Aggressively Uninterested #1 - JDAWG (Dead By DAWG)

Proud to debut the first episode of the Aggressively Uninterested podcast. The Aggressively Uninterested Podcast dives head first into the deep end of the cutting edge to explore the methods of madness from content creators, creative entrepreneurs and visionary outsiders.

This first episode is with JDAWG ( @justinhorval8491 ) from Cleveland based record label HELL'S HEADBANGERS. JDAWG (or Justin as real life people call him) runs the day to day operations of Hell's Headbangers with his two brothers Eric and Chase. They have worked full time to spread true underground metal for the greater part of two decades now and show no signs of slowing down. JDAWG has also attracted quite a bit of attention to his YouTube channel recently based on his videos sharing opinons and stories in underground metal. I sat down with him to discuss all of this and more in the first episode of Aggressively Uninterested.

Episode Transcript

(00:00):
We record right now? Yeah. Cool. Cool. Um, we don't have to keep it in. So we're just so what I do is bad

(00:05):
Good i'm i'll tell you like I don't know how to do shit on this stuff. What I do is I hit record
Yeah, I hit stop and I load that yeah, and I don't even know dude. I don't even have an editor
Yeah, I I know the thing is I but I the thing is dude is because i'm i'm the biggest creature of habit
Yeah, that I don't really want to learn and I I hate technology. So it's
Of course, it's a youtube fucking research away to learn. I just hate I just hate that crap

(00:29):
But I do want to learn the editing just because there's a lot of lines I use
Yeah, yeah to where like influenced by a movie or came from a movie that I want to insert that clip, you know
Yeah, yeah, if you're saying predator or something that's actually one of them dylan son of a bitch
Yeah, exactly. I want to insert you like that. I think it's twice of the videos totally well
And there's probably dudes who like don't get it

(00:50):
Oh, I know, you know what? I mean 100 dude 100 dude. It blows my mind like one of the main references I use that uh,
Uh fits the bill and a lot of shit like dude. I didn't make that up. That's from that joe
Mushroom head prank called, you know that black man. Oh, yeah, of course
There's people that to this day even actually my good friend brian woody. He's from cleveland. Okay, he never even heard it
I'm a bad motherfucker. It's the funny. Yeah, the funny thing is I was like how have you never heard this dude?

(01:15):
Brian what he was um, he was uh roommates with jim sadist jim khan yeah, yes, and i'm sorry. They're roommates
That's how I met woody. Okay, jim's the one that sent me and my brothers that video. Okay, and we were was a video
It's just audio at the time. I were laughing. Yeah, so about six months ago
So it got brought up me and woody or text and he didn't even know about it
I'm like, okay what like how do you like so then when I put that I was like, oh well dude

(01:38):
If you don't know about it half these people watch my channel don't know about it
Totally and and a lot of movie references I say I dude I know for it goes
Over people's heads all the time. Uh, the call is legendary
We send joe off her chip back and forth to each other all the time. Oh me and my friends. Yeah
You know, I mean if we're hanging out it could um,
Spontaneously go into horny with the chick. Yeah. Yeah, you know, I mean like whatever I forgot all about that

(02:02):
Yeah singing there horny with the oh, I mean, it's like the most like ridiculous level 10 autism
Just hilarious, you know, I'll tell you it's funny joe off her story. I don't know if I told her on camera or not
I might not have
Uh the first time I met this guy now i've always seen him at shows from years and you're like, oh
I just see this older guy and you're like, oh, that's the satanic kind of guy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, like, oh, okay, whatever cool

(02:24):
um
He comes up to me. It was um
I think we were destroying or maybe uh, chuck was just during for us and I was just looking at the pen
This is a few years ago and he did he walks up to me. He's like, hey, uh, and he keep my eyes
He's never I never talked to this guy. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, does it take steroids to look like that?
Yeah, and i'm just like luckily i'm like dude, let me give you a piece of advice

(02:46):
You don't walk up to a stranger and ask that i literally know guys in the body of the world
They would knock your fucking teeth out literally for walking up and ask a stranger like that. You just don't say that
Yeah, it's just the fact that he had he's just so out there gone that he didn't even think and it's not like he's a kid
He's like, yeah, he's old
But but he's like dude, don't go up to a stranger and ask that get the gnome first and you know then not

(03:09):
That's the first thing you ask before even asking their name
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I mean definitely
autism level um
Fucking hilarious, dude. Um, I I hope I could sit down with him at some point
You might be able to my brother craig when he was doing the hell cast he did an interview with him
Okay, it was over the phone or something. Yeah. I mean I see people I think fucking um, you know the kid, uh

(03:31):
Alex go man, dude, he went they went over to his house for some reason. Yeah
He said he's always selling said he bought some demos or something. Yeah. Yeah, so that would be legendary
Um, I don't see dude. I can't imagine the guy's busy from what I understand. He doesn't have a job
No, no, no, he has all the time in the world. Yeah, so why would he say no? So
um
What a great way to start with our uh, love for joe offrick shout out to joe offrick

(03:55):
I don't even know the guy dude. That's I only met him like a half a second after that
I don't have anything bad about him to say and I don't have anything good. I just don't know
I just know from the black metal joe phone call. He fucking knows hilarious. We threw a gig. So I used to have um,
Um, my buddy used to have a house on the east side. We threw a gig at um, it was h.o.d from texas
Yeah, yeah, yeah
Um abysmal lord, so he's at that gig. He brings his video camera. He's like i'm gonna film the show for you guys

(04:19):
He gives us a tape back. It's nothing but just the asses of the girl in the audience
I didn't film the band for a second. He gives it to us like it's like like we're gonna be stoked on it
And it's like you know, you know, it's free on the internet dude, like I don't you don't need to go risk your uh,
Freedom this film girls and that that that that we the
I find that to be the weirdest thing ever like just for example

(04:40):
Like part of the reason I brought my wife on the channel a few times
Yeah, is because i'll say oh, I know if they see a female that's gonna get more views
Okay, they would they would by far like for example like now she stopped coming
I actually i'm tired of hearing these retards in the comments. Yeah, me I was like is I don't give a fuck
Yeah, they say she's you know, she's a girl. She doesn't like hearing stuff about it, but it's funny
I was like dude, you realize like porn literally fucking porn is free

(05:02):
That's why why are you excited or for example bands with a female fronted singer?
Sometimes it gets popular because there's I told the arch enemy story dude. I saw arch enemy for the first time
It was in 1999 the flying machine. Okay, it was the original singer
I think johan or something because I like the first three arch enemy albums. Okay, and uh, i'm surprised to hear that from you
But could but keep going. Yeah. Yeah, most people are yeah

(05:23):
I like the early ones and then when that album wages a sin, it was the first female singer
Okay, I didn't really like it, but I don't think it's terrible anyways. I think it's just
Yeah, melodic metal record. I'm like, whatever. Yeah. Yeah, I saw him on that tour too. Keep in mind
It's like two years later. It's like I think that was 2001. Yeah, that's what the chick singer dude
Is that they're gore and it was packed to the gills. Yeah. Yeah flying machine. I'm not even joking
There was maybe maybe 30 people there. That's where I met michael amat and shit. Okay from carcass

(05:48):
I knew what that it was easy to me because there there was nobody there awesome and two years later now
They got a chick singing
They blow the fuck up. I'm like
Again, I guess genius marketing movement. They know if I was like you guys are that excited to see a girl
Like you never seen tits. I'm like it's online for free
Like why do you need why do you need a band or a youtube video for that?
Or people that buy like only fans for girls. I'm like, yeah, dude

(06:10):
Even if she is full-blown having sex on there, you can get it for free. I don't
Or you could or you could go meet a real girl. I see but that is
Beyond yes, do you meet some of these people?
I mean someone when it's like dude, I know i'm shocked. They know how to tie the shoes
You know, I mean totally so I could see why they're not getting pussy
Definitely. Yeah, there are some guys I meet i'm like dude

(06:32):
I'm pretty sure there's no chick on earth that will let you stick your dick in there
That's a lot of the people to see it's totally true
And I love that you are not afraid to call that out, you know, it's funny as um
I thought so when I was doing the channel

