February 5, 2025 • 46 mins
Could our fascination with going to Mars be driven by a forgotten connection to our cosmic ancestors? This episode embarks on an exciting journey through space exploration's past, present, and tantalizing future. We kick off with the imagery of an enigmatic monolith on Phobos, sparking a dialogue that walks the fine line between NASA's geological explanations and the thrilling possibility of extraterrestrial origins. Against the backdrop of SpaceX's groundbreaking advances, we ponder the dynamic role of a great public-private partnerships in fulfilling our interplanetary dreams.
What links Werner von Braun, Elon Musk, and a mythical extraterrestrial named Valiant Thor? We traverse this compelling narrative, highlighting the uncanny parallels from von Braun’s 1953 book, Project Mars, which predates Musk's real-life endeavors on the red planet. The conversation takes delightful detours into the world of Tom Swift novels, literature that has long inspired young minds with its spirited tales of technological triumphs. We aim to understand how these fascinating intersections of fiction and reality continue to shape our perception of innovation and leadership.
As we examine theories about ancient aliens and Martian colonization, we reflect on Ayam Eshed's bold claims of extraterrestrial meetings on Mars and the strategic interests behind such missions. The discussion spans potential undiscovered resources, the shadowy "face on Mars," and sci-fi inspired interpretations of historical texts. These narratives invite listeners to imagine a future where cosmic heritage influences humanity's push towards the stars, weaving together myth, archaeology, and cutting-edge science as we ask: what secrets does Mars hold for our future exploration?
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
We should go boldly where man has not gone before
Fly by the comets, visitasteroids, visit the moon of
Mars.
There's a monolith there, avery unusual structure on this
little potato-shaped object thatgoes around Mars once in seven
hours.
When people find out about that, they're going to say who put
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that there?
Who put that there?
Well, the universe put it there.
If you choose, God put it there.
Joe (00:34):
Hello everyone, thank you for joining us on Alien Talk
Podcast.
This is the show where wediscuss all things related to
aliens and UFOs and, as always,push the limits of our
understanding.
Joe Landry and Laurie Oldfordhere once again to seek the
truth and uncover the factsabout fascinating prospects of
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extraterrestrial life and theexistence of UFOs.
What you just heard was a clipof astronaut Buzz Aldrin taken
from a C-SPAN interview in 2009,and it's now circulating on
TikTok.
Aldrin has appeared severaltimes on C-SPAN over the years
to discuss various topics.
Still, he has most prominentlyemphasized the importance of
returning to the moon and of ourgoal of traveling to Mars.
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Buzz Aldrin has been the mostvocal and public about the lunar
missions from all the Apolloastronauts, and he is only one
of four surviving astronautsfrom the 12 who actually walked
on the moon, the other threebeing David Scott, Charles Duke
and Harrison Schmidt.
None of them have received asmuch media attention over the
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past 50 years as Buzz has.
He has even appeared on severaltelevision sitcoms and kid
shows, making him a householdname.
Laurie (01:48):
Yeah, you are absolutely right, Joe.
When it comes to advocating forinterplanetary exploration, I
can't think of any astronaut whois as passionate about it,
especially the idea of going toMars.
And for being an old guy.
Buzz Aldrin has truly become apersonification of the American
space program, and he hasappeared on television countless
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times.
Besides being on C-SPAN, he haswritten books and been a guest
on Joe Rogan's podcast.
In the clip that we just heard,he mentions that there are
incredible discoveries to bemade in space, such as a
monolith on the surface of themoon of Mars, Phobos.
Believe it or not, it's thesize of a 300-foot-tall building
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, and you can't help but thinkof Stanley Kubrick's film 2001
Space Odyssey when you hearabout that.
Joe (02:42):
Yeah, I know.
The discovery was made in 1998by the Mars Global Surveyor
spacecraft.
About a decade later, the MarsReconnaissance Orbiter captured
images of a similar formation onthe Martian surface.
Now NASA scientists at the JetPropulsion Laboratory proposed
that these structures that looklike monoliths are actually
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geological formations resultingfrom a process known as plastic
ejecta.
This phenomenon occurs when ameteorite impacts a surface,
superheating the material intoliquid streams that rapidly cool
, forming hard stalagmites thatresemble large spikes.
They theorize that the weakgravitational pull of Phobos,
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Mars' smaller moon, could causemolten rock to eject into the
atmosphere more forcefully.
This is one possibleexplanation for the
monolith-like formations.
However, some individuals havespeculated that these structures
could be artificial remnants ofextraterrestrial settlements or
extraterrestrial technology,possibly put in place a very
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long time ago.
Well, here we are already in2025.
It's great to be back, Laurie.
Since we're only doing the showonce a month now, it feels like
too much time has passedwithout us having any meaningful
conversations, don't you think?
Laurie (04:03):
Yeah, no kidding, it's like it's almost going too long
without getting any exercise.
You know, in this case themental exercise like got to get
back on our game.
So it is great to be back.
And for this episode, whichstarts our 11th season, now we
are focusing on the planet Marsand contemplating how soon we
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can expect the first humans toland there, as well as pondering
the possibility that some alienlife forms have already visited
it in the distant past.
So since the dawn of time,people have gazed up at the
stars and asked questions suchas what lies beyond our planet?
Are we alone in the universe?
Can we reach that star orplanet and, if so, how?
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How do we get there?
And if you have been followingrecent events, you are likely
aware of the numerous SpaceXrockets, the Falcon rockets,
launched just in the last pastfew years by SpaceX, whose full
name is actually SpaceExploration Technologies
Corporation, and it's headed bynone other than Elon Musk.
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He has been the big actor inthe news lately, as they are now
the prime contractor with NASAfor facilitating the American
Space Program, of which theStarlink satellite project is
currently the preeminent one, asmany of us know, that is
designed to expand Internetcommunications around the world,
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but they are also deeplyinvolved, and have been for
nearly 20 years now, with theplanning of manned spaceflight
to the planet Mars Right.
Joe (05:44):
Spacex is associated with two major divisions within NASA
the Commercial OrbitalTransportation Services and the
Commercial Crew Development.
These programs were establishedin the early 2000s to transfer
some of the spacecraftmanufacturing costs to the
private sector.
Spacex has emerged as the mostsuccessful company in
demonstrating thispublic-private partnership model
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for spaceflight, and whilethere are other companies like
Boeing and Blue Orion, or Ishould say Blue Origin, which
are also involved, lately it hasbeen the SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket
that has gone up most of thetime.
Actually, when you think aboutall the space assets that have
been employed over the past 60plus years, it is quite
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staggering.
It's almost impossible to thinkof a time, say like when our
parents were kids, that therewere no satellites at all up in
orbit, nothing forcommunications or weather
observation or GPS navigation,and now there are just thousands
and thousands of operationalsatellites of all kinds moving
above the Earth, not to mentionall the ones that are not
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working.
You know all the space junk Now.
The idea of getting a man onMars goes back to the 1960s,
when we were talking aboutgetting a man on the moon.
The planet has alwaysfascinated us.
It is a celestial object in thenight sky that shines
beautifully and brightly with ared hue.
As it is, mars is visible rightnow.
It's in the constellation skythat shines beautifully and
brightly with a red hue.
As it is, mars is visible rightnow.
It's in the constellation Gemini, and the surface is mostly red
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in color due to the high contentof iron oxide within the soil
and rocks.
It has an atmosphere similar toEarth's, but with much less
oxygen and a lot more carbondioxide, as well as being less
dense, it's thinner air, andever since the late 19th century
, there has been the popularbelief that life exists up there
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, as the Italian astronomerGiovanni Scharpelli discovered
in 1877 what he called canali,which were thought to be canals
or channels, and this led tospeculation that they were
constructed by intelligentMartian life forms so as to
direct water from the seasonalmelting of the planet's polar
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ice caps to places that areclose to the equator.
If that was so, then they couldfunction to possibly supply
inhabited cities and irrigatelands that are used to support
agriculture and thus supportlife on the planet.
Laurie (08:09):
Right and you've got to bear with me here, I'm
struggling with this sciaticanerve and there are drawings and
sketches of these canals onMars where they're published in
several magazines and newspapersthroughout Europe and the
United States, and it madepeople wonder if there was life
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on Mars.
As the idea of space travelstarted to become more of a
reality in the 20th century, thequestion became could we go
there and live like we do hereon Earth?
Now that we are in the 20thcentury, we seem to be making
steady progress toward the goalof sending humans to Mars, and
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this effort is primarily led byElon Musk, the owner and CEO of
some big companies SpaceX.
Of course, there's Tesla and X,formerly an X, formerly known
as Twitter.
