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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is agreed to disagree with Mike and Bob. Yeah,
I'm looking at you. I'm looking at you, Sparty, the
guy with the Michigan state tattoo on his butt. You you,
I'm looking at you. The last time, the last time
you were right, Art Model's team was playing in Cleveland.
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The last time you were right, the Big ten was
actually relevant in football, and that'll be another fifteen. You're
just not allowed to do this stuff anymore against the rules. Uh,
I was just staring at you. I didn't bump you
or anything. You're not even allowed to look at me
with that look on your face. Welcome to another should
be award winning edition of Agree to Disagree, the show
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with the motto I'm right, he's wrong. That's that's what
the motto isn't taught. We taught each other. It's beautiful
evens out. What do they call that? Offset? I love
that's my favorite called football offsetting proto flags all over
the field. That these guys did something, and then these
guys did something, so never mind, right, it didn't really happen.
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Get go into the doc what's his name from um
Back to the Future's time machine, and it never happened.
You know, if they ever have a rule that you
can't talk to the officials, I'm done about. You'd be
thrown out. You you'd have more fifteen yard penalties than
any fan in n c A a history, more yellow
than Husfield on a Sunday afternoon or oh I thought
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I was thinking about seats and I was gonna say
more yellow than a Saturday afternoon when Pitt's playing in
FCS team. Okay, here we go, statement number one. It's
kind of a taunted pit there. That's I'm getting penalties.
I mean, how many can you give me before you
throw me out of here? Please do it before we're
done with Okay, statement number one, LEVI O line the
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way it is banner is a backup. I'm gonna reluctantly agree,
but I'm going to apply an asterisk. UH leave it
the way it is when the ball kicks off against
the Detroit Football Lions. UH continue to monitor the situation.
I wasn't happy with the acknowledged the step back in
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that Chicago game. I don't know what you can count
on from this line from from week to week. Hell,
I don't know what you can count on from quarter
to quarter or series. The series. I like continuity, I
like giving guys a chance to develop, but you also
have to win games now. So for the time being,
I'll agree, but don't hold me to it. I'm gonna
agree with the statement as well. Uh And but I
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I respect everything you said about you need to win
games now. You you can only pay so much respect
to developing young players and that kind of stuff. I
just don't know that putting Zack Banner in the game
or in the lineup fixes it. This is a valid point, um.
And you know, I'm not I'm not trying to rip
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Zack Banner or anything. I'm just not. But the way
if you if you decide to put Banner in, Okay,
the accompanying moves I believe are this. You gotta move
chokes from the right to the left because Banner isn't
the left tackle. You pulled Dan More and then you
put Banner in the right tackle. You know that doesn't
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stop your center from getting bull rushed into the backfield.
It does not, And there's no fix there. I mean,
you're living with that, right okay. And but the guy
on the left that's like really got my eye on him.
And you know, kudos to the job he did against
Miles Garrett. It's a lot to ask, and he battled willingly,
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but I still think that was more Ben Roth to
spurt your understanding that Dan Moore couldn't block Miles Garrett
and getting rid of the ball quickly. Uh, Matt Canada,
can I come in and talk to you for a minute.
I just checked. It's okay. It's not against the rules
to put somebody over there with Dan Moore to help him.
I believe the quarterback did that. I became a touchdown
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past to the tight end. Yes. Um. And it's not
necessary to go empty so much. It's just not you know,
put Derek Watt in there, put um, you know, Kevin
Rader in as a tight end over there. Whatever whatever
needs to be done. Um. You know, I think there
are things that you that can be explored, um, you know,
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to help Dan more. Because I'll say this too, and
and I didn't frame my response to this first statement
based on this, but it sure didn't sound like Mike
Tomlin was very much interested in uh changing the personnel
grouping and that starting offensive line. I get that impression
as well. But for some reason, uh, people are fixated
on Zac Banner mostly because most people don't keep their
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eye on the ball. Yes, I made a baseball analogy
that goes for fans, that goes for media. At least
we're talking about the right stuff here. Even though you're wrong,
and even though I'm right again, they're piling up. You're
doing it. Just don't running a follow the law. You
can't find me. We almost have anarchy. You can't right,
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dogs and cats living together. Point number two. That close
call against the Bears will serve as a wake up
call this week against the Detroit Lions, who are rebuildings.
