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Ever wondered how you can make your home not just beautiful but also a safe haven for all ages and abilities? Join us as Esther Kane, a retired occupational therapist and certified Aging in Place specialist, unravels the secrets of universal design. You'll discover practical tips like installing lever-style door handles, adjustable height countertops, and motion-activated features that make daily living simpler. Esther expertly explains how universal design principles—equitable use, flexibility, simplicity, and low physical effort—transform homes into functional, aesthetically pleasing spaces for everyone.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hello everyone, welcome back to episode 18 of
the Aging in Place Directorypodcast.
I'm Esther Kane, retiredoccupational therapist and
certified Aging in Placespecialist.
Today I wanted to talk aboutuniversal design.
Now, if you're a homeownerlooking to make your home as you
(00:25):
know, aging in place safe aspossible, you're planning to
stay there as long as youpossibly can and, of course, you
want to be independent for aslong as you possibly can, then
an aging in place assessment cancertainly help you to do that,
so you can get an idea of whatkinds of things you can do in
(00:46):
your home to make it as safe aspossible and as easy as possible
.
I myself am going to bereworking my kitchen, you know,
doing some modifications inthere in order to make things
easier, more accessible to toget to, because I have a bad
back, so it's going to.
(01:06):
I need to accommodate that sothat it will make my life easier
, more comfortable and safer andI can stay here much longer.
So if you are a homeownerlooking for those services,
you're probably going to hearthe term universal design.
So a lot of aging in placespecialists and occupational
(01:30):
therapists and anyone who doeshome assessments will use that
phrase.
So what is it?
What does that mean?
So, basically, it's a, it's anapproach, it's a way of thinking
and of conducting theassessment that what you're
doing is, or what the person isdoing, is creating spaces in in
(01:54):
the living environment andproducts that are usable by
people of all ages and allabilities.
So this is especially useful inmulti-generational homes where
you may have children livingparents you know, maybe they're
middle-aged parents and thenolder grandparents, so you also.
(02:14):
It would be homes where someoneis using a wheelchair or a
walker and you know others arenot.
So it's making.
It's not about any specificequipment or or making the home
look institutional in any way.
It's about making the home asaesthetically beautiful as
(02:38):
possible to accommodate all thepeople that are living in it.
It could be one person, twopeople, ten people, whatever.
So universal design is exactlythat.
It's design for the groupuniversal.
So what are the key principlesin universal design?
And it's something that youshould know, that homeowners
(03:00):
should know, in order to beaware of what is.
You know, what is theassessment involved, or what is
any home assessment for thispurpose involved?
So one, something calledequitable use.
These are design features thatare to be useful for people with
(03:22):
diverse abilities.
So, for an example, a leverstyle door handle versus a round
door handle.
The lever style can be used byeveryone you know children,
older adults, everyone.
It's much easier to manage thatlever, to hold on to it and
(03:43):
pull it down.
Also, if your hands are fullwith groceries or whatever, it's
easier to just take your elbowand clunk it down Much easier
than a round knob.
Even if the round knob istextured, it's still a safer,
more universal design to havethe lever design, to have the
(04:07):
lever.
Flexibility is another conceptor another principle of
universal design, and thisaccommodates a wide range of
individual preferences andabilities.
Things like adjustable heightcountertops in the kitchen, so
you could have.
Maybe a very tall person isliving in the home so you could
have a section of the countertopthat's raised higher.
(04:27):
If someone is in a wheelchairyou could have, or is very short
, you could have a countertopthat is lower for that person.
Or perhaps it's just easier toif it's a baker.
A baker may find a lowercountertop a little easier to
roll out the dough versus ahigher one.
(04:47):
It could be to accommodateshoulder injuries or back
injuries or anything at all, butthe countertops don't have to
be all one level, it could beadjusted to accommodate
whoever's living in the home.
Simple and intuitive is anotherkey principle.
The use of this designprinciple is pretty easy to
(05:10):
understand because, regardlessof the user's abilities or even
cognitive ability, it doesn'thave to necessarily be physical
activities.
So this is clear, well-litpathways, you know, throughout
the the home, and it doesn'tmean that they have to
necessarily be wide.
Of course it'd be better ifit's wide, because then
(05:31):
accommodate more, accommodatewheelchairs, walkers, that kind
of thing.
