December 8, 2024 ā¢ 46 mins
Could we be at the dawn of a new era of transparency in extraterrestrial matters? As we navigate the intriguing crossroads of politics and UFO disclosure, our conversation extends to the potential implications of the U.S. Space Force on national security and space exploration. We critically examine the previous administration's handling of aerial security threats and the unsettling presence of unidentified drones near military installations, calling for a much-needed increase in government transparency regarding these mysterious occurrences.
Unveiling the layers of media coverage and secrecy, we ask whether a bombshell revelation about unacknowledged special access programs related to extraterrestrial life would truly captivate public attention. With Luis Elizondo's cautious approach to the UFO phenomenon as our guide, we discuss the importance of technical analysis of narratives such as the oft-ignored UFO sightings in Ukraine. The conversation further explores how rational perspectives can help differentiate genuine UFO encounters from misidentified objects, highlighting the broader implications of government secrecy.
Our journey through advanced UAP propulsion concepts takes us to the cutting edge of extraordinary technologies and their potential to revolutionize our understanding of physics. With insights from Bob Lazar and Elizondo, we ponder the possibilities of reverse engineering extraterrestrial crafts and the secretive nature of government research programs. A fascinating encounter at a Tucson conference adds an element of mystery, inviting questions about hidden agendas and unspoken truths. As we close this episode with warm holiday wishes, we stress the importance of staying informed and curious about the hidden dimensions of government oversight and intelligence.
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Joe (00:02):
Hello everybody, thank you for joining us on Alien Talk
Podcast.
This is the show where wediscuss all things about aliens
and UFOs and, as always, we pushthe limits of our understanding
.
Joe Landry and Laurie Olfordhere once again to seek out the
truth and find the factspertaining to the highly
discussed issues aboutextraterrestrial life and the
existence of UFOs.
The two of us are back aftergoing through what many folks
(00:25):
have been dealing with theselast couple of weeks, and that
is colds and sinus congestions.
If you can't tell that, I'mpretty stuffy right now.
Laurie (00:35):
Yeah, I think I'm a little bit more over it than you
, but yeah, we would have hadthis episode out earlier this
week.
But yeah, we lost our voices.
So it's about every three yearsaround the Thanksgiving season
that I get these severeallergies and that leads to
(00:55):
major nasal infections for me,and this year was really bad.
So, yeah, I lost my voice lastweek and over the weekend and I
just got it back beforereturning to work this week.
I had no fever, but I did havea sore throat, ears and lots of
disgusting phlegm.
Joe (01:15):
Yeah, I had a pretty nasty, consistent cough like you, no
fever but congested and phlegmy,just nasty, and it's rare for
me to get sick, so there'ssomething going around, but I
think I'm mostly past it.
So, anyway, it is worthmentioning something.
We can't just pretend to beignorant about it, and while we
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generally avoid politics on thisshow, we also don't live under
a rock.
We must acknowledge thesignificant national election
that just took place here in theUnited States.
This election will lead to amajor shift in policies around
the entire spectrum ofgovernment, affecting all
aspects of our lives.
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Now, President-elect DonaldTrump is going to change a lot
of things and we're going to seethem at all levels, from local
to state to federal government,and those changes, I believe,
will be for the better.
I realize some folks may beupset at hearing this, but there
is little doubt, regardless ofwhat you may think of Donald
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Trump, that he is the mosttransparent public figure in our
culture right now.
During his first administration, he was consistently direct
about many issues, which we knowfrom his daily and sometimes
hourly Tweets.
So if there's ever going tocome a time when there will be
most likely a full disclosurefor the public concerning UFO
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and UAP programs.
I think it will most likely beunder him as president.
Laurie (02:49):
Yeah, let's hope so, and I believe it will too.
And I mean, yeah, his tweets Imean you're speaking facts and
you know his tweets could havebeen, they were annoying at some
times, but I mean he didestablish the Space Force back
in 2019.
And we have to wonder why thatis Like, why does an entirely
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separate military branch carryout by its own mission statement
, securing our interests in andfrom and to space?
Right, like, what does DonaldTrump know about space as part
of our national security?
You've got to ask why.
And the establishment of anentity like this signifies a
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major shift from conventionalleadership within the
military-industrial complex thatwe have seen in the past, and
we have all observed that theoutcomes of a Trump presidency
are unpredictable.
With Elon Musk and VivekRamasamy now potentially at the
helm of the newly disposedDepartment of Government
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Efficiency, I always want to sayit's like government or a
general electric, but fondlyreferred to as the doge, and you
know we can anticipateremarkable changes on the
horizon, hopefully.
And you know, joe, one thingabout the previous
administration, the Bidenadministration that I think a
lot of people can come to agreeon, and that is it did not
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handle the issue of unknownobjects or foreign objects being
in our airspace.
I mean, just take the Chinesespy balloon from almost two
years ago now.
The response to the situationwas it was alarmingly slow.
And I mean that could have beena nuclear bomb that could have
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been dropped from that balloon.
And not only was there a verylong delay but it also seemed
like there was a lack of a fullunderstanding about what was
happening in real time.
And the object traveled all theway across North America before
it was finally shot down overthe Atlantic Ocean.
So it moved from one coast tothe other without the White
(05:08):
House even acknowledging the youknow the potential security
threat there.
Joe (05:12):
Yeah, I agree.
They seem to barely say it waseven up there in the sky.
And then, you know, there werethose two objects that were
tracked in Michigan along theCanadian border, like a week
after the Chinese spy balloonincident, and they were fired
upon by our fighter jets.
We still don't know what thosewere.
It was said that they were ofunknown origin and that they
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were not likely a threat, butnothing more, and the media just
moved on from it and didn'tgive it any more coverage.
Now most people would struggleto remember that these events
even occurred.
There have also been reports of,you know, large drones being
spotted across the country, nearmilitary bases and nuclear
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facilities all over the country,with no clear information about
their purpose or who is flyingthem.
This situation has been ongoingfor years, yet the mainstream
media has remained silent.
In Morris County, new Jersey,these drones have been
repeatedly seen for 10 monthsthis, according to the New York
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Times, dated just this week,December 7th, and many were
recorded on people's cell phones.
Still, there have been no newstories, no significant ones, or
official statements from theFAA regarding the presence of so
many drones.
Some of them have been seen bynear Langley Air Force Base in
Virginia, a very large andhighly visible military
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installation.
There is no comment from thegovernment about what these
drones are, what they're doingand who is behind them, and
these aren't even typicalconsumer drones that you can buy
at Walmart or off of Amazon.
These are the large,military-grade drones and, as of
now, there is no informationavailable about who is operating
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them or why they're in the area.
The FBI and the DHS are lookinginto it, and there's even a
hotline set up, but overall,it's a big mystery, so it may be
a little premature to speculate, but I believe that, as a
society, we will witnessrevelations about covert
programs that we neveranticipated and, with the rise
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of DOGE, some of these programsmight be at a risk of exposure
right.
However, without straying toofar into political opinions, we
should mention that we bothattended a conference focused on
the very topic that we've justbeen discussing now, and that is
unacknowledged special accessprograms, or USAPs, and this
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term is essentially a way ofsaying that only a select few
individuals are aware ofsomething very significant and
they remain silent about it.
Overall, this ties into thelarger issue of UAP disclosure.
So, anyway, the conference thatyou and I attended was at the
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Rialto Theater in Tucson onNovember 3rd and it was
presented by none other thanLuis Elizondo, who most of you
know from his TV appearances onAncient Aliens, the UFO Files,
the Unexplained and others.
He is an Army veteran, a formerprogram manager with the
Department of Defense, as wellas a special agent for
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counterintelligence whose topresponsibilities were the
investigation of unidentifiedanomalous phenomena, and part of
the Pentagon UAP Task Force,now under the name of AIMSOG.
So it was quite an event.
He's an excellent and veryinformative speaker.
Laurie (08:45):
So it was quite an event .
He's an excellent and veryinformative speaker.
Yeah, and the timing of it,right before the election, seems
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to follow a paradigm that hasbeen taking place over the, an
extraterrestrial presence hereon Earth that the government has
always known about.
Luis Elizondo has been a bigproponent of that push to
demystify the US AP or UAPprograms, UFO programs, and one
aspect that he has alwaysimpressed me about him is his
comprehensive understanding ofhow our officials manage and
handle Defense Departmentprograms, and he has a pragmatic
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and efficient approach tomanaging and presenting this
information.
Joe (09:42):
Yeah for sure, and disclosure of UFO and UAP and
what is called non-humanintelligence are covered on a
lot of podcasts, even ones thataren't about aliens, like this
one.
