June 19, 2024 • 29 mins
For this show, we venture into the fascinating intersection of mythology and science fiction through the lens of Battlestar Galactica. From the original 1970s series to the 2000s reboot, we uncover how certain pagan and celestial references are ingeniously woven into the storyline with names like Pegasus, Commander Adama, and Lieutenant Athena aren't just characters—they're symbols of a grander narrative that tie the drama into the premises of the ancient astronaut theory.
We also focus on Caprica, the prequel series that adds further depth to this rich universe and also on how the human survivors of a millennia-long war with the Cylons seek out the elusive 13th Colony, which is here on planet Earth. You'll find intriguing connections to the Hebrew Bible's creation story and the reptilian attributes of the Cylons. Mormon cosmology is also significant, particularly the parallels between planet names of Kolob and Kobol, showcasing creator Glenn Larson's intent to infuse the narrative with elements of Mormonism.
As we round out our discussion, the thematic richness comes to light with love, betrayal, vengeance, and theology and forms a complex web that mirrors real-world advancements in AI. We delve into the series' depiction of the android robot Cylons integrating into their society, drawing parallels to actual automation, and show how there are religious undertones to it, such as creation and resurrection. The story reminds us of the poignancy to what the late astrophysicist Carl Sagan had once said about us being made of "star stuff" and helps us ponder the possibility of our origins from the out there in the cosmos.
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Joe (00:02):
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Joe (01:52):
All right.
So this is the second show inour series covering the
mythology of sci-fi, where weclosely examine the so-called
truth and fiction to find whatlies in the substrate of our
imaginations, which revealsintuitive knowledge about our
actual universe.
So we are selecting severalsci-fi movies or television
series to explore the meaning ofthe mythology behind them and
(02:14):
asking if there are any nuggetsof truth to be found in the
telling of the fiction.
Laurie (02:20):
Yeah, that's right.
So last time we looked at StarTrek not only the movie, but the
entire theme and the storylinebehind its whole creation.
With that we pointed out howthere is a synergy between the
telling of fiction and thediscoveries we were prominent in
the 1990s and the nextgeneration became inventions
(02:48):
that we actually have at ourdisposal right now, and we
discussed how the Star Trekcivilization may be an example
of humanity's future, and thisis where we talked about how it
may be attainable, like eitherby our own doing or by an
outside helper, mainly that ofextraterrestrials, and whether
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this be by, you know, giving usthe calculations to a future
warp drive so we can travelabout the galaxy, or if they
provide us with how to sustainfood and water better.
You know, perhaps even show ushow to prolong our lifespans by
decades, or even a century ortwo.
But today we're going todiscuss the influence and the
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significance of another iconicscience fiction story that was
made for television and that isBattlestar Galactica.
Now, the first series, theoriginal series, started back in
the late 70s and then there wasa reboot that went from 2004 to
2009, which was based on that,with some variations.
Some might say that the plot isa little darker in that one
(03:53):
than the original show, and thatis.
You know well that it hasbetter cinematography.
But like with most movies, thatvery first episode seems to
hold the core of what becomesthe canon of the entire saga.
So if you haven't seen theoriginal 1970s series, I
recommend that you give them awatch, at least the pilot
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episode.
Joe (04:18):
Indeed, and for those who are old enough to remember the
1978 airing of BattlestarGalactica as you and I are, L
laurie you remember that itreally hit the mark on
presenting the idea of theancient astronaut theory in a
pretty vivid way.
That's the way I recall it.
The names of the characters ofthe spaceships and the actors
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had mythological and celestialreferences.
There was the ship theBattlestar Pegasus, you had
Medtech, cassiopeia, lieutenantsAthena and Sheba, count Baltar,
commander Adama, who was playedby Lorne Green, a very famous
actor known for his role inBonanza, which was a 1960s
(05:02):
cowboy western TV show, andactually one of the actors in
that series also appears in anewer one.
It's Richard Hatch.
He plays the character TomZarek in the new one.
In the old one he is CaptainApollo.
So you can see how those namesreally put the symbolic imagery
right into the forefront of thestory in a very dramatic way.
Laurie (05:24):
And there was even a Lieutenant Starbuck, reminiscent
of the Starbucks coffee, orthat name might be used to sound
like Buck Rogers, I don't know.
The character on the show isplayed by Dirk Benedict.
He kind of was like a buck, ayoung buck, you might say.
I think he was, wasn't he facein the A-Team too?
(05:45):
He?
Joe (05:45):
was, he was, and that is that's when he jumped the shark
after that.
He hasn't seen many other moviessince then, at least none that
I remember, and that was fromback in the early 80s.
But yeah, and you know,Battlestar Galactica was
actually made even morememorable to me, and probably
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others as well, because it wasduring that pilot show on
September 17th 1978.
It was aired on ABC as a Sundaynight special and we watched
the news interruption of theCantabria Accord, with then
President Jimmy Carter meetingwith Israeli Prime Minister
Menachem Begin and EgyptianPresident Anwar Sadat for a
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peace treaty.
And it was a historic event andthis roused my parents'
attention.
They became very excitedbecause of how that was seen at
that time to be a fulfillment ofbiblical prophecy and thus a
major sign that Jesus' secondcoming is near.
So the whole thing had a ratherethereal and surreal hammer to
it.
You have this storyline withelements of paganism sort of
(06:52):
juxtaposed within something of amood of Christian belief and
Christian eschatology you saidit was a Sunday night.