(06:52):
Which I wasn't even my idea to do people were telling me to do it. So when I was helping craig do the uh,
Hell cast which was our podcast and then he kind of took it and ran off with it. Okay. All right
It's not really what it was set up for it's called hell cast. That's a hell side thing. Yeah
Yeah, whatever not even getting an argument about it. Just whatever do do what you want to do
And when I went on there people wanted me to start my own channel and I did

(07:15):
start my own channel and I did so I just ran with talking the way that I knew and the same because
I said I've you know growing up with you know, jim and don primarily
That's the way he talked you just kind of busted balls
You made fun of bands that you didn't like and that they liked they didn't like a band like
They'd rip on me for like it because for example, they don't like the 90s stuff. They didn't cannibalism. That's like stupid

(07:35):
Okay, I mean that's like 80s shit, you know, I mean
So jim to be like i'd be like yeah, dude, you like fucking monstrosity. All the demos were great
Well, you didn't like the album. Ah, dude, it sucked. Yeah mean it sucked
But that was how we talked. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I started the channel. I thought I legitimately thought
That's how everybody in the metal scene kind of talked amongst your peers and buddies

(07:56):
Dude, 100% so to me, I was just like i'm not even doing anything. I was like, yeah
I just figured oh because I didn't watch any other metal youtube channels. Yeah. Yeah, I didn't watch any like none
So I was like, oh, that's just what everybody's doing and then I find out it's not and i'm like, oh
I thought that was just the norm
So I was the same way my band one time my band was playing this is all the way back 2014
We're playing in canada and we're grindcore band. So I said something along the lines of you know, get up. Um,

(08:21):
You guys look like faggots
To the audience. Yeah, never even crossed my mind that someone would like take that as
I'm trying to hurt them or i'm trying like it's just funny like, you know, the words totally it's wrestlers
There's my keys mo we it was hilarious. We got so they start throwing beers at us while we're playing
You know, I mean we're packed in the house and i'm thinking oh, they love it. It's rowdy. You know what I mean?

(08:42):
30 seconds later. They pull the plug. They're like your that's done because you said that you know
It's funny about that that just shows the wimpification of the nation
Yeah, and then that that that that wimpification has spilled into our metal scene
Which it never should have and i'll give you two examples and these are verifiable
Yeah, I can't work. I can't recall if I need to dig it up. I will because I own it
There's a slayer. I i'm a big bootleg click. Yeah, I love it. Okay. Yeah, yeah

(09:04):
And I own a bunch of if it's uh rain and blood down. I love those slayer bootlegs, especially if they're decent sounding
Even if it's a decent sounding show doesn't have to be a great hilarious banter too. Correct. Especially when uh,
Tom's drunk and yeah
One of them on one of the shows I I own the lp
So if you don't believe me I could dig it up tell you the title you go discog the motherfucker because it's yeah

(09:26):
He literally says something because the crowd's like bunch of fucking faggots back there
Yeah, so slayer who you think the other says that it's on recording. I have it
Well, and furthermore another example, which is verifiable. It's official release, which I want to do a vinyl for and I said on levity
Listen to levity show us her tits. That was one of my favorite live
um

(09:47):
Live death metal recordings ever part of it's because the stage banner and he goes like man bunch of fags around here you guys
You must your ladies must be young have he's calling them fags. That's hilarious thrown out like when that came out
people in the scene
Nobody thought anything of it like that's what I it's because the wimps are spilling in the scene dude and people allowing them in
Like dude back in the day too at that same time when I love video. This is a 99

(10:10):
2,000 2001 I know I was there I seen it you realize anal blast had a shirt
It had a logo and it said at least i'm not gay
That was the slogan corpse gristle records had the shirts no gay black metal
Yeah, that was normal to see that walking around at a show was
Normal, you saw it every show
100 now it's again you're letting all these wimps in and the problem is is that

(10:34):
this was a form of uh, uh music that's supposed to be fueled on testosterone and rebellious and
Uh misfits and we were supposed to be outcasts
Now you're letting all these normies and shit in if you want to come in that's fine, but don't be trying to call the shots
I completely agree. I'm so glad you got to that
I had this all written down and I didn't even have to fucking ask we just got straight into it

(10:59):
Even better, but I totally agree because that's what I wanted to ask is
You know when I got into it
That's how I perceived it. Yeah, this is for this is my quesmo. This is testosterone
Yeah, this is for misfits. This is for outcasts
Would you say it's inherently I would say it's inherently blue collar

(11:20):
working class
Music, yeah, because I think from my perspective and tell me what you think about this
There's an element of you're you're not trained as a musician. Yeah, typically this isn't like a
He didn't for drummer for cannibal corpse. I forget his story. He's like I was self-taught. I guess he plays so unconventional
It's not even funny. You see it actually in um

(11:41):
If you're watching I think it's either centuries of tournament
It's the making of of one of them where he goes it on there. Yeah an evisceration plague. I think which is 2006 mind you
Yeah, he goes. I just started playing to a metronome. Yeah
So because he's just like 20 years into their careers when he started practicing to a metronome
Yeah, he said he just kind of was doing it like what he felt comfortable
He's like but you're like that's not how you're supposed to do when you can even hear it either even on hammer smash face

(12:04):
There's a part where he does this phil
you know what you said because uh,
I was recently gonna talk about that album or whatever because uh
Uh, I I try to interview chris barnes up here and he basically said they're not doing any uh
Interviews on tour. I'm like, oh fuck. I was like we're all off for a flyout. So whatever that's not the point
But I was gonna bring up because I and it's not the suck dick because like I truly mean it

(12:24):
I've always said I think tune the mutilated is the greatest death metal record of all time and part of it is
The vocals everything about it and I I love how the blasts sound on it because it has its own identity
100 a lot of bands like yeah, this is very very fast. He's a good drummer
I was like, but it blends in like I can't tell apart. There's certain blast drums. I could tell apart
Two of the mutilated is one the early sinister's with the a d odd where the fuck his name is

(12:47):
He had a drum sound that a blast. I'm like you could tell uh, that's the what is the second drummer
Whoever whoever plays up the drummer on um forget his goddamn name is um, but he plays on emulation for um
Close to world below and failures for gods that his drum sound on that like it's I it's identifiable
I was about to bring that up with emulation. Yeah, because emulation has that it says a sound

(13:08):
Because it's it's not like in a it's almost like not in a time signature and I I didn't notice this
All right. I didn't really think about it till I was there's one day
I'm just chilling in the embalmer dude's room and i'm seeing it and they'll have a riff where
It's not right. It's not in for there's an extra couple notes or something and it's

(13:29):
That's just part of it being an organic thing made by people that are untrained
And that's what's awesome. That's how you can tell it has that it gives a character. Otherwise it just becomes it sounds like a
Machine made it it sounds like computeristic totally. Um, it loses all the feeling and I don't I don't understand especially with bands like

(13:49):
the bigger bands
And I say bigger bands because they've been around a longer time
It doesn't matter if you talk about exune cannibal dying feasts doesn't really talk about black metal, whatever i'm like
All these guys I know for a fact because I've met them all talk to them all some i'm friends with
Your favorite albums are
Sodom obsessed by cruelty possess seven churches
Even the misfits primitive shit that has it's very um amateurish the way it's played. Yeah, those are your favorite albums

(14:15):
100 but you're trying to perfect the living shit out of your stuff
So if you so if you uniformly agree the best stuff is this primitive stuff
Why are you perfecting yours?
That doesn't make any sense to me. Just like when exune re-recorded gore metal and I could say it publicly
I told matt harvey to his face. I think I even told him on interview. Sure. Um, you didn't need to rerecord gore metal, dude

(14:36):
I was like it sounded phenomenal because you know like how it sounded like dude, that's literally like
You would say the same if jeff becerra was like we were recording seven churches
You'd be like no way bro. That sounds great. Mm-hmm
Is that is that how you felt about those sepulchral ones?
You know, what's funny is I that is what I thought when they did them
But when I heard them, I was like these are actually pretty good
I I did I actually haven't listened to them. So you feel like they did them justice. Yeah