So he's a really smart guy andhe is in the top five wealthiest
people on Earth, and thisaccording to Forbescom.
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And, like Oba Zadran, he isvery passionate about not only
sending humans to Mars, but alsomaking it so that we can
colonize it and sustain apermanent presence there.
Joe (09:27):
So, out of all the planets, Mars is really the only one
where a human presence is evenconceivable, even though we
cannot live on the planetwithout adequate and
sophisticated life supportsystems.
Its atmosphere, its climate,its gravity, its lack of water
would not allow us to survivethere without a whole lot of
modifications made toaccommodate us.
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But it's still far moreplausible to go there than, say,
to go to Jupiter, Saturn or anyof those outer planets which
are all gaseous and too distant.
No way for Mercury and Venus,not any of the moons out there
either.
Mars is the only one that, evenclosely, is compatible with
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Earth.
Now, some of us are old enoughto remember the Viking probes
that were sent there back in the1970s Vikings 1 and 2.
They were the first onesactually to land on the surface,
actually to land on the surface, and these were also the ones
that gave us the first images ofCydonia, which is the location
of the famous "face on Mars thatmany of us have seen.
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There were four that wentbefore Viking Mariner 4 in 1964,
mariners 5 and 6 in 1969, andMariner 9 in 1971.
They were only orbiters thateventually burned up in the
Martian atmosphere.
Laurie (10:47):
Yeah, there was a long period of inactivity until about
1996, when the United Stateslaunched the Pathfinder.
The mission successfully landedand deployed the first rover
that was called Sojourner, whichoperated for 84 days, and from
1998 to 2020, numerous landerand rover missions were sent to
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Mars, to include thePerseverance, and the most
recent mission, ingenuity,marked the first successful
helicopter deployment to flyover the Martian surface.
Joe (11:24):
And, of course, various nations besides the United
States, have espousedaspirations to explore Mars.
The Soviet Union, for instance,is known to have launched over
15 probes aimed at Mars, atleast as far as we know, with 11
of these messages resulting infailures either at launch or
during descent.
(11:45):
Again, that's as far as we know.
Since the dissolution of theUSSR, russia has conducted three
additional Mars missions, oneof which achieved success as a
collaborative effort with theEuropean Space Agency in 2016.
And, furthermore, the People'sRepublic of China has made
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significant strides in Martianexploration by successfully
deploying a lander in 2020.
In addition to these, over thepast 25 years, india, japan and
the United Arab Emirates havelaunched orbiters and probes,
contributing to ourunderstanding of Mars through
flybys and orbital observations.
Laurie (12:28):
And so Wernher von Braun .
He published a novel way backin I don't know if it was 1948
or 1953.
But remember he was theexpatriated German scientist who
came to the US after World WarII and essentially became the
father of the Apollo LunarProgram.
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So his book, called ProjectMars: A Technical Tale actually
gets into describing whatsociety on Mars would be like.
And in chapter 24, which istitled how Mars is governed, von
Braun describes a Martiangovernment comprised of 10
leaders, with one designed ordesignated as the chief
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executive referred to as Elon.
Strange right.
But this leader is electedthrough a universal suffrage
system for a five-year term, andthe legislature consists of two
houses responsible for enactinglaws that Elon and his cabinet
execute.
So the upper house, known asthe Council of the Elders, is
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made up of 60 members who areappointed for life by Elon, and
these two cabinets remind me ofthe Republican and Democrat
parties, don't they?
And with Elon Musk assigned tothe Trump's administration's
Department of GovernmentEfficiency, it seems that a sort
of prophecy, I guess, isunfolding.
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So, Elon Musk did say we'regoing to take Doge to Mars.
Joe (14:03):
That's something else.
Is that a coincidence or what?
I don't know, and this narrativesurrounding the potential
establishment of a humanpresence on Mars prompts us into
significant discourseconcerning the sociopolitical
frameworks that may develop.
Will it resemble a democracy, orwill it assume a more
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authoritarian structure,something akin to a military
hierarchy?
Also, we have to wonder howpervasive the role of AI will be
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in helping us achieve such agoal.
Would our ability to thrive onanother world be completely
dependent on the capacity ofsophisticated and complex
software algorithms so as tomaintain control of the
biosphere that we would inhabitand how we would interface with
it?
And the feasibility anddifficulty of this enterprise
should not be underestimated.
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Yet we know from theaccomplishments of the Apollo
program that there is a robustevidence showing the human
ability to carry out challengingspace missions.
Furthermore, the current era,marked by the aspirations of
visionary individuals like ElonMusk, suggests a ripe
opportunity for advancinghumanity's ventures into space
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exploration.
This intersection of ambitionand technological capability
could very well catalyze a newchapter in our collective
journey beyond the earth in arecent tweet uh, elon musk
responded to a user.
Laurie (15:40):
It was named, named space subduer.
Uh, sharing it with the caption, how can the parallel, how can
the parallels be real?
And the post said the 1953 bookMars Project, another one
written by Werner von Braun,says the leader of Mars shall be
called Elon.
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I think it's the same bookactually we mentioned earlier,
but anyway, someone pulled theoriginal German manuscript from
the archives to debunk this myth, only to confirm that von Braun
predicted he would be calledElon and this was discussed in
an article calledmoneycontrolcomcdnampprojectorg
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and it dated just last week,january 28th to be exact,
explaining that when the excerptfrom the book was translated
into English, it describedMartian governance, saying
explaining that when the excerptfrom the book was translated
into English, it describedMartian governance saying and
this is the excerpt it wasconnected with that inner
commitment to action which wasalso the driving force in the
development of Martiancivilization.
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The management of the terrorconsisted of 10 vessels.
At their head was a man who wasawakened by a Ginnet Now, I've
tried to look up this word,ginnet, and I think the closest
thing I get to it is called, soI don't know awakened by a
called population for five yearsat a time whom the Martians
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called Elon, a time whom theMartians called Elon, but
opposite Elon and my cabinetthis is still the excerpt there
was a parliament who decided onthe laws according to which the
cabinet had to govern.
After Musk shared the Tweet, itignited a storm of responses,
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now speculating about hisextraterrestrial origins.
So people questioned whether hewas an alien or even a time
traveler.
Musk even joked by reacting tohim being a time traveler,
tweeting.
No matter how often I tellpeople that I'm a 5,000-year-old
alien time traveler, they don'tbelieve me.
But when reflecting on ElonMusk, I often draw a parallel to
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that character, valiant Thor,as he embodies a similar persona
.
So, if you recall, we talkedabout him being a purported
extraterrestrial visitor fromthe planet Venus, and in 1957,
valiant Thor and two othersarrived on Earth where they
encountered a police officer whosubsequently took them to the
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Pentagon and later engaged withgovernment officials.
His story is sort of likefolklore and is regarded by some
ufologists and conspiracytheorists as the way by which US
leaders were provided withadvanced technology as the way
by which US leaders wereprovided with advanced
technology.
Joe (18:35):
I'm trying to look up the word cald.
If it's some foreign word thatI'm not familiar with, I don't
know what the meaning is I'm notfinding anything here, but I
see it's an acronym forculturally and logistically
diverse.
I don't know if that pertainsto um the book, um Project Mars.
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I'm not sure what that wordwould mean.
Though, call, do you have anyidea?
Laurie (19:00):
no, I, because again it also uh means animal too, like
uh any, uh any of a uh geneta ofa small old world, usually
carnivorous.
They're red mammals related tothe civics.
I don't know, it's weird.
Nothing shows that.
Joe (19:23):
Context with what he's writing about.
Laurie (19:27):
That was Von Braun back in 1953, or whatever.
Joe (19:31):
That genius and he's speaking.
He's writing gibberish in hisnovel, but Valiant Thor, of
course he's believed to still bearound today, maybe living
somewhere in Nevada.
There are actually bookswritten that have him named as
the author, ones that are titledAlien Soul Quest and the Secret
Bases of the Inner Earth.
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So, it's most likely justsomeone using a snazzy pen name.
Now, I don't think Elon Muskand Valiant Thor are one and the
same person, but the sort ofcultural depiction of a person
who is super smart, getting inwith top-level government
officials so as to imparthigh-tech innovation at an
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amazingly quick pace, does makethe comparison much more vivid.
Keep in mind that Elon Musk hasbeen on the cutting edge with
this kind of research anddevelopment for many years, long
before he came into the Trumpadministration, so he is
certainly the juggernaut ofprojects that are seemingly out
of this world.
So you know, laurie, when I wasa kid about 12 years old or so
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I like to read Tom Swift novels.
Do you remember those?
Laurie (20:42):
Yeah, well, they're kind of old, aren't they?
