June 7, 2024 ā¢ 41 mins
Ever wonder if the world of Star Trek holds deeper truths about our beliefs and the universe?Ā We kick off our 10th season with an exploration of the symbolic representations in one of the most iconic science-fiction films of our time. We dissect how these stories might reflect and shape our understanding of extraterrestrial life and humanity's place in the cosmos. This season's fresh format will have us pondering the connections between imaginative fiction and the symbolic truths embedded in mythology.
Join us for a nostalgic journey through the Star Trek franchise, from the artistic to the innovative technobabble. We explore the synergy between fiction and actual technological advancements, celebrating how human imagination has turned the dreams of yesterday into the realities of today. From smartphones to 3D printers, we marvel at how far we've come, inspired by the some of the visionary ideas presented in Star Trek. Tune in to celebrate the power of imagination and its profound impact on our future.
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Joe (00:02):
Hello everybody, thank you for joining us on Alien Talk
Podcast.
This is the show where wediscuss all things about aliens
and UFOs and, as always, wherewe push the limits of our
understanding.
We are Joe and Laurie, here toseek the truth and find the
facts pertaining to highlydiscussed issues about the
ancient astronaut theory andcontemporary ufology, and we
(00:22):
come to you today at thebeginning of our 10th season of
bringing you more informativeand thought-provoking shows,
with over dozens upon dozens ofintriguing and fascinating
topics that are currently on theforefront of internet stories
and, I would venture to say,even on the forefront of the
minds of most people.
So we're back, laurie, afterhaving a bit of a hiatus.
(00:42):
Time does tend to slip awayfrom us.
Usually we don't go this longbetween shows, but you know a
lot has been going on Well,everywhere, right.
Laurie (00:53):
Yeah, life does get in the way sometimes.
So, right, I mean, we try toput out an episode every two
weeks and this time it was threeand plus we also ended the
season, so so it gave us alittle extra week here.
But I mean, what can you say?
It's just one of those thingswhere family events and work
(01:16):
gets sidetracked.
But regardless, it's good to beback.
Joe (01:21):
You're right, that's the thing about this podcast being a
side hustle for us is we haveto make way for the primary
commitments we have going on,mainly our busy jobs, as all of
you out there are very busy withyour lives as well your jobs,
your families and all of that.
So we really want to thank youfor taking the time to tune into
our podcast and making us apart of your listening routine.
(01:43):
So, anyway, as it is, we'regoing into this season with a
little bit of a different format.
Some folks might think of it aslighter discussions, and that's
because we plan to devote agood bit of time to talking
about some of our most belovedand classic science fiction
films, and we're going to probeinto the storylines and the
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character arcs to see how theyrepresent the mythologies and
the metaphors that are deeplyseated within the human psyche.
Laurie (02:12):
Yeah, that's right.
So over the past couple ofmonths we've been getting into
how our planet Earth may standin relation to other worlds that
may possibly have intelligentalien life on them, and that
those worlds may or mightactually be part of a big
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planetary alliance, somethinglike a galactic federation, of
which we as humans may findourselves on the brink of being
brought into.
On the brink of being broughtinto, and in our last episodes
we shared about a super-secretcabal, a hidden shadow
government, may possibly beleading us to where we take our
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place at the seat of such analliance or federation or
council of advancedextraterrestrials.
So for this season, yeah, wewant to spend time talking about
our science fiction stories andfilms and, you know, asking
ourselves if there could in anyway be some kernels of truth
(03:15):
found in them.
For quite a while, joe, you andI tossed around the idea of
doing a whole season devoted toanalyzing some of our more
profound and inspiring anddramatic science fiction stories
, so as to possibly see truth inthe fiction, which kind of
sounds like an oxymoron.
(03:35):
But not so much when what wemean and what we want to
emphasize is the truth in themythology, and we want to
differentiate between the twoterms, to show that fiction is
written from the imagination,while mythology is told as a way
to use symbolism thatrepresents what people believe.
(03:58):
So a s to seek the truth, andwith that we have to ask, is
there truth in many of thescience fiction movies and books
we've all grown up watching andreading that have made such
impressions upon our minds thatalmost all of us make reference
to in some way when we hear beamme up, scotty, or may the force
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be with you.
We all know what is meant bythose phrases and we know where
they originated from.
Right.
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And, first of all, we are goingto have a well-developed plot,
logical dialogue and actionthemes, relatable characters
that we connect with, tensionand conflict involving the
elements of good and evil, andthat appeal to our ideals and
morals, at least on some levelor to some degree.
And what we're talking aboutare Star Trek, Star Wars, B
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attlestar Galactica, stargate, Tthe Day the Earth Stood Still
the ones that have resonatedwith audiences for years in a
way that has made them genuinelyponder the idea of alien life
and our place in the wholeuniverse.
These have become very popularpretty much on a global scale,
grossing hundreds of millions ofdollars at the box office and
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ultimately becoming cultsensations.
And we all know there areplenty of so-called low-budget
movies that really don't fitthat bill.
So, you know I don't see usgetting much out of a discussion
about, say, M y F favoriteMartian or K iller C lowns f rom
Outer S pace or ones alongthose lines
Or y my tepmom stepmom An Alien, alien,
(05:52):
yeah.
W W M C M C
Joe (05:53):
Dude, where's my car?
That might be the worst oneever, at least in my opinion.
P
Laurie (05:59):
Right, yeah, I tend to agree.
Yeah, I tend to agree.
The classic ones, though, likeyou mentioned, are really in a
genre of their own, as theyprovide depth of soul and how
the stories and the sagas allplayed out, and we plan on
discussing some of these filmsin our own Alien Talk podcast
style and the way you all likeit, I guess.
(06:22):
So it's going to be different,and if you want to see the whole
list for this season I thinkthere's only nine of them and
just visit the website alientalk podcast dot com and check
them out there, and you try andupload those tonight after the
podcast.
So if it's not there right away, but you can always check back
later and see the whole list,for sure, you can always check
back later and see the wholelist For sure.
Joe (06:44):
And secondly, we're not here trying to say that any one
of these novels or famous filmsin this genre are somehow
impregnated with hidden codesthat tell of conspiracies and
elaborate secrets.
No, these movies are fantasy,they are fiction, they are
imagination, they are theproducts of very creative minds.
(07:05):
We are not claiming that theyare in some way a reality or an
alternate world.
We're not that far gone yeah,at least not yet yeah, right,
give us another 20 years.
No, what we are saying is thatthe creativity that comes from
our minds is a reflection of therole that mythology and
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symbolism has within our mentalschemata, whether or not we're
even conscious of it.
And this is actually the basisof a considerable part of
Jungian psychology, in whichmemories, ideas, dreams can, in
part, be formed from within theunconscious, in which images are
inherited as the structure forconception of myths, ie stories,
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allegories.
Carl Jung theorized this around1916 that certain predominant
symbols dwell deep in thethought processes of everyone
through something called thecollective unconscious, sort of
a part of our minds that weshare with one another as well
as with our ancestors.
And the manner in which weshare in this process or
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processes is through thesignificance of images and what
they mean to us as individualswithin complex social groups.
And we all experience this inhow we are able to convey and
comprehend concepts of truth, inthe ways that different
elements of stories arerepresented, both through the
teller and the listener.
(08:32):
I mean, just think about how weall know about the concepts of
morality and justice, virtue,god.
We have learned about theseideas that pertain to them
through the vivid imagery whichis embodied in our ancient
traditions, namely that ofreligion.
Laurie (08:50):
Right.
So every one of us who has beenbrought up in the
Judeo-Christian faithunderstands the power of
visualization what is told inthe Bible and the symbolic
meaning associated with thevoice of God being communicated
through the people andoccurrences mentioned therein.
And while fiction is not real,we know it can be based on some
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universal truths, such as goodand evil, honor, love, integrity
of character, and that it candirectly represent or resemble
something that is real.
The parables of Jesus Christare a good example of fictitious
stories used to stretchpeople's imagination back in
those days.
