August 14, 2024 ā¢ 51 mins
Could ancient civilizations have possessed advanced knowledge or even encountered extraterrestrial beings? Our latest episode features Aaron Long, a renowned expert in Mesopotamian archaeology and Ice Age geology, as we scrutinize the Antikythera mechanism, the Baghdad battery, the Istanbul rocket, and other out-of-place artifacts that challenge conventional historical timelines. Aaron shares his insights and recent work on the Ancient Astronaut Theory, offering a compelling narrative that may reshape the way we think about ancient history and extraterrestrial influences.
Prepare to be intrigued as we delve into the technological mysteries of ancient artifacts, such as a Neanderthal skull with an unexplained hole and the enigmatic Ubaid figurines, which sport reptilian features. We discuss the possible existence of intelligent beings or their symbolic representations in ancient cultures and connect these artifacts with ancient civilizations like the kingdom of Urartu and their association of godliness with attributes such as the ability to traverse the skies. The episode also investigates the Istanbul rocket and its fascinating ties to these ancient stories of celestial travel.
Our exploration doesn't stop there. We dissect the mysteries surrounding the precision-crafted Schist disk from Egypt's First Dynasty and the Piri Reis map, a 16th-century chart that controversially depicts Antarctica without ice. Could these artifacts suggest lost technologies or forgotten histories? We also entertain the possibility of unearthing massive alien artifacts buried beneath the Earth's surface, pondering historical and geological evidence that hints at larger, hidden relics. Join us for this thought-provoking journey as we widen our understanding of ancient mysteries and their potential extraterrestrial connections.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hello everybody, thank you for joining us on
Alien Talk Podcast.
This is the show where wediscuss all things about aliens
and UFOs and, as always, wherewe push the limits of our
understanding.
Joe Landry and Roy Olford hereonce again to seek out the truth
and find the facts pertainingto the highly discussed issues
about extraterrestrial life andthe existence of UFOs.
(00:22):
So tonight our emphasis onmythology shifts from science
fiction stories to actualarchaeological discoveries,
remnants of antiquity that havebeen unearthed, some all the way
back to the Victorian era.
They are unusual objects asthey seem foreign to the others
that have been recovered fromthe same period.
Instead of looking like otherrelics, they seem to be like
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something that doesn't belongthere, like something out of
place in time.
So could these odditiesresemble things that came from
someone other than our ancientancestors?
Could they be not of humandesign and imagination, but of
extraterrestrial intervention?
Could they be alien artifacts?
We'll examine some of the moreobscure and arcane pieces that
(01:04):
have been studied by scientistsand have left many of them
baffled, as their origins seemto defy our understanding of
history.
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Speaker 1 (02:19):
Okay, just to be straight on this, when we say
alien artifacts, we want to makesure no one misunderstands us
and thinks that they are piecesof elaborate equipment
technology, from another planetthat have been unearthed by
archaeologists like somethingfrom an Indiana Jones movie.
We're not talking aboutsomething like a decked out
spacecraft wreckage buried outnear the Acropolis in Greece, as
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cool as that would be.
First, to date, no such thinghas ever been discovered and
second, if it was, theinformation about it would be
deemed highly classified by thegovernments of the world and we
would probably never even beable to know anything about it.
So these things that we arereally talking about are not
artifacts like that no smokingguns, as much as we wish.
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No smoking guns, as much as wewish.
Instead, they are relics builtby human hands that show that
their makers possess some kindof understanding about science
that, as far as we know abouthistory, people wouldn't have
obtained back then.
These are called by the genericname of out-of-place artifacts,
and they are objects that aresignificantly ahead of their
times.
Ones that I think prominentlystick out are the Antikythera
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mechanism and the Baghdadbattery, and the question that
they bequeath upon us is do suchartifacts, at least indirectly
point to some outside andotherworldly influence.
So to join us in the explorationof this subject is our good
friend and inspirational mentorfrom all the way across the pond
, aaron Long.
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As you all know, aaron hasundertaken several research
endeavors from all over in theUK that pertain to Mesopotamian
archaeology and Ice Age geology,and he maintains a worldwide
following on his AncientAstronaut Theory Facebook page,
through which he avails much ofhis information, and he has also
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been on our show several timesto share his expertise with us.
So, aaron, it is truly an honorand a privilege to have you
here with us once again as wedelve into a mysterious and one
might even say controversialtopic.
So welcome my friend, and thankyou for being with us at this
very late hour over there, ormaybe it's a very early hour,
whichever it may be yeah, no,it's a complete and it's a
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complete honor.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
I'm privileged to be on, you know, season 10 with you
guys.
Um, I always love being on anduh, yeah, I think it's going to
be an intriguing show and, um,yeah, I mean, it is early hours
in the morning here, so it'slike, you know, uh, 2 20 am, uh,
but I've got the coffee on, sooh yeah, you don't drink tea I
(04:54):
do actually drink tea, buttonight I'm drinking strong
coffee.
Guys there you go nice, onenice one joe, bring up tea for
the brit.
That's why.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
And crumpets right yeah, I like tea too.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
Sometimes I drink tea as well yeah, yeah, aaron,
always, uh, always, truly apleasure having you on with us.
Uh, since you were last with us, you've been very busy because
I've been watching your ancientastronaut theory facebook page
quite a bit, liking it, lovingit, and, uh, you have a, you
have us, uh.
(05:24):
You gave us some tremendous uhreview too, for our latest novel
, by the way, that battle planetad, relic of the gods and, and
that was on goodreads and thankyou for that.
So, and uh, we want to just saywe really appreciate what
you're doing for us.
You're really helping us out.
But, uh, you've also been on onthere doing quite a bit uh, or
like for movies or somethinglike interviews, right, how's
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that been going for you?
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Oh right Same interviews.
Yeah, first and foremost, you'remore than welcome, guys.
I mean, I want to thank you aswell for personally sending me
the book Battle Lady, relic ofthe Gods Was it Sorry?
Battle Planet, relic of theGods.
It is a beautiful book,beautiful hardcover book and a
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fantastic read to boot, and whatI loved is your simplicity in
writing.
Anybody can pick that book upand enjoy it.
I also love the aspects of howyou based your characters on, on
what I perceived as as reallife uh, personalities you know
(06:30):
from from back in the day, fromhynek to you know, uh, maybe in
in the egyptology field.
So you know, um, that that wasa nice little, nice little touch
on your part if it wasdeliberate, that is um.
So I urge anybody anybody who's, who's got an interest in
alternative archaeology or youknow um the ancient alien theory
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, ancient national theory thenthen go and grab that book.
You're not going to bedisappointed.
So I'm not just saying that,guys, because I'm on the show.
It's genuinely, you know, areal, real good book and um, I
thank you as well for yourpersonal message in the book to
me.
Speaker 5 (07:05):
so well, thank you so much yeah, yeah, thanks, um, so
yeah, we've been following yourancient astronaut theory
facebook page and noticed that,uh, the past several posts now,
aaron, uh, they've displayedsome like remarkable images of
relics that were found indifferent parts of the of the
world.
And, uh, these are, you know,pieces that were dug up or
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somehow found, I guess, amongthe ruins or sites that belong
to ancient peoples.
So they're not like old toysburied in someone's backyard,
right, and they were located insites of like the remains of
settlements that date backthousands of years, tens of
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thousands of years probably.
And one that is of particularinterest is something called the
Istanbul Rocket.
As its name suggests, it is ondisplay in Istanbul, but was
found in an area known as Tushbain eastern Turkey back in 1973.
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Since then, it has caused quitea stir in the academic community
, because it is a stone carvingdated to about 3,000 years old
and it depicts what seems tolook like a Mercury or a Gemini
space capsule with a man seatedinside of it, and the
resemblance is rather uncanny.
(08:30):
It even has what seem to bethree thrusters on the back of
it Two thrusters, yeah, exactlyyeah, and you pointed out, aaron
, if this is not a hoax and youknow, and it doesn't seem to be
as it is or as gone undergonetesting, then the maker of it is
trying to convey a messagewithout words about what was
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seen back then.
I mean, what would that messagebe, and how certain are we
about that?
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Just to touch on what you said, laurie, about the
artifact being on show withinthe Istanbul Archaeology Museum.
It was on show and they havenow put it in the basement out
of show, and that's due to thefact of too many people asking
questions, and uncomfortablequestions at that, and
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uncomfortable questions at that.
They just don't have any answeras to why this like we call it
in Istanbul rocket, as it'sknown, why this rocket exists
and is 3,000 plus years old.
So what they've done is they'veput it out of the way, taken it
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out of the cabinet, and we'rein the scenario of don't look
here, there's nothing to seehere, scenario which is tragic.
Quite clearly, the artisan, theancient artisan who created
this artefact, was trying toconvey that they witnessed
technology that we have at ourdisposal today.
Back then, if you look closelyat the Istanbul rocket, like you
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said, you have the freeexhausts at the back, you know,
which would propel the object inquestion.
You also see the beam in aseated position that you would
see an astronaut seated todayinside a rocket, and this beam
has what looks to be apressurized space suit.
Uh, the head is missing.
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So we can't see a helmetbecause there's no head on.
Unfortunately, there's no headon on the body, um, but it is
quite clearly a you know whatlooks to be identical to that of
a modern day astronaut, uminside a rocket um and also
manipulating controls.
Much like when did they?
Speaker 1 (10:47):
when did they take it off of display?
That must have just been prettyrecent I'm not sure exactly
when.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
So you know I'm not going to go on record to say
when, but they, they have nowtaken it out off display.
Um, they've also sort of thrownthe, the, the, the hoax
scenario out there that this,you know, this is this.
Actually, this is a hoax.
Um, it's not.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
You know, it's quite clearly not a hoax, or they
wouldn't have displayed it inthe first place all right, it
seems like they're trying to uhdo one of those uh hidden
archaeological or hidden, uhhidden history type things again
from us exactly, and it'sinteresting to note where it was
discovered.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
It's discovered, like you said, in tushba in turkey.
