The Skinwalker Ranch Mystery: UFOs, Portals, and High Strangeness

In this episode, we discuss Utah’s Uinta Basin, particularly Skinwalker Ranch—where indigenous warnings, rancher reports, and modern sensors collide in a 512-acre tangle of orbs, voids, and hypotheses.

We start with the foundation: Ute land, Navajo Skinwalker lore, and a mesa crowned by a stone circle that some say marks a door. From late-1800s thunder-without-storms to mid-century sightings of silent, directional lights, the basin built a reputation well before it had a brand. Then come the Shermans: a massive “wolf” that ignores close-range gunfire, blue spheres that terrify their dogs, a night of yelps ending in scorched patches, and cattle mutilations marked by clean incisions and a baffling absence of scavengers. Inside the homestead, groceries repack themselves and tools move like they have a sense of humor.

Research ramps up when Robert Bigelow buys the ranch and staffs it with scientists under NIDS, later drawing quiet Pentagon money via AAWSAP. They log radiation spikes, dead batteries, wiped drives, and a night-vision glimpse of something crawling from a glowing aperture. The phenomenon seems responsive, even evasive, as if determined to fail every clean experiment. Years later, new owner Brandon Fugal outfits the property with rockets, LIDAR, spectrum analyzers, and radar. His team maps an airspace “triangle” that scrambles launches, detects a persistent 1.6 GHz signal rising from the ground, and records a LIDAR data void—like an invisible object blocking light. Drilling meets impenetrable material and unusual metals beneath the mesa; a drum ceremony ignites a localized heat spike that disappears when the beat stops; an unmarked helicopter violates airspace norms and vanishes without answers.

So what is it? A portal. A trickster. Geology. Black-budget tech. Or a coincidence factory powered by our attention. We lay out the strongest evidence, the best skeptical counterpoints, and where our own scales land on aliens, poltergeists, and the beauty and pain inside the skinwalker story. Hit play, decide what holds up, and tell us the theory we missed.

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Episode Transcript

Travis (00:03):
Aliens.
Aliens.
Aliens.
Yes.
But maybe no.
Hey! Welcome back to the show.

(00:23):
This is Aliens Yes, but maybeno with Josh and Travis.
I'm Travis.
I'm Josh.
This is an otherworldly podcastas ambiguous as our title.

Josh (00:32):
That was great.

Travis (00:33):
Right?
I never know when to jump in.
So we play the music.
I'm sure Josh puts it in postintro, but when it starts to
slowly fade out, I never knowwhat my cue is to start talking.

Josh (00:44):
Yeah, I have it all timed up.

Travis (00:46):
Perfect.

Josh (00:46):
So what did we talk about last week?
Last week we talked about closeencounters.
It was just a knowledge-basedepisode.
I mean, we couldn't debate.
That's right.
It was just what it is.
We were just learning becausesome of the episodes, which I
don't know what they are, butsome of the episodes coming
forward, we need to have alittle bit more knowledge.
I remember now.

(01:08):
Yeah.
And there's some spooky stuff.
We had a letter that we had toopen mid-record.

Travis (01:12):
We don't have anything like that this week, do we?
No.

Josh (01:15):
Nope.

Travis (01:16):
Thank God.

Josh (01:17):
I enjoyed that.

Travis (01:17):
That was a good episode.
Yeah, it was good.
Nice and easy.

Josh (01:20):
Yeah.
But this one's going to getrough.

Travis (01:22):
Terrified of this one.
So before we get started onthis, we have a few housekeeping
notes, right?
We wanted to talk about.

Josh (01:27):
Yeah, we finally hit 1,000 downloads, which doesn't mean
much right now.
It means the world to me.
Well, it does.
I mean, it means a lot.
Uh-huh.
But when it comes to when youguys are hearing this episode,
it's going to be a lot more.

Travis (01:42):
Maybe.
Maybe we've had a peak.
Who knows?
As of the time of this record,as we're celebrating a thousand
downloads, to give you context.
So these episodes get releaseda little later than we record
them.
A lot later.
So this might be six months.
So there might be a lot ofinformation that comes out
between now and when this airs.
Correct.
So at the time of this record,to give you guys some cultural

(02:04):
context, we have just elected anew Pope.
Yep.
First American Pope, Pope Leofrom Chicago.

Josh (02:11):
Yeah.

Travis (02:11):
I don't know what his pre-Pope name is, I forgot, but
he's going to be Pope Leo.
Kind of cool.

Josh (02:15):
Yeah.
We just want to let you guysknow that we are a little bit
you hear this in September.

Travis (02:19):
You're going to be like, what?
Another new Pope?
Nope.
Same old Pope.
Hopefully he's like 69.
Uh nice.

Josh (02:25):
I think this might come out in like October, November.

Travis (02:28):
Yeah.
Oh.

Josh (02:30):
I think we're pretty far out.
So we've recorded a lot ofepisodes.
Far out, man.
Yeah.
We didn't want to stress.
We've just been recording for along time, and we have a lot of
content already recorded.
Sure.
Which is great.
This is the only housekeepingannouncement, right?

Travis (02:45):
It's not even housekeeping.
It's just well, this ishousekeeping.
This is just like what you youwould call housekeeping.
Just like we're keepingeverybody involved in what's
going on in the keep of ourhouse.

Josh (02:53):
A family meeting.

Travis (02:54):
Yeah, exactly.

Josh (02:55):
Yeah.
Okay.

Travis (02:56):
In front of me and you and a thousand of our close
personal friends.
So thank you for listening.
Thanks for the downloads.
Keep it up.
This is very exciting.
Yeah.
We've been doing this for ayear now, a little over a year.
Yeah.
We should be celebrating thattoo.
That's true.
Where's that bubbly?

Josh (03:13):
I probably drank it while watching Ancient Aliens.
Why do you think I believe somuch?

Travis (03:19):
It's I don't know.
To fill that empty void in yourheart.

Josh (03:22):
This week we are doing a very famous topic.
Yeah.
Probably one of the most famouslocations.

Travis (03:29):
So let's talk a little bit about this.
So today we're going to betalking about the Skinwalker
Ranch.

Speaker (03:33):
Mm-hmm.

Travis (03:34):
What do you know?
Just before we even get intoour hot DOS, what do you know
about Skinwalker Ranch?
Or maybe I'll start becausemine is very young.
So Skinwalker Ranch for memeans Sam and Kobe explore the
paranormal.

Josh (03:49):
Who's Sam and Kobe?

Travis (03:50):
I have no idea.
They're YouTubers.
Okay.
That my youngest was, Iwouldn't say obsessed, but was
very fond of and would watchthese YouTubers she thinks are
very funny.
Okay.
They're just two young kidsthat explore paranormal events
or places.
Anyway, they went to SkinwalkerRanch.
They were like, we areapproaching this with reverence,

(04:13):
and they even did like a littlemeditation before, and then
just like fucked the place up,shot rockets off, cut themselves
and bled on a rock, and justdid like the most annoying,
disrespectful kind of what you'dexpect YouTubers to do to get
eyeballs to their content.

Josh (04:28):
Yeah.

