Navigating AI: Apple, Disney, and the Quantum Leap

In Season 2, Episode 2 of AI Chronicles, hosted by Jay and Keith, examines the integration and impact of AI in major companies like Disney and Apple. They discuss BobContinue readingNavigating AI: Apple, Disney, and the Quantum Leap

Episode Transcript

(00:00):
Welcome to the Ai Chronicles season 2. Episode
2.
Today, we delve into how 2 of the
world's largest companies are handling artificial intelligence.
We start by discussing Bob Ig recent comments
on how he thinks Walt Disney would feel
about Ai.
Next, we discuss Apple's approach to using Ai.
We'll also visit the topic of Elon musk's

(00:21):
recent bread to ban apple from Tesla's automobiles.
We found the Internet's most viral Ai.
Image?
Have you seen it?
Finally, we'll cover some news about quantum time
travel. Have we finally unlock the door to
travel through time. Run for it at Marty.
And now say hello to my 2 favorite
humans, Jay and keep, tuck Take it away

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humans.
Jay.
What's happening?
Much, man. I love Alan. He's great. So
so, you know, is is it enduring that
he can't. It's that pronunciation thing that you
he can't quite get right from a machine.
Yeah. It's it's definitely the the inflection is
not there, man. You know? Right? So... The

(01:04):
Ai
image.
Right. Bob Ig.
Bob Ig.
And take it away.
Keith and jay.
So by the way, the 1 thing that
A cannot help us with here today is
the video lag to audio.
It's only me. Yeah. It is. It's only
It's always me. It is. It really usually

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is. So
but, you know, man, I kinda love this
podcast
a lot because
we use...
Exclusively Ai,
and it takes a lot of our work
out of it.
So jay, for those of...
You just kept joining, catching, finding

(01:45):
whatever this podcast?
What's this thing about, man?
Artificial intelligence dude. So we put together a
little
a little... This is not our only podcast,
but we felt like...
There's so much to talk about an Ai,
and we're learning as we go. Both of
us that...
Yeah. Now if we could just get the

(02:05):
machine learning to fix my...
It's like watching and Bruce Lee movie. Right?
Isn't it funny though, dude? Yeah. I know
it's it's like... You you still have even
with all of the technology.
And advanced technology, we now have versus when
we just started this thing back in 2018,
not this particular podcast, but our other 1.
We still have the glitches going, man. It's

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it's interesting, and I think that that's inevitable
with technology,
and, you know, because a lot of the...
It's just all this integration stuff that goes
on with what we're... With with and how
we do this. Right? It's that... So there's
always gonna be some language that just doesn't
work with the other. Right? Right. And that
how it kinda works? Yeah.

(02:46):
So for...
And you heard... In the intro talk... You
know, we're gonna talk a little bit about.
By the way, that's all... That's all... I
I think I know how to fix the
lag. I'll get to that in a minute,
But that Alan as we call him. Alan
that's all machine learning.
We basically plug in topics for the show.
We

(03:06):
let automation that... That's a fake voice. It's
not a real person.
And then we take that and put it
into
a
character,
like,
I know. And an
type... Not not an, but, you know, a
cartoon 2. It it it listens to the
audio and
does his whole voice over. The thing that

(03:28):
it can't quite figure out
is,
when the music's is playing, he still moves
his mouth because he thinks that's, like, words.
Right. Right. You know, well, when you think
about this? Right? What would Walt Disney do?
He would do a better job than this.
I'm pretty sure. In fact, let me see
if I can

(03:49):
let me see if I can fix this
whole camera thing. Go ahead, man. And and
what walt Disney Dj? What Wood Walt Disney
do?
Look, man, this this whole Ai thing. Yeah.
You know, it it it's still it's very
impressive with the fact that we have
now,
with, especially and we'll get deeper into this

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as Alan said in the beginning, Apple Ai,
the the new...
Ios that Apple has come out with for
for multiple devices.
It's it still
blows my mind that
the the the
the software can do what it does. Just
is. Peer. Peer. Peer. Peer. By the way,

(04:32):
you guys, if you're not watching this, you're
missing out,
I have camera problems. They're better. Right Jay?
Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Okay. You're yeah. You're a
lot better. So it's not perfect, But you
can watch this video over on our Youtube
channel. It's a video podcast, and you can...
That's
Youtube dot com forward slash parts counter.
That's right.
The other thing I wanted to add to

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that is is that some of the...
Information that we
are discussing today on this podcast,
if you will go to the counter show,
which is our automotive
centric
camping,
off road,
whatever,

(05:13):
emo mobility,
our alternate oh, look at that so cool,
dude.
See? Ad moment. Sorry. Automotive camping, we'll get
back to that. Yeah. Or anyway... The counter
show. The counter show. So if you easily
distracted.
I know. But we talked... About some things
that are actually related to what we're talking
about today,

(05:34):
having to deal specifically with Elon,
and his shenanigans. Oh yeah. We promised stuffed
follow up over on this show,
Yeah. Which we are going to get to,
before we get to that,
so this is a
follow
Yeah. If you guys
leave a comment, I'll tell you how I
did it. Oh, is that the new

(05:54):
shape shifting Stanley Cup. Yeah. Oh,
good Well play, Jay. We're working on a
partnership with Stanley.
So Bob Ig or Bob Ig as Alan
referred alan to him.
Made...
Some public comments lately,
and he was
this is during a

(06:15):
a speak that he was giving with kent...
Jr or are from familiar with kent Can?
Yeah. Okay. Yep. I I've used it. It's
it's essentially a... I don't use it, but
I know what it is. Yes. It if
you've ever used Powerpoint or Google has 1
well, Google slides, I think it is,
But slide deck presentation. So Can is a
web based. Alternative to that. And they do

(06:37):
use a little bit of Ai in there.
Yep. So Bob
I,
Ig
is an investor in Canada. Yes. And and
that's... He was speaking.
And the concept or the, I guess, the
the the topic of
Ai came up with Disney because, you know,

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Bob for those of you that don't know
is back as at the helm of Disney,
Yes. After retiring. And he said,
I think Walt would be a fan of
it.
And
Walt Disney was definitely into future technology.
No question. Right? Oh, I, he's... He invented

(07:20):
so much with the the the ability to
create the the cartoons, the the anime. Yeah.
Is he he developed their specific camera that
he used. The world of tomorrow does the.
As, you know, Yep con.
Scott was it a... It... Literally in the
name, of an experimental prototype community of tomorrow.
Right? Yep. Yep.
Yep. And

(07:40):
Yeah. The that I think the question is
how would Walt Disney
use it or as you as you put
it, what would Walt Disney do?
Right. What wood walt Disney he do?
And you know... Yeah. Go ahead. III hate
this and we should have asked him on
for this, and maybe we'll get...
Our good friend who is an actor,

(08:01):
and that would be Marlin young. Oh, yeah.
There yeah. Yeah. Marlin had many roles. And
still has many roles on Netflix.
He was
he was on career enthusiasm,
he was
part of the... What was the big...
The entourage. Entourage. He was he was ru

(08:21):
in, entourage. He was recurring. Character there. So
anyway, but, you know, he would be a
good person to ask. You know, because, obviously,
with the big strike recently because of Ai,
Well, and and and Bobby got himself in
a little bit of trouble because the
the the Disney folks felt like, you know,
they may lose their jobs over

(08:43):
over Ai taking their place. Right? And you...
Some of them... The May,
I I, you know, I can't say for
sure, Keith. I mean, neither can you? And
neither can they,
I do believe that if Walt Disney were
alive
that he would embrace this
and obviously put some some guard rails in

(09:03):
place. But That's the 1 I want. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You what I mean? And
and he's he's no dummy. He it takes
people to create.
You know, And and Ai as we get
into this a little bit further because
Ai is not,
immune to pla.
Right? Oh, no. Like, Absolutely. I mean, that's

(09:26):
why I started putting
hidden, like,
Well, in a in a... This is the
best way I can explain it. In a
camera
image, A digital camera image. Now you can
take that on your phone. You could take
that on
like a digital
s s Dslr s.
Mh.
There is a file
that is included in every picture, Did did

(09:48):
you know this Jay?
Don't know that I did, man. Okay. Something
that's... Is it an embedded? Well,
yeah. It's embedded in the image. And it
has the camera model that was used, Gps
location of the image if you turn that
on, which most people by default have it
turned on. That... That's why the phone. Like,
your apple photos and... No. My my my

(10:09):
S r has gps as Gps in? Has
it as well. Okay. Yeah. And my Gopro
does 2, I guess. Yeah? Your So
anyway, there's a there's a file. Right? And
forensic, guys like that do like,
any kind of crime scene investigation, a lot
of times they'll look at that data. So
Adobe has started doing something similar with any

(10:31):
any
artificially created
whether it's an image or a movie or
sound byte. They're putting tags in that file
that basically say
it it's it's artificially created.
Interesting there. Yeah. And we'll get into that
a little bit. That story here. We'll... Yeah.
So So

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now, Would walt Disney be...
How, you know, how would he be using
it? And and I sort of feel like
he would probably be a little bit more
in favor of, kind of the way Apple
is approaching it, which is...
And Not it's not a do my job
for me. It's kinda like what you said.
It's a, let's see how we can make

(11:12):
this better and more
future tech.
Exactly. Yeah. I just feel that that's the
way he would approach that.
I mean, look look.
If anybody had a vision
on
how we were gonna be in this day
in time. It was Walt Disney. I mean,
this is why he created
such attractions as it's a small world.

