Rebecca and Viktoria join Jennie to share about one of the least known and most incredible road trips in the North - the Golden Circle loop between the Yukon and Alaska including logistics, where to stop and where to eat.
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Jennie Flaming (00:00):
Jennie, welcome to the Alaska uncovered podcast
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with me, your host, JennieThwing Flaming, my occasional co
host and full time husband,Jennie and I bring you accurate,
helpful and entertaininginformation about Alaska, travel
and life in Alaska, before westart today's show, we'd like to
take a moment to thank ourPatreon subscribers for your
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support and making this podcastpossible. Enjoy the show. Are
you looking for a funinternational adventure road
trip. On your trip to Alaska, ifyou like to get away from it
all, then you're gonna love thisepisode today. My guests today
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are Reba Hylton and ViktoriaMuhlbauer. Reba has been on the
podcast before we have talkedabout Skagway and Haynes with
Reba in the past, and today, weare thrilled to have Vicky join
us as well from Whitehorse,which is in the Yukon in Canada,
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and we're going to talk aboutone of the best road trips in
North America, in My opinion.
It's called the Golden CircleDrive, and we're going to talk
about that today. But before weget into that, Reba and Vicky,
welcome to Alaska, uncovered.
Thank you for being here. Thank
Unknown (01:31):
you for having us.
Yeah, it's great to be here, andthanks for having me again. I
love it. Yes, I
Jennie Flaming (01:38):
know it's great to have you back. Reba, all
right, so I would love to haveeach of you just briefly
introduce yourself and share alittle bit about Haynes and
Whitehorse, where you're from.
So Rebo, let's start with you.
Unknown (01:54):
Okay, great. Well, my official title is tourism
director for the Haynes boroughhere. I've lived in Haines for a
total of 12 years, and I'velived in Skagway for about 15
years. So I definitely have apassion for all things Southeast
Alaska. And one of the reallybenefits of being in this part
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of Southeast Alaska is beingable to go up into the Yukon. So
I'm super excited to be on thispodcast today, because this is
one of the things that takingthis road trip is one of the
things that I put on my calendarto do yearly. And so I have been
fortunate enough to be able todo this drive, I would say,
dozens and dozens of times. SoI'm really looking forward to
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this, so thank you so much forfocusing on it.
Jennie Flaming (02:43):
Yeah,
Unknown (02:45):
awesome. Well, yeah, thank you so much for having me
too. Like, I'm so excited to beinvited as, like, the
representation of the Canadianneighbor for Whitehorse on this
drive. So, yeah, my My name isVicky. I have a background in
tourism. I work for Fraser wayRV and up north, adventures in
Whitehorse. But now I'm thegeneral manager for mammoth
marketing and Whitehorse, we'resmall agency here, and gosh,
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being being in the Yukon theGolden Circle too, is a drive
everyone has to take, asWhitehorse, being the capital of
the Yukon Territory, right nextdoor to Alaska. We have a
international airport here thatbrings a lot of visitors from
Europe annually in the summerseason, and then getting people
from hubs like Edmonton,Calgary, Vancouver, to come
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visit, if you're looking forlike wilderness and adventure
like this is sort of where youwant to arrive. And the Golden
Circle basically comes throughwhite horse. So definitely
recommend considering that forespecially people that are maybe
on a on a shorter timeline for avisit up here.
Jennie Flaming (03:52):
Yes, absolutely.
And I am going to guess thatmany people listening to this
podcast have not ever heard ofwhite horse, and maybe not of
the Yukon, which is really toobad, because the Yukon is
absolutely amazing. If you'vebeen listening for a while, you
will have heard about it,because we've talked about the
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Yukon on the podcast a few othertimes, and we're gonna get into
logistics more a little bitlater, before we really talk
about this wonderful road tripand how unique and special it
is. I also just want to namethat right now, things are
pretty tense between the US andCanada, which is really
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heartbreaking to me. I've livedmy entire life within 100 miles
of the border with Canada. Myancestors are from Canada. I
guess in Fairbanks I was alittle more than 100 miles away.
But everywhere else I've livedwas very close to the border.
And so I hope with this episode,my fellow Americans that. It, I
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can encourage you to visit ourneighbors and just really
appreciate how special the tiesare that we have across the
border that are unfortunatelykind of at risk at the moment.
So alright, so Reba, would yoube willing to start I I'd like
to make sure people understandwhat we are talking about when
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we say this Golden Circle Drive.
I know all three of us have donethis drive many times and love
it, which is why we're talkingabout it. So Reba, could you
start by kind of explaining,kind of what the route is, how
long it is how much time youwould recommend spending, and
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then we'll get to more detailsin a few minutes.
Unknown (05:48):
Yeah, well, I mean, like with all trips, you can
make this a short trip or a longtrip. I typically like to take
three days when I do it, andevery single time I feel like
that's not enough, but the routeitself is so Hanes Haines is a
very unique destination. We area little bit remote in what
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typically would be consideredoff the beaten path, because
we're the very northern end ofthe Inside Passage. So we get
lots of cruise ships in thearea, just not a lot
specifically here in ourcommunity, but we get quite a
few over in Skagway. And thebeauty of our two communities,
Skagway and Haynes, is that weare connected to the road
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system. And there's only threecommunities in all of Southeast
connected to the road system.
And so with Haynes and Skagwaybeing connected. You can drive
from one town to the to theother, but it is 365 miles to do
that. And so, I mean, you coulddo that in a day, but, like,
really, there's so much inbetween to enjoy, like, it's
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it's a trip in itself thatshould be experienced. So I
would highly recommend fivedays, if you can do five days
minimum, but, but, you know,three days is pretty good if
you're really on a tightschedule. And then the
connecting route between Haynesand Skagway itself, if you're
not driving, is actually what weconsider a highway on its own.
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We have the Alaska marineHighway, which is our state
ferry system. So if you'rebringing a vehicle up, or you're
renting one in Whitehorse, andwanting to do this drive, to be
able to make it a full circle,you have to book a trip on the
ferry to get between Haynes andSkagway. And so you can make it
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this golden circle, and that'spretty much how I would base if
I was trying to makereservations or planning this
trip, I would look at the ferryschedule and have that out in
front of me, yeah? And then makethose reservations as soon as
you can, because in the summertime, it can sell out and you
might have to wait days to get avehicle onto the ferry system.
(07:59):
Yeah. So, yeah. So the GoldenCircle is this amazing route
that takes you what I believe isthe best of Alaska, the top of
the Inside Passage, where over amillion people go on cruises.
But then you can also drive upfurther and experience a little
sliver of the British Columbia,which is by only, hello,
Jennie Flaming (08:25):
British Columbia. We love your tiny
little
Unknown (08:28):
you gotta take a picture. You know, you have to
prove that you feel therereally,
yes, absolutely, and yeah. Andon these borders, you have these
great signs so you can, youknow, Mark, you know when your
selfies where you're at the bigwelcome to Alaska signs and also
the Welcome to the Yukon consigns are very iconic. I mean,
I've got a dozen photos of each,because there's such it's such a
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beautiful place here. I mean,you really it's hard to
describe. And that's what makesthis trip so epic, is like
you're on the coast here insoutheast Alaska and the
mountains will go up 5000 feetfrom the sea, and you could see
glaciers. And then you cantravel up the highway either
what direction between Skagwayand Haynes. The passes are very
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unique, but both stunning intheir own ways. And you get up
into this alpine area, and onceyou're into the Yukon and man, I
just tell you, the lakes go onfor miles, and it is absolutely
stunning, and the wildlife isincredible. And then you have
these wonderful communities andcampgrounds in between, but
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they're hours, you know, youhave to drive hours to get to
the next community. So youdefinitely feel that sense of
wilderness and that sense ofadventure. And if you're into
the back country at all, it'sit's mind blowing, and, yeah,
it's one of my favorite placeson the planet. I feel very, very
fortunate to live here. And Iwill strap my paddle boards on,
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we'll put our fishing gear, andwe will do this trip every
single year. And sometimes we'regoing to go up into the Yukon
for a specific event and hangout there, but oftentimes we're
going just to camp or to hike orcar cross has got some wonderful
dunes, and then we always stopin Skagway to get a good meal.
Like every community is sodifferent it has its own
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offerings. That's really whatmakes it such a wonderful and
unique experience you kind ofget to do get to do it all on
this one road trip. Yes, yeah,it's such a great combination of
everything that I thinkSoutheast Alaska and the Yukon
has to offer. And I feel likeonce you do it, you get hooked
and you want more of it. Andit's just the perfect mix for a
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long weekend, or if you havemore time to allow you for it,
absolutely I agree.
Jennie Flaming (10:45):
Yeah. You know, one thing that I wanted to just
add to what you said about howwonderful this, this trip is, is
in addition to the fact thatthis is not like a common thing
that, like every cruise shipvisitor is doing this, not true.
Everybody going to Alaska or theYukon is doing this, not true.
(11:07):
Um, but in addition to that, theway that you can see, like
coastal Alaska, plus theinterior in the Yukon so close
together, you know, if you'redriving from Anchorage, that's
going to be many more hours tosee that kind of diversity that
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you see there between the coastand the interior in just a
really short amount of time.
It's really amazing. Yeah,
Unknown (11:35):
I think Reba touched on it just knowing that you drive
from Whitehorse through theYukon to Skagway or the other
way around, you get like so manydifferent landscapes. And I
think that is something thatmakes this trip really special
any time of year, because for usgoing to visit and doing the
loop, it's an escape from winterwhen we have mild temperatures
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in Skagway or Haynes in thesummertime, it's that coastal
climate we're seeking when it'smaybe mild up here. So you you
get so much in such a smallarea, all things considered,
knowing how big Alaska and theYukon are, but it's it just it
hits all the boxes for what youwould want. If you're interested
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in the outdoors, you want acultural experience from a
history standpoint, but alsofrom indigenous culture in
Canada, maybe there are so manyactivities to do. I know Reba
said, Stand up, paddle boarding,and I'm like, all excited about
that hiking. You get to comethrough Kewaunee National Park
and reserve, which is absolutelymind blowing. Like, if you are
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into hiking and you have neverheard of this place. It is about
time that you look it up. Youcan wander the dunes that we
have in car cross barefoot, andthere's a beautiful beach there.
It's just there's so much foreveryone. Doesn't matter if it's
a couple's trip or a family,like, yeah, that trip does it
all for me?
Jennie Flaming (12:57):
Yes, I totally agree, and I so we're going to
move into some logistics, andthen we'll talk about some
specific stops along the way.
Before we do that, I want tomention for our listeners that
this makes a wonderful side tripif you are driving the Alaska
Highway, and I know that many ofyou are planning a trip like
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that, where you're driving fromthe lower 48 This is a wonderful
side trip to take. And if youare not doing that, but you're
you're looking for a wonderfuloutdoor oriented trip in Alaska,
you can do it by itself, andwe'll talk about that as well.
(13:41):
So Reba and Vicky, I'd love totalk a little bit about some of
the logistics. So this isobviously an awesome trip. We'll
talk about some of the specificstops along the way, but I can
imagine people listening to thisand being like, Oh, where am I
gonna rent a car? Like, whatabout all these border crossings
and time changes and like, allthis stuff. So let's kind of
(14:04):
address that first. So to startoff, let's talk a little bit
about the border. And for thoseof you listening, I want to make
sure we'll talk about the borderand our experiences crossing.
The most important thing is tocheck with Canadian customs and
US Customs about what they'recurrently requiring and not
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requiring, right? So anythingthat we say could be out of date
at any time. So just make surethat you're double checking that
they are the final authority, ofcourse, on what is permitted to
be brought across the border andnot brought across the border.
So let's see. Reba, do you wantto start talking about kind of
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your experiences with crossing?
And then Vicki, you can sharethat from the Yukon perspective?
Absolutely.
Unknown (14:58):
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think, well, first and foremost,
I mean, you're coming up thisfar, and if you're driving all
the way up, you're going to haveyour passports anyways. I think
the most important thing I couldsay is just to be really
respectful of your borderguards, no matter where you're
coming from or no matter whatyour mood, it's a very serious
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thing crossing an internationalborder. So you gotta keep that
in mind as laid back and as aremote we are and has you, you
know you can drive for miles andall of a sudden you're at this
in the middle of nowhere, andthere's this border station
there. You still have. They,they take their job very
seriously, and you can alwaysget on the internet and find out
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what you're allowed to bringthrough and not bring through.
