Pentagon UFO Disclosure: Exploring The Military UAP Videos

Ever wondered what happens when the Pentagon admits UFO videos are real? Well, buckle up, because in this episode, we're diving into the declassified Navy footage that's got everyone scratching their heads. 

We'll explore the infamous 'Tic Tac,' 'Gimbal,' and 'Go Fast' videos, debate whether they're alien tech or just next-gen drones, and ponder why the government is finally talking about it. Is it a slow disclosure, a strategic move, or just a way to discredit the the believers? 

Join us as we navigate the blurry line between official statements and conspiracy theories, and try to figure out if we're on the verge of a cosmic reveal or just watching really cool drone footage. And hey, maybe we'll even figure out if these UAPs are just the advanced tech we need to survive in a future that's looking more and more like the Wasteland.

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Episode Transcript

Josh (00:03):
Aliens Aliens, yes.

Travis (00:09):
But maybe no.
Well, welcome to the show.
Aliens, yes, but maybe no.
I'm Travis and I am Josh.
This is an otherworldly podcast, as ambiguous as our title.

(00:30):
So, today, on the show, whatare we going to talk about?
You're finally going to presentme with some evidence, right?
Is that the topic of the show?

Josh (00:39):
Yeah, I've gotten sick and tired of you just doubting
everything and said show me thefootage Show me that dick yeah,
Hollow deck like on Star Trek.
Yeah, that's what I meant.
I want to see a reaction towhat you've been asking for, so
today we're going to talk about.

Travis (00:58):
Too bad, this isn't a video podcast.

Josh (01:00):
Oh yeah, that's a bummer.

Travis (01:01):
So everybody else could see my reaction to this evidence
that's going to be presented tome today.
We'll hire an animator to dothat Sure, or maybe we'll do
reenactments.

Josh (01:11):
Reenactments yeah.

Travis (01:13):
It'll be really quick.
My jaw will be on the floor.
My monocle will pop off.

Josh (01:16):
We'll do reenactments with an animator.
So your eyes will bulge out ofyour head.

Travis (01:21):
Yeah, your eyes will bulge out of your head.
Yeah, my tongue will roll onthe floor.
I'll say a wooga, a bunch.

Josh (01:25):
Oh yeah, Be prepared to hear me say a wooga a bunch.
You're hitting your head with ahammer.

Travis (01:29):
Yeah, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding ding, trying to
get those dirty thoughts out ofmy brain, yep.

Josh (01:35):
Yeah, so today I'm giving you what you've been asking for,
and these are and UAPs thathave been authenticated by the
Pentagon.
Yeah, you saw these videos.
We sent them to you, yeah.

Travis (01:48):
We the Royal, we yeah Josh, backed by the US
government.

Josh (01:52):
Yep, we as in me, being a part of the Pentagon.

Travis (01:55):
Sure Yep Little satellite burg here in humble
Nampa Idaho.
Bleep out the location.

Josh (02:08):
We don't want anybody to come and raid our house like uh
happened to me a couple weeksago.

Travis (02:11):
Yeah, no, that's fine, that's legitimate.
No, I called the pentagon mybathroom, my toilet, so get to
get lost in there and you can'tfind your way out.

Josh (02:14):
Yeah, we, we.
Isn't we the people?
sure yeah, the royal we yeah, wesent you some videos.
We sent you multiple videos.
In 2017, the pentagon actuallydeclassified three ufo videos
taken by us navy.
The Pentagon actuallydeclassified three UFO videos
taken by US Navy pilots.
They were declassified and thenleaked and the Department of
Defense had to say somethingabout it.
They're like oh shit, like okay, it's out there.

(02:37):
And this is their statement.
They said the Department ofDefense has authorized the
release of three unclassifiedNavy videos, one taken in
November 2004 and the other twoin January 2015, which have been
circulating the public domainafter unauthorized releases in
2007 and 2017.

Travis (02:57):
Yeah, so we're looking at what an 11 year difference in
these three videos.
Yes, okay.

Josh (03:02):
So I think the one in 2004 was released in 07, and then
the two in 2015 were released in2017.

Travis (03:09):
Well, that makes sense.
You couldn't release a 2017video in 2007.

Josh (03:14):
I don't know what these aliens are doing.

Travis (03:16):
That's true.

Josh (03:17):
If they can control gravity, they can control time.

Travis (03:19):
Yeah.

Josh (03:20):
The US Navy previously acknowledged that these videos
circulating in the public domainwere indeed Navy videos.
After thorough review, thedepartment has determined that
the authorized release of theseunclassified videos does not
reveal any sensitivecapabilities or systems and does
not impinge on any subsequentinvestigations of military
airspace incursions byunidentified aerial phenomenon.

(03:43):
Airspace incursions byunidentified aerial phenomenon.
The department of defense isreleasing the videos in order to
clear up any misconceptions bythe public on whether or not the
footage that has beencirculating was real or whether
or not there is more to thevideos.

Travis (03:55):
The aerial phenomenon observed in the videos remained
uncharacterized as unidentifiedso basic gist of this is like
okay, this shit is out there,there's a video out there.
We are not confirming ordenying the existence of this.
We're also not saying it'sotherworldly, this, this could
be.
We're basically just sayingit's unidentified at this time
until further information isrevealed.
Know that it's out there, itexists, we just don't know what

(04:18):
it is right.
So it doesn't necessarily meanthat it is, you know, outside of
earth's orbit.
It could very well be somethingthat is within the means of
technology here on Earth, right,but they just don't have the
means to identify what it isexactly.
And that's all they're saying.

Josh (04:34):
Yeah, they're basically saying that, yes, these videos
are real.
Yeah, we did have them.
They were filmed by the US Navyand they're heavily weighing on
the word unidentified.
Yeah, and a lot of people dothat.
Well, it's a safe bet.
The reality of the thing is wedon't know what they are at all,
yep, but what we do know isthat the way they move, or,

(04:57):
potentially, the technology thatis being used in them, is more
advanced than ours.

Travis (05:02):
Um, yes, I have seen footage of drones that are
capable I mean, maybe not usingthe language that's released in
this document, but that go likeupwards of 200 miles an hour and
it looks like they stop on adime.

Josh (05:15):
Yeah, drones are insane, like those fast ones where
you're using virtual realityheadset.
It's wild.

Travis (05:21):
Yeah, so there is technology out there that can
kind of get close to what isbeing described here.
But that does not mean thatjust because we lack the
technology here in the UnitedStates that it isn't out there.
A lot of our tech is stillmanufactured in China, so who
knows what is being produced andpushed out there?

Josh (05:38):
I mean we were talking yeah, what are they doing over
there?

Travis (05:39):
What do they do like that meme with the cat in the
overalls standing up looking?
What do they do like that memewith the cat in the overalls
standing up looking what'swhat's going on over there?

Josh (05:46):
They're a very private country.
We don't know anyone's finances.
We don't know what's going onlegitimately.
Yeah, we know the richestpeople in the United States.
We don't know who the richestpeople in China are, because
none of it's, none of that's,public.

Travis (06:00):
That's a close circle.

Josh (06:01):
And I'm sure the richest person in the world lives in
China.