Travis (04:29):
Because that's what I feel like that is.
It's just filling up thevastness of YouTube.
This was something you watched?
Yeah, it was a theatricalrelease.
We saw it in theaters.
Whoa.
So Sam and Kobe got our money.
That's weird.
I didn't know YouTubers didstuff in the theaters.
I don't know how often thishappens, but it was like a
feature-length documentary thatthey probably couldn't get
people to watch on YouTubebecause like YouTube attention

(04:51):
spans about 15 minutes, I think,at the max.
Wow.
I mean, we tried to watchSkinwalker Ranch documentary
that was 59 minutes, and wefucking noped out about 36
minutes into it and sort of fastforwarding to see how much is
left of this thing.
Yeah.
So you don't know much?
No, I don't know anything.
And I'm probably throughosmosis have picked up a couple

(05:12):
things that we might find outthroughout the course of this
record.

Josh (05:15):
But up to us watching this video and some of the videos
that we watch, Union.
Next to nothing.

Travis (05:21):
I'd seen like these AI videos of skin walkers and it
looks terrifying.
Like these four-legged humanoidbeings that just can't
shapeshifters.
They just look like skin sacks.
They look like big gaunt, kindof like the pale man from Pan's
Labyrinth.

Speaker (05:37):
Yeah.

Travis (05:37):
Walking around on all fours just looking creepy with
their heads all the way back,and then there's farmers that
are like freaking out.
And so that is my exposure tothe skinwalker rant.

Josh (05:47):
Yeah, for me.

Travis (05:48):
I imagine yours goes deep.

Josh (05:50):
Yeah, I've done research a little bit, like freelance
research through the years.
I've watched the TV show.
You did it freelance?
Freelance.
No one paid me.

Travis (05:58):
Well, that's not freelance work.
Freelance is like where you getpaid for.

Josh (06:01):
Oh, then I got paid.

Travis (06:02):
Okay.

Josh (06:03):
With knowledge.

Travis (06:04):
Uh-huh.
Oh, there you go.

Josh (06:05):
Okay.
Yeah.
And I've watched the TV show.
That's what initially got meinto investigating a little bit
further, just because it'sfascinating.
And the TV show makes it reallyexciting.
And that's kind of what I knowabout it.
The TV show goes through allthe history, they go through all
the lore.
They go through all the many,many different things that
happen there.
Yeah.
So I have a pretty good roundedknowledge of Skinwalker.

(06:29):
Yeah.

Travis (06:30):
I am particularly interested in lore.
I think that's it aligns verymuch with what I was interested
in, especially as a youngperson.
A youth.
Yeah.
And I don't know if this iscommon for a lot of people out
here in the West, but I had anindigenous phase where I was
very interested in like theindigenous people that were here
before us.
I had that phase.

(06:51):
So that's what I'm saying.
Is like maybe that was a commonthing for people here in the
West because that was we'restill we're talking like late
1800s when they were forced fromtheir land.

Josh (07:01):
Yeah.

Travis (07:01):
Like we were talking before off mic about Chief
Joseph, and he was one of thelast holdouts.
They were slowly taking awayland from the Nesperse, and they
tried to flee to Canada andwere stopped at the border.

Josh (07:13):
Wow.
So let's dive into this.

Travis (07:14):
Okay.
Let's get into some hot DOS.

Josh (07:16):
All right.
So there's a stretch of desertin northeastern Utah that defies
explanation.
Sitting on approximately 512acres is a property that has
become a famous hotspot ofparanormal activity.
A place where glowing orbsdrift silently across the sky
and shadowy monsters lurk.
Where animals vanish or arefound mutilated, where

(07:38):
technology fails, time bends,and people witness things they
can't comprehend.
For generations, locals havepassed down the centuries-old
story of the cursed land andwarned against ever going there.
And in more recent years, it'sattracted the attention of
paranormal investigators,scientists, UFO researchers, and
even the U.S.
government.
So this is our deep dive intoSkinwalker Ranch.

(08:01):
I would say deep dive veryloosely.
You don't like that word atall.

Travis (08:05):
No, I never go deep.

Josh (08:07):
You don't like content, you don't like deep dives.

Travis (08:09):
Well, I mean, to say that this is a deep dive is I
think very specific to ourpodcast because I don't think we
go deep.

Josh (08:16):
No.

Travis (08:17):
Surface level for us.

Josh (08:18):
Yeah.
Just the tip.

Travis (08:19):
Yes.
Exactly.
Just the tip.
Yeah.
It was yes, but maybe no.
Just the tip.

Josh (08:25):
So you were talking about indigenous lore.
This is all indigenous land.
It sits on land traditionallyinhabited by the Ute tribe.
And for generations there werestories about the strange things
that happened around this mesa.
It's a massive sandstone ridgeoverlooking the Skinwalker
Ranch.
And there's a lot of belieftied to the Navajo concept of

(08:46):
the skinwalker.
So a skinwalker sounds like acryptid similar to the
chupacabra or the bigfoot, butit's much, much different.
In traditional lore, skinwalkeris a person who's deliberately
chosen to do evil, to use blackmagic, often involving death or
desecration, in exchange for thepower to transform into
animals, move undetected, andcause harm.

Travis (09:06):
Yeah.

Josh (09:07):
Which you were saying, you love that idea.

Travis (09:08):
I actually really do.
That's this like a fantasyconcept, which is probably taken
from indigenous cultures andlike a lot of fantasy books.
There is a creature that iseither left behind and is cursed
with an evil to protect thatland.
And so the reason you want thisperson to go this dark is
because they will protect thisland at all costs.

(09:29):
They don't have that annoyinglittle part of your conscience
that says, maybe this isn'tright, this isn't good.
It's a very cutthroat and youwould say evil.
It's like you're all in.
You're all in, you're going todo whatever it takes to keep
people from desecrating orinhabiting this area.
Yeah, it's a huge sacrifice.
It's a huge sacrifice, and youusually pick one of the
strongest members of your tribeor your group.

(09:52):
I mean, sometimes they're likea holy person and then they take
on it's basically like asacrifice.
Yeah.
You're sacrificing yourself tobecome this unholy thing.
Yeah.
So I love that as a concept.
I like the idea of that.
It's very interesting to me.
Absolutely.
Evil for the greater good, Iguess you might say.

Josh (10:10):
Yeah, there's a silver lining with it where it's dark,
but it's also beautiful andheroic.
Heartbreaking too.
Yeah.

Travis (10:17):
It's important to approach this whole topic with
respect because it is a veryreal thing for And then this is
where, just like Sam and Kobe,we start eating our own farts,
right after saying somethinglike that.

Josh (10:30):
No, no, no.
I just the Navajo don'ttypically talk about skinwalkers
openly.
They take it very seriously,and they especially don't talk
about it with outsiders.
So these stories, they aren'tjust ghost stories.

Travis (10:42):
But if they don't, how do we know about it?
There had to have been a leak.

Josh (10:45):
They don't typically.

Travis (10:46):
Because it's a holy pyre thing.
That's why Mormons don't talkabout their special underwear.
But we all know that it existsand they wear it.

Josh (10:52):
Yeah.
These stories that they tellwhen they do tell it, it's more
of a warning and markers of realfear and cultural history for
the tribe.
So this is kind of how thelegend and the lore or these
warnings happened.
This is the story.
Over time, tensions between theNavajo and the Ute tribes,
particularly during forcedrelocations in the 1800s, led to

(11:14):
stories that the Navajo mayhave cursed the land in
retaliation.
Whether that's literally trueor more of a way to explain the
continued strangers is hard tosay.
But one of the most interestingparts of the lore is a stone
circle that sits on top of themesa, kind of a spiral thing,
built according to some accountshundreds of years ago.
Some say it represents a kindof portal, not just

(11:36):
metaphorically, but literally adoorway to something else,
another dimension or anotherreality.
Okay.
And that idea of the landbehaving differently isn't
limited to just indigenousstories.
It becomes a theme that repeatsover and over and over as we
move forward in time.