But the point is that it'sclear, there's no clutter, you
know you're not having to walksideways around things and that
it's very well lit.
I personally like the canlighting and if it's motion
detectable, that would be evenbetter, because then you don't
(05:52):
have to think about turning thelight on, it just automatically
comes on as you're walking inthat area and you know as much
light as you can put in thatarea, as long as it's, of course
, aesthetically pleasing.
Low physical effort is anotherprinciple, which basically means
(06:13):
exactly what it says.
It takes very little effort inorder to use the item.
So I'm talking about easy tooperate windows, which we all
know can be very difficult toopen at times, faucets or even
(06:37):
just motion activated faucets,motion detected lights, where
you get.
You don't have to do the switch, anything that is automatic.
You know lights come on and offon a timer or you use a voice
activated device that you cansay you know, alexa, turn the
light on or whatever, turn theTV on, whatever.
Anything that requires lowphysical effort can be used by
(06:58):
everyone in the home and itmakes the home safer and easier.
So universal design, whencoupled with aging in place
principles, really goes intoevery single nook and cranny of
the home, everything, includingthe outside of the home, because
(07:19):
one of the biggest hurdles ofaging in place is an entryway.
A lot of our entryways havesteps, even if it's a flat rise.
From the sidewalk to your frontdoor or front patio.
There's probably a step to getinto the home which is not a big
(07:39):
deal, unless you're in awheelchair or you're using a
walker or, you know, maybethere's some vision problems or
cognitive problems it's just soeasy to trip over or get over
that step, even inside the home.
The thresholds or maybe you mayhave a lot of older homes have
wooden or metal thresholdsbetween rooms.
(08:02):
Now everything is all smoothand easy to maneuver through.
That is the process, so thosekinds of items can be used by
everyone.
Having a ramp up to the frontdoor, having a curbless entryway
, can accommodate everyone,doesn't necessarily mean that
it's just accommodating that oneindividual who may need that to
(08:25):
make life a little easier.
Wider doorways, again, areanother issue.
That is universal design.
Everybody in the home can usewider doorways.
It makes it much easier, saferfor everyone.
Bathrooms the things that youcan do in bathrooms are a
curbless shower, barrier-freetype of shower stalls with
(08:51):
built-in seating and handheldshower heads, and not just the
handheld shower head up on top,but also a component on the wall
where you can hang that showerhead right there, right next to
the seat, so you can sit and youcan shower.
They offer safety, they offerconvenience, along with things
(09:12):
like grab bars on your toiletsand in shower stalls.
They provide added support, andthese days grab bars are not
institutional looking.
I mean, yeah, you can still buythe institutional looking ones,
but they have some beautifulones.
You know, I personally have acurved, wavy grab bar in my
shower and in my bathtub and itjust looks like it's just part
(09:36):
of the design of that unit.
It doesn't look like a grab bar.
One thing I can recommend forshower heads also are the
magnetic shower heads that areremovable, and the reason I
recommend the magnetic isbecause then the other kind you
have to clip on, you have toplace it into its, its pocket in
(10:00):
order to stay there, but with amagnet, it, the back of the
shower head, is a magnet and sois the.
You know where you place it.
So all you have to do is justplace that shower head close to
it and it automatically connects.
So it makes it much easier.
It's one less thing to do.
It decreases the amount ofeffort to use it.
(10:22):
So I would recommend thosetypes of showerheads.
In the kitchen, of course,there's pull-out shelves.
A lot of people use pulloutshelves in their kitchens and I
think it's very important,especially for lower cabinets,
but you can also use these inthe bathroom as well.
There's so many available nowthat you know you can buy the
(10:44):
built-in ones.
Or, if you're renovating yourhome, you can use companies like
Closet by Design, californiaCloset, that they can put in
built-in shelves in there.
Of course, again in the kitchen, as I mentioned, very counter
heights, easy to reachappliances and easy to use
(11:04):
appliances, and to me a lot ofappliances are very easy to use
but not necessarily easy toclean, so I would opt for
appliances that are easy toclean and that will make your
life a lot easier.
I have given up quite a fewblenders here and there that
(11:25):
were not, or really foodprocessors that were not that
easy to clean, but nowadaysthey're much better.
Lighting lots and lots.
We need so much more lightingas we get older, so ample,
well-placed lighting reducesfall risks, reduces eye strain.