Travis (06:03):
I that's a close circle, and I'm sure the richest person
in the world lives in China.
I mean, they've got the biggesteconomy in the world, next to
the United States, and that isonly based on information that
we have.
They've got a billion people inChina.
Well, and if it's?

Josh (06:15):
anything like any other country or the rest of the world
.
That's probably only fivepeople running the thing, Five
companies.
They just own other companies.

Travis (06:30):
And there's whole cities that are owned by people.
Yeah, and they're just a cityof workers.
Yeah, you look at beijing, itlooks like a future city.
Like incredible.
We're seeing cities in chinathat are incredible and have
blended architecture with nature.
Like yes I was just thinkingthat we're wonderful like it
blends in with the mountains andtrees.
Gardens yep, yeahcraper gardens.

Josh (06:43):
Yep, yeah, because they're also trying to.
I mean, they got into some deepdoo-doo because of their smog
issue, where you couldn't evensee the people were dying.
Classic world politics yeah,airplanes couldn't land because
they couldn't see the groundbecause of the pollution.
Yeah, so they had to do it.
They had to put succulentseverywhere yeah, everywhere, I
don't know.
I don't think succulents arevery good purifiers.

Travis (07:05):
Who knows it's all through.
Uh, what's it called?
Photosynthesis, like algae, isthe biggest reducer in co2 on
the planet.
It's the.
It's the best thing that wehave to get rid of all those
that make sense.
Co2 and pooping out oxygen yeahwhich is what we need to live,
and it's like one of the oldestorganisms known to us on planet

(07:25):
earth.
It was it's in the water?

Josh (07:27):
Aren't we all just algae in this petri dish?

Travis (07:30):
of earth.
We're all cosmic dust man.

Josh (07:33):
Yeah, so you just learned.
We watched a video.
We watched a short clip of a 60minute episode.
You just learned why thesevideos there's three videos that
they mentioned in thisstatement why they were
declassified.
Do you remember?

Travis (07:48):
Yeah, because they were already released and the
government had to declassifythem to talk about it.
People in the government cannottalk about a classified event,
and so I don't think they werereleased, yet they were leaked.

Josh (08:01):
They were Well.
They were leaked after theywere declassified because the
vice secretary of defense camein as a citizen because he knew
the right people to get a holdof to release them and he was
really bummed that he had to bethe person to do this Like.
Why doesn't the military or thegovernment do?

Travis (08:18):
that, so why?

Josh (08:19):
Luis Elizondo.

Travis (08:20):
Yeah, the guy in the 60 minute video with a really big
collar.
Yeah, short neck big collar.
Yeah, the guy in the 60 minutevideo with a really big collar
yeah.

Josh (08:26):
Short neck, big collar, yeah, combination of both yeah,
he was there, for the entiretyof it was a tip.
Which is what?
Uh, advanced terraforming.
Uh, let me, let me look it up.

Travis (08:45):
It was basically a new agency created within the
government.
Josh is going to come up withthe acronym here, I'm just
vamping.
So it's a new agency that'screated within the government to
investigate these UAPs, orcommonly known as UFOs.
Right, so a tip is thegovernmental acronym for.

Josh (09:03):
Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program.

Travis (09:07):
So it's AATIP.

Josh (09:08):
AATIP.
Okay, so basically once ProjectBlue Book was canceled in the
70s.

Travis (09:15):
I think the government is really they're wishy-washy.
Well, no, I'm just saying whenthey come up with these acronyms
AATIP just sounds like what youwould use to not get a girl
pregnant.
Just a tip.

Josh (09:27):
You think they come up with the acronym first and then
figure out what it means.

Travis (09:32):
Yeah, like this is just AATIP of the iceberg, yeah, and
they're like hey man, we've beensaying AATIP a lot, let's just
create an acronym for it.
That makes sense.
Yeah.

Josh (09:40):
I could see that happening , yeah, so Elizondo was there
for the entirety of it.
After his long military career,he was hired by the Pentagon to
work for AATIP and they'reinvestigating all these things.
A lot of these videos wereburied, were never going to be
talked about.
Him and his teams were findingthese, realizing that these were
issues, eventually got themdeclassified.

(10:02):
Funding was pulled and then heended up leaving out of
frustration, because there's alot of resistance to any of this
information.

Travis (10:11):
Yeah, so how much of these whistleblowers do you
think are reacting to I don'tknow, being mistreated, and so
this is like a vindictivemeasure to say like, well, fuck
you government, I'm going to.

Josh (10:23):
Like a who's coming with me.

Travis (10:25):
Yeah, Kind of like you're cool, you're cool.
Fuck you government.
I'm going to Like a who'scoming with me.
Yeah, Kind of like you're cool,You're cool, fuck you and I'm
out.

Josh (10:28):
I don't know.
It sounds like Elizondo was fedup for years before he left
because he was constantly tryingto get these videos and this
information, these securitythreats flying through the sky,
trying to get the right peopleto see it and do something about
it, and everyone's just like,nah, I don't want to.
No, that's crazy, like I don'twant to do that.
And finally he got so fed upthat he ended up leaving.

(10:50):
Yeah, so he was fed up, Iimagine, probably the same level
of fed up as most people feelin their workplace.
Sure, working sucks.

Travis (10:59):
Yeah, working does suck.
We should have AI figure thatout for us.

Josh (11:02):
Yeah, I'd be okay with that.

Travis (11:04):
We can explore the cosmos, yes, and art, and what
it means to be human.

Josh (11:08):
Well, ernest Cline who.

Travis (11:09):
Sure, Ready Player One.

Josh (11:10):
Ready Player One, he said we have two paths in front of us
.
We have the Mad Max path or theStar Trek path, and it looks
like we're going towards the MadMax path.

Travis (11:19):
Hell, yeah, I want to be , yeah, I want to be.
Well, I don't want to be anImmortan Joe.
Who would I be?
Maybe a Max A rogue, justadventuring across the plains,
just trying to stay alive,eating lizards and stealing fuel
.

Josh (11:33):
I would definitely be a background character.
I feel Just trying to survive.

Travis (11:37):
I think you'd be a good war boy.

Josh (11:39):
What does that mean?

Travis (11:39):
That's like his army, but they're the guys that like
jump onto other.

Josh (11:44):
Is that the guy playing the guitar?

Travis (11:46):
No, that is the Doof Warrior is his name.
He fucking rules.
Doof Warrior is the bestcharacter in all of Mad Max.
The war boys are like.
They're like his army.
They're the guys that will doexactly what Immortan Joe asks
of them, and they get rewardedin Valhalla.
So they're kind of it's kind oflike Norse mythology.
They spray silver on their face.

Josh (12:07):
They go crazy, and if they die, they die with honor.

Travis (12:09):
They say witness me.
They spray paint on their facewhen they're asking people to
witness them.
It's like to get a history oftheir deeds kind of You've
really thought about this,haven't you?
No, George Miller has reallythought about this.
He's got a Mad Max wiki that Idip into every once in a while.
I am a huge Mad Max fan.
I think that guy is brilliant.

Josh (12:29):
So you would prefer a post-apocalyptic?

Travis (12:31):
No, I'm saying if that's the path we go down, I'm just
trying to explore my role.

Josh (12:37):
I don't want to be-.
Oh okay, You're just preparing.

