The Ultimate Alien Species: Who Would Be the Last One Standing in a Cosmic Battle?

We're pitting 16 galactic alien species against each other! Why? To answer one of humanities core questions hiding inside all of us: Who would win in a fight?

Our researcher, Jordan, becomes our game-master/referee as we dive deep into each alien species lore before battling them against each other. 

We kick off with the Peacemakers; weighing the calm, multidimensional mastery of the Andromedans against the formidable Lyrans and Arcturians. Then the Ancients punch back: Draconians bring raw menace while The Watchers counter with strategic patience and mind games. And the Nommo get a participation trophy. In the Infiltrators bracket, Mantids show why they might be the most dangerous operators in the room. And the Wild Cards deliver pure nightmare fuel; from the spooky Shadow Beings to the biomechanical dread of the Negumok.

Is a hive mind a lethal advantage or a fatal flaw? Can you even beat a nonphysical entity? Is space-time manipulation just a cheat code? It's a clash of power vs. ethics, foresight vs. fear, and we learn something new with every knockout.

By the end, a champion stands and the path there says as much about our favorite human archetypes as it does about alien ones. If you love UFO mythology, smart speculative science, and listening to two people have a wildly weird and heated debate, this is the one. 

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Episode Transcript

Josh (00:03):
Aliens?
Aliens.
Yes.
But maybe no.
Welcome back to the show.
This is Aliens, yes, but maybeno, Josh and Travis.

(00:24):
I'm Travis.
I'm Josh.
And this is an otherworldlypodcast as ambiguous as our
title.
So, Josh, before we get intothe meat and potatoes of our
show today, do you remember whatwe talked about last week?
I do, do you?
No.
No idea.
Classic Travis.
Yes, it is.
Colts.
UFO cults.

(00:45):
Colts.
That's like a thing that I loveso much.
It is.
I do.
I love Colts.
Yeah, we agreed that all theleaders are insane.
I don't think we said that, butI think it was just common
knowledge.
I think it's a given.
Yeah.
So today we have a specialepisode.
Oh, right.
We're jumping right into it.
But first, we'd like to thankour people.
Okay.
Our researcher.

(01:06):
This feels like end of the showtype stuff.
What are we doing here?
Oh.
So today we have a specialguest, right?
Yeah, we do.
You can say that she's alwayshere.
In spirit.
Yes.
But also we are podcasting fromher house, from your house as
well.
Mm-hmm.
We've never had a guest before,so we don't really know how to
introduce a guest.

Jordan (01:26):
Yeah.
I'm uh the researcher, the uhputter togetherer.

Josh (01:30):
You're like the ventriloquist to our dummies.

Jordan (01:33):
Yeah.

Josh (01:34):
You've heard about her, you love her, you've never heard
her until now.
That's not true.
Because Jordan, you do host anumber of feather podcasts.

Jordan (01:42):
Yeah, I do host a number of other podcasts, but none of
them are as fun as this one.

Josh (01:45):
So I I I don't know what that says about your other
podcasts, but we are idiots.
Yeah.
I think that's why it's fun forher.
We are a bunch of ding dogs.
Hmm.
So today we brought Jordan on.
We asked her, or she asked us,to be the referee on a Battle
Aliens episode.
So last week we introduced thisepisode as like talking about

(02:10):
different species.
Right.
And we're gonna maybe get intosome like the biology,
physiology of these otheraliens, which is gonna be kind
of fun.
You know, like it's categorizedby somebody from Earth, so of
course we like to categorizethings, and instead we sagged
we're going to pit alien speciesagainst other alien species.
As humans would do.
Yeah, like I mean, next yearfor the 250th anniversary of

(02:35):
America, Trump is holding a cagematch on the White House.
On the White House lawn.
So this is like in that samespirit, I guess, where we just
want to see cool things fight.
Like, okay, I see that you'revery technologically advanced,
but how would you handle afistier face?
Well, so we're doing a bracketof alien species.

(02:56):
Uh-huh.
Are we judging it on who canbeat each other up?
Because I was under theimpression we were going which
is the sexiest.
Oh no.
That's a completely differentlist.
Oh.
Well, I guess that's kind of arelief for me because I thought
every single one was very sexy.
We did talk very hard.
I was like, we were gonna dolike a kiss, merry, kill.