We know little to nothing aboutthe civilization in tushba, so
you, you know once again thatthere's a, there's a, you know
somewhat mystique surroundingthis um, unheard of, or or
little known about, civilizationof antiquity.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
So yeah, so the ist, the Istanbul rocket, is just one
of several pieces that resemblea flying craft or a spaceship
Absolutely.
There's a Quimbaya jet thatcomes from Colombia.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
The Quimbaya fire yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Quimbaya jet from Colombia around 1905.
That dates to roughly 500 AD.
There's a scarab birddiscovered near Giza in Egypt in
1898, and that dates to about200 BC.
The designs of these objectshave actually been demonstrated
to be aerodynamically accurate.
Larger scale models of themhave been made to the exact
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ratios of the dimensions ofthese pieces, and they've been
made to fly.
So that leaves us wondering howthe creators of them knew about
the mathematicalinterrelationship of the sizes
and shapes of the wings to makeas accurate as a real airplane
wing.
Such knowledge of fluidmechanics didn't come about
until the 17th century, andheavier-than-air flight didn't
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happen until the 20th century.
So, aaron, it seems that,though, the ancients did have a
scientific understanding of thisand it became lost at some
point.
Do you think these artifactspreserve a story, through the
artistic tradition, about thefar distant past, perhaps even
in prehistoric times, whereadvanced technological machinery
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did exist on Earth?
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Yes, I'm more than convinced that what our ancient
ancestors witnessed, theydepicted and they created for
many generations to come beingus and we're looking at it right
now.
I mean, these artifacts are no,you know, they're no accident.
You know this one, you know,children sat around, just, you
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know, these artifacts are noaccident.
This one, children sat aroundjust making toys out of steam.
They were depicting what theysaw, the aerodynamics of these
crafts and the way they'redepicted, which eerily resemble
that of which we have today likeI said, is no accident yeah,
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and you and I were talking realquick, uh, to email and talking
about going way, way back.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
Um, you mentioned something about a, a bullet hole
or something in a that wasfound in a skull that's correct.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
Yeah, it's a bullet hole found in a neanderthal
skull.
Um, you know I, I mean I, youknow, like we speak, I was going
to touch upon that on aseparate episode, completely
separate and and put that withthe footprints that coexist with
dinosaurs as well.
Um, you know they, they, we, wehave scientists in germany, um
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examining these, theseneanderthal skulls, and they
state they clearly stated thatthis is a projectile, projectile
at high speed, being a bullet,yeah, and I know people are
probably listening to this goingthis is nuts.
You know this guy or guy ondrugs, you know they.
We have scientists backing it,backing these claims up.
(14:46):
Yeah, the site that thosescientists, may I add, were were
quickly, were quickly silenced.
Yeah, so that's another storyfor another episode.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
Yeah, Well, I know we touched on it a little while
back, but yeah, there'ssomething to really delve into
deeper, because I'm sure there'smore.
But I mean, oddly enough, theregion where the Istanbul rocket
was discovered is the placewhere the kingdom of Urartu is
thought I think that's how youpronounce it, but to have
dwelled at one time and it wasin the area of northern Iran and
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eastern Turkey and was therearound the 9th century BC until
it was conquered by the Medesaround 550 BC.
So the Istanbul rocket dates toabout that time frame and it
was probably the Eurasians orEurasians who made it.
Now, I'll get your thoughts onthat in a second.
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But in this region, in andaround Mesopotamia, we have the
cradle of civilization, which weall know about, as it is called
, and this is where theSumerians, the Akkadians, the
Babylonians, the Assyrians andsome others all flourished from
the 48 to the 3rd century BC.
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But before them is one that weknow quite little about, as it
seems to predict the Sumerians,and that's going back beyond
6000 BC, and they are known asthe Eubadians.
Yeah, yeah.
And while they left behind notextual evidence, I don't think
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they did create a very strangeor they did create some very
strange looking figurines.
So, aaron, I mean you do havephotos of them on your Facebook
and I saw them, and, of course,I saw those photos before, and
anyone who sees them can't helpbut notice that they have
reptilian faces, human bodies.
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I guess they're likelizard-like faces.
I guess they're likelizard-like faces.
But does this mean that themakers of these figurines had
some creatures that looked likeand then tried to replicate
their images in the form ofsmall statues?
Speaker 4 (17:05):
I'm glad you brought this up, laurie.
I was hoping you were going tobring it up.
You did.
Yeah, the Ubaid figurines.
So the first excavation ofthese figurines was conducted in
1919 by Henry Hall.
It was only in 1927 that alarger excavation took place by
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British archaeologist, sirLeonard Woolley.
So it's the 1927 digs andexcavations that gained all the
attention.
And these figurines areextremely interesting.
They're anthropomorphicfigurines.
They unearthed up to thehundreds of these figurines.
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They discovered them in thecity of Ur.
Interestingly, this city was abustling metropolis back in the
day and it was said to be thatthis city was where gods walked
among men.
Does this sound familiar?
Just like in Egypt,pre-dynastic Egypt, when the
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gods walked among men?
And here we have these figurinesclearly depicted with, some are
female, um carrying out youknow female activity, as in
breastfeeding their young, uh,these.
This is clearly, clearlydepicted within these uh, small
statuettes.
They're beautifully preservedas well, um, due to the dry
climate of these regions.
So we're very fortunate andlucky to see how um well
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preserved these figurines are.
And then you have the malefigurines with obviously male
genitalia.
This was clear as day, so youcould see the attention to
detail when these artisanscreated these figurines.
Another interesting point onthese figurines are the
elongated craniums, you know,and the coffee bean-like eyes
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that we see all over the world.
We see these same beings inMahenjo-Daro.
We see whole families of themfeeding their young.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Yeah, native American culture has creatures like that
, where the eyes look veryserpentine and lizard-like.
Yeah.
And Ubaid figurines certainlyseem to support a hypothesis
about the existence ofintelligent and sentient
reptiloid and humanoid creaturesfrom the remote past.
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But we have to ask in what way?
I mean, did they physicallyexist or do they represent a
theological construct to whichthe ancient people adhered?
We can't say for sure, but itseems like there was at least a
psychological association thatwas once made between the
attributes of reptiles,particularly the snake, and the
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notion of godliness.
And the same can be said forthe capacity to traverse the sky
and the notion of God with thenotion of godliness.
The idea of godliness and beingable to travel through the
heavens was kind of synonymouswith the ancient people.
So, aaron, we have to ask whywould that be?
Why and how did such imageimpress early humans so as to
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think of it as being related tothe divine?
Speaker 4 (20:12):
Yeah, that's a great question.
Uh, great question, joe.
So when we look at theelongated craniums of the
practice people, again, acivilization we know little to
literally zero about, um, we'vegot physical, physical craniums,
uh, which have been tested.
Uh, many people go well, youknow, it's the product of uh
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head binding.
Well, it's not because they'vebeen tested.
They've, they've been tested.
The satchel sutra on the skullsare completely different from
any any, you know, gnome, homosapien.
So, straight away, straight offthe bat, you, you have a
genetic, a distinctive geneticdifference between us and them.
Yeah, uh, so we have physicalevidence of these elongated
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people on earth in our remotepast.
Uh, these, these skulls eerilyresemble those of the ubaid
figurines found in the city ofearth.
So, so, not only have we gotartifacts to to show these, uh,
these, these unknown beings, wehave physical bodies and
physical craniums to to to provethat they once walked, you know
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, on this planet.
So you know, we've, we've, we.
It's like I said, it's not justfigurines, we have physical,
you know, we have physicalanatomies of these beings.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
Well, they're doing, what they're doing, what?
What our, our ancestors aredoing, what we do today.
So they, they didn't havephotographs to take cell phones,
and you know, so they're.
They're making these things sowhich I believe?
They're probably the.
They're probably trying todepict either the anunnaki or
the reptilian race, or probablythey're both actually.
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And uh, you so, because thenarrative of the existence of
such a race of beings ispreserved in the Hebrew Bible
Exactly.
Yeah, there is well, theNephilim in Genesis 6, 1 through
5, who, as we know, were giantsaccording to the old scriptures
, the biblical scriptures, and,of course, nephilim in the
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original Hebrew, and they werethe offspring of the Watchers
and human women.
So it was a hybrid race thatwas created, which I believe,
that was us.
And there are the Raphael inNumbers, chapter 13, which are
also giants and are said to bethe sons of Anak Well, anak is
derived from Anunnaki be thesons of Anak.
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Well, anak is derived fromAnunnaki.
They're also referenced severaltimes throughout the book of
Deuteronomy and Joshua, and sowe find this theme throughout
the mythological traditions fromthe cradle of civilization,
such as Egypt, mesopotamia, inwhich the artwork is almost
obsessive toward the idea ofgods coming down from the sky.
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And now, with this idea ofdepictions of aerial technology
like the Istanbul rocket, thereis an object that was discovered
in Egypt in 1936, within thetomb of Sabu, the son of Pharaoh
Anegeb, and dates to around3000 BC.
Now it is known as the schistdisk, sometimes called the Sabu
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disk, and this thing looks likeit could be some kind of
steering wheel or hydraulicimpeller hydraulic impeller, now
, aaron, being that it is madeof schist, which is a delicate
mineral that is difficult to cut, by the way, and curve with
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crude tools.
But what does that say aboutthe way it was crafted, so
precisely at a time which stoneand bronze tools were all that
were around at the time?
Speaker 4 (23:57):
Yeah, well, exactly.
So we're faced with anotherconundrum from our ancient world
.
We are told that this disc isnothing but an incense holder.