Travis (12:39):
I'm just preparing.
I don't want to be one of amorton joe's citizens, because
those guys get treated terriblyand, uh, it's like a cult.
Um, he rewards them once a daywith water and it is a nightmare
scenario.
The people that live and dowell are the ones are the rogues
that are yeah, I would ratherdie than be in that scenario.
Yeah also like tetanus.

(13:00):
Shots aren't around and there'sa lot of rusty metal, so
there's a lot of people thatprobably get lockjaw and die
yeah, I'm in that world.

Josh (13:08):
What happened to medicine in that world?

Travis (13:10):
radiation, I don't know, just ruined all of it.
It ruined all of it andnobody's interested, because now
it's just uh just constantsurvival constant survival, and
that's all.
People are there's no time foran injection.
It's just, it's the dark agesall over again.

Josh (13:21):
Okay, yeah, I mean, my preference would be Star Trek,
star Trek Sure.

Travis (13:27):
To.
That'd even take Star Wars.

Josh (13:29):
Yeah, but I mean it sounds like if there are multiple
aliens out there, this is whatErnest Cline was saying.
If there are multiple aliensout there, why not try to
harness this technology?
Why not try to get thistechnology where we can change
our planet for the better?
If get this technology where wecan change our planet for the
better, if we're making so muchcarbon right now and we can come

(13:49):
up with an?

Travis (13:49):
energy source.
That is the problem.
The problem, I see, is thatthis is in the wrong hand.
So atip uh, all these agencies,they are all a division of the
us military, and the us militaryis not interested in moving
humanity forward.

Josh (14:05):
They are looking at edging and uh, edging oh yeah, not
edging, you're familiar, we'veall been looking I'm edging
right now, just just talking,just thinking about this so
close.

Travis (14:18):
Um, they're not interested in moving humanity
forward, necessarily, and I Idon't think that the US military
is the right agency to belooking into this.
I think that it should beanother maybe and you know
government agency, of course, sothat gets funded and can put
research into it.
But the military is justlooking at applications for the

(14:39):
military so that we can maintain, whatever our military
superpower reputation.

Josh (14:44):
Yeah, and Ernest Cline touched on this topic as well,
saying, like a scientist's goalis to get funding and to get
tenure.
Yeah, so there's a lot oftopics that they're not touching
because they're not going toget funding and they're not
going to get tenure because ofthis.
Yeah, and I mean this is allfascinating, fascinating stuff.
That's why scientists aren'tclamoring to figure out what all

(15:05):
this is is, because it doesn'tbenefit them and their family
and their life.
So the government thinks thatthey're protecting us or trying
to gain this upper advantage.
Like you said, our bestinterest isn't.

Travis (15:18):
Yeah, they don't have our best interest in mind when
they're developing this.
So the United States is viewedas a world police.
Right, we are.
We have bases, military baseseverywhere, and that is not to
benefit, really, the localgovernments.
That is to keep an eye on thesefringe groups that maybe want
to do us harm or are doing usharm because we are establishing

(15:40):
military bases and you knowauthoritarian rule in these
smaller countries or biggercountries.
I mean, we've got you knowauthoritarian rule in these
smaller countries or biggercountries.
I mean we've got, you know,bases that right up next to
Russia and China so that we canmonitor them.
And so these drones, thesecould be reactionary from China
or Russia.
Russia is a big country, chinais a very big country, very
technologically advanced country, more so, on the side of China,

(16:02):
these could be drones that arejust doing surveillance, and
Jeremy Corbell's video of that.
UAP flying through yeah, thejellyfish flying through that
base in the Middle East and thendipping down into the water.
We have no idea what is goingon, even in our own oceans.
We're not exploring our oceans.
It's such a big, vast part ofour ecosystem here and we don't

(16:27):
know anything about it.
We're finding species in theocean that living in
environments we thought werehostile to organisms, and we're
finding things thriving in likethese underwater heat vents and
in the coldest places you knowon the planet.
So who knows what is under thatwater?
And it would be so easy to hidesomething in our oceans.

(16:49):
I mean, that's where Godzillalives, and we don't even.
How many Godzilla sightingshave there been in the last 20
years?

Josh (16:54):
Not many, I mean however many movies there were, which is
a decent amount.
Yeah, so I mean at least 50.
Yeah, sure, Okay, that's true,at least 50.
Yeah, sure, Okay, that's true.
I misspoke so these threevideos.
You mentioned the jellyfish one.

Travis (17:07):
Yeah, JC's video, Jeremy Corbell.

Josh (17:09):
Yeah, that wasn't part of those three that were released,
so the three that were releasedwere the Tic Tac.

Travis (17:15):
Yeah, we talked about this on the last episode.
Right, this was a quiz.

Josh (17:18):
Yeah, this was in the quiz .
We were naming the three.
There's the Tic Tac, the Gimbaland the Go Fast.
Yeah, the Tic Tac was off thecoast of San Diego in 2004.
It's an inside joke of themilitary referring to the movie
Airplane.
That's where they get the TicTac name, the commander, david

(17:40):
Fravor, said in a statement forthe Congressional House
Oversight Committee.
I would like to say that theTic Tac object that we engaged
in November 2004 was farsuperior to anything that we had
at the time, have today or arelooking to develop in the next
10 plus years.
So I'm just thinking off thetop of my head.
With this superpower comessuper technology.
We have the best technology andit's hard to think that another

(18:00):
country would have bettertechnology than the United
States.

Travis (18:04):
Not to me.
That's just the naturalprogression of things.
We build and then they build,and then we build and then they
build, and it's a constantprogression and it gets moved
forward because we discover whatthey're doing, or they discover
what we're doing.
They get, you know, pieces ofsatellite.
I mean, that's how the spacerace was won, as we were able to
.
Well, there's like the braindrain that happened in Germany,

(18:26):
which is how we, you know, we'reable to create atomic energy.
Korea, india we're seeingpeople come here and who are
very mathematical minded.

Josh (18:34):
But that's what I'm saying .
The United States is like theMecca for technology.

Travis (18:39):
Yeah, we're definitely a draw.
We're seeing less of that now,though, we're seeing less people
wanting to come here, and theyare just going to universities
within their own country andbuilding within their own
country, because why come to theUnited States and build up our
infrastructure and get involvedin this silliness?
And it's a hassle to come here,and when you leave, it's a
hassle to try to come back.

(18:59):
So they're building things intheir own country, and that is
just a natural course of things,and we have relied so heavily
on people smarter than us cominghere and helping us that we've
forgotten how to raise anddevelop intelligence.

Josh (19:14):
Yeah, I mean, we're real dumb over here.

Travis (19:16):
We're are, but this is the.
We're creating our own, Wally.

Josh (19:20):
Yeah, absolutely.
It could be possible thatsomeone like Russia or China
they were successful inbackwards engineering some UAPs
and that they're able to usethat technology to survey on us.

Travis (19:34):
It's also possible that it was an organic development.
They just had come acrosssomething and invented something
like a, you know, a propulsionsystem that doesn't push out
exhaust.
I mean, we're seeing that, likeI said, with drones drones
don't push out exhaust.

Josh (19:45):
Yeah, they, they use air.

