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Could the very strings of global events be pulled by unseen forces? Join us as we wrap up our ninth season, taking you on a riveting journey behind the curtain of the world's most elusive power brokers. From the impact of COVID-19 to the resurgence of the Illuminati in modern culture, we've pieced together an intricate tapestry of theories that will challenge the way you perceive the mechanisms of power and control in our institutions. We're not just scratching the surface; we're unearthing the roots of a potential shadow government whose reach might extend to every corner of society.
As we venture into the realm of the extraterrestrial and the conspiratorial, we question the presence of higher authorities, comparing the alleged indifference of Pleiadeans to human issues with that of the Illuminati's historic manipulation. We stir the pot further by examining the involvement of figures like George Soros and Klaus Schwab in societal upheavals and the true drivers behind 'woke' social movements, suggesting they might be the chess moves of power-maintaining shadow institutions. And for the history buffs, we delve into the birth of the Illuminati, tracing its evolution and enduring grasp on the public imagination through its representation in pop culture.
Finally, in the spirit of revelation and foresight, we examine the divisive concept of a New World Order. From the shaping of governance and secret societies to wars and global governance skepticism, we explore the potential reality behind this controversial notion, and how it intersects with religious prophecies and extraterrestrial lore. As we bid farewell to this season, we thank you for joining us on this expedition into the unknown and eagerly anticipate the discoveries that await us in the next season.
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Joe (00:02):
Hello everybody, thank you for joining us on Alien Talk
Podcast.
This is the show where wediscuss all things about aliens
and UFOs and, as always, wherewe push the limits of our
understanding.
We are Joe and Laurie, here toseek the truth and find the
facts pertaining to highlydiscussed issues about the
ancient astronaut theory andcontemporary ufology, and we
(00:23):
come to you today at theconclusion of our ninth season
of bringing you informativeshows covering intriguing and
fascinating topics that arecurrently on the front line of
paranormal discussion all overthe internet.
It's hard to believe that itwas three years ago this month
that we started Alien TalkPodcast, and it's hard for me to
wrap my head around this beingour ninth episode again, our
(00:45):
90th episode, sorry, our 90thepisode, ninth season, 90th
episode.
We began that program back inMay 2021, or late April 2021 and
, without trying to sound cliche, a lot has happened since then.
A lot has changed in the worldjust within the last three years
since we aired that firstepisode.
(01:06):
Am I correct in saying that,Laurie?
Laurie (01:09):
Yeah, without a doubt.
This time three years ago wewere going through the whole
COVID-19 pandemic and we werestill pretty deep into all of
that and we still had the maskmandates and social distancing
things.
And I think that at that timewe were just beginning with the
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vaccinations, I believe.
And it was before the whole warin Ukraine, before the old
Chinese spy balloon thing, theLas Vegas alien sighting.
It was before a lot of the bignews events.
So three years is not a heck ofa lot of time.
But things are happening at amuch faster pace now in the
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world than they ever used to andwe're witnessing the changes
unfold much more quickly nowthan a lot of us ever have
before.
And the last three to fiveyears has had more press and
social media stories than thelast 10 to 15 years or so.
Joe (02:14):
Yeah right.
The amount of information thatis flowing into our brains from
thousands and thousands ofsources is just incessant,
pervasive, constant andall-engrossing.
And it's right at ourfingertips 24-7.
.
.
non-stop.
And the world is changing fast,and that constant availability
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and perpetuality of newscoverage and communications is
actually what helps contributeto that faster pace of change.
It's almost paradoxical in thatthe more information that is
put out there about what ishappening throughout the world
sort of amplifies the impetusfor more things to happen and
become stories to be told andreported.
And of course, with that notioncomes the question of why is
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that?
Are these changes that we seetaking place more rapidly than
ever before?
Are they being controlled bysomething?
Are they part of a higheragenda, a bigger plan?
To put it plainly, is theresomething lurking in the shadows
of all of our political,academic and even religious
institutions?
Is there something like somesort of network or elaborate
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organization that we can't seeon the surface yet is
responsible for steering theworld in the direction it is
going?
Something like a Great Reset ora New World Order?
Laurie (03:31):
Yeah, and the idea of secret societies and secret
governments, for that matter, issomething that has been around
for quite a while.
We've all heard about theIlluminati, of course.
Heard about the Illuminati, ofcourse, which has been thought
to be the sort of mastermindgroup that forms that interwoven
connection like it's a secretconnection of political and
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intellectual think tanks aroundthe globe, and it is kind of
analogous to a spider's web, inwhich events and occurrences in
some places are coordinated withuh, events and occurrences and
others.
And some might refer to thiskind of operational network as
the underpinning of the newworld order, or or else it is
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just as um, just a means for theelite leaders of the world to
maintain their power.
Now I think many would agreethat the the real purpose of the
world to maintain their power.
Now I think many would agreethat the real purpose of
something like a shadowgovernment, which has to do with
ruling entities who areobscured from the scenes of
everyday headlines, is to keepcontrol over the masses and to
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gain even more control.
And we recently saw how easilythe government can do this, and
just look at how quickly theCOVID-19 mandates were given all
over the world and how quickly,citizens fell in line with
those orders, all in response tofear of danger and the need for
safety.
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The media, it seems, was amouthpiece for the government
and was clearly an importanttool to spreading any and all
information to the public aboutthe threat of the virus and the
precautions needed to be takenagainst it.
And this has led some tospeculate that there is another
group behind them, a larger,more powerful group of puppet
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masters, if you will, agovernment behind all of the
governments, and some think thatthe Illuminati is that group.
Joe (05:28):
Yeah.
So that raises the question ofif there is such a thing as a
shadow government, who are theplayers who are part of it?
Is it a group of people or isit more of a set of
interrelationships that existsthrough laws, policies and
executive or administrativedirectives from presidents and
monarchs?
We've heard the words deepstate used more and more in the
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last few years, and it refers tothose actors in the federal
government who are behind allthe processes of elections,
appointments, confirmations,legislative acts and judicial
motions that we as the publicare informed about, but most of
us do not see what happensbehind the so-called curtains.
In some way, the deep state isthe body of bureaucrats who have
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been employed for a long timewith the government, and is also
a depiction, at the same time,of a network that pervades the
entire body politic of a nation,maybe even goes beyond that.
And could it be that all of ourofficials and all of the
extremely wealthy privateers andcorporate entrepreneurs answer
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to this one sort of shadowinstitution, whatever it is and
who or what it is that gives itthat so much power.
Why does it have so much power?
Some would possibly say ahigher authority, and it is a
higher because of the knowledgeexcuse me, the knowledge that it
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possesses and the informationit controls.
Could this entity be a higherauthority, since it has
connections with something thattranscends even the existence of
our human life on earth?
Would it be somethingextraterrestrial or, in the very
least, something that has anextensive understanding of
something extraterrestrial?
Laurie (07:17):
yeah, it certainly could , and there are a lot of the
theorists who have propelledthis idea of a shadow government
into the limelight, so to speak.
David Icke is one of them.
He is a British sportsbroadcaster who has written many
conspiracy books aboutreptilian aliens.
There is also Jim Marrs.
He's an American journalist whodid research in the 1970s on
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the US Army's top secretStargate project.
Of course, there is Alex Jones,who got himself into trouble
with his defamatory position onthe 2012 Sandy Hook shooting.
He believes that there is asecret cabal somewhere that is
functioning as a criminal outfitand bringing about all of the
problems in our society.
And Carol Quigley, who taughtat the Georgetown University,
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wrote about a roundtablemovement that was influential in
the outcome of many popularelections throughout the past
150 years, both in the US andalso in Europe of course, about
a shadow government might seem alittle radical and
conspiratorial, but keep in mindthat international ruling
bodies and individuals do indeedexist.
Joe (08:31):
We are familiar with many of them.
Just take the Hungarian-American multi-billionaire,
George Soros.
He made a fortune in hedge fundinvesting and capital
shareholding in many differentcorporations in many different
countries.
Capital shareholding in manydifferent corporations in many
different countries, and he iswell known to have financed many
different progressive activistprograms, some of which have
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brought about big culturalrevolutions in the last few
years.
Could that be something of theworkings of a shadow government
that has the influence to bringchanges to the established
regimes in the world?
Also, considered Klaus Schwab,the German engineer and founder
of the World Economic Forum, andhis agenda is to form a reset
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of our global monetary system.
It is in alliance with peoplelike George Soros.
They want to have a one worldcurrency, one money for
everybody in the world.
They want to have a one worldcurrency, one money for
everybody in the world and, evenworse, they in turn could be
working together with the UnitedNations.
We have evidence that they are.
They're working with thingslike the World Bank and the
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World Health Organizations.
It's been in the news in thelast few years, so as to bring
all this about, that they'retalking about with the new world
order and their vision to forma one world government with it,
a one world currency.
Laurie (09:51):
Yeah, well, there is another controversial author and
journalists who claim thatextraterrestrial aliens were
involved with a shadow worldorder, when that was Milton
Cooper.
