March 28, 2025 • 43 mins
Men in Black: Are they real, or just a government-sized urban legend?
This week, we're diving deep into the shadowy world of the MIB, exploring their creepy encounters, vanishing coins, and why they always seem to know your deepest secrets.
Get ready for a wild ride through conspiracy, close-up magic, and the ultimate question: Who's watching the watchers?
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Josh (00:03):
Aliens Aliens, yes.
Travis (00:09):
But maybe no.
Welcome to the show.
Aliens, yes, but maybe Men inBlack.
I'm Travis and I'm Josh.
This is an otherworldly podcast, as ambiguous as our title.
Josh (00:33):
Which you didn't say.
You didn't say our title.
Travis (00:36):
Yeah, I said aliens yes, but maybe no.
Josh (00:38):
You said aliens yes or men in black?
Travis (00:41):
Yeah, I kind of gave it away.
What we're going to be talkingabout today, I think men in
black.
Josh (00:49):
I'm just going to let this discussion take us wherever
it's going to take us, because Ithink it's interesting.
It is interesting.
There's I mean, there's a lotto it.
I want it to be true.
Okay, men in black.
What are they?
Who are they?
We all heard of them.
Yeah, did we hear about itbefore the movie came out?
Did we know?
Travis (01:02):
I mean there was a comic and I was aware of the comic,
okay, I read the comic and thenthe.
The movie is based on that, butthe comic was based on some of
these experiences that we'regoing to talk about today.
I don't know if I'm coming in.
Can you hear me okay?
Josh (01:14):
oh yeah, I can hear you, but anytime someone mentions a
comic they kind of sound like adouchebag no, they don't I read
the comic before a lot of peoplea lot of their eyes glaze over
Thor's paperback Spider-Man,edition 2.
I don't know.
I've never read a comic.
I've read the comics and thenewspaper.
It's the same thing it'ssimilar.
Travis (01:33):
Those are all comics that are in syndication that,
like Garfield, you can buyactual Garfield comics.
I'm a nerd and I like most ofnerd culture, except D&D, fuck
D&D.
Josh (01:44):
I actually am very intrigued by D&D.
I've done a few intro games.
Seems like it'd be really funwith the right group of people.
Travis (01:53):
I'm going to walk back.
The fuck.
D&d, d&d is the part of nerdculture that has always been too
nerdy for me, and I don't saythat in a disparaging way.
I mean, I'm already a big dork.
Josh (02:06):
You'd just be ruined Getting into something like that
.
Travis (02:08):
It would totally consume my life.
And so, like, since I know whatI know about myself, it like
incorporates two things, whichis like theatrics that I love,
and then fantasy those twothings I love very much.
And I'm afraid that if I wereto get into D&D and I've got
friends that are like their bigD&D what do you call them?
Heads, d&d-ers?
Yeah, their big D&D-ers andI've seen what it does to their
(02:31):
life Totally destroys it.
Josh (02:33):
I know people who are really big into it and it hasn't
destroyed it, but it's a bigpart of their life.
Travis (02:36):
My friends have been playing D&D next to a dumpster.
Josh (02:40):
That is not true.
Yes, you just made that up.
They lost custody of their kids.
Travis (02:45):
No yeah, they had cleared the bar, poor lawyers.
Then, because of some thingsthey said in a D&D campaign,
they were disbarred.
Josh (02:52):
What the heck is going on right now.
Are you?
I'm serious, you're serious?
Yeah, this sounds insane.
Travis (02:58):
It's insane.
D&d consumes your life, ruinsit 100%.
Every time, every time it willJust once, yeah, just once.
And that's why I say D&D, noteven once.
Yep, what a great introductionto Men in Black, the topic of
our conversation today.
Josh (03:14):
Oh, comics yeah, you read the comics before.
Is Men in Black something thatwe would have known before
there's any cultural orentertainment access?
I mean yes, Was it a popularmyth in school or in?
Travis (03:29):
the workplace.
I mean, do they teach this inschool about the men in black?
Or now we're going to cover themen in black.
Josh (03:33):
I mean like recess gossip, like the Marilyn Manson thing.
Travis (03:38):
You're going to have to explain to me what the Marilyn
Manson thing is.
Josh (03:41):
As we all know, somehow in the 90s marilyn manson removed
one of his ribs or two of us,two of his lower ribs, uh, so
that he could fillet himself?
Travis (03:52):
yes, but he's also paul from the wonder yes, I've heard
that too.
Josh (03:56):
Yeah, and every kid in every school in the entire
country heard that knew about it.
There was no internet.
We don't know how it spread.
Yeah, was men in black,something like that, like people
like I didn't, wasn't aware ofmen in black.
Travis (04:08):
You know, as a kid that doesn't mean that my finger
wasn't on the pulse, because itwasn't, yeah, you know of what
was popular back then.
I wouldn't mean I was a comicclarinet playing, briefcase
holding.
I didn't have a, I didn't havea briefcase.
I did have a bag and I wouldwear what is essentially like a
three-piece suit where I'd weara vest, a nice button-up shirt
and like a jacket.
Josh (04:29):
So anyone listening to this and if you've heard any of
the past episodes when Travis iscalling you weird, the epitome
of cool.
You don't need to listen to him, or do you?
Did you own a trench coat?
Travis (04:41):
No, never wore a trench coat.
Josh (04:42):
Did you own a trench coat?
No, never wore a trench coat Inthe rain to keep your zoot suit
crisp.
Travis (04:46):
I did want to have a zoot suit.
For a brief period I wasactually in a swing dance group
called Swing Kids and we didthink about getting zootsies,
but we thought that was tooweird.
Josh (04:57):
Hmm, that's a good call.
Yeah, so yeah, men in Black.
I hope everything that we hearis real.
I want it to be real.
I want, sure, I want this morethan anything.
Travis (05:07):
Uh, you want men in black to be real.
You want people to come to yourhouse and tell you don't do
things I would.
And then do some up close magicat you.
Josh (05:15):
I would.
I would love that.
I don't think I would be afraid, I think I would.
Travis (05:20):
All descriptions of the men in black sound terrifying to
me, but no one's been harmed.
That I've read.
Josh (05:26):
there have been threats, though yeah, empty, empty, no
alien threats with beautifullips, that's.
Travis (05:35):
That is the thing, is the beautiful?
Josh (05:37):
lips.
Yeah, that's how they get you.
Travis (05:40):
Yeah, that's how they get in the door.
Josh (05:41):
You just get lost in those red lips so, yeah, it's a myth,
it's a legend, its existencemay or may not be true, just
because it's been firsthandexperiences most of the time,
which is.
Travis (05:55):
Much of what we've talked about on this podcast is
firsthand experiences.
Yeah, there have been a fewconfirmations here and there of
like the government stepping in,saying like no, uaps are,
they're a thing, trust us,they're out there.
It's just we don't know whatthey are exactly, or do we?
Josh (06:10):
we don't know what this is all about.
We just have the stories andthe myths and legends and some
sighting stories all right.
Travis (06:19):
Well, let's uh, let's talk into the dossier a little
bit.
Early sightings harold dolls hehad an encounter in 1947 near
maury island, washington.
So this is something that I'veyou know reading through all
this information is that itdoesn't exist on one coast or
the other, or in just middleamerica.
This is like these accountshave been pretty broad,
(06:40):
worldwide, like nothing thatI've read and I'm just a dumb
just spread.
I'm just, I'm just a dumb idiotlike I don't.
They say that romans have hadencounters with like uaps, but
as far as like the men in blackare concerned, the first
documented incidents of thathappened in 1947 with harold
doll.
It involved a man in a blacksuit warning him to stay silent
(07:02):
about a UFO sighting.
So he was out on a lake fishingand he saw three donut-shaped
things in the sky.
One fell and killed a dog andhis son got hurt somehow, and so
shortly after the men in blackshowed up and they threatened
him into silence.
His partner, gray Barker, wrotea book called they Knew Too
Much, which further solidifiedthe MIB as figures of secrecy
(07:25):
and intimidation within theufology community.
So that has been debunked,though that is a myth.
He has retracted his statementsthere.
Wow, and that was one of thefirst.
Yeah, and so this wholemovement, that the men in black
exist.
Their etymology was thisincident that was fake.
Josh (07:45):
But what if the Men in Black came back?
After he talked about the Menin Black and told them we're
serious?
Travis (07:51):
Good job.
You did a good job by redactingit.
Now we're going to keep you andyour family alive.
Josh (07:56):
Sure, you can speculate that I could do that?
Travis (07:57):
Yeah, how do we know?
The Men in Black didn't come inhere and tell you hey, travis
is coming over, make sure youwear pants.
And now I show up and you'renot wearing pants.
Maybe they came and said no, nopants is a good thing, because
I do what I want.
Yeah Well, so does this guy, sodoes everybody.
But then something changedwhere he took back what he
wanted.
(08:18):
But to speculate that somebodyhad said the men in black came
and told him not to say, that is, I think, silly well, just
keeping my options open.
You know, we're just optionsopen that they exist and closing
all other options I have noagenda.
Josh (08:32):
Okay.
So he came out, confessed itwas a hoax.
Yeah, you're saying that thismay have been the foundation for
future narratives it was.
Travis (08:40):
This is considered the first men in black sighting.
There weren't previous men inblack sightings I mean, it could
be two things.
Josh (08:46):
It could be aliens Some of the descriptions they have of
these creatures are veryalien-like or it could be the
new government programs thathave just come in, because these
are now funded secret programs.
But there's more and theyevolve.
It's not just a simple men inblack, not someone you'd see in
(09:07):
New York walking down the streetin a suit, but it also could be
that it could be I mean, thisguy didn't say what they look
like other than just men inblack suits, right?
Travis (09:16):
I mean, that's the whole reason why they're called men
in black is because this firstincident, we wouldn't say this
is the first sighting of men inblack.
Had they not shown up being menin black, they would be men in
purple or aliens in G-strings.
Josh (09:32):
Oh what is a leotard, but a full-bodied G-string?
Travis (09:35):
That's true.
Yeah, it all goes right intoyour butt.
Josh (09:37):
Yeah, I wanted to talk about how they looked, but there
are a couple other accounts andsightings, like the Bender
incident.
So albert k bender, a prominentufologist in the 50s, claimed
that his ufo research wasstopped because of three men in
black and they threatened himinto silence.
It's all detailed in his book,which was published in 1956,
(10:02):
called they knew too much aboutflying saucers.
So the first one that you weretalking about with harold doll,
that was 47, this was in the 50s.
Yeah, this is yep.
Just a couple years later.
And I mean books were big inthe 50s, reading was getting
very prominent.