Travis (19:47):
Huh, they use air.
It's uh, being propelledforward through like fans that
move really fast and are veryarticulated.
Yeah, it like fans that movereally fast and are very
articulated.

Josh (19:56):
Yeah, it just.
It just blows me away that ourmilitary is the most blades.
I guess Not our military is themost advanced military and it's
beyond what we have.
I mean, these are what the toppeople in the military are
saying, that what we're seeingwe don't know what it is and

(20:17):
it's hard to even speculatebecause we're not even to the
point where we can even thinkabout designing something like
this.
We'd like to Sure.
So that was the Tic Tac.
The gimbal was taken aboard aNavy fighter jet from the
nuclear aircraft carrier USSTheodore Roosevelt along
Jacksonville, Florida.
That one's the coolest lookingone.
It literally looks like a top.

Travis (20:33):
That's a gimbal, yeah, yeah.

Josh (20:35):
And then the go fast, which surprisingly went really
slow yeah, shocking everybody.

Travis (20:42):
Yeah, military loves irony this is interesting,
though.

Josh (20:46):
So it was captured by a us navy fa18 super hornet off the
east coast of the united statesin 2015.
Yeah, they said what?
Uh, or?
Virginia yeah, virginia beach.
The video was leaked to tomdelong.
He co-founded to the stars inc.
And he was the first to obtainthe copy of the video and the
pentagon later verified it.

(21:06):
So that's really cool.
Yeah, gives you a new uh foundrespect for blink 182 I thought
you were gonna say newfoundGives a new meaning to Green Day
.
Right, right, such a simple plan, uh-huh, wow.
Yeah, I know I could go on.

Travis (21:22):
Sum 41.

Josh (21:26):
We're just going to start naming late 90s punk bands.
Yeah.

Travis (21:29):
Okay, so Tom DeLonge, why were they released to him?

Josh (21:32):
Because he was a founder of To the Stars Inc, which is
scientists, engineers.
It's a company that deals withmedia.
They produce and then theyobviously help leak images and
video in the name of science.
That's my overall understanding.
I don't think that's exactlywhat they do.

Travis (21:51):
Formerly known as To the Stars Academy of Arts and
Sciences, san Diego-basedcompany co-founded by Tom
DeLonge, harold E Putoff and JimSemivan, who is a retired CIA
intelligence officer of thecompany, which is composed of
aerospace, science andentertainment divisions, has
produced music recordings, books, television shows and films.
Focus of the company is thepromotion of UFOs and other

(22:12):
fringe science.

Josh (22:14):
Ooh Like.
What?
What's another fringe science?
Ooh Like what?

Travis (22:17):
What's another fringe science?
Fringe science first, the ideaswhose attributes include being
highly speculative or relying onpremises already refuted.
Fringe science theories areoften advanced by people who
have no traditional academicscience background the paranoid
freaks.
That's not a Wikipedia entry,that's my own editorializing.

Josh (22:36):
That's very nice of entry.
That's my own editorializing.

Travis (22:38):
That was very, very nice of you or by researchers
outside the mainstreamdiscipline.
The general public hasdifficulty distinguishing
between science and itsimitators and in some cases, a
yearning to believe or ageneralized suspicion of experts
is a very potent incentive toaccepting pseudoscientific
claims.
So French science coverseverything from novel hypotheses
, which can be tested utilizingthe scientific method, to wild

(22:58):
ad hoc hypotheses and mumbojumbo that's in the Wikipedia
article, mumbo jumbo that wasnot me editorializing.
This has resulted in a tendencyto dismiss all fringe science
as the domain ofpseudoscientists, hobbyists and
quacks.
So you can see, like myskepticism, because a lot of
people that are trying to pushthis forward are the kind of
people that are like oh no, Idid my own research.

(23:19):
Well, ok, but your research isvery focused and you're not
looking to dispute somethingthat you feel is true.
Right, you're not looking at abroad sense, you are looking to
like validating your ownviewpoint.

Josh (23:31):
Yeah, I agree, a lot of people are that way.
They're not a lot of privateinvestigators with extreme
passion If you were to confirmthat what they saw.

Travis (23:41):
Confirmation bias is the word I'm looking for.
So they're looking to confirmtheir own bias, if you were to
debate be like no, this isn't it.

Josh (23:46):
They wouldn't believe you, right?
Because the reality is isanything that is identified will
help the cause of identifying.
Unidentified things will helpthe cause of identifying
unidentified things Right soit's actually a good thing
identifying stuff it really is,because that helps us determine
what's what it allows us to pushour science.

Travis (24:04):
That's not what we're talking about, though.
We're not talking aboutidentifying stuff.
We're talking about people thatare researching with one idea
in mind, and they see somethingthat they don't have the
vocabulary to describe, and thenthey're like oh, that's alien.

Josh (24:21):
Of course that's alien.
Of course that's alien.
Look how fast it moves insteadof like looking into what it
actually might be.
You know well what.
Why I brought that up isbecause it would be a good
mindset for them to be in, to beokay at not being what they
thought it was.
But it is hard for some ofthese very passionate people who
have I mean, there's somepeople that are there with all
the same military equipmentdoing this research, trying to
find answers and footage, andwhen they show this stuff and

(24:42):
it's proven, not correct, theywill not believe it.
The right mindset going in islike thank you for proving me
wrong, now we can further lookinto other things, right, and
now we know what this is, yeah,so that'll help determine what
other things are in the future.
That's the right mindset to goin.
You're saying a lot of thesepeople will not allow their

(25:04):
viewpoint to be changed, right.
They're going in trying to finda UFO.
Whatever they see is a UFO.

Travis (25:10):
So we talked about this a little bit on the last episode
, with these eyewitnessesexperiencing something and I'm
not saying that they didn'texperience a thing like that.
That needs to be validated, andwhat they saw or heard, you
know, was an experience thatthey had.
But is it necessarily thisotherworldly thing, who knows?
Yeah, Not really.
I mean, I'm still skeptical, butthat doesn't mean that the

(25:32):
experience they had wasn'tsomething that they had.
Right, that was very.
That was their truth.
That was something that theyfeel happened to them.
They just maybe lacked all theinformation you know, or the
vocabulary being you know wetalked about with the aerial
school, you know a trick of thelight, or you know hyperbole.

(26:01):
Somebody had said something andthen, as you know kids are
prone to do, spread throughoutthe whole population, kind of
like the game of telephone whereyou say one thing and then it
gets more exciting and moreexciting though, or scary or
scary, the further along itpasses through the population.
So who knows those people'sexperiences?
They felt like happened to themand I feel like that's that's
valid.
That was an experience thatthey had, was it?

(26:21):
Was it true?
I don't know.

Josh (26:22):
And that's.
That's the thing.

Travis (26:23):
Those are the people that are like being quoted and
interviewed and, you know,driving the narrative.
There we go, the narrativeforward and that's why there is
so much skepticism among peoplelike myself and I would say
broadly you know the broadpopulation.
They look at that as like well,those are just wackos talking
about paranoid, crazy stuff.

Josh (26:46):
And that's what's so exciting about these videos
being released and people I meansmartest people in the world
trying to figure out what it is,and still can't.
They don't have an explanation,we don't know what they are.