(03:17):
Yeah.
And Josh and I talked in ourtext group, we're like, well,
fuck all of them.
Like, of course.
Why not?
And then last minute, Jordanadded some new ones and just
stirred some things up insideme.

Jordan (03:30):
Yeah, I uh I sent you guys the list ahead of time and
I was like, you know, if youwant to prep, you can.
If not, that's cool.
And then something happenedabout 11:30 last night.
I was like, you know what?
Shame on you.
And I'm gonna switch everythingup and you're just gonna show
up and not know what you'retalking about.
Fools.

Josh (03:49):
Yeah, and Travis, right before we started recording,
said that he did a lot ofresearch.
I did like five pages ofresearch.
I've got two Google documentsfull of information, and I
showed up today and I was like,fuck, I guess I just throw this
all in the garbage.

Jordan (04:02):
Yeah, I had to take seas backsease some of my changes,
but I think we're in a good spotnow.
So I'm sorry.

Josh (04:09):
I did no research and classic Josh.
I feel like I'm already awinner.
I feel like we're all winnersjust having you here, Josh.
Thanks, God.
We've needed that.
Okay, so do you want to shouldwe just get down to it?
Yeah.
Yeah, alien species.
So before we get started, Iwant to tell you guys that I did
write a song.
Oh, that's right before thisepisode, and I just want to play

(04:30):
it for you right now.
Okay.
I put a lot of work into it.

(05:19):
As you will, I'm just blownaway that you could do that.
I didn't know.
I knew you had dance moves, butthat doesn't really translate
to a podcast.
Yeah.

Jordan (05:28):
But let me just tell listeners, you're an incredible
dancer and they're reallymissing out.
We may have to start doing avideo format of this podcast.

Josh (05:37):
Thank you.
You're welcome.
You're welcome.

Jordan (05:41):
All right.
So for our Battle Aliensbracket, we have 16 aliens
facing off in four seeds.
So the seeds are thepeacemakers, then we have the
ancients, the infiltrators, andthe wild cards.

Josh (05:57):
Is this going to be available in our show notes so
that people can see what ourbracket was?

Jordan (06:01):
Yeah, we could absolutely include a link to the
spreadsheet because it is aspreadsheet that I did a darn
good job on.
So I would be more than happyto share it with the world.
It does.

Josh (06:12):
It looks real.
It looks like imagine the bestFinal Four March Madness bracket
you can.
Multiply that by 100.
Yep.
So how many aliens are there?
69, which is really funny.

Jordan (06:29):
Nice.

Josh (06:29):
According to what's that guy's name?
Uh Greer?
Yeah.
Dr.
Stephen Greer.
Yeah, he had categorized 69species.

Jordan (06:37):
It's so weird because alien.
Yeah, it depends on who youask.
Like some people will be like,there's 27 species, and then
other people will be like,there's 127.
And so you just so specific.

Josh (06:47):
It's very weird.
Yeah.
I don't understand how, unlessyou have definitive proof, you
could come up with theseabsolute numbers.
It's yeah.
I just want to say that at thetop of this, like looking at
this, I think that it lacksimagination.
Oh.
Like all of these aliens, eventhe water ones, have like, at
least if you look online, someof the images they are two legs,
two arms, two eyes, two ears,two nostrils, two testicles, two

(07:10):
ovaries, whatever, two earholes.
Did you go down a rabbit holeagain?
Uh a little bit, but that'sfine.
Like, that's part of what Ibring to this podcast.
Yeah.
Thank you.
I I feel like the universe isso broad and like our evolution
here is so specific that likethat doesn't necessarily mean
that all these aliens wouldevolve to having two legs, two

(07:32):
arms, two eyes, and whatever.
Like, if a planet has like avery intense gravity, like more
gravity than we have here, whydon't we see like
pancake-looking aliens?
Like something that is likesquished aliens, or like if it's
a water base, why would theyevolve to have legs, right?

Jordan (07:50):
Yeah.

