October 31, 2025 • 48 mins
A glowing “wash tub” streaks across the Kentucky sky, a dog bolts under the house, and eleven people barricade a farmhouse as small, long-limbed figures peer through the glass. We revisit the Kelly–Hopkinsville encounter with fresh eyes, unpacking the fear-soaked timeline, the metallic “ping” of bullets, and the eerie return of the watchers near dawn—all while balancing folklore, forensics, and the psychology of panic.
We walk through what made this night iconic: eleven witnesses, consistent core details, a multi-agency police sweep, and—crucially—no bodies, no craft, no footprints. Then we test rival explanations. Could a meteor shower have primed the group for a misread? Do great horned owls—silent flight, bright yellow eyes, ear tufts, territorial behavior—fit the silhouette at the window and the “floating” off the roof? Or does the family’s sustained fear and long-term consistency tip the scale toward a genuine unknown? Along the way, we track how headlines turned metallic gray beings into “little green men,” why the case still fuels films and festivals, and how ridicule and stigma shape who speaks up—and who stays silent.
Our hosts don’t land in the same place: one calls it a mid maybe, the other a low no. But we agree on what matters most: listen first, label later. Whether you lean toward owls and meteors or visitors and high strangeness, there’s value in understanding how our minds behave under stress and how stories of the night sky become culture. Stay to the end for a teaser on UFO religions and a fast, funny quiz that sets up next week’s episode.
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SPEAKER_01 (00:03):
Aliens?
SPEAKER_00 (00:04):
Aliens.
Aliens.
Yes.
But maybe no.
Do you feel that spookiness inthe air, Josh?
Yeah, it's getting cold out.
It is getting cold out.
A little chilly.
(00:25):
Yeah.
Pretty overcast.
Leaves are turning.
Mm-hmm.
Christmas in the air.
Kids are starting to fiend forcandy.
Spooky, scary skeletons.
Ooh.
Yeah.
Well, welcome to the show.
This is Aliens, yes, but maybeno.
I'm Travis.
I'm Josh.
This is an otherworldly podcastas ambiguous as our title.
(00:46):
So, as we alluded to, it isspooky season.
Mm-hmm.
But we're recording this in May.
So we're trying to capture theright mood.
Yeah.
So we were singing Halloweensongs and we ate a bunch of
candy.
I'm probably gonna fall asleepin the middle of this episode
because I'm gonna crash reallyhard.
(01:07):
It's all those butterfingers.
I love a butterfinger.
Yeah.
So uh what did we talk aboutlast week?
Skinwalker ranch.
Shit, that's right.
That's right.
That's right, that's right.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (01:17):
That was a spooky one.
I mean, that whole area isspooky.
I probably would not want to gothere.
If I was given the choice, Iwouldn't go.
SPEAKER_00 (01:26):
No, I don't I don't have a reason to go.
SPEAKER_01 (01:28):
Because of the spook factor.
It's just too much weird things,too much unexplained, even the
paranormal, you know, me notbelieving in ghosts and all that
stuff, being somewhere that hassuch a high strangeness, I'm
definitely gonna be spookedabout it, even not believing.
Which maybe does that meansecretly I I'm open to it?
Maybe you are pretty open to itthough.
(01:50):
Yeah, I'm I don't want todiscount anything.
I always play devil's advocate,or I try to, I try to see both
sides.
Personally, it doesn't makesense, but in the spirit of
Halloween, maybe.
But maybe what are you gonna befor Halloween this year?
SPEAKER_00 (02:03):
Uh probably just like a cool guy.
That's what I normally dress upas.
It's totally contradictory towhat I am the other 364 days of
the year.
You're just gonna wear the samething and just pop your collar.
I think I'm gonna put on someleaderhosen.
Oh.
And do a little German dance.
I know that that's really comingback.
I think you and I have differentideas of cool guy.
(02:24):
Well, whatever your idea is,it's wrong.
Like lederhosen is the coolestthing.
I was thinking polo and popcollar, sunglasses.
It's shorts.
You can't even call them shorts.
They're called short pants.
Schpants?
Yeah.
I've seen yours and they arevery authentic.
Well, I'm wearing them now.
So why have you been avoidingeye contact with me, Josh?
Because they're short.
(02:44):
They're very short.
unknown (02:46):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (02:46):
Germans don't like long pants.
SPEAKER_01 (02:48):
Yeah, so we'll be doing this whole episode with no
eye contact.
Okay.
I'm gonna be a goblin.
You're gonna be a goblin.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (02:55):
Perfect.
That leads us right into whatwe're gonna talk about today.
SPEAKER_01 (02:57):
It does.
Our Halloween-themed topic.
We are gonna be talking aboutthe Kelly Hopkinsville Goblin.
When I first heard KellyHopkins, I thought of like a
medical company, right?
Doesn't it sound like someonethat creates vaccines?
SPEAKER_00 (03:11):
Kelly Hopkinsville Goblins?
Not the goblin bar, but justKelly Hopkinsville.
Yeah, it sounds like a medicalinstitution like Johns Hopkins.
SPEAKER_01 (03:19):
Yeah, so maybe that's why.
SPEAKER_00 (03:20):
Yeah, all in the same vein.
SPEAKER_01 (03:22):
This one's a little different though.
We're gonna tell you a spookystory.
SPEAKER_00 (03:29):
In the quiet countryside near Kelly and
Hopkinsville, Kentucky, onAugust 21st, 1955, began like
any other summer evening.
The Sun family, along with a fewclose friends, had gathered in
their modest farmhouse, aweathered structure nestled
between dense woods and tobaccofields.
Eleven people were there thatnight.
Eight adults, three children,most were family, some were just
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visiting.
None of them expected what wascoming.
Just before sunset, Billy RayTaylor, a 21-year-old guest from
Pennsylvania, stepped outside tofetch water from the backyard
well.
That's when he saw it.
A glowing object blazing acrossthe sky.
He later described it as a washtub, all lit up like a streak of
fire.
Okay, I want you to say this inyour best backwoods,
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Pennsylvania, Billy Ray Tayloraccent.
SPEAKER_01 (04:16):
Um a wash tub?
I'll lit up like a streak offire.
SPEAKER_00 (04:21):
Okay.
Was that good?
That was good.
You nailed it.
You nailed it in one.
We call that a one-take tiger.
It was trailing rainbow-coloredexhaust before it silently
descended into the trees beyondthe house.
It didn't behave like a plane ora shooting star, it moved with
purpose.
Which we've seen before.
But how does a shooting star notmove with purpose?
SPEAKER_01 (04:43):
Well, just thought.
Like it was intelligently movinginstead of visually moving.
SPEAKER_00 (04:48):
You think that Billy Ray identified how intelligently
it was moving across the sky?
He described it as a wash tubshitting rainbows.
SPEAKER_01 (04:56):
He did.
Yes, he did.
You know what?
There's no facts.
This is just a spooky story.
SPEAKER_00 (05:03):
Okay.
So Billy Ray rushed back inside,excited and insistent.
He told others what he'd seen,but was met with rolled eyes and
good-natured teasing.
After all, there was awell-known meteor shower
happening that weekend, andBilly Ray had a bit of a
reputation for being dramatic.
To most of them, it was probablyjust a fireball.
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They're just like, no, no,Billy, just a fireball.
You know those casual thingsthat just blast through the sky.
Well, that's what was happening.
Like the it was just a fireball.
Yeah.
Okay.
Not long after he went inside,things started to feel off.
Around 8 p.m., the Sutton's dogbegan barking furiously at
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something outside.
Snarling, pacing, growing morefrantic by the second.
When they opened the door to letit out, it bolted under the
house and refused to come out.
That dog wouldn't be seen againuntil the following morning.
The laughter from earlier fadedinto nervous glances.
Billy Ray and Elmer, Lucky, ashe was known, Sutton, a
25-year-old carnival worker, andone of Glenny Langford's older
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sons stepped out to see what hadset the dog up.
I love the story so much.
This is the wildest shit I'veever heard.
It's a washtub flying throughthe sky that's tootin' out
rainbows.
A guy is a carnival worker.
Named Lucky.
Named Lucky.
How do you think he got thatname?
He probably escaped death many atimes.
(06:29):
Yeah.
Okay.
As they scanned the yard with aflashlight, a strange shimmer
caught their eyes.
In the distance just beyond thefence line, something was moving
slowly, deliberately.
It glowed faintly, almost as ifreflecting moonlight.
Then they saw it.
Not an animal, not a man, butsomething else entirely
different.
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The figure was small, maybethree feet tall, with
unnaturally long limbs thatswayed like they were
weightless.
Its eyes were oversized andglowing yellow, and its skin, if
it was even skin at all, seemedmetallic.
The thing looked like it hadbat-like ears, a bulbous head,
and arms so long they nearlytouched the ground.
Lucky and Billy Ray didn't wait.
One grabbed a shotgun, the othera pistol, and they fired.
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The creature dropped with ametallic peeing as if the
bullets had struck a tin can,but instead of falling, it
somersaulted backwards, stoodup, and silently ran off into
the dark.
Spooky.
Yeah, it's spooky.
But I guess that's how you liketest to see if something is
real.
You just start firing at it.
You just you just startedblasting.
SPEAKER_01 (07:30):
Yeah, I wouldn't fire at something if I I mean
that would that would be one ofmy last reactions, but this was
one of their first.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (07:37):
What would you say your first reaction would be?
Try to kiss it on the lips?
SPEAKER_01 (07:40):
No, I would probably go inside.
SPEAKER_00 (07:43):
Yeah.
I would just be like, uh no.
No.
You're an outside thing.
I'm gonna go inside.
SPEAKER_01 (07:48):
I think as we'll read more, that could have been
the whole reason that theyexperienced the rest of what
they're about to experience thatwe're gonna tell you.
For the next several hours, thefarmhouse was no longer a home.
It was a fortress.
Inside were 11 people, threeyoung children, their mothers,
and a few visiting friends, andtwo young men now acting as
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armed sentries.
They huddled in the few litrooms of the house, tense and
exhausted, listening for anysound outside that didn't
belong.
Glenny Langford, the 50-year-oldmatriarch of the family, kept
her composure even as chaosunfolded around her.
Highly religious, stern, andsober-minded, she had long
forbidden alcohol or cursingunder her roof.
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She didn't believe infoolishness, which is what I
constantly say in my house.
None of this foolishness! Andyet, even she admitted something
was out there.
Her youngest children, Lonnie,age 12, Charlton, age 10, and
Mary, just seven, wereterrified.
She kept them hidden under thebed for much of the night,
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telling them not to come out nomatter what they heard.
The children would later saythey never saw the creatures
themselves, but they could hearthe gunshots.
They could feel the tension, andthey could sense the fear in the
adults' voices, which may havebeen the most frightening thing
of all.
Aline Sutton clutched herbrother O.P.
Baker's arm in the dark.
Vera and June, the wives ofLucky and Billy Ray, stayed near
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the children, too afraid to lookout the windows.
According to one source, JuneTaylor was so frightened that
she kept her eyes closed formost of the ordeal.
But it was the men, Lucky Suttonand Billy Ray Taylor, who took
charge of defending the house.
With a 22 pistol and a 12-gaugeshotgun, they fired repeatedly
at the creatures as theyappeared at the windows, on the
roof, in the yard.
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The beings seemed to taunt them,floating past windows, peering
inside, scratching at glass,disappearing and then
reappearing like ghosts, eachshot with a metallic ping.
One creature was blasted off theroof after it grabbed Billy Ray
by the hair.
But instead of falling, itfloated gently down, unharmed.
Another was hit in a tree andtumbled to the ground only to
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vanish again.
One especially strange momentcame when a figure approached
Lucky with its hands raised,almost in surrender, but he
fired anyway.
The result was always the same.
The creatures were eitherindestructible or not entirely
there.
The family soon realized thecreatures avoided light.
Every bulb in the house wasturned on.
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Even so, the figures remainedjust at the edge of visibility,
moving silently through thedarkness, always watching.
For nearly four hours, thefamily remained trapped, unable
to sleep, unable to escape,defending themselves from
something they could barelycomprehend.
SPEAKER_00 (10:35):
Okay, so I have some questions.
Glenny Langford, the matriarchof the family, right?
Yeah.
Doesn't believe in foolishness,had like a strict rule against
all these foolish things.
In order to have that rule, thatmeans somebody has to violate
it.
And I think that's what'shappening here.
I think these guys are likezonked out on moonshine and
seeing some things that maybethey don't see.
(10:57):
And then you had just referencedit, like the kids didn't see
anything.
It's just these two guys.
So I think they just went tofreaking hamburger town and got
zonked out on goofballs and juststarted blasting.
They were just fed up with herrules.
I don't think they No, I don'tthink this was like a
retaliation.
I think that it was a rebellion,maybe.
But I don't I don't think thatit was a rebellion against some
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hard rules.
