistic.
We're seeing that, that thegrades are going to be through
the roof compared with kids thatdon't meditate and say love for
an hour in the school andremember these come from
illiterate families and thingsRight.
It's not like they're gettingextra help at home.
Don't meditate and say love foran hour in the school.
Lyn Wineman (16:44):
And remember, these come from illiterate families
and things Right right, it's notlike they're getting extra help
at home.
Aidan Uttinger (16:48):
No, no, they're seriously coming from a.
If you look at it on a, eventhey're not on a level footing
even when they come to theschool.
So if we can start to show thatthat state of gratitude and
love and meditation for an hourbefore school every day can be,
you know, something that willreally help them learn better,
get better grades, become better, you know better students,
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better citizens, you know that'sreally powerful stuff to be
able to see right.
If we can show that and I thinkthat's how we can you know I'm
excited about this is a modelthat we can expand out all over
the world to countries wherethis is needed.
Lyn Wineman (17:26):
That's amazing.
So, aidan, you got 50 kids inthe school.
They're doing really well,they're feeling great, making a
difference.
They're getting two squares aday in addition to an education,
in addition to mental health.
You got 200 or more on awaiting list.
I know our listeners are verysocially conscious.
They want to help.
(17:48):
How do we help you get more ofthese kids in school?
Aidan Uttinger (17:54):
Well, I think one thing I should just touch on
quickly, which I haven'tclearly articulated yet, is that
the world's greatest experimentis obviously a new model for
helping people in this situation, but what we actually, what
we're actually doing, is we'regetting our donors together, the
donors that contribute amonthly amount, whether it's an
individual.
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You can join our experiment asan individual or you can join as
a business, and, andessentially, everyone in the
experiment is the recipient ofall the love, from all the love
farms, from all the kids.
We have a community in thePhilippines where we get about
200 families, about a thousandpeople, who pay for their clean
water every month, with love, oh, through love.
Lyn Wineman (18:36):
So you have the school, plus you're doing a
water source in the Philippines.
Aidan Uttinger (18:42):
Wow, yes, and we have another love farm that
wants to open in India, whichwill be the next place as well.
But the way that this works iswhen we get people to join our
experiment, either as anindividual or a business.
They get to be the firstbusinesses or individuals to
stream love.
They'll have love meditated onthem every day for hours from
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all around the world, and themore people we get in the
experiments means the morecommunities like this, the more
schools, the more students, themore people we can help with
water, with food, with relief,the more love is coming to the
donors.
So we're very much at thebeginning of getting this
flywheel going where we've gotearly adopters who have gone.
I like this model, I like whatthis is doing.
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I don't necessarily know whatthe love's going to do, but I'm
contributing just like I wouldto any other nonprofit.
It's to a great cause and I getthis little added bonus of this
stream of love coming to meLike I'm interested to see what
happens, like I'm interested tosee what happens.
So I think that's justimportant to let the listeners
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know that by supporting us, whatyou're actually doing is you're
actually signing yourself up tobe the first humans in history
to stream love every day, andthat's where we're hoping to see
the benefits is not just inthese communities but with the
donors and the businesses thatcontribute.
Lyn Wineman (20:03):
You know, Aidan, I'm excited to say Kid Glolove
is coming on board as a donorand we're really excited.
But the same thing.
I have no idea what's going tocome of this, but it's got to be
good, right, Like it's got tobe good.
How could you harness love andhuman energy and not have that
be a fantastic situation, right?
Aidan Uttinger (20:24):
Yeah, it can only be a good thing.
And you know where we want toget it to is we track all the
love too.
So so, as we get a bit betterestablished, we have a platform
which is almost ready, whichwill allow people in the
experiment to actually see everyday, all the love where it's
coming from, how long.
How much love is coming fromPhilippines, from Nepal, from
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where it is, and they'll be ableto read about where the love's
come from, see things happeningin the community, get to develop
, I guess, gets to sort of knowthe people, the community, and
get to see firsthand some of thedifferences that they're making
by contributing, by being partof this experiment.
So it's really got a win foreverybody.
There's a win for you if you'redonating, you know, and you get
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all this love.
Well, who knows what's going?
Lyn Wineman (21:11):
to happen.
Who knows?
Right, I see a future for youin people gifting love to their
friends and family right thisyear for Christmas.
I'm gifting you love, rightLike absolutely.
Kind of a cool and fun thing todo, aidan, I love it yeah.
Aidan Uttinger (21:25):
Valentine's day coming up pretty great.
Uh, you know, for ourindividual experiment we we get
people that they commit for ayear because we have to be able
to sign up the kids the teachers, the families do it
sporadically, right.
Yeah, yeah.
But we do a hundred dollar amonth and you know that's a
pretty great present for yourloved one on Valentine's Day, is
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giving an entire year of lovestreaming to them and at the
same time, you're educating kidsand feeding.
You know, feeding and givingclean water to families that
need it.
It's really cool.
So I see gifting as a big partin the future too.
Lyn Wineman (22:02):
Fantastic Aidan.
As long as we're talking aboutthis, let's tell people how they
can find you, what, what isyour web address where they can
check this out?
Aidan Uttinger (22:11):
Yeah, so it's just the world's greatest
experimentcom.
Lyn Wineman (22:16):
Very good, the world's greatest experimentcom,
and we'll get that in the shownotes for everybody too.
So I can just go onto theKidGlove website and click right
on that link if they want to.
Aidan Uttinger (22:28):
Yeah, and just to give a little context too,
for people that might have acompany or a brand or be curious
about what we're talking about,is that the idea with
businesses is we want to createa platform where businesses who
contribute can actually gettheir products, services and
goods streaming love or maybeit's sending love to their
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customers or their clients.
They set the intention and andnow, for the first time in
history, we'll be able yourclients would be able to
actually scan a code on yourpackaging or on your website
which would link through to yourpage on the world's greatest
experiment showing yourcustomers and clients all the
love that's in your product orservice or that's streaming to
them for being a customer ofyours.
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So, that just gives a littleidea about how we're
incorporating into the businessworld.
What about companies thatactually want to infuse love
into their products or services?
This is like the first way thatI'm aware of ever for a company
to do that in a way that'smeasurable, quantifiable and, I
believe, will help form reallystrong, long lasting, loyal
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customer base sort ofrelationships with your clients
as well, because it's somethingthat a lot of people say they
put love into what they do.
Lyn Wineman (23:38):
but this is a way that you can actually do it yeah
.
Aidan Uttinger (23:41):
Yeah, and prove it yeah.
Lyn Wineman (23:43):
That's fantastic, aidan.
All right, I have to ask youthis how does someone like you,
with this entrepreneurialbackground, this tech background
, how do you get to this place,like how?
How did you get to the placewhere you woke up one day and
said this is what I'm going todo?
Aidan Uttinger (24:02):
Well, you know, it's been a journey and I don't
know that there's one singlemoment, but I will.
I will tell you the genesis ofthe idea, but I'd sort of in
hindsight now I can look backand see that it was really a lot
of little things over a longperiod of time, perfectly
orchestrated to get me to thispoint.
But I ran.
You know, I ran away as a kid.
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I left New Zealand, where I'moriginally from, as a teenager
and I ended up finding myself,after a little bit of trouble
and some wrong turns, an illegalalien in the Philippines.