There are certain products,like, you can't bring raw
chicken through, or you can'tbring avocados currently, and
those things kind of change, butit'd be a shame to, like, stock
up on those things and not beable to bring them through on
your travels. So that's superimportant to know that. And
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then, I mean, there's also youcould fly into Juneau as well,
and then make your way up on theferry and bring your own
vehicle. Or you can rent avehicle in Whitehorse, which is,
I highly recommend. It's supereasy to fly into Whitehorse,
yeah, especially if you're inthe Pacific Northwest Area, and
you can get yourself toVancouver. It's so easy to fly
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from Vancouver to Whitehorse andsuper inexpensive. I as an
American, I can tell you yes,and then you can rent a vehicle
there, and it's totally fine tobring it through the border and
back again. So that's always areally good way to travel, yeah.
But if you're on that road trip,and you're doing the whole
interior of Alaska, and you'regoing up, and you've got time,
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you know, taking either on theway up or the way back, I highly
recommend just taking thatlittle spur and coming one down
through Skagway, getting on theferry over to Haynes, and then
back up, and you can meet theAlcan again at a Haynes. So
yeah, either way, young orgoing,
Jennie Flaming (17:07):
Yeah, Natalie, yeah. What do you want to add to
that? Vicky about borders? Iagree with Reba that if you are
going to fly to do this roadtrip, not Victoria? Well, not
wrong.
Unknown (17:23):
You can also call me Victoria. It doesn't really
matter for the people listening.
Jennie Flaming (17:28):
So if I also I agree that, like, white horse is
the place you'd want to fly toand rent a car if you're not
bringing your own car. Yeah,100%
Unknown (17:39):
like, totally for everyone coming from the lower
48 driving their vehicle, thatmakes sense. But if you're just
looking for an adventure, airnorth, our local airline out of
the Yukon is incredible,incredibly reliable, incredible
service. The price is reallyfair, and you better believe it,
they still feed you a meal onyour flight, and you get two
pieces of luggage, I know. So weare all very much in support of
(18:03):
our own airline here. Yes, notat all, but yeah, you can they
are, but they fly out of, likeRiva said, out of Vancouver,
Calgary, Edmonton. So those aresort of like the big hubs that
can bring you to Whitehorse, andrenting a car is so easy here.
So as I mentioned earlier, whitehorse, we might be small, but we
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are the capital of theterritory, and so we do have a
few different rental stationshere. And because so many
tourists come, really, it's noproblem to cross the border, so
nothing to be worried about.
They might ask you about it, butyou you don't have to worry
about a thing, and as long asyou have your rental agreement
with you, the border guardsmight ask for that, but most of
the time, they won't reallybother. Just be prepared to show
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it if asked. And fun fact, allthe rental vehicles in the Yukon
have an R in their licenseplate, so that is a giveaway
already for all of us that youare visiting. But I think in
terms of border crossing, Ithink both of you really touched
on the most important part.
These are people doing theirjob, and their job is to protect
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their respective countries, sobeing respectful and courteous.
I think one thing that isinteresting, especially if you
cross the border for the firsttime. You may be used to Borders
being right one after another.
And if you go from Haynes toPleasant camp, that's the case,
you have the border relativelyshortly after another. But if
you're going from the SkagwayWhite Horse side, you have what
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I like to call no man's land.
Clearly, it's not man's land.
There is the border there, yes.
But you're you're crossingCanadian customs, and then
you're driving for a few moremiles, and you might think,
like, oh, like, are we? Like,are we in the US yet? And
there's a big sign that will letyou know, but you will cross US
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Customs a little bit later down,down the road. So that's just
something to be mindful of. And.
Otherwise, yeah, just checkonline and make sure that you're
sort of up to date witheverything that you need to
provide the requirements thatare currently in place, and
really just being respectful anddon't take any questions that
you're being asked personally.
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It is their job. I think that'salways a good reminder. I think
you touched on it earlier that,like, you know, sometimes we're
in a mood or we're stressed,like, they just have to check
some boxes, and they have tomake sure that that you check
those boxes. So, you know, justit can sometimes takes a little
bit of time in the summer monthstoo, just being patient. There's
only so many of them in theseremote locations. So if you, if
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you hit the rush hour by byaccident, you know, just turn
your car off, enjoy the view,and just wait until it's your
turn. But just, I think theNorth will sort of like slow you
right down so you won't havemore time just waiting for a
second. Yeah, yeah,
Jennie Flaming (20:56):
that what both of you shared, is really wise.
The The only other thing thatcomes to my mind is, if you are
crossing the border in cominginto Skagway and going to the
ferry, make sure that it is notanywhere near close to the time
of the ferry. Yes, the border
Unknown (21:16):
really good point. And the time difference, of course,
to keep in mind, if you'releaving the Canadian side
heading into the US that hasimplications. We were joking
earlier, all three of us thatwere currently in three
different time zones. Yes. Sowinter is a little bit
different. Not so much to worryabout in the summer months. But
yeah, that's that's a reallygood tip you have. Yeah,
Jennie Flaming (21:35):
yeah. So just to talk about the time a little
bit, and it's confusing, becausethese border crossings that you
go across are north southborders, like you're going north
or south across the border, butyou are changing time zones at
the border between Alaska andCanada, and so just be mindful
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of that, that Alaska time in theSummer is one hour earlier than
the time in the Yukon andBritish Columbia. Yes, yeah.
Okay, wonderful. And Reba. Iknow we talked a little bit
about ferry logistics earlier.
Is there anything else that youwanted to add about that, that
people should know if they'redoing that as part of their
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trip?
Unknown (22:22):
Just be flexible. Print out that schedule and know ahead
of time what your options are.
Occasionally, it will cancelbecause of a breakdown or
because with Skagway, tends tobe very windy, so the ferry
could have a little difficultygetting in there. But in the
summer, it's running everysingle day, but it's still
really good just to have thosereservations and have your
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camera ready, because it isincredibly scenic between here
and Skagway at 17 miles. Butyou're like extreme rock walls
and waterfalls, and you couldspot EA and sometimes you can
even see a bear from the side,like whales, beautiful whales,
yep, sea lions, depending on thetime of the year. It's an
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absolutely stunning ride. AndI think, sorry to interrupt,
yeah, Reba, I think you know,what's so special about is, for
people that haven't seen theinside passage again, it's sort
of this, like short glimpse intothis beautiful coastal area. And
you will want to check out therest of the Inside Passage for
just that short ferry rightafterwards.
(23:26):
Yeah, absolutely. It only takesan hour. It's an hour right
itself. But, I mean, I can spendthe entire time outside
photographing the area. It'sabsolutely stunning.
Jennie Flaming (23:37):
Yeah, it really is okay. We're going to take a
short break, and when we comeback, we will talk with Reba and
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Ventures.com now back to theshow. We are back with Vicky and
Reba, and we are talking aboutthe Golden Circle route, which
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is a wonderful road trip thatwe're saying you should spend
five days doing, but if you onlyhave three, you should still do
it, because it's really awesomegoing between the Yukon and
southeast Alaska at the northend of the Inside Passage. So we
thought it would be kind of funto have Reba share some of her
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her favorite places when she isvisiting the Yukon, and Vick to
share some of her favoriteplaces when she is visiting this
part of Alaska. So let'simagine, for just for this
discussion, that we're startingand ending this trip in
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Whitehorse, because if someoneis going to fly up, you know, we
already talked about how flyingto Whitehorse and renting a car
is the way to go. If you'redriving the Alaska Highway back
or forth, back and forth toAlaska from the lower 48 you'd
be passing through Whitehorse.
(26:13):
So Reba, let's start with thepart of the drive that goes from
Whitehorse down to the borderwith Alaska near Skagway. What
are some things that you thinkcan't be missed during that
section?
Unknown (26:29):
Well, I would honestly make my way from Whitehorse
right over to the Haynesjunction area. I like to camp
myself. So there's a couplecampgrounds I like to go to. In
fact, I've already made myreservations for Kalani for the
summer. I picked two dates out.
Made the reservations to camp atthis wonderful lake area, and
I've got on my calendar we'regoing this summer, so I'm pretty
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excited about that, but we wouldbring our fishing poles and
probably stop at Pine Lake area,and then in Haines junction
itself, there's this littlebakery. You can't miss a bakery
in Hays junction, like it's amust, you just have to go the
garlic cheese sticks. I mean,everything that they have is
absolutely amazing and homemadein a way that Canada is really
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impressive about I mean, I livein a very, very small community,
so keep that in mind. Yeah. Sothere's these certain treats
that we look forward to when weleave town and going up in the
Haynes junction area iscompletely a really, really
special, special place. And thenI would be like out of Haynes
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junction and kawani area, likedriving down to Haines itself.
That is where I would do themost wildlife viewing. You will
see bears if you take your time.
I mean, I saw there's a grizzlythat we kept photographing this
year. I made up about threetimes in the summer, and it was
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always in the same area, but,like, you cannot take this road
trip and not see wildlife. It'salmost impossible. I've seen
links and just several otheranimals. I saw a peregrine
falcon and it was carrying arabbit. Like, oh gosh, where am
I? Like, you feel like you're inthis movie, like you're looking
(28:21):
at in this the backgrounds justcompletely unbelievably
beautiful. And depending on whattime of the year you go, either
the wildflowers are really out,or if it's really early in the
season, the snow cappedmountains, the way that the the
scenic changes up there. Thescenery changes so much. And
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then we call it, of course, theGolden Circle, because in the
fall time, and in the fall,that's in August, it starts, you
know, like, literally, the firstweek of August, sleeps can start
changing colors in the Yukon.
And then you have the mosses andthe lichen on the ground that
are just absolutely stunning.
And the trees are changingcolors. Million dollar falls.
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That's one of my favorite placesto stop. I mean, it's kind of
like this little campground, andit has a hiking trail around it,
and then we actually like towhat you call boondocking. Is
camping in an undesignatedcampground which is totally
legal, and there's a couplespots right outside the million
dollar Falls area that'sabsolutely beautiful, like sandy
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beaches, beautiful water whereyou can swim in and though those
are the things that I reallylike to do in that stretch
between white horse and Hanes,
Jennie Flaming (29:38):
yeah, and Reba, can you also just, while you're
while you've got the mic, talk alittle bit about, like, car
cross and kind of the areabetween on that side of the loop
in the Yukon, what are somehighlights over there?
Unknown (29:53):
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
Well, for its we really like,again, camping. There's this
campground. Called Conrad, whichis closer to car cross than it
is to Skagway. So it's, youknow, about an hour outside of
Skagway, up through the pass,and it's on this beautiful lake
and this sheer mountain. I mean,I can't even describe it. It
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reminds me of those Prudentialcommercials they grew up with,
like a rock. But it isabsolutely beautiful. And then
so we like to camp in the Conradarea. And then we make ourselves
to car cross the and usually inthe morning, right away, and we
just get our coffee and have ameal there. And then we like to
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go to the beach in car cross. Ifthere's a big lake, Bennett is
there. And then there also iswhat is deemed the world's
smallest desert. And there arethese sand dunes there that we
like to play on. We brought ourfour wheelers over before, but
you can hike up to the top, andthen you get a view of Lake
Bennet. And Lake Bennett isabsolutely gorgeous. It's, I
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don't remember how many mileslong it's, Oh, it's over 30
miles long, I believe, yeah. Andso you can, you know, it's, as
far as you can see, it's likethis beautiful lake surrounded
by these majestic peaks. Wehaven't got it into mountain
biking yet, but I really wouldlike to do that, because car
cross is really known for itsmountain biking. And I'm a mom.
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I have a 12 year old, and that'swhat we'd like to do, is kind of
just explore. So that'sdefinitely in our list of things
to do,yeah, just to chime in there
real quick. Rebut, like, I canonly speak for sort of the car
cross side the mountain bikingis incredible. Highly recommend
it if you have your 12 year oldexcited about it. Like that
area, the trails are incredible.
Jennie Flaming (31:41):
Yes,
Unknown (31:42):
yeah, I would like to go there and and the visit the
visitor center and all of theseareas, like, if you're not
exactly sure, like, they're sowelcoming and so kind, and
they've got maps of the area,and they can make
recommendations for you, tellyou where to fill up your water
jugs, or where you you knowwhere the best restrooms are. I
had this great experience. Wentin there, and I was saying how
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much we liked going to EmeraldLake, because emerald Lake is,
like this incredible. You wouldeven it doesn't look really
beautiful. It's so beautiful.