Josh (07:50):
Yeah.
They would look more like andwe're we see or is their water
the same as our water?
Right, exactly.
But we see that even here, likevery evolved forms of life,
like with cephalopods, octopus,squid, uh whales, very advanced.
You can see like bones, youknow, in some whale species,
like because they went fromwater to land and came back to

(08:11):
water.
Yeah.
But like cephalopods, octopus,they don't have any bones
whatsoever.
And it's like a gravity-lightenvironment in the ocean.
So why would you even havebones?
Like sharks have cartilage,fish have cartilage, like you
want a squishy structure so youcan move around in this, you
know, viscous environment.
On the same topic, I alsonoticed that you brought uh some

(08:32):
DD dice.
I did today.
I have no idea.
I found this.
I I'm not a DD person.
Uh but why do you have the dye?
I found it and I put it in mycar.
I thought maybe I need it.
This is the first time I'veever pulled it out of my car.
Interesting.

Jordan (08:47):
So if we need like a tiebreaker sort of situation.

Josh (08:50):
Sure.
I don't, it's like uh it's likeuh I don't even know how many
sides it is.
So you've mentioned DD, thatit's too nerdy and you mentioned
it a couple of times.
Oh a lot.
I bring it up.
And then you just randomly finda piece to play the game.
Point taken.
Okay, Josh.
Uh but I'm not a secret DDnerd.
And then you've been carryingit around with you in my car.

(09:11):
And you bring it.
Yeah.
And then you're saying thatthese aliens just don't do it
for you.
You need you need somethingdeeper.
You needed something a littlemore.
Yeah.
I think you need DD.
Maybe I do.
I need some D and D.
Yeah.
Okay.
I did manual analog research.
I looked up all these aliensand wrote down, I did like a pro

(09:33):
com list based on theirattributes or whatever.
Okay.
Bam.
I got through about eight,though, the left side, and then
the right side, I was just like,I got real lazy.
And it was just a version thatI got last week.
So this isn't the most currentversion.
So I got a little lazy and Iwas just like looking at the
words.
I was like, well, fuckinggnomo.
That's like a gnome, right?
They're battling little greenguys.

(09:54):
I thought the same thing.
Easily squishable.
Done.
So that's like I started toreason just based on names.
Oh god.
But I did plug it into AI.
So I'm not going to give the AIanswers till we're done because
I just I want to see how youand I play out.
But AI did give me this littlepreface, and I'm going to read
that right now.
Okay.

(10:15):
The image you sent is a bracketfor a cosmic showdown featuring
various aliens categorized intothe peacemakers, the ancients,
the infiltrators, and wildcards.
It's set up like a tournamentbracket, since this is a
fictional scenario and there'sno objective way to determine
the strength or abilities.
I disagree with that.
This is real.
Well, it is real, Josh.
It is absolutely real.

(10:35):
Yeah.
Since there's no objective wayto determine the strength or
abilities of these hypotheticalalien races, any prediction
would be purely speculative andbased on common tropes or
personal interpretations.
However, if I were to make I,like AI, were to make a
prediction based on some generalthemes often associated with
these groups, here's how I mightsee it playing out with a focus

(10:58):
on who I think would win in theend.
Ooh.
So pretty exciting.
I'll read out the winners atthe end of the show.
Cool.
That's exciting.

Jordan (11:06):
I love it.

Josh (11:07):
Yeah.
Okay.

Jordan (11:08):
All right.
Here we go.
Our first face-off.
We have Arcturians versusAndromedans.
So Arcturians.
The Arcturians are an advancedextraterrestrial race
originating from the Arcturusstar system, renowned for their
intelligence, spiritual wisdom,and ability to heal instantly.

(11:29):
They are often described astall, slender beings with
luminous pale blue to greenishskin and large, almond-shaped,
dark eyes.
And they communicate primarilythrough telepathy or channeling.
As founding members of theGalactic Federation of Worlds,
they are considered galacticmentors and guardians of higher
consciousness, actively workingto heal the earth, activate

(11:51):
human DNA, whatever that means,and guide humanity's spiritual
evolution towards higherdimensions.

Josh (11:56):
Okay, so in my notes, I have they are weak,
thin-skinned, peaceful, helpfulto other civilizations, short,
and non-aggressive.
What?
That's what I that's what Ihave based on like the same
thing.
I was just summarizing it inbuzzwords.

