Immaculate Constellation for Dummies

The veil of secrecy has been lifted on one of the government's most classified UAP research programs. Welcome to our deep dive into the "Immaculate Constellation" – a shadowy, unacknowledged special access program that's been studying and attempting to reverse engineer non-human technology right under congressional noses.

This episode unpacks the explosive 12-page document entered into congressional record during the 2024 hearings, revealing a coordinated effort within the Pentagon to collect data on UAPs without proper oversight. We examine the document's six sections, from information collection methods to the classification of different craft types, including spheres, discs, triangles, and the particularly unsettling "irregular organic" objects that cause physical and psychological effects on witnesses.

The most compelling aspects of this revelation are the detailed military encounters. Flight deck personnel report mysterious spherical objects that emit light without illumination and have surfaces "roiling like the sun," while fighter pilots describe being "boxed in" by formations of metallic orbs that forced them out of mission areas. These aren't fringe accounts – they're officially documented incidents that the government has been quietly studying for decades.

What makes this particularly significant is the global dimension. The document confirms that nations worldwide are experiencing similar phenomena, primarily around military installations and sensitive research facilities. Each country has its own secret programs studying these objects while simultaneously managing public perception of the issue – raising profound questions about transparency in our democratic systems.

Whether you're a longtime follower of UAP developments or just curious about what our government really knows, this episode provides clarity on one of the most significant document leaks in recent history. The truth isn't just out there – it's being documented, classified, and studied by programs that officially "don't exist."

Subscribe now and join us next week for our exploration of historical UFO sky battles that have been documented throughout human history. The phenomenon isn't new – it's just finally coming to light.

**This episode was recorded early 2025. The anonymous person who was responsible for whistleblowing the Immaculate Constellation document has since come forward. You can watch part one of the three part interview on Jeremy Corbell's youtube channel or listen on his and George Knapp's podcast called Weaponized**

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Episode Transcript

Josh (00:03):
Aliens Aliens, yes.

Travis (00:09):
But maybe no.
Welcome to the show.
Aliens, yes, but maybe no, withJosh and Travis.
I'm Travis, I'm Josh.
This is an otherworldly podcast, as ambiguous as our title.

(00:32):
Now I gotta say right from thejump, we just downloaded the
song to our soundboard and so wegotta hear this song in real
time, and I am so pumped for it.
I love our theme song so muchI'm gonna make it my ringtone
I've listened to over 100 timesbecause I'm pretty excited about
it.
Yeah, it rules yeah so pleasedwith it.

Josh (00:53):
That was jordan jeez.

Travis (00:54):
That was my wife there's nothing that she can't do she
also made our cover art andshe's our researcher yeah, she's
actually a ventriloquist andshe's actually doing this
podcast downstairs and all we'redoing is moving our mouths, but
because it's an audio podcast,you don't get to see it.
So this is Jordan.
She's just doing our voices too.
Josh and I just show uptogether.
It gives us an opportunity todrink and then just flap our
mouths around.

Josh (01:15):
I mean it works for me, I enjoy it.

Travis (01:17):
Yeah, you do.

Josh (01:21):
I don't know if I would have the time or patience to put
our dossiers together and dothe research.
So I don't think this podcastwould exist without her.
So we've kind of been doing a Idon't know, it's like a
three-part series, mini series.
We did the congressionalhearings, we did kind of a quick
recap of the first one and thenwe did the second one, the same

(01:44):
episode, and then we didanother episode of the third one
, the one that happened in 2024.
Yeah, in that 2024 hearingthere was something called the
Immaculate Consolation.

Travis (01:56):
Something dropped yeah.

Josh (01:57):
Something dropped.
It's pretty crazy.
I was banned from learninganything about it until I got
this dossier, and it's prettycool.
There's a lot of crazy thingsin it, especially since it's now
in the congressional books.
This is all.
It's nothing.
I haven't heard before.

Travis (02:16):
but knowing that We've talked a lot about almost
everything that's within thisbit of information.
Saying bit is doing a lot ofheavy lifting, but we've talked
about bits and pieces of thisthroughout the course of the
podcast so far.
So within this document theytalk about the different types
of craft that have been spottedand the way they move and how
quickly or how slowly andmethodically they move through

(02:39):
the atmosphere yeah, if you'vewatched ancient aliens
thoroughly, you've heard all thestuff.

Josh (02:42):
If you watch ancient aliens in its entirety, you've
watched Ancient Aliensthoroughly, you've heard all the
stuff.

Travis (02:45):
If you've watched Ancient Aliens in its entirety.
You've heard most of the thingswe talked about on this podcast
.

Josh (02:50):
That's true, but this report was written by an
anonymous Department of Defenseemployee, which is really
interesting.
But it was after years ofinvestigating unidentified
anomalous, so it used to beaerial.
But they're like oh, it's notjust in the air Unidentified
anomalous phenomena or UAP,mysterious technologies and

(03:11):
potential non-human intelligence.
So this report, this document.
That phrasing itself I think isvery interesting.
The report approved for releaseby the State Department was
added to congressional record inthe November 2024 hearing led
by Representative Nancy Mace,called UAP Exposing the Truth.

(03:31):
This report that was given tothem as a 12-page report claims
there's a secret program namedthe Immaculate Consolation that
has been studying UAPs in secret, but the Pentagon denies it
exists and they even had aspokesperson say there's no
record of this program.

Travis (03:50):
And that person is the person that said there's no
record of this.
Said this in a congressionalhearing, essentially perjuring
in themselves, and this personshould be tried, but nothing has
been done.

Josh (04:02):
I'm just blown away that the Pentagon can do all this
stuff, have all these secretblack ops organizations inside
the Pentagon that no one hasaccess to, not even auditors.
It just it blows me away.
They're just.
They have just a license tokill and no questions asked.
And they, it seems as thoughthey're just kind of like
laughing at Congress.

Travis (04:21):
It's because the military has gone unchecked for
so long and we keep giving themmoney in the vein of well, this
is protecting our nationalinterests.

Josh (04:30):
Not a lot of money, right.

Travis (04:32):
Just like you know whatever you got lying around.
Yeah, Congress is just diggingthrough their couch cushions and
holding bake sales, you know,to raise money for the military.
Yeah, so it's not a lot ofmoney, but that money is going
to the military.
I mean, we're talking trillionsof dollars.
It's mind boggling.

Josh (04:48):
It's hard for me to comprehend billions of dollars.
Yeah, I don't even want to tryto even think about trillions.
It is.
It really is so thisspokesperson?
I didn't know so.
Is there other congressionalhearings going on other than
these three?

Travis (05:06):
During this congressional hearing, and he
didn't name names, so I don'tremember if this person was in
some of these othercongressional hearings that we
had watched, or maybe somethingthat we didn't, but he had said
that there's no and they havedocumentation from like 1991.
That's what a huge chunk of thisImmaculate Constellation
information is derived from isfrom 1991 to now this person
said the government has noinvolvement and does not agree

(05:29):
that there are non-humantechnology here on earth, that
anything that we're seeing isprobably created by something
here I would say the same thingif I had non-human technology.

Josh (05:38):
I would like no, that doesn't exist, silly I maybe, I
don't know.
I mean if the fact that we cansay that we wouldn't do that or
would do, that it's kind of Likeno, that doesn't exist.