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A parable is just that it's afictitious story, and Jesus used
it as examples so the listenerscould understand or get a
better mental picture of what hewas teaching.
They were stories created bysomeone's imagination, perhaps
even Jesus' imagination.
Those may have been the lessonsthat he thought of so that he
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could use them in his sermons.
And we've all seen those moviesthat are based on true stories.
Even if the story itself is nota real one or an accurate one,
it is based on that story, thatevent that occurred.
And likewise we also have toremember that while it may be
told that's fiction in thepresent time, it may at some
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point in the future become areality.
So sometimes our literary linesdo get blurred, and we've all
encountered that in what we'veheard about and read about and
seen in the cinemas.
So we must ask why do we haveimagination, especially ones
that are so powerful?
I mean, really, there's noother way to describe the
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imaginative talent of manypeople.
I mean, was it planted there?
Was it instilled into ourbrains, like our consciousness,
so we can ponder and createthings to entertain ourselves
and better our journey while onthis planet?
Was it programmed into ourgenome, perhaps by the gods from
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whom we descended from?
Remember what we've beenalluding to since our podcast
began, that we are a speciescreated in the image and
likeness of our gods, ourcreators.
So we must ask why isimagination only unique to
humans?
And this all goes back to ourspecies being a creation by
something bigger, something muchbigger than ourselves, and
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there are too many aspects tothe incredible mental capacity
of almost sapiens to simply beexplained as a product of
natural selection.
The other species have nothingthat even comes close to it.
Joe (11:40):
Yeah, and this fabric of our imagination is the imprinted
mythology of just about everyculture on earth, this theme
that something powerful andsuperior out there put us right
here and that we are subject tothat something through obedience
and worship.
Again, we are all acquaintedwith this notion through our
individual beliefs that weretaught to us.
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The Sumerians, the Egyptians,the Greeks and Romans, the Norse
, the Mayans, all of theirmythologies tell of this similar
tale, and it carries on in thehuman psyche to this very day,
all over the world, in thepractices of Christianity, islam
, judaism, hinduism, buddhismand so many others.
Laurie (12:20):
Yeah.
So when we say gods, we arereferring to, possibly, the
ancient extraterrestrials amongwhom we may have the respect of
one day sitting at the seat of ahighly advanced council with
them, a federation of speciesfrom many different worlds, if
not now, then someday.
There would be no better moviefranchise to discuss and compare
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this to than Star Trek, whetherthat's the original series, the
next generation, Deep SpaceNine, Voyager Enterprise, it's
actually my favorite.
Joe (12:59):
Picard Strange, New World, you know, along with a slew of
books.
That's right.
Star Trek is in a class andgenre all of its own, and it was
created by Gene Roddenberry, afreelance writer and producer
and a former military pilot, notto mention a cop with the Los
Angeles Police Department.
It first debuted in September of1966 as a television series
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series and it really was, inmany ways, the start of sci-fi
shows of its type and instillingan excited wonder in audiences,
with a sense of amazement atthe creativity and the drama
that it portrayed.
And this is the one that we allknow now as the original series
, the ones with william shatneras captain kirk, leonard nimoy
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as Spock and DeForest Kelly asDr McCoy the classics.
I remember watching these asreruns in the 70s, when I was a
kid.
My dad liked to watch them andI would watch them with him.
So it takes place in the future, about 300 years to around 2268
.
And in Star Trek, earth is avery different place.
(14:05):
It is united and a desire forwealth and fame and power are
pretty much non-existent on thisplanet.
Humans have finally put asidetheir petty differences and
placed their focus on spaceexploration along with humanoid
aliens from other worlds, and atthat point we have become part
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of the United Federation ofPlanets, and the characters you
mentioned, laurie and manyothers, serve with a military
organization called Starfleetand they're dedicated to
exploring the depths of spaceaboard the starship USS
Enterprise, and the story reallyis about that, about traveling
across the galaxy andencountering all kinds of
adventures.
Laurie (14:48):
Yeah, and you know, president Ronald Reagan probably
thought of the Star Trekcivilization when he made his
address to the 42nd session ofthe United Nations General
Assembly in New York City backon September 21st, way back in
1987, when he said this is hisquote in our obsession with
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antagonisms of the moment, weoften forget how much unites all
members of humanity.
Perhaps we need some outsideuniversal threat to make us
recognized as Colin Bond, butit's what he said before.
That that got me thinking ofStar Trek, because Reagan said
and think of Star Trek as I readthis.
So this is where this is Reaganspeaking.
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So this is where I believe wecan find a map to the world's
future, in the hearts ofordinary people, in their hopes
for themselves and theirchildren, in their prayers as
they lay themselves and theirfamilies to rest each night.
These simple people are thegiants of the earth, the true
builders of the world andshapers of the centuries to come
(15:54):
.
And if indeed they triumph as Ibelieve they will we will at
last know a world of peace andfreedom, opportunity and hope
and, yes, of democracy, a worldin which the spirit of mankind
at last conquers the old,familiar enemies of famine,
disease, tyranny and war.
Joe (16:15):
That is quite profound.
That was a very great speech byRonald Reagan and he may have
been influenced by Star Trekbecause, as we know now, it has
really left a big impression onour culture for many decades,
become a major media franchisewith newer series coming out
regularly, movies also for thebig screen, not only for
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television and Netflix, but alsofor the big screen.
The first Star Trek movie Iremember was in the early 80s
and it was okay.
I thought it first Star Trekmovie I remember was in the
early 80s and it was OK.
I thought it was disappointing,but it was.
It was.
It was cool because it was aStar Trek movie.
Laurie (16:52):
Was that the motion picture or something?
I think it's Star Trek themotion picture.
Joe (16:56):
Yeah, I think that came out in 1981.
And it was kind of strange.
I remember just, I mean it waslooking back at it now I think
it's kind of artistic, it had alot of creativity.
But I remember as a kidwatching it thinking, yeah, I
don't get it.
The whole thing with Beegerthey found the old Voyager
spacecraft that was sent out inthe 70s and then in the future
(17:19):
they come across it on adifferent planet and they called
it Beeger because they couldn'tsee the letters o and y, I
guess.
Uh, it was lost on me as a kid,uh.
But also, you know plenty ofreboots.
Laurie (17:32):
Uh did a star trek series as well yeah, well, don't
forget that reagan was once anactor too, so I mean he is a
famous movie star at that um, inthe 1950s he he was cast in
quite a few military dramas likePrisoner of War and Hellcats in
the Navy, which are prettyobscure.
I'm sure not too many peoplehave heard of the old movies he
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was in, but it could be that bybeing in Hollywood that he was
impressed by the Star Trek storyin a profound way and that it
is reflected in that speech hegave.
Now we gave the year 2268 forthe timeframe of Star Trek.
However, remember we talkedabout dates for Judgment Day or
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possible the first contact datesin episode 13, called Judgment
Day the Return of the Gods.
Episode 13 called Judgment Daythe Return of the Gods, and
there we explain that if we arelooking to see if Judgment Day
will be in our time, then ageneration in Noah's time, as we
explained, it would have to belike 64 years, and this was
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putting Judgment Day atapproximately year 2066, which
is a decade after World War IIIin the Star Trek story.
And if we are going by theJewish calendar, where they
expect their Messiah to returnby the year 6000, which will be
like 2240 on the Gregoriancalendar, then a generation will
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have to be something like 66years and this will be placing
so-called Judgment Day around2206 AD.
So this is what you know wemean by there being.
You know possible truths in afictitious story like Star Trek.
Like did Gene Roddenberry andthe creators and other writers
did they create this storyline?
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Like subconsciously, like,without knowing?
Were they being led to writehumanity's future?
Because the dates used are nottoo far off, dates used in
ancient texts?
Now, of course, creators couldalso have studied ancient texts
to create their storyline andtimelines and, you know, based
it off of the old text.
Who knows?
Joe (19:39):
Yeah, as for me, I really didn't get into any of it until
the Next Generation series,which is supposed to be like 100
years after the original seriesI guess it'd be the 2368 time
frame and then that came out inthe mid-90s with Patrick Stewart
as Captain Jean-Luc Picard.