And that was Milton Cooper.
He was a radio broadcaster fromthe 1980s and 90s who ran a
show from the White Mountains ofArizona called the Hour of the
Time, and in his book titled BOA Pale Horse, he describes the
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doings of the secret worldgovernment and the Illuminati
declaring war against the USA,and he also believed that the
Illuminati and extraterrestrialswere working with the US
government and that it the ETsthat were the ones ruling and
controlling humanity through thesecret societies like those of
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the Illuminati.
Joe (10:38):
Well, it makes you wonder who the extraterrestrials are
who Cooper is referring to.
Not only do we hear about theIlluminati but there are also
Freemasons, the Rosicrucians,the Skull and Bone Society.
Not only them, but there's alsoorganized religion.
The Vatican itself is reallylike its own secret society.
(10:58):
Now David Icke has publiclysaid that he believes that they
are these ETs who are behindthese secrets .
What he thinks are behind thesecret societies are reptilians
and that they could bemasquerading behind human skin.
That is something of which I ampretty skeptical.
I'm sure most people are, but Idon't think you need to go to
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such an extreme degree tocomprehend how political,
economic and societal processescan take place in secrecy.
In the United States, this ideagoes all the way back to the
days of the Revolutionary War.
You know where some of thecolonists formed a secret
government.
So, as it began theindependence of the 13 colonies
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from England, we know that therewas a huge Masonic influence on
all of that, and it is duringthat period, the 17th and 18th
centuries that is known as theEnlightenment, that the use of
the word Illuminati comes about,possibly as a code to refer to
a body of thinking for a new age.
That would oppose theestablishment.
One of the parts of theestablishment, of course, would
be the Church.
Laurie (12:08):
Right.
But it goes much further backthan that.
If we throw religion into themix, like Milton Cooper believed
, there may be a connection withIke's belief and Cooper's.
Actually, I mean, we can goaround and around discussing
this, but Ike's belief in thereptilians may be connected to
the ancient alien race known asthe Anunnaki.
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I think everybody knows aboutthe Anunnaki now, but not sure
if Milton Cooper believed in theAnunnaki per se or the
reptilians or not.
I don't know.
But if he believed that aliensmanipulated humans through the
establishment of secretsocieties and religions and
governments, then that alienrace that did so I mean most
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likely it had to be the anunnakiwell, and that's because you
know our earthly religions, themonotheistic religions.
Joe (12:59):
they all can be traced back to the fertile crescent.
You knowcent.
You know ancient Mesopotamia,modern-day Iraq and the Middle
East, and this is where thethree major religions of Judaism
, Christianity and Islamoriginate.
And the ancient alien theorysuggests that the Anunnaki were
those ETs who came down from theheavens and had a part in
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creating mankind in their image,and it was them who instilled
the laws for our civilizationsto flourish.
Now, many descriptions of theAnunnaki are similar to that of
the reptilians.
Just from the Bible alone, wehave these depictions of God
like that of a dragon or aleviathan, or even the Devil
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might have a depiction of adragon or a leviathan, or even
the devil might have a depictionof a dragon or a Leviathan.
We also have the book ofGenesis describing a reptilian
tempting Eve to eat the fruit inthe tree of knowledge, the
serpent.
And even when we talk about themyth about Atlantis, we see
that there's a strong allusionto this concept of a grand
government that is run by eliteswhose arrogant desire and
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strive for power leads to acolossal downfall of what is
supposedly the greatestcivilization ever to exist.
That downfall is likened to theidea of falling out of favor
with the gods, possiblyreptilian gods and, as we've
asked many times, are these gods, the advanced race of
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extraterrestrials who areresponsible for putting us here
in the first place?
This theme, of course, isrepeated in similar ways with
the fall of the Greek Empire andthe Roman Empire and really all
of the mighty civilizationsfrom classical antiquity.
Laurie (14:46):
Yeah.
So I mean, they could very wellbe the same species, and one
thing is for sure, I think myopinion, that is that they are
not the Illuminati.
The Illuminati are the shadowgovernment of humans who are
answering to the higher power ofextraterrestrials.
It's the Galactic Council, orFederation, if you will, that we
discussed last episode.
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That is a maybe, of course, butit could be that Ike is right
and that the High Council theyare consulting with are indeed
the Reptilian race, so they'reall connected somehow in the
whole scheme of things, right?
I mean, Illuminati even soundssimilar to Anunnaki, right?
Joe (15:29):
Yeah, it does.
Now could it be that the tallwhite aliens, or a tall whites
as they are commonly referred to, be the ones keeping the peace
or protecting us from beingcompletely enslaved by the
Reptilian slash Anunnaki?
We've referred to this speciesof alien before tall white
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aliens.
They are the Pleiadeans or theNordics we hear much about.
Are they the ones sitting onthis kind of high council and
interceding on our behalf?
Is it that these tall whiteswho are working secretly with
the world governments or the U.
S.
government?
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If you think about it, thissounds a lot like the basis for
that whole Valiant Thor story wetalked about just a few weeks
ago, with Liberace coming downfrom the planet Venus so he can
visit the President to air hisconcerns about our nuclear
weapons proliferation president,to air his concerns about our
nuclear weapons proliferation.
Now this narrative is under theguise of the betterment for
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humanity by these benevolentaliens.
But something we need to pointout about Pleiadians or Tall
Whites or Nordics is that whilethey are often perceived and
acclaimed to be benevolent andkind-natured and full of love,
they also believe in some waysto be more indifferent to the
human condition, as SelineShenoy says in a blog about
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Nordic aliens on a websitecalled Scanification.
C om.
Perhaps they're more interestedin the maintenance and order of
the galaxy, in a way that'd besimilar to, you know, not being
worried about, like what is,what bad things might be
happening inside of oneparticular house, as long as the
neighborhood on a whole isquiet and peaceful.
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And this actually does seem todescribe very well how a higher
authority or a higherorganization, something like the
Illuminati, would see things,by looking at the bigger picture
and not getting into thenitty-gritty small details that
would be considered overall asinsignificant, all the while
remaining distant and etherealfrom these things going on on a
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lower level, looking at thingson a bigger level, thus seeming
rather indifferent to problemsthat we are experiencing as
individuals.
Laurie (17:50):
Yeah right, Well, a secret government would be more
focused on the grand result orthe grand purpose.
You know like I often wonder.
It is believed that GeorgeSoros and the like are against
the US, like we said, and wantto see its destruction.
Now, I never spoke to GeorgeSoros personally about this, but
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we're not that close right.
But there are many claims outthere, some by conspiracy
theorists, probably most of themby conspiracy theorists that
accuse him of financing theseriots.
And these last couple of weekswe've seen the Palestinian
protests on universities in theUS that some news outlets
advised were funded and evenplanned and organized by some
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external source or sources.
Organized by some externalsource or sources, and I
remember watching the newsduring the Antifa riots, you
know, during the whole COVIDthing, and I believe it was
either New York, Minneapolis orChicago maybe, where loads of
bricks were delivered in theheart of downtown areas and
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there's no construction going onthere.
But who funded that like, whoordered those bricks to be
placed there?
So the you know, so the rioterscan use them to destroy us
businesses, and I mean destroythem.
They did.
They tore the, these businessesup yeah for sure.
Joe (19:28):
Yeah, I've wondered that as well, laurie.
Um, you know, some of thisstuff is blatantly well, I mean,
I mean that's obvious, but itseems, uh, the strong
correlation, a reasonableassumption that it's controlled
from somewhere else.
It's not a grassroots, as theysay, homegrown activity.
And well, just going back towhat you said about the
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Illuminati and the connection towoke, which is the coined term
for the social and politicalideology that pushes for the
rectification of all injusticesand intolerances from the past,
whether they are real orperceived or simply nuanced
within the culture, most of ushave become acquainted with it
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in recent years as an embracingof beliefs that have been
labeled in a way to go against,uh, normative values and and has
brought rise to identitypolitics and also a lot of
turmoil, as you, as you, pointedout.
Um, so the, the, the uh wokeismhas its roots that go back
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almost 70 years, to somethingknown as the Frankfurt School of
Postmodernism Philosophy thatproposed the concept of critical
theory, and this was put forthin a treatise by Max Forkheimer
and Eric Fromm as a way toexplaining the underlying
assumptions about society thatkeep people from understanding
the truth, which, to them, isbecause of the imbalance in the
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distribution of power and wealth.
It has been modified over timeto reflect the emphasis on
causes of societal and culturalinequities so as to fit certain
movements, such as by calling itcritical race theory or
critical gender theory orcritical education theory.
They're pretty much all thesame idea.
So the question many peoplehave is is this a manifestation
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of shadow institutions that areat work to bring about major
uniform changes throughout theworld?
And if so, then is it beingorchestrated in ways similar to
forming a religious movement inwhich the masses are coerced to
accept something as true becauseit is coming from authoritarian
political and academicstructures?
As such, a way to keep power inthe hands of an elite and
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that's really what it would allbe about is maintaining power to
a few and having the rest ofthe world follow the ruling
class.