Travis (05:44):
Silly, Maybe, I don't know.
I mean, if the fact that we cansay that we wouldn't do that or
would do that it's kind of like, well, if I won a billion
dollars, I would be very smartabout it.
You know, nobody can reallyknow until you get that billion
dollars, but then you talk topeople or you hear about people
that have won the lottery and itlike absolutely destroyed their
life.

Josh (06:00):
Yeah, I always said that if I want a ridiculous amount of
money, I would not touch it fora year.
That would be, so hard.
But I know I would not do thatI would get a new car.
I would.
I mean I would, it would startslow, you would say like well.

Travis (06:14):
I'm just going to pay off my medical bills.

Josh (06:16):
Yeah.

Travis (06:16):
I'm going to buy my house outright, so I own that
and I don't have to pay amortgage, and yeah, I'll just
put the rest and it'll just belike walking around money and
then suddenly all of your teethare gold and you're walking on
stilts and you get all this likeweird ass stuff and you're like
, oh, it's all practical.

Josh (06:31):
I mean the size of your house and your front yard.

Travis (06:34):
Yeah, that puts out Kool-Aid.

Josh (06:35):
Yep, okay, let's get back on track.

Travis (06:45):
Oh, you don't want to change the name of this podcast
to to millionaires, yes, butmaybe no, an ambiguous podcast
about winning the lottery?

Josh (06:48):
nope, with josh and travis .
What would I do?
Yeah, that probably has existedat some point.
I would.
I would do this if I had money.
Just someone, it's justsomebody's like yep which is
fine, it's fun to do, but no one.
It's like talking about dreamsat night.
No one really cares.
Nobody cares, no.
So this author, who did thiswhole document, has remained
anonymous and the details havebeen super scarce.
They even were trying to figureout in the hearing.

Travis (07:11):
Well, this is another thing like and later on in this
dossier we have Jordan has someresearchers notes that attribute
an author to this, and whenyou're talking to like
Schellenberger or not, you likethe royal, you whoever's
interviewing Schellenberger, heknows who it is.
People that are in thesecongressional hearings, they all
know who the whistleblower is.

(07:32):
You ask Jeremy Corbell and heseems to know George Knapp.
They know who it is.
So it's like one of thosesecrets that everybody knows but
won't say in a public setting.

Josh (07:43):
Yeah, I agree, agree.
I mean I think it's moreserious than that, you know,
with some of these peoplebecause it could destroy their
lives and they could be inprison I mean it has, it has
some yeah, there has been rumorsthat it was grush david grush,
yeah, that wrote this, and Iheard those rumors right after
like the day I watched it, butreally it was unknown who did it

(08:04):
he was like the the boss well,he is.
I mean, yeah, he's, he was abig dog.
He was, yeah, he was the guythat he went and interviewed
every single person and foundout everyone's secrets in the
government, and that's what hewas doing.
He's basically doing like aninformation audit of what
everyone knows and he hadhighest clearance.
And then he's like whoa, thisis bad.

Travis (08:25):
So it's not too far afield to say that it might be
him, but we're not, nobody knowsfor sure, and we're not here to
dox anybody.

Josh (08:38):
Yeah, and I think that I mean in the document itself.
It mentions that a lot of thisstuff is not public.
That means it's classified.
So whoever leaked this needs tobe protected.
If it is Grush which very wellcould be he needs to be
protected because he didsomething illegal potentially.
So let's get into this.
So this is a document.
Section one of this 12 pagedocument is titled
unacknowledged special accessprogram.

Travis (08:57):
Yeah, and I believe there are six sections.

Josh (09:01):
Yeah, the seventh one is a very funny one.
We'll get to that.
So this one is called theunacknowledged special access
program, immaculateConstellation.
So Immaculate Constellation isa USAP unacknowledged special
access program established afterpublic disclosure of AATIP and
OSAP the programs by LouElizondo in 2017.

(09:22):
It utilizes a network of SAP'sspecial access platforms to
collect imagery intelligence onUAPs.
This program this is what thedocument is saying this program
operates outside legalcongressional oversight and
actively seeks to reverseengineer UAP technologies.
So, right off the bat, justinstantly hey, these people have

(09:43):
this program and they're doingit without your knowledge.
Literally, an unacknowledgedspecial access program, a black
op program.

Travis (09:52):
A need to know and you don't need to know.

Josh (09:55):
Yeah, and they're saying a program doesn't exist and then
it does.
Yeah, there's so much.

Travis (10:00):
I know it's very dense.
You're doing a good job ofgetting through it, but this is
a very dense topic full of a lotof information.

Josh (10:08):
And each piece of information has a whole bunch of
information behind that as well.
So it's like the documentitself isn't that large, but the
wording and what it means andwhat it could mean for something
else.

Travis (10:20):
It's like 12 pages in the tiniest font.

Josh (10:23):
It is tiny.

Travis (10:24):
There's a lot of stuff on the page here.

Josh (10:26):
Yeah, I recommend you can actually find this at
congressgov.
Yeah, they have all thedocumentation there.
Yeah, so basically, right offthe bat, this first section of
this document says this existsImmaculate constellation is a
real thing.
They've been actively reverseengineering UAP technologies and
they've been tracking them andthey've been doing it underneath

(10:48):
your noses, without telling you.

Travis (10:50):
So when we get into that a little later the reverse
engineering I've got some thingsthat I'd like to talk about.

Josh (10:55):
Do you want to talk about the second section?
So that was the first section.
It's pretty basic.
That was just a quick summary.
I highly recommend, if you'relistening, check it out.
It took me 20 minutes to readand I got a lot of information.
It summarization of it.
This is just covering off theways in which all of this
information has been gathered.

Travis (11:13):
So they use infrared IRs , forward-looking infrared FLIR,

(11:38):
flir, full motion video or FMVs.
They use thermal and stillphotography.
And then, through the course ofthis research, our researchers
found that there were thingsthat other means that were used
to gather this information thatwasn't included in the big four,
and that's signals intelligenceand that's analyzing electronic
signals like communicationsradar etc.
So blips and beeps and stufflike that Measurement and
signature intelligence, orMASINT M-A-S-I-N-T is the

(12:01):
acronym analyzing physicalcharacteristics like heat
signatures, electromagneticradiation patterns or chemical
compositions.
And another thing that wasmentioned was overhead
persistent infrared or OPIR, asystem of satellites and
airborne platforms used todetect and track missiles from
launch to interception.
So that's basically what thatsecond section is talking about.

Josh (12:22):
Yes, right, it covers all the ways, which is really good
to know that our governmentknows how to track this stuff.
So they have experience, theyhave done trial and error, they
figured out what to do.
But the other thing that was inthis section that I thought was
really interesting is that theyexplained that they kind of
have like a big database, but itis scattered across all the

(12:44):
organizations and services,making it fragmented and no one
owns all of the information.

Travis (12:50):
Yep, but that is part of their imagery intelligence, or
IMINT, which collects the datasets available to the Department
of Defense and those arereviewed for this report.
They take all of thisinformation and then they're
basically creating one moreconcise narrative.

Josh (13:05):
And that is the Immaculate Consolation.
Yeah, so it does exist.