I do like the original series,I like William Shatner, but all
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those other series, particularlythe newer ones, I got to say I
don't really care too much forthem.
I'm not a big fan.
I really like the NextGeneration.
That was my favorite, and one ofthe things I think is cool,
though, about Star Trek is theengineering technobabble that
really almost puts the humaninnovation as it is now and
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accurately projects it to whatit most likely will be or at
least sounds like it will bewhen we reach that point in the
future.
You know things like theholodeck, the coaxial warp drive
, the matter-antimatter reactorand all of that, and we see that
our own technologicaldevelopment has indeed picked up
at an unprecedented pace,certainly since the time that
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Roddenberry wrote the originalstoryline, and actually there
are many articles out there thatexplain the principles of
something like the Enterprise'swarp engine in particular, and
it describes how such a thing istheoretically possible to
construct.
This is an article that's foundby Mike Wall on spacecom, dated
(21:07):
just this past May the 7th.
Laurie (21:11):
Yeah, well, you know, it's like you know humans, the
human mind.
We talked about imaginationearlier.
It's like if we could think ofit, eventually we can create it.
And if you know, one guy toldme one time, if we could see
something like those distantstars that we see at night, if
we can see it, we eventuallywill get there.
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Eventually will get there.
And that's how powerful theimagination is, because we can
create things out of nothing,like we can.
The human mind is just sopowerful, like you said earlier.
Now it appears that, like peoplelike Elon Musk you know, we all
know who he is, and at least weshould by now I mean, he's
leading the charge into thefuture of space exploration, you
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can't deny that.
Into the future of spaceexploration, you can't deny that
.
And by he's wanting humans tocolonize Mars, to be honest, you
know, some time ago, longbefore I ever heard of Elon Musk
, I wondered if NASA couldinvent a rocket that would lift
off and descend back to Earthand be used again.
And I bet you know a lot of usthought about this as well, and
(22:14):
I'm sure we all had the samethoughts.
And here we are, you know,we're watching it unfold before
our very eyes, to, you know, tothe stars right Ad Astra.
So it makes you wonder when he,elon, invents an engine or some
type of fuel that will propel,you know us, to Mars in half the
time, which now is six monthsthere and six months back, I
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mean a whole year of travelinginto darkness of space.
And a better rocket needs to bemade that will cut six months
down to like three months oreven less.
If that happens, will we get theattention of a cosmic neighbor,
like in Star Trek's plot inwhich Zephyr Cochran created a
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warp drive, that movie, starTrek First Contact.
Well, we, or do we already havesimilar technology to this
right now?
And did we already get theattention of cosmic neighbors
when we dropped nuclear bombsduring World War II?
The sad part of all this isthat in order for the Star Trek
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universe to have peace and forthe human race to become
accepted into the Federation, atleast as far as the overall
plot is concerned, it had to gothrough a world war.
You know that post-atomichorror talked about and you have
to wonder if that is not aforetelling of what may happen
at some point.
Hopefully our civilization canobtain a Star Trek type of
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civilization without having to,you know, nearly wipe each other
off the planet.
Joe (23:49):
And hopefully so.
But if we learn anything fromhistory, it's that mankind has
suffered tremendous, devastatinglosses, catastrophic ones that
have wiped out thousands uponthousands of people at a time,
and we still continue on.
I mean, we think of the BlackPlague, the countless wars, the
changes in global climate andocean levels over the millennia,
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even the Great Deluge and theYounger Dryas period from 13,000
years ago, things that nearlyeliminate us as a species, end
up passing and we persevere, andI think, as horrifying of a
hellscape as a nuclear holocaustwould be, I believe that the
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human race will press on, andmaybe that is why we want to
examine the story in itsintrinsic substance.
Even though Star Trek isfictional, is there a message of
truth to it and if so, what isit?
Does Roddenberry and Musk forthat matter know something about
our human destiny, and are theytrying to explain to the world
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this through storytelling,particularly Gene Roddenberry
trying to tell us this story andreveal this kind of truth?
Like we said, the imaginationcan reveal something deeper by
way of archetypes andallegorical symbols, and it
could be that the whole saga ofStar Trek is meant to unfold our
innate desire to explore and togo outside of the world.
Laurie (25:17):
That we know.
Joe (25:18):
And in doing so we know intuitively and instinctively
that there is much more outthere, much more than we realize
, and that it will change ourunderstanding of ourselves
forever.
And perhaps there is no moreevident than in our actual quest
to go into space and to reachthe moon and the planets.
And even though we have onlyjust begun our space programs in
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the last 65 years, thepervasive and overwhelming sense
of ad astra has always beenwith us.
Laurie (25:47):
Yeah, that may be true and it may be the basis and
vision for the establishment ofour future civilization, like we
see in the Star Trek universe.
And Elon Musk and SpaceX hiscompany, one of his companies,
if you notice, there have beenmore and more launches of the
Falcon 9 that the media tells usof.
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Every time there is a launchfrom the Vandenberg Space Force
Base in California, I'm alwayslooking west from Arizona for
the cool-looking display of arocket's trail.
And this is where the wholesecret space program comes into
play.
It is possible for that toexist and I think it most likely
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does.
I mean, we brought up GaryMcKinnon several times now and
his hacking into the Pentagonand NASA computers and he had
discovered non-terrestrialofficer information and naval
type ships that did not matchany known ships here on Earth.
So throw in the most recenttalks by government officials.
You know these past few yearsabout UAPs such as the Tic Tac
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UFO, and you know that wasreported to not be of this world
.
So it's most likely true that asecret space program does exist
and this is only the beginningof our quest to reach the stars
and travel among them.
And you know, in an articlethat was published April 11th of
this year, the 2024, by SpaceLaunch Delta 30 Public Affairs.
(27:14):
They wrote about a launch fromSpace Launch Complex 4 East
which carried a US Space Forceweather system follow-on
microwave into low Earth orbit.
Now, even a wording in thissounds scary.
Joe (27:29):
Yeah, it sure does.
It makes you wonder what thatis.
I think most of it isconsidered classified.
It makes you wonder what thatis.
I think most of it isconsidered classified.
But yeah, microwave systems inlow Earth orbit.
It's hard to say what it couldbe, but it does go on to explain
that the launch was coordinatedby Space Launch Delta 30 and
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the Space Systems Command tosupport the new US Space Force
and the Space Systems Command tosupport the new US Space Force.
Of course, launches havecontinued to this day and become
, since Vandenberg became partof the Space Force, became
Vandenberg Space Force Base backin May of 2021.
Before that, it was justVandenberg Air Force Base, as it
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was established in 1957.
And since then it has conductedmore than 2,000 launches for
the US Space Force, as well asthe entire Department of Defense
, NASA and even privatecontractors, just like SpaceX,
which is probably the largest ofthe private companies that put
assets into space, mostlysending up those Starlink
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satellites which you mentioned,and they are pretty spectacular
to watch.
We can see them here in Arizonawhenever Falcon 9 goes up.
You can see the exhaust trailbecause they seem to launch them
in the evening so that itreflects or refracts the
sunlight after it's set belowthe horizon.
It looks really spectacular, uh, spectacular.
And of course, eventually yousee the the package of these
(28:58):
satellites deploy and you seethat long string of white lights
like a train going through thesky and it freaks everybody out
yeah it.
Laurie (29:06):
It freaked my daughter out the the last one that was
launched from there, and shedidn't know what to think of it.
I had to explain it to her whatit was well it.
Joe (29:15):
It was the one I saw a couple of years ago and it was
like right around April of, Ithink, 2022.
I was a little worried.
It was right after the war andUkraine started and things were
kind of there was some talkgoing on between Russia and the
West and I was like this isn'tan ICBM.
I hope You're like what is that?
(29:37):
It could be the Falcon 9, or itcould be the Russians watching
an ICBM at us, hopefully.
But yeah, a lot of people areprobably thinking the same thing
, yeah.
Laurie (29:48):
Yeah, all right.