Laurie (07:01):
Was it really a Sunday night or are you sure it wasn't
on a Friday?
Joe (07:04):
Yeah, I remember I was not allowed to stay up and watch the
whole thing because it was on aschool night.
My parents let me stay uppretty late, but not too late.
I was in fourth grade and Ithink they let me stay up to
about 11 o'clock.
That was it.
Of course, the Camp Davidinterruption made the show get
dragged on to a later time, soit probably went to about
midnight and I did not get thecdn.
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I just ran too late.
Laurie (07:28):
So that was a bummer yeah, that that is a bummer.
So the whole show was justabsolutely steeped in ancient
alien allegory and symbolism andit really painted a good
picture, especially for thattime, of the full concept of
that whole idea.
And it was done throughcinematic means on a television
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show.
And think of the start of theintro with the narrator saying
there are those who believe thatlife here began out there, with
tribes of humans far across theuniverse who may have been the
forefathers of the Egyptians orthe Toltecs or the Mayans.
And that's almost dead on to thebasic premise of Chariots of
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the Gods and the EarthChronicles series, the books by
Eric Von Daniken and ZachariahSitchin that we've brought up so
many times and that many peopleknow of them through the whole
ancient alien theory many times,and that many people know of
them through the whole ancientalien theory.
And that's what we want to dohere on Alien Talk Podcast is
show how the ancient alientheory is woven into the fabric
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of our society and has been fromthe earliest of times.
We can see its importance inthe movies and how it affects us
and how it will continue toinfluence us well into the
future of our space explorationand perhaps one day humans will
travel to other planets andbecome the ancient aliens to the
possible indigenous life formsthat live on them.
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And one day we may become thesky people who descend from the
heavens to instill the laws ofcivilization.
Joe (09:01):
Well, that is a very profound sentiment, ari, and we
have to understand that.
The ancient alien theory is adifferent perspective on the
religious beliefs and religioustexts that were handed down to
us.
It's a modern perspective onwhat could have happened in
ancient times, with the storiesof miracles and the stories of
the divine that allow us tofocus on a possible
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extraterrestrial answer atangible answer, as opposed to
merely deferring to spiritualand supernatural ones, which are
intangible answers.
So a film like BattlestarGalactica can really solidify
the thought processes that makeus ponder such things.
I mean, heck, even the helmetsused by the pilots of those
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slick fighter ships, the Vipersthey looked like the Egyptian
Nims the headpieces that we seein all those ancient hieroglyphs
and artwork.
So the producers were definitelytrying to create the impression
of ancient aliens in thetelling of the whole saga and
you get that sense as you watchall the episodes, all the way up
to the end.
Laurie (10:08):
Yeah, so in Battlestar Galactica, the spaceship of the
same name, as the story goes, iscarrying surviving humans from
a thousand year war, with theCylons on their search to find
the 13th colony of humans livingon a planet called Earth.
Now, we don't believe thathumans, in the form we are now,
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came from another planet to thisone.
However, our ancestors, insomewhat of a different form or
appearance, may have Ourgenealogy, may have descended
from the stars.
Hence we are created in theirimage and after their likeness,
just as it says in the HebrewBible right.
Joe (10:46):
Yeah, and we also find that there is a reptilian attribute
to it as well, particularly withthat character known as the
Imperious Leader.
From the very first fewshowings.
These are the Cylons, who arethe creators of those
scary-looking android robotsthat are also called Cylons.
Now, in the original series,the reptilian species of Cylons
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are mostly extinct, but it isapparent that they saw humans as
a nuisance and that they neededto get rid of them, and the
androids made by them are onthat very mission.
Laurie (11:21):
So to really shed light on the ancient alien connection
that is part of BattlestarGalactica, we need to bring up
another series, which is calledCaprica.
It is the prequel to the mainstory and it is set 58 years
before the fall of civilizationin the extended saga.
So planet Caprica is one of the12 colonies of humanity, and we
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must warn you, though, if youhaven't seen any of these shows,
there are spoilers, so spoileralert, but for sure it is
definitely worth watching if youhaven't already.
And we must do this in orderfor you know, we want you guys
to get a grasp on what we areattempting to teach to you about
the ancient alien theoriesinfluence on these sci-fi
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stories.
Again, even though they arefictitious, we are wanting to
reveal the truths within themthat may one day become our very
own reality.
Joe (12:19):
Right.
Caprica became part of theBattlestar Galactica franchise
in 2010, and it is definitelyworth watching.
The style is different,especially with how the
characters are dressed.
It begins with a rebelliousteenager named Zoe, who is the
daughter of a wealthy Capricancomputer engineer named Daniel
Greystone, and she leavesCaprica, with her boyfriend and
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his best friend, for theneighboring planet of Gaminon.
However, all three of thefriends belong to a monotheistic
cult that is called theSoldiers of the One, and this is
a religion that does not honorthe polytheistic beliefs of the
colonies, who worship the lordsof Kobol.
Laurie (13:01):
Yeah.
So, as you can see, this is astoryline that is loaded with
stuff from the ancient alientheory.
It tells of our ancestorsoriginating on a whole different
planet, from across the stars,and this is set in a time from
probably millions of years ago,and it is full of drama and
politics of any advancedcivilization.
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And what's interesting to noteis that the creators were sure
to insert the constant strifebetween religious beliefs.
