Sky Battles! Unexplained Aerial Phenomena Throughout History

What happens when multiple witnesses observe aerial warfare between unidentified flying objects? Throughout history, four remarkable incidents have left historians and researchers baffled, each describing what appears to be organized combat in the skies.

The 1561 phenomenon over Nuremberg remains one of history's most puzzling aerial events. Witnesses described blood-red semicircular arcs, spheres, and crosses battling above them before falling to earth with immense smoke. Five years later, citizens of Basel, Switzerland experienced a similar week-long display of "fiery red" objects and black spheres moving with uncanny precision. These medieval accounts, preserved only through religious broadsheets, force us to question whether natural phenomena like bird murmurations or atmospheric effects can adequately explain what these observers recorded.

Perhaps most compelling is the 1665 Stralsund incident, where fishermen claimed to witness ship-like formations engaging in battle, complete with cannon fire and smoke. When a flat, disc-shaped object "like a big man's hat" appeared over the church until evening, it created one of history's earliest descriptions matching modern UFO encounters.

The most recent and well-documented case occurred during WWII. In 1942, Los Angeles fell under siege from an unidentified aerial threat that prompted military forces to fire over 1,400 anti-aircraft rounds without bringing down any target. Despite occurring in modern times with photography available, this "Battle of Los Angeles" remains unexplained, with theories ranging from Japanese aircraft to experimental technology to extraterrestrial visitors.

What makes these accounts so fascinating isn't just their individual details, but the remarkable consistency of elements across centuries – structured formations, battle maneuvers, and objects that defy conventional explanation. While skeptics point to mass hysteria or misidentified natural phenomena, the persistence of these sky battle reports across different eras suggests something more mysterious might occasionally visit our skies.

Have you ever witnessed something unexplainable moving through the sky? Share your experience with us, or let us know which historical sky battle you find most compelling!

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Episode Transcript

Josh (00:03):
aliens aliens yes but maybe no.

Travis (00:19):
Welcome back you guys.
Welcome to the.
I said I'm saying welcome toomany times.
I think Scratch this.
Josh deleted all.
Welcome to the show.
Aliens, yes, but maybe no.
I'm Travis, I'm Josh, and thisis an otherworldly podcast, as
ambiguous as our title.

Josh (00:38):
Should we do that first part again?
No, leave it Double it Anepisode of just intros.
Yeah, no, leave it, double itAn episode of just intros.

Travis (00:44):
That's it.
That's all we need, we're goingto record it in a couple of
weeks, so I'm a little rusty.
I got too excited to introducethe show so I said welcome.
I am very happy that you guysare here listening to us.
I will say that I am too Triplethe welcome, josh.

Josh (00:58):
Most of the episodes we've recorded that are being
released.
We recorded and had no episodesout, so now we have a few
episodes out and it's kind ofcool to see people listening to
it, hearing some feedback.
We're in a different era now,in our podcast.

Travis (01:12):
We have people listening to the show.
Yeah, oh, I'm going to be a lotquieter.

Josh (01:17):
Shy A little shy boy.

Travis (01:20):
So what are we doing today?
Do we want to talk about whatwe did on our last episode?
I can't even remember.

Josh (01:25):
We did the final segment of the congressional hearings.

Travis (01:29):
That was our last episode.
That was months ago.

Josh (01:32):
Yeah, we did it in January .
We did Immaculate Consolation,that's right, which is still
creepy.
It bothers me that that allexists and the government is
doing all this stuff.
I'm almost speechless with it,Like come on.

Travis (01:45):
Well, don't be speechless.
This is a podcast, so we weneed that from.
I will use speech okay for thelisteners, yeah I'm used to
doing all the heavy lifting onthe show, so that's good yeah,
we call you the talent.

Josh (01:58):
No, you don't.
Yeah, we do.
We clean the house when youcome.
I think that's uh the talent'scoming.
That's sarcasm so, yeah, we, wefinished that, we went through.
So if you haven't heard thoseepisodes, I recommend listening
to them.
It's pretty informative.
We kind of go through if youhaven't been following any of
the congressional stuff oranything that has been released.
With that we'll kind of give youthe elementary equivalent of

(02:20):
information for that the aliens,yes, but maybe no notes of it,
like cliff's notes, but for ourshow yeah, so in this immaculate
consolation at the very end,like we do every episode, we
kind of give a sneak peek forthe next topic and we did a quiz
about this topic I gotta saylike instant boner when I read
the title.

Travis (02:41):
Oh, yeah topic for today .

Josh (02:43):
Yeah, I've been thinking about it nonstop.

Travis (02:45):
It is a very interesting title.
So today we're talking aboutSky Battles.
Just the thought of Sky Battlesis so fucking cool.

Josh (02:53):
Some days I would wake up and I would open my eyes and
just say Sky Battles.

Travis (02:58):
You know what I did last night just to get ready for
this.
I watched Top Gun.

Josh (03:01):
Hey, that's great.

Travis (03:03):
Yeah, guess what's in top gun sky battles volleyball
oh yeah, yeah, they had uh thattoo yeah, and sky battles and
sky battles yeah which is a lotof fun.
I haven't seen that.

Josh (03:16):
I watched it with my youngest I was more of a fan of
iron eagle oh, with lewisgossett jr yeah, that was my jam
.

Travis (03:23):
Okay, so Sky Battles.
You love it.
I love the idea of itAbsolutely.
I think it's fun.

Josh (03:28):
Yeah, and I think we can hold on to that idea.
So when you're feeling like alittle skepticism, I can just
realize Sky Battles.

Travis (03:36):
We introduced the fact that Sky Battles have maybe
existed, and now let's just moveon to the quiz for the next
episode.

Josh (03:41):
Okay, let's just move on to the quiz for the next episode
.
Okay, yeah, do your ownresearch.

Travis (03:43):
End of episode.

Josh (03:44):
Yeah, we did our research.
We don't even talk about it.
You do your research and thenwe'll just move on to the sneak
peek for next episode.

Travis (03:52):
Next episode yeah.

Josh (03:53):
So today we are going to talk about sky battles, ufo,
cosmic incidences that werewitnessed by the masses.

Travis (04:06):
Okay, I do have some exception about mass witnesses,
because all we have are like oneor two witnesses claiming there
were mass witnesses, at leastin the first two, with the
leaflets right, they say thatthere was a bunch of people that
witnessed this, but theseleaflets were written and
printed by these two religioushistorians.

Josh (04:18):
Yeah, I mean, what else are they going to do?
I mean, there's nothing,there's no electricity, like
when something happens, everyoneis going to see it, there's
nothing else to do.
Well, that's, they're notinside because there's no
electricity.
Everyone is outside most of thetime.

Travis (04:31):
Oh, I think that there are a lot of people still inside
, oh no, doing housework andtaking care of kids.
Men are outside.
This is the 1500s, so there wasa lot of work being done
outside.
There's a lot of things to doinside.
Candles exist in this worldBarely Okay, but sunlight is
also a thing.

Josh (04:50):
Anyways, let's get into this.
So there are four pretty big,and there are more than this,
but we are sticking with fourbig events that have happened in
history that were theoreticallyunexplainable.
There's a couple fiery spheresover medieval Europe, there were
shadowy ships engaged in anaerial combat and more recently

(05:11):
there was a mysterious presenceover Los Angeles.
All of these have just kind ofdefied an explanation over the
centuries.

Travis (05:18):
So these are all accounts that we're going to
talk about.
Let's just get into it.
Then We'll go through this, Iguess chronologically.
So we'll start with theNuremberg.

Josh (05:28):
Yeah, we'll, we'll start with Nuremberg.
I'm just going to start off.
I mean, it sounds like we're onthe same page where we both
believe that these areabsolutely alien experiences.
But we'll, it's obvious, butwe'll, we'll talk about it.
So, the battle over Nuremberg.
Where's Nuremberg?
Where is it Germany?
Where is it Josh?
It's Germany.
Okay, where else would a townwith that name come from?

Travis (05:51):
Everybody knows that it's Germany.

Josh (05:53):
So, according to a broadsheet.
What's a broadsheet?
By the way?
That's the one thing I didn'tlook up.
I've heard of it, I've seenthem, but I don't know the
actual definition.

Travis (06:01):
So but I don't know the actual definition, so a
broadsheet is just basically abig piece of paper.
The printing press was inventedin 1400s and this broadsheet
was like.
I think there were hundreds ofthese leaflets that were just
dropped throughout the town,right, and not just about this
specific incidence, but theywere in wide use as how people
would communicate.