Jordan (12:11):
Alright, well, let's take a look at Andromedons.
So the Andromedans, they arehighly advanced, benevolent
extraterrestrials believed tooriginate from the Andromeda
galaxy, roughly 2.5 millionlight years from Earth,
described as tall, gracefulbeings with blue-tinted or
translucent skin and powerfultelepathic abilities.
They are considered part of aninterstellar alliance focused on

(12:32):
peace and spiritual evolution.
Andromedans are said to possesstechnologies millions of years
beyond human understanding,including light-based spacecraft
and multidimensional travel.
They are known for their deepcommitment and non-interference,
observing Earth's developmentwhile occasionally contacting
select individuals to guidehuman consciousness.

Josh (12:51):
Okay.
These are my heavies.
Oh.
These are the guys that I havewe'll talk about it.
These are my heavies.
Are they really?
Yeah.
Holy shit.
It's the multidimensionalaspect.
They have the ability to shapespace-time.
Yes.
So there's like nothing theycan't figure out.
But because of the long livesthat they live, 4,000 years.

(13:13):
Yeah.
They use that to enhance theirspiritual knowledge, and they
have all the power at theirfingertips, but they choose not
to use it for evil, for harm.
So I mean, these two pittedtogether is really hard for me.

Jordan (13:30):
Is it?
It doesn't sound like it is.

Josh (13:32):
For me, it's not.
Arcturians are the same.
The Andromedans and Arcturians,they both have that.
Nope, because the Arcturianscan't manipulate space-time.
That wasn't my understanding.
That was my understanding.
And that is a fucking gamechanger.

(13:54):
That's a fight ender.
Like even if you lose a fight,you just go back in time and you
learn what you need to topredict how you're going to beat
them in the next fight, it'sit's over.
That was what I mean, some ofthe video that I watched on the
Arcturians, that was what theywere also known for is being
able to dip into differentdimensions.
Because through like amillennia of meditation and

(14:15):
perfectionism, that they've beenable to perfect their craft of
peacemaking, which is thecategory that we're in, and they
are also healers on top ofthat.
I look at Andromedans like Ilook at Doctor Who.
Nothing can beat Doctor Who.
He can manipulate space andtime, and he might not kill you,
but he will defeat you.
I mean, not if you destroy histech.

(14:37):
Good luck trying to destroythat Sonic screwdriver.
I didn't do as much research onthe Andromedons as the
Arcturians.
But when I did the research onthe Arcturians, I even told
Jordan, like, these are my rideor dies.
Arcturians are your ride ordie.
Andromedons are mine.
And this is one.
What is the rest of thisepisode gonna look like?

(14:58):
It's gonna be a hot mess.
I don't care.
Oh my gosh.

Jordan (15:02):
This is like the scene in Devil Wears Prada where the
girl is holding up the two beltsand she's saying, I just can't
decide.
They're both so different, andthey're almost exactly the same.

Josh (15:12):
Almost exactly the same.

Jordan (15:13):
This is how I feel right now.

Josh (15:14):
That's what's hard.
I think that watching oneYouTube video and making
Narcturians my ride or die issilly, especially in this
context because they're sosimilar.
I can side with you.
Okay, so Andromedans, for mynotes, their pros are tall.
The Hindu god Shiva is based onAndromedans.

(15:35):
They're advancedtechnologically, which is like
when I was doing my research, Iwas like, okay, every single one
of these has advancedtechnology, so I was crossing
that out, and that's how Ieliminated some of these
species.
So it was just like, okay, alot of these pros are repeated,
so I'm just gonna cross thoseout, those bounds out for me.
So I'm just looking at it aslike a one side versus another.

(15:56):
And again, this is subjective.
This is my idea of who wouldwin, but they have the ability
to create wormholes andmanipulate space-time.
They have superhuman strength,speed, durability, telekinesis,
invisibility, intangibility,which means you can see them,
but you can't touch them.
Their big con is they rely toomuch on their tech.

(16:16):
Interesting.
Okay.
I'm okay doing Andromedansbetween those two.