Basically, I had spun a globe,put my finger on it and decided
I was just going to go there andtry and start a new life.
And as an illegal alien there,without a visa or anything, I
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got taken in by a Filipinofamily who essentially saved my
life.
I feel like they gave me family, love, food, a roof over my
head and they never wantedanything for it.
But one day I asked my Filipinodad how I could ever repay him
for saving my life and he toldme that when I'm in a position
to pay it forward to somebody todo the same thing, give them
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some love, that he wouldconsider that debt repaid.
And when I thought about thatsimple request, it was amazing
because I realized that wouldcarry on, that one act of love
that he gave to me, if I pass itdown and the next person passes
it down, it would carry on foreternity.
And I just was fascinated bythat simple concept of how love
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as an energy can just carry on.
And I made a promise to myselfin that moment that's over 25
years ago that I was going tofind a, find a way to pay back
or pay forward so much love,because just doing that for one
person and my that wouldn't showmy Filipino dad the gravity of
how much love I felt Like itwould.
I know it'd be beautiful, but Iwas like I want to show him
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something bigger.
So I sort of planted that seed.
I have to come up with an ideathat could really show them that
by doing that one act of lovefor me like the world can be
different.
Because that one act and toshow that to the world too,
because I think that's a reallypowerful lesson right, if we can
all pay a little bit of loveforward to somebody that needs
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it, we can start to show.
You know we can start to changethe world and because of
technology and what we'rebuilding you can see it Like, we
can have the record of it, howmuch love was sent, what
happened, how it affected theworld.
Lyn Wineman (26:30):
And that's exciting for me, you know, because we
can quantifiably you know,tangibly show what love is doing
, rather than it being thisethereal thing that we can't
touch or see.
You know, fantastic.
So I love the ripple effect ofthat right.
I mean a very kind and generousact from your Filipino family,
a very wise conversation withyour Filipino dad, you then
being inspired and now this,like going across the world.
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I mean that that is not just aripple effect, it's kind of a
tidal wave, aiden, and I knowtidal waves aren't always
positive, right, but it's a kindof a tidal wave of love there
right, which that can't be a badthing, can it?
Aidan Uttinger (27:06):
That's exactly how I refer to it with my
friends.
Lyn Wineman (27:09):
Really.
Aidan Uttinger (27:09):
It's a tidal wave of love and I don't know.
There's a book that is calledPower Versus Force.
I don't know if you've read it.
Lyn Wineman (27:17):
I haven't, but I'm a reader, so I'm putting it on
the list right now.
Power versus force.
Aidan Uttinger (27:23):
Yeah, and he studies the energy that certain
words and frequencies andemotions have and I guess in
most things in life to get to atipping point.
You sort of get to this 51%right and you sort of start to
you get over, you sort of startto you get over the hump.
But what he discovered with loveis that the frequency of love
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is is so many orders ofmagnitude higher than, say,
frequency of of guilt and shame,which are the two lowest
vibrations that one personvibrating in a state of love can
offset about 120 000000 peoplein a state of guilt and shame.
So, just on a pure energetics,you start to understand that for
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every, for these 50 kids inthis school in Pakistan, you
know, those 50 kids meditatingfor that hour every day are
offsetting, you know, 7 million,8 million people who are in
guilt and shame.
So so that when you see thestate of the world sometimes and
you go man, it seems like isthis just too crazy of an idea?
(28:30):
It's like you, when youunderstand the science once
again, you're like no, you know,if we can get, if we can get 1%
less than that, but if we canget 1% of the world to get into
this state of love you know,once a day that would be enough
to offset, to literally create atighter wave of love that you
can't if you get in the way youjust get swept up in it now.
Lyn Wineman (28:53):
It's too strong.
I love it.
I got to stop saying that.
Announcer (28:54):
I keep saying that on this podcast.
Lyn Wineman (28:55):
I've noticed I have said I love it like at least a
dozen times and I even wrote itdown here.
Stop saying that.
But it's hard.
It's hard not to, because I dofeel like a lot of folks are in
a state of distress, a state ofguilt and shame, and a lot of
it's just like in our heads and,and you know, if what you're
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doing can help people overcomethat, I think that's really,
really a beautiful thing.
So, aidan, I'd love to ask you,like, what's on the horizon,
what's next?
You said, hey, maybe the nextproject is in India.
Like, how big does your dreamgo for this project?
Aidan Uttinger (29:39):
Well, like, I really believe that we can and
should have love as a currencyof the future, at least a
currency right.
And you know, I I believe thatif we have enough brave people,
enough people that can see whatwe're doing, enough people that
(29:59):
join this experiment and help usget that flywheel going, I
really believe that will, likeyou said, create this tidal wave
of love that will really startto show.
I think we can have schools allover the world, entire entire
communities where, uh, have comefrom extreme, in extreme
poverty, who are able to, whoare able to take care of
themselves, their communities,the kids, everyone they love, by
(30:23):
sending love every day.
You know, creating amarketplace for love, right,
that we can show the world thatit's really valuable, show
companies if they infuse loveand they become more profitable,
they have lower staff turnover,they have better relationships
with their customers.
If we can start to prove that,then we can create this shift
(30:43):
where businesses are like well,if I'm, or even consumers, start
demanding it, if I'm going tobuy food, I want food from them,
some, yeah, company that'sstreaming love to it because I
can, I know it's better for me,you know.
So I think we can createsomething here that can totally
grow exponentially faster thanthe problem.
If every food company on the onthe planet Was streaming love
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Was streaming love to it becauseyou simply had to.
When you realized that everyonewho was streaming love was that
much better, yeah, then weautomatically have enough to
take care of everyone that's inneed, everyone that's in poverty
, plus a lot more.
So it's really, you know, I seethe sky is the limit, but I
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also it's not.
I can't do it alone.
It's like we have to have theseother people that believe this
and I know that they're outthere, right that aren't afraid
to be the first companies tocome in and actively say to
their clients that we'restreaming love to.
You know, your favorite wine,or your water, or your muesli
bars, or fruit and vegetablesand and whole foods is streaming
(31:48):
love.
Now, you know, and I think whenenough, you know, when some
people start having you knowsaying, hey, I'll be the first
in history to stream love to acompany, right, I think we'll
start a movement, and thatmovement could be extremely
impactful.
Lyn Wineman (32:29):
You know, I want to drive in a car that's powered
by love and fly on an airplanethat's protected by love and
right.
Like put about harnessing loveand energy as a currency.
I mean, what do you say to thepeople who question it?
Aidan Uttinger (32:36):
well, I mean, look one, there's lots of
science out there, there's lotsof research out there.
But two, like, like, we'realready seeing it, it already
works.
I mean, when you see the lookof the face of these kids, these
parents in in pakistan breakingdown, crying as we interviewing
them on how this has impactedthem, their life you know their
(32:58):
lives because they want, justlike anybody, their kids to have
an opportunity and this isgiving them an opportunity, it's
already working.
Like we might not be able tosay, here's this incredible
miracle that's happened for herdonor yet and it's attributed to
love because, you know, wehaven't got there yet.
But I can tell you that everyday for these kids, they're
experiencing a miracle.
These community, this communityin the philippines that hasn't
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had clean water, something assimple as now, all of a sudden,
then they're meditating twice.