(11:35):
And the reason why.
Right? Carousel progress that's absolutely correct. And, you
know, let's take a look and go back
to the late eighties
in mid eighties, You know, when we we
started seeing Internet and email. And all of
a sudden, you're connecting with people globally. And,
yeah,
that's when the perspective really hits you. It's
like, yeah, it is a small world, man.

(11:57):
And then you take it for granted today
that I can just reach out to my
buddy down in Brazil on Whatsapp.
You know?
Just chatting, just texting. Whatever I wanna do.
And, you know,
30 years ago, we couldn't do that. Yeah,
man. What that thing on Internet man Just
throw on there. Point and click getting and

(12:18):
talk about w w dot w com me.
You got in net neck checks on there.
Made you go click click click click click
It's really. It just never gets old. That's
Bi.
Blue power intelligence.
Nice. Yeah. Yeah. So this is Ladies and
Gentlemen, and That's our. That's our
that's our b version B I, not Ai.
Songs have been written about this, but like,

(12:39):
my dad, a lot of people's grand ads,
World war 2, you know, writing letters from
their base to send home to their wives
or sweetheart. And, you know, like, you're getting
mail from the Philippines. You know, like, mh.
In weeks,
and months. Right. Weeks if you're lucky.
You?

(12:59):
They were doing that then when our Us
postal serves can't even hardly pull that off
now.
Because they're... Yeah. Because of the dip shit
going on over.
Oh.
Could we use Ai
to fix the Us postal? If you want
if you wanna introduce Ai to take away
some jobs, man, please. Whatever you do. That

(13:20):
on the Usps. Give it give it to
the Us postal service, man. They need all
the damn help they can get over there,
man.
Just say, man. And and, you know, honestly,
I I mean, no offense to people working
in the postal community, but I've seen some
of your employees.
I've dealt with him.
Okey doki, man. We ain't quite got a
dozen yet. There's there's good use cases for

(13:43):
Ai. There's bad use cases.
As I told my son over the weekend,
you know, I I saw the documentary
terminator,
I know how this 1 ends. Yeah. Yep.
But
I kind of feel like
there are... If If you don't wanna do

(14:03):
a good job in whatever line of work
you're in, they're... You're just upping the chances
that you're gonna
you're gonna get replaced. Everybody go ask
angel
Hernandez.
Am Am I saying that right? Is it
is that right? Well, I I know who
Her hernandez. I I think you did.

(14:25):
Who is Angel Hernandez?
I
retired. He was
widely regarded as the most horrible on empire
in Major League baseball of our time. Oh,
I was about to say It just sounds
like he play... He plays Out field or
something for something, man. If you if you
want to sure stop. You can go on
Youtube and just type in Angel Her Fernandez

(14:46):
On empire.
Mh. And
Jay, it's not that he makes bad calls.
I mean, we're all human.
Okay? Way the though?
The way that he doubles down
and triples down in arguments with the players
and and the coaches when he makes a
bad call. And, of course, now we have
the review process, well, they're... They'll just look

(15:07):
at the video from 3 different angles. Right?
Right. Right. And his strike zone, man,
it it was really bad. So the more
that you kinda protest,
the more likely when you're wrong,
the more likely. So he retired. Right? Because.
And and coincidentally,
he retired
just as we're starting to implement more and

(15:29):
more
technology
into the game of baseball,
which is a whole other... That's a whole
other conversation in terms of how I feel
about that, but you know, we've got... They're
dialing in on that strike up.
They are... And I've... I've seen some questionable
Yeah. Calls this year for sure.
But it's been that way. But... Yeah. If

(15:51):
you wanna write that ship, yeah. You you
introduce some technology for that, and and it's
easily fixed. So so to bring this full
circle, I don't think Walt Disney
would just train Ai on better movie making.
He would
he might.
But but Walt Disney was very much a

(16:11):
Steve jobs type in the sense that. Mh.
Movies were the way
of his era to communicate in the most
advanced way possible. From a Right storytelling perspective.
Right?
We have better ways now. I don't know
that he would
necessarily
just

(16:32):
get think about Steve jobs, like, when it
was time to, like, discontinue a product, he
never looked back.
Right. You know, it was we're not doing
that anymore. It's done. It's gone. Yep. And
on to the next thing. Right? Yep.
I don't remember if the ipod itself was
discontinued while he was still
around, but I know there have been plenty

(16:54):
of examples that Apple just basically said, yeah.
We're not doing that anymore. I mean, maybe
the most famous 1 they got rid of
floppy drives, You know? And yes. And and
they... Yeah. We don't them And then they
got of.
Dvd drives and went yeah. Don't need them.
And
jobs was very much a forward looking forward
thinking person. And so I don't think it's
fair

(17:15):
in the same light to, basically corner Walt
Disney into
well, he would just use Ai to make
movies.
Right. Yeah. I don't think so. I'm I'm
with. I I think he would do a
lot more with it.
Yeah. For for certain. He's that guy. He's
an innovator. And I I like the analogy
of the Steve jobs
and and well, I I think you could
put those guys in the same corner. So

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there's a there's a young lady by the
name of Jenny Nicholson.
And this has been all over the news,
at least my news feed lately.
She's a content creator.
She
she's a she's a she's a fellow nerd,
and she's
very into, like, Sci.

(17:57):
Mh. And there was a hotel that that
Disney
opened a couple years ago was the start
was a themed Fantasy hotels the Star Wars
hotel.
Interesting.
Did you know about this? No. Where's this
at? It's not there. It's... With... They closed
it. So it was open for about a
year.

(18:17):
In Orlando? It was in Orlando it was
on park property and the whole concept was
you go to space. You're you're in the
Star Wars universe.
Okay. Okay. So every everybody's... All the characters,
the ship, the the ship's captain, You're on
a you're on a space cruise. It's a
cruise Crew. It's a 2 day cruise in
space. That's awesome. There's no 1... Like, you

(18:38):
look out the windows you see stars. Right?
You're on spaceship. Yeah. And, like, there's there's
alien races. There's a Twilight singing in the
lounge? There's... Do you get, like,
you know, transmitter and and Well, you can
talk to... I mean,
start
it's star wars. Star wars star trek. Yes.
I... I've I've that would be cool. There's

(18:59):
a hilarious t shirt that says, like,
Star Wars number 1 fan and then it
has a picture of the enterprise on it.
Oh, that's funny. Just messing with people.
So...
And
Jay, this video is 4 hours long.
Wow. 4 hours long.
And she goes into wyatt it failed. I

(19:20):
think the title is like the epic failure
of Disney Star Wars Galactic Star Cruiser. Or
something like... Okay. And it is so well
done.
That Disney themselves should take note. And I'm
sure they have.
And
learn from her. Like, they need to have
hers an adviser.
And she she goes into, like, you know,
you could be using technology

(19:42):
to
you know, you you give me this app
on my phone and there's these pad communicators
all over the
the ship. Right? And it's, like, sleep on
it. It's... It it was like 6000 dollars
for 2 nights. It's crazy expensive.
It'll ask you like, do, you know, quite
and it wants to see where your loyalty
is? Do you do you side with the

(20:03):
Republic? Do you side with the smugglers? Right?
Like, are you are you a friend of
the of the
of the empire. Right? Like, what's your...
And she's like, you could be taking my
answers,
and all your cast members are wearing your
earpiece?
Using technology
to basically run that through your algorithm and
and and factor that into how... Certain characters

(20:25):
speak to me. Am I a friend or
a foe? Am I an Ally or not?
Can you trust me? Right? Right? Like, use
the technology? Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. That's pretty cool Out... Yeah. So... That's
pretty cool. The the amazing thing about this
told Jenny Nicholson video because you and I
know this, to get a 4 hour video
into the algorithm and have that algorithm.