Travis (26:59):
Well, I would like to push back on them, not knowing
what the explanation is.
I'm sure that there are peoplewithin the government that do
know what it is, but what thepeople that are releasing this
information don't know, becausea lot of it is still classified.
I'm sure that you know all ofthe information that was
released at this military basein the Middle East.
They are only talking about theinformation that they are able

(27:22):
to talk about.
They were pretty cagey abouteven talking about the things
that they were talking about,like looking Jeremy and George
Knapp looking at each other tomake sure that they weren't
saying anything that couldn't besaid, because there's still
some classified information andthey were probably feeling under
pressure that if they were tosay the wrong thing, that the

(27:44):
government was going to swoop inand disappear them.
I'm just kidding.
I'm not saying that themilitary is going to come in or
the government's going to comein and disappear Jeremy Corbell
or George Knapp.
That's not what.

Josh (27:49):
I'm saying I mean they're prepared for that?

Travis (27:51):
Or maybe.

Josh (27:59):
They really are prepared for that.
George Knapp was mentioningwith this jellyfish video how a
lot of people online are veryupset because they're releasing
things that haven't beenauthenticated Very similar to
the Mexico alien mummy that theyended up finding out later was
not real.
So a lot of online people aresaying it's very irresponsible
that you're sending this outwithout it being authenticated.

Travis (28:16):
So to speak, to that I there have been, you know,
dinosaur bones.
Let's use, uh, brontosaurus,like brontosaurus was let's do a
different one let's, let'sfound.
Okay, you want to do it.
I'm just saying brontosauruswas found to not actually exist.
It's a brachiosaurus.
They got the bones wrong.
Yeah, they, they pieced thingstogether, do I think that that
was irresponsible?
That me, growing up,brontosaurus was the fucking

(28:38):
raddest dinosaur ever.
You could slide down its neckand go to work.
You know, jump in yourfoot-powered car, right,
brontosaurus man, they live inyour house.
They spit water on you whenyou're showering.
That was early, yeah, early,caveman stuff.
The pressure on science to getit right, I think, is misplaced,
because science is thediscovery of information, right,

(29:00):
science is always trying tolearn.
So, ricky Gervais I don't wantto get too political, but Ricky
Gervais has this line if youwere to destroy all of the
religious texts and all of thescience texts, in a thousand
years all of those science bookswould still exist.
But in a thousand years all ofthose science books would still
exist.
But in a thousand years all ofthe religious texts would not.
Because those are whatever.

(29:22):
They're stories, right, andstories are going to change
throughout history.
So, people, they've added andsubtracted the Bible.
When you think about when theBible was written, there was
transcribed by monks who werecopying from a copy, from a copy
from a copy, and they werewriting down stuff in the
margins, things that theythought were interesting, and
then sometimes those margins gotincorporated into the text.
This was all done by hand, verylaborious work.

Josh (29:44):
And so there was a type of worship for them.

Travis (29:47):
Yep, and so there were some cheats and shortcuts.
They're humans, just like anyhuman in any job.
They're going to take shortcutsand they're going to make
something into their own, createan artistic flourish, or
they're really captivated by aline that they thought of or had
said, and so they're going toincorporate that into the Bible.
And some of it is just very I'mnot trying to make anybody mad,
but it's very lazy writing justlike literarily, where it's

(30:07):
just like hand baguette, blah,baguette, blah, baguette, blah.
And there's piles of thoseentries in the Bible where it's
just like this person had thisperson, who had this person, who
had this person.
It's just a genealogy.

Josh (30:18):
Yeah, which was very important back then.

Travis (30:20):
Sure, Long story short.
If the Bible was destroyed, allcopies of the Bible were
destroyed, there's no way thatthose, even with biblical
scholars, there's no way thatthat exact version of the Bible
would be created.
Yeah, because we don't have thesame process that they did back
, then we would be created?

Josh (30:36):
Yeah, because we don't have the same process that they
did back then, we would onlyhave word of mouth.

Travis (30:38):
At this point there's no way to test it.

Josh (30:39):
A word would change here and there, or a sentence would
change.

Travis (30:48):
But every science book that we have now proving gravity
works and air resistance andfluid dynamics, we would all be
able to test.
Those and those same bookswould exist a thousand years
from now.

Josh (30:54):
Yeah, you believe you're skeptical.
I believe I'm not skeptical.
We both don't know much andwe're learning together.
I think eventually we will knowa lot.
You know, we're already talkingabout all these different
things, referencing all thesedifferent things, and we've only
done a handful of episodes.
Yeah, we could be a superpowerat some point with our minds.

(31:14):
We could learn so much and justbe like, wow, we know all this
stuff now.
Sure.

Travis (31:21):
That could learn so much and just be like, wow, we know
all this stuff now.
Sure that's exciting.

Josh (31:23):
It is exciting, or I could still be a forever skeptic.

Travis (31:24):
I'm going to be a forever skeptic.
I just I.
I am, that's in my, uh, that'sin my nature, like I don't need
to behold something firsthand tobelieve it.
But I think there needs to be anarrative shift, like who is
driving this movement, and itneeds to move away from these
personal emotional experiencesand something more, like what

(31:45):
we're talking about or not.
That video footage isphotoshopped or is current
technology that we have here butit's just inaccessible to us in
the united states.

(32:06):
What we need to do is shootthose things down you sound like
a president.

Josh (32:13):
We need to shoot those things down well, we saw this.

Travis (32:16):
What uh like back in 20, 2021, that chinese balloon that
was floating around and peoplewere like what the fuck is going
on?
What the fuck is going on andit's just like floating.
Yeah, it's like a surveillanceballoon.
It was a surveillance balloontracking tiktokers.

Josh (32:31):
Uh, yeah, it was it was tiktok it was music, music ly or
whatever music dot ly musically.

Travis (32:37):
Uh, it was those guys.
Yeah, yeah, somebody shouldlook into that tiktok yeah, no
one will ever look into that.

Josh (32:42):
They got away scot-free they did.

Travis (32:44):
Yeah, they're not definitely getting banned uh,
it's a whole nother.
Thing but not really like the.
That weather balloon was abellwether where we're starting
to realize we're gettingsurveilled, surveyed surveyed.
Yeah, it's true, and they arebanning tiktok because it seems
as though it's an uncensoredplatform where they can't think

(33:06):
of all the people that areposting dances and all the
information that is gatheredjust through, like if you and I
were to film a tiktok dance here.
There are so much that can begleaned from you, mean, when we
when, of course, we're doing itright now, we're actually
dancing, we're doing this verycool dance.
It's very complicated, uh, notunlike, uh, the australian break

(33:26):
dancer from the olympics.
Yes, but there's a lot ofinformation that can be gleaned
just from us filming in yourhouse.
You can look at and get a basicidea of how you are doing
financially just by looking atyour surroundings.

Josh (33:39):
Oh, absolutely, and you get exact location, all this
stuff, you get exact locations.

Travis (33:43):
If people are doing that in public spaces, you can get
information there.
So there's a lot of informationthat's being gathered, and
that's the problem with TikTokis it's gathering all this
information and nobody knows.
Facebook, instagram they're alldoing the same things, but the
reason the United States feelsit's so threatening is because
TikTok is based out of China.