It's just absolutely insane,this advanced technology I'm
(24:17):
going to call it advancedtechnology because that's
exactly what it is um, it's onthe show in the cairo museum, uh
, for anybody to to see if, ifyou know, if they ever go to
cairo is is readily available tolook at, which, which surprises
me because, uh, usually thatyou know these, these sort of
out of place or artifacts, orare just swept underneath the
rug and, yeah, it doesn't fit inwith our narrative, so we have
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to sort of, you know, put it outof the way.
I want to see that.
I mean, when you look at thisthing, thing, you, you, you
straight away think it, for tome, is part of something larger.
Is, you know, this artifactisn't a singular, um, artifact,
that there was something thatwent with it.
It's part of a large.
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You know it could be a machine,it could have been a massive
machine, it could, you know itcould.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
It was something a much, much more advanced that
for that time period, and this,this was either attached to it
or you know, yeah, and accordingto James Coffey at
HistoryDefinedcom article datedMarch 8th 2023, schist is very
brittle and its name comes fromthe word to split, and there
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have been other relics found ormade of it.
This is the only one ever foundthat exhibits such precision
and how it was cut, carved andshaped.
And how it was cut, carved andshaped.
There are no other designs likeit and it seems to have been
formed flawlessly and perfectlyat the first making.
There are no other ones like it.
There are no duplicates,nothing resembles it even
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closely.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
Well, I mean sorry for the question.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
It was found during the first dynasty of Egypt,
which is a very long time ago,apparently.
Even with ourcomputer-controlled milling and
grinding and cutting machineryof today, it is an extremely
tedious task to replicate theshape of the schist disk.
So, again, this is anout-of-place artifact, and does
it tell a story about losttechnology that existed on Earth
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perhaps even long before thefirst dynasty?
So, laurie, as perfectly formedas it is, we really don't know
what it is meant to be used for,right?
Speaker 5 (26:26):
Well, no, I don't think so.
I mean, the desk is thought bysome scholars to have been used
for brewing beer and to mix andmash the grains with hot water
and such.
So it was a mixing tool, Ithink is what they mostly
believe it is now, uh, with twomixing blades we use like a,
like we use on a handheld mixer,I guess you know, like the ones
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we watched our moms mix cakemix with and we licked the like
the icing off right yeah well,well, this thing was, I guess it
.
It was similar because theymixed other foods and you know,
like meats and fruit with, youknow, with the grains.
Now here's the shocker how didan ancient civilization that far
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back know how to make this kindof tool to do all that that I
just mentioned, tool to do allthat that I just mentioned?
Remember, there are Sumeriancylinder seals and they're
depicting these beings, theselarge beings, like sitting on a
throne, and they are much tallerthan ordinary humans, which is
like six feet, they're like halftheir size handing the plow to
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them, which indicates that thegods provided the tools to them
for cultivation and agriculture.
So perhaps this Schist disk issomething replicated from one of
those said tools.
Right, Aaron?
Speaker 4 (27:49):
I mean, yeah, to add to that, Laurie, this artifact
must have been of extremeimportance and it had huge
significance because it wasburied with a high priest.
You know sabby was a highpriest of, you know, ancient
egypt, so you know, to have beenburied with him, this artifact
(28:09):
must have been um of high, highsignificance.
You know, if it was, you knowit could, it could have been,
you know, something to grind upthe grains or something to aid
in food preparation, or whathave you.
But for me there's just toomuch significance regarding
where it was.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
That is a good point to bring up there, Aaron,
because if it's just a mixer forfood, why would that be buried
with a priest?
I mean, what would be thepurpose of essentially burying a
kitchen utensil with the priest?
It must have served some otherpurpose.
Perhaps food preparation waspart of it, but there was maybe
some ritualistic importance toit as well.
Speaker 5 (28:53):
Well, since you brought that up, just think
about the meal preparations thatwere made for God back in
during the Levitical sacrificetimes.
I mean, it was holy to haveforks and spoons on the altar of
sacrifice.
So you know they made thosepeople.
Those sacrifices were made tohonor God and to actually feed
(29:15):
God and the Bible actually saysit's, you know it's, it was food
.
It was food for the gods.
So I could see the, you knowthe, the importance of something
like that possibly being of ahigh religious value and
respected as such.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
Aaron, yeah, I mean, yeah, I completely get your
point, Laurie.
It's great to have a friendlydebate.
I just think we would havefound more everyday utensils
within tombs which we just don'tsee on a large enough scale.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
True.
Well, you know, some of theseartifacts seem to suggest that
their makers knew of technologyfrom beyond their place in time.
There are some that suggestthey knew about what the world
looked like in a highly accurateway, even without the modern
geodetic surveying andcartographic techniques that we
employ today at our disposal.
So that brings us to somethingcalled the Piri Reis map.
(30:23):
This is a medieval nauticalchart that was found in some
forgotten archive I believe in1929, and it shows in
painstaking detail the outlineof the coast of Antarctica as it
would have looked if the ice isnot there.
It supposedly was drafted in1513 by an Ottoman Navy admiral
(30:45):
named Piri Reis, and thequestion raises how was he able
to make such a map of thecoastline if it is and was back
in the 16th century, completelycovered and obscured and thus
invisible due to massive sheetsof ice that conceal it?
So, aaron, how could Perry Reeshave had access to such
information that even today,with our capability of aerial
(31:08):
surveillance and groundpenetrating radar, is tedious
and often with questionablereliability?
Speaker 4 (31:15):
Yeah, the Perry Rees map has to be one of my, one of
my favourites and one of themost mind-boggling pieces we
have on earth today.
And we're still just asmystified now as we were back
then.
So in, like you said, 1929,scholars working in Turkey's
Topkapi Palace Museum discovereda part section of an early 16th
(31:38):
century Turkish worldkish worldmap, and it's made of gazelle
skin, believe it or not?
Um so, so with this map, weonly have a section of the map,
but it's what's depicted on themap.
It's really interesting and thethe uh, the time frame in which
it's depicted, uh, it's.
It's actually signed by aturkish admiral, by, you know
(31:59):
navy admiral, by the name ofperi reese, hence the name the
peri reese map, right, um and it?
It was obviously dated in 1513.
That's also on the map.
Uh, so that would mean that itwas 21 years after christopher
columbus discovered the newworld, uh, which is interesting
in itself.
So here's the kicker.
(32:24):
So what you know, mainstreamscholars say well, you know,
piri Rees signed it.
You know he it was Piri Rees,that sort of you know drew the
map up and he signed it, etcetera, blah, blah, blah, blah,
blah.
What they don't often talkabout is the fact that Piri Rees
himself said that he hadsourced 20 previous source maps
and charts to construct the mapitself.
(32:45):
So we have from the horse'smouth being Piri Rees that he
was looking at older maps inorder to construct this map on
Gazelski and we call the PiriReis map today.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
And don't some of these maps actually go back all
the way to the Ptolemaic period,like, probably like a second
century BC?
They're pretty old maps that hereferenced.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
He's telling us that he was sourcing much, much, much
more older source maps.
So the question is what werethese older source maps?
Um?
Where are these source maps?
Um?
But, like I said, we have itfrom the horse's mouth.
So who are we to say you know?
Well, no, he didn't, he didbecause he told us he did.
Um, you know, there'd be noreason to lie if anything, he,
(33:33):
if, if anything, perry reesewould have said that you know,
it was me that discovered themap, or or created the map.
He would want the full.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Right, I think, some of those older maps that he.
The theory is that thePtolemaic maps that may have
been mentioned, or the originalmaps which were copied later on,
may have been lost in thelibrary of Alexandria when it
was burned in the 5th century.
So we may have been lost in thelibrary of alexandria when it
was burned in the fifth century.
(34:01):
So so what we have are thecopies from that, but they
believe that the original onesthat were made even further back
, you know, second century bc,and they were kept in the
library of alexandria and arelost at time because the library
was, of course, as we knowdestroyed.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
Yeah, we lost so much of our ancient world.
Uh, you know, through theburning of the library of
alexandra is, uh, it's justunquestionable to think what,
what we could have um beenlooking at had that not happened
.
Um, but the here's the realkicker in the mystery of the map
.
Uh, you know, it's got apresence of what appears to be a
representation of Antarctica300 years before it was
(34:41):
discovered.
So, you know, even more mindboggling than that is, you know,
is the Antarctica landmass isdepicted with no ice sheets.
So, you know, the cartographerwas, was was depicted in
Antarctica when it was fertile,when it is a fertile crescent,
so to speak, fertile, green andlush.
(35:01):
So, um, not that, you know, Iwas talking about 300 years
difference just a minute ago.
Now we're going back 6 000 plusyears, you know, for the end of
the last ice age, so to speak,uh, which was 12 500 years ago.
So you know who was thiscartographer?
Um, before the you know thatcreated this map, before the
(35:22):
antarctic was covered in ice.
Well, who were the travelerswho went?
Speaker 1 (35:26):
down there.
That's the the uh, the bafflingthing.
It's like what you said uh, 300years later is when we attest
the discovery of antarctica Imean, you know the 20th century
and we see what an effort it isto go down there.
It is not an easy trip, it islife threatening, it is
dangerous.
Even today I imagine thousandsof years ago I take a ship down
(35:51):
into the southern ocean wouldjust be very dangerous, very
difficult, almost.
You know the deterring factorlike why bother doing this?
So much is at risk in terms oflife and limb.
But they did.
Somebody or some group ofpeople did travel there and were
able to not only see the landbut actually chart it.
Speaker 5 (36:18):
Well, aaron, when you mentioned going back like
12,000 plus years ago, well,that brings to mind the you know
what, if the well that's aroundthe time, I guess Atlantis
would possibly have existed andit could have been that those
maps were created by Atlanteansthat knew about the South or
(36:39):
Antarctica and sailed around itand did these maps, or, as Joe
mentioned earlier, with theKumbaya artifacts earlier.
You know how they were modeledand flew.
You know not only them, but theEgyptian Sakara bird and, of
course, relics like the Istanbulrocket.