Travis (13:10):
There is one database with all of this but it was
hidden, yeah, or maybe nothidden, but just put in like a
spam folder and you're like thisseems interesting.
We're just going to collect allthe information we have.
No information is badinformation, which is a thing
that I use at work.
I want to know everything aboutmy job and then I will

(13:30):
determine what I need todistribute out to my because
you're a control freak I alittle bit, yeah, yeah because
you were hurt as a child.
I mean who was it?
you're grasping at straws asmuch control, we're getting into
some deep stuff here.

Josh (13:44):
This is in the Immaculate Consolation.
They have a section just aboutyou, just Travis.

Travis (13:48):
Wright oh man, I should have done more research, you
should have.
I think I blacked out when Igot to that section.

Josh (13:55):
So this section two actually goes over nine examples
of UAP encounters.

Travis (13:59):
Yeah, it talks about it, but we have that later in the
dossier.

Josh (14:02):
Yeah, it talks about it but we have that later in the
dossier.
Yeah, we'll read it so that wassection two.

Travis (14:06):
I mean, I could really quickly go over the nine, maybe
not.
Maybe this might be something.

Josh (14:13):
Yeah, it's a little too much.
I just recommend that you guyslook at the document.
We're doing immaculateconstellation for dummies right
now.
Very much so we're just fillingthe end.

Travis (14:21):
I'm just going to list what they are.
Fill in the end I'm I'm justgoing to list what they are
cuboid formation of metallicorbs.
So there's a document incidentof that fast mover observed
transiting over sensitivefacilities.
There's an instance uh, theseare all part of these witnessed
events yeah intelligence vesselspositioned to collect on
reproduction vehicle.

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equilateral triangle UAP tailsunwitting vessel.
Large disc using clouds asconcealment, and it goes on and
on, like boomerang UAP observedby pilot and sensor suite.
Jellyfish UAP crosses US-Mexicoborder.
These are just these documentedinstances that are within
section two.
So those plus the ways in whichsome of these things are

(15:03):
tracked.

Josh (15:04):
Yeah, and then going into section three, this is titled
Defense Human IntelligenceReporting.
This section uses over 400defense reports on encounters
with UAP UFOs by governmentpersonnel from 1991 to 2022.
Right, the most common UAPshapes reported were spheres,
orbs, disks or saucers, ovals ortic-tacs.
Were spheres, orbs, discs orsaucers, ovals or tic-tacs,

(15:25):
triangles, boomerang orarrowhead, and irregular and
organic.
So the triangles, boomerangsand arrowhead shapes were by far
the rarest and the spheres arethe most common.
So the common observablebehaviors and characteristics of
UAP and UFO shapes.
The author goes through eachcommon UAP and observables, like

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the speed, the size, thesignatures, the colors, the
surface details so signaturesthat would be like what sort of
output they have.

Travis (15:54):
So like we talk a lot when we're looking at things
that run on combustible engines,like heat signature, right like
jets will put off a heatsignature.
Anything that is burningsomething is going to have a
byproduct of that right, right.

Josh (16:09):
And then it goes on with behaviors, atmospheric phenomena
, biological effects and uniqueemissions, and Elizondo has gone
on some interviews and he'smentioned that these are what we
look for to determine if thisis an actual UAP or if this is a
non-human intelligent thing,and it has to hit a certain

(16:29):
amount of these to be a UAPbasically.
So it goes on in the samesection, in section three, and
it kind of goes over what eachone of these are.
So the sphere and orbs Likefiner defining.
Yeah, it goes over and it kindof describes and defines what it
looks like, where it usuallyflies, what it sounds like, how
it flies.

Travis (16:49):
it sounds like how it flies you have one that sounded
the scariest to you I mean theirregular and organic.

Josh (16:56):
Oh my god man, that freaked me out I mean because we
all know what the oval andtic-tac ones are.
We've discussed those kindsbefore.
The discs and saucers we've allseen every alien movie ever.
Yeah, spheres and orbs, thoseare pretty common.
If you don't, I mean these, thespheres and orbs.
They kind of just hover in astationary place but they can

(17:17):
zip off pretty quick.
You can feel uneasy around itand your electronics will
usually malfunction and thosekind of things.

Travis (17:25):
But the irregular ones, like the jellyfish video that we
talked about, so if any of youhave seen the movie Jordan
Peele's Nope, that is what Iwould describe Like that sense
of dread that I felt watchingthat movie when that alien
finally revealed itself Like itwas a ship, like a disc, but

(17:46):
then it revealed itself thatthat was an actually organic
thing flying around that hadtraveled through the cosmos.
Spoiler alert for no, sorry.
That is what freaked me out,because the people that witness
these specific forms ofphenomena have a physical
reaction to it, like they feelnauseous or a sense of dread or

(18:09):
smells.
They're physically affected byit and that's what freaks me out
the most I mean, and they'rejust creepy, like the like you
said.

Josh (18:16):
I mean it's just kind of like the worst case scenario of
what you would imagine alienlife would look like.
They kind of call it brain,like a floating brain or
jellyfish, because it kind ofhas like the nerves that the
brain has in the spinal cord,but without, without the human
flesh.
So it's just kind of like thisweird floating brain jellyfish
thing and they're bioluminescentand they kind of shift in color

(18:39):
.
They kind of have like a fluidlike surface.
They can, yeah, their sizesvary, which is weird.

Travis (18:45):
But the fact that people identify them as organic freaks
me out Like that.
When I think organic, I'm like,oh shit, like a fleshy kind of
exterior, like a human.
There's something about it thatseems of Earth but not of Earth
, so just very like.

Josh (19:03):
Well, like you said, there's physical sensations.
There's weird things, but theweird one is the sudden
temperature drop.

Travis (19:09):
Yep, or the feelings of nausea.

Josh (19:10):
Yeah, the appearance of clouds, psychological distress,
weird smells.

Travis (19:14):
There's weird things, but the weird one is the sudden
temperature drop, yep, or thefeelings of nausea, yeah, the
appearance of clouds,psychological distress, weird
smells.
So this part of reading throughthe dossier.
I went on a weird MRI tangentlooking to see if people
experienced nausea when havingan MRI done.
A width contrast means thatthey're putting something in
your body that goes into yourblood and then that makes it
more visible to this MRI.

Josh (19:35):
Yeah.

Travis (19:35):
So like highlights these organs and if you have metal in
your body because you are in agiant magnet, it will rip it out
of your body.
So if you have a piercing, theytell you to take your piercing
out or else it's gone.
If you have a metal knee oryou've had back surgery, it will
get ripped from your body.
So I went on this weird oh manright, I don't.

(19:57):
I that sounds so horrible.
That was earlier today when Iwas reading through this again
and is that why you were cryingwhen you showed up?
I was sobbing, I was so upset,it was a very upsetting thing to
think about.
Um, anyways, the point is islike getting around a magnet
that is super powered we talkedabout this on one of our other
episodes like how these shipsmaybe move through our

(20:21):
atmosphere and that's maybeusing earth's magnetic field to
kind of help propel them along.
To have a magnet like that andthen be around it probably would
have give us like a nauseousfeeling.

Josh (20:31):
Yeah, magnets can make people real weird.
Magnets, electricity and soundas well.
They can make people go crazy.