Motion sensor lights, as I saidbefore, are so important in
(11:48):
hallways, in bathrooms, kitchen,in and out of the garage,
anywhere you have steps, if youstill have to have steps
anywhere you want to make sureto have enough light there to
accommodate everyone and itbenefits everyone.
It doesn't not benefit anyonefor sure.
(12:10):
Not benefit.
I don't know that.
That's a phrase.
Smart technology, as I mentionedbefore, voice activated devices
, I think eventually are goingto be in every home on the
planet.
It seems like it at least.
Voice activated devices cancontrol just about everything,
(12:31):
from your oven to yourdishwasher to your washing
machine and dryer.
My washing machine and dryerare upstairs, so when I'm
running something upstairs, if Icome downstairs to work or do
something else, it will alert me, my phone will alert me to let
me know that the wash is done orthat the dryer is done, so I
(12:55):
can go.
I can then go up and fix that.
Or the other thing I can do isI can just tell my Alexa, you
know, set the timer for an hour,45 minutes, whatever, and then
it will, and then I know to goup.
But there's a lot of differentways that you can set alarms to
make your day a little easier sothat you don't have to remember
.
Oh yeah, you know.
(13:16):
You get into bed and you'relike oh, my goodness, I can't
believe I forgot everything inthe washing machine.
Probably have to wash it againnow.
That's been sitting there for awhile.
But voice activated devices areamazing and they're certainly
not going to go away.
If anything, we're only goingto incorporate them more and
more, though you can see thatthe benefits of Universal Design
(13:38):
are plentiful.
I mean, it allows older adultsto maintain their independence,
to stay in their homes longer,but not just longer in a
disabled way, because you canfall, be in a wheelchair and
still stay in your home.
But we all want to be asindependent and as healthy and
(14:02):
functional as possible for aslong as possible.
So why not take the initiativeto make that happen?
Use the tools that areavailable to do that?
Universal design benefitseveryone in the home.
As I said, it's reallywonderful for multi-generational
homes or homes that havedifferent, even if it's just two
(14:25):
people of two differentabilities.
You know a six-foot-three mancould be married to a
four-foot-two woman.
Foot three man could be marriedto a four foot two woman, and
they need two different sets ofcountertops or anything like
that.
It can also universal designcoupled with aging in place
design can prevent accidents,make living easier, safer, make
(14:48):
caregiving easier, safer, safer,and it truly enhances a home's
overall aesthetics and value.
Definitely enhances the value.
And if you do it with a agingin place specialist, a designer
that is certified in aging inplace and has the education of
(15:09):
Universal Design, that designercan help you to make that home
as aesthetically beautiful aspossible but at the same time,
safer and more comfortable foryou.
So if you're a homeowner and I'massuming you are listening to
this podcast or if you're afamily member with aging parents
(15:29):
who plans to age in place, Iwould recommend strongly to look
at an aging in place specialist, a designer that has an aging
that has aging in placecertification or, if you're
looking for major modifications,a builder or contractor that
has those certifications.
You can also consult with anoccupational therapist.
(15:51):
If there are medical issuesthat need to be addressed, such
as dementia or stroke orParkinson's, those issues could
be specifically looked at, takencare of by an educated OT.
You want to prioritize thechanges that you're going to be
(16:15):
making in the home you know,based on the current needs and
then, of course, any anticipatedneeds that you feel may be
coming.
And then, of course, you maynot know what's coming unless
you speak to a professional likean occupational therapist,
aging in place specialists andso on.
And you want to implement thesemodifications gradually because
(16:35):
one some of them can beexpensive, especially if you're
doing major remodeling.
Others may just cost a hundredbucks, 200 bucks, whatever may
not cost all that much, but youwant to spread out the costs and
minimize the disruption in thehome.
One of the first things you mayhave to do if you're looking at
remodeling a home of someonewho's been living in there a
(16:58):
very long time is the verypainful process of decluttering,
getting rid of excess furniture, changing furniture that may be
too big for the environment.
You know for the area that it'sin getting rid of a lot of
things that can cause futurefalls or injury, step to take
(17:22):
towards making a home safe andkeeping you as independent and
mobile and healthy as possible.
Isn't that what you really want?
I think we all do, I thinkeveryone wants that.