Laurie (21:58):
Yeah, I couldn't agree more, Joe.
I mean, they do promote andteach the critical race theory
in schools throughout thecountry, and they dwell on the
past and they look to destroythose who oppose them in their
agenda of cancel culture.
So it does appear strongly thatthere is indeed a hidden agenda
through the social media chain,a behind-the-scenes puppet
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masters that are pulling thestrings, and in an article by
Phil Edwards dated back onJanuary 19, 2016, in Voxcom,
titled Nine Questions About theIlluminati you Were Afraid to
Ask, he wrote that, when itcomes to these shadowy cabals,
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the Illuminati should be at thetop of any conspiracy theorist
list, and spoke with a lawprofessor from the University of
Florida who is also the authorof a book called Conspiracy
Theories, secrecy and power inAmerican Culture.
Joe (23:16):
And the author is Mark A Finster, and he stated it's
absurd on its face that you'vegot this sacred group that's
more than 300 years old and theycontinue to see arguments about
its relevance today.
Yeah, and Edwards continued inthat article to provide a little
history on the Illuminati,which originated from Bavaria.
He wrote that it was a secretsociety that only operated on
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record for one decade, thatbeing from 1776 to 1785.
It was founded by Adam Weishaup, a German law professor, who
believed in enlightened idealsand promoted these ideals to the
elites of the time.
Now he, that being Weishaup,wanted the Illuminati members to
be educated in reason,philanthropy and other secular
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values so that they couldinfluence political decisions
once they were in power.
And it all dwindled from there.
But in this last century or sothe mention of the Illuminati
has increased dramatically,mostly because of all the growth
in the capitalist society likethe US and the influence of
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movies and music and books etc.
So it's the allure of thishidden cabal or shadowy society
that has thrust the Illuminatiinto today's limelight even more
, even though really it went offrecord almost 200 years ago or
over 200 years ago.
It is more popular now.
Really it went off recordalmost 200 years ago or over 200
years ago.
It is more popular now thanever was whether it exists, is
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and it's really up for debatecorrect.
Laurie (24:43):
Now let's uh examine how the tall whites fit in with
this idea about a secretgovernment.
I mean, they are the ones whoyou know, seem to conform to the
image of guardians, much likethe you know pallidians from the
Pleiades star system.
They also are described as tall, with pale white complexions,
like pasty white, with blondehair.
They are often referred to asthe Nordics due to a
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Scandinavian appearance.
There's also a species calledthe Lyrans from the
constellation Lyra, who are alsosupposed to be what you would
call the nice aliens, who wantto give guidance and mentorship
to all humanity as a whole, notas separate nations, the Nordics
.
They do look similar to us andthe stories portray them as
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having compassion toward alllife and showing interest in
providing spiritual guidance,and they do appear to match
descriptions of what I guessreligious people would call
angelic beings.
They have human-likeappearances, but they definitely
are not human.
Joe (25:48):
Yeah, and it's also important to know that these
Nordic aliens, they are believedfrom the mythology to be gods.
However, they are not the sameas the Norse pantheon of gods.
The Norse gods like Odin, lokiand Frigg are actually
representations of the Anunnaki,meaning that Odin is another
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form of the Sumerian Anu, justlike the Greek Zeus and the
Babylonian Kutushamish and theEgyptian Amun-Ra.
Loki is a form of the SumerianEnki, just like with the Greek
Hermes and the Babylonian Nabuand the Egyptian Thoth, etc.
Laurie (26:29):
Right.
The Nordics or most likely, thePallidians, are referred to as
star people or children of thestars, or children of the sun,
and are thought to come fromplanets orbiting stars of the
seven sisters, which is withinthe cluster of the Pleiades.
Joe (26:44):
Yeah, and this represents the seven sisters in Greek
mythology, who are the daughtersof Atlas and who Zeus put onto
a bull so as to be protectedagainst Rhino hunter.
And if you look in the sky, thenight sky, you can see.
These constellations areactually pretty close proximity
in the night sky and it hascaught the attention of
stargazers for centuries and itseems that there has always been
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an allure to people towards itin a sort of romantic, mystical
way, and there's a creativitythat draws on its beauty and,
you know, on its uniqueness.
Laurie (27:20):
Right, and the Australian Aborigines and the
African Maizai teach that theirancestors came from there.
Now I mean within the NativeAmerican culture.
The importance of the starpeople is a very prevalent
belief about their ancientancestors dwelling in the
heavens and that they had comedown to Earth in the past to
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teach them various skills.
They are thought by many tostill come down and help by
providing wisdom andenlightenment and even spiritual
guidance.
Joe (27:52):
Yeah, and many of the tribes, like the Lakota, zuni
and the Hopi, all believe thatthey come from the Pleiades.
They all refer to that samepart of the night sky.
There are also entities calledthe Kachinas that represent
different aspects of theuniverse and the world around us
, such as the sun, the moon, themountains, the wind, etc.
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And they are considered to bedivine deities, and this lines
up a lot with other beliefs fromaround the world about those
who dwell in the skies and arethere to help humanity.
Laurie (28:27):
Right, and this is the connection to the Pleiadeans the
type of being who is benevolentand nurturing, that protects
humans, just like in the wayparents protect children.
Joe (28:37):
I think we can even expand that metaphor to say that the
Pleiadeans or the Nordics arethe tall whites who extend
compassion and kindness andmentoring At least we hope so.
Right kindness and mentoring atleast we hope so right.
If the Anunnaki were the oneswho created our species, then
they would be quote-unquote likethe biological parents.
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So here we have.
One race of aliens may bebetter at protecting a
vulnerable species than the onewho is actually responsible for
bringing it into existence inthe first place.
Laurie (29:09):
Yeah, that's right.
And just as there are various,you know, sort of tales told of
people being malevolent anddiabolical on one extreme and
peaceful and compassionate onthe other, so too are
extraterrestrials areextraterrestrials.
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George Adamski, he's a I thinkhe died in like early 1960s
early 1960s but he was an authorand he was big into the whole
ufology scene back then, back inthose days, and you know he
also believed that the Nordicgods that he spoke to because he
talked about traveling on theirships and everything were also
the Space Brothers, who hereferred to as one day returning
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to save us from ourtechnological selves.
Each society of civilization haddifferent languages and
understanding of theseextraterrestrial gods, and let's
take the Dogon people of WestAfrica, for example.
They have an oral traditionthat is highly similar to the
Sumerian creation myth found inthe Enuma Elish, and to them
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their gods, called the Nomos,descended to Earth all the way
from the Sirius B star system,and they were referred to as the
monitors and teachers.
And they were referred to asthe monitors and teachers, and
they taught humanity theknowledge of science,
mathematics, writing and art, aswell as special wisdom
comprising of things like magicand sorcery and alchemy and
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soothsaying, and this is similarto how the watchers of the Book
of Enoch are depicted withinthe Western literary traditions.
Joe (30:51):
So the question is are the tall white Nordics the ones who
are leading all of ourgovernments?
Are they the ones leading us toa new world order?
We've heard that phrase come upa lot.
I think the late formerPresident George H.
W.
Bush used it probably more thanany other president in our time
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, and I believe all of us canrelate to the changes we see
happening within our societies,whether at a local level, a
national level or even a globalone.
We are seeing things occurringthat we've never seen in our
lifetimes.
Really, it seems like the worldis often going crazy, with
everyone being polarized on allthese different issues and with
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ideological narratives beingproclaimed and policies being
made, and with some of thepublic statements about things
like existential threats.
So the threats are existentialbecause they shake to the core
the very ideas and beliefs thatwe have about our worldviews.
Laurie (31:54):
I think we can all relate to how we are witnessing
a metamorphosis and how we aregoverned, how we communicate,
how we travel, how we obtaininformation and how we conduct
commerce.
A metamorphosis that many wouldcall a move toward the New World
Order.
And for some this conjures goodthoughts, a progressive thing
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that is going to benefit all ofhumanity, and for others this
conjures bad thoughts, atotalitarian thing that is going
to go against the betterment ofthe overall human condition.
What is a perfect utopia forsome is a nightmarish hellscape
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for others.
I mean, like you know,Republicans could be happy if
the world goes one way, and youknow, the Democrats will be
happy if the world goes theother, but each other will be
very disappointed in whicheverway it goes.
So it all depends.
But one can say that we arealways on the brink of a new
world order, and we saw it withthe rise of terrorism, and we
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saw it with the ending of theCold War and the fall of the
Soviet Union.
We saw it with theestablishment of the United
Nations after World War II andits predecessor, the League of
Nations, after World War I.
So one can even say that thefounding of the United States
back in 1976 was nothing shortof a new world order.
Joe (33:23):
Indeed it was, and that is the language that was used back
then.
Used back then and with thesemany secret societies that are
out there that are eitherpartially real or partially
fictitious, I'd say with theIlluminati there are actual
historical documents in which itis mentioned.
In recent times the Illuminatihas become synonymous with the
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notion of a shadow government.