Travis (20:39):
What is it called the power code accelerator?
That's what.
I'm thinking Just magnets thatpush things around like really
fast.
Somebody stuck their face in itand just like it melted it,
what Like?
Killed all the muscles in thatside of his face, so it looked
like he had a stroke.

Josh (20:54):
Did he do it on purpose?
Yes For science.

Travis (20:57):
Probably like.
You know how scientists get allcrazy when they've been
drinking their schnapps andthey're like dare me to do it.
And they're like, yeah, man, doit, do it.
Take another shot first, though.
Yeah, I dare you to put yourface in the particle accelerator
.
And then he fucking did it Ican't believe that I'm gonna
look it up it had to have beenan accident okay, um, in 1978 a

(21:20):
man by anatoly bagorskiaccidentally put his head inside
a particle accelerator on july13, 1978 when a safety mechanism
failed, causing a beam ofprotons that passed through his
head.
He survived incident althoughhe experienced significant
radiation damage andneurological complications.
So you can look this up andthey have not like a before and
after, but they will put like adividing line on his face and

(21:41):
part of his face looks regular,full of muscle, and then the
part that was in the particleaccelerator it's like a very
distinct line.
It looks almost like he had astroke.
Wow, it's wild that I mean.
So anyway, that sounds horriblemagnets can I guess to like sum
up that whole portion yeah, whatare they doing?

Josh (21:59):
that's what are they doing .

Travis (22:01):
Anybody ever talked to magnets.
What are they up to over there?

Josh (22:04):
let's say uh, the insane clown posse lyrics.
They have a line.
It goes water, earth, air, dirt, motherfucking magnets.
How do they work?

Travis (22:14):
like asking the questions man.
Yeah, they're just asking thequestions, josh.

Josh (22:19):
Yep, I respect that, yeah so one of the other ones that
was kind of scary for me was thetriangular okay ones, because
it's a black or dark gray object, sometimes with white lights
and corners and central redlight twinkling stars on surface
ranging in size from an f-16 toa football field.

Travis (22:38):
Yeah, that's terrifying that is some independence day
shit that I don't want to be apart of and they say that like
the triangles come from, likethey range from, like
equilateral, so like all sidesare equal, to like an isosceles,
where you know one side mightbe longer than the other.

Josh (22:53):
Just size wise, that would be just as scary as the
irregular organic.

Travis (22:59):
Anything big freaks me out.

Josh (23:01):
Yeah.

Travis (23:01):
If I were to see a whale , I think I would have a panic
attack.

Josh (23:04):
Are you afraid of whales?

Travis (23:05):
No, I've seen them out in the wild and they it's
incredible and it fills me withlike so much adrenaline.
I just get really amped upbecause of how big they are.
But I did not see them in theirentirety, like I've never seen
a beach whale.
If I were to see a beach whaleI would be overcome with just
how big they are.
I have a very deep fear of deepwater.

(23:27):
I realized this goingbackpacking.
We go up to these mountainlakes that can be very deep and
very clear, where you can climbup.
A lot of these lakes are in abowl and so there's a little
ridge that kind of wraps aroundit and if you were climbing up
this ridge we would do day hikes, get up to the top of this
ridge and look down.
You could see so far down intosome of these lakes you couldn't
see the bottom and that freakedme out and that's when I

(23:48):
realized how scary what's goingon down there?
What are they doing down there?

Josh (23:52):
Has anybody asked the bottom of this?

Travis (23:53):
lake.
What's going on?

Josh (23:54):
Something going on.
How do they work?
Like Crater Lake, that's one ofthe deepest lakes in the world,
sure, so, finishing off sectionthree, there are some examples
that we should read.
So these are some reports frommilitary personnel that have
experienced.
These are encounters, basically, and this is in this Immaculate

(24:18):
Consolation document.
So the first one is the closeencounter by CVN flight deck
personnel.
While on active duty in thePacific, flight deck personnel
working night duty experienced aclose encounter with a
spherical UAP of medium-largesize.
On duty, flight deck crewobserved a small orange-red
sphere maneuvering at highaltitude above the CVN.

(24:38):
Shortly after first observation, the UAP rapidly descended from
high altitude to a positiondirectly above the flight deck
of the CVN, height approximately100 to 200 yards.
The UAP maintained altitude andmatched speed with the underway
CVN for an uncertain period.
Observing personnel reportedaltered perceptions of time.

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During the close encounter,uaps appeared to emit a soft
orange-red light which bizarrely, did not illuminate the ocean
or the flight deck of the CVN.
Despite the visual appearanceof intense luminosity, the
surface of the UAP was observedto be dynamic, roiling like the
surface of the sun.
The UAP took no reportedactions during the encounter,

(25:20):
only maintaining a closeproximity to the CVN.
After an uncertain period, theUAP suddenly shot into the air,
disappearing at a point highabove the CVN.
Observing personnel felt as ifthey snapped out of a trance and
sense of profound unease.
The incident report concludeswith noting that the CVN had not
responded in any way to whatwas perceived as a hostile

(25:41):
interception by the UAP.
I mean, this is one of thefirst examples of some of the
documentation that they've had.
But that is crazy.
So something bright withoutilluminating I've never even
thought of something like thatand then roiling like the
surface of the sun.
So I mean they were basicallyhypnotized, it seems like.
So then there's one other onethat it mentions, and it's the

(26:05):
metallic orbs intercepting F-22on CONUS air surveillance and
control mission.
So while performing a routineairspace surveillance and
control mission in the EasternAir Defense sector, an F-22
fighter observed multiple UAPcontacts at mission altitude.
Moving to intercept the F-22,pilot noted multiple metallic
orbs slightly smaller than asedan hovering in place.

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Upon vectoring towards the UAPs, a smaller formation of the
metallic orbs accelerated atrapid speed toward the F-22,
which was unable to establishradar locks on the presumed
hostile UAPs.
The F-22 broke trajectory andattempted to evade, but was
intercepted and boxed in byapproximately three to six UAPs.
One UAP maneuvered in proximity, around 12 meters to the area,

(26:52):
directly starboard of thecockpit.
There, the UAP established arigid spatial relationship with
the F-22, maintaining its exactposition and orientation
parallel with the F-22's cockpit.
Despite multiple evasive rollsand maneuvers, surrounded by the
presumed hostile UAP uaps, thef-22 was forced out of the
mission area under the escort ofthe uap formation.

(27:14):
Holy fucking shit.
Holy shit is right.
That is terrifying.
Like I mean.
You hear all these stories andit's like they're doing no harm
and you know they're justobserving.
But this was not observing,this was I mean.
If you look at police carchases and these cops are
guiding or boxing in a driverand they're maneuvering them

(27:35):
somewhere else.
So that's what these guys aredoing, these UAPs.
That's terrifying it is.
And this is in the document thatCongress has and this is
information that the governmenthas.
This is just the tip of theiceberg and they said there's
over 400 of these stories andthey're keeping all this kind of
information from congress andthen they're researching,
they're doing all this stuff.

Travis (27:54):
I mean it's, this is a big deal sorry I I kind of
forgot that we were on a podcastand I was just getting lost.
Well, I lost the information.
Um, just how, how wild is.

Josh (28:08):
Is this doing anything for your skepticism, or is this
kind of?

Travis (28:12):
My skepticism is not uh, that they like I've talked
about.
It's not that they exist ordon't exist.
It is the vehicle that thisstuff is presented to us.

