October 11, 2024 ā¢ 36 mins
What if Alaska holds secrets as bewildering as those of the Bermuda Triangle? Prepare to uncover the mysteries of an expansive region fraught with strange occurrences, from unexplained disappearances to UFO sightings and cryptid encounters. Our episode seeks to unravel the enigma of the Alaska Triangle, applying a critical lens to claims of extraterrestrial and interdimensional phenomena, while drawing parallels with other mysterious hotspots like Skinwalker Ranch.
Explore the vast and eerily captivating world of cryptids and quantum anomalies, as we ponder whether Earth's magnetic fields or potential vortices could be the source of disorientation in the harsh Alaskan wilderness. We also discuss the curious case of the giant panda's 1869 discovery as a metaphor for the potential reality of creatures like sasquatch.Ā Until our next episode, stay curious and enjoy the upcoming holiday season!
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Joe (00:02):
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Joe (01:33):
So everyone, welcome to the show.
First off, we want to apologizefor the change of venue tonight
.
Unfortunately, our scheduledguest, Doctor Bruce Rapuano,
canceled his appearance with usover the weekend.
As of right now we do not havea future date booked with him,
but we will keep all of youposted if that changes.
Folks here on Alien TalkPodcast, we do like to ask those
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truth is often a difficultquest, as many of us do
understand.
Because finding out the truthis often a difficult quest, as
many of us do understand, themethod for demonstrating truth
actually is harder than somemight think, as it necessitates
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a high standard of evidence thatmust hold up the testing.
Are willing to engage in adebate or in a critical analysis
, or are willing to be posedwith questions that are
challenging to answer, you know,for whatever reason that might
be.
Laurie (02:31):
Yeah, that's right, Joe.
Well, here we strive forhonesty and transparency with
our audiences and that means wealways try to be fair in our
discussions of these topics bynot just pondering those ideas
and questions that go along withwhat we are presenting, but
also those that don't go alongwith it.
You know, like, look at thethings from all angles.
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into mainstream studies ofscience and history and religion
, et cetera.
So we do our best to bring thatto you and we're not conspiracy
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theorists and we're notoccultists or, for that matter,
even advocates of the existenceof extraterrestrial life and
UFOs.
As for me, I do believe thatthere are aliens and UFOs, but I
like to have evidence tosupport my beliefs as well.
But this is why we research anddiscuss what we can, so as to
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share with all of you.
Then you can objectively decidefor yourselves what you believe
and what you accept as truthand if the evidence supports it.
So the guests we interview doget asked the tough questions
and if they claim to have beenabducted or to have seen a
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it on the show.
Well, they need to be preparedto explain what they saw in
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where, when, why, how and, ofcourse, to provide any
reasonable proof that they mayhave.
(04:24):
I mean, after all, we weredetectives, right.
Joe (04:27):
Exactly, and for those who have been following our podcast
for a while now know that wehave a system for our
investigation and dialogue ofepisode topics.
First we vet the subjectmaterial so that we know we can
find good source references andthat we're not in any way making
stuff up.
Next, we approach it withskeptical inquiry so that we are
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not only hypothesizing oninformation that we know and are
not left to form opinions frommere conjecture or
sensationalism.
And then we examine whatsignificant evidence, if any,
can be usefully assessed andapply to what we learn, and then
on what we can speculate fromthere.
In other words, we do havestandards here.
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We don't just take anynarrative and run with it.
Like you said, lori, ouraudiences deserve better when
they elect to tune into ourprogram one out of thousands
that are out there and take thetime to listen to us.
We want to provide the best,which means we believe is always
aiming for the truth.
Just follow the evidence, as wesay, and see where it takes you
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.
Laurie (05:32):
Yeah, precisely, and with that we do have a topic to
cover in lieu of Dr Rapinoe'sinterview.
So today we will take a closerlook at something called the
Alaska Triangle.
We will take a closer look atsomething called the Alaska
Triangle.
As its name implies, it is aplace of extraordinary mystery,
just like what is believed aboutthe very well-known and
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sinister Bermuda Triangle.
Joe (05:59):
Right, and while almost everyone has heard of the
Bermuda Triangle and knows aboutthe pervasive and age-old tales
associated with it, the AlaskaTriangle is something a little
more from obscurity.
However.
It entails a level of uncannymystery that is almost just as
ominous, if not more so, thanits Bermudan counterpart in the
North Atlantic.
So it is an area of 325,000square miles that encompasses a
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triangular region with the linesgoing from Juneau to Anchorage,
up to Barrow, which is on thecoast of the Beaufort Sea, and
then back down to Juneau, alsocrossing through the province of
Yukon and northern Canada.
For anyone who's familiar withAlaska knows that this part of
it represents some of the mostremote as well as the most harsh
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and unforgiving wilderness onearth.
It is also one of the mostnaturally beautiful places, as
much of it is untouched by anysignificant human habitation, no
cities or large settlements.
Any presence of people issparse, and there are parts that
have not been touched at all byhuman beings.
The places are just tooinaccessible.
Laurie (07:09):
Yeah, it is a massive area indeed, and it started
getting public attention back in1972 when a small plane flown
by an experienced bush pilotnamed Don Johns seemed to vanish
into thin air while en routefrom Juneau to Anchorage.
Now, he was carrying someimportant passengers and they
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were US congressmen, includingthen House Majority Leader Hale
Boggs, representative NickBigich and Russell Brown, one of
the aides, big Etch and RussellBrown, one of the aides.
But no wreckage or debris wasever found and there was no
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trace of aircraft or the guys onboard.
And a huge search effort waslaunched with nearly 200 various
military and civilian teamsemploying dozens of boats with
radar and sonar and aircraftwith the best surveillance
capability for the time, andthey covered 32,000 square miles
and not a single thing was everrecovered.
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In the years afterward, therewere more reports of planes
disappearing without a trace.
There were more reports ofplanes disappearing without a
trace, just like with theBermuda Triangle.
Usually they were going betweenJuneau and Anchorage or Juneau
and Fairbanks, and you wouldthink that a crash plane would
be on fire and that all of thethick brush would have flared up
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.
It's not like they were flyingacross the entire state.
They were going from Juneau toAlaska or to, sorry, to
Anchorage, which is roughly 850miles, a relatively short
distance for a flight, and Iguess they could have flown off
course and ended up in the oceanto the south of them, or they
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could have crashed into many ofthe uh, you know one of the many
lakes uh up there in that, inthat area, but we just don't
know because we have no trace,we have nothing at all.