If these were engineeredaircraft from antiquity, then it
(36:59):
is possible that the Piri's mapcould have been drawn up by an
extraterrestrial piloting one ofthese such crafts, even up to
500, 700 years ago.
And I say this because I wasvisiting a museum in Seattle one
year and saw a depiction of theEarth going, going through its
climate uh, like it's a climaticchanges over the thousands of
(37:23):
years.
And what's interesting is thatduring the 1300s the earth was
depicted as having little to noum ice caps.
So could a flying craft of somekind I mean, there wasn't, no,
there wasn't any uh technologylike we know today back then,
but you know, could a uh flyingcraft of some kind, been
(37:43):
traveling up above at that timemapping the whole area.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
And voila, we have the perry's map yeah, so, yeah,
so, to further elaborate on thatlori, uh, very interesting
points raised regarding the?
Uh, the civilization, well saidcivilization of atlantis.
Uh, as we know, we, we all knowplato's dialogue where he said
you know, atlantis sunk in inone night.
(38:09):
Uh, we're still looking forthat lost city.
But I mean, I mean, we havemegalithic sites underwater
which are not being investigated, which should be being
investigated.
We are, you know, the yonagunicoast of japan.
We have a, you know, a sunken,megalithic uh city.
We see physical evidence ofthis.
It's not geological, that is,you know, artificial in nature.
(38:30):
Uh, I don't know if you guys areaware of charles hapgood's map,
charles hapgood's maps of theancient sea kings, which is
published in 1965.
And an interesting point raisedinside of this book regarding
the Piri Reis map, and it goesback to what you said about the
Atlanteans, laurie.
(38:50):
They cover the Piri Reis map ingreat detail.
And here's the smoking gun.
Charles Hapgood and his team ofstudents at the University of
New Hampshire studied the mapand found numerous anomalies,
such as use of mercatorialprojection I can never say that
(39:13):
word along with the inclusion ofpre-ice age Antarctica.
So what's happened here is thatthey've tested.
I don't explain that.
You know.
Basically, they're saying thatthis isn't the only map that
depicts the Earth as it is today, so to speak.
There are numerous numbers ofmaps, just like the Piraeus map,
(39:37):
that just aren't being lookedat or investigated thoroughly.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
Yeah, I've heard of those.
There are other maps, like thePerry Rees map, but for some
reason the Perry Rees map is theone that gets in our pain.
Speaker 5 (39:51):
Yeah, yeah, well.
So I mean we really can'tdiscuss this topic without
bringing up the novel again thatJoe and I wrote, battle Planet
AD, relic of the Gods.
Because not that we're goingfor some kind of shameless
promotion here, nor give aspoiler, but it is fiction.
(40:16):
But can you imagine how theworld would react if something
like an alien ship came to lightafter being buried somewhere
for thousands of years, like inthe sands of Egypt or down in
the jungles of Peru or whatever?
I honestly believe that theremay well be a ship of
(40:41):
significant size buried milesbelow us, because the pyramids
were buried underneath theground at one time and they were
discovered, and so this thingis possibly out there further
down and is waiting to bediscovered.
So, Aaron, it could be that ifwe have found small artifacts
(41:04):
like the ones we're talkingabout now on the show, then it
could be possible that there aremuch bigger ones, like, say, an
alien spacecraft or some typeof flying vehicle somewhere out
there, wouldn't you say?
Speaker 4 (41:19):
Well, just to rewind Laurie back to our conversation
earlier on the show.
Or some type of flying vehiclesomewhere out there, wouldn't
you say?
Well, just to rewind Laurieback to our conversation earlier
on the show when we weretalking about new-made figurines
.
So there's evidence within thesoil, within Earth, that there
was a mass flood somewhereduring antiquity.
So, within the same region asthe figurines, evidence was
(41:39):
found within layers of soil tosupport mass floods of epic
proportions, as referenced in.
You know the Epic of Gilgamesh,for example.
I'm not sure if you've read theEpic of Gilgamesh.
It's a fascinating text.
It's a 12 tablet text, which isjust mind-blowing, to say the
least.
Of course, all of this is justput down to.
You know, it's mythology.
Uh, you know, greatstorytellers of our, of our
(42:02):
ancient world, um, you know,scholars put all of this, like I
said, put all this down to masshysteria, and that they, uh,
they, they state that the, thesoil samples that throw up
evidence of a, of a great floodspoken of in in most, in mostly
all ancient civilizations andall cultures you speak to, uh,
(42:22):
the, the, the mainstreamacademia, state that, oh,
nothing to see here is, it'sjust where the euphrates and
tiger tigris rivers burst theirbanks well, yeah, you know about
the.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
You know great the story of the great flood.
There is that myth that existsin all cultures that there was a
massive flood and yeah it wouldvary a lot.
I mean, there's a lot of thingsthat could be very well be
buried very deep.
Um, even with our groundpenetrating radar it's not
perfect, a you know, it doesmiss things, um, even something
(42:55):
big.
So is it a matter of timebefore something large is found?
Yeah, and that's where thenovel is kind of centered around
the idea that we do find somehuge spacecraft buried and that
would change the understandingof human history dramatically.
Speaker 4 (43:13):
Yeah, I mean I personally again, I say
personally because I don't wantto speak for anyone else I
personally believe that they'veunearthed many, many, like you
know, in the hundreds ofanomalous relics and, perhaps
you know, ancient spacecraftthat came down in our remote
past.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
I personally believe that our government is in
possession of those ancient,ancient artifacts and, you know,
we're only seeing a smallfraction of what they have
unearthed and they're justgiving us, you know, a little
tidbit you know, and of course,and with the idea of discovering
something big like an alienspaceship buried somewhere, also
comes the understanding thatany government on earth would
(43:57):
take the most drastic measuresto guard it and it well and keep
it in top secret.
And our novel kind of toucheson that idea.
Speaker 4 (44:05):
It's just a white city.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
Yeah, so any information to make its way into
the societal discourse would bescanty, inaccurate and
conspiratorial at best.
We're all aware of theclandestineness that surrounds
the things like our country'sspace program and the black
projects classified.
We knew they exist.
Yeah, military operations,particularly when it comes to
(44:26):
the stories that have been toldabout Area 51 as a place where
alien spacecraft is hidden andbeing reversed, engineered.
Speaker 4 (44:35):
They denied Area 51 for years, and now it's common
knowledge.
Speaker 1 (44:40):
If I were to take a bet, a smoking gun artifact like
that would never see the lightof day in the public eye as so,
as usual, the audience mustdecide upon the veracity of such
a belief.
Guys, any closing statementshere?
Speaker 5 (44:55):
well, I think, uh, you know we talked about the
baltic sea.
Um, anomaly that right there,you know the public they're not
telling the public everythingand you know, listen to that
episode.
And um, because that could be aspacecraft on the bottom of the
baltic sea floor is that?
Speaker 4 (45:13):
that's the one that eerily resembles the millennium
falcon in star wars right yes,yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, I've not
done, you know, as much researchas I probably should on it, but
you know, I've obviously seen.
The imagery of it just remindedme of the millennium falcon in
star wars.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
Yeah, well, they're saying it's a rock formation,
but they don't know what'sunderneath it.
So yeah, while the actual shape, the anomaly, could very well
be rock, they don't know what'sunderneath it.
They haven't been able to testenough or get enough of a
sounding or a measurement todetermine what is underneath it.
Speaker 4 (45:52):
Coincidentally, Joe, they never do, do they?
Speaker 1 (45:54):
No, but the hypothesis being that the rock
formation is on top of somethingelse, something perhaps
artificial, whatever that mightbe.
So, guys, obviously there aredozens, if not hundreds, of
so-called out-of-place artifactsfrom all around the world, and
we've only touched on a very few.
Speaker 4 (46:14):
It's a bunch of surface-small clothes on there.
Speaker 1 (46:16):
Yeah, this was a quick discussion that, I think,
focused on the clues, thephysical remnants that reveal
the possibility that our ancientancestors had indeed come into
contact with extraterrestrials.
The common feature is that whenwe examine them more closely,
we see that they are soexceptional that they may
actually be more correctlycalled alien artifacts.
(46:36):
Correctly called alienartifacts, they don't belong
here on Earth.
They don't belong on Earth forthat point in time when they
should have been constructed.
So are they representative of atechnology existing in the
distant past as being moreadvanced than we've ever
realized?
And could they be the evidencethat has been sought after?
That provides proof of alienintelligence?
(46:57):
And I suppose we have to say,only time will tell.
Speaker 5 (47:01):
Yeah, you're correct, joe.
Time may one day reveal otherartifacts which we talked about.
That will make the heads ofarchaeologists just spin.
So, aaron, hey, it was indeed apleasure to have you join us
again for another intriguingtopic, and we could talk about
this all night, I know, but alltalk about this all night, I
know, but all three of us arequite tired.
(47:22):
But thank you for taking thetime out for you and from your
busy schedule and and from goingto bed at a decent hour to come
on a podcast but but yeah, giveus your final thoughts and a
real quick one, laurie.
Speaker 4 (47:34):
As you were saying about the artifacts becoming on
on earth, they were to.
As you were saying about theartifacts becoming unearthed
over time, it's interesting that, as the ice sheets are starting
to melt in Antarctica, there'stalk of, you know, anomalous
artifacts, sort of you knowpoking their head through the
ice sheets as we speak.
So, you know, as the ice melts,only one can imagine what's
(47:58):
going to happen.
Speaker 1 (48:03):
Like I said time will tell yeah, it's been a pleasure
guys.
Oh yeah, I was just saying itwas a pleasure having you on,
aaron, as always.
And for anyone out there whohasn't already done so, check
out Aaron's social media pagesand follow him on his Facebook
page, ancient Astronaut Theory,where he posts a post I should
say a post of athora ofinsightful and intriguing
stories page, ancient AstronautTheory, where he posts a
plethora of insightful andintriguing stories from all over
(48:23):
the world about thesetremendous discoveries that are
being made every day in thefield of ufology.