Josh (06:21):
Like news, like they would have the bulletin board,
basically the town board.

Travis (06:26):
Okay, and this was just one of those those things, and
it's bigger than like a regularleaflet.

Josh (06:31):
But it is just a broad sheet, big piece of paper.
Broad as in large yeah, a bigpiece of paper.
Yeah, usually with an image andthen some writing underneath.

Travis (06:42):
It's like the basic format that you'd see in a
newspaper.
Which print media is kind ofgoing away.
We don't see a lot ofnewspapers, but that is the
basic format.

Josh (06:50):
So what's a newspaper?

Travis (06:51):
Oh, my God.

Josh (06:52):
I've seen them, but I just don't know what they are.

Travis (06:54):
It's this thing that you use to clean your mirrors in
your house with you start fireswith them you can start fires
with them.
Yeah, I just save up all mynewspapers I get in the mail for
little fires.
I used to have a paper routeand we would always have
newspapers that we would get toomany for the amount of
customers that we have.
So we would save those.
And when we'd go camping youcould shred that newspaper and

(07:17):
use that to start a fire.
Paper boy Cute, take this out,josh.
I feel like I'm doxing myself.
I don't want to give out toomuch personal information.
Yeah, what are we talking about?
Like the way I dress, theactivities I'm into, basically
everything, except for my socialsecurity number, which, I'm
afraid, is going to be releasedsomehow.
We know what kind of car Idrive.

Josh (07:36):
You could have changed cars since then.

Travis (07:38):
I have changed cars, absolutely I have changed cars.

Josh (07:41):
Yeah, you drive a very similar rocket car that Bob
Lazar drove.
I did.
You just became obsessed withit.
We know you were in a swingband.

Travis (07:50):
I was in a swing dance group.
Yeah, that was a shock to me.
I'm naturally gifted withgroove.
So, anyway, what we talkedabout is a broadsheet.
Broadsheet is just like a basicnewspaper, where it's
vertically set up, articles areplaced within and they go top to
bottom.

Josh (08:05):
Okay, cool.
So, according to thisbroadsheet, which is now
archived in Zurich and where'sZurich oh?
No one knows that it's a lostcity.

Travis (08:16):
Yep, it's down at the bottom of the ocean with
Atlantis.

Josh (08:19):
Yeah, on the morning of April 14th 1561 in Nuremberg,
when it was a free imperial cityof the Holy Roman Empire.
A strange sight filled theskies.
So basically the broadsheet ispretty long.
This is the cliff notes of that, what we thought was important
and what our researcher thoughtwas important.
So this is the eyewitnessaccount.

(08:40):
In the morning of April 14th1561, at daybreak, between
between 4 and 5 am, a dreadfulapparition occurred on the sun.
At first there appeared in themiddle of the sun two blood-red
semicircled arcs, and in the sunabove and below, on both sides
the color was blood there stooda round ball of partly dull,
partly black color color.

(09:06):
Likewise there stood on bothsides and as a tourist about the
sun, such blood-red ones andother balls in large numbers,
about three in a line and fourin a square, also some alone.
In between these globes therewere visible blood-red crosses
between which there wereblood-red stripes.
These all started to fightamong themselves.
They all fell from the sun downupon the earth as if they all
burned and they then wasted awayon the earth with immense smoke

(09:28):
.
After all this, there wassomething like a black spear
sighted.
So that's basically.
I mean it goes on in detail alittle bit.
A lot of religious things weresaid in the full context.

Travis (09:40):
So you can find, if you look this up, there is a German
Wikipedia page and you can get atranslated version of that.
But yes, these leaflets werethrown out and it's a way for,
like, the church of the time tospread its doctrine, and so a
lot of these leaflets do have areligious context to them and
they are also because literacywasn't widespread.

(10:03):
They use pictures a lot and thenthey would have people you know
read these.
You'd have town criers orpastor or religious leader of
the area who could read, wouldread these out to their
congregation.
So a lot of them did havereligious context to them and so
the author being somebody whois like a religious historian,

(10:24):
like these two people that we'lltalk about for the Basel thing,
they are going to interpretthis in a religious way.
They're going to look atsomething could be, you know,
doing this research, there'sthese things called sundogs,
where in the middle latitudesthat being like where we are
situated here in our state andacross Europe, those are
considered middle latitudes, youknow, between zero, the equator

(10:44):
and then the poles, okay, andthese sundogs occur when it's a
little colder out, and usuallyin the morning or in the evening
and it's light being refractedoff of a certain kind of cloud,
like a cirrus cloud.

Josh (10:56):
Yeah.

Travis (10:56):
And it looks like kind of a halo around the sun.
So they are attributing maybewhat they're seeing and taking a
religious angle to interpretwhat they saw.
I also think that maybe itcould have been I don't know if
you know what a murmuration is.
I think I have one of those onmy back.
If it's moving around, that'ssomething you need to get
checked out.

Josh (11:15):
Oh, okay.

Travis (11:19):
But murmurations happen when flocks of birds will move
or migrate.
So they see it a lot inswallows, especially in the UK
and a lot of Northern Europe.
There are also murmurations inRome and then, looking through
Reddit, somebody sawmurmurations in Portland.
So swallow populations now areon the decline, but back in the
1500s I imagine that there werea lot of birds around.
Birds are scavengers andthey're very opportunistic and
will pick up trash and so thebird population back then was in

(11:43):
probably a little better health.
We also see murmurations inthings like locusts and in bug
populations.
Okay, so those are potentialnatural things.
Those are potential naturalthings, and if you are inclined
to think everything is areligious event, then you're
going to document that in thatway.

Josh (11:59):
So I don't know if these guys thought it was a complete
religious event.
They did.
They wrote about it Because, Imean, listen to the last couple
of sentences of the leaflet andthen make your decision.
It says, after all, the Godfearing will by no means discard
these signs, but will take itto heart as a warning of their
merciful father in heaven, willmend their lives and faithfully

(12:21):
beg God that he may avert hiswrath, including the
well-deserved punishment on us,so that we may temporarily here
and perpetually there live ashis children For it.
May God grant us his help, amen.
So I don't see a lot ofreligious context.
Yeah, I don't either.

Travis (12:41):
Brilliant, you pulled the rug right out from under me.

Josh (12:44):
It says things despise such high signs and miracles of
god or in order that god maysend us frightening punishment
on account for ourungratefulness.
I mean, it was.
It was, uh, religious, heavy,very religious heavy whatever
such signs mean, god alone knows.
Yeah, like I mean, it wasriddled with little or I mean
josh.

Travis (13:04):
I'm gonna say I wanted to believe this so bad until I
started reading some of thestuff and it is so open to like
religious interpretation and theway they're viewing things
which I think, and not even thereligious people, even just the
common folk.
In that time, everything wasviewed through a religious lens
everything yeah everything, yeah, and if you were a part of a

(13:24):
different religious subsect,then you were made to leave that
area.
We saw like during the SpanishInquisition that's happened,
where Spain was trying to formone state church and so all
Muslims and Jews were eitherforced to leave the country and
then that spread throughoutparts of Europe, but mostly
Spain.
But these Inquisitions wherethey were trying to suss out

(13:46):
heretics, it created a certainlevel of fear amongst the
population, where they were justworried that they were going to
be believing the wrong thingand these people in power trying
to force them to believe in acertain way.

Josh (13:58):
My thing is just because from the little thing I read at
the beginning, it talks abouthow there were rows and there
was multiple things.
So that kind of takes away thesun dog or something like that
for me.
But I think we can't discountwhat they saw because of
religious views, If that's theonly way they know how to
communicate it doesn't mean I'mnot saying we can discount it.

Travis (14:19):
I'm not saying that they didn't see something.
I'm saying that theyinterpreted it as a religious
event and so we're getting.
And, like we said, literacywasn't widespread, so the few
people that could read and writealso controlled all the
information that came out there.

Josh (14:35):
The only people that could read and write learned it from
the church.
Yeah, so that's really all theyknow.
And then, because basicallythey were granted permission to
learn that from the church, theyhave to incorporate the church
in everything.
Yep, I mean, come on, skybattles, travis.
Anytime I doubted when doing myresearch, all I said was but
sky battles.

Travis (14:55):
Come on, it's sky battles, dude, get your head in
the game.
What am I doing?
Just believe in this.

