February 11, 2024 • 39 mins
Embark with us on an extraordinary odyssey beneath the Earth's surface, where the myth of Agartha beckons, and where enigmatic polar explorations hint at worlds undiscovered. We traverse the layers of ancient beliefs and geological wonders, entertaining the possibility of hidden civilizations and UFO encounters that have long captured the human imagination. From the fiery core to fabled subterranean kingdoms, our latest episode promises to unlock the secrets of our planet's depths, blending history, myth, and science into a narrative as compelling as it is controversial.
Venture into the chilling realms of Antarctica, where tales of covert Nazi and Amercian military World War II expeditions High stir the pot of mystery surrounding our Earth's polar enigmas. We probe the icy whispers of polar openings and the allure they held for historical figures, who dared to dream of a hollow Earth, spinning tales of inner suns and prehistoric worlds within. The episode examines how these enduring legends have been fueled by literature, like that of Jules Verne, and strengthened by connections to ancient cultures and religious texts.
In a captivating turn, we scrutinize the dark corridors of an underground base in Dulce, New Mexico delving into whistleblower Philip Snyder's alarming claims of alien-human hybrids and subterranean skirmishes. Join us for a podcast experience that transcends the mundane where every turn might reveal a deeper truth about the world we thought we knew.
https://www.discovery.com/exploration/Secret-Underground-Alien-Base-Dulce-New-Mexico
https://www.gaia.com/article/hollow-earth-theory-is-the-subterranean-civilization-of-agartha-real?
https://www.historicmysteries.com/myths-legends/agartha/29509/
https://www.hollowearthresearch.org/admiral-byrd-and-the-hollow-earth
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Joe (00:02):
Hello everybody, thank you for joining us on Alien Talk
Podcast.
This is the show where wediscuss all things about aliens
and UFOs and, as always, wherewe push the limits of
understanding.
We are your inquisitive andtruth-seeking hosts, Joe Landry
and Laurie Oldford, and weappreciate all of you tuning in
for another great episode.
Is the Earth hollow?
As a little kid, I used tothink it was, and apparently
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there were other people in theancient world who thought so as
well.
The bigger question, Laurie, isif it was hollow, what or who
would be inside of it?
Laurie (00:35):
Yeah, and, of course, J oe.
When we were kids, we believed,or we were even told by some
adults, that Hell was inside theEarth.
We were taught to think thatthe Devil and all of his demonic
horde of minions reside deepunder the ground.
So, before we delve into thistopic today, we want to
apologize for not having ourscheduled guest appear on the
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program, as we previously hadannounced.
There was a last-minute changethat came up and we were not
able to record with her, sounfortunately, these things do
happen.
Joe (01:07):
Indeed, they do.
It's just a fact of life thatnot all guests, nor all podcasts
are a good fit with one another.
We regret to say that, but youjust have to press on when that
happens.
So that is what we're going todo, and so we bring you our
topic for today, which is thelegend of the hollow Earth,
known in relation to Greek,chinese, nordic and Germanic
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mythology as a kingdom that issituated inside the Earth called
Agartha.
Laurie (01:33):
Right, and this tale of Agartha was pretty much unheard
of in recent times until GerardEncausse republished an 1886
story that was initially put outby a French occultist named
Aléxandre Saint- Yevesd'Alveydre.
It was called Mission de l'Indeen Europe and then, after
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World War I, German occults likethat of the Thule Society began
showing interest in themythical Agartha, which, as you
said, is related to more ancientstories.
Joe (02:08):
Now we all know through modern geology that the Earth is
not hollow like some Fabergéegg.
There is a crust of solid rockcomprised mostly of silicon,
carbon and metallic oxidecompounds, aka rocks and
minerals, and that extends forabout 25 miles, which is a layer
called the lithosphere, untilit reaches the plastic
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asthenosphere, and that is alayer of crust where the heat
keeps the rock in a gooey andpliable state, sort of like
semi-molten, and that's aboutanother 25 miles.
And then below that is themantle made of molten minerals
and metals and that is about1,800 miles thick.
And then there is the outercore of liquid nickel and cobalt
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surrounding the inner core ofsolid nickel and cobalt.
So, you might be wondering howscientists know this if no one
has been down there to see it.
Well, they only know it fromindirect evidence.
You know measurements andobservations made through the
study of volcanism, seismography, plate tectonics, geomagnetism,
gravitation and the compositionof minerals.
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But is there direct evidence?
Well, not much, but I rememberless than 20% of the bottom of
the oceans have ever been seenat all.
That according to an article inNational Geographic Magazine
which is dated January 21, 2011.
And that's because people can'tgo there to look at it, buster
is so much of it.
So, in the same way, what isbelow the crust of the earth has
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not been seen.
Laurie (03:38):
So is there any proof that the inside of the earth
could be able to sustain lifewith an atmosphere rich in
oxygen?
And from the model you justdescribed, it is, it would seem,
pretty unlikely, right?
But the thought that it couldexist goes back quite a way,
with all of the ancient andmedieval models of the universe
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placing in a best that existsbelow the world and where
unusual beings live, some thatare like strange animal species
and some that are humanoid inappearance.
And there are many people whobelieve that our planet was and
is hollow and that an ancientsociety thrived inside of it.
According to a diary journalkept by American Admiral Richard
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Byrd, who is credited withbeing one of the first guys to
have reached both the North andSouth Poles, there are details
logged about him discovering alarge subterranean chasm in
Antarctica in which there werehuge trees and other tropical
flora, mammoth looking animalsand an ancient yet very
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sophisticated race of humans.
After the completion of his 1926flight over the North Pole,
Byrd expounded in his journalabout the preparation for the
possibility of hostile planescoming from the polar regions,
based on his own experience,where his expedition came under
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attack by UFOs and USOs, andmany think that these are the
flying saucers he observed,possibly coming from a
passageway near the South Polethat leads to Agartha.
Now, in his 1922 book Beasts,men and Gods, the Polish
explorer Ferdinand Ossenendowskiwrote of a story about such a
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subterranean kingdom inside theEarth, and according to him,
this kingdom is also knownthrough Buddhism as a mythical
and legendary society calledAgarthi.
Theosophists believed thatAgartha to be a large area of
sophisticated caverns that arebelow Tibet and are occupied by
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demigods referred to as theasuras.
They were referred to asdemigods for a reason, and that
was because they possessedtechnology much more advanced
than the ordinary people.
Joe (06:03):
And Agartha is also associated with the legendary
place called Shangri-La.
We've all heard of that, andit's really just a derivation of
a similar imagery, which is howone of the entrances is
believed to be in the Tibetanmountains.
Shangri-la and Agartha, and itgives it a lot of Eastern
mystical appeal.
So, these names are what youmight call made up, but they are
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based on mythical and literaryconstructs that go back
thousands of years regardingthis idea of a world existing
beneath ours.
So actually, the name Agartha,as well as Shangri-La are made
up from occultists and isoterics.
In fairly recent times, likeyou mentioned, laurie and Casa
and Delvedre wrote about a placecalled Agartha, and it seemed
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to be based on much older mythsof places that had already been
around, namely Vahalla inNordic/ Scandinavian lore and
Shambala from Tantric Buddhism,and these depict a state of
enlightenment that isexperienced either through
transcendental meditation orelse in a glorious afterlife.
However, within thesetraditions, as well as others,
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is the idea that another realmexists far below our ground.
Laurie (07:17):
Well, going back to Admiral Byrd, his claim gets
even more strange.
He later, in his journal,mentioned that the airplane he
was flying came under control ofthose sophisticated race of
humans that he was talking about, and he said they did so with
the use of saucer-shaped craftthat forced him to land.