Joe Rogan has had expert gueststo talk about on his show, and
one topic that has stirred upconsiderable attention is the
2023 congressional testimony byDavid Grush.
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Some of you may have heardabout it, but since it occurred
only about 18 months ago, it haslargely been overlooked by the
press and the mainstream media.
This is especially true giventhe extensive coverage of the
past election year and neardaily developments in the
presidential race.
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So, with a constant focus onthe ongoing Trump-Biden-Kamala
Harris saga dominating the news,it's understandable.
Some of you may not be familiarwith Grush's testimony.
Anyway, David Grush is a formerAir Force intelligence officer
and he testified under oathbefore the House Oversight
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Committee last July aboutinformation he obtained from
documents that record therecovery operation of a
spacecraft of non-human origin.
Of non-human origin, and thisreport to which he alluded was
about something that took placeall the way back in 1933.
It laid out the findings fromMussolini's Italy, in which this
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alien spacecraft had beensecretly recovered and taken to
an unknown location, and at theend of World War II.
It was given over to the Allieswith corroboration from the
Vatican and eventually wasbrought to the US.
Laurie (11:29):
Yeah, and to hear that that blew my mind because I
never even heard about thatuntil that evening.
But yeah, Grush, along with RyanGraves, a former Navy pilot,
have claimed that the aerospaceindustry has been collaborating
with the government to reverseengineer unidentified flying
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objects, UFOs.
The discovery of a spacecraft inItaly, which was later handed
over to the US, predates theRoswell incident.
However, it aligns with reportsof earlier US military contact
with extraterrestrials wellbefore the famous 1947 event.
While there is nothing newabout these assertions, if Grush
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is accurate regarding thedocuments he has seen, then this
would represent the only knownrecord of an international UFO
program prior to the Cold Warera.
So, unsurprisingly, theDepartment of Defense denies the
existence of any such documents.
So Luis Elizondo discussed theissues of incompetence and
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deliberate misinformation oftenshared with the public to
prevent disruptions to our wayof life and belief systems, and
he highlighted that thediscovery of the Dead Sea
Scrolls was kept secret for over10 years because, you know,
academic and governmentofficials feared that it would
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challenge traditional religiousbeliefs and cause unrest.
And this raises the perceptionthat, you know, certain
information is selectivelywithheld from the public because
if it were to discover suchinformation, there would be
methods at their disposal tohelp deny away quote-unquote,
its existence.
Joe (13:18):
Well, unfortunately, people's trust in the media and
in government information is atan all-time low right now.
You know I mentioned this manytimes before.
You know the topic of alienlife and alien technology is not
the most bizarre or the mostextraordinary concept out there.
In today's age, the idea ofaliens, I think, sits more
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comfortably with people than thebelief that our traditional
sources of information, oftenreferred to as the legacy media,
are accurate and trustworthy.
Many people feel misled bythese institutions and are
increasingly likely to questionthe information that they
provide.
Laurie (13:55):
Well, when we discussed the possibility of a shadow
government a few months ago, Ibelieve that idea resonates more
with people now, given what wehave learned and observed
regarding the existence of adeep state in our country.
Yeah, I think you're rightabout that.
I mean, not too long ago, thenotion of a secret cabal, a
shadow government and theIlluminati all being at work
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behind the scenes would bechalked up to be mostly being
conspiracy theories of certainindividuals and entities.
And we know about George Sorosand Julian Assange, as well as
the significant impact of thebig tech on politics and the
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control of information.
And it is evident that the deepstate exists and wields
considerable power in shapingour society and the way we
behave within our ideologies.
Now more than ever, peoplebelieve that there are agents
working behind the scenes, andmany of them may not have our
best interests at heart.
Joe (15:02):
You have to wonder just what kind of coverage the media
would give if there was a majorincident that went public
concerning unacknowledgedspecial access programs.
I think they would give verylittle attention to it.
Honestly, if there was an eventin which proof of the existence
of alien life here on Earthfound somewhere in the United
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States or anywhere in the world,if it was disclosed with
irrefutable evidence such thatthere is no doubt in anyone's
mind that it is real, I don'tthink it would get that much
attention.
Indisputable evidence such thatthere is no doubt in anyone's
mind that it is real, I don'tthink it would get that much
attention.
Or it would get some, but itwould be glossed over by other
things.
An event like LeBron James, thebasketball player, maybe going
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to visit Donald Trump inMar-a-Lago I think that would
get more coverage.
Laurie (15:53):
I'm not kidding.
Yeah, you might be right there,joe, and I think if Trump
pushed off that meeting to goand make contact with the alien
leaders, the headlines would bementioning something like Trump
snubs LeBron James to meet witha bigger dignitary on the world
stage.
Yeah, but that's what themainstream media does.
It forms the narratives thatare meant to get people to
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believe what is most important,and since the start of the war,
there have been hundreds of UFOsightings in Ukraine.
It is unclear whether thesesightings are linked to military
operations, but according toSpacecom, dated September 17,
2022, most of these sightingscannot be identified as drones
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or natural phenomena.
However, this topic has notbeen covered by Western press
sources at all.
Joe (16:43):
Yeah, I mean, that kind of stuff seldom makes the news.
Those two nations have been atwar for going on three years.
Like you said, the sightings ofstrange lights in the sky over
Ukraine this happens on almost aweekly basis and they're not
related so much to the militaryoperations.
They have no explanation forwhat these lights are.
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So they know what the dronesare, they know what the missiles
are.
These lights are unknownobjects, so that does not make
the narrative at all, and whenit does, it just gets, you know,
pushed through with maybe aminute of some kind of
commentary and then they move onto other topics.
None of it fits the narrative,and that narrative is that the
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Biden administration iscompletely competent and that
everything in this world is shipshape, no worries.
Now you know one thing aboutLuis Elizondo is that out of all
the ufologists in the publiceye, I think he's probably the
one who refers the least toaliens.
He certainly doesn't rule outthe possibility of their
existence, yet he doesn'timmediately attribute, you know,
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uaps to extraterrestrial beings.
Now, he did make a point atthis conference to mention that
it's essential to consider allof the facts and assessments,
and he elaborated to everyonethat there are over 206 trillion
stars in our observableuniverse.
So, yes, the observableuniverse.
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How large the unobservableuniverse is, we don't have the
foggiest idea.
But when you multiply that 600sextillion by at least another
200 sextillion, you end up withsomething beyond any
comprehension with the number ofstars that exist and the number
of planets that orbit them.
So through deductive reasoning,it becomes clear that to claim
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that we are the only intelligentlife on this planet, in the
universe, is naive on its face.
So Luis Elizondo definitelysupports the belief in life on
other worlds.
Laurie (18:46):
Yeah, and he also mentioned brought up the Drake
equation too, that thegovernment actually has been
looking into that.
The Drake equation, too, thatthe government actually has been
looking into that.
And then he also mentioned thatmuch of the information is kept
from the public because eventhe US government doesn't fully
understand it, and this suggeststhat they are withholding
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information.
And if they don't know, then weshouldn't know either.
So they release bits ofinformation to keep the public
calm and satisfied, because theydon't want that civil unrest,
which gives them time to figurethese things out.
And even if they did figurethem out, I doubt they're going
to present everything to thepublic anyway, but this is part
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of their strategy to protect oursocial fabric and beliefs, and
you know, et cetera.
Joe (19:34):
So I mean, you know, one thing I've always appreciated
about Luis Elizondo is how hedescribes himself as a you know,
quote, unquote nuts and boltskind of guy, and he is primarily
interested in understanding thetechnical aspects of how UAPs
work, specifically what enablesthem to fly and maneuver, as
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well as how they may have comeabout through reverse
engineering.
And he is also very adept atpointing out that not everything
that people think are UFOstruly are.
Sometimes they are merelyairplanes or helicopters or
satellites or birds.
And he admits that there'soften a mistaken perception of
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what we see, and I kind of.
I find that kind ofstraightforward, honest and
rational thinking to be, youknow, refreshing.
I've always been kind of turnedoff by people who say that you
know, the proof of UFOs andaliens is everywhere.
You simply don't open your eyes.
Well, when there isn't proof,we can't assume proof just
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because we want something to betrue.
Laurie (20:43):
Excellent point and he showed how an image that
everyone in the audience thoughtjust had to be a UFO hovering
above the ground in some desertarea had turned out after
computer analysis to be actuallynot a UFO, and it was shown
through photo comparisons andconfined by some other people to
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be nothing more than a largemilitary tent in that vicinity.
So, yeah, I mean we have to becareful in our judgments, Right?