(20:47):
The New York Times has picked up the
story. Everybody's talking about it and her. And
and friends of mine, I'm like, have you
seen... And they're like, oh, yeah, Dude. I'm
watching it now. And it's like, it's in
all of our algorithms. This girl pulled off
a 4 hour long Youtube video,
and she's got millions of views off of
it. That's crazy. It is. So

(21:08):
I think in closing that she's right, Walt
Disney himself would be using this technology to
make your experience more futuristic.
Yeah.
With things like, well, if it wouldn't have
closed and failed,
the Galactic star cruiser experience. Jay. Go go
look up that thing if you haven't. Okay.
It's faster. I will. I will. I'll have

(21:28):
plenty of time when I'm flying this week.
So yeah. Here you go. Star wars Galactic
Star.
Right all.
AAA
former... Well, Steve Jobs own Disney stock, I
guess,
Apple,
being a close partner. You know, well, Disney
bought Pixar and all that. Right? That's right.
Yep. So Apple steps into the Ai game

(21:50):
officially.
Of recent days.
In in in a way only Apple
can pull off,
which is basically
2 things.
And before I say this, I gotta qualify
this statement.
And Jay, Jay knows if I'm if I'm
line j, like, hold me accountable. Okay? Okay?
Okay.

(22:10):
I have
used Apple products for years.
I carry an apple certification.
I
own first generation iphone.
I've, I've spent plenty of money in apple's
direction.
Apple
basically has just turned into a me mewtwo.
Like, the this whole... Their whole announcement W

(22:33):
was basically stuff that you could do on
android phones a year ago.
Right.
Exactly.
It's really nothing new.
And what's funny is this? Remember when when
this came out, it was the big talk
on all the major networks.
And
there was a reporter that was telling the

(22:55):
story about, you know, the features stuff.
Forgot forgotten. And I'm glad you brought this
She says, well,
because somebody says, well doesn't,
you know, doesn't
Android already have. This technology.
And she's like, yes. You're correct. But, you
know, Apple's 1 of those companies, They just
kinda... They don't jump right in. They just

(23:15):
kinda step back and wait for it to
happen. And I'm like,
wrong answers. That's
today
today.
They they were.
The leaders in this industry up until
probably the... Well, since jobs is left, it's
been very hard to to find anything exciting.
I I think the game has become not
to bash apple, but the game has kind

(23:36):
of become. Let's keep the shareholders happy. Let's
find it we can milk and milk it.
Right. Absolutely. And the innovation just isn't there.
No. So
they're playing around with Ai as all these
tech companies in Silicon Valley are.
And their version of Ai,
Jay, you're gonna be able to speak to

(23:57):
this better than I am, but it's
it's basically a more
my,
focused user experience.
Meaning,
they're not thinking about how to use Ai
in a year or 5 years, they're like,
how's it gonna help you on your text
messages today? Right? Right. Absolutely. And it's it's

(24:21):
it's it's how they're going about doing this.
But, yeah, let let's get into some of
that... The features and, you know, like,
how... Like you just said, how we're able
to text
there's enhanced features with Siri,
Siri supposed to be
thousand times better than than what she is
now, which

(24:42):
I
I don't know that was Siri really that
bad. I mean,
I mean, hello. Right? I think it's limited,
You know, for... In this true for all
of them, I'm not just pick it on
apple, but Amazon's version, all of them are,
you know, you ask them things like,
you know, what what's the definition of and
they might get that right if you give
a dictionary word, but

(25:04):
you get into some of this stuff and
they just stumble. You know, what
like, trying to get, like, ball game schedules
and it's really, really, like...
It would... Seemingly not that difficult. Right. Right.
But Right.
This
some of the features like the new ability...
I mean, there are... They can already transcribe,

(25:26):
but
it it... So let me just say this.
Some of the functions are already there. Mh.
They're just enhanced with this new Ai driven
operating system,
to kinda basic... It's to make your experience
much better
because Apple realizes that most people that own
Apple products don't just stop with the phone.

(25:48):
You know, it's a whole ecosystem
So they're trying to... They realize that
most everyone uses their phone for everything.
But every once in a while, you're hopping
onto to your your imac or your Macbook
pro or whatever, your ipad
and

(26:08):
they want
that device, that phone
to be right in your face all the
time even while using these other devices.
So no matter what you do with this
new operating system, you're gonna be able to
still utilize the phone
or its functions through these other devices. Now
that's not to say that that isn't happening

(26:30):
some now already because it is, like,
with the
cloud
you know, key chain
to where you can,
you know, text from your from your imac
if you get a text on your phone.
The though... Some of those things are not
new to us, but it's supposed to the

(26:50):
the Ai
interaction
is
supposed to make your job much easier.
And I find it interesting how they're pitching
their Ai though.
And
what's funny to those? III saw I like,
well, that's creative. Right? It's Apple intelligence. It's
not artificial intelligence. Apple Whoa.

(27:11):
Right? Yeah. I mean, I was Yeah. Blow
my mind, man. Right. Right. Yes.
But what I don't like is the fact
that
they're using their consumers.
To
they're they're playing
long down the road with their their artificial
intelligence

(27:32):
development
Mh. And they're using their consumers like crazy.
So there's gonna be some things on this
new Ios that I personally do not wanna
participate in, man. So, you know, there... There's
another aspect of this that we should probably
mention. Apple has
long touted
privacy. And we've been at events in Las

(27:53):
Vegas and various... And you see, like, Apple
basically just
playing the... We're the most
secure
user experience platform on the planet game. Mh.
And that may be true, and their promising
that with their Ai, they're not gonna use
it in a way that
kinda like Adobe who's been under fire the

(28:13):
past week because
Essentially, Adobe requires
everyone that uses their product to sign an
agreement that allows Adobe to access your work.
Yeah. Now if you're creative. So if you're
an artist,
if you're a video creator, because remember, they
have, like,
they have
Well, they have lightroom for photographers, the course

(28:34):
photoshop, 1 of their flagship products.
They have
video creation
platforms now too. They have social media content
creation platforms.
And so
you... They got a lot of, like, plaque
on socials from, you know, people tweeting back
at them going bro? What if I have
an Nda and I work at, like a
like a

(28:55):
ad agency and I'm working with the company
and that... It's all confidential and private, and
I'm doing image work for Coca Cola or
whatever, and that can't get out.
Right. And you're telling me you you you
need to access it. Well, that's a breach.
Like, I can't share this with anyone. Right.
Yeah. That's just I I didn't I didn't
look at it in that perspective. Yeah. That's
that's a... From a business standpoint. I mean,

(29:17):
and we all know what they went through
with the integration with outlook. You know, Right?
That was a big deal. Well, that's Microsoft.
Right? But right. But... But I'm talking about
on an apple product. Oh, right. Yeah. Yeah.
You know, a security standpoint. So other Ai
companies,
are
and and open Ai who will get to
in a minute and Adobe and Microsoft and

(29:38):
all of them are basically... You're you're telling...
They're telling you straight up when you agree
to use that product.
By giving you access to our product.
We're gonna take everything you do, and we're
gonna target our machines on it, and we're
gonna train them and learn from it. What,
you. Awesome Is that correct? You tend a
naked picture of your cat up to the
up to the cloud. Our Ai is gonna

(30:00):
be all over that sucker and learn from
it. Right? Yep. Absolutely. Man. Keep some people
gonna be getting in trouble. Right. And so
Apple is saying,
we won't do that, and they do build
the chips
where they heck it can do better machine
learning and keep it on the localized device.
Right. Right?
Who
do you trust them? I mean, I don't,

(30:21):
you know, I don't
I don't. I don't trust any of them,
actually. I mean, let's face it. This is
what Meta has been doing now forever. Right?
This is what Meta does. They basically take
everything you own. Everything. Right. Everything that you've
ever
put out there
and they have it. So that's the 1
thing that I think people must understand about

(30:42):
artificial intelligence.
Artificial intelligence, like... So so when they release
chat Gp. Right? The first version of. Yeah.
Which is an open Ai product. Right? Right.
And the the the information that it used
to pull pull from until the next gen
came out was only good up until about
the year 20 20 or 20 21 or
something like that. Right? So... Right. If you

(31:04):
were to ask it a question,
that was relevant to 20 24 in that
version. It couldn't...
It it had nothing to pull from because
it it didn't exist.
That's it. So it's only as good as
the data that it it get it ingest
what we put into it. Right?
And
But what you were talking about is the

(31:25):
actual machine learning,
and who does a better job at that?
That's a question.
So
Is it Apple or is it Microsoft and
is Apple wise going down this path by
keeping
it close to the vest? Doesn't that put
them in a different light though from others?
Because
that's a problem for certain

(31:48):
certain
heavy hit out, maybe we'll we'll we'll talk
about that shortly. So to answer that question,
I must ask you a question.
Okay. Okay. But I do feel like we're
gonna peel the Onion back until we get
to whatever's in the center. I don't know.
But
so

(32:09):
apple has been in and it's become public,
touting a partnership with without Open. Meaning they've
been pursuing that. They they kinda... They're looking
into it They wanna make it happen.
Right. That's interesting. Before we get to that,
may I ask you... I'm gonna ask you
this, Jay. So your personal opinion.
Do you view what apple's doing as...