Then he said that he met thesehuman-like beings, human-like
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meaning, not exactly likehuman-like, like us and that
they were from Agartha, underthe Earth.
The thing is, Byrd was a navalcommander and followed the
orders of his superiors if theytold him not to go public with
these accounts, or they told himnot to go public with those
accounts, and strangely enough,before his life was over, he
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never came out and admitted thatthe journal entry was fake.
He died, he never recanting hisstory, either publicly or
privately.
And that is also a very commontheme with the phenomenon of
encounters, and that is thatpeople who experienced them
swear throughout their lives,even up to death, that they are
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or were real encounters.
Joe (08:28):
Indeed, and that is the case with many of them, there is
no doubt in their minds aboutwhat they experienced, whatever
it may be.
Now, actually, the Norwegianexplorer Roald Amundsen reached
the South Pole in 1911.
And he did so without doing anyflying.
It was a completely groundexpedition, and he did not ever
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provide a report about any kindof strange activity, although he
did nearly die from hisexpedition, and he just did not
keep a good record in terms ofwhat he encountered.
It was really just the basicstuff of weather conditions and
distance traveled.
So, it's not really well knownthat Amundsen encountered
anything about Agartha atAntarctica.
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But, Byrd certainly did, and hewent on to say in his journal
that the inhabitants from therediscussed to him their concerns
about the use of atomic bombsand wanted him to be their
spokesperson to the governmentsof the world, advising them of
these concerns.
Now, maybe it was because Byrdwas a proponent of, or was not a
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proponent.
He was not a big proponent ofnuclear weapons and nuclear
warfare and maybe he wanted tolog this in his journal about a
civilization that is moreadvanced than us and that it was
showing their dismay about that.
It could be that he had his ownpersonal agenda for saying this
, so we don't know and this iskind of a theme with such
encounters, right that we havethis message given to a
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spokesman who tell the world,warning all humanity about our
geopolitical state of affairs.
Laurie (10:06):
Yeah, and I mean we brought that up in our last
episode about the Zimbabwe UFOcontact, where these alien
beings told they weren'tpolitical officials, but they
were kids.
But they pretty much gave themthe same message, remember about
how there's going to be like apop elliptic ending to the world
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and how we're damaging theEarth and all of that sort of
thing.
Joe (10:32):
Right, and then I guess climate change was sort of the
theme.
So again, it's an ideology thatseems to be coming across, one
that we've talked about ashumans, and, lo and behold, the
alien race is talking about thesame thing.
Laurie (10:48):
Yeah, and it would make sense, I guess, for them to be
concerned about what humans aredoing and some esoteric
teachings Tibetan Buddhism thereare said to be highly
intelligent and enlightenedbeings called the Nagas that
come from underground and aregreatly susceptible to the
suffering caused by humans andtheir carelessness towards the
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earth.
The Nagas are believed to bedivine or partly divine.
Actually, they're supposed tobe a race of half human, half
serpent beings who are from theunderworld and sometimes take on
human form.
I guess you can say it's like asuperpower of theirs, much like
Mystique and "The X-Men, right?
Yeah, usually in three formshumans with snakes on their
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heads, as serpents or as halfhuman, half snake.
Joe (11:39):
I mean they may be the reptilians and they do sound
reptilian.
So this whole idea of a wholeearth, habitat and civilization
was actually pretty tantalizingto the people in the Victorian
era.
Remember that whole theosophyschool with its esoteric figures
like Edward Cayce and HelenaBlavatsky, the Thule Society,
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the Aquarian BrotherhoodFoundation with that figure
known as Brother 12, all of thatit was really big in the late
19th century and early 20thcentury when there was something
like an occult revival and thatwas within the context of an
even bigger spiritual revivalgoing on around the world and
included a lot of religiousmovements even within
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Christianity.
We've heard of the GreatAwakening and this invigorating
desire to obtain apocryphalknowledge of things like Agartha
was part of that spiritualmovement, that religious
movement.
So you know, one of my favoriteauthors when I was growing up
was the French writer, JulesVerne.
I love to read the stories Fromthe Earth to the Moon, 20,000
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Leagues Under the Sea and ofcourse his novel Journey to the
Center of the Earth, and thesewere written in that time period
, the late 19th century, and tono surprise they were very
popular.
So, in the novel Journey to theCenter of the Earth, Verne
entertains the Agartha myth,even though he doesn't mention
the name Agartha, and he does soby describing how these
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characters in the story.
On the surface, they traveldeep down into a vascasm and
find a world full of strange andwondrous creatures and plant
life, and that were all the wayback to the age of the dinosaurs
.
So, it's like the prehistoric,Jurassic period was preserved in
the center of the Earth.
Laurie (13:32):
Well, it is a really good story, by the way.
And well, according to anarticle on Gaiacom dated
November 15, 2019, titled,All-Earth Theory is the
Subterranean Civilization ofAgatha Real.
In nearly every ancient culture, there are allusions to the
inner realms of the Earth, as,along with beliefs that there
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are people dwelling in them.
We are familiar with some fromnone other than religious dogma,
as we said earlier, how it iscommonly believed that hell and
purgatory are located in thecenter of the Earth, where there
are the, you know, the deviland all the people in damnation.
This imagery has been prettypowerfully ingrained in our
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psyches since childhood and it'ssomething that has been passed
on from generation to generation.
Joe (14:27):
Well, oddly enough, Edmund Haley, the astronomer who
discovered Haley's comet, backin the 17th century, proposed
that the Earth is hollow andthat it is comprised of
concentric shells isolated fromeach other by their own
individual atmospheres.
He sort of depicted it as likethose Russian nesting dolls
where one fits inside the other.
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Instead of one very largecavern, there are several of
them, one layer after the other,and Haley presented this idea
to the Royal Society of Londonin 1692, on the basis of
magnetic field readings that hemade, even with his primitive
techniques back then, as well ashis knowledge of the
gravitational pull of the Sunand the Earth, the Sun and the
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Moon on the Earth.
And according to him, thesemultiple layers of worlds were
even separated by theseatmospheres and got their light
from, I guess, geoluminescence,which are like glowing rocks, or
heat from the center core.
But there were others at thetime scientific thinkers who
pictured a similar hypothesis ora much simpler one, and that is
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a hollow Earth with one singlevast large cavern like a big
hollow ball, and based on thisidea, the Earth had another Sun
that was hanging in its centerthat would provide light and
warmth and nourishment to a lush, habitable environment,
complete with large cities,farmlands, forests, mountains
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and oceans, just like on thesurface.
And there was also an officer, aU.
S.
Army officer named Captain JohnCleave Symmes Jr, who in 1818
declared in an officialmemorandum that the Earth was
undoubtedly hollow.
He sent this to his chain ofcommand and he also sought funds
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for an expedition to the NorthPole, where he expected to be
able to find this large aperturethat could access the hollow
Earth, and he thought it wouldhave been thousands of miles
across and would gradually takeyou down into the center as you
traveled further into thatnorthbound direction.
And Symmes also succeeded ingetting Congress to vote on the
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funding for this expedition.
They actually approved it.
However, Symmes died beforeanything came of it and
enthusiasm for the whole venturedwindled shortly after the
election of President AndrewJackson back in the 1820s.
Laurie (16:48):
Now it's interesting that you bring up this idea
about a large opening at theNorth Pole.
We know that the Arctic and theNorth Pole are packed with ice,
and so there are many holesthat lead to the Arctic Ocean
beneath it, but Antarctica andthe South Pole are on a land
mass, and there are storiesabout military aircraft flying
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over the South Pole where thecrews claim to have seen a large
opening in the packed ice notfar from it.
It was supposedly extremelylarge, like miles across, and
according to the websiteexo-politicsorg, it was seen
numerous times throughout the80s and the 90s.