Like from the 50s.
So you're dating yourself here,joe.
But yeah, they, they had somecool technology or technological
and inventions in the stories,right.
Joe (20:59):
Yeah, and discussing the legacy of the Tom Swift series,
it's not worthy that there areseveral newer iterations haven't
published just within the pastdecade, albeit probably with the
involvement of ghostwriters,and these stories center around
the character of Tom Swift, norelation to Taylor Swift, and
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Tom Swift is a teenage scientistand inventor who embarks on a
variety of innovative andadventurous pursuits.
And they were good stories, Imean, I liked reading them.
Um, and the ones I got a holdof, they were pretty old, um,
yeah, going back to the 1950s,and, uh, even for that time it
was pretty dated.
Uh, and the time I was readingthem, let's say, it's 1980, 1981
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.
So yes, I think again reallydating myself, here there
probably people who have neverheard of this story at all.
It is Tom Swift, but theoriginal novels possess a unique
and imaginative quality thatresonate with the themes
commonly found in exploringscience fiction.
A particularly interesting oneis titled Tom Swift and His
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Outpost in Space.
There were other ones calledTom Swift and His Giant Robot,
tom Swift and His Jet Marine.
I liked them when I was a kid.
And Tom Swift and His Outpost inSpace.
It's a space station and fromhow it's depicted, it seems to
prelude the International SpaceStation, only much better.
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This thing was, in the story,over a thousand miles above the
Earth and had the capability todock multiple rocket ships so as
to get supplies and fuel toready themselves for trips to
other planets such as Mars.
So this whole concept isnothing at all new to science
fiction writers, and itcertainly isn't anything new to
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the inspiration of visionaryentrepreneurs and visionary
scientists.
It is almost an obsession forhumanity, a drive that seems to
well up from the depths of thesoul.
And could it be that there is asublimated longing to go there
because, embedded within thelatent strata of our
subconscious minds about ithaving some memory of our
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ancestors already being there?
Laurie (23:21):
Yeah, or it could be the explorer in all of us.
Well, the exploration of Marsis not just a scientific pursuit
, but rather intersects with adeeper, perhaps instinctive,
aspiration inherent to us thatstems from a reservoir of
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collective memories ingrained inour subconscious, suggesting an
ancestral familiarity with theMartian landscapes.
Ancient alien theory provides acompelling framework to explore
this notion further, proposingthat humanity's connection to
extraterrestrial entities andplaces might be more profound
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than previously acknowledged.
The significant financialinvestments made by governmental
and private citizens in Martianexpeditions raise pertinent
questions regarding themotivations behind this focus.
It invites speculation onwhether Mars could be viewed as
a potential cradle for humanorigins, thereby redefining our
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understanding ofextraterrestrial heritage.
So you asked what kind ofsociopolitical framework or
apparatus there would be forpeople living on Mars.
With that, one must considerthe implications of
organizations that possessclassified information,
potentially influencing thesedevelopments on another world,
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and this may suggest that Marsis not merely be a destination,
but rather a site of historicaland cultural significance that
could reshape our understandingof human civilization itself.
Joe (25:07):
Yeah, and with that the inquiry into the alleged
advanced alien civilizations.
It gets more convoluted andcomplicated when you think about
something like Atlantis, whenyou're looking at this narrative
.
If such civilizations indeedexisted, one could posit the
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likelihood of their originsbeing linked to Mars.
We also know from exploring themythology of the Anunnaki, and
their proposed connections toeither Atlantis or a distinct
extraterrestrial lineage demandsa deeper engagement within
historical texts andcontemporary archaeological
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findings.
So it's a multi-facetedexamination which encourages a
broader understanding of ourplace within the cosmos and the
socio-cultural structures thatarise as we extend our reach
beyond Earth.
And while conclusive evidencesupporting these hypotheses
remain very elusive at best, thewealth of documented histories
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and oral traditionssignificantly stimulates our
curiosity about possibleextraterrestrial roots that may
be found on the planet Mars.
Extraterrestrial roots that maybe found on the planet Mars.
And this intrinsic pursuit ofknowledge constitutes a
fundamental dimension of thehuman experience which compels
us to investigate that which isboth feasible as well as
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extraordinary, and a closerinspection of ancient texts,
notably the last book of Enki,and that was written by
Zacharias Hitchin.
It highlights the case of Alalu, the deposed king of Nibiru,
who reportedly met his demise onMars and is designated in these
narratives as Lamu After hisdeath.
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It is asserted that plans wereformulated to establish way
stations to facilitate travelbetween Earth and Nibiru and
vice versa, and the first ofthese way stations was situated
on Mars, where it is estimatedthat approximately 300 Agigi
were assigned to labor.
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These are the species that werelower on the evolutionary
ladder, let's just say, than theAnunnaki, and they were
followed by the establishment ofanother station, which was on
the moon.
Laurie (27:37):
Yeah, like a subculture of the Anunnaki or something.
Yeah, but yeah, and you know,for those of you that say, well,
the Lost Book of Enki, that'ssupposed to be a fiction.
It's actually what Sitchin wassaying, was that?
No, the tablets.
When he was translating thosetablets, the areas that were
missing, he pieced together andtook what he believed from the
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Akkadian.
Using Akkadian and Egyptian andSumerian languages, he brought
to life what he thought thatwould be.
So because of that it's labeledas a fiction.
But he did translate themajority of those texts and just
pieced it together.
Anyway, the narrative indicatesin this story that Adalu was
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honored due to his status as thefirst king to die on an
extraterrestrial body.
In a notable archaeologicaldiscovery, his remains were
reportedly found within a caveon Mars, prompting the
construction of a monument toresemble his visage adorned with
a helmet, or his visage adornedwith a helmet, and this
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monument has drawn parallels tothe image famously captured by
NASA in 1976, often referred toas the face on Mars.
According to Sumerian beliefs,this representation was meant to
orient itself toward the planetNibiru.
Joe (29:02):
That's fascinating.
Well, NASA has since providedenhanced imaging of that site
over the last almost 50 years.
They maintain that there is nodiscernible facial features.
Alternative interpretationsuggests that structural details
resembling features such aseyes, nose and the mouth are
still identifiable despiteerosion over millennia.
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It is also posited that themonument may have suffered
damage due to the harshenvironment up there, harsh
weather, the high winds on theplanet and, furthermore,
historical accounts suggest thepossibility of surface
alteration on Mars, even to thepoint of there being a nuclear
conflict with the Anunnaki,which is told in the story of
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their confrontation with Marduk.
Yeah, which is an explanationfor that long trench-looking
scar across Mars, like thecanyon that goes across the
distance of the United States.
Laurie (30:09):
Yeah, which could be.
We don't know.
So anything's possible.
But this discourse invites acritical examination of the
intersection between the ancientnarratives and the contemporary
archaeological findings and theimplications of differing
interpretations from prevailingscientific perspectives.
And this might be a reason forour going to Mars.
The government and SpaceX mayknow even more about these
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ancient events on Mars.
Another interesting thing aboutMars is when we played this
clip at the beginning of theshow where former astronaut Buzz
Aldrin stated in that interviewthere's a monolith on the moon
of Mars.
When people find out about that, they'll say who put that there
?
Who put that there?
Joe (30:54):
You know.
And at the very end it almostseemed like he was trying to
almost walk back a little bitfrom that, like he kind of was
hesitant to say you know anymore.
He realized he wasn't supposedto say that at all.
There was some laughter andright after that he commented uh
, well, well, the universe putit there.
Or, if you choose to believe,you know, god put it there.
(31:14):
Uh, so he was seemed like hewas trying to backtrack.
Um, making it sound like themonolith was simply a result of
a natural formation, which is,you know, the explanation given
by the Jack PropulsionLaboratory, or it could be from
a religious perspective or adivine act.
He's just kind of again thrownout there as whichever
interpretation you want to take.
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However we believe thismonolith may be, it could be
that this monolith may have beenplaced there by the gods not
necessarily God with a capital G.
But if you look at Buzz'sbehavior, he's clearly excited.
I mean he's almost amped up.
He knows about the monolith onthe moon of Mars and gets pretty
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excited when he asks you knowwho put it there?
Who put it there?
Excited when he asks you knowwho put it there?
Who put it there?
After asking this, he feels theneed to attribute either the
universe or to God.
Could he be referring to gods,as we have in the ancient alien
context of gods beingextraterrestrials?
Laurie (32:18):
No, definitely.
Well, according to ZechariahSitchin's Earth Chronicle
series, Mars served as awaypoint for the Anunnaki mining
operations and there the Igigirefined gold for transport on
cargo ships to Nibiru, where itwould be dispersed into its
atmosphere.