Joe (09:11):
Uh, that has been retrieved yeah, but as more than aircraft
, you know, hikers and campershave also gone missing and have
not been found.
Since 1988, more than,000people have disappeared on foot
in the Alaska Triangle,according to Tom Hall, with
IFLSciencecom article dated July24, 2023.
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That is more than twice thenational average.
That number 16,000 reported asoverdue and missing.
16,000 reported as overdue andmissing.
Now, since the 1970s, airplaneshave become equipped with
emergency locators called ELTs.
Some more wreckages arerecovered in the Alaska Triangle
, yet some are still not.
They just don't get found inthe rugged terrain, some of
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which is covered by glaciers,and the bodies of the passengers
are rarely found.
On a side note to that 1972incident, al Boggs was a member
of the Warren Commission, whichwe know was the congressional
committee that investigated theJFK assassination a few years
prior, and there was always aconspiracy theory that his
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supposed death, or at least hisdisappearance, was in some way
connected to that.
Laurie (10:26):
Yeah, and I mean those numbers.
That is astounding, all thosemissing people, and also
consider that the reports ofUFOs and even Bigfoot sightings
are documented in the hundreds.
So there seems like there maybe a kind of a paranormal vortex
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in Alaska, maybe just likethere are in other parts of the
world in which people encounterodd, strange and anomalous
things.
Now, the 1972 incident is notthe first.
On January 26, 1950, a DouglasC-54D aircraft, anchorage.
It was headed to Anchorage orto Montana from Anchorage,
anchorage.
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It was headed to Anchorage orto Montana from Anchorage and
after only about two hours enroute all radio contact was lost
and it was never heard fromagain.
Over 85 planes were involved inthe search teams, along with
7000 men on the ground, andnothing.
But it is believed to havemaybe crashed into the Canadian
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Yukon, which does border Alaska,and efforts resumed in 2022.
This time they were usingdrones and such to assist the
remote locations that are notaccessible.
But there are speculationsabout how the plane went missing
.
But there are speculationsabout how the plane went missing
.
Some suggested electromagneticpulses, time portals, vortexes,
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whatever extraterrestrialinvolvement, even pilot error or
mechanical troubles, as it wassaid to have had some issues
after leaving Texas.
Joe (12:08):
Yeah, this story you're telling about an aircraft
disappearing is almost exactlylike any story we hear about one
disappearing over the BermudaTriangle.
So, like you mentioned, laurie,we've talked about places
around the globe that are knownto be hotspots for strange
activity.
A lot of them pop up along the33rd parallel of which the
Bermuda Triangle is situated.
Other places are along supposedley lines, which are thought to
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be some kind of energy orresonance that exists in these
places along the globe, andthere's abundances of various
UFO sightings and paranormalactivity in those places along
these ley lines.
And then we also have areas thatare near the poles,
particularly the geomagneticpoles.
Take Antarctica, for instance,on which the South Magnetic Pole
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lies, and there are a highpropensity of UFO reports and
other unusual mysteriousoccurrences and all kinds of
bizarre tales that have comefrom Antarctica.
And with the Alaska Triangle wehave a place very close to the
North Magnetic Pole where thereis also a high frequency of
uncanny things, towns such asKetchikan, sitka and Sagwe.
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In those places there have beenreports of strange lights that
were circling silently around inthe sky and are said to be
disks that glow like molten rock.
That glow like molten rock.
But, it's not only UFOs and UAPsand these freaky disappearances
of people who come across inthe Alaska Triangle, but also
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reports of cryptids.
This is a region, actually oneof many regions from around
North America, where sightingsand stories of Sasquatch have
originated, and we know thatthere is a correlation between
anomalies in the Earth'smagnetic field and you know the
strangeness of things thatpeople claim to have experienced
in those places.
Is there a connection betweenthem?
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Some might say yes, claimingthe mysterious interactions
between geomagnetism and thebiological environment, and
you're not completely understood.
So it always raises thequestion of what could be
happening.
Laurie (14:19):
Well, you mentioned cryptids, and there are many
reports of a Sasquatch-lookingcreature that has been
terrifying some of the towns,and one place called Portlock
was abandoned after an unknowncreature that they refer to as
the Nantanac attacked and killedsome some of their residents,
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and it was.
It was so bad that the town wasactually evacuated and no one
has been back there since.
I think it was in 70 years nowsince someone's been there,
since anyone's been there, butin 2020, an experienced mountain
rescuer named Gerald DeBerry.
He became lost in that vicinityas well while he was searching
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for someone else, and days later, the Alaska State Troopers
found his ATV, but they neverfound him.
Very strange, and if you ask,what do you call it?
If you have to ask if a likelyexplanation for this complete
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disappearance isn't somehowrelated to an encounter with
such a creature or maybesomething else.
There is a documentary aboutscenarios on Discovery Plus
called the Alaska Killer Bigfoot, so it's worth checking out.
But in an article titledThousands of People have
Mysteriously Disappeared inAlaska's Bermuda Triangle by
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Cody Go and Alaska's BermudaTriangle by Cody Go, dated
August 1, 2019, gives an essayon the book In Search of the
Kushtaka, Alaska's other Bigfoot, the land otter man of the
Tengit Indians and the author,Dennis Waller, explores the
history of mystical history ofmystical, shape-shifting
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creatures found in stories ofthe Tangit and Tasinian I don't
know if I can pronounce thatright, but Indians who are
indigenous to southeasternAlaska, the Kustada, the AKA
land.
Other man is the Bigfoot of theAlaskan Triangle and legend has
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it that the creature appears totravelers in an irresistible
form, such as a relative or avulnerable child, to lure
victims to a nearby river whereit turns, tears them to shreds
or, you know, turns them intoanother kustaka, I guess, almost
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like a werewolf type thing.
But now, whether such a thing,or Sasquatch for that matter, is
real, that's highly debatable,right.
But when you think about it,these kinds of creatures could
easily blend in with the forestvegetation and being very well
concealed and very inaccessible.
So could such species belurking around in vast, cold and
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empty wilderness and as of yetare still not officially
discovered?
Joe (17:22):
We have to keep in mind that it sometimes takes a lot
longer than you would think fora particular species to become
recognized, than you would thinkfor a particular species to
become recognized.