Some of those crew members wereinterviewed and with their
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identities concealed, and theytold of how they were ordered
not to speak about the largehole, as well as some of the
other things that they had seen,such as large saucer-shaped
graph hovering nearby.
At one point, one of the pilotswas told to never again fly
into that specific region ofAntarctica, and this is
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reminiscent of the entry inAdmiral Byrd's journal about his
airplane coming under controlof such craft.
Joe (18:01):
We have to wonder if this is related to what happened on a
later mission to Antarcticalater after Byrd's expedition,
considered the top-secretOperation High Jump, which was a
massive expedition toAntarctica after World War II,
and it included more than 4,000men who were selected to go and
live there for eight months andstudy and map the place out, and
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this operation involved also atotal of 13 Navy support ships,
as well as an aircraft carrierand all the support helicopters
and flying boats and anentourage of other traditional
aircraft that were land-basedaircraft, not sea planes.
So, why didn't something likethis size happen so quickly?
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And it didn't end there.
There was yet anotherundertaking eight years later in
the 50s, and that was termedOperation Deep Freeze.
Byrd was part of that one, andthat was meant to help establish
a permanent U.
S.
presence in Antarctica and atthe South Pole, as there were
other nations doing the samething, and much of this was for
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scientific purposes, as it wassaid in publicized mission
statements that there has alwaysbeen rumors of entailing
something more.
Laurie (19:17):
Well, even Hitler believed that Agartha was a
place that existed.
There are Nazi maps containingthe directions of how to locate
it.
There is an account thatHeinrich Himmler had come across
a letter from a U-boatnavigator in Karl Unger who
claimed his crew had found itsway to Agartha and that the
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earth is indeed hollow.
There may not be evidence thatproves this, but there is enough
to show that the Nazis investedquite a bit of time and
resources trying to find Agartha.
This, according to an articleby Gaia.
C Gaiacom, was to have as a lastresort for Hitler to escape in
case of a dire emergency and alast-ditch effort to save
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himself.
Actually, the most commondiagram of Argatha that we have
to this day was drawn by aGerman scientist back in 1935.
Joe (20:13):
I think you can find those on the internet.
Google Agartha, it will come upas one of the images.
It's a pretty decent diagramdating back to 1935.
This shouldn't be toosurprising, as we know that
Adolf Hitler and the Nazisoversaw something known as the
Abernabe, which, for lack ofbetter words, was a deep-rooted
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occult program.
It was straight from the GermanHigh Command and involved the
SS.
For that matter, They also hadsecret expeditions and research
projects in the Himalayas, whichthey thought might be another
part of the world where apassageway to Agartha could be
found.
This part of the Nazi occultismwas centered not only in their
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belief in the existence of theAryan race, but also in finding
it, at least its remnants.
So Agartha to them was the landof the Aryans, and Hitler was
obsessed with finding proof ofit.
This cosmology was communicatedand understood by the Biblical
writers, for instance the modelwe have prevalent in the Hebrews
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.
But there existed a firmamentabove the earth and a deep abyss
lying below it.
That water surroundedeverything.
Any idea of a spherical earthin ancient times didn't seem to
come around until sometime ofthe Greek thinkers like Euclid
and Ptolemy and Eratosthenes,and so we have to wonder how the
story of the Great Flood mightpertain to Agartha, so perhaps
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many have pondered why it iswritten in the book of Genesis,
where it describes how watercovers the whole planet during
the flood, even covering thehighest mountains, which I guess
would be implying Mount Everestby more than 20 feet.
This is according to chapter 7,verse 20.
And it also talks about thefountains of the deep breaking
forth and the floodgates of theheavens being opened.
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So, the question is, Laurie,where did all of that water come
from?
Aside enough to raise the sealevel by more than six miles
around the globe from where itcurrently is situated and that's
a lot of water, that's afathomable amount of water and
also where it all goesafterwards.
So, according to a finding byBrookhaven National Laboratory
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in Illinois, as well asresearchers at the University of
New Mexico, there ispotentially water present deep
within the Earth's mantle, about400 miles thick.
Based on their calculations,there is more water there,
estimated, than all the oceansby a factor of four.
So, four times all the waterthat is in the oceans and in the
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outer mantle.
That's a lot.
This is according to an articleat BNL.
G bnlgov dated June 14, 2014.
And these molecules of waterare supposedly locked within the
crystalline lattice bonds of amineral called ringwoodite and
ringwoodite, which is deep inthe Earth and under extreme heat
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and pressure it acts like a bigsponge that holds the water.
So, it's not like there are bigpools of it sloshing around.
At least scientists don't thinkso.
They're not completely sure.
We know that there arereservoirs in the ground that
hold a considerable amount ofliquid water, but they're not as
far down as the mantle.
Laurie (23:27):
Yeah, well, if that is true, then the reference to an
abyss filled with water may notbe that far off, with those
ancient models that illustratethis.
As well as the firmament, wefind the references to places
like Hades and Hell, or Sheol asit is called in the Hebrew
scriptures.
While this is mostlyallegorical and religious, in
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context it provides us a goodidea of how ancient peoples
understood the earth, which waslike it was inside, something
like one of those snow globeshaker things.
There is the mention of thewindows of heaven holding in the
waters.
Above, sometimes called theexpanse, that is the firmament,
and over it is the heavenly seatwhere God sits.
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Likewise, below the ground, butabove the abyss, is Sheol, or
Hades, the abode of the dead.
This imagery that the Biblegives us shows that people
believed in an inner earth realmthat held souls or bodies, or
perhaps even both.
Joe (24:29):
Yeah, and while this epistemological model may not be
accurate, it does show thatthere was some understanding
about the hydrology of theplanet, namely that there is
more water than we can see.
I've seen some pretty decentdiagrams to illustrate this,
with a flat terra ground upheldby pillars that have fountains
going down to the waters belowin the abyss which connect to
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the oceans.
So this idea of water in themantle is not exactly direct
parallel to this, but theconcept is similar.
And then, of course, you havethe firmament above it, which
holds the water, and beyond thatis the sun, moon and planets
and stars, and the firmamentencapsulates everything below it
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, namely the ground, the earththat people live in.
So in the present day model wehave the inner structure and
composition of the earth, whichhas been around since the early
20th century.
It's probably pretty close tobeing spot on.
We can see a good bit ofevidence that supports the
notion that it gets really hotwhen we reach a certain depth
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and that there is molten rockdown there, you know, magma and
lava and that there aretremendous pressures involved
with plate tectonics and rocklayer formation.
Even though, literally speaking, we've never bored down far
enough to reach the mantle.
We can still see signs of it,so it would seem that life
cannot survive being down there.
However, that is not to saythat there aren't large,
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conneverous pockets of emptyspace that are not all the way
down in the mantle, but arewithin the lithosphere.
And the inside of the earthdoesn't have to be completely
hollow, even though some storiessay it is, but it can be
dabbled with hollow spaces, inparticular regions like under
the Himalayas or Iceland, orAntarctica, or even the Bermuda
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Triangle.
Laurie (26:18):
But there are some cultures that talk about Agartha
as a place where actual citiesexist and that it is accessed
through certain passagewayslocated throughout the world,
like you mentioned before, Joe,how in Tibetan Buddhism there is
a mystical and placid realmcalled Shambhala that is
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reachable somewhere in theHimalayan mountains.
That is believed by some to beassociated with Agartha.
Hinduism has a tale of a lostAntediluvian city with caves and
underground entrances, and somepeople have associated it with
the land of Aryavarta or a boatof the excellent ones, which
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would mean that it's a landruled by a super race that
existed for thousands of yearswith advanced technology.