I just think they just gotfucked up and just wanted to
shoot shit.
And maybe they were seeing somethings, maybe not.
It's possible.
So now we're at like what hourfour of this?
Did this start at seven whenthey started seeing some
wackadoo stuff?
Around eight is when they letthe dog out because it was
barking.
Okay.
So now it's eleven.
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Glenny made the call.
They had to get out.
The creatures hadn't tried tobreak down the doors or force
their way in.
Not yet.
But the family couldn't take anymore.
The fear was too much.
With the creatures still lurkingoutside, the group made a break
for their cars.
Two vehicles crammed, but thisis like a zombie movie.
Yeah, this could be a movie.
Yeah.
I'm surprised it's not.
I mean, it is.
(12:00):
Think of all the like you'retrapped in your house, you've
got to escape type movies.
That's science here, yeah.
Yeah.
Any zombie movie where you gottaget out of your house, you're
slowly being overrun, you haveone opportunity to get out and
you're gonna take it.
Okay.
Two vehicles crammed with all 11people, including the children,
and sped toward Hopkinsville.
They drove fast, headlightscutting through pitch black back
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roads until they reached thepolice station.
When they arrived, the officerson duty were stunned, not just
by the story, but by the peopletelling it.
These weren't wild-eyed drunks.
Glenny was composed but clearlyrattled.
The others were pale, shaking,frantic.
Their fear was real, and theyall told the same story.
A police convoy was quicklyorganized.
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It included city and countyofficers, state troopers, four
military police from nearby FortCampbell, and a couple of
curious onlookers who hadoverheard the commotion.
When they arrived at the Suttonfarm around 2 a.m., the place
was eerily still.
The only evidence of strugglewere shotgun shells scattered
across the porch and yard andbullet holes in the doors,
windows, and trees.
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Huh?
Signs of a battle?
Sure, yeah.
I mean they shot the shit out ofthe house.
Yeah.
Nothing else.
SPEAKER_01 (13:10):
Yeah.
Searchers reported a faint glowon a patch of grass near the
fence line.
One officer claimed to see greenlight blinking in the woods.
But despite all these anomalies,they hadn't found anything.
No footprints, no craft, nocreatures.
Just the aftermath of somethingthe Sutton family clearly
believed was real.
By the time the police andmilitary personnel wrapped up
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their search, it was close to2.15 a.m.
The Suttons had no choice but toreturn to their battered
farmhouse, still shaken buthoping that whatever had haunted
them for hours had finally movedon.
For a short time there waspeace.
Then again, around 3:30 a.m., itbegan again.
A figure appeared at the window.
Its glowing eyes stared silentlyinto the house, unblinking.
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Another was seen at the cornerof the yard.
Then another.
There was no sound of movement,no footsteps, no rustling brush,
just the soft, deliberatereappearance of the same
impossible beings they'd alreadytried and failed to drive away.
Glenny Lankford was the first tosee them this time.
She described waking up andspotting one of the creatures at
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her bedroom window, its clawstapping gently at the glass as
if curious or mocking.
Others in the house soonrealized they were back under
watch.
Lucky Sutton armed himselfagain, ready to shoot, but it
was clear by now that bulletshad no real effect.
The creatures didn't try toenter, they didn't speak, they
didn't seem hostile in thetraditional sense, but their
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presence was just as terrifying.
They watched, they loomed, andfor a family already pushed to
the edge, that was enough.
The standoff continued foranother hour and a half long,
slow minutes filled withtension, adrenaline, and
helplessness.
Then, sometime around 5 a.m., asthe sky began to lighten with
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the first hint of dawn, thecreatures quietly disappeared.
One by one, they faded into thewoods, slipping away with the
night, and they didn't return.
So this time she saw it.
Glenny was at the matriarch.
So it wasn't just the tworapscallions.
SPEAKER_00 (15:13):
Unless it was, they're just outside doing their
night patrols, just being weirdocreeps.
Possibly.
SPEAKER_01 (15:18):
I mean, you could say anything.
You can say it was the police,it was the military.
It was the police tapping underwindow, just making sure she was
okay.
But the one thing, them shootingat it and hearing the ping, and
then nothing, it doesn't killthem.
They're just bulletproof.
Mm-hmm.
That's weird.
Like that shows it wasn't just aperson or someone playing a
prank.
SPEAKER_00 (15:36):
That's not what I see.
I mean, I don't I don't see thatit was just a person or not a
person.
I think this is just a versionof a story.
This is an anecdote they'retelling, and I think that it
built up over time.
Even the hour or whatever ittook to drive to the police
station.
SPEAKER_01 (15:51):
Okay.
Well, let's read on, let's seeuh what else happens.
SPEAKER_00 (15:55):
So the sun fully risen and the strange visitors
finally gone.
The Sutons were left with abattered home, a traumatized
family, and no real answers.
That morning some of the menleft town.
Billy Ray Taylor went outhunting, perhaps to shake off
the lingering fear.
Others stayed behind, trying toreturn to normal life in a house
that no longer felt safe.
But word had already begun tospread.
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The Kentucky New Era ran a storyalmost immediately, and the
details, eleven witnesses,floating creatures, impervious
to bullets, clawed hands tappingat windows, captured the
public's imagination.
Within days, the farmhousebecame a magnet for curious
onlookers, journalists, andskeptics.
People arrived by the hundreds,trampling fields, peering
through the windows, andpestering the family for
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interviews.
Some came hoping to see aliens,others came to laugh.
You'd be a laugher.
I would want to talk to himbefore laughing.
I mean, this is a funny story,but we're not reading like we're
reading like a flourish of thestory.
Right.
The Sutons, initiallyoverwhelmed, began charging
admission to help manage theflood of visitors, a move that
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will later be used by skepticsto discredit the entire event.
The family's story, however,never wavered.
Even when questioned separately,the core details remain
consistent.
The creature's size, movements,appearance, the timeline, every
account reinforced the others.
Witnesses described the beingsas roughly three feet tall with
glowing yellow eyes, elongatedlimbs, and shimmering silver or
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grey bodies.
They floated, they never spoke,and they seemed unaffected by
gunfire.
Investigators noted that noteven the children changed their
stories under pressure, but thechildren didn't see anything.
They just heard a lot ofgunfire.
That was covered in the firstpart of the story.
But for every believer, therewere just as many doubters.
Project Blue Book, the U.S.
Air Force's official UFOinvestigation at the time,
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reviewed the case and quicklylabeled it a hoax, without much
comment.
No explanation was provided, nodeeper inquiry conducted, the
label stuck.
Civilian investigators were morethorough.
Isabel Davis and Ted Bloker fromthe Center for UFO Studies
interviewed the family and foundtheir testimony compelling.
They described the Suttons assincere, frightened, and wholly
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uninterested in fame.
Some skeptics suggested theinitial sighting.
Billy Ray's glowing flyingsaucer had simply been a meteor.
A known meteor shower had beenactive that night, and other
people in the area had reportedseeing fireballs in the sky.
As for the creatures, one theorygained traction.
Great horned owls.
Yes, just like the Flatwoodsmonster.
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Mm-hmm.
They're nocturnal, territorial,about two feet tall, and
equipped with yellow eyes thatreflect brightly in light.
Their wings allow them to flysilently, they can perch on
rooftops, appear to hover, andtheir head tufts might be
mistaken for ears.
Oh, and also, impervious tobullets.
Oh yeah.
In a state of fear, darkness,and confusion, the argument
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goes, even owls could look likealiens.
It didn't help that Billy Ray,the most animated witness, had a
flair for drama and hadpreviously expressed interest in
other UFO stories.
Skeptics saw this as suggestivethat maybe he embellished, maybe
the others were caught up in thepanic, or maybe it was all a
prank that got out of hand.
But the question lingered, couldeleven people, men, women,
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children, sustain the same storywith so many shared details
under so much scrutiny for solong, if it was all just a
misidentification?
My feeling is yes, because thisis, again, just somebody's
impression of what they saw.
Yeah.
Those two guys and Glenny thatmaybe saw something, nobody else
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saw it.
They saw maybe a green lightglowing off in the woods, but
that didn't seem to beinvestigated.
I mean, we'd have to look moreinto the story to find out.
SPEAKER_01 (19:35):
To truly understand the situation, we'd have to know
each person and how they act.
Every group of people is gonnahave a different dynamic,
different everything.
Like let's just say we had afamily gathering with a couple
of friends and my brother andhis friends saw something, and
then my mom saw something.
I would believe them.
But I also know that theywouldn't fake something like
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that.
To fake a real fear would bevery hard, especially with close
family and friends.
I'd be able to suss pretty quickif what was happening was real.
SPEAKER_00 (20:07):
Let's take the situation though as we know it,
right?
There's a lot of fucking bulletsflying.
Yeah.
Kids are going to be freakingthe fuck out.
That is going to amp upeverybody else's emotion because
you're going to be like, stopscreaming.
I'm just shooting these littlefucking green men.
And that's going to like add tothe agitation that everybody's
feeling.
SPEAKER_01 (20:25):
Yeah, I mean, my family gathering would be eight
kids, and they would all befreaking out, and that alone
would be chaos.
SPEAKER_00 (20:33):
Yeah.
So I think chaos and having, youknow, 11 people involved in
this, two of them are shootersjust blasting away.
That's going to agitateeverybody.
SPEAKER_01 (20:42):
Yeah.
So in the weeks and months thatfollowed, the Sutton family
withdrew from the public eye.
The crowds didn't stop, andneither did the jokes.
Strangers kept showing up,trampling their property,
knocking on the door, demandingto see the little green men.
Eventually, overwhelmed andtired of being treated like a
roadside attraction, the familysold the farmhouse and moved
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away.
And yet the story lived on.
Though the witnesses never onceused the term themselves, the
phrase little green men enteredthe American vernacular because
of this case.
The press leaned into the image,embellishing the creature's
color from metallic gray tocartoonish green, and the term
stuck.
From that point forward, littlegreen men became shorthand for
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extraterrestrial visitors.
Over the decades, the KellyHopkinsville encounter became
one of the most famous andstudied UFO cases in the world.
It inspired films like Critters,influenced scenes and close
encounters of the third kind,and even helped shape the design
of aliens and ET.
SPEAKER_00 (21:40):
So this event is considered like thatymology,
like the beginning of the termlittle green men.
In pagan belief, little greenmen is a symbol of rebirth.
The saying uh little green men?
Yeah, or green men, green man.
Oh yeah.
They could be little, they couldbe big, depends on what part of
spring you're in.
I think you're at the beginningof spring, they're probably
little and then they grow up tofull grown green men.
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Ideally.
Uh huh.
Yeah.
There was an episode of X-Filesthat dealt with this, a lot of
alien stuff.
There was cartoons.
There was one cartoon called TheLittle Green Man.
It's a little uh Britishanimated cartoon series.
unknown (22:16):
Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_00 (22:17):
Has like a little boy with an alien sidekick.
I went down a weird rabbit hole.
SPEAKER_01 (22:22):
Yeah.
It has been dissected indocumentaries, debated in
skeptical forums, and cited inbooks across genres, from
ufology to psychology.
The local community eventuallyembraced its strange legacy.
Today, the small town of Kelly,Kentucky, holds an annual Little
Green Men's Day festival.
It's a celebration of lights,laughter, and lore filled with
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food vendors, alien costumes,and guest speakers, including
Geraldine Sutton Stith, Lucky'sdaughter, who has written two
books defending her family'sversion of events, and she
continues to speak at festivalsand conferences, not just to
share what happened, but to pushback against how it's been
distorted.
Skeptics, of course, haven'tgone away.
They still point to owls andmeteors, to fear and faulty
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perception, and they argue thatthe case, while dramatic, is
ultimately an example of howeasily belief can outpace
evidence, which you've neverthought of.
SPEAKER_00 (23:14):
Oh man, I just tapped my nose really hard.
SPEAKER_01 (23:17):
But even today, something about the Kelly
Hopkinsville encounter refusesto fade.
It's too detailed, too strange,too consistent.
Whether it was aliens, owls, ora perfect storm of stress and
suggestion, the story remains.
Not because it proves anything,but just because it won't go
away.
That would be spooky.
Like if it is all real, let'shave you play devil's advocate.
(23:40):
That would be I mean, I wouldpoop.
You want me to play devil'sadvocate?
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (23:45):
To what?
You pooping?
SPEAKER_01 (23:47):
No, the situation.
Like if you truly believe thatthis was real, this really
happened, it would be the mostscary thing.
SPEAKER_00 (23:54):
You want me to believe this?
SPEAKER_01 (23:55):
Yeah, just this is a good idea.
No, this is how it does.
I just want to see where yourmind would how you would respond
if this situation truly happenedto you.
SPEAKER_00 (24:06):
Like if little goblins showed up at my door.
Yeah.
Would you kick them?
Maybe they're not impervious tokicks.
Um you know what?
Maybe they're not.