There is an entire branch ofbiology that deals with
categorizing and classifyingplants and animals.
It's called taxonomy.
So look at the giant panda inTibet.
It wasn't discovered throughthis systematic approach until
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1869, and that was by accident.
People thought it didn't exist,meaning scientists up to that
time didn't think they existed.
Scientists who studied mammalsand they couldn't believe that
there was such a thing as avegetarian bear with black and
white fur that feasted on bamboo.
And the panda also don't standout very well in their landscape
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environment.
They tend to hide in thickbrush.
Stand out very well in theirlandscape environment.
They tend to hide in thickbrush.
So making any contact with themwas always few and far between.
So none of the stories wereever verified or corroborated.
They just turned into you knowtales.
So certainly there wererandomly spotted, you know,
before People were long beforetheir existence was verified by
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zoology.
And of course we know that newspecies of animals are always
being identified throughfirst-time contact with humans.
That happens even in this dayand age, even in this year At
least first time on record, Ishould say it may be that such
tales from Native Alaskanmythology may have originated
from so-called unofficial andundocumented encounters with
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some of these kinds of unknownanimals, maybe something like
Sasquatch.
Laurie (19:00):
In Alaska, people can go missing for a variety of
reasons.
Those who are missing may havebeen attacked by bears, wolves
or even a possible, you know,some kind of cryptid creature
you know, like the Sasquatch orBigfoot, but maybe there are a
few cases that involve somethingextraterrestrial.
Who knows right?
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What we do know is that a skullwas found in 1997 by Alaska
State Troopers belonging to aman named Gary Frank Salterman,
and he went missing in 1977,which is 20 years prior, and
through DNA testing it isbelieved that a bear had
attacked him.
So some things are solved andsome very few people are
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actually found.
Joe (19:46):
Yeah, and the fact that there have been so many
unexplained disappearanceswithin the Alaskan Triangle it
leaves us wondering if therearen't any strange phenomena
that are going on, perhaps oneof them being portals in which
rifts in the fabric ofspace-time cause things to
vanish in something like awormhole.
If you remember, laurie, fromour episode about Skinwalker
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Ranch, which we did about a yearago, we pointed out how the
idea of interdimensionalitywould help us understand the
possibility.
You know through quantumphysics that entities are able
to move in a way that seems likeinstantaneous travel from one
point in the universe to another, just like with the observed
oddities happening in SkinwalkerRanch in Utah.
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We have to wonder if similarkinds of anomalies could exist
in Alaska or other parts of theworld, like the Bermuda Triangle
, by the existence of an energythat causes vortices to form in
certain parts of the space-timecontinuum.
Laurie (20:47):
Yeah, and we also talked about cryptids like Sasquatch,
the Chupacabra or ChupacabraYeti.
The Mothman might be depictionsfrom within the mythological
storytelling of how creaturescould be ultradimensional.
John Keel, in his 1975 book theMothman, prophecies
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abbreviations that may bemanifested from outside our
spectrum of the energy that wehave thus far been able to
measure.
Certain entities, whether ornot they are organic, meaning
even something that is anon-life form, may have the
capacity to transcend dimensionsin ways that we can't.
When we think about somethingas ultra-terrestrial or
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trans-dimensional orinter-dimensional, we're
implying that it is not onlyfrom beyond our Earth, with it
having traveled through spaceand time to get here, but from
beyond what our senses have theability to detect, or at least
to detect in its fullness.
So could the area within theAlaska Triangle be something
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like Skinwalker Ranch, but juston a much larger scale?
Could it have something to dowith energy vortices that are
influenced or even modulated byanomalies within the magnetic
field of the Earth, say?
Joe (22:24):
Right, and while we may not fully understand how magnetism
or the poles would havesomething to do with any of
these kinds of phenomena, it isinteresting because recent
research in quantum physics hasshown that it is energy from the
atomic forces, namely gravityand electromagnetism, that have
a lot to do with our conceptsbehind the formation of black
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holes and wormholes.
So could there be a theoreticalfactor to the occurrence of
such things, and might theyinvolve something like
interdimensionality, like yousaid?
Doing so manifests entitiesthat may seem like creatures or
some kind of shape-shiftingforms.
And not enough is known to sayfor sure what effects on energy
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are more pronounced near thepoles of a magnet and what
observations have been madeabout that.
We just don't know.
We don't think enough studieshave been done about that kind
of subject.
Laurie (23:22):
Exactly so.
To be clear, there is much tothese mysteries that are unknown
and nebulous.
I think we've already mentionedthat the environment itself can
be a contributable factor tomany of these disappearances and
strange sightings.
The landscape of the Alaskanwilderness can be very
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unpredictable and unforgivingthere are a lot of thick brush,
wild untamed creatures, slopingmountains, cold, freezing
weather.
You know many, many lakes andmore.
Some believe that vortexes,whether from energy or air
currents which has also beenreported in the Bermuda Triangle
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that swirl through, can causedisorientation and mess with
people's minds.
So there have been reports ofconfusion and dizziness in some
rescue personnel from some ofthese unknown sources.
Joe (24:23):
Yeah, so it's easy to attribute the disappearances of
airplanes and the pilotsencountering something like
turbulent and ever-changingweather over that highly
mountainous region.
Yet the numbers seem toostaggering for it to be such an
easy answer.
One potential reason fordisappearing planes is that the
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terrain utterly obliterates anywreckages from view from above.
Search planes and consider how,in 1947, british south american
airways which I guess is theold four, one or four runner to
now british airways, uh, islancastrian three airliner
stardust.
It disappeared while en routefrom buenos a, argentina, to
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Santiago, chile.
Now, this was not in Alaska.
However, the environment there,with the terrain and weather
issues, is closely similar andits fate was unknown for over 50
years until two Argentinianclimbers found it up on Mount
Tupinago in 1998.
Later it was concluded byaviation investigators that the
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stardust had likely crashed intoa nearly vertical glacier,
which caused an avalanche thatburied all the wreckage within
just a few minutes.
However, it doesn't seem likelythat such avalanches, in which
the conditions are the same,would have occurred in every
plane that's gone missing,particularly all of the ones
that have been from over theAlaska Triangle.
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Then there's always thequestion about hikers and random
residents go missing, in whichairplane flight is not even a
factor.