So that will do it for ustonight.
We hope you enjoyed the showand that you will ponder the
possibilities as to theotherworldly origins of these
relics that we've discussed.
And on our next episode, uh,laura, you and I are going to go
(48:44):
over the appearing anddisappearing monoliths that have
been seen around the world kindof a recent phenomena.
Our listeners have beenrequesting that we uh do a show
about them and we will do justthat for the next one.
So until then, send us amessage on our website, alien
talk podcastcom.
Check out our Facebook page andwatch our most recent YouTube
(49:06):
video about the Vatican archivesVery interesting, and we also
have our book trailer uploadedto the YouTube page as well.
Speaker 4 (49:14):
Great trailer guys.
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Stay curious.
Hello everybody, thank you for joining us on
Alien Talk Podcast.
This is the show where wediscuss all things about aliens
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Joe Landry and Roy Olford hereonce again to seek out the truth
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So tonight our emphasis onmythology shifts from science
fiction stories to actualarchaeological discoveries,
remnants of antiquity that havebeen unearthed, some all the way
back to the Victorian era.
They are unusual objects asthey seem foreign to the others
that have been recovered fromthe same period.
Instead of looking like otherrelics, they seem to be like
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something that doesn't belongthere, like something out of
place in time.
So could these odditiesresemble things that came from
someone other than our ancientancestors?
Could they be not of humandesign and imagination, but of
extraterrestrial intervention?
Could they be alien artifacts?
We'll examine some of the moreobscure and arcane pieces that
(01:04):
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baffled, as their origins seemto defy our understanding of
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Speaker 1 (02:19):
Okay, just to be straight on this, when we say
alien artifacts, we want to makesure no one misunderstands us
and thinks that they are piecesof elaborate equipment
technology, from another planetthat have been unearthed by
archaeologists like somethingfrom an Indiana Jones movie.
We're not talking aboutsomething like a decked out
spacecraft wreckage buried outnear the Acropolis in Greece, as
(02:40):
cool as that would be.
First, to date, no such thinghas ever been discovered and
second, if it was, theinformation about it would be
deemed highly classified by thegovernments of the world and we
would probably never even beable to know anything about it.
So these things that we arereally talking about are not
artifacts like that no smokingguns, as much as we wish.
(03:02):
No smoking guns, as much as wewish.
Instead, they are relics builtby human hands that show that
their makers possess some kindof understanding about science
that, as far as we know abouthistory, people wouldn't have
obtained back then.
These are called by the genericname of out-of-place artifacts,
and they are objects that aresignificantly ahead of their
times.
Ones that I think prominentlystick out are the Antikythera
(03:26):
mechanism and the Baghdadbattery, and the question that
they bequeath upon us is do suchartifacts, at least indirectly
point to some outside andotherworldly influence.
So to join us in the explorationof this subject is our good
friend and inspirational mentorfrom all the way across the pond
, aaron Long.
(03:46):
As you all know, aaron hasundertaken several research
endeavors from all over in theUK that pertain to Mesopotamian
archaeology and Ice Age geology,and he maintains a worldwide
following on his AncientAstronaut Theory Facebook page,
through which he avails much ofhis information, and he has also
(04:07):
been on our show several timesto share his expertise with us.
So, aaron, it is truly an honorand a privilege to have you
here with us once again as wedelve into a mysterious and one
might even say controversialtopic.
So welcome my friend, and thankyou for being with us at this
very late hour over there, ormaybe it's a very early hour,
whichever it may be yeah, no,it's a complete and it's a
(04:31):
complete honor.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
I'm privileged to be on, you know, season 10 with you
guys.
Um, I always love being on anduh, yeah, I think it's going to
be an intriguing show and, um,yeah, I mean, it is early hours
in the morning here, so it'slike, you know, uh, 2 20 am, uh,
but I've got the coffee on, sooh yeah, you don't drink tea I
(04:54):
do actually drink tea, buttonight I'm drinking strong
coffee.
Guys there you go nice, onenice one joe, bring up tea for
the brit.
That's why.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
And crumpets right yeah, I like tea too.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
Sometimes I drink tea as well yeah, yeah, aaron,
always, uh, always, truly apleasure having you on with us.
Uh, since you were last with us, you've been very busy because
I've been watching your ancientastronaut theory facebook page
quite a bit, liking it, lovingit, and, uh, you have a, you
have us, uh.
(05:24):
You gave us some tremendous uhreview too, for our latest novel
, by the way, that battle planetad, relic of the gods and, and
that was on goodreads and thankyou for that.
So, and uh, we want to just saywe really appreciate what
you're doing for us.
You're really helping us out.
But, uh, you've also been on onthere doing quite a bit uh, or
like for movies or somethinglike interviews, right, how's
(05:47):
that been going for you?
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Oh right Same interviews.
Yeah, first and foremost, you'remore than welcome, guys.
I mean, I want to thank you aswell for personally sending me
the book Battle Lady, relic ofthe Gods Was it Sorry?
Battle Planet, relic of theGods.
It is a beautiful book,beautiful hardcover book and a
(06:10):
fantastic read to boot, and whatI loved is your simplicity in
writing.
Anybody can pick that book upand enjoy it.
I also love the aspects of howyou based your characters on, on
what I perceived as as reallife uh, personalities you know
(06:30):
from from back in the day, fromhynek to you know, uh, maybe in
in the egyptology field.
So you know, um, that that wasa nice little, nice little touch
on your part if it wasdeliberate, that is um.
So I urge anybody anybody who's, who's got an interest in
alternative archaeology or youknow um the ancient alien theory
(06:52):
, ancient national theory thenthen go and grab that book.
You're not going to bedisappointed.
So I'm not just saying that,guys, because I'm on the show.
It's genuinely, you know, areal, real good book and um, I
thank you as well for yourpersonal message in the book to
me.
Speaker 5 (07:05):
so well, thank you so much yeah, yeah, thanks, um, so
yeah, we've been following yourancient astronaut theory
facebook page and noticed that,uh, the past several posts now,
aaron, uh, they've displayedsome like remarkable images of
relics that were found indifferent parts of the of the
world.
And, uh, these are, you know,pieces that were dug up or
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somehow found, I guess, amongthe ruins or sites that belong
to ancient peoples.
So they're not like old toysburied in someone's backyard,
right, and they were located insites of like the remains of
settlements that date backthousands of years, tens of
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thousands of years probably.
And one that is of particularinterest is something called the
Istanbul Rocket.
As its name suggests, it is ondisplay in Istanbul, but was
found in an area known as Tushbain eastern Turkey back in 1973.
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Since then, it has caused quitea stir in the academic community
, because it is a stone carvingdated to about 3,000 years old
and it depicts what seems tolook like a Mercury or a Gemini
space capsule with a man seatedinside of it, and the
resemblance is rather uncanny.
(08:30):
It even has what seem to bethree thrusters on the back of
it Two thrusters, yeah, exactlyyeah, and you pointed out, aaron
, if this is not a hoax and youknow, and it doesn't seem to be
as it is or as gone undergonetesting, then the maker of it is
trying to convey a messagewithout words about what was
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seen back then.
I mean, what would that messagebe, and how certain are we
about that?
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Just to touch on what you said, laurie, about the
artifact being on show withinthe Istanbul Archaeology Museum.
It was on show and they havenow put it in the basement out
of show, and that's due to thefact of too many people asking
questions, and uncomfortablequestions at that, and
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uncomfortable questions at that.
They just don't have any answeras to why this like we call it
in Istanbul rocket, as it'sknown, why this rocket exists
and is 3,000 plus years old.
So what they've done is they'veput it out of the way, taken it
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out of the cabinet, and we'rein the scenario of don't look
here, there's nothing to seehere, scenario which is tragic.
Quite clearly, the artisan, theancient artisan who created
this artefact, was trying toconvey that they witnessed
technology that we have at ourdisposal today.
Back then, if you look closelyat the Istanbul rocket, like you
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said, you have the freeexhausts at the back, you know,
which would propel the object inquestion.
You also see the beam in aseated position that you would
see an astronaut seated todayinside a rocket, and this beam
has what looks to be apressurized space suit.
Uh, the head is missing.
(10:28):
So we can't see a helmetbecause there's no head on.
Unfortunately, there's no headon on the body, um, but it is
quite clearly a you know whatlooks to be identical to that of
a modern day astronaut, uminside a rocket um and also
manipulating controls.
Much like when did they?
Speaker 1 (10:47):
when did they take it off of display?
That must have just been prettyrecent I'm not sure exactly
when.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
So you know I'm not going to go on record to say
when, but they, they have nowtaken it out off display.
Um, they've also sort of thrownthe, the, the, the hoax
scenario out there that this,you know, this is this.
Actually, this is a hoax.
Um, it's not.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
You know, it's quite clearly not a hoax, or they
wouldn't have displayed it inthe first place all right, it
seems like they're trying to uhdo one of those uh hidden
archaeological or hidden, uhhidden history type things again
from us exactly, and it'sinteresting to note where it was
discovered.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
It's discovered, like you said, in tushba in turkey.
We know little to nothing aboutthe civilization in tushba, so
you, you know once again thatthere's a, there's a, you know
somewhat mystique surroundingthis um, unheard of, or or
little known about, civilizationof antiquity.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
So yeah, so the ist, the Istanbul rocket, is just one
of several pieces that resemblea flying craft or a spaceship
Absolutely.
There's a Quimbaya jet thatcomes from Colombia.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
The Quimbaya fire yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Quimbaya jet from Colombia around 1905.
That dates to roughly 500 AD.
There's a scarab birddiscovered near Giza in Egypt in
1898, and that dates to about200 BC.
The designs of these objectshave actually been demonstrated
to be aerodynamically accurate.