The literacy rate was going uplike crazy because their schools
(10:24):
same thing with like music ormovies.
You know there wasn't a millionbands, there wasn't a million
movies.
I mean, what was there wasthere?
So when a book comes out,people are going to be reading
it.
So let's talk about what theseguys look like, okay they look
very cool.
Travis (10:40):
This is the last suit they're gonna wear, and the only
difference between one man inblack and another man in black
is they make this shit look good.
Josh (10:51):
After these encounters, there's been hundreds and
thousands of differentencounters.
There's been a couple ofpictures, a few videos.
Travis (11:00):
One video.
There's one video that we sawand then there's one
photographic evidence of whatthey claim to be a man in black,
but it could just be somebodywearing a suit standing on a
corner.
So the thing that I have pickedup on a lot of this is that
these people see something andthen they get paranoid about it
and they think that noweverything they do and say is
(11:24):
going to jeopardize their safety.
They're looking for reasons toback that up.
There was one account ofsomebody who said somebody had
broken into their house and theyjust assumed that was a man in
black.
And they're looking for stuffwhen it could have just been a
home invasion type thing.
Josh (11:39):
They could have just got burgled.
Travis (11:41):
Yeah, they could have been burgled.
Josh (11:42):
So, yeah, the accounts vary a lot how they're described
, the situations, what's saidbut there are some things that
are very common, like theirappearance.
I know you are very infatuatedwith how they look, travis.
Would you like to describe howthey look?
Travis (11:58):
yeah, uh, desperately, I've been waiting for this
chance.
Creepy, creepy, okay, back toyou, josh.
That's weird, because earlieryou were saying beautiful
Off-putting, I would say UncannyValley, like close enough to
human but far enough away thatit's a little unsettling.
Josh (12:15):
Yeah, I would say, like a dolphin pretending to be a human
.
Travis (12:19):
Yeah, because they're hairless, waxy skin.
But doesn't that just soundinsane to describe Like?
if that was the case, it wouldbe a huge thing, but the
accounts are like oh no, I wasalone, I was in my house.
Some of them are preceded by aphone call.
These visits to somebody'shouse, and they ask them
(12:39):
outright well, are you at homealone?
And if they say yes, thensuddenly there's somebody at
their door.
Why hasn't somebody just lied?
If they are aware of the men inblack and know that they only
visit when they're alone, whynot lie or set up a camera to?
Josh (12:52):
capture it, yeah, and why aren't?
In today's age, there's aridiculous amount of cameras.
Travis (12:59):
Well, and that's another thing that I wanted to talk
about, you see a lot of theseaccounts drop off very steeply
after dan akroyd's experience.
What in like 2002 so not a lotof men in black sightings have
happened since the advent oflike modern day cameras or what
happened?
Josh (13:14):
or the anachroidon in o2?
Travis (13:16):
he had been working on a show.
He had like 26 episodes thathe'd recorded.
They were, I guess, recordingthe series finale or the season
finale.
None of them have been aired.
Like accounts of the story seema little weird, like why would
you have 26 episodes in the?
Can I say that to you and me,who have 26 episodes of this
show and we haven't released any?
(13:36):
But why would you have as danakroyd have 26 episodes recorded
and none of them released?
Josh (13:41):
well, I do everything dan akroyd does know.
Travis (13:44):
So he had been recording the show, not released anything
yet he was still in talks withthe head of the SyFy network.
What you hear is that the headof that network was hoping for
something else from the show.
They got Dan Aykroyd to be onthe show.
They thought it was going to bemore comedy-based.
Dan Aykroyd was really lookingto explore some of his more
(14:08):
niche hobbies, which wasexploring the existence of ufos
yeah, he was into a lot of thespiritual stuff too, and yeah so
the the reason that he wasoutside very some say he was out
having a smoke break, otherssay he was getting a call from
britney spears or on the phonewith Britney Spears which I
think is silly, but the accountsare all about the same is that
(14:30):
there was a black sedan that hadjust appeared across the street
that he didn't notice before.
He saw somebody in the driver'sseat and then somebody appeared
outside of the car and was meanmugging him.
He turned for a second and whenhe looked back to see if the
car was still there, it was allgone.
He said there's no way that itcould have passed without him
knowing it.
But also, like it's Dan Aykroyd, he could have been pulled in a
(14:53):
you know a hundred differentdirections.
It's New York city, downtownNew York.
There's a lot going on.
He could have been talking tosomebody for longer than he
thought he was and when heturned back around, the car was
gone.
Josh (15:04):
Yeah, it could have been two separate things two separate
things.
Travis (15:08):
It was just a driver of like a hired car, like a town
car.
Josh (15:11):
Yeah.
Travis (15:12):
And standing outside and saw Dan Aykroyd and was like
maybe squinting at him to see oh, he should.
That looks like.
Josh (15:22):
Dan Aykroyd it If you make eye contact with anyone in New
York, you're going to get meanmugged Sure, or nice mugged.
Maybe New Yorkers aren't knownto be the friendliest people.
Travis (15:32):
Yeah, or just mugged.
I found New Yorkers to be very,very welcoming to us, oh cool.
They were very kind and veryblunt and I appreciated that Not
one of them were mean or cruel,which I experience a lot more
here, just like mean andcruelness, than I did when I was
in New York Interesting.
Josh (15:52):
Yeah, I imagine the East Coast people are too busy to be
mean.
Yeah, Over here we have a lotof time on the West Coast to
fester, just soaking up thoserays, that Western sun.
Travis (16:04):
That's a weird story and it happened to everybody's
favorite Ghostbuster, danAykroyd.
Josh (16:10):
What happened after he saw the guy?
He just disappeared.
He just disappeared, yeah, andthe show got canceled.
The show got canceled.
Two hours later he said and hethinks it was related he feels
it's related.
Travis (16:22):
yes, Nobody else felt that way.
They said it was creativedifferences.
Josh (16:25):
I mean I don't want to get stuck on Danny Aykroyd, but did
he say that the guy lookedweird Like no eyebrows, no,
because that's kind of whatpeople have been saying yeah of
what people have been sayingyeah, they no, he was across the
street looking he was just in asuit and in a, in a car and he
appeared and disappeared justmiraculously.
Travis (16:43):
He was there and gone, okay, in the blink of an eye so
that leads us to behavior.
So we know how they look,naturally they're just weird
yeah, creepy, they speak in amonotone like a monotonous voice
.
Big uh they're yep big.
Josh (16:59):
In the video we saw of the two guys walking into the hotel
it looked like a kid on a kid'sshoulder, wearing a sure they
were just trying to get into aclub yeah, that's what it looked
like yeah, I actually couldn'treally tell because the
perspective was hard.
Travis (17:15):
There was one other person that was in the like
those two doors that separatethe outside yeah, the outside
from the inside, and they passedthrough those doors so quick.
I didn't really get a goodchance to look and see how, if
they weren't that much biggerthan that hotel worker yeah, and
we couldn't see their facebecause we're wearing hats and
(17:35):
sunglasses but they came inlooking for the owner of the
hotel and the head of securitybecause those two people had
reported seeing like a triangleor spaceship outside of their
upper floors.
Josh (17:49):
Yeah.
So these guys, they walk in inmost of these situations and are
very intimidating, like they'rejust straight up trying to
alpha you.
Travis (18:01):
they act as though they have authority yeah, they'll
often show badges that saysecurity on it oh really, or a
version of that.
Yep, they'll say interesting,no name though, and they refer
to each other by number.
Weird, so kind of like in menin black, where their names get
reduced down to the, the firstletter, like j and k, very
(18:22):
similar to that where you'relike one, two, two hundred yeah,
so no names, yeah, numbers verysecretive sure, naturally but
with that secret behavior, theyalso know a lot of information
about you personal information,personal information which is
wild.
So in one of the early instanceswhere a piece of metal was
(18:42):
found, they're like you need togo get me that motherfucking
metal right now.
No more motherfucking metal inyour motherfucking house.
And so that is very scarybecause the reports will say
like how did they know that Ihad salvaged this piece of metal
?
I didn't tell anybody, I didn'teven tell my partner, and
that's most of these encounters.
Josh (18:59):
It's just like I was alone in the woods and I saw this.
How come you're here telling menot to tell anyone about it?
Yeah, but.
Travis (19:05):
I just think that that's very convenient them being
alone and then told not to tellabout it, and then they tell
about it, but they're told notto tell about it, so so that
like compounds the myth, andpeople and that is what I think
peaks everybody's curiosity islike oh shit, this guy is like a
whistleblower on his ownpersonal experience and it's
telling the world what happenedto him specifically, and then
(19:25):
he's being silenced by peoplethat we don't even know exist.
But we're going to have to takehis account.
Josh (19:30):
Yeah, it is bizarre because I mean having thousands
of these encounters and peoplecoming forward with them.
They're all doing the exactopposite of what these men in
black are telling them to not do.
Travis (19:45):
They're all saying don't talk about this.
And so what do they do?
They write a book about it.
Josh (19:49):
It's strange If there are UFOs or something like that.
I imagine that these people arepretty high strung.
If you see something, you'regonna have those pins and
needles.
Your senses are going to be alittle more enhanced.
You're going to have a littlebit of I'm being watched feeling
.
Travis (20:06):
Yeah, yeah you're gonna be sus, you're gonna have a
general sense of sus sussery.
Yeah, paranoidanoid.
Josh (20:14):
That's the word.
Travis (20:15):
Yeah, yeah, I only say that like five times an episode,
but you are.
If you claim to have seensomething, then anything that
happens after that, especiallyif you're like in a heightened
sense, you're going to attributeto that Like the whole world
revolves around you.
So you're going to look ateverything that way.
Yeah, like we were talkingabout before the show.
(20:37):
Everybody's favorite topic totalk about is themselves and
they're going to think thateverything that happened to them
is actually part of a worldwideconspiracy, when it may have
just been an owl in a tree thatlooked like the flat bush
monster or whatever.
Josh (20:51):
I was watching a TV show recently where they were going
in and talking to people andthey're coming forward with some
of their stories and almostevery person that these two
people were talking to that hadthese encounters.
One of the main questions theyasked was why me?
Why am I special?
Why did they come to me?
(21:11):
It's just like like it's notbecause of you.
Travis (21:15):
You were picked.
If it did happen to you, it was100 random yeah no, nothing
about you especially.
You're just somebody out in thewoods.
You happen to be isolated atthe time of this, whatever it
was yeah, and if you'relistening and you had an
encounter and you thought youwere special.
Josh (21:31):
I think you're special for other reasons, yeah, but not
for experiencing.
Travis (21:36):
You've got great red lips and a very waxy skin and I
love that hat and suit that youdecided to put on.
Very demure, veryuncharacteristic of you.