Since either nine, the Bobby Lane curse still in effect. Yeah, well,
and he's he only put the curse on him for
fifty years. I guess they've been doing it themselves ever
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since like two thousand and seven. But anyway, UM, I'm
gonna disagree with that. I just don't believe that those
kinds of things have any carry over. UM. I don't. Well,
let me put it this way. It hasn't had any
carry over the last I don't know, fifteen twenty years
or so. Um. Necessarily, I just don't think it's an
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automatic um and so UM, so I disagree. I really
have no um solid reasoning behind it, except I can
just call on what I remember and have seen in
the past. Tom, I'd like that to be a drop
for future shows. I really have no solid reasoning behind
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it because it comes up more than he acknowledges. See
offsetting panels. That was a little bit of a pa
aggressive time. I was taunting you through I didn't directly
taunt you my bench and said, boy is that guy
am more on, Let's let's run down to the end
zone and take a picture. Um, but anyway, it's gonna
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take us a while. What do we walk and take
two pictures? Take them all. I'm gonna disagree as well. Um,
I don't think a wake up calls necessary. I don't
think the performance against the Bears um necessarily reflected at
that had been asleep or taking anything for granted. I
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think Justin Field started playing his backside off in that
fourth quarter. That throw he made when when he got
inside Alex Highsmith scrambling left and turning and dropping it
right in the bucket to Mooney in the end zone,
that was majestic stuff. I mean, this kid, we talked
on various programs before the game. He's got the goods.
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I just didn't think he necessarily be ready. I think
he started, you know, some stuff started a click, and
then Steelers invited throwing it down the field. They went
heavy box and a lot of man coverage and said,
we don't think you can do this. How do you
like me now? Not very much? But you know, the
point I'm trying to make a laboring to do so
is that you got that one on tape. I credit
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Chicago for playing better than I thought Chicago would fields
in particular, and the Steelers, at least, as Mike Thomlins said,
knuckled up and did what they had to do. At
the end of the game that punt returned, though, Hold,
don't get me started on that. Alright, one job, do
your job, I mean, come on, that's what really did. Yeah,
I'm hearing all this stuff about officiating, defensive collapse and
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oh my god, just catch the punt and hold the punt,
which is really the most important part. He does how
to catch the punt. It doesn't know how to hold
onto the punt. If that doesn't happen, it's a ten
point game, there's six minutes and change left. You run
some time off, punt it back, and it's a ten
point with didn't I just read the last one? No, yeah,
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I did. Okay, I'll read this one. Yeah I don't.
I don't want to take your turn. Let me, I'll
get another Tonic Fenally Statement number three, Eric Ebron is
the best alternative if chase Claypool's to chase Claypool's toe
injury side sidelines in for this week's game and maybe
beyond disagree and you had me yet Eric Ebron is
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the best alternative. That's where the disagree comes in. Does
It doesn't matter what you're applying to that. Uh No,
I mean no offense to Ibron. I think just the
way things have developed, he's kind of on the outside
looking in. Um. I'm a big fan of multiple tight ends.
And you know, if you don't have Claypool, you still
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have Deante Johnson and James Washington. I'd like to see more, too,
tight end if you have everybody healthy. I think Zach
Gentry might be the most improved player on the team.
I think he gives you options blocking and passing. UM,
I want to see, you know, to your point help
the line. Tight ends can do that. It's easier to
do that when you have two of them out there
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or three or three, and I think you and I
are both in agreement. Also that Kevin Raider is at
least NFL quality as a third tight end special teams guy. Yes,
so he can be on the roster. Um. Yeah, I
hope Chase Claypool's healthy, but I can find ways to
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work around. Using Eric Ebron is my save on that wound. Well,
let me say this. I'm going to um agree with
the statement, disagree with you, uh with with a couple
of caveats. Um, I think that if Chase Claypool is
missing for more than a week, UM, I do believe
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I wouldn't want to go through the rest of the
season with the core of wide receivers constituted as they
are right now. I do think you need to have
another kind of a threat to complement the guys that
you mentioned. No juju, no Chase Claypool. For me, UH
is a little bit too much of a hurdle to
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get over. So what I would do in terms of
using Eric Ebron as an alternative, I'm not saying I
would uh line him up as often as Chase Claypool
is out on the field, but I would have him
capable of doing some things that Chase Claypool does. Certain routes, um,
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certain combinations, certain groupings. Maybe use Ebron out there as
a way to at least make the defense respect that
the areas of the field that Claypool typically works. I
wouldn't use it as a full time thing. I wouldn't
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make it a regular thing because I think defenses would
quickly adapt to it and get the kind of people
covering Ebron that are not covering him when he plays
tight end, if you know what I mean. I don't
know that Eric Ebron's receiving skills would translate as well
if he was being covered by you know, a number
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one or number two corner as opposed to uh, you know,
a nickel or dime corner and or a safety or
a linebacker. So you still want to try and preserve
that situation. But I do think you want to also
occupy uh the opposing defense with a receiver who is
a little bit better than Ray Ray McLeod or maybe
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they bring up Anthony Miller from the practice squad and
White Cody White, um. And again I'm not rejecting those
guys necessarily, but I just want to at least have
some more options on the table than they would currently
have with the grouping the receiver group that they have
right now, or you covered a lot of ground there
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in a short period of time. Just throw at the
friarmooth more. Okay, like I get it, Correct me if
I'm wrong. When they drafted him, everybody said, boy, this
guy's great. What a great pick this is. This is
really gonna help. And then throughout the O T A.