(17:45):
All right, I want to thank youso much for listening to our
podcast.
Of course, subscribe ourpodcast.
Of course subscribe.
We appreciate each and everysingle subscriber and I look
forward to seeing you, or, yep,seeing you next time.
Take care, bye.
Hello everyone, welcome back to episode 18 of
the Aging in Place Directorypodcast.
I'm Esther Kane, retiredoccupational therapist and
certified Aging in Placespecialist.
Today I wanted to talk aboutuniversal design.
Now, if you're a homeownerlooking to make your home as you
(00:25):
know, aging in place safe aspossible, you're planning to
stay there as long as youpossibly can and, of course, you
want to be independent for aslong as you possibly can, then
an aging in place assessment cancertainly help you to do that,
so you can get an idea of whatkinds of things you can do in
(00:46):
your home to make it as safe aspossible and as easy as possible
.
I myself am going to bereworking my kitchen, you know,
doing some modifications inthere in order to make things
easier, more accessible to toget to, because I have a bad
back, so it's going to.
(01:06):
I need to accommodate that sothat it will make my life easier
, more comfortable and safer andI can stay here much longer.
So if you are a homeownerlooking for those services,
you're probably going to hearthe term universal design.
So a lot of aging in placespecialists and occupational
(01:30):
therapists and anyone who doeshome assessments will use that
phrase.
So what is it?
What does that mean?
So, basically, it's a, it's anapproach, it's a way of thinking
and of conducting theassessment that what you're
doing is, or what the person isdoing, is creating spaces in in
(01:54):
the living environment andproducts that are usable by
people of all ages and allabilities.
So this is especially useful inmulti-generational homes where
you may have children livingparents you know, maybe they're
middle-aged parents and thenolder grandparents, so you also.
(02:14):
It would be homes where someoneis using a wheelchair or a
walker and you know others arenot.
So it's making.
It's not about any specificequipment or or making the home
look institutional in any way.
It's about making the home asaesthetically beautiful as
(02:38):
possible to accommodate all thepeople that are living in it.
It could be one person, twopeople, ten people, whatever.
So universal design is exactlythat.
It's design for the groupuniversal.
So what are the key principlesin universal design?
And it's something that youshould know, that homeowners
(03:00):
should know, in order to beaware of what is.
You know, what is theassessment involved, or what is
any home assessment for thispurpose involved?
So one, something calledequitable use.
These are design features thatare to be useful for people with
(03:22):
diverse abilities.
So, for an example, a leverstyle door handle versus a round
door handle.
The lever style can be used byeveryone you know children,
older adults, everyone.
It's much easier to manage thatlever, to hold on to it and
(03:43):
pull it down.
Also, if your hands are fullwith groceries or whatever, it's
easier to just take your elbowand clunk it down Much easier
than a round knob.
Even if the round knob istextured, it's still a safer,
more universal design to havethe lever design, to have the
(04:07):
lever.
Flexibility is another conceptor another principle of
universal design, and thisaccommodates a wide range of
individual preferences andabilities.
Things like adjustable heightcountertops in the kitchen, so
you could have.
Maybe a very tall person isliving in the home so you could
have a section of the countertopthat's raised higher.
(04:27):
If someone is in a wheelchairyou could have, or is very short
, you could have a countertopthat is lower for that person.
Or perhaps it's just easier toif it's a baker.
A baker may find a lowercountertop a little easier to
roll out the dough versus ahigher one.
(04:47):
It could be to accommodateshoulder injuries or back
injuries or anything at all, butthe countertops don't have to
be all one level, it could beadjusted to accommodate
whoever's living in the home.
Simple and intuitive is anotherkey principle.
The use of this designprinciple is pretty easy to
(05:10):
understand because, regardlessof the user's abilities or even
cognitive ability, it doesn'thave to necessarily be physical
activities.
So this is clear, well-litpathways, you know, throughout
the the home, and it doesn'tmean that they have to
necessarily be wide.
Of course it'd be better ifit's wide, because then
(05:31):
accommodate more, accommodatewheelchairs, walkers, that kind
of thing.
But the point is that it'sclear, there's no clutter, you
know you're not having to walksideways around things and that
it's very well lit.