Josh (21:44):
Very demure, yeah so some of the tactics that these men in
black use when they come theythreaten them gonna kill you
yeah, or your family members,like.
Travis (21:53):
One incidence was uh, it was basically like you have a
very pretty wife.
It would be a shame ifsomething were to happen to her.
Josh (22:02):
So they do threats, they do, they intimidate a lot.
Yeah, they do up close magicSurveillance.
Maybe there's been someinstances of memory wiping.
Travis (22:13):
Sure A neuralyzer.
Josh (22:15):
Yeah, some accounts suggest that there's more
sinister actions, likedisappearances of people or
destruction of evidence or, likeyou said, burgled, yeah,
burgled their turrets, yeah, andI think magic up, up close
magic.
Travis (22:32):
I think it was bender.
They showed up at his house,they showed him a penny.
The penny went from coppercolored to silver colored to
blue and then dematerialized.
And they're like huh, do youbelieve us now?
Now, don't talk to anybody.
And he's like yeah, man, youmade a penny disappear,
incredible yeah, that was drherbert hopkins.
Josh (22:52):
He was a researcher.
He claimed that a man in ablack suit visited him.
Confirmed details about thecase he was investigating.
Travis (22:58):
This was the one that they called ahead of time right,
Called ahead of time to makesure he was home alone and then
turned on his outside porchlight and as he was doing that,
he saw somebody outside of hishouse walking up the steps.
Josh (23:10):
I don't know, okay, but what I do know is they knew what
he was investigating, yeah, andthey made a coin vanish as a
scare tactic yeah, I know, Iknow, I know and warned him to
destroy all his related files.
So this is 1976.
Magic stores were popping atthis time.
Yeah, this is like.
Travis (23:31):
It was huge.
Mandrake the Magician wasaround at this time, a magician
that my dad really liked.
I think Doctor Strange came outat about this time in the
comics world.
Josh (23:40):
Yeah, magic was happening.
You could get magic tricks inthe back of comic books.
Some serial prizes were magictricks.
I mean, this was all outside ofhand.
Yeah, and spies were super big.
Travis (23:52):
Spies were big, like all through the 80s.
I remember reading in the backof comics I actually ordered a
pair of sunglasses that allowedyou to see behind you, so like
in the little corners it waslike oh, the mirrors, yeah, yeah
I had a pair of those.
Okay, they sucked.
Oh yeah, all of them.
They were terrible.
All you got was like the sideof your face and your ear, but
the idea of it was so cool andyou it was it like fed that
(24:15):
paranoia that somebody wasalways like sneaking up on you,
so you ordered it.
Did you put the money in theenvelope like coins, like a
check, a check, yeah wow, okay,my parents wrote a check and
then they we put it in anenvelope and we mailed it away
so yeah, when I heard about thisguy's story with the coin, I
laughed out loud.
Josh (24:35):
It's funny.
I thought it was it very funny.
Travis (24:37):
It's up close magic, it's just really funny.
But imagine like a David Blainetype character back then, or a
Criss Angel, a mind freak.
He would be killed, yeah, hewould be thrown into a lake with
rocks tied around his head orburned to the stake as a witch,
and he probably would haveescaped.
He would if he would have setthe whole thing up of set the
(24:57):
whole thing up.
Josh (24:57):
Yeah, when I first read this I thought just the coin
behind the ear, disappearingthing.
But researching a bit more,there was a copper penny and it
started turning silver and thengreen and fuzzy and then it
disappeared in front of them.
No, no hand movement is whatyou described.
Travis (25:09):
Right, but it was just him that was there, so it's just
his accounting.
A lot of these accounts, I feltlike the game of telephone, and
when people stop payingattention to how outrageous the
story is because maybe they'veheard it before or they've heard
parts of the story, you'regoing to start amping it up to
get people's attention.
So eventually you're like, ohmy God, no way.
Josh (25:29):
Well, and we've talked about people do that with their
own memories too.
People do that False memoriesare created that way.
Where it just slowly, over time, it's skewed slightly to where
all these small skews turn intoa completely different story.
Travis (25:41):
Yeah, you tripped over a sidewalk and suddenly you got
pushed out of a second storywindow.
Josh (25:46):
Yeah, but that Dr Hopkins account kind of highlighted that
the men in black's ability toperform seemingly impossible
feats, and it focuses onsuppressing UFO related evidence
.
Travis (25:57):
This is scarier to me than any accounts I've heard
about abduction.
So, like the travis waltonthing, I didn't see fire in the
sky until I was like in my midto late teens, but that was a
terrifying movie.
That is not something I wanted.
I do not want that to exist.
Nobody wants to be.
It's just like a childabduction.
That is the worst possiblething that you you could live
(26:20):
through.
It's like having your kidstolen or being a child and
being taken.
And that was a thing in the 80s.
It's still a thing today.
Some of these accounts, youknow, could probably line up
with alien abduction.
They're like well, my kid wentmissing.
Well, there was a weird personbuzzing around our neighborhood
asking a bunch of questions.
That could have just been apedophile doing the same thing
(26:41):
and snatching kids or people orwhatever.
I'm not saying that the two arerelated.
I'm just saying that this ishow these myths get started.
Parts of them are based inreality, at least the reality as
far as these people areconcerned as far as these people
are concerned.
Josh (26:56):
Well, Bender's testimony that Albert Bender said he was
being silenced by the three menin black and he said that
they're from the planet Kazakh.
I don't know why the men inblack gave him that information.
Travis (27:06):
That's the thing, is you're right?
Why would they give him thatinformation?
Don't tell anybody about this,but here's all my personal
information I'm going to giveyou.
Josh (27:15):
Here's the last four digits of my social security
number.
Travis (27:16):
Here's all my personal information I'm going to give
you.
Here's the last four digits ofmy social security number.
Here's my address.
Why would they do that?
Josh (27:21):
Yeah, that's very strange.
Travis (27:22):
It is such a silly name for a planet.
Josh (27:25):
Yeah, it really is.
It sounds like a planet onDragon Ball Dragon.
Travis (27:30):
Ball.
Josh (27:30):
Z.
The hard part about this.
I want it to be true.
So bad.
There really is just noconcrete evidence.
No, it is myth and lore therecould be.
I'm sure there is a governmentorganization out there, I would
absolutely agree that there is.
Yeah, I mean it would be weirdif there wasn't.
Honestly, yeah, but with aliensI mean maybe, but I I just
(27:53):
don't believe that, sadly, Imean, the government would want
to conceal some of this to makeso there's not mass hysteria,
like just mass psychologicaleffects on people.
But they're still creating thatpsychological effect just on
individual levels.
Travis (28:08):
Okay, I know you want to believe, but let's talk about
just in sheer numbers, right.
As prevalent as UFO, uapsightings are, why aren't men in
black sightings as common asthat After somebody has spotted
a UFO or a UAP or whatever termyou want to use?
If they are supposed to show upafter every sighting, why don't
(28:30):
we have more accounts of men inblack showing up?
Josh (28:33):
Maybe because what the men in black are doing is working.
Travis (28:37):
But how is it working?
Josh (28:38):
We're still hearing about you're right you're right, and
it could be that they aren'tdoing it anymore.
Maybe it was a from this timeto this time, but now
civilization they've alreadycollected all their evidence.
Yeah, maybe civilization isready and we can handle
something, so there wouldn't bemass hysteria.
But you're right, I meanthere's places that you can go
in the world where you could seea UFO every night.
(28:59):
I mean there's tons of placeslike that where it's very, very,
very common.
The numbers don't make sense,like there should be the exact
amount of numbers.
Travis (29:09):
Yeah, it should correlate to the number of
sightings.
Josh (29:12):
Yeah.
Travis (29:12):
And with that correlation would come evidence.
You know people showing up.
You have a camera system infront of your up.
You have a camera system infront of your house.
I have a camera system in frontof my house.
We're not the only people onthe world that have cameras at
our house.
There are hundreds of thousandsof cameras out there.
If people were showing up tohouses, we would have documented
evidence of it.
Josh (29:31):
Yeah, the other thing I just thought of is Is this going
to be a hot take?
Oh, this is a hot take.
If there are multiple speciesof aliens, maybe there is a
species of aliens that was notsupposed to be somewhere at a
certain time, or something.
If they have an organizationschedule of their visits and
(29:54):
then they show up and someonesees them and they're like you
weren't supposed to see.
That, do you not tell?
Travis (29:58):
me, I was never here.
I was never here.
Yeah, exit stage left.
Josh (30:03):
It's not what I would say even though this topic has been
contested a lot, because there'snot a lot of proof and there's
a lot of funny things you wouldcall what whack jobs uh,
paranoid freaks.
Travis (30:15):
Paranoid freaks yeah, whack jobs, I'm sorry I
apologize, yeah me and myparanoid freaks are we're very
comfortable with how we refer toourselves.
Yeah, I get it.
Josh (30:24):
I mean each other, not ourselves just remember that's a
a zoot suit wanting briefcasebriefcase carrying middle school
businessman sweater, vest,owning middle school business
man bow ties yep with a clarinetin his backpack because he was
too embarrassed that peoplewould make fun of him.
That is me.
Travis (30:43):
That's who's making fun of you right now yeah, going
home to read my lord of therings so this whole topic still
captivates a lot of people.
It also kind of shines a littlebit of light on the paranoia
that people have with thegovernment and their secrecy
well and how, like theirunderstanding that government is
so big and it's a bigbureaucracy, of course there's
going to be these little likehidden pockets of people that
(31:06):
are pulling money in fromtaxpayers that are yeah, they're
trying to silence.
Government has no idea where allof our money is going, sure,
yeah, which is bonkers, becausethat's why calculators exist
yeah, I mean pete, yep, they'lllove that idea that there's like
these little pocket agenciesthat are sprung up just to
intimidate and make peopleafraid the cool thing about this
is that no one can be right orwrong.
Josh (31:28):
There's always going to be a debate because there isn't.
Travis (31:30):
That's like evidence.
That's like saying my versionof blue might be different than
your version of blue becauseyou're seeing through your eyes,
like your idea of blue could bered and your whole world could
look completely different to me.
But like I'm like, I'm notreally interested in going down
that road well, I'm just sayingthis.
Josh (31:46):
This debate will go on for a long time.
I'm not going down that road.
Geez, I was that took a darkturn, didn't take a dark turn.
It's just like I'm not tryingto manipulate you.
Travis (31:55):
It's like one of those annoying things Travis, you're
safe here, you're fine but it'sone of those things that people
will say like well, it can't not, not be true, but it can't be
true.
Those two things can exist.
Like, yeah, they can exist,that's, that's fine.
There's a lot out there that wedon't know.