Travis (11:52):
Okay.
Yeah.
We're just going to get into alittle bit of some of the
history, and this is going tocover a broad span of time.
So from the late 1880s to the1950s.
Settlers moved west into thelate 1800s.
The land round will becomeSkinwalker Ranch.
This is before it was calledSkinwalker Ranch.

Josh (12:07):
Yeah.

Travis (12:08):
Was divided, fenced off, and claimed.
It was a usual pattern ofhomesteading, and that's like
the practice of going out andfinding land that you think is
yours and then staking yourclaim.
And now that's your you've nowowned that land.
Your place.
Yeah.
Ranching, farming, and with itcame the assumption that
anything unexplained couldeventually be managed or
explained away.
So in 1886, the U.S.
military completed constructionof a new outpost in the region,

(12:30):
Fort Duchesne.
This wasn't far from the ranch,and over time, soldiers and
civilians stationed therestarted noticing that the area
on the Mesa was on off.
Oh.
They were on it, but it wasoff.
Something was off.
Yes, something was off.
Not always in obvious ways, butenough to cause unease.
That same year, a family namedMyers began purchasing the land
that would eventually becomeSkinwalker Ant.

(12:50):
Their presence marked thebeginning of a private
relationship with the land, onethat passed through owners over
time, but rarely withoutincident.
So we're seeing like a hugespan of time here where there's
not a lot that's going on.
So what was happening duringthat time?
Nothing.
The spirits were settled.
The extraterrestrials werelike, uh, we're just gonna take
a little nap on this place.

(13:12):
But you know what's popping offright now?
Roswell.

Josh (13:15):
Yeah, I mean, there was some earlier accounts, and it
wasn't anything out of thisworld.
It was more strange sounds youknow, before Roswell.

Travis (13:23):
So some of the Earth's reports of strange activity came
in the form of unexplainedsounds.
In 1906, local newspapersmentioned odd thunder-like
noises in the Uinta basin.
These weren't storms, theydidn't come with lightning, and
they didn't fade the way thundernormally does.
Some locals believe the soundscame from underground, from
shifting rock deep within Uintafault line.
And we saw evidence of that inthat little dock that we sped

(13:44):
through.
Yeah.
Over the next several decades,that pattern continues.
Strange lights in the sky, loudbooms with no visible source,
animals reacting to things noone could see.

Josh (13:52):
That always freaks me out.

Travis (13:54):
Yeah.

Josh (13:54):
When animals react.
Because I trust an animal overa human.

Travis (13:57):
Yeah, they're pure beings.

Josh (13:59):
Yeah.
Dogs and cats.
Some of them.
I mean cats are pure evil.
Well, they're still pure.
Yeah, exactly.
So yeah, that was like the1880s to the 1950s.
From the 1950s to the 70s,that's when things get a little
wackier.
By the 1950s, the strangesounds and folklore around the
Uinta basin had started toevolve into something harder to

(14:20):
dismiss.
People weren't just hearing oddnoises anymore.
They were seeing things.
Lights in the sky, objects thathover, shifted directions
instantly, or move silentlyacross the open air.
These sightings didn't look orbehave like aircrafts or weather
balloons, and while noteveryone was willing to talk
about what they saw, the storiesstill spread.
So some of the notablesightings is 1956, Sandy

(14:41):
Richmond, near Bridgeland, Utah,30 miles from the ranch.
Sandy reported an orange orbflying over a hill, and it moved
quickly and made no soundexcept for a soft hum.
So can we really attribute thatto Skywalker Ranch?

Travis (14:53):
It's 30 miles away.
That's like quite a distance.

Josh (14:56):
Well, a lot of these, the indigenous tribes talked about
this being one of the pathwaysfor the skinwalker.
So there's high strangenessthat happens in this area, but
it's not the only place that wascursed.
It's kind of like the hub.
Okay.
And the skinwalker can be seenthrough many states, actually,
like New Mexico, Arizona, Utah.

(15:17):
And states of being.
They're shapeshifters.
That's true.
In 1956, there's Sam Brew.
He's a Roosevelt.
Sam saw a silver dome-shapedcraft hovering quietly in the
sky.
He said it was the size of asmall house and claimed to see a
figure inside standing at awindow and describing a physical
sensation like pressureradiating from the object.

(15:38):
1965, Brent D.
Young from Dry Fork.
Brent reported what he thoughtwas a star until it began to
move.
It approached silently,hovered, and then shot off into
the distance.
So by the mid-1960s, sightingslike these had become a routine
in that region.
It became very common.
Yeah.

Travis (15:55):
And then Welcome to the ranch, Sherman family.

Josh (15:59):
Yeah.
In 1992, Terry and Gwen Shermanpurchased the property known as
Skinwalker Ranch.
So this whole time it was ownedby It had passed through
multiple people.
Yeah, so it had, but the Myersthat originally ended up buying
up a lot of that land.
They've owned it for so long.
And then eventually Terry andGwen Sherman purchased the

(16:19):
property and they had no ideawhat they're walking into.

Travis (16:22):
Classic Sherman behavior.

Josh (16:24):
Yeah, they just wanted to live the ranch life.
And they were very prominentranchers.
Who is it?

Travis (16:30):
Terry had a degree in animal husbandry.

Josh (16:33):
Yeah.

Travis (16:34):
He watched animals fuck.

Josh (16:36):
Is that what that is?

Travis (16:36):
Yeah, that's uh yes, that's like helping animals
procreate to essentially weedout weaker genes.

Josh (16:45):
Okay.
So they were looking for a goodplace for grazing for their
cattle, and they wanted a freshstart.
But from the very beginning,something felt off, not on.
So day one, when they getthere, as they were unloading
their belongings, a massive wolfapproached them.
It was calm and almost friendlyand larger than any wolf terry
had ever seen.
The animal walked up to the penand grabbed a calf by the

(17:07):
muzzle through the bars.

Travis (17:08):
Looking for a little snack.

Josh (17:09):
Yeah, the video we were watching, it didn't
automatically go and grab acalf.
It actually came up to thefamily and they were able to pet
it.

Speaker (17:17):
Yeah.

Josh (17:18):
So they thought it was like tame or it belonged to
someone in the area.
And then shortly after itwalked over.

Travis (17:24):
A calf had like curiously poked its head through
the fence and the wolf just bitit on the head.
Yeah and wouldn't let go.

Josh (17:29):
Yeah, and the wolf was trying to pry it through the
bars when the calf popped itshead out.
Terry tried to stop it.
He fired his magnum at closerange.
Well, they hit it with sticks.
Yeah.

Travis (17:39):
First they went and hit it with sticks.
When that didn't work, one ofthem went inside to grab their
magnum, humble brag, condom.
Yeah.
And started blasting.

Josh (17:49):
Yeah.

Travis (17:49):
Point blake.

Josh (17:50):
So he fired it and nothing happened.
So he shot again and still noreaction.
So Gwen handed him his huntingrifle and another shot, and
finally the wolf let go andslowly walked off as if nothing
had happened.
Like that it wasn't shotmultiple times.
Which I feel like if I wereshot, that's how I'd react.
Just cool and collected.
Yeah.
I don't want to look stupid.