There is one in 1986 that isfairly well-known and documented
there's even a book about itand that is Japan Airlines
Flight 1628 from Paris to Naritain Japan.
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And that one was in the AlaskaTriangle.
It was a Boeing 747 carryingcargo and it was piloted by
Captain Tereruchi.
He reported that it was a clearnight at 35,000 feet and the
aircraft was just above thebright city lights of Fairbanks,
and he said that he noticed apale white light behind him.
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He stated in his report to oursurprise, we observed the
silhouette of a very largespaceship.
We felt the need to takeevasive action promptly, Captain
Terucci, in coordination withthe FAA's Anchorage Control
Center, he executed evasivemaneuvers such as flying in a
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circular pattern and alteringhis altitude, but the large UFO,
later estimated by Terucci,could be about the size of two
aircraft carriers.
It maintained its position thewhole time in relation to the
747 throughout all of itsmaneuvers, and it did so for a
distance of about 400 miles.
Laurie (27:19):
Yeah, one of the most famous UFO stories out of Alaska
period.
Yeah, in the most famous CFOstories out of Alaska period.
Now there were two otheraircraft that had a visual on
Flight 1628.
One was a United Airlinespassenger plane and the other
was an Air Force C-130.
The pilots of neither of thosewere able to see what Tarucci
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saw or was describing.
While the personnel at theAnchorage Center said they saw
objects on radar as being nearthe plane, the ones at Fairbanks
Air Traffic Control did not seethem at all on their radar.
But Terucci landed in Anchorageand he and the crew debriefed
the FAA officials.
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The crew debriefed the FAAofficials and they were all
determined to be in a normalstate of mind, with no signs of
being under the influence ofanything.
And you have to ask, you know,why would airline pilots like
him want to, you know,jeopardize their career and make
something up right?
Well, right and make somethingup right.
Joe (28:23):
Well, right, and about a year later, a UFO investigator,
philip Klass.
He told Aviation Week and SpaceTechnology magazine that the
planets Jupiter and Saturn wouldhave been quite visible the
night of that incident.
And he also said it is notuncommon for pilots to mistake
those planets, or UFOs as theyappear from the pilot's
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perspective, to be closelyfollowing the aircraft's
movement, almost like aformation.
And Klaas did note that Teruchiused the words spaceship and
mothership in his reports.
However, it was found that hedid contradict what he told the
aircraft controllers.
Apparently, he told them thathe did lose sight of the objects
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and his report.
He said that the objectsfollowed him every move he made.
Laurie (29:14):
You know that's the same excuse that everybody gives
that don't believe in any typeof sightings.
It had to be Jupiter, it had tobe Venus or some type of star,
which is totally farce.
To be Venus or some type ofstar, which is totally farce
because you can tell every nightwhat a you mean.
Tell me that a pilot you knowan airline pilot don't know the
difference between a star and anevening star and a large object
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that's like the size of twoaircraft carriers.
Yeah, I think that's so lamewhenever they make those types
of explanations.
Well, I mean, tarucci reportedother sightings over Alaska in
which the lights not onlyfollowed him but were flashing
different colors.
Regardless, the FAA didn't seemto think he had a lot of
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credibility.
But, as we've been saying,aeronautical issues are just one
part of it, and there areindeed many others like Tarachis
.
So the stories of such bizarreexperiences go back far, all the
way to the 18th century, whenthe Russians first settled in
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Alaska.
Almost none of them weredocumented until about 100 years
ago.
And then one from 1956, therewas an account of someone who
was fishing, was approached by abipedal, ape-like creature that
was eight feet tall andapproximately 400 pounds.
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He obviously lived to tellabout it.
And subsequently, in 1960,another incident not far from
that one involved a young boywho was frightened to the extent
of screaming and fleeing fromthe area, and other reports
involved people witnessing verylarge trees that were, you know,
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pulled up out of the ground andturned upside down.
And they were pulled up out ofthe ground and the roots were
like pointing straight towardsthe sky, like what animal does
that right?
Joe (31:16):
well, what, if anything, does that feather machine force
of nature?
I don't know of anything thatdoes, or even has ever done,
something like what you'rementioning.
Either way you look at it, theAlaska Triangle is a mysterious
part of the world, the pond orthat is full of the purest
natural beauty.
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Eventually, as topographicalknowledge increases and
surveillance technology improves, more search operations will
take place and more missingpeople and aircraft will be
found.
So that will wrap it up fortoday.
We hope you enjoyed the showand we'll be back in a few weeks
.
When we talk about demons, we'veall heard about them.
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Their imagery is plentifulwithin religious narratives.
Certainly, christian dogma isloaded with the notion of their
existence and there are severalreferences to them in the Bible.
But what are they really?
Are they spiritual entities, asmany people think they are, or
are they something else?
Perhaps stories of demons arenothing more than stories about
(32:19):
extraterrestrials.
Is there a scriptural basis forthat?
After all, we do find thatthere are some similarities in
how they are described by peoplewho say they've experienced
them that being both demons andaliens.
Laurie (32:33):
Yeah, could it be a case of mistaken identity?
If so, do we have evidence ofit, either from religion and
mythology, like you said, joe,or from the accounts given by
people who say they have seenthem or even who have been
abducted by them?
Um, I think that it is going tobe a good show either way.
(32:53):
Um, because that's that's likeour area, you know, and uh, but
uh, but anyway, yeah, um, greattopic, uh, the alaskan triangle.
Um, enjoyed the discussion.
So, just for everybody to know,just an FYI to put out there,
joe and I will be attending theLuis Elizondo presentation at
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the Rialto Theater in Tucson,arizona, on November the 3rd, at
8 pm, which is a Sunday night.
Doors open at 7 pm and we hopethat some of our listeners in
the Phoenix and Tucson areaswill join us there, and I shared
the details of the event on ourFacebook page and we'll be part
(33:36):
of the audience.
We'll be taking notes, so ifyou see us, I'm sure we'll be
wearing our Polo, alien Talk,podcast or ball caps.
Come and say hi if you canattend it.
Joe (33:49):
Yeah, for sure.
We hope to have a great timethere and we look forward to
seeing some of you there as well.
We'd love to meet some of you,our fantastic and loyal
listeners.
So until our next episode,which will be aired in the early
part of November, we hope thatyou have a safe and happy
Halloween for those of you whoare celebrating it.