And they were like, well, wehave this other lake that's a
little off the beaten path. Ifyou're interested, I could show
you where it is on a map, andI'm forgetting the name of it,
(32:27):
lose Lake. Lose Lake, yes. Andman, there was nobody else
there. It was like, emerald Laketimes 10. And it was absolutely
incredible. We went fishing, welaid in the sun. It was really a
nice, warm summer day, and wejust had the best time in this
new place. Like, there's just somuch to discover in this area.
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It's absolutely stunning. Carcross is one of my favorite
spots to go to. And then when weget back to Whitehorse, like I
was asking my son, I was like,Well, you know, talking about my
dork day today. And he's like, Iasked him what his favorite
thing to do and the trip is. Andhe's like, I like to go to white
horse, to go to the pool. It'slike, this white horse is a big
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city to us. You know, there's, Ibelieve it's growing very fast,
35 to 40,000 people there now,and they've got all these
wonderful amenities. And likebeing able to walk on the
riverfront there, and therestaurants, the pool, we go
shopping, like it's this andit's just so friendly. And I
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know there is a lot of tensionsbetween our countries right now,
but like, it's just soneighborly. We're all just so
neighbors. We're more neighborsthan anything else. And you
really get that feel up there.
And we just love spending timein Canada, for sure, in all
these areas, but specifically welove and really appreciate all
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that Whitehorse has to offer.
Jennie Flaming (33:53):
Oh yeah, absolutely. I'm just going to
add as another American to loveon Whitehorse, another a couple
of my favorite things to dothere are go to miles Canyon,
which just has really cooltrails. And I actually take
people there. When I'm there onmy tour, we usually go to miles
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Canyon, if we have time forthat. It's such a cool little
spot along the Yukon with trailsand stuff. And then I also
really love the like, relativelynew Eclipse hot springs. Yes,
Unknown (34:28):
highly recommend. Yeah, yeah, no, that is
Jennie Flaming (34:31):
not a place I get to go when I'm there on
tour, which is super sad,
Unknown (34:36):
and it's, it's not a it's not for kids, it's an adult
only place as well. So, but itis a beautiful and wonderful
place to go. Those hot springs.
Everything about it isabsolutely amazing. Yeah,
if, if you're looking for somerelaxation, they are a Nordics
bar, so highly recommend thatone. But you are right, like
even the Canada Game Center inthe pool, like, for amenities,
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if you get to, you know, leaveSkagway or Haynes behind. Right?
This, this is nice to have, andeven if you want to get your
exercise and while you're on theroad like it's a really
wonderful place with a swimmingpool and gym and everything you
may need. But yeah, I agree, andI think what's so beautiful is
with the Yukon River and withMiles Canyon, if you're into
history at all, and even ifyou're driving from the lower 48
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up, there is so much history toto explore and to learn more
about the Gold Rush history andhow it all ties together. And I
just wanted to say thank you toReba too, because it's like a
little bit of a love letter toeach of the other. Yeah. So it
was really lovely to hear that.
Thank you for sharing.
Well, I sincerely mean it very,very, very deeply right now, I
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did want to ask you, there's onething I've been meaning to to do
that I haven't that definitelyis on my list is to be able to
take a flight scenic over thekawani, the ice, yeah, yeah,
and then the tombstone area. Ikeep reading about the tombstone
area, and I've never been Ican't even pick it out on a map,
(36:04):
but I've seen photos. Yeah.
So for for everyone listeningright now is the area you're
coming through when you drivethe Golden Circle and Haynes
junction. So that is one areavery popular for scenic flights,
if you want to see the largestnon polar ice field on the
planet and Canada's tallestmountain. So highly recommend
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that there is a few operatorsout of Haines junction and north
of Haines junction at guany Lakethat I can highly recommend just
Google search, and you will findthem with their reviews. But
yeah, Reba for you tombstone. Sofor anyone having a map in front
of them. If you were to go sixhours drive time north of
Whitehorse, you'll hit DawsonCity, the epicenter of the gold
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rush back in the day. And fromthere, you have the option to
drive a gravel road that leadsall the way to the Arctic Ocean
in takti yaktak. And on thatway, you hit up tombstone and
tombstone. Territorial Park is alocal favorite for all of us. So
if you have more time to spareand you're interested in seeing
more of the Yukon, I highlyrecommend it, especially, as
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Reba said during the fall,colors absolutely stunning.
Everything turns orange, yellowand red, and yeah, you can do
scenic flights up there. Sohighly recommend those. You can
probably get a charter out ofWhitehorse, but it will cost you
a little bit more money becauseyou have to get that far north
first, but otherwise, if you getto Dawson City, so like I said,
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about a six hour drive north ofWhitehorse, and then from there,
you can book a scenic flight andcheck out the area. And it's
absolutely incredible. I haven'tdone the scenic flight myself,
but the area is incredible,really, like anything in the
Yukon and Alaska, you can't gowrong with with wherever you
decide to dedicate some time toseeing something.
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Yeah, sounds like a great sidetrip. I've been to Dawson
before, and I love it. I triedto do the tow shot, I just
couldn't do it.
But I have to admit, shame onme. I am not an official Yukon,
or because I have not put thattoe in against my lips. I have
not got my courage. Maybe, yeah,maybe I'm not a real Yukon, or
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after all. But see, you knowsome of you have and highly
recommend it. If you have thecourage and you feel like it,
you get a certificate. So ifthat isn't reward enough, I
think you have to,
Jennie Flaming (38:24):
yeah, I have lost my certificate. And every
No, no, I know, but it was along time ago. I'm there usually
a couple times a year with mytour groups. And yeah, so I
haven't felt so strongly aboutit, that I needed to get another
certificate.
Unknown (38:44):
Well, there's picture approved, right? That's all that
counts. Yeah, yeah.
Jennie Flaming (38:49):
There is, you know, the 90s, so it's like an
old photo, but yes, yes, and
Unknown (38:57):
that's before it was popular. I just like to say
that, you know, like, noweveryone knows about it.
Everyone
Jennie Flaming (39:03):
plays on the toe. Yeah, you know, honestly,
for me, the toe isn't as bad as,like, I'm not good with shots,
so that part was a lot worsethan the toe for me, even when I
was, like, 24 years old. Anyway,um, so I'm gonna just mention a
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couple things before we get tothe Alaska part. Number one,
doing a trip up to Dawson Cityis another great addition onto
this trip that we're talkingabout. We'll do an episode about
that someday, but yeah, somention that. And then the other
thing I want to mention is thatJay and I did an episode that
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was about driving the dumpsterhighway and on driving the
Dalton Highway, kind ofcomparing those that Dalton in
Alaska and the dumpster in theYukon and Northwest Territories.
And so go back and listen tothat episode if you want. Hear
more about that drive, which issuper cool, and we did it in
September, and it was amazing.
Oh, stunning. Yeah, it wasstunning. Yeah. Okay, so Vicky.
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When you go down to Alaska,Haynes and Skagway area, what
are some of your favorite thingsto do?
Unknown (40:20):
Yes, I'm so excited to share this now, because it feels
like I get to do the payback tomy love letter to to both those
communities, because they havesuch a special place. And
honestly, every person thatlives in the Yukon would adopt
Skagway and hates as honorarymembers. We just love going
there, and everyone is always sowelcoming, like it's just
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wonderful special in the north.
Gosh, there's so much that Ilove to do. But like Reba said,
like every time I go, there'ssomething else I want to I want
to see, or I want to prioritize,some things I've done over and
over again, and others are,like, still new corners that I
try to explore. But on the haneside, for me, first of all,
camping is great, so highlyrecommend that too, if you're
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into that. But otherwise, theAspen suites hotel is really
lovely and new. So for someonethat is looking for a little bit
more comfort, there are reallygreat cabins. I personally love
staying at the gathering place.
They have, like, several rusticcabins. You're a little bit
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outside of Haines, so if youhave your your car with you,
that's a great option. And youoverlook the inlet, and with
some luck, you'll see some sealions and lots and lots of
eagles. Like Haynes is just theplace. If you've never seen a
bald eagle, you will see yourbald eagle in Haynes. Fun fact,
they all migrate there in thewinter months. I know you might
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not visit in November, but ifyou ever find yourself there, I
would highly recommend checkingout the bald eagle festival. I
think Reba, it's November,right? If I get that
correct, correct, it's alwaysthe first weekend in November.
Yeah,yeah. Highly, highly recommend
that, but, and as soon as I getinto Haines, I don't know, for
me, it's the drive crossing theborder and then driving along
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the river, getting into thecommunity, that I just love so
much. And for food, I don't knowwhy. I would love to know how
the locals feel about it, butfor me, bamboo place is the
first place I ever went for fishand chips and Ames and so this
is sort of like the place Ialways have to go back to highly
recommend. It has sort of thisdiner feel to it, and you gotta
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eat fish and chips when you'reon the coast. So for us, this is
really important when we come toSkagway or Hames, even though
we're not too far away. But Iwant to eat it sort of as fresh
as it can get. And I love goingto, oh my goodness, Reba, you
have to help me. But your localgrocery store with the little
coffee shop in it, like that'salways, Mount market. Yes. Mount
(42:50):
market, yes. So this is a placeyou have to stop it either it's
a sandwich before you hit theferry. For us, there is a big
event that happens in the summermonths, which is the bike relay.
So you you have groups cyclingfrom Haynes junction to Haines.
And so for all of usparticipants, we spent the night
there, and there's a little golive. And, you know, very
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rustic, but everyone loves it.
And for us, anyways, the fuel isto go to the mountain market and
get ourselves a treat once wecomplete our legs. So highly
recommend that. But there reallyis so much. There is the brewery
and the distillery. If you'reinto sort of like the craft
brewery scene, you definitelyhave to check that out. And for
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me, activity wise, I love theocean. Now, unfortunate for me
that I'm sort of land locked onthe Yukon side, but even better
that Haynes and Skagway are sowelcoming. So that's always my
little escape. And there are somany wonderful hikes. So like,
if you're into hiking, Ihonestly recommend that you do
the Battery Point trail. Thatone is really friendly for sort
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of, like, easy to maybe a littlemoderate, like, you need to have
good footing, but the trail isreally good and and then it's
Mount ripinski. I love thathike. Like, if you're in for a
challenge and you have some timeto spare, especially if it is a
clear day, you have to do itlike, the view is absolutely
breathtaking. And you walkthrough sort of like this lush
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rain forest coastal area, andwork your way up into the
Alpine. Fun fact, if you do itin the summer months, you find
some blueberries up top. If youknow what they look like.
Otherwise, don't eat them,please. But yeah, highly
recommend that. So those aresort of like some of my top
things to do in Haines. And thentaking the ferry is the best.
But if I don't get to take theferry and I come the other way
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around into Skagway. Skagway,for everyone, again, on the map,
is closer to us driving timewise, from Whitehorse. So this
is sort of like a little bit ofa default for the locals, if
we're trying to get a little bitof an escape from the territory.
And so with two hours, that'ssuper manageable. And for. Me,
Skagway is all about, like,history and culture, and that,
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like, little vibrant mix, verydifferent in the summer time
than it is in the winter time.
And honestly, I love both forall the different reasons. But
when I go to Skagway, sort offirst order of business for me
is to check out all the stores,because it's sort of like, it
gives you that big city feel dueto the cruise ships coming. And
there's lots of things that wedon't have in the territory that
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is just fun to check out and getyourself some treats and
souvenirs, honestly, like, youknow, as you know, with cruise
ships, but like, it's just funto get, like, postcards and
little trinkets for family andfriends. If you ever have the
time you have to take the whitepass railway like, I can't
recommend that one enough,especially again, if there is a
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part of your travel group that'sinterested in history. But even
if you're not interested inhistory, and maybe you're a
Harry Potter fan, you know, itgives you Hogwarts train vibes
like highly recommend it. Theviews are so I have not
Jennie Flaming (46:08):
the White Pass railroad before, but it's been
Unknown (46:11):
to the UK, and you want that feel, you know, take the
white pass Come, come to theYukon and Alaska. But I really
love the train ride, and there'sjust so much to learn about the
Gold Rush history, and reallyhow closely connected we've
always been to Alaska for somany different reasons, but
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particularly in that region, asall the people coming for the
Gold Rush came across andbasically went up in a ship,
climbed mountains and try tofind their way to Dawson. So
really recommend that, again,lots of beautiful hikes if
you're looking for sort of likesomething a little challenging,
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upper dewy lake that one willask some energy of you. You have
to bring some good snacks andwater for that one. But again,
rewarding views, absolutelystunning, because you work your
your way from sort of like thecoastal area, through the rain
forest into the Alpine. You'rejust surrounded by mountains
when you go to Haynes andSkagway. And it's just so
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humbling to be in that area,kind of like in these valleys
and inlets, very different fromwhat you'll see in the Yukon.