(18:10):
I would be like, oh.
Oh you'd overdo it.
Yeah, I don't yeah.
Yeah.
So Terry and his son followedthis wolf's tracks, which
suddenly vanished 200 feet outwith no blood, no body, and no
trail.
So that was day one.
I'd be a little skeptical.

Travis (18:29):
That happened just right off the bat.
But it is it's ranch life, man.

Speaker (18:32):
Yeah.

Travis (18:32):
I mean, they'd obviously had encounters with wolves
before, the ranchers.
This is kind of it's just likewhat ranchers always come
across.
Like ranchers are the biggestproponents of hunting wolves
because they want to protecttheir livestock.
It's profit over I wouldn't saypeople.
Profit over wolves.

Josh (18:50):
Yeah.

Travis (18:50):
Right?
Put that on a sticker.

Josh (18:52):
Yeah.
So over the following months,the Shermans began seeing
glowing orbs hovering over theirfields.
The colors included blue,orange, and red, and the blue
orbs in particular sent theirdogs into fits of fear.
And lights also appeared in thesky that were faster and more
erratic than any of the knownaircrafts at the time.
Terry claimed to see a glowingorange portal open in mid-air at

(19:14):
one point, and through it adark creature crawled out,
dropped to the ground, andsprinted away.
Like a little poop.
That's a note for me.

Travis (19:21):
Yeah.

Josh (19:21):
And then another evening, when three of their dogs chased
a blue orb into the woods, sothis is where we're getting into
like, what are we talking abouthere?

Travis (19:29):
Are we talking about extraterrestrials or are we
talking about an indigenouspeople's curse?
Because this seems likeblending so many different ideas
here.
And this is where I feel likethe lore gets really confusing.
Because they're like, it's acurse.
No, it's aliens.
No, it's it's a fault line.
It's just seismic activitythat's happening in this area.

Josh (19:50):
That's what's so wild about this place is that there's
so many other things.
And one of the other thingsthat we're not going to talk
about is all the paranormalhauntings and different things.
Like they have a homesteadhouse there that they don't go
near.
That's where Sam and Kobestayed.
They've had lots of weirdthings, but they've had a lot of
reactions.
People have had to go to thehospital because they've gotten

(20:12):
too close or they stayed toolong.
And they're mainly focusing onthe indigenous lore and the UFO
style extraterrestrial andpotential portals.
That's what most of the peopleare focusing on, at least the
the current owners.
But it is everything.
It's yes to everything.
Okay.
So another evening when threeof their dogs chased a blue orb

(20:33):
into the woods, they didn't comeback.
So Terry followed their barksinto the darkness until he heard
yelps, then silence.
The next morning he found threescorched greasy spots in the
grass and the dogs were neverseen again.

Travis (20:44):
The scorched greasy spots is a I don't know, just
it's wild.
It's a wild way to justdescribe maybe that a living
thing had been there andevaporated.

Josh (20:55):
Yeah, it's graphic for sure.
The other thing that happenedon this ranch in their ownership
was cattle mutilations.
I mean, we could do an entireepisode just on this.
So I'm just gonna zip throughit really quick, because it's
bonkers.
Over the next two years, theShermans lost nearly 20% of
their herd.
And these weren't predatorkills.

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Their corpses had clean,bloodless incisions.
Internal organs were removedwith surgical precision, no
tracks, no blood trail, no signsof struggle.
Some of the animals sufferedfrom massive trauma, collapsed
ribs, broken bones, but with noexternal damage.
Others had eyes, tongues, orrectums removed with a laser.
They were sucking butts out.

(21:36):
Yeah.
But it was like some of thestuff is cauterized, and there's
no blood.
All the fluids of the entireanimal is gone.
There's no blood on the ground.

Travis (21:46):
Well, that could be, I mean, you can not saying I'm a
serial killer or anything, butyou could drain the blood from
an animal and then just move thebody.

Josh (21:55):
There's no sign of the body moving.
That's the thing.
Like this has been gone over somany times and no one knows how
it's happening.
We have experts, forensicscientists out there trying to
figure out how this stuff ishappening.
And even science today, some ofthese precision cuts can't be
done.
And it's just like this isbonkers.
And then the body stays there.
And normally when somethingdies, scavengers will come and

(22:18):
eat at it.
Scavengers don't eat theseanimals that have been
mutilated.
Interesting.
They will just stay there andthe flesh, they don't decompose
like normal animals.
It will take substantiallylonger for these animals to
decompose.

Travis (22:31):
Are they just leaving the animals out there?
How do they know it's notdecomposing at a normal rate?
They've left the animals outthere.
Just scientifically.
They're just like, let's justsee where this goes.

Josh (22:40):
Yeah, well, I'm sure there's scientific stuff, but
also farmers have just left theanimals.
And what are they going to do?
Move a 800-pound cattle.
They just leave it there.
They're just going to give itback to the land.
And I've seen documentarieswhere people will bring
professionals out.
Farmers will have scientistscome and they'll take them out
to these bones and they'll dotests on it and stuff.
It's very strange.

(23:00):
Very strange stuff.
What about bugs?
Uh nope.
No bugs.
They don't decompose likenormal.
Normally you'd see maggots anddifferent things like that, and
there's just nothing.
All life leaves these mutilateanimals alone.
And left the body.
Yeah.
The other thing I mentionedslightly is the poltergeist
activity in the home.
Uh-huh.
Where you said these littleYouTubers stayed.

(23:21):
They are.
They're very little.
Items would vanish from oneroom and reappear in another.
Uh sometimes minutes later,doors would slam on their own.
Tools used during ranch workwere found missing and later
discovered in odd places, likeon a roof or inside lock sheds
or hundreds of feet away.
One day Gwen unpacked groceriesand left a set of canned goods

(23:41):
on the kitchen counter.
And when she turned away for amoment, they vanished.
Later she found them rebaggedback in the grocery sacks, still
sitting in the car.

Travis (23:50):
Who hasn't done that before, though?

Josh (23:52):
Left the groceries in the car.

Travis (23:53):
Forgot they left the groceries, and then they're
like, I swear to God, like maybethey have an angry spouse.
It was like, I wanted my beans.
I need my beans.
Well, I swear to God, I putthem in the cupboard.
Please, God, stop yelling atme.
Only to find them in the car,and then you make up the story
so that you don't get yelled atanymore.

Josh (24:09):
This is like the Betty and Barney with the binocular
strap.
He made it all up because hisbinocular strap broke.
So there's a lot of stuff.
Eventually it was too much forthe Shermans.
And the stress, the loss oflivestock, and the fear, it just
pushed the family to a breakingpoint.
Yeah.

Travis (24:24):
And they were only here for four years.

Josh (24:26):
Yeah.
So in 1996, years after theybought the property, they put
the ranch up for sale.
And they're very transparent.
They wanted people to know theydidn't want what happened to
them to happen to someone else.

Travis (24:38):
We've got a real amityville horror house type
situation here.

Josh (24:42):
Yeah.
They didn't want someone to buythe place like, oh, I want to
be a little rancher and thencome in and just be terrorized.
They they legally have to saythat they're a cop.
Yep.
In 1996, as the Sherman familyleft the ranch behind, Robert
Bigelow stepped in.
Have we talked about RobertBigelow before?
No.
Oh boy.
Yeah.
Bigelow and NIDS in the blackbudget era.

(25:05):
So Bigelow was a Las Vegas realestate mogul with a deep
interest in the paranormal.
So Bigelow bought the propertynot to run cattle, but to study
the unexplained.
He was in the process offounding Bigelow Aerospace by
1999.
And even before that, he waslaying the groundwork to fund
serious research into spacetravel and anomalous phenomena.