Also, happy Thanksgiving to ourfriends up in Canada and stay
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Joe (01:33):
So everyone, welcome to the show.
First off, we want to apologizefor the change of venue tonight
.
Unfortunately, our scheduledguest, Doctor Bruce Rapuano,
canceled his appearance with usover the weekend.
As of right now we do not havea future date booked with him,
but we will keep all of youposted if that changes.
Folks here on Alien TalkPodcast, we do like to ask those
(01:57):
questions that are difficult toanswer, because finding out the
truth is often a difficultquest, as many of us do
understand.
Because finding out the truthis often a difficult quest, as
many of us do understand, themethod for demonstrating truth
actually is harder than somemight think, as it necessitates
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a high standard of evidence thatmust hold up the testing.
Are willing to engage in adebate or in a critical analysis
, or are willing to be posedwith questions that are
challenging to answer, you know,for whatever reason that might
be.
Laurie (02:31):
Yeah, that's right, Joe.
Well, here we strive forhonesty and transparency with
our audiences and that means wealways try to be fair in our
discussions of these topics bynot just pondering those ideas
and questions that go along withwhat we are presenting, but
also those that don't go alongwith it.
You know, like, look at thethings from all angles.
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And you, the listeners, deserveto know that the information we
are giving you is properlycritiqued and weighed within the
context of the facts andevidence that has been accepted
into mainstream studies ofscience and history and religion
, et cetera.
So we do our best to bring thatto you and we're not conspiracy
(03:19):
theorists and we're notoccultists or, for that matter,
even advocates of the existenceof extraterrestrial life and
UFOs.
As for me, I do believe thatthere are aliens and UFOs, but I
like to have evidence tosupport my beliefs as well.
But this is why we research anddiscuss what we can, so as to
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share with all of you.
Then you can objectively decidefor yourselves what you believe
and what you accept as truthand if the evidence supports it.
So the guests we interview doget asked the tough questions
and if they claim to have beenabducted or to have seen a
(04:02):
strange light or an object inthe sky and they want to discuss
it on the show.
Well, they need to be preparedto explain what they saw in
sensible and intelligible terms,and we want to know who, what,
where, when, why, how and, ofcourse, to provide any
reasonable proof that they mayhave.
(04:24):
I mean, after all, we weredetectives, right.
Joe (04:27):
Exactly, and for those who have been following our podcast
for a while now know that wehave a system for our
investigation and dialogue ofepisode topics.
First we vet the subjectmaterial so that we know we can
find good source references andthat we're not in any way making
stuff up.
Next, we approach it withskeptical inquiry so that we are
(04:47):
not only hypothesizing oninformation that we know and are
not left to form opinions frommere conjecture or
sensationalism.
And then we examine whatsignificant evidence, if any,
can be usefully assessed andapply to what we learn, and then
on what we can speculate fromthere.
In other words, we do havestandards here.
(05:08):
We don't just take anynarrative and run with it.
Like you said, lori, ouraudiences deserve better when
they elect to tune into ourprogram one out of thousands
that are out there and take thetime to listen to us.
We want to provide the best,which means we believe is always
aiming for the truth.
Just follow the evidence, as wesay, and see where it takes you
(05:31):
.
Laurie (05:32):
Yeah, precisely, and with that we do have a topic to
cover in lieu of Dr Rapinoe'sinterview.
So today we will take a closerlook at something called the
Alaska Triangle.
We will take a closer look atsomething called the Alaska
Triangle.
As its name implies, it is aplace of extraordinary mystery,
just like what is believed aboutthe very well-known and
(05:53):
sinister Bermuda Triangle.
Joe (05:59):
Right, and while almost everyone has heard of the
Bermuda Triangle and knows aboutthe pervasive and age-old tales
associated with it, the AlaskaTriangle is something a little
more from obscurity.
However.
It entails a level of uncannymystery that is almost just as
ominous, if not more so, thanits Bermudan counterpart in the
North Atlantic.
So it is an area of 325,000square miles that encompasses a
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triangular region with the linesgoing from Juneau to Anchorage,
up to Barrow, which is on thecoast of the Beaufort Sea, and
then back down to Juneau, alsocrossing through the province of
Yukon and northern Canada.
For anyone who's familiar withAlaska knows that this part of
it represents some of the mostremote as well as the most harsh
(06:45):
and unforgiving wilderness onearth.
It is also one of the mostnaturally beautiful places, as
much of it is untouched by anysignificant human habitation, no
cities or large settlements.
Any presence of people issparse, and there are parts that
have not been touched at all byhuman beings.
The places are just tooinaccessible.
Laurie (07:09):
Yeah, it is a massive area indeed, and it started
getting public attention back in1972 when a small plane flown
by an experienced bush pilotnamed Don Johns seemed to vanish
into thin air while en routefrom Juneau to Anchorage.
Now, he was carrying someimportant passengers and they
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were US congressmen, includingthen House Majority Leader Hale
Boggs, representative NickBigich and Russell Brown, one of
the aides, big Etch and RussellBrown, one of the aides.
But no wreckage or debris wasever found and there was no
(07:54):
trace of aircraft or the guys onboard.
And a huge search effort waslaunched with nearly 200 various
military and civilian teamsemploying dozens of boats with
radar and sonar and aircraftwith the best surveillance
capability for the time, andthey covered 32,000 square miles
and not a single thing was everrecovered.
(08:17):
In the years afterward, therewere more reports of planes
disappearing without a trace.
There were more reports ofplanes disappearing without a
trace, just like with theBermuda Triangle.
Usually they were going betweenJuneau and Anchorage or Juneau
and Fairbanks, and you wouldthink that a crash plane would
be on fire and that all of thethick brush would have flared up
(08:40):
.
It's not like they were flyingacross the entire state.
They were going from Juneau toAlaska or to, sorry, to
Anchorage, which is roughly 850miles, a relatively short
distance for a flight, and Iguess they could have flown off
course and ended up in the oceanto the south of them, or they
(09:01):
could have crashed into many ofthe uh, you know one of the many
lakes uh up there in that, inthat area, but we just don't
know because we have no trace,we have nothing at all.
Joe (09:11):
Uh, that has been retrieved yeah, but as more than aircraft
, you know, hikers and campershave also gone missing and have
not been found.
Since 1988, more than,000people have disappeared on foot
in the Alaska Triangle,according to Tom Hall, with
IFLSciencecom article dated July24, 2023.