Josh (34:00):
Yeah, and they don't like it.
That is a huge reason.
But I also think there's morethan one reason.
I think that TikTok because ofhow fast everything's moving and
it's not just dances I mean,half of it is dances, but
there's no, I know, I know, Iknow and I'm just saying there's
a lot of information beingspread that they can't censor.

Travis (34:17):
That's a lot of people's entry point, and what a lot of
people spend their time doing isjust looking at dances and
things like that they're justscrolling through all of this
stuff.

Josh (34:26):
But this wouldn't be the first time that the United
States has tried to censorsomething or hide something.

Travis (34:31):
Well, I mean China's doing that.
You can't get Facebook in China.
Twitter was not outside ofjournalistic groups.
You couldn't even really getTwitter in China.

Josh (34:41):
But I mean there's tons of UAP and investigators on TikTok
that are doing these kinds ofthings and tons of other things.
You know there's trends thatare going on or we're learning
about things that the governmentdoesn't want us to be learning
about, whether it be riots orinformation over here.
You know just all thesedifferent things, that this
information is being produced sofast and it's instantaneous

(35:03):
around the whole world, thatthey can't censor it, they can't
do anything, and that's athreat.
That's a huge threat, because alot of people are getting their
news, their information, fromTikTok or from these social
media sites, not just the mediasthat are getting paid off by
the government, just the mediasthat are getting paid off by the
government, and this lines upwith what they've been doing and
not showing any information onany of these flying objects.

(35:25):
They don't care and, just likesome of these pilots said, if
these were fighter jets we wouldattack.
This would be a very seriousthing, but because they look
different, we're ignoring themcompletely.
That's strange, that's reallystrange.
So it could be like you said,some people in the military know
what's going on and I thinkthat's part of this whole
movement is there is informationout there that we don't have.

(35:45):
They're withholding it andwe're trying to gather as much
information as we can to make acause to push back and say like,
look, this is real, this is outhere.
We've already gotten all theway to Congress and we're making
some really good headway.
Yeah.

Travis (36:05):
The US government and military, specifically, are in a
very good position right nowbecause they can acknowledge
that there are these UAPs.
But then, in that same breath,they can also discredit all of
these people, like the JeremyCorbells and George Knapps and
Bob Lazar's of the world, andsay like well, these guys are
insane.
Like listen to what they'resaying, yeah, these things exist
, but what they're saying iswrong, and they can still hold

(36:28):
on to the information they haveand discredit those people.
And then you know people likeme like see these fringe
spokespeople with their podcastsand their wild bullhorns
shouting down any sort of otherinformation that could be coming
out.

Josh (36:37):
And I think it's important , like we were talking about
with George Knapp and JeremyCorbell releasing this without
it being authenticated.
If they didn't do it, no onewould have and we would have
never found out about it.
So, just like these otherthings, now this is out in the
open.
The Pentagon now has to make astatement about it and say, yes,
it was real.
We don't know what it is, whichis fine.

(36:58):
Now say, yes, it was real.
We don't know what it is, whichis fine.
Now, that means it'sauthenticated.
Yeah, they said this is real,whatever blah blah.
I imagine that will happen,unless it's not, and then it'll
turn out a different way.
But I think these guys do thedue diligence in getting this
information leaked.
They're getting thisinformation, these videos, from
the right people, people thatare trustworthy, that are in
power to help the cause, butobviously there's fear behind it

(37:21):
.
So why is there fear?
Why is there all thesedifferent things that are going
on?
What do you mean?
Why is it being leaked?
Why can't they just come outwith it?
Uh, I mean, it's just a reactionoff Mike was well, someone's
going to die.

Travis (37:35):
That's a fear?
I mean it is it.
Is it that's a fear it, I meanit is.
It is a.
It is a fear because it's themilitary guarding this
information, and that has alwaysbeen a fear.
Military is known fordisappearing people.
We have a central intelligencesecret service just the name
alone, secret service.
Like what are they up to?
I don't know.
It's a secret.
Yeah, those agencies are,they're meant to be clandestine
and go in and and operateaccording to the will of

(37:59):
whoever's in charge, and then,ultimately, sometimes the
president.
Yeah, so they are viewing thesethings as information and they
want it leaked out according totheir timeline.

Josh (38:10):
So another leak that happened that Jeremy Corbell was
part of was the Pyramid UAPfrom the USS Russell.
That was leaked to Jeremy andhe presented it.
The video was taken in July2019 in San Diego.
Personnel on the ship reportedthat they had observed and
recorded multiple pyramid shapedcrafts about 700 feet above.
A spokesperson from thePentagon actually said I can

(38:32):
confirm that the referencedphotos and videos were taken by
the Navy personnel.
The UAPTF has included theseincidences in their ongoing
examinations.
Look at us.
What if we do this podcast?
We ended up becoming veryknowledgeable and in a few years
, all of a sudden, we're aspokesperson and someone leaks

(38:52):
us information.
What would we do with that?

Travis (38:54):
Release that dick, yeah we would, we would absolutely
release it.
Well, would that be uhirresponsible of us to do that.

Josh (39:03):
I mean, this is all hypothetical it's hypothetical,
but I I think it would be theresponsible thing to do and go
about it like george knap andjeremy saying we don't know what
this is, we're letting you knowexactly what's happening.
I mean they're not doinganything irresponsible.
They're saying we got thisvideo.
We're not saying that it'sextraterrestrial, we don't know
what it is.
It's obviously surveying.

(39:23):
It's obviously intelligentlycontrolled.
Yeah, this is talking about thejellyfish spaghetti monster UFO
.

Travis (39:30):
I want to go on record right now and say please don't
release this stuff to us.
We're very irresponsible.
I don't know what we'd do withit.
Probably not the right thing.
I would say this is best leftin the hands of professionals
Like what if we becomeprofessionals?

Josh (39:42):
That's what I'm saying.
Come on, we don't know, that'snot going to happen.
Good, but yeah, don't give usanything.

Travis (39:47):
Don't give us anything that is incredibly irresponsible
.
We have families.
We have families.
Jeremy Corbell is best suitedfor this kind of towards an app.

Josh (39:55):
Honestly, if something got leaked to me, I would get ahold
of them.
Yeah, that's basically whatwould happen.

Travis (40:00):
What do I do?
And then he's like oh you know,I already have that information
.
Sorry, dumb, dumb.

Josh (40:04):
Yeah, old news, yeah.
So yeah, there's been tons ofUAP videos released, some in the
Middle East, just like thejellyfish one and there's also
huge databases and social mediaplatforms that are about people
experiencing things, and theycan upload video or audio, text
or images.

(40:24):
It'll give you location.
There's tons of stuff out thereand there's a huge community
trying to build this database.
Some of these may not be real.
I was in Texas earlier thisyear, humble brag, and we saw
the SpaceLink satellites, whereit's like 23 satellites.
It just looks like a bunch ofUFOs flying through the sky.

(40:46):
Luckily, I was with my brotherand he knew exactly what it was.
He's like oh yeah, no, that's.

Travis (40:50):
And see that's.
That's the thing is.

Josh (40:52):
You were with somebody who understood what was going on,
but you if I didn't have that, Iwouldn't have known what that
was, because I didn't even knowthat was launched off, You'd
have a panic attack.