(25:25):
His longstanding interest inUFOs, life after death, and
fringe science heavilyinfluenced both his aerospace
and paranormal ventures.

Travis (25:33):
So should we say what because you introduced a not an
agency, but this thing that hehad founded, you called it NIDS,
right?
NIDS?

Josh (25:41):
Yeah.

Travis (25:42):
It's the National Institute for Discovery Science.
I just feel like we should saythat.
Yeah.
So people aren't thinking, whatthe fuck did he just say?

Josh (25:48):
Did he just say NIDs and record it?

Travis (25:50):
Yeah.
Oh boy.

Josh (25:52):
It does sound kind of like NARDS.

Travis (25:54):
Yeah.

Josh (25:54):
My NIDs.

Travis (25:55):
Like what Wolfman has from Monster Squad.
Does he have NIDs?
NARDS.
Nards.
Wolfman's got NARS.
They kick him in the balls.

Josh (26:02):
So with Bigelow, through his research organization, the
National Institute of Science.
Discovery Science.
That's NIDS.
Discovery of Science.
He turned Skinwalker Ranch intoa private funded laboratory for
high strangeness using NIDS.
He assembled a team ofscientists, military personnel,
and intelligence professionals,including biochemist Dr.
Colm Kelleher.
Their goal was to investigatethe bizarre events reported by

(26:25):
the Shermans.
And this time with structuredobservations, surveillance
cameras, motion sensors, EMF andradiation monitors, and 24-7
data collection.
And then, this is why I getgiddy and crazy, came the
government funding.

Travis (26:40):
Because you don't like the government, but you like
government money, thatgovernment cheese.

Josh (26:44):
Mm-hmm.
Well, and it's like, is there aconspiracy?
What if the government'sgetting involved?
Why is the government gettinginvolved with researching
paranormal and high strangeness?
So with the help of the NevadaSenator Harry Reid, who shared
Bigelow's interest in UFOsearch, Bigelow secured a $22
million allocation from theDepartment of Defense.
That money quietly funded aneven deeper investigation into

(27:07):
Skinwalker Ranch and other sitesof reported anomalous activity
under a program later known asOsap, A W S A P.
So what the NIDS teamencountered at the ranch was
just as strange as what theShermans had reported.
Glowing orbs, mutilated cattle,silent craft hovering in the
sky, but they also began toexperience new phenomena, ones

(27:27):
that directly interfered withtheir ability to observe.
And I've seen this a lot onSkinwalker, where there's a lot
of interference.
Just things don't work.
Batteries die instantly, nosignal.
It's wild.
In one case, with NIDS,Kelleher and another researcher
witnessed a glowing orb in thefield.

(27:49):
Through night vision, theyclaimed to see a large dark
figure emerge from it, crawlingas if through a tunnel.
A moment later, one of themreported hearing a voice inside
his mind, We are watching you.
So they installed cameras,which is what I would do, but
they caught nothing.
Hard drives were wiped out,batteries drained without
explanation, even radiationdetectors showed brief, intense

(28:09):
spikes, and then nothing.
It was as if the phenomenondidn't just resist study but
actively avoided it.
And that's what on the TV show,people spoke of Skinwalker
Ranch as if it had a mind of itsown, and it was kind of teasing
and messing with them onpurpose.
Some of the researchersexperienced physical symptoms
like nausea, headaches,bleeding, only to feel fine the

(28:31):
moment they left the property.
Wild.
Others heard massive crashingnoises coming from the mesa,
like boulders tumbling, but norocks fell or debris were ever
found.
So despite years of research,the NIDS team couldn't pin down
the source or nature of thephenomena.
The data was inconsistent andthe events were unpredictable.
And eventually the governmentquietly ended its involvement

(28:51):
and NIDS disbanded soon after.

Travis (28:54):
So now we're going to get into what is called
trademarked weirdness.
Enter Brandon Fugel.
This is going to cover from2016 to the present.
So Fugel is the new owner ofthis place.
After years of silence fromSkinwalker Ranch, the new owner
quietly stepped in.
So in 2016, Utah businessmanBrandon Fugel purchased a

(29:15):
property through a companycalled Adamantium.
Fuck yeah.
Yeah, that's a cool name.
Yeah, the bones that are insideWolverine, man.
Adamantium.
Yeah.
He knows what he's doing.
Yeah, he knows what he's doing.
He knows.
He knows exactly who he'stargeting with that sort of
name.
Yep.
At first his identity was kepthidden, but in 2020 he came
forward revealing that he hadnot only acquired the land, but

(29:37):
was actively investigating it.
Fugel, who had made his fortunein real estate and tech, took a
very different approach thanhis predecessor.
He wasn't interested insecrecy.
He brought in scientists,military experts, and technical
teams, outfitted the ranch withadvanced surveillance systems,
and partnered with the HistoryChannel to produce The Secret of
Skinwalker Ranch.

Josh (29:56):
Boah boom boah, Josh's favorite show.
Well, and that's the thing isBigelow, I mean, he did all
those years of research.
He hasn't released any of thatresearch.
So Brandon Fogle starting fromscratch.
Release those D discoveries,right?

Travis (30:13):
Because Discovery Science.
Yep.
That's what D stands for.
Discovery.
Uh huh.
So while the show added drama,the experiments were real and in
many cases strange.
So some of the findings werethe triangle, a specific
airspace above the ranch whereanomalies occur most often.
Rockets launched verticallythrough it would frequently veer
off course or fail, which wesaw in the little feature ad

(30:35):
that we watched about SkinwalkerRanch.

Josh (30:37):
Yeah.

Travis (30:38):
Several launches malfunctioned at exactly 31 feet
in the air, prompting deeperinvestigation.
31 feet, weird.
Yeah.
Prime number.
Hmm.
Is there something there?

Josh (30:47):
Mathematically, 31.
They realized fairly early onin their experiments that when
they shot rockets off, strangethings would happen.

Travis (30:55):
So there were also some unusual signals.
A consistent radio frequency at1.6 gigahertz was detected,
stretching from the ground tonearly a mile high.
Another signal at 919 MHz waspicked up during drilling
operations and otherexperiments.
These weren't background noise,they were strong, persistent,
and unexplained.
So there were some aerialphenomena, high-speed footage
have captured what appeared tobe a blob-like distortion in the

(31:18):
sky above a rocket just beforeit exploded.
LIDAR scans of the same arealater revealed a black void
absorbing or deflecting lasermapping, almost as if something
was physically there butinvisible.

Josh (31:28):
That one was crazy.
So they use LIDAR, they uselight to scan the area, and
there's an area that wascompletely black in their data.
Like you could see the map, youcould see the whole area, and
this blackness basically, thisarea ate the light.
The light was gone.

Travis (31:46):
Yeah.
So powerful that light can'teven escape it.
Yeah.
Actually, that's like theopposite, because light wasn't
escaping it.
It was just surrounding it.
So it was like an object.
It was like hitting a big steelball, but it wasn't absorbing
any of that heat, right?
It was just going around it.

Josh (32:00):
Yeah, there was a ring around this area that was very
strange.
And they're still investigatingit.
They're trying to figure itout, but they're finding things
under the ground, on the ground,and above the ground.