Additionally, there have beenreports from prominent figures
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like former Israeli space chiefAyam Eshed, who claims that
aliens exist on Mars.
Eshed is a scientist and aretired brigadier general in the
Israeli military, oftenregarded as the father of
Israel's space program, and hehas been a professor of
aeronautics and astronautics anddirected Israel's space program
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for 30 years, during which helaunched approximately 20
Israeli-made satellites intospace.
So Eshed is a very credibleperson, and he has brought
attention to a conspiracy theoryby stating the United or the
Unidentified Flying Objects haveasked not to publish.
He's talking about the aliens,I guess of those flying objects
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have asked not to publish thatthey are here.
Humanity is not ready yet.
They are equally curious abouthumanity and seek to understand
the universe's fabric.
And he also mentioned theexistence of an underground base
on Mars where Americanastronauts and alien
representatives reportedly meet.
Joe (33:49):
Well you know, there are also some who claim that
President Trump was on the brinkof disclosing significant
information regardingextraterrestrial phenomena
during his first term.
However, he was allegedlyadvised against it that such
disclosure would incite masshysteria, and this is an
understandable notion here,considering the general public
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may not be fully prepared forthe implications of such a
revelation, despite theprevalence of this theme in our
popular culture, which includesfilms, literature, documentaries
, even including the ancientaliens TV show on the History
Channel.
An actual, full disclosurecould potentially trigger a
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widespread alarm, particularlyif large alien spacecraft were
to appear in our skies.
How would humanity respond tothat?
I don't think they wouldrespond well.
Humanity respond to that?
I don't think they wouldrespond well.
Furthermore, it contemplatesthe motivations behind
high-profile figures like Trumpand Musk, as well as NASA's
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intensified interest in Marsexploration Makes you wonder if
there is going to be adisclosure, if it will happen
during Trump's second term.
Who knows?
Right now, anything is possiblewith the way things are going,
and during his inaugurationspeech back on January 20th, if
you recall, he emphasized thatspace exploration is on a
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significant rise right now andthat the questions about the
underlying objective is a pushtowards Mars.
He almost gave a mandate,similar to what Kennedy did back
in the 60s, that the UnitedStates will put a man on the
moon, he claimed.
The United States will onceagain consider itself a growing
nation that increases our wealth, expands our territory, builds
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our cities, raises ourexpectations and carries our
flag into new and beautifulhorizons.
And we will pursue our manifestdestiny into the stars,
launching American astronauts toplant the stars and stripes on
the planet Mars.
Laurie (35:56):
Yeah, he made some important points in his speech,
emphasizing the need to expandour territory, elevate our
expectations and carry our flagto new and beautiful horizons.
Now I believe he was probablyreferring to Greenland when he
mentioned expanding ourterritory maybe even Canada,
(36:16):
where I'm from, but he mightalso have been considering
claiming Mars as Americanterritory.
So Greenland is rich inprecious minerals and it's
strategically important forNorth America's future defense.
Earlier, we discussed whetherthere might be something on Mars
that we need.
(36:36):
So is there something therethat the government knows about
but the public does not?
Are there precious minerals onMars as well that we don't know
of?
And this reminds me of scriptureverses in the book of Ezekiel
that describe the preciousstones and minerals found in the
Garden of Eden, including thegems, rubies, topaz, emeralds,
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quartz, onks, jasper, sapphires,turquoise, crystallite and gold
.
You know these preciousminerals were what the Adamu had
to mine in Eden, as describedin the Sumerian tablets.
You know, for the gods.
The gods wanted this and itparallels the biblical story.
God placed Adam in the Gardenof Eden, where the gold is good.
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So humans have always beenfascinated by precious minerals,
just as the gods were.
I mean, just visit Tucson,arizona, during this time of
year.
I was there yesterday.
You'll see large areas of tintsthroughout the city displaying
gems and minerals from aroundthe world at the Tucson Gem and
Mineral Show from around theworld at the Tucson Gem and
(37:45):
Mineral Show.
Joe (37:45):
Yeah, it is a pretty astonishing display of all kinds
of things.
I mean it's just gemstones fromall over the world.
I mean places you wouldn'tthink they even have such
gemstones.
But yeah, it's reallyfascinating to see.
And we've heard that you knowSpaceX is targeting its
(38:08):
inaugural crewed missions toMars.
They want that to happen by theyear 2028.
Conversely, NASA has scheduledsimilar missions for the 2030s,
and this is according to theirown website at NASA.
gov.
So presently they are enhancingthe lunar exploration
initiatives with the objectiveof commencing missions to the
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moon as early as 2027, which iscoming up really quickly.
It'll be interesting to see ifthey actually make that.
And this undertaking issupported by a government
contract estimated to reachnearly $3 billion, highlighting
the significant financialcommitment to advancing space
exploration.
(38:50):
And no matter how onepersonally feels about all this,
it will all be very interestingto watch and see how it unfolds
.
I think that $3 billion isprobably going to be more
closely a trillion when it allgets said and done with trying
to get assets not only to Moonbut then to Mars.
Laurie (39:12):
Yeah, absolutely.
Either way, it's going to be alot of money.
And now, before we go, we wantto leave you with something to
look at and form your ownopinion about, because on Monday
I came across an article titledwhat is Everyone Talking About?
The Square Structure Capturedon Mars on my browser.
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This came through on my browser, so the piece was published on
iflscience.
com and it was written by JamesFilton and it was edited by
Laura Simmons.
So the article discusses animage of a square structure
captured by the Mars GlobalSurveyor, the MGS, and the Mars
Orbiter Camera, the MOC,claiming it as an actual image
(39:57):
of a square feature.
The topic gained significantattention after Joe Rogan and
Elon Musk discussed it, withMusk posting on X we should send
astronauts to Mars toinvestigate.
Joe (40:11):
Yeah, I caught that article and the authors did mention the
possibility that the imagemight have been altered.
Can't rule that out.
However, they do assert that itis real, noting that you can
see the square, and you can.
It looks like part of it iscovered by soil.
It almost looks like an oldsettlement, like an ancient
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settlement, like you'd find theruins of a city somewhere in a
desert.
So if you fill in theconnecting lines in your own
mind, you can kind of see that,and surely you can.
According to Arizona StateUniversity's Mars Image Explorer
, this square measures about 1.9miles across, so it's not small
(40:55):
.
According to IFL Science, peopleare speculating, claiming that
nature does create suchstructures, and that's a
statement that is.
Or they say that nature doesnot create such structures, and
that's a statement that is.
Or they say that nature doesnot create such structures.
That statement is not accurateand that the structure may be.
It could be a buried ancientstructure built by
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extraterrestrials, such as likea pyramid, but geometric shapes
do form in natural formations.
It is considered the hexagonalcolumns at Giant's Causeway on
the coast of Ireland and alsothe polar hexagons that are seen
on Saturn.
However, there is usually moreof a pattern or arrangement of
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shapes within natural features.
The square on Mars is singularand stands out by itself, and
I'm guessing we'll need to get acloser look at it to know more,
and that will do it for ustoday.
So please visit alien talkpodcast.
com to let us know your thoughtson this and if you enjoyed the
show.
We would love to hear from you.
Laurie (42:02):
Yeah, and remember folks , we, we, we have a YouTube
channel as well, so please visitit and show your support by
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Joe (42:16):
Certainly, and we invite you to join us in our next
discussion next month, wherewe'll be engaging with a
distinguished colleague who alsoserves as a chaplain.
Is that correct, lori?
He is a chaplain with youragency.
Laurie (42:31):
Yeah, I think he's a local chaplain for a lot of the
agencies in our area.
Joe (42:36):
Nice guy, yeah, so this topic which we're referring,
we're going to delve into thecomplex interplay that we find
between the ancient astronauttheory and Christian theology,
and this conversation, I think,promises to be quite insightful,
and we intend to addressseveral points, some of them
(42:58):
that were raised in a recentdebate.
Many of you may have seen thison YouTube.
It did get quite a lot of hits.
It's between Wes Huff, who wasa Christian apologist, and Billy
Carson, who was an ancientalien theorist.
It was on a podcast calledElevated and it made it to
YouTube, where it has had over1.3 million views and it has
(43:23):
garnered significant attentionacross social media platforms.
Is that where you saw it, ordid you see it on YouTube, or
did you get it on like Facebook?
Laurie (43:33):
No, it was on YouTube.
That's where I saw it, okay.
Joe (43:36):
And, additionally, we plan to produce a YouTube video of
our own for the show next month,so as to analyze the various
aspects and arguments presentedin such a debate, which is quite
complex and pervasive, and wewant to do so with critical and
sober-mindedness.