Jordan (16:21):
If if that's your uh next up, we have the Pleiadians
slash Nordics versus theLyrians.
So Pleiadians, they are oftenreferred to as Nordics due to
their tall, fair-skinnedhuman-like appearance with
blonde hair and blue eyes.
They originate from thePleiades star cluster and other

(16:43):
distant systems.
They are generally depicted aspeaceful, spiritually advanced
beings interested in humanity'swell-being and evolution,
frequently communicating throughtelepathy or channel.
They are believed to haveancient ties to Earth's history,
influencing civilizations andgenetically seeding humanity,
with many modern humansconsidered starseeds who've
incarnated from their lineage toaid Earth's ascension.

(17:05):
So those are the Pleiadians,very tall, blonde,
Scandinavian-looking people.

Josh (17:12):
Really quick, though, on the starseed point.
Have you guys taken thestarseed test?

Jordan (17:16):
No, I have not.

Josh (17:17):
I've only done the Hogwarts test.
So I've done the I've done theHogwarts test.
What are you?
Ravenclaw.
I'm Hufflepuff.

Jordan (17:24):
Of course he is.

Josh (17:25):
You are miscellaneous.

Jordan (17:26):
Yeah.
He's a good finder.

Josh (17:28):
I'm a finder.
Uh so my wife took it lastnight and I was tempted to take
it.
But it's like, what alien areyou kind of the starseed?
That's fun.
Yeah.
So maybe we should do that atthe end of the show.

Jordan (17:40):
We should do that.

Josh (17:41):
Maybe off mic and then re like.
Release it in a skiff.
We'll do a Patreon, and that isall that you get.

Jordan (17:54):
It's just skiffs.

Josh (17:55):
Just little skiffs.

Jordan (17:57):
And another star seed that you could come across is
the Lyrens.
So Lyrens are revered as thefirst humanoid man beings of all
galaxies, originating from theLyra star system, specifically
the planet Avion slash Agoria.
Apparently the plant has twonames, and are believed to have

(18:17):
genetically seeded all humans onEarth.
They are typically described astall, slender humanoids, 10 to
12 feet.
Jeez.
With feline features likeelongated ears and flat noses,
known for their nobleappearance, dynamic energy, and
spiritual wisdom.
Fleeing destructive LyrianOrion wars, they dispersed
across the galaxy.

Travis (18:39):
Star Wars?

Jordan (18:41):
Influencing many civilizations and genetically
contributing to various starseedraces, with some descendants
evolving into the Androbidonsand Arcturians.
As founding members of theGalactic Federation of Worlds,
Lyrians are seen as wisespiritual guides, and many
modern humans are believed to bestarseeds who carry their
ancient genetic legacy andinfluence.

(19:02):
So basically, just picture alion's head on a human body.

Josh (19:06):
Yes.
A Khajit in Skyrim.
Yes.
And that is my choice.

Jordan (19:12):
Just because of that.

Josh (19:13):
Because cats.

Jordan (19:14):
Because cats.

Josh (19:15):
Okay.
I'm a catman.
Okay.

Jordan (19:17):
It's either it's either cats or Scandinavians.
So.

Josh (19:20):
Yeah.
I heard that they werepacifists.
And so, like.
A cat could fuck you up.
I know a cat can fuck you up.
So in my notes, I had thePleiades Nordics winning.
But I'm not committed.
But what I have is theirstrengths, Pleiadians are
strong.
They've got speed, stamina.
They're invulnerable.

(19:41):
And they have flight.
And then advanced tech, whichwe're going to see throughout.
They're vulnerable to strongerpsionic attacks.
They have atmosphericlimitations, so like gravity,
things like that that aren'treally going to be good enough
fight.
This is the Pleiadians.
Yeah.
They're susceptible to magic.
I mean, are we all?

(20:03):
That's and that's what I havein my notes.
It's like, well, what isn't?
Yeah.
Um, and they can't regenerate.
So Lyrens have advanced tech,and then they were pacifists,
and so I have the Pleiadiansslash Nordics winning, but I do
like the cat-like uh aspects ofthis.
Yeah, I mean of the Lyrans.

(20:24):
They're wise, they're ancientand they're snuggleable.
Sure.
I th that's not gonna do verygood on the fight, though.
Unless they're doing like thepuss and boots thing where they
look at you with their big softeyes and that lures you in to
get close enough to be stabbedor whatever.
Just the claws and they havehuman hands.