Josh (28:21):
So when I explain this podcast to people, I'll say my
cohost.
He believes in aliens, hebelieves that that has to exist.
Yeah, but the proof that Earthhas provided him.

Travis (28:32):
Insufficient.

Josh (28:32):
Yeah, it's insufficient.
It makes him skeptical becausereally he thinks none of it is
proof.
But for me, I'm just a believer.
I'm a forever believer.
I get excited about believingthings.
It could be bonkers.
I don't believe everything,obviously.
I go into it logically, but Imean, from the information that
I have so far, it does seempretty logical that the military

(28:54):
is hiding something and there'ssome pretty crazy shit going on
.
Yes, there is a third example.
I encourage you guys to pullout that document and read it
for yourself.
We're going to go to the nextsection, section four, which is
the DOD bureaucratic records.
So just quickly, this documentalleges a deliberate effort
within certain sectors of the USgovernment to conceal the true

(29:17):
nature of UAPs in the existenceof programs like the Immaculate
Consolation, because this is notthe only program that is around
.
That is an unacknowledgedspecial access program.
There's a bunch of those.
So this includes denying accessto information, misclassifying
data and misleading members ofCongress.
So they're purposely lying,purposely misclassifying data,

(29:39):
so it doesn't sound bad.
They're probably purposelyhiding data and they're denying
access to information toCongress.

Travis (29:47):
I look at this as like yes, maybe they are
intentionally hiding this.
That is a very distinctpossibility, right?
I think that, based on how bigthe government is, a lot of this
stuff is just accumulating dataand putting it like we talked
earlier in this specific show,putting it in a bin of sorts and

(30:08):
then just kind of forgettingabout it.
And then, as politicians, youknow, and then that's part of
our democracy, living in a or arepublic, where we nominate
representatives and then theyspend a certain amount of time
in office.
As those people matriculate orwork their way through the
system and out of the system,information gets lost or
information gets put aside orprojects get left behind.

(30:30):
And I feel like that is closerto what we're experiencing with
this.
You know, heads of stategetting fired and replaced and
the new information coming up,and these directors of these
organizations having their owndirectives, their own projects
that they're trying to get going, and so the projects of the
previous head may be put aside,and so all that information is

(30:52):
not going in the trash bin, itis just getting set aside and
maybe put in the folder, andthen people are getting asked
about it, and I don't think thatthey have the full breadth of
what has been researched.

Josh (31:03):
I think that does go on in the Department of Defense and
the Pentagon and all this.
But it sounds as though, withLou Elizondo working with AATIP
and some of the other programs,those were special access
programs.
So there was active peopleworking on all this information,
trying to get as muchinformation as they can.
Immaculate Consolation is anunacknowledged special access

(31:25):
program with different peopleactively working to do all this
stuff and I don't know.
I mean I think Lou Elizondoknows a lot and he can't talk
about a lot, but he had to dighard for a lot of the
information that he had and hehad to interview a lot of people
and a lot of people wouldn'treturn his calls or would dodge
his interviews and his questions.
This immaculate consolation.

(31:47):
If he had access to that, whichI don't think he did, he
wouldn't have to do all thatdigging and everything.
It's all there, right.
So this is another project.
So this isn't justhand-me-downs and lost
information.
I mean this is an activeprogram that they're saying
isn't real.
Yeah, and how many other onesare there?
So section five is calledRestrictg historical records, so

(32:12):
it starts out g backslash zero,zero backslash 162-78.
This serial number correspondsto an official nsa report
published in 1978.

Travis (32:23):
The existence and content of this report was
verified by accessing theappropriate intelligence
archives and that demonstratesthe us technology explicitly
asked to collect on foreignentities, often relegated to the
fringes of scientific research,including parapsychology and
the biological effects ofencounters with UAP.
A lot of shit was going on in1978.
That's the same year that guyput his face in a particle

(32:43):
accelerator.
It's a big year.
That was my mind being blown,so they're doing deep fringe
science on UAPs.

Josh (32:53):
I don't know if this immaculate thing I mean this may
not be part of the immaculate.
This is a NSA report.

Travis (32:58):
This is the US asking to collect information on foreign
entities, often relegated tofringes.
So this is like the Fire in theSky, guy Travis, like his
incident.
All of these accounts, startingfrom 1978, are being collected.

Josh (33:13):
Okay, so Michael Schellenberger.
He was in the 2024 UAP hearing.

Travis (33:19):
He's considered the well , he's a journalist and he is
the person that this information, I believe, was supposedly
leaked to, and thenSchellenberger moved this along,
I think, if I'm if I followthis correctly he was the
middleman, for sure.
Schellenberger says he knowswho the whistleblower is.

Josh (33:36):
He's had conversations with this individual right, yeah
, and he knows the referencesand the sources that the
individual got this informationfrom and has talked to other
sources to confirm that what isin this is true.
So he's done his due diligence.

Travis (33:56):
So in the same conversations that he's had, he
says I will not name this person, but then he also says David
Grush's name.
So maybe him making thatcontrast does indicate the
person that was responsible forthis Immaculate Consolation
report or information is not infact, david Grush.

Josh (34:11):
Yeah.
So Schellenberger referenced ascanned handwritten note from
1985 by Oak Shannon in hiswritten testimony, on page 210.
Oak Shannon is a formerresearcher scientist at Los
Alamos National Laboratory.
Where do we know that from BobLazar, who is tasked with

(34:32):
reverse engineering craft andcollected many interviews from
UFO experiencers?
Sounds similar to what BobLazar was talking about and he
also worked at Los Olmos.
Yeah, on page 24 of the Shannonnotes from 1985, it mentions
NSA document with that numberwith a star next to it that says
look for this.

(34:52):
So the author highlights thatdocuments like this give a
glimpse into a secretive,decades long competition between
major terrestrial powers tocollect and reverse engineer
technologies derived from thestudy of UAP and non-human
intelligence.
So when I read that part I wasso excited.
This was not in this document.
This was a side note.

(35:13):
It's just exciting to see thatBob Lazar was not the only
whistleblower from Los Alamos.
There was others, maybe, maybethis is also.

Travis (35:22):
Bob Lazar, shannon Lazar , but maybe it's a nom de plume,
could be.

Josh (35:28):
Could be yes.

Travis (35:29):
It is interesting to note that there are other people
that witnessed the same thingthe Bob Blizzard did and then
the reverse engineering of these.
I think they specifically saidlike a triangle that they had
shot down.
Also in these notes it saysthat every major political
player in the world has engagedand shot down a UAP, which is

(35:50):
wild.

Josh (35:51):
That is wild, but it would make sense.
Yeah, I mean, all the biggerpowers have military.

Travis (35:56):
Yeah Well, I also think it's pretty vain to think that
it's just the United States thatthey'd be interested in.

Josh (36:00):
Yeah.

Travis (36:01):
When the world is a big place.