(14:57):
Yeah, now grand mom, am I gonna buy them or something? No, because i'll just resort to listening to originals anyways
Yeah, but um, I I was surprised that i'm like, oh this doesn't suck
He even tried to sing like he did back then. Okay, he wasn't singing like
I'm like dude, come on. This is bad if you're trying to do that
You try to uh, like it did do it justice, but the way I would have released
I think the most justifiable way to do it if you were going to do it

(15:20):
Is exune did do it with gore metal and malignancy did it with intruding cannibals?
And again another record I told danny nelson to his face on camera completely unnecessary to re-record it
But when they did do it they put they only released it as a double disc
You got the original and you got the re-record. It's at least put out as like a reissue
Yeah, so I think that's the most respectable way to do it
Okay, because at least you could and plus as a new fan if they pick them up they can listen to

(15:43):
They at least have the option to hear both
And I agree that
You know once you're thinking like that as a band that's touring now for if you're trying to get a new audience
You know, I mean that is a barrier of entry
Um is the recording quality for because to to hear, you know, I mean
I I know
You see a lot of kids now hardcore adjacent death metal bands death metal revival bands

(16:08):
I don't think they're going to be listening to
Recaputre faction. No, you know like it's no it's a big barrier of entry because they're they're going to hear something like
Deathcore. Yeah, something like that. And then it's for what they have now
May I get stomp stuff or whatever? It's not too much of a stretch from that
And then but so I get it if they want to do that. Um, if that turns people on to um

(16:33):
Sepultura schizophrenia
Cool. No, but I agree that
And that's what I wanted that's what I really wanted to get at here and again, I'm glad we got right into it
when you're talking about
Um having the kids come in and you're saying hey, you know, this was

(16:54):
This was the code of conduct when we had original gigs
Dudes were busting each other's balls. It's dudes hanging out. You know what I mean? And like I said same thing with me
When I was a dude growing up with other dudes you bust each other's balls. Yeah, and you talk shit
Yeah, plus you gotta remember I grew up with five five brothers
And we're gonna get we're gonna get into that for sure. Maybe that's same thing

(17:16):
So what me so I try to like I you know, what big thing I do whether realize people realize
I'm not in my surprise a lot of people I try to play devil's advocate
Me too, like I don't follow politics at all. Yeah, but if the topic does come up
I try to look at both sides and see where they're coming from on both sides me too because usually in the most things
There's nothing on the left. Nothing on the right. It's in the middle. I think and I completely agree

(17:38):
So I try to fall in the middle. So when they're saying this I try to somewhat
Understand where they're coming from. I'm like, well, maybe it's because I grew up with five brothers
Maybe they're an only child and they don't realize this is how you're supposed to talk
I appreciate that the benefit of the doubt. Yeah, but at the same time
When I when I get attacked in my comments, which is great because more common the more comments it just leads to algorithm

(17:59):
Yeah, you'll click. Excuse me a deleting comments. What are you talking about? Why the fuck would I do that?
I think you're only helping me. Yeah, yeah, so no
One you're an idiot and number two, but when they come attack minutes comments about hey, you said this or whatever. I'm like
Again, I'm trying to sympathize and being like maybe they don't understand that they grow up that way. I was like but number one
It's free entertainment. So you don't like it change the fucking channel set a bitch in number fucking two

(18:23):
I've already clarified it many times as little as five times possibly as many as 10
That I'm primarily fucking around and it's for entertainment
Yeah, so it's like it's not even like a
It's this ongoing thing where you're like
Like for example, like if you're trying to critique like varg from burzum, you're like, uh his stance on whatever. I don't agree with it

(18:44):
He's never clarified said hey, i'm not you just you just left out in the air. I've clarified what my stance
Oh, yeah, if you're too fucking stupid after that, you still get upset to get upset because they do. Yeah. Yeah, so like dude every day
You can almost for sure
Uh, so some of the comments dude, I can't believe you think this or said that i'm like

(19:06):
Change the fucking channel and you got a problem change the channel and again i've already clarified it
So I think that's important that that's and that's what I want to hone in on and we'll go a little deeper with that
We'll cycle back to this. I just want to hone in on
Contextualizing your viewpoint
In a minute we're gonna I would like you to start from the very beginning and just explain for the people

(19:26):
My goal here is for the people that um
You have your friends that watch your channel
And they're into what you're saying. They already know your background
Uh, not all not the entire not the entire surprise dude. Yeah, you'd be surprised like some people like i'm just like
I don't even know why you're watching
Because it's like i'm like number one. It's like I don't i'm pretty sure you never placed an order for hellside bangers

(19:46):
You don't know who else had bangers is you don't know who I am and you're clearly getting pissed off by the comments i'm making
Why are you even? I like I don't understand like why you watch and that blows my mind that they would even try it
It's like I because I don't want I personally that's like me being like
I've never played golf. I have no interest in playing golf. I don't want to play golf
That's like me going to watch tiger woods if you had a youtube channel and talking shit and getting mad

(20:09):
Yeah, why why I don't there's that doesn't that doesn't make any sense. No dog in the race. Yeah. Yeah
So there's some and then there's people um
Um, there's a lot of screenshots where because you have a very um sensationalist attention getting titles
um
Yeah, yeah, uh twin core. I love twin core

(20:29):
Yeah, you know i'm actually pretty proud of that one too because I just came off the cuff
Yeah, I realized I said it and I was thinking i'm like because a lot of stuff I do say for example
Down with the devil or darkness and evil again that came in the jone call
Yeah, yeah, a lot of the stuff where people like oh dog so hilarious. I'm like, well, thanks
But I was like that's not my line. Yeah, it was my line and i'm thinking like
I was like did I pick that up from anybody and slipped out?

(20:51):
I was like fuck that's all me
I was like I was I've never heard anyone because I couldn't think of anyone else that said it. Yeah
Now people say it so you're proud of twin core. Yeah. Yeah, because I that's actually my creation
A lot of them that people like i'm like I was like i'm flattered but I was like I didn't make that up. Yeah
Um, or was a story that jim said was a story that dot for example the sup devils. Yeah. Yeah
That was that jim. That's jim. He's during spawn of satan. That's how he was going doubles

(21:15):
Okay, devils again. I mean, yeah, if you listen if you're actually not a fucking poser and you listen to spawn of satan, which is fantastic
Um, there's a double discography that was put out where reaper metal records were sold out now
We're supposed to be getting the last of them to check out in hell's headbangers
Uh spawn of satan was if you know the history talking about going to bang spawn of satan was the first release hell's headbangers ever put out
Okay, split cd spawn of satan and bloodsick bloodsick was pre uh,

(21:36):
Uh solace, okay jim babucci sings on it's okay. Uh, the bloodsick stuff's pretty good, too
It's pretty good thrash. It's not great, but it's good. Yeah, yeah, but the spawn of satan's awesome
It's got a dr. Claw fucking vocals awesome death thrash
And uh, and i've seen spawn of satan the first show others and like there's that split with non-slaughter live cd
I was at that show all the shit. I was at that's what jim said

(21:58):
It's help devils. Yeah
And that's where I got it from and it was in homage number one. I thought it says hey guys instead of saying like that
Yeah, yeah, everybody does and it was uh paying homage to jim because he was like my friends and without him or don
House headbangers wouldn't exist
Swann is saying like I said jim came up to us. Hey, do you want to we were just doing this as a distro to sell?