I personally like the canlighting and if it's motion
detectable, that would be evenbetter, because then you don't
(05:52):
have to think about turning thelight on, it just automatically
comes on as you're walking inthat area and you know as much
light as you can put in thatarea, as long as it's, of course
, aesthetically pleasing.
Low physical effort is anotherprinciple, which basically means
(06:13):
exactly what it says.
It takes very little effort inorder to use the item.
So I'm talking about easy tooperate windows, which we all
know can be very difficult toopen at times, faucets or even
(06:37):
just motion activated faucets,motion detected lights, where
you get.
You don't have to do the switch, anything that is automatic.
You know lights come on and offon a timer or you use a voice
activated device that you cansay you know, alexa, turn the
light on or whatever, turn theTV on, whatever.
Anything that requires lowphysical effort can be used by
(06:58):
everyone in the home and itmakes the home safer and easier.
So universal design, whencoupled with aging in place
principles, really goes intoevery single nook and cranny of
the home, everything, includingthe outside of the home, because
(07:19):
one of the biggest hurdles ofaging in place is an entryway.
A lot of our entryways havesteps, even if it's a flat rise.
From the sidewalk to your frontdoor or front patio.
There's probably a step to getinto the home which is not a big
(07:39):
deal, unless you're in awheelchair or you're using a
walker or, you know, maybethere's some vision problems or
cognitive problems it's just soeasy to trip over or get over
that step, even inside the home.
The thresholds or maybe you mayhave a lot of older homes have
wooden or metal thresholdsbetween rooms.
(08:02):
Now everything is all smoothand easy to maneuver through.
That is the process, so thosekinds of items can be used by
everyone.
Having a ramp up to the frontdoor, having a curbless entryway
, can accommodate everyone,doesn't necessarily mean that
it's just accommodating that oneindividual who may need that to
(08:25):
make life a little easier.
Wider doorways, again, areanother issue.
That is universal design.
Everybody in the home can usewider doorways.
It makes it much easier, saferfor everyone.
Bathrooms the things that youcan do in bathrooms are a
curbless shower, barrier-freetype of shower stalls with
(08:51):
built-in seating and handheldshower heads, and not just the
handheld shower head up on top,but also a component on the wall
where you can hang that showerhead right there, right next to
the seat, so you can sit and youcan shower.
They offer safety, they offerconvenience, along with things
(09:12):
like grab bars on your toiletsand in shower stalls.
They provide added support, andthese days grab bars are not
institutional looking.
I mean, yeah, you can still buythe institutional looking ones,
but they have some beautifulones.
You know, I personally have acurved, wavy grab bar in my
shower and in my bathtub and itjust looks like it's just part
(09:36):
of the design of that unit.
It doesn't look like a grab bar.
One thing I can recommend forshower heads also are the
magnetic shower heads that areremovable, and the reason I
recommend the magnetic isbecause then the other kind you
have to clip on, you have toplace it into its, its pocket in
(10:00):
order to stay there, but with amagnet, it, the back of the
shower head, is a magnet and sois the.
You know where you place it.
So all you have to do is justplace that shower head close to
it and it automatically connects.
So it makes it much easier.
It's one less thing to do.
It decreases the amount ofeffort to use it.
(10:22):
So I would recommend thosetypes of showerheads.
In the kitchen, of course,there's pull-out shelves.
A lot of people use pulloutshelves in their kitchens and I
think it's very important,especially for lower cabinets,
but you can also use these inthe bathroom as well.
There's so many available nowthat you know you can buy the
(10:44):
built-in ones.
Or, if you're renovating yourhome, you can use companies like
Closet by Design, californiaCloset, that they can put in
built-in shelves in there.
Of course, again in the kitchen, as I mentioned, very counter
heights, easy to reachappliances and easy to use
(11:04):
appliances, and to me a lot ofappliances are very easy to use
but not necessarily easy toclean, so I would opt for
appliances that are easy toclean and that will make your
life a lot easier.
I have given up quite a fewblenders here and there that
(11:25):
were not, or really foodprocessors that were not that
easy to clean, but nowadaysthey're much better.
Lighting lots and lots.
We need so much more lightingas we get older, so ample,
well-placed lighting reducesfall risks, reduces eye strain.
Motion sensor lights, as I saidbefore, are so important in
(11:48):
hallways, in bathrooms, kitchen,in and out of the garage,
anywhere you have steps, if youstill have to have steps
anywhere you want to make sureto have enough light there to
accommodate everyone and itbenefits everyone.