(32:32):
Okay. So there are various forms of Ai.
Right? There there is the
help me do my job better, which is
kinda what we do. Right? You know, We
go in and we put a script in
and it cranks out, like,
Allen, you know? And we get to use
Alan
instead of, like, 1 of us, and it's
entertaining. Right? Or Right. You know, there are

(32:52):
various things like, help help me write a
show... Leave it for show summary. Mh. So
when we're done with the show, we'll dump
the audio into, Ai, and it'll spit out
the transcript. Right? Mh.
There is a
version of Ai that I can look at

(33:12):
as being kind of a portable calculator, like
a scientific calculator.
How many people after high school really remember
tri and calculus? And how many people actually
need it? Right? Right. Yeah. And can you
just use your calculator for that once or
twice you might need it in 10 years.
Right.
And so there's that version of Ai, like,

(33:33):
how many people... We're not all script writers.
We're not all, you know, how many people
actually need
to be able to be that well spoken
that you can write a thesis and, you
know, or right. You know, you're writing articles
for an online publication or what have you.
Right? Right.
And I feel like that's what apple's trying
to help people with here. It's better... It's

(33:55):
performance focused. Now there's some cool little
emoji stuff and cool little things that they're
doing that you can have fun with your
friends and do all the cool little, like,
make me look like I'm driving a race
car or whatever, and that's great. Right? Mh.
But then you get into
the,
you know, make
make this fake movie trailer with Tom Cruise,

(34:15):
Right,
which is the other side of Ai. Mh.
So so my question to you is
Do you think
do you think it's okay
Do you... Is this a calculator scenario? Right?
Like, is it okay that we're using Ai
like a calculator with rig?

(34:37):
Or has it become the kind of thing
where It's getting out of hand
and
is is Apple taking the right approach here.
I do think it's getting out of hand.
I really do.
And I don't know if this approach is

(34:58):
the right approach or not. I don't have
that answer.
I know that what some of the things
that
that I read
when this thing was released,
it certainly made me reconsider being a consumer
of Apple products. Is there any anything that
you... Like, as an example that you can

(35:19):
point to?
The fact that they're monitoring everything I text,
everything that I email everything,
every picture that I take, every everything. And,
I mean, again, Meta already doing that. We
know that. Right? And I have a big
problem with with that.
So
I think that there is a boundary and
over the line stepping that may may have

(35:42):
gone on with this.
And that's what bothers me the most. I
I think that
I think that, yes, right now, we're at
a
point in time where
I mean, look, the developers of Ai,
you know, the the the the recent people
that have come out and said, hey,
You know, we need we need some police

(36:03):
on this, guys. Well, and some of those
people were dismissed. Right? June
they were. Yes.
That's what I'm saying. And so...
And and again, it's not... I don't think
that it's
it's at this point
nefarious
being used,
but

(36:23):
not by
not
based on what I can tell,
but maybe it is. I don't know. I...
All I can say is this is that
as a consumer
Or as a as a supplier of products
to to to consumers period.
Feedback is is is golden. Right? That's the
number 1 thing. You know, you drive a

(36:44):
car,
and you go buy a new car and,
you know,
everybody hates the new
redesign because you took away all my buttons,
man. Now, I got this touchscreen. So
then the next year they come out with
a new design.
We we listen to what you guys had
to say. We put more buttons back in
and, you know, all this sort of stuff.

(37:04):
Right? That's
that's kinda of what this is,
but overs stepping in my opinion because
they're getting your opinion and your information without
you even knowing that you're given the damn
opinion.
You catch my drift. You're giving them information,
and you just don't even realize it. And
what you were saying about agreements, like,

(37:26):
with with Adobe,
with people who have Nda.
I mean, this is a harmful
situation. This could definitely be a problem from
a security standpoint
for companies, man, period. This is getting weird.
You know why? Why?
You know who agrees with you, Jay? Who.

(37:46):
That guy right there.
Yeah.
Back guy right there
and you. Now,
if you guys have your differences
and maybe he's going about this for some
underlying regions that, reasons that
serve his own personal interests, but

(38:07):
Does the ins justify the means? Meaning, you
know, he he has his own reasons for
wanting to take a stance against Apple doing
this. You have your reasons that you've Fair...
You you've pretty clearly laid out here. Mh.
Is it okay
to stand together with Elon Musk?
I think that people need to listen to

(38:27):
him.
I think that he's... I think that he
has a very
Now
the way that he's approaching this
is gonna is gonna be problematic, I think
for him.
Okay. So you're you're talking about his statement
that he said,
I'm gonna ban all Apple devices

(38:49):
from
Tesla,
automobiles, I guess, Mh. Where he was going.
If
open Ai, which again as a reminder, is
the parent company of Chad Gp,
Correct. Is integrated with Apple devices at the
operating system level. That means
if you build chat Gp
into ios

(39:10):
27 or whatever version they're on? This would
be 18. Okay. Thanks.
He... He's he's gonna block you from syncing
your iphone
with his test with the Tesla's. Right. No
Apple carplay.
Right? Right? Mh.
And the reason that he gave... Let me
let me let me quickly pull this up

(39:32):
on screen. This echoes,
I'm gonna read what he said, Jay, And
then I'm going to
we're gonna we're gonna break it down together.
So
So as I bring it up on screen
here, too many buttons, man.
I need 1 of those, like,
Dj. Look can look at consoles. Okay. So
where can we...

(39:53):
Musk, you see... This is from Reuters
basically, there's the headline. Right? If you... If
you're not seeing what's on screen, go over
and watch the video podcast. Musk warns that
evil ban apple devices,
if Open Ai is integrated at operating system
level.
And the quote for Elon is, that is
an unacceptable security violation. Yep.

(40:14):
Yeah. Visitors will have to check their Apple
devices at the door where they will be
stored in a far day cage. He won't
even let them into,
his manufacturing facilities.
Right?
And,
Far day cage for those of you that
don't know basically is gonna block. It's gonna
it's gonna make any
communication in and out of that phone, meaning

(40:35):
whether it's cellular signal or Wifi or whatever
it it'll block that. Okay? Yes Those are
heavily used
in law enforcement.
Investigations where they have to
gather evidence and... Yeah. That way, nothing can
ping to it. Whatsoever. Right. It Yeah. So
And that's not really that extreme of a
claim for those of you that don't know,
and I mentioned earlier in this program that

(40:56):
I've
had experience with Apple. I've been on the
Apple campus. Now, I've not been on the
new campus since they built the the spaceship
donut.
But
there was a very strong policy, jay that
if you pulled your cell phone out and
started taking pictures, security would show up in
seconds and show you to the door. Yeah.

(41:17):
They were very, very clear about do not
take pictures in here. Do not pull your
cell phone out. We're not gonna... Nobody's gonna
record anything.
Right. You know, you're on Apple... Like, that's
that's a a long policy in a lot
of places, especially Silicon Valley.
So he's not out the line there. It's
the car thing that just...
Wow. But, okay. So you and I know

(41:39):
from our other podcast
that
he has some
other interest or reasons that he's maybe not
being completely
transparent about
he
was
involved with Open Ai as a company.
Correct. And And there's a little bit of
bad blood there, I think.