(09:35):
That is more than twice thenational average.
That number 16,000 reported asoverdue and missing.
16,000 reported as overdue andmissing.
Now, since the 1970s, airplaneshave become equipped with
emergency locators called ELTs.
Some more wreckages arerecovered in the Alaska Triangle
, yet some are still not.
They just don't get found inthe rugged terrain, some of
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which is covered by glaciers,and the bodies of the passengers
are rarely found.
On a side note to that 1972incident, al Boggs was a member
of the Warren Commission, whichwe know was the congressional
committee that investigated theJFK assassination a few years
prior, and there was always aconspiracy theory that his
(10:20):
supposed death, or at least hisdisappearance, was in some way
connected to that.
Laurie (10:26):
Yeah, and I mean those numbers.
That is astounding, all thosemissing people, and also
consider that the reports ofUFOs and even Bigfoot sightings
are documented in the hundreds.
So there seems like there maybe a kind of a paranormal vortex
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in Alaska, maybe just likethere are in other parts of the
world in which people encounterodd, strange and anomalous
things.
Now, the 1972 incident is notthe first.
On January 26, 1950, a DouglasC-54D aircraft, anchorage.
It was headed to Anchorage orto Montana from Anchorage,
anchorage.
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It was headed to Anchorage orto Montana from Anchorage and
after only about two hours enroute all radio contact was lost
and it was never heard fromagain.
Over 85 planes were involved inthe search teams, along with
7000 men on the ground, andnothing.
But it is believed to havemaybe crashed into the Canadian
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Yukon, which does border Alaska,and efforts resumed in 2022.
This time they were usingdrones and such to assist the
remote locations that are notaccessible.
But there are speculationsabout how the plane went missing
.
But there are speculationsabout how the plane went missing
.
Some suggested electromagneticpulses, time portals, vortexes,
(11:56):
whatever extraterrestrialinvolvement, even pilot error or
mechanical troubles, as it wassaid to have had some issues
after leaving Texas.
Joe (12:08):
Yeah, this story you're telling about an aircraft
disappearing is almost exactlylike any story we hear about one
disappearing over the BermudaTriangle.
So, like you mentioned, laurie,we've talked about places
around the globe that are knownto be hotspots for strange
activity.
A lot of them pop up along the33rd parallel of which the
Bermuda Triangle is situated.
Other places are along supposedley lines, which are thought to
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be some kind of energy orresonance that exists in these
places along the globe, andthere's abundances of various
UFO sightings and paranormalactivity in those places along
these ley lines.
And then we also have areas thatare near the poles,
particularly the geomagneticpoles.
Take Antarctica, for instance,on which the South Magnetic Pole
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lies, and there are a highpropensity of UFO reports and
other unusual mysteriousoccurrences and all kinds of
bizarre tales that have comefrom Antarctica.
And with the Alaska Triangle wehave a place very close to the
North Magnetic Pole where thereis also a high frequency of
uncanny things, towns such asKetchikan, sitka and Sagwe.
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In those places there have beenreports of strange lights that
were circling silently around inthe sky and are said to be
disks that glow like molten rock.
That glow like molten rock.
But, it's not only UFOs and UAPsand these freaky disappearances
of people who come across inthe Alaska Triangle, but also
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reports of cryptids.
This is a region, actually oneof many regions from around
North America, where sightingsand stories of Sasquatch have
originated, and we know thatthere is a correlation between
anomalies in the Earth'smagnetic field and you know the
strangeness of things thatpeople claim to have experienced
in those places.
Is there a connection betweenthem?
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Some might say yes, claimingthe mysterious interactions
between geomagnetism and thebiological environment, and
you're not completely understood.
So it always raises thequestion of what could be
happening.
Laurie (14:19):
Well, you mentioned cryptids, and there are many
reports of a Sasquatch-lookingcreature that has been
terrifying some of the towns,and one place called Portlock
was abandoned after an unknowncreature that they refer to as
the Nantanac attacked and killedsome some of their residents,
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and it was.
It was so bad that the town wasactually evacuated and no one
has been back there since.
I think it was in 70 years nowsince someone's been there,
since anyone's been there, butin 2020, an experienced mountain
rescuer named Gerald DeBerry.
He became lost in that vicinityas well while he was searching
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for someone else, and days later, the Alaska State Troopers
found his ATV, but they neverfound him.
Very strange, and if you ask,what do you call it?
If you have to ask if a likelyexplanation for this complete
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disappearance isn't somehowrelated to an encounter with
such a creature or maybesomething else.
There is a documentary aboutscenarios on Discovery Plus
called the Alaska Killer Bigfoot, so it's worth checking out.
But in an article titledThousands of People have
Mysteriously Disappeared inAlaska's Bermuda Triangle by
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Cody Go and Alaska's BermudaTriangle by Cody Go, dated
August 1, 2019, gives an essayon the book In Search of the
Kushtaka, Alaska's other Bigfoot, the land otter man of the
Tengit Indians and the author,Dennis Waller, explores the
history of mystical history ofmystical, shape-shifting
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creatures found in stories ofthe Tangit and Tasinian I don't
know if I can pronounce thatright, but Indians who are
indigenous to southeasternAlaska, the Kustada, the AKA
land.
Other man is the Bigfoot of theAlaskan Triangle and legend has
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it that the creature appears totravelers in an irresistible
form, such as a relative or avulnerable child, to lure
victims to a nearby river whereit turns, tears them to shreds
or, you know, turns them intoanother kustaka, I guess, almost
(16:52):
like a werewolf type thing.
But now, whether such a thing,or Sasquatch for that matter, is
real, that's highly debatable,right.
But when you think about it,these kinds of creatures could
easily blend in with the forestvegetation and being very well
concealed and very inaccessible.
So could such species belurking around in vast, cold and
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empty wilderness and as of yetare still not officially
discovered?
Joe (17:22):
We have to keep in mind that it sometimes takes a lot
longer than you would think fora particular species to become
recognized, than you would thinkfor a particular species to
become recognized.
There is an entire branch ofbiology that deals with
categorizing and classifyingplants and animals.
It's called taxonomy.
So look at the giant panda inTibet.
It wasn't discovered throughthis systematic approach until
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1869, and that was by accident.
People thought it didn't exist,meaning scientists up to that
time didn't think they existed.