The 12 colonies worshipdifferent gods, while the one
labeled as a cult worships theone, true god.
It is this cult, themonotheistic one, that uses
suicide bombers to promote theiragenda.
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Yet notice the name of thepolyistic one it's called the
Lords of Kobol, again aplurality that we have become
acquainted with from learningabout the Sumerian Anunnaki,
where we get a pantheon of acouncil of 12 gods or lords.
Joe (14:01):
And if this outline sounds familiar, it's because it is
found in the cosmology of theMormon religion, in which the
heaven planet where God is at,is called Kolob, as it is the
creator of Battlestar Galactica.
Glenn Larson was a devoutmember of the Church of Jesus
Christ of Latter-day Saints andhe meant to dramatize on that.
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He just transposed the L andthe B to make Kolob Kobol.
Now Kolob is mentioned in averse hymn found in the Mormon
scripture, known as the Pearl ofGreat Price, and Kolob is a
place, is a star, or a planet,or a star with its planet that
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is somewhere in our galaxy andthat is where God dwells.
So Larson had been a writer anda screen director since the
1950s and had worked on manysuccessful TV shows, some of
them you may remember, likeKnight Rider, the Fall Guy and
the Six Million Dollar man.
He worked on the script forabout 10 years with the help of
(15:04):
Gene Kuhn, another big-timescript writer.
Interestingly, the title Larsonwanted to use initially was
Adam's Ark, which again reallydelivers the message about
humanity's extraterrestrialorigin, and Battlestar Galactica
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to get the word star in thereas a way to capitalize on the
popularity of other contemporarymovies that used it, namely
Star Trek and Star Wars.
Of course, the influence ofMormonism is evident in Kobol
being the name of the homeplanet from which 13 tribes of
humans depart, and it is meantto sound very much like Kolob,
considered by the LDS church asto be the heavenly seat
(15:50):
somewhere out there, possibly inthe very center of the Milky
Way galaxy.
Laurie (15:55):
Well, I guess the Mormons are divided as to the
exact meaning.
Some have tried to explain thatKolob is not so much a literal
star or planet, but that it ismetaphorically represented that
way, and this is to put God in amore transcendental way that is
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more consistent with thetraditional view of him.
God can't just exist on asimple planet.
That is supposed to be heaven,right, but that's just what
heaven may truly be Anotherplanet out there where our
consciousness is uploaded, likeinto an avatar of some type on a
new world.
Joe (16:36):
And if you recall, laurie, that almost three years ago,
close to the time we startedthis podcast program, we did two
episodes that covered theextraterrestrial aspects to the
Mormon religion with our guestsRyan and Mike, who are both
former Latter-day Saints.
That was one of the thingsbrought up is how God and humans
exist as both body and spirit,and how God can exist as we
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traditionally think of him, asspirit, but also exist on a
planet.
Laurie (17:06):
Right.
We traditionally think of themas spirit, but also exist on a
planet Right, and if you want toknow more about the whole
Mormonism connection to theancient alien theory, we
encourage you to go back andlisten to those, as well as the
one called Planet Heaven.
We explain it all prettythoroughly in those episodes.
So anyway, in Caprica, which,along with the Battlestar
Galactica reboot of the 2000s,does differ in some ways from
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the original series, we have thecharacter Zoe getting killed,
but she had visited some sort ofteenage club where she was able
to create a sentient digitalrepresentation of herself.
And Greystone meets withanother grieving parent named
Joseph Adama.
Greystone meets with anothergrieving parent named Joseph
(17:47):
Adama Daniel.
Greystone offers to create aclone of Joseph's daughter and
wife if he is able to steal aprocessor.
Adama agrees and the stolenchip allows Greystone to
construct a robot called a Cylonwith great strength and agility
.
He then tries to resurrect hisdaughter, zoe, by downloading
her into the Cylon's artificialbody.
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After all is said and done, theCaprican government orders a
mass production of Cylons formilitary use, and the prototype
was not designed to be sentient,but it did obtain a unique AI,
and no one is aware that Zoe'savatar survived, except for her
friend Lacey, who Zoe calledfrom a lab.
Joe (18:29):
And you're right about those newer shows.
They are not quite in line withthe story that we get from the
original.
But regarding something like AI,artificial intelligence we must
ask will humans one day createan android that will look and
feel just like a human?
Well, we see that it is alreadybeing done.
However, we haven't created atleast not right now one that
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looks like us.
It may look like us I shouldsay it does look like us but
does not have our essence, whichis consciousness.
But what if we are able tocreate such android robots that
can become sentient Ones, thatsomehow find a way to learn, or,
more accurately, learn toupload human consciousness into
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their brains and have itinterconnect with all the
sensory data?
This may be the way we'll endup prolonging our lifespans into
the centuries, and without theneed for things like food or
water.
Think about that.
There have been movies that dodepict this.
There is the one from 2014called Transcendence, with
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Johnny Depp, and it shows a manof great knowledge, a software
engineer, who has advancedknowledge about this, being able
to upload his conscious into alarge quantum computer.
So can something like this bedone?
Clearly, at this point, we canonly formulate it in our
imaginations.
Consider what the Apostle Paulwrote in 1 Thessalonians 4,
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16-17, in which he says JesusChrist will one day return to
take his believers home toheaven.
However, in doing so, accordingto the scripture verse, the
bodies of the believers are tochange.
They are to put off the mortalgarment and put on the immortal
ones.