Larger scale models of themhave been made to the exact
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ratios of the dimensions ofthese pieces, and they've been
made to fly.
So that leaves us wondering howthe creators of them knew about
the mathematicalinterrelationship of the sizes
and shapes of the wings to makeas accurate as a real airplane
wing.
Such knowledge of fluidmechanics didn't come about
until the 17th century, andheavier-than-air flight didn't
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happen until the 20th century.
So, aaron, it seems that,though, the ancients did have a
scientific understanding of thisand it became lost at some
point.
Do you think these artifactspreserve a story, through the
artistic tradition, about thefar distant past, perhaps even
in prehistoric times, whereadvanced technological machinery
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did exist on Earth?
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Yes, I'm more than convinced that what our ancient
ancestors witnessed, theydepicted and they created for
many generations to come beingus and we're looking at it right
now.
I mean, these artifacts are no,you know, they're no accident.
You know this one, you know,children sat around, just, you
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know, these artifacts are noaccident.
This one, children sat aroundjust making toys out of steam.
They were depicting what theysaw, the aerodynamics of these
crafts and the way they'redepicted, which eerily resemble
that of which we have today likeI said, is no accident yeah,
(13:50):
and you and I were talking realquick, uh, to email and talking
about going way, way back.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
Um, you mentioned something about a, a bullet hole
or something in a that wasfound in a skull that's correct.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
Yeah, it's a bullet hole found in a neanderthal
skull.
Um, you know I, I mean I, youknow, like we speak, I was going
to touch upon that on aseparate episode, completely
separate and and put that withthe footprints that coexist with
dinosaurs as well.
Um, you know they, they, we, wehave scientists in germany, um
(14:25):
examining these, theseneanderthal skulls, and they
state they clearly stated thatthis is a projectile, projectile
at high speed, being a bullet,yeah, and I know people are
probably listening to this goingthis is nuts.
You know this guy or guy ondrugs, you know they.
We have scientists backing it,backing these claims up.
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Yeah, the site that thosescientists, may I add, were were
quickly, were quickly silenced.
Yeah, so that's another storyfor another episode.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
Yeah, Well, I know we touched on it a little while
back, but yeah, there'ssomething to really delve into
deeper, because I'm sure there'smore.
But I mean, oddly enough, theregion where the Istanbul rocket
was discovered is the placewhere the kingdom of Urartu is
thought I think that's how youpronounce it, but to have
dwelled at one time and it wasin the area of northern Iran and
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eastern Turkey and was therearound the 9th century BC until
it was conquered by the Medesaround 550 BC.
So the Istanbul rocket dates toabout that time frame and it
was probably the Eurasians orEurasians who made it.
Now, I'll get your thoughts onthat in a second.
(15:43):
But in this region, in andaround Mesopotamia, we have the
cradle of civilization, which weall know about, as it is called
, and this is where theSumerians, the Akkadians, the
Babylonians, the Assyrians andsome others all flourished from
the 48 to the 3rd century BC.
(16:03):
But before them is one that weknow quite little about, as it
seems to predict the Sumerians,and that's going back beyond
6000 BC, and they are known asthe Eubadians.
Yeah, yeah.
And while they left behind notextual evidence, I don't think
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they did create a very strangeor they did create some very
strange looking figurines.
So, aaron, I mean you do havephotos of them on your Facebook
and I saw them, and, of course,I saw those photos before, and
anyone who sees them can't helpbut notice that they have
reptilian faces, human bodies.
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I guess they're likelizard-like faces.
I guess they're likelizard-like faces.
But does this mean that themakers of these figurines had
some creatures that looked likeand then tried to replicate
their images in the form ofsmall statues?
Speaker 4 (17:05):
I'm glad you brought this up, laurie.
I was hoping you were going tobring it up.
You did.
Yeah, the Ubaid figurines.
So the first excavation ofthese figurines was conducted in
1919 by Henry Hall.
It was only in 1927 that alarger excavation took place by
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British archaeologist, sirLeonard Woolley.
So it's the 1927 digs andexcavations that gained all the
attention.
And these figurines areextremely interesting.
They're anthropomorphicfigurines.
They unearthed up to thehundreds of these figurines.
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They discovered them in thecity of Ur.
Interestingly, this city was abustling metropolis back in the
day and it was said to be thatthis city was where gods walked
among men.
Does this sound familiar?
Just like in Egypt,pre-dynastic Egypt, when the
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gods walked among men?
And here we have these figurinesclearly depicted with, some are
female, um carrying out youknow female activity, as in
breastfeeding their young, uh,these.
This is clearly, clearlydepicted within these uh, small
statuettes.
They're beautifully preservedas well, um, due to the dry
climate of these regions.
So we're very fortunate andlucky to see how um well
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preserved these figurines are.
And then you have the malefigurines with obviously male
genitalia.
This was clear as day, so youcould see the attention to
detail when these artisanscreated these figurines.
Another interesting point onthese figurines are the
elongated craniums, you know,and the coffee bean-like eyes
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that we see all over the world.
We see these same beings inMahenjo-Daro.
We see whole families of themfeeding their young.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Yeah, native American culture has creatures like that
, where the eyes look veryserpentine and lizard-like.
Yeah.
And Ubaid figurines certainlyseem to support a hypothesis
about the existence ofintelligent and sentient
reptiloid and humanoid creaturesfrom the remote past.
(19:26):
But we have to ask in what way?
I mean, did they physicallyexist or do they represent a
theological construct to whichthe ancient people adhered?
We can't say for sure, but itseems like there was at least a
psychological association thatwas once made between the
attributes of reptiles,particularly the snake, and the
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notion of godliness.
And the same can be said forthe capacity to traverse the sky
and the notion of God with thenotion of godliness.
The idea of godliness and beingable to travel through the
heavens was kind of synonymouswith the ancient people.
So, aaron, we have to ask whywould that be?
Why and how did such imageimpress early humans so as to
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think of it as being related tothe divine?
Speaker 4 (20:12):
Yeah, that's a great question.
Uh, great question, joe.
So when we look at theelongated craniums of the
practice people, again, acivilization we know little to
literally zero about, um, we'vegot physical, physical craniums,
uh, which have been tested.
Uh, many people go well, youknow, it's the product of uh
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head binding.
Well, it's not because they'vebeen tested.
They've, they've been tested.
The satchel sutra on the skullsare completely different from
any any, you know, gnome, homosapien.
So, straight away, straight offthe bat, you, you have a
genetic, a distinctive geneticdifference between us and them.
Yeah, uh, so we have physicalevidence of these elongated
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people on earth in our remotepast.
Uh, these, these skulls eerilyresemble those of the ubaid
figurines found in the city ofearth.
So, so, not only have we gotartifacts to to show these, uh,
these, these unknown beings, wehave physical bodies and
physical craniums to to to provethat they once walked, you know
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, on this planet.
So you know, we've, we've, we.
It's like I said, it's not justfigurines, we have physical,
you know, we have physicalanatomies of these beings.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
Well, they're doing, what they're doing, what?
What our, our ancestors aredoing, what we do today.
So they, they didn't havephotographs to take cell phones,
and you know, so they're.
They're making these things sowhich I believe?
They're probably the.
They're probably trying todepict either the anunnaki or
the reptilian race, or probablythey're both actually.
(21:49):
And uh, you so, because thenarrative of the existence of
such a race of beings ispreserved in the Hebrew Bible
Exactly.
Yeah, there is well, theNephilim in Genesis 6, 1 through
5, who, as we know, were giantsaccording to the old scriptures
, the biblical scriptures, and,of course, nephilim in the
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original Hebrew, and they werethe offspring of the Watchers
and human women.
So it was a hybrid race thatwas created, which I believe,
that was us.
And there are the Raphael inNumbers, chapter 13, which are
also giants and are said to bethe sons of Anak Well, anak is
derived from Anunnaki be thesons of Anak.
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Well, anak is derived fromAnunnaki.
They're also referenced severaltimes throughout the book of
Deuteronomy and Joshua, and sowe find this theme throughout
the mythological traditions fromthe cradle of civilization,
such as Egypt, mesopotamia, inwhich the artwork is almost
obsessive toward the idea ofgods coming down from the sky.
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And now, with this idea ofdepictions of aerial technology
like the Istanbul rocket, thereis an object that was discovered
in Egypt in 1936, within thetomb of Sabu, the son of Pharaoh
Anegeb, and dates to around3000 BC.
Now it is known as the schistdisk, sometimes called the Sabu
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disk, and this thing looks likeit could be some kind of
steering wheel or hydraulicimpeller hydraulic impeller, now
, aaron, being that it is madeof schist, which is a delicate
mineral that is difficult to cut, by the way, and curve with
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crude tools.
But what does that say aboutthe way it was crafted, so
precisely at a time which stoneand bronze tools were all that
were around at the time?
Speaker 4 (23:57):
Yeah, well, exactly.
So we're faced with anotherconundrum from our ancient world
.
We are told that this disc isnothing but an incense holder.
It's just absolutely insane,this advanced technology I'm
(24:17):
going to call it advancedtechnology because that's
exactly what it is um, it's onthe show in the cairo museum, uh
, for anybody to to see if, ifyou know, if they ever go to
cairo is is readily available tolook at, which, which surprises
me because, uh, usually thatyou know these, these sort of
out of place or artifacts, orare just swept underneath the
rug and, yeah, it doesn't fit inwith our narrative, so we have
(24:39):
to sort of, you know, put it outof the way.
I want to see that.
I mean, when you look at thisthing, thing, you, you, you
straight away think it, for tome, is part of something larger.
Is, you know, this artifactisn't a singular, um, artifact,
that there was something thatwent with it.
It's part of a large.
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You know it could be a machine,it could have been a massive
machine, it could, you know itcould.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
It was something a much, much more advanced that
for that time period, and this,this was either attached to it
or you know, yeah, and accordingto James Coffey at
HistoryDefinedcom article datedMarch 8th 2023, schist is very
brittle and its name comes fromthe word to split, and there
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have been other relics found ormade of it.