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So, until we meet again, weencourage you to remain
inquisitive when it comes to alltopics of discussion, and we'll
be wishing all of you a safeand interesting month coming up
ahead.
So stay curious, everyone.
We should go boldly where man has not gone before
Fly by the comets, visitasteroids, visit the moon of
Mars.
There's a monolith there, avery unusual structure on this
little potato-shaped object thatgoes around Mars once in seven
hours.
When people find out about that, they're going to say who put
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that there?
Who put that there?
Well, the universe put it there.
If you choose, God put it there.
Joe (00:34):
Hello everyone, thank you for joining us on Alien Talk
Podcast.
This is the show where wediscuss all things related to
aliens and UFOs and, as always,push the limits of our
understanding.
Joe Landry and Laurie Oldfordhere once again to seek the
truth and uncover the factsabout fascinating prospects of
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extraterrestrial life and theexistence of UFOs.
What you just heard was a clipof astronaut Buzz Aldrin taken
from a C-SPAN interview in 2009,and it's now circulating on
TikTok.
Aldrin has appeared severaltimes on C-SPAN over the years
to discuss various topics.
Still, he has most prominentlyemphasized the importance of
returning to the moon and of ourgoal of traveling to Mars.
(01:18):
Buzz Aldrin has been the mostvocal and public about the lunar
missions from all the Apolloastronauts, and he is only one
of four surviving astronautsfrom the 12 who actually walked
on the moon, the other threebeing David Scott, Charles Duke
and Harrison Schmidt.
None of them have received asmuch media attention over the
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past 50 years as Buzz has.
He has even appeared on severaltelevision sitcoms and kid
shows, making him a householdname.
Laurie (01:48):
Yeah, you are absolutely right, Joe.
When it comes to advocating forinterplanetary exploration, I
can't think of any astronaut whois as passionate about it,
especially the idea of going toMars.
And for being an old guy.
Buzz Aldrin has truly become apersonification of the American
space program, and he hasappeared on television countless
(02:11):
times.
Besides being on C-SPAN, he haswritten books and been a guest
on Joe Rogan's podcast.
In the clip that we just heard,he mentions that there are
incredible discoveries to bemade in space, such as a
monolith on the surface of themoon of Mars, Phobos.
Believe it or not, it's thesize of a 300-foot-tall building
(02:34):
, and you can't help but thinkof Stanley Kubrick's film 2001
Space Odyssey when you hearabout that.
Joe (02:42):
Yeah, I know.
The discovery was made in 1998by the Mars Global Surveyor
spacecraft.
About a decade later, the MarsReconnaissance Orbiter captured
images of a similar formation onthe Martian surface.
Now NASA scientists at the JetPropulsion Laboratory proposed
that these structures that looklike monoliths are actually
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geological formations resultingfrom a process known as plastic
ejecta.
This phenomenon occurs when ameteorite impacts a surface,
superheating the material intoliquid streams that rapidly cool
, forming hard stalagmites thatresemble large spikes.
They theorize that the weakgravitational pull of Phobos,
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Mars' smaller moon, could causemolten rock to eject into the
atmosphere more forcefully.
This is one possibleexplanation for the
monolith-like formations.
However, some individuals havespeculated that these structures
could be artificial remnants ofextraterrestrial settlements or
extraterrestrial technology,possibly put in place a very
(03:48):
long time ago.
Well, here we are already in2025.
It's great to be back, Laurie.
Since we're only doing the showonce a month now, it feels like
too much time has passedwithout us having any meaningful
conversations, don't you think?
Laurie (04:03):
Yeah, no kidding, it's like it's almost going too long
without getting any exercise.
You know, in this case themental exercise like got to get
back on our game.
So it is great to be back.
And for this episode, whichstarts our 11th season, now we
are focusing on the planet Marsand contemplating how soon we
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can expect the first humans toland there, as well as pondering
the possibility that some alienlife forms have already visited
it in the distant past.
So since the dawn of time,people have gazed up at the
stars and asked questions suchas what lies beyond our planet?
Are we alone in the universe?
Can we reach that star orplanet and, if so, how?
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How do we get there?
And if you have been followingrecent events, you are likely
aware of the numerous SpaceXrockets, the Falcon rockets,
launched just in the last pastfew years by SpaceX, whose full
name is actually SpaceExploration Technologies
Corporation, and it's headed bynone other than Elon Musk.
(05:09):
He has been the big actor inthe news lately, as they are now
the prime contractor with NASAfor facilitating the American
Space Program, of which theStarlink satellite project is
currently the preeminent one, asmany of us know, that is
designed to expand Internetcommunications around the world,
(05:31):
but they are also deeplyinvolved, and have been for
nearly 20 years now, with theplanning of manned spaceflight
to the planet Mars Right.
Joe (05:44):
Spacex is associated with two major divisions within NASA
the Commercial OrbitalTransportation Services and the
Commercial Crew Development.
These programs were establishedin the early 2000s to transfer
some of the spacecraftmanufacturing costs to the
private sector.
Spacex has emerged as the mostsuccessful company in
demonstrating thispublic-private partnership model
(06:05):
for spaceflight, and whilethere are other companies like
Boeing and Blue Orion, or Ishould say Blue Origin, which
are also involved, lately it hasbeen the SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket
that has gone up most of thetime.
Actually, when you think aboutall the space assets that have
been employed over the past 60plus years, it is quite
(06:26):
staggering.
It's almost impossible to thinkof a time, say like when our
parents were kids, that therewere no satellites at all up in
orbit, nothing forcommunications or weather
observation or GPS navigation,and now there are just thousands
and thousands of operationalsatellites of all kinds moving
above the Earth, not to mentionall the ones that are not
(06:47):
working.
You know all the space junk Now.
The idea of getting a man onMars goes back to the 1960s,
when we were talking aboutgetting a man on the moon.
The planet has alwaysfascinated us.
It is a celestial object in thenight sky that shines
beautifully and brightly with ared hue.
As it is, mars is visible rightnow.
It's in the constellation skythat shines beautifully and
brightly with a red hue.
As it is, mars is visible rightnow.
It's in the constellation Gemini, and the surface is mostly red
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in color due to the high contentof iron oxide within the soil
and rocks.
It has an atmosphere similar toEarth's, but with much less
oxygen and a lot more carbondioxide, as well as being less
dense, it's thinner air, andever since the late 19th century
, there has been the popularbelief that life exists up there
(07:31):
, as the Italian astronomerGiovanni Scharpelli discovered
in 1877 what he called canali,which were thought to be canals
or channels, and this led tospeculation that they were
constructed by intelligentMartian life forms so as to
direct water from the seasonalmelting of the planet's polar
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ice caps to places that areclose to the equator.
If that was so, then they couldfunction to possibly supply
inhabited cities and irrigatelands that are used to support
agriculture and thus supportlife on the planet.
Laurie (08:09):
Right and you've got to bear with me here, I'm
struggling with this sciaticanerve and there are drawings and
sketches of these canals onMars where they're published in
several magazines and newspapersthroughout Europe and the
United States, and it madepeople wonder if there was life
(08:30):
on Mars.
As the idea of space travelstarted to become more of a
reality in the 20th century, thequestion became could we go
there and live like we do hereon Earth?
Now that we are in the 20thcentury, we seem to be making
steady progress toward the goalof sending humans to Mars, and
(08:51):
this effort is primarily led byElon Musk, the owner and CEO of
some big companies SpaceX.
Of course, there's Tesla and X,formerly an X, formerly known
as Twitter.
So he's a really smart guy andhe is in the top five wealthiest
people on Earth, and thisaccording to Forbescom.
(09:13):
And, like Oba Zadran, he isvery passionate about not only
sending humans to Mars, but alsomaking it so that we can
colonize it and sustain apermanent presence there.
Joe (09:27):
So, out of all the planets, Mars is really the only one
where a human presence is evenconceivable, even though we
cannot live on the planetwithout adequate and
sophisticated life supportsystems.
Its atmosphere, its climate,its gravity, its lack of water
would not allow us to survivethere without a whole lot of
modifications made toaccommodate us.
(09:48):
But it's still far moreplausible to go there than, say,
to go to Jupiter, Saturn or anyof those outer planets which
are all gaseous and too distant.
No way for Mercury and Venus,not any of the moons out there
either.
Mars is the only one that, evenclosely, is compatible with
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Earth.
Now, some of us are old enoughto remember the Viking probes
that were sent there back in the1970s Vikings 1 and 2.