Josh (15:01):
And then I would.

Travis (15:02):
Yeah.

Josh (15:08):
So there are some theories , like you mentioned some of the
atmospheric phenomenons likethe sun, dog or other natural
optical illusions, some UFOlogical, ufo logical.

Travis (15:14):
Uh, you, you F logical.
One of the videos that wewatched.
The guy said it.
It's just such like anawkwardly put together name.

Josh (15:23):
Yeah, it feels like it has an extra syllable.
F logical ufo logic ufologicalgod english.
What a beautiful language yeah,some consider it a potential
sighting of extraterrestrialspacecraft engaged in some form
of battle, because I mentionedthese weren't just dots well
we're talking about, like ouraudience that think that, but

(15:44):
there are a lot ofinterpretations.
You might have listeners andfans that are like, yeah, I
listen because I want to hear.

Travis (15:50):
Yeah, but this is we're talking about people that are on
the outer edges of culture.
Like you would say, fringe,yeah.

Josh (15:57):
Well, they correctly believe that it is
extraterrestrial spacecraftengaged in some sort of battle,
because they mentioned thatthere was battle.
They were in fightingformations, they were moving
around.
Either this was the first pieceof sci-fi ever written Well and
that's.

Travis (16:12):
That was also something like we are looking at what you
would call purple writing, wherethey take these artistic
flourishes like saying blood,red moon and solid ferrous smoke
or things like that.
Where it's not written ordocumented in a scientific way,
it's got a lot of flowerylanguage.

Josh (16:30):
Yeah, which I can appreciate, okay, as a very
artistic, flowery handsome, okay.

Travis (16:37):
Yeah, but that's what I'm saying is that this specific
broadsheet, this leaflet, waswritten by one author, and this
author had a bent towardsflowering language, and so he's
going to look at this and he'sgoing to, like, zhuzh it up a
little bit, you know, so thatpeople will read it and find
some sort of interest or valuein it.
And I don't think he wasnecessarily documenting it.

(16:59):
I mean, it's not like he had acamera and then was, you know,
recording this and then takingit back to his little hut and
watching this video play out.
As he was writing it, hewitnessed this thing.
This person witnessed a supposedevent happen and then who knows
what he did Went about his day,went and picked up his apples,
and then came back, and so itwas all a remembrance and this
was done on a broadsheet, so itwasn't handwritten.

(17:21):
He had to go to a press andthen get all the typesettings
set up, and so there was aprocess to it, and so I think
with every iteration of thisstory it changed a little bit
and he, you know, used more andmore colorful language.
I don't have any documentation,obviously, but that's just my
interpretation of it, knowingthe little I know about
historical texts from this time.

Josh (17:41):
Okay, well, let's not make assumptions.

Travis (17:43):
We're making a huge assumption with this podcast,
like assuming that it's aliens.
So I'm going to make my ownassumptions.
I'm just saying what you'vesaid to me in the past yes, okay
, I just want to Good, I'm gladthat you're thinking skeptically
about this, josh, push back.

Josh (17:55):
Okay, so the only reason that we actually were able to
see this broadsheet was becauseof a guy named Carl Young.
Yes, in 1958, he had a bookcome out called Flying Saucers,
a Modern Myth of Things Seen inthe Skies, and this was in that
book.

Travis (18:11):
I mean it's in a museum.
This is in a museum in Zurich.

Josh (18:15):
We talked about that at the top of the show.
Yeah, but in the widespreadworld, like we probably wouldn't
have noticed this.
He pulled this out from theirarchive.
Well, not literally, but heprinted a book with this in it
and it went out to the massesand he believed it was likely a
natural event, with religiousand military interpretations
overlaid by observers.
He stated if the UFOs wereliving organisms, one would

(18:36):
think of a swarm of insectsrising with the sun.
There we go, murmuration, notto fight one another but to mate
and celebrate the marriage offlight.
He also suggests that imagerycould be tied to concepts of
individuation and revelation ofthe light.
No idea what that means.
So that's psychologicalprofessional looking at this and
saying, nah, this doesn't checkout.

(18:58):
And a lot of psychologists likehistorical psychologists
studying people's minds and howthey thought and worked in
history.
They have an upper hand in thiskind of situation than most of
us.
There's also the militarytheory.
The tubes were interpreted ascannons and spheres as
cannonballs, emphasizing thefighting aspect of the sighting.

Travis (19:19):
Which we'll see play out with the Battle of Los Angeles,
perhaps.

Josh (19:22):
Possibly, and then saying crosses, I don't know.
That seems odd.

Travis (19:25):
Again.
Again, that's religiousinterpretation.
Uh, I think it was.
The basil leaflet does mentionthat a figure was seen within
this battle or whatever all thischaos.

Josh (19:37):
There was a figure floating in the sky well, let's
hop over to the basil, becausethe basil phenomenon, or the
celestial phenomenon over basil,that happened not too long
after.

Travis (19:48):
Like five years yeah.
Yeah so that was 1561, wasNuremberg and this is 1566,
basel, switzerland.

Josh (19:54):
Yeah.

Travis (19:55):
So very similar latitudes.
You know same region of Europe.

Josh (20:00):
Yeah, so pretty similar situations too, but this one
lasted over the course of a week, which is crazy.
So red and black spheres movedwith unnatural precision,
twisting and turning into themorning sky as the sun rose,
blood red on the horizon.
Reports described what seemedto be a conflict, an organized
battle between these mysteriousobjects.

(20:20):
So the eyewitness account.
This is what the leaflet said.
So the eyewitness account.
This is what the leaflet said.
During the year 1566, on the27th of July, the sun lost all
its radiance and luster and itseemed to weep tears of blood,
and the air behind him went dark.
The next day the sun rose atabout six o'clock and slept with
the same appearance, as ifeverything was blood, red and

(20:41):
fiery.
At the dawn of August 7th, wesaw large black spheres coming
and going with great speed andprecision.
Many of them were fiery, redand soon crumbled and then
extinguished.
So it's kind of the same thing,except it lasted a lot longer.
And that was also Cliff Notesas well Kind of had the same
feel as the other one.

(21:02):
Sure, the broadsheet.

Travis (21:04):
What do you think about this account?

Josh (21:05):
This account is a lot more bizarre to me than the
Nuremberg, for sure I agree withyou 100% on that.
I mean having the sky just kindof littered with black dots.
I have yet to see anything orhear about anything like that.
I mean that is sci-fi shit,yeah.
And then them moving aroundkind of in formation.
It just seems a lot scarier.

(21:27):
The blood red, all that stuff.
You know, I looked up firesduring that time.
I looked up volcanic eruptions.

Travis (21:34):
See, and that's what I was thinking is that a lot of
cities of this time would buttup right against a forest.
A forest was a huge resource.
That's where you would go tofind food and heat, and I mean
it was a place where you couldgo to.
It's like setting up your campor your town next to the sea.
It's a resource, and firesforests do catch on fire quite

(21:56):
often and it's about managingthose forests.
During a fire, the sun can lookvery red and hazy and you can
get things in the air and yousee wildlife and birds flying
through the air yeah, it isbizarre.

Josh (22:09):
I could not find any documentation of volcanic
eruptions, sure, or fires?

Travis (22:15):
I don't well.
I mean, there are there anyvolcanoes in that area even?

Josh (22:19):
I didn't look that deep okay, well, I just went.
I mean there's volcanoes thathave gone off, that have changed
half the earth's sun image.
Good, well done.

Travis (22:29):
Yeah, I mean the Mount St Helens erupting in 1980, I
believe that darkened the skyand we were getting ash here in
our state from that eruption,yeah, I mean, and that can
happen, yeah, and that's why Iwent into this skeptical Good.

Josh (22:45):
I wanted to do my due diligence and I was coming up
with different possibilities andI knew that volcanic incidences
could create weird things andthose could be interpreted by a
lesser mind of the middle agesas something religious or I mean
extraterrestrial wasn't reallya thing back then, but something
bizarre.

Travis (23:04):
Okay, Um, you, you did say fires, and that's as you
were reading this.

Josh (23:08):
That was what first sprung to my mind was yeah, I mean,
that happens here when we havefires.

Travis (23:13):
Maybe not really knowing why the sun looks a certain way
, because of how a fire andsmoke will change your immediate
viewing if you're close to thatfire.