I mean, I sometimes question ifthey really are sending all
those satellites or if it's justa cover for something else.
And you know, this is only thebeginning of our ingenuity,
right, our imaginations canreally go wild and create entire
universes that you know.
While they don't truly exist,they do occupy our thinking.
Joe (30:11):
If we can think about it, odds are, you know, it becomes
reality later, and that is animportant point, the story is
fiction, it is not real, andthere is no such thing as, say,
the Borg in objective reality.
It does exist within theschemata of our minds and, as
such, is a manifestation, asynaptic substrate of our brains
(30:35):
.
Our brains do exist inobjective, physical reality and
our minds are processes of theneuronal networks that are
within it.
And our minds are so amazingand powerful that you can make
the argument that our ideasformed are such that they are
more real than the objects thatare in the physical world.
(30:55):
I mean, after all, it is ideasand our mental processes that
give any meaning to thoseobjects, at least as far as we
perceive them.
Is a tree, in its essence, realbecause it occupies space, or
is it real because of thesensory information provided to
our brains that tell us it's atree?
It's a difference betweenrealism and ideism.
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Do things exist independently ofthe mind or does the mind
precede the existence of things?
Through our ability tounderstand and know truth as it
forms within the constructs ofour thoughts, what is meant by
truth?
Is it simply things that aredemonstrated as being true in
the physical world?
And obviously there are thingsfound to be true that are not or
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cannot be demonstrated as such,things like our innermost
thoughts and our beliefs, ourintuition and emotions.
We know these are real becausewe experience them right in the
physical world where we exist.
So it's metaphysics versusscience, dualism versus monism,
(32:01):
realism versus ideism,spirituality versus corporality.
Philosophers have been debatingthese kinds of concepts for
centuries.
Laurie (32:11):
Yeah, I mean we can find many instances where the idea
of something proceeds tosomething.
Consider how, in the NextGeneration series, which came
out in the 90s, where there wereflat screen television monitors
and it wasn't too long afterthat that we were buying them,
we now also have the across theforehead temperature readers,
(32:35):
much like Dr Beverly Crusherused, and we now have body
scanners just like that to lookfor obstructions in our bodies,
like ground-penetrating radars.
And we have the body scannersthat look for the obstructions
in our bodies.
We have the flip phones.
Now we have flat screen phones.
(32:55):
When the next cell phones cameout remember those?
We were pretending to be likeCaptain Kirk, flipping them open
and speaking Captain's Logssupplemental.
I think I've discovered theanswer, but to carry out my plan
, oh yes, I do remember thosedays.
Joe (33:13):
It wasn't that long ago either.
It really wasn't.
I mean what, 15 years ago?
Something like that.
But, there are many moreinventions of fiction from Star
Trek that did become realityrather quickly and are used on a
daily basis, such as the pad,the personal access display
device.
Those are the small flathandheld touch computers that
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are seen throughout,particularly the next generation
.
Now we use those daily, somehundreds of times daily.
The Apple iPad or tablet.
There's also that thing calleda tricorder.
That's pretty much the iPhone.
Then there is Alexa um, justlike the ship's computer, you
(33:57):
talk to it, it answers you andyou instruct it to to carry out
some task and it does it.
Uh, we now have that femaletone voice interface in most of
our homes, you know, soundingvery much like the enterprise's
ship's computer.
And we we even have smartphonedevices and systems that are
called Android, much like data.
(34:18):
The Android, all of thewireless and cellular
telecommunication and computerprocessing is straight out of
what I was seeing on those showsonly 30 years ago, not a long
time.
Laurie (34:31):
Yeah Well, you know.
Speaking of Alexa?
Joe (34:41):
Yeah Well, you know if you speaking of Alexa, if you say
Alexa engage, she'll respond andsay, aye, aye, captain, that's
clever, that's pretty coolactually.
Laurie (35:02):
But, and of course, there is the universal
translators too.
So I mean you can now useGoogle app.
I mean I use it at work all thetime and when I'm dealing with
the public that you know, a lotof people you know are traveling
back and forth, and you know Ijust used this app and it's got
every language listed, atranslator, and I mean you can
communicate with every languageon the planet.
Now.
And there is also thereplicator, which can create
food and other items on the spot.
Well, I mean 3D printers,anyone.
I mean we can't create food bythem yet, but I mean that's
(35:24):
coming, I'm sure that is coming,yeah.
Joe (35:27):
Yeah, that's coming.
Laurie (35:29):
And remember, captain Picard, you know T Earl Grey,
and it just makes the tea rightthere for him.
Um, yeah, I think that would be.
That's almost like a, uh, ak-cup, or we call them the
k-pods for the coffees.
Yeah, it just needs to be, likeyou know, pre-selected and put
(35:49):
in the wall or something likethat, and then all of a sudden
you know it'd be voice activatedand you can say, yeah, folgers,
coffee or something you know,right, um, yeah, and, and I mean
we can't not forget about the,uh, the, the holodecks Um, we
are not quite there yet, but wewill be someday, because we
already have virtual reality,like which some of them are so
(36:11):
good that you actually feel likeyou are there Just watching
some of these funny videos wherepeople are playing a game and
they're beating the place up orthey're scared because
something's chasing them,because it's so real, they're in
another world or wherever, andyet the whole time you're still
(36:32):
in your home.
Joe (36:33):
Right.
I think the only thing that'sdifferent about what we have now
with those virtual realitygames is the headset.
You don't need the headset.
You just step into the room andthere you are.
You are in your virtual realityas if you were really there,
with nothing encumbered.
If we ever get to that pointwhere you can just simply walk
(36:56):
into a room and the entireprogram of imagery and sensory
input is given to you withouthaving to wear anything, yeah,
then we're.
Then we're on the enterprise atthat point.
Laurie (37:05):
So and we know that that's coming, because just
think of the green screens andmovies.
Already All you got to do isjust put that in a room or
whatever, and it's game on.
Joe (37:14):
Kind of is already there when we talk about that green
screen um effect for giving thatimages, all that fancy scenery
we see in the movies of thingsblowing up and buildings falling
and if you ever watch, you knowclips of how they they make
these things.
I mean, you see people runningaround and all there is behind
them is a green screen, there'sa green felt, there's nothing
(37:37):
there that is running.
And then all that other stuffis computer generated against
you know, it's imposed on thegreen screen and it looks like
you know they're in that city.
That's, you know, has buildingscrumbling and cars being
flipped over and everything likethat.
So yeah, if we ever get to thepoint where you can make that
like in your home, so you're notwatching it on TV but you're
(37:57):
watching it like right there inyour house, that means we've
invented the holodeck as theyhave it on the enterprise.
So yeah, that may be too faraway, no nope.
So, for all you Trekkies outthere, we hope you enjoyed this
topic.
We're wrapping up the show now.
We do love Star Trek andscience fiction.
(38:19):
The whole franchise is showingno sign of slowing down.
Whether or not the quality ofthe drama is what it used to be,
that's up for debate, dependingon your own personal opinion
about that, but it's certainthat the franchise is not
slowing slowing down.
Neither is the imaginative workgoing into making more episodes
(38:42):
, and we are excited to see whatother creations may one day
turn into reality from it.
Like with everything, only timewill tell.
So we hope that all of you arenot just tracky fans, but
everyone listening enjoy today'sshow.
Um, be sure to join us again intwo weeks, um, when we, just as
(39:03):
we did today with star trek, wewill discuss the epic theme and
saga of a different movie, adifferent franchise, that one
being battle star galactica yeah, very excited about that one
too.
Laurie (39:15):
Remember everyone, if you and if you guys are looking
to, you know, purchase our novel, the Battle Planet AD, relic of
the Gods, you must go to AmazonBooks.
You know, not the typicalAmazon site, that where you can
get all the other stuff.
Some people have been tellingme that they couldn't find the
book and that they can only findit on like Barnes and Noble
(39:36):
until I had to show them to.
You know, go to Amazon Booksand then type in the title.
So, you know, we hope thathelps you if you've been having
troubles with that.
Joe (39:45):
Yeah, yeah.