That's most likely what Hitlerwas referring to when he
believed that whites orCaucasians are descendants of
the Aryan race, a super race.
Joe (27:20):
Even before the war described in the Maribartha,
some were believing this ancientrace to be descendants of
Atlantis, lemuria and Mu, whichwere destroyed via war and other
circumstances that sent theminto the caverns deep within the
earth where, eventually,argartha may have been
established before that, anddon't forget Hyperborea, which
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is another civilization locatedin the far northern part of the
earth, and it is said by theancient Greeks to be a place
where people who had never beenseen had dwelt in a warm and
sunny climate, despite beingnear or above the Arctic Circle.
And by the Middle Ages, the termHyperborean came to tide with
the belief that there is a placecalled the end of the earth.
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It became synonymous with thephrase "end of the earth.
So, yes, mythology is filledwith stories of fantastic places
whose exact locations are notknown, such as Avalon and the
legends of King Arthur and highBrazil and Celtic and Gaelic war
and the city of El Dorado,sought after by the Spaniards
when they arrived in MesoAmerica.
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And likewise, what happened toall of these places?
It is not exactly known.
They simply disappeared, becameerased.
Laurie (28:36):
And that, of course, makes us wonder where they
disappear to.
There is another placedocumented in the Mahabharata
known as Patala, so it issimilar in description to a
place inside the earth.
However, Patala is supposedlyruled by those beings known as
the Nagas, and they are at warwith Agatha.
They are depicted in Hindu andBuddhist illustrations as
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looking half human and halfreptilian.
They also are referred to as ahighly advanced race with great
technology and that sometimesthey kill and torture humans.
And in Sanskrit the word forNaga is a snake, and there are
several words for snake ingeneral.
One of the mostly used is Sarpa, close to serpent.
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In Indo-European etymology theyare referred to as hairless,
naked animals, related to theEnglish word naked.
Joe (29:28):
And there is somewhat of a connection with what you just
described there with the Bible.
If you remember, after Adam andEve listened to the serpent,
they noticed her nakedness.
Now, this could not be literal.
This could be an analogy, thiscould be an allegorical
component explaining how humanDNA had been mixed with
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something else.
So, compared to other mammals,humans are hairless.
We are uniquely different inthat way, and that we have no
fur.
We have hair, most of us havesome hair, but we're not going
to believe that monkeys and dogsand cats and all the other
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animals of the they're out there, the mammals of the animal
kingdom.
We have much less hair thanthey do.
So this kind of plays on thatidea that, hey, we realize we're
different from the othermammals.
Laurie (30:24):
Yeah, by quite a bit.
So being naked is like ametaphor for almost sapiens
coming separate from the rest ofthe primates then Right.
Joe (30:34):
So, the question becomes do these tales and legends of
Agartha in a subterranean worldsuggest a presence of, say,
extraterrestrial operations thatare clandestinely taking place
to bring all this about likewe're talking about?
A couple of years ago wementioned how the reports of
USOs underwater submersibleobjects were appearing in many
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different parts of the ocean andthat they could have something
to do with an alien underseabase or multiple bases.
And if there were parts of theEarth's crust that are hollow it
doesn't have to be the wholeEarth is hollow but if there are
places where there are hugespaces, chasms and caverns,
perhaps hundreds or thousands ofmiles large in length or width,
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then could alien bases belocated within those large
chasms.
And in reference to thosepassageways or tunnels that are
believed to lead to Agartha, wefind that some are underwater,
like the Bermuda Triangle.
But there's also belief thatthere are places around the
world where there are a highnumber of UFO sightings reported
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sightings in some of themountain regions.
Laurie (31:43):
Yeah, and, like you said earlier, we have not been down
there so we don't know Likeunderneath the Bermuda Triangle,
underneath the bottom of thesea floor, there may be bases
underneath that we just don'tknow.
According to an article by JoniFolletto on Discovery.
C Discoverycom, titled"Allegedly, there is a secret
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underground alien base in Dulce,New Mexico, dated August 1,
2019.
There is an underground basewhere you will find human,
animal and human alien hybrids.
It's also known as a place thathas advanced technology and was
reported to have an alienbattle with human soldiers where
60 personnel lost their lives.
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And we spoke about thisgentleman before, named Philip
Snyder.
He's a former explosiveengineer, brought this whole
thing to light, even when he hadtop secret clearance, much like
Bob Lazar, but he came forwardand spelt it all, like he spelt
the beans on everything,including the alien battles and
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the ongoing war with this lipidtype or reptilian type beings,
and he also claimed to haveworked on the construction of
the secret underground base in1979.
Well, Folletto continues in thearticle that there were some
disturbing reports from aroundthe area by police officers, and
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one of the reports was from astate trooper named Valdes, who
claimed in interviews that hewitnessed black, silent,
sophisticated spacecraft andwent as far as to say that he
discovered a fetus inside a deadcow from one of those cattle
mutilation callouts.
But it wasn't a calf fetus.
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It according to him.
His quote was that it lookedlike a human, a monkey and a
frog.
It didn't have any bones in thehead, it was all full of water.
And there was also a physicistwith a PhD named Paul Benowitz
who was certain that there wasextraterrestrial involvement
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going on in that area and he waspicking up radio signals near
Dulce, which was too small of atown to receive these kinds of
messages and believed them to becoming from underground and
going toward a target high up inthe sky.
And I think the basic pointwith our gartha and any living
presence inside the earth isthat we don't know for sure what
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all is down there and we have agood idea, not perfect
knowledge.
Just as we realize that most ofthe ocean has been explored,
and certainly the moon and theother planets, we also realize
that we haven't seen what alwaysdeep under our feet.
Joe (34:26):
So, the mysteries below the surface of the Earth as great
and as comparable as those thatare above it.
As you know, what we wonderabout life, you know out among
the stars and the search forIntelligence out there, and it
also may be applied to thewonder of life and intelligence
below our feet, inside the Earth.
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It could, you know, be what isabove be the same as what is
below.
And as always, you, theaudience, must decide, and that
will wrap it for today.
As it is Super Bowl Sunday inthe U.
S.
and for anyone watching the bigNFL game, we hope your team
wins.
I can't even say who I'm goingfor, quite honestly.
Laurie (35:07):
Yeah, I mean either I was rooting for the Ravens, but
that didn't work out to well.
So, anyway, I I still likewatching it.
It's a good time with thefamily and stuff and good food.
Joe (35:18):
Yeah, and I was rooting for the Lions, so neither one of us
got a wish.
And also something noteyesterday was Chinese New Year,
which is the Lunar New Year, andsomeone asked me why is it that
it occurs in February?
And, as it turns out, the dateis set to be on the day after
the first new moon, which was onFriday, the February the 9th,
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and that begins a complete lunarcycle before the first day of
spring.
So the new moon that we have inMarch is too close to the
vernal equinox for a full lunarmonth to finish up, so it has to
be the one before that, andthat's why it starts in February
.
Just some trivia.
Laurie (36:00):
That's good trivia.
So, next week we have a realtreat, as special guests Steven
and Leslie Shaw will be on theshow.
They are a husband and wifeteam of researchers who have
done quite a bit of study on theabduction phenomena, the
ancient a in theory and thereports that have been made
about UFO sightings, and theywill join us next time to
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discuss some of the Things thatthey found out on the on these
subjects, which they put intheir book titled.
Who are they and what are theyup to?
Now, I expect it to be a veryinformative and thought
provoking episode, so pleasetune into that.
Next week, on February the 19th.
Joe (36:39):
Yes, their book is available on Amazon, both on
Kindle and on paperback and,like you said, laurie, that
they've done a lot of researchon humanities, long history of
possible alien encounters, allthe way back to biblical times.