Josh (23:23):
Yeah, I really think this one is a little more interesting
, just because how long itlasted the battle part, it's
just odd to me.
I mean Switzerland, they didn'treally fight much, did they?
Yeah?

Travis (23:34):
absolutely they did.
This is like feudal EuropeEverybody's vying for power.
All these little bergs arefighting against each other just
to get a little bit of leverageand gain a little more
territory, like some of thedarkest periods of human history
happened during this time.

Josh (23:49):
So that would confirm what I was thinking is these people
are familiar with battle andbattle formation.
I was thinking battleformations in the sky are very
different than ground formations.
So if they're interpreting skybattle formations from what they
know on the ground, it's stillvery bizarre movement.

Travis (24:06):
Well, we're looking at, like, to use your comparison,
you know, a fight on the groundis going to be different in the
air.
Yes, of course, we are lookingat like two-dimensional down
here, where everything is flatand linear.
We might have cannonballscoming, but that is, you know, a
trajectory you can track.
You know, to use Top Gun I wastalking to my kid about this
last night.
That's what makes flying soscary is that you're navigating

(24:28):
through three-dimensional space.
You go, yes, left to right, butyou can also go up and down,
and you have to be aware of that360 degrees around you in order
to be like a great jet fighterpilot.
To that point, when you'relooking at something in the sky
and you're looking at the way itmoves, yeah, it's going to look
very odd to you because they'regoing to be moving up and down,

(24:48):
left and right, diagonally,diagonally, diagonally.
That was a bad Harry Potterreference, yeah.
So, yes, looking at that fromthe ground, it could look very
odd.
But again, I don't want to, like, lean too heavily into
murmurations, but that is ifyou've seen them.
They're very loud.
I was watching some videos ofbudgies that are like parakeets

(25:10):
budgie murmuration in Australiaand it is a very loud thing that
happens.
And if we're talking about likemigration, like just like a
cacophony of birds, like, yes,exactly.
And if we're talking aboutmigration, yes, that can last
over a week.
We see cicadas come up andthose will last for months down
the South.
Anyway, I'm just throwing thisstuff out there.

Josh (25:31):
Yeah, I mean it's good.
That's why we're here.
We're here to talk about skybattles, you know.

Travis (25:35):
It's very interesting, but we're also relying pretty
heavily on, like one or twoaccounts.

Josh (25:40):
Right, it's not like this guy went and interviewed
everyone in town and then didhis research and then he's
writing exactly what he saw.

Travis (25:47):
He's writing what he saw and what he remembers seeing.

Josh (25:50):
And the fact of the matter is we will never know the truth
.
No, it's just a bizarre pieceof history.
And could there be flourishes?

Travis (25:57):
Yeah, but I also don't think that they're just lying
either, you know.
You don't think that religiousleaders or historians of
religious contexts are lying.
No, you think these guys werejust like telling the truth as
they saw it.
I did not agree with that.

Josh (26:12):
There were definitely manipulative tactics used in the
church at that time and werestill today, but this one guy's
okay.
This seems outside of thatmanipulation.
This seems more historical.
Even though it was pampered andflowery with poetic and
religious texts and words, it'sstill telling a story, and it's

(26:36):
a story that potentiallywouldn't work with a lot of the
fear and manipulation that thechurch was doing at the time.
This would make people thinkand ask questions, and that's
what they didn't want.

Travis (26:47):
No, I don't know about that.
I think, like we talked about,they had to interpret everything
in religious text.
So if they saw a fire, thenthat was an act of God.
If they saw bird migration,that was an act of God.
Everything was seen through thelens of the church and I think
it was up to people like the guythat recorded this.
It was up to them.
They felt probably pressure tointerpret this in a religious

(27:11):
context because the church backthen, as did a lot of churches,
held a lot of power, a lot ofpower, and they wanted to
control the information that wasput out there, and a lot of
churches owned the printingpress.

Josh (27:24):
So if they wanted to control the narrative and make
it a God thing, so maybe a lotof people did see it, so maybe
it was a mass sighting and theywere trying to put a religious
spin on it.
So who?

Travis (27:34):
knows what they saw.
I mean it could have been verywell.
I mean I like I said I wantyeah, we want sky battles to be
real.
I want sky battles to be real.
I think that fucking rules.
I think it's a fuckingincredible idea, yeah, but we're
looking at something that wasdocumented by one person 500
years ago, yeah, and so we haveto look at it through that lens,
through our 2025 lens.

Josh (27:57):
Yeah, and there are theories of what it is.
I mean it could have beenmeteor showers, a comet, the
aurora borealis mixed with someother things, optical illusions
caused by atmospheric conditionsor even dust from the sahara.
Sure, it could have been rareastronomical events such as a
planetary alignment, which Idon't think I've seen.
We're going to see that here in2025, I believe, not a full

(28:20):
planetary alignment, but I thinklike six or seven.
So I mean there are potentialthings, but there's also
potential of it being an aerialbattle between UFOs.
Possibly, sure.
I mean, at that time nothingflew other than animals.

Travis (28:33):
So it was Cannonballs Barely, yeah yeah, that was just
like a long jump really.
Come on cannonballs Sayingyou're flying through the air,
that fly is doing a lot of heavylifting.

Josh (28:44):
I would say rolling through the air.
That fly is doing a lot ofheavy lifting.
I would say rolling through theair, there you go, all right.
So the next one is the airbattle of Stralsund.
Okay, I don't know if I saidthat perfectly.

Travis (28:55):
I will say we're going to get pronunciations wrong.
So like, maybe just chill outif you're going to come at us
about mispronouncing a name.

Josh (29:03):
Yeah, don't judge us on how we pronounce things and our
mistakes.

Travis (29:11):
Look at our hearts.
Yeah, look at our hearts.
That's like somebody on Redditsaying you forgot a period here.
Now your entire argument isinvalid.
Yeah, we're going tomispronounce things.
We are.
Yeah, we're flawed.
We're flawed.

Josh (29:18):
Yeah.
So in the spring of 1665,fishermen near the city of
Stralsund watched in awe as animpossible event unfolded above
them A fleet of dark shapesappeared in the sky, moving with
intelligence, engaging in afierce battle.
Smoke, fire and cannon-likeflashes erupted in the air.
And then a final haunting sighta massive disc-like object,

(29:41):
dark as the moon during aneclipse, hovered silently above
the city's church.
According to Franceschi'saccount, the fishermen saw a
large flock of birds forming aship-like shape.
The ship from the north wassoon joined by numerous others,
followed by a fleet from thesouth.
A fierce battle ensued, withcannon fire and smoke.
A flat, round object like aplate or a large hat then

(30:04):
emerged from the sky, shiningwith colors akin to a darkened
moon, and hovered motionlessabove saint nicholas church
until evening.
The initial leaflet stated alittle while later out of the
middle of the sky appeared tothem a round, flat form like a
plate and like a big man's hat,with colors like the moon when
eclipsed okay, that's bonkers,bonkers, that's uh.

Travis (30:27):
But what was included in that account?
That's straight up bonk.

Josh (30:30):
Birds, birds, yeah, birds being weird yeah and I also read
somewhere that it looked whenthe birds made the ship-like
shape.
Yeah, that it looked as thoughthere were ghostly apparitions
moving along the ships.
Oh, that's yeah.
What do?

Travis (30:47):
you think that was?

Josh (30:48):
I don't know.
I mean, it's possible that itcould be.
We've talked aboutmultidimensional beings.
You know, if we're getting aglimpse or these fishermen were
getting a glimpse into a battlethat wasn't in our realm of
existence it was in a differenttimeline or a different.
Yeah, that'd be interesting I,I think so.

Travis (31:09):
They said something about cannon fire there yeah
imagine you work for whateverthe military of that time, like
the town guard, right, and youhave a cannon.
You are going to be itching atthe opportunity to fire that
cannon off.
You're going to look for anyopportunity to do that because
it's going to be fun like a big,loud boom and you're gonna see
destruction.
That's like a little boy'sdream, right?

(31:30):
I think that they may have sawa murmuration and like let's
fucking shoot it, let's shootinto this big flock of birds,
and so that's what happened.

Josh (31:40):
Maybe okay, so you're saying that potentially, these
people were watching thismurmuration happen and they were
observing it?

Travis (31:49):
And they were like smash the fucking birds.

Josh (31:52):
As though someone like us would watch the clouds and try
to come up with an image.