(22:18):
Uh, we started hell's headbangers to sell
The CDs and records that we bought
For our collection that you're like, oh man, this one sucked. How do you get rid of it?
Yeah, yeah, so we started a website because we were just selling it like because it's not a used condition
We would dude we were like we would even like touch the fucking booklets and shit with our hands. You got gloves on
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah, it's a pristine condition. Like if it had a nick on it didn't want it

(22:41):
So it's a perfect condition still. Yeah, so we sell so we start a website for that and it builds up builds up
Then we started wholesaling stuff like whoa. Hey, you know, we're all buying the new exhumed album
So we're buying three already as is me eric and chase
Why don't we just ask for a wholesale rate by five or six get them all at eight bucks?
So we each get our own for eight instead of 12 and then sell the rest on the site

(23:01):
That's how the business started
Jim for whatever reason thought his mind
Do a label. Yeah, maybe thought we're trying to start maybe didn't understand the business. It's probably the most likely
Hey, do you guys want to put my cd out?
Well, I don't we don't have to do that. He explained it to us how much it costs where to go. Oh, sure
We could do that. Yeah, then from there he introduced us to don and our first vinyl release ever was non-slaughter

(23:23):
Sentinix sentinix from sweden split seven inch. Okay without them
Hell's headbangers wouldn't exist and I fully uh, um, i'm appreciative of that and I and I always say that I have no problems saying
Hey, we wouldn't exist. I don't have an ego. I don't care. Oh, yeah, I don't have any problem saying it
So if I could pay homage, especially for the guy's dead in my own way
But that's what I will and that's what I did

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You know what I mean? That's a lot of lines through a lot of should I say and stuff like that was for me and jim argument conversations
Just having fun awesome people will never know about yeah, but so that's why between core. That's all me
You know what I mean? So you should be proud of twink. Yeah. Yeah, there's a few others. I forget what the ones I was like
Oh, I actually didn't make that one up
Uh, and that's great. We got into that because that's what I wanted to do from the beginning just for people like i've been around

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You know, I mean i've been in metal bands. I live here. I actually grew up right here in brunswick
Oh, I grew up in medina. Well, I was born in cleveland, but we grew up we move out medina. That was my first question
Yeah, yeah, okay
I'm river sticks road. Okay over on river sticks and it's funny
Uh, that's when I first met jim again
We saw him at shows um

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And we always saw the guy with the red pants and knew what he was but he officially came up to us
I think in 99 or 2000
And he asked uh, where he lived. Well, we live in medina. Oh shit. Okay
He said I make deliveries and stuff in the medina. He's like what part of area is like oh we're on river sticks roads
Like river sticks across the sticks cross the sticks and I was like, oh you like sinister just the first record. I'm like, yeah
What what this is my first man like?

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Wait a minute. You don't like diabolical something. Yeah, not really. Okay. Like the demo was the first album like
The fuck that was my first introduction to that shit
And then you're talking to the to the demo only mentality. Yeah. Yeah, I never heard this
I wanted and I want I I definitely wanted to get into that with you and it's funny to have you say
Here's it because I think to most people it's like that's what you're king gatekeeper exactly. No. Yeah

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No, that's why I thought it's hilarious. I'm like dude back then they gave me a
Dude back then they considered me like dude. You like every dude even craig my brother younger brother
Yeah, because he's way picky too. He barely even liked death metal. Yeah, yeah like thrash and shit like that
He used to say here's like but dude you like fucking everything. Yeah, that's what he'd say for me
So people that I'm a gatekeeper. I'm like I was pretty loose dude

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I mean like again Jim
He likes cross the sticks and the demos in the seven inch by the sensor only not even the second album
But mind you diabolical something the second album
That's my favorite album and I go all the way up to the first chick album creating killings with that to be their sixth record
like the first six fucking records
we mean like demo only I mean and some of the shit that people say you like demo only i'm like

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Yeah, yeah, dude, because after the demo they drastically changed
I'm like, it's not it's like that's and I can't think of who all time ahead
but but I saw that and I was thinking about this because I'm watching I'm watching you hanging out with
Don and
And um, yeah. Yeah with your brothers and they're talking about because I I thought all the don
Oh, you're talking about the don my brother's an apnar one. Yeah. Yeah, excuse me. Um

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Because i'm thinking because to me i'm like
When I think i'm like alters of madness is way heavier than abomination or it's way faster
Yeah, you know, I mean whatever so i'm thinking I go what what is their reasoning behind saying?
Oh, i'm only abominations of desolation and I go
So my assumption was I think that they just have some they have they have memories attached to it or something

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I know what the reason is if you want to know did I ever tell you?
I'll be going why don't I explain it explain it?
Uh, so we'll propose well, I can't speak for jim because he died before and he had the same mentality
He didn't like alters as well. Okay, other than he just said
Um, pete is terrorizers drummer not more than angels
He kind of just left it at that and he said when terrorizer world downfall came out

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It's like I stopped practicing drums. So there's no reason to practice. You're not getting any better than that
It's like well, you still get better. Yeah
But whatever i'm that's him kind of saying that sarcastic. I get it, but he's a drummer
But yeah, yeah, if someone doesn't know this is from the perspective of a drummer. It's funny
Don told me actually this is a recent time. I think I said on the channel and I was like I actually never
Thought about that. That's actually a pretty good point granted. You're still a lot of like shit

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He said the reason he didn't like alters of madness. He's like it has blast beats on it, dude
It's like death metal more angel than death metal man. It's like death metal does not have blast beats
And i'm thinking like think about what you say blast beats are for grind core
Napalm death scum carcass recompute refaction terrorizer world downfall. It's all grind core
He's like death metal at the time was possessed death

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Necrovore slaughter lord autopsy. Yeah autopsy obituary. He's like none of that has blast beats and that's true
And I was like, he's like even more range. Obama. There's not blast beats
He's like blast beats is not death metal blast beats is grind core say so. Yes
Alters of madness is technically a good album and a more talented record
But they have a grind core drummer and a grind core bass player now, too

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And he's like this is not more of an angel. He said I had more than angel the demo
The abomination is like and then I get this shit
But they're listening to it the other the other key part of that they're listening to at the time
Yeah, these are older guys. He's like these kids he's like they don't understand
He's like they think they know what death metal is is like they don't I get that that now that is
now

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30 years later a very pure stance. Yeah to say that because now, you know
I mean blast beats or people would associate that with death metal. Yeah, I understand that
You know, I mean I come from a lineage of grind core. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's what that's all grind core
Yeah, yeah, blast beats and sometimes a db sometimes or whatever
But see the thing is but what I think they get a little picky with that
And guys do it with black metal, especially probably that's the most as far as a whole now is

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Okay, whatever if you want to call a 90s death metal even just say tomb the mutilated
Yes, it has blast beats if you want to call it grind core
You want to give it a different name then do that
You're literally saying it sucks because it has a title death metal on it because it has what it just say blast beats
It's reason I get it. That's dumb though. Like you're dismissing liking something based off just a genre name

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Okay, call it something call it whatever you need to make it yourself comfortable then
Yeah, but if you look if you legitimately don't like it when you put it on fair enough
Like I don't I don't uh all the the death core new core and twink whatever the fuck that shit is called
Yeah, I don't try not to like it because it has that title
It's just I have yet to date hear someone on something. I like I was like, yeah, it sounds like shit
The drum sound like shit. I hate the clean vocals. It's literally just uh

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It's the tough guy phil on salmo on steroid type vocals. Yeah. Yeah where it's like it's not brutal. It's kind of
kind of cheesy slash
They're just trying to play a more extreme version of pantera everything. Yeah. Yeah. Well from what I've heard and I can't
I've heard everything I was like it just sounds bad to me
Yeah, and then it goes into a clean but I was like and it's all like it's on like a timer
I was like it goes to that the tough guy

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And then a clean part. I'm like this is breakdown. I think this is just giving me a headache. This is just bad
Um now if there's something out there. I haven't heard and i'm like, wow, this is actually really good
I would admit I have no problem admitting it. I was like with two dates
I haven't heard anything. I like sure um, and I can find appreciation in it as a recording engineer
I understand what they're going for but it just is completely

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Withdrawn from what we're talking about especially once you get into we're talking about
You're running with guys that are saying yeah, two of them you later wouldn't even be a death metal record, right?
Right, you know, I mean, it's like it's definitely not a fucking grindcore record dude. Yeah, you know, I mean like yeah
there's grindcore is like
I love you know, I mean I love the classic grindcore but grindcore is like

(30:43):
Leftist politics. It's it's a different aesthetic. It's a different thing and
That's I like the bands that mix the um
That mix of metal I was thinking when I came in one of my favorites you ever hear, uh immortal fate
Yes, as a matter of fact, I just listened to that
You got a beautiful lp. I think it was a cd actually. I thought okay. Yeah. Yeah

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So one of those things I knew the name and I saw this came in I put on the plug
It's like but recently I've always on the name but as far as recently listening to it
Let's just maybe five months ago or something like that. Okay crazy, but death grind
You know, I mean, I love that old school death grind sound. That's where I will I love that. Um, but I get you know, I mean
Mix it everyone has their own