They integrate a lot of conceptmaterial not only from the
stories of recent sightings, butalso with what has been learned
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through the studies of thingslike archaeology, human
evolution and even the teachingsfrom Eastern religion, and they
also expound on some ideas thatwe talked about today
concerning the whole Earth.
So, yes, I think it'll be avery intellectually stimulating
discussion and I'm lookingforward to it.
Laurie (37:17):
Yeah, me too, for sure, and please check out our website
, where you can find all of thedetails on that and our other
episodes.
That's wwwalientalkpodcastcom,and it's also on our Facebook
page.
Joe (37:33):
Yeah, we would love to hear any of your comments or
questions about today's topic orany of the others that we've
shared with you.
So, everyone, until next timeand, as always, stay curious.
Hello everybody, thank you for joining us on Alien Talk
Podcast.
This is the show where wediscuss all things about aliens
and UFOs and, as always, wherewe push the limits of
understanding.
We are your inquisitive andtruth-seeking hosts, Joe Landry
and Laurie Oldford, and weappreciate all of you tuning in
for another great episode.
Is the Earth hollow?
As a little kid, I used tothink it was, and apparently
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there were other people in theancient world who thought so as
well.
The bigger question, Laurie, isif it was hollow, what or who
would be inside of it?
Laurie (00:35):
Yeah, and, of course, J oe.
When we were kids, we believed,or we were even told by some
adults, that Hell was inside theEarth.
We were taught to think thatthe Devil and all of his demonic
horde of minions reside deepunder the ground.
So, before we delve into thistopic today, we want to
apologize for not having ourscheduled guest appear on the
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program, as we previously hadannounced.
There was a last-minute changethat came up and we were not
able to record with her, sounfortunately, these things do
happen.
Joe (01:07):
Indeed, they do.
It's just a fact of life thatnot all guests, nor all podcasts
are a good fit with one another.
We regret to say that, but youjust have to press on when that
happens.
So that is what we're going todo, and so we bring you our
topic for today, which is thelegend of the hollow Earth,
known in relation to Greek,chinese, nordic and Germanic
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mythology as a kingdom that issituated inside the Earth called
Agartha.
Laurie (01:33):
Right, and this tale of Agartha was pretty much unheard
of in recent times until GerardEncausse republished an 1886
story that was initially put outby a French occultist named
Aléxandre Saint- Yevesd'Alveydre.
It was called Mission de l'Indeen Europe and then, after
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World War I, German occults likethat of the Thule Society began
showing interest in themythical Agartha, which, as you
said, is related to more ancientstories.
Joe (02:08):
Now we all know through modern geology that the Earth is
not hollow like some Fabergéegg.
There is a crust of solid rockcomprised mostly of silicon,
carbon and metallic oxidecompounds, aka rocks and
minerals, and that extends forabout 25 miles, which is a layer
called the lithosphere, untilit reaches the plastic
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asthenosphere, and that is alayer of crust where the heat
keeps the rock in a gooey andpliable state, sort of like
semi-molten, and that's aboutanother 25 miles.
And then below that is themantle made of molten minerals
and metals and that is about1,800 miles thick.
And then there is the outercore of liquid nickel and cobalt
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surrounding the inner core ofsolid nickel and cobalt.
So, you might be wondering howscientists know this if no one
has been down there to see it.
Well, they only know it fromindirect evidence.
You know measurements andobservations made through the
study of volcanism, seismography, plate tectonics, geomagnetism,
gravitation and the compositionof minerals.
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But is there direct evidence?
Well, not much, but I rememberless than 20% of the bottom of
the oceans have ever been seenat all.
That according to an article inNational Geographic Magazine
which is dated January 21, 2011.
And that's because people can'tgo there to look at it, buster
is so much of it.
So, in the same way, what isbelow the crust of the earth has
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not been seen.
Laurie (03:38):
So is there any proof that the inside of the earth
could be able to sustain lifewith an atmosphere rich in
oxygen?
And from the model you justdescribed, it is, it would seem,
pretty unlikely, right?
But the thought that it couldexist goes back quite a way,
with all of the ancient andmedieval models of the universe
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placing in a best that existsbelow the world and where
unusual beings live, some thatare like strange animal species
and some that are humanoid inappearance.
And there are many people whobelieve that our planet was and
is hollow and that an ancientsociety thrived inside of it.
According to a diary journalkept by American Admiral Richard
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Byrd, who is credited withbeing one of the first guys to
have reached both the North andSouth Poles, there are details
logged about him discovering alarge subterranean chasm in
Antarctica in which there werehuge trees and other tropical
flora, mammoth looking animalsand an ancient yet very
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sophisticated race of humans.
After the completion of his 1926flight over the North Pole,
Byrd expounded in his journalabout the preparation for the
possibility of hostile planescoming from the polar regions,
based on his own experience,where his expedition came under
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attack by UFOs and USOs, andmany think that these are the
flying saucers he observed,possibly coming from a
passageway near the South Polethat leads to Agartha.
Now, in his 1922 book Beasts,men and Gods, the Polish
explorer Ferdinand Ossenendowskiwrote of a story about such a
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subterranean kingdom inside theEarth, and according to him,
this kingdom is also knownthrough Buddhism as a mythical
and legendary society calledAgarthi.
Theosophists believed thatAgartha to be a large area of
sophisticated caverns that arebelow Tibet and are occupied by
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demigods referred to as theasuras.
They were referred to asdemigods for a reason, and that
was because they possessedtechnology much more advanced
than the ordinary people.
Joe (06:03):
And Agartha is also associated with the legendary
place called Shangri-La.
We've all heard of that, andit's really just a derivation of
a similar imagery, which is howone of the entrances is
believed to be in the Tibetanmountains.
Shangri-la and Agartha, and itgives it a lot of Eastern
mystical appeal.
So, these names are what youmight call made up, but they are
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based on mythical and literaryconstructs that go back
thousands of years regardingthis idea of a world existing
beneath ours.
So actually, the name Agartha,as well as Shangri-La are made
up from occultists and isoterics.
In fairly recent times, likeyou mentioned, laurie and Casa
and Delvedre wrote about a placecalled Agartha, and it seemed
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to be based on much older mythsof places that had already been
around, namely Vahalla inNordic/ Scandinavian lore and
Shambala from Tantric Buddhism,and these depict a state of
enlightenment that isexperienced either through
transcendental meditation orelse in a glorious afterlife.
However, within thesetraditions, as well as others,
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is the idea that another realmexists far below our ground.
Laurie (07:17):
Well, going back to Admiral Byrd, his claim gets
even more strange.
He later, in his journal,mentioned that the airplane he
was flying came under control ofthose sophisticated race of
humans that he was talking about, and he said they did so with
the use of saucer-shaped craftthat forced him to land.
Then he said that he met thesehuman-like beings, human-like
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meaning, not exactly likehuman-like, like us and that
they were from Agartha, underthe Earth.
The thing is, Byrd was a navalcommander and followed the
orders of his superiors if theytold him not to go public with
these accounts, or they told himnot to go public with those
accounts, and strangely enough,before his life was over, he
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never came out and admitted thatthe journal entry was fake.
He died, he never recanting hisstory, either publicly or
privately.
And that is also a very commontheme with the phenomenon of
encounters, and that is thatpeople who experienced them
swear throughout their lives,even up to death, that they are
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or were real encounters.
Joe (08:28):
Indeed, and that is the case with many of them, there is
no doubt in their minds aboutwhat they experienced, whatever
it may be.
Now, actually, the Norwegianexplorer Roald Amundsen reached
the South Pole in 1911.
And he did so without doing anyflying.
It was a completely groundexpedition, and he did not ever
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provide a report about any kindof strange activity, although he
did nearly die from hisexpedition, and he just did not
keep a good record in terms ofwhat he encountered.