Laurie (20:16):
Yeah, and this could mean one of two things Either
the bodies become spiritual,where we float around like
ghosts, or is the consciousnessof the person uploaded into a
sentient replica of themselves.
Taking what Jesus said in John14, 4-6, that he is going away
to prepare a place for hisbelievers and will one day
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return for them to live where heis, could this be another
planet like Kolob?
And could it be people livingin sentient avatars of
themselves, living forever withno more tears and no more need
for water, as it said inRevelation 21.6?
The only two conceivablepossibilities for this to occur
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are either spiritual orartificial intelligence.
So, based on what we know nowfrom how ancients perceived
technology and how theyunderstood events back then, I'm
inclined to lean more towardsthe latter, unless our
consciousness is in some waylinked to another flesh and
blood body on another planetthat is better suited to live on
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it, much like what was depictedin the James Cameron movie
Avatar, and maybe that's whathumans are right now sentient
and conscious beings born orlinked into the body of its
avatar here on Earth, and thesebodies that we're living in now
are suited for this planet.
Is this why we are the onlyspecies that ponders about its
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purpose and why it is here.
So the whole series of Caprica.
It's full of love, it'sbetrayal, it's revenge, it's
hate, violence, politics andreligion, and the series has a
slew of assassinations in orderto obtain an agenda.
And all the drama in ourearthly civilization.
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The creators of the series weresure to incorporate it all into
the fiction story.
As the series ends, the futureof Caprica is seen where Cylons
have been accepted into societyand working jobs that humans do
not want.
Sound familiar.
Joe (22:19):
It makes me think of the Styx song and video, mr Roboto.
Thank you very much, mr Roboto,for doing a job that no one
wanted to.
Just thought when you said that, but yeah, eventually in the
story, a character known as theBlessed Mother begins to teach
the Cylons to worship God.
She teaches them that they areGod's children and are equal to
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humans, and that they can becomemore than that.
She preaches of the one thatloves them and that their belief
in God will give them the powerto destroy their creators.
A virtual copy of Zoe is thenseen in the audience.
Finally, a scene has Daniel andAmada Greystone completing a
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human-looking skin-jaw body fortheir daughter's avatar, giving
it a fleshy appearance asopposed to looking like a robot,
and the Zou Greystone is seenrising from a small pool,
similar to the Cylonresurrection tanks that were
seen in the series of BattlestarGalactica, essentially having
(23:23):
been reborn into the real world.
Laurie (23:27):
Yeah, has a religious theme.
It's like Jesus preached beingborn again.
Joe (23:34):
Yes, through a pool through a liquid, through water.
I think that was water thatthey used, but it gave the same
impression, right?
Laurie (23:49):
That's what we get with these religious stories, and we
know that Cylons have beenaccepted into our society and
have been working jobs that wedo not want, and even before the
2010 television prophecy ofCaprica the prophecy of Caprica
we had computers and robotstaking over human jobs.
Now we have computers doing thisin manufacturing.
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Now, we had computers doingthis in the manufacturing
companies for many years, but,however, we now have robots
bringing you your food in somerestaurants, and they have
limited the need for cashiersand stores like Walmart and
Target and grocery stores, etcetera, and anytime you call a
place of business, it's usuallyan automated teller walking you
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through the options process.
And so the original series hasthese Cylons being created by an
ancient reptilian race that mayhave been destroyed by the
Cylons, which sounds like thetypical creation, destroys the
creator scenario.
So, while humans eventuallydefeat the Anylons, which sounds
like the typical creation,destroys the creator scenario.
So, while humans eventuallydefeat the Anunnaki, when they
(24:57):
return to enslave us or whatever, and if it is determined that
they, the Anunnaki, did createhumans, then well, we end up
warring against our gods somedayA scary thought when you really
think about it.
Joe (25:09):
Yeah, and so, as you can see, battlestar Galactica
certainly has an ancient alientheme going on.
The Homo sapiens hybrid maywell have come from out there in
the cosmos.
As Carl Sagan used to say, weare made of star stuff.
Could we be the aliens on thisplanet?
So, even though this is sciencefiction, could there have been
(25:32):
something to it, like a race ofbeings like us, living on this
planet millions of years ago,that had once descended in
spaceships to Earth to call ittheir new home?
Maybe that's the way it waswith the Atlanteans, who are now
gone but who brought forth herethe genesis of human existence
as we know it.
It's hard to say what all thereis, maybe hidden below us or up
(25:55):
above us, like on the moon oron Mars, just waiting to be
discovered, something that willchange the course of our history
.
Laurie (26:04):
Exactly, and we are eventually going to solve many
more mysteries about our planetand about the civilizations that
have come and gone.
So in our next episode we'regoing to talk about a television
miniseries that became anothercult classic from the 80s, and
it went from 1983 to 1985.
And I wish it could have beenlonger, and it is quite eerie,
(26:26):
to say the least.
And that is the show that isknown uh, none other than v yes,
it.
Joe (26:34):
It's definitely one of the more distinctive ones from my
youth.
Um, it did have a reboot fortwo seasons from 2009 to 2011.
It didn't quite take off likethe original one.
Um, and some of you out theredo remember the miniseries that
ran back in the day.
Others are probably too young,but it is a pretty cool alien
story and the special effectswere pretty good for that time
(27:00):
especially.
It was state-of-the-art specialeffects for miniseries on TV
and we will be discussing howthe reptilian agenda ties in
with that story and what we cantake from that one.