Josh (36:03):
I think even in this 12 page document they mentioned
that it is around military basesand it's a world thing.
Yeah, so we'll get into sectionsix.
It's titled SignalsIntelligence.
So the general conclusion ofthe worldwide UAP events
occurring over sensitivemilitary and intelligent
facilities are that othercountries are experiencing the

(36:24):
same UAP events as the US.
They are treated as a seriousnational security threat.
The facilities affected aremost often associated with
aerospace defense, strategicdeterrence and
military-sponsored scientificresearch and development.
Also, each nation has attemptedto intercept and shoot down
UAPs violating their airspaceand each nation has internal

(36:45):
organizations dedicated tostudying UAP threats, scientific
principles and managing publicperception of the UAP issue.
So it's happening everywhere.

Travis (36:54):
It's happening everywhere, which was a question
I asked early on in the show,or maybe it was off mic.
I was like so why are all thesethings happening here?
And your answer was oh no,they're happening all over the
place.

Josh (37:08):
Yeah, you just have to look.
It's just it's not widelypublicized, you know.
I mean, that was the last pointis each nation is managing
public perception.
So this comes to the lastsection, section seven, which is
hilarious and I love it.
Section seven is sensitivesources.

Travis (37:27):
Yeah.

Josh (37:27):
And the author of this 12-page document simply writes
from mouth to ear it's so funny.
That's it yeah that's all there, and this is like in the
document the shortest thing, onelittle sentence yeah, and
that's just pretty much likealluding to how this information
was gathered.

Travis (37:44):
He's not gonna cite like yeah, he's not gonna tell his
sources, well, or or even cite,like a scientific journal or
anything like that, becausethey're not trying to dox
anybody.
These are whistleblowers.
It is, though, to your point.
It is a very funny thing.

Josh (37:58):
Yeah, it could refer to information passed verbally and
not recorded officially.
It may relate to how the authorobtained the information about
sensitive intelligence collectedagainst UAPs by foreign
countries, but no one knowsright what it actually means.
He could just be like, uh, fuckyou, I'm not telling you my
sources.
I'm no rat.
Yeah, snitches get stitchesyeah bitches I'm out.

(38:20):
So the conclusion of this entirething.
So this is right.
After section seven, the oneline.

(38:45):
So, in conclusion, this timeposes too many risks To them.
It must be said that we willnever be able to predict how
individuals, families,communities and nations will
react to revelations of suchmagnitude.
Moving forward, we must guardagainst the lure of
authoritarian solutionsjustified by expediency and
appeals to national security.
The good in humanity willalways triumph through time, and

(39:07):
it is in the moment of crisisthat our capacities for
achieving the extraordinary arediscovered.
Be not afraid.
What a conclusion.
Nice.
I like it.
It's nice, it's motivating, itis, it's hopeful.
It reminds me of the speechfrom Independence Day.

Travis (39:24):
Oh, we will not go quietly into the night.
Yeah, this is a little morehopeful than that.
This is like, yes, these thingsare happening, but we have
always managed, throughout thecourse of human history, to find
a way to get through it.

Josh (39:38):
Yeah, humans thrive of human history to find a way to
get through it.
Yeah, humans thrive, and wethrive even more when there's
something that's holding us backor something that's scary or
sad.
We band together.

Travis (39:47):
I like that.
He said goodness will alwaystriumph.
I think that's nice and that'shopeful.
And then, don't be afraid, youknow, just be courageous, be
brave.

Josh (39:56):
Yeah, and we've mentioned this before in another episode
where I think it needs to happen.
Humanity needs to band together.
Finally, because we're so torn,I mean just the United States
alone, but then there's theworld politics Like, we're all
human and we all need to worktogether.
We all need to realize that weare all the same and we need to

(40:17):
come together, and I think thatwill move us drastically forward
for the better.

Travis (40:22):
Yeah.

Josh (40:23):
So that was the immaculate consolation for dummies.
Do you want to talk about whathappened right after the
document was released?

Travis (40:32):
There was some drama right there was drama, where
Jeremy Corbell got a littleworked up and called members of
Congress liars.

Josh (40:41):
Yeah, he stood up and yelled that Congress lied and
that he was the one whosubmitted the document, not the
person stated by Nancy Mace.

Travis (40:48):
There was a cover letter that was submitted that was
written by Jeremy Corbell.
That was part of this dossier.
So this dossier was 11 pages,right?
Congress had said or themembers of this committee that
were part of this hearing saidas much.
There's 12 pages, but they onlyreleased 11.

Josh (41:05):
Yeah, on the congressgov, there still is only 11.
Only 11.
Yeah.

Travis (41:09):
That 12th page is just an introduction by Jeremy
Corbell.

Josh (41:12):
Stating the importance and the work that he did on it.
Yes, yeah, it's not necessary.
It doesn't give any informationother than who provided this.
Also, there could have beenother people that had this
document.
It wasn't just him, but Jeremyhas been since very vocal about
the representatives beingstrong-armed by suits to not
mention his name during thehearing.
This is supposedly corroboratedby the representative, tim

(41:35):
Burcham.

Travis (41:36):
But what does suits mean ?

Josh (41:39):
It's like clothes you wear them, or a lawsuit, I guess.

Travis (41:45):
But when he's saying suits, it's like this amorphous
villain.
I don't know what that means.
What does that mean?
Maybe it's the men in black?
Yeah.

Josh (41:57):
I don't know what he means by suits, probably just people
in black.
Yeah, I don't know what hemeans by suits.

Travis (42:00):
Probably just people in charge.
That seems more like him beinga little reductive, where he's
just trying to throw an insultat somebody like you suits.
You guys don't know what you'retalking about.
You're lying to us, so it'sjust.

Josh (42:11):
Yeah, it's like at work.
If corporate shows up it's like, oh, here comes the suits.
Yeah, it's just the people incharge.
So Tim Burchett supposedlycorroborated this, though some
in the UFO community feel thatJeremy Corbell just wanted
credit where credit is due,which I don't blame him.
It probably took a lot of workto get all that and get this in.
I mean, I can't imagine Iwouldn't be able to do what

(42:31):
happened.

Travis (42:32):
No, and then this community.
What I learned when I was incollege was that a lot of
professors have this doctrineit's publish or perish.
College was that.
A lot of professors have thisdoctrine that's publish or
perish.
And I feel like it's the samewith like documentarians like
Jeremy Corbell, where you haveto continually make stuff.
I mean, this is his livelihood.
You have to continually makestuff or you're not bringing any
.
I mean, lay it all on the table.

(42:52):
If you're not making somethinglike this, then you're not
making any money.
Yeah, he has to survive too.
He has to survive.

Josh (42:57):
Yeah, I mean, a journalist isn't going to spend years in
another country researchingsomething and then post it
anonymously.
Yeah.

Travis (43:08):
You know they?
I mean that happens Like youcan do years and years of
research on a topic only to haveit be disproved with like two
lines of dialogue, and then allof your work is now meaningless.

Josh (43:15):
Yes, that happens but, this isn't meaningless and he
needs the credit for sure.
Overall, pretty crazy.
I'm glad we did this in threeparts because we were talking
about doing this as one episode,like congressional hearings
episode there's no way we couldhave done it in one episode.

Travis (43:31):
I mean, already we're like how long have we been
recording?

Josh (43:33):
yeah, that's the thing I mean.
I didn't want to do a three,four, four hour episode.
No one has that time I mean Ihave.

Travis (43:41):
I do listen to podcasts that will periodically go over
three hours, but like that's,that's that podcast building up
to it, like starting at about anhour and a half and then
working up to two and then threehours, and so I have a rapport
with these podcasters and Iunderstand where they're going.
So, but we're just, you know,dumb idiots talking about this

(44:01):
very complicated thing, and Idon't think people are, I don't
know.