Thanks, laurie, for explainingand clarifying that.
Yeah, so until our next show,folks stay safe, stay cool and
stay curious.
Hello everybody, thank you for joining us on Alien Talk
Podcast.
This is the show where wediscuss all things about aliens
and UFOs and, as always, wherewe push the limits of our
understanding.
We are Joe and Laurie, here toseek the truth and find the
facts pertaining to highlydiscussed issues about the
ancient astronaut theory andcontemporary ufology, and we
(00:22):
come to you today at thebeginning of our 10th season of
bringing you more informativeand thought-provoking shows,
with over dozens upon dozens ofintriguing and fascinating
topics that are currently on theforefront of internet stories
and, I would venture to say,even on the forefront of the
minds of most people.
So we're back, laurie, afterhaving a bit of a hiatus.
(00:42):
Time does tend to slip awayfrom us.
Usually we don't go this longbetween shows, but you know a
lot has been going on Well,everywhere, right.
Laurie (00:53):
Yeah, life does get in the way sometimes.
So, right, I mean, we try toput out an episode every two
weeks and this time it was threeand plus we also ended the
season, so so it gave us alittle extra week here.
But I mean, what can you say?
It's just one of those thingswhere family events and work
(01:16):
gets sidetracked.
But regardless, it's good to beback.
Joe (01:21):
You're right, that's the thing about this podcast being a
side hustle for us is we haveto make way for the primary
commitments we have going on,mainly our busy jobs, as all of
you out there are very busy withyour lives as well your jobs,
your families and all of that.
So we really want to thank youfor taking the time to tune into
our podcast and making us apart of your listening routine.
(01:43):
So, anyway, as it is, we'regoing into this season with a
little bit of a different format.
Some folks might think of it aslighter discussions, and that's
because we plan to devote agood bit of time to talking
about some of our most belovedand classic science fiction
films, and we're going to probeinto the storylines and the
(02:04):
character arcs to see how theyrepresent the mythologies and
the metaphors that are deeplyseated within the human psyche.
Laurie (02:12):
Yeah, that's right.
So over the past couple ofmonths we've been getting into
how our planet Earth may standin relation to other worlds that
may possibly have intelligentalien life on them, and that
those worlds may or mightactually be part of a big
(02:32):
planetary alliance, somethinglike a galactic federation, of
which we as humans may findourselves on the brink of being
brought into.
On the brink of being broughtinto, and in our last episodes
we shared about a super-secretcabal, a hidden shadow
government, may possibly beleading us to where we take our
(02:55):
place at the seat of such analliance or federation or
council of advancedextraterrestrials.
So for this season, yeah, wewant to spend time talking about
our science fiction stories andfilms and, you know, asking
ourselves if there could in anyway be some kernels of truth
(03:15):
found in them.
For quite a while, joe, you andI tossed around the idea of
doing a whole season devoted toanalyzing some of our more
profound and inspiring anddramatic science fiction stories
, so as to possibly see truth inthe fiction, which kind of
sounds like an oxymoron.
(03:35):
But not so much when what wemean and what we want to
emphasize is the truth in themythology, and we want to
differentiate between the twoterms, to show that fiction is
written from the imagination,while mythology is told as a way
to use symbolism thatrepresents what people believe.
(03:58):
So a s to seek the truth, andwith that we have to ask, is
there truth in many of thescience fiction movies and books
we've all grown up watching andreading that have made such
impressions upon our minds thatalmost all of us make reference
to in some way when we hear beamme up, scotty, or may the force
(04:19):
be with you.
We all know what is meant bythose phrases and we know where
they originated from.
Right.
(04:42):
And, first of all, we are goingto have a well-developed plot,
logical dialogue and actionthemes, relatable characters
that we connect with, tensionand conflict involving the
elements of good and evil, andthat appeal to our ideals and
morals, at least on some levelor to some degree.
And what we're talking aboutare Star Trek, Star Wars, B
(05:06):
attlestar Galactica, stargate, Tthe Day the Earth Stood Still
the ones that have resonatedwith audiences for years in a
way that has made them genuinelyponder the idea of alien life
and our place in the wholeuniverse.
These have become very popularpretty much on a global scale,
grossing hundreds of millions ofdollars at the box office and
(05:29):
ultimately becoming cultsensations.
And we all know there areplenty of so-called low-budget
movies that really don't fitthat bill.
So, you know I don't see usgetting much out of a discussion
about, say, M y F favoriteMartian or K iller C lowns f rom
Outer S pace or ones alongthose lines
Or y my tepmom stepmom An Alien, alien,
(05:52):
yeah.
W W M C M C
Joe (05:53):
Dude, where's my car?
That might be the worst oneever, at least in my opinion.
P
Laurie (05:59):
Right, yeah, I tend to agree.
Yeah, I tend to agree.
The classic ones, though, likeyou mentioned, are really in a
genre of their own, as theyprovide depth of soul and how
the stories and the sagas allplayed out, and we plan on
discussing some of these filmsin our own Alien Talk podcast
style and the way you all likeit, I guess.
(06:22):
So it's going to be different,and if you want to see the whole
list for this season I thinkthere's only nine of them and
just visit the website alientalk podcast dot com and check
them out there, and you try andupload those tonight after the
podcast.
So if it's not there right away, but you can always check back
later and see the whole list,for sure, you can always check
back later and see the wholelist For sure.
Joe (06:44):
And secondly, we're not here trying to say that any one
of these novels or famous filmsin this genre are somehow
impregnated with hidden codesthat tell of conspiracies and
elaborate secrets.
No, these movies are fantasy,they are fiction, they are
imagination, they are theproducts of very creative minds.
(07:05):
We are not claiming that theyare in some way a reality or an
alternate world.
We're not that far gone yeah,at least not yet yeah, right,
give us another 20 years.
No, what we are saying is thatthe creativity that comes from
our minds is a reflection of therole that mythology and
(07:26):
symbolism has within our mentalschemata, whether or not we're
even conscious of it.
And this is actually the basisof a considerable part of
Jungian psychology, in whichmemories, ideas, dreams can, in
part, be formed from within theunconscious, in which images are
inherited as the structure forconception of myths, ie stories,
(07:50):
allegories.
Carl Jung theorized this around1916 that certain predominant
symbols dwell deep in thethought processes of everyone
through something called thecollective unconscious, sort of
a part of our minds that weshare with one another as well
as with our ancestors.
And the manner in which weshare in this process or
(08:11):
processes is through thesignificance of images and what
they mean to us as individualswithin complex social groups.
And we all experience this inhow we are able to convey and
comprehend concepts of truth, inthe ways that different
elements of stories arerepresented, both through the
teller and the listener.
(08:32):
I mean, just think about how weall know about the concepts of
morality and justice, virtue,god.
We have learned about theseideas that pertain to them
through the vivid imagery whichis embodied in our ancient
traditions, namely that ofreligion.
Laurie (08:50):
Right.
So every one of us who has beenbrought up in the
Judeo-Christian faithunderstands the power of
visualization what is told inthe Bible and the symbolic
meaning associated with thevoice of God being communicated
through the people andoccurrences mentioned therein.
And while fiction is not real,we know it can be based on some
(09:14):
universal truths, such as goodand evil, honor, love, integrity
of character, and that it candirectly represent or resemble
something that is real.
The parables of Jesus Christare a good example of fictitious
stories used to stretchpeople's imagination back in
those days.
(09:34):
A parable is just that it's afictitious story, and Jesus used
it as examples so the listenerscould understand or get a
better mental picture of what hewas teaching.
They were stories created bysomeone's imagination, perhaps
even Jesus' imagination.
Those may have been the lessonsthat he thought of so that he
(09:59):
could use them in his sermons.
And we've all seen those moviesthat are based on true stories.
Even if the story itself is nota real one or an accurate one,
it is based on that story, thatevent that occurred.
And likewise we also have toremember that while it may be
told that's fiction in thepresent time, it may at some
(10:21):
point in the future become areality.
So sometimes our literary linesdo get blurred, and we've all
encountered that in what we'veheard about and read about and
seen in the cinemas.