Travis (32:11):
So now we're going to get into subsurface discoveries.
Nice segue, Josh.
So drilling into the Mesaencountered a hard, impenetrable
object roughly 270 feet belowthe surface.
Samples retrieved nearbycontained thorium and europium,
metallic elements used inaerospace manufacturing, but not
typically found in thatconcentration locally.
Some scans suggestedtunnel-legged voids or possibly

(32:32):
engineered structures beneaththe surface.

Josh (32:34):
Ooh.
That's what I'm I think it'sengineered.
And I don't know if it's alienor maybe Bigelow when he was
there made some kind of fortinside the mesa.
I don't know.
Because there's definitely, ifyou look at where they're
drilling, it looks like it waskind of caved in.

Travis (32:50):
That's so cute.

Josh (32:51):
Yeah.
I mean, we don't know whatBigelow did.
Just like uh a little spacejust for me.
Yeah.
But it having these twoextremely rare So why don't they
dig down there and find out?
They've been trying, but theyget stopped every single time.
Weird things happen where likethis dig when they found these
metals, they couldn't diganymore because the metal was
there.
There was something blockingthem.

(33:11):
Aliens?
Yes.
But maybe no.
But maybe yes.
But yeah, that's an ongoingthing that is very frustrating
for them.
They just can't figure it out.
They've had multiple differentdrill teams come in and they
just run into issues.

Travis (33:25):
So there have been some environmental reactions.
We watched this on this littlefeaturette.
Ceremonial drumming sessionperformed by indigenous guests
cause the temperature of theMesa Stone Circle to rise
significantly.
When the drumming stopped, theheat anomaly vanished.
This temperature fluctuationwas captured on thermal imaging.
Kind of cool to see this likeweird activity happening with
this very, you know, kind oflike lo-fi earthy drum circle.

(33:48):
Drum circle, sure.

Josh (33:49):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And at the same time, they sawa UAP, a light, or two lights, I
think it was, fly straight intothe mesa where that stone
circle is, where the natives,the indigenous people, said that
that is where a portal is.

Travis (34:04):
Super cess.
Suspicious.
So there have been somesurveillance incidents during
one rocket experiment after aUAP was observed, an unmarked
helicopter flew directly overthe triangle.
The aircraft didn't broadcast atransponder signal, which is a
violation of the FAA rules.
It hovered, circled, and left.
No one on the team had notifiedanyone of the experiment.

Josh (34:23):
That was crazy.
That was an episode on TheSecrets of Skinwalker Ranch.
They were doing theseexperiments, and then a freaking
military like black hawk, nolights on, started flying around
them.
And they've had lots ofdifferent times where they're
being surveyed, basically.
It hovered around and hung outfor a little bit and then it
flew away.
Brandon Fogle is a verypowerful man in Utah, so he got

(34:45):
a hold of the senator, thegovernor, he got a hold of all
these people trying to figureout and no one He's politically
jacked.
Yeah.
And no one could get anyanswers.

Travis (34:53):
Because he's got a lot of money.

Josh (34:54):
Yeah.
But having that much money andnot being able to get answers,
and the people in charge of thestate not being able to get the
answers either, that's wild andfrustrating.
Sure.
And dangerous.
It didn't show up on radar, sothey had radar jacking.
Like, I mean, it was weird.

Travis (35:10):
Just jacking that radar.

Speaker (35:11):
Yeah.

Travis (35:12):
So here's some other observation.
GPS devices failed or gaveconflicting data.
Drones lost signal or crashed.
LIDAR and photogrammetry.
Scans showed phantomstructures.
I've never heard that or readthat word before.
Showed phantom structures andvoids.
Some researchers began tospeculate about the possibility
of a traversable wormhole orunknown technology in the area.

(35:32):
So despite all this high-techequipment, the team often
encountered the same problem asthose before them.
The more they investigated, theless clear things became.
Even with cameras rolling,experts on site, and experiments
repeated in controlledsettings, the phenomena remained
unpredictable and possiblyintelligent in nature.
Something is happening atSkinwalker Ranch, whether it's
natural, paranormal, orengineered, no one seems to know

(35:54):
for sure.

Josh (35:55):
Yeah.
It just seems like the ranch istoying with them and they're
not able to get any data becauseall their data is different
every single time they do it.

Travis (36:05):
So what do we make at Skinwalker Ranch, Josh?

Josh (36:07):
Well, it's been called cursed, haunted, a portal to who
knows where.
Whoa.
But it's also just a ranch inUtah with a long history of
strange stuff happening.
Some of it sounds like sciencefiction, some of it sounds like
local legend, and some of itmost just can't explain.
But what we do know is that thepeople have been trying to
figure this place out for a verylong time.

(36:28):
And they're still trying.
Whether you buy into it or not,it's one of the weirdest, most
talked about pieces of land onthe planet.
And I am in it for the longhaul.
Long haul.

Travis (36:38):
I'm learning so much on this podcast, like the different
ways to pronounce certainwords.
I think you said Mugle when yousaid.
I did.

Josh (36:45):
But I'm gonna I'm gonna edit all that out and make me.

Travis (36:49):
Give it in, give it in.
It's funny.
It's great.
It gives us a little peek intowho we are and our
personalities.
Yeah.
It does.
Leave all the trash in.
Release it raw.
No way.
Raw dog these episodes, Josh.

Josh (36:59):
Yeah, most people won't know this, but when I speak, I
have very long pauses betweensentences or words.
So I have to shrink that downand edit it.

Travis (37:10):
I keep looking at my watch, like trying to hurry it
up because I am a pretty fasttalker.

Josh (37:14):
And you're a busy guy.
You got places to go.
Places to go.
Zip, zip, zip, zip.
Yep.
Let's go.
Yep.
But I speak like this.

Travis (37:22):
Oh, you're like the sloth from Zootopia.
Zootopia.
Yeah.
Where it's like, come on, comeon, come on, come on, come on.
I'll finish the sentence foryou.

Josh (37:29):
Yeah.
So that's what I do.
I'm afraid to be a guest onother shows because my true
identity will be found out.

Travis (37:36):
You're afraid that they're not going to edit down.

Josh (37:38):
Yeah.

Travis (37:39):
And then cut all the pauses.

Josh (37:40):
I'll be a guest if I can edit myself.

Travis (37:43):
Yeah.
Really, these episodes thatwe're recording are like four
hours long.
You guys get a very abbreviatedversion of it.

Josh (37:50):
The same amount of content.
Just taking the spaces out.
Yep.
Basically.
So when it comes to aliens,yes, maybe no.
And maybe poltergeists orcryptids, yes, maybe no.
On the cryptid side, I'm alittle skeptical.
I'm like a maybe.
On the poltergeist, I'm a maybeto a no.

Travis (38:11):
Okay.
You're ruling on all of them.

Josh (38:13):
Oh, yeah.
On the alien side, I'mdefinitely saying yes.
Okay.
I mean, it's weird shithappening all over, but with the
aliens, that one is what piquesmy interest and what I've
looked into the most.

Travis (38:25):
Is someone stuck in a mud hole outside of your house?
That's what it sounds like.
Yeah, it's like someone's justdoing burnouts trying to get out
of mud.
Yeah, it's all day and allnight.
Sucks.
Well, maybe get rid of thatmoat that you have in front of
your house, Josh.
To keep the feds out.

Josh (38:40):
Cheese goblins.
Cheese goblins in.
In.

unknown (38:43):
Yeah.

Josh (38:44):
I've been breeding cheese monsters.
Uh okay.
Yeah, sure.
Yeah.
So yeah, I just with the alienaspect, I think, yes.
There's just too muchweirdness.
And they've caught it multipletimes on video.
And you know what?
We can even say portals.
And that kind of correlateswith aliens.
They've seen it happen.