Yeah, but just saying like itexists, because I don't think
the government is using theirfunds properly or whatever,
(32:17):
because it's silly to me.
Josh (32:19):
Well, I'm just saying the lack of evidence is going to
make it so that this debate isaround for a very long time,
which will make it always one ofthe bigger topics in the
unexplained phenomena realm.
Sure, which is cool.
You know, it's something weneeded to talk about, we needed
to dive in.
I don't think we'll know forsure.
I want it.
(32:40):
From what I hear like it couldbe something else.
It could be people.
Travis (32:47):
It could be a guy in a Hawaiian suit with too much
sunscreen on his face walking upto you and talking to you about
it.
It's probably not going to bemen in black, you about it,
which it's probably not going tobe men in black.
I would feel like if you weretrying to be as inconspicuous as
possible.
Why dress exactly the wayeverybody expects you to dress?
because they got some oldinformation about how we dressed
(33:08):
and weren't able to update itby just being out among people
and seeing that nobody wears asuit anymore, just casually.
Josh (33:16):
Yeah, I'm not going to speak for them, because I
believe that they should speakfor themselves, oh my God.
But I would like to think thebest of them.
Travis (33:25):
So this is just a plea to the alien overlords to not
bug you.
Please leave you alone.
Josh (33:31):
Okay, got it.
Yeah, I just want them to knowthat I care and come at me, all
right.
So yeah, if you guys have anystories I'd want to hear more,
you can get ahold of us.
Travis (33:44):
Sure, I would love.
I would love for you guys tosend us drawings of these men in
black that you've seen.
I think that is more helpfulthan pictures.
I want to see a drawing.
I want to see somebody'sartistic interpretation of what
a man I'd be down with that.
Josh (34:05):
I'd frame that.
Yeah, I'd frame it.
Yeah, put it on a shirt.
Yeah, if you guys have uh anyfeedback or insults, don't
bother.
Travis (34:07):
Uh, you can, you can send us whatever you want.
Josh (34:08):
We never learned how to read jokes on you.
Yeah, we're gonna go into aquiz okay, very, very exciting.
Travis (34:14):
What the fuck is this?
I've never even heard of this.
Josh (34:18):
I don't know.
Our researcher would not tellme any information.
Travis (34:21):
Rendlesham.
Josh (34:22):
Forest, yeah, so next week we're going to talk about
Rendlesham Forest because of Arewe saying that right, or is it
Rendlesham Good?
I don't know when is it located.
Travis (34:34):
Oh see, so here we go.
Josh (34:36):
No, don't scroll ahead.
This is the issue that lasttime I think it's friendless on
because I scrolled ahead we weresent this quiz while we were
recording, so travis couldn't doresearch like he did last time.
I asked what we were gonna betalking about, what the quiz is
about, and was told noinformation.
Travis (34:55):
So because you can't even be trusted around me I
can't.
Josh (34:59):
I mean, it's kind of fun, though, not knowing what we're
going to talk about.
Travis (35:02):
Yeah, so this is going to be our baseline quiz.
This is my nightmare, thoughNot being prepared.
Josh (35:09):
This is what we're going to talk about next episode.
We are going to take a quiz tofigure out what we know, so that
you know that we actually don'tknow anything, right?
Yes, typical end of the showquiz.
Yep, how are we going to dothis?
Travis (35:23):
I'll just read the questions and then we both
answer your answer.
Josh (35:25):
I'll give mine and then we'll submit the quiz and we'll
kind of go over and see howgreat we did, okay.
So first question what year didthe?
Now you got me all worriedabout the pronunciation.
Travis (35:40):
That's fine.
We can always fix that in theedit.
It'll just be like what yeardid the correct pronunciation
forest incident occur?
Josh (35:48):
yeah, so what year did the rendlesham?
Rendlesham, I'm gonna sayrendlesham rendlesham.
Travis (35:54):
You can say rendlesham too.
That's the both, I'm sure.
Josh (35:58):
Well, you know what this is already proving?
Travis (36:01):
how Contentious.
Josh (36:02):
When you listen to the next episode, we will have the
correct pronunciation.
So when did this Rendleshamforest UFO incident occur?
Okay, so it's a UFO incident.
Okay, is it A 1953, b 1971, c1980, or D 1999?
I mean, that sounds like a 70sforest, so I'm gonna say 1971.
(36:25):
I'm going with 1980 okay, whereis rendall's sham?
Travis (36:31):
I did both you're doing every pronunciation, that's fine
where is this forest located?
Josh (36:37):
is it a scotland, b massachusetts, c england or d
australia?
Travis (36:44):
I'm gonna say scotland because it sounds like something
out of a arthurian, I'm gonnasay england similarly okay I
guess england is a little morearthurian right.
Yeah, but you didn't have to befrom england to become the king
of england.
There have been scots that havebeen king of england and okay.
Josh (37:02):
Next question what military branch was involved in
the forests incident?
A army, b marines, c navy or dair force?
I'm saying navy, I'm gonna sayair force.
No, I'm gonna say navy too,because the navy's seems to be a
little more transparent when itcomes to talking about this
(37:25):
stuff.
The Air Force is the one that'sjust like nope, nothing here.
Travis (37:28):
Same with the Army.
They're all grunts anyway.
Oh careful.
And the Marines are prettytight lipped.
Josh (37:33):
Yeah.
Travis (37:33):
And they don't have Marines in the UK.
They have.
Whatever, they have their ownversion of it.
Josh (37:37):
Mariners, yeah, mariners own version of it mariners, yeah
, mariners.
Next question what was thealleged shape of the
unidentified object witnessed inrendall's ham forest?
A circular, b, triangular, c,saucer or d diamond.
Travis (37:55):
What's the difference between circular and saucer?
Josh (37:58):
a saucer would be like two saucers put together, like two
lids, and a circular would belike two saucers put together
like two lids and a circularwould be like a Frisbee.
Travis (38:04):
Yeah, I'm going to say triangle, I'm going to say
diamond.
Josh (38:08):
Oh, that's fancy.
So next question which of thefollowing is not considered a
possible explanation for theincident by skeptics?
A, a hoax.
Travis (38:19):
Okay, okay.
I just want to be clear.
Which of the following is notconsidered a possible
explanation for the incident byskeptics?
I just wanted to be clear in myown head what the question was
asking.
So skeptics people that don'tbelieve this happened, this is
something that they're notconsidering, that it is.
Is that correct?
Is that, like a correctrewording of that is not
(38:41):
considered a possibleexplanation by skeptics?
So people that don't believe init already, they're not
thinking about this.
They're not thinking, yeah, Iguess they're not.
I don't know.
This is not a thing that theywould say, well, let's look at
the yeah, let's look at theanswers.
Josh (38:59):
So A a lighthouse, or D a weather balloon.
Travis (39:04):
Not considered.
Josh (39:08):
Which of the following is not considered a possible
explanation.
Travis (39:09):
This feels like a trick question.
Does Now I have to think about?
Like, what does Jordan knowabout us?
Is she setting us up forsomething that is going to
totally embarrass us?
So we're going to say the wrongthing.
I'm going to say hoax.
I'm going to say hoax, I'mgoing to say a lighthouse?
Josh (39:23):
I'm still not completely grasping the question.
Travis (39:27):
Yeah, so of all these things, skeptics don't consider
the Rendlesham incident to havebeen a lighthouse A lighthouse.
I'm going to say a weather.
Actually, I'm going to takehoax back and say a weather
balloon.
Josh (39:48):
I think the hoax was thrown in there just so I would
pick it.
So I'm on to you, jordan.
Yeah, last question a sergeantreported receiving a telepathic
message in which language?
A binary code, b klingon, cmorse code or d latin?
Travis (39:59):
this is so silly because these are all like Earth-based
languages, like Klingon istotally made up.
Binary may be a universal code,because it's computer language,
but that's invented here.
Yeah, this is the kind of thing, man, that makes me Grinds your
goat.
Yeah, it does.
It really grinds that goat up.
(40:19):
Okay, I'm going to say, say Idon't want to say the wildest
thing on here, which would beklingon.
Yeah, that'd be crazy, yeah I'mgonna say binary.
Okay, that's what I'm gonna saytoo.
I'm gonna say binary that's.
Josh (40:32):
That's a rough one.
I'm very curious.
Travis (40:34):
But how do you get a telepathic message in binary?
It's just like one zero, zero,zero, zero, one, one, one, one,
one, one, one, one, one, one one.
Yeah, okay, now that I say thatout loud, I'm like, yeah, I can
totally understand it.
Josh (40:46):
So that's weird.
Well, we're gonna find all thisout.
We're gonna know everythingabout this forest.
Travis (40:52):
Okay, so submit yep, I submitted.
Josh (40:54):
I'm gonna view for accuracy.
Uh, you were right.
The incident occurred in 1980.
I said 71.
Oh my gosh, it was located inEngland, not.
Travis (41:06):
Scotland Got it.
Josh (41:08):
It was the Navy, that was the military, I don't know.
Triangular.
Travis (41:14):
Got it, weather balloon Got it, binary Got it, you got
100%.
Holy shit you cheated.
Maybe this 100%.
Holy shit you cheated.
Maybe this is my new tactic,Like don't do any research.
Maybe I'm a secret genius.
Josh (41:30):
Or you too received a telepathic binary message.
Yeah, but I don't understandbinary.
Travis (41:37):
I mean Latin.
Sure, everybody understandsLatin.
This is incredible.
This is like the greatestmoment of my life.
That's crazy.
Josh (41:43):
Don't tell my kids.
So it was not a diamond, it wasa triangle, it was not a
lighthouse.
Travis (41:51):
It was a weather balloon .
I'm glad I redacted my hoax andsaid weather balloon and then
it was binary, so I only got twocorrect man this feels good.
This is probably like what goldmedalists feel.
No, I think this is better.
Well, I'm really happy for you.
This is better.
Wow, I feel incredible.
Right now I could take on amoose.
Josh (42:12):
Well, I'm excited to find out what all this is about Me
too.
Travis (42:18):
Sounds like you're halfway there.
I'm already bookmarking.
Josh (42:19):
I don't even think you need to do any research.
Travis (42:20):
I'm already bookmarking websites right now trying to
figure this out.
Josh (42:25):
Yeah.
So thank you for listening andbeing a part of this, and we are
excited for you to hear thenext episode as much as we're
excited to learn about it.
So until next time, keepdreaming, right?
No, stop bookmarking, don'tHold on, hold on.
You're going to know so muchstuff.
Rendlesham forest, rendlesham,rendlesham forest.
(42:47):
Okay, rendlesham, rendlesham.
I think I got it correct, atleast once.