So we must ask why do we haveimagination, especially ones
that are so powerful?
I mean, really, there's noother way to describe the
(10:43):
imaginative talent of manypeople.
I mean, was it planted there?
Was it instilled into ourbrains, like our consciousness,
so we can ponder and createthings to entertain ourselves
and better our journey while onthis planet?
Was it programmed into ourgenome, perhaps by the gods from
(11:03):
whom we descended from?
Remember what we've beenalluding to since our podcast
began, that we are a speciescreated in the image and
likeness of our gods, ourcreators.
So we must ask why isimagination only unique to
humans?
And this all goes back to ourspecies being a creation by
something bigger, something muchbigger than ourselves, and
(11:26):
there are too many aspects tothe incredible mental capacity
of almost sapiens to simply beexplained as a product of
natural selection.
The other species have nothingthat even comes close to it.
Joe (11:40):
Yeah, and this fabric of our imagination is the imprinted
mythology of just about everyculture on earth, this theme
that something powerful andsuperior out there put us right
here and that we are subject tothat something through obedience
and worship.
Again, we are all acquaintedwith this notion through our
individual beliefs that weretaught to us.
(12:00):
The Sumerians, the Egyptians,the Greeks and Romans, the Norse
, the Mayans, all of theirmythologies tell of this similar
tale, and it carries on in thehuman psyche to this very day,
all over the world, in thepractices of Christianity, islam
, judaism, hinduism, buddhismand so many others.
Laurie (12:20):
Yeah.
So when we say gods, we arereferring to, possibly, the
ancient extraterrestrials amongwhom we may have the respect of
one day sitting at the seat of ahighly advanced council with
them, a federation of speciesfrom many different worlds, if
not now, then someday.
There would be no better moviefranchise to discuss and compare
(12:43):
this to than Star Trek, whetherthat's the original series, the
next generation, Deep SpaceNine, Voyager Enterprise, it's
actually my favorite.
Joe (12:59):
Picard Strange, New World, you know, along with a slew of
books.
That's right.
Star Trek is in a class andgenre all of its own, and it was
created by Gene Roddenberry, afreelance writer and producer
and a former military pilot, notto mention a cop with the Los
Angeles Police Department.
It first debuted in September of1966 as a television series
(13:20):
series and it really was, inmany ways, the start of sci-fi
shows of its type and instillingan excited wonder in audiences,
with a sense of amazement atthe creativity and the drama
that it portrayed.
And this is the one that we allknow now as the original series
, the ones with william shatneras captain kirk, leonard nimoy
(13:44):
as Spock and DeForest Kelly asDr McCoy the classics.
I remember watching these asreruns in the 70s, when I was a
kid.
My dad liked to watch them andI would watch them with him.
So it takes place in the future, about 300 years to around 2268
.
And in Star Trek, earth is avery different place.
(14:05):
It is united and a desire forwealth and fame and power are
pretty much non-existent on thisplanet.
Humans have finally put asidetheir petty differences and
placed their focus on spaceexploration along with humanoid
aliens from other worlds, and atthat point we have become part
(14:27):
of the United Federation ofPlanets, and the characters you
mentioned, laurie and manyothers, serve with a military
organization called Starfleetand they're dedicated to
exploring the depths of spaceaboard the starship USS
Enterprise, and the story reallyis about that, about traveling
across the galaxy andencountering all kinds of
adventures.
Laurie (14:48):
Yeah, and you know, president Ronald Reagan probably
thought of the Star Trekcivilization when he made his
address to the 42nd session ofthe United Nations General
Assembly in New York City backon September 21st, way back in
1987, when he said this is hisquote in our obsession with
(15:09):
antagonisms of the moment, weoften forget how much unites all
members of humanity.
Perhaps we need some outsideuniversal threat to make us
recognized as Colin Bond, butit's what he said before.
That that got me thinking ofStar Trek, because Reagan said
and think of Star Trek as I readthis.
So this is where this is Reaganspeaking.
(15:32):
So this is where I believe wecan find a map to the world's
future, in the hearts ofordinary people, in their hopes
for themselves and theirchildren, in their prayers as
they lay themselves and theirfamilies to rest each night.
These simple people are thegiants of the earth, the true
builders of the world andshapers of the centuries to come
(15:54):
.
And if indeed they triumph as Ibelieve they will we will at
last know a world of peace andfreedom, opportunity and hope
and, yes, of democracy, a worldin which the spirit of mankind
at last conquers the old,familiar enemies of famine,
disease, tyranny and war.
Joe (16:15):
That is quite profound.
That was a very great speech byRonald Reagan and he may have
been influenced by Star Trekbecause, as we know now, it has
really left a big impression onour culture for many decades,
become a major media franchisewith newer series coming out
regularly, movies also for thebig screen, not only for
(16:38):
television and Netflix, but alsofor the big screen.
The first Star Trek movie Iremember was in the early 80s
and it was okay.
I thought it first Star Trekmovie I remember was in the
early 80s and it was OK.
I thought it was disappointing,but it was.
It was.
It was cool because it was aStar Trek movie.
Laurie (16:52):
Was that the motion picture or something?
I think it's Star Trek themotion picture.
Joe (16:56):
Yeah, I think that came out in 1981.
And it was kind of strange.
I remember just, I mean it waslooking back at it now I think
it's kind of artistic, it had alot of creativity.
But I remember as a kidwatching it thinking, yeah, I
don't get it.
The whole thing with Beegerthey found the old Voyager
spacecraft that was sent out inthe 70s and then in the future
(17:19):
they come across it on adifferent planet and they called
it Beeger because they couldn'tsee the letters o and y, I
guess.
Uh, it was lost on me as a kid,uh.
But also, you know plenty ofreboots.
Laurie (17:32):
Uh did a star trek series as well yeah, well, don't
forget that reagan was once anactor too, so I mean he is a
famous movie star at that um, inthe 1950s he he was cast in
quite a few military dramas likePrisoner of War and Hellcats in
the Navy, which are prettyobscure.
I'm sure not too many peoplehave heard of the old movies he
(17:54):
was in, but it could be that bybeing in Hollywood that he was
impressed by the Star Trek storyin a profound way and that it
is reflected in that speech hegave.
Now we gave the year 2268 forthe timeframe of Star Trek.
However, remember we talkedabout dates for Judgment Day or
(18:17):
possible the first contact datesin episode 13, called Judgment
Day the Return of the Gods.
Episode 13 called Judgment Daythe Return of the Gods, and
there we explain that if we arelooking to see if Judgment Day
will be in our time, then ageneration in Noah's time, as we
explained, it would have to belike 64 years, and this was
(18:37):
putting Judgment Day atapproximately year 2066, which
is a decade after World War IIIin the Star Trek story.
And if we are going by theJewish calendar, where they
expect their Messiah to returnby the year 6000, which will be
like 2240 on the Gregoriancalendar, then a generation will
(18:59):
have to be something like 66years and this will be placing
so-called Judgment Day around2206 AD.
So this is what you know wemean by there being.
You know possible truths in afictitious story like Star Trek.
Like did Gene Roddenberry andthe creators and other writers
did they create this storyline?
(19:19):
Like subconsciously, like,without knowing?
Were they being led to writehumanity's future?
Because the dates used are nottoo far off, dates used in
ancient texts?
Now, of course, creators couldalso have studied ancient texts
to create their storyline andtimelines and, you know, based
it off of the old text.
Who knows?
Joe (19:39):
Yeah, as for me, I really didn't get into any of it until
the Next Generation series,which is supposed to be like 100
years after the original seriesI guess it'd be the 2368 time
frame and then that came out inthe mid-90s with Patrick Stewart
as Captain Jean-Luc Picard.
I do like the original series,I like William Shatner, but all
(20:02):
those other series, particularlythe newer ones, I got to say I
don't really care too much forthem.
I'm not a big fan.
I really like the NextGeneration.
That was my favorite, and one ofthe things I think is cool,
though, about Star Trek is theengineering technobabble that
really almost puts the humaninnovation as it is now and
(20:22):
accurately projects it to whatit most likely will be or at
least sounds like it will bewhen we reach that point in the
future.