Scientists who studied mammalsand they couldn't believe that
there was such a thing as avegetarian bear with black and
white fur that feasted on bamboo.
And the panda also don't standout very well in their landscape
(18:07):
environment.
They tend to hide in thickbrush.
Stand out very well in theirlandscape environment.
They tend to hide in thickbrush.
So making any contact with themwas always few and far between.
So none of the stories wereever verified or corroborated.
They just turned into you knowtales.
So certainly there wererandomly spotted, you know,
before People were long beforetheir existence was verified by
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zoology.
And of course we know that newspecies of animals are always
being identified throughfirst-time contact with humans.
That happens even in this dayand age, even in this year At
least first time on record, Ishould say it may be that such
tales from Native Alaskanmythology may have originated
from so-called unofficial andundocumented encounters with
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some of these kinds of unknownanimals, maybe something like
Sasquatch.
Laurie (19:00):
In Alaska, people can go missing for a variety of
reasons.
Those who are missing may havebeen attacked by bears, wolves
or even a possible, you know,some kind of cryptid creature
you know, like the Sasquatch orBigfoot, but maybe there are a
few cases that involve somethingextraterrestrial.
Who knows right?
(19:21):
What we do know is that a skullwas found in 1997 by Alaska
State Troopers belonging to aman named Gary Frank Salterman,
and he went missing in 1977,which is 20 years prior, and
through DNA testing it isbelieved that a bear had
attacked him.
So some things are solved andsome very few people are
(19:45):
actually found.
Joe (19:46):
Yeah, and the fact that there have been so many
unexplained disappearanceswithin the Alaskan Triangle it
leaves us wondering if therearen't any strange phenomena
that are going on, perhaps oneof them being portals in which
rifts in the fabric ofspace-time cause things to
vanish in something like awormhole.
If you remember, laurie, fromour episode about Skinwalker
(20:09):
Ranch, which we did about a yearago, we pointed out how the
idea of interdimensionalitywould help us understand the
possibility.
You know through quantumphysics that entities are able
to move in a way that seems likeinstantaneous travel from one
point in the universe to another, just like with the observed
oddities happening in SkinwalkerRanch in Utah.
(20:31):
We have to wonder if similarkinds of anomalies could exist
in Alaska or other parts of theworld, like the Bermuda Triangle
, by the existence of an energythat causes vortices to form in
certain parts of the space-timecontinuum.
Laurie (20:47):
Yeah, and we also talked about cryptids like Sasquatch,
the Chupacabra or ChupacabraYeti.
The Mothman might be depictionsfrom within the mythological
storytelling of how creaturescould be ultradimensional.
John Keel, in his 1975 book theMothman, prophecies
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abbreviations that may bemanifested from outside our
spectrum of the energy that wehave thus far been able to
measure.
Certain entities, whether ornot they are organic, meaning
even something that is anon-life form, may have the
capacity to transcend dimensionsin ways that we can't.
When we think about somethingas ultra-terrestrial or
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trans-dimensional orinter-dimensional, we're
implying that it is not onlyfrom beyond our Earth, with it
having traveled through spaceand time to get here, but from
beyond what our senses have theability to detect, or at least
to detect in its fullness.
So could the area within theAlaska Triangle be something
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like Skinwalker Ranch, but juston a much larger scale?
Could it have something to dowith energy vortices that are
influenced or even modulated byanomalies within the magnetic
field of the Earth, say?
Joe (22:24):
Right, and while we may not fully understand how magnetism
or the poles would havesomething to do with any of
these kinds of phenomena, it isinteresting because recent
research in quantum physics hasshown that it is energy from the
atomic forces, namely gravityand electromagnetism, that have
a lot to do with our conceptsbehind the formation of black
(22:47):
holes and wormholes.
So could there be a theoreticalfactor to the occurrence of
such things, and might theyinvolve something like
interdimensionality, like yousaid?
Doing so manifests entitiesthat may seem like creatures or
some kind of shape-shiftingforms.
And not enough is known to sayfor sure what effects on energy
(23:09):
are more pronounced near thepoles of a magnet and what
observations have been madeabout that.
We just don't know.
We don't think enough studieshave been done about that kind
of subject.
Laurie (23:22):
Exactly so.
To be clear, there is much tothese mysteries that are unknown
and nebulous.
I think we've already mentionedthat the environment itself can
be a contributable factor tomany of these disappearances and
strange sightings.
The landscape of the Alaskanwilderness can be very
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unpredictable and unforgivingthere are a lot of thick brush,
wild untamed creatures, slopingmountains, cold, freezing
weather.
You know many, many lakes andmore.
Some believe that vortexes,whether from energy or air
currents which has also beenreported in the Bermuda Triangle
(24:07):
that swirl through, can causedisorientation and mess with
people's minds.
So there have been reports ofconfusion and dizziness in some
rescue personnel from some ofthese unknown sources.
Joe (24:23):
Yeah, so it's easy to attribute the disappearances of
airplanes and the pilotsencountering something like
turbulent and ever-changingweather over that highly
mountainous region.
Yet the numbers seem toostaggering for it to be such an
easy answer.
One potential reason fordisappearing planes is that the
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terrain utterly obliterates anywreckages from view from above.
Search planes and consider how,in 1947, british south american
airways which I guess is theold four, one or four runner to
now british airways, uh, islancastrian three airliner
stardust.
It disappeared while en routefrom buenos a, argentina, to
(25:06):
Santiago, chile.
Now, this was not in Alaska.
However, the environment there,with the terrain and weather
issues, is closely similar andits fate was unknown for over 50
years until two Argentinianclimbers found it up on Mount
Tupinago in 1998.
Later it was concluded byaviation investigators that the
(25:33):
stardust had likely crashed intoa nearly vertical glacier,
which caused an avalanche thatburied all the wreckage within
just a few minutes.
However, it doesn't seem likelythat such avalanches, in which
the conditions are the same,would have occurred in every
plane that's gone missing,particularly all of the ones
that have been from over theAlaska Triangle.
(25:55):
Then there's always thequestion about hikers and random
residents go missing, in whichairplane flight is not even a
factor.
There is one in 1986 that isfairly well-known and documented
there's even a book about itand that is Japan Airlines
Flight 1628 from Paris to Naritain Japan.
(26:17):
And that one was in the AlaskaTriangle.
It was a Boeing 747 carryingcargo and it was piloted by
Captain Tereruchi.