Travis (42:52):
Yeah, I said yeah, that was Rendlesham.
Josh (42:56):
Okay, well, thank you everyone for listening.
Until next time.
Travis (42:59):
Okay, bye, bye.
Aliens Aliens, yes.
Travis (00:09):
But maybe no.
Welcome to the show.
Aliens, yes, but maybe Men inBlack.
I'm Travis and I'm Josh.
This is an otherworldly podcast, as ambiguous as our title.
Josh (00:33):
Which you didn't say.
You didn't say our title.
Travis (00:36):
Yeah, I said aliens yes, but maybe no.
Josh (00:38):
You said aliens yes or men in black?
Travis (00:41):
Yeah, I kind of gave it away.
What we're going to be talkingabout today, I think men in
black.
Josh (00:49):
I'm just going to let this discussion take us wherever
it's going to take us, because Ithink it's interesting.
It is interesting.
There's I mean, there's a lotto it.
I want it to be true.
Okay, men in black.
What are they?
Who are they?
We all heard of them.
Yeah, did we hear about itbefore the movie came out?
Did we know?
Travis (01:02):
I mean there was a comic and I was aware of the comic,
okay, I read the comic and thenthe.
The movie is based on that, butthe comic was based on some of
these experiences that we'regoing to talk about today.
I don't know if I'm coming in.
Can you hear me okay?
Josh (01:14):
oh yeah, I can hear you, but anytime someone mentions a
comic they kind of sound like adouchebag no, they don't I read
the comic before a lot of peoplea lot of their eyes glaze over
Thor's paperback Spider-Man,edition 2.
I don't know.
I've never read a comic.
I've read the comics and thenewspaper.
It's the same thing it'ssimilar.
Travis (01:33):
Those are all comics that are in syndication that,
like Garfield, you can buyactual Garfield comics.
I'm a nerd and I like most ofnerd culture, except D&D, fuck
D&D.
Josh (01:44):
I actually am very intrigued by D&D.
I've done a few intro games.
Seems like it'd be really funwith the right group of people.
Travis (01:53):
I'm going to walk back.
The fuck.
D&d, d&d is the part of nerdculture that has always been too
nerdy for me, and I don't saythat in a disparaging way.
I mean, I'm already a big dork.
Josh (02:06):
You'd just be ruined Getting into something like that
.
Travis (02:08):
It would totally consume my life.
And so, like, since I know whatI know about myself, it like
incorporates two things, whichis like theatrics that I love,
and then fantasy those twothings I love very much.
And I'm afraid that if I wereto get into D&D and I've got
friends that are like their bigD&D what do you call them?
Heads, d&d-ers?
Yeah, their big D&D-ers andI've seen what it does to their
(02:31):
life Totally destroys it.
Josh (02:33):
I know people who are really big into it and it hasn't
destroyed it, but it's a bigpart of their life.
Travis (02:36):
My friends have been playing D&D next to a dumpster.
Josh (02:40):
That is not true.
Yes, you just made that up.
They lost custody of their kids.
Travis (02:45):
No yeah, they had cleared the bar, poor lawyers.
Then, because of some thingsthey said in a D&D campaign,
they were disbarred.
Josh (02:52):
What the heck is going on right now.
Are you?
I'm serious, you're serious?
Yeah, this sounds insane.
Travis (02:58):
It's insane.
D&d consumes your life, ruinsit 100%.
Every time, every time it willJust once, yeah, just once.
And that's why I say D&D, noteven once.
Yep, what a great introductionto Men in Black, the topic of
our conversation today.
Josh (03:14):
Oh, comics yeah, you read the comics before.
Is Men in Black something thatwe would have known before
there's any cultural orentertainment access?
I mean yes, Was it a popularmyth in school or in?
Travis (03:29):
the workplace.
I mean, do they teach this inschool about the men in black?
Or now we're going to cover themen in black.
Josh (03:33):
I mean like recess gossip, like the Marilyn Manson thing.
Travis (03:38):
You're going to have to explain to me what the Marilyn
Manson thing is.
Josh (03:41):
As we all know, somehow in the 90s marilyn manson removed
one of his ribs or two of us,two of his lower ribs, uh, so
that he could fillet himself?
Travis (03:52):
yes, but he's also paul from the wonder yes, I've heard
that too.
Josh (03:56):
Yeah, and every kid in every school in the entire
country heard that knew about it.
There was no internet.
We don't know how it spread.
Yeah, was men in black,something like that, like people
like I didn't, wasn't aware ofmen in black.
Travis (04:08):
You know, as a kid that doesn't mean that my finger
wasn't on the pulse, because itwasn't, yeah, you know of what
was popular back then.
I wouldn't mean I was a comicclarinet playing, briefcase
holding.
I didn't have a, I didn't havea briefcase.
I did have a bag and I wouldwear what is essentially like a
three-piece suit where I'd weara vest, a nice button-up shirt
and like a jacket.
Josh (04:29):
So anyone listening to this and if you've heard any of
the past episodes when Travis iscalling you weird, the epitome
of cool.
You don't need to listen to him, or do you?
Did you own a trench coat?
Travis (04:41):
No, never wore a trench coat.
Josh (04:42):
Did you own a trench coat?
No, never wore a trench coat Inthe rain to keep your zoot suit
crisp.
Travis (04:46):
I did want to have a zoot suit.
For a brief period I wasactually in a swing dance group
called Swing Kids and we didthink about getting zootsies,
but we thought that was tooweird.
Josh (04:57):
Hmm, that's a good call.
Yeah, so yeah, men in Black.
I hope everything that we hearis real.
I want it to be real.
I want, sure, I want this morethan anything.
Travis (05:07):
Uh, you want men in black to be real.
You want people to come to yourhouse and tell you don't do
things I would.
And then do some up close magicat you.
Josh (05:15):
I would.
I would love that.
I don't think I would be afraid, I think I would.
Travis (05:20):
All descriptions of the men in black sound terrifying to
me, but no one's been harmed.
That I've read.
Josh (05:26):
there have been threats, though yeah, empty, empty, no
alien threats with beautifullips, that's.
Travis (05:35):
That is the thing, is the beautiful?
Josh (05:37):
lips.
Yeah, that's how they get you.
Travis (05:40):
Yeah, that's how they get in the door.
Josh (05:41):
You just get lost in those red lips so, yeah, it's a myth,
it's a legend, its existencemay or may not be true, just
because it's been firsthandexperiences most of the time,
which is.
Travis (05:55):
Much of what we've talked about on this podcast is
firsthand experiences.
Yeah, there have been a fewconfirmations here and there of
like the government stepping in,saying like no, uaps are,
they're a thing, trust us,they're out there.
It's just we don't know whatthey are exactly, or do we?
Josh (06:10):
we don't know what this is all about.
We just have the stories andthe myths and legends and some
sighting stories all right.
Travis (06:19):
Well, let's uh, let's talk into the dossier a little
bit.
Early sightings harold dolls hehad an encounter in 1947 near
maury island, washington.
So this is something that I'veyou know reading through all
this information is that itdoesn't exist on one coast or
the other, or in just middleamerica.
This is like these accountshave been pretty broad,
(06:40):
worldwide, like nothing thatI've read and I'm just a dumb
just spread.
I'm just, I'm just a dumb idiotlike I don't.
They say that romans have hadencounters with like uaps, but
as far as like the men in blackare concerned, the first
documented incidents of thathappened in 1947 with harold
doll.
It involved a man in a blacksuit warning him to stay silent
(07:02):
about a UFO sighting.
So he was out on a lake fishingand he saw three donut-shaped
things in the sky.
One fell and killed a dog andhis son got hurt somehow, and so
shortly after the men in blackshowed up and they threatened
him into silence.
His partner, gray Barker, wrotea book called they Knew Too
Much, which further solidifiedthe MIB as figures of secrecy
(07:25):
and intimidation within theufology community.
So that has been debunked,though that is a myth.
He has retracted his statementsthere.
Wow, and that was one of thefirst.
Yeah, and so this wholemovement, that the men in black
exist.
Their etymology was thisincident that was fake.
Josh (07:45):
But what if the Men in Black came back?
After he talked about the Menin Black and told them we're
serious?
Travis (07:51):
Good job.
You did a good job by redactingit.
Now we're going to keep you andyour family alive.
Josh (07:56):
Sure, you can speculate that I could do that?
Travis (07:57):
Yeah, how do we know?
The Men in Black didn't come inhere and tell you hey, travis
is coming over, make sure youwear pants.
And now I show up and you'renot wearing pants.
Maybe they came and said no, nopants is a good thing, because
I do what I want.
Yeah Well, so does this guy, sodoes everybody.
But then something changedwhere he took back what he
wanted.
(08:18):
But to speculate that somebodyhad said the men in black came
and told him not to say, that is, I think, silly well, just
keeping my options open.
You know, we're just optionsopen that they exist and closing
all other options I have noagenda.
Josh (08:32):
Okay.
So he came out, confessed itwas a hoax.
Yeah, you're saying that thismay have been the foundation for
future narratives it was.
Travis (08:40):
This is considered the first men in black sighting.
There weren't previous men inblack sightings I mean, it could
be two things.
Josh (08:46):
It could be aliens Some of the descriptions they have of
these creatures are veryalien-like or it could be the
new government programs thathave just come in, because these
are now funded secret programs.
But there's more and theyevolve.
It's not just a simple men inblack, not someone you'd see in
(09:07):
New York walking down the streetin a suit, but it also could be
that it could be I mean, thisguy didn't say what they look
like other than just men inblack suits, right?
Travis (09:16):
I mean, that's the whole reason why they're called men
in black is because this firstincident, we wouldn't say this
is the first sighting of men inblack.
Had they not shown up being menin black, they would be men in
purple or aliens in G-strings.
Josh (09:32):
Oh what is a leotard, but a full-bodied G-string?
Travis (09:35):
That's true.
Yeah, it all goes right intoyour butt.
Josh (09:37):
Yeah, I wanted to talk about how they looked, but there
are a couple other accounts andsightings, like the Bender
incident.
So albert k bender, a prominentufologist in the 50s, claimed
that his ufo research wasstopped because of three men in
black and they threatened himinto silence.
It's all detailed in his book,which was published in 1956,
(10:02):
called they knew too much aboutflying saucers.
So the first one that you weretalking about with harold doll,
that was 47, this was in the 50s.
Yeah, this is yep.
Just a couple years later.
And I mean books were big inthe 50s, reading was getting
very prominent.
The literacy rate was going uplike crazy because their schools
(10:24):
same thing with like music ormovies.
You know there wasn't a millionbands, there wasn't a million
movies.
I mean, what was there wasthere?
So when a book comes out,people are going to be reading
it.