Gosh. What else there's so muchto do, really, like, I know we
touched on it, if you can do itin three days, but hopefully you
have more time than that tospare. I think if there is
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another interest in hiking, youknow, of course we have the
Chilkoot Trail, there has beensome maintenance been done, and
of course, through the years ofthe pandemic, there were some
challenges, because we are stilltwo different nations. But if
it's open at the time of youlistening to this, I highly
recommend looking into that ifyou're really into backpacking
and hiking, to really follow thefootsteps of the people coming
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to the North during the GoldRush, so much history to be seen
and explored. But Skagway isjust, if I had to compare the
two. For me, Haines is sort oflike that outdoor, you know,
small community, cozy vibe,where you like, feel taken away
into your little I, and I don'tmean that in a bad way, but like
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your Hallmark movie of like,just, you know, everyone knows
everyone. It's super cozy andoutdoorsy. And then, if I have
skeg way, and I'm talking summerseason now, you have sort of
like that eclectic mix ofdifferent people coming to visit
on a cruise ship and localscoming on the Golden Circle
route or driving down. And it'sjust sort of like very vibrant
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mix, super fun people from allover the states that are up
there for the season too, whichis so nice. And yeah, as as you
Coronavirus, we just love goingto both places for all the
different reasons. And yeah, Imentioned the bike relay
earlier. Is one event that wehave. There is a road relay in
the fall months that goes fromSkagway to Whitehorse. If you're
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into running and punishingyourself, you know that might be
something to sign up for, butthere's just so much to do. And
I think the really beautifulthing for anyone visiting is the
relationship that we have witheach other. Like, I don't know
Reba, how you you feel, but it'ssort of like we're just doing
this together, and we just lovesharing the love for where we
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both live. It doesn't matter ifthere's a border basically you
have to cross, other than thefact that you need a passport,
but otherwise it's just, it'sabsolutely stunning. You have to
see it for yourself.
Can I ask you, Victoria, what?
What's your favorite where'syour favorite places to eat in
Skagway?
Oh, my goodness, um, now I feellike this is every U corners
(49:49):
favorite place to eat inSkagway, and you have to correct
me, because I haven't been therein a while, but like, is
Starfire still around?
Oh, they, they, they are. Theyhad. A season or two where they
were not in business, but theyhave a food truck now. So in the
summertime, you can go to a foodtruck, and it is just as good,
if not better, perfect.
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Okay, so for everyone listening,then clearly, you know, I'm
overdue for my visit to go tothe food truck, but Starfire,
that is like the default formany of us going, because it is
Thai food, which we don't havein Whitehorse, even though we
might be a metropolis two peoplein Skagway. So go to Starfire
and then, of course, I reallylike the brewery. They have good
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pop food there. Again, if you'relooking for fish and chips. I'm
so bad with my names today. Bearwith me here. I'm just cheating
a little bit looking at GoogleMaps. Yes, the Fish Company.
See, I should know that name.
Clearly, you go there to eatfish, but the Skyway Fish
Company is great. So highlyrecommend going there. You have
another really cute coffee shop.
(50:51):
Clearly, I'm blanking today, Iapologize, but that coffee shop
also makes like the mostdelicious London fog. Not sure
that everyone is into that. Buthighly recommend those. They
keep you nice and place yourcoffee shop. Yep, yes, thank
you. This is what we got Rebafor everyone so she can fill in
the blanks that I have. Very,very embarrassing on my part, I
apologize. But really, the goodnews is, Skagway and Haynes are
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very walkable, so even if youdon't know the name, or I don't
know the name, you ask someoneor you'll find it if you give it
five minutes. So that's a reallybeautiful thing too, maybe to
mention in my defense right now,
Jennie Flaming (51:25):
yeah, and you know, Vicky, I'm glad that you
mentioned that, because, youknow, when you were on a road
trip, it's really nice when youhave those times where you can
just park and then just exploreon foot. And both Haynes and
Skagway are great places to be,like, not in the car and just
walking around. And yeah forsure, yeah,
Unknown (51:48):
yeah. Super, super friendly for people walking
Absolutely. Okay,
Jennie Flaming (51:52):
so let's, let's kind of keep, as we kind of move
towards wrapping up here, let'skeep the food theme going. So,
Reba, you got us started byasking about Skagway. Let's move
over to Haynes. Then we canfinish up in white horse and
Vicky. I you know you alreadymentioned a couple favorites.
(52:12):
Any anything else that either ofyou want to specifically call
out for Haynes? I'm going
Unknown (52:19):
to cheat again and quickly pull up maps here. So
bear with me, everyone. I willlet Reba go first.
I think you're probably lookingfor the fireweed as my best
guess.
Yes, but yes,next to the distillery. So
unfortunately, the fireweeditself closed down, but they're
reopening this year with adifferent owner, and they're
going to be called dear heart.
(52:41):
And it's really true to thesense of pains itself, like
they're using a lot of locallyforaged ingredients for their
menu, which I think will changequite often. So you're going to
just have to google dear heart,D, E, R, and as, like, actually
(53:03):
a plant, yeah,
Jennie Flaming (53:04):
spelled like the animal named after a plant.
Unknown (53:07):
Correct, exactly. So it's exciting that we're going
to have a new restaurant openhere, and then also the local
tribe that they're opening up arestaurant on the pier, which
will be down there if you'rehere in Haines on the
waterfront, there's a large dockand then a smaller dock. The
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smaller dock is owned by ourtry, the Chilkoot Indian
Association, and they run a foottraffic shuttle between Skagway
and Haynes in the summertimeonly. So you can't take your
vehicle on it, but you can takea nice day trip between the two
communities, if that's whatyou'd like to do. But they're
also going to be opening up arestaurant this summer on the
(53:48):
pier, and that location isbeautiful, so I'm super excited
to see what they do with that.
But yeah, fish and chips,there's a couple restaurants
that do it here, and everysingle one of them, they're just
really good because you're usinglocal halibut. And as an
Alaskan, I just halibut. It's myfavorite dish. It's so good.
It's everything about it is sogood. So wherever, wherever
(54:11):
you're eating at here insoutheast Alaska, definitely
recommend getting halibut orsalmon, but I like halibut, and
Lincoln is great too. You haveyour link caught there, but
halibut is my all time favorite.
I agree.
Jennie Flaming (54:23):
Yeah. Okay, that sounds awesome. So let's finish
up. This is making me extremelyhungry at this point in the
podcast, when we start divinginto food. All right, let's
finish up with white horse. Whatare some of both of your
favorite places to eat, inWhitehorse.
Unknown (54:43):
Oh, that's a good question. I don't Reba, would
you like to go first? Or shall Igo first? What do you prefer?
I'llgo first, but you're going to
have to help me with the name.
Yes, I will. I love Mexicanfood. And there's two places
there that I like, the iconicone, Sanchez, Cantina. Yeah,
yes, thank you. That is so good,made from scratch. I mean, it is
(55:06):
awesome. It's one of my favoriteplaces to eat in Whitehorse. And
then the other one we tried.
It's connected to a glassbowling place. Oh, we I think
it's rarely, fairly new. Only isthat is, is it compadres
burritos? I don't know thatthey're next to the bowling
alley, though. Maybe they move.
Let me see, I'm sorry, not thebowling alley, the glass
(55:27):
blowing. It's connected to aCOVID. Gather,
sorry, sorry. Gather, yes, yes,gather, amazing.
Oh my gosh, it was so good. Andit's not just Mexican, it's like
this infusion. And anything youorder there is absolutely
amazing. And then I like to getIndian food to there. And then,
honestly, it sounds funny, butpeople like us to bring Tim bits
(55:50):
back, don't it? Yes. And thenalso people like us to bring
Kentucky Fried Chicken back.
Sounds funny, but we areliterally in the middle of
nowhere, so any kind of chainrestaurant is even sought after
a little bit for a lot of peoplehere,
you need your chain food. Phil,occasionally there's nothing
wrong with that
Jennie Flaming (56:10):
you Tim. Tim Hortons is, is just the best.
Yes,
Unknown (56:15):
yes, it is. We're very proud of it. I know you are, and
I
Jennie Flaming (56:18):
love that. I love that about Canada. Yeah, I
know Tim
Unknown (56:22):
Hortons is just an institution to us. So for anyone
that hasn't been to Canada, youshould really go to Tim Hortons
and order Tim bits to experienceit. Oh, man, those are good
choices that's going to be hardto follow up with. Maybe I'm
going to start with sort of likethe craft brewery scene, because
that's maybe somethinginteresting to some listeners.
(56:43):
So we have just like skating.
They have their breweries too,but we do have Yukon brewing,
and they've been around thelongest, so highly recommend
checking them out. They havetheir little taste room, so you
should go there if you'reinterested in beer. But we have
winter long brewing. They are upat the local ski hill, but sold
in our local liquor stores aswell. And then one place that
(57:04):
really popular, so if you'resort of like looking for a nice
cocktail or beers, iswoodcutters blanket. So I can
highly recommend that, sort oflike for for some you know,
appies and drinks as onelocation gather is so hard to
follow up on. Gather isdelicious, but we also have now
relatively new Big Bear eateryand tap house, and they're
(57:29):
really well known for theirdonaires. So if you are in the
market for donair, you have tostop there. That one is really
popular if I'm getting myself atreat for the road, and it's not
important, I like stopping atbaked that's on Main Street.
Again, Main Street is verywalkable too, but they have
great sort of coffees and teasand delicious scones and
(57:51):
pastries. So that's the placeyou want to hit up. There's so
much. What else do I really loveMaybe a well kept secret is, and
it's not in downtown Whitehorse,but if you have your car with
you, and you're headed down thehighway towards saints junction,
there is a subdivision calledPorter Creek, and they have
whiskey jacks, and they haveamazing wings. And Wednesday is
(58:14):
wing night. So if you findyourself in Whitehorse on a
Wednesday, highly recommendhaving wings there.
Jennie Flaming (58:22):
Love it. Okay, I'm going to add one place that
neither of you mentioned that Ireally love, in Whitehorse,
which is burnt the burnt toastcafe. Yes,
Unknown (58:34):
yes. And I guess in in, in next to it is the Klondike
grip and salmon. And so I thinkfor anyone visiting the Yukon
for the very first time, burnttoast and the claw neck grip and
salmon are sort of like a legacyup here. They have the change in
ownership as well, but they arein this old historic building,
and both both like deliciousfood, so highly recommended. But
(58:58):
burn toast is delicious too. Ihaven't been there in a while,
so maybe that's my inspirationfor today. Yeah.
Jennie Flaming (59:03):
Also, I believe that burnt toast is only open
for breakfast and lunch. Yes,don't think they're open in the
evening.
Unknown (59:11):
That's correct. Yeah, great spot. Yeah, wonderful.
Then you just move over to thequantitative grip and salmon for
dinner, because that's exactly
Jennie Flaming (59:17):
you just make two more minutes away. Yes,
exactly, exactly. Well, Reba andVicky, thank you so much for
joining me today for this superfun episode and sharing all this
international love. Thank you somuch.
Unknown (59:34):
Thank you so much for having me. This was a blast. I
know Reba is already familiarwith this, but as a first timer,
thank you so much for the loveand the warm welcome and it's
it's been so fun to share myhome with everyone listening. I
hope you all come visit.
Yeah, thank thank you bothladies. This means a lot to us
right now. I mean, it's reallyhard not to feel the fracture
(59:57):
that's happening on the nationallevel. And this just really
solidifies for me how much weare neighbors and how much
positive there is, and if we canjust keep that going, that's
that is really important to thecommunity of Hanes, and I do
feel comfortable speaking forall of us, that we love our
neighbors and we hope thateverything gets settled here in
the near future, because we weappreciate it, and we rely on
(01:00:22):
you, and you're very importantto us, and
you are very important to us,doesn't matter how small you're
part of the honorary Yukonfamily. So we would love nothing
more than to see things get alittle bit better. And we hope
that everyone that local or notlocal, chooses to come visit
because we know this isimportant to you.
Jennie Flaming (01:00:43):
Well, thank you again, both of you. Thanks to
all of you out there forlistening, and from All of us
honorary and yukoners, bye fornow. You.