It was really just the basicstuff of weather conditions and
distance traveled.
So, it's not really well knownthat Amundsen encountered
anything about Agartha atAntarctica.
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But, Byrd certainly did, and hewent on to say in his journal
that the inhabitants from therediscussed to him their concerns
about the use of atomic bombsand wanted him to be their
spokesperson to the governmentsof the world, advising them of
these concerns.
Now, maybe it was because Byrdwas a proponent of, or was not a
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proponent.
He was not a big proponent ofnuclear weapons and nuclear
warfare and maybe he wanted tolog this in his journal about a
civilization that is moreadvanced than us and that it was
showing their dismay about that.
It could be that he had his ownpersonal agenda for saying this
, so we don't know and this iskind of a theme with such
encounters, right that we havethis message given to a
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spokesman who tell the world,warning all humanity about our
geopolitical state of affairs.
Laurie (10:06):
Yeah, and I mean we brought that up in our last
episode about the Zimbabwe UFOcontact, where these alien
beings told they weren'tpolitical officials, but they
were kids.
But they pretty much gave themthe same message, remember about
how there's going to be like apop elliptic ending to the world
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and how we're damaging theEarth and all of that sort of
thing.
Joe (10:32):
Right, and then I guess climate change was sort of the
theme.
So again, it's an ideology thatseems to be coming across, one
that we've talked about ashumans, and, lo and behold, the
alien race is talking about thesame thing.
Laurie (10:48):
Yeah, and it would make sense, I guess, for them to be
concerned about what humans aredoing and some esoteric
teachings Tibetan Buddhism thereare said to be highly
intelligent and enlightenedbeings called the Nagas that
come from underground and aregreatly susceptible to the
suffering caused by humans andtheir carelessness towards the
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earth.
The Nagas are believed to bedivine or partly divine.
Actually, they're supposed tobe a race of half human, half
serpent beings who are from theunderworld and sometimes take on
human form.
I guess you can say it's like asuperpower of theirs, much like
Mystique and "The X-Men, right?
Yeah, usually in three formshumans with snakes on their
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heads, as serpents or as halfhuman, half snake.
Joe (11:39):
I mean they may be the reptilians and they do sound
reptilian.
So this whole idea of a wholeearth, habitat and civilization
was actually pretty tantalizingto the people in the Victorian
era.
Remember that whole theosophyschool with its esoteric figures
like Edward Cayce and HelenaBlavatsky, the Thule Society,
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the Aquarian BrotherhoodFoundation with that figure
known as Brother 12, all of thatit was really big in the late
19th century and early 20thcentury when there was something
like an occult revival and thatwas within the context of an
even bigger spiritual revivalgoing on around the world and
included a lot of religiousmovements even within
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Christianity.
We've heard of the GreatAwakening and this invigorating
desire to obtain apocryphalknowledge of things like Agartha
was part of that spiritualmovement, that religious
movement.
So you know, one of my favoriteauthors when I was growing up
was the French writer, JulesVerne.
I love to read the stories Fromthe Earth to the Moon, 20,000
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Leagues Under the Sea and ofcourse his novel Journey to the
Center of the Earth, and thesewere written in that time period
, the late 19th century, and tono surprise they were very
popular.
So, in the novel Journey to theCenter of the Earth, Verne
entertains the Agartha myth,even though he doesn't mention
the name Agartha, and he does soby describing how these
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characters in the story.
On the surface, they traveldeep down into a vascasm and
find a world full of strange andwondrous creatures and plant
life, and that were all the wayback to the age of the dinosaurs
.
So, it's like the prehistoric,Jurassic period was preserved in
the center of the Earth.
Laurie (13:32):
Well, it is a really good story, by the way.
And well, according to anarticle on Gaiacom dated
November 15, 2019, titled,All-Earth Theory is the
Subterranean Civilization ofAgatha Real.
In nearly every ancient culture, there are allusions to the
inner realms of the Earth, as,along with beliefs that there
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are people dwelling in them.
We are familiar with some fromnone other than religious dogma,
as we said earlier, how it iscommonly believed that hell and
purgatory are located in thecenter of the Earth, where there
are the, you know, the deviland all the people in damnation.
This imagery has been prettypowerfully ingrained in our
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psyches since childhood and it'ssomething that has been passed
on from generation to generation.
Joe (14:27):
Well, oddly enough, Edmund Haley, the astronomer who
discovered Haley's comet, backin the 17th century, proposed
that the Earth is hollow andthat it is comprised of
concentric shells isolated fromeach other by their own
individual atmospheres.
He sort of depicted it as likethose Russian nesting dolls
where one fits inside the other.
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Instead of one very largecavern, there are several of
them, one layer after the other,and Haley presented this idea
to the Royal Society of Londonin 1692, on the basis of
magnetic field readings that hemade, even with his primitive
techniques back then, as well ashis knowledge of the
gravitational pull of the Sunand the Earth, the Sun and the
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Moon on the Earth.
And according to him, thesemultiple layers of worlds were
even separated by theseatmospheres and got their light
from, I guess, geoluminescence,which are like glowing rocks, or
heat from the center core.
But there were others at thetime scientific thinkers who
pictured a similar hypothesis ora much simpler one, and that is
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a hollow Earth with one singlevast large cavern like a big
hollow ball, and based on thisidea, the Earth had another Sun
that was hanging in its centerthat would provide light and
warmth and nourishment to a lush, habitable environment,
complete with large cities,farmlands, forests, mountains
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and oceans, just like on thesurface.
And there was also an officer, aU.
S.
Army officer named Captain JohnCleave Symmes Jr, who in 1818
declared in an officialmemorandum that the Earth was
undoubtedly hollow.
He sent this to his chain ofcommand and he also sought funds
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for an expedition to the NorthPole, where he expected to be
able to find this large aperturethat could access the hollow
Earth, and he thought it wouldhave been thousands of miles
across and would gradually takeyou down into the center as you
traveled further into thatnorthbound direction.
And Symmes also succeeded ingetting Congress to vote on the
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funding for this expedition.
They actually approved it.
However, Symmes died beforeanything came of it and
enthusiasm for the whole venturedwindled shortly after the
election of President AndrewJackson back in the 1820s.
Laurie (16:48):
Now it's interesting that you bring up this idea
about a large opening at theNorth Pole.
We know that the Arctic and theNorth Pole are packed with ice,
and so there are many holesthat lead to the Arctic Ocean
beneath it, but Antarctica andthe South Pole are on a land
mass, and there are storiesabout military aircraft flying
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over the South Pole where thecrews claim to have seen a large
opening in the packed ice notfar from it.
It was supposedly extremelylarge, like miles across, and
according to the websiteexo-politicsorg, it was seen
numerous times throughout the80s and the 90s.
Some of those crew members wereinterviewed and with their
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identities concealed, and theytold of how they were ordered
not to speak about the largehole, as well as some of the
other things that they had seen,such as large saucer-shaped
graph hovering nearby.
At one point, one of the pilotswas told to never again fly
into that specific region ofAntarctica, and this is
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reminiscent of the entry inAdmiral Byrd's journal about his
airplane coming under controlof such craft.
Joe (18:01):
We have to wonder if this is related to what happened on a
later mission to Antarcticalater after Byrd's expedition,
considered the top-secretOperation High Jump, which was a
massive expedition toAntarctica after World War II,
and it included more than 4,000men who were selected to go and
live there for eight months andstudy and map the place out, and
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this operation involved also atotal of 13 Navy support ships,
as well as an aircraft carrierand all the support helicopters
and flying boats and anentourage of other traditional
aircraft that were land-basedaircraft, not sea planes.