You know things like theholodeck, the coaxial warp drive
, the matter-antimatter reactorand all of that, and we see that
our own technologicaldevelopment has indeed picked up
at an unprecedented pace,certainly since the time that
(20:44):
Roddenberry wrote the originalstoryline, and actually there
are many articles out there thatexplain the principles of
something like the Enterprise'swarp engine in particular, and
it describes how such a thing istheoretically possible to
construct.
This is an article that's foundby Mike Wall on spacecom, dated
(21:07):
just this past May the 7th.
Laurie (21:11):
Yeah, well, you know, it's like you know humans, the
human mind.
We talked about imaginationearlier.
It's like if we could think ofit, eventually we can create it.
And if you know, one guy toldme one time, if we could see
something like those distantstars that we see at night, if
we can see it, we eventuallywill get there.
(21:31):
Eventually will get there.
And that's how powerful theimagination is, because we can
create things out of nothing,like we can.
The human mind is just sopowerful, like you said earlier.
Now it appears that, like peoplelike Elon Musk you know, we all
know who he is, and at least weshould by now I mean, he's
leading the charge into thefuture of space exploration, you
(21:53):
can't deny that.
Into the future of spaceexploration, you can't deny that
.
And by he's wanting humans tocolonize Mars, to be honest, you
know, some time ago, longbefore I ever heard of Elon Musk
, I wondered if NASA couldinvent a rocket that would lift
off and descend back to Earthand be used again.
And I bet you know a lot of usthought about this as well, and
(22:14):
I'm sure we all had the samethoughts.
And here we are, you know,we're watching it unfold before
our very eyes, to, you know, tothe stars right Ad Astra.
So it makes you wonder when he,elon, invents an engine or some
type of fuel that will propel,you know us, to Mars in half the
time, which now is six monthsthere and six months back, I
(22:38):
mean a whole year of travelinginto darkness of space.
And a better rocket needs to bemade that will cut six months
down to like three months oreven less.
If that happens, will we get theattention of a cosmic neighbor,
like in Star Trek's plot inwhich Zephyr Cochran created a
(23:00):
warp drive, that movie, starTrek First Contact.
Well, we, or do we already havesimilar technology to this
right now?
And did we already get theattention of cosmic neighbors
when we dropped nuclear bombsduring World War II?
The sad part of all this isthat in order for the Star Trek
(23:22):
universe to have peace and forthe human race to become
accepted into the Federation, atleast as far as the overall
plot is concerned, it had to gothrough a world war.
You know that post-atomichorror talked about and you have
to wonder if that is not aforetelling of what may happen
at some point.
Hopefully our civilization canobtain a Star Trek type of
(23:45):
civilization without having to,you know, nearly wipe each other
off the planet.
Joe (23:49):
And hopefully so.
But if we learn anything fromhistory, it's that mankind has
suffered tremendous, devastatinglosses, catastrophic ones that
have wiped out thousands uponthousands of people at a time,
and we still continue on.
I mean, we think of the BlackPlague, the countless wars, the
changes in global climate andocean levels over the millennia,
(24:11):
even the Great Deluge and theYounger Dryas period from 13,000
years ago, things that nearlyeliminate us as a species, end
up passing and we persevere, andI think, as horrifying of a
hellscape as a nuclear holocaustwould be, I believe that the
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human race will press on, andmaybe that is why we want to
examine the story in itsintrinsic substance.
Even though Star Trek isfictional, is there a message of
truth to it and if so, what isit?
Does Roddenberry and Musk forthat matter know something about
our human destiny, and are theytrying to explain to the world
(24:54):
this through storytelling,particularly Gene Roddenberry
trying to tell us this story andreveal this kind of truth?
Like we said, the imaginationcan reveal something deeper by
way of archetypes andallegorical symbols, and it
could be that the whole saga ofStar Trek is meant to unfold our
innate desire to explore and togo outside of the world.
Laurie (25:17):
That we know.
Joe (25:18):
And in doing so we know intuitively and instinctively
that there is much more outthere, much more than we realize
, and that it will change ourunderstanding of ourselves
forever.
And perhaps there is no moreevident than in our actual quest
to go into space and to reachthe moon and the planets.
And even though we have onlyjust begun our space programs in
(25:40):
the last 65 years, thepervasive and overwhelming sense
of ad astra has always beenwith us.
Laurie (25:47):
Yeah, that may be true and it may be the basis and
vision for the establishment ofour future civilization, like we
see in the Star Trek universe.
And Elon Musk and SpaceX hiscompany, one of his companies,
if you notice, there have beenmore and more launches of the
Falcon 9 that the media tells usof.
(26:08):
Every time there is a launchfrom the Vandenberg Space Force
Base in California, I'm alwayslooking west from Arizona for
the cool-looking display of arocket's trail.
And this is where the wholesecret space program comes into
play.
It is possible for that toexist and I think it most likely
(26:28):
does.
I mean, we brought up GaryMcKinnon several times now and
his hacking into the Pentagonand NASA computers and he had
discovered non-terrestrialofficer information and naval
type ships that did not matchany known ships here on Earth.
So throw in the most recenttalks by government officials.
You know these past few yearsabout UAPs such as the Tic Tac
(26:51):
UFO, and you know that wasreported to not be of this world
.
So it's most likely true that asecret space program does exist
and this is only the beginningof our quest to reach the stars
and travel among them.
And you know, in an articlethat was published April 11th of
this year, the 2024, by SpaceLaunch Delta 30 Public Affairs.
(27:14):
They wrote about a launch fromSpace Launch Complex 4 East
which carried a US Space Forceweather system follow-on
microwave into low Earth orbit.
Now, even a wording in thissounds scary.
Joe (27:29):
Yeah, it sure does.
It makes you wonder what thatis.
I think most of it isconsidered classified.
It makes you wonder what thatis.
I think most of it isconsidered classified.
But yeah, microwave systems inlow Earth orbit.
It's hard to say what it couldbe, but it does go on to explain
that the launch was coordinatedby Space Launch Delta 30 and
(27:50):
the Space Systems Command tosupport the new US Space Force
and the Space Systems Command tosupport the new US Space Force.
Of course, launches havecontinued to this day and become
, since Vandenberg became partof the Space Force, became
Vandenberg Space Force Base backin May of 2021.
Before that, it was justVandenberg Air Force Base, as it
(28:12):
was established in 1957.
And since then it has conductedmore than 2,000 launches for
the US Space Force, as well asthe entire Department of Defense
, NASA and even privatecontractors, just like SpaceX,
which is probably the largest ofthe private companies that put
assets into space, mostlysending up those Starlink
(28:35):
satellites which you mentioned,and they are pretty spectacular
to watch.
We can see them here in Arizonawhenever Falcon 9 goes up.
You can see the exhaust trailbecause they seem to launch them
in the evening so that itreflects or refracts the
sunlight after it's set belowthe horizon.
It looks really spectacular, uh, spectacular.
And of course, eventually yousee the the package of these
(28:58):
satellites deploy and you seethat long string of white lights
like a train going through thesky and it freaks everybody out
yeah it.
Laurie (29:06):
It freaked my daughter out the the last one that was
launched from there, and shedidn't know what to think of it.
I had to explain it to her whatit was well it.
Joe (29:15):
It was the one I saw a couple of years ago and it was
like right around April of, Ithink, 2022.
I was a little worried.
It was right after the war andUkraine started and things were
kind of there was some talkgoing on between Russia and the
West and I was like this isn'tan ICBM.
I hope You're like what is that?
(29:37):
It could be the Falcon 9, or itcould be the Russians watching
an ICBM at us, hopefully.
But yeah, a lot of people areprobably thinking the same thing
, yeah.
Laurie (29:48):
Yeah, all right.
I mean, I sometimes question ifthey really are sending all
those satellites or if it's justa cover for something else.
And you know, this is only thebeginning of our ingenuity,
right, our imaginations canreally go wild and create entire
universes that you know.