Yeah, I mean we have to becareful in our judgments.
Joe (21:13):
Right Now.
He mentioned that there hadbeen research going on since the
1960s to help our governmentgrasp experts in the government
grasp some of the physics behindthese UAPs and they're outlined
in official reports known asDIRT.
Dirt is a Defense IntelligenceReference Document and some of
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the subjects that he put upthere on his slide on the
projector screen were prettyextraordinary.
They covered subjects thatsound quite otherworldly.
A few of them were negativeenergy for warp bubbles,
geometry of extra dimensions andquantum adjustment for
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propulsion.
Laurie (22:03):
Yeah right, that was like we were attending a science
fiction movie or event orsomething with all these things
that he was mentioning, and allthese entail the idea of
scientists.
You know finding ways todevelop vehicles that are
capable of instantaneousacceleration, thrust victory and
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enhance.
You know maneuverability.
You know all the mechanicalkind of stuff Through
unacknowledged special accessprograms, all the mechanical
kind of stuff Throughunacknowledged special access
programs.
There are numerous unexplainedtechnological marvels currently
being developed, indicating thatthose involved likely possess
the knowledge and capabilitiesnecessary to create them, and
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these advancements includehypersonic speeds and objects
traveling up to 15,000 miles perhour, capable of stopping on a
dime, movements that would befatal for any human pilot.
The government has a keeninterest in the technology,
primarily to achieve dominance,of course, on the battlefield,
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and our objective is not only tosecure superiority in the skies
but also to expand our reachinto space, probably why we have
this space force now, and thisprompts the question of whether
a secret space program exists,and how much information have
they chosen to withhold over theyears, hindering our ability to
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gain a deeper understanding.
Joe (23:33):
Well, he also brought up a concept that we've heard before.
It's the statement that is areference to a public statement
that was given by Bob Lazar.
If you recall, he's thatwhistleblower who said that he
worked in Area 51.
I think he came out and gave astatement in the early 90s and
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he said he had direct knowledgeof the military reverse
engineering alien spacecraft.
Well, elizondo explained thatthe behavior of UAPs,
characterized by theirinstantaneous acceleration and
deceleration, indeed challengesNewtonian laws of motion.
He proposed that the concept ofa warp bubble and this refers
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to a localized area where thespace-time continuum is
distorted and this distortionresults in extremely high and
instant changes in velocity,both increases and decreases.
According to Einstein's theoryof relativity, the greater the
mass of an object, the more itcurves the surrounding space,
leading to a proportionalincrease in gravitational pull.
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Therefore, if UAPs functionlike propulsion units that warp
space, it could account for thisunusual travel and maneuvering
patterns that we see, that seemto defy the laws of physics and
potentially involving aconcentration of quantum gravity
within a specific point inspace.
Laurie (25:03):
Certainly, and researchers are actively
exploring the potential forwarping space-time in localized
regions through the influence ofmass and energy.
And Bob Lazar mentioned thatthe military is developing a
type of engine capable ofbending space, allowing for
incredible speeds andacceleration, and he indicated
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that this is achieved throughthe conversion of a substance
known as the element 115.
And Elizondo also discussedthis concept, noting that there
are two primary methods toachieve space-time warping
applying a significant amount ofenergy and manipulating the
mass.
Joe (25:42):
Yeah, and the concept of creating this bubble within such
a vehicle allow it to becontained so that it would be a
highly localized quantum gravitythat could bend space and make
the move of the vehicle at highvelocity and acceleration,
seemingly, like I said, todisobey the laws of physics.
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And that is because the laws ofclassical physics are indeed
being disobeyed within thatbubble, just as they would
within a singularity, and ofcourse, this would require a lot
of energy to do this, to beable to make this bubble so that
it would bend space and this isrelativity at work, not
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Newtonian mechanics and thelarger the craft, the more
expansive the bubble would needto be.
And likewise you can havemultiple bubbles that could be
interconnected.
And he relates this in insightsregarding the propulsion of
UFOs that have been frequentlyobserved over the last 80 years,
and seems to think that thelights visible on these craft
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are integral to their propulsionunits.
Elizondo highlighted that thevarious sizes and shapes of the
crafts that are typically seen,such as triangular ones
featuring three lights andboomerang-shaped ones that can
reach lengths of up to 200 feet.
They may possess six or morelights.
Laurie (27:06):
Yeah.
So he described about four orfive different basic shapes of
UAPs, which are circles orspheres, disks or cylinders,
which in turn are the engines orthe propulsion drives of the
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spacecraft, which are related tothe appearances of warp bubbles
.
So with a single bubble, the UAPwill appear to be a circle,
like a sphere.
Then if there are two of themcoupled together, it will look
like a disc or a cylinder, andif there are three of them
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joined as one, then you get atriangular-shaped object, and
then, with four, there issomething like a diamond or a
square, and if there are five ormore, the arrangement becomes
like a boomerang-shaped UAP.
Now, obviously, a craft with awhole of these bubbles would be
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like an airplane with multipleengines, and it would be large.
This analogy is consistent withthe reported sightings of
boomerang-shaped UAPs that aredescribed as being extremely
large.
I mean, just take the PhoenixLights incident, hit at about
eight lights, and there werestatements from witnesses who
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claimed that they were part of alarge, a very large object
moving overhead, and it too wasin the shape of a boomerang.
Joe (28:46):
Yeah, and I thought that was a very sensible and logical
way to explain how UAPs areshaped as well as to hypothesize
the way that they are propelled, using principles that are
alternative to what isconventionally understood
through the normal laws ofmotion and the conservation of
momentum and mass.
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And he seemed to suggest thatthese UAPs are very likely of
human origin.
Perhaps there was reverseengineering from something that
was extraterrestrial, possibly,but he seemed to allude to how
our government is working onthese technologies and he really
didn't come across like he wasall too concerned with
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attributing UAPs to aliens.
He wants to understand how theywork and he is quite
comfortable with postulatingthat they are for the most part,
human-made.
And I remember toward the endof the presentation, when he
opened up the forum to questionsfrom the audience, there was
one lady who was somehow fixatedon jinn you know those
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shape-shifting spirits fromIslamic lore We've talked about
them in previous episodes and Iguess she was trying to inquire
if there is a correlationbetween the appearance of these
UAP light formations and gin,and he was not at all interested
in getting into that topic ofspirits and gods with her.
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He wasn't going to have it.
I think that's when hecommented on like, reiterated
that he is a nuts and bolts guyand that everyone you know has
their own religiousinterpretation of things, isn't
entitled to their own beliefs.
Laurie (30:29):
But yeah, he wasn't going to touch that subject with
a 10-foot pole yeah, and Ibelieve you were looking at me
and you're telling me you wantedto know the answer of where are
these things from, like, wheredo they originate from?
But we're like, well, we're notgoing to ask him because he's
obviously, he obviously doesn'tknow that the answer to that
question because, like you said,he's all about the nuts and
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bolts.
But yeah, and that one lady,she seemed like you know she
wanted to give her ownpresentation to him about the
different types of gin.
After that, you know that thereare, and you know, like lady
you're, you're hogging the mic.
Let the next person ask thequestion.
We all pay like 40 bucks tolisten to Luis Elizondo speak
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about only knowledge, specialaccess programs, and you pay
disclosure.
But you know, go ahead and telleverybody in the auditorium all
you know about Jen, right.
Joe (31:23):
Yeah, because we're just dying to hear what you some
person have to say about Jen.
I mean, nobody cares one bit.
Yeah, because we're just dyingto hear what you some person
have to say about Jen.
I mean, nobody cares one bit.
Yeah, so annoying.
But you know, there wassomething else about the
question and answer part thatstruck me as a little odd, and
that is someone was therewalking up to the microphone to
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talk and Elizondo immediatelyrecognized him and he blurted
right out.
I know you, yeah, that wasweird, won't reveal the
individual's name, but it turnsout that he is a former CIA
officer.
Elizondo acknowledged himpublicly as someone who played a
crucial role in the activitiesof AERO, which stands for All
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Domain Anomaly Resolution Office, essentially another name for
the UAP task force.
But this raises the questionwhy was a former CIA member, who
was involved in unacknowledgedspecial access programs,
attending a conference here inTucson that was intended for the
general public, who are usuallyunaware of such things, where
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we're lay people trying to getinformation from an expert like
Luis Elizondo?
And if he really is on theinside, what was the purpose of
his presence at this event?
Why was he there?
Laurie (32:42):
Yeah, I thought that was weird and a little bit strange.
And, yeah, good point.