It doesn't not benefit anyonefor sure.
(12:10):
Not benefit.
I don't know that.
That's a phrase.
Smart technology, as I mentionedbefore, voice activated devices
, I think eventually are goingto be in every home on the
planet.
It seems like it at least.
Voice activated devices cancontrol just about everything,
(12:31):
from your oven to yourdishwasher to your washing
machine and dryer.
My washing machine and dryerare upstairs, so when I'm
running something upstairs, if Icome downstairs to work or do
something else, it will alert me, my phone will alert me to let
me know that the wash is done orthat the dryer is done, so I
(12:55):
can go.
I can then go up and fix that.
Or the other thing I can do isI can just tell my Alexa, you
know, set the timer for an hour,45 minutes, whatever, and then
it will, and then I know to goup.
But there's a lot of differentways that you can set alarms to
make your day a little easier sothat you don't have to remember
.
Oh yeah, you know.
(13:16):
You get into bed and you'relike oh, my goodness, I can't
believe I forgot everything inthe washing machine.
Probably have to wash it againnow.
That's been sitting there for awhile.
But voice activated devices areamazing and they're certainly
not going to go away.
If anything, we're only goingto incorporate them more and
more, though you can see thatthe benefits of Universal Design
(13:38):
are plentiful.
I mean, it allows older adultsto maintain their independence,
to stay in their homes longer,but not just longer in a
disabled way, because you canfall, be in a wheelchair and
still stay in your home.
But we all want to be asindependent and as healthy and
(14:02):
functional as possible for aslong as possible.
So why not take the initiativeto make that happen?
Use the tools that areavailable to do that?
Universal design benefitseveryone in the home.
As I said, it's reallywonderful for multi-generational
homes or homes that havedifferent, even if it's just two
(14:25):
people of two differentabilities.
You know a six-foot-three mancould be married to a
four-foot-two woman.
Foot three man could be marriedto a four foot two woman, and
they need two different sets ofcountertops or anything like
that.
It can also universal designcoupled with aging in place
design can prevent accidents,make living easier, safer, make
(14:48):
caregiving easier, safer, safer,and it truly enhances a home's
overall aesthetics and value.
Definitely enhances the value.
And if you do it with a agingin place specialist, a designer
that is certified in aging inplace and has the education of
(15:09):
Universal Design, that designercan help you to make that home
as aesthetically beautiful aspossible but at the same time,
safer and more comfortable foryou.
So if you're a homeowner and I'massuming you are listening to
this podcast or if you're afamily member with aging parents
(15:29):
who plans to age in place, Iwould recommend strongly to look
at an aging in place specialist, a designer that has an aging
that has aging in placecertification or, if you're
looking for major modifications,a builder or contractor that
has those certifications.
You can also consult with anoccupational therapist.
(15:51):
If there are medical issuesthat need to be addressed, such
as dementia or stroke orParkinson's, those issues could
be specifically looked at, takencare of by an educated OT.
You want to prioritize thechanges that you're going to be
(16:15):
making in the home you know,based on the current needs and
then, of course, any anticipatedneeds that you feel may be
coming.
And then, of course, you maynot know what's coming unless
you speak to a professional likean occupational therapist,
aging in place specialists andso on.
And you want to implement thesemodifications gradually because
(16:35):
one some of them can beexpensive, especially if you're
doing major remodeling.
Others may just cost a hundredbucks, 200 bucks, whatever may
not cost all that much, but youwant to spread out the costs and
minimize the disruption in thehome.
One of the first things you mayhave to do if you're looking at
remodeling a home of someonewho's been living in there a
(16:58):
very long time is the verypainful process of decluttering,
getting rid of excess furniture, changing furniture that may be
too big for the environment.
You know for the area that it'sin getting rid of a lot of
things that can cause futurefalls or injury, step to take
(17:22):
towards making a home safe andkeeping you as independent and
mobile and healthy as possible.
Isn't that what you really want?
I think we all do, I thinkeveryone wants that.
(17:45):
All right, I want to thank youso much for listening to our
podcast.
Of course, subscribe ourpodcast.
Of course subscribe.
We appreciate each and everysingle subscriber and I look
forward to seeing you, or, yep,seeing you next time.
Take care, bye.
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