(42:00):
Yeah. That was with what Alt. Yeah. Guys
name Yeah. And all the whole staff, like,
there was this weird, like, dismissal, and then,
basically,
the company rallied because they loved Alt so
much. That they brought him back and kind
of overturn the
the board's decision. Mh. And I think Elon

(42:21):
was on the board. Right. So
there's more to be told to that story
than any of us know right now.
But I know. I'm I'm fairly sure.
I won't say I know. I'll say I
have a strong
inclination to believe
that that Elon is just bitter.
Over that situation. Could very well be for

(42:43):
certain
or he knows things that we don't
let's face it. He was a... Yeah. I'm
sure he do. Right. He was a cofounder.
Yeah. He was a cofounder. Right? Maybe he
knows what the capabilities of open Ai r.
And if
integrated
and paired

(43:03):
to a device,
that has this,
can it, in fact, get into the
belly of what Tesla's
copilot software is all about? Or not copilot,
but autopilot software is. Yep. Is there Ai
on those vehicles that

(43:24):
maybe
Elon afraid that this will... It'll it'll reveal
it.
And, you know, maybe
Tesla's are,
machine learning you and you don't even know
it as a consumer of their product? And
he knows that?
Could this open a can worms for him?
What I do know is this is that
in 1 of the quotes I found interesting

(43:45):
is that,
he said, and I quote him. It's it's
patent
absurd that Apple isn't smart enough to make
their own Ai.
Yeah. Yet, it is somehow capable of... Sharing
that Open Ai will protect your security and
privacy. And he said that on his on
Apple language, Man. I mean, that's Apple data

(44:06):
close to top walking the way Apple talks.
And as controversial as Elon Musk is, he's
not wrong. No he's not wrong about that.
Fucking Nope. That that is why, you know,
when we were talking about this particular episode
and what was going down.
The timing of this,
the coincided
damage if you will,

(44:27):
from these 2 juggernaut button heads here. Right?
Is was absolutely perfect for the show today.
And
it it certainly works together. And so this
remains to be seen
because, again, as you guys will know that
you know, every year, Apple comes out? They
have the... What do you call it the
w w
World worldwide developers conference. W

(44:48):
w to be confused with
WWWW...
Dc. Yeah. What would Walt Disney do? Right.
Right Right Right. Right? Yeah. I know I
saw that when wrote it and went, oh,
okay.
But,
you know,
I don't know, man.
All in all,
what you have here is

(45:09):
there there is a reason that we are
not aware of yet that he's so passionately
saying and just putting in the ultimatum I
think what happens. I think, you know? You
know, this next statement, what what Apple is
trying to now add to the narrative is,
and this is this is musk. Speaking
is when data leaves and goes to the
secure private cloud, it's similar it's similarly taking

(45:30):
the same user data and optimization and firewall
of that information to you. Apple really never
sees that. Yeah. And I
that's what you pointed this out about, Meta,
Facebook. Right. Yeah. For those of you that
don't know,
and this is several years ago,
maybe even longer than that,

(45:54):
people were pointing to the Facebook app on
their mobile phones.
Listening in,
and Facebook came out and said, no. No.
No. It's not... It's just... It's just on
the device. We're not sending anything back to
the cloud to our servers, nothing like that.
And
a group of intelligent people said, oh, really

(46:15):
gross So you've got the entire world song
library every song in the universe on on
on in your app on my phone, like,
how big is that?
And basically prove them wrong through science. Right?
Like, there's no way that you're not transmitting
this stuff back. Right. And being able to
get the results to identify it. Mh. And

(46:36):
so and Facebook basically, they Zuckerberg went in
front of Congress and he was, like, now.
We're not we're not
we're not spying on our users.
Right.
I mean, I'm not buying it. Yeah. I
mean, I don't know how that couldn't be
happening because,
you know, we've had these conversations, Keith before.
This is... We're not the only ones that

(46:56):
experienced this.
But when you're physically on the same network
of someone else in your household.
And,
you know,
someone else in the household is shopping for
Christmas stuff. Right? Yeah. Christmas Christmas ornaments.
And
you're just doom scrolling. And all of a
sudden, you're getting these ads for Christmas ornaments.

(47:18):
You cannot tell me
that that that's
not what they're doing because they are doing
that. And Zuckerberg,
and you guys need to take this to
the house
absolutely bold
lied
to the American people about what's going on
at Meta. Period.
And they're still trying to go after him.

(47:38):
This thing ain't over yet, but there's a
lot of boundaries that have been overs stepped
here with that alone.
And
so, you know, look,
we're just...
Most of us are all average
everyday consumers that use the products.
And
you you hope that what you're being told
is truthful.

(47:58):
But
in some ways, the technology
because of how it operates how it function,
how it has to function
to operate in the way that you wanted
to
it has to step step over boundaries
that you don't know about.
And
they get away with it with that little

(48:20):
agreement that you signed every single time you
get an update,
or when you buy a phone or a
device or any sort.
You gonna read the 500 pages?
Probably not because you need a phone going,
like, right now. I need to get... I
need to get back to my doom scroll
Man. The modern
Yeah. And and they've started to do that
now with

(48:42):
the cookies.
Like, I don't have time. Just... I'll... Yes.
I accept. Just get get me to my
thing. Right? Yeah. Yeah. And
I don't do that though. I I physically
go in and look at and uncheck. It's
just... I do that every time. I don't
need to be targeted for marketing.
I'm not coming to you to for any
of that. I I use my phone to

(49:05):
you know, go out and
do little research.
And that puts me at risk for
privacy.
Big time.
Yeah.
That's it.
So... So crazy, man.
Yeah. I mean,

(49:26):
and you can make the argument well I'm
not doing anything that I wouldn't want
other people to know about. Yeah. That that
does it. That's not the point. That's That's
right.
It's not the point. You know, I don't
how do I trust that they're not going
to use what I give them malicious?
You?

(49:46):
Well, you think about this. I mean, do
you think now that they have done this
so long and we are so addicted to
our devices that we...
We have become
that almost dystopian
society in some sort of way already. And
we... And we're... We just don't even see
it. The matrix is becoming
right. I'm telling you, man. I mean,

(50:09):
we've got another topic of discussion that we're
gonna hit on today.
Towards the end of the show, but I
can tell you guys, man that there's some
weird stuff going on.
And
we're just...
We're part of the information pool.
Weirder than shrimp Jesus, Jay?
Weirder than shrimp Jesus, dude. So

(50:32):
for those of you that...
I think it was the previous episode. There,
we talked about
the viral
imagery of shrimp Jesus being
just
all Ai generated and bizarre could be, and
some of these bizarre,
I I... Yeah. It's been a while. I
spent some time on

(50:54):
trying to think of the platform. It was
an image... Ai image creation tool that I
used to use a lot.
I don't haven't used it in months.
Mid journey.
Mid journal. Right. Yeah. So mid conjunction with...
Like des script.
Script I later here. And so the thing
about Des script for those of you that
don't know. That's a chat based tool. Like,

(51:14):
you can you can make,
phone calls and... No. It wasn't des script.
It was
bring up our Qr code real quick again.
Okay.
How just Yeah. Yeah. Just as an example
of...
You just
plug in
you know, if you've never used it, you
just plug in what you want,

(51:35):
what you're asking for and it p out,
pretty much...
What you say. And and Yeah. That image
right there
was created by... You plugging in something in.
Something futuristic and... Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It
was an Ai. It was a it was
a tool. But Well, the thing is it's
taking our colors.
So Yeah. Utilizing our colors. Oh, you talking

(51:57):
about the picture. Yeah. Yeah. The logo. Yeah.
Yeah. I told it like, I wanted a
futuristic brain type, you know? Yeah. Ai
human hybrid.
Yeah. Yeah. That's what I got. And I
was like, well, this is weird. I mean,
our our our moonshot logo.
Is Yeah. Same. Yeah. Same thing. Very cool.
I mean, we just told the moon with
that 2 guys on the moon working on

(52:19):
a car. Yeah. 2 mechanics on the moon.
So
Yeah. So anyway,
when you use when you use a
mid journey,
you're basically in a chat room.
Okay? Yeah. And and
you can see
what other people are are are requesting.

(52:41):
And you can see the image that gets
spit back out to them. Now there's a
way to do it where you're in your
own private room, you have to pay more
for that and all that. And that's that's
fine. I'm just saying,
Like, I would sit there and watch and
some of this stuff was amazing.
And some it was freaking weird, man. Y'all
are some weird freaks out there and you
know it.
And and that's fine, man, to each their

(53:03):
own and you do you,
but do you really want that stuff
I I don't... I just... You know, there's...
I know. We need people to know what
I'm into. Right. I know it gets it
it's... And that's where we're at.
It's so weird. I mean, it's almost like...
It's it's,
you know, it's like the whole concept of

(53:24):
of,
of these fail videos. Right? You know, like
he just got this comp... You know, compilation
of where people Yeah. Know, you know, on
skateboard or on their bike and, you know,
they're wrecking and you know, breaking bones and
stuff. And, you know, we've... We've gotten to
that point in society where,
you know, people... There's a there's a sick
side to us.