And you know, while Elizondogave kudos to him in front of
everybody, he also didn't seemall that happy to see him,
almost a little taken aback byit.
I think, you know, the maninquired whether he believed the
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appropriate individuals hadbeen chosen to participate in
Arrow, which succeeded theearlier program, the Advanced
Aerospace Threat IdentificationProgram.
And you know, was this intendedto as some sort of a setup Like
?
Was this person there tomonitor Elizondo and ensure he
didn't, you know, discloseanything he shouldn't?
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I mean, I'm uncertain.
Joe (33:27):
Yeah right, I mean he definitely looked like he wasn't
expecting that.
He seemed surprised.
He kind of handled it well andjust kind of moved along.
But you can tell he just waskind of thrown by that and he
just said, I know you, and kindof paused.
And then the guy just kind ofstood there at the mic and he
kind of just said, well, youknow great to see you, and what
question do you have?
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And then the guy just kind ofstood there at the mic and he
kind of just said, well, youknow great to see you, and what
question do you have.
And then you know he said hewent into that and again, like
what's Luis Elizondo supposed tosay?
He's going to give you know theparty line.
You know, really, I don't thinka lot of those people even asked
very good questions.
Just my opinion.
Of course I did want to go upthere and ask, like you said,
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about the extraterrestrialconnection to this.
What do we know about that,this reverse engineering aspect?
What do we know about aspacecraft?
We're hearing these testimonieson Capitol Hill and
whistleblowers.
I was going to put them on akind of on the spot and say what
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can you tell us at all.
If anything and you know whatthings we call non-Earth or
non-human technologies, whichwe've been working with with
these whistleblowers have beenclaiming more precisely the
question we all want to know arealiens real?
And, like you said, I doubt hewould have given an answer.
I think he would have probablygave me the same response he
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gave to the lady talking aboutgin he's glossed over it and
wouldn't have touched it with a10-foot pole and just would have
simply said you know, we don'thave enough information at this
point to speculate on that andI'm not at liberty to disclose
it.
So I'm interested in what hisresponse would have been if he
was asked that question.
Laurie (35:15):
Yeah, I was kind of disappointed in that because I
was looking forward to maybehearing about where these things
are from and you know, and somemore information about aliens
and which group of aliens arevisiting us.
And that's kind ofdisappointing when I heard him
say that he was a nuts and boltstype of guy.
But I mean, I respect that too,but you know, he just wouldn't
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give, you know, he wouldn't havegiven a direct answer.
And I think someone did ask himabout the existence of the ETs
and he pretty much dodged it.
So that's why we were like,yeah, okay, but you know, during
this time I believe it was thelast person, perhaps the second,
to last inquired aboutElizondo's thoughts on something
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referred to as immaculateconstellation, and Elizondo
promptly interrupted statingokay, you know, stop right there
, I can't proceed any further onthis topic, I cannot discuss
that matter.
And this left us all wonderingand you know, you and I looked
at each other and we're likewhat the heck is immaculate
(36:19):
constellation?
Joe (36:20):
Yeah, that was the first I've ever heard about it.
Yeah, he definitely shut itdown abruptly and it is
difficult to speculate whatexactly it is, since there is
rather little information aboutit.
Elizondo didn't bring it up fordiscussion.
It was an audience member whomentioned it and, just like that
, nothing more was said about it.
So naturally, you and I had toresearch what it was.
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This immaculate I keep wantingto say immaculate conception,
immaculate constellation.
You know what we discovered?
It was rather astonishing.
So you can look it up.
There is a memo random that'son I believe it's the housegov
website and there's an 11-pagememo from US Representative
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Nancy Mace as the same one whowas in the middle of that now
Capitol Hill transgenderbathroom issue.
She also wrote after the DavidGrush disclosure hearing and,
like I said, that PDF of thatreport is available online and
it's loaded with acronyms andit's rather nebulous and cryptic
.
Laurie (37:31):
Right, and I actually believe that's 11 pages.
I think that's out of amulti-year internal
investigation into the subjectsof unidentified anomalous
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phenomena, uap, technologies ofunknown origin, teos and
non-human intelligence, nhis,and this information was
undertaken in response to urgentand credible threats to the
public good and safety of theUnited States of America.
Now, after reading this far, Iwondered well, what the heck?
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And then I read the results ofthis investigation are deeply
disturbing and elements of theUS executive branch have
conspired to prevent the USlegislative branch from
exercising its lawful powers ofgovernance with respect to the
UAP, too and NHI issues.
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Now she goes on to state thatthe executive branch has been
controlling UAP slash NHI issueswithout informing Congress or
obtaining its authorization fordecades, and that this criminal
conspiracy kept the electedgovernment and its citizens
ignorant of profound discoveriesand dire threats originating
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from the existence of UAP, nhiand their technologies.
Joe (39:04):
Right.
So whatever immaculateconstellation is, it sounds like
it's a big deal and it soundslike it's a hot button and it
sounds like it could get somepeople in some hot water.
Whatever it is, it sounds likea big old cover up that a lot of
people on Capitol Hill probablya lot of people and even the
White House don't know about,and they're kind of upset right
(39:26):
now.
So for those of you hearingabout this for the first time,
you know, representative mace uhdescribed immaculate
constellation as an unknownspecial access program.
It was established followingluis alizando's public
disclosure of these two programsum.
They're long acronyms, but itwas back in 2017.
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The acronyms they stand for theAdvanced Aerospace Threat
Identification Program and thenthe Advanced Aerospace Weapon
Systems Application Programs.
Its primary mission is toexamine images and are you there
(40:18):
, joe?
yeah, I am.
Um, what?
What happened, I don't know?
A little glitch there, but uh,we're still on.
So so where was I here?
Yeah, I was just talking aboutyou know.
The primary mission was toexamine imagery intelligence and
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this is Luis Elizondo, his roleof UAPs and things called
reproduction vehicles utilizingtasks and untasked military
intelligence resources.
So Immaculate Constellationacts as a nexus for collecting,
analyzing and disseminatingintelligence on the activities,
capabilities and locations ofanomalous aerospace threats from
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foreign and unidentifiedsources operating around the
globe in sensitive locations.
Operating around the globe insensitive locations.
In one section, it shows thatthe US government is aware not
only of UAPs and TUO, but alsoof foreign state efforts to
replicate them, mostly China andIran and Russia.
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The data within ImmaculateConstellation reveals the
capacity of the US ArmedServices and Military
Intelligence Community to detect, track, identify and engage
anomalous trans and mediumplatforms.
So it's a lot of really superhigh-tech babble there, things
that we haven't heard aboutreally until recent times.
(41:46):
But, like you out before, thissounds like something from star
trek.
Um, so I don't know, immaculateconstellation might just be
another name for a governmentufo research program yeah and um
.
Laurie (41:58):
Yeah, we're sorry about that glitch there earlier, but
you know, um, but absolutely anduh, I'm more convinced than
ever that the government iswaist deep in alien technology
and the reverse engineering ofit.
This document provides detailedand I mean detailed
explanations of various types ofcrafts, including the orbs, the
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disks, the triangles, theboomerangs.
They even have like somethingreferred to as like jellyfish
shapes and, of course, you can'tforget the tic-tac shape, and
all, just like Elizondo said, itcovers everything from their
sizes to their speeds andmaneuverability, and this
document is definitely worthreading.
The 11 pages will definitelypique your curiosity.
Joe (42:43):
Yeah, and it's certainly typical of a DOD kind of report
that you would expect to find.
I think next time maybe we'llget more into the nature of
immaculate constellation as bestwe can in our topic for next
time, which will be aboutsomething called NHI non-human
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intelligence.
It is a bit of an off-puttingphrase.
What do we mean by non-humanintelligence?
Is it alien intelligence?
Not necessarily it could be,but it could also be other
things.
Laurie (43:18):
Well, it is, and we've all heard of it in the way you
know AI artificial intelligence,in which computer software is
capable of perceiving itsenvironment, applied learning
and memory processes to buildcomprehension about it and
executing decisions so as tointeract with it.
Of course, we would like toknow if the government has
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discovered extraterrestrialintelligence and if that is what
is being referred to indocuments like that of the
Immaculate Constellation.
Joe (43:50):
So that will be our topic for next month, in January, as
we start off 2025.
So we want to wish all of you aMerry Christmas and a happy and
joyous holiday season.
Please be safe everyone and beof good cheer.
Let us all enjoy the holidayswith our families and friends.
Laurie (44:10):
Yeah, and also stay engaged.