(39:04):
They've seen ships fly into themesa and then disappear and
then fly out as if there was aportal.
So I would say absolutelyaliens.
And I'm excited for them tofigure it all out and for me to
get all the knowledge.

Travis (39:20):
Which is probably part of the slow disclosure that the
government is I'm realizing somuch about you.
If I just let you talk, youjust keep going.

Josh (39:28):
Yeah.

Travis (39:29):
Very slowly, but I do.
Yep.
I just stare at you.
This is like a trick you learnif you're in therapy, that if a
therapist is very quiet, youjust try to fill that space.
And I find that very dangerous.

Josh (39:40):
Oh, yeah.
At least I'm not talking aboutmyself.
That's like all you're doing.
Oh, that's exactly what you'redoing.
Me, what I think.
Uh-huh.
Yeah.
What do you think though?

Travis (39:50):
Okay.
So I guess on those threecategories that you put out
there, I'm not going to callthem cryptids because I don't
think they're cryptids.
I think that it's more of asupernatural.
That's what I would categorizeit.

Josh (40:00):
But as skinwalker.

Travis (40:01):
Yeah, supernatural.
I guess poltergeist alsosupernatural and then alien.
So as far as the indigenous warof it, I am a fantasy person
and I think there's somethingvery beautiful in the idea that
somebody had taken on this curseto defend their land and
protect kind of like the last FUto whoever was coming into this

(40:22):
territory.
Yeah.
That was occupied for thousandsof years.
So I think there's somethingvery beautiful about that.
So I am more inclined tobelieve in that because I am
such a like we talked about thison the pod.
I'm such a little fantasy boy.
I love that idea.
So I'm like a very close to yeson the the lore of it.
On the lore of it or theexistence that it's real.

(40:43):
The existence of just of askinwalker in the like Navajo
lore.
I am very close to a yes onthat.
Just because I want to believein magic.
I think that there's justsomething so beautiful about
that.

Speaker (40:55):
Okay.

Travis (40:56):
Poltergeist.
No.
I'm firmly in the camp.
No, I don't think poltergeistsor ghosts exist.

Josh (41:01):
I think that's a we talked about that in the our first
episode.
We're just we haven't beenswayed.

Travis (41:06):
It's not for me, dog.
Yeah.
I think ghost movies are scary.
I think ghosts, the idea ofghosts are scary, like
unfinished business, is like oneof my biggest fears in my
personal life.
I don't like to leave thingsunfinished.
But then onto the aliens of it,I think this is a very
compelling.
I like the research and thetime that's being put into this,
the resources.
They have a lot of money thatare going into this, and it's

(41:28):
not government funded.
So we are seeing these resultsin real time with the show that
I haven't seen yet.
Maybe I'll this is uh meconvincing myself to watch the
show.
Yeah, do it.
So I'm like at a probably 80%to a yes.
Cool on aliens.

Josh (41:42):
Yeah, Skinwalker reminds me similar to what we talked
about in the last episode ofClose Encounters of the
Skywatchers, where it's notgovernment funded research.
So we're getting it in realtime, and they're doing it
scientifically.
They're not going at it likethe YouTubers showing up, you
know, where they're like, wellmy gosh, they're not emotionally
attached or anything.
They're trying to figure outanswers and they're doing their

(42:04):
due diligence to document andrecord all that data.
So cool.
That's by far the highest I'veheard on aliens, yes.

Travis (42:14):
Mm-hmm on you.
Maybe even higher than 80%.
I mean, if I watch the show, Imight push that needle a little
closer.
But yeah, I mean 80% is uh abig deal for me.

Josh (42:23):
Yeah.

Travis (42:23):
Big deal for take it easy, buddy.
Podcasting.
Yeah, I know, right?
Big deal for broadcasting.
What a day for what a day.
Yeah.
Thousand subscribers.
We've been doing this for abouta year.
I get to an 80%.
That was the mark that you weregonna believe.
Yeah, it was a thousand.
It was a thousand.
Magical number.

Josh (42:41):
Like once I hit a thousand, I'll say yes.

Travis (42:43):
This is me going Super Saiyan.
Yeah, yeah.
Over one thousand.

Josh (42:47):
So yeah, if you guys like this or if you liked any of the
other episodes, definitely giveus a rating or a review and tell
your friends.
The rating and reviews willhelp us kind of go up in the
algorithm so other people cansee what we're doing and we work
really hard for the show.

Travis (43:04):
Go to our fan mail.

Josh (43:05):
Yeah, go to our fan mail in our show notes.
You can talk to us directly.
We can't talk back, but wecould Oh, we'll talk back, but
we'll do it on the show.
Yeah, we'll do it on the show.
Talk back.
That's right.
Yeah.

Travis (43:18):
Say something mean.
I dare you.

Josh (43:20):
Yeah.

Travis (43:20):
Do it.
Don't don't actually saysomething mean.
Don't don't do that.
If you're gonna take the timeto say something, just make it
nice.
Just say something nice.

Josh (43:28):
Yeah.
Or you could ask us personalquestions or questions about the
show or something.

Travis (43:32):
Why did Travis say foreskin twice?

Josh (43:34):
Yeah.

Travis (43:35):
Because it's funny.

Josh (43:36):
Okay.

Travis (43:36):
I was actually gonna ask that question.
I'm here for the lulls.

Josh (43:39):
Yeah.

Travis (43:39):
All right.
So that's our show.
Oh, wait.
Oh, but wait, there's more.

Josh (43:46):
There is more.
As always.
We have our baseline quiz.
What is this?

Travis (43:54):
Oh my god.
We kind of laid the groundworkwith your moat and keeping the
things in with what we're gonnatalk about on our next episode.
So what is it?

Josh (44:04):
So we don't know what our next topic is gonna be until
halfway through the recording oruntil we open up the quiz.
And this next topic is KellyHopkinsville Goblins.

Travis (44:15):
Yeah, hopefully there's a cheddar goblin here.
I think they're part of thesame family.
Yeah, all goblins come from thesame gob god.

Josh (44:23):
Yeah, it it has a high level of husbandry involved, but
yeah, they're all related.

Travis (44:29):
This episode will come out close to Halloween.
So, hey, happy Halloween,everybody! Hey ghosts and ghouls
out there.

Josh (44:38):
I'm gonna be a cheese goblin.
Uh cheddar goblin, yeah.
Cheddar Goblin.
What's another cheese?
Greer.
Greer goblin.
Yeah.
There's a whole string ofcheese goblins string cheese
goblins.
There we go.
Yeah.
Well done.
You landed the plane.
That's exciting.
This is a Halloween episodethat we're gonna be doing next
one.
Uh huh.
That's fun.

Travis (44:57):
That's fun.
Spooky.
Yeah.

Josh (44:59):
So this topic I kind of learned when we did the
Flatwoods monster.
I stumbled upon it while doingsome of my own research.
I read one paragraph, so that'sall I know.
Okay, so Kelly Hopkinsvillegoblins.
More than one.

Speaker (45:15):
Yeah.

Josh (45:16):
So like I said, I only know just a paragraph worth of
information here.
So let's start this quiz.
In what year did the KellyHopkinsville encounter take
place?
Is it A 1942?
Mm-hmm.
B 1955.
Gotta be.
C 1971.
Definitely that year.
Or D 1997.
Oh boy.
I'm fucked.

(45:36):
I'm gonna say 1995.