They were the first onesactually to land on the surface,
actually to land on the surface, and these were also the ones
that gave us the first images ofCydonia, which is the location
of the famous "face on Mars thatmany of us have seen.
(10:30):
There were four that wentbefore Viking Mariner 4 in 1964,
mariners 5 and 6 in 1969, andMariner 9 in 1971.
They were only orbiters thateventually burned up in the
Martian atmosphere.
Laurie (10:47):
Yeah, there was a long period of inactivity until about
1996, when the United Stateslaunched the Pathfinder.
The mission successfully landedand deployed the first rover
that was called Sojourner, whichoperated for 84 days, and from
1998 to 2020, numerous landerand rover missions were sent to
(11:10):
Mars, to include thePerseverance, and the most
recent mission, ingenuity,marked the first successful
helicopter deployment to flyover the Martian surface.
Joe (11:24):
And, of course, various nations besides the United
States, have espousedaspirations to explore Mars.
The Soviet Union, for instance,is known to have launched over
15 probes aimed at Mars, atleast as far as we know, with 11
of these messages resulting infailures either at launch or
during descent.
(11:45):
Again, that's as far as we know.
Since the dissolution of theUSSR, russia has conducted three
additional Mars missions, oneof which achieved success as a
collaborative effort with theEuropean Space Agency in 2016.
And, furthermore, the People'sRepublic of China has made
(12:05):
significant strides in Martianexploration by successfully
deploying a lander in 2020.
In addition to these, over thepast 25 years, india, japan and
the United Arab Emirates havelaunched orbiters and probes,
contributing to ourunderstanding of Mars through
flybys and orbital observations.
Laurie (12:28):
And so Wernher von Braun .
He published a novel way backin I don't know if it was 1948
or 1953.
But remember he was theexpatriated German scientist who
came to the US after World WarII and essentially became the
father of the Apollo LunarProgram.
(12:49):
So his book, called ProjectMars: A Technical Tale actually
gets into describing whatsociety on Mars would be like.
And in chapter 24, which istitled how Mars is governed, von
Braun describes a Martiangovernment comprised of 10
leaders, with one designed ordesignated as the chief
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executive referred to as Elon.
Strange right.
But this leader is electedthrough a universal suffrage
system for a five-year term, andthe legislature consists of two
houses responsible for enactinglaws that Elon and his cabinet
execute.
So the upper house, known asthe Council of the Elders, is
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made up of 60 members who areappointed for life by Elon, and
these two cabinets remind me ofthe Republican and Democrat
parties, don't they?
And with Elon Musk assigned tothe Trump's administration's
Department of GovernmentEfficiency, it seems that a sort
of prophecy, I guess, isunfolding.
(13:56):
So, Elon Musk did say we'regoing to take Doge to Mars.
Joe (14:03):
That's something else.
Is that a coincidence or what?
I don't know, and this narrativesurrounding the potential
establishment of a humanpresence on Mars prompts us into
significant discourseconcerning the sociopolitical
frameworks that may develop.
Will it resemble a democracy, orwill it assume a more
(14:23):
authoritarian structure,something akin to a military
hierarchy?
Also, we have to wonder howpervasive the role of AI will be
(14:43):
in helping us achieve such agoal.
Would our ability to thrive onanother world be completely
dependent on the capacity ofsophisticated and complex
software algorithms so as tomaintain control of the
biosphere that we would inhabitand how we would interface with
it?
And the feasibility anddifficulty of this enterprise
should not be underestimated.
(15:03):
Yet we know from theaccomplishments of the Apollo
program that there is a robustevidence showing the human
ability to carry out challengingspace missions.
Furthermore, the current era,marked by the aspirations of
visionary individuals like ElonMusk, suggests a ripe
opportunity for advancinghumanity's ventures into space
(15:25):
exploration.
This intersection of ambitionand technological capability
could very well catalyze a newchapter in our collective
journey beyond the earth in arecent tweet uh, elon musk
responded to a user.
Laurie (15:40):
It was named, named space subduer.
Uh, sharing it with the caption, how can the parallel, how can
the parallels be real?
And the post said the 1953 bookMars Project, another one
written by Werner von Braun,says the leader of Mars shall be
called Elon.
(16:00):
I think it's the same bookactually we mentioned earlier,
but anyway, someone pulled theoriginal German manuscript from
the archives to debunk this myth, only to confirm that von Braun
predicted he would be calledElon and this was discussed in
an article calledmoneycontrolcomcdnampprojectorg
(16:25):
and it dated just last week,january 28th to be exact,
explaining that when the excerptfrom the book was translated
into English, it describedMartian governance, saying
explaining that when the excerptfrom the book was translated
into English, it describedMartian governance saying and
this is the excerpt it wasconnected with that inner
commitment to action which wasalso the driving force in the
development of Martiancivilization.
(16:46):
The management of the terrorconsisted of 10 vessels.
At their head was a man who wasawakened by a Ginnet Now, I've
tried to look up this word,ginnet, and I think the closest
thing I get to it is called, soI don't know awakened by a
called population for five yearsat a time whom the Martians
(17:09):
called Elon, a time whom theMartians called Elon, but
opposite Elon and my cabinetthis is still the excerpt there
was a parliament who decided onthe laws according to which the
cabinet had to govern.
After Musk shared the Tweet, itignited a storm of responses,
(17:29):
now speculating about hisextraterrestrial origins.
So people questioned whether hewas an alien or even a time
traveler.
Musk even joked by reacting tohim being a time traveler,
tweeting.
No matter how often I tellpeople that I'm a 5,000-year-old
alien time traveler, they don'tbelieve me.
But when reflecting on ElonMusk, I often draw a parallel to
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that character, valiant Thor,as he embodies a similar persona
.
So, if you recall, we talkedabout him being a purported
extraterrestrial visitor fromthe planet Venus, and in 1957,
valiant Thor and two othersarrived on Earth where they
encountered a police officer whosubsequently took them to the
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Pentagon and later engaged withgovernment officials.
His story is sort of likefolklore and is regarded by some
ufologists and conspiracytheorists as the way by which US
leaders were provided withadvanced technology as the way
by which US leaders wereprovided with advanced
technology.
Joe (18:35):
I'm trying to look up the word cald.
If it's some foreign word thatI'm not familiar with, I don't
know what the meaning is I'm notfinding anything here, but I
see it's an acronym forculturally and logistically
diverse.
I don't know if that pertainsto um the book, um Project Mars.
(18:55):
I'm not sure what that wordwould mean.
Though, call, do you have anyidea?
Laurie (19:00):
no, I, because again it also uh means animal too, like
uh any, uh any of a uh geneta ofa small old world, usually
carnivorous.
They're red mammals related tothe civics.
I don't know, it's weird.
Nothing shows that.
Joe (19:23):
Context with what he's writing about.
Laurie (19:27):
That was Von Braun back in 1953, or whatever.
Joe (19:31):
That genius and he's speaking.
He's writing gibberish in hisnovel, but Valiant Thor, of
course he's believed to still bearound today, maybe living
somewhere in Nevada.
There are actually bookswritten that have him named as
the author, ones that are titledAlien Soul Quest and the Secret
Bases of the Inner Earth.
(19:51):
So, it's most likely justsomeone using a snazzy pen name.
Now, I don't think Elon Muskand Valiant Thor are one and the
same person, but the sort ofcultural depiction of a person
who is super smart, getting inwith top-level government
officials so as to imparthigh-tech innovation at an
(20:12):
amazingly quick pace, does makethe comparison much more vivid.
Keep in mind that Elon Musk hasbeen on the cutting edge with
this kind of research anddevelopment for many years, long
before he came into the Trumpadministration, so he is
certainly the juggernaut ofprojects that are seemingly out
of this world.
So you know, laurie, when I wasa kid about 12 years old or so
(20:37):
I like to read Tom Swift novels.
Do you remember those?
Laurie (20:42):
Yeah, well, they're kind of old, aren't they?
Like from the 50s.
So you're dating yourself here,joe.
But yeah, they, they had somecool technology or technological
and inventions in the stories,right.
Joe (20:59):
Yeah, and discussing the legacy of the Tom Swift series,
it's not worthy that there areseveral newer iterations haven't
published just within the pastdecade, albeit probably with the
involvement of ghostwriters,and these stories center around
the character of Tom Swift, norelation to Taylor Swift, and
(21:21):
Tom Swift is a teenage scientistand inventor who embarks on a
variety of innovative andadventurous pursuits.
And they were good stories, Imean, I liked reading them.
Um, and the ones I got a holdof, they were pretty old, um,
yeah, going back to the 1950s,and, uh, even for that time it
was pretty dated.
Uh, and the time I was readingthem, let's say, it's 1980, 1981
(21:47):
.