Each family meditates twice amonth for an hour, and that pays
for their clean water for themonth.
So these 2000 people in thiscommunity, you know, they're
experiencing this love as amiracle already, you know, and
what's really cool with it isit's not.
It's not a charity anymore.
Lyn Wineman (33:43):
It's not like they're returning the currency.
Aidan Uttinger (33:47):
Exactly, exactly , and that's that's really
incredible, because they valueit more.
They start to.
We're already seeing that.
You know they feel valued.
They're like, hey, we don'thave money, we don't have, we
didn't have an education, but ifyou can teach us to do
something, that's valuable, weknow our love has got a value
and it's changing the povertymindset.
(34:07):
It's literally helping thembreak free of the poverty
mindset.
I can see it already with thekids and we're only four months
or so, four or five months intothe school, right, so yeah, it's
exciting.
I think we're going to see somereally incredible stuff as time
progresses with this.
Lyn Wineman (34:24):
Aidan, I have to ask you do you have any?
I mean, you've kind of alludedto some big picture stories, but
do you have any favoritestories that have happened in
these first few months?
Aidan Uttinger (34:34):
I mean, it's like to be like to give you an
idea.
At the moment we have threecompanies and we have probably
we've gotten maybe 30 or 40people in the experiments.
I mean, we are really new.
We haven't been marketing, asyou know, we're sort of
bootstrapping this thing and amiracle to me is that just from
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that small amount of people thathave gone yeah, I'll be part of
this experiment Just from thatsmall group, there's 2000 people
getting fresh water in thePhilippines, there's 50 kids who
each of those kids has brothersand sisters.
They all have a parent orparents.
So there's already probably2,000 people that are somehow
(35:19):
affected by the generosity ofjust three companies and a
handful of individuals.
Because your money goes so muchfurther in some of these places
, right, Absolutely.
Because your money goes so muchfurther in some of these places
, right, Absolutely.
That's a miracle to me.
Like I can't believe that wehave a school in Pakistan and
we've been able to do that withjust these people saying you
know, we'll be part of thisexperiment.
(35:39):
So for me, that's been it sofar, and seeing the looks on the
faces of the kids and thecommunity and stuff, but it's,
but I it's, it's beautiful.
It's also frustrating in a way,because I can see how, where
this could go.
And you know, I want, I want, Iwant to find the tribe, the
people out there that understandwhat we're doing and want to be
(36:00):
part of it, because it's been alonely journey to get it to
this point.
It gets better every day as morepeople hear about it and
support and come, come.
It gets better every day asmore people hear about it and
support and come, come into thissort of circle.
But I can really see usbuilding just this phenomenal
community of heart led peoplearound the world, who, who are
all streaming love into theirlives and all you know, doing
their bit to help make the worlda better place.
And and yeah, I have no doubtthat the miracles and the
(36:24):
evidence, if you like, will come, but the, you know, as far as
I'm aware, that, as far as I'mconcerned, the, the evidence is
already there.
I'm already feeling it.
If I have a bad day, I justthink about all these kids that
if I hadn't have put this crazyidea together, right, who's?
Their lives already changed?
and who knows, maybe them will,one of them will grow up to be
the prime minister one day.
(36:44):
Who knows?
You just never know.
And but but what I do know isthat from these small acts of
love, like the seed, can growinto something, because if it
wasn't for that thing thathappened to me 25 years ago,
this project wouldn't exist.
So we may not I may not live tosee it, I may not ever know the
true effect of it, but I knowthat it's doing something you
(37:05):
know.
Lyn Wineman (37:05):
Absolutely Well, aidan, I hope that this, this
podcast and our listeners fromthe Agency for Change, like I'm
happy to shine a light on theexperiment and the work that
you're doing, and I hate to sayit, but our time is coming to an
end because I feel like to askyou my favorite question,
(37:28):
because you're kind of aninspiring person who's doing
really inspiring work, and oneof the questions I've asked on
every single episode of thispodcast is can you give us an
Aidan Utinger original quote.
Aidan Uttinger (37:43):
Oh man, I'm trying to think You've put me on
the spot with this.
I'm trying to think it, Ithought you've put me on the
spot with this.
There's a, there's a few thingsthat I've that I've come up
with over the time, which I,which I can't quite recall what
they are, but I don't know.
I guess the one, the one nuggetthat I, that I just want to
(38:03):
remind people of, is only, islike a quote or saying, but we
and we touched on it already isjust, is just, you know, like
love is like a seed, right, likesmall acts of love are like a
tiny seed that, if you plantthem in the right place, which
is really where they're needed,you know, they can grow into
(38:23):
incredible, incredible thingsthat can change their
environment, change, changepeople's lives, can impact them.
And and and I just, I just wouldencourage people to to always
think about that, you know,because we sometimes don't think
that something as simple asjust smiling to a stranger or
(38:44):
something, but you know, couldmake a difference, but that
literally could be the seed thatthey needed at that moment,
which can change the life oftheir spouse and their kids and
future for them.
And so I know that's not reallya quote and it's a lot too long
to write down, but just be thatawareness of that Cause I've
seen it firsthand in my life andI see it, you know, with what
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we're doing, and I just think ifpeople could understand that
sometimes it's these smallthings, like the biggest,
strongest things come from thesetiny little seeds, you know.
And so, yeah, I always think oflove like that, and try and
plant as many of those seeds asI can, you know.
Lyn Wineman (39:22):
Yeah, I think we're lucky that you're out there
planting those seeds, AidanAidan.
I want to wrap up with one lastquestion here, because, as we
end this great conversation,what would you say is the most
important thing you would likeour listeners to remember about
the work that you're doing?
Aidan Uttinger (39:42):
I would love for everyone listening, if it
resonates, to reach out.
We're small enough now.
We'd love to just have you inthe community, even if even if
you're not a donor, you know,like, just I want, I want people
to be aware of what we're doing, because I know that the power
is in the numbers and as westart to get more and more
people thinking this way andjust following along because
(40:04):
they're going to see miracles,they're going to see things if
they just follow what we'redoing, and I think that that's
going to inspire, inspire peoplejust in the early stages right
now.
But I just encourage you to keepan ear to the ground on what
we're doing and, and you know,if you come across a company or
something that says they putlove in their product, tell them
about the world's greatestexperiment.
(40:25):
And I just, you know, I findthat this is the kind of thing
that sticks in people's head.
If you've got a certain levelof consciousness and you think
about this kind of thing and yousometimes get overwhelmed with
you know how we can make theworld better.
When sometimes it seems likewith what's going on, it's just
so crazy.
It's like, uh, you know it's,it's nice to know there's
something out there that thatcould be.
Lyn Wineman (40:46):
it could be a solution for it, so yeah, I
promised myself I wasn't goingto say the word love one more
time, but I love what you'redoing and I fully believe that
the world needs more people likeyou, more projects like the
world's greatest experiment.
I really encourage people tocheck it out.
Aidan Uttinger (41:05):
Just thank you for taking time to share with us
today thank you, and thanks tokid glove too, for being the the
fourth company on the wholeplanet to infuse love into their
work and their customers andtheir clients, because we're so
happy to have you part of it anduh, and helping us on our
journey aiden, we like to sayyou can't spell kid glove
without love.
Lyn Wineman (41:25):
So I think this is a perfect match.
Aidan Uttinger (41:27):
I love it.
