E040 – AI or Not – Pupak Mohebali and Pamela Isom

Welcome to "AI or Not," the podcast where we explore the intersection of digital transformation and real-world wisdom, hosted by the accomplished Pamela Isom. With over 25 years of experience guiding leaders in corporate, public, and private sectors, Pamela, the CEO and Founder of IsAdvice & Consulting LLC, is a veteran in successfully navigating the complex realms of artificial intelligence, innovation, cyber issues, governance, data management, and ethical decision-making.

The complex landscape of AI governance demands more than theoretical frameworks; it requires practical bridges between policy and implementation. Dr. Pupak Mohebali, AI policy consultant and researcher with a background in international security, brings a refreshingly grounded perspective to this challenge.

Dr. Mohebali reveals how her multidisciplinary experience shapes her approach to making AI governance accessible. "Most organizations aren't lacking frameworks," she explains. "They're lacking translation between policy and practice." Her AI governance starter kit transforms abstract principles into straightforward questions: What AI tools are we using? Who's responsible if something goes wrong? What data feeds these systems? This practical approach helps teams engage with governance without feeling overwhelmed by complexity.

The conversation challenges the dangerous myth that "AI is just a tool." Every AI system reflects human decisions about data selection, goals, and beneficiaries. By pretending AI is neutral, we shift blame from designers and organizations to the technology itself, an abdication of responsibility that Dr. Mohebali firmly rejects. This perspective connects directly to the ongoing importance of AI literacy, not to make everyone a technical expert, but to empower people to ask meaningful questions about how AI affects their lives.
Perhaps most eye-opening is the discussion of AI's hidden environmental footprint. Training large models can generate emissions equivalent to those of five cars over their entire lifespan, while services like ChatGPT potentially consume 500,000 kilowatt-hours daily. These costs remain largely invisible, particularly when systems operate through remote cloud services. "We need more than incentives," Dr. Mohebali argues. "Environmental considerations must be mandatory in regulations from the outset."

The conversation concludes with a powerful insight: AI ethics isn't a fixed endpoint but a process that continuously questions who defines ethical standards and who benefits. Want to develop a more nuanced understanding of AI governance that balances innovation with responsibility? This episode offers practical wisdom for navigating the complex intersection of technology, policy, and human impact. Subscribe and join the conversation about creating AI systems that truly serve humanity.