So yes, I think again reallydating myself, here there
probably people who have neverheard of this story at all.
It is Tom Swift, but theoriginal novels possess a unique
and imaginative quality thatresonate with the themes
commonly found in exploringscience fiction.
A particularly interesting oneis titled Tom Swift and His
(22:10):
Outpost in Space.
There were other ones calledTom Swift and His Giant Robot,
tom Swift and His Jet Marine.
I liked them when I was a kid.
And Tom Swift and His Outpost inSpace.
It's a space station and fromhow it's depicted, it seems to
prelude the International SpaceStation, only much better.
(22:32):
This thing was, in the story,over a thousand miles above the
Earth and had the capability todock multiple rocket ships so as
to get supplies and fuel toready themselves for trips to
other planets such as Mars.
So this whole concept isnothing at all new to science
fiction writers, and itcertainly isn't anything new to
(22:55):
the inspiration of visionaryentrepreneurs and visionary
scientists.
It is almost an obsession forhumanity, a drive that seems to
well up from the depths of thesoul.
And could it be that there is asublimated longing to go there
because, embedded within thelatent strata of our
subconscious minds about ithaving some memory of our
(23:17):
ancestors already being there?
Laurie (23:21):
Yeah, or it could be the explorer in all of us.
Well, the exploration of Marsis not just a scientific pursuit
, but rather intersects with adeeper, perhaps instinctive,
aspiration inherent to us thatstems from a reservoir of
(23:42):
collective memories ingrained inour subconscious, suggesting an
ancestral familiarity with theMartian landscapes.
Ancient alien theory provides acompelling framework to explore
this notion further, proposingthat humanity's connection to
extraterrestrial entities andplaces might be more profound
(24:04):
than previously acknowledged.
The significant financialinvestments made by governmental
and private citizens in Martianexpeditions raise pertinent
questions regarding themotivations behind this focus.
It invites speculation onwhether Mars could be viewed as
a potential cradle for humanorigins, thereby redefining our
(24:29):
understanding ofextraterrestrial heritage.
So you asked what kind ofsociopolitical framework or
apparatus there would be forpeople living on Mars.
With that, one must considerthe implications of
organizations that possessclassified information,
potentially influencing thesedevelopments on another world,
(24:49):
and this may suggest that Marsis not merely be a destination,
but rather a site of historicaland cultural significance that
could reshape our understandingof human civilization itself.
Joe (25:07):
Yeah, and with that the inquiry into the alleged
advanced alien civilizations.
It gets more convoluted andcomplicated when you think about
something like Atlantis, whenyou're looking at this narrative
.
If such civilizations indeedexisted, one could posit the
(25:28):
likelihood of their originsbeing linked to Mars.
We also know from exploring themythology of the Anunnaki, and
their proposed connections toeither Atlantis or a distinct
extraterrestrial lineage demandsa deeper engagement within
historical texts andcontemporary archaeological
(25:50):
findings.
So it's a multi-facetedexamination which encourages a
broader understanding of ourplace within the cosmos and the
socio-cultural structures thatarise as we extend our reach
beyond Earth.
And while conclusive evidencesupporting these hypotheses
remain very elusive at best, thewealth of documented histories
(26:14):
and oral traditionssignificantly stimulates our
curiosity about possibleextraterrestrial roots that may
be found on the planet Mars.
Extraterrestrial roots that maybe found on the planet Mars.
And this intrinsic pursuit ofknowledge constitutes a
fundamental dimension of thehuman experience which compels
us to investigate that which isboth feasible as well as
(26:35):
extraordinary, and a closerinspection of ancient texts,
notably the last book of Enki,and that was written by
Zacharias Hitchin.
It highlights the case of Alalu, the deposed king of Nibiru,
who reportedly met his demise onMars and is designated in these
narratives as Lamu After hisdeath.
(26:58):
It is asserted that plans wereformulated to establish way
stations to facilitate travelbetween Earth and Nibiru and
vice versa, and the first ofthese way stations was situated
on Mars, where it is estimatedthat approximately 300 Agigi
were assigned to labor.
(27:18):
These are the species that werelower on the evolutionary
ladder, let's just say, than theAnunnaki, and they were
followed by the establishment ofanother station, which was on
the moon.
Laurie (27:37):
Yeah, like a subculture of the Anunnaki or something.
Yeah, but yeah, and you know,for those of you that say, well,
the Lost Book of Enki, that'ssupposed to be a fiction.
It's actually what Sitchin wassaying, was that?
No, the tablets.
When he was translating thosetablets, the areas that were
missing, he pieced together andtook what he believed from the
(28:01):
Akkadian.
Using Akkadian and Egyptian andSumerian languages, he brought
to life what he thought thatwould be.
So because of that it's labeledas a fiction.
But he did translate themajority of those texts and just
pieced it together.
Anyway, the narrative indicatesin this story that Adalu was
(28:23):
honored due to his status as thefirst king to die on an
extraterrestrial body.
In a notable archaeologicaldiscovery, his remains were
reportedly found within a caveon Mars, prompting the
construction of a monument toresemble his visage adorned with
a helmet, or his visage adornedwith a helmet, and this
(28:46):
monument has drawn parallels tothe image famously captured by
NASA in 1976, often referred toas the face on Mars.
According to Sumerian beliefs,this representation was meant to
orient itself toward the planetNibiru.
Joe (29:02):
That's fascinating.
Well, NASA has since providedenhanced imaging of that site
over the last almost 50 years.
They maintain that there is nodiscernible facial features.
Alternative interpretationsuggests that structural details
resembling features such aseyes, nose and the mouth are
still identifiable despiteerosion over millennia.
(29:24):
It is also posited that themonument may have suffered
damage due to the harshenvironment up there, harsh
weather, the high winds on theplanet and, furthermore,
historical accounts suggest thepossibility of surface
alteration on Mars, even to thepoint of there being a nuclear
conflict with the Anunnaki,which is told in the story of
(29:47):
their confrontation with Marduk.
Yeah, which is an explanationfor that long trench-looking
scar across Mars, like thecanyon that goes across the
distance of the United States.
Laurie (30:09):
Yeah, which could be.
We don't know.
So anything's possible.
But this discourse invites acritical examination of the
intersection between the ancientnarratives and the contemporary
archaeological findings and theimplications of differing
interpretations from prevailingscientific perspectives.
And this might be a reason forour going to Mars.
The government and SpaceX mayknow even more about these
(30:33):
ancient events on Mars.
Another interesting thing aboutMars is when we played this
clip at the beginning of theshow where former astronaut Buzz
Aldrin stated in that interviewthere's a monolith on the moon
of Mars.
When people find out about that, they'll say who put that there
?
Who put that there?
Joe (30:54):
You know.
And at the very end it almostseemed like he was trying to
almost walk back a little bitfrom that, like he kind of was
hesitant to say you know anymore.
He realized he wasn't supposedto say that at all.
There was some laughter andright after that he commented uh
, well, well, the universe putit there.
Or, if you choose to believe,you know, god put it there.
(31:14):
Uh, so he was seemed like hewas trying to backtrack.
Um, making it sound like themonolith was simply a result of
a natural formation, which is,you know, the explanation given
by the Jack PropulsionLaboratory, or it could be from
a religious perspective or adivine act.
He's just kind of again thrownout there as whichever
interpretation you want to take.
(31:35):
However we believe thismonolith may be, it could be
that this monolith may have beenplaced there by the gods not
necessarily God with a capital G.
But if you look at Buzz'sbehavior, he's clearly excited.
I mean he's almost amped up.
He knows about the monolith onthe moon of Mars and gets pretty
(32:00):
excited when he asks you knowwho put it there?
Who put it there?
Excited when he asks you knowwho put it there?
Who put it there?
After asking this, he feels theneed to attribute either the
universe or to God.
Could he be referring to gods,as we have in the ancient alien
context of gods beingextraterrestrials?
Laurie (32:18):
No, definitely.
Well, according to ZechariahSitchin's Earth Chronicle
series, Mars served as awaypoint for the Anunnaki mining
operations and there the Igigirefined gold for transport on
cargo ships to Nibiru, where itwould be dispersed into its
atmosphere.
Additionally, there have beenreports from prominent figures
(32:41):
like former Israeli space chiefAyam Eshed, who claims that
aliens exist on Mars.
Eshed is a scientist and aretired brigadier general in the
Israeli military, oftenregarded as the father of
Israel's space program, and hehas been a professor of
aeronautics and astronautics anddirected Israel's space program
(33:04):
for 30 years, during which helaunched approximately 20
Israeli-made satellites intospace.