Check out the information onsome of these issues that we've
talked about here, especiallywith some of these oversight and
intelligence hearings that havebeen taking place on Capitol
Hill, and there is more to ourgovernment than meets the eye,
that is for certain, and manythings are being concealed that
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they don't want us to know about.
So, anyway, have a MerryChristmas and a Happy New Year,
folks.
Joe (44:39):
Yeah, and so with that, remain informed and, like always
stay curious.
Hello everybody, thank you for joining us on Alien Talk
Podcast.
This is the show where wediscuss all things about aliens
and UFOs and, as always, we pushthe limits of our understanding
.
Joe Landry and Laurie Olfordhere once again to seek out the
truth and find the factspertaining to the highly
discussed issues aboutextraterrestrial life and the
existence of UFOs.
The two of us are back aftergoing through what many folks
(00:25):
have been dealing with theselast couple of weeks, and that
is colds and sinus congestions.
If you can't tell that, I'mpretty stuffy right now.
Laurie (00:35):
Yeah, I think I'm a little bit more over it than you
, but yeah, we would have hadthis episode out earlier this
week.
But yeah, we lost our voices.
So it's about every three yearsaround the Thanksgiving season
that I get these severeallergies and that leads to
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major nasal infections for me,and this year was really bad.
So, yeah, I lost my voice lastweek and over the weekend and I
just got it back beforereturning to work this week.
I had no fever, but I did havea sore throat, ears and lots of
disgusting phlegm.
Joe (01:15):
Yeah, I had a pretty nasty, consistent cough like you, no
fever but congested and phlegmy,just nasty, and it's rare for
me to get sick, so there'ssomething going around, but I
think I'm mostly past it.
So, anyway, it is worthmentioning something.
We can't just pretend to beignorant about it, and while we
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generally avoid politics on thisshow, we also don't live under
a rock.
We must acknowledge thesignificant national election
that just took place here in theUnited States.
This election will lead to amajor shift in policies around
the entire spectrum ofgovernment, affecting all
aspects of our lives.
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Now, President-elect DonaldTrump is going to change a lot
of things and we're going to seethem at all levels, from local
to state to federal government,and those changes, I believe,
will be for the better.
I realize some folks may beupset at hearing this, but there
is little doubt, regardless ofwhat you may think of Donald
(02:20):
Trump, that he is the mosttransparent public figure in our
culture right now.
During his first administration, he was consistently direct
about many issues, which we knowfrom his daily and sometimes
hourly Tweets.
So if there's ever going tocome a time when there will be
most likely a full disclosurefor the public concerning UFO
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and UAP programs.
I think it will most likely beunder him as president.
Laurie (02:49):
Yeah, let's hope so, and I believe it will too.
And I mean, yeah, his tweets Imean you're speaking facts and
you know his tweets could havebeen, they were annoying at some
times, but I mean he didestablish the Space Force back
in 2019.
And we have to wonder why thatis Like, why does an entirely
(03:13):
separate military branch carryout by its own mission statement
, securing our interests in andfrom and to space?
Right, like, what does DonaldTrump know about space as part
of our national security?
You've got to ask why.
And the establishment of anentity like this signifies a
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major shift from conventionalleadership within the
military-industrial complex thatwe have seen in the past, and
we have all observed that theoutcomes of a Trump presidency
are unpredictable.
With Elon Musk and VivekRamasamy now potentially at the
helm of the newly disposedDepartment of Government
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Efficiency, I always want to sayit's like government or a
general electric, but fondlyreferred to as the doge, and you
know we can anticipateremarkable changes on the
horizon, hopefully.
And you know, joe, one thingabout the previous
administration, the Bidenadministration that I think a
lot of people can come to agreeon, and that is it did not
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handle the issue of unknownobjects or foreign objects being
in our airspace.
I mean, just take the Chinesespy balloon from almost two
years ago now.
The response to the situationwas it was alarmingly slow.
And I mean that could have beena nuclear bomb that could have
(04:44):
been dropped from that balloon.
And not only was there a verylong delay but it also seemed
like there was a lack of a fullunderstanding about what was
happening in real time.
And the object traveled all theway across North America before
it was finally shot down overthe Atlantic Ocean.
So it moved from one coast tothe other without the White
(05:08):
House even acknowledging the youknow the potential security
threat there.
Joe (05:12):
Yeah, I agree.
They seem to barely say it waseven up there in the sky.
And then, you know, there werethose two objects that were
tracked in Michigan along theCanadian border, like a week
after the Chinese spy balloonincident, and they were fired
upon by our fighter jets.
We still don't know what thosewere.
It was said that they were ofunknown origin and that they
(05:34):
were not likely a threat, butnothing more, and the media just
moved on from it and didn'tgive it any more coverage.
Now most people would struggleto remember that these events
even occurred.
There have also been reports of,you know, large drones being
spotted across the country, nearmilitary bases and nuclear
(05:54):
facilities all over the country,with no clear information about
their purpose or who is flyingthem.
This situation has been ongoingfor years, yet the mainstream
media has remained silent.
In Morris County, new Jersey,these drones have been
repeatedly seen for 10 monthsthis, according to the New York
(06:15):
Times, dated just this week,December 7th, and many were
recorded on people's cell phones.
Still, there have been no newstories, no significant ones, or
official statements from theFAA regarding the presence of so
many drones.
Some of them have been seen bynear Langley Air Force Base in
Virginia, a very large andhighly visible military
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installation.
There is no comment from thegovernment about what these
drones are, what they're doingand who is behind them, and
these aren't even typicalconsumer drones that you can buy
at Walmart or off of Amazon.
These are the large,military-grade drones and, as of
now, there is no informationavailable about who is operating
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them or why they're in the area.
The FBI and the DHS are lookinginto it, and there's even a
hotline set up, but overall,it's a big mystery, so it may be
a little premature to speculate, but I believe that, as a
society, we will witnessrevelations about covert
programs that we neveranticipated and, with the rise
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of DOGE, some of these programsmight be at a risk of exposure
right.
However, without straying toofar into political opinions, we
should mention that we bothattended a conference focused on
the very topic that we've justbeen discussing now, and that is
unacknowledged special accessprograms, or USAPs, and this
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term is essentially a way ofsaying that only a select few
individuals are aware ofsomething very significant and
they remain silent about it.
Overall, this ties into thelarger issue of UAP disclosure.
So, anyway, the conference thatyou and I attended was at the
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Rialto Theater in Tucson onNovember 3rd and it was
presented by none other thanLuis Elizondo, who most of you
know from his TV appearances onAncient Aliens, the UFO Files,
the Unexplained and others.
He is an Army veteran, a formerprogram manager with the
Department of Defense, as wellas a special agent for
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counterintelligence whose topresponsibilities were the
investigation of unidentifiedanomalous phenomena, and part of
the Pentagon UAP Task Force,now under the name of AIMSOG.
So it was quite an event.
He's an excellent and veryinformative speaker.
Laurie (08:45):
So it was quite an event .
He's an excellent and veryinformative speaker.
Yeah, and the timing of it,right before the election, seems
(09:13):
to follow a paradigm that hasbeen taking place over the, an
extraterrestrial presence hereon Earth that the government has
always known about.
Luis Elizondo has been a bigproponent of that push to
demystify the US AP or UAPprograms, UFO programs, and one
aspect that he has alwaysimpressed me about him is his
comprehensive understanding ofhow our officials manage and
handle Defense Departmentprograms, and he has a pragmatic
(09:36):
and efficient approach tomanaging and presenting this
information.
Joe (09:42):
Yeah for sure, and disclosure of UFO and UAP and
what is called non-humanintelligence are covered on a
lot of podcasts, even ones thataren't about aliens, like this
one.
Joe Rogan has had expert gueststo talk about on his show, and
one topic that has stirred upconsiderable attention is the
2023 congressional testimony byDavid Grush.
(10:06):
Some of you may have heardabout it, but since it occurred
only about 18 months ago, it haslargely been overlooked by the
press and the mainstream media.
This is especially true giventhe extensive coverage of the
past election year and neardaily developments in the
presidential race.
(10:27):
So, with a constant focus onthe ongoing Trump-Biden-Kamala
Harris saga dominating the news,it's understandable.
Some of you may not be familiarwith Grush's testimony.
Anyway, David Grush is a formerAir Force intelligence officer
and he testified under oathbefore the House Oversight
(10:49):
Committee last July aboutinformation he obtained from
documents that record therecovery operation of a
spacecraft of non-human origin.
Of non-human origin, and thisreport to which he alluded was
about something that took placeall the way back in 1933.
It laid out the findings fromMussolini's Italy, in which this
(11:14):
alien spacecraft had beensecretly recovered and taken to
an unknown location, and at theend of World War II.