Travis (31:57):
No, they saw this murmuration, this bunch of birds
, and they have a cannon thereand they're just like.
We're just going to shoot intothat flock of birds and see what
happens.
Just like you would shoot acannon into a tree or a rock
wall or whatever.
You're just going to be lookingfor an opportunity to shoot a
cannon off.
If you had a cannon here atyour house, josh, you would want
every celebration you'd befiring that cannon off.

Josh (32:17):
Oh yeah, absolutely.
I wouldn't even need acelebration.
No, you wouldn't.
It could be 2 am, that's how Iwould get my kids up in the
morning.
Yeah, cannon up in the morning.
Yeah, cannon blast cannon blast.

Travis (32:31):
I mean that doesn't explain the shape that these
birds made.
Again it's.
It's an interpretation.
Yeah, if you were looking at amurmuration, a group of birds,
from one angle, it's going tolook different from somebody
that's at a different angle.
So it may have looked like aball when it could have been a
tube.
It may have looked like a shipwhen it was, and they don't have
the vernacular to say it lookslike a UFO or a ship or a saucer
or whatever.

(32:52):
Their idea of a ship is likesomething you would see in the
sea right.

Josh (32:56):
Yeah, that's what I imagine like a ghost ship and a
ghost crew.
That's kind of why I brought upthat earlier, and the weird
thing is is there's differentevents that happen.
So that was the beginning, andthen other things came down that
were not bird influenced, likea large man's hat, which is the
disc over the church that stayedthere for most of the day.

(33:16):
Well, it came in later in theday and stayed until evening.
So this all happened around 2pm.
So all these events start at 2pm and then they went into the
evening.
The aftermath is also weird.
Witnesses reported falling illwith tremors and pain in the
following days.
So I mean, that's all I got.
I don't know how many.

Travis (33:35):
Yeah, or even if they were linked.

Josh (33:37):
Yeah, they may not have been linked I mean people were
falling sick all the time.

Travis (33:40):
That's true Back then.
I mean it's and we'll talkabout this with the Battle of
Los Angeles, the five deathsthat were attributed to that
event.
But yeah, I mean people aregoing to be sick and they're
like well, what caused it?
I don't know.
I saw this weird fucking thingin the sky.
Well, that's got to be it.
That's why you're sick anddying.

Josh (33:57):
Yeah.

Travis (33:58):
It's not because you're drinking water that has poop in
it or you ate rotten meat thatyou didn't age properly.
You know.
Age properly, you know, yeah,any number of things.

Josh (34:07):
So here are the theories.
There's a handful of theoriesaround natural phenomenons, but
a lot of them have been debunkedjust because, like I said,
there's different things thathappened and all of these can't
make multiple things.
So there was ice halos,astronomical events and cloud
formations.
Those are considered unlikelydue to the specifics of the

(34:27):
sighting, including thedescription of the darkened moon
or the eclipsed disc, and thelack of local geographic
features associated with thelenticular cloud formation.
Some people say a theory couldbe a mirage, but that is also
unlikely because, like I said,it started at two and went into
the evening.
Mirages usually don't last thatlong.
That's usually like a heat andlight thing, I don't know.

(34:50):
Unless time stood still, Idon't know.

Travis (34:51):
Which could be aliens, Could have been food poisoning,
Like that's another thing thatnobody like.
I'm just saying the person thatwrote this could have been on
some hallucinogenic and seensome wild ass shit.

Josh (35:02):
Yeah, there could have been mold in the city's water.
Everyone got high and then sick.

Travis (35:07):
Really sick.

Josh (35:08):
Yeah.
Another theory is the flock ofstarlings theory.
This is the most plausiblenatural explanation, as the
behavior of a large flock ofstarlings during roosting aligns
with some aspects of thesighting.
However, the reports of smoke,crossfire and physical illness
in witnesses remain unexplained.
Sure.

Travis (35:26):
I think we explained it, though I don't think any other
explanation needs to be done.
I think that we nailed it.
The water, Mm-hmm, poop in thewater.
Yeah, interesting side note onthat poop in the water Because
water was so bad.
This is like the rise of beerand wine, because that process
would kill bacteria, but theydidn't know it.

Josh (35:45):
They didn't know it.

Travis (35:45):
They didn't know it.

Josh (35:46):
That's what they drank.
The people that survived likethe Black Death Yep.

Travis (35:49):
You would have like table wine that had maybe 2% or
less alcohol, and it wassomething that everybody in the
house drank.

Josh (35:57):
Yeah.

Travis (35:58):
They boiled the water which cleaned it?

Josh (35:59):
Yep, the UFO community and experts.
They think the event is acommon candidate for pre-modern
UFO sightings with similaraspects to modern day accounts
of UFO activity.
Yeah, and I agree.
I mean, all of these have ahandful of things in common.
We'll talk about thecommonality near the end.
But yeah, this is number threeand we're going to move on to

(36:21):
number four, One of the biggerones especially way into the
future now.
Yeah, do you know the date?

Travis (36:27):
uh, it was 1942 yeah, february so just after hawaii
had been, uh pearl harbor hadbeen attacked yeah, a little
less than three months.

Josh (36:39):
So the battle of la, so everybody's like in a very
heightened sense yeah there areair raid sirens all along the
West Coast.

Travis (36:47):
Everybody is on a heightened alert.
We are now engaged in World WarII.

Josh (36:53):
Yeah, I mean because of Pearl Harbor, all the coastal
cities were prepared for thingslike this.
They were doing tests anddrills.
People had blackout curtainsinstalled in their house to
block light.

Travis (37:05):
Yeah, because back then you would navigate a lot through
sight, yeah.
And so flying into a city if acity was blacked out from the
air was really hard, and I meanit seems silly, but but it works
, it worked.
And so flying through the air,if you didn't see a bunch of
lights, you wouldn't necessarilyknow.

Josh (37:22):
You'd just fly over the city.

Travis (37:23):
You'd just fly right over the city.
You wouldn't know that you'reflying over a city.

Josh (37:26):
Yeah, and so that happened .
They got the call to do ablackout in LA.

Travis (37:31):
Wouldn't you say that's convenient if the entire city
has blacked out their windowsand now they can't see?
Oh, come on, come on.
I mean, it was so controlledback then that they didn't allow
people to walk around and lightcigarettes during a blackout.

Josh (37:46):
Yeah, they had patrols.
I saw an image, a little clip,of a blackout patrol vehicle
that was driving around makingsure that everyone was following
the rules.
I mean, it was basically atemporary, quick martial law is
what would happen, and theywould cut out electricity and
then there's no light and it'sat nighttime.

(38:06):
You would not know.
The city was there from the air, correct?
So this is a tense night.
February 1942, la fell undersiege and nobody knows from who
really there's speculation.
This is one that when I tellpeople that I have a podcast
about this topic, this isprobably one of the most.
They don't lock you up.

(38:26):
I don't talk to CIA and FBIagents, but maybe you talk to
somebody who knows a CIA agentbut when I talk to people, this
is one of the more commonstories that people bring up
Like have you heard about this?
Have you heard about the LA?

Travis (38:40):
sky battle.
Going to be honest, I justfound out about this, did you?
Yeah, no surprise.

Josh (38:48):
No, it's fine.
No, no surprise anybody elsethat listens to the show.
I mean, I found out about thismaybe a year ago, so I mean, I'm
new, I don't know a lot.
I think I saw it in some alientv show somewhere, but I never
researched it or anything untilnow for this show.
So what happened is themilitary searchlights cut
through the darkness,illuminating an unidentified
object in the sky.
That was the end result.

Travis (39:10):
That was the oh, so now it's over.

Josh (39:12):
Yep, Okay, cool.
But before there was an object,an unidentified target, picked
up around 120 miles off the WestCoast, and remember this is
three months after Pearl Harbor,so we're on alert.
At 718 pm the air raid alertwas called yeah, and then at
around 10.23, they lifted it andeveryone was kind of relieved

(39:34):
Like okay, there's false alarm.
But at around 2.15, radarspicked up this target and at
2.21, a total blackout wasordered for Los Angeles by the
regional controller Right.
And then at 2.25, the air raidsirens went off all over Los
Angeles County and thousands ofair raid wardens were summoned
to their positions.

(39:54):
Because with the earlier attackat Pearl Harbor they started
planning out positions andthey're adding anti-aircraft
guns all up and down the coast,hidden in barns, Like I mean
they're everywhere up and downthe coast, hidden in barns, Like
I mean they're everywhere.
And then everyone gets inposition.
At 3.16 am the 37th CoastArtillery Brigade began firing.