Travis (41:00):
Oh yeah.

Josh (41:01):
I'd be filming it.
I'd be like what is this?
Oh my gosh.

Travis (41:03):
This is what Ernest Cline was writing about in
Armada.
Aliens are here.
Oh my God, yeah, yeah.

Josh (41:09):
Yeah, there's a bunch.
He says I just the podcastepisode of jeremy and him and
nap talking.
Yeah, ernest klein has so muchinformation that he information
dumped on that episode.
Yeah, about everything.
And when you said that my mindjust started exploding of

(41:30):
everything that he said like I'msurprised his mind is that's he
has to write books or he'sgonna explode.
Yeah, he has to have some kindof outlet because he has so much
going on.
He retains everything he hearsand sees.

Travis (41:42):
Yeah, it's.
Uh, I don't know if you've readready player one or ready
player two is not like aphenomenal piece of writing, but
it is.
It's fun Read ready player one,though, was one of the best
books I read the year that itcame out.

Josh (41:53):
That was exciting and I was like, oh man, somebody
remembers the 80s.

Travis (42:04):
This fucking rules All in all these videos.
Has this done anything for yourskepticism?
No, I don't.
I'm going to take the side thatthey're unidentified and you
know I appreciate the nature inwhich these videos were released
.
Thoughtfully released, yeah, Imean.
They weren't releasedintentionally, government
acknowledging that they exist,but they're also unsure of what
it is.
It's still unidentified, right?

(42:25):
I do appreciate that.
Whether or not it's aliens, I'mnot a believer.

Josh (42:31):
Do you want to take a guess?
What do you think?
Do you think it's othercountries'?

Travis (42:34):
technology you do.

Josh (42:35):
Yep, that's boring.

Travis (42:38):
No, it's not.
It's engaging.
You believe one thing, Ibelieve another, and we're
talking about that and mine'smore exciting.
Okay, but for the purposes of apodcast it is more exciting to
have two differing opinions.
That is true.
If we're just talking about thesame thing and validating each
other's experience or opinion,then it's boring.

Josh (42:56):
That's boring to me that's just mentally edging each other
.

Travis (42:59):
We're just slowly getting closer to completion.
But never, quite getting there.

Josh (43:05):
You're right?
No, you're right.

Travis (43:06):
Yeah, you're totally right.
I'm right, we're brighttogether.

Josh (43:13):
Oh God, so close.
I think that this authenticatesthat there is something out
there we don't know what it is.

Travis (43:15):
It is unidentified.
Like you said, I'm on record.
I believe there is somethingout there.
I don't think we have enoughinformation to prove that, even
though in my heart of hearts Ifeel like there is something out
there.
There has to be.
There has to be.
Otherwise, this is a verydepressing, lonely place.

Josh (43:29):
Well, you know what you mentioned multiple times, that
maybe you just don't have allthe information and maybe
throughout this podcast, uslearning You're putting a lot of
weight on this podcast, uslearning.

Travis (43:38):
You're putting a lot of weight on this podcast and I
don't want to do that I like theexploratory idea of this
podcast.
I don't want to put a lot ofpressure on myself becoming an
expert or whatever.

Josh (43:46):
I just like-.
No, I'm just saying that maybesomeday your opinion will change
because you'll have some of theinformation that you don't have
.

Travis (43:52):
Maybe I'm not putting that much pressure on future
Travis.
I've gone down that road before.
Future Travis looks on pastTravis very negatively sometimes
and I don't want to do that tomy future self.
I'm not going to put that kindof pressure on me.
I like the exploration of thispodcast.
I like where this is going.
I don't want to get to thepoint where I see myself as an
expert.
I want to see myself always asan amateur.

(44:13):
I'm doing this.
That's great as a definition ofamateur.
I'm doing this because I aminterested in it.
I am doing this for the love ofinformation.

Josh (44:21):
Yeah, and honestly, that's why I'm doing it.
I was just having fun thinkingabout that, yeah.

Travis (44:29):
But I'm not wanting to become an expert.
You're edging yourself intocelebrity.

Josh (44:31):
I've never been an expert in anything and I don't plan on
being an expert, but it's justfascinating and fun and I'm very
curious, sure, if you guys haveany feedback on what we're
talking about.

Travis (44:42):
Eventually we'll have a website Eventually we'll have a
website.
Or an email address, which islike the simplest entry point we
don't have yet.

Josh (44:48):
Well, you know what?
We could get one, and if thefeedback isn't good, we could
get rid of it and then go backto be like, yeah, we don't have
one yet.

Travis (44:57):
Sorry guys, we just changed one letter of our email
address.
Yeah, sorry, it's in the shownotes.
It always changes.

Josh (45:04):
But yeah, if you guys have any feedback of what we're
saying, any corrections, and itcould be feedback about anything
about how the structure of theshow is.

Travis (45:12):
Sure, come at me, you paranoid freaks.
I want to hear it.
Just don't be irresponsiblewith your information that
you're sending us.

Josh (45:17):
I think they prefer passionate investigators.
Sure, if you guys have anyquestions or any episode topics
or anything like that, you can.

Travis (45:26):
I think that would be interesting.
If we can get feedback on thedirection of the show, like
maybe give us some topics todiscuss.
If you guys like our opinion sofar, that would be fun.

Josh (45:36):
And that's the thing I mean.
These are such big topics.
I mean we could talk for sixhours about just these videos,
and there's other videos that wedidn't even talk about.
We can only talk about so much.
There's so much going on.
I mean roswell.

Travis (45:49):
We didn't talk about half of what happened with
roswell yeah, you might not evenbe able to hear this episode
because it got scrubbed by theus military by the roswell
people we may have accidentallymisspoke and released
declassified informationunknowingly, and so the us
government has scrubbed thisepisode.
So you never know, we might noteven be uh, this may be found,
we might not even be real people.

Josh (46:10):
Yeah we could be ais.
Yeah, we could be ais, createdby the government to confuse you
, but that's not true.
We're not.
I mean, I don't think we arethat's exactly what an ai would
say oh man, well an ai wouldn'tbe wrong on all their quizzes.

Travis (46:25):
Oh boy, baseline quiz time my favorite part of the
show.
Yeah, oh no a name.
Twin baseline colon abductionof Travis Walton is the theme of
this quiz.

Josh (46:42):
Yes, so this is what we'll be talking about next episode.
I don't know anything aboutthis.

Travis (46:47):
I don't either, so this is going to be real fun.
Other than I know we share aname.

Josh (46:52):
Which may not be a coincidence.

Travis (46:54):
We share initials Travis Wright.

Josh (46:57):
Travis Walton, t-dub, t-dubs.
Okay, well, uh, initials TravisWright.
Travis Walton, t-dub, t-dub,t-dubs.
Okay, well, let's get thisgoing.
So the abduction of TravisWalton.
We have five questions.

Travis (47:05):
Uh-oh, clear winner and loser this time then yeah, not a
tie, no chance for a tie.

Josh (47:10):
Well, and we both don't know what's going on.

Travis (47:12):
So I'm going to be guessing on all of these, but
I'm just saying there's nochance for a tie like we did
last week.

Josh (47:17):
Oh, that's right, Unless we both answer the same things
every single time.
Yeah, I guess.