So that will do it for today'sshow.
We hope we piqued your interestand hope you continue to follow
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us through this series, as wehave many in-depth discussions
to come.
So until next time, stay safeand stay curious.
Hello everybody, thank you for joining us on Alien Talk
Podcast.
This is a show where we discussall things about aliens and
UFOs and, as always, where wepush the limits of our
understanding.
We are, joe and Lori, here onceagain to seek the truth and
find the facts pertaining to thehighly discussed issues about
extraterrestrial life and theexistence of UFOs.
Before we dive in, stay tunedfor a message from our special
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Joe (01:52):
All right.
So this is the second show inour series covering the
mythology of sci-fi, where weclosely examine the so-called
truth and fiction to find whatlies in the substrate of our
imaginations, which revealsintuitive knowledge about our
actual universe.
So we are selecting severalsci-fi movies or television
series to explore the meaning ofthe mythology behind them and
(02:14):
asking if there are any nuggetsof truth to be found in the
telling of the fiction.
Laurie (02:20):
Yeah, that's right.
So last time we looked at StarTrek not only the movie, but the
entire theme and the storylinebehind its whole creation.
With that we pointed out howthere is a synergy between the
telling of fiction and thediscoveries we were prominent in
the 1990s and the nextgeneration became inventions
(02:48):
that we actually have at ourdisposal right now, and we
discussed how the Star Trekcivilization may be an example
of humanity's future, and thisis where we talked about how it
may be attainable, like eitherby our own doing or by an
outside helper, mainly that ofextraterrestrials, and whether
(03:09):
this be by, you know, giving usthe calculations to a future
warp drive so we can travelabout the galaxy, or if they
provide us with how to sustainfood and water better.
You know, perhaps even show ushow to prolong our lifespans by
decades, or even a century ortwo.
But today we're going todiscuss the influence and the
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significance of another iconicscience fiction story that was
made for television and that isBattlestar Galactica.
Now, the first series, theoriginal series, started back in
the late 70s and then there wasa reboot that went from 2004 to
2009, which was based on that,with some variations.
Some might say that the plot isa little darker in that one
(03:53):
than the original show, and thatis.
You know well that it hasbetter cinematography.
But like with most movies, thatvery first episode seems to
hold the core of what becomesthe canon of the entire saga.
So if you haven't seen theoriginal 1970s series, I
recommend that you give them awatch, at least the pilot
(04:17):
episode.
Joe (04:18):
Indeed, and for those who are old enough to remember the
1978 airing of BattlestarGalactica as you and I are, L
laurie you remember that itreally hit the mark on
presenting the idea of theancient astronaut theory in a
pretty vivid way.
That's the way I recall it.
The names of the characters ofthe spaceships and the actors
(04:41):
had mythological and celestialreferences.
There was the ship theBattlestar Pegasus, you had
Medtech, cassiopeia, lieutenantsAthena and Sheba, count Baltar,
commander Adama, who was playedby Lorne Green, a very famous
actor known for his role inBonanza, which was a 1960s
(05:02):
cowboy western TV show, andactually one of the actors in
that series also appears in anewer one.
It's Richard Hatch.
He plays the character TomZarek in the new one.
In the old one he is CaptainApollo.
So you can see how those namesreally put the symbolic imagery
right into the forefront of thestory in a very dramatic way.
Laurie (05:24):
And there was even a Lieutenant Starbuck, reminiscent
of the Starbucks coffee, orthat name might be used to sound
like Buck Rogers, I don't know.
The character on the show isplayed by Dirk Benedict.
He kind of was like a buck, ayoung buck, you might say.
I think he was, wasn't he facein the A-Team too?
(05:45):
He?
Joe (05:45):
was, he was, and that is that's when he jumped the shark
after that.
He hasn't seen many other moviessince then, at least none that
I remember, and that was fromback in the early 80s.
But yeah, and you know,Battlestar Galactica was
actually made even morememorable to me, and probably
(06:05):
others as well, because it wasduring that pilot show on
September 17th 1978.
It was aired on ABC as a Sundaynight special and we watched
the news interruption of theCantabria Accord, with then
President Jimmy Carter meetingwith Israeli Prime Minister
Menachem Begin and EgyptianPresident Anwar Sadat for a
(06:28):
peace treaty.
And it was a historic event andthis roused my parents'
attention.
They became very excitedbecause of how that was seen at
that time to be a fulfillment ofbiblical prophecy and thus a
major sign that Jesus' secondcoming is near.
So the whole thing had a ratherethereal and surreal hammer to
it.
You have this storyline withelements of paganism sort of
(06:52):
juxtaposed within something of amood of Christian belief and
Christian eschatology you saidit was a Sunday night.
Laurie (07:01):
Was it really a Sunday night or are you sure it wasn't
on a Friday?
Joe (07:04):
Yeah, I remember I was not allowed to stay up and watch the
whole thing because it was on aschool night.
My parents let me stay uppretty late, but not too late.
I was in fourth grade and Ithink they let me stay up to
about 11 o'clock.
That was it.
Of course, the Camp Davidinterruption made the show get
dragged on to a later time, soit probably went to about
midnight and I did not get thecdn.
(07:27):
I just ran too late.
Laurie (07:28):
So that was a bummer yeah, that that is a bummer.