I love it there.
It there you go.
Lyn Wineman (41:29):
Now I'm saying it Now you're saying it All right,
thanks so much, aiden.
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Lyn Wineman (00:43):
Hey everyone, this is Lynn Weinman, president and
Chief Strategist of KidGlove.
Welcome back to another episodeof the Agency for Change
podcast.
So it is February of 2025, andwe all know that February is the
month of Valentine's Day andthe month of love, and so it's
(01:03):
very appropriate that we aretoday talking with somebody who
is all about love.
Our guest is Aidan Utinger.
He is the founder of theWorld's Greatest Experiment, and
they are using anentrepreneurial approach to
solving the world's biggestproblems by harnessing the power
(01:25):
of love and human energy.
Aidan, I can't wait to have youshare your approach.
Welcome to the podcast.
Aidan Uttinger (01:35):
Thanks, lynn, great to be here.
Lyn Wineman (01:37):
I am so excited to talk to you and we're launching
this in February, which is themonth of love, which I think is
so perfect to go along with whatwe're going to talk about.
But let's just start.
Really big picture.
Could you share the storybehind the world's greatest
experiment?
Aidan Uttinger (01:58):
Yeah, so basically, I've been looking for
a while.
I'm trying to.
I really became fascinated withthis idea of how, in order to
solve some of the world'sbiggest problems, I felt like we
needed to take a differentapproach to what's being done
currently and I'm talkingpredominantly in the world of
nonprofits and charities,solving things like poverty.
Lyn Wineman (02:21):
Just little things, just little things like poverty
, just solving little thingslike poverty just solving little
things like poverty.
Aidan Uttinger (02:27):
Aidan, I love it , I love it, keep going and I'm
sorry, I interrupted you.
No, no, no, it's fine.
I kind of, like I've always been, I've always sort of thought
that that there's got to be abetter solution to to what's out
there.
And I just, you know, you, lookat the progress that we've made
in terms of the global situationand you know it's arguable if
(02:48):
we're really shifting the needle.
I mean, I think we are, butit's, you know, I've always
wondered, you know, if we'regoing to really solve these
problems, these big ones, onceand for all.
We kind of, you know we need tofind a solution that can grow
exponentially faster than theproblem.
And I didn't see anything thatwas being done at the moment
that really felt to me like,let's say, in my lifetime we
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could ever see, you know,poverty eradicated.
And I just became reallyfascinated with you know, could
I apply an entrepreneurialmindset to this nonprofit or
charity space and and see if Icould come up with something
that would at least be my sortof money, you know, throw my hat
in the ring to see if we cancome up with something that
(03:32):
might, that might be a bettersolution and might shift the
needle faster and further thanyou know, than we, than we could
with the current models.
Lyn Wineman (03:41):
So it makes me think of a saying that I've
heard before.
Maybe you've heard of this.
Saying is the definition ofinsanity is to keep doing what
you've always done, but expect adifferent outcome.
And what I appreciate aboutwhat you're doing is you're
saying we've got some bigproblems in the world.
Let's not just keep doing moreof what we've done.
(04:03):
Let's take a different look atthis.
Aidan Uttinger (04:06):
Yeah, absolutely .
And it's like, for a number ofreasons, the time to do this is
really like now.
I mean, with the advancementsin technology and things that
are possible or looking likethey're on the horizon of being
possible soon, the possibilitiesare real.
This is the time where, if youcan imagine something, there
might very shortly, if notalready, be the technology or
(04:29):
the resource that we need toactually make something that
would have seemed impossible alittle while ago, you know, be
viable.
So it's that.
And then the other side of itfor me is the really interesting
sort of developments in thequantum sort of side of things.
Lyn Wineman (04:47):
Right, and some people are going to say this
sounds a little woo woo.
Have you ever anybody mentionedthat to you before?
When you bring?
Aidan Uttinger (04:53):
up quantum.
Announcer (04:55):
Yeah, yeah.
Lyn Wineman (04:56):
But I tell you what it's becoming more and more
mainstream, for sure.
Aidan Uttinger (05:00):
Yeah, at a rapid rate.
But some of the science that'scoming out is like it is
undeniable, it is absolute.
It is a very exciting sort offield that we're just starting
to scratch the surface of and Ithink there's some really
incredible possibilities in that.
So our sort of the world'sgreatest experiment kind of
(05:21):
merges the two together, I guessthe ability that we've got this
technology and it's soaccessible we're all connected
through the internet and through, you know, through electronics
and then sort of weaving thatquantum sort of angle and what
we're starting to discover istrue and how that works, weaving
that into the equation to sortof come up with a solution that
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until now probably couldn't haveever really existed.
Lyn Wineman (05:46):
Yeah, so tell me more, tell us more.
That's like a really bigpicture, but what does it really
look like?
What are you actually doingwith the world's greatest
experiment?
Aidan Uttinger (05:59):
Well, quite simply, we're experimenting
around with ways of identifyingother, other kinds of currency
that we might or that we aren'tcurrently, we aren't currently
utilizing as well as I think wecould, and and that quite simply
is love and human energy.
(06:20):
Like we are incrediblyinefficient at harnessing love
and directing it in the rightway at the moment, and, although
that does sound a littlewoo-woo to a lot of people, once
you start looking into thescience of it and that's really
what caught me once I startedfollowing Dr Joe Dispenza's work
and I went to a couple of hisretreats and saw some things
(06:43):
that just would have you know.
I mean, really they're just beclassified as miracles really,
but when you understand thescience behind it, it's actually
, you know, it's measurable,it's a specific methodology and
it's specifically using, youknow, your vibration, your love
and meditation to fix things, tofix your body, to fix your mind
(07:03):
, to fix, you know, even thingslike crime rates in cities have
been shown to be able to bedropped by groups of people
sending love to that particularcity.
So, yeah, it's a it's veryinteresting space.
Essentially, what we do is wego into the world's poorest
communities where we teach themhow to meditate and send love
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and we get them to direct thatlove back to our donors.
So we're a nonprofit model, butwe wanted to create like a
circular economy, something thatcould make it a bit more
exciting for not just the peoplethat are donating, but also for
the people who are left out ofpoverty.
What if we can teach them askill like meditation, which has
(07:45):
got tons of data backing up howgood this is for your health,
for your community, for yourstate of mind?
There's just so many thingsthat it's been shown to do.
I was like, what if we couldteach them this?
So it's teaching them somethingwhich is going to benefit them,
but we direct that love thatthey're generating back to the
(08:06):
donors, and the donors get tomake a you know, contribute and
be part of a great organization,but they get to have all this
love coming back to them, and Ithought it'd be really
interesting to see what happens,what happens in those donors
lives and the businesses thatget involved with us.
Can we measurably see, you know, an improvement in their lives
or businesses when they'rereceiving massive amounts of
(08:28):
love?
That we track, by the way, soit's not just you know, we track
it through technology.
Um, I thought that that couldbe a super interesting uh, super
interesting way to find out.
One, the power of love.
But two, to create, to createan economy for these people in
poverty to be able to take careof themselves and the people
(08:48):
that they love, because they'reincentivized every time they
complete a love meditation.
They get like a love currencythrough our technology platform,
which essentially functionsjust like cash.
They can, you know, they canpurchase food or clean water.