(53:45):
That that likes to see people fail, likes
to see people, you know, Hurting. And it's
just the weirdest thing. It's almost as if
we've
gotten a little bit too out of touch
with reality
and consequences.
I don't think people understand consequences
anymore more man.
I think and I think that technology and
artificial intelligence

(54:06):
has has kinda aided in that. You know?
It's it's almost as if you you get
it's almost as if it's a it's a
pass because everybody else is doing it sort
of a things. It's so weird to me,
man.
There's no... It, you know, it's it's like
no 1 has any emotions. There's no real
emotions anymore.

(54:27):
And that's
that's due part to this technology, the the
ability to text people constantly to have conversations
without even physically having a conversation.
It's just words back and forth. There's no
emotion behind it. Yeah. And as as part
of apple's new,
you know, Ios,

(54:48):
there's supposedly the the ability to show more
emotion with your texting.
Well,
you know, I have a teenager.
And, when they hang out...
Mh.
Sometimes that is just them
sitting on their phones,
texting each other for 45 minutes.
Isn't that crazy.

(55:09):
You know, That's hanging out. Yeah.
That's it's it's a different time. Interpersonal social
kinda level that's
they're not.
The dating thing is not
as prominent.
Speaking of that, do you think because of
technology?

(55:30):
This is a good question for you.
Are we on the verge
of
a population deficit?
Because of this? That's interesting.
I mean, could we literally be
could we be
becoming?

(55:53):
So on, you know, Yeah. So inactive with
each other
because we're always on the machine
that we we can't have
personal relationships with people anymore. Yeah. And therefore,
you don't get married. You don't have kids.
You...
And, you know, could that be where we're
at? I mean, we getting close to that.
Is that? The script for

(56:15):
part 2.
Well, there you The movie. Right? Yeah. Yeah.
So, I mean, I think that that's some
of the things that
these developers, these tech companies have to be
in the back of their minds, thinking about
it.
But at the end of the day, I
think that, you know, they're looking at...
It's a revenue.
Yeah. It's a revenue stream. And I would

(56:36):
say to that,
it's disturbing
the number of
people that work in and and I'm just
gonna use Silicon Valley in the tech industry.
That are not
in a relationship.
They don't have time for it. Right.

(56:57):
Absolutely, ma'am. And their work is their life.
And and that's the that's their choice. I...
I'm not judging them for that. I'm just
wondering if that doesn't feed into your theory
of
like a population decline.
Yeah. Which may not be a bad thing.
I don't know. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Yeah.

(57:17):
I feel like we're gonna have a good
movie script out of this by the time
we're done with this season. Could be, man.
Could be,
I.
We shall see, man. So
managed to
find the most
viewed Ai image on the Internet,

(57:37):
and it is not shrimp Jesus for those
of you that thought it might be. Yeah.
Let's see what this thing went absolutely
nice. Right? Yeah. You're gonna see it. Let
me let's bring it go on the screen
here. There you go. So it's It's the
term all eyes on Raf.
Yeah. And there's a couple guys that are
claiming,
that they created the image.

(57:59):
It's supposed to be tense It's a... It's
a the the the letters are white tents.
Yeah.
Yeah got 2 different malaysian claiming
credit for the image, which was created by
Ai. Mh.
Getting this off of a Npr news feed.
Stories been shared... Oh, the graphic has been

(58:20):
shared 50000000 times
on Instagram and other platforms.
They think it started in the northern tip.
If this isn't confusing. The northern tip of
south of the southeast Asian island of Borne.
Right. The northeast tip of the southeast...
Yeah. I... Okay.

(58:41):
Yeah.
So So here's how... Here's here's where this
goes, guys. So
the gal that created the... She supposedly created
the first 1.
She actually put in there that it was
an Ai generated
picture by her.
And then
900 miles away,

(59:02):
this other guy,
says that
he created it, but it's almost identical
in so many ways.
And now this ties back into what I
said about pla.
Right?
That
artificial intelligence is only as good as the

(59:24):
input that it's getting. Right?
And so if you've got a
situation like this where
all eyes on Raf is like, the search
term, the keyword, if you will.
The big thing. This and of course, this
is how these things blow up and become
viral like they have.
It is possible

(59:46):
that,
yeah, this dude may have created his own
with Ai,
but
maybe Ai just took what she put out
there and it kinda recreated what she'd already
done because it's so identical.
Stopped
that Npr tried an experiment where they used
Microsoft's image generator and Yep. How many times

(01:00:08):
did they try here. Right
do they... Like dozens of attempts is the
best they give us? Yeah. And they never
could recreate. It spelled it wrong and Yeah.
But... And they show... These are the examples
we're looking at, but that's just 1 image
creation tool. That's Microsoft. You've got T.
You've got mid journey, you've got Adobe in
the game now. Like, there's so many.

(01:00:29):
Right. Right?
So who knows?
Yeah. And and it's just...
You know, and and again, there's no there's
no bad blood between these 2 people in
fact,
the girl said that you know,
she obviously wasn't looking to make any money
on it. That's why she said it was
Ai generated.
But she didn't expect for someone to copy

(01:00:50):
it, And it really does it, like, a
really good copy
is what this guy has done.
But, again, I have to throw that out
there. If he's saying it's Ai generated.
Again, we're only it's Ai is only as
good as the information, we're plugging into it
because it's learning. And
could that just... Could he just be a
victim of of Ai
generating

(01:01:11):
this
copying that? It could be?
He could be the victim.
Now, let's take this a step further. K?
Let's say you put a product out there
for and it's a good product and the
world needs it. I don't know what it
is. Look,
can be anything, you know, and you use
use some sort of Ai tool to create
it and you give it to the world.

(01:01:32):
Right? Mh.
Somebody else has a version of that same
item,
product, whatever.
And they're selling for it, and they're they're
charging for it, and it's selling, like like,
hot cakes as the same.
Right. I mean, is that,
you know, if I come up... If I

(01:01:52):
go into Cad and I design a
a solution to a
a lug nut problem that, you know,
has been around for years, and I solve
it, and I give it to the to
the world to the automotive industry, and,
you know, I put it out there, and
then somebody takes my cat design and starts
replicating it on a on a on a

(01:02:14):
on a mill
you know, or
something. Right? And and it's selling it,
that's...
I
That defeats the purpose of what I had
originally intended, which was to give it to
the world. Right? Right. It does. Yeah.
It does. No. III hear you.

(01:02:34):
Of course, that that happens every day in
industry,
especially in manufacturing when Right. You know, that
is why
certain suppliers out there will
or manufacturers
will have their
manufacturers
agreements
that they cannot

(01:02:55):
produce, sell that for x number of years.
Is almost a patent if you will. Yep.
Yep.
I've I've I've personally have dealt with those
situations
where
and that not everybody abide by the rules.
And especially when you're dealing
internationally with
manufacturers. Right. Good luck.

(01:03:15):
I mean,
I mean, I... That's exactly what I've been
told many times. Well, you, good luck with
that. You can hire some attorneys, but good
luck with that.
Well, you got You gotta get through the
Cc first. Right? Right.
So that's the whole thing. So that they're...
You're you're right. There there... That stuff definitely
happens. And and again,

(01:03:38):
I believe that that's probably what happened here.
I think it's just you know, 1 of
the situations where was copied and put out
there, But that's so crazy though that that
thing went as viral as it went. That's
an interesting photograph too like you said, or
interesting Ai generated photo
that...
And you kinda wonder,
you know, what she was plugging in to

(01:03:58):
get exactly what she got. Where was it
drawing from
for it to be spot on with what
you're kinda seeing over there and Raf,
with the supply chain,
you know, with all that stuff getting to
the people, man.
But
to have all of the lettering made
out of tents, and then you see all

(01:04:19):
of these cargo, these containers
and stuff just lined up perfectly. Now I...
I tried to kinda dissect his photo against
her photo as well.
And I tell you, dude,
shadows,
spacing,
little little little spacing,
columns,
font size,

(01:04:40):
font angles,
everything about it is identical to hers.
It's... I mean, it's a little
enhanced on color,
and maybe a couple of other things,
But I think those are just additions to
it.
Don't know?
Yeah. You can you can do
you can you can do reference images when

(01:05:01):
you,
in some of the tools, like Adobe is
1 that I know fairly well.
And you can
use text, so words to an image. Right?
Meaning you type out what you want and
then it creates that image.
And
then you can... Like, I could say, I
could go in for example, in type,
make me a picture of cargo containers sitting

(01:05:23):
next to a shipping dock.
With
you know, in the middle of the afternoon
with
you know,
the sun behind me. Right? Just casting shadows.
Mh. And it'll do that, and then I
could take an actual image and upload it
as a reference.