It came about during this ageof enlightenment of the 1770s,
synonymous with the notion of ashadow government.
You know, it came about duringthis age of enlightenment of the
1770s, as we mentioned before,because at that time there was a
lot of illumination into theunderstanding of the world and
society and governments and theway they work and the rights of
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mankind and the universe andpeople's place within it
Everyone else's as well.
Well, I guess it was not somuch illuminated.
So now that doesn't seemdifferent from how many select
groups see themselves today.
We hear that kind of languageeven today with how several
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groups describe themselves theIlluminati.
Laurie (34:29):
They're rumored to have been behind the election of
presidents.
Even today, with how severalgroups describe themselves, the
Illuminati.
They're rumored to have beenbehind the election of
presidents, the coronation ofmonarchs and the conclave of
popes, the control ofinternational banks and
international commerce, theassassinations of world leaders,
the starting of wars, thecreation of the United Nations
and, of course, theconsolidation of all global
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markets and governments all thethings that go with the
establishment of a new worldorder.
And it could be that the wholenotion of it is becoming renewed
, or it's being reinvented, ifyou will, as humanity
continually transforms itself inits societal and political
progression, but with the truepurpose, I guess, it's being
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much darker it could be muchdarker, because it's about power
and wealth and, of course,corruption that goes along with
that.
Joe (35:25):
So in an Ohio State University website paper it's
titled the Illuminati Conspiracy, by Nisha Krishnan, dated
February 11, 2019, there are 23%of Americans who believe that
all of the political andeconomic institutions that
includes all of theintellectualism and all of the
progressiveness of the modernera are nothing more than
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machinations of the Illuminati23% almost a fourth of all
Americans and things like theFrench Revolution, the rise of
constitutional republics eventhe abolitionist movement, like
you said already the rise of theUnited Nations and the World
Economic Forum people believethat these are offshoots of the
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Illuminati forum.
People believe that these areoffshoots of the Illuminati, and
obviously there is reallynothing tangible to support that
theory, but it is a prevalentone.
Laurie (36:18):
No, not really, but if they are leading the charge to
change everything about thesociety, if this is the case,
then will this lead to, say, theAntichrist being a leader from
one of these places like the UN,NATO, the World Economic Forum
or the Trilateral Commission?
And will this, being like onesin the past, bring about a new
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world order with a globalgovernment, with a reset of
global currency, like Mr Clauswants?
With a reset of global currencylike Mr Claus wants?
And is this the scheme of theIlluminati and those above them
to put into power as the leaderand slash, or the president of
the human race?
And will he slash she be theone who leads the earth in its
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future fight against thereturning alien gods?
And is he himself anextraterrestrial, the Antichrist
Now?
Was Jesus referring to a newworld order back in his day?
I mean, didn't he teach about anew kingdom on earth, like it
states in the Lord's Prayerright Thy kingdom come, thy will
be done on earth as it is inheaven.
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So is Jesus referring to a newworld order per se?
Joe (37:32):
Yeah, in the scriptures they do have Jesus making
references um to this and tobeing present at the beginning
of time, as is suggested in Luke10: 18, and from that
perspective he tells of thefuture kingdom of heaven as
being prepared and was preparedat the foundation of the world,
as is said in Matthew 25 (37:50):
34.
He says that it awaits hisreturn to the Father and then
his return back to earth to bewith his believers, who will be
with him forever.
This verbiage is just like thatof that being said about a new
world order.
Now consider again thisreptilian manifestation that is
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used in some of the symbolismthat we're talking about Take
the snake, which has been veryprevalent in mythology since the
beginning of our human race.
It is found in mystical,occultic and theosophical
circles and it seems to beassociated with secret cabals,
like something called theBrotherhood of the Snake, a very
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elusive covert group thatappears to be watching us,
leading us and guiding us alongthe way.
And according to WilliamBradley, in the book the Gods of
Eden, he writes that there wereactually two groups of these
kind of brotherhoods that formedbased on the model of much
older groups, and they wereformed in Germany, one in the
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14th century and the other inthe 18th century, and we
mentioned them before.
They were known as theRosicrucians, which means the
Rose of the Cross, and so wehave a snake brotherhood, which
could allude to the reptilianmyth, and a rose brotherhood,
which could be tied to a tallwhite Pleiadean myth, and the
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verbiages of both are actuallyfound throughout the Bible.
Laurie (39:33):
AD Relic of the Gods.
We do mention and we do have astory that surrounds this type
of brotherhood and this cabal.
But you are right, and they aredifficult to trace because they
only appear around every 108years to become active in
society and then they rescindback into seclusion in society,
and then they rescind back intoseclusion.
They even created a fictitiousperson to be the founding father
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of the Rosicrucian movement,obviously because they knew they
would incur the wrath of theVatican, and they called him
Christian.
What was the last name?
They called him Rosincruz orsomething like that.
Joe (40:09):
Christian Rosicruz of Rosicrucians or something like
that.
Yeah, Christian Rosicrucians.
Laurie (40:11):
Rosicrucians.
Yeah, and now you know.
Bradley also dedicates anentire chapter in that book Gods
of Eden I think it was chapterfive to explaining the
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brotherhood of the snake, tohave come from the Babylonian
tradition, in which Enkiliberates humanity from the
control of Enlil, his brother,the disciplinarian god.
And Enki possessed greatknowledge and he wanted human
beings to also possess thatknowledge.
He's like Prometheus, and thisis where we see a crossover with
the biblical text referencingthe serpent in the garden that
tempted Adam and Eve with thefreedom to be like God, which in
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this case is the Anunnaki.
So if this was Enki, he hadgood intentions for his humans,
his human creation At least itseems like he did but he ended
(41:17):
up failing in intent andeventually he became better
known to us as Satan, the devil,the deceiver, the prince of
darkness, etc.
So you know, here we see, it iswith the snake that we find a
connection with theJudeo-Christian doctrine, to the
Mesopotamian tradition and fromthat to the ancient aliens.
Joe (41:33):
Well, you know, in her book titled Ancient Serpent Gods,
Betsy Lewis writes about how theSumerian colonies were
established after the flood andthat the inhabitants were a race
of serpent men called the Nagas.
And this raises the questioncould that be referring to the
Anunnaki?
She claims that according to anancient text called the Dyzan,
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which may be the oldest Sanskrittext on earth, there is mention
of a race of serpent peoplethat descended from the sky and
they taught mankind, which is asimilar theme to the Babylonian
Enuma Elish, and they were alsodescribed as having human faces
but tails like dragons.
Now, Helena Blavatsk.
(42:18):
.
.
remember her?
.
.
.
believed them to be the same asthe seraphim that we find in the
Old Testament and Hebrew Bibleliterature, and she also thought
that this race supposedly livedin large walled cities, just
like the ones we read about fromancient times, such as the ones
like Jericho and Ninevehmentioned in the Bible.
Laurie (42:38):
So maybe their DNA is present in the human genome,
perhaps more so in some thanothers, such as is in a royal
bloodline or a divine bloodline.
Could something like theIlluminati be comprised of
people of a special bloodline ora divine bloodline?
Could something like theIlluminati be comprised of
people of a special bloodline?
I mean, we will never know.
We don't think it's anytimesoon, probably not in our
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lifetimes, that we would findout about this.
However, it may be the realityduring the lives of our
grandchildren orgreat-grandchildren, and maybe
even our children will be ableto witness it.
It would be an incredibleundertaking, considering that
195 countries on earth wouldhave to relinquish their
sovereignty to a singlegovernment with a single
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currency.
Of course, there would have tobe upheavals and conflicts among
the citizens of these countriesand, most likely, civil wars.
The logistics that will have togo into this will be colossal
and phenomenal, and this mostlikely is the reason why no
ordinary person will be able topersuade all of the human race
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and thus enters the Illuminati's, antichrist, the alien or
something alien or something,and so, in reality, we can see
that human history has beenloaded with new world orders and
different agendas that havebeen looming over the horizon.
Joe (43:59):
And is there anything unique about our point in time
in which we live?
Any answer, it seems to be no.
We've always been plagued withproblems and have always had to
face challenges, but what wehave learned is that we do
indeed have an origin, by whichwe have relationship with
something from beyond.
And could it be that thoseagendas are from somewhere
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outside of this earth?
Laurie (44:23):
Well, regardless, it seems that our institutions, or
institutions, tell us thathumanity has a destiny and that
we are being moved forwardtoward it, and is the Illuminati
trying to take us toward ourdestiny as a united race of
people, and that everythingwe're going in the process is
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the growing pains that go alongwith that.
I mean, we just have to waitand see.
Joe (44:52):
Yeah, I mean, if our history has taught us anything,
it's that unity is not easy toachieve, and there are really
only a handful of examples of ithappening at all.
So that will do it for today.
We apologize for all thecoughing and sniffling.
Laurie (45:08):
We're both struggling with the allergies.
Yes, yeah, so anyway we hope wepiqued.
Coughing and sniffling, we'reboth struggling with the
allergies.
Joe (45:11):
Yes, yeah.