It was given over to the Allieswith corroboration from the
Vatican and eventually wasbrought to the US.
Laurie (11:29):
Yeah, and to hear that that blew my mind because I
never even heard about thatuntil that evening.
But yeah, Grush, along with RyanGraves, a former Navy pilot,
have claimed that the aerospaceindustry has been collaborating
with the government to reverseengineer unidentified flying
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objects, UFOs.
The discovery of a spacecraft inItaly, which was later handed
over to the US, predates theRoswell incident.
However, it aligns with reportsof earlier US military contact
with extraterrestrials wellbefore the famous 1947 event.
While there is nothing newabout these assertions, if Grush
(12:13):
is accurate regarding thedocuments he has seen, then this
would represent the only knownrecord of an international UFO
program prior to the Cold Warera.
So, unsurprisingly, theDepartment of Defense denies the
existence of any such documents.
So Luis Elizondo discussed theissues of incompetence and
(12:36):
deliberate misinformation oftenshared with the public to
prevent disruptions to our wayof life and belief systems, and
he highlighted that thediscovery of the Dead Sea
Scrolls was kept secret for over10 years because, you know,
academic and governmentofficials feared that it would
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challenge traditional religiousbeliefs and cause unrest.
And this raises the perceptionthat, you know, certain
information is selectivelywithheld from the public because
if it were to discover suchinformation, there would be
methods at their disposal tohelp deny away quote-unquote,
its existence.
Joe (13:18):
Well, unfortunately, people's trust in the media and
in government information is atan all-time low right now.
You know I mentioned this manytimes before.
You know the topic of alienlife and alien technology is not
the most bizarre or the mostextraordinary concept out there.
In today's age, the idea ofaliens, I think, sits more
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comfortably with people than thebelief that our traditional
sources of information, oftenreferred to as the legacy media,
are accurate and trustworthy.
Many people feel misled bythese institutions and are
increasingly likely to questionthe information that they
provide.
Laurie (13:55):
Well, when we discussed the possibility of a shadow
government a few months ago, Ibelieve that idea resonates more
with people now, given what wehave learned and observed
regarding the existence of adeep state in our country.
Yeah, I think you're rightabout that.
I mean, not too long ago, thenotion of a secret cabal, a
shadow government and theIlluminati all being at work
(14:18):
behind the scenes would bechalked up to be mostly being
conspiracy theories of certainindividuals and entities.
And we know about George Sorosand Julian Assange, as well as
the significant impact of thebig tech on politics and the
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control of information.
And it is evident that the deepstate exists and wields
considerable power in shapingour society and the way we
behave within our ideologies.
Now more than ever, peoplebelieve that there are agents
working behind the scenes, andmany of them may not have our
best interests at heart.
Joe (15:02):
You have to wonder just what kind of coverage the media
would give if there was a majorincident that went public
concerning unacknowledgedspecial access programs.
I think they would give verylittle attention to it.
Honestly, if there was an eventin which proof of the existence
of alien life here on Earthfound somewhere in the United
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States or anywhere in the world,if it was disclosed with
irrefutable evidence such thatthere is no doubt in anyone's
mind that it is real, I don'tthink it would get that much
attention.
Indisputable evidence such thatthere is no doubt in anyone's
mind that it is real, I don'tthink it would get that much
attention.
Or it would get some, but itwould be glossed over by other
things.
An event like LeBron James, thebasketball player, maybe going
(15:46):
to visit Donald Trump inMar-a-Lago I think that would
get more coverage.
Laurie (15:53):
I'm not kidding.
Yeah, you might be right there,joe, and I think if Trump
pushed off that meeting to goand make contact with the alien
leaders, the headlines would bementioning something like Trump
snubs LeBron James to meet witha bigger dignitary on the world
stage.
Yeah, but that's what themainstream media does.
It forms the narratives thatare meant to get people to
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believe what is most important,and since the start of the war,
there have been hundreds of UFOsightings in Ukraine.
It is unclear whether thesesightings are linked to military
operations, but according toSpacecom, dated September 17,
2022, most of these sightingscannot be identified as drones
(16:37):
or natural phenomena.
However, this topic has notbeen covered by Western press
sources at all.
Joe (16:43):
Yeah, I mean, that kind of stuff seldom makes the news.
Those two nations have been atwar for going on three years.
Like you said, the sightings ofstrange lights in the sky over
Ukraine this happens on almost aweekly basis and they're not
related so much to the militaryoperations.
They have no explanation forwhat these lights are.
(17:06):
So they know what the dronesare, they know what the missiles
are.
These lights are unknownobjects, so that does not make
the narrative at all, and whenit does, it just gets, you know,
pushed through with maybe aminute of some kind of
commentary and then they move onto other topics.
None of it fits the narrative,and that narrative is that the
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Biden administration iscompletely competent and that
everything in this world is shipshape, no worries.
Now you know one thing aboutLuis Elizondo is that out of all
the ufologists in the publiceye, I think he's probably the
one who refers the least toaliens.
He certainly doesn't rule outthe possibility of their
existence, yet he doesn'timmediately attribute, you know,
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uaps to extraterrestrial beings.
Now, he did make a point atthis conference to mention that
it's essential to consider allof the facts and assessments,
and he elaborated to everyonethat there are over 206 trillion
stars in our observableuniverse.
So, yes, the observableuniverse.
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How large the unobservableuniverse is, we don't have the
foggiest idea.
But when you multiply that 600sextillion by at least another
200 sextillion, you end up withsomething beyond any
comprehension with the number ofstars that exist and the number
of planets that orbit them.
So through deductive reasoning,it becomes clear that to claim
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that we are the only intelligentlife on this planet, in the
universe, is naive on its face.
So Luis Elizondo definitelysupports the belief in life on
other worlds.
Laurie (18:46):
Yeah, and he also mentioned brought up the Drake
equation too, that thegovernment actually has been
looking into that.
The Drake equation, too, thatthe government actually has been
looking into that.
And then he also mentioned thatmuch of the information is kept
from the public because eventhe US government doesn't fully
understand it, and this suggeststhat they are withholding
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information.
And if they don't know, then weshouldn't know either.
So they release bits ofinformation to keep the public
calm and satisfied, because theydon't want that civil unrest,
which gives them time to figurethese things out.
And even if they did figurethem out, I doubt they're going
to present everything to thepublic anyway, but this is part
(19:28):
of their strategy to protect oursocial fabric and beliefs, and
you know, et cetera.
Joe (19:34):
So I mean, you know, one thing I've always appreciated
about Luis Elizondo is how hedescribes himself as a you know,
quote, unquote nuts and boltskind of guy, and he is primarily
interested in understanding thetechnical aspects of how UAPs
work, specifically what enablesthem to fly and maneuver, as
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well as how they may have comeabout through reverse
engineering.
And he is also very adept atpointing out that not everything
that people think are UFOstruly are.
Sometimes they are merelyairplanes or helicopters or
satellites or birds.
And he admits that there'soften a mistaken perception of
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what we see, and I kind of.
I find that kind ofstraightforward, honest and
rational thinking to be, youknow, refreshing.
I've always been kind of turnedoff by people who say that you
know, the proof of UFOs andaliens is everywhere.
You simply don't open your eyes.
Well, when there isn't proof,we can't assume proof just
(20:39):
because we want something to betrue.
Laurie (20:43):
Excellent point and he showed how an image that
everyone in the audience thoughtjust had to be a UFO hovering
above the ground in some desertarea had turned out after
computer analysis to be actuallynot a UFO, and it was shown
through photo comparisons andconfined by some other people to
(21:04):
be nothing more than a largemilitary tent in that vicinity.
So, yeah, I mean we have to becareful in our judgments, Right?
Yeah, I mean we have to becareful in our judgments.
Joe (21:13):
Right Now.
He mentioned that there hadbeen research going on since the
1960s to help our governmentgrasp experts in the government
grasp some of the physics behindthese UAPs and they're outlined
in official reports known asDIRT.
Dirt is a Defense IntelligenceReference Document and some of
(21:40):
the subjects that he put upthere on his slide on the
projector screen were prettyextraordinary.
They covered subjects thatsound quite otherworldly.
A few of them were negativeenergy for warp bubbles,
geometry of extra dimensions andquantum adjustment for
(22:03):
propulsion.
Laurie (22:03):
Yeah right, that was like we were attending a science
fiction movie or event orsomething with all these things
that he was mentioning, and allthese entail the idea of
scientists.
You know finding ways todevelop vehicles that are
capable of instantaneousacceleration, thrust victory and
(22:25):
enhance.