(01:05:44):
And I I can tell the tool to
use it as a style reference, meaning, like,
if I shot it in kind of
like, a vintage low mo type camera or
something. I can style reference it, or
I can tell it to use it as
a
like concept reference, meaning, mimic what's in the
shot. Right?

(01:06:06):
Neither 1 of those is really gonna do
what you're talking about... Which is you're not
gonna get the font. You're you're not gonna
get all that stuff to match. Right. You're
you're not gonna get the same Not gonna
be identical. Right. Yeah.
Yeah. And again, That's supposed say either it's
stolen or it's just copied.
You know? I mean,
it's just it's... Db b cooper. Where are
you?

(01:06:26):
Exactly.
Exactly. Alright. So
unless we can somehow go back in time
and, you know,
be the first to create it. So
are we 1 step closer to time travel,
Jay?
I think we may be. And by the
end of
season 2 of the Ai chronicles

(01:06:47):
will time travel exist.
That's a good question, but let me just
say this. I think that, you know,
I think time travel is is already possible.
Okay. Yeah. Am I gonna have my mind
blown here? No. I mean, I just, you
know,
if our goal is to travel in time

(01:07:07):
to go back in time to go forward
in time. Mh.
And how long have we been doing this?
Trying to do this? I mean, let's let's
go back. Let's look at, you know,
the militaries, you know, the Philadelphia experience
Okay. Yeah. You know, experiment.
Right. Did did you see the movie? By
the way? Yeah. It's been a while. But...
Yeah. It's been a while of times. A

(01:07:28):
good good movie. Right? Yeah. And, of course,
if you guys don't know what the Philadelphia
experiments all about, I'm sure that people our
age will... Because it came out in the
eighties and I think it was in the
eighties 1? Yep.
That was the guy. What is his name?
He was
Eddie and the Cruisers.
He was Eddie.
Right. Right. In the eddie in the Cruisers

(01:07:48):
movie. Yes. He was eddie in the Eddy
in the Cruisers movie. Yes.
Okay. He... That's So... Wow. A way to
obscure a reference to a band
and even more obscure obscure reference to a
movie an obscure movie about an obscure band.
K?
Absolutely.
What I somehow recognized? I don't know. Which
also had similar

(01:08:09):
mysterious things around. Oh, you mean, how he
died. How guidance Yeah. Or did? Or did.
Right. Where Elvis Elvis is still alive. Dude?
Do you think?
I think so. Yeah. So on the other
day on on Tv preaching.
Right.
So...
Alright. So so you think Okay. Go ahead.

(01:08:30):
Well, I mean, that's just my point, man.
My point of this thing is when I
started... Okay. So let's let's back it. Let's
talk about what this is. So,
apparently, Quantum
physics now
is
through
these experiments, they're able to send a particle
into the past. Right? They've they've
got a bunch of Mit. Just

(01:08:51):
so much of this was over my head.
I was like, u. Yeah.
Mine too, man. But I... I had to
dig and dig deeper
And then everything I started reading about this
thing, it kept pointing its finger back to,
you know, the military stuff back in the,
you know, in the forties, you know, the
Philadelphia experiment.
Stuff like that, which actually happened, man. I

(01:09:11):
mean, they had a whistleblower on it.
1 of the people that actually participated in
it
and says that he, you know, he went
ahead in time to 19 83, and then
came that's what the movie was all about.
And they had some terrible things happen,
and which

(01:09:32):
to no surprise. I mean, this is this
is... I mean, you're messing with stuff, man.
I mean, when you're messing with time loops
and stuff like that, it's that's
it's a dangerous.
It's a dangerous thing to be doing. But
I... If we're
I think that time travel probably already possible,
dude. But we

(01:09:54):
in this time that we're physically in right
now
don't know how to do it. But would
maybe come can tell us if that were
the case? That's what's going on right here.
Somebody has come back and told these people
how to do this.
So
now help me understand here. Isn't it more
of a message in a bottle kind of
thing? Mh.

(01:10:15):
Okay? Yeah. Yeah. And they sent a message
through a closed time loop or something like
that. Right? And said you can just do
this and this is how works.
Okay. So hold on. This. And this is
all we're giving you. Theoretically,
and and I know I'm gonna catch out
for this, but I just can't help it.
I I cannot it.
Say that I had a sports Alma act.

(01:10:37):
And it predicted Awesome. All...
It, like, of this era, and I wanted
to send it back to somebody. Like, let's
say a younger version of myself.
Alright. Like a good movie. I script you
yeah. I mean,
all I would need to do is just
Is there anybody on the games. Is anybody

(01:11:00):
name? Is there anybody named Bi in this
this... Y'all leave it laying on the seat
of your convertible? Lock the car, man. That's
right And try and watch out from a
manure. So...
Yeah.
But, no. I I mean, what are you
what are your thoughts on I mean, do
you really, really think that that... I mean,
dude there's some weird stuff happening in our

(01:11:20):
current time right now. There's just way too
many advancements going on? What if it's ai?
What if humans didn't send that message
for the future. Right. That's what I'm talking
about.
Maybe it's a machine learn future.
You know?
I mean, the the dude
this screams matrix. This screams... This is

(01:11:40):
totally
all that stuff. But so the the way
I understood it,
so here's how they say.
Advantage of simulated time travel and its simulated
time travel is the quantum experiment is. If
the experimental... If the experimental teleport the optimal
input state back in time via entanglement

(01:12:03):
manipulation.
The trio show that this could produce
novel
operational advantages.
In their proposal, and experimental prepares a pair
of maximally entangled quantum bits or cub
called a and c plus an additional q
as the probe.
K?

(01:12:25):
And remember what I said, they're they're talking
about you have to have these 3
components
in order to change a timeline.
Right?
So if you want something to happen according
to them, the way this works. If you
want something to happen in the future a
specific way. You have to go back into
the past,
to change it to make sure that that

(01:12:46):
happens.
So let's say you're sending a gift to
the future, and it needs to be a
right size and a right color in the
future.
Right?
And you gotta send it out now. Right?
So you send it out now, but in
that future, it's wrong. So you've gotta go
back
in time to change it so that before
they receive the gift in the future, it's

(01:13:06):
actually correct.
Yeah. That I just... That... Does that make
sense? That is what I saw, and I
still don't understand it. But that is exactly
what I saw. Yeah. So... Okay. You and
I Big fans... The paradox. Right? Absolutely. Okay.
You and I big fans of,
starship discovery. Right? Discovery. Great. Great show. The

(01:13:27):
time jumping that they did,
especially in in in the the last season,
the finale? Right.
There was 1 specific episode, and you remember
where
she,
the captain and her number 1, I forget
what his name was. He was...
Do you remember his name? Well,

(01:13:48):
you're talking about
the want... The first officer in the the
last season. The last years. Yes. The guy
with the years. I was tell Cal. After
I you forgot get what his name is
anyway. So... But remember when they got caught
in that that time jump. Oh, the time
bug episode. The time bug episode, that 1.
So and they had to be very careful

(01:14:09):
when they
interacted with people
because they knew that it would change the
outcome of the future.
So whenever they travel back in time, they
either had to stay away from them, not
be seen, not talk to them, whatever,
just do their thing and get out of
there.
Until they could figure out what was actually
going on. This is the same thing. It's
a very dangerous

(01:14:34):
slope to be on man in my opinion.
I, you, I don't know if I... And
I think that that's that's again,
I don't know, man. I just call me
a conspiracy theorist if you will to some
degree, but I just do believe that there
there may already be that type of capability
out there and
and we're just not privy to that information,

(01:14:55):
dude.
I it's possible.
Oh, I know anything's possible.
I'm still waiting for people to prove back
to the future wrong. So far, It's... It'll
all back to Yeah. Elvis. Yeah. Origin Morrison
or
Elvis do something, man. He he Elvis do
something, man. He knew something. Yeah. He didn't
die on the toilet, man.

(01:15:17):
Okay. He's been living... He's been living underground
with all the lizard people. Well, he's over
a hundred now. Right? Yeah. Yep.
He might even be 1 of those pilots
spread out all those contra trails to block
out the scene.
This is this is not the conspiracy podcast,
though. No. Yeah.
I just.

(01:15:37):
I have to make fun.
Just saying. Yeah. So is that, I mean,
seriously, what so what are your thoughts on
it?
This is gonna be heavy.
No pun intended. And and and again, people,
this is not happening in

(01:15:59):
real life. This is happening within machine. This
is machine
learning. This is... They haven't physically
done it.
Right. Well, supposedly, it's.
Right. Closed environment. Out
I'm a leave... I'm gonna bring this all
back around to
artificial intelligence and

(01:16:20):
maybe we'll we'll close with this, and I'll
I'll leave you guys with something to think
about.
So
in all of this,
not just the quantum experiments that they're doing
at this Mit lab or, you know, the
the collider experiments that they're doing that, you
know, people have said you're gonna cause a
black hole or whatever.
Right.