So anyway, we hope we piquedyour interest in this subject
and we'll be back again withepisode number 91 in a few weeks
to start off season 10, right,laurie?
Yeah.
Laurie (45:25):
June 5th, I think something like that yeah.
Joe (45:28):
So, until then, everyone, have a safe Memorial Day weekend
, which is coming up and, asalways, stay curious.
Hello everybody, thank you for joining us on Alien Talk
Podcast.
This is the show where wediscuss all things about aliens
and UFOs and, as always, wherewe push the limits of our
understanding.
We are Joe and Laurie, here toseek the truth and find the
facts pertaining to highlydiscussed issues about the
ancient astronaut theory andcontemporary ufology, and we
(00:23):
come to you today at theconclusion of our ninth season
of bringing you informativeshows covering intriguing and
fascinating topics that arecurrently on the front line of
paranormal discussion all overthe internet.
It's hard to believe that itwas three years ago this month
that we started Alien TalkPodcast, and it's hard for me to
wrap my head around this beingour ninth episode again, our
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90th episode, sorry, our 90thepisode, ninth season, 90th
episode.
We began that program back inMay 2021, or late April 2021 and
, without trying to sound cliche, a lot has happened since then.
A lot has changed in the worldjust within the last three years
since we aired that firstepisode.
(01:06):
Am I correct in saying that,Laurie?
Laurie (01:09):
Yeah, without a doubt.
This time three years ago wewere going through the whole
COVID-19 pandemic and we werestill pretty deep into all of
that and we still had the maskmandates and social distancing
things.
And I think that at that timewe were just beginning with the
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vaccinations, I believe.
And it was before the whole warin Ukraine, before the old
Chinese spy balloon thing, theLas Vegas alien sighting.
It was before a lot of the bignews events.
So three years is not a heck ofa lot of time.
But things are happening at amuch faster pace now in the
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world than they ever used to andwe're witnessing the changes
unfold much more quickly nowthan a lot of us ever have
before.
And the last three to fiveyears has had more press and
social media stories than thelast 10 to 15 years or so.
Joe (02:14):
Yeah right.
The amount of information thatis flowing into our brains from
thousands and thousands ofsources is just incessant,
pervasive, constant andall-engrossing.
And it's right at ourfingertips 24-7.
.
.
non-stop.
And the world is changing fast,and that constant availability
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and perpetuality of newscoverage and communications is
actually what helps contributeto that faster pace of change.
It's almost paradoxical in thatthe more information that is
put out there about what ishappening throughout the world
sort of amplifies the impetusfor more things to happen and
become stories to be told andreported.
And of course, with that notioncomes the question of why is
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that?
Are these changes that we seetaking place more rapidly than
ever before?
Are they being controlled bysomething?
Are they part of a higheragenda, a bigger plan?
To put it plainly, is theresomething lurking in the shadows
of all of our political,academic and even religious
institutions?
Is there something like somesort of network or elaborate
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organization that we can't seeon the surface yet is
responsible for steering theworld in the direction it is
going?
Something like a Great Reset ora New World Order?
Laurie (03:31):
Yeah, and the idea of secret societies and secret
governments, for that matter, issomething that has been around
for quite a while.
We've all heard about theIlluminati, of course.
Heard about the Illuminati, ofcourse, which has been thought
to be the sort of mastermindgroup that forms that interwoven
connection like it's a secretconnection of political and
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intellectual think tanks aroundthe globe, and it is kind of
analogous to a spider's web, inwhich events and occurrences in
some places are coordinated withuh, events and occurrences and
others.
And some might refer to thiskind of operational network as
the underpinning of the newworld order, or or else it is
(04:18):
just as um, just a means for theelite leaders of the world to
maintain their power.
Now I think many would agreethat the the real purpose of the
world to maintain their power.
Now I think many would agreethat the real purpose of
something like a shadowgovernment, which has to do with
ruling entities who areobscured from the scenes of
everyday headlines, is to keepcontrol over the masses and to
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gain even more control.
And we recently saw how easilythe government can do this, and
just look at how quickly theCOVID-19 mandates were given all
over the world and how quickly,citizens fell in line with
those orders, all in response tofear of danger and the need for
safety.
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The media, it seems, was amouthpiece for the government
and was clearly an importanttool to spreading any and all
information to the public aboutthe threat of the virus and the
precautions needed to be takenagainst it.
And this has led some tospeculate that there is another
group behind them, a larger,more powerful group of puppet
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masters, if you will, agovernment behind all of the
governments, and some think thatthe Illuminati is that group.
Joe (05:28):
Yeah.
So that raises the question ofif there is such a thing as a
shadow government, who are theplayers who are part of it?
Is it a group of people or isit more of a set of
interrelationships that existsthrough laws, policies and
executive or administrativedirectives from presidents and
monarchs?
We've heard the words deepstate used more and more in the
(05:51):
last few years, and it refers tothose actors in the federal
government who are behind allthe processes of elections,
appointments, confirmations,legislative acts and judicial
motions that we as the publicare informed about, but most of
us do not see what happensbehind the so-called curtains.
In some way, the deep state isthe body of bureaucrats who have
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been employed for a long timewith the government, and is also
a depiction, at the same time,of a network that pervades the
entire body politic of a nation,maybe even goes beyond that.
And could it be that all of ourofficials and all of the
extremely wealthy privateers andcorporate entrepreneurs answer
(06:35):
to this one sort of shadowinstitution, whatever it is and
who or what it is that gives itthat so much power.
Why does it have so much power?
Some would possibly say ahigher authority, and it is a
higher because of the knowledgeexcuse me, the knowledge that it
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possesses and the informationit controls.
Could this entity be a higherauthority, since it has
connections with something thattranscends even the existence of
our human life on earth?
Would it be somethingextraterrestrial or, in the very
least, something that has anextensive understanding of
something extraterrestrial?
Laurie (07:17):
yeah, it certainly could , and there are a lot of the
theorists who have propelledthis idea of a shadow government
into the limelight, so to speak.
David Icke is one of them.
He is a British sportsbroadcaster who has written many
conspiracy books aboutreptilian aliens.
There is also Jim Marrs.
He's an American journalist whodid research in the 1970s on
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the US Army's top secretStargate project.
Of course, there is Alex Jones,who got himself into trouble
with his defamatory position onthe 2012 Sandy Hook shooting.
He believes that there is asecret cabal somewhere that is
functioning as a criminal outfitand bringing about all of the
problems in our society.
And Carol Quigley, who taughtat the Georgetown University,
(08:07):
wrote about a roundtablemovement that was influential in
the outcome of many popularelections throughout the past
150 years, both in the US andalso in Europe of course, about
a shadow government might seem alittle radical and
conspiratorial, but keep in mindthat international ruling
bodies and individuals do indeedexist.
Joe (08:31):
We are familiar with many of them.
Just take the Hungarian-American multi-billionaire,
George Soros.
He made a fortune in hedge fundinvesting and capital
shareholding in many differentcorporations in many different
countries.
Capital shareholding in manydifferent corporations in many
different countries, and he iswell known to have financed many
different progressive activistprograms, some of which have
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brought about big culturalrevolutions in the last few
years.
Could that be something of theworkings of a shadow government
that has the influence to bringchanges to the established
regimes in the world?
Also, considered Klaus Schwab,the German engineer and founder
of the World Economic Forum, andhis agenda is to form a reset
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of our global monetary system.
It is in alliance with peoplelike George Soros.
They want to have a one worldcurrency, one money for
everybody in the world.
They want to have a one worldcurrency, one money for
everybody in the world and, evenworse, they in turn could be
working together with the UnitedNations.
We have evidence that they are.
They're working with thingslike the World Bank and the
(09:36):
World Health Organizations.
It's been in the news in thelast few years, so as to bring
all this about, that they'retalking about with the new world
order and their vision to forma one world government with it,
a one world currency.
Laurie (09:51):
Yeah, well, there is another controversial author and
journalists who claim thatextraterrestrial aliens were
involved with a shadow worldorder, when that was Milton
Cooper.
And that was Milton Cooper.
He was a radio broadcaster fromthe 1980s and 90s who ran a
show from the White Mountains ofArizona called the Hour of the
Time, and in his book titled BOA Pale Horse, he describes the
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doings of the secret worldgovernment and the Illuminati
declaring war against the USA,and he also believed that the
Illuminati and extraterrestrialswere working with the US
government and that it the ETsthat were the ones ruling and
controlling humanity through thesecret societies like those of
(10:36):
the Illuminati.
Joe (10:38):
Well, it makes you wonder who the extraterrestrials are
who Cooper is referring to.
Not only do we hear about theIlluminati but there are also
Freemasons, the Rosicrucians,the Skull and Bone Society.
Not only them, but there's alsoorganized religion.
The Vatican itself is reallylike its own secret society.
(10:58):
Now David Icke has publiclysaid that he believes that they
are these ETs who are behindthese secrets .
What he thinks are behind thesecret societies are reptilians
and that they could bemasquerading behind human skin.