This is the only one ever foundthat exhibits such precision
and how it was cut, carved andshaped.
And how it was cut, carved andshaped.
There are no other designs likeit and it seems to have been
formed flawlessly and perfectlyat the first making.
There are no other ones like it.
There are no duplicates,nothing resembles it even
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closely.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
Well, I mean sorry for the question.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
It was found during the first dynasty of Egypt,
which is a very long time ago,apparently.
Even with ourcomputer-controlled milling and
grinding and cutting machineryof today, it is an extremely
tedious task to replicate theshape of the schist disk.
So, again, this is anout-of-place artifact, and does
it tell a story about losttechnology that existed on Earth
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perhaps even long before thefirst dynasty?
So, laurie, as perfectly formedas it is, we really don't know
what it is meant to be used for,right?
Speaker 5 (26:26):
Well, no, I don't think so.
I mean, the desk is thought bysome scholars to have been used
for brewing beer and to mix andmash the grains with hot water
and such.
So it was a mixing tool, Ithink is what they mostly
believe it is now, uh, with twomixing blades we use like a,
like we use on a handheld mixer,I guess you know, like the ones
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we watched our moms mix cakemix with and we licked the like
the icing off right yeah well,well, this thing was, I guess it
.
It was similar because theymixed other foods and you know,
like meats and fruit with, youknow, with the grains.
Now here's the shocker how didan ancient civilization that far
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back know how to make this kindof tool to do all that that I
just mentioned, tool to do allthat that I just mentioned?
Remember, there are Sumeriancylinder seals and they're
depicting these beings, theselarge beings, like sitting on a
throne, and they are much tallerthan ordinary humans, which is
like six feet, they're like halftheir size handing the plow to
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them, which indicates that thegods provided the tools to them
for cultivation and agriculture.
So perhaps this Schist disk issomething replicated from one of
those said tools.
Right, Aaron?
Speaker 4 (27:49):
I mean, yeah, to add to that, Laurie, this artifact
must have been of extremeimportance and it had huge
significance because it wasburied with a high priest.
You know sabby was a highpriest of, you know, ancient
egypt, so you know, to have beenburied with him, this artifact
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must have been um of high, highsignificance.
You know, if it was, you knowit could, it could have been,
you know, something to grind upthe grains or something to aid
in food preparation, or whathave you.
But for me there's just toomuch significance regarding
where it was.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
That is a good point to bring up there, Aaron,
because if it's just a mixer forfood, why would that be buried
with a priest?
I mean, what would be thepurpose of essentially burying a
kitchen utensil with the priest?
It must have served some otherpurpose.
Perhaps food preparation waspart of it, but there was maybe
some ritualistic importance toit as well.
Speaker 5 (28:53):
Well, since you brought that up, just think
about the meal preparations thatwere made for God back in
during the Levitical sacrificetimes.
I mean, it was holy to haveforks and spoons on the altar of
sacrifice.
So you know they made thosepeople.
Those sacrifices were made tohonor God and to actually feed
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God and the Bible actually saysit's, you know it's, it was food
.
It was food for the gods.
So I could see the, you knowthe, the importance of something
like that possibly being of ahigh religious value and
respected as such.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
Aaron, yeah, I mean, yeah, I completely get your
point, Laurie.
It's great to have a friendlydebate.
I just think we would havefound more everyday utensils
within tombs which we just don'tsee on a large enough scale.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
True.
Well, you know, some of theseartifacts seem to suggest that
their makers knew of technologyfrom beyond their place in time.
There are some that suggestthey knew about what the world
looked like in a highly accurateway, even without the modern
geodetic surveying andcartographic techniques that we
employ today at our disposal.
So that brings us to somethingcalled the Piri Reis map.
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This is a medieval nauticalchart that was found in some
forgotten archive I believe in1929, and it shows in
painstaking detail the outlineof the coast of Antarctica as it
would have looked if the ice isnot there.
It supposedly was drafted in1513 by an Ottoman Navy admiral
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named Piri Reis, and thequestion raises how was he able
to make such a map of thecoastline if it is and was back
in the 16th century, completelycovered and obscured and thus
invisible due to massive sheetsof ice that conceal it?
So, aaron, how could Perry Reeshave had access to such
information that even today,with our capability of aerial
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surveillance and groundpenetrating radar, is tedious
and often with questionablereliability?
Speaker 4 (31:15):
Yeah, the Perry Rees map has to be one of my, one of
my favourites and one of themost mind-boggling pieces we
have on earth today.
And we're still just asmystified now as we were back
then.
So in, like you said, 1929,scholars working in Turkey's
Topkapi Palace Museum discovereda part section of an early 16th
(31:38):
century Turkish worldkish worldmap, and it's made of gazelle
skin, believe it or not?
Um so, so with this map, weonly have a section of the map,
but it's what's depicted on themap.
It's really interesting and thethe uh, the time frame in which
it's depicted, uh, it's.
It's actually signed by aturkish admiral, by, you know
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navy admiral, by the name ofperi reese, hence the name the
peri reese map, right, um and it?
It was obviously dated in 1513.
That's also on the map.
Uh, so that would mean that itwas 21 years after christopher
columbus discovered the newworld, uh, which is interesting
in itself.
So here's the kicker.
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So what you know, mainstreamscholars say well, you know,
piri Rees signed it.
You know he it was Piri Rees,that sort of you know drew the
map up and he signed it, etcetera, blah, blah, blah, blah,
blah.
What they don't often talkabout is the fact that Piri Rees
himself said that he hadsourced 20 previous source maps
and charts to construct the mapitself.
(32:45):
So we have from the horse'smouth being Piri Rees that he
was looking at older maps inorder to construct this map on
Gazelski and we call the PiriReis map today.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
And don't some of these maps actually go back all
the way to the Ptolemaic period,like, probably like a second
century BC?
They're pretty old maps that hereferenced.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
He's telling us that he was sourcing much, much, much
more older source maps.
So the question is what werethese older source maps?
Um?
Where are these source maps?
Um?
But, like I said, we have itfrom the horse's mouth.
So who are we to say you know?
Well, no, he didn't, he didbecause he told us he did.
Um, you know, there'd be noreason to lie if anything, he,
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if, if anything, perry reesewould have said that you know,
it was me that discovered themap, or or created the map.
He would want the full.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Right, I think, some of those older maps that he.
The theory is that thePtolemaic maps that may have
been mentioned, or the originalmaps which were copied later on,
may have been lost in thelibrary of Alexandria when it
was burned in the 5th century.
So we may have been lost in thelibrary of alexandria when it
was burned in the fifth century.
(34:01):
So so what we have are thecopies from that, but they
believe that the original onesthat were made even further back
, you know, second century bc,and they were kept in the
library of alexandria and arelost at time because the library
was, of course, as we knowdestroyed.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
Yeah, we lost so much of our ancient world.
Uh, you know, through theburning of the library of
alexandra is, uh, it's justunquestionable to think what,
what we could have um beenlooking at had that not happened
.
Um, but the here's the realkicker in the mystery of the map
.
Uh, you know, it's got apresence of what appears to be a
representation of Antarctica300 years before it was
(34:41):
discovered.
So, you know, even more mindboggling than that is, you know,
is the Antarctica landmass isdepicted with no ice sheets.
So, you know, the cartographerwas, was was depicted in
Antarctica when it was fertile,when it is a fertile crescent,
so to speak, fertile, green andlush.
(35:01):
So, um, not that, you know, Iwas talking about 300 years
difference just a minute ago.
Now we're going back 6 000 plusyears, you know, for the end of
the last ice age, so to speak,uh, which was 12 500 years ago.
So you know who was thiscartographer?
Um, before the you know thatcreated this map, before the
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antarctic was covered in ice.
Well, who were the travelerswho went?
Speaker 1 (35:26):
down there.
That's the the uh, the bafflingthing.
It's like what you said uh, 300years later is when we attest
the discovery of antarctica Imean, you know the 20th century
and we see what an effort it isto go down there.
It is not an easy trip, it islife threatening, it is
dangerous.
Even today I imagine thousandsof years ago I take a ship down
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into the southern ocean wouldjust be very dangerous, very
difficult, almost.
You know the deterring factorlike why bother doing this?
So much is at risk in terms oflife and limb.
But they did.
Somebody or some group ofpeople did travel there and were
able to not only see the landbut actually chart it.
Speaker 5 (36:18):
Well, aaron, when you mentioned going back like
12,000 plus years ago, well,that brings to mind the you know
what, if the well that's aroundthe time, I guess Atlantis
would possibly have existed andit could have been that those
maps were created by Atlanteansthat knew about the South or
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Antarctica and sailed around itand did these maps, or, as Joe
mentioned earlier, with theKumbaya artifacts earlier.
You know how they were modeledand flew.
You know not only them, but theEgyptian Sakara bird and, of
course, relics like the Istanbulrocket.
If these were engineeredaircraft from antiquity, then it
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is possible that the Piri's mapcould have been drawn up by an
extraterrestrial piloting one ofthese such crafts, even up to
500, 700 years ago.
And I say this because I wasvisiting a museum in Seattle one
year and saw a depiction of theEarth going, going through its
climate uh, like it's a climaticchanges over the thousands of
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years.
And what's interesting is thatduring the 1300s the earth was
depicted as having little to noum ice caps.
So could a flying craft of somekind I mean, there wasn't, no,
there wasn't any uh technologylike we know today back then,
but you know, could a uh flyingcraft of some kind, been
(37:43):
traveling up above at that timemapping the whole area.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
And voila, we have the perry's map yeah, so, yeah,
so, to further elaborate on thatlori, uh, very interesting
points raised regarding the?
Uh, the civilization, well saidcivilization of atlantis.
Uh, as we know, we, we all knowplato's dialogue where he said
you know, atlantis sunk in inone night.