So Eshed is a very credibleperson, and he has brought
attention to a conspiracy theoryby stating the United or the
Unidentified Flying Objects haveasked not to publish.
He's talking about the aliens,I guess of those flying objects
(33:27):
have asked not to publish thatthey are here.
Humanity is not ready yet.
They are equally curious abouthumanity and seek to understand
the universe's fabric.
And he also mentioned theexistence of an underground base
on Mars where Americanastronauts and alien
representatives reportedly meet.
Joe (33:49):
Well you know, there are also some who claim that
President Trump was on the brinkof disclosing significant
information regardingextraterrestrial phenomena
during his first term.
However, he was allegedlyadvised against it that such
disclosure would incite masshysteria, and this is an
understandable notion here,considering the general public
(34:13):
may not be fully prepared forthe implications of such a
revelation, despite theprevalence of this theme in our
popular culture, which includesfilms, literature, documentaries
, even including the ancientaliens TV show on the History
Channel.
An actual, full disclosurecould potentially trigger a
(34:34):
widespread alarm, particularlyif large alien spacecraft were
to appear in our skies.
How would humanity respond tothat?
I don't think they wouldrespond well.
Humanity respond to that?
I don't think they wouldrespond well.
Furthermore, it contemplatesthe motivations behind
high-profile figures like Trumpand Musk, as well as NASA's
(34:55):
intensified interest in Marsexploration Makes you wonder if
there is going to be adisclosure, if it will happen
during Trump's second term.
Who knows?
Right now, anything is possiblewith the way things are going,
and during his inaugurationspeech back on January 20th, if
you recall, he emphasized thatspace exploration is on a
(35:20):
significant rise right now andthat the questions about the
underlying objective is a pushtowards Mars.
He almost gave a mandate,similar to what Kennedy did back
in the 60s, that the UnitedStates will put a man on the
moon, he claimed.
The United States will onceagain consider itself a growing
nation that increases our wealth, expands our territory, builds
(35:42):
our cities, raises ourexpectations and carries our
flag into new and beautifulhorizons.
And we will pursue our manifestdestiny into the stars,
launching American astronauts toplant the stars and stripes on
the planet Mars.
Laurie (35:56):
Yeah, he made some important points in his speech,
emphasizing the need to expandour territory, elevate our
expectations and carry our flagto new and beautiful horizons.
Now I believe he was probablyreferring to Greenland when he
mentioned expanding ourterritory maybe even Canada,
(36:16):
where I'm from, but he mightalso have been considering
claiming Mars as Americanterritory.
So Greenland is rich inprecious minerals and it's
strategically important forNorth America's future defense.
Earlier, we discussed whetherthere might be something on Mars
that we need.
(36:36):
So is there something therethat the government knows about
but the public does not?
Are there precious minerals onMars as well that we don't know
of?
And this reminds me of scriptureverses in the book of Ezekiel
that describe the preciousstones and minerals found in the
Garden of Eden, including thegems, rubies, topaz, emeralds,
(36:59):
quartz, onks, jasper, sapphires,turquoise, crystallite and gold
.
You know these preciousminerals were what the Adamu had
to mine in Eden, as describedin the Sumerian tablets.
You know, for the gods.
The gods wanted this and itparallels the biblical story.
God placed Adam in the Gardenof Eden, where the gold is good.
(37:23):
So humans have always beenfascinated by precious minerals,
just as the gods were.
I mean, just visit Tucson,arizona, during this time of
year.
I was there yesterday.
You'll see large areas of tintsthroughout the city displaying
gems and minerals from aroundthe world at the Tucson Gem and
Mineral Show from around theworld at the Tucson Gem and
(37:45):
Mineral Show.
Joe (37:45):
Yeah, it is a pretty astonishing display of all kinds
of things.
I mean it's just gemstones fromall over the world.
I mean places you wouldn'tthink they even have such
gemstones.
But yeah, it's reallyfascinating to see.
And we've heard that you knowSpaceX is targeting its
(38:08):
inaugural crewed missions toMars.
They want that to happen by theyear 2028.
Conversely, NASA has scheduledsimilar missions for the 2030s,
and this is according to theirown website at NASA.
gov.
So presently they are enhancingthe lunar exploration
initiatives with the objectiveof commencing missions to the
(38:30):
moon as early as 2027, which iscoming up really quickly.
It'll be interesting to see ifthey actually make that.
And this undertaking issupported by a government
contract estimated to reachnearly $3 billion, highlighting
the significant financialcommitment to advancing space
exploration.
(38:50):
And no matter how onepersonally feels about all this,
it will all be very interestingto watch and see how it unfolds
.
I think that $3 billion isprobably going to be more
closely a trillion when it allgets said and done with trying
to get assets not only to Moonbut then to Mars.
Laurie (39:12):
Yeah, absolutely.
Either way, it's going to be alot of money.
And now, before we go, we wantto leave you with something to
look at and form your ownopinion about, because on Monday
I came across an article titledwhat is Everyone Talking About?
The Square Structure Capturedon Mars on my browser.
(39:33):
This came through on my browser, so the piece was published on
iflscience.
com and it was written by JamesFilton and it was edited by
Laura Simmons.
So the article discusses animage of a square structure
captured by the Mars GlobalSurveyor, the MGS, and the Mars
Orbiter Camera, the MOC,claiming it as an actual image
(39:57):
of a square feature.
The topic gained significantattention after Joe Rogan and
Elon Musk discussed it, withMusk posting on X we should send
astronauts to Mars toinvestigate.
Joe (40:11):
Yeah, I caught that article and the authors did mention the
possibility that the imagemight have been altered.
Can't rule that out.
However, they do assert that itis real, noting that you can
see the square, and you can.
It looks like part of it iscovered by soil.
It almost looks like an oldsettlement, like an ancient
(40:33):
settlement, like you'd find theruins of a city somewhere in a
desert.
So if you fill in theconnecting lines in your own
mind, you can kind of see that,and surely you can.
According to Arizona StateUniversity's Mars Image Explorer
, this square measures about 1.9miles across, so it's not small
(40:55):
.
According to IFL Science, peopleare speculating, claiming that
nature does create suchstructures, and that's a
statement that is.
Or they say that nature doesnot create such structures, and
that's a statement that is.
Or they say that nature doesnot create such structures.
That statement is not accurateand that the structure may be.
It could be a buried ancientstructure built by
(41:18):
extraterrestrials, such as likea pyramid, but geometric shapes
do form in natural formations.
It is considered the hexagonalcolumns at Giant's Causeway on
the coast of Ireland and alsothe polar hexagons that are seen
on Saturn.
However, there is usually moreof a pattern or arrangement of
(41:40):
shapes within natural features.
The square on Mars is singularand stands out by itself, and
I'm guessing we'll need to get acloser look at it to know more,
and that will do it for ustoday.
So please visit alien talkpodcast.
com to let us know your thoughtson this and if you enjoyed the
show.
We would love to hear from you.
Laurie (42:02):
Yeah, and remember folks , we, we, we have a YouTube
channel as well, so please visitit and show your support by
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Every like and subscriptionreally does help us out.
Joe (42:16):
Certainly, and we invite you to join us in our next
discussion next month, wherewe'll be engaging with a
distinguished colleague who alsoserves as a chaplain.
Is that correct, lori?
He is a chaplain with youragency.
Laurie (42:31):
Yeah, I think he's a local chaplain for a lot of the
agencies in our area.
Joe (42:36):
Nice guy, yeah, so this topic which we're referring,
we're going to delve into thecomplex interplay that we find
between the ancient astronauttheory and Christian theology,
and this conversation, I think,promises to be quite insightful,
and we intend to addressseveral points, some of them
(42:58):
that were raised in a recentdebate.
Many of you may have seen thison YouTube.
It did get quite a lot of hits.
It's between Wes Huff, who wasa Christian apologist, and Billy
Carson, who was an ancientalien theorist.
It was on a podcast calledElevated and it made it to
YouTube, where it has had over1.3 million views and it has
(43:23):
garnered significant attentionacross social media platforms.
Is that where you saw it, ordid you see it on YouTube, or
did you get it on like Facebook?
Laurie (43:33):
No, it was on YouTube.
That's where I saw it, okay.
Joe (43:36):
And, additionally, we plan to produce a YouTube video of
our own for the show next month,so as to analyze the various
aspects and arguments presentedin such a debate, which is quite
complex and pervasive, and wewant to do so with critical and
sober-mindedness.
(43:57):
So, until we meet again, weencourage you to remain
inquisitive when it comes to alltopics of discussion, and we'll
be wishing all of you a safeand interesting month coming up
ahead.
So stay curious, everyone.
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