So let's talk about what theseguys look like, okay they look
very cool.
Travis (10:40):
This is the last suit they're gonna wear, and the only
difference between one man inblack and another man in black
is they make this shit look good.
Josh (10:51):
After these encounters, there's been hundreds and
thousands of differentencounters.
There's been a couple ofpictures, a few videos.
Travis (11:00):
One video.
There's one video that we sawand then there's one
photographic evidence of whatthey claim to be a man in black,
but it could just be somebodywearing a suit standing on a
corner.
So the thing that I have pickedup on a lot of this is that
these people see something andthen they get paranoid about it
and they think that noweverything they do and say is
(11:24):
going to jeopardize their safety.
They're looking for reasons toback that up.
There was one account ofsomebody who said somebody had
broken into their house and theyjust assumed that was a man in
black.
And they're looking for stuffwhen it could have just been a
home invasion type thing.
Josh (11:39):
They could have just got burgled.
Travis (11:41):
Yeah, they could have been burgled.
Josh (11:42):
So, yeah, the accounts vary a lot how they're described
, the situations, what's saidbut there are some things that
are very common, like theirappearance.
I know you are very infatuatedwith how they look, travis.
Would you like to describe howthey look?
Travis (11:58):
yeah, uh, desperately, I've been waiting for this
chance.
Creepy, creepy, okay, back toyou, josh.
That's weird, because earlieryou were saying beautiful
Off-putting, I would say UncannyValley, like close enough to
human but far enough away thatit's a little unsettling.
Josh (12:15):
Yeah, I would say, like a dolphin pretending to be a human
.
Travis (12:19):
Yeah, because they're hairless, waxy skin.
But doesn't that just soundinsane to describe Like?
if that was the case, it wouldbe a huge thing, but the
accounts are like oh no, I wasalone, I was in my house.
Some of them are preceded by aphone call.
These visits to somebody'shouse, and they ask them
(12:39):
outright well, are you at homealone?
And if they say yes, thensuddenly there's somebody at
their door.
Why hasn't somebody just lied?
If they are aware of the men inblack and know that they only
visit when they're alone, whynot lie or set up a camera to?
Josh (12:52):
capture it, yeah, and why aren't?
In today's age, there's aridiculous amount of cameras.
Travis (12:59):
Well, and that's another thing that I wanted to talk
about, you see a lot of theseaccounts drop off very steeply
after dan akroyd's experience.
What in like 2002 so not a lotof men in black sightings have
happened since the advent oflike modern day cameras or what
happened?
Josh (13:14):
or the anachroidon in o2?
Travis (13:16):
he had been working on a show.
He had like 26 episodes thathe'd recorded.
They were, I guess, recordingthe series finale or the season
finale.
None of them have been aired.
Like accounts of the story seema little weird, like why would
you have 26 episodes in the?
Can I say that to you and me,who have 26 episodes of this
show and we haven't released any?
(13:36):
But why would you have as danakroyd have 26 episodes recorded
and none of them released?
Josh (13:41):
well, I do everything dan akroyd does know.
Travis (13:44):
So he had been recording the show, not released anything
yet he was still in talks withthe head of the SyFy network.
What you hear is that the headof that network was hoping for
something else from the show.
They got Dan Aykroyd to be onthe show.
They thought it was going to bemore comedy-based.
Dan Aykroyd was really lookingto explore some of his more
(14:08):
niche hobbies, which wasexploring the existence of ufos
yeah, he was into a lot of thespiritual stuff too, and yeah so
the the reason that he wasoutside very some say he was out
having a smoke break, otherssay he was getting a call from
britney spears or on the phonewith Britney Spears which I
think is silly, but the accountsare all about the same is that
(14:30):
there was a black sedan that hadjust appeared across the street
that he didn't notice before.
He saw somebody in the driver'sseat and then somebody appeared
outside of the car and was meanmugging him.
He turned for a second and whenhe looked back to see if the
car was still there, it was allgone.
He said there's no way that itcould have passed without him
knowing it.
But also, like it's Dan Aykroyd, he could have been pulled in a
(14:53):
you know a hundred differentdirections.
It's New York city, downtownNew York.
There's a lot going on.
He could have been talking tosomebody for longer than he
thought he was and when heturned back around, the car was
gone.
Josh (15:04):
Yeah, it could have been two separate things two separate
things.
Travis (15:08):
It was just a driver of like a hired car, like a town
car.
Josh (15:11):
Yeah.
Travis (15:12):
And standing outside and saw Dan Aykroyd and was like
maybe squinting at him to see oh, he should.
That looks like.
Josh (15:22):
Dan Aykroyd it If you make eye contact with anyone in New
York, you're going to get meanmugged Sure, or nice mugged.
Maybe New Yorkers aren't knownto be the friendliest people.
Travis (15:32):
Yeah, or just mugged.
I found New Yorkers to be very,very welcoming to us, oh cool.
They were very kind and veryblunt and I appreciated that Not
one of them were mean or cruel,which I experience a lot more
here, just like mean andcruelness, than I did when I was
in New York Interesting.
Josh (15:52):
Yeah, I imagine the East Coast people are too busy to be
mean.
Yeah, Over here we have a lotof time on the West Coast to
fester, just soaking up thoserays, that Western sun.
Travis (16:04):
That's a weird story and it happened to everybody's
favorite Ghostbuster, danAykroyd.
Josh (16:10):
What happened after he saw the guy?
He just disappeared.
He just disappeared, yeah, andthe show got canceled.
The show got canceled.
Two hours later he said and hethinks it was related he feels
it's related.
Travis (16:22):
yes, Nobody else felt that way.
They said it was creativedifferences.
Josh (16:25):
I mean I don't want to get stuck on Danny Aykroyd, but did
he say that the guy lookedweird Like no eyebrows, no,
because that's kind of whatpeople have been saying yeah of
what people have been sayingyeah, they no, he was across the
street looking he was just in asuit and in a, in a car and he
appeared and disappeared justmiraculously.
Travis (16:43):
He was there and gone, okay, in the blink of an eye so
that leads us to behavior.
So we know how they look,naturally they're just weird
yeah, creepy, they speak in amonotone like a monotonous voice
.
Big uh they're yep big.
Josh (16:59):
In the video we saw of the two guys walking into the hotel
it looked like a kid on a kid'sshoulder, wearing a sure they
were just trying to get into aclub yeah, that's what it looked
like yeah, I actually couldn'treally tell because the
perspective was hard.
Travis (17:15):
There was one other person that was in the like
those two doors that separatethe outside yeah, the outside
from the inside, and they passedthrough those doors so quick.
I didn't really get a goodchance to look and see how, if
they weren't that much biggerthan that hotel worker yeah, and
we couldn't see their facebecause we're wearing hats and
(17:35):
sunglasses but they came inlooking for the owner of the
hotel and the head of securitybecause those two people had
reported seeing like a triangleor spaceship outside of their
upper floors.
Josh (17:49):
Yeah.
So these guys, they walk in inmost of these situations and are
very intimidating, like they'rejust straight up trying to
alpha you.
Travis (18:01):
they act as though they have authority yeah, they'll
often show badges that saysecurity on it oh really, or a
version of that.
Yep, they'll say interesting,no name though, and they refer
to each other by number.
Weird, so kind of like in menin black, where their names get
reduced down to the, the firstletter, like j and k, very
(18:22):
similar to that where you'relike one, two, two hundred yeah,
so no names, yeah, numbers verysecretive sure, naturally but
with that secret behavior, theyalso know a lot of information
about you personal information,personal information which is
wild.
So in one of the early instanceswhere a piece of metal was
(18:42):
found, they're like you need togo get me that motherfucking
metal right now.
No more motherfucking metal inyour motherfucking house.
And so that is very scarybecause the reports will say
like how did they know that Ihad salvaged this piece of metal
?
I didn't tell anybody, I didn'teven tell my partner, and
that's most of these encounters.
Josh (18:59):
It's just like I was alone in the woods and I saw this.
How come you're here telling menot to tell anyone about it?
Yeah, but.
Travis (19:05):
I just think that that's very convenient them being
alone and then told not to tellabout it, and then they tell
about it, but they're told notto tell about it, so so that
like compounds the myth, andpeople and that is what I think
peaks everybody's curiosity islike oh shit, this guy is like a
whistleblower on his ownpersonal experience and it's
telling the world what happenedto him specifically, and then
(19:25):
he's being silenced by peoplethat we don't even know exist.
But we're going to have to takehis account.
Josh (19:30):
Yeah, it is bizarre because I mean having thousands
of these encounters and peoplecoming forward with them.
They're all doing the exactopposite of what these men in
black are telling them to not do.
Travis (19:45):
They're all saying don't talk about this.
And so what do they do?
They write a book about it.
Josh (19:49):
It's strange If there are UFOs or something like that.
I imagine that these people arepretty high strung.
If you see something, you'regonna have those pins and
needles.
Your senses are going to be alittle more enhanced.
You're going to have a littlebit of I'm being watched feeling
.
Travis (20:06):
Yeah, yeah you're gonna be sus, you're gonna have a
general sense of sus sussery.
Yeah, paranoidanoid.
Josh (20:14):
That's the word.
Travis (20:15):
Yeah, yeah, I only say that like five times an episode,
but you are.
If you claim to have seensomething, then anything that
happens after that, especiallyif you're like in a heightened
sense, you're going to attributeto that Like the whole world
revolves around you.
So you're going to look ateverything that way.
Yeah, like we were talkingabout before the show.
(20:37):
Everybody's favorite topic totalk about is themselves and
they're going to think thateverything that happened to them
is actually part of a worldwideconspiracy, when it may have
just been an owl in a tree thatlooked like the flat bush
monster or whatever.
Josh (20:51):
I was watching a TV show recently where they were going
in and talking to people andthey're coming forward with some
of their stories and almostevery person that these two
people were talking to that hadthese encounters.
One of the main questions theyasked was why me?
Why am I special?
Why did they come to me?
(21:11):
It's just like like it's notbecause of you.
Travis (21:15):
You were picked.
If it did happen to you, it was100 random yeah no, nothing
about you especially.
You're just somebody out in thewoods.
You happen to be isolated atthe time of this, whatever it
was yeah, and if you'relistening and you had an
encounter and you thought youwere special.
Josh (21:31):
I think you're special for other reasons, yeah, but not
for experiencing.
Travis (21:36):
You've got great red lips and a very waxy skin and I
love that hat and suit that youdecided to put on.
Very demure, veryuncharacteristic of you.
Josh (21:44):
Very demure, yeah so some of the tactics that these men in
black use when they come theythreaten them gonna kill you
yeah, or your family members,like.