Nobody tried kicking them, theyjust tried shooting them.
Yeah.
Nobody tried talking to them.
Their first response was toshoot them.
Even when they put their handsup and they said, you know, in a
sign of giving up orsurrendering, they still shot
(24:27):
him right in the fucking face.
SPEAKER_01 (24:29):
Yeah, if my brother came in, he's like, Yeah, this
guy came up to me with his handsup and I just shot him.
I'd be like, What?
You monster?
Yeah, he has this little whiteflag.
SPEAKER_00 (24:38):
Yeah.
I said, fuck that.
Um, I mean, if something likethis happened, my first
inclination would not be just togo and shoot him in the face.
SPEAKER_01 (24:47):
No.
SPEAKER_00 (24:48):
I would probably I don't know what I'd do.
SPEAKER_01 (24:50):
Close the door, like you said.
And they didn't have phones, sothey had to go drive to get
help.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (24:56):
So yeah, it's hard for me to- I mean if they were
living in the backwoods, phonelines were not set up back then.
SPEAKER_01 (25:01):
Yeah, it's hard for me to place myself into that
context.
SPEAKER_00 (25:05):
Because nowadays, you know, I would You'd write a
little letter, I'd video it, I'dcall it.
You'd rubber band it to apigeon's foot and you'd throw it
out the window and hope that itgot to the police department in
time.
SPEAKER_01 (25:14):
Just in the nick of time.
It is possible that this is allreal.
It is possible, but there issome hilarious things about it.
The rainbow bathtub.
Yeah.
That doesn't line up withanything that we've seen or
heard of.
SPEAKER_00 (25:28):
It does in a way, because I mean a bathtub, if you
think, or like a wash basin,which is what they described it
as.
When you're describing somethingthat is outside of like your
realm of understanding, you'regoing to use terms that you're
familiar with.
And so like a wash basin, likemaybe the tic-tac.
Rainbows, tic-tac, or whatever.
You're going to use a shape or aterm that you're familiar with.
SPEAKER_01 (25:49):
Yeah, and if they are in the backwoods, they don't
leave very often.
One of the bigger things theyown is probably a wash tab.
And that was probably the shape.
SPEAKER_00 (25:58):
Yeah.
Just like a cylinder, right?
SPEAKER_01 (26:01):
Yeah.
I would say, I mean, there's notproof.
I highly lean on what theprivate investigators were
saying, where these people weretruly terrified.
They all stuck to their stories.
SPEAKER_00 (26:12):
Well, they weren't private investigators.
It was the police department.
And then there was like NationalGuard or whatever that was
stationed there.
SPEAKER_01 (26:18):
Well, later, like after Project Bluebeck came and
they just said it was a hoax.
SPEAKER_00 (26:23):
Oh, you're talking about like the aficionados of
the story that went and didtheir own little research.
SPEAKER_01 (26:28):
Right.
When they say, you know, thefear is real, which I don't
doubt.
And then that there wasn't fame.
And that's a lot of thesepeople, like they're not looking
for fame.
And actually the fame has hurtthem.
SPEAKER_00 (26:38):
Yes, they were.
They were selling tickets totheir property.
SPEAKER_01 (26:41):
Eventually, because it's like I mean eventually,
like pretty quick.
Eventually they moved out.
Not right away, but I mean Iwould.
My daughter wrote a book.
I mean, if there was just a shitton of people coming to my
house, I'd be like, I need tofigure out how to make some
money off of this, especially ifthey're destroying the land.
They need to keep the placelooking good.
Most people have that mindsetthough.
When I tell people I have apodcast, people are like, Yeah,
(27:03):
do you make money?
That's the first thing they ask.
Yes, tons.
unknown (27:06):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (27:07):
All the money is.
Yeah.
No, we make nothing.
This is for fun.
Yeah.
And knowledge.
But I mean, that's a commonthing where a lot of people
stop.
They don't want to talk about itanymore just because they get
made fun of, they get ridiculed.
And that is a lot of evidence tome.
It's not physical evidence, butit is.
I mean, when you think aboutpsychology, it that would make
(27:29):
sense.
If someone is ashamed orembarrassed or trying to hide it
or doesn't want to talk about itanymore, then that kind of shows
that there may have been alittle bit of truth to what they
saw.
It may have been like you'vementioned in the past, the
perfect storm of fear and owls.
SPEAKER_00 (27:49):
That's the thing though.
They're talking about beingembarrassed.
Are they embarrassed because ofwhat they saw, or are they
embarrassed because the thingthey saw wasn't actually that
threatening?
And they had like a very extremereaction to it.
And now they're just like, ohshit, we made a terrible mistake
by involving all these people,and now people are coming out
who are gonna try and chargethem to kind of lessen the
(28:10):
feeling of shame that I haveabout this thing that I reacted
so extremely to, and theneventually they're just like,
This is too much, I can't Ican't deal with this, we gotta
get out of here.
SPEAKER_01 (28:18):
Yeah, and that's possibility too.
The bad part is if this wastruly aliens, what if they
fucked it all up?
What if this was like, hey, wewanna let all you humans into
our Federation, and there'slike, get the fuck away.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (28:33):
But it's also weird.
Okay, so imagine you are analien.
You're tootin' around ouratmosphere and you're looking
for a place to land.
You land here and you just startharassing this family.
It seems or why does it alwaysseem like it's always in the
backwoods and there are alwaysextreme reactions to this?
Like either you're blastingsomebody or someone's finger
(28:54):
blasting you to bring back whatwe talked about at the top of
the episode.
SPEAKER_01 (28:59):
There have been really huge sightings that were
not in backwoods that we haven'ttalked about.
SPEAKER_00 (29:05):
Right.
I mean, we've talked about somemilitary sightings, right?
And we'll we will continue totalk about that.
But a lot of these, especiallythese early responses, the ones
that are the most popular arethe ones that come from these
very remote, very rural areas.
SPEAKER_01 (29:20):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (29:21):
Same with I mean, and that was encrypted.
That was the joke with RandyQuaid's character in
Independence Day, living out ofa trailer out in the desert or
whatever.
SPEAKER_01 (29:30):
Yeah.
Like I've said before, I don'twant to speak for the aliens.
I don't know.
I mean, this whole alien thingis we just don't know what they
are, who they are, what theywant.
If we had those answers, wemight be able to answer some of
these questions.
And some of it could not bereal, you know.
I mean, there are a lot ofpeople out there looking for
fame, but I also think thatthere's a lot that aren't.
(29:50):
I know personally people haveseen very strange things and
they don't talk about it justbecause it's first of all scary,
and then they don't want to be.
Judged.
Yeah.
Maybe some people don't thinkabout that.
SPEAKER_00 (30:03):
I think that's too bad.
I think we need to do better ashumans.
If people are so afraid becausethey don't want to be judged, I
think that that's uh that speaksmore of like how we treat each
other on a human-to-human level.
SPEAKER_01 (30:14):
Oh yeah.
And that's the whole thing.
I mean, which I think is greatabout us doing this show.
I didn't think about it untiljust recently that we are
helping that open dialogue andthat discussion because there's
still a lot of people that don'ttalk about it, and we are going
out and talking to people aboutit all the time now.
Even that's going to desensitizethe stigma just a little bit.
(30:34):
I think that's most importantand maybe treat people better.
Better.
Yeah.
I mean, that goes in everyaspect of be kind.
SPEAKER_00 (30:41):
I mean, these people have experienced something
traumatic.
This was probably very close tothe worst day of their life, and
just be kind about it.
They just experienced somethingthat has obviously changed them.
Yeah.
But it could have been like themost horrible experience they've
ever had.
And I don't think we need todiscredit that experience.
Right.
And it something happened.
Yeah, it's so easy to be kind.
(31:02):
You know, don't no, it's hard tobe kind.
It's so easy to be cruel.
SPEAKER_01 (31:06):
Well, it's not like you have to become this person's
best friend and investigate withthem and do all this.
Just be like, oh, wow, thank,thanks for sharing.
That's crazy.
And then move on with your life.
You don't have to make fun ofthem or call them liars or
crazy.
SPEAKER_00 (31:20):
That's that's the easy thing to do.
It is a lot harder to be kind.
SPEAKER_01 (31:23):
For some people, for sure.
SPEAKER_00 (31:25):
Sure.
SPEAKER_01 (31:25):
Well, for me, this story, it is a story.
There is not a ton of evidence.
I think this is just a straightmaybe right down the middle for
me.
Like I've said in the past, someof my views and opinions have
changed as I've learned moreabout those topics.
But this right now, for what Iknow, is just a maybe.
(31:46):
Maybe if I read some of thesebooks, maybe that can change.
But yeah, there's just not a lotof evidence.
It's one of those things itcould or could not be.
I would say 55%.
I want to 55%.
I want to be more on the aliensyes side than Classic Josh.
SPEAKER_00 (32:04):
Lower on the no side.
Okay, this is a low no for me.
This is like I'm pretty firmlyin the no aliens.
This is not an alien encounter.
Just based on the story we readtoday.
Okay.
I think something happened.
But I don't I don't I am notruling out You think it was
bulletproof owls.
I no, I don't think they sawanything.
(32:25):
I think that it was just themhaving like a wild night of just
wanting to shoot something,maybe and I'm pretty sure that
alcohol was involved.
SPEAKER_01 (32:33):
Yeah, I I think most experiences and most of the day
alcohol is involved in a lot ofthose areas.
SPEAKER_00 (32:39):
And it was probably moonshine.
There are some hallucinogeniceffects to moonshine.
I just I just don't believe it.
But the police also said thatthese weren't wild-eyed drunk.
No, they said that Glenny wasn'ta wild-eyed drunk.
She was the one that wasrecounting the experience.
Everybody else was in a highlyagitated state.
SPEAKER_01 (32:57):
Yeah, it could be.
SPEAKER_00 (32:58):
And if you've got all that adrenaline pumping
through, it's gonna be harder toread what is drunk and what's
just like coursing adrenaline.
SPEAKER_01 (33:05):
So aliens, yes, maybe no, you're a no.
SPEAKER_00 (33:07):
I'm a no.
SPEAKER_01 (33:08):
A low no, and I'm a mid maybe.
Okay, good.
SPEAKER_00 (33:11):
I'll take that.
That's exciting.
SPEAKER_01 (33:12):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (33:13):
Okay.
I want to believe.
Yeah, I want to believe too.
Yeah.
But this hasn't moved the needlefor me.
SPEAKER_01 (33:17):
Well, I want to know what you guys think.
If you're listening on YouTubeor Spotify, leave some comments.
Give us a follow so you knowwhen we get new episodes.
Give us thumbs up so that weknow you're liking it.
Yeah, we have fan mail in ourepisode description.
You can just click on that andit'll just go to a place where
you can just basically text uson your phone and we'll get
(33:39):
that, and maybe we will reply toyou on the podcast.
We can't text you back, but wecan definitely do a shout-out or
something like that.
Yeah.
Glad you guys are stilllistening, or this is your first
one.
I hope you enjoyed it.
What a good time.
Yeah, what a good time for youto jump right in.
Halloween.
Ooh.
And that's gonna lead us to ourbaseline quiz for the next
(34:01):
episode.
Are you gonna do your littlespit loop?
SPEAKER_00 (34:06):
Are you ready?
No.
All right.
So without further ado.
Oh my gosh.
Oh no.
SPEAKER_01 (34:17):
This next episode that we're gonna talk about,
we're just finding out, is aboutUFO Colts.
SPEAKER_00 (34:24):
Gonna be a totally normal, chill, cool episode next
time.
Oh man.
I mean, just the word cult has apretty negative.
They've got what's the guy'sname?
The um Hillbop comic guy.
Do you remember that?
No.
Hillbop?
Hillbop.
There was an asteroid that camereally close to Earth.
There was a group of people thatbelieved there was a spaceship
(34:48):
behind this asteroid.
They were all planning ongetting aboard this spaceship,
but the way to do it was you hadto shake off this moral coil and
drink Kool-Aid.
They all had the exact same pairof like Nikes on.
Whoa.
They all laid out they were inall white.
We'll probably talk about it.
SPEAKER_01 (35:07):
Okay.
This is what we're going to talkabout next week.
So let's just start with thesequestions.
Which of these was not a corebelief or claim from UFO
religions?
A.
Spacecraft shaped like cigarscarrying scout patrol ships.
B, the star of Bethlehem was analien vessel.
C, souls are hardware-likedeposits containing cosmic info.
(35:28):
Or D, Jesus was geneticallyengineered by the Greys.
Okay.
So which of these was not a corebelief or claim from UFO
religion?
SPEAKER_00 (35:36):
Not.
SPEAKER_01 (35:37):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (35:37):
Uh okay, so spaceship shape like cigars or
carrying scout patrol ships.
That is my answer.
Okay.
Because that just deals with theshape of the ship.