(40:15):
They fired over 1,400anti-aircraft rounds and yet
nothing was brought down.
No enemy aircrafts wererecovered, no bombs were dropped
.
But a lot of reports camethrough from people in the town
that they saw numerous aircraftsat varying speeds and altitudes
above Los Angeles.
The artillery fire continuedsporadically until 4.14 am,

(40:38):
until the all-clearers soundedand then the blackout was lifted
at 7.21 am.

Travis (40:41):
Wild night Okay, so I'm going to read a little bit from
this website.
It's called CelebrateCalifornia.
The web address iscalifornialibrarycagov.

Josh (40:50):
This is California's website.

Travis (40:51):
This is Basically.
Yeah, I mean it's aninformational website put out by
the state of California, theirgovernment.
Okay, so in Washington DC, NavySecretary Frank Knox says, as
far as I know, the whole raidwas a false alarm and could be
attributed to jittery nerves.
Secretary of War Henry Stimsonsays 15 unidentified aircraft
were over Los Angeles, possiblycommercial aircraft operated by

(41:12):
the enemy from secret fields inCalifornia or Mexico, or light
planes launched from Japanesesubmarines.
No-transcript imaginativereporting of the war.

(41:35):
Swarms of planes, or sometimesballoons, of all possible sizes,
numbering from one to severalhundred, traveling at altitudes
which ranged from a few thousandfeet to more than 20,000, and
flying at speeds which, to thisjournalist, who had also talked
to somebody who'd served in oneof the anti-aircraft batteries,

(42:07):
and he said early in the war,things were pretty scary and the
army was setting up coastaldefenses At one of the new radar
stations near Santa Monica, thecrew tried in vain to arrange
for some planes to fly by sothat they could test the system.
So they want to test this radarsystem.
Right, no planes in the area,because they have all been
dispatched, right, yep.
As no one could spare theplanes at the time, they hit
upon a novel way to test theradar.

(42:28):
One of the guys bought a bag ofnickel balloons and then filled
them with hydrogen attachedmetal wires and let them go
Catching the offshore breeze.
The balloons had the desiredeffect of showing up on the
screens, proving the equipmentwas working.
So the equipment is catchingthe metal right Right From these
balloons?
Yeah, but king.
So the equipment is catchingthe metal right right from these

(42:49):
balloons?
Yeah, but because they can'tsee anything bigger, they're
like what the fuck is this?
After traveling a good distanceoffshore into the south, the
nightly onshore breeze startedto push the balloons back
towards the coastal cities.
The coastal radars picked upthe metal wires and the
searchlight swung automaticallyon the targets.
Looking on the screens asaircraft heading for the city,
the AK-AK started firing and therest was history.
So because everybody was so onedge and so worried, it was more

(43:12):
of like a shoot first, askquestions later type scenario,
where they saw something thatwas unidentified.
You know, if it was a USmilitary plane, they would
identify themselves coming inbecause they're not going to
want to get it.
They know that we have thesebases and these anti-aircraft
artillery shooters, whateverthey're called.
Big guns, big fucking guns,boom, booms yeah, set up and

(43:34):
they're not going to want to getshot.
You know friendly fire.
So these weather balloonsobviously did not communicate.
They thought, oh, it's got tobe the Japanese, and they just
started firing.
They're like better be safethan sorry.
We thought, oh, it's got to bethe Japanese, and they just
started firing.
They're like better be safethan sorry.
We can't have another attacklike Pearl.

Josh (43:48):
Harbor.
We're just going to startfucking firing, so I'm going to
throw this back on you and saythat these weather balloons.

Travis (43:54):
They're not weather balloons, they're just tiny
little.

Josh (43:55):
Yeah, these balloons Nickel balloons Full of helium.
Just tiny little balloons thatyou'd buy at a pharmacy.
They could not be real.
This is potentially just oneman's testimony that this is
what they did to test it.
Sure, you know and we don'tknow.
The big confusion around thiswhole event is that there are a
bunch of different stories.

(44:15):
Even the top brass couldn't getit straight.
You know you had someone sayingone thing, another saying
another, you know, saying thatit was a fluke, there was
nothing there, it was justtrigger, happy, scared people.

Travis (44:28):
And then another saying I wouldn't say trigger happy, I
would say terrified members ofCoastal Force.
They were terrified.

Josh (44:35):
Oh yeah, of course.
I mean it's been drilled intotheir head that this is going to
happen, because it already did.
I do want to point out thatthere was a lot of damage that
happened because of the bullets,which is oh yeah, I mean, if
you're going to fire 1400 roundsof something, there's going to
be some collateral damage.
Yeah, there's a lot of buildingsthat were damaged, a lot of
vehicles and, like you mentionedbefore, some people died

(44:57):
because when this was happening,first of all, it's the middle
of the night, it's a blackoutand it's loud.
Everyone thought bombs weredropping because of how loud it
was.
I mean, there was a war.
This has never happened in theUnited States.
I don't even think, since Allthese people in LA thought there
was a war going on.
So there was panic.
Everyone was running around.

(45:17):
Two people died of a heartattack because of the stress of
them thinking that it'shappening, and then three were
killed in car accidents tryingto escape right, but isn't that
on them?

Travis (45:28):
they should have been at home.
It was a blackout right.
I mean, was it the blackoutpolice?

Josh (45:34):
that maybe got hit.
You shouldn't be driving in ablackout.
Yeah, yeah, that's on that.
They're not allowed to turn ontheir lights, and if they did, I
was surprised that that's whatthey reported on like to me.

Travis (45:44):
I was like okay, so two people died of a heart attack,
all right, so this thinghappened.
Now we're just going to say, oh, they died as a direct result
of this.
It wasn't like bad health ormaybe they had, you know, some
congenital problems or any otherthing that could have led to
them having a heart attack.
They were going to say it was adefinite result of this, that's
.

Josh (46:02):
I mean, they still do that in today's news.

Travis (46:04):
Sure you know, that's fine, okay.
And then the two accidents.
I was surprised that firing1,400 rounds of something didn't
result in a death.
Yeah, that was what wasshocking to me.

Josh (46:15):
I mean that alone could be aliens, protectors of.

Travis (46:19):
Earth, yeah Right, but what happened?
I mean, they put themselves inthe line of fire.
Where are their ships?
Where's the fallout from that?

Josh (46:36):
Well, maybe the nickel balloon thing was real and maybe
they started firing and therewas a lot of damage and a lot of
people's lives at risk, andthen the aliens showed up to
save everyone, okay, where thespotlights were finally kind of
all converged to one locationand it was shining on something
in the sky and it was big, butyou can't.
And there's an image, a veryfamous image, of this.
You can't really see what it isbecause so many spotlights were

(46:56):
shining on it, but it is a veryinteresting looking potential
spaceship style thing.
It is completely illuminated.
Maybe that was a UFO.

Travis (47:06):
Yeah, I'm looking at that and it looks like a
doctored video but that's anoriginal image from the
newspaper.
Yeah, but I mean you could getan original image of a movie
film and put it in the newspaperand say it's original.

Josh (47:19):
I mean you could, but that's a speculation, I'm just
going with what we have.
You know, I just and I'm nottruly saying that the aliens
came and saved that, you know I.
I'm just not discounting thatthis potentially could be
something, because I mean, yeah,this is history, this is a long
time ago.
There was a lot of fear, but ifwe look at modern day, our
pilots and our military arestill having very bizarre

(47:41):
encounters in the sky and forsome reason, after this point,
we're not really attacking back.
We're just kind of letting themdo their thing.
So, with the combination thatyou know, looking at through a
2025 lens, it is possible thatthis is another one of those.

Travis (47:57):
Well, like the rules of engagement have changed since
we've introduced jets intofighting, so like planes are a
very new factor in war, right,and so back to the rules of
engagement were a lot differentthan they are now, where it's
like just hold on, wait a second, don't fire until you're fired
upon that, that sort of thing.
So I mean there's still a lotof I'm sure a lot of shoot first

(48:19):
, ask questions later.

Josh (48:21):
Yeah, in certain situations.

Travis (48:22):
Certain situations, but as far as like engaging with the
quote unquote enemy, those aredifferent.

Josh (48:28):
Yeah, and this was a high, high stakes situation too, you
know, I mean.