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Preferences and that's what I wanted to get into is and you covered that a bit
Because you're saying
That's that's what I think would be important for people who don't get it because they're again there's going to be
I'm thinking i'm trying to think of there's kids who see your channel and they're like, I don't understand the rules
Yeah, they're like I don't like what is like

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And it's like no you go talk to the guy. He'll tell you no Campbell, but that's not even pure
That's what kind of annoys me too. And that's where my mindset is and again, maybe that is a big gatekeeper. Let's just say this is
If you're confused by what i'm saying
A lot of stuff like if you want to call it the gatekeeping mentality
to me, you probably don't belong on the scene now i'm gonna say i'll explain what I mean by that is because

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And then it doesn't mean you have to agree with it. I'm saying if you don't understand it because
Again when I met king folly dude, he was terrible too, dude. He didn't like anything. I'm like what the fuck this guy doesn't like anything. Yeah. Yeah, and
I'm 15 16. Nobody explained it to me. Okay, but when they said it yes, I didn't agree with them
I didn't agree with those opinions. I didn't agree all just a man that sucks

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Yeah, but when they said it just judging by their age
When they got into death metal metal music, I was like I understood where they were coming from
I was like, I know why he thinks that I was like, I don't agree but I know why that's his mentality
If you're completely clueless as to why I don't like fucking uh

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I don't know who's a man I rip on regularly some newer band saying with suga buck
Yeah, yeah, if you're completely oblivious as to why I think
You like that and you don't like deicide is just asinine to me. It just screams
You're 19 years old or younger. If you don't understand that again, you don't agree with it. You can think that's like that's my favorite band of all time
That's fine
But if you don't understand what I think that deicide is a more important band if you're just completely oblivious

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in my opinion
You probably don't belong to death metal because you don't have the mentality for it
Like you should at least be like I know why he's saying that
That's and that's what I wanted to hone in on because that's I I really don't care. You know, I mean if dudes now
they want to go and
They want to do this death course side they call it death metal hardcore adjacent death metal

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Whatever you want to call it. This is going on now
All right, you know, I mean, I'm not gonna stop them. You can't stop them. Um
and
I you know, I think when they do that, I hope I hope that
DSI pestle, you know in bands that are still around that had legacy bands. I hope they get new fans from it
I hope sepulcher gets new fans. I I hope they can make a living doing what they're doing

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Yeah, you know, I mean and if that's a kid, but whatever but that's what I think is so important
That was the first thing we talked in on is you got to understand
I don't even care if it's not even about you complying with it. This is kodakonda
It's not about complying but just understand that that's what you're walking into you're walking into
This is where working class dudes

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Who hang out who like this shit are going in and we're gonna be busting each other's balls
Yeah, and that's if you want to go do that and you want to have your friends over here segregated or whatever because you you can't
You literally can't handle that. You can't handle getting your balls busted. Yeah, like that's fine
I'm not gonna fuck. I don't give a shit what you're doing. I'm because I'm not paying attention to you
You can do whatever but know that you're coming into someone else's space

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But know that you're coming into someone else's this this is what's hilarious about it. It's ironic
You're coming into someone else's space. Yeah policing how they're going about it while complaining while telling everyone else
How you're so smart for be it for making spaces
Inclusive and accessible and it's like really you're the colonizer you're talking about or whatever

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Yeah, where you're coming in others people's bed and it's like this has been going on for when were those dudes doing that?
Oh 86. Yeah. Yeah 86 now. We're talking my my cousin was in a band
Rancid decay who played um, that was like 86 they were playing with death or whatever
So all I mean is this isn't new that's

(35:24):
40 years ago. Yeah at this point, um 39 years ago
Yeah
So just know that and this is why people like you have a channel and people like you have a following
Because these people are coming in and I feel like they're making your perspective underrepresented
Yeah, and again, but the thing is is the ones that do that too is I think that their opinion is kind of irrelevant because um

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The ones that don't i'm like you're just young and not that the thing is you
People think that I hate the youth and get out of the scene. No, I actually welcome it because that's what's going to keep the scene alive
It's just don't come in here calling the shots. I don't get the call the shots. We've got from a guy that's 20 years
20 years in it before you that that's why I never corrected my elders
Yeah, whether that dwayne morris another one who he was kind of falling out of death metal because he thought it was cheesy

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He was getting more than a black medal. Yeah, I never corrected those guys. I'm like he was doing shows in 88
I was three years old. I don't get to correct him. Okay, like and I knew that I knew my stance
I knew my position. I I never they come in here and try to correct me
I'm like dude, you just started listening to the fucking shit on youtube in 2017
Yeah, you don't get the fucking tell me shit because as far as i'm certain you don't know shit and

(36:32):
Again, I said the litmus test. There's an extremely good chance. We're in the year 2025 and they're 2030
Which is going to be here like that. You don't even listen to shit anymore totally and i'll still be here literally releasing this stuff
So quite frankly
Fuck off and comment on somewhere else because you're not going to be here anyways
And that's why I don't think your their opinion is relevant that sounds dick is just fuck but you haven't earned your stripes

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No, that's like the goddamn guy that goes in the army. He's held a drill sergeant like what to do
No, no, no motherfucker. You take the orders you listen
You're allowed to disagree and establish your own opinion, but you keep it to yourself and shut the fuck up
And when you're 20 years in
You can make your own channel and say whatever the fuck you want
100 just like again if you're 16 you want to start a youtube channel go ahead

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But it blows my it blows my mind why anyone would even watch that
Sure, yeah, but I just don't i'm not gonna be watching it
Yeah, so i'm not gonna be fucking getting hemorrhoids at whatever the fuck you're saying
I disagree with because i'm not gonna hear it. Yeah, it could be like uh
And the thing is it could be by someone maybe some 16. I was like I met the kid. I really like him
Yeah, I mean, I don't need his opinion on anything. Well, I sure your opinion means i'm old enough to be your dad

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Your opinion means nothing to me. Sure and even whatever. I don't need to if I get a record
I don't need to look up how j-dog felt about it for me to like it
That blows my mind too, dude. If people think that on the b all end all is like dude
I don't even know you put this one like most people watching obviously i've met some of them but vast majority nots
Yeah, I was like you're literally deciphering your opinion

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On a complete stranger. Yeah, you've never met
You don't even know you don't even know the story of and that's what I want to get just real quick
We just could you just explain for just if they haven't or whatever you grew up in a house with your three brothers five
Well, you bet the three so me erica chase own hellside bangers craig
Okay, brother that's younger than me. Okay. I'm the youngest out of the uh, the three that born in 85

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Yeah, then our two oldest brothers. They're not in the metal at all. Okay, then we have a sister as well. She's the youngest
Okay, six siblings. Okay. Yeah and explain it because because again we the people us here we come to know that
Just because it's what's going on. You know, I mean, but for the people who don't know that
They might not know that so you guys you're a big family and you already explained
I like that the three of you, you know, I mean you're just all three of you diehard collectors

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Was that where your parents supportive of it or was it um, um, so
I mean, I guess it depends on what your definition supportive is and you know, it's funny as questions like this is I am very curious
Um got a little bit of info out of them on the uh, three way we did me erica chase some of these questions
I'm kind of I hate answering because I feel like they're gonna be like dude. What a fucking dick

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They were this he said it's this it's all your out your perspective, right? Oh, yeah
Yeah, so in my outlook our parents, I don't think they were supportive, but they weren't against it either
So yeah from my outlook if i'm right keep in mind you're talking about I mean
So when I first started going to shows my first show was death in 1998. I'm 13 years old
Yeah, so you got your head up. Yeah, you're not really paying attention. But from my memory and my outlook

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I think that my parents looked at it as
Well, I'd rather them do this than
Dropping out of school and taking drugs
Yeah, because i'm pretty sure their mentality was they never exactly said this but it was kind of insinuated
Well, as long as you're not skipping school, which we weren't
And we all had jobs. You had a job since I was 13. Yeah, working going to school worst thing. They're going to shows