And I think all these otherthings, like Star of Bethlehem
was an alien vessel, thattotally seems like for me.
Uh souls are hardware-likedeposits containing cosmic info.
(35:58):
That lines up with what I wastalking about with the Heaven's
Gate cult.
That happened in our lifetime,Josh.
That's wild.
It's wild.
Once you start describing it, Iremember hearing about it.
So they thought they couldtransfer their consciousness, I
believe, to this alien ship andthey were gonna go and live.
Maybe they did.
Sure.
Maybe they I mean, we don'tknow.
Death is the big unknown, man.
You really know what happensafter death.
(36:19):
Maybe you can manifest.
You're saying spacecraft shapelike cigars.
Yep, just because it's justdealing with the shape of the
ship, and I don't think thatreally factors into their
religion at all.
SPEAKER_01 (36:28):
Yeah, I was leaning towards that as well, just
because that seems likesomething they necessarily
probably wouldn't focus on.
So I'm gonna say that as well.
Yeah.
So we both say A.
Okay, next one.
Which UFO religion famously diedby mass suicide in 1997?
Boom.
Got it.
A, the Ethereum Society, B, theOrder of the Solar Temple, C,
(36:50):
Heaven's Gate, or D, Raelism.
SPEAKER_00 (36:53):
That's what you like.
You're always talking aboutgetting railed.
Okay.
Is that isn't doesn't thatrelate to the podcast?
Is there another definition thatI don't know?
Uh yeah, I think this is a areligion.
Uh, sure.
Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_01 (37:06):
Uh, I think that these are all really good band
names.
SPEAKER_00 (37:11):
They seem like very Christian band names.
SPEAKER_01 (37:13):
Heaven's Gate, the Order of the Solar Temple.
SPEAKER_00 (37:16):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (37:16):
Aethereus Society.
Yeah, I could see that.
Okay.
I have no idea.
Do you know?
I was in high school when thishappened.
I'm gonna do the AethereusSociety.
Okay.
Just wild guess.
Uh-huh.
What are you saying?
Heaven's Gate.
Okay.
Oh, dang it.
Next question.
In Heaven's Gate teachings, whatwas the purpose of the human
body?
(37:37):
A a vessel to carry out alienmissions.
B a plant or vehicle temporarilyinhabited by a soul.
C, an experiment created byreptilians, or D, a sacred
temple for the soul.
SPEAKER_00 (37:50):
Okay.
I don't know what the answer is.
I have a couple of guesses.
I'm going to rule out experimentcreated by reptilians and a
sacred temple for the soul,because that seems to fall in
line with like a lot ofreligions, right?
Like that's just what we oftensay, you know, I'm going to
shake off this mortal coil.
SPEAKER_01 (38:09):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (38:09):
It's temporary.
It's temporary, yep.
So to be more specific, I thinkit's got to be either a vessel
to carry out alien missions or aplant or vehicle temporarily
inhabited by a soul.
But I'm going to say a vessel tocarry out alien missions.
SPEAKER_01 (38:23):
Okay.
I'm thinking a plant or vehicletemporarily inhabited by a soul.
Kind of like the Scientology oris that the first time we've
invoked Scientology?
SPEAKER_00 (38:32):
Um I think we talked about El Ron Hubbard earlier in
one of our earlier apps.
Yeah, I just know people can getin big doo-doo when they speak
about Do you know everyScientology temple has a
recreation of L.
Ron Hubbard's office where heused to write sci-fi?
Every single one.
Like Severance.
Like Severance.
Only like all of theirbuildings.
(38:53):
Wow.
We visited one in Portland.
SPEAKER_01 (38:56):
Really?
SPEAKER_00 (38:56):
Mm-hmm.
It was wild.
Instantly walked out because wewere nervous.
We've heard stories of I don'tknow if they're missionaries,
but like people being followed.
Yeah.
Just for showing interest in itbecause they want to control the
narrative.
SPEAKER_01 (39:08):
It's real and scary.
Okay, next one.
Which UFO group believes humanswere created by
extraterrestrials called theElohim?
Raelism, Scientology, Heaven'sGate, the Seekers.
SPEAKER_00 (39:24):
I don't know much about Scientology, but I do feel
like that falls in line withtheir beliefs.
SPEAKER_01 (39:30):
I am gonna say the seekers.
I don't know.
This is just a guess.
Okay.
I don't think Scientology reallyhas anything to do with
Christianity or Well, it'sJudaism.
That's Hebrew.
SPEAKER_00 (39:42):
Yeah, I mean, any of the The big three Christianity,
Islam, Judaism.
He's a science fiction writerwho based all of his teachings
on other teachings.
SPEAKER_01 (39:53):
Just the seekers sound similar to Christian
religions.
SPEAKER_00 (39:56):
Seekers sounds like a group.
Like if you were to say, like,yeah, I'm part of this church,
and you're like, oh, cool.
What what is it?
Are you like a Mormon?
Are you Scientologists?
And they're like, nope, we'rethe seekers.
I would instantly be like, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (40:08):
Seekers are also very scary monsters.
Is this guy where Harry Potterwas?
He was a seeker.
SPEAKER_00 (40:15):
Yeah, isn't that what it's called?
Where you're looking for the thegibbet?
Whatever that's the gibblets.
Yeah.
Alright, let's let's move on.
Okay, so I said Scientology, yousaid the seekers.
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (40:25):
Okay.
Next one.
What term did Heaven's Gate useto describe the higher spiritual
dimension they aim to reach?
So A, the Galactic Federation.
Holy shit.
B planet colob.
That's the one I'm holy shittingright now.
C, the fifth density, uh-huh.
SPEAKER_00 (40:40):
Or D, the level above human.
So planet coob is actuallysomething that Mormons believe
in.
Really?
Yes.
It's wild.
Okay.
They have a hymn called If YouCould Hide a Co-op.
It's like the planet that Godlives on.
Whoa.
That's like deep Mormondoctrine.
I've never heard that.
It's wild.
And they believe that when youdie, after, you know, whatever,
(41:01):
you can become a god in your ownright.
So you would have control overyour own little your own little
world.
Wow.
Okay.
Hey, Mormons, hit me up in thecomments.
Tell me I'm wrong.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (41:13):
Do it.
I mean, Heaven's Gate, if it iskind of like a sect off of the
Mormon, because I've heard thereare lots of subcultures inside
of the Mormon religion.
Galactic Federation, that justseems Star Wars.
Yeah.
Fifth density sounds right tome.
The level above human, that'sjust describing that's what I
(41:33):
think it is.
You think that's what it is?
SPEAKER_00 (41:35):
That's what I think it is.
So I'm gonna say the fifthdensity.
I'm probably wrong, but I'm justI think that's what it is.
SPEAKER_01 (41:41):
Okay, next one.
Which religion do some scholarsclassify as a UFO religion due
to its space opera elements andxeno cosmogony?
SPEAKER_00 (41:50):
Okay, I know what the answer is.
SPEAKER_01 (41:52):
Is it a Urantia?
Urantia?
SPEAKER_00 (41:55):
Urantia?
I don't know.
U-R-A-N-T-I-A for you guyslistening.
SPEAKER_01 (42:00):
We'll figure that out maybe in the next episode.
Is it B Scientology, C, theSeekers, or D, Church Universal,
and Triumphant?
Wow.
Space opera elements.
Uh Scientology.
Oh, really?
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
That was my answer too, becauseyou said it.
SPEAKER_00 (42:19):
Oh, Josh, you're falling right into my trap to
get everything wrong.
Oh, perfect.
I don't know what Xenocosmogony.
Xenu is a term I've heard inreference to Scientology.
I don't know much about Xenu.
I don't know.
I'm not even going to try todefine it.
SPEAKER_01 (42:34):
So, next question: What controversial scientific
initiative is associated withRaelism?
Is it A human cloning throughclonade?
B time travel experiments.
C artificial intelligence tosummon aliens.
Or D genetic splicing betweenhumans and dolphins?
These answers.
(42:55):
They're all bonkers.
SPEAKER_00 (42:58):
Humans and dolphins?
That's that's like some bodyhorror David Cronenberg type
shit.
That's like what you see in likebizarro Japanese horror movies.
SPEAKER_01 (43:08):
I have a feeling maybe I have heard of this.
Religion.
Realism, yeah.
This is the one you're alwaystalking about.
No, that's a different thing,personal thing.
I can't believe you brought itup on the show.
I think it's artificialintelligence to summon aliens.
SPEAKER_00 (43:24):
Okay, I'm gonna say time travel experiments just
because I really like the ideaof time travel.
SPEAKER_01 (43:29):
I do too.
SPEAKER_00 (43:30):
It's my favorite.
SPEAKER_01 (43:31):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (43:31):
Love it.
SPEAKER_01 (43:32):
All right.
Last question.
What message did many UFOreligions convey about Earth's
fate?
A, it will be absorbed into ablack hole.
B, it is secretly flat andhollow.
Uh-oh.
C, it is about to be recycled ordestroyed.
Or D, it is the finalbattleground between AI and
humans.
(43:52):
Well, all these are creepy.
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_00 (43:56):
Okay.
So I think it's about to berecycled and destroyed.
I think that's why Heaven's Gatewas trying to leave because they
thought Earth was meant fordestruction.
That is the main idea behind theHitchhiker's Guide to the
Galaxy, is they're destroyingEarth to create like an
interplanetary highway, right?
So I think that there is sometruth in that.
I don't believe it's abattleground for AI.
(44:18):
Um, and the reason I'm sayingthat is because like how long
has AI been around andconsidered like a real threat?
Absorbed into a black hole.
That could line up though withrecycled or destroyed.
SPEAKER_01 (44:30):
And black holes are showing up more and more often.
So billions of years, everythingwill be swallowed up by a black
hole, potentially.
Sure.
I think I'm gonna say absorbedby a black hole.
Okay.
Daring, Josh.
So I'm gonna submit.
We'll check our answers, viewour accuracy.
Oh boy.
SPEAKER_00 (44:49):
Oh boy, you did fall right into my trap.
Kind of.
SPEAKER_01 (44:52):
Yeah, I didn't get many right.
SPEAKER_00 (44:54):
So the ones I got right are wild.
SPEAKER_01 (44:58):
Which of these was not a core belief or claim from
UFO religions?
I said spacecraft shaped likecigars, you did too.
They do not believe Jesus wasgenetically engineered by the
Greys.
SPEAKER_00 (45:08):
That is wild.
I thought I'd read something.
SPEAKER_01 (45:10):
Jordan does a great job with quizzes work.
Yeah.
Next one.
Which UFO religion famously diedby the mass suicide?
Heaven's Gate.
I said authorius society.
So you got that right.
I'm negative two.
Okay.
Heaven's Gate teachings.
What was the purpose of thehuman body?
SPEAKER_00 (45:29):
I said a vessel to carry out alien missions.
SPEAKER_01 (45:31):
Yeah.
And I said a plant or vehicletemporarily inhabited by a soul.
And that was correct.
SPEAKER_02 (45:36):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (45:36):
Okay.
Next one, which UFO groupbelieves humans were created by
extraterrestrials called theElohim?
I said the seekers.
You should have taken my prompt.
I know.
It was This was realism.
Yeah.
What did you say?
I said Scientology.
Okay.
It was realism.
Next one, what term did Heaven'sGate use to describe the higher
spiritual dimension they aim toreach?
SPEAKER_00 (45:58):
It is the level above human.
Yeah, so dumb.
That's what I picked.
SPEAKER_01 (46:02):
That is dumb.
SPEAKER_00 (46:03):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (46:03):
I said the fifth density.
SPEAKER_00 (46:05):
So it just lacks any sort of like creativity or
flourish, you know.
They're literally describing.
They're just like the levelabove and what's beyond that?
I don't know, two levels abovehuman, or the level beyond
whatever we decide the levelabove human is.
Yeah, I'm just starting areligion, man.
Just get back to me with thedetails.
I'll figure it out.
But here's some Kool-Aid.
Why don't you drink that?
SPEAKER_01 (46:24):
Yeah.
All right.
Next one.
Which religion do some scholarsclassify as a UFO religion due
to its space opera elements ofxeno cosmogony?
And we both said Scientology.
That is correct.
Correct.
Uh next one, what controversialscientific initiative is
associated with realism?
I said AI to summon aliens.
That's not correct.
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You said time travel.
The answer is human cloningthrough clonade.
Which is w wild.
SPEAKER_00 (46:50):
What is clonade?
It's what you put in your buttright before you get a
colonoscopy.
SPEAKER_01 (46:55):
I don't think that's correct.
Colonade.
Colon aid.
No, this is clonade.
Oh, I misread it.
Oh.
Moving on.
Okay, last one.
What message did many UFOreligions convey about Earth's
fate?
Ooh yeah.
I said it will be absorbed intoa black hole.
The correct answer is it isabout to be recycled.
SPEAKER_00 (47:15):
Oh is this the best I've ever done on a quiz?