Travis (21:53):
One incidence was uh, it was basically like you have a
very pretty wife.
It would be a shame ifsomething were to happen to her.
Josh (22:02):
So they do threats, they do, they intimidate a lot.
Yeah, they do up close magicSurveillance.
Maybe there's been someinstances of memory wiping.
Travis (22:13):
Sure A neuralyzer.
Josh (22:15):
Yeah, some accounts suggest that there's more
sinister actions, likedisappearances of people or
destruction of evidence or, likeyou said, burgled, yeah,
burgled their turrets, yeah, andI think magic up, up close
magic.
Travis (22:32):
I think it was bender.
They showed up at his house,they showed him a penny.
The penny went from coppercolored to silver colored to
blue and then dematerialized.
And they're like huh, do youbelieve us now?
Now, don't talk to anybody.
And he's like yeah, man, youmade a penny disappear,
incredible yeah, that was drherbert hopkins.
Josh (22:52):
He was a researcher.
He claimed that a man in ablack suit visited him.
Confirmed details about thecase he was investigating.
Travis (22:58):
This was the one that they called ahead of time right,
Called ahead of time to makesure he was home alone and then
turned on his outside porchlight and as he was doing that,
he saw somebody outside of hishouse walking up the steps.
Josh (23:10):
I don't know, okay, but what I do know is they knew what
he was investigating, yeah, andthey made a coin vanish as a
scare tactic yeah, I know, Iknow, I know and warned him to
destroy all his related files.
So this is 1976.
Magic stores were popping atthis time.
Yeah, this is like.
Travis (23:31):
It was huge.
Mandrake the Magician wasaround at this time, a magician
that my dad really liked.
I think Doctor Strange came outat about this time in the
comics world.
Josh (23:40):
Yeah, magic was happening.
You could get magic tricks inthe back of comic books.
Some serial prizes were magictricks.
I mean, this was all outside ofhand.
Yeah, and spies were super big.
Travis (23:52):
Spies were big, like all through the 80s.
I remember reading in the backof comics I actually ordered a
pair of sunglasses that allowedyou to see behind you, so like
in the little corners it waslike oh, the mirrors, yeah, yeah
I had a pair of those.
Okay, they sucked.
Oh yeah, all of them.
They were terrible.
All you got was like the sideof your face and your ear, but
the idea of it was so cool andyou it was it like fed that
(24:15):
paranoia that somebody wasalways like sneaking up on you,
so you ordered it.
Did you put the money in theenvelope like coins, like a
check, a check, yeah wow, okay,my parents wrote a check and
then they we put it in anenvelope and we mailed it away
so yeah, when I heard about thisguy's story with the coin, I
laughed out loud.
Josh (24:35):
It's funny.
I thought it was it very funny.
Travis (24:37):
It's up close magic, it's just really funny.
But imagine like a David Blainetype character back then, or a
Criss Angel, a mind freak.
He would be killed, yeah, hewould be thrown into a lake with
rocks tied around his head orburned to the stake as a witch,
and he probably would haveescaped.
He would if he would have setthe whole thing up of set the
(24:57):
whole thing up.
Josh (24:57):
Yeah, when I first read this I thought just the coin
behind the ear, disappearingthing.
But researching a bit more,there was a copper penny and it
started turning silver and thengreen and fuzzy and then it
disappeared in front of them.
No, no hand movement is whatyou described.
Travis (25:09):
Right, but it was just him that was there, so it's just
his accounting.
A lot of these accounts, I feltlike the game of telephone, and
when people stop payingattention to how outrageous the
story is because maybe they'veheard it before or they've heard
parts of the story, you'regoing to start amping it up to
get people's attention.
So eventually you're like, ohmy God, no way.
Josh (25:29):
Well, and we've talked about people do that with their
own memories too.
People do that False memoriesare created that way.
Where it just slowly, over time, it's skewed slightly to where
all these small skews turn intoa completely different story.
Travis (25:41):
Yeah, you tripped over a sidewalk and suddenly you got
pushed out of a second storywindow.
Josh (25:46):
Yeah, but that Dr Hopkins account kind of highlighted that
the men in black's ability toperform seemingly impossible
feats, and it focuses onsuppressing UFO related evidence
.
Travis (25:57):
This is scarier to me than any accounts I've heard
about abduction.
So, like the travis waltonthing, I didn't see fire in the
sky until I was like in my midto late teens, but that was a
terrifying movie.
That is not something I wanted.
I do not want that to exist.
Nobody wants to be.
It's just like a childabduction.
That is the worst possiblething that you you could live
(26:20):
through.
It's like having your kidstolen or being a child and
being taken.
And that was a thing in the 80s.
It's still a thing today.
Some of these accounts, youknow, could probably line up
with alien abduction.
They're like well, my kid wentmissing.
Well, there was a weird personbuzzing around our neighborhood
asking a bunch of questions.
That could have just been apedophile doing the same thing
(26:41):
and snatching kids or people orwhatever.
I'm not saying that the two arerelated.
I'm just saying that this ishow these myths get started.
Parts of them are based inreality, at least the reality as
far as these people areconcerned as far as these people
are concerned.
Josh (26:56):
Well, Bender's testimony that Albert Bender said he was
being silenced by the three menin black and he said that
they're from the planet Kazakh.
I don't know why the men inblack gave him that information.
Travis (27:06):
That's the thing, is you're right?
Why would they give him thatinformation?
Don't tell anybody about this,but here's all my personal
information I'm going to giveyou.
Josh (27:15):
Here's the last four digits of my social security
number.
Travis (27:16):
Here's all my personal information I'm going to give
you.
Here's the last four digits ofmy social security number.
Here's my address.
Why would they do that?
Josh (27:21):
Yeah, that's very strange.
Travis (27:22):
It is such a silly name for a planet.
Josh (27:25):
Yeah, it really is.
It sounds like a planet onDragon Ball Dragon.
Travis (27:30):
Ball.
Josh (27:30):
Z.
The hard part about this.
I want it to be true.
So bad.
There really is just noconcrete evidence.
No, it is myth and lore therecould be.
I'm sure there is a governmentorganization out there, I would
absolutely agree that there is.
Yeah, I mean it would be weirdif there wasn't.
Honestly, yeah, but with aliensI mean maybe, but I I just
(27:53):
don't believe that, sadly, Imean, the government would want
to conceal some of this to makeso there's not mass hysteria,
like just mass psychologicaleffects on people.
But they're still creating thatpsychological effect just on
individual levels.
Travis (28:08):
Okay, I know you want to believe, but let's talk about
just in sheer numbers, right.
As prevalent as UFO, uapsightings are, why aren't men in
black sightings as common asthat After somebody has spotted
a UFO or a UAP or whatever termyou want to use?
If they are supposed to show upafter every sighting, why don't
(28:30):
we have more accounts of men inblack showing up?
Josh (28:33):
Maybe because what the men in black are doing is working.
Travis (28:37):
But how is it working?
Josh (28:38):
We're still hearing about you're right you're right, and
it could be that they aren'tdoing it anymore.
Maybe it was a from this timeto this time, but now
civilization they've alreadycollected all their evidence.
Yeah, maybe civilization isready and we can handle
something, so there wouldn't bemass hysteria.
But you're right, I meanthere's places that you can go
in the world where you could seea UFO every night.
(28:59):
I mean there's tons of placeslike that where it's very, very,
very common.
The numbers don't make sense,like there should be the exact
amount of numbers.
Travis (29:09):
Yeah, it should correlate to the number of
sightings.
Josh (29:12):
Yeah.
Travis (29:12):
And with that correlation would come evidence.
You know people showing up.
You have a camera system infront of your up.
You have a camera system infront of your house.
I have a camera system in frontof my house.
We're not the only people onthe world that have cameras at
our house.
There are hundreds of thousandsof cameras out there.
If people were showing up tohouses, we would have documented
evidence of it.
Josh (29:31):
Yeah, the other thing I just thought of is Is this going
to be a hot take?
Oh, this is a hot take.
If there are multiple speciesof aliens, maybe there is a
species of aliens that was notsupposed to be somewhere at a
certain time, or something.
If they have an organizationschedule of their visits and
(29:54):
then they show up and someonesees them and they're like you
weren't supposed to see.
That, do you not tell?
Travis (29:58):
me, I was never here.
I was never here.
Yeah, exit stage left.
Josh (30:03):
It's not what I would say even though this topic has been
contested a lot, because there'snot a lot of proof and there's
a lot of funny things you wouldcall what whack jobs uh,
paranoid freaks.
Travis (30:15):
Paranoid freaks yeah, whack jobs, I'm sorry I
apologize, yeah me and myparanoid freaks are we're very
comfortable with how we refer toourselves.
Yeah, I get it.
Josh (30:24):
I mean each other, not ourselves just remember that's a
a zoot suit wanting briefcasebriefcase carrying middle school
businessman sweater, vest,owning middle school business
man bow ties yep with a clarinetin his backpack because he was
too embarrassed that peoplewould make fun of him.
That is me.
Travis (30:43):
That's who's making fun of you right now yeah, going
home to read my lord of therings so this whole topic still
captivates a lot of people.
It also kind of shines a littlebit of light on the paranoia
that people have with thegovernment and their secrecy
well and how, like theirunderstanding that government is
so big and it's a bigbureaucracy, of course there's
going to be these little likehidden pockets of people that
(31:06):
are pulling money in fromtaxpayers that are yeah, they're
trying to silence.
Government has no idea where allof our money is going, sure,
yeah, which is bonkers, becausethat's why calculators exist
yeah, I mean pete, yep, they'lllove that idea that there's like
these little pocket agenciesthat are sprung up just to
intimidate and make peopleafraid the cool thing about this
is that no one can be right orwrong.
Josh (31:28):
There's always going to be a debate because there isn't.
Travis (31:30):
That's like evidence.
That's like saying my versionof blue might be different than
your version of blue becauseyou're seeing through your eyes,
like your idea of blue could bered and your whole world could
look completely different to me.
But like I'm like, I'm notreally interested in going down
that road well, I'm just sayingthis.
Josh (31:46):
This debate will go on for a long time.
I'm not going down that road.
Geez, I was that took a darkturn, didn't take a dark turn.
It's just like I'm not tryingto manipulate you.
Travis (31:55):
It's like one of those annoying things Travis, you're
safe here, you're fine but it'sone of those things that people
will say like well, it can't not, not be true, but it can't be
true.
Those two things can exist.
Like, yeah, they can exist,that's, that's fine.
There's a lot out there that wedon't know.
Yeah, but just saying like itexists, because I don't think
the government is using theirfunds properly or whatever,
(32:17):
because it's silly to me.