He reported that it was a clearnight at 35,000 feet and the
aircraft was just above thebright city lights of Fairbanks,
and he said that he noticed apale white light behind him.
(26:38):
He stated in his report to oursurprise, we observed the
silhouette of a very largespaceship.
We felt the need to takeevasive action promptly, Captain
Terucci, in coordination withthe FAA's Anchorage Control
Center, he executed evasivemaneuvers such as flying in a
(26:58):
circular pattern and alteringhis altitude, but the large UFO,
later estimated by Terucci,could be about the size of two
aircraft carriers.
It maintained its position thewhole time in relation to the
747 throughout all of itsmaneuvers, and it did so for a
distance of about 400 miles.
Laurie (27:19):
Yeah, one of the most famous UFO stories out of Alaska
period.
Yeah, in the most famous CFOstories out of Alaska period.
Now there were two otheraircraft that had a visual on
Flight 1628.
One was a United Airlinespassenger plane and the other
was an Air Force C-130.
The pilots of neither of thosewere able to see what Tarucci
(27:43):
saw or was describing.
While the personnel at theAnchorage Center said they saw
objects on radar as being nearthe plane, the ones at Fairbanks
Air Traffic Control did not seethem at all on their radar.
But Terucci landed in Anchorageand he and the crew debriefed
the FAA officials.
(28:04):
The crew debriefed the FAAofficials and they were all
determined to be in a normalstate of mind, with no signs of
being under the influence ofanything.
And you have to ask, you know,why would airline pilots like
him want to, you know,jeopardize their career and make
something up right?
Well, right and make somethingup right.
Joe (28:23):
Well, right, and about a year later, a UFO investigator,
philip Klass.
He told Aviation Week and SpaceTechnology magazine that the
planets Jupiter and Saturn wouldhave been quite visible the
night of that incident.
And he also said it is notuncommon for pilots to mistake
those planets, or UFOs as theyappear from the pilot's
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perspective, to be closelyfollowing the aircraft's
movement, almost like aformation.
And Klaas did note that Teruchiused the words spaceship and
mothership in his reports.
However, it was found that hedid contradict what he told the
aircraft controllers.
Apparently, he told them thathe did lose sight of the objects
(29:07):
and his report.
He said that the objectsfollowed him every move he made.
Laurie (29:14):
You know that's the same excuse that everybody gives
that don't believe in any typeof sightings.
It had to be Jupiter, it had tobe Venus or some type of star,
which is totally farce.
To be Venus or some type ofstar, which is totally farce
because you can tell every nightwhat a you mean.
Tell me that a pilot you knowan airline pilot don't know the
difference between a star and anevening star and a large object
(29:38):
that's like the size of twoaircraft carriers.
Yeah, I think that's so lamewhenever they make those types
of explanations.
Well, I mean, tarucci reportedother sightings over Alaska in
which the lights not onlyfollowed him but were flashing
different colors.
Regardless, the FAA didn't seemto think he had a lot of
(30:01):
credibility.
But, as we've been saying,aeronautical issues are just one
part of it, and there areindeed many others like Tarachis
.
So the stories of such bizarreexperiences go back far, all the
way to the 18th century, whenthe Russians first settled in
(30:24):
Alaska.
Almost none of them weredocumented until about 100 years
ago.
And then one from 1956, therewas an account of someone who
was fishing, was approached by abipedal, ape-like creature that
was eight feet tall andapproximately 400 pounds.
(30:44):
He obviously lived to tellabout it.
And subsequently, in 1960,another incident not far from
that one involved a young boywho was frightened to the extent
of screaming and fleeing fromthe area, and other reports
involved people witnessing verylarge trees that were, you know,
(31:06):
pulled up out of the ground andturned upside down.
And they were pulled up out ofthe ground and the roots were
like pointing straight towardsthe sky, like what animal does
that right?
Joe (31:16):
well, what, if anything, does that feather machine force
of nature?
I don't know of anything thatdoes, or even has ever done,
something like what you'rementioning.
Either way you look at it, theAlaska Triangle is a mysterious
part of the world, the pond orthat is full of the purest
natural beauty.
(31:36):
Eventually, as topographicalknowledge increases and
surveillance technology improves, more search operations will
take place and more missingpeople and aircraft will be
found.
So that will wrap it up fortoday.
We hope you enjoyed the showand we'll be back in a few weeks
.
When we talk about demons, we'veall heard about them.
(31:57):
Their imagery is plentifulwithin religious narratives.
Certainly, christian dogma isloaded with the notion of their
existence and there are severalreferences to them in the Bible.
But what are they really?
Are they spiritual entities, asmany people think they are, or
are they something else?
Perhaps stories of demons arenothing more than stories about
(32:19):
extraterrestrials.
Is there a scriptural basis forthat?
After all, we do find thatthere are some similarities in
how they are described by peoplewho say they've experienced
them that being both demons andaliens.
Laurie (32:33):
Yeah, could it be a case of mistaken identity?
If so, do we have evidence ofit, either from religion and
mythology, like you said, joe,or from the accounts given by
people who say they have seenthem or even who have been
abducted by them?
Um, I think that it is going tobe a good show either way.
(32:53):
Um, because that's that's likeour area, you know, and uh, but
uh, but anyway, yeah, um, greattopic, uh, the alaskan triangle.
Um, enjoyed the discussion.
So, just for everybody to know,just an FYI to put out there,
joe and I will be attending theLuis Elizondo presentation at
(33:14):
the Rialto Theater in Tucson,arizona, on November the 3rd, at
8 pm, which is a Sunday night.
Doors open at 7 pm and we hopethat some of our listeners in
the Phoenix and Tucson areaswill join us there, and I shared
the details of the event on ourFacebook page and we'll be part
(33:36):
of the audience.
We'll be taking notes, so ifyou see us, I'm sure we'll be
wearing our Polo, alien Talk,podcast or ball caps.
Come and say hi if you canattend it.
Joe (33:49):
Yeah, for sure.
We hope to have a great timethere and we look forward to
seeing some of you there as well.
We'd love to meet some of you,our fantastic and loyal
listeners.
So until our next episode,which will be aired in the early
part of November, we hope thatyou have a safe and happy
Halloween for those of you whoare celebrating it.
Also, happy Thanksgiving to ourfriends up in Canada and stay
(34:13):
curious everyone.
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