I think so.
I got two correct.
And I got 50%.
Best I've ever done.
SPEAKER_01 (47:24):
I got 25%.
Oh boy, you dummy.
I know.
So that's what we're gonna talkabout next week.
I think it's gonna befascinating.
Yeah.
I think I can get through itjust because I don't have to
join.
Like, but just I mean, justcolts, they're icky.
SPEAKER_00 (47:39):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (47:40):
Well, cool.
Well, thanks for listening.
Tune in to the next episode whenthat drops.
Like we said before, follow usso you get notifications or it
can auto-download just so youhave it ready.
Let us know what you think.
Give us potential topics to talkabout.
All right.
Until next time.
Bye.
Aliens?
SPEAKER_00 (00:04):
Aliens.
Aliens.
Yes.
But maybe no.
Do you feel that spookiness inthe air, Josh?
Yeah, it's getting cold out.
It is getting cold out.
A little chilly.
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Yeah.
Pretty overcast.
Leaves are turning.
Mm-hmm.
Christmas in the air.
Kids are starting to fiend forcandy.
Spooky, scary skeletons.
Ooh.
Yeah.
Well, welcome to the show.
This is Aliens, yes, but maybeno.
I'm Travis.
I'm Josh.
This is an otherworldly podcastas ambiguous as our title.
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So, as we alluded to, it isspooky season.
Mm-hmm.
But we're recording this in May.
So we're trying to capture theright mood.
Yeah.
So we were singing Halloweensongs and we ate a bunch of
candy.
I'm probably gonna fall asleepin the middle of this episode
because I'm gonna crash reallyhard.
(01:07):
It's all those butterfingers.
I love a butterfinger.
Yeah.
So uh what did we talk aboutlast week?
Skinwalker ranch.
Shit, that's right.
That's right.
That's right, that's right.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (01:17):
That was a spooky one.
I mean, that whole area isspooky.
I probably would not want to gothere.
If I was given the choice, Iwouldn't go.
SPEAKER_00 (01:26):
No, I don't I don't have a reason to go.
SPEAKER_01 (01:28):
Because of the spook factor.
It's just too much weird things,too much unexplained, even the
paranormal, you know, me notbelieving in ghosts and all that
stuff, being somewhere that hassuch a high strangeness, I'm
definitely gonna be spookedabout it, even not believing.
Which maybe does that meansecretly I I'm open to it?
Maybe you are pretty open to itthough.
(01:50):
Yeah, I'm I don't want todiscount anything.
I always play devil's advocate,or I try to, I try to see both
sides.
Personally, it doesn't makesense, but in the spirit of
Halloween, maybe.
But maybe what are you gonna befor Halloween this year?
SPEAKER_00 (02:03):
Uh probably just like a cool guy.
That's what I normally dress upas.
It's totally contradictory towhat I am the other 364 days of
the year.
You're just gonna wear the samething and just pop your collar.
I think I'm gonna put on someleaderhosen.
Oh.
And do a little German dance.
I know that that's really comingback.
I think you and I have differentideas of cool guy.
(02:24):
Well, whatever your idea is,it's wrong.
Like lederhosen is the coolestthing.
I was thinking polo and popcollar, sunglasses.
It's shorts.
You can't even call them shorts.
They're called short pants.
Schpants?
Yeah.
I've seen yours and they arevery authentic.
Well, I'm wearing them now.
So why have you been avoidingeye contact with me, Josh?
Because they're short.
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They're very short.
unknown (02:46):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (02:46):
Germans don't like long pants.
SPEAKER_01 (02:48):
Yeah, so we'll be doing this whole episode with no
eye contact.
Okay.
I'm gonna be a goblin.
You're gonna be a goblin.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (02:55):
Perfect.
That leads us right into whatwe're gonna talk about today.
SPEAKER_01 (02:57):
It does.
Our Halloween-themed topic.
We are gonna be talking aboutthe Kelly Hopkinsville Goblin.
When I first heard KellyHopkins, I thought of like a
medical company, right?
Doesn't it sound like someonethat creates vaccines?
SPEAKER_00 (03:11):
Kelly Hopkinsville Goblins?
Not the goblin bar, but justKelly Hopkinsville.
Yeah, it sounds like a medicalinstitution like Johns Hopkins.
SPEAKER_01 (03:19):
Yeah, so maybe that's why.
SPEAKER_00 (03:20):
Yeah, all in the same vein.
SPEAKER_01 (03:22):
This one's a little different though.
We're gonna tell you a spookystory.
SPEAKER_00 (03:29):
In the quiet countryside near Kelly and
Hopkinsville, Kentucky, onAugust 21st, 1955, began like
any other summer evening.
The Sun family, along with a fewclose friends, had gathered in
their modest farmhouse, aweathered structure nestled
between dense woods and tobaccofields.
Eleven people were there thatnight.
Eight adults, three children,most were family, some were just
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visiting.
None of them expected what wascoming.
Just before sunset, Billy RayTaylor, a 21-year-old guest from
Pennsylvania, stepped outside tofetch water from the backyard
well.
That's when he saw it.
A glowing object blazing acrossthe sky.
He later described it as a washtub, all lit up like a streak of
fire.
Okay, I want you to say this inyour best backwoods,
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Pennsylvania, Billy Ray Tayloraccent.
SPEAKER_01 (04:16):
Um a wash tub?
I'll lit up like a streak offire.
SPEAKER_00 (04:21):
Okay.
Was that good?
That was good.
You nailed it.
You nailed it in one.
We call that a one-take tiger.
It was trailing rainbow-coloredexhaust before it silently
descended into the trees beyondthe house.
It didn't behave like a plane ora shooting star, it moved with
purpose.
Which we've seen before.
But how does a shooting star notmove with purpose?
SPEAKER_01 (04:43):
Well, just thought.
Like it was intelligently movinginstead of visually moving.
SPEAKER_00 (04:48):
You think that Billy Ray identified how intelligently
it was moving across the sky?
He described it as a wash tubshitting rainbows.
SPEAKER_01 (04:56):
He did.
Yes, he did.
You know what?
There's no facts.
This is just a spooky story.
SPEAKER_00 (05:03):
Okay.
So Billy Ray rushed back inside,excited and insistent.
He told others what he'd seen,but was met with rolled eyes and
good-natured teasing.
After all, there was awell-known meteor shower
happening that weekend, andBilly Ray had a bit of a
reputation for being dramatic.
To most of them, it was probablyjust a fireball.
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They're just like, no, no,Billy, just a fireball.
You know those casual thingsthat just blast through the sky.
Well, that's what was happening.
Like the it was just a fireball.
Yeah.
Okay.
Not long after he went inside,things started to feel off.
Around 8 p.m., the Sutton's dogbegan barking furiously at
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something outside.
Snarling, pacing, growing morefrantic by the second.
When they opened the door to letit out, it bolted under the
house and refused to come out.
That dog wouldn't be seen againuntil the following morning.
The laughter from earlier fadedinto nervous glances.
Billy Ray and Elmer, Lucky, ashe was known, Sutton, a
25-year-old carnival worker, andone of Glenny Langford's older
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sons stepped out to see what hadset the dog up.
I love the story so much.
This is the wildest shit I'veever heard.
It's a washtub flying throughthe sky that's tootin' out
rainbows.
A guy is a carnival worker.
Named Lucky.
Named Lucky.
How do you think he got thatname?
He probably escaped death many atimes.
(06:29):
Yeah.
Okay.
As they scanned the yard with aflashlight, a strange shimmer
caught their eyes.
In the distance just beyond thefence line, something was moving
slowly, deliberately.
It glowed faintly, almost as ifreflecting moonlight.
Then they saw it.
Not an animal, not a man, butsomething else entirely
different.
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The figure was small, maybethree feet tall, with
unnaturally long limbs thatswayed like they were
weightless.
Its eyes were oversized andglowing yellow, and its skin, if
it was even skin at all, seemedmetallic.
The thing looked like it hadbat-like ears, a bulbous head,
and arms so long they nearlytouched the ground.
Lucky and Billy Ray didn't wait.
One grabbed a shotgun, the othera pistol, and they fired.
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The creature dropped with ametallic peeing as if the
bullets had struck a tin can,but instead of falling, it
somersaulted backwards, stoodup, and silently ran off into
the dark.
Spooky.
Yeah, it's spooky.
But I guess that's how you liketest to see if something is
real.
You just start firing at it.
You just you just startedblasting.
SPEAKER_01 (07:30):
Yeah, I wouldn't fire at something if I I mean
that would that would be one ofmy last reactions, but this was
one of their first.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (07:37):
What would you say your first reaction would be?
Try to kiss it on the lips?
SPEAKER_01 (07:40):
No, I would probably go inside.
SPEAKER_00 (07:43):
Yeah.
I would just be like, uh no.
No.
You're an outside thing.
I'm gonna go inside.
SPEAKER_01 (07:48):
I think as we'll read more, that could have been
the whole reason that theyexperienced the rest of what
they're about to experience thatwe're gonna tell you.
For the next several hours, thefarmhouse was no longer a home.
It was a fortress.
Inside were 11 people, threeyoung children, their mothers,
and a few visiting friends, andtwo young men now acting as
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armed sentries.
They huddled in the few litrooms of the house, tense and
exhausted, listening for anysound outside that didn't
belong.
Glenny Langford, the 50-year-oldmatriarch of the family, kept
her composure even as chaosunfolded around her.
Highly religious, stern, andsober-minded, she had long
forbidden alcohol or cursingunder her roof.
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She didn't believe infoolishness, which is what I
constantly say in my house.
None of this foolishness! Andyet, even she admitted something
was out there.
Her youngest children, Lonnie,age 12, Charlton, age 10, and
Mary, just seven, wereterrified.
She kept them hidden under thebed for much of the night,
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telling them not to come out nomatter what they heard.
The children would later saythey never saw the creatures
themselves, but they could hearthe gunshots.
They could feel the tension, andthey could sense the fear in the
adults' voices, which may havebeen the most frightening thing
of all.
Aline Sutton clutched herbrother O.P.
Baker's arm in the dark.
Vera and June, the wives ofLucky and Billy Ray, stayed near
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the children, too afraid to lookout the windows.
According to one source, JuneTaylor was so frightened that
she kept her eyes closed formost of the ordeal.
But it was the men, Lucky Suttonand Billy Ray Taylor, who took
charge of defending the house.
With a 22 pistol and a 12-gaugeshotgun, they fired repeatedly
at the creatures as theyappeared at the windows, on the
roof, in the yard.
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The beings seemed to taunt them,floating past windows, peering
inside, scratching at glass,disappearing and then
reappearing like ghosts, eachshot with a metallic ping.
One creature was blasted off theroof after it grabbed Billy Ray
by the hair.
But instead of falling, itfloated gently down, unharmed.
Another was hit in a tree andtumbled to the ground only to
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vanish again.
One especially strange momentcame when a figure approached
Lucky with its hands raised,almost in surrender, but he
fired anyway.
The result was always the same.
The creatures were eitherindestructible or not entirely
there.
The family soon realized thecreatures avoided light.
Every bulb in the house wasturned on.
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Even so, the figures remainedjust at the edge of visibility,
moving silently through thedarkness, always watching.
For nearly four hours, thefamily remained trapped, unable
to sleep, unable to escape,defending themselves from
something they could barelycomprehend.
SPEAKER_00 (10:35):
Okay, so I have some questions.
Glenny Langford, the matriarchof the family, right?
Yeah.
Doesn't believe in foolishness,had like a strict rule against
all these foolish things.
In order to have that rule, thatmeans somebody has to violate
it.
And I think that's what'shappening here.
I think these guys are likezonked out on moonshine and
seeing some things that maybethey don't see.
(10:57):
And then you had just referencedit, like the kids didn't see
anything.
It's just these two guys.
So I think they just went tofreaking hamburger town and got
zonked out on goofballs and juststarted blasting.
They were just fed up with herrules.
I don't think they No, I don'tthink this was like a
retaliation.
I think that it was a rebellion,maybe.
But I don't I don't think thatit was a rebellion against some
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hard rules.
I just think they just gotfucked up and just wanted to
shoot shit.
And maybe they were seeing somethings, maybe not.
It's possible.
So now we're at like what hourfour of this?
Did this start at seven whenthey started seeing some
wackadoo stuff?
Around eight is when they letthe dog out because it was
barking.
Okay.
So now it's eleven.
(11:39):
Glenny made the call.
They had to get out.
The creatures hadn't tried tobreak down the doors or force
their way in.
Not yet.
But the family couldn't take anymore.
The fear was too much.
With the creatures still lurkingoutside, the group made a break
for their cars.
Two vehicles crammed, but thisis like a zombie movie.
Yeah, this could be a movie.
Yeah.
I'm surprised it's not.
I mean, it is.
(12:00):
Think of all the like you'retrapped in your house, you've
got to escape type movies.