Or we have kids in Pakistan atthe moment at the world's first
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love farm school that pay fortheir education.
We're sending love everymorning before class.
So, yeah, it's just a new outof the box approach to a
nonprofit to helping the worldbe a better place, raise the
vibration, but in a way thatsort of everybody gets a touch
point of love along the way,which I think is exciting.
Lyn Wineman (09:33):
Aidan, it's so fascinating, I have to admit.
When I first heard of you andwas introduced to the concept as
a marketing person, I wasreally intrigued.
I was like, well, what is thisworld's greatest experiment,
what's it all about?
And the idea that you'reharnessing love and human energy
as a currency to solve theworld's greatest problems, I
(09:55):
mean that is so fascinating.
So you mentioned the school inPakistan.
Can you tell us more, like howmany kids and how is this
working and what are you finding?
Aidan Uttinger (10:06):
Yeah, so we launched this.
We're only about seven monthsinto the World's Greatest
Experiment.
Lyn Wineman (10:12):
So you're brand new .
The World's Greatest Experimentis still brand new.
Aidan Uttinger (10:17):
Very much brand new.
But one of the first projectsthat we've put in place is the
Love Farm Schools.
Right, and we're basically inthis community in Lahore,
actually the main city inPakistan we have currently 50,
50 children who are full-time,and these children come from
really, really poor families.
Like some of the kids havealready had full-time jobs
(10:37):
before this came in at ages sixand seven.
Things like collecting rubbishin uh in in junkyards and
recycling plastic from thestreets and all this kind of
stuff, and you know they'rereally smart kids and their
parents and the kids themselveswant nothing more than to get
educated, than to learn and havea chance to build a better
(11:00):
future for themselves and theyhave dreams, just like every kid
, of being a doctor or a lawyeror an entrepreneur, and they
just don't have any ability tobe able to afford to go to
school.
Parents are that poor.
They often don't even get any.
You know, if they're luckythey'll get a meal a day.
So our model goes into thiscommunity and we've become
(11:21):
really famous in this communitynow, like we have so many
parents that want their kids tocome to the mom oh, I can't
imagine Right, it's unbelievable.
But what's really, really cooland it's the only model I've
seen like it anywhere is that Iguess what separates us is that
now what's happening is thesekids whose families can't afford
to put them to school, whocan't even afford to feed them,
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the kids are able to take theirown future into their own hands.
So what we say to them is saywe know a way that you can pay
for your school, your education,by learning to harness the
energy of love in your heart anddirect it out to people that
want to support you in exchangefor the love.
Right, I love it.
(12:02):
It's an experiment.
And so now, these kids who areas young as our youngest kid is
just, I think, just about toturn six.
Lyn Wineman (12:11):
That's pretty young .
That's pretty young to beunderstand all of this right.
Aidan Uttinger (12:16):
It really is.
Yeah, we've got of the 50 kids.
They're between six and 14.
And at first I really wasn'tsure if a six-year-old was just
too young, because they meditatefor an hour every morning.
Lyn Wineman (12:27):
That's a long time to sit.
Still, I'm not sure I meditateat like.
15 minutes is kind of my limit,right.
Aidan Uttinger (12:35):
Yeah, yeah.
Lyn Wineman (12:37):
So an hour, that's intense.
Aidan Uttinger (12:40):
Yeah well, I really didn't think that it was
going to be a good idea.
My idea was initially I thinkwe should probably start with
kids at least 10, 11,.
I really didn't think that itwas going to be a good idea.
My idea was initially I thinkwe should probably start with
kids at least a 10, 11, 12.
But there was a really, reallygreat need in this community,
and some of the parents, whenthey found out about the school
we were opening, came in.
They were just so emotional andso they just were adamant that
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they needed this opportunity.
So we thought we'd give it atry with a couple of them and
I'll tell you within a week,like not even these kids who
understood that they now hadthis opportunity to not only get
educated because they get alltheir education, their uniform
paid for.
We have a cook that comes inand we feed them twice a day, so
they get two square meals.
Lyn Wineman (13:22):
Yeah, that's big.
Aidan Uttinger (13:24):
The kids love it .
They feel like they're incontrol of their life, and even
at kids as young as six andseven, we've got some footage of
them talking about their mentalhealth, like they're starting,
they're understanding this,because they really understand
why they're doing it.
And what's interesting is, youknow, I can't help but think if,
if I think back to childhood,if someone had talked about this
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, it would be very muchridiculed.
Right but the kids in theseareas.
They didn't even once say, ohwell, how would that work, or
why would that work, or whowould pay for love.
They were like, oh yeah, we'veseen, we've seen you guys, you
guys need it, you know a lot.
And they were like, oh yeah,we've seen, we've seen you guys,
you guys need it, you know alot.
And that was my response.
We, we interviewed people inNepal and also in Pakistan, and
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not one person brought up youknow why this wouldn't work,
which would be in the West.
Lyn Wineman (14:15):
Nobody said this sounds woo-woo to us.
Aidan Uttinger (14:18):
We're not sure, nobody asked that, no, they
totally got it and they and they, they, they really understood
how it would benefit them andalso the people, the donors.
They're getting the love andyou know they really appreciate
it because it's like finallysomeone sees that we are worth
something, like we havesomething.
We might not have money, butyou give us an opportunity to
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look after our futures andsecure our future.
Like we will send you love andwe will mean it when we send it
to you, and that's become reallyobvious.
Lyn Wineman (14:49):
So you just said something there that really,
like I think is very touching,and it is giving kids who are in
maybe some of the mostdifficult situations, taking
them to the point where they'relike we are worth something, we
are doing something not just forourselves, but for others,
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aiden.
I think, that's reallybeautiful.
So so all right, you have 50kids in school, I bet.
I bet you have a waiting list.
Aidan Uttinger (15:18):
Oh, we have like every week the, the, the main
teacher.
We have three teachers thereand the teacher that runs the
school is like Aidan.
We could take 200 kids tomorrow.
Announcer (15:30):
The whole community.
Aidan Uttinger (15:31):
They all want their kids to go there and it's
creating this really.
It's creating this beautifulenergy in the community because
they're really proud of the factthat this is the first of its
kind and they really understand,too that they understand that
if they're really proud of thefact that this is the first of
its kind, and they reallyunderstand, too, that they
understand that if they takethis seriously and they really
put their heart into it, theybelieve it will work, just like
(15:52):
I I know in my heart it willwork, and um, that other kids
will get the opportunity, as aswe get, to show the world how
this model works and how it'show it's helping ways that I
hasn't.
Charities haven't been able todo this before Right, taking a
totally different approach.
Lyn Wineman (16:08):
It's a very different concept, yeah.
Aidan Uttinger (16:11):
Yeah, yeah.
So you know they understandthat they've got an important
responsibility because they'rethe first foundational love farm
school, the thing that showsthe world that this thing can
work.
And so you know they're alreadyscoring above average.
We haven't got to the pointwhere we're teaching, where we
do the testing versus thenational average yet, but we're
(16:34):
really optimistic.
We're seeing that, that thegrades are going to be through
the roof compared with kids thatdon't meditate and say love for
an hour in the school andremember these come from
illiterate families and thingsRight.
It's not like they're gettingextra help at home.
Don't meditate and say love foran hour in the school.