You know maneuverability.
You know all the mechanicalkind of stuff Through
unacknowledged special accessprograms, all the mechanical
kind of stuff Throughunacknowledged special access
programs.
There are numerous unexplainedtechnological marvels currently
being developed, indicating thatthose involved likely possess
the knowledge and capabilitiesnecessary to create them, and
(22:47):
these advancements includehypersonic speeds and objects
traveling up to 15,000 miles perhour, capable of stopping on a
dime, movements that would befatal for any human pilot.
The government has a keeninterest in the technology,
primarily to achieve dominance,of course, on the battlefield,
(23:08):
and our objective is not only tosecure superiority in the skies
but also to expand our reachinto space, probably why we have
this space force now, and thisprompts the question of whether
a secret space program exists,and how much information have
they chosen to withhold over theyears, hindering our ability to
(23:31):
gain a deeper understanding.
Joe (23:33):
Well, he also brought up a concept that we've heard before.
It's the statement that is areference to a public statement
that was given by Bob Lazar.
If you recall, he's thatwhistleblower who said that he
worked in Area 51.
I think he came out and gave astatement in the early 90s and
(23:56):
he said he had direct knowledgeof the military reverse
engineering alien spacecraft.
Well, elizondo explained thatthe behavior of UAPs,
characterized by theirinstantaneous acceleration and
deceleration, indeed challengesNewtonian laws of motion.
He proposed that the concept ofa warp bubble and this refers
(24:20):
to a localized area where thespace-time continuum is
distorted and this distortionresults in extremely high and
instant changes in velocity,both increases and decreases.
According to Einstein's theoryof relativity, the greater the
mass of an object, the more itcurves the surrounding space,
leading to a proportionalincrease in gravitational pull.
(24:42):
Therefore, if UAPs functionlike propulsion units that warp
space, it could account for thisunusual travel and maneuvering
patterns that we see, that seemto defy the laws of physics and
potentially involving aconcentration of quantum gravity
within a specific point inspace.
Laurie (25:03):
Certainly, and researchers are actively
exploring the potential forwarping space-time in localized
regions through the influence ofmass and energy.
And Bob Lazar mentioned thatthe military is developing a
type of engine capable ofbending space, allowing for
incredible speeds andacceleration, and he indicated
(25:24):
that this is achieved throughthe conversion of a substance
known as the element 115.
And Elizondo also discussedthis concept, noting that there
are two primary methods toachieve space-time warping
applying a significant amount ofenergy and manipulating the
mass.
Joe (25:42):
Yeah, and the concept of creating this bubble within such
a vehicle allow it to becontained so that it would be a
highly localized quantum gravitythat could bend space and make
the move of the vehicle at highvelocity and acceleration,
seemingly, like I said, todisobey the laws of physics.
(26:03):
And that is because the laws ofclassical physics are indeed
being disobeyed within thatbubble, just as they would
within a singularity, and ofcourse, this would require a lot
of energy to do this, to beable to make this bubble so that
it would bend space and this isrelativity at work, not
(26:23):
Newtonian mechanics and thelarger the craft, the more
expansive the bubble would needto be.
And likewise you can havemultiple bubbles that could be
interconnected.
And he relates this in insightsregarding the propulsion of
UFOs that have been frequentlyobserved over the last 80 years,
and seems to think that thelights visible on these craft
(26:46):
are integral to their propulsionunits.
Elizondo highlighted that thevarious sizes and shapes of the
crafts that are typically seen,such as triangular ones
featuring three lights andboomerang-shaped ones that can
reach lengths of up to 200 feet.
They may possess six or morelights.
Laurie (27:06):
Yeah.
So he described about four orfive different basic shapes of
UAPs, which are circles orspheres, disks or cylinders,
which in turn are the engines orthe propulsion drives of the
(27:31):
spacecraft, which are related tothe appearances of warp bubbles
.
So with a single bubble, the UAPwill appear to be a circle,
like a sphere.
Then if there are two of themcoupled together, it will look
like a disc or a cylinder, andif there are three of them
(27:52):
joined as one, then you get atriangular-shaped object, and
then, with four, there issomething like a diamond or a
square, and if there are five ormore, the arrangement becomes
like a boomerang-shaped UAP.
Now, obviously, a craft with awhole of these bubbles would be
(28:15):
like an airplane with multipleengines, and it would be large.
This analogy is consistent withthe reported sightings of
boomerang-shaped UAPs that aredescribed as being extremely
large.
I mean, just take the PhoenixLights incident, hit at about
eight lights, and there werestatements from witnesses who
(28:37):
claimed that they were part of alarge, a very large object
moving overhead, and it too wasin the shape of a boomerang.
Joe (28:46):
Yeah, and I thought that was a very sensible and logical
way to explain how UAPs areshaped as well as to hypothesize
the way that they are propelled, using principles that are
alternative to what isconventionally understood
through the normal laws ofmotion and the conservation of
momentum and mass.
(29:07):
And he seemed to suggest thatthese UAPs are very likely of
human origin.
Perhaps there was reverseengineering from something that
was extraterrestrial, possibly,but he seemed to allude to how
our government is working onthese technologies and he really
didn't come across like he wasall too concerned with
(29:30):
attributing UAPs to aliens.
He wants to understand how theywork and he is quite
comfortable with postulatingthat they are for the most part,
human-made.
And I remember toward the endof the presentation, when he
opened up the forum to questionsfrom the audience, there was
one lady who was somehow fixatedon jinn you know those
(29:54):
shape-shifting spirits fromIslamic lore We've talked about
them in previous episodes and Iguess she was trying to inquire
if there is a correlationbetween the appearance of these
UAP light formations and gin,and he was not at all interested
in getting into that topic ofspirits and gods with her.
(30:14):
He wasn't going to have it.
I think that's when hecommented on like, reiterated
that he is a nuts and bolts guyand that everyone you know has
their own religiousinterpretation of things, isn't
entitled to their own beliefs.
Laurie (30:29):
But yeah, he wasn't going to touch that subject with
a 10-foot pole yeah, and Ibelieve you were looking at me
and you're telling me you wantedto know the answer of where are
these things from, like, wheredo they originate from?
But we're like, well, we're notgoing to ask him because he's
obviously, he obviously doesn'tknow that the answer to that
question because, like you said,he's all about the nuts and
(30:50):
bolts.
But yeah, and that one lady,she seemed like you know she
wanted to give her ownpresentation to him about the
different types of gin.
After that, you know that thereare, and you know, like lady
you're, you're hogging the mic.
Let the next person ask thequestion.
We all pay like 40 bucks tolisten to Luis Elizondo speak
(31:13):
about only knowledge, specialaccess programs, and you pay
disclosure.
But you know, go ahead and telleverybody in the auditorium all
you know about Jen, right.
Joe (31:23):
Yeah, because we're just dying to hear what you some
person have to say about Jen.
I mean, nobody cares one bit.
Yeah, because we're just dyingto hear what you some person
have to say about Jen.
I mean, nobody cares one bit.
Yeah, so annoying.
But you know, there wassomething else about the
question and answer part thatstruck me as a little odd, and
that is someone was therewalking up to the microphone to
(31:45):
talk and Elizondo immediatelyrecognized him and he blurted
right out.
I know you, yeah, that wasweird, won't reveal the
individual's name, but it turnsout that he is a former CIA
officer.
Elizondo acknowledged himpublicly as someone who played a
crucial role in the activitiesof AERO, which stands for All
(32:07):
Domain Anomaly Resolution Office, essentially another name for
the UAP task force.
But this raises the questionwhy was a former CIA member, who
was involved in unacknowledgedspecial access programs,
attending a conference here inTucson that was intended for the
general public, who are usuallyunaware of such things, where
(32:30):
we're lay people trying to getinformation from an expert like
Luis Elizondo?
And if he really is on theinside, what was the purpose of
his presence at this event?
Why was he there?
Laurie (32:42):
Yeah, I thought that was weird and a little bit strange.
And, yeah, good point.
And you know, while Elizondogave kudos to him in front of
everybody, he also didn't seemall that happy to see him,
almost a little taken aback byit.
I think, you know, the maninquired whether he believed the
(33:03):
appropriate individuals hadbeen chosen to participate in
Arrow, which succeeded theearlier program, the Advanced
Aerospace Threat IdentificationProgram.
And you know, was this intendedto as some sort of a setup Like
?
Was this person there tomonitor Elizondo and ensure he
didn't, you know, discloseanything he shouldn't?
(33:24):
I mean, I'm uncertain.
Joe (33:27):
Yeah right, I mean he definitely looked like he wasn't
expecting that.