That's science here, yeah.
Yeah.
Any zombie movie where you gottaget out of your house, you're
slowly being overrun, you haveone opportunity to get out and
you're gonna take it.
Okay.
Two vehicles crammed with all 11people, including the children,
and sped toward Hopkinsville.
They drove fast, headlightscutting through pitch black back
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roads until they reached thepolice station.
When they arrived, the officerson duty were stunned, not just
by the story, but by the peopletelling it.
These weren't wild-eyed drunks.
Glenny was composed but clearlyrattled.
The others were pale, shaking,frantic.
Their fear was real, and theyall told the same story.
A police convoy was quicklyorganized.
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It included city and countyofficers, state troopers, four
military police from nearby FortCampbell, and a couple of
curious onlookers who hadoverheard the commotion.
When they arrived at the Suttonfarm around 2 a.m., the place
was eerily still.
The only evidence of strugglewere shotgun shells scattered
across the porch and yard andbullet holes in the doors,
windows, and trees.
(13:03):
Huh?
Signs of a battle?
Sure, yeah.
I mean they shot the shit out ofthe house.
Yeah.
Nothing else.
SPEAKER_01 (13:10):
Yeah.
Searchers reported a faint glowon a patch of grass near the
fence line.
One officer claimed to see greenlight blinking in the woods.
But despite all these anomalies,they hadn't found anything.
No footprints, no craft, nocreatures.
Just the aftermath of somethingthe Sutton family clearly
believed was real.
By the time the police andmilitary personnel wrapped up
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their search, it was close to2.15 a.m.
The Suttons had no choice but toreturn to their battered
farmhouse, still shaken buthoping that whatever had haunted
them for hours had finally movedon.
For a short time there waspeace.
Then again, around 3:30 a.m., itbegan again.
A figure appeared at the window.
Its glowing eyes stared silentlyinto the house, unblinking.
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Another was seen at the cornerof the yard.
Then another.
There was no sound of movement,no footsteps, no rustling brush,
just the soft, deliberatereappearance of the same
impossible beings they'd alreadytried and failed to drive away.
Glenny Lankford was the first tosee them this time.
She described waking up andspotting one of the creatures at
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her bedroom window, its clawstapping gently at the glass as
if curious or mocking.
Others in the house soonrealized they were back under
watch.
Lucky Sutton armed himselfagain, ready to shoot, but it
was clear by now that bulletshad no real effect.
The creatures didn't try toenter, they didn't speak, they
didn't seem hostile in thetraditional sense, but their
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presence was just as terrifying.
They watched, they loomed, andfor a family already pushed to
the edge, that was enough.
The standoff continued foranother hour and a half long,
slow minutes filled withtension, adrenaline, and
helplessness.
Then, sometime around 5 a.m., asthe sky began to lighten with
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the first hint of dawn, thecreatures quietly disappeared.
One by one, they faded into thewoods, slipping away with the
night, and they didn't return.
So this time she saw it.
Glenny was at the matriarch.
So it wasn't just the tworapscallions.
SPEAKER_00 (15:13):
Unless it was, they're just outside doing their
night patrols, just being weirdocreeps.
Possibly.
SPEAKER_01 (15:18):
I mean, you could say anything.
You can say it was the police,it was the military.
It was the police tapping underwindow, just making sure she was
okay.
But the one thing, them shootingat it and hearing the ping, and
then nothing, it doesn't killthem.
They're just bulletproof.
Mm-hmm.
That's weird.
Like that shows it wasn't just aperson or someone playing a
prank.
SPEAKER_00 (15:36):
That's not what I see.
I mean, I don't I don't see thatit was just a person or not a
person.
I think this is just a versionof a story.
This is an anecdote they'retelling, and I think that it
built up over time.
Even the hour or whatever ittook to drive to the police
station.
SPEAKER_01 (15:51):
Okay.
Well, let's read on, let's seeuh what else happens.
SPEAKER_00 (15:55):
So the sun fully risen and the strange visitors
finally gone.
The Sutons were left with abattered home, a traumatized
family, and no real answers.
That morning some of the menleft town.
Billy Ray Taylor went outhunting, perhaps to shake off
the lingering fear.
Others stayed behind, trying toreturn to normal life in a house
that no longer felt safe.
But word had already begun tospread.
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The Kentucky New Era ran a storyalmost immediately, and the
details, eleven witnesses,floating creatures, impervious
to bullets, clawed hands tappingat windows, captured the
public's imagination.
Within days, the farmhousebecame a magnet for curious
onlookers, journalists, andskeptics.
People arrived by the hundreds,trampling fields, peering
through the windows, andpestering the family for
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interviews.
Some came hoping to see aliens,others came to laugh.
You'd be a laugher.
I would want to talk to himbefore laughing.
I mean, this is a funny story,but we're not reading like we're
reading like a flourish of thestory.
Right.
The Sutons, initiallyoverwhelmed, began charging
admission to help manage theflood of visitors, a move that
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will later be used by skepticsto discredit the entire event.
The family's story, however,never wavered.
Even when questioned separately,the core details remain
consistent.
The creature's size, movements,appearance, the timeline, every
account reinforced the others.
Witnesses described the beingsas roughly three feet tall with
glowing yellow eyes, elongatedlimbs, and shimmering silver or
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grey bodies.
They floated, they never spoke,and they seemed unaffected by
gunfire.
Investigators noted that noteven the children changed their
stories under pressure, but thechildren didn't see anything.
They just heard a lot ofgunfire.
That was covered in the firstpart of the story.
But for every believer, therewere just as many doubters.
Project Blue Book, the U.S.
Air Force's official UFOinvestigation at the time,
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reviewed the case and quicklylabeled it a hoax, without much
comment.
No explanation was provided, nodeeper inquiry conducted, the
label stuck.
Civilian investigators were morethorough.
Isabel Davis and Ted Bloker fromthe Center for UFO Studies
interviewed the family and foundtheir testimony compelling.
They described the Suttons assincere, frightened, and wholly
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uninterested in fame.
Some skeptics suggested theinitial sighting.
Billy Ray's glowing flyingsaucer had simply been a meteor.
A known meteor shower had beenactive that night, and other
people in the area had reportedseeing fireballs in the sky.
As for the creatures, one theorygained traction.
Great horned owls.
Yes, just like the Flatwoodsmonster.
(18:23):
Mm-hmm.
They're nocturnal, territorial,about two feet tall, and
equipped with yellow eyes thatreflect brightly in light.
Their wings allow them to flysilently, they can perch on
rooftops, appear to hover, andtheir head tufts might be
mistaken for ears.
Oh, and also, impervious tobullets.
Oh yeah.
In a state of fear, darkness,and confusion, the argument
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goes, even owls could look likealiens.
It didn't help that Billy Ray,the most animated witness, had a
flair for drama and hadpreviously expressed interest in
other UFO stories.
Skeptics saw this as suggestivethat maybe he embellished, maybe
the others were caught up in thepanic, or maybe it was all a
prank that got out of hand.
But the question lingered, couldeleven people, men, women,
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children, sustain the same storywith so many shared details
under so much scrutiny for solong, if it was all just a
misidentification?
My feeling is yes, because thisis, again, just somebody's
impression of what they saw.
Yeah.
Those two guys and Glenny thatmaybe saw something, nobody else
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saw it.
They saw maybe a green lightglowing off in the woods, but
that didn't seem to beinvestigated.
I mean, we'd have to look moreinto the story to find out.
SPEAKER_01 (19:35):
To truly understand the situation, we'd have to know
each person and how they act.
Every group of people is gonnahave a different dynamic,
different everything.
Like let's just say we had afamily gathering with a couple
of friends and my brother andhis friends saw something, and
then my mom saw something.
I would believe them.
But I also know that theywouldn't fake something like
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that.
To fake a real fear would bevery hard, especially with close
family and friends.
I'd be able to suss pretty quickif what was happening was real.
SPEAKER_00 (20:07):
Let's take the situation though as we know it,
right?
There's a lot of fucking bulletsflying.
Yeah.
Kids are going to be freakingthe fuck out.
That is going to amp upeverybody else's emotion because
you're going to be like, stopscreaming.
I'm just shooting these littlefucking green men.
And that's going to like add tothe agitation that everybody's
feeling.
SPEAKER_01 (20:25):
Yeah, I mean, my family gathering would be eight
kids, and they would all befreaking out, and that alone
would be chaos.
SPEAKER_00 (20:33):
Yeah.
So I think chaos and having, youknow, 11 people involved in
this, two of them are shootersjust blasting away.
That's going to agitateeverybody.
SPEAKER_01 (20:42):
Yeah.
So in the weeks and months thatfollowed, the Sutton family
withdrew from the public eye.
The crowds didn't stop, andneither did the jokes.
Strangers kept showing up,trampling their property,
knocking on the door, demandingto see the little green men.
Eventually, overwhelmed andtired of being treated like a
roadside attraction, the familysold the farmhouse and moved
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away.
And yet the story lived on.
Though the witnesses never onceused the term themselves, the
phrase little green men enteredthe American vernacular because
of this case.
The press leaned into the image,embellishing the creature's
color from metallic gray tocartoonish green, and the term
stuck.
From that point forward, littlegreen men became shorthand for
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extraterrestrial visitors.
Over the decades, the KellyHopkinsville encounter became
one of the most famous andstudied UFO cases in the world.
It inspired films like Critters,influenced scenes and close
encounters of the third kind,and even helped shape the design
of aliens and ET.
SPEAKER_00 (21:40):
So this event is considered like thatymology,
like the beginning of the termlittle green men.
In pagan belief, little greenmen is a symbol of rebirth.
The saying uh little green men?
Yeah, or green men, green man.
Oh yeah.
They could be little, they couldbe big, depends on what part of
spring you're in.
I think you're at the beginningof spring, they're probably
little and then they grow up tofull grown green men.
(22:01):
Ideally.
Uh huh.
Yeah.
There was an episode of X-Filesthat dealt with this, a lot of
alien stuff.
There was cartoons.
There was one cartoon called TheLittle Green Man.
It's a little uh Britishanimated cartoon series.
unknown (22:16):
Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_00 (22:17):
Has like a little boy with an alien sidekick.
I went down a weird rabbit hole.
SPEAKER_01 (22:22):
Yeah.
It has been dissected indocumentaries, debated in
skeptical forums, and cited inbooks across genres, from
ufology to psychology.
The local community eventuallyembraced its strange legacy.
Today, the small town of Kelly,Kentucky, holds an annual Little
Green Men's Day festival.
It's a celebration of lights,laughter, and lore filled with
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food vendors, alien costumes,and guest speakers, including
Geraldine Sutton Stith, Lucky'sdaughter, who has written two
books defending her family'sversion of events, and she
continues to speak at festivalsand conferences, not just to
share what happened, but to pushback against how it's been
distorted.
Skeptics, of course, haven'tgone away.
They still point to owls andmeteors, to fear and faulty
(23:04):
perception, and they argue thatthe case, while dramatic, is
ultimately an example of howeasily belief can outpace
evidence, which you've neverthought of.
SPEAKER_00 (23:14):
Oh man, I just tapped my nose really hard.
SPEAKER_01 (23:17):
But even today, something about the Kelly
Hopkinsville encounter refusesto fade.
It's too detailed, too strange,too consistent.
Whether it was aliens, owls, ora perfect storm of stress and
suggestion, the story remains.
Not because it proves anything,but just because it won't go
away.
That would be spooky.
Like if it is all real, let'shave you play devil's advocate.
(23:40):
That would be I mean, I wouldpoop.
You want me to play devil'sadvocate?
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (23:45):
To what?
You pooping?
SPEAKER_01 (23:47):
No, the situation.
Like if you truly believe thatthis was real, this really
happened, it would be the mostscary thing.
SPEAKER_00 (23:54):
You want me to believe this?
SPEAKER_01 (23:55):
Yeah, just this is a good idea.
No, this is how it does.
I just want to see where yourmind would how you would respond
if this situation truly happenedto you.
SPEAKER_00 (24:06):
Like if little goblins showed up at my door.
Yeah.
Would you kick them?
Maybe they're not impervious tokicks.
Um you know what?
Maybe they're not.
Nobody tried kicking them, theyjust tried shooting them.
Yeah.
Nobody tried talking to them.
Their first response was toshoot them.
Even when they put their handsup and they said, you know, in a
sign of giving up orsurrendering, they still shot
(24:27):
him right in the fucking face.
SPEAKER_01 (24:29):
Yeah, if my brother came in, he's like, Yeah, this
guy came up to me with his handsup and I just shot him.
I'd be like, What?
You monster?
Yeah, he has this little whiteflag.
SPEAKER_00 (24:38):
Yeah.
I said, fuck that.
Um, I mean, if something likethis happened, my first
inclination would not be just togo and shoot him in the face.
SPEAKER_01 (24:47):
No.