Lyn Wineman (16:44):
And remember, these come from illiterate families
and things Right right, it's notlike they're getting extra help
at home.
Aidan Uttinger (16:48):
No, no, they're seriously coming from a.
If you look at it on a, eventhey're not on a level footing
even when they come to theschool.
So if we can start to show thatthat state of gratitude and
love and meditation for an hourbefore school every day can be,
you know, something that willreally help them learn better,
get better grades, become better, you know better students,
(17:11):
better citizens, you know that'sreally powerful stuff to be
able to see right.
If we can show that and I thinkthat's how we can you know I'm
excited about this is a modelthat we can expand out all over
the world to countries wherethis is needed.
Lyn Wineman (17:26):
That's amazing.
So, aidan, you got 50 kids inthe school.
They're doing really well,they're feeling great, making a
difference.
They're getting two squares aday in addition to an education,
in addition to mental health.
You got 200 or more on awaiting list.
I know our listeners are verysocially conscious.
They want to help.
(17:48):
How do we help you get more ofthese kids in school?
Aidan Uttinger (17:54):
Well, I think one thing I should just touch on
quickly, which I haven'tclearly articulated yet, is that
the world's greatest experimentis obviously a new model for
helping people in this situation, but what we actually, what
we're actually doing, is we'regetting our donors together, the
donors that contribute amonthly amount, whether it's an
individual.
(18:15):
You can join our experiment asan individual or you can join as
a business, and, andessentially, everyone in the
experiment is the recipient ofall the love, from all the love
farms, from all the kids.
We have a community in thePhilippines where we get about
200 families, about a thousandpeople, who pay for their clean
water every month, with love, oh, through love.
Lyn Wineman (18:36):
So you have the school, plus you're doing a
water source in the Philippines.
Aidan Uttinger (18:42):
Wow, yes, and we have another love farm that
wants to open in India, whichwill be the next place as well.
But the way that this works iswhen we get people to join our
experiment, either as anindividual or a business.
They get to be the firstbusinesses or individuals to
stream love.
They'll have love meditated onthem every day for hours from
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all around the world, and themore people we get in the
experiments means the morecommunities like this, the more
schools, the more students, themore people we can help with
water, with food, with relief,the more love is coming to the
donors.
So we're very much at thebeginning of getting this
flywheel going where we've gotearly adopters who have gone.
I like this model, I like whatthis is doing.
(19:25):
I don't necessarily know whatthe love's going to do, but I'm
contributing just like I wouldto any other nonprofit.
It's to a great cause and I getthis little added bonus of this
stream of love coming to meLike I'm interested to see what
happens, like I'm interested tosee what happens.
So I think that's justimportant to let the listeners
(19:54):
know that by supporting us, whatyou're actually doing is you're
actually signing yourself up tobe the first humans in history
to stream love every day, andthat's where we're hoping to see
the benefits is not just inthese communities but with the
donors and the businesses thatcontribute.
Lyn Wineman (20:03):
You know, Aidan, I'm excited to say Kid Glolove
is coming on board as a donorand we're really excited.
But the same thing.
I have no idea what's going tocome of this, but it's got to be
good, right, Like it's got tobe good.
How could you harness love andhuman energy and not have that
be a fantastic situation, right?
Aidan Uttinger (20:24):
Yeah, it can only be a good thing.
And you know where we want toget it to is we track all the
love too.
So so, as we get a bit betterestablished, we have a platform
which is almost ready, whichwill allow people in the
experiment to actually see everyday, all the love where it's
coming from, how long.
How much love is coming fromPhilippines, from Nepal, from
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where it is, and they'll be ableto read about where the love's
come from, see things happeningin the community, get to develop
, I guess, gets to sort of knowthe people, the community, and
get to see firsthand some of thedifferences that they're making
by contributing, by being partof this experiment.
So it's really got a win foreverybody.
There's a win for you if you'redonating, you know, and you get
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all this love.
Well, who knows what's going?
Lyn Wineman (21:11):
to happen.
Who knows?
Right, I see a future for youin people gifting love to their
friends and family right thisyear for Christmas.
I'm gifting you love, rightLike absolutely.
Kind of a cool and fun thing todo, aidan, I love it yeah.
Aidan Uttinger (21:25):
Valentine's day coming up pretty great.
Uh, you know, for ourindividual experiment we we get
people that they commit for ayear because we have to be able
to sign up the kids the teachers, the families do it
sporadically, right.
Yeah, yeah.
But we do a hundred dollar amonth and you know that's a
pretty great present for yourloved one on Valentine's Day, is
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giving an entire year of lovestreaming to them and at the
same time, you're educating kidsand feeding.
You know, feeding and givingclean water to families that
need it.
It's really cool.
So I see gifting as a big partin the future too.
Lyn Wineman (22:02):
Fantastic Aidan.
As long as we're talking aboutthis, let's tell people how they
can find you, what, what isyour web address where they can
check this out?
Aidan Uttinger (22:11):
Yeah, so it's just the world's greatest
experimentcom.
Lyn Wineman (22:16):
Very good, the world's greatest experimentcom,
and we'll get that in the shownotes for everybody too.
So I can just go onto theKidGlove website and click right
on that link if they want to.
Aidan Uttinger (22:28):
Yeah, and just to give a little context too,
for people that might have acompany or a brand or be curious
about what we're talking about,is that the idea with
businesses is we want to createa platform where businesses who
contribute can actually gettheir products, services and
goods streaming love or maybeit's sending love to their
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customers or their clients.
They set the intention and andnow, for the first time in
history, we'll be able yourclients would be able to
actually scan a code on yourpackaging or on your website
which would link through to yourpage on the world's greatest
experiment showing yourcustomers and clients all the
love that's in your product orservice or that's streaming to
them for being a customer ofyours.
(23:10):
So, that just gives a littleidea about how we're
incorporating into the businessworld.
What about companies thatactually want to infuse love
into their products or services?
This is like the first way thatI'm aware of ever for a company
to do that in a way that'smeasurable, quantifiable and, I
believe, will help form reallystrong, long lasting, loyal
(23:31):
customer base sort ofrelationships with your clients
as well, because it's somethingthat a lot of people say they
put love into what they do.
Lyn Wineman (23:38):
but this is a way that you can actually do it yeah
.
Aidan Uttinger (23:41):
Yeah, and prove it yeah.
Lyn Wineman (23:43):
That's fantastic, aidan.
All right, I have to ask youthis how does someone like you,
with this entrepreneurialbackground, this tech background
, how do you get to this place,like how?
How did you get to the placewhere you woke up one day and
said this is what I'm going todo?
Aidan Uttinger (24:02):
Well, you know, it's been a journey and I don't
know that there's one singlemoment, but I will.
I will tell you the genesis ofthe idea, but I'd sort of in
hindsight now I can look backand see that it was really a lot
of little things over a longperiod of time, perfectly
orchestrated to get me to thispoint.
But I ran.
You know, I ran away as a kid.
(24:22):
I left New Zealand, where I'moriginally from, as a teenager
and I ended up finding myself,after a little bit of trouble
and some wrong turns, an illegalalien in the Philippines.
Basically, I had spun a globe,put my finger on it and decided
I was just going to go there andtry and start a new life.
And as an illegal alien there,without a visa or anything, I
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got taken in by a Filipinofamily who essentially saved my
life.