Josh (44:05):
Yeah, this is aliens for dummies because we're the
dummies and we're trying tounderstand this and I hope that
you guys are learning somethingyou know.
If this is an easy way for youto get information, then that's
awesome.
We're doing this because welove knowledge.
We love this idea, this topic,and it's just fascinating.

(44:25):
We could be wrong on multipledifferent things.
I don't know.

Travis (44:29):
I probably am.

Josh (44:30):
I probably am too.
You know, I've made lots ofmistakes and you know what.
Some of my ideas have changedtoo, some of my beliefs, and
even topics that we've alreadytalked about.
I'm just like, ooh, I actuallythink differently about that now
, with more information that I'mgetting, and there's more
information coming out all thetime.
Yeah, so I appreciate that youguys are listening.
We definitely want feedback, aslong as you're gentle.

Travis (44:52):
Yeah, I mean I don't, I don't care, I've got pretty
thick skin, so you guys can saywhatever you want, I'm probably
not going to change my opinionson a lot of things.

Josh (45:01):
I will.
If you come at me hard, I willchange my opinion.
If you come at me hard enough,you can be mean, I don't know,
I'll probably find itentertaining.

Travis (45:11):
If you come at me with something that makes sense to me
, then maybe my opinion will bechanged.
But for the most part myopinion is not to change and
less there is like definitiveproof of something yeah, also
there'll be a link for fan mail.

Josh (45:24):
You can just message us straight from your computer,
your tablet or phone.
I don't know why I said phonelast yeah, phone is like my
first entrance into yeah, youdon't even have a computer, I
don't I don't believe they existwell I'm sure you'll get
feedback on that.
What are they hiding?
So now it is our favoritesegment, the baseline quiz.

(45:46):
All right, so do you want totalk about what we're going to
talk about next week?

Travis (45:52):
Okay, so our baseline quiz is giving me childhood
excitement.
We're going to be talking nextweek about UFO sky battles,
which when I saw that I gotexcited Only exist in sci-fi.

Josh (46:08):
Yeah, sky battles.
Yeah, any sci-fi, anything butit sounds so cool, sky battles.

Travis (46:14):
Oh, my God.

Josh (46:15):
And I don't know what it means.

Travis (46:16):
I don't know what it means.
I'm excited to find out.

Josh (46:19):
Yeah, so god, and I don't know what it means.
I don't know what it means.
I'm excited to find out.
Yeah, so this is what we'regoing to talk about next week.

Travis (46:23):
We don't know anything about it, the mind reels so here
we go.

Josh (46:26):
We have, uh, some questions.
I'm going to read thesequestions, okay and then we'll
both answer it yeah, we'll bothanswer.
They're all multiple choice andhere we go.
So u UFO sky battles.
In what year was the battleover Nuremberg?
Was it 1942, 1561, 1782, or1639?

Travis (46:49):
So at the top of this file there is a little there's
like an artistic rendering ofwhat I assume is a sky battle.
It does not look like it is ofthe current like it looks like
leonardo da vinci it does, so Idon't know if that is jordan is
trying to throw us off here orif this is like information that

(47:12):
she's just like being cheekyabout giving us I wouldn't put
it past her either way i'm'mgoing to say my guess, just
based on this.

Josh (47:22):
I think it's 1639.

Travis (47:23):
I was going to say 1639 too, but I'll say, just for the
purposes of this Okay, 1639, andI said it first.

Josh (47:31):
Oh, I thought you were going to choose something else
and I was just thinking oh, ifhe chooses something else and
it's wrong.
He's going to be mad.
Yeah, All right.
Next question which of thefollowing does not describe the
UFOs reported in the battle overNuremberg?
Is it spheres, disks, crossesor cylinders?

Travis (47:56):
I'm going to say cylinders.

Josh (47:58):
I'm going to say cylinders too, too, because that wasn't
in the report we just read forthis immaculate constellation.

Travis (48:03):
I didn't see anything about cylinders but if we're
talking about this one specificthere's crosses.
I didn't see anything aboutcrosses either no, but crosses
is one of those things thatcould be like, uh, an x, a
teardrop shape, could be viewedas a cross.
What?
Well, because it has like apoint.
If you're looking and you don'thave the like the vocabulary,
we're talking about an incident.

(48:25):
I'm just basing this off.
My answer 1639.
Okay, so this report, thebattle of nuremberg, if there
were eyewitness events, theirvocabulary is going to be
limited and if they're lookingup in the sky and they see
something that's lit up like ateardrop shape or like an
isosceles triangle or any one ofthose, these triangle events,
they might interpret it as across being.

(48:46):
You know maybe of the Christianpersuasion, where they're just
seeing crosses everywhere.
You could be right.
So that's why I'm saying, likethey could say, it looked like
flying crosses.
That's why I'm saying it'scylinders, because we're looking
for something that is not.

Josh (49:00):
I'm going to say crosses.
That was my answer, okay.

Travis (49:03):
You're saying cylinders?
Yeah, I am.
Who wants to be a millionaireworking my way through my answer
?

Josh (49:09):
specifically.
No, that's great, all right.
Next question In what US citydid military reportedly open
fire on UFOs in 1942?
Los Angeles, californiareportedly opened fire on ufos
in 1942 los angeles, california,new york, new york, hampton,
virginia, las vegas, nevada.
I actually know this answer, sodo you?

Travis (49:29):
I do and it's batshit.
I'm gonna say so.
You want me to answer first.
You answer first.
Lock my answer in.
What lock my answer in?
Yeah, I want you first and thenlock it in.
Put it on this file.

Josh (49:39):
Put it on this yeah not change it no, my answer is las
vegas nevada that is my answeras well oh my god I think I know
the.
I mean I'm pretty sure I'veseen.

Travis (49:51):
No, no, you're confident .
You were super confident yeah,I just don't want to be
confident and be wrong thatsounds like where you're trying,
where you're trying to reverseour personalities here, where I
come in super confident and thenI'm wrong every time yeah, okay
.

Josh (50:04):
next question what did witnesses see in the skies of
stralsund, sweden, now germanyin 1665?
A dark spear, a shiny, a shinycube, a large hat I want it to
be a large hat A fiery disc.

Travis (50:21):
To me that's just really funny.
But again, that could be a waythat they describe something
that they didn't have vocabularyfor, that's true, so it could
have just looked like a largehat.

Josh (50:31):
I think it's a large hat because they didn't have discs,
Like they wouldn't know thatword yet, right?

Travis (50:37):
I wouldn't think so.
I don't know.
I mean, they had wheels.
It looks like a disc.
Yeah, I think they would havesaid a large wheel in the sky,
though, Right, Maybe let's go.
Let's unanimously do, Lord Chet.
Let's just let's all in on that, Josh.

Josh (50:51):
Okay, let's hold hands and drive off this cliff.
Thelma and Louise style, I donstyle.
I don't know what kind of hat.
Maybe it was like the gimbal,maybe they thought the gimbal
was a hat, sure, possibly.
Okay, next question when wasthe celestial phenomenon over
basil?
Switzerland?
1983, this is a wild.