Jennie, welcome to the Alaska uncovered podcast
(00:08):
with me, your host, JennieThwing Flaming, my occasional co
host and full time husband,Jennie and I bring you accurate,
helpful and entertaininginformation about Alaska, travel
and life in Alaska, before westart today's show, we'd like to
take a moment to thank ourPatreon subscribers for your
(00:30):
support and making this podcastpossible. Enjoy the show. Are
you looking for a funinternational adventure road
trip. On your trip to Alaska, ifyou like to get away from it
all, then you're gonna love thisepisode today. My guests today
(00:53):
are Reba Hylton and ViktoriaMuhlbauer. Reba has been on the
podcast before we have talkedabout Skagway and Haynes with
Reba in the past, and today, weare thrilled to have Vicky join
us as well from Whitehorse,which is in the Yukon in Canada,
(01:13):
and we're going to talk aboutone of the best road trips in
North America, in My opinion.
It's called the Golden CircleDrive, and we're going to talk
about that today. But before weget into that, Reba and Vicky,
welcome to Alaska, uncovered.
Thank you for being here. Thank
Unknown (01:31):
you for having us.
Yeah, it's great to be here, andthanks for having me again. I
love it. Yes, I
Jennie Flaming (01:38):
know it's great to have you back. Reba, all
right, so I would love to haveeach of you just briefly
introduce yourself and share alittle bit about Haynes and
Whitehorse, where you're from.
So Rebo, let's start with you.
Unknown (01:54):
Okay, great. Well, my official title is tourism
director for the Haynes boroughhere. I've lived in Haines for a
total of 12 years, and I'velived in Skagway for about 15
years. So I definitely have apassion for all things Southeast
Alaska. And one of the reallybenefits of being in this part
(02:17):
of Southeast Alaska is beingable to go up into the Yukon. So
I'm super excited to be on thispodcast today, because this is
one of the things that takingthis road trip is one of the
things that I put on my calendarto do yearly. And so I have been
fortunate enough to be able todo this drive, I would say,
dozens and dozens of times. SoI'm really looking forward to
(02:41):
this, so thank you so much forfocusing on it.
Jennie Flaming (02:43):
Yeah,
Unknown (02:45):
awesome. Well, yeah, thank you so much for having me
too. Like, I'm so excited to beinvited as, like, the
representation of the Canadianneighbor for Whitehorse on this
drive. So, yeah, my My name isVicky. I have a background in
tourism. I work for Fraser wayRV and up north, adventures in
Whitehorse. But now I'm thegeneral manager for mammoth
marketing and Whitehorse, we'resmall agency here, and gosh,
(03:09):
being being in the Yukon theGolden Circle too, is a drive
everyone has to take, asWhitehorse, being the capital of
the Yukon Territory, right nextdoor to Alaska. We have a
international airport here thatbrings a lot of visitors from
Europe annually in the summerseason, and then getting people
from hubs like Edmonton,Calgary, Vancouver, to come
(03:32):
visit, if you're looking forlike wilderness and adventure
like this is sort of where youwant to arrive. And the Golden
Circle basically comes throughwhite horse. So definitely
recommend considering that forespecially people that are maybe
on a on a shorter timeline for avisit up here.
Jennie Flaming (03:52):
Yes, absolutely.
And I am going to guess thatmany people listening to this
podcast have not ever heard ofwhite horse, and maybe not of
the Yukon, which is really toobad, because the Yukon is
absolutely amazing. If you'vebeen listening for a while, you
will have heard about it,because we've talked about the
(04:12):
Yukon on the podcast a few othertimes, and we're gonna get into
logistics more a little bitlater, before we really talk
about this wonderful road tripand how unique and special it
is. I also just want to namethat right now, things are
pretty tense between the US andCanada, which is really
(04:36):
heartbreaking to me. I've livedmy entire life within 100 miles
of the border with Canada. Myancestors are from Canada. I
guess in Fairbanks I was alittle more than 100 miles away.
But everywhere else I've livedwas very close to the border.
And so I hope with this episode,my fellow Americans that. It, I
(04:58):
can encourage you to visit ourneighbors and just really
appreciate how special the tiesare that we have across the
border that are unfortunatelykind of at risk at the moment.
So alright, so Reba, would yoube willing to start I I'd like
to make sure people understandwhat we are talking about when
(05:22):
we say this Golden Circle Drive.
I know all three of us have donethis drive many times and love
it, which is why we're talkingabout it. So Reba, could you
start by kind of explaining,kind of what the route is, how
long it is how much time youwould recommend spending, and
(05:44):
then we'll get to more detailsin a few minutes.
Unknown (05:48):
Yeah, well, I mean, like with all trips, you can
make this a short trip or a longtrip. I typically like to take
three days when I do it, andevery single time I feel like
that's not enough, but the routeitself is so Hanes Haines is a
very unique destination. We area little bit remote in what
(06:12):
typically would be consideredoff the beaten path, because
we're the very northern end ofthe Inside Passage. So we get
lots of cruise ships in thearea, just not a lot
specifically here in ourcommunity, but we get quite a
few over in Skagway. And thebeauty of our two communities,
Skagway and Haynes, is that weare connected to the road
(06:32):
system. And there's only threecommunities in all of Southeast
connected to the road system.
And so with Haynes and Skagwaybeing connected. You can drive
from one town to the to theother, but it is 365 miles to do
that. And so, I mean, you coulddo that in a day, but, like,
really, there's so much inbetween to enjoy, like, it's
(06:53):
it's a trip in itself thatshould be experienced. So I
would highly recommend fivedays, if you can do five days
minimum, but, but, you know,three days is pretty good if
you're really on a tightschedule. And then the
connecting route between Haynesand Skagway itself, if you're
not driving, is actually what weconsider a highway on its own.
(07:14):
We have the Alaska marineHighway, which is our state
ferry system. So if you'rebringing a vehicle up, or you're
renting one in Whitehorse, andwanting to do this drive, to be
able to make it a full circle,you have to book a trip on the
ferry to get between Haynes andSkagway. And so you can make it
(07:38):
this golden circle, and that'spretty much how I would base if
I was trying to makereservations or planning this
trip, I would look at the ferryschedule and have that out in
front of me, yeah? And then makethose reservations as soon as
you can, because in the summertime, it can sell out and you
might have to wait days to get avehicle onto the ferry system.
(07:59):
Yeah. So, yeah. So the GoldenCircle is this amazing route
that takes you what I believe isthe best of Alaska, the top of
the Inside Passage, where over amillion people go on cruises.
But then you can also drive upfurther and experience a little
sliver of the British Columbia,which is by only, hello,
Jennie Flaming (08:25):
British Columbia. We love your tiny
little
Unknown (08:28):
you gotta take a picture. You know, you have to
prove that you feel therereally,
yes, absolutely, and yeah. Andon these borders, you have these
great signs so you can, youknow, Mark, you know when your
selfies where you're at the bigwelcome to Alaska signs and also
the Welcome to the Yukon consigns are very iconic. I mean,
I've got a dozen photos of each,because there's such it's such a
(08:52):
beautiful place here. I mean,you really it's hard to
describe. And that's what makesthis trip so epic, is like
you're on the coast here insoutheast Alaska and the
mountains will go up 5000 feetfrom the sea, and you could see
glaciers. And then you cantravel up the highway either
what direction between Skagwayand Haynes. The passes are very
(09:13):
unique, but both stunning intheir own ways. And you get up
into this alpine area, and onceyou're into the Yukon and man, I
just tell you, the lakes go onfor miles, and it is absolutely
stunning, and the wildlife isincredible. And then you have
these wonderful communities andcampgrounds in between, but
(09:35):
they're hours, you know, youhave to drive hours to get to
the next community. So youdefinitely feel that sense of
wilderness and that sense ofadventure. And if you're into
the back country at all, it'sit's mind blowing, and, yeah,
it's one of my favorite placeson the planet. I feel very, very
fortunate to live here. And Iwill strap my paddle boards on,
(09:56):
we'll put our fishing gear, andwe will do this trip every
single year. And sometimes we'regoing to go up into the Yukon
for a specific event and hangout there, but oftentimes we're
going just to camp or to hike orcar cross has got some wonderful
dunes, and then we always stopin Skagway to get a good meal.
Like every community is sodifferent it has its own
(10:18):
offerings. That's really whatmakes it such a wonderful and
unique experience you kind ofget to do get to do it all on
this one road trip. Yes, yeah,it's such a great combination of
everything that I thinkSoutheast Alaska and the Yukon
has to offer. And I feel likeonce you do it, you get hooked
and you want more of it. Andit's just the perfect mix for a
(10:38):
long weekend, or if you havemore time to allow you for it,
absolutely I agree.
Jennie Flaming (10:45):
Yeah. You know, one thing that I wanted to just
add to what you said about howwonderful this, this trip is, is
in addition to the fact thatthis is not like a common thing
that, like every cruise shipvisitor is doing this, not true.
Everybody going to Alaska or theYukon is doing this, not true.
(11:07):
Um, but in addition to that, theway that you can see, like
coastal Alaska, plus theinterior in the Yukon so close
together, you know, if you'redriving from Anchorage, that's
going to be many more hours tosee that kind of diversity that
(11:28):
you see there between the coastand the interior in just a
really short amount of time.
It's really amazing. Yeah,
Unknown (11:35):
I think Reba touched on it just knowing that you drive
from Whitehorse through theYukon to Skagway or the other
way around, you get like so manydifferent landscapes. And I
think that is something thatmakes this trip really special
any time of year, because for usgoing to visit and doing the
loop, it's an escape from winterwhen we have mild temperatures
(11:57):
in Skagway or Haynes in thesummertime, it's that coastal
climate we're seeking when it'smaybe mild up here. So you you
get so much in such a smallarea, all things considered,
knowing how big Alaska and theYukon are, but it's it just it
hits all the boxes for what youwould want. If you're interested
(12:17):
in the outdoors, you want acultural experience from a
history standpoint, but alsofrom indigenous culture in
Canada, maybe there are so manyactivities to do. I know Reba
said, Stand up, paddle boarding,and I'm like, all excited about
that hiking. You get to comethrough Kewaunee National Park
and reserve, which is absolutelymind blowing. Like, if you are
(12:38):
into hiking and you have neverheard of this place. It is about
time that you look it up. Youcan wander the dunes that we
have in car cross barefoot, andthere's a beautiful beach there.
It's just there's so much foreveryone. Doesn't matter if it's
a couple's trip or a family,like, yeah, that trip does it
all for me?
Jennie Flaming (12:57):
Yes, I totally agree, and I so we're going to
move into some logistics, andthen we'll talk about some
specific stops along the way.
Before we do that, I want tomention for our listeners that
this makes a wonderful side tripif you are driving the Alaska
Highway, and I know that many ofyou are planning a trip like
(13:20):
that, where you're driving fromthe lower 48 This is a wonderful
side trip to take. And if youare not doing that, but you're
you're looking for a wonderfuloutdoor oriented trip in Alaska,
you can do it by itself, andwe'll talk about that as well.
(13:41):
So Reba and Vicky, I'd love totalk a little bit about some of
the logistics. So this isobviously an awesome trip. We'll
talk about some of the specificstops along the way, but I can
imagine people listening to thisand being like, Oh, where am I
gonna rent a car? Like, whatabout all these border crossings
and time changes and like, allthis stuff. So let's kind of
(14:04):
address that first. So to startoff, let's talk a little bit
about the border. And for thoseof you listening, I want to make
sure we'll talk about the borderand our experiences crossing.
The most important thing is tocheck with Canadian customs and
US Customs about what they'recurrently requiring and not
(14:27):
requiring, right? So anythingthat we say could be out of date
at any time. So just make surethat you're double checking that
they are the final authority, ofcourse, on what is permitted to
be brought across the border andnot brought across the border.
So let's see. Reba, do you wantto start talking about kind of
(14:50):
your experiences with crossing?
And then Vicki, you can sharethat from the Yukon perspective?
Absolutely.
Unknown (14:58):
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think, well, first and foremost,
I mean, you're coming up thisfar, and if you're driving all
the way up, you're going to haveyour passports anyways. I think
the most important thing I couldsay is just to be really
respectful of your borderguards, no matter where you're
coming from or no matter whatyour mood, it's a very serious
(15:19):
thing crossing an internationalborder. So you gotta keep that
in mind as laid back and as aremote we are and has you, you
know you can drive for miles andall of a sudden you're at this
in the middle of nowhere, andthere's this border station
there. You still have. They,they take their job very
seriously, and you can alwaysget on the internet and find out
(15:40):
what you're allowed to bringthrough and not bring through.