I feel like they gave me family, love, food, a roof over my
head and they never wantedanything for it.
But one day I asked my Filipinodad how I could ever repay him
for saving my life and he toldme that when I'm in a position
to pay it forward to somebody todo the same thing, give them
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some love, that he wouldconsider that debt repaid.
And when I thought about thatsimple request, it was amazing
because I realized that wouldcarry on, that one act of love
that he gave to me, if I pass itdown and the next person passes
it down, it would carry on foreternity.
And I just was fascinated bythat simple concept of how love
(25:26):
as an energy can just carry on.
And I made a promise to myselfin that moment that's over 25
years ago that I was going tofind a, find a way to pay back
or pay forward so much love,because just doing that for one
person and my that wouldn't showmy Filipino dad the gravity of
how much love I felt Like itwould.
I know it'd be beautiful, but Iwas like I want to show him
(25:47):
something bigger.
So I sort of planted that seed.
I have to come up with an ideathat could really show them that
by doing that one act of lovefor me like the world can be
different.
Because that one act and toshow that to the world too,
because I think that's a reallypowerful lesson right, if we can
all pay a little bit of loveforward to somebody that needs
(26:07):
it, we can start to show.
You know we can start to changethe world and because of
technology and what we'rebuilding you can see it Like, we
can have the record of it, howmuch love was sent, what
happened, how it affected theworld.
Lyn Wineman (26:30):
And that's exciting for me, you know, because we
can quantifiably you know,tangibly show what love is doing
, rather than it being thisethereal thing that we can't
touch or see.
You know, fantastic.
So I love the ripple effect ofthat right.
I mean a very kind and generousact from your Filipino family,
a very wise conversation withyour Filipino dad, you then
being inspired and now this,like going across the world.
(26:53):
I mean that that is not just aripple effect, it's kind of a
tidal wave, aiden, and I knowtidal waves aren't always
positive, right, but it's a kindof a tidal wave of love there
right, which that can't be a badthing, can it?
Aidan Uttinger (27:06):
That's exactly how I refer to it with my
friends.
Lyn Wineman (27:09):
Really.
Aidan Uttinger (27:09):
It's a tidal wave of love and I don't know.
There's a book that is calledPower Versus Force.
I don't know if you've read it.
Lyn Wineman (27:17):
I haven't, but I'm a reader, so I'm putting it on
the list right now.
Power versus force.
Aidan Uttinger (27:23):
Yeah, and he studies the energy that certain
words and frequencies andemotions have and I guess in
most things in life to get to atipping point.
You sort of get to this 51%right and you sort of start to
you get over, you sort of startto you get over the hump.
But what he discovered with loveis that the frequency of love
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is is so many orders ofmagnitude higher than, say,
frequency of of guilt and shame,which are the two lowest
vibrations that one personvibrating in a state of love can
offset about 120 000000 peoplein a state of guilt and shame.
So, just on a pure energetics,you start to understand that for
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every, for these 50 kids inthis school in Pakistan, you
know, those 50 kids meditatingfor that hour every day are
offsetting, you know, 7 million,8 million people who are in
guilt and shame.
So so that when you see thestate of the world sometimes and
you go man, it seems like isthis just too crazy of an idea?
(28:30):
It's like you, when youunderstand the science once
again, you're like no, you know,if we can get, if we can get 1%
less than that, but if we canget 1% of the world to get into
this state of love you know,once a day that would be enough
to offset, to literally create atighter wave of love that you
can't if you get in the way youjust get swept up in it now.
Lyn Wineman (28:53):
It's too strong.
I love it.
I got to stop saying that.
Announcer (28:54):
I keep saying that on this podcast.
Lyn Wineman (28:55):
I've noticed I have said I love it like at least a
dozen times and I even wrote itdown here.
Stop saying that.
But it's hard.
It's hard not to, because I dofeel like a lot of folks are in
a state of distress, a state ofguilt and shame, and a lot of
it's just like in our heads and,and you know, if what you're
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doing can help people overcomethat, I think that's really,
really a beautiful thing.
So, aidan, I'd love to ask you,like, what's on the horizon,
what's next?
You said, hey, maybe the nextproject is in India.
Like, how big does your dreamgo for this project?
Aidan Uttinger (29:39):
Well, like, I really believe that we can and
should have love as a currencyof the future, at least a
currency right.
And you know, I I believe thatif we have enough brave people,
enough people that can see whatwe're doing, enough people that
(29:59):
join this experiment and help usget that flywheel going, I
really believe that will, likeyou said, create this tidal wave
of love that will really startto show.
I think we can have schools allover the world, entire entire
communities where, uh, have comefrom extreme, in extreme
poverty, who are able to, whoare able to take care of
themselves, their communities,the kids, everyone they love, by
(30:23):
sending love every day.
You know, creating amarketplace for love, right,
that we can show the world thatit's really valuable, show
companies if they infuse loveand they become more profitable,
they have lower staff turnover,they have better relationships
with their customers.
If we can start to prove that,then we can create this shift
(30:43):
where businesses are like well,if I'm, or even consumers, start
demanding it, if I'm going tobuy food, I want food from them,
some, yeah, company that'sstreaming love to it because I
can, I know it's better for me,you know.
So I think we can createsomething here that can totally
grow exponentially faster thanthe problem.
If every food company on the onthe planet Was streaming love
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Was streaming love to it becauseyou simply had to.
When you realized that everyonewho was streaming love was that
much better, yeah, then weautomatically have enough to
take care of everyone that's inneed, everyone that's in poverty
, plus a lot more.
So it's really, you know, I seethe sky is the limit, but I
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also it's not.
I can't do it alone.
It's like we have to have theseother people that believe this
and I know that they're outthere, right that aren't afraid
to be the first companies tocome in and actively say to
their clients that we'restreaming love to.
You know, your favorite wine,or your water, or your muesli
bars, or fruit and vegetablesand and whole foods is streaming
(31:48):
love.
Now, you know, and I think whenenough, you know, when some
people start having you knowsaying, hey, I'll be the first
in history to stream love to acompany, right, I think we'll
start a movement, and thatmovement could be extremely
impactful.
Lyn Wineman (32:29):
You know, I want to drive in a car that's powered
by love and fly on an airplanethat's protected by love and
right.
Like put about harnessing loveand energy as a currency.
I mean, what do you say to thepeople who question it?
Aidan Uttinger (32:36):
well, I mean, look one, there's lots of
science out there, there's lotsof research out there.
But two, like, like, we'realready seeing it, it already
works.
I mean, when you see the lookof the face of these kids, these
parents in in pakistan breakingdown, crying as we interviewing
them on how this has impactedthem, their life you know their
(32:58):
lives because they want, justlike anybody, their kids to have
an opportunity and this isgiving them an opportunity, it's
already working.
Like we might not be able tosay, here's this incredible
miracle that's happened for herdonor yet and it's attributed to
love because, you know, wehaven't got there yet.
But I can tell you that everyday for these kids, they're
experiencing a miracle.
These community, this communityin the philippines that hasn't
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had clean water, something assimple as now, all of a sudden,
then they're meditating twice.
Each family meditates twice amonth for an hour, and that pays
for their clean water for themonth.
So these 2000 people in thiscommunity, you know, they're
experiencing this love as amiracle already, you know, and
what's really cool with it isit's not.