Travis (48:33):
Yeah, we're right in the dawn of World War II for us, as
far as we're concerned, likethey've been fighting in Europe
for five or six years at thispoint, and we had decided to
stay out until we were broughtin by the Japanese.

Josh (48:45):
Well, I mean it is still one of those that is just
unexplained.
We just don't know all thefacts.
It is bizarre, bizarre enough,to have even a lot of people in
today's day and age stillquestioning it.
With all the information thatwe have.
I mean we have a lot moreinformation than back then, and
even back then they were justlike, oh, the UFOs and all that
stuff.
It still wasn't, I mean itwasn't hot.

Travis (49:07):
People didn't think Well , a couple years after this,
orson Welles has his War of theWorlds broadcast.
That sent people into panic,and this was that was before
that was 38, 1938.

Josh (49:18):
Oh shit, so, yeah, so it is in the back of their minds
somewhere, but it wasn't acommon thought, it wasn't
mainstream, it wasn't anythinglike it is now or a couple of
years later, especially withRoswell.
When was Roswell 44, 46.
It was right after world war II.
So there are some conspiracytheories.
I mean it could have been theJapanese coming.

(49:39):
Yeah, that is very real, andyou know what it could have.
And it could have been acoverup.
You know, it could have justbeen a military war cover-up.
Ufologists think a possibleencounter with an
extraterrestrial object, fueledby photos showing that
searchlight converging on thatcentral object, like I talked
about, and then the aircraftmaneuvering in anomalous ways.

(50:00):
And some fringe elements ofthis theory include the recovery
of two crafts, one off thecoast and one in San Bernardino
Mountains.
And then I mean just the publicresponse is a huge range of
reactions and interpretations ofthe event, including skepticism
about the official explanationand the demand for more truthful
explanations.
So overall, these four eventshave a lot in common, they have

(50:23):
a lot of connections.
All four events involved a lotof witnesses observing unusual
aerial phenomena.

Travis (50:29):
Allegedly.

Josh (50:30):
Indicating the events were not isolated or hallucinated.
Hmm, it wasn't hallucination.

Travis (50:35):
There goes our no, I could write all this stuff in
here too.
I could put that in the dossierand say that it was a
hallucination.
You would read it just like itwas a fact.

Josh (50:43):
Yeah, but I'm saying that it was a hallucination, you
would read it just like it was afact.
Yeah, but I'm saying that it'smost likely not a hallucination
because of how many people sawit.
Allegedly Allegedly you'regoing to leave this room alive.
Whoa, Come on.
Travis Sky battles, I know.

Travis (50:59):
Just remember sky battles.
But I don't want to put toomuch faith in the accounting of
one person.
We need this.
I mean, I really want it, Iknow, but okay.
So allegedly a bunch of peoplesaw these right, okay.

Josh (51:12):
Yeah.

Travis (51:15):
I am okay with that Also .

Josh (51:16):
the connection is just smoke, fire, crossfire, ships,
disks, spheres, just weirdshapes and behaviors.
I mean that correlates with allof these Sure Sky battles yeah,
Sky battles.
And also just the correlationof battles.

Travis (51:34):
They all mentioned that there was fighting or military
maneuvering Like you talkedabout, though Carl Jung
interpreted it a different way.
It could have been a massmating ritual that these beings
you know, maybe extraterrestrialbeings were observing.
You know they all come together.
It could have been a way forthem to communicate.

(51:55):
So that's.
Another thing is we'reinterpreting this in our own
dumb earth way, right?
Right, we don't know that thesepeople even have vocal cords or
have evolved the same way wehave with speech, like there are
ideas out there that maybe theyare communicating with us and
it's through blowing of leavesor a certain way up.

(52:16):
Something is arranged, likethrough patterns, because they
haven't evolved through speechand we have a lot of creatures
here on earth that communicatethrough one form or another yeah
and not communicating is also aform of communication.
Right, right, they do it withoutuse of vocal chords, like we
have, like we are anomalous ofall the species on planet earth
yeah, for us to be able to speakfor us to be able to speak and

(52:38):
communicate these ideas isbizarre bizarre.

Josh (52:41):
Yeah, you mentioned wartime paranoia and that kind
of correlates with, I mean, notjust los angeles, but you were
saying we're kind of in the themidst of where we talked about
this like very early on.

Travis (52:52):
We're a very violent people like human beings are
violent and prone to violence,and in europe, in the 1500s.

Josh (53:00):
There was a lot of violence, you know.
So it's not just la being soclose to World War II and Pearl
Harbor.
I mean, no one knows what washappening in Europe in the 1500s
.
Nobody, no one.
No, it's the dark ages?

Travis (53:13):
Yeah, but outside of these broadsheets and leaflets,
we don't know what was going on.

Josh (53:17):
Yeah, I was kidding, but yeah, you're right, they could
have written their own history.
Yeah, completely.
Yeah, it could have beenparadise.
We could have had crazytechnology back then and they
just like no, we're just goingto say we didn't.

Travis (53:28):
Yeah, Marty McFly was in his time machine back there and
saying you guys need to writeit like this was a very dark
time because I don't wantanybody to look back too fondly
on human history.

Josh (53:37):
Yeah.
So, in conclusion, overallthese events will always remain
a mystery, while naturalphenomena, psychological factors
and wartime anxiety likelycontribute to some of the
explanations.
The consistency of a lot of theelements across these sightings
and the detailed events, andthe fact that some of the
aspects cannot be easilyattributed to any of these known

(53:58):
phenomena, fuel the ongoinginterest of skeptics,
researchers and ufo geeks likeus.
Sure.
So let us know what you think.
If you think we're full of shit, Sky battles Sky battles Just
tell us what you think of skybattles.

Travis (54:13):
What is your first response?
That's what I want to know.

Josh (54:17):
And did we follow through?
Were you really excited aboutsky battles and then you heard
us talk about it and you're like, oh shit.
So if you want to get a hold ofus, talk to us any of that.
There'll be a link in our shownotes to do fan mail.
You just click on that and thenyou can just send us a message
directly and we will get it.

Travis (54:33):
Yeah, josh is very active on the social, so you can
hit him up there.
I am not.

Josh (54:38):
Yeah, just get a hold of us, and I'm excited that you
guys are listening.

Travis (54:44):
Do we have a quiz for this week or no?
Oh yeah, Uh-oh.

Josh (54:47):
Yeah, we got a quiz, so we're going to do the baseline
quiz.
I'm just going to give you asneak peek into the topic of the
next episode by taking a quizto see how much we know and to
let you know that we don't knowa lot.

Travis (55:01):
So the topic of our next episode is going to be crop
circles.

Josh (55:08):
Oh, just finding out that that's what we're talking about.
Okay, I mean, I've heard a lotabout crop circles.
I don't know a lot, I've justheard different things.
I've watched some documentaries.
They've talked about it, but Ihaven't researched anything.
Well, okay, I'm excited aboutthis.
So let's get into this.
Question one when was theearliest known mention of a crop

(55:30):
circle-like phenomenon?
Is it A 84 BC, B 1291, c 1678,or D 1823?
I have no idea.

Travis (55:43):
I'm just going to throw this out there, I'm going to
make a wild guess.
I'm going to make a wild guessand I'm going to say 84 BC.
I was leaning towards that, but,man, I didn't know that, and
I'm going to say not because ofa crop circle.
There's this thing in the UKand I was trying to remember
what it's called.
It's not like the green man orsomething like that, but it's a
figure on a hillside that lookslike a giant man and I think

(56:06):
it's like a druidic thing,something that was done by the
druid population, and I thinkit's very old.
So I'm going to guess 84, andall this information I'm
throwing out is probably wrong,because I might be.
I'm misremembering huge chunksof the story, but I'm going to
say very old, 84 BC.

Josh (56:23):
Okay, I'm going to say B 1291.
Okay, and I don't know why I'mjust guessing.
Because I mean, I just You'vegot to feel it.
Yeah, I'm just guessing.
Mm-hmm.
All right.
Next question who were the twopranksters who famously admitted
to creating many of the cropcircles in the late 20th century
?
Mm-hmm, was it A entry?
Was that a dave and buster?

(56:44):
b doug and dave wow, dave'sreally showing up yeah, c bill
and bob or d tom and jerry Iwant to say dave and buster,
because it's silly, becausethere's a dave and busters.