That is something of which I ampretty skeptical.
I'm sure most people are, but Idon't think you need to go to
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such an extreme degree tocomprehend how political,
economic and societal processescan take place in secrecy.
In the United States, this ideagoes all the way back to the
days of the Revolutionary War.
You know where some of thecolonists formed a secret
government.
So, as it began theindependence of the 13 colonies
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from England, we know that therewas a huge Masonic influence on
all of that, and it is duringthat period, the 17th and 18th
centuries that is known as theEnlightenment, that the use of
the word Illuminati comes about,possibly as a code to refer to
a body of thinking for a new age.
That would oppose theestablishment.
One of the parts of theestablishment, of course, would
be the Church.
Laurie (12:08):
Right.
But it goes much further backthan that.
If we throw religion into themix, like Milton Cooper believed
, there may be a connection withIke's belief and Cooper's.
Actually, I mean, we can goaround and around discussing
this, but Ike's belief in thereptilians may be connected to
the ancient alien race known asthe Anunnaki.
(12:29):
I think everybody knows aboutthe Anunnaki now, but not sure
if Milton Cooper believed in theAnunnaki per se or the
reptilians or not.
I don't know.
But if he believed that aliensmanipulated humans through the
establishment of secretsocieties and religions and
governments, then that alienrace that did so I mean most
(12:52):
likely it had to be the anunnakiwell, and that's because you
know our earthly religions, themonotheistic religions.
Joe (12:59):
they all can be traced back to the fertile crescent.
You knowcent.
You know ancient Mesopotamia,modern-day Iraq and the Middle
East, and this is where thethree major religions of Judaism
, Christianity and Islamoriginate.
And the ancient alien theorysuggests that the Anunnaki were
those ETs who came down from theheavens and had a part in
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creating mankind in their image,and it was them who instilled
the laws for our civilizationsto flourish.
Now, many descriptions of theAnunnaki are similar to that of
the reptilians.
Just from the Bible alone, wehave these depictions of God
like that of a dragon or aleviathan, or even the Devil
(13:42):
might have a depiction of adragon or a leviathan, or even
the devil might have a depictionof a dragon or a Leviathan.
We also have the book ofGenesis describing a reptilian
tempting Eve to eat the fruit inthe tree of knowledge, the
serpent.
And even when we talk about themyth about Atlantis, we see
that there's a strong allusionto this concept of a grand
government that is run by eliteswhose arrogant desire and
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strive for power leads to acolossal downfall of what is
supposedly the greatestcivilization ever to exist.
That downfall is likened to theidea of falling out of favor
with the gods, possiblyreptilian gods and, as we've
asked many times, are these gods, the advanced race of
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extraterrestrials who areresponsible for putting us here
in the first place?
This theme, of course, isrepeated in similar ways with
the fall of the Greek Empire andthe Roman Empire and really all
of the mighty civilizationsfrom classical antiquity.
Laurie (14:46):
Yeah.
So I mean, they could very wellbe the same species, and one
thing is for sure, I think myopinion, that is that they are
not the Illuminati.
The Illuminati are the shadowgovernment of humans who are
answering to the higher power ofextraterrestrials.
It's the Galactic Council, orFederation, if you will, that we
discussed last episode.
(15:07):
That is a maybe, of course, butit could be that Ike is right
and that the High Council theyare consulting with are indeed
the Reptilian race, so they'reall connected somehow in the
whole scheme of things, right?
I mean, Illuminati even soundssimilar to Anunnaki, right?
Joe (15:29):
Yeah, it does.
Now could it be that the tallwhite aliens, or a tall whites
as they are commonly referred to, be the ones keeping the peace
or protecting us from beingcompletely enslaved by the
Reptilian slash Anunnaki?
We've referred to this speciesof alien before tall white
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aliens.
They are the Pleiadeans or theNordics we hear much about.
Are they the ones sitting onthis kind of high council and
interceding on our behalf?
Is it that these tall whiteswho are working secretly with
the world governments or the U.
S.
government?
(16:09):
If you think about it, thissounds a lot like the basis for
that whole Valiant Thor story wetalked about just a few weeks
ago, with Liberace coming downfrom the planet Venus so he can
visit the President to air hisconcerns about our nuclear
weapons proliferation president,to air his concerns about our
nuclear weapons proliferation.
Now this narrative is under theguise of the betterment for
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humanity by these benevolentaliens.
But something we need to pointout about Pleiadians or Tall
Whites or Nordics is that whilethey are often perceived and
acclaimed to be benevolent andkind-natured and full of love,
they also believe in some waysto be more indifferent to the
human condition, as SelineShenoy says in a blog about
(16:55):
Nordic aliens on a websitecalled Scanification.
C om.
Perhaps they're more interestedin the maintenance and order of
the galaxy, in a way that'd besimilar to, you know, not being
worried about, like what is,what bad things might be
happening inside of oneparticular house, as long as the
neighborhood on a whole isquiet and peaceful.
(17:16):
And this actually does seem todescribe very well how a higher
authority or a higherorganization, something like the
Illuminati, would see things,by looking at the bigger picture
and not getting into thenitty-gritty small details that
would be considered overall asinsignificant, all the while
remaining distant and etherealfrom these things going on on a
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lower level, looking at thingson a bigger level, thus seeming
rather indifferent to problemsthat we are experiencing as
individuals.
Laurie (17:50):
Yeah right, Well, a secret government would be more
focused on the grand result orthe grand purpose.
You know like I often wonder.
It is believed that GeorgeSoros and the like are against
the US, like we said, and wantto see its destruction.
Now, I never spoke to GeorgeSoros personally about this, but
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we're not that close right.
But there are many claims outthere, some by conspiracy
theorists, probably most of themby conspiracy theorists that
accuse him of financing theseriots.
And these last couple of weekswe've seen the Palestinian
protests on universities in theUS that some news outlets
advised were funded and evenplanned and organized by some
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external source or sources.
Organized by some externalsource or sources, and I
remember watching the newsduring the Antifa riots, you
know, during the whole COVIDthing, and I believe it was
either New York, Minneapolis orChicago maybe, where loads of
bricks were delivered in theheart of downtown areas and
(19:11):
there's no construction going onthere.
But who funded that like, whoordered those bricks to be
placed there?
So the you know, so the rioterscan use them to destroy us
businesses, and I mean destroythem.
They did.
They tore the, these businessesup yeah for sure.
Joe (19:28):
Yeah, I've wondered that as well, laurie.
Um, you know, some of thisstuff is blatantly well, I mean,
I mean that's obvious, but itseems, uh, the strong
correlation, a reasonableassumption that it's controlled
from somewhere else.
It's not a grassroots, as theysay, homegrown activity.
And well, just going back towhat you said about the
(19:51):
Illuminati and the connection towoke, which is the coined term
for the social and politicalideology that pushes for the
rectification of all injusticesand intolerances from the past,
whether they are real orperceived or simply nuanced
within the culture, most of ushave become acquainted with it
(20:11):
in recent years as an embracingof beliefs that have been
labeled in a way to go against,uh, normative values and and has
brought rise to identitypolitics and also a lot of
turmoil, as you, as you, pointedout.
Um, so the, the, the uh wokeismhas its roots that go back
(20:34):
almost 70 years, to somethingknown as the Frankfurt School of
Postmodernism Philosophy thatproposed the concept of critical
theory, and this was put forthin a treatise by Max Forkheimer
and Eric Fromm as a way toexplaining the underlying
assumptions about society thatkeep people from understanding
the truth, which, to them, isbecause of the imbalance in the
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distribution of power and wealth.
It has been modified over timeto reflect the emphasis on
causes of societal and culturalinequities so as to fit certain
movements, such as by calling itcritical race theory or
critical gender theory orcritical education theory.
They're pretty much all thesame idea.
So the question many peoplehave is is this a manifestation
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of shadow institutions that areat work to bring about major
uniform changes throughout theworld?
And if so, then is it beingorchestrated in ways similar to
forming a religious movement inwhich the masses are coerced to
accept something as true becauseit is coming from authoritarian
political and academicstructures?
As such, a way to keep power inthe hands of an elite and
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that's really what it would allbe about is maintaining power to
a few and having the rest ofthe world follow the ruling
class.
Laurie (21:58):
Yeah, I couldn't agree more, Joe.
I mean, they do promote andteach the critical race theory
in schools throughout thecountry, and they dwell on the
past and they look to destroythose who oppose them in their
agenda of cancel culture.
So it does appear strongly thatthere is indeed a hidden agenda
through the social media chain,a behind-the-scenes puppet
(22:22):
masters that are pulling thestrings, and in an article by
Phil Edwards dated back onJanuary 19, 2016, in Voxcom,
titled Nine Questions About theIlluminati you Were Afraid to
Ask, he wrote that, when itcomes to these shadowy cabals,
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the Illuminati should be at thetop of any conspiracy theorist
list, and spoke with a lawprofessor from the University of
Florida who is also the authorof a book called Conspiracy
Theories, secrecy and power inAmerican Culture.