There are certain products,like, you can't bring raw
chicken through, or you can'tbring avocados currently, and
those things kind of change, butit'd be a shame to, like, stock
up on those things and not beable to bring them through on
your travels. So that's superimportant to know that. And
(16:02):
then, I mean, there's also youcould fly into Juneau as well,
and then make your way up on theferry and bring your own
vehicle. Or you can rent avehicle in Whitehorse, which is,
I highly recommend. It's supereasy to fly into Whitehorse,
yeah, especially if you're inthe Pacific Northwest Area, and
you can get yourself toVancouver. It's so easy to fly
(16:25):
from Vancouver to Whitehorse andsuper inexpensive. I as an
American, I can tell you yes,and then you can rent a vehicle
there, and it's totally fine tobring it through the border and
back again. So that's always areally good way to travel, yeah.
But if you're on that road trip,and you're doing the whole
interior of Alaska, and you'regoing up, and you've got time,
(16:48):
you know, taking either on theway up or the way back, I highly
recommend just taking thatlittle spur and coming one down
through Skagway, getting on theferry over to Haynes, and then
back up, and you can meet theAlcan again at a Haynes. So
yeah, either way, young orgoing,
Jennie Flaming (17:07):
Yeah, Natalie, yeah. What do you want to add to
that? Vicky about borders? Iagree with Reba that if you are
going to fly to do this roadtrip, not Victoria? Well, not
wrong.
Unknown (17:23):
You can also call me Victoria. It doesn't really
matter for the people listening.
Jennie Flaming (17:28):
So if I also I agree that, like, white horse is
the place you'd want to fly toand rent a car if you're not
bringing your own car. Yeah,100%
Unknown (17:39):
like, totally for everyone coming from the lower
48 driving their vehicle, thatmakes sense. But if you're just
looking for an adventure, airnorth, our local airline out of
the Yukon is incredible,incredibly reliable, incredible
service. The price is reallyfair, and you better believe it,
they still feed you a meal onyour flight, and you get two
pieces of luggage, I know. So weare all very much in support of
(18:03):
our own airline here. Yes, notat all, but yeah, you can they
are, but they fly out of, likeRiva said, out of Vancouver,
Calgary, Edmonton. So those aresort of like the big hubs that
can bring you to Whitehorse, andrenting a car is so easy here.
So as I mentioned earlier, whitehorse, we might be small, but we
(18:27):
are the capital of theterritory, and so we do have a
few different rental stationshere. And because so many
tourists come, really, it's noproblem to cross the border, so
nothing to be worried about.
They might ask you about it, butyou you don't have to worry
about a thing, and as long asyou have your rental agreement
with you, the border guardsmight ask for that, but most of
the time, they won't reallybother. Just be prepared to show
(18:49):
it if asked. And fun fact, allthe rental vehicles in the Yukon
have an R in their licenseplate, so that is a giveaway
already for all of us that youare visiting. But I think in
terms of border crossing, Ithink both of you really touched
on the most important part.
These are people doing theirjob, and their job is to protect
(19:10):
their respective countries, sobeing respectful and courteous.
I think one thing that isinteresting, especially if you
cross the border for the firsttime. You may be used to Borders
being right one after another.
And if you go from Haynes toPleasant camp, that's the case,
you have the border relativelyshortly after another. But if
you're going from the SkagwayWhite Horse side, you have what
(19:32):
I like to call no man's land.
Clearly, it's not man's land.
There is the border there, yes.
But you're you're crossingCanadian customs, and then
you're driving for a few moremiles, and you might think,
like, oh, like, are we? Like,are we in the US yet? And
there's a big sign that will letyou know, but you will cross US
(19:53):
Customs a little bit later down,down the road. So that's just
something to be mindful of. And.
Otherwise, yeah, just checkonline and make sure that you're
sort of up to date witheverything that you need to
provide the requirements thatare currently in place, and
really just being respectful anddon't take any questions that
you're being asked personally.
(20:15):
It is their job. I think that'salways a good reminder. I think
you touched on it earlier that,like, you know, sometimes we're
in a mood or we're stressed,like, they just have to check
some boxes, and they have tomake sure that that you check
those boxes. So, you know, justit can sometimes takes a little
bit of time in the summer monthstoo, just being patient. There's
only so many of them in theseremote locations. So if you, if
(20:38):
you hit the rush hour by byaccident, you know, just turn
your car off, enjoy the view,and just wait until it's your
turn. But just, I think theNorth will sort of like slow you
right down so you won't havemore time just waiting for a
second. Yeah, yeah,
Jennie Flaming (20:56):
that what both of you shared, is really wise.
The The only other thing thatcomes to my mind is, if you are
crossing the border in cominginto Skagway and going to the
ferry, make sure that it is notanywhere near close to the time
of the ferry. Yes, the border
Unknown (21:16):
really good point. And the time difference, of course,
to keep in mind, if you'releaving the Canadian side
heading into the US that hasimplications. We were joking
earlier, all three of us thatwere currently in three
different time zones. Yes. Sowinter is a little bit
different. Not so much to worryabout in the summer months. But
yeah, that's that's a reallygood tip you have. Yeah,
Jennie Flaming (21:35):
yeah. So just to talk about the time a little
bit, and it's confusing, becausethese border crossings that you
go across are north southborders, like you're going north
or south across the border, butyou are changing time zones at
the border between Alaska andCanada, and so just be mindful
(21:57):
of that, that Alaska time in theSummer is one hour earlier than
the time in the Yukon andBritish Columbia. Yes, yeah.
Okay, wonderful. And Reba. Iknow we talked a little bit
about ferry logistics earlier.
Is there anything else that youwanted to add about that, that
people should know if they'redoing that as part of their
(22:18):
trip?
Unknown (22:22):
Just be flexible. Print out that schedule and know ahead
of time what your options are.
Occasionally, it will cancelbecause of a breakdown or
because with Skagway, tends tobe very windy, so the ferry
could have a little difficultygetting in there. But in the
summer, it's running everysingle day, but it's still
really good just to have thosereservations and have your
(22:43):
camera ready, because it isincredibly scenic between here
and Skagway at 17 miles. Butyou're like extreme rock walls
and waterfalls, and you couldspot EA and sometimes you can
even see a bear from the side,like whales, beautiful whales,
yep, sea lions, depending on thetime of the year. It's an
(23:04):
absolutely stunning ride. AndI think, sorry to interrupt,
yeah, Reba, I think you know,what's so special about is, for
people that haven't seen theinside passage again, it's sort
of this, like short glimpse intothis beautiful coastal area. And
you will want to check out therest of the Inside Passage for
just that short ferry rightafterwards.
(23:26):
Yeah, absolutely. It only takesan hour. It's an hour right
itself. But, I mean, I can spendthe entire time outside
photographing the area. It'sabsolutely stunning.
Jennie Flaming (23:37):
Yeah, it really is okay. We're going to take a
short break, and when we comeback, we will talk with Reba and
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Ventures.com now back to theshow. We are back with Vicky and
Reba, and we are talking aboutthe Golden Circle route, which
(25:10):
is a wonderful road trip thatwe're saying you should spend
five days doing, but if you onlyhave three, you should still do
it, because it's really awesomegoing between the Yukon and
southeast Alaska at the northend of the Inside Passage. So we
thought it would be kind of funto have Reba share some of her
(25:32):
her favorite places when she isvisiting the Yukon, and Vick to
share some of her favoriteplaces when she is visiting this
part of Alaska. So let'simagine, for just for this
discussion, that we're startingand ending this trip in
(25:53):
Whitehorse, because if someoneis going to fly up, you know, we
already talked about how flyingto Whitehorse and renting a car
is the way to go. If you'redriving the Alaska Highway back
or forth, back and forth toAlaska from the lower 48 you'd
be passing through Whitehorse.
(26:13):
So Reba, let's start with thepart of the drive that goes from
Whitehorse down to the borderwith Alaska near Skagway. What
are some things that you thinkcan't be missed during that
section?
Unknown (26:29):
Well, I would honestly make my way from Whitehorse
right over to the Haynesjunction area. I like to camp
myself. So there's a couplecampgrounds I like to go to. In
fact, I've already made myreservations for Kalani for the
summer. I picked two dates out.
Made the reservations to camp atthis wonderful lake area, and
I've got on my calendar we'regoing this summer, so I'm pretty
(26:54):
excited about that, but we wouldbring our fishing poles and
probably stop at Pine Lake area,and then in Haines junction
itself, there's this littlebakery. You can't miss a bakery
in Hays junction, like it's amust, you just have to go the
garlic cheese sticks. I mean,everything that they have is
absolutely amazing and homemadein a way that Canada is really
(27:18):
impressive about I mean, I livein a very, very small community,
so keep that in mind. Yeah. Sothere's these certain treats
that we look forward to when weleave town and going up in the
Haynes junction area iscompletely a really, really
special, special place. And thenI would be like out of Haynes
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junction and kawani area, likedriving down to Haines itself.
That is where I would do themost wildlife viewing. You will
see bears if you take your time.
I mean, I saw there's a grizzlythat we kept photographing this
year. I made up about threetimes in the summer, and it was
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always in the same area, but,like, you cannot take this road
trip and not see wildlife. It'salmost impossible. I've seen
links and just several otheranimals. I saw a peregrine
falcon and it was carrying arabbit. Like, oh gosh, where am
I? Like, you feel like you're inthis movie, like you're looking
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at in this the backgrounds justcompletely unbelievably
beautiful. And depending on whattime of the year you go, either
the wildflowers are really out,or if it's really early in the
season, the snow cappedmountains, the way that the the
scenic changes up there. Thescenery changes so much. And
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then we call it, of course, theGolden Circle, because in the
fall time, and in the fall,that's in August, it starts, you
know, like, literally, the firstweek of August, sleeps can start
changing colors in the Yukon.
And then you have the mosses andthe lichen on the ground that
are just absolutely stunning.
And the trees are changingcolors. Million dollar falls.
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That's one of my favorite placesto stop. I mean, it's kind of
like this little campground, andit has a hiking trail around it,
and then we actually like towhat you call boondocking. Is
camping in an undesignatedcampground which is totally
legal, and there's a couplespots right outside the million
dollar Falls area that'sabsolutely beautiful, like sandy
(29:26):
beaches, beautiful water whereyou can swim in and though those
are the things that I reallylike to do in that stretch
between white horse and Hanes,
Jennie Flaming (29:38):
yeah, and Reba, can you also just, while you're
while you've got the mic, talk alittle bit about, like, car
cross and kind of the areabetween on that side of the loop
in the Yukon, what are somehighlights over there?
Unknown (29:53):
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
Well, for its we really like,again, camping. There's this
campground. Called Conrad, whichis closer to car cross than it
is to Skagway. So it's, youknow, about an hour outside of
Skagway, up through the pass,and it's on this beautiful lake
and this sheer mountain. I mean,I can't even describe it. It
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reminds me of those Prudentialcommercials they grew up with,
like a rock. But it isabsolutely beautiful. And then
so we like to camp in the Conradarea. And then we make ourselves
to car cross the and usually inthe morning, right away, and we
just get our coffee and have ameal there. And then we like to
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go to the beach in car cross. Ifthere's a big lake, Bennett is
there. And then there also iswhat is deemed the world's
smallest desert. And there arethese sand dunes there that we
like to play on. We brought ourfour wheelers over before, but
you can hike up to the top, andthen you get a view of Lake
Bennet. And Lake Bennett isabsolutely gorgeous. It's, I
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don't remember how many mileslong it's, Oh, it's over 30
miles long, I believe, yeah. Andso you can, you know, it's, as
far as you can see, it's likethis beautiful lake surrounded
by these majestic peaks. Wehaven't got it into mountain
biking yet, but I really wouldlike to do that, because car
cross is really known for itsmountain biking. And I'm a mom.
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I have a 12 year old, and that'swhat we'd like to do, is kind of
just explore. So that'sdefinitely in our list of things
to do,yeah, just to chime in there
real quick. Rebut, like, I canonly speak for sort of the car
cross side the mountain bikingis incredible. Highly recommend
it if you have your 12 year oldexcited about it. Like that
area, the trails are incredible.
Jennie Flaming (31:41):
Yes,
Unknown (31:42):
yeah, I would like to go there and and the visit the
visitor center and all of theseareas, like, if you're not
exactly sure, like, they're sowelcoming and so kind, and
they've got maps of the area,and they can make
recommendations for you, tellyou where to fill up your water
jugs, or where you you knowwhere the best restrooms are. I
had this great experience. Wentin there, and I was saying how
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much we liked going to EmeraldLake, because emerald Lake is,
like this incredible. You wouldeven it doesn't look really
beautiful. It's so beautiful.