S everybody said, boy, this guy's great. It's a great
guy to have on your team. He's really gonna help.
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And then a training camp everybody said, stay with me, boy,
this guy is great. This is really gonna help. And
in the regular season came and they didn't throw up
the ball, and the last couple of weeks they've thrown
up the ball and he's got three touchdowns in two games.
And I think that stuff is sustainable. Oh, I don't
disagree at all. I'm just saying that. Um. You know,
the other team has coaches too, and that's not always
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necessarily a shot. Um. But I think that if friar
move continues on the track that he's on, and I
would be certainly in favor of the Steelers doing everything
in their power and the quarterback doing everything in his
power because he's the guy with the ball in his hand.
Let's not yes, um that jagging him by the way. Yeah,
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every time Friday was come, he's okay for a rookie
or some little shot he takes. I don't know. I
try to keep in line, keep him working hard, keeping
you know. I mean, he's um. Fans might think he's Heath,
but don't forget Heath and number seven were boys, and
so I think he just wants to remind him that,
despite what he might hear be hearing from the Hines
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Field crowd, every time he catch is the ball, He's
not in that leg yet, not yet, not yet right,
Don't not saying he can't get there. Um, but he
still has a ways to go. Uh. But I do
think though, that if Firemouth continues on the pace that
he's been on the last couple of weeks, Uh, the
other team might start viewing him in a little different light.
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That's fine. Yeah, I'm still gonna be a matchup issue,
I understand. And again, I'm just talking about options. I'm
not saying ignore him. The big guys are too slow
and the little guys ain't big enough. The fast little guys. Again,
I'm all in favor of throwing him the ball more,
particularly when you get down in that area and that's
kind of near the end zone where they pour the
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ketchup out of the battles. Yeah that's the place. Yeah, yeah, okay,
all right, so there's that one of us. Maybe they
would have scored more points the other night than they
wouldn't as you get the town penalty decided the game.
I don't know if the Bears are saying that, a
lot of people are saying, yeah, which is stupid. It's stupid.
It Oh, absolutely, it's stupid. Um And I'm stupid because hey,
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you're stupid to do it and be it's stupid to
think that that decided the game. And um, I don't understand.
You know a lot of people who have who lived
through the player's Safety initiative in it's it doesn't matter
what anyone thinks or how much they complain. The NFL
wants this, So the officials are going to call it
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and they don't care if it decides games. By the way,
I'm with the coach on this one, and Merrill Hodge
I am in agreement with this emphasis. Um, you knows
as I try and tell people and that's fine that
you are. It doesn't matter what you think though, No,
it doesn't matter what the fans think, it doesn't matter
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what the commentators think. It doesn't matter because over the
course of a bye week, James Harrison went from a
guy who never ever was penalized for unnecessary roughernence or
personal files to a guy who was a filling of
the leak. Yeah, and this one conversely, I mean, if
you didn't see this coming as somebody who's involved and
you just weren't paying attacks, weren't paying attention, notice was given,
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emphasis was made, the priests, everybody knew the score coming in. Yes, Um,
it's like getting mad at the sun for rising in
the east. Uh, it's the way it is. And that'll
do it for This should be award winning edition of
Agree to Disagree. Way better than you. You brought this
episode on the right. We got through. Talk to you
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all next week. You're not good at this