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Who cares the worst incident incidents we had where they started to get kind of pissed and it was just my dad
It was because of me. I was in middle school and the principal so middle school 7th or 8th grade
Yeah, the principal called the house because he's like dude
You realize your son's coming to school with shirts with cannibalism because I was wearing every day. I had to turn my shirt inside
I was it was one of them butchered at birth. The other one was mortician house by a cemetery. Yeah. Yeah. Um

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The guy had sod speaking unless you're die where says i'm not racist. I hate everyone
Yeah, like that. I had to turn shit inside out all the time. I had to turn shirts inside out
So he called the house and my dad didn't say anything to us. It was before we got home
He went through all our cd collections. Yeah, and I remember specifically, uh
Uh might have been eric's personal copy where he just went through the stuff randomly look at it
Uh cannibal corp's gallery of suicide was out

(40:41):
Disgorge chronic corporate infest cover was out like he opened like he went through the booklets
Yeah, he just left it like he didn't put it away. I guess like hey, I looked at your shit
Okay, and then we came home and my mom's like, yeah your dad told us what happened principal called
And he looked at us. She's like, yeah, you look through your stuff. I'm like
Okay, and you never say anything to this day never so that's not bad at all. It's not like they were about

(41:03):
Wow christians who were we had to go to I mean we were born and raised catholic. We had to go to church
And you hated that i'd imagine I hated it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I hate it
Anytime I had to go that psr shit and all that stuff too
And that's what I was curious because that's where my my view of hatred for religion, uh grew because I remember specifically asking my mom
I'm not even exaggerating. I was max 10 years old. Yeah, I wasn't even a metal at all. Yeah. Yeah

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This is pad before we would heard the sacred rite tapes because I at 10 years old when I heard sacred rite first metal band
Okay, our oldest brother left those tapes even though I said he's not I was gonna ask you
They heard ignorance and surf their garag was I think it was before that and I specifically asked my mom some religious questions about
Goddess because I remember going up here. I was like this shit doesn't make sense
Yeah, like it literally doesn't make sense because the first thing I popped my mind about religion was it's like

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It literally says
That you can't worship any other gods. You're going to hell. I'm like, well, we know
It's well known over half the world by far is not christian. Yeah, that's not worshiping another god or none
And if you don't you're going to hell what I was told by hell is you hang and burn for all eternity
Now honestly, even as bad as a child molester is or something like Albert Fish. Yeah, I don't think there's anything

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That bad to you should burn for all eternity forever
Yeah, I don't have any punch for that nonetheless not worshiping somebody to ask which mind you
He didn't give you the option to be born here anyways, so yeah, that was the most sadistic form of religion, but
They
They don't say it like that and as a kid you can't understand it
So once I heard deicide, especially since the light and you read the lyrics you're like

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This is exactly what I was thinking. I just thought my mind was too young and immature to put into words. Yeah, and
Religiously and mindset wise everything changed from there. Okay, and that's why because part of it is going to some my mom couldn't answer
That's all we don't go. That's you know, the people the Lord just knows like another thing
I'm saying as a very young kid, she's like well because the life is a test and God knows everything. I'm like

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So if he knows everything he already knows what I'm gonna do 10 years from now
So already knows if I'm gonna fail or pass that test in my mind. It's like that old saying what's that for my movies?
Like he's sitting up on clouds laughing and sick fucking ass off. Well, I can't remember what movie that's from
And it's like yeah, that's it if it's a test, but he knows everything even knows the future. What's he testing?
He already knows the answer. That's what I thought and I

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I had the same experience just when I remember being 10 years old and I remember just thinking
You know what? Why would you they're talking about sin right for right for wrong?
And I just think well, what about a retarded guy someone who can't tell the difference?
You're telling me he would go to hell if he did something wrong, you know
He doesn't know it but and you're saying it but God made him that way. Why would God do it?
You know, that doesn't make any sense at all
Yeah, you know and the thing is another thing and then that's when I started notice it for stuff like that

(43:45):
Is that they bullshit their way out of on the fly as I get older 100%
Well, no, but he'd be exempt. All right, then you start pulling out examples
Yeah, you start bringing up some other things like abortion and shit like that. Yeah, the bible's all against it
Well, where in the bucking bible does it say anything about that?
Yeah, so you're just making this shit up as you go because if technically speaking if this was
What you was given down to you by God this book this is what you have you got that 2 000 years ago

(44:09):
No, what these 2013 topics when they're bringing them up that shit wasn't even a thing back then
You're literally just pulling crap out of your ass now. Yeah, I mean you're literally just pulling crap out of your ass
Yeah, and it was just it becoming abundantly obvious
That's how I felt too. So for for me metal was to get away from that 100%
Um that and that's what I was curious for you guys
You had your and that's what i'm most impressed with. Um, is the way because you guys work here full-time

(44:33):
Yeah, you know, I mean that's that's an achievement. Yeah, it really is. Um, there's not a lot of
Obviously we can talk about legacy bands. You talk to legacy you talk to glen benton whatever dudes that
Have a career in this it's few and far between yeah, yeah, and you have that um, and you so you guys must have worked
Hard to do that, you know, um, yeah I did but the thing is is uh, we definitely did and so had a couple advantages

(44:58):
One you gotta remember those three of us. Yeah, so we're each able to tackle it at three ends
We each kind of had our own department, you know, yeah each person had their strengths and their weaknesses
And we didn't even talk about we never sat down like hey you're doing this. Hey, you're doing that
It's just that's each person just picked it up and did it so there was that and also too starting anything off
It cost money. Like I said, we all had jobs. I'm the youngest out of the three of us

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I was working at 13. So naturally they're already working. So we had three source income to put into the business
So that's already a big advantage there. Yeah, another huge advantage that nobody and i've said on the channel is dude in the metal scene
Everybody's a fucking jerk off knob unreliable. They can't even reply to an email. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah
No, totally and i'm like this is your competition. You're making it easy. Yeah, it's not hard to succeed when everybody else sucks

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They don't know what a pack shit you get it in. It's all fucked up
Yeah, no, I mean dude even like and again, uh chase gets pissed when I bring it up
I'm like the facts are not attacks and I emailed the guy politely
Van records like we can't even get a restock on those attic records and cds because he just doesn't apply
Yeah, he's like hey we need 50 more cds 50 lps of all three titles. It's like over a 2000 order
No, right. Why would you not reply to a 2000 order?

(46:05):
Like like that doesn't that doesn't make any sense
Uh, and but I do I do think because this is something for the for the majority of the people involved in this. It's a hobby
Yeah, but I mean dude, I mean not for you guys if I got I don't give a shit if it's a hobby or not
But we're a house if you got all these records sitting behind you and you're like, oh they're collecting
Hey, I want to give you no, no, trust me. It's ridiculous to me. I mean i'm not doing that

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But it's just like anybody that emails us with a 2000 plus order they get replied to first
That's top that goes the front of the line like that's like who's going who am I replying to first him or guy that bought?
One new non-slaughter. She it's the guy with the two grand order. So like what are you doing? That's common sense
But dude, and that's not to throw him on that's the norm. Yeah, I agree

(46:47):
That's my experience of dealing with it dealing with so whatever and yeah
That's the only way I could find peace with it is I go, you know
I think I think people could get into this and people just want to have their way of going about it and once it's
Most most of the people doing this have a nine to five job. Yeah, maybe even more than that
Yeah, so why we did for years at the same time. We just totally oh, yeah, totally and and you're working more than nine five

(47:08):
Oh, yeah, yeah, you know
I know how you guys get down here. Yeah, it's it's hard work here. So
Same thing. I think dudes just it gets to a point where they go there's money on I don't even care
I'm so overwhelmed. I don't even want to fuck it. It's this is supposed to be fun to me. Yeah now there's so much work
It's not fun anymore. The whole point is that it was fun. But yeah, no that but that factor is it is gonna happen

(47:29):
Yeah when it becomes yeah a profitable thing 100% that's
That's gonna happen no matter what bands anything, you know, I could I could tell you right now
They make you enjoy the job cannibal corpse doesn't look forward to the next tour
Yeah, they may not hate it and I'm sure he's like, yeah, I'd rather do this than work in a factory
Yeah, but they're not looking for this is a job for these guys. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah 100%
I mean and I can't blame them