And they were like, well, wehave this other lake that's a
little off the beaten path. Ifyou're interested, I could show
you where it is on a map, andI'm forgetting the name of it,
(32:27):
lose Lake. Lose Lake, yes. Andman, there was nobody else
there. It was like, emerald Laketimes 10. And it was absolutely
incredible. We went fishing, welaid in the sun. It was really a
nice, warm summer day, and wejust had the best time in this
new place. Like, there's just somuch to discover in this area.
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It's absolutely stunning. Carcross is one of my favorite
spots to go to. And then when weget back to Whitehorse, like I
was asking my son, I was like,Well, you know, talking about my
dork day today. And he's like, Iasked him what his favorite
thing to do and the trip is. Andhe's like, I like to go to white
horse, to go to the pool. It'slike, this white horse is a big
(33:10):
city to us. You know, there's, Ibelieve it's growing very fast,
35 to 40,000 people there now,and they've got all these
wonderful amenities. And likebeing able to walk on the
riverfront there, and therestaurants, the pool, we go
shopping, like it's this andit's just so friendly. And I
(33:30):
know there is a lot of tensionsbetween our countries right now,
but like, it's just soneighborly. We're all just so
neighbors. We're more neighborsthan anything else. And you
really get that feel up there.
And we just love spending timein Canada, for sure, in all
these areas, but specifically welove and really appreciate all
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that Whitehorse has to offer.
Jennie Flaming (33:53):
Oh yeah, absolutely. I'm just going to
add as another American to loveon Whitehorse, another a couple
of my favorite things to dothere are go to miles Canyon,
which just has really cooltrails. And I actually take
people there. When I'm there onmy tour, we usually go to miles
(34:13):
Canyon, if we have time forthat. It's such a cool little
spot along the Yukon with trailsand stuff. And then I also
really love the like, relativelynew Eclipse hot springs. Yes,
Unknown (34:28):
highly recommend. Yeah, yeah, no, that is
Jennie Flaming (34:31):
not a place I get to go when I'm there on
tour, which is super sad,
Unknown (34:36):
and it's, it's not a it's not for kids, it's an adult
only place as well. So, but itis a beautiful and wonderful
place to go. Those hot springs.
Everything about it isabsolutely amazing. Yeah,
if, if you're looking for somerelaxation, they are a Nordics
bar, so highly recommend thatone. But you are right, like
even the Canada Game Center inthe pool, like, for amenities,
(34:57):
if you get to, you know, leaveSkagway or Haynes behind. Right?
This, this is nice to have, andeven if you want to get your
exercise and while you're on theroad like it's a really
wonderful place with a swimmingpool and gym and everything you
may need. But yeah, I agree, andI think what's so beautiful is
with the Yukon River and withMiles Canyon, if you're into
history at all, and even ifyou're driving from the lower 48
(35:19):
up, there is so much history toto explore and to learn more
about the Gold Rush history andhow it all ties together. And I
just wanted to say thank you toReba too, because it's like a
little bit of a love letter toeach of the other. Yeah. So it
was really lovely to hear that.
Thank you for sharing.
Well, I sincerely mean it very,very, very deeply right now, I
(35:43):
did want to ask you, there's onething I've been meaning to to do
that I haven't that definitelyis on my list is to be able to
take a flight scenic over thekawani, the ice, yeah, yeah,
and then the tombstone area. Ikeep reading about the tombstone
area, and I've never been Ican't even pick it out on a map,
(36:04):
but I've seen photos. Yeah.
So for for everyone listeningright now is the area you're
coming through when you drivethe Golden Circle and Haynes
junction. So that is one areavery popular for scenic flights,
if you want to see the largestnon polar ice field on the
planet and Canada's tallestmountain. So highly recommend
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that there is a few operatorsout of Haines junction and north
of Haines junction at guany Lakethat I can highly recommend just
Google search, and you will findthem with their reviews. But
yeah, Reba for you tombstone. Sofor anyone having a map in front
of them. If you were to go sixhours drive time north of
Whitehorse, you'll hit DawsonCity, the epicenter of the gold
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rush back in the day. And fromthere, you have the option to
drive a gravel road that leadsall the way to the Arctic Ocean
in takti yaktak. And on thatway, you hit up tombstone and
tombstone. Territorial Park is alocal favorite for all of us. So
if you have more time to spareand you're interested in seeing
more of the Yukon, I highlyrecommend it, especially, as
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Reba said during the fall,colors absolutely stunning.
Everything turns orange, yellowand red, and yeah, you can do
scenic flights up there. Sohighly recommend those. You can
probably get a charter out ofWhitehorse, but it will cost you
a little bit more money becauseyou have to get that far north
first, but otherwise, if you getto Dawson City, so like I said,
(37:30):
about a six hour drive north ofWhitehorse, and then from there,
you can book a scenic flight andcheck out the area. And it's
absolutely incredible. I haven'tdone the scenic flight myself,
but the area is incredible,really, like anything in the
Yukon and Alaska, you can't gowrong with with wherever you
decide to dedicate some time toseeing something.
(37:52):
Yeah, sounds like a great sidetrip. I've been to Dawson
before, and I love it. I triedto do the tow shot, I just
couldn't do it.
But I have to admit, shame onme. I am not an official Yukon,
or because I have not put thattoe in against my lips. I have
not got my courage. Maybe, yeah,maybe I'm not a real Yukon, or
(38:13):
after all. But see, you knowsome of you have and highly
recommend it. If you have thecourage and you feel like it,
you get a certificate. So ifthat isn't reward enough, I
think you have to,
Jennie Flaming (38:24):
yeah, I have lost my certificate. And every
No, no, I know, but it was along time ago. I'm there usually
a couple times a year with mytour groups. And yeah, so I
haven't felt so strongly aboutit, that I needed to get another
certificate.
Unknown (38:44):
Well, there's picture approved, right? That's all that
counts. Yeah, yeah.
Jennie Flaming (38:49):
There is, you know, the 90s, so it's like an
old photo, but yes, yes, and
Unknown (38:57):
that's before it was popular. I just like to say
that, you know, like, noweveryone knows about it.
Everyone
Jennie Flaming (39:03):
plays on the toe. Yeah, you know, honestly,
for me, the toe isn't as bad as,like, I'm not good with shots,
so that part was a lot worsethan the toe for me, even when I
was, like, 24 years old. Anyway,um, so I'm gonna just mention a
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couple things before we get tothe Alaska part. Number one,
doing a trip up to Dawson Cityis another great addition onto
this trip that we're talkingabout. We'll do an episode about
that someday, but yeah, somention that. And then the other
thing I want to mention is thatJay and I did an episode that
(39:47):
was about driving the dumpsterhighway and on driving the
Dalton Highway, kind ofcomparing those that Dalton in
Alaska and the dumpster in theYukon and Northwest Territories.
And so go back and listen tothat episode if you want. Hear
more about that drive, which issuper cool, and we did it in
September, and it was amazing.
Oh, stunning. Yeah, it wasstunning. Yeah. Okay, so Vicky.
(40:08):
When you go down to Alaska,Haynes and Skagway area, what
are some of your favorite thingsto do?
Unknown (40:20):
Yes, I'm so excited to share this now, because it feels
like I get to do the payback tomy love letter to to both those
communities, because they havesuch a special place. And
honestly, every person thatlives in the Yukon would adopt
Skagway and hates as honorarymembers. We just love going
there, and everyone is always sowelcoming, like it's just
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wonderful special in the north.
Gosh, there's so much that Ilove to do. But like Reba said,
like every time I go, there'ssomething else I want to I want
to see, or I want to prioritize,some things I've done over and
over again, and others are,like, still new corners that I
try to explore. But on the haneside, for me, first of all,
camping is great, so highlyrecommend that too, if you're
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into that. But otherwise, theAspen suites hotel is really
lovely and new. So for someonethat is looking for a little bit
more comfort, there are reallygreat cabins. I personally love
staying at the gathering place.
They have, like, several rusticcabins. You're a little bit
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outside of Haines, so if youhave your your car with you,
that's a great option. And youoverlook the inlet, and with
some luck, you'll see some sealions and lots and lots of
eagles. Like Haynes is just theplace. If you've never seen a
bald eagle, you will see yourbald eagle in Haynes. Fun fact,
they all migrate there in thewinter months. I know you might
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not visit in November, but ifyou ever find yourself there, I
would highly recommend checkingout the bald eagle festival. I
think Reba, it's November,right? If I get that
correct, correct, it's alwaysthe first weekend in November.
Yeah,yeah. Highly, highly recommend
that, but, and as soon as I getinto Haines, I don't know, for
me, it's the drive crossing theborder and then driving along
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the river, getting into thecommunity, that I just love so
much. And for food, I don't knowwhy. I would love to know how
the locals feel about it, butfor me, bamboo place is the
first place I ever went for fishand chips and Ames and so this
is sort of like the place Ialways have to go back to highly
recommend. It has sort of thisdiner feel to it, and you gotta
(42:28):
eat fish and chips when you'reon the coast. So for us, this is
really important when we come toSkagway or Hames, even though
we're not too far away. But Iwant to eat it sort of as fresh
as it can get. And I love goingto, oh my goodness, Reba, you
have to help me. But your localgrocery store with the little
coffee shop in it, like that'salways, Mount market. Yes. Mount
(42:50):
market, yes. So this is a placeyou have to stop it either it's
a sandwich before you hit theferry. For us, there is a big
event that happens in the summermonths, which is the bike relay.
So you you have groups cyclingfrom Haynes junction to Haines.
And so for all of usparticipants, we spent the night
there, and there's a little golive. And, you know, very
(43:13):
rustic, but everyone loves it.
And for us, anyways, the fuel isto go to the mountain market and
get ourselves a treat once wecomplete our legs. So highly
recommend that. But there reallyis so much. There is the brewery
and the distillery. If you'reinto sort of like the craft
brewery scene, you definitelyhave to check that out. And for
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me, activity wise, I love theocean. Now, unfortunate for me
that I'm sort of land locked onthe Yukon side, but even better
that Haynes and Skagway are sowelcoming. So that's always my
little escape. And there are somany wonderful hikes. So like,
if you're into hiking, Ihonestly recommend that you do
the Battery Point trail. Thatone is really friendly for sort
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of, like, easy to maybe a littlemoderate, like, you need to have
good footing, but the trail isreally good and and then it's
Mount ripinski. I love thathike. Like, if you're in for a
challenge and you have some timeto spare, especially if it is a
clear day, you have to do itlike, the view is absolutely
breathtaking. And you walkthrough sort of like this lush
(44:20):
rain forest coastal area, andwork your way up into the
Alpine. Fun fact, if you do itin the summer months, you find
some blueberries up top. If youknow what they look like.
Otherwise, don't eat them,please. But yeah, highly
recommend that. So those aresort of like some of my top
things to do in Haines. And thentaking the ferry is the best.
But if I don't get to take theferry and I come the other way
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around into Skagway. Skagway,for everyone, again, on the map,
is closer to us driving timewise, from Whitehorse. So this
is sort of like a little bit ofa default for the locals, if
we're trying to get a little bitof an escape from the territory.
And so with two hours, that'ssuper manageable. And for. Me,
Skagway is all about, like,history and culture, and that,
(45:05):
like, little vibrant mix, verydifferent in the summer time
than it is in the winter time.
And honestly, I love both forall the different reasons. But
when I go to Skagway, sort offirst order of business for me
is to check out all the stores,because it's sort of like, it
gives you that big city feel dueto the cruise ships coming. And
there's lots of things that wedon't have in the territory that
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is just fun to check out and getyourself some treats and
souvenirs, honestly, like, youknow, as you know, with cruise
ships, but like, it's just funto get, like, postcards and
little trinkets for family andfriends. If you ever have the
time you have to take the whitepass railway like, I can't
recommend that one enough,especially again, if there is a
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part of your travel group that'sinterested in history. But even
if you're not interested inhistory, and maybe you're a
Harry Potter fan, you know, itgives you Hogwarts train vibes
like highly recommend it. Theviews are so I have not
Jennie Flaming (46:08):
the White Pass railroad before, but it's been
Unknown (46:11):
to the UK, and you want that feel, you know, take the
white pass Come, come to theYukon and Alaska. But I really
love the train ride, and there'sjust so much to learn about the
Gold Rush history, and reallyhow closely connected we've
always been to Alaska for somany different reasons, but
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particularly in that region, asall the people coming for the
Gold Rush came across andbasically went up in a ship,
climbed mountains and try tofind their way to Dawson. So
really recommend that, again,lots of beautiful hikes if
you're looking for sort of likesomething a little challenging,
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upper dewy lake that one willask some energy of you. You have
to bring some good snacks andwater for that one. But again,
rewarding views, absolutelystunning, because you work your
your way from sort of like thecoastal area, through the rain
forest into the Alpine. You'rejust surrounded by mountains
when you go to Haynes andSkagway. And it's just so
(47:15):
humbling to be in that area,kind of like in these valleys
and inlets, very different fromwhat you'll see in the Yukon.