(38:09):
Uh, we're still looking forthat lost city.
But I mean, I mean, we havemegalithic sites underwater
which are not being investigated, which should be being
investigated.
We are, you know, the yonagunicoast of japan.
We have a, you know, a sunken,megalithic uh city.
We see physical evidence ofthis.
It's not geological, that is,you know, artificial in nature.
(38:30):
Uh, I don't know if you guys areaware of charles hapgood's map,
charles hapgood's maps of theancient sea kings, which is
published in 1965.
And an interesting point raisedinside of this book regarding
the Piri Reis map, and it goesback to what you said about the
Atlanteans, laurie.
(38:50):
They cover the Piri Reis map ingreat detail.
And here's the smoking gun.
Charles Hapgood and his team ofstudents at the University of
New Hampshire studied the mapand found numerous anomalies,
such as use of mercatorialprojection I can never say that
(39:13):
word along with the inclusion ofpre-ice age Antarctica.
So what's happened here is thatthey've tested.
I don't explain that.
You know.
Basically, they're saying thatthis isn't the only map that
depicts the Earth as it is today, so to speak.
There are numerous numbers ofmaps, just like the Piraeus map,
(39:37):
that just aren't being lookedat or investigated thoroughly.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
Yeah, I've heard of those.
There are other maps, like thePerry Rees map, but for some
reason the Perry Rees map is theone that gets in our pain.
Speaker 5 (39:51):
Yeah, yeah, well.
So I mean we really can'tdiscuss this topic without
bringing up the novel again thatJoe and I wrote, battle Planet
AD, relic of the Gods.
Because not that we're goingfor some kind of shameless
promotion here, nor give aspoiler, but it is fiction.
(40:16):
But can you imagine how theworld would react if something
like an alien ship came to lightafter being buried somewhere
for thousands of years, like inthe sands of Egypt or down in
the jungles of Peru or whatever?
I honestly believe that theremay well be a ship of
(40:41):
significant size buried milesbelow us, because the pyramids
were buried underneath theground at one time and they were
discovered, and so this thingis possibly out there further
down and is waiting to bediscovered.
So, Aaron, it could be that ifwe have found small artifacts
(41:04):
like the ones we're talkingabout now on the show, then it
could be possible that there aremuch bigger ones, like, say, an
alien spacecraft or some typeof flying vehicle somewhere out
there, wouldn't you say?
Speaker 4 (41:19):
Well, just to rewind Laurie back to our conversation
earlier on the show.
Or some type of flying vehiclesomewhere out there, wouldn't
you say?
Well, just to rewind Laurieback to our conversation earlier
on the show when we weretalking about new-made figurines
.
So there's evidence within thesoil, within Earth, that there
was a mass flood somewhereduring antiquity.
So, within the same region asthe figurines, evidence was
(41:39):
found within layers of soil tosupport mass floods of epic
proportions, as referenced in.
You know the Epic of Gilgamesh,for example.
I'm not sure if you've read theEpic of Gilgamesh.
It's a fascinating text.
It's a 12 tablet text, which isjust mind-blowing, to say the
least.
Of course, all of this is justput down to.
You know, it's mythology.
Uh, you know, greatstorytellers of our, of our
(42:02):
ancient world, um, you know,scholars put all of this, like I
said, put all this down to masshysteria, and that they, uh,
they, they state that the, thesoil samples that throw up
evidence of a, of a great floodspoken of in in most, in mostly
all ancient civilizations andall cultures you speak to, uh,
(42:22):
the, the, the mainstreamacademia, state that, oh,
nothing to see here is, it'sjust where the euphrates and
tiger tigris rivers burst theirbanks well, yeah, you know about
the.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
You know great the story of the great flood.
There is that myth that existsin all cultures that there was a
massive flood and yeah it wouldvary a lot.
I mean, there's a lot of thingsthat could be very well be
buried very deep.
Um, even with our groundpenetrating radar it's not
perfect, a you know, it doesmiss things, um, even something
(42:55):
big.
So is it a matter of timebefore something large is found?
Yeah, and that's where thenovel is kind of centered around
the idea that we do find somehuge spacecraft buried and that
would change the understandingof human history dramatically.
Speaker 4 (43:13):
Yeah, I mean I personally again, I say
personally because I don't wantto speak for anyone else I
personally believe that they'veunearthed many, many, like you
know, in the hundreds ofanomalous relics and, perhaps
you know, ancient spacecraftthat came down in our remote
past.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
I personally believe that our government is in
possession of those ancient,ancient artifacts and, you know,
we're only seeing a smallfraction of what they have
unearthed and they're justgiving us, you know, a little
tidbit you know, and of course,and with the idea of discovering
something big like an alienspaceship buried somewhere, also
comes the understanding thatany government on earth would
(43:57):
take the most drastic measuresto guard it and it well and keep
it in top secret.
And our novel kind of toucheson that idea.
Speaker 4 (44:05):
It's just a white city.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
Yeah, so any information to make its way into
the societal discourse would bescanty, inaccurate and
conspiratorial at best.
We're all aware of theclandestineness that surrounds
the things like our country'sspace program and the black
projects classified.
We knew they exist.
Yeah, military operations,particularly when it comes to
(44:26):
the stories that have been toldabout Area 51 as a place where
alien spacecraft is hidden andbeing reversed, engineered.
Speaker 4 (44:35):
They denied Area 51 for years, and now it's common
knowledge.
Speaker 1 (44:40):
If I were to take a bet, a smoking gun artifact like
that would never see the lightof day in the public eye as so,
as usual, the audience mustdecide upon the veracity of such
a belief.
Guys, any closing statementshere?
Speaker 5 (44:55):
well, I think, uh, you know we talked about the
baltic sea.
Um, anomaly that right there,you know the public they're not
telling the public everythingand you know, listen to that
episode.
And um, because that could be aspacecraft on the bottom of the
baltic sea floor is that?
Speaker 4 (45:13):
that's the one that eerily resembles the millennium
falcon in star wars right yes,yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, I've not
done, you know, as much researchas I probably should on it, but
you know, I've obviously seen.
The imagery of it just remindedme of the millennium falcon in
star wars.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
Yeah, well, they're saying it's a rock formation,
but they don't know what'sunderneath it.
So yeah, while the actual shape, the anomaly, could very well
be rock, they don't know what'sunderneath it.
They haven't been able to testenough or get enough of a
sounding or a measurement todetermine what is underneath it.
Speaker 4 (45:52):
Coincidentally, Joe, they never do, do they?
Speaker 1 (45:54):
No, but the hypothesis being that the rock
formation is on top of somethingelse, something perhaps
artificial, whatever that mightbe.
So, guys, obviously there aredozens, if not hundreds, of
so-called out-of-place artifactsfrom all around the world, and
we've only touched on a very few.
Speaker 4 (46:14):
It's a bunch of surface-small clothes on there.
Speaker 1 (46:16):
Yeah, this was a quick discussion that, I think,
focused on the clues, thephysical remnants that reveal
the possibility that our ancientancestors had indeed come into
contact with extraterrestrials.
The common feature is that whenwe examine them more closely,
we see that they are soexceptional that they may
actually be more correctlycalled alien artifacts.
(46:36):
Correctly called alienartifacts, they don't belong
here on Earth.
They don't belong on Earth forthat point in time when they
should have been constructed.
So are they representative of atechnology existing in the
distant past as being moreadvanced than we've ever
realized?
And could they be the evidencethat has been sought after?
That provides proof of alienintelligence?
(46:57):
And I suppose we have to say,only time will tell.
Speaker 5 (47:01):
Yeah, you're correct, joe.
Time may one day reveal otherartifacts which we talked about.
That will make the heads ofarchaeologists just spin.
So, aaron, hey, it was indeed apleasure to have you join us
again for another intriguingtopic, and we could talk about
this all night, I know, but alltalk about this all night, I
know, but all three of us arequite tired.
(47:22):
But thank you for taking thetime out for you and from your
busy schedule and and from goingto bed at a decent hour to come
on a podcast but but yeah, giveus your final thoughts and a
real quick one, laurie.
Speaker 4 (47:34):
As you were saying about the artifacts becoming on
on earth, they were to.
As you were saying about theartifacts becoming unearthed
over time, it's interesting that, as the ice sheets are starting
to melt in Antarctica, there'stalk of, you know, anomalous
artifacts, sort of you knowpoking their head through the
ice sheets as we speak.
So, you know, as the ice melts,only one can imagine what's
(47:58):
going to happen.
Speaker 1 (48:03):
Like I said time will tell yeah, it's been a pleasure
guys.
Oh yeah, I was just saying itwas a pleasure having you on,
aaron, as always.
And for anyone out there whohasn't already done so, check
out Aaron's social media pagesand follow him on his Facebook
page, ancient Astronaut Theory,where he posts a post I should
say a post of athora ofinsightful and intriguing
stories page, ancient AstronautTheory, where he posts a
plethora of insightful andintriguing stories from all over
(48:23):
the world about thesetremendous discoveries that are
being made every day in thefield of ufology.
So that will do it for ustonight.
We hope you enjoyed the showand that you will ponder the
possibilities as to theotherworldly origins of these
relics that we've discussed.
And on our next episode, uh,laura, you and I are going to go
(48:44):
over the appearing anddisappearing monoliths that have
been seen around the world kindof a recent phenomena.
Our listeners have beenrequesting that we uh do a show
about them and we will do justthat for the next one.
So until then, send us amessage on our website, alien
talk podcastcom.
Check out our Facebook page andwatch our most recent YouTube
(49:06):
video about the Vatican archivesVery interesting, and we also
have our book trailer uploadedto the YouTube page as well.
Speaker 4 (49:14):
Great trailer guys.
Speaker 1 (49:16):
Thanks for giving us a like and subscribe to our
channel and it will help us outgreatly.
And thank you all.
Stay curious.
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