So, why didn't something likethis size happen so quickly?
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And it didn't end there.
There was yet anotherundertaking eight years later in
the 50s, and that was termedOperation Deep Freeze.
Byrd was part of that one, andthat was meant to help establish
a permanent U.
S.
presence in Antarctica and atthe South Pole, as there were
other nations doing the samething, and much of this was for
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scientific purposes, as it wassaid in publicized mission
statements that there has alwaysbeen rumors of entailing
something more.
Laurie (19:17):
Well, even Hitler believed that Agartha was a
place that existed.
There are Nazi maps containingthe directions of how to locate
it.
There is an account thatHeinrich Himmler had come across
a letter from a U-boatnavigator in Karl Unger who
claimed his crew had found itsway to Agartha and that the
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earth is indeed hollow.
There may not be evidence thatproves this, but there is enough
to show that the Nazis investedquite a bit of time and
resources trying to find Agartha.
This, according to an articleby Gaia.
C Gaiacom, was to have as a lastresort for Hitler to escape in
case of a dire emergency and alast-ditch effort to save
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himself.
Actually, the most commondiagram of Argatha that we have
to this day was drawn by aGerman scientist back in 1935.
Joe (20:13):
I think you can find those on the internet.
Google Agartha, it will come upas one of the images.
It's a pretty decent diagramdating back to 1935.
This shouldn't be toosurprising, as we know that
Adolf Hitler and the Nazisoversaw something known as the
Abernabe, which, for lack ofbetter words, was a deep-rooted
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occult program.
It was straight from the GermanHigh Command and involved the
SS.
For that matter, They also hadsecret expeditions and research
projects in the Himalayas, whichthey thought might be another
part of the world where apassageway to Agartha could be
found.
This part of the Nazi occultismwas centered not only in their
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belief in the existence of theAryan race, but also in finding
it, at least its remnants.
So Agartha to them was the landof the Aryans, and Hitler was
obsessed with finding proof ofit.
This cosmology was communicatedand understood by the Biblical
writers, for instance the modelwe have prevalent in the Hebrews
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.
But there existed a firmamentabove the earth and a deep abyss
lying below it.
That water surroundedeverything.
Any idea of a spherical earthin ancient times didn't seem to
come around until sometime ofthe Greek thinkers like Euclid
and Ptolemy and Eratosthenes,and so we have to wonder how the
story of the Great Flood mightpertain to Agartha, so perhaps
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many have pondered why it iswritten in the book of Genesis,
where it describes how watercovers the whole planet during
the flood, even covering thehighest mountains, which I guess
would be implying Mount Everestby more than 20 feet.
This is according to chapter 7,verse 20.
And it also talks about thefountains of the deep breaking
forth and the floodgates of theheavens being opened.
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So, the question is, Laurie,where did all of that water come
from?
Aside enough to raise the sealevel by more than six miles
around the globe from where itcurrently is situated and that's
a lot of water, that's afathomable amount of water and
also where it all goesafterwards.
So, according to a finding byBrookhaven National Laboratory
(22:27):
in Illinois, as well asresearchers at the University of
New Mexico, there ispotentially water present deep
within the Earth's mantle, about400 miles thick.
Based on their calculations,there is more water there,
estimated, than all the oceansby a factor of four.
So, four times all the waterthat is in the oceans and in the
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outer mantle.
That's a lot.
This is according to an articleat BNL.
G bnlgov dated June 14, 2014.
And these molecules of waterare supposedly locked within the
crystalline lattice bonds of amineral called ringwoodite and
ringwoodite, which is deep inthe Earth and under extreme heat
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and pressure it acts like a bigsponge that holds the water.
So, it's not like there are bigpools of it sloshing around.
At least scientists don't thinkso.
They're not completely sure.
We know that there arereservoirs in the ground that
hold a considerable amount ofliquid water, but they're not as
far down as the mantle.
Laurie (23:27):
Yeah, well, if that is true, then the reference to an
abyss filled with water may notbe that far off, with those
ancient models that illustratethis.
As well as the firmament, wefind the references to places
like Hades and Hell, or Sheol asit is called in the Hebrew
scriptures.
While this is mostlyallegorical and religious, in
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context it provides us a goodidea of how ancient peoples
understood the earth, which waslike it was inside, something
like one of those snow globeshaker things.
There is the mention of thewindows of heaven holding in the
waters.
Above, sometimes called theexpanse, that is the firmament,
and over it is the heavenly seatwhere God sits.
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Likewise, below the ground, butabove the abyss, is Sheol, or
Hades, the abode of the dead.
This imagery that the Biblegives us shows that people
believed in an inner earth realmthat held souls or bodies, or
perhaps even both.
Joe (24:29):
Yeah, and while this epistemological model may not be
accurate, it does show thatthere was some understanding
about the hydrology of theplanet, namely that there is
more water than we can see.
I've seen some pretty decentdiagrams to illustrate this,
with a flat terra ground upheldby pillars that have fountains
going down to the waters belowin the abyss which connect to
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the oceans.
So this idea of water in themantle is not exactly direct
parallel to this, but theconcept is similar.
And then, of course, you havethe firmament above it, which
holds the water, and beyond thatis the sun, moon and planets
and stars, and the firmamentencapsulates everything below it
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, namely the ground, the earththat people live in.
So in the present day model wehave the inner structure and
composition of the earth, whichhas been around since the early
20th century.
It's probably pretty close tobeing spot on.
We can see a good bit ofevidence that supports the
notion that it gets really hotwhen we reach a certain depth
(25:33):
and that there is molten rockdown there, you know, magma and
lava and that there aretremendous pressures involved
with plate tectonics and rocklayer formation.
Even though, literally speaking, we've never bored down far
enough to reach the mantle.
We can still see signs of it,so it would seem that life
cannot survive being down there.
However, that is not to saythat there aren't large,
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conneverous pockets of emptyspace that are not all the way
down in the mantle, but arewithin the lithosphere.
And the inside of the earthdoesn't have to be completely
hollow, even though some storiessay it is, but it can be
dabbled with hollow spaces, inparticular regions like under
the Himalayas or Iceland, orAntarctica, or even the Bermuda
(26:16):
Triangle.
Laurie (26:18):
But there are some cultures that talk about Agartha
as a place where actual citiesexist and that it is accessed
through certain passagewayslocated throughout the world,
like you mentioned before, Joe,how in Tibetan Buddhism there is
a mystical and placid realmcalled Shambhala that is
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reachable somewhere in theHimalayan mountains.
That is believed by some to beassociated with Agartha.
Hinduism has a tale of a lostAntediluvian city with caves and
underground entrances, and somepeople have associated it with
the land of Aryavarta or a boatof the excellent ones, which
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would mean that it's a landruled by a super race that
existed for thousands of yearswith advanced technology.
That's most likely what Hitlerwas referring to when he
believed that whites orCaucasians are descendants of
the Aryan race, a super race.
Joe (27:20):
Even before the war described in the Maribartha,
some were believing this ancientrace to be descendants of
Atlantis, lemuria and Mu, whichwere destroyed via war and other
circumstances that sent theminto the caverns deep within the
earth where, eventually,argartha may have been
established before that, anddon't forget Hyperborea, which
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is another civilization locatedin the far northern part of the
earth, and it is said by theancient Greeks to be a place
where people who had never beenseen had dwelt in a warm and
sunny climate, despite beingnear or above the Arctic Circle.
And by the Middle Ages, the termHyperborean came to tide with
the belief that there is a placecalled the end of the earth.
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It became synonymous with thephrase "end of the earth.
So, yes, mythology is filledwith stories of fantastic places
whose exact locations are notknown, such as Avalon and the
legends of King Arthur and highBrazil and Celtic and Gaelic war
and the city of El Dorado,sought after by the Spaniards
when they arrived in MesoAmerica.