Gosh. What else there's so muchto do, really, like, I know we
touched on it, if you can do itin three days, but hopefully you
have more time than that tospare. I think if there is
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another interest in hiking, youknow, of course we have the
Chilkoot Trail, there has beensome maintenance been done, and
of course, through the years ofthe pandemic, there were some
challenges, because we are stilltwo different nations. But if
it's open at the time of youlistening to this, I highly
recommend looking into that ifyou're really into backpacking
and hiking, to really follow thefootsteps of the people coming
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to the North during the GoldRush, so much history to be seen
and explored. But Skagway isjust, if I had to compare the
two. For me, Haines is sort oflike that outdoor, you know,
small community, cozy vibe,where you like, feel taken away
into your little I, and I don'tmean that in a bad way, but like
(48:21):
your Hallmark movie of like,just, you know, everyone knows
everyone. It's super cozy andoutdoorsy. And then, if I have
skeg way, and I'm talking summerseason now, you have sort of
like that eclectic mix ofdifferent people coming to visit
on a cruise ship and localscoming on the Golden Circle
route or driving down. And it'sjust sort of like very vibrant
(48:44):
mix, super fun people from allover the states that are up
there for the season too, whichis so nice. And yeah, as as you
Coronavirus, we just love goingto both places for all the
different reasons. And yeah, Imentioned the bike relay
earlier. Is one event that wehave. There is a road relay in
the fall months that goes fromSkagway to Whitehorse. If you're
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into running and punishingyourself, you know that might be
something to sign up for, butthere's just so much to do. And
I think the really beautifulthing for anyone visiting is the
relationship that we have witheach other. Like, I don't know
Reba, how you you feel, but it'ssort of like we're just doing
this together, and we just lovesharing the love for where we
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both live. It doesn't matter ifthere's a border basically you
have to cross, other than thefact that you need a passport,
but otherwise it's just, it'sabsolutely stunning. You have to
see it for yourself.
Can I ask you, Victoria, what?
What's your favorite where'syour favorite places to eat in
Skagway?
Oh, my goodness, um, now I feellike this is every U corners
(49:49):
favorite place to eat inSkagway, and you have to correct
me, because I haven't been therein a while, but like, is
Starfire still around?
Oh, they, they, they are. Theyhad. A season or two where they
were not in business, but theyhave a food truck now. So in the
summertime, you can go to a foodtruck, and it is just as good,
if not better, perfect.
(50:09):
Okay, so for everyone listening,then clearly, you know, I'm
overdue for my visit to go tothe food truck, but Starfire,
that is like the default formany of us going, because it is
Thai food, which we don't havein Whitehorse, even though we
might be a metropolis two peoplein Skagway. So go to Starfire
and then, of course, I reallylike the brewery. They have good
(50:29):
pop food there. Again, if you'relooking for fish and chips. I'm
so bad with my names today. Bearwith me here. I'm just cheating
a little bit looking at GoogleMaps. Yes, the Fish Company.
See, I should know that name.
Clearly, you go there to eatfish, but the Skyway Fish
Company is great. So highlyrecommend going there. You have
another really cute coffee shop.
(50:51):
Clearly, I'm blanking today, Iapologize, but that coffee shop
also makes like the mostdelicious London fog. Not sure
that everyone is into that. Buthighly recommend those. They
keep you nice and place yourcoffee shop. Yep, yes, thank
you. This is what we got Rebafor everyone so she can fill in
the blanks that I have. Very,very embarrassing on my part, I
apologize. But really, the goodnews is, Skagway and Haynes are
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very walkable, so even if youdon't know the name, or I don't
know the name, you ask someoneor you'll find it if you give it
five minutes. So that's a reallybeautiful thing too, maybe to
mention in my defense right now,
Jennie Flaming (51:25):
yeah, and you know, Vicky, I'm glad that you
mentioned that, because, youknow, when you were on a road
trip, it's really nice when youhave those times where you can
just park and then just exploreon foot. And both Haynes and
Skagway are great places to be,like, not in the car and just
walking around. And yeah forsure, yeah,
Unknown (51:48):
yeah. Super, super friendly for people walking
Absolutely. Okay,
Jennie Flaming (51:52):
so let's, let's kind of keep, as we kind of move
towards wrapping up here, let'skeep the food theme going. So,
Reba, you got us started byasking about Skagway. Let's move
over to Haynes. Then we canfinish up in white horse and
Vicky. I you know you alreadymentioned a couple favorites.
(52:12):
Any anything else that either ofyou want to specifically call
out for Haynes? I'm going
Unknown (52:19):
to cheat again and quickly pull up maps here. So
bear with me, everyone. I willlet Reba go first.
I think you're probably lookingfor the fireweed as my best
guess.
Yes, but yes,next to the distillery. So
unfortunately, the fireweeditself closed down, but they're
reopening this year with adifferent owner, and they're
going to be called dear heart.
(52:41):
And it's really true to thesense of pains itself, like
they're using a lot of locallyforaged ingredients for their
menu, which I think will changequite often. So you're going to
just have to google dear heart,D, E, R, and as, like, actually
(53:03):
a plant, yeah,
Jennie Flaming (53:04):
spelled like the animal named after a plant.
Unknown (53:07):
Correct, exactly. So it's exciting that we're going
to have a new restaurant openhere, and then also the local
tribe that they're opening up arestaurant on the pier, which
will be down there if you'rehere in Haines on the
waterfront, there's a large dockand then a smaller dock. The
(53:28):
smaller dock is owned by ourtry, the Chilkoot Indian
Association, and they run a foottraffic shuttle between Skagway
and Haynes in the summertimeonly. So you can't take your
vehicle on it, but you can takea nice day trip between the two
communities, if that's whatyou'd like to do. But they're
also going to be opening up arestaurant this summer on the
(53:48):
pier, and that location isbeautiful, so I'm super excited
to see what they do with that.
But yeah, fish and chips,there's a couple restaurants
that do it here, and everysingle one of them, they're just
really good because you're usinglocal halibut. And as an
Alaskan, I just halibut. It's myfavorite dish. It's so good.
It's everything about it is sogood. So wherever, wherever
(54:11):
you're eating at here insoutheast Alaska, definitely
recommend getting halibut orsalmon, but I like halibut, and
Lincoln is great too. You haveyour link caught there, but
halibut is my all time favorite.
I agree.
Jennie Flaming (54:23):
Yeah. Okay, that sounds awesome. So let's finish
up. This is making me extremelyhungry at this point in the
podcast, when we start divinginto food. All right, let's
finish up with white horse. Whatare some of both of your
favorite places to eat, inWhitehorse.
Unknown (54:43):
Oh, that's a good question. I don't Reba, would
you like to go first? Or shall Igo first? What do you prefer?
I'llgo first, but you're going to
have to help me with the name.
Yes, I will. I love Mexicanfood. And there's two places
there that I like, the iconicone, Sanchez, Cantina. Yeah,
yes, thank you. That is so good,made from scratch. I mean, it is
(55:06):
awesome. It's one of my favoriteplaces to eat in Whitehorse. And
then the other one we tried.
It's connected to a glassbowling place. Oh, we I think
it's rarely, fairly new. Only isthat is, is it compadres
burritos? I don't know thatthey're next to the bowling
alley, though. Maybe they move.
Let me see, I'm sorry, not thebowling alley, the glass
(55:27):
blowing. It's connected to aCOVID. Gather,
sorry, sorry. Gather, yes, yes,gather, amazing.
Oh my gosh, it was so good. Andit's not just Mexican, it's like
this infusion. And anything youorder there is absolutely
amazing. And then I like to getIndian food to there. And then,
honestly, it sounds funny, butpeople like us to bring Tim bits
(55:50):
back, don't it? Yes. And thenalso people like us to bring
Kentucky Fried Chicken back.
Sounds funny, but we areliterally in the middle of
nowhere, so any kind of chainrestaurant is even sought after
a little bit for a lot of peoplehere,
you need your chain food. Phil,occasionally there's nothing
wrong with that
Jennie Flaming (56:10):
you Tim. Tim Hortons is, is just the best.
Yes,
Unknown (56:15):
yes, it is. We're very proud of it. I know you are, and
I
Jennie Flaming (56:18):
love that. I love that about Canada. Yeah, I
know Tim
Unknown (56:22):
Hortons is just an institution to us. So for anyone
that hasn't been to Canada, youshould really go to Tim Hortons
and order Tim bits to experienceit. Oh, man, those are good
choices that's going to be hardto follow up with. Maybe I'm
going to start with sort of likethe craft brewery scene, because
that's maybe somethinginteresting to some listeners.
(56:43):
So we have just like skating.
They have their breweries too,but we do have Yukon brewing,
and they've been around thelongest, so highly recommend
checking them out. They havetheir little taste room, so you
should go there if you'reinterested in beer. But we have
winter long brewing. They are upat the local ski hill, but sold
in our local liquor stores aswell. And then one place that
(57:04):
really popular, so if you'resort of like looking for a nice
cocktail or beers, iswoodcutters blanket. So I can
highly recommend that, sort oflike for for some you know,
appies and drinks as onelocation gather is so hard to
follow up on. Gather isdelicious, but we also have now
relatively new Big Bear eateryand tap house, and they're
(57:29):
really well known for theirdonaires. So if you are in the
market for donair, you have tostop there. That one is really
popular if I'm getting myself atreat for the road, and it's not
important, I like stopping atbaked that's on Main Street.
Again, Main Street is verywalkable too, but they have
great sort of coffees and teasand delicious scones and
(57:51):
pastries. So that's the placeyou want to hit up. There's so
much. What else do I really loveMaybe a well kept secret is, and
it's not in downtown Whitehorse,but if you have your car with
you, and you're headed down thehighway towards saints junction,
there is a subdivision calledPorter Creek, and they have
whiskey jacks, and they haveamazing wings. And Wednesday is
(58:14):
wing night. So if you findyourself in Whitehorse on a
Wednesday, highly recommendhaving wings there.
Jennie Flaming (58:22):
Love it. Okay, I'm going to add one place that
neither of you mentioned that Ireally love, in Whitehorse,
which is burnt the burnt toastcafe. Yes,
Unknown (58:34):
yes. And I guess in in, in next to it is the Klondike
grip and salmon. And so I thinkfor anyone visiting the Yukon
for the very first time, burnttoast and the claw neck grip and
salmon are sort of like a legacyup here. They have the change in
ownership as well, but they arein this old historic building,
and both both like deliciousfood, so highly recommended. But
(58:58):
burn toast is delicious too. Ihaven't been there in a while,
so maybe that's my inspirationfor today. Yeah.
Jennie Flaming (59:03):
Also, I believe that burnt toast is only open
for breakfast and lunch. Yes,don't think they're open in the
evening.
Unknown (59:11):
That's correct. Yeah, great spot. Yeah, wonderful.
Then you just move over to thequantitative grip and salmon for
dinner, because that's exactly
Jennie Flaming (59:17):
you just make two more minutes away. Yes,
exactly, exactly. Well, Reba andVicky, thank you so much for
joining me today for this superfun episode and sharing all this
international love. Thank you somuch.
Unknown (59:34):
Thank you so much for having me. This was a blast. I
know Reba is already familiarwith this, but as a first timer,
thank you so much for the loveand the warm welcome and it's
it's been so fun to share myhome with everyone listening. I
hope you all come visit.
Yeah, thank thank you bothladies. This means a lot to us
right now. I mean, it's reallyhard not to feel the fracture
(59:57):
that's happening on the nationallevel. And this just really
solidifies for me how much weare neighbors and how much
positive there is, and if we canjust keep that going, that's
that is really important to thecommunity of Hanes, and I do
feel comfortable speaking forall of us, that we love our
neighbors and we hope thateverything gets settled here in
the near future, because we weappreciate it, and we rely on
(01:00:22):
you, and you're very importantto us, and
you are very important to us,doesn't matter how small you're
part of the honorary Yukonfamily. So we would love nothing
more than to see things get alittle bit better. And we hope
that everyone that local or notlocal, chooses to come visit
because we know this isimportant to you.
Jennie Flaming (01:00:43):
Well, thank you again, both of you. Thanks to
all of you out there forlistening, and from All of us
honorary and yukoners, bye fornow. You.
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