(20:44):
Do they?
On that graphic they did.

Jordan (20:46):
On the AI-generated graphic.

Josh (20:48):
Yeah.
So maybe AI has it wrong.
Yeah.
What about the fangs?
Sure.
And yeah, I mean, if they haveI wouldn't want to fuck with
somebody that has a lion hair.

Jordan (20:56):
Also, they're 10 to 12 feet tall.
The Pleiadians are only six toseven feet tall.

Josh (21:01):
That's big.
Yeah.
I'm going with the cat people.
Okay.

Jordan (21:05):
Alright.
So now we have Andromedansversus Lyrens.

Josh (21:12):
Oh, we're going all the way.
Okay.
Andromedons are like, those aremy guys.
They can manipulate space-time.
That is a game ender foreverybody.
Like they can go back and learnfrom a fight and figure out how
to win.
They could fight a thousandfights.
Doesn't matter.
They're like Doctor Strange,where they're calculating
millions of things, sequences,and then they just go back and

(21:35):
they fix it.
The Andromedons are believed tohave evolved from the Lyrians.
So?
Zeus has evolved from Kronos,man, and he killed the shit out
of his dad.
Such a good point.
Your kids are gonna be strongerthan you.
If you're doing your job right,your kids are going to be

(21:55):
smarter than you are.
That's not how I raise mychildren.
I purposely tell them the wronginformation.
That's like what evolution is.
You want the next generation tobe better than you.
I know.
Damn it.
Really like the cats.
Yeah.
You also like the Arturians.
Sorry, Josh.
It's space-time, man.
It's time travel.

(22:16):
That's what we're talking abouthere.
No, I know.
If it's power, then theAndromedans have it.

Jordan (22:22):
All right.

Josh (22:23):
I agree.
Okay.

Jordan (22:24):
So Andromedans win the peacemakers.
Alright, let's move on to theancients.
First up, we have Anunnakiversus Draconians.

Josh (22:35):
Uh oh.

Jordan (22:36):
Alright.
The Anunnaki.
This is a race from the Siriusstar system, and they're
prominently associated with thecelestial planet Nibiru, from
which they are believed to haveoriginated.
They are famously credited withvisiting Earth around 400,000
years ago to mine gold to savetheir dying planet, and are
widely believed to havegenetically engineered early
humans by intermixing their DNAwith primates.

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Described as humanoid and oftentaller than average, their
appearance can include feline.

Josh (23:03):
Is it because they're hats?

Jordan (23:05):
You know, I don't know, but yeah, if you've ever seen
like ancient Sumerian artwork,it's the guys that have like the
curly beards and the tall hatsand typically wings, like
they're very often winged, butthey have feline or reptilian
traits, and figures like Enkiand Ishtar are revered as master
geneticists and technologicalinnovators, and they are deeply

(23:28):
entwined with Earth's ancienthistory, influencing
civilizations like the Sumeriansand Egyptians, while some
Syrian factions are consideredbenevolent members of the
Galactic Federation.
So that's the Anunnaki.
Let's move on to Draconians.
So the Draconians are a reptoidalien species.
They're ancient and powerfulextraterrestrial race,

(23:50):
predominantly originating fromthe Draco star system.
They are commonly described astall, scaly humanoids with
reptilian features like largejaws, slit pupils, or wings.
And they're known for theirtyrannical and aggressive
nature, and they are believed tohave infiltrated and
manipulated human societies andgovernments, engaging in
activities such as geneticengineering, human trafficking,

(24:11):
and fostering global chaos.
They possess advancedtechnologies such as shape
shifting, telepathy,interdimensional travel, and
cloaking, and operate fromextensive underground bases on
Earth.
So that's the Anunnaki andDraconians.

Josh (24:27):
Okay.
So Draconians, like I grew up,they are featured very much in
this fantasy series, theDragonlands Chronic Chronicles
by Margaret Weiss and TraceAikman.
They're like the bad guys.
Okay.
Or like the army of bad guys.
They breathe fire, they spitacid, they can blow out ice,
whatever, like cold breath.
They're like lizard people.

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So I I mean they're prettystrong.
I mean so I naturally alignwith all the peacemakers.
So hearing draconians, they'rethe villains of space, it seems
like.
And I don't like that.
Is villainy advantageous in afight?
And I think it is.