Joe (23:16):
And the author is Mark A Finster, and he stated it's
absurd on its face that you'vegot this sacred group that's
more than 300 years old and theycontinue to see arguments about
its relevance today.
Yeah, and Edwards continued inthat article to provide a little
history on the Illuminati,which originated from Bavaria.
He wrote that it was a secretsociety that only operated on
(23:37):
record for one decade, thatbeing from 1776 to 1785.
It was founded by Adam Weishaup, a German law professor, who
believed in enlightened idealsand promoted these ideals to the
elites of the time.
Now he, that being Weishaup,wanted the Illuminati members to
be educated in reason,philanthropy and other secular
(23:57):
values so that they couldinfluence political decisions
once they were in power.
And it all dwindled from there.
But in this last century or sothe mention of the Illuminati
has increased dramatically,mostly because of all the growth
in the capitalist society likethe US and the influence of
(24:19):
movies and music and books etc.
So it's the allure of thishidden cabal or shadowy society
that has thrust the Illuminatiinto today's limelight even more
, even though really it went offrecord almost 200 years ago or
over 200 years ago.
It is more popular now.
Really it went off recordalmost 200 years ago or over 200
years ago.
It is more popular now thanever was whether it exists, is
(24:40):
and it's really up for debatecorrect.
Laurie (24:43):
Now let's uh examine how the tall whites fit in with
this idea about a secretgovernment.
I mean, they are the ones whoyou know, seem to conform to the
image of guardians, much likethe you know pallidians from the
Pleiades star system.
They also are described as tall, with pale white complexions,
like pasty white, with blondehair.
They are often referred to asthe Nordics due to a
(25:06):
Scandinavian appearance.
There's also a species calledthe Lyrans from the
constellation Lyra, who are alsosupposed to be what you would
call the nice aliens, who wantto give guidance and mentorship
to all humanity as a whole, notas separate nations, the Nordics
.
They do look similar to us andthe stories portray them as
(25:30):
having compassion toward alllife and showing interest in
providing spiritual guidance,and they do appear to match
descriptions of what I guessreligious people would call
angelic beings.
They have human-likeappearances, but they definitely
are not human.
Joe (25:48):
Yeah, and it's also important to know that these
Nordic aliens, they are believedfrom the mythology to be gods.
However, they are not the sameas the Norse pantheon of gods.
The Norse gods like Odin, lokiand Frigg are actually
representations of the Anunnaki,meaning that Odin is another
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form of the Sumerian Anu, justlike the Greek Zeus and the
Babylonian Kutushamish and theEgyptian Amun-Ra.
Loki is a form of the SumerianEnki, just like with the Greek
Hermes and the Babylonian Nabuand the Egyptian Thoth, etc.
Laurie (26:29):
Right.
The Nordics or most likely, thePallidians, are referred to as
star people or children of thestars, or children of the sun,
and are thought to come fromplanets orbiting stars of the
seven sisters, which is withinthe cluster of the Pleiades.
Joe (26:44):
Yeah, and this represents the seven sisters in Greek
mythology, who are the daughtersof Atlas and who Zeus put onto
a bull so as to be protectedagainst Rhino hunter.
And if you look in the sky, thenight sky, you can see.
These constellations areactually pretty close proximity
in the night sky and it hascaught the attention of
stargazers for centuries and itseems that there has always been
(27:07):
an allure to people towards itin a sort of romantic, mystical
way, and there's a creativitythat draws on its beauty and,
you know, on its uniqueness.
Laurie (27:20):
Right, and the Australian Aborigines and the
African Maizai teach that theirancestors came from there.
Now I mean within the NativeAmerican culture.
The importance of the starpeople is a very prevalent
belief about their ancientancestors dwelling in the
heavens and that they had comedown to Earth in the past to
(27:41):
teach them various skills.
They are thought by many tostill come down and help by
providing wisdom andenlightenment and even spiritual
guidance.
Joe (27:52):
Yeah, and many of the tribes, like the Lakota, zuni
and the Hopi, all believe thatthey come from the Pleiades.
They all refer to that samepart of the night sky.
There are also entities calledthe Kachinas that represent
different aspects of theuniverse and the world around us
, such as the sun, the moon, themountains, the wind, etc.
(28:13):
And they are considered to bedivine deities, and this lines
up a lot with other beliefs fromaround the world about those
who dwell in the skies and arethere to help humanity.
Laurie (28:27):
Right, and this is the connection to the Pleiadeans the
type of being who is benevolentand nurturing, that protects
humans, just like in the wayparents protect children.
Joe (28:37):
I think we can even expand that metaphor to say that the
Pleiadeans or the Nordics arethe tall whites who extend
compassion and kindness andmentoring At least we hope so.
Right kindness and mentoring atleast we hope so right.
If the Anunnaki were the oneswho created our species, then
they would be quote-unquote likethe biological parents.
(28:57):
So here we have.
One race of aliens may bebetter at protecting a
vulnerable species than the onewho is actually responsible for
bringing it into existence inthe first place.
Laurie (29:09):
Yeah, that's right.
And just as there are various,you know, sort of tales told of
people being malevolent anddiabolical on one extreme and
peaceful and compassionate onthe other, so too are
extraterrestrials areextraterrestrials.
(29:36):
George Adamski, he's a I thinkhe died in like early 1960s
early 1960s but he was an authorand he was big into the whole
ufology scene back then, back inthose days, and you know he
also believed that the Nordicgods that he spoke to because he
talked about traveling on theirships and everything were also
the Space Brothers, who hereferred to as one day returning
(29:58):
to save us from ourtechnological selves.
Each society of civilization haddifferent languages and
understanding of theseextraterrestrial gods, and let's
take the Dogon people of WestAfrica, for example.
They have an oral traditionthat is highly similar to the
Sumerian creation myth found inthe Enuma Elish, and to them
(30:19):
their gods, called the Nomos,descended to Earth all the way
from the Sirius B star system,and they were referred to as the
monitors and teachers.
And they were referred to asthe monitors and teachers, and
they taught humanity theknowledge of science,
mathematics, writing and art, aswell as special wisdom
comprising of things like magicand sorcery and alchemy and
(30:42):
soothsaying, and this is similarto how the watchers of the Book
of Enoch are depicted withinthe Western literary traditions.
Joe (30:51):
So the question is are the tall white Nordics the ones who
are leading all of ourgovernments?
Are they the ones leading us toa new world order?
We've heard that phrase come upa lot.
I think the late formerPresident George H.
W.
Bush used it probably more thanany other president in our time
(31:11):
, and I believe all of us canrelate to the changes we see
happening within our societies,whether at a local level, a
national level or even a globalone.
We are seeing things occurringthat we've never seen in our
lifetimes.
Really, it seems like the worldis often going crazy, with
everyone being polarized on allthese different issues and with
(31:35):
ideological narratives beingproclaimed and policies being
made, and with some of thepublic statements about things
like existential threats.
So the threats are existentialbecause they shake to the core
the very ideas and beliefs thatwe have about our worldviews.
Laurie (31:54):
I think we can all relate to how we are witnessing
a metamorphosis and how we aregoverned, how we communicate,
how we travel, how we obtaininformation and how we conduct
commerce.
A metamorphosis that many wouldcall a move toward the New World
Order.
And for some this conjures goodthoughts, a progressive thing
(32:17):
that is going to benefit all ofhumanity, and for others this
conjures bad thoughts, atotalitarian thing that is going
to go against the betterment ofthe overall human condition.
What is a perfect utopia forsome is a nightmarish hellscape
(32:40):
for others.
I mean, like you know,Republicans could be happy if
the world goes one way, and youknow, the Democrats will be
happy if the world goes theother, but each other will be
very disappointed in whicheverway it goes.
So it all depends.
But one can say that we arealways on the brink of a new
world order, and we saw it withthe rise of terrorism, and we
(33:03):
saw it with the ending of theCold War and the fall of the
Soviet Union.
We saw it with theestablishment of the United
Nations after World War II andits predecessor, the League of
Nations, after World War I.
So one can even say that thefounding of the United States
back in 1976 was nothing shortof a new world order.
Joe (33:23):
Indeed it was, and that is the language that was used back
then.
Used back then and with thesemany secret societies that are
out there that are eitherpartially real or partially
fictitious, I'd say with theIlluminati there are actual
historical documents in which itis mentioned.
In recent times the Illuminatihas become synonymous with the
(33:47):
notion of a shadow government.
It came about during this ageof enlightenment of the 1770s,
synonymous with the notion of ashadow government.
You know, it came about duringthis age of enlightenment of the
1770s, as we mentioned before,because at that time there was a
lot of illumination into theunderstanding of the world and
society and governments and theway they work and the rights of
(34:08):
mankind and the universe andpeople's place within it
Everyone else's as well.
Well, I guess it was not somuch illuminated.
So now that doesn't seemdifferent from how many select
groups see themselves today.
We hear that kind of languageeven today with how several
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groups describe themselves theIlluminati.
Laurie (34:29):
They're rumored to have been behind the election of
presidents.