SPEAKER_00 (24:48):
I would probably I don't know what I'd do.
SPEAKER_01 (24:50):
Close the door, like you said.
And they didn't have phones, sothey had to go drive to get
help.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (24:56):
So yeah, it's hard for me to- I mean if they were
living in the backwoods, phonelines were not set up back then.
SPEAKER_01 (25:01):
Yeah, it's hard for me to place myself into that
context.
SPEAKER_00 (25:05):
Because nowadays, you know, I would You'd write a
little letter, I'd video it, I'dcall it.
You'd rubber band it to apigeon's foot and you'd throw it
out the window and hope that itgot to the police department in
time.
SPEAKER_01 (25:14):
Just in the nick of time.
It is possible that this is allreal.
It is possible, but there issome hilarious things about it.
The rainbow bathtub.
Yeah.
That doesn't line up withanything that we've seen or
heard of.
SPEAKER_00 (25:28):
It does in a way, because I mean a bathtub, if you
think, or like a wash basin,which is what they described it
as.
When you're describing somethingthat is outside of like your
realm of understanding, you'regoing to use terms that you're
familiar with.
And so like a wash basin, likemaybe the tic-tac.
Rainbows, tic-tac, or whatever.
You're going to use a shape or aterm that you're familiar with.
SPEAKER_01 (25:49):
Yeah, and if they are in the backwoods, they don't
leave very often.
One of the bigger things theyown is probably a wash tab.
And that was probably the shape.
SPEAKER_00 (25:58):
Yeah.
Just like a cylinder, right?
SPEAKER_01 (26:01):
Yeah.
I would say, I mean, there's notproof.
I highly lean on what theprivate investigators were
saying, where these people weretruly terrified.
They all stuck to their stories.
SPEAKER_00 (26:12):
Well, they weren't private investigators.
It was the police department.
And then there was like NationalGuard or whatever that was
stationed there.
SPEAKER_01 (26:18):
Well, later, like after Project Bluebeck came and
they just said it was a hoax.
SPEAKER_00 (26:23):
Oh, you're talking about like the aficionados of
the story that went and didtheir own little research.
SPEAKER_01 (26:28):
Right.
When they say, you know, thefear is real, which I don't
doubt.
And then that there wasn't fame.
And that's a lot of thesepeople, like they're not looking
for fame.
And actually the fame has hurtthem.
SPEAKER_00 (26:38):
Yes, they were.
They were selling tickets totheir property.
SPEAKER_01 (26:41):
Eventually, because it's like I mean eventually,
like pretty quick.
Eventually they moved out.
Not right away, but I mean Iwould.
My daughter wrote a book.
I mean, if there was just a shitton of people coming to my
house, I'd be like, I need tofigure out how to make some
money off of this, especially ifthey're destroying the land.
They need to keep the placelooking good.
Most people have that mindsetthough.
When I tell people I have apodcast, people are like, Yeah,
(27:03):
do you make money?
That's the first thing they ask.
Yes, tons.
unknown (27:06):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (27:07):
All the money is.
Yeah.
No, we make nothing.
This is for fun.
Yeah.
And knowledge.
But I mean, that's a commonthing where a lot of people
stop.
They don't want to talk about itanymore just because they get
made fun of, they get ridiculed.
And that is a lot of evidence tome.
It's not physical evidence, butit is.
I mean, when you think aboutpsychology, it that would make
(27:29):
sense.
If someone is ashamed orembarrassed or trying to hide it
or doesn't want to talk about itanymore, then that kind of shows
that there may have been alittle bit of truth to what they
saw.
It may have been like you'vementioned in the past, the
perfect storm of fear and owls.
SPEAKER_00 (27:49):
That's the thing though.
They're talking about beingembarrassed.
Are they embarrassed because ofwhat they saw, or are they
embarrassed because the thingthey saw wasn't actually that
threatening?
And they had like a very extremereaction to it.
And now they're just like, ohshit, we made a terrible mistake
by involving all these people,and now people are coming out
who are gonna try and chargethem to kind of lessen the
(28:10):
feeling of shame that I haveabout this thing that I reacted
so extremely to, and theneventually they're just like,
This is too much, I can't Ican't deal with this, we gotta
get out of here.
SPEAKER_01 (28:18):
Yeah, and that's possibility too.
The bad part is if this wastruly aliens, what if they
fucked it all up?
What if this was like, hey, wewanna let all you humans into
our Federation, and there'slike, get the fuck away.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (28:33):
But it's also weird.
Okay, so imagine you are analien.
You're tootin' around ouratmosphere and you're looking
for a place to land.
You land here and you just startharassing this family.
It seems or why does it alwaysseem like it's always in the
backwoods and there are alwaysextreme reactions to this?
Like either you're blastingsomebody or someone's finger
(28:54):
blasting you to bring back whatwe talked about at the top of
the episode.
SPEAKER_01 (28:59):
There have been really huge sightings that were
not in backwoods that we haven'ttalked about.
SPEAKER_00 (29:05):
Right.
I mean, we've talked about somemilitary sightings, right?
And we'll we will continue totalk about that.
But a lot of these, especiallythese early responses, the ones
that are the most popular arethe ones that come from these
very remote, very rural areas.
SPEAKER_01 (29:20):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (29:21):
Same with I mean, and that was encrypted.
That was the joke with RandyQuaid's character in
Independence Day, living out ofa trailer out in the desert or
whatever.
SPEAKER_01 (29:30):
Yeah.
Like I've said before, I don'twant to speak for the aliens.
I don't know.
I mean, this whole alien thingis we just don't know what they
are, who they are, what theywant.
If we had those answers, wemight be able to answer some of
these questions.
And some of it could not bereal, you know.
I mean, there are a lot ofpeople out there looking for
fame, but I also think thatthere's a lot that aren't.
(29:50):
I know personally people haveseen very strange things and
they don't talk about it justbecause it's first of all scary,
and then they don't want to be.
Judged.
Yeah.
Maybe some people don't thinkabout that.
SPEAKER_00 (30:03):
I think that's too bad.
I think we need to do better ashumans.
If people are so afraid becausethey don't want to be judged, I
think that that's uh that speaksmore of like how we treat each
other on a human-to-human level.
SPEAKER_01 (30:14):
Oh yeah.
And that's the whole thing.
I mean, which I think is greatabout us doing this show.
I didn't think about it untiljust recently that we are
helping that open dialogue andthat discussion because there's
still a lot of people that don'ttalk about it, and we are going
out and talking to people aboutit all the time now.
Even that's going to desensitizethe stigma just a little bit.
(30:34):
I think that's most importantand maybe treat people better.
Better.
Yeah.
I mean, that goes in everyaspect of be kind.
SPEAKER_00 (30:41):
I mean, these people have experienced something
traumatic.
This was probably very close tothe worst day of their life, and
just be kind about it.
They just experienced somethingthat has obviously changed them.
Yeah.
But it could have been like themost horrible experience they've
ever had.
And I don't think we need todiscredit that experience.
Right.
And it something happened.
Yeah, it's so easy to be kind.
(31:02):
You know, don't no, it's hard tobe kind.
It's so easy to be cruel.
SPEAKER_01 (31:06):
Well, it's not like you have to become this person's
best friend and investigate withthem and do all this.
Just be like, oh, wow, thank,thanks for sharing.
That's crazy.
And then move on with your life.
You don't have to make fun ofthem or call them liars or
crazy.
SPEAKER_00 (31:20):
That's that's the easy thing to do.
It is a lot harder to be kind.
SPEAKER_01 (31:23):
For some people, for sure.
SPEAKER_00 (31:25):
Sure.
SPEAKER_01 (31:25):
Well, for me, this story, it is a story.
There is not a ton of evidence.
I think this is just a straightmaybe right down the middle for
me.
Like I've said in the past, someof my views and opinions have
changed as I've learned moreabout those topics.
But this right now, for what Iknow, is just a maybe.
(31:46):
Maybe if I read some of thesebooks, maybe that can change.
But yeah, there's just not a lotof evidence.
It's one of those things itcould or could not be.
I would say 55%.
I want to 55%.
I want to be more on the aliensyes side than Classic Josh.
SPEAKER_00 (32:04):
Lower on the no side.
Okay, this is a low no for me.
This is like I'm pretty firmlyin the no aliens.
This is not an alien encounter.
Just based on the story we readtoday.
Okay.
I think something happened.
But I don't I don't I am notruling out You think it was
bulletproof owls.
I no, I don't think they sawanything.
(32:25):
I think that it was just themhaving like a wild night of just
wanting to shoot something,maybe and I'm pretty sure that
alcohol was involved.
SPEAKER_01 (32:33):
Yeah, I I think most experiences and most of the day
alcohol is involved in a lot ofthose areas.
SPEAKER_00 (32:39):
And it was probably moonshine.
There are some hallucinogeniceffects to moonshine.
I just I just don't believe it.
But the police also said thatthese weren't wild-eyed drunk.
No, they said that Glenny wasn'ta wild-eyed drunk.
She was the one that wasrecounting the experience.
Everybody else was in a highlyagitated state.
SPEAKER_01 (32:57):
Yeah, it could be.
SPEAKER_00 (32:58):
And if you've got all that adrenaline pumping
through, it's gonna be harder toread what is drunk and what's
just like coursing adrenaline.
SPEAKER_01 (33:05):
So aliens, yes, maybe no, you're a no.
SPEAKER_00 (33:07):
I'm a no.
SPEAKER_01 (33:08):
A low no, and I'm a mid maybe.
Okay, good.
SPEAKER_00 (33:11):
I'll take that.
That's exciting.
SPEAKER_01 (33:12):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (33:13):
Okay.
I want to believe.
Yeah, I want to believe too.
Yeah.
But this hasn't moved the needlefor me.
SPEAKER_01 (33:17):
Well, I want to know what you guys think.
If you're listening on YouTubeor Spotify, leave some comments.
Give us a follow so you knowwhen we get new episodes.
Give us thumbs up so that weknow you're liking it.
Yeah, we have fan mail in ourepisode description.
You can just click on that andit'll just go to a place where
you can just basically text uson your phone and we'll get
(33:39):
that, and maybe we will reply toyou on the podcast.
We can't text you back, but wecan definitely do a shout-out or
something like that.
Yeah.
Glad you guys are stilllistening, or this is your first
one.
I hope you enjoyed it.
What a good time.
Yeah, what a good time for youto jump right in.
Halloween.
Ooh.
And that's gonna lead us to ourbaseline quiz for the next
(34:01):
episode.
Are you gonna do your littlespit loop?
SPEAKER_00 (34:06):
Are you ready?
No.
All right.
So without further ado.
Oh my gosh.
Oh no.
SPEAKER_01 (34:17):
This next episode that we're gonna talk about,
we're just finding out, is aboutUFO Colts.
SPEAKER_00 (34:24):
Gonna be a totally normal, chill, cool episode next
time.
Oh man.
I mean, just the word cult has apretty negative.
They've got what's the guy'sname?
The um Hillbop comic guy.
Do you remember that?
No.
Hillbop?
Hillbop.
There was an asteroid that camereally close to Earth.
There was a group of people thatbelieved there was a spaceship
(34:48):
behind this asteroid.
They were all planning ongetting aboard this spaceship,
but the way to do it was you hadto shake off this moral coil and
drink Kool-Aid.
They all had the exact same pairof like Nikes on.
Whoa.
They all laid out they were inall white.
We'll probably talk about it.
SPEAKER_01 (35:07):
Okay.
This is what we're going to talkabout next week.
So let's just start with thesequestions.
Which of these was not a corebelief or claim from UFO
religions?
A.
Spacecraft shaped like cigarscarrying scout patrol ships.
B, the star of Bethlehem was analien vessel.
C, souls are hardware-likedeposits containing cosmic info.
(35:28):
Or D, Jesus was geneticallyengineered by the Greys.
Okay.
So which of these was not a corebelief or claim from UFO
religion?
SPEAKER_00 (35:36):
Not.
SPEAKER_01 (35:37):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (35:37):
Uh okay, so spaceship shape like cigars or
carrying scout patrol ships.
That is my answer.
Okay.
Because that just deals with theshape of the ship.
And I think all these otherthings, like Star of Bethlehem
was an alien vessel, thattotally seems like for me.
Uh souls are hardware-likedeposits containing cosmic info.
(35:58):
That lines up with what I wastalking about with the Heaven's
Gate cult.
That happened in our lifetime,Josh.
That's wild.
It's wild.
Once you start describing it, Iremember hearing about it.
So they thought they couldtransfer their consciousness, I
believe, to this alien ship andthey were gonna go and live.
Maybe they did.
Sure.
Maybe they I mean, we don'tknow.
Death is the big unknown, man.
You really know what happensafter death.
(36:19):
Maybe you can manifest.
You're saying spacecraft shapelike cigars.
Yep, just because it's justdealing with the shape of the
ship, and I don't think thatreally factors into their
religion at all.