He seemed surprised.
He kind of handled it well andjust kind of moved along.
But you can tell he just waskind of thrown by that and he
just said, I know you, and kindof paused.
And then the guy just kind ofstood there at the mic and he
kind of just said, well, youknow great to see you, and what
question do you have?
(33:47):
And then the guy just kind ofstood there at the mic and he
kind of just said, well, youknow great to see you, and what
question do you have.
And then you know he said hewent into that and again, like
what's Luis Elizondo supposed tosay?
He's going to give you know theparty line.
You know, really, I don't thinka lot of those people even asked
very good questions.
Just my opinion.
Of course I did want to go upthere and ask, like you said,
(34:09):
about the extraterrestrialconnection to this.
What do we know about that,this reverse engineering aspect?
What do we know about aspacecraft?
We're hearing these testimonieson Capitol Hill and
whistleblowers.
I was going to put them on akind of on the spot and say what
(34:30):
can you tell us at all.
If anything and you know whatthings we call non-Earth or
non-human technologies, whichwe've been working with with
these whistleblowers have beenclaiming more precisely the
question we all want to know arealiens real?
And, like you said, I doubt hewould have given an answer.
I think he would have probablygave me the same response he
(34:53):
gave to the lady talking aboutgin he's glossed over it and
wouldn't have touched it with a10-foot pole and just would have
simply said you know, we don'thave enough information at this
point to speculate on that andI'm not at liberty to disclose
it.
So I'm interested in what hisresponse would have been if he
was asked that question.
Laurie (35:15):
Yeah, I was kind of disappointed in that because I
was looking forward to maybehearing about where these things
are from and you know, and somemore information about aliens
and which group of aliens arevisiting us.
And that's kind ofdisappointing when I heard him
say that he was a nuts and boltstype of guy.
But I mean, I respect that too,but you know, he just wouldn't
(35:36):
give, you know, he wouldn't havegiven a direct answer.
And I think someone did ask himabout the existence of the ETs
and he pretty much dodged it.
So that's why we were like,yeah, okay, but you know, during
this time I believe it was thelast person, perhaps the second,
to last inquired aboutElizondo's thoughts on something
(35:57):
referred to as immaculateconstellation, and Elizondo
promptly interrupted statingokay, you know, stop right there
, I can't proceed any further onthis topic, I cannot discuss
that matter.
And this left us all wonderingand you know, you and I looked
at each other and we're likewhat the heck is immaculate
(36:19):
constellation?
Joe (36:20):
Yeah, that was the first I've ever heard about it.
Yeah, he definitely shut itdown abruptly and it is
difficult to speculate whatexactly it is, since there is
rather little information aboutit.
Elizondo didn't bring it up fordiscussion.
It was an audience member whomentioned it and, just like that
, nothing more was said about it.
So naturally, you and I had toresearch what it was.
(36:44):
This immaculate I keep wantingto say immaculate conception,
immaculate constellation.
You know what we discovered?
It was rather astonishing.
So you can look it up.
There is a memo random that'son I believe it's the housegov
website and there's an 11-pagememo from US Representative
(37:10):
Nancy Mace as the same one whowas in the middle of that now
Capitol Hill transgenderbathroom issue.
She also wrote after the DavidGrush disclosure hearing and,
like I said, that PDF of thatreport is available online and
it's loaded with acronyms andit's rather nebulous and cryptic
.
Laurie (37:31):
Right, and I actually believe that's 11 pages.
I think that's out of amulti-year internal
investigation into the subjectsof unidentified anomalous
(37:51):
phenomena, uap, technologies ofunknown origin, teos and
non-human intelligence, nhis,and this information was
undertaken in response to urgentand credible threats to the
public good and safety of theUnited States of America.
Now, after reading this far, Iwondered well, what the heck?
(38:13):
And then I read the results ofthis investigation are deeply
disturbing and elements of theUS executive branch have
conspired to prevent the USlegislative branch from
exercising its lawful powers ofgovernance with respect to the
UAP, too and NHI issues.
(38:34):
Now she goes on to state thatthe executive branch has been
controlling UAP slash NHI issueswithout informing Congress or
obtaining its authorization fordecades, and that this criminal
conspiracy kept the electedgovernment and its citizens
ignorant of profound discoveriesand dire threats originating
(38:58):
from the existence of UAP, nhiand their technologies.
Joe (39:04):
Right.
So whatever immaculateconstellation is, it sounds like
it's a big deal and it soundslike it's a hot button and it
sounds like it could get somepeople in some hot water.
Whatever it is, it sounds likea big old cover up that a lot of
people on Capitol Hill probablya lot of people and even the
White House don't know about,and they're kind of upset right
(39:26):
now.
So for those of you hearingabout this for the first time,
you know, representative mace uhdescribed immaculate
constellation as an unknownspecial access program.
It was established followingluis alizando's public
disclosure of these two programsum.
They're long acronyms, but itwas back in 2017.
(39:49):
The acronyms they stand for theAdvanced Aerospace Threat
Identification Program and thenthe Advanced Aerospace Weapon
Systems Application Programs.
Its primary mission is toexamine images and are you there
(40:18):
, joe?
yeah, I am.
Um, what?
What happened, I don't know?
A little glitch there, but uh,we're still on.
So so where was I here?
Yeah, I was just talking aboutyou know.
The primary mission was toexamine imagery intelligence and
(40:39):
this is Luis Elizondo, his roleof UAPs and things called
reproduction vehicles utilizingtasks and untasked military
intelligence resources.
So Immaculate Constellationacts as a nexus for collecting,
analyzing and disseminatingintelligence on the activities,
capabilities and locations ofanomalous aerospace threats from
(41:01):
foreign and unidentifiedsources operating around the
globe in sensitive locations.
Operating around the globe insensitive locations.
In one section, it shows thatthe US government is aware not
only of UAPs and TUO, but alsoof foreign state efforts to
replicate them, mostly China andIran and Russia.
(41:22):
The data within ImmaculateConstellation reveals the
capacity of the US ArmedServices and Military
Intelligence Community to detect, track, identify and engage
anomalous trans and mediumplatforms.
So it's a lot of really superhigh-tech babble there, things
that we haven't heard aboutreally until recent times.
(41:46):
But, like you out before, thissounds like something from star
trek.
Um, so I don't know, immaculateconstellation might just be
another name for a governmentufo research program yeah and um
.
Laurie (41:58):
Yeah, we're sorry about that glitch there earlier, but
you know, um, but absolutely anduh, I'm more convinced than
ever that the government iswaist deep in alien technology
and the reverse engineering ofit.
This document provides detailedand I mean detailed
explanations of various types ofcrafts, including the orbs, the
(42:19):
disks, the triangles, theboomerangs.
They even have like somethingreferred to as like jellyfish
shapes and, of course, you can'tforget the tic-tac shape, and
all, just like Elizondo said, itcovers everything from their
sizes to their speeds andmaneuverability, and this
document is definitely worthreading.
The 11 pages will definitelypique your curiosity.
Joe (42:43):
Yeah, and it's certainly typical of a DOD kind of report
that you would expect to find.
I think next time maybe we'llget more into the nature of
immaculate constellation as bestwe can in our topic for next
time, which will be aboutsomething called NHI non-human
(43:04):
intelligence.
It is a bit of an off-puttingphrase.
What do we mean by non-humanintelligence?
Is it alien intelligence?
Not necessarily it could be,but it could also be other
things.
Laurie (43:18):
Well, it is, and we've all heard of it in the way you
know AI artificial intelligence,in which computer software is
capable of perceiving itsenvironment, applied learning
and memory processes to buildcomprehension about it and
executing decisions so as tointeract with it.
Of course, we would like toknow if the government has
(43:43):
discovered extraterrestrialintelligence and if that is what
is being referred to indocuments like that of the
Immaculate Constellation.
Joe (43:50):
So that will be our topic for next month, in January, as
we start off 2025.
So we want to wish all of you aMerry Christmas and a happy and
joyous holiday season.
Please be safe everyone and beof good cheer.
Let us all enjoy the holidayswith our families and friends.
Laurie (44:10):
Yeah, and also stay engaged.
Check out the information onsome of these issues that we've
talked about here, especiallywith some of these oversight and
intelligence hearings that havebeen taking place on Capitol
Hill, and there is more to ourgovernment than meets the eye,
that is for certain, and manythings are being concealed that
(44:32):
they don't want us to know about.
So, anyway, have a MerryChristmas and a Happy New Year,
folks.
Joe (44:39):
Yeah, and so with that, remain informed and, like always
stay curious.
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