So the whole show was justabsolutely steeped in ancient
alien allegory and symbolism andit really painted a good
picture, especially for thattime, of the full concept of
that whole idea.
And it was done throughcinematic means on a television
(07:49):
show.
And think of the start of theintro with the narrator saying
there are those who believe thatlife here began out there, with
tribes of humans far across theuniverse who may have been the
forefathers of the Egyptians orthe Toltecs or the Mayans.
And that's almost dead on to thebasic premise of Chariots of
(08:11):
the Gods and the EarthChronicles series, the books by
Eric Von Daniken and ZachariahSitchin that we've brought up so
many times and that many peopleknow of them through the whole
ancient alien theory many times,and that many people know of
them through the whole ancientalien theory.
And that's what we want to dohere on Alien Talk Podcast is
show how the ancient alientheory is woven into the fabric
(08:32):
of our society and has been fromthe earliest of times.
We can see its importance inthe movies and how it affects us
and how it will continue toinfluence us well into the
future of our space explorationand perhaps one day humans will
travel to other planets andbecome the ancient aliens to the
possible indigenous life formsthat live on them.
(08:53):
And one day we may become thesky people who descend from the
heavens to instill the laws ofcivilization.
Joe (09:01):
Well, that is a very profound sentiment, ari, and we
have to understand that.
The ancient alien theory is adifferent perspective on the
religious beliefs and religioustexts that were handed down to
us.
It's a modern perspective onwhat could have happened in
ancient times, with the storiesof miracles and the stories of
the divine that allow us tofocus on a possible
(09:24):
extraterrestrial answer atangible answer, as opposed to
merely deferring to spiritualand supernatural ones, which are
intangible answers.
So a film like BattlestarGalactica can really solidify
the thought processes that makeus ponder such things.
I mean, heck, even the helmetsused by the pilots of those
(09:47):
slick fighter ships, the Vipersthey looked like the Egyptian
Nims the headpieces that we seein all those ancient hieroglyphs
and artwork.
So the producers were definitelytrying to create the impression
of ancient aliens in thetelling of the whole saga and
you get that sense as you watchall the episodes, all the way up
to the end.
Laurie (10:08):
Yeah, so in Battlestar Galactica, the spaceship of the
same name, as the story goes, iscarrying surviving humans from
a thousand year war, with theCylons on their search to find
the 13th colony of humans livingon a planet called Earth.
Now, we don't believe thathumans, in the form we are now,
(10:29):
came from another planet to thisone.
However, our ancestors, insomewhat of a different form or
appearance, may have Ourgenealogy, may have descended
from the stars.
Hence we are created in theirimage and after their likeness,
just as it says in the HebrewBible right.
Joe (10:46):
Yeah, and we also find that there is a reptilian attribute
to it as well, particularly withthat character known as the
Imperious Leader.
From the very first fewshowings.
These are the Cylons, who arethe creators of those
scary-looking android robotsthat are also called Cylons.
Now, in the original series,the reptilian species of Cylons
(11:09):
are mostly extinct, but it isapparent that they saw humans as
a nuisance and that they neededto get rid of them, and the
androids made by them are onthat very mission.
Laurie (11:21):
So to really shed light on the ancient alien connection
that is part of BattlestarGalactica, we need to bring up
another series, which is calledCaprica.
It is the prequel to the mainstory and it is set 58 years
before the fall of civilizationin the extended saga.
So planet Caprica is one of the12 colonies of humanity, and we
(11:45):
must warn you, though, if youhaven't seen any of these shows,
there are spoilers, so spoileralert, but for sure it is
definitely worth watching if youhaven't already.
And we must do this in orderfor you know, we want you guys
to get a grasp on what we areattempting to teach to you about
the ancient alien theoriesinfluence on these sci-fi
(12:07):
stories.
Again, even though they arefictitious, we are wanting to
reveal the truths within themthat may one day become our very
own reality.
Joe (12:19):
Right.
Caprica became part of theBattlestar Galactica franchise
in 2010, and it is definitelyworth watching.
The style is different,especially with how the
characters are dressed.
It begins with a rebelliousteenager named Zoe, who is the
daughter of a wealthy Capricancomputer engineer named Daniel
Greystone, and she leavesCaprica, with her boyfriend and
(12:41):
his best friend, for theneighboring planet of Gaminon.
However, all three of thefriends belong to a monotheistic
cult that is called theSoldiers of the One, and this is
a religion that does not honorthe polytheistic beliefs of the
colonies, who worship the lordsof Kobol.
Laurie (13:01):
Yeah.
So, as you can see, this is astoryline that is loaded with
stuff from the ancient alientheory.
It tells of our ancestorsoriginating on a whole different
planet, from across the stars,and this is set in a time from
probably millions of years ago,and it is full of drama and
politics of any advancedcivilization.
(13:22):
And what's interesting to noteis that the creators were sure
to insert the constant strifebetween religious beliefs.
The 12 colonies worshipdifferent gods, while the one
labeled as a cult worships theone, true god.
It is this cult, themonotheistic one, that uses
suicide bombers to promote theiragenda.
(13:43):
Yet notice the name of thepolyistic one it's called the
Lords of Kobol, again aplurality that we have become
acquainted with from learningabout the Sumerian Anunnaki,
where we get a pantheon of acouncil of 12 gods or lords.
Joe (14:01):
And if this outline sounds familiar, it's because it is
found in the cosmology of theMormon religion, in which the
heaven planet where God is at,is called Kolob, as it is the
creator of Battlestar Galactica.