(01:16:42):
The Ai,
you know, which I joke, you know, we
talk about the terminator series and how, you
know, we all know how that ends with
Sky and right? And
III feel like all of this
falls under
the umbrella of
we are children

(01:17:02):
learning to ride a bicycle.
And the concept
of that
that skill
and the components,
you know, the wheels, the sprocket, the chain,
all of that,
we are barely grasping. And We're we're basically
acting and behaving, like, we're ready to go

(01:17:23):
ride in traffic. Mh.
And if if you think about, like, a
young child that's just learning to ride a
bicycle,
and they really don't... Okay.
Like, you're just focused on balancing at that
point. You're pe and balancing. And then maybe
we get to the point we learned to
turn. Right?
Mh. And

(01:17:43):
you're not even thinking about traffic or other
bi lists or, you know, your helmet or
you know, maybe what to do, how to
stop it, how to stop the bike. Right?
And I feel like that's how we are
with Ai. That's how we are with these
quantum
experiments. Is
we know it's risky,

(01:18:04):
but these companies like Apple and Open A
and Adobe and on and on
And, you know, this lab at Mit. They're
like, don't worry. We got this. It's under
control. Nothing bad gonna happen
until it does. Right? Because... Right.
There's no real safety protocols in place. You
know,
the Faa, the the the airline safety

(01:18:28):
administration that we have here in the United
States.
They didn't really have the safety rules that
they have today
until bad things happened. Planes crashed... And then
they would do
investigations and figure out why and then they
would adjust the rules if it was like,
well, this could be a potential problem going

(01:18:49):
forward for other planes. Right? Right. But the
the the risk that we have in terms
of artificial intelligence is,
by the time we figure out, it's a
bad situation. It's too late. Potential. Absolutely.
Absolutely.
Again.
And that's where,
you know,
we're not being cautious enough. I I think

(01:19:11):
that's my point. And we were warned Keith
by the developers of Ai.
Yeah Guard rails. Guard. And they were
shown the door and said, you don't work
here anymore. Right? Right. Yeah. And You gotta
be worried folks. Yeah. You gotta be worried
folks.
I mean, I

(01:19:32):
I'm not gonna sit here and say any
of this
will not still... Look,
In 10 years, man.
Who we?
III
hope you and I are still podcasting in
10 years.
I will come back. Well, it just end
up being machine learning that has taken our

(01:19:54):
place. You know? That's true. We could just
be, like, Allen, you know, a generated.
I don't want. I don't I wouldn't I
wouldn't want that. You know? That's... That takes
away part of the enjoyment.
Well, it's not reality.
I mean, I...
You know,
if you

(01:20:15):
if you're a musician, and you... You've done
this, you you stand up on stage in
front of a live audience,
there are aspects beyond just being able to
play your part.
Right pricing your part. Right? Yes. That that
you'd you practice that. Sometimes you practice that
at home or in a vacuum or in
a studio or with a band in your
garage or whatever.
And you get a certain number of reps

(01:20:36):
and you get a certain capability,
and you can repeatedly and reliably perform that
song.
Over and over again.
And most of the time you get it
to a point where pretty good.
Now you do that in front of a
room full of people or an arena or
a theater, and they're all staring at you
and some of them have their phones out

(01:20:57):
and taking pictures and all that.
And
your peers,
everybody else in that band with you
knows your part,
and they are listening to you when it's
your turn,
And that just changes everything. Right? Yep. Yep.
And it would be so much easier for
me to go,
you know, pull out a scent and just

(01:21:19):
you know, plug in my part and and
have it sample my sound and let it
play that at the show,
and I don't have to do a thing.
Right. But I wouldn't enjoy that. Because part
of that creativity
is what happens in real time.
Absolutely. It is. You know, the note doesn't
come out the way you intended,

(01:21:40):
but it's not necessarily what you
do, it's what you do after something doesn't
happen the way you expect. Right. And that's
where the greats, like Miles Davis,
were just amazing because you couldn't
derail them. You could not derail Charlie Parker.
As far hard as you can try. He
was just always on. Yeah. Yeah.

(01:22:03):
Any jazz musician Yeah. I think he kinda
almost have to in that genre. I mean,
Eddie van Hale just showing up blasted out
of his mind,
And it was still so good that just...
He could just always play his stuff. Right.
Yeah.
It's missed that guy. Yeah.
A lot of people do. Did That's... By

(01:22:23):
the way, speaking of eddie and Hale, did
you see Wolf gangs behind the music? No.
Is it is that on 1 of their
new seasons? Okay. I'll check it. It's everything
you wanna know about what happened between his
dad and he
he lays it all out there. It's Okay.
Apps it is absolutely probably 1 of the
most honest
and
behind the scene,

(01:22:45):
what actually happened with Ed
through those years of his, you know, drinking
and
getting with the tongue cancer and that sort
of stuff. And this is all on It's
on paramount play Paramount. Okay. This is the
the new, you know, rebranded bag. Yeah. They're
like, season 3 or whatever now or You
have to watch it. IIII
assumed you already had, but,

(01:23:06):
make sure you watch it. And I want...
You... I wanna hear your
I wanna hear... You you comment back to
me. Just send me a text to see.
Well, I'll tell you what. We'll bring it
up on the next
the next episode of this show. Okay.
And we'll discuss it because we're big fans.
And That's sure. I don't know. We can
find a way to work that in. So
Jay, tell everybody before we go, How can

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(01:26:17):
all I say. Yeah. But... Yeah. Jade, did
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summon Patrick W?
I may have. Can we hear him? Do
you have him?
Man. I don't know. I lost that 1.
Did you really? Well, you just did it.
You don't, you don't need me to do
it. You just you just did it for
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go. There you go. I want you to

(01:26:37):
be nice.
Until it's time.
To not be nice.
Well,
how we supposed to know when that is?
You won't. I'll let you know.
I love it. I love it, man. I
missed that dude. Yeah. Patrick Patrick Sway was
a

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fantastic actor. Yeah. Absolutely. Every role he played
in man. And you know they're bringing
that movie, that early movie with him and
Tom Cruz.
Red Dawn.
No. Not red dawn.
They're bringing it to theater. It's all all

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about the boys, the outsiders.
Oh.
They're bringing it to theater. On the the
the novel. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They're bringing it
to theater. Like, I'm talking like, you know,
Broadway.
Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yep.
Alright. Yeah that's happening. So keep your eye
off for that, which that was a great
movie, man. I mean, you mentioned Red dawn
too. That that was fantastic 50, dude. Yeah.

(01:27:41):
I mean, that... That's a
guys that movie itself is hot far fetched
at all.
Now. Yeah. Now. Absolutely. So just be be
my flip. If you've never seen that,
go watch it. It's it's definitely worth it.
It's...
I'm sure you can find it on Amazon
Prime.
It might be on Netflix. I don't know.

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But somebody's running that, and you can either
get it for free if you have a
subscription or you might have to have a
rental fee of some sort. But... And, you
know another... You know, you're saying when Blockbuster
coupons won't work. No. That 90 anymore man.
They might that 1 store in Oregon. Yeah.
That's true. It's the only store left. Right?
Yeah. Yeah. Have you been that 1?
No. Man in bend, and I wanted to

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Yeah. And the last time we were through
there, it was, like,
just just to 334 hours.
You know what we ought to do. Go.
Yeah. Next time you're out here. Dude it's
only, like, maybe, like, a 5 or 6
hour or maybe 8 hour drive top. Yeah.
Just go down and hang out for a
couple days, go camp and then come back
and just hit the blockbuster or whatever. Alright.
I know I know some people in the

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area down there. We might be able to
borrow
card. Yeah.
Exactly. Alright everybody. We have given you... Not
only
podcast in in entertainment, but we now have
given you some homework in in
in the form of some some video entertainment
to go check out.
There's been quite a bit it if you
think back through the show or play it

(01:29:07):
back from the Jenny Nicholson thing to the
V 1... Sorry. To the behind the music
thing to
Red Dawn and some of these
more recent movies than Jay dropped. So... Okay.
Yeah.
Philadelphia experiment, all the yeah. There you go.
So there you go.
Thank you guys as always for making us
a part of your lives for my pal
jay over there. That's 3 shows in a

(01:29:28):
row jay. You gotta do. I think I
got it. My pal j over there, I'm
key. See you guys on the next 1.
I'll thank you guys.