While they don't truly exist,they do occupy our thinking.
Joe (30:11):
If we can think about it, odds are, you know, it becomes
reality later, and that is animportant point, the story is
fiction, it is not real, andthere is no such thing as, say,
the Borg in objective reality.
It does exist within theschemata of our minds and, as
such, is a manifestation, asynaptic substrate of our brains
(30:35):
.
Our brains do exist inobjective, physical reality and
our minds are processes of theneuronal networks that are
within it.
And our minds are so amazingand powerful that you can make
the argument that our ideasformed are such that they are
more real than the objects thatare in the physical world.
(30:55):
I mean, after all, it is ideasand our mental processes that
give any meaning to thoseobjects, at least as far as we
perceive them.
Is a tree, in its essence, realbecause it occupies space, or
is it real because of thesensory information provided to
our brains that tell us it's atree?
It's a difference betweenrealism and ideism.
(31:20):
Do things exist independently ofthe mind or does the mind
precede the existence of things?
Through our ability tounderstand and know truth as it
forms within the constructs ofour thoughts, what is meant by
truth?
Is it simply things that aredemonstrated as being true in
the physical world?
And obviously there are thingsfound to be true that are not or
(31:41):
cannot be demonstrated as such,things like our innermost
thoughts and our beliefs, ourintuition and emotions.
We know these are real becausewe experience them right in the
physical world where we exist.
So it's metaphysics versusscience, dualism versus monism,
(32:01):
realism versus ideism,spirituality versus corporality.
Philosophers have been debatingthese kinds of concepts for
centuries.
Laurie (32:11):
Yeah, I mean we can find many instances where the idea
of something proceeds tosomething.
Consider how, in the NextGeneration series, which came
out in the 90s, where there wereflat screen television monitors
and it wasn't too long afterthat that we were buying them,
we now also have the across theforehead temperature readers,
(32:35):
much like Dr Beverly Crusherused, and we now have body
scanners just like that to lookfor obstructions in our bodies,
like ground-penetrating radars.
And we have the body scannersthat look for the obstructions
in our bodies.
We have the flip phones.
Now we have flat screen phones.
(32:55):
When the next cell phones cameout remember those?
We were pretending to be likeCaptain Kirk, flipping them open
and speaking Captain's Logssupplemental.
I think I've discovered theanswer, but to carry out my plan
, oh yes, I do remember thosedays.
Joe (33:13):
It wasn't that long ago either.
It really wasn't.
I mean what, 15 years ago?
Something like that.
But, there are many moreinventions of fiction from Star
Trek that did become realityrather quickly and are used on a
daily basis, such as the pad,the personal access display
device.
Those are the small flathandheld touch computers that
(33:37):
are seen throughout,particularly the next generation
.
Now we use those daily, somehundreds of times daily.
The Apple iPad or tablet.
There's also that thing calleda tricorder.
That's pretty much the iPhone.
Then there is Alexa um, justlike the ship's computer, you
(33:57):
talk to it, it answers you andyou instruct it to to carry out
some task and it does it.
Uh, we now have that femaletone voice interface in most of
our homes, you know, soundingvery much like the enterprise's
ship's computer.
And we we even have smartphonedevices and systems that are
called Android, much like data.
(34:18):
The Android, all of thewireless and cellular
telecommunication and computerprocessing is straight out of
what I was seeing on those showsonly 30 years ago, not a long
time.
Laurie (34:31):
Yeah Well, you know.
Speaking of Alexa?
Joe (34:41):
Yeah Well, you know if you speaking of Alexa, if you say
Alexa engage, she'll respond andsay, aye, aye, captain, that's
clever, that's pretty coolactually.
Laurie (35:02):
But, and of course, there is the universal
translators too.
So I mean you can now useGoogle app.
I mean I use it at work all thetime and when I'm dealing with
the public that you know, a lotof people you know are traveling
back and forth, and you know Ijust used this app and it's got
every language listed, atranslator, and I mean you can
communicate with every languageon the planet.
Now.
And there is also thereplicator, which can create
food and other items on the spot.
Well, I mean 3D printers,anyone.
I mean we can't create food bythem yet, but I mean that's
(35:24):
coming, I'm sure that is coming,yeah.
Joe (35:27):
Yeah, that's coming.
Laurie (35:29):
And remember, captain Picard, you know T Earl Grey,
and it just makes the tea rightthere for him.
Um, yeah, I think that would be.
That's almost like a, uh, ak-cup, or we call them the
k-pods for the coffees.
Yeah, it just needs to be, likeyou know, pre-selected and put
(35:49):
in the wall or something likethat, and then all of a sudden
you know it'd be voice activatedand you can say, yeah, folgers,
coffee or something you know,right, um, yeah, and, and I mean
we can't not forget about the,uh, the, the holodecks Um, we
are not quite there yet, but wewill be someday, because we
already have virtual reality,like which some of them are so
(36:11):
good that you actually feel likeyou are there Just watching
some of these funny videos wherepeople are playing a game and
they're beating the place up orthey're scared because
something's chasing them,because it's so real, they're in
another world or wherever, andyet the whole time you're still
(36:32):
in your home.
Joe (36:33):
Right.
I think the only thing that'sdifferent about what we have now
with those virtual realitygames is the headset.
You don't need the headset.
You just step into the room andthere you are.
You are in your virtual realityas if you were really there,
with nothing encumbered.
If we ever get to that pointwhere you can just simply walk
(36:56):
into a room and the entireprogram of imagery and sensory
input is given to you withouthaving to wear anything, yeah,
then we're.
Then we're on the enterprise atthat point.
Laurie (37:05):
So and we know that that's coming, because just
think of the green screens andmovies.
Already All you got to do isjust put that in a room or
whatever, and it's game on.
Joe (37:14):
Kind of is already there when we talk about that green
screen um effect for giving thatimages, all that fancy scenery
we see in the movies of thingsblowing up and buildings falling
and if you ever watch, you knowclips of how they they make
these things.
I mean, you see people runningaround and all there is behind
them is a green screen, there'sa green felt, there's nothing
(37:37):
there that is running.
And then all that other stuffis computer generated against
you know, it's imposed on thegreen screen and it looks like
you know they're in that city.
That's, you know, has buildingscrumbling and cars being
flipped over and everything likethat.
So yeah, if we ever get to thepoint where you can make that
like in your home, so you're notwatching it on TV but you're
(37:57):
watching it like right there inyour house, that means we've
invented the holodeck as theyhave it on the enterprise.
So yeah, that may be too faraway, no nope.
So, for all you Trekkies outthere, we hope you enjoyed this
topic.
We're wrapping up the show now.
We do love Star Trek andscience fiction.
(38:19):
The whole franchise is showingno sign of slowing down.
Whether or not the quality ofthe drama is what it used to be,
that's up for debate, dependingon your own personal opinion
about that, but it's certainthat the franchise is not
slowing slowing down.
Neither is the imaginative workgoing into making more episodes
(38:42):
, and we are excited to see whatother creations may one day
turn into reality from it.
Like with everything, only timewill tell.
So we hope that all of you arenot just tracky fans, but
everyone listening enjoy today'sshow.
Um, be sure to join us again intwo weeks, um, when we, just as
(39:03):
we did today with star trek, wewill discuss the epic theme and
saga of a different movie, adifferent franchise, that one
being battle star galactica yeah, very excited about that one
too.
Laurie (39:15):
Remember everyone, if you and if you guys are looking
to, you know, purchase our novel, the Battle Planet AD, relic of
the Gods, you must go to AmazonBooks.
You know, not the typicalAmazon site, that where you can
get all the other stuff.
Some people have been tellingme that they couldn't find the
book and that they can only findit on like Barnes and Noble
(39:36):
until I had to show them to.
You know, go to Amazon Booksand then type in the title.
So, you know, we hope thathelps you if you've been having
troubles with that.
Joe (39:45):
Yeah, yeah.
Thanks, laurie, for explainingand clarifying that.
Yeah, so until our next show,folks stay safe, stay cool and
stay curious.
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