Josh (32:19):
Well, I'm just saying the lack of evidence is going to
make it so that this debate isaround for a very long time,
which will make it always one ofthe bigger topics in the
unexplained phenomena realm.
Sure, which is cool.
You know, it's something weneeded to talk about, we needed
to dive in.
I don't think we'll know forsure.
I want it.
(32:40):
From what I hear like it couldbe something else.
It could be people.
Travis (32:47):
It could be a guy in a Hawaiian suit with too much
sunscreen on his face walking upto you and talking to you about
it.
It's probably not going to bemen in black, you about it,
which it's probably not going tobe men in black.
I would feel like if you weretrying to be as inconspicuous as
possible.
Why dress exactly the wayeverybody expects you to dress?
because they got some oldinformation about how we dressed
(33:08):
and weren't able to update itby just being out among people
and seeing that nobody wears asuit anymore, just casually.
Josh (33:16):
Yeah, I'm not going to speak for them, because I
believe that they should speakfor themselves, oh my God.
But I would like to think thebest of them.
Travis (33:25):
So this is just a plea to the alien overlords to not
bug you.
Please leave you alone.
Josh (33:31):
Okay, got it.
Yeah, I just want them to knowthat I care and come at me, all
right.
So yeah, if you guys have anystories I'd want to hear more,
you can get ahold of us.
Travis (33:44):
Sure, I would love.
I would love for you guys tosend us drawings of these men in
black that you've seen.
I think that is more helpfulthan pictures.
I want to see a drawing.
I want to see somebody'sartistic interpretation of what
a man I'd be down with that.
Josh (34:05):
I'd frame that.
Yeah, I'd frame it.
Yeah, put it on a shirt.
Yeah, if you guys have uh anyfeedback or insults, don't
bother.
Travis (34:07):
Uh, you can, you can send us whatever you want.
Josh (34:08):
We never learned how to read jokes on you.
Yeah, we're gonna go into aquiz okay, very, very exciting.
Travis (34:14):
What the fuck is this?
I've never even heard of this.
Josh (34:18):
I don't know.
Our researcher would not tellme any information.
Travis (34:21):
Rendlesham.
Josh (34:22):
Forest, yeah, so next week we're going to talk about
Rendlesham Forest because of Arewe saying that right, or is it
Rendlesham Good?
I don't know when is it located.
Travis (34:34):
Oh see, so here we go.
Josh (34:36):
No, don't scroll ahead.
This is the issue that lasttime I think it's friendless on
because I scrolled ahead we weresent this quiz while we were
recording, so travis couldn't doresearch like he did last time.
I asked what we were gonna betalking about, what the quiz is
about, and was told noinformation.
Travis (34:55):
So because you can't even be trusted around me I
can't.
Josh (34:59):
I mean, it's kind of fun, though, not knowing what we're
going to talk about.
Travis (35:02):
Yeah, so this is going to be our baseline quiz.
This is my nightmare, thoughNot being prepared.
Josh (35:09):
This is what we're going to talk about next episode.
We are going to take a quiz tofigure out what we know, so that
you know that we actually don'tknow anything, right?
Yes, typical end of the showquiz.
Yep, how are we going to dothis?
Travis (35:23):
I'll just read the questions and then we both
answer your answer.
Josh (35:25):
I'll give mine and then we'll submit the quiz and we'll
kind of go over and see howgreat we did, okay.
So first question what year didthe?
Now you got me all worriedabout the pronunciation.
Travis (35:40):
That's fine.
We can always fix that in theedit.
It'll just be like what yeardid the correct pronunciation
forest incident occur?
Josh (35:48):
yeah, so what year did the rendlesham?
Rendlesham, I'm gonna sayrendlesham rendlesham.
Travis (35:54):
You can say rendlesham too.
That's the both, I'm sure.
Josh (35:58):
Well, you know what this is already proving?
Travis (36:01):
how Contentious.
Josh (36:02):
When you listen to the next episode, we will have the
correct pronunciation.
So when did this Rendleshamforest UFO incident occur?
Okay, so it's a UFO incident.
Okay, is it A 1953, b 1971, c1980, or D 1999?
I mean, that sounds like a 70sforest, so I'm gonna say 1971.
(36:25):
I'm going with 1980 okay, whereis rendall's sham?
Travis (36:31):
I did both you're doing every pronunciation, that's fine
where is this forest located?
Josh (36:37):
is it a scotland, b massachusetts, c england or d
australia?
Travis (36:44):
I'm gonna say scotland because it sounds like something
out of a arthurian, I'm gonnasay england similarly okay I
guess england is a little morearthurian right.
Yeah, but you didn't have to befrom england to become the king
of england.
There have been scots that havebeen king of england and okay.
Josh (37:02):
Next question what military branch was involved in
the forests incident?
A army, b marines, c navy or dair force?
I'm saying navy, I'm gonna sayair force.
No, I'm gonna say navy too,because the navy's seems to be a
little more transparent when itcomes to talking about this
(37:25):
stuff.
The Air Force is the one that'sjust like nope, nothing here.
Travis (37:28):
Same with the Army.
They're all grunts anyway.
Oh careful.
And the Marines are prettytight lipped.
Josh (37:33):
Yeah.
Travis (37:33):
And they don't have Marines in the UK.
They have.
Whatever, they have their ownversion of it.
Josh (37:37):
Mariners, yeah, mariners own version of it mariners, yeah
, mariners.
Next question what was thealleged shape of the
unidentified object witnessed inrendall's ham forest?
A circular, b, triangular, c,saucer or d diamond.
Travis (37:55):
What's the difference between circular and saucer?
Josh (37:58):
a saucer would be like two saucers put together, like two
lids, and a circular would belike two saucers put together
like two lids and a circularwould be like a Frisbee.
Travis (38:04):
Yeah, I'm going to say triangle, I'm going to say
diamond.
Josh (38:08):
Oh, that's fancy.
So next question which of thefollowing is not considered a
possible explanation for theincident by skeptics?
A, a hoax.
Travis (38:19):
Okay, okay.
I just want to be clear.
Which of the following is notconsidered a possible
explanation for the incident byskeptics?
I just wanted to be clear in myown head what the question was
asking.
So skeptics people that don'tbelieve this happened, this is
something that they're notconsidering, that it is.
Is that correct?
Is that, like a correctrewording of that is not
(38:41):
considered a possibleexplanation by skeptics?
So people that don't believe init already, they're not
thinking about this.
They're not thinking, yeah, Iguess they're not.
I don't know.
This is not a thing that theywould say, well, let's look at
the yeah, let's look at theanswers.
Josh (38:59):
So A a lighthouse, or D a weather balloon.
Travis (39:04):
Not considered.
Josh (39:08):
Which of the following is not considered a possible
explanation.
Travis (39:09):
This feels like a trick question.
Does Now I have to think about?
Like, what does Jordan knowabout us?
Is she setting us up forsomething that is going to
totally embarrass us?
So we're going to say the wrongthing.
I'm going to say hoax.
I'm going to say hoax, I'mgoing to say a lighthouse?
Josh (39:23):
I'm still not completely grasping the question.
Travis (39:27):
Yeah, so of all these things, skeptics don't consider
the Rendlesham incident to havebeen a lighthouse A lighthouse.
I'm going to say a weather.
Actually, I'm going to takehoax back and say a weather
balloon.
Josh (39:48):
I think the hoax was thrown in there just so I would
pick it.
So I'm on to you, jordan.
Yeah, last question a sergeantreported receiving a telepathic
message in which language?
A binary code, b klingon, cmorse code or d latin?
Travis (39:59):
this is so silly because these are all like Earth-based
languages, like Klingon istotally made up.
Binary may be a universal code,because it's computer language,
but that's invented here.
Yeah, this is the kind of thing, man, that makes me Grinds your
goat.
Yeah, it does.
It really grinds that goat up.
(40:19):
Okay, I'm going to say, say Idon't want to say the wildest
thing on here, which would beklingon.
Yeah, that'd be crazy, yeah I'mgonna say binary.
Okay, that's what I'm gonna saytoo.
I'm gonna say binary that's.
Josh (40:32):
That's a rough one.
I'm very curious.
Travis (40:34):
But how do you get a telepathic message in binary?
It's just like one zero, zero,zero, zero, one, one, one, one,
one, one, one, one, one, one one.
Yeah, okay, now that I say thatout loud, I'm like, yeah, I can
totally understand it.
Josh (40:46):
So that's weird.
Well, we're gonna find all thisout.
We're gonna know everythingabout this forest.
Travis (40:52):
Okay, so submit yep, I submitted.
Josh (40:54):
I'm gonna view for accuracy.
Uh, you were right.
The incident occurred in 1980.
I said 71.
Oh my gosh, it was located inEngland, not.
Travis (41:06):
Scotland Got it.
Josh (41:08):
It was the Navy, that was the military, I don't know.
Triangular.
Travis (41:14):
Got it, weather balloon Got it, binary Got it, you got
100%.
Holy shit you cheated.
Maybe this 100%.
Holy shit you cheated.
Maybe this is my new tactic,Like don't do any research.
Maybe I'm a secret genius.
Josh (41:30):
Or you too received a telepathic binary message.
Yeah, but I don't understandbinary.
Travis (41:37):
I mean Latin.
Sure, everybody understandsLatin.
This is incredible.
This is like the greatestmoment of my life.
That's crazy.
Josh (41:43):
Don't tell my kids.
So it was not a diamond, it wasa triangle, it was not a
lighthouse.
Travis (41:51):
It was a weather balloon .
I'm glad I redacted my hoax andsaid weather balloon and then
it was binary, so I only got twocorrect man this feels good.
This is probably like what goldmedalists feel.
No, I think this is better.
Well, I'm really happy for you.
This is better.
Wow, I feel incredible.
Right now I could take on amoose.
Josh (42:12):
Well, I'm excited to find out what all this is about Me
too.
Travis (42:18):
Sounds like you're halfway there.
I'm already bookmarking.
Josh (42:19):
I don't even think you need to do any research.
Travis (42:20):
I'm already bookmarking websites right now trying to
figure this out.
Josh (42:25):
Yeah.
So thank you for listening andbeing a part of this, and we are
excited for you to hear thenext episode as much as we're
excited to learn about it.
So until next time, keepdreaming, right?
No, stop bookmarking, don'tHold on, hold on.
You're going to know so muchstuff.
Rendlesham forest, rendlesham,rendlesham forest.
(42:47):
Okay, rendlesham, rendlesham.
I think I got it correct, atleast once.
Travis (42:52):
Yeah, I said yeah, that was Rendlesham.
Josh (42:56):
Okay, well, thank you everyone for listening.
Until next time.
Travis (42:59):
Okay, bye, bye.
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