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I wouldn't want to go on the road for 50 days either
Snuggle up in a band with a bunch of other men with death Corbyn with twin Corbyn. Yeah, exactly
I wouldn't want to do that, you know, so I can't blame them. It's a rough gig. Yeah
It's definitely a fucking rough gig. Yeah, did you guys ever play instruments or anything?
Just craig our younger brother and he played in crucify mortals. He was a nun slaughter for a while
He's on the hex album, you know a bunch of other stuff

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um
He's the only uh guy that played in the instruments
I think because yeah, we started hell so young too a part of us like just in that time. Yeah
Yeah, so you might when we started hells I was 16. So i'm in high school
Working a job plus doing that. Yeah
I mean just bad us. I think that probably a lot of people couldn't keep up and that's where you have some of the people
That just don't even get the mindset of you know, I mean you're

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You're hustling you're working you're working this to work this you're busting balls
Yeah, there's people that just couldn't couldn't keep up with that. Yeah. No, so no, no, so never played um, and I have no regrets
That's that's fine. You know what I mean?
Um, I don't know if i'd be very good at it anyways to be honest with you
Yeah, I don't know if I had the skill set for it
We guys clearly have a talent and expressing yourself in this way because there are

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Not a lot of people that have a career in doing this and there's not a lot of labels that are making shit happen
Yeah, and there's not a lot of labels that can take stuff in and again. Everyone's been great with me. Um
plug these hemdale shirts available here you guys have um
We have a hemdale design. Yeah, I'm sure. Yeah, I delivered all of them. So um
And then we did the exhumed hemdale split repress. Yeah, it came out awesome. I moved all my copies

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Yeah, you guys probably only have a couple left. Yeah, we don't have a lot at all
I know all the colors are sold out. We I think we got like maybe 20 black finals and then cd I think less than 100
Awesome. So move fast, but
Yeah, you guys are fucking on top of shit
So yeah, some people just wouldn't be able to keep up with it
No, no, of course not and it's understandable to agree because again if we if it was just one of us doing this

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Maybe we wouldn't be able to either, you know
So that was good. I had all these questions written out and we we got to most of it
Let me let me go through. You know, I mean I was gonna ask you about that with uh, trait. Um
Yeah, fuck yeah, we didn't even have to
How much more time you got 10 minutes, yeah, because don's here I gotta shoot some stuff with him wrap it up sketch up. Yeah

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One by quick. Um
Where do you draw the line?
Where do you draw the line personally for death metal as far as and you were linear? Where do you because?
classic classic j dog is uh
Yeah, that's yo-yo. You're not a yo-yo guy
Even though you got a yo-yo name. Yeah, j dog. Yeah again, and I explained that too number one

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Yeah, yeah, does yo-yo start with suffocation?
Uh crowd wise, yeah crowd wise. Yeah music wise like suffocation. Yo, yes, dude
I think human waste is one of the greatest death metal records ever written. I agree with you. Yeah
And I like effigy a lot and then uh, I like I'm pretty much like most of them
Um breeding the spawn. I like I just think that the songs are half-assed on and not very memorable. Yeah. Yeah
Um

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Going on to the yo-yo. That's what i'm trying. Where do you we're
Where do you say dude? I'm not fucking with this. Yeah, i'll be honest the last suffocation record I own
I think is a self-titled. Is that the one directly after uh souls of the night? I think so
Okay, because the only comeback albums I own is souls of the night and I don't title. Well, but I think
I own a souls of the night and I didn't title what band started it

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Yo, yo, where you started dying fetus
Again, I I don't think they started it per se I think it's the crowd but as far as bringing it directly into their actual
Where do you draw the line? Yeah
I was never a big internal bleeding fan, but it wasn't for that reason
I just didn't I just didn't get into it. Yeah. Yeah, I thought the first album the seven inch are pretty decent

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I like that you sat down with them. Yeah, I thought it was decent but it wasn't a line drawn
I never looked at it that way. I just like I just didn't do much for me
um
As far as line as far as actual music
I don't know if anybody's directly coming to my mind
It's just it was mostly the fan bases and some of the images like for example devon arman
I do like more than decapitated but you look at the booklet that mike majesky guy looks annoying as shit

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Which just looks like a poser you're talking so you're talking you're you're you're thinking that these dudes coming up to your shows
The flat room halves or something and they're yeah. Yeah, that's that's influencing. But again for far as directly in the music
I don't know if I have a line. I was like it's either I was like it's either fucking
Rapping or it's not. Yeah. Yeah, I was like and I don't think suffocation dying feet

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I don't think any of those bands ever did I mean show me a part where you're like, dude
This is ghetto as fuck like this is not this because shit i'm dying fetus. I was like where
I was like, yeah, you go to the crowd and half these idiots. I'm like, I just want to fucking
Go automatic weapons on I was like i'm not denying that I was like but in their music where
Where's the corn parts? Where's the size? I don't wear I was like, I don't care. Please play me one
I never heard anything, you know, unless you know something I don't yeah, so musically I can't say that

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because to me a lot of the
Would I think it'd be more like the metal core not the death core? They do a lot of that shit, right?
Well, you're talking like the rap stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah metal core new metal. Yeah, but that stuff was like
But we're talking we're talking about proto slam or brutal into that. That was what I was going to ask you
Where do you draw the line between?
Brutal death and then now this is starting to get in the slam, you know, I think of those

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I think of suffocation pyrexia internal bleeding as the start of that. I like it, you know
But I get what you're talking about what you're saying and especially if you're just saying
That's not so much an eye divergence of
Musicality, it's a divergence of aesthetic or it's a divergence of attitude
Yeah, yeah
I think i've looked at it more like that because to me I was like if I like the songs because part of that was

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Getting a little annoying too when I call that even kratos pulling. It's like well this part's kind of he even said like he's like
Dude that general surgery stuff come back. He's like, I don't know dude. It's a little wig or i'm like where
In general surgery. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like i'm like it was getting the point
He and he's just one example a few other people i'm like dude. That's just a catchy riff
Now you guys are getting carried away. Yeah, I was like when I bring shit up. I was like no, dude

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This is legitimately I mean, this is like rap. Yeah. Yeah
Um, so if it was just kind of catchy, uh, because people say it's slamming the like I again I grew up on that
Dehumanize the first record. Yeah. Yeah, I just considered it a fucking brutal death metal record
But when people like no, it's a slam record. I guess I see where you're coming from
I didn't look at it like that though. Yeah, you know, but I I get where they're they're saying that the same

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Yeah, plus not to mention dude. Yeah, I remember in 99 2000 and shit
Again, I was 14 15 years old. So maybe I wasn't paying attention
I don't recall anybody using that word really slam. Yeah, and that's that's something more so that's been retroactively
I think people are using that because now they're like hey
I could claim a title for example not to throw them on the bus. I ripped them enough and obviously I got along with a really
law person

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Internal bleeding. Yeah, I and I did watch the chris interview with uh on that garza podcast or at least most of it
And they're kind of like, you know, where are the creators of slam and stuff like that? And who knows whatever it's like
When I heard about you, dude, I just heard that this is another new york death metal band
Yeah, nobody said slam. It just seems like it's a term now people like oh, yeah, like we're special

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We did this because we're not cannibal corpse. We didn't create the cookie monster or whatever
Yeah, so we created something we created slam. It's like dude
You were just playing fucking what you call it with catchy death metal now. There's a term for it. You're you're uh,
you're you're coining that because
In 1993 internal bleeding correctly wrong chris. He's not probably watching my shit
Yeah, correct. Were you calling it slam death metal back then if he was if there's if they got shirts that say fucking

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death metal slammers and they were in 93 saying i'm like I stand correct it
Yeah, I was like, but I never heard that term until about eight years ago
Let it be said
Lightning round. Let's wrap it up. Okay. I had a great conversation with you. I didn't even I didn't have to direct it
It flowed really well. Oh cool. Cool. Um
I opened the floor up to my viewers said you got any questions for the dog?