Even today, with how severalgroups describe themselves, the
Illuminati.
They're rumored to have beenbehind the election of
presidents, the coronation ofmonarchs and the conclave of
popes, the control ofinternational banks and
international commerce, theassassinations of world leaders,
the starting of wars, thecreation of the United Nations
and, of course, theconsolidation of all global
(34:50):
markets and governments all thethings that go with the
establishment of a new worldorder.
And it could be that the wholenotion of it is becoming renewed
, or it's being reinvented, ifyou will, as humanity
continually transforms itself inits societal and political
progression, but with the truepurpose, I guess, it's being
(35:16):
much darker it could be muchdarker, because it's about power
and wealth and, of course,corruption that goes along with
that.
Joe (35:25):
So in an Ohio State University website paper it's
titled the Illuminati Conspiracy, by Nisha Krishnan, dated
February 11, 2019, there are 23%of Americans who believe that
all of the political andeconomic institutions that
includes all of theintellectualism and all of the
progressiveness of the modernera are nothing more than
(35:48):
machinations of the Illuminati23% almost a fourth of all
Americans and things like theFrench Revolution, the rise of
constitutional republics eventhe abolitionist movement, like
you said already the rise of theUnited Nations and the World
Economic Forum people believethat these are offshoots of the
(36:09):
Illuminati forum.
People believe that these areoffshoots of the Illuminati, and
obviously there is reallynothing tangible to support that
theory, but it is a prevalentone.
Laurie (36:18):
No, not really, but if they are leading the charge to
change everything about thesociety, if this is the case,
then will this lead to, say, theAntichrist being a leader from
one of these places like the UN,NATO, the World Economic Forum
or the Trilateral Commission?
And will this, being like onesin the past, bring about a new
(36:43):
world order with a globalgovernment, with a reset of
global currency, like Mr Clauswants?
With a reset of global currencylike Mr Claus wants?
And is this the scheme of theIlluminati and those above them
to put into power as the leaderand slash, or the president of
the human race?
And will he slash she be theone who leads the earth in its
(37:07):
future fight against thereturning alien gods?
And is he himself anextraterrestrial, the Antichrist
Now?
Was Jesus referring to a newworld order back in his day?
I mean, didn't he teach about anew kingdom on earth, like it
states in the Lord's Prayerright Thy kingdom come, thy will
be done on earth as it is inheaven.
(37:28):
So is Jesus referring to a newworld order per se?
Joe (37:32):
Yeah, in the scriptures they do have Jesus making
references um to this and tobeing present at the beginning
of time, as is suggested in Luke10: 18, and from that
perspective he tells of thefuture kingdom of heaven as
being prepared and was preparedat the foundation of the world,
as is said in Matthew 25 (37:50):
34.
He says that it awaits hisreturn to the Father and then
his return back to earth to bewith his believers, who will be
with him forever.
This verbiage is just like thatof that being said about a new
world order.
Now consider again thisreptilian manifestation that is
(38:11):
used in some of the symbolismthat we're talking about Take
the snake, which has been veryprevalent in mythology since the
beginning of our human race.
It is found in mystical,occultic and theosophical
circles and it seems to beassociated with secret cabals,
like something called theBrotherhood of the Snake, a very
(38:34):
elusive covert group thatappears to be watching us,
leading us and guiding us alongthe way.
And according to WilliamBradley, in the book the Gods of
Eden, he writes that there wereactually two groups of these
kind of brotherhoods that formedbased on the model of much
older groups, and they wereformed in Germany, one in the
(38:55):
14th century and the other inthe 18th century, and we
mentioned them before.
They were known as theRosicrucians, which means the
Rose of the Cross, and so wehave a snake brotherhood, which
could allude to the reptilianmyth, and a rose brotherhood,
which could be tied to a tallwhite Pleiadean myth, and the
(39:16):
verbiages of both are actuallyfound throughout the Bible.
Laurie (39:33):
AD Relic of the Gods.
We do mention and we do have astory that surrounds this type
of brotherhood and this cabal.
But you are right, and they aredifficult to trace because they
only appear around every 108years to become active in
society and then they rescindback into seclusion in society,
and then they rescind back intoseclusion.
They even created a fictitiousperson to be the founding father
(39:55):
of the Rosicrucian movement,obviously because they knew they
would incur the wrath of theVatican, and they called him
Christian.
What was the last name?
They called him Rosincruz orsomething like that.
Joe (40:09):
Christian Rosicruz of Rosicrucians or something like
that.
Yeah, Christian Rosicrucians.
Laurie (40:11):
Rosicrucians.
Yeah, and now you know.
Bradley also dedicates anentire chapter in that book Gods
of Eden I think it was chapterfive to explaining the
(40:33):
brotherhood of the snake, tohave come from the Babylonian
tradition, in which Enkiliberates humanity from the
control of Enlil, his brother,the disciplinarian god.
And Enki possessed greatknowledge and he wanted human
beings to also possess thatknowledge.
He's like Prometheus, and thisis where we see a crossover with
the biblical text referencingthe serpent in the garden that
tempted Adam and Eve with thefreedom to be like God, which in
(40:56):
this case is the Anunnaki.
So if this was Enki, he hadgood intentions for his humans,
his human creation At least itseems like he did but he ended
(41:17):
up failing in intent andeventually he became better
known to us as Satan, the devil,the deceiver, the prince of
darkness, etc.
So you know, here we see, it iswith the snake that we find a
connection with theJudeo-Christian doctrine, to the
Mesopotamian tradition and fromthat to the ancient aliens.
Joe (41:33):
Well, you know, in her book titled Ancient Serpent Gods,
Betsy Lewis writes about how theSumerian colonies were
established after the flood andthat the inhabitants were a race
of serpent men called the Nagas.
And this raises the questioncould that be referring to the
Anunnaki?
She claims that according to anancient text called the Dyzan,
(41:58):
which may be the oldest Sanskrittext on earth, there is mention
of a race of serpent peoplethat descended from the sky and
they taught mankind, which is asimilar theme to the Babylonian
Enuma Elish, and they were alsodescribed as having human faces
but tails like dragons.
Now, Helena Blavatsk.
(42:18):
.
.
remember her?
.
.
.
believed them to be the same asthe seraphim that we find in the
Old Testament and Hebrew Bibleliterature, and she also thought
that this race supposedly livedin large walled cities, just
like the ones we read about fromancient times, such as the ones
like Jericho and Ninevehmentioned in the Bible.
Laurie (42:38):
So maybe their DNA is present in the human genome,
perhaps more so in some thanothers, such as is in a royal
bloodline or a divine bloodline.
Could something like theIlluminati be comprised of
people of a special bloodline ora divine bloodline?
Could something like theIlluminati be comprised of
people of a special bloodline?
I mean, we will never know.
We don't think it's anytimesoon, probably not in our
(42:59):
lifetimes, that we would findout about this.
However, it may be the realityduring the lives of our
grandchildren orgreat-grandchildren, and maybe
even our children will be ableto witness it.
It would be an incredibleundertaking, considering that
195 countries on earth wouldhave to relinquish their
sovereignty to a singlegovernment with a single
(43:21):
currency.
Of course, there would have tobe upheavals and conflicts among
the citizens of these countriesand, most likely, civil wars.
The logistics that will have togo into this will be colossal
and phenomenal, and this mostlikely is the reason why no
ordinary person will be able topersuade all of the human race
(43:42):
and thus enters the Illuminati's, antichrist, the alien or
something alien or something,and so, in reality, we can see
that human history has beenloaded with new world orders and
different agendas that havebeen looming over the horizon.
Joe (43:59):
And is there anything unique about our point in time
in which we live?
Any answer, it seems to be no.
We've always been plagued withproblems and have always had to
face challenges, but what wehave learned is that we do
indeed have an origin, by whichwe have relationship with
something from beyond.
And could it be that thoseagendas are from somewhere
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outside of this earth?
Laurie (44:23):
Well, regardless, it seems that our institutions, or
institutions, tell us thathumanity has a destiny and that
we are being moved forwardtoward it, and is the Illuminati
trying to take us toward ourdestiny as a united race of
people, and that everythingwe're going in the process is
(44:48):
the growing pains that go alongwith that.
I mean, we just have to waitand see.
Joe (44:52):
Yeah, I mean, if our history has taught us anything,
it's that unity is not easy toachieve, and there are really
only a handful of examples of ithappening at all.
So that will do it for today.
We apologize for all thecoughing and sniffling.
Laurie (45:08):
We're both struggling with the allergies.
Yes, yeah, so anyway we hope wepiqued.
Coughing and sniffling, we'reboth struggling with the
allergies.
Joe (45:11):
Yes, yeah.
So anyway, we hope we piquedyour interest in this subject
and we'll be back again withepisode number 91 in a few weeks
to start off season 10, right,laurie?
Yeah.
Laurie (45:25):
June 5th, I think something like that yeah.
Joe (45:28):
So, until then, everyone, have a safe Memorial Day weekend
, which is coming up and, asalways, stay curious.
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