Travis (45:39):
1995's not even an option.

Josh (45:41):
Or 1955.

Travis (45:43):
Boy, Josh is going rogue.

Josh (45:46):
So I'm gonna say, yeah.
B 1955.

Travis (45:49):
I'm gonna say 1942 after um that is the year we entered
World War II.
I'm gonna take that off and I'mgonna say 1971.

Josh (45:57):
Okay.
All right.
We'll see.
All right.
Next question.
What state did the encounterhappen in?
Is it A, West Virginia?
Gotta be.
B Texas.
Oh no.
C Kentucky or D, Arkansas.
Oh man, Arkansas.
I fuck.
It's all of them.
Has to be.
I am gonna say on three.

Travis (46:16):
One, two, three.
West Virginia.
Kentucky.
Ah, interesting.
That's how we should do these.

Josh (46:22):
No.
It'd be horrible to edit.

Travis (46:24):
It would be so funny.
No.
West Virginia is what I answer.

Josh (46:26):
You're saying West Virginia, I'm saying Kentucky.
Okay.
Okay, next one.
How tall did witnesses claimthe creatures were?
Is it A three foot tall, B fivefoot tall, C eight foot?

Travis (46:38):
Oh, that's too tall for a goblin.
Or D ten foot.
That's like four goblins in atrench coat.

Josh (46:42):
Yeah.
So goblins are small, right?

Travis (46:45):
I think so.
Like you don't say you're agiant goblin.
You say, come here, you littlegoblin.

Josh (46:50):
Yeah.
Look at the goblins on uh Lordof the Rings.
They're the size of a hobbit.

Travis (46:53):
Yeah.
Look at the goblins on the Lordof the Rings.

Josh (46:56):
I do.
Hummadah hubadah hubadah.
Oh no.
Are we going down this routeagain?
You're gonna Google sexygoblins.
Look at the goblins on thatthing.
Jeez.

Travis (47:07):
Well, I guess Travis is gonna be a sexy goblin for
Halloween.
Oh man, I'm I'm a sexy goblinright now.
So what do you say?
I say three feet tall.

Josh (47:16):
That's what I was thinking too.

Travis (47:18):
It's probably wrong.
It's probably ten foot.
I don't know.

Josh (47:20):
It's I am who knows?

Travis (47:22):
Who knows how those West Virginians describe their
goblins?

Josh (47:26):
Careful.
Don't get cocky.
All right, next question.
What strange behavior did thecreatures reportedly show?
A floating instead of walking,B teleporting into locked rooms.

Travis (47:37):
Oh, like nightcrawler.

Josh (47:38):
C speaking in high-pitched tones, or D scurrying across
the ceilings.

Travis (47:43):
Ooh.
Fuck that.
That's like the worst part of apossession.
Uh okay.

Josh (47:51):
I'm gonna say the scurrying.

Travis (47:53):
I am too, because when I think goblins, I think of them
as scurriers.

Josh (47:57):
Yeah.
They did that in Lord of theRings.

Travis (47:59):
Yeah.

Josh (48:00):
Oh man.
Just crawling all over theplace.
Yeah.
Okay.
Okay.
That kind of like stopped myheart a little bit.
Like it seriously spooked me.
I went there.

Travis (48:10):
Just imagine you're laying on your back in the
middle of the night and you wokeup and then there's a goblin on
your seat looking down at you.

Josh (48:16):
Scurrying.

Travis (48:16):
You want some jitter?
That's what it says.

Josh (48:19):
Okay.

Travis (48:20):
Hey, you want some jitter?

Josh (48:22):
Next question.
How many people were present atthe Sutton farmhouse during the
event?
A2, B six, C eleven, or Dseventeen?
They sound like battleshipcoordinates when you say it like
that.
They do a little bit.
Farm out.
I mean, for me, eleven andseventeen is just a ridiculous
number.

Travis (48:41):
No, no, a farmhouse?
Are you kidding?
No.
Yes?
That's what like farmers do, isthey just create a bunch of
little workers.
I'm gonna say six.
Okay.
I'm gonna say my favoritenumber, eleven.
Oh, okay.
I didn't know that about you.
Sounds neat.
Mm-hmm.
And now I revealed it to ourthousand listeners.

Josh (48:59):
Mm-hmm.
Last question.
What phrase became popularafter this encounter?
Is it A, beam me up?
B, take me to your leader, C, Iwant to believe, or D, little
green men?

Travis (49:12):
I'm gonna say little green men, goblins.
Yep.
Because be me up is a Star Trekreference.
Yeah.
Take me to your leader is Idon't know, something fucking
else.
I want to believe is X Files.
That's like the tagline.

Josh (49:24):
What is Take Me to Your Leader?

Travis (49:26):
I don't know.
I'd have I'd have to look itup.

Josh (49:27):
Huh.
It's probably like a 1950smovie or something.

Travis (49:30):
Well, we'll talk about this.
Let's let's submit our answers.

Josh (49:33):
Okay.
So we will submit, see ouraccuracy.
Oh, in what year did the KellyHopkins encounter take place?
I said 1955.

Travis (49:42):
That was correct.
Guess what?
What did you say?
1971.

Josh (49:46):
Like an idiot.
Okay.
Next one.
What state did the encounterhappen in?
I said Kentucky.
You said West Virginia.
Like an idiot.
I know that because you werevery cocky about it.
And it was Kentucky is thecorrect answer.

Travis (50:03):
Yep.
So again, I'm performing like aTravis.

Josh (50:07):
Yeah.
How tall did witnesses claimthe creatures were?
We both said three feet tall.
That is correct.
Little guys.
Little guys.
Which would line up potentiallywith little green men.
Yeah.
Next one, what strange behaviordid the creatures reportedly
show?
Oh, thank God.
I said scurrying across theceilings.

Travis (50:25):
I said scurrying across the ceiling.

Josh (50:27):
Floating instead of walking.
Which is still spooky, but notthe ceiling thing.
Yeah.
Not as bad.

Travis (50:33):
Not as bad.

Josh (50:34):
So we both got that wrong.
Next one, how many people werepresent at the Sutton farmhouse
during the event?
I said six.
What did you say?
Lucky number 11.
Woo-woo!

Travis (50:46):
Finally my lucky number paid off.
So it was number 11.
Right after this quiz, I can goback to letting me down.
11 people.
That's that's a lot.

Josh (50:55):
That's the idea.
Just to view something, toexperience something.

Travis (50:59):
Yeah.
I mean, there's a lot offarmers have a lot of kids.
That is a known thing.

Josh (51:04):
Okay.
Last one.
What phrase became popularafter this encounter?
We both said little green men,and that is correct.

Travis (51:11):
So take me to your leader is a science fiction
cartoon catchphrase said by anextraterrestrial alien who's
just landed on Earth in aspacecraft.
So the first human they happento meet in cartoons of them is
frequently varied for comiceffects, such as a pun on the
phrase suit the setting, or thealien addressing an animal or
object they assume is anintelligent earthling.
So it's just like a funnylittle thing that they did in
cartoons.

Josh (51:31):
Okay.
Well, this is cool.
We gotta learn where littlegreen men come from, that
saying.
Similar to Kenneth Arnold withFlying Saucer.
So we're getting some origins.
You love origin stories.
I actually do.
I do too.
Yeah.
This will be fun.
Well, cool.
I'm excited about this nextepisode.
Thank you for listening, and wewill chat at you next time.

(51:52):
Okay.
Bye.
Bye.