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Well, first off, what are your views is this youtube or instagram or
YouTube I I so i've had instagram for a long time. This is this is actually the first
This is the first following podcast i'm doing for the youtube. Okay. Okay
So how long have been in the youtube just a year or less than a year?
I so I have I have tons of live sets i've done i've been doing uh,
Some of the live bands and stuff. I did that noxus, uh, some of the noxus music videos stuff like that. So I have um

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bands doing uh
uh
I got a bunch of bands in front of green screens where I engineered it and stuff
But this is this is the first time i'm doing the sit down podcast. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Cool. Cool
So maybe you had the whole setup of shit. I figured you've been doing this fucking tons. I've filmed i've shown stuff before
But this is the first time doing the actual sit down talk. Cool

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Um lightning round
Talk about your workout routine real quick
Uh gen i'm speaking so I try to I do cardio pretty much five to seven days a week first thing in the morning
That's how I start my day off
You know, I wake up I literally brush my teeth and I do 30 to 45 minutes of cardio
And then uh in the after four days in the afternoon. I weight train right now. My split is

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Uh day one is uh chest and shoulders
Day two is uh back
Day three is legs day four's arms
Uh, it's set up like that for a lot of my reasons for just where my development is and also where my injury rate is
so for example like uh
Back and legs are primarily separated by at least a full day off

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Because of my low back is all fucked up. So like it's it's structured around
So like if somebody's come up to me, hey bro, you want to get a workout together?
Oh, not really number one. I train train alone number two
You're probably not going to follow my program number three if we are working out together
You better be someone I like and you're following my shit because i'm not going in and i'm not doing deadlifts
Yeah, there's no reason I was like i'm gonna fucking put myself in a goddamn wheelchair

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Structured about these movements I do because I know they're not gonna fuck me up any further than I already am
But now don't get me wrong to fucking
Don't get me wrong to fucking
Hotty chupon or roni ronnie colman or something. Hey, bro, want to catch a workout? I'm doing whatever the fuck you want
Yeah, so I was like those are legends, you know pro bodybuilders, of course
Or any if any ifbb pro that I follow asked me for a workout i'm going in or whatever the fuck he's doing

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I'm sucking up buttercup. I'm doing it
But if somebody like in the scene or somebody like some metal guy who likes to work out you want to catch a workout?
No, bro. Yeah, are you natty?
Uh depends on what your definition of fucking natty is
Uh, Michael herns natty, right? Yeah, so I guess i'm as natty as he is
but again, actually i'll use the uh term as funny as uh

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Lee priest said it he said it in an interview because he was very open about talking about drugs and shit like that
Yeah, and they just point like he's he's got a seminar. This this is when it was very taboo to talk about it
Yeah, nobody talks about it. This is like 95 or something
And they asked them. Yeah, um, are you all natural? Whatever. He's like what bodybuilder is
Like not hard. It's part of the game. Yeah. Yeah, like you got to understand like if you're trying to become

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This superhero look the people think oh steroids are cheating
You you realize the human body can't get to that without them, right?
It's hormonal
And when you talk about testosterone and people think it's so bad. I'll be you realize testosterone is safer than smoking weed, right?
Yeah, and I don't it's a natural hormone your body literally produces it right now without it. You're going to be unhealthy as fuck

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That's why there's a thing called trt as you get older to bring your levels back up to where you're 1918 because they decline
That's the main steroid use at the backbone. Yeah bodybuilders are just taking a shitload of it
Yeah, yeah, it's like so yes at super high levels does it have some risks it does but most of them are fixable
So it's a fucking deadlift though. Exactly. You can find exactly but that dimension but the imagine if someone told you

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I don't I don't exercise I could get hurt. I could tell you this right now and it blows my mind is
You know, there's a lot of guys that like ride motorcycles like that in the mill scene
If you're even at a professional level about probability taking all the drugs in the world riding a motorcycle every day is way more risky
Way more do the statistics of how many guys die in a motorcycle crash over people dying on performance enhancing drugs

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I can tell you fucking it's way less than motorcycle crashes, but nobody would think like oh, that's crazy. You're doing that. I'm like you're
more risky hobby
Well, and I think just the intentionality is key and you got that, you know, I mean you have this routine
You know that whatever I do think if you're gonna run in there juice yourself up. You don't know what you're doing
You want to lift to you want to go to that lift to impress someone you can be put on your ass

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Yeah, yeah 100 you don't know what you're doing. You're doing it for the wrong reason. Yeah, you're not being intentional
Yeah, not I mean I think most people that work out or they get into taking the drugs like that
They are doing it for the wrong reason they're doing it for like track girls. I'm like do first off do girls
Don't give a shit about that. It's guys that bring it up. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. You're gonna guys you're gonna get a bunch of guys
I hope you're no girls. Yeah, exactly. So there's that or they just because it's like

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They think that it's gonna help their self-esteem or the uh, I'm like dude, that's a mental problem
You need to go see a fucking therapist. That's not a hey, let me juice myself up. I'm like, no, you have mental problem, dude
I because think about it like this is a temporary thing. Let's just say you can get as big as jay cutler or ronnie
Coleman could be a pro bodybuilder. Okay, well, that's temporary. You can't do that till you're 50 years old
You just flat out can't yeah, so that's gonna eventually go away. Okay, when you no longer have that guess what those mental problems are all coming back

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Totally slapping a band-aid on it if that even fixes the problem for you mentally
I would first fix yourself upstairs first if that's what you should need to be doing it because this is you enjoy doing again
It's it's just like metal. Yeah, what you do is you treat as a hobby because you love doing it
Yeah, if you have to talk yourself into going to the gym, you have absolutely no business taking drugs
Yeah, none. None. What's up?

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You should be looking like that motherfucker like Disney world and in which case yeah
The drugs are probably be appealing because you're gonna go further than your body can actually go
And then do it as smart as you can you better be fucking monitor your health
You better have some money because it costs money to monitor your blood work get that done if you're gonna need uh,
Medications because your blood pressure and shit. That's the thing you have to watch out for that's gonna cost money

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You're gonna have that money. So you better have that hand. So if you're some fucking broke ass
You know 20 year old living a mom's house and you don't make a middle wage this it also for you
badass advice, I think
Favorite spongebob character. I don't know anymore. I don't know any of the names. I know I think um
Some people said you're most like Larry. Which one's Larry the bodybuilder the law didn't know there was a bodybuilder

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There's a bodybuilding lot. I don't think that I didn't think that show was manly enough to have bodybuilder. Haha
Ever kissed a man. I'm proud to say I never have
Dude I've never even hugged my own dad. Okay today
You know, that's a true story. Lindsay thinks that's weird my wife. So you've never given your dad a hug. No

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He's he's still around. Fuck. Yeah, my parents are still married
Still time, huh? There's still time. I just did he's like me man
Like I'm not like you just you just know where you stand dude
You know what I mean? And it's yeah, you know, we're kind of like we don't really show our feelings
You're just you know how you feel you don't need to say it. You know what I mean?
So it's in the times of you show your concern in times when it matters like

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If an emergency happened, are you gonna be there? I'm busy, bro. That's a lot more
Meaningful than anything else you're just saying shit or telling me something or you're my party buddy my drinking buddy
That means jack shit to me because those people always fall off anyways. Yeah
Yeah, no, no, totally and everyone's your friend when things are going good
And no one's there when people are when she when shit hits the fan and that's not you know

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You can tell there's your real friend. It's 100% 100%
Yes, final one. You got a top five favorite death metal
We could leave it off on top five. Are you talking about albums albums? Oh, just death metal only just death metal only. Yeah
to mutilated surface of light
Again I'm only gonna pick one album by each band. Yeah, you can only pick one album from each band to

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All to the madness
Who am I forgetting
I'll go with like an ever-flowing stream

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You know, it's those fees here too and it is one of my favorites let's throw in house of holy fire, okay
Yeah, I'll say that too. So that man because it's hard to make a top five
No, I know so many I know because so many are top. No. Yeah and no specific order
Whatever for anyone who cares about mine just on there. I went with I love Demi like Nespite
I love cryptopsie non-so-vile my favorites mental funeral

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Then I gotta go with symphony the sickness just for the influence that had on me playing
Oh cool badass fucking podcast badass advice when I shout out when I do my next recording video probably tomorrow
Not the done one unless it gets brought up organically. Yeah, I'll just give it a shout out