It's not a charity anymore.
Lyn Wineman (33:43):
It's not like they're returning the currency.
Aidan Uttinger (33:47):
Exactly, exactly , and that's that's really
incredible, because they valueit more.
They start to.
We're already seeing that.
You know they feel valued.
They're like, hey, we don'thave money, we don't have, we
didn't have an education, but ifyou can teach us to do
something, that's valuable, weknow our love has got a value
and it's changing the povertymindset.
(34:07):
It's literally helping thembreak free of the poverty
mindset.
I can see it already with thekids and we're only four months
or so, four or five months intothe school, right, so yeah, it's
exciting.
I think we're going to see somereally incredible stuff as time
progresses with this.
Lyn Wineman (34:24):
Aidan, I have to ask you do you have any?
I mean, you've kind of alludedto some big picture stories, but
do you have any favoritestories that have happened in
these first few months?
Aidan Uttinger (34:34):
I mean, it's like to be like to give you an
idea.
At the moment we have threecompanies and we have probably
we've gotten maybe 30 or 40people in the experiments.
I mean, we are really new.
We haven't been marketing, asyou know, we're sort of
bootstrapping this thing and amiracle to me is that just from
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that small amount of people thathave gone yeah, I'll be part of
this experiment Just from thatsmall group, there's 2000 people
getting fresh water in thePhilippines, there's 50 kids who
each of those kids has brothersand sisters.
They all have a parent orparents.
So there's already probably2,000 people that are somehow
(35:19):
affected by the generosity ofjust three companies and a
handful of individuals.
Because your money goes so muchfurther in some of these places
, right, Absolutely.
Because your money goes so muchfurther in some of these places
, right, Absolutely.
That's a miracle to me.
Like I can't believe that wehave a school in Pakistan and
we've been able to do that withjust these people saying you
know, we'll be part of thisexperiment.
(35:39):
So for me, that's been it sofar, and seeing the looks on the
faces of the kids and thecommunity and stuff, but it's,
but I it's, it's beautiful.
It's also frustrating in a way,because I can see how, where
this could go.
And you know, I want, I want, Iwant to find the tribe, the
people out there that understandwhat we're doing and want to be
(36:00):
part of it, because it's been alonely journey to get it to
this point.
It gets better every day as morepeople hear about it and
support and come, come.
It gets better every day asmore people hear about it and
support and come, come into thissort of circle.
But I can really see usbuilding just this phenomenal
community of heart led peoplearound the world, who, who are
all streaming love into theirlives and all you know, doing
their bit to help make the worlda better place.
And and yeah, I have no doubtthat the miracles and the
(36:24):
evidence, if you like, will come, but the, you know, as far as
I'm aware, that, as far as I'mconcerned, the, the evidence is
already there.
I'm already feeling it.
If I have a bad day, I justthink about all these kids that
if I hadn't have put this crazyidea together, right, who's?
Their lives already changed?
and who knows, maybe them will,one of them will grow up to be
the prime minister one day.
(36:44):
Who knows?
You just never know.
And but but what I do know isthat from these small acts of
love, like the seed, can growinto something, because if it
wasn't for that thing thathappened to me 25 years ago,
this project wouldn't exist.
So we may not I may not live tosee it, I may not ever know the
true effect of it, but I knowthat it's doing something you
(37:05):
know.
Lyn Wineman (37:05):
Absolutely Well, aidan, I hope that this, this
podcast and our listeners fromthe Agency for Change, like I'm
happy to shine a light on theexperiment and the work that
you're doing, and I hate to sayit, but our time is coming to an
end because I feel like to askyou my favorite question,
(37:28):
because you're kind of aninspiring person who's doing
really inspiring work, and oneof the questions I've asked on
every single episode of thispodcast is can you give us an
Aidan Utinger original quote.
Aidan Uttinger (37:43):
Oh man, I'm trying to think You've put me on
the spot with this.
I'm trying to think it, Ithought you've put me on the
spot with this.
There's a, there's a few thingsthat I've that I've come up
with over the time, which I,which I can't quite recall what
they are, but I don't know.
I guess the one, the one nuggetthat I, that I just want to
(38:03):
remind people of, is only, islike a quote or saying, but we
and we touched on it already isjust, is just, you know, like
love is like a seed, right, likesmall acts of love are like a
tiny seed that, if you plantthem in the right place, which
is really where they're needed,you know, they can grow into
(38:23):
incredible, incredible thingsthat can change their
environment, change, changepeople's lives, can impact them.
And and and I just, I just wouldencourage people to to always
think about that, you know,because we sometimes don't think
that something as simple asjust smiling to a stranger or
(38:44):
something, but you know, couldmake a difference, but that
literally could be the seed thatthey needed at that moment,
which can change the life oftheir spouse and their kids and
future for them.
And so I know that's not reallya quote and it's a lot too long
to write down, but just be thatawareness of that Cause I've
seen it firsthand in my life andI see it, you know, with what
(39:04):
we're doing, and I just think ifpeople could understand that
sometimes it's these smallthings, like the biggest,
strongest things come from thesetiny little seeds, you know.
And so, yeah, I always think oflove like that, and try and
plant as many of those seeds asI can, you know.
Lyn Wineman (39:22):
Yeah, I think we're lucky that you're out there
planting those seeds, AidanAidan.
I want to wrap up with one lastquestion here, because, as we
end this great conversation,what would you say is the most
important thing you would likeour listeners to remember about
the work that you're doing?
Aidan Uttinger (39:42):
I would love for everyone listening, if it
resonates, to reach out.
We're small enough now.
We'd love to just have you inthe community, even if even if
you're not a donor, you know,like, just I want, I want people
to be aware of what we're doing, because I know that the power
is in the numbers and as westart to get more and more
people thinking this way andjust following along because
(40:04):
they're going to see miracles,they're going to see things if
they just follow what we'redoing, and I think that that's
going to inspire, inspire peoplejust in the early stages right
now.
But I just encourage you to keepan ear to the ground on what
we're doing and, and you know,if you come across a company or
something that says they putlove in their product, tell them
about the world's greatestexperiment.
(40:25):
And I just, you know, I findthat this is the kind of thing
that sticks in people's head.
If you've got a certain levelof consciousness and you think
about this kind of thing and yousometimes get overwhelmed with
you know how we can make theworld better.
When sometimes it seems likewith what's going on, it's just
so crazy.
It's like, uh, you know it's,it's nice to know there's
something out there that thatcould be.
Lyn Wineman (40:46):
it could be a solution for it, so yeah, I
promised myself I wasn't goingto say the word love one more
time, but I love what you'redoing and I fully believe that
the world needs more people likeyou, more projects like the
world's greatest experiment.
I really encourage people tocheck it out.
Aidan Uttinger (41:05):
Just thank you for taking time to share with us
today thank you, and thanks tokid glove too, for being the the
fourth company on the wholeplanet to infuse love into their
work and their customers andtheir clients, because we're so
happy to have you part of it anduh, and helping us on our
journey aiden, we like to sayyou can't spell kid glove
without love.
Lyn Wineman (41:25):
So I think this is a perfect match.
Aidan Uttinger (41:27):
I love it.
I love it there.
It there you go.
Lyn Wineman (41:29):
Now I'm saying it Now you're saying it All right,
thanks so much, aiden.
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