SPEAKER_01 (36:28):
Yeah, I was leaning towards that as well, just
because that seems likesomething they necessarily
probably wouldn't focus on.
So I'm gonna say that as well.
Yeah.
So we both say A.
Okay, next one.
Which UFO religion famously diedby mass suicide in 1997?
Boom.
Got it.
A, the Ethereum Society, B, theOrder of the Solar Temple, C,
(36:50):
Heaven's Gate, or D, Raelism.
SPEAKER_00 (36:53):
That's what you like.
You're always talking aboutgetting railed.
Okay.
Is that isn't doesn't thatrelate to the podcast?
Is there another definition thatI don't know?
Uh yeah, I think this is a areligion.
Uh, sure.
Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_01 (37:06):
Uh, I think that these are all really good band
names.
SPEAKER_00 (37:11):
They seem like very Christian band names.
SPEAKER_01 (37:13):
Heaven's Gate, the Order of the Solar Temple.
SPEAKER_00 (37:16):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (37:16):
Aethereus Society.
Yeah, I could see that.
Okay.
I have no idea.
Do you know?
I was in high school when thishappened.
I'm gonna do the AethereusSociety.
Okay.
Just wild guess.
Uh-huh.
What are you saying?
Heaven's Gate.
Okay.
Oh, dang it.
Next question.
In Heaven's Gate teachings, whatwas the purpose of the human
body?
(37:37):
A a vessel to carry out alienmissions.
B a plant or vehicle temporarilyinhabited by a soul.
C, an experiment created byreptilians, or D, a sacred
temple for the soul.
SPEAKER_00 (37:50):
Okay.
I don't know what the answer is.
I have a couple of guesses.
I'm going to rule out experimentcreated by reptilians and a
sacred temple for the soul,because that seems to fall in
line with like a lot ofreligions, right?
Like that's just what we oftensay, you know, I'm going to
shake off this mortal coil.
SPEAKER_01 (38:09):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (38:09):
It's temporary.
It's temporary, yep.
So to be more specific, I thinkit's got to be either a vessel
to carry out alien missions or aplant or vehicle temporarily
inhabited by a soul.
But I'm going to say a vessel tocarry out alien missions.
SPEAKER_01 (38:23):
Okay.
I'm thinking a plant or vehicletemporarily inhabited by a soul.
Kind of like the Scientology oris that the first time we've
invoked Scientology?
SPEAKER_00 (38:32):
Um I think we talked about El Ron Hubbard earlier in
one of our earlier apps.
Yeah, I just know people can getin big doo-doo when they speak
about Do you know everyScientology temple has a
recreation of L.
Ron Hubbard's office where heused to write sci-fi?
Every single one.
Like Severance.
Like Severance.
Only like all of theirbuildings.
(38:53):
Wow.
We visited one in Portland.
SPEAKER_01 (38:56):
Really?
SPEAKER_00 (38:56):
Mm-hmm.
It was wild.
Instantly walked out because wewere nervous.
We've heard stories of I don'tknow if they're missionaries,
but like people being followed.
Yeah.
Just for showing interest in itbecause they want to control the
narrative.
SPEAKER_01 (39:08):
It's real and scary.
Okay, next one.
Which UFO group believes humanswere created by
extraterrestrials called theElohim?
Raelism, Scientology, Heaven'sGate, the Seekers.
SPEAKER_00 (39:24):
I don't know much about Scientology, but I do feel
like that falls in line withtheir beliefs.
SPEAKER_01 (39:30):
I am gonna say the seekers.
I don't know.
This is just a guess.
Okay.
I don't think Scientology reallyhas anything to do with
Christianity or Well, it'sJudaism.
That's Hebrew.
SPEAKER_00 (39:42):
Yeah, I mean, any of the The big three Christianity,
Islam, Judaism.
He's a science fiction writerwho based all of his teachings
on other teachings.
SPEAKER_01 (39:53):
Just the seekers sound similar to Christian
religions.
SPEAKER_00 (39:56):
Seekers sounds like a group.
Like if you were to say, like,yeah, I'm part of this church,
and you're like, oh, cool.
What what is it?
Are you like a Mormon?
Are you Scientologists?
And they're like, nope, we'rethe seekers.
I would instantly be like, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (40:08):
Seekers are also very scary monsters.
Is this guy where Harry Potterwas?
He was a seeker.
SPEAKER_00 (40:15):
Yeah, isn't that what it's called?
Where you're looking for the thegibbet?
Whatever that's the gibblets.
Yeah.
Alright, let's let's move on.
Okay, so I said Scientology, yousaid the seekers.
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (40:25):
Okay.
Next one.
What term did Heaven's Gate useto describe the higher spiritual
dimension they aim to reach?
So A, the Galactic Federation.
Holy shit.
B planet colob.
That's the one I'm holy shittingright now.
C, the fifth density, uh-huh.
SPEAKER_00 (40:40):
Or D, the level above human.
So planet coob is actuallysomething that Mormons believe
in.
Really?
Yes.
It's wild.
Okay.
They have a hymn called If YouCould Hide a Co-op.
It's like the planet that Godlives on.
Whoa.
That's like deep Mormondoctrine.
I've never heard that.
It's wild.
And they believe that when youdie, after, you know, whatever,
(41:01):
you can become a god in your ownright.
So you would have control overyour own little your own little
world.
Wow.
Okay.
Hey, Mormons, hit me up in thecomments.
Tell me I'm wrong.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (41:13):
Do it.
I mean, Heaven's Gate, if it iskind of like a sect off of the
Mormon, because I've heard thereare lots of subcultures inside
of the Mormon religion.
Galactic Federation, that justseems Star Wars.
Yeah.
Fifth density sounds right tome.
The level above human, that'sjust describing that's what I
(41:33):
think it is.
You think that's what it is?
SPEAKER_00 (41:35):
That's what I think it is.
So I'm gonna say the fifthdensity.
I'm probably wrong, but I'm justI think that's what it is.
SPEAKER_01 (41:41):
Okay, next one.
Which religion do some scholarsclassify as a UFO religion due
to its space opera elements andxeno cosmogony?
SPEAKER_00 (41:50):
Okay, I know what the answer is.
SPEAKER_01 (41:52):
Is it a Urantia?
Urantia?
SPEAKER_00 (41:55):
Urantia?
I don't know.
U-R-A-N-T-I-A for you guyslistening.
SPEAKER_01 (42:00):
We'll figure that out maybe in the next episode.
Is it B Scientology, C, theSeekers, or D, Church Universal,
and Triumphant?
Wow.
Space opera elements.
Uh Scientology.
Oh, really?
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
That was my answer too, becauseyou said it.
SPEAKER_00 (42:19):
Oh, Josh, you're falling right into my trap to
get everything wrong.
Oh, perfect.
I don't know what Xenocosmogony.
Xenu is a term I've heard inreference to Scientology.
I don't know much about Xenu.
I don't know.
I'm not even going to try todefine it.
SPEAKER_01 (42:34):
So, next question: What controversial scientific
initiative is associated withRaelism?
Is it A human cloning throughclonade?
B time travel experiments.
C artificial intelligence tosummon aliens.
Or D genetic splicing betweenhumans and dolphins?
These answers.
(42:55):
They're all bonkers.
SPEAKER_00 (42:58):
Humans and dolphins?
That's that's like some bodyhorror David Cronenberg type
shit.
That's like what you see in likebizarro Japanese horror movies.
SPEAKER_01 (43:08):
I have a feeling maybe I have heard of this.
Religion.
Realism, yeah.
This is the one you're alwaystalking about.
No, that's a different thing,personal thing.
I can't believe you brought itup on the show.
I think it's artificialintelligence to summon aliens.
SPEAKER_00 (43:24):
Okay, I'm gonna say time travel experiments just
because I really like the ideaof time travel.
SPEAKER_01 (43:29):
I do too.
SPEAKER_00 (43:30):
It's my favorite.
SPEAKER_01 (43:31):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (43:31):
Love it.
SPEAKER_01 (43:32):
All right.
Last question.
What message did many UFOreligions convey about Earth's
fate?
A, it will be absorbed into ablack hole.
B, it is secretly flat andhollow.
Uh-oh.
C, it is about to be recycled ordestroyed.
Or D, it is the finalbattleground between AI and
humans.
(43:52):
Well, all these are creepy.
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_00 (43:56):
Okay.
So I think it's about to berecycled and destroyed.
I think that's why Heaven's Gatewas trying to leave because they
thought Earth was meant fordestruction.
That is the main idea behind theHitchhiker's Guide to the
Galaxy, is they're destroyingEarth to create like an
interplanetary highway, right?
So I think that there is sometruth in that.
I don't believe it's abattleground for AI.
(44:18):
Um, and the reason I'm sayingthat is because like how long
has AI been around andconsidered like a real threat?
Absorbed into a black hole.
That could line up though withrecycled or destroyed.
SPEAKER_01 (44:30):
And black holes are showing up more and more often.
So billions of years, everythingwill be swallowed up by a black
hole, potentially.
Sure.
I think I'm gonna say absorbedby a black hole.
Okay.
Daring, Josh.
So I'm gonna submit.
We'll check our answers, viewour accuracy.
Oh boy.
SPEAKER_00 (44:49):
Oh boy, you did fall right into my trap.
Kind of.
SPEAKER_01 (44:52):
Yeah, I didn't get many right.
SPEAKER_00 (44:54):
So the ones I got right are wild.
SPEAKER_01 (44:58):
Which of these was not a core belief or claim from
UFO religions?
I said spacecraft shaped likecigars, you did too.
They do not believe Jesus wasgenetically engineered by the
Greys.
SPEAKER_00 (45:08):
That is wild.
I thought I'd read something.
SPEAKER_01 (45:10):
Jordan does a great job with quizzes work.
Yeah.
Next one.
Which UFO religion famously diedby the mass suicide?
Heaven's Gate.
I said authorius society.
So you got that right.
I'm negative two.
Okay.
Heaven's Gate teachings.
What was the purpose of thehuman body?
SPEAKER_00 (45:29):
I said a vessel to carry out alien missions.
SPEAKER_01 (45:31):
Yeah.
And I said a plant or vehicletemporarily inhabited by a soul.
And that was correct.
SPEAKER_02 (45:36):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (45:36):
Okay.
Next one, which UFO groupbelieves humans were created by
extraterrestrials called theElohim?
I said the seekers.
You should have taken my prompt.
I know.
It was This was realism.
Yeah.
What did you say?
I said Scientology.
Okay.
It was realism.
Next one, what term did Heaven'sGate use to describe the higher
spiritual dimension they aim toreach?
SPEAKER_00 (45:58):
It is the level above human.
Yeah, so dumb.
That's what I picked.
SPEAKER_01 (46:02):
That is dumb.
SPEAKER_00 (46:03):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (46:03):
I said the fifth density.
SPEAKER_00 (46:05):
So it just lacks any sort of like creativity or
flourish, you know.
They're literally describing.
They're just like the levelabove and what's beyond that?
I don't know, two levels abovehuman, or the level beyond
whatever we decide the levelabove human is.
Yeah, I'm just starting areligion, man.
Just get back to me with thedetails.
I'll figure it out.
But here's some Kool-Aid.
Why don't you drink that?
SPEAKER_01 (46:24):
Yeah.
All right.
Next one.
Which religion do some scholarsclassify as a UFO religion due
to its space opera elements ofxeno cosmogony?
And we both said Scientology.
That is correct.
Correct.
Uh next one, what controversialscientific initiative is
associated with realism?
I said AI to summon aliens.
That's not correct.
(46:44):
You said time travel.
The answer is human cloningthrough clonade.
Which is w wild.
SPEAKER_00 (46:50):
What is clonade?
It's what you put in your buttright before you get a
colonoscopy.
SPEAKER_01 (46:55):
I don't think that's correct.
Colonade.
Colon aid.
No, this is clonade.
Oh, I misread it.
Oh.
Moving on.
Okay, last one.
What message did many UFOreligions convey about Earth's
fate?
Ooh yeah.
I said it will be absorbed intoa black hole.
The correct answer is it isabout to be recycled.
SPEAKER_00 (47:15):
Oh is this the best I've ever done on a quiz?
I think so.
I got two correct.
And I got 50%.
Best I've ever done.
SPEAKER_01 (47:24):
I got 25%.
Oh boy, you dummy.
I know.
So that's what we're gonna talkabout next week.
I think it's gonna befascinating.
Yeah.
I think I can get through itjust because I don't have to
join.
Like, but just I mean, justcolts, they're icky.
SPEAKER_00 (47:39):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (47:40):
Well, cool.
Well, thanks for listening.
Tune in to the next episode whenthat drops.
Like we said before, follow usso you get notifications or it
can auto-download just so youhave it ready.
Let us know what you think.
Give us potential topics to talkabout.
All right.
Until next time.
Bye.
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