Travis (56:57):
But what if they name themselves but what if well, I
mean dave's a pretty common nameI know a lot of these crop
circles showed up in EuropeBuster.
Does Buster seem like aEuropean name?
I don't know.
Tom and Jerry is also anotherone I want to.
I feel like it was a verycartoony name.
I'm going to say Dave andBuster.

Josh (57:16):
I feel like Dave and Buster and Tom and Jerry are
joke ones because Dave andBuster's and Tom and Jerry cat
and mouse, but they are alsovery common names.
So it's like Buster's, like Idon't know yeah, so I'm leaning
on Doug and Dave or Bill and Bob.
Okay, I'm going to say Doug andDave, cause that sounds like

(57:36):
two people who would bepranksters.

Travis (57:38):
No, we'll get Doug and Dave back out of the game.
I just I mean it just soundsDon't shake hands with them.
Their hand might be wet or youmight get a buzz.
So I'm going to go, Doug andDave, Okay.

Josh (57:48):
And you were Dave and Buster.

Travis (57:50):
I was Dave and Buster.

Josh (57:51):
Okay, next question In which country have the most crop
circles been reported?
A United States, b Australia, cBrazil or D the United Kingdom.

Travis (58:03):
What do you say?
I say United Kingdom.

Josh (58:06):
I say the United States Okay, logically I think the UK,
but I just I'm saying the UnitedStates yeah.

Travis (58:14):
I have that feeling.
I'm going to keep my mouth shutand let's move on to the next
one.

Josh (58:17):
All right.
Which of the following has notbeen theorized as a crop circle
explanation?
The?
A giant moles creatingunderground designs.
B alien spacecraft landings.
C sonic frequencies shaping theplants.

Travis (58:32):
I love this one, the one you're about to read.

Josh (58:34):
Or D wallabies getting high on opiates.
Okay, that would be hilarious,uh-huh, if all the crop circles
were just high animals.
Yeah, just glazed eyes bendingplants and then laughing.
Yeah, I know, the giant molesare a real thing.
They were, they were a realthing, but I don't know how

(58:56):
creating underground designscould affect.

Travis (58:59):
I mean, it could, but I don't know that it manifests in
this way hundreds of thousandsof years later is wild yeah,
alien spacecrafts obviously, whywe are here today sonic
frequencies, so this has notbeen theorized.
So these, this is yeah, this isnot a theory, so we are sussing
out the least likely or the onethat nobody's mentioned taking

(59:21):
seriously I mean there's anobvious one on there yeah, I'm
gonna say alien spaceshipswallabies getting high wallabies
, getting high on opiates, iswhat I'm gonna say too and now,
that's probably true, itprobably is in australia as a
joke.
They probably said it as a jokeand it showed up to throw us off
.

Josh (59:40):
Or someone has a video of wallabies doing that and they're
like hey, this could be cropcircles I just, I just think
jordan is fucking with us.

Travis (59:49):
You could be and this could be, maybe, an australian
had said it's wallabies as ajoke and that was in the reading
and it's actually like giantmoles or something like that
yeah, all right.

Josh (59:59):
Next question what is the folklore name of the entity
blamed for crop circles in the17th century England?
A the corn goblin I love all ofthese names.

Travis (01:00:10):
Yeah, the corn goblin especially, I'm going to get
your corn.

Josh (01:00:14):
B the mowing devil, c the field phantom or D the harvest
elf.
So I like A corn goblin.

Travis (01:00:23):
I like A so much I'm going to say corn goblin.
I think I like a so much I'mgonna say corn goblin, I love it
, I think I'm gonna that's gonnabe my halloween costume.
I'll just corn goblin, I'llfigure it out.

Josh (01:00:33):
Yeah, you just throw corn at kids.

Travis (01:00:34):
I love it so much I'm the corn goblin.

Josh (01:00:37):
I'm the corn goblin, heard of me yeah, all these are
really good and I can see all ofthem working.
I'm going to say the harvestelf, okay, and you're sticking
with corn goblin.

Travis (01:00:48):
I am going to stick with corn goblin I.
I just love it so much.

Josh (01:00:52):
I hope that's it.

Travis (01:00:53):
So do I.

Josh (01:00:54):
All right.
Last question what is thelargest recorded crop circle
formation?
Is it a a hundred feet wide, b500 feet wide, c over 800 feet
wide or d over 2000 feet wide?
I'm going big boy.
I am too, because I've seensome formations that are
multiple circles and I think aformation would be all of those

(01:01:16):
circles combined.
So I'm going to say d sure, allright, let's check our answers.
Oh, oh, oh, okay, so we'llstart.
Oh, he's quickly checking allof his answers.
I knew it Sounds like he'sgetting most of them right.
No, okay, so we'll start at thebeginning.

(01:01:37):
Yeah, when was the earliestknown mention of a crop circle
like phenomenon?
I said 1291.
You said 84.
84.

Travis (01:01:43):
PC.
It is 1678.

Josh (01:01:46):
All right.

Travis (01:01:46):
Next one, Dang.
We got Doug and Dave.

Josh (01:01:48):
Who were the two pranksters who famously admitted
to creating the crop circles inthe late 20th century?
Doug and Dave.

Travis (01:01:53):
Yeah, not the ones we know and love that.
Let you drink while playingvideo games.

Josh (01:01:58):
Yeah, I knew it.
Okay.
So next one In which countryhave the most crop circles been
reported?
It is the United Kingdom, yeah.

Travis (01:02:06):
I knew that 100%.

Josh (01:02:08):
I didn't.
I thought you know it's gottenpopular in the US.
I don't know.

Travis (01:02:11):
I told you this, this next one.
I worked out in my head that wewere being fucked with.
Oh my gosh.

Josh (01:02:17):
Okay, which of the following is not theorized as
crop circle explanations?
Damn it.
It's the giant moles creatingunderground designs.
I damn it it's the giant molescreating underground designs.
I should have stuck with that.

Travis (01:02:25):
I was leaning towards that that's the one I said too.
I was like an australian saiduh, just so, it's wallaby.
I can't do an australian accent.
I can say razor blades with anaustralian accent.
Do it?

Josh (01:02:36):
rise up lights okay, that's pretty good you know the
secret no you say rise up lightsokay, cool, there you go.
I'll practice that later butyou were almost on to something
when you were saying that thesegiant mole caverns affecting it
that much later, like tens ofthousands of years.

Travis (01:02:53):
I knew I was being fucked with personally and that
walby's getting high on opiateswas thrown in there, because if
you know a little somethingabout me, I love animals getting
fucked up.
Love it, it's one of yourfavorite things.

Josh (01:03:04):
One, one of my favorite things, but we have to legally
say that he doesn't do that.
He doesn't get animals fuckedup.

Travis (01:03:12):
No, I am a free choice person and I want animals to be
able to get fucked up in theirown time.
I'm not drug police.
I just love it when they getout their little phones and they
record them getting fucked upand doing crop circles.

Josh (01:03:24):
I hope there's video.
Okay, next one.
What is the folklore name ofthe entity blamed for the crop
circles in 17th century england?
Yeah, you said corn goblin.
Yeah, I said harvest elf.

Travis (01:03:36):
It's the mowing devil I knew in my heart.
I knew it wasn't going to becorn goblin, but I liked it and
I suspected it was probablygoing to be something dumb and
pedantic like well and devilreligious.

Josh (01:03:46):
We talked about that in this whole episode.
They saw everything isreligious.
And last one what is thelargest recorded crop circle
formation?
We both said over 2 000 feetwide.
That is incorrect.
It's over 800 feet wide, whichis still huge, big, big boy.
It is pretty big boy.
So I got one correct.
I got one correct did you?

(01:04:07):
Yeah, and it wasn't the sameone no, I got the united kingdom
um.
That was the only one and I gotdoug and dave wow.
Well, we have a lot to learn.
This is gonna be a fun one.

Travis (01:04:16):
This is gonna be a fun one.
I I do like I I remember cropcircles being a thing.

Josh (01:04:20):
That was a thing that happened in my lifetime and
yours yeah, well, and millionsand millions of other people,
yeah, so it's the first ones inthe 1600s.

Travis (01:04:29):
Well, I'm just saying, like what we know crop circles
to be, that happened, like thosetwo pranksters that happened in
our lifetime.

Josh (01:04:34):
Yes, yeah, well, hey, thank you for listening and I
hope you tune in for this nextepisode of crop circles.
Okay, thanks for listening, allright circles.

Travis (01:04:42):
Okay, thanks for listening.
All right, bye, bye.