Travis (47:23):
But I don't see that happening.
No.

Josh (47:25):
All right.
So first question when did thealleged abduction of Travis
Walton take place?
Okay, november 5th 1975.
These are all November 5ths,yeah.

Travis (47:37):
November 5th 2001.
Remember, remember, the 5th ofNovember.
Ooh, you familiar with that.

Josh (47:42):
Yeah.

Travis (47:42):
V for Vendetta.

Josh (47:43):
Yeah, it's one of my favorites.

Travis (47:44):
Yeah, Guy Fawkes blew up House of Commons.

Josh (47:46):
November 5th 1982.
November 5th 1959.

Travis (47:51):
Okay, I'm going to say November 5th 1975.

Josh (47:54):
I was going to say that too you can say it Okay, that
too you can say it okay yeah, sois this.

Travis (48:01):
This is just seems like a really good year for
abductions encounters.
What is the other really scaryalien movie?
It'll come to me okay, but Ithink this, this experience, was
cinematically adapted oh,interesting.

Josh (48:11):
Okay, we both said november 5th 1975.
I hope we're correct.
So who was travis wal?
Yeah, a 30-year-old fireman, a16-year-old newspaper carrier, a
21-year-old forestry worker, a42-year-old bartender.

Travis (48:26):
So do you want to hear some deductions in real time, or
are we just going to guess?

Josh (48:31):
Yeah, we can do deductions .

Travis (48:32):
I'm going to rule out a 30-year-old fireman.
I don't know why, but my gut istelling me that's not it.

Josh (48:40):
I don't know why, but my gut is telling me that's, that's
not it.

Travis (48:41):
I don't think it's a newspaper carrier.
I think and I think the personis older was older than 16 yes
so I'm I'm gonna say thatforestry worker maybe I mean
firemen and forestry worker are.
They share similar jobdescriptions putting out fires
right a forestry worker doesn'tnecessarily just do fires no,
you're right, but they are.

(49:01):
They're tracking what happensin the forest.

Josh (49:03):
Which is also part of their purview is forest fires
yeah, I'm between bartender 42year old bartender and 20 year
old forestry worker.
Forestry worker, I'm thinking,because if he's out in the
forest, I'm thinking forestryworker as well, because it's
isolated.

Travis (49:17):
I want to rule out bartender, because then that
introduces an alcoholic elementto it and would, in my mind,
instantly discredit somebody.
So I think I'm with you withthe forestry worker, so maybe
there is going to be a tie okay,next question.

Josh (49:31):
I say 21 year old forest worker.
To next question in what statedid the abduction take place?
Arizona, nevada, new Mexico,colorado, oh, I think well.
I'm going to say Arizona.

Travis (49:46):
Okay, geez.
Well, I was going to saybetween Nevada and New Mexico,
because it seems like that'swhere a lot of this activity has
been taking place, a documentedactivity that we've covered on
the podcast.
So I'm going to go betweenNevada and New Mexico.
I'm going to settle on Actuallyyou know what?
Forestry worker Nevada, newMexico, arizona.

Josh (50:10):
Colorado has forest desert .
I'm going to sit with Arizona.

Travis (50:13):
I'm going to Colorado.

Josh (50:15):
Okay, who was witness to the abduction?
No one His girlfriend, threefamily members, six coworkers.

Travis (50:24):
I'm going to say no one.

Josh (50:26):
Oh man, I'm going to say his girlfriend.

Travis (50:29):
I'm going to say personal account.

Josh (50:31):
Next question what did officials think happened to
Travis?
He was murdered, he ran away,he overdosed, he slept in, he
slept in.
I'm going to say he wasmurdered, he ran away, he
overdosed, he slept in, he sleptin.

Travis (50:42):
I'm going to say he was murdered.

Josh (50:45):
I mean, I don't know.
I don't know what the story is.

Travis (50:47):
I'm going to say he ran away.
Okay, he slept in.

Josh (50:52):
We don't know the story.

Travis (50:53):
I know, but what do officials think happened to him?
He slept in, he missed hisalarm and then was gone.

Josh (50:59):
Maybe thing happened to him.
He slept like he missed hisalarm and then was gone.
Maybe it depends on how long hewas out, which is the next
question.
Okay, how long was travismissing?
18 hours, two days, five daysor 10 days?

Travis (51:09):
I'm gonna go five days.
I was gonna go five days.

Josh (51:11):
You can go five days, okay .
We didn't do all of them, okay,so I think five days.
Let's view our accuracy.
Oh, it did take place onNovember 5th 1975.

Travis (51:22):
Yes.

Josh (51:22):
He was a 21-year-old forest worker, yep Dang,
colorado's wrong, it was Arizona.

Travis (51:29):
Yeah, good job.
I said no one.

Josh (51:32):
Who were the witnesses?
You said no one.
I said his girlfriend.

Travis (51:35):
Six co-workers saw it.

Josh (51:36):
Six co -workers.

Travis (51:38):
I said ran away.
I said murdered.

Josh (51:40):
Murdered was correct.
The officials thought he wasmurdered and he was gone for
five days.

Travis (51:46):
Five days.
So let's see One, two, three,three out of five, not bad.

Josh (51:52):
It's actually six questions.
I was wrong.
One, two, three, four, five.
I got five out of six.

Travis (51:58):
I got three.

Josh (51:59):
Man, that's still pretty good for just guessing.

Travis (52:07):
Okay, so the true story of Travis Walton retells the
world-famous 1975 UFO abductionof a 24-year-old logger from
Snowflake, Arizona, whodisappeared after a blue beam
from a craft overhead catapultedhim 40 feet into the air.
The crew left him for dead.
The truth lies in this film.
Walton came back to tell it.

Josh (52:19):
Cool, I'm excited we haven't done an abduction story,
have we?

Travis (52:22):
No Fire in the Sky.
That was the movie that I wasthinking of.

Josh (52:25):
Oh, okay, which is a terrifying movie.
Is it based off of this?
Yes, oh wow.

Travis (52:30):
Yeah.
So the synopsis Fire in the SkyIn 1975.
Home after working in a forest,when they see a mysterious
light, Intrigued, travis Walton,played by DB Sweeney, leaves
the truck, only to be sucked upby a flying saucer.
The other four men report thestrange event, but they are
skeptically interrogated byLieutenant Frank Waters, played
by James Garner, who suspectsthat murder is behind Walton's

(52:52):
disappearance.
When Walton reappears five dayslater, his story of alien
abduction is met with disbelief.
It's a terrifying movie.
Fire in the sky.

Josh (53:01):
It's a terrifying story For sure.
I'm excited to dig into this.
Well, thank you everyone forlistening.

Travis (53:07):
Smash that like button, sure Rate review, subscribe all
those things.

Josh (53:12):
Yeah, that does help us get known.
Yep, puts us higher up inalgorithms and all that jazz.
So yeah, if you guys could dothat.
If puts us higher up inalgorithms and all that jazz, so
yeah, if you guys could do that.
If not, that's fine, we'restill going to be making
episodes and we will talk to younext time.

Travis (53:26):
Yeah, see you later, you paranoid freaks Also.
I love you and please beresponsible with any information
you give us.
Bye, thank you.