Glenn Larson was a devoutmember of the Church of Jesus
Christ of Latter-day Saints andhe meant to dramatize on that.
(14:23):
He just transposed the L andthe B to make Kolob Kobol.
Now Kolob is mentioned in averse hymn found in the Mormon
scripture, known as the Pearl ofGreat Price, and Kolob is a
place, is a star, or a planet,or a star with its planet that
(14:44):
is somewhere in our galaxy andthat is where God dwells.
So Larson had been a writer anda screen director since the
1950s and had worked on manysuccessful TV shows, some of
them you may remember, likeKnight Rider, the Fall Guy and
the Six Million Dollar man.
He worked on the script forabout 10 years with the help of
(15:04):
Gene Kuhn, another big-timescript writer.
Interestingly, the title Larsonwanted to use initially was
Adam's Ark, which again reallydelivers the message about
humanity's extraterrestrialorigin, and Battlestar Galactica
(15:27):
to get the word star in thereas a way to capitalize on the
popularity of other contemporarymovies that used it, namely
Star Trek and Star Wars.
Of course, the influence ofMormonism is evident in Kobol
being the name of the homeplanet from which 13 tribes of
humans depart, and it is meantto sound very much like Kolob,
considered by the LDS church asto be the heavenly seat
(15:50):
somewhere out there, possibly inthe very center of the Milky
Way galaxy.
Laurie (15:55):
Well, I guess the Mormons are divided as to the
exact meaning.
Some have tried to explain thatKolob is not so much a literal
star or planet, but that it ismetaphorically represented that
way, and this is to put God in amore transcendental way that is
(16:17):
more consistent with thetraditional view of him.
God can't just exist on asimple planet.
That is supposed to be heaven,right, but that's just what
heaven may truly be Anotherplanet out there where our
consciousness is uploaded, likeinto an avatar of some type on a
new world.
Joe (16:36):
And if you recall, laurie, that almost three years ago,
close to the time we startedthis podcast program, we did two
episodes that covered theextraterrestrial aspects to the
Mormon religion with our guestsRyan and Mike, who are both
former Latter-day Saints.
That was one of the thingsbrought up is how God and humans
exist as both body and spirit,and how God can exist as we
(17:01):
traditionally think of him, asspirit, but also exist on a
planet.
Laurie (17:06):
Right.
We traditionally think of themas spirit, but also exist on a
planet Right, and if you want toknow more about the whole
Mormonism connection to theancient alien theory, we
encourage you to go back andlisten to those, as well as the
one called Planet Heaven.
We explain it all prettythoroughly in those episodes.
So anyway, in Caprica, which,along with the Battlestar
Galactica reboot of the 2000s,does differ in some ways from
(17:27):
the original series, we have thecharacter Zoe getting killed,
but she had visited some sort ofteenage club where she was able
to create a sentient digitalrepresentation of herself.
And Greystone meets withanother grieving parent named
Joseph Adama.
Greystone meets with anothergrieving parent named Joseph
(17:47):
Adama Daniel.
Greystone offers to create aclone of Joseph's daughter and
wife if he is able to steal aprocessor.
Adama agrees and the stolenchip allows Greystone to
construct a robot called a Cylonwith great strength and agility
.
He then tries to resurrect hisdaughter, zoe, by downloading
her into the Cylon's artificialbody.
(18:09):
After all is said and done, theCaprican government orders a
mass production of Cylons formilitary use, and the prototype
was not designed to be sentient,but it did obtain a unique AI,
and no one is aware that Zoe'savatar survived, except for her
friend Lacey, who Zoe calledfrom a lab.
Joe (18:29):
And you're right about those newer shows.
They are not quite in line withthe story that we get from the
original.
But regarding something like AI,artificial intelligence we must
ask will humans one day createan android that will look and
feel just like a human?
Well, we see that it is alreadybeing done.
However, we haven't created atleast not right now one that
(18:53):
looks like us.
It may look like us I shouldsay it does look like us but
does not have our essence, whichis consciousness.
But what if we are able tocreate such android robots that
can become sentient Ones, thatsomehow find a way to learn, or,
more accurately, learn toupload human consciousness into
(19:13):
their brains and have itinterconnect with all the
sensory data?
This may be the way we'll endup prolonging our lifespans into
the centuries, and without theneed for things like food or
water.
Think about that.
There have been movies that dodepict this.
There is the one from 2014called Transcendence, with
(19:34):
Johnny Depp, and it shows a manof great knowledge, a software
engineer, who has advancedknowledge about this, being able
to upload his conscious into alarge quantum computer.
So can something like this bedone?
Clearly, at this point, we canonly formulate it in our
imaginations.
Consider what the Apostle Paulwrote in 1 Thessalonians 4,
(19:58):
16-17, in which he says JesusChrist will one day return to
take his believers home toheaven.
However, in doing so, accordingto the scripture verse, the
bodies of the believers are tochange.
They are to put off the mortalgarment and put on the immortal
ones.
Laurie (20:16):
Yeah, and this could mean one of two things Either
the bodies become spiritual,where we float around like
ghosts, or is the consciousnessof the person uploaded into a
sentient replica of themselves.
Taking what Jesus said in John14, 4-6, that he is going away
to prepare a place for hisbelievers and will one day
(20:37):
return for them to live where heis, could this be another
planet like Kolob?