(51:11):
1794, 1885 or 1566, it's uBattles.
So we're going to talk aboutall the battles in the sky.

Travis (51:21):
I guess all of them.
Yeah, not one specifically.
I thought it was going to belike one.
That's how I walked into thisquiz too.

Josh (51:29):
Yeah, okay.
So we're going through history.
Celestial phenomenon,switzerland I'm going to say
1794.

Travis (51:36):
I don't know my first NSYNC was 1885.
I'm going to stick with that.
I don't really have a reason.

Josh (51:44):
Yeah, this is just straight guess.
Yep, all right.
Last question what unusualevents did not take place in
Basel?
Spheres fought each other,sightings of men in strange
black clothes, the sun changedshape and color, a total eclipse
of the moon.

Travis (52:02):
So that tells me, based on the phrasing of this question
, that three of these things didin fact happen yes, that's
where my Only one of them didnot, and they're all fucking
wild.

Josh (52:14):
I was trying to.
You got there a little quickerthan me.
I was frantically trying tofigure out how three of these
things could happen, mm-hmm, andwhich one.
Yeah, this is Okay.

Travis (52:29):
Okay, because we've talked about some of these.
There have always beensightings of men in black, right
, I mean I'm going to say thathappened.
A total eclipse of the moonPossible?
That is a thing that does existin this world.
Yeah, spheres fought each other.
That is the premise of thiswhole quiz.
Is the fucking space battle?
So I'm gonna say the skybattles.

(52:50):
I'm gonna say the sun changedshape and color.

Josh (52:52):
That did not happen okay, I'm gonna say, because of the
name of this event is celestialphenomenon.

Travis (53:01):
I'm going to say, maybe spheres didn't fight each other
holy shit and the other thingswas these three things so I'm
going to say spheres fought eachother did not take place maybe
jordan, being a little cheekyagain, could be leading us down
a like I said, I wouldn't put apastor.

Josh (53:15):
Okay, all right, so we're going to submit, I'm going to
view our accuracy.

Travis (53:19):
Well, thumbs down, fart sound on that first one yeah, in
what year was the battle overnuremberg?

Josh (53:24):
we both said 1639.
It was 1561, yeah I mean okay,okay next one, which of the
following does not describe theufos reported in the battle over
nuremberg?
I I said crosses, you saidcylinders.
It was discs, discs.
Okay, off to a good start Showme those discs, let me see your

(53:44):
discs.
So next one In what US city didmilitary reportedly open fire
on UFOs in 1942?

Travis (53:52):
Funny how the tables have turned.
I am accustomed to being wrong.

Josh (53:55):
How does?

Travis (53:55):
it feel to go into a question so confident and then
have it blow up in your face.

Josh (54:03):
It didn't blow up.
I got it right, didn't you?

Travis (54:05):
say Las Vegas.

Josh (54:07):
No, I said Los Angeles.

Travis (54:08):
I said Las Vegas oh.

Josh (54:10):
I thought you said Los Angeles.
It was wishful thinking, it wasLos.

Travis (54:13):
Angeles, you changed your answer.

Josh (54:14):
No, it was Los Angeles.
It was right by Catalina Island.
That's a hot spot.
I'm sorry, I feel bad now.
Damn it Ooh.
Next question this is awkwardnow.
What did witnesses see?

Travis (54:28):
So betrayed.
But now it's all good, becausenow I get my funny answer.

Josh (54:33):
Yeah, what did witnesses see in the skies of Stralsund
Sweden, now Germany in 1665?
It was a large hat, in fact alarge hat.
It was not a disc, not a cubeor a spear, it was a hat.
It was a hat, that's reallyfunny.

Travis (54:45):
I love this for us yeah.

Josh (54:47):
I hope there's drawings Maybe saved our friendship.
I hope so.

Travis (54:52):
It was on the rocks there for one question, I could
tell energy.

Josh (54:57):
I started smelling weird things and they got really cold.

Travis (55:00):
Yeah, yeah, you started to feel a sense of dread.

Josh (55:03):
Yeah.
Next question when was thecelestial phenomenon over Basel,
Switzerland?
I said 1794.
What did you say?
1885.
It was 1566.
Oh my God which?
The battle over Nuremberg was1561.
So yeah.

Travis (55:20):
So yeah, so it's five year difference.

Josh (55:21):
Big century for battles, for sky battles.

Travis (55:24):
For sky battles.

Josh (55:25):
Yeah, it is so.
Yeah, 1566.
Okay, last one.
What unusual events did nottake place in?

Travis (55:33):
Basel.
This is a shock to me.

Josh (55:34):
So I said, spheres fought each other.

Travis (55:38):
You said the sun changed shape and color.

Josh (55:41):
We were both wrong.

Travis (55:42):
Yes.

Josh (55:43):
It was sightings of men in strange black clothes which is
wild.

Travis (55:46):
I thought that we'd read , or had been led to believe,
that there were always.
As long as there have beensightings of UFOs or UAPs, there
have been men in black.
My whole world is turned upsidedown.

Josh (55:57):
Yeah, we did a men in black episode.
I don't know.
I know it goes back hundreds ofyears.
I don't know if it goes backthat far.
I mean 1566?
That's crazy.
But that does mean that spheresfought each other, the sun
changed shape and color and atotal eclipse of the moon.
Okay, I would say that countsas a celestial phenomenon.

Travis (56:18):
Well, I got two right, you got one, I'm so sorry, it's
okay, I had already locked inLas Vegas.
Okay, so it was fine.
You didn't lead me to Las Vegas, I got myself there.
Yeah, you said loss and Ithought you said Los and then
you were just done Los Angeles,yeah.

Josh (56:36):
Okay, well, let's you know that we know nothing about this
, which is really excitingbecause we get to learn
something new.

Travis (56:42):
Yeah, plus it's Sky Battles, so that just sounds rad
.

Josh (56:45):
Yeah, I might be in full cosplay for this episode when we
record this.

Travis (56:50):
Yeah, we'll make sure that those pictures end up on
our Instagram.

Josh (56:54):
Yeah, well, thank you for listening.
We appreciate you and we'reexcited to go on this journey
with you with sky battles nextnext episode.

Travis (57:05):
Yeah, what a time to be alive.
Yeah, and 1566 yeah all right.

Josh (57:10):
Well, have a great rest of your life until this next one
uh, we should do our thank yous.

Travis (57:16):
Who do we thank our researcher jordan?
Yeah, our researcher, ourcomposer jordan, our graphic
designer, our lord and saviorjordan yeah, thank you, jordan
the alpha and the omega jordan.
Yep, as far as this podcast isconcerned, our quiz master
jordan quiz master.
Jordan who else?
What else did jordan do?

Josh (57:37):
she is the mother of my children.

Travis (57:39):
The mother of your children, jordan.
Thank you, thank you, jordan.

Josh (57:42):
And she's just really cool and funny and smart and pretty
and hopefully this gives meenough kudos to have a nice
evening with her sometime.

Travis (57:50):
Whoa.

Josh (57:53):
Yeah, not like that.
What a saucy end to thispodcast you dirty boy, whoa,
okay.

Travis (57:59):
Well, there you go.
Think of that.

Josh (58:00):
Yep, we'll end there.
All right, I'll talk to youguys later.
Okay, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye,bye, bye.