(28:26):
And likewise, what happened toall of these places?
It is not exactly known.
They simply disappeared, becameerased.
Laurie (28:36):
And that, of course, makes us wonder where they
disappear to.
There is another placedocumented in the Mahabharata
known as Patala, so it issimilar in description to a
place inside the earth.
However, Patala is supposedlyruled by those beings known as
the Nagas, and they are at warwith Agatha.
They are depicted in Hindu andBuddhist illustrations as
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looking half human and halfreptilian.
They also are referred to as ahighly advanced race with great
technology and that sometimesthey kill and torture humans.
And in Sanskrit the word forNaga is a snake, and there are
several words for snake ingeneral.
One of the mostly used is Sarpa, close to serpent.
(29:20):
In Indo-European etymology theyare referred to as hairless,
naked animals, related to theEnglish word naked.
Joe (29:28):
And there is somewhat of a connection with what you just
described there with the Bible.
If you remember, after Adam andEve listened to the serpent,
they noticed her nakedness.
Now, this could not be literal.
This could be an analogy, thiscould be an allegorical
component explaining how humanDNA had been mixed with
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something else.
So, compared to other mammals,humans are hairless.
We are uniquely different inthat way, and that we have no
fur.
We have hair, most of us havesome hair, but we're not going
to believe that monkeys and dogsand cats and all the other
(30:10):
animals of the they're out there, the mammals of the animal
kingdom.
We have much less hair thanthey do.
So this kind of plays on thatidea that, hey, we realize we're
different from the othermammals.
Laurie (30:24):
Yeah, by quite a bit.
So being naked is like ametaphor for almost sapiens
coming separate from the rest ofthe primates then Right.
Joe (30:34):
So, the question becomes do these tales and legends of
Agartha in a subterranean worldsuggest a presence of, say,
extraterrestrial operations thatare clandestinely taking place
to bring all this about likewe're talking about?
A couple of years ago wementioned how the reports of
USOs underwater submersibleobjects were appearing in many
(30:56):
different parts of the ocean andthat they could have something
to do with an alien underseabase or multiple bases.
And if there were parts of theEarth's crust that are hollow it
doesn't have to be the wholeEarth is hollow but if there are
places where there are hugespaces, chasms and caverns,
perhaps hundreds or thousands ofmiles large in length or width,
(31:17):
then could alien bases belocated within those large
chasms.
And in reference to thosepassageways or tunnels that are
believed to lead to Agartha, wefind that some are underwater,
like the Bermuda Triangle.
But there's also belief thatthere are places around the
world where there are a highnumber of UFO sightings reported
(31:39):
sightings in some of themountain regions.
Laurie (31:43):
Yeah, and, like you said earlier, we have not been down
there so we don't know Likeunderneath the Bermuda Triangle,
underneath the bottom of thesea floor, there may be bases
underneath that we just don'tknow.
According to an article by JoniFolletto on Discovery.
C Discoverycom, titled"Allegedly, there is a secret
(32:04):
underground alien base in Dulce,New Mexico, dated August 1,
2019.
There is an underground basewhere you will find human,
animal and human alien hybrids.
It's also known as a place thathas advanced technology and was
reported to have an alienbattle with human soldiers where
60 personnel lost their lives.
(32:24):
And we spoke about thisgentleman before, named Philip
Snyder.
He's a former explosiveengineer, brought this whole
thing to light, even when he hadtop secret clearance, much like
Bob Lazar, but he came forwardand spelt it all, like he spelt
the beans on everything,including the alien battles and
(32:45):
the ongoing war with this lipidtype or reptilian type beings,
and he also claimed to haveworked on the construction of
the secret underground base in1979.
Well, Folletto continues in thearticle that there were some
disturbing reports from aroundthe area by police officers, and
(33:06):
one of the reports was from astate trooper named Valdes, who
claimed in interviews that hewitnessed black, silent,
sophisticated spacecraft andwent as far as to say that he
discovered a fetus inside a deadcow from one of those cattle
mutilation callouts.
But it wasn't a calf fetus.
(33:27):
It according to him.
His quote was that it lookedlike a human, a monkey and a
frog.
It didn't have any bones in thehead, it was all full of water.
And there was also a physicistwith a PhD named Paul Benowitz
who was certain that there wasextraterrestrial involvement
(33:47):
going on in that area and he waspicking up radio signals near
Dulce, which was too small of atown to receive these kinds of
messages and believed them to becoming from underground and
going toward a target high up inthe sky.
And I think the basic pointwith our gartha and any living
presence inside the earth isthat we don't know for sure what
(34:09):
all is down there and we have agood idea, not perfect
knowledge.
Just as we realize that most ofthe ocean has been explored,
and certainly the moon and theother planets, we also realize
that we haven't seen what alwaysdeep under our feet.
Joe (34:26):
So, the mysteries below the surface of the Earth as great
and as comparable as those thatare above it.
As you know, what we wonderabout life, you know out among
the stars and the search forIntelligence out there, and it
also may be applied to thewonder of life and intelligence
below our feet, inside the Earth.
(34:46):
It could, you know, be what isabove be the same as what is
below.
And as always, you, theaudience, must decide, and that
will wrap it for today.
As it is Super Bowl Sunday inthe U.
S.
and for anyone watching the bigNFL game, we hope your team
wins.
I can't even say who I'm goingfor, quite honestly.
Laurie (35:07):
Yeah, I mean either I was rooting for the Ravens, but
that didn't work out to well.
So, anyway, I I still likewatching it.
It's a good time with thefamily and stuff and good food.
Joe (35:18):
Yeah, and I was rooting for the Lions, so neither one of us
got a wish.
And also something noteyesterday was Chinese New Year,
which is the Lunar New Year, andsomeone asked me why is it that
it occurs in February?
And, as it turns out, the dateis set to be on the day after
the first new moon, which was onFriday, the February the 9th,
(35:43):
and that begins a complete lunarcycle before the first day of
spring.
So the new moon that we have inMarch is too close to the
vernal equinox for a full lunarmonth to finish up, so it has to
be the one before that, andthat's why it starts in February
.
Just some trivia.
Laurie (36:00):
That's good trivia.
So, next week we have a realtreat, as special guests Steven
and Leslie Shaw will be on theshow.
They are a husband and wifeteam of researchers who have
done quite a bit of study on theabduction phenomena, the
ancient a in theory and thereports that have been made
about UFO sightings, and theywill join us next time to
(36:21):
discuss some of the Things thatthey found out on the on these
subjects, which they put intheir book titled.
Who are they and what are theyup to?
Now, I expect it to be a veryinformative and thought
provoking episode, so pleasetune into that.
Next week, on February the 19th.
Joe (36:39):
Yes, their book is available on Amazon, both on
Kindle and on paperback and,like you said, laurie, that
they've done a lot of researchon humanities, long history of
possible alien encounters, allthe way back to biblical times.
They integrate a lot of conceptmaterial not only from the
stories of recent sightings, butalso with what has been learned
(36:59):
through the studies of thingslike archaeology, human
evolution and even the teachingsfrom Eastern religion, and they
also expound on some ideas thatwe talked about today
concerning the whole Earth.
So, yes, I think it'll be avery intellectually stimulating
discussion and I'm lookingforward to it.
Laurie (37:17):
Yeah, me too, for sure, and please check out our website
, where you can find all of thedetails on that and our other
episodes.
That's wwwalientalkpodcastcom,and it's also on our Facebook
page.
Joe (37:33):
Yeah, we would love to hear any of your comments or
questions about today's topic orany of the others that we've
shared with you.
So, everyone, until next timeand, as always, stay curious.
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