And could it be people livingin sentient avatars of
themselves, living forever withno more tears and no more need
for water, as it said inRevelation 21.6?
The only two conceivablepossibilities for this to occur
(20:59):
are either spiritual orartificial intelligence.
So, based on what we know nowfrom how ancients perceived
technology and how theyunderstood events back then, I'm
inclined to lean more towardsthe latter, unless our
consciousness is in some waylinked to another flesh and
blood body on another planetthat is better suited to live on
(21:21):
it, much like what was depictedin the James Cameron movie
Avatar, and maybe that's whathumans are right now sentient
and conscious beings born orlinked into the body of its
avatar here on Earth, and thesebodies that we're living in now
are suited for this planet.
Is this why we are the onlyspecies that ponders about its
(21:42):
purpose and why it is here.
So the whole series of Caprica.
It's full of love, it'sbetrayal, it's revenge, it's
hate, violence, politics andreligion, and the series has a
slew of assassinations in orderto obtain an agenda.
And all the drama in ourearthly civilization.
(22:03):
The creators of the series weresure to incorporate it all into
the fiction story.
As the series ends, the futureof Caprica is seen where Cylons
have been accepted into societyand working jobs that humans do
not want.
Sound familiar.
Joe (22:19):
It makes me think of the Styx song and video, mr Roboto.
Thank you very much, mr Roboto,for doing a job that no one
wanted to.
Just thought when you said that, but yeah, eventually in the
story, a character known as theBlessed Mother begins to teach
the Cylons to worship God.
She teaches them that they areGod's children and are equal to
(22:42):
humans, and that they can becomemore than that.
She preaches of the one thatloves them and that their belief
in God will give them the powerto destroy their creators.
A virtual copy of Zoe is thenseen in the audience.
Finally, a scene has Daniel andAmada Greystone completing a
(23:03):
human-looking skin-jaw body fortheir daughter's avatar, giving
it a fleshy appearance asopposed to looking like a robot,
and the Zou Greystone is seenrising from a small pool,
similar to the Cylonresurrection tanks that were
seen in the series of BattlestarGalactica, essentially having
(23:23):
been reborn into the real world.
Laurie (23:27):
Yeah, has a religious theme.
It's like Jesus preached beingborn again.
Joe (23:34):
Yes, through a pool through a liquid, through water.
I think that was water thatthey used, but it gave the same
impression, right?
Laurie (23:49):
That's what we get with these religious stories, and we
know that Cylons have beenaccepted into our society and
have been working jobs that wedo not want, and even before the
2010 television prophecy ofCaprica the prophecy of Caprica
we had computers and robotstaking over human jobs.
Now we have computers doing thisin manufacturing.
(24:11):
Now, we had computers doingthis in the manufacturing
companies for many years, but,however, we now have robots
bringing you your food in somerestaurants, and they have
limited the need for cashiersand stores like Walmart and
Target and grocery stores, etcetera, and anytime you call a
place of business, it's usuallyan automated teller walking you
(24:33):
through the options process.
And so the original series hasthese Cylons being created by an
ancient reptilian race that mayhave been destroyed by the
Cylons, which sounds like thetypical creation, destroys the
creator scenario.
So, while humans eventuallydefeat the Anylons, which sounds
like the typical creation,destroys the creator scenario.
So, while humans eventuallydefeat the Anunnaki, when they
(24:57):
return to enslave us or whatever, and if it is determined that
they, the Anunnaki, did createhumans, then well, we end up
warring against our gods somedayA scary thought when you really
think about it.
Joe (25:09):
Yeah, and so, as you can see, battlestar Galactica
certainly has an ancient alientheme going on.
The Homo sapiens hybrid maywell have come from out there in
the cosmos.
As Carl Sagan used to say, weare made of star stuff.
Could we be the aliens on thisplanet?
So, even though this is sciencefiction, could there have been
(25:32):
something to it, like a race ofbeings like us, living on this
planet millions of years ago,that had once descended in
spaceships to Earth to call ittheir new home?
Maybe that's the way it waswith the Atlanteans, who are now
gone but who brought forth herethe genesis of human existence
as we know it.
It's hard to say what all thereis, maybe hidden below us or up
(25:55):
above us, like on the moon oron Mars, just waiting to be
discovered, something that willchange the course of our history
.
Laurie (26:04):
Exactly, and we are eventually going to solve many
more mysteries about our planetand about the civilizations that
have come and gone.
So in our next episode we'regoing to talk about a television
miniseries that became anothercult classic from the 80s, and
it went from 1983 to 1985.
And I wish it could have beenlonger, and it is quite eerie,
(26:26):
to say the least.
And that is the show that isknown uh, none other than v yes,
it.
Joe (26:34):
It's definitely one of the more distinctive ones from my
youth.
Um, it did have a reboot fortwo seasons from 2009 to 2011.
It didn't quite take off likethe original one.
Um, and some of you out theredo remember the miniseries that
ran back in the day.
Others are probably too young,but it is a pretty cool alien
story and the special effectswere pretty good for that time
(27:00):
especially.
It was state-of-the-art specialeffects for miniseries on TV
and we will be discussing howthe reptilian agenda ties in
with that story and what we cantake from that one.
So that will do it for today'sshow.
We hope we piqued your interestand hope you continue to follow
(27:20):
us through this series, as wehave many in-depth discussions
to come.
So until next time, stay safeand stay curious.
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