Jordan (25:05):
This is sounding very Hufflepuff of you, Josh.

Josh (25:08):
I know.
Like you gotta think like who'sgoing to win in a fight?
Do you want somebody who'sgonna come up and shake your
hand and fight fair?
Or do you want someone who'sgonna spit in your face with
acid and then kick you in theding-dong?
And that's what draconians aregonna do.
Yeah, they like ding-dongs.
They love a ding-dong.
We're talking about the hostesstreats.
Yeah, that was where I wasgone.
I mean, the Anunnaki for Earth,they were very important.

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Yeah.
They do have teleportation andtelepathy, right?
The Anunnaki?
Uh huh.
Yeah.
It's pretty good.
That is good.
You can't hit a nut if theykeep teleporting.
That's right.
They keep teleporting rightbehind.
But if you hit them with acidor you blow fire at them.
But what if I mean it feelslike the Anunnaki would I can't
say that.
I was gonna say they'd havepeople backing them.

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Yeah.
And the draconians probablywouldn't have that as much.
They're kind of like the notesis like they are a very
bureaucratic, rule-followinggroup of aliens.
So that's where they would comeup and shake your hand and say,
like, it's gonna be a fairfight.
And we're like, this is afucking cage match.
There's no fairness in thiswhatsoever.
If it comes down to like a fistfight, I think the draconians

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would win.
Okay.
I mean it's sad because I likethis Anunnaki.
That's fine.
You can like them, but you canstill like them.
That doesn't take away fromtheir nobility and who they are.
We're talking about fuckingcage fight.
Okay, I'll go draconian.
I just don't like them.
They're evil.
But yes, they are evil.
They're the bad guys in thisfantasy series.

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They're bad, but that makesthem good in a fight.
Because they don't give a shit.
They're dirty.
They're dirty.
Okay.

Jordan (26:42):
Alright, so we've got the draconians winning against
the Anunnaki.
Next up, we have the Watchersversus Nomo.
So the Watchers, they aretowering, luminous
extraterrestrials, oftenmistaken for angels in ancient
texts like the Book of Enoch.
Originally sent to observehumanity, some rebelled and

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shared forbidden knowledge,leading to the creation of
hybrid offspring known as theNiflum.
They're described as humanoidbut distinctly unearthly, with
glowing skin, radiant eyes, andsometimes energy-based wings or
halos.
Believed to possess advancedtechnology and telepathic
abilities, the watchers maystill monitor Earth during times
of crisis.
Modern theories connect them tothe Anunnaki, Lyrans, or

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Breakaway Alien Council knownfor guiding or judging humanity.
Next up we have Nomo.
The Gnomo.

Josh (27:35):
Oh, these guys are worthless.

Jordan (27:38):
The Nomo are aquatic amphibious beings, originating
from Sirius B and Sirius C, wholater settled on the water
world, Xalanthea, after fleeingthe Orion Alliance.
They are described as atowering seven to ten feet tall
with iridescent,semi-translucent skin and
melodic speech.
Revered for their spiritualwisdom and advanced
technological knowledge, theyare known as masters of the

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waters and are deeply connectedto the element of water.
The gnomos had close relationswith the Syrian leaders of
Nibiru and are linked toAtlantis and mermaid myths, or
as preservers or divineknowledge after planetary
cataclysms.
They are also credited withseeding Earth's dolphins and
continue to protect ancientAtlantean knowledge from beneath

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the sea.
So picture a fish head on ahuman body.

Josh (28:25):
So before this started, I was texting Josh about what sort
of venue or arena are we goingto be fighting in?
It's going to be a water arenafor this.
The watchers aren't going tohave the watchers are like
fucking angels.
Like they don't have birds.
They have wings.

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Yeah, they can't.
That's not going to do.
I mean, some birds can swimreally well though.
No, for sure.
Like they dive though.
And a lot of birds do huntfish.
So that could be a pretty goodfight.
It would be a fascinatingfight.
It would be actuallyfascinating.
But if they're like the theNephilim, like that is a
terrifying look.
That's like the all-eyes, orbylooking, like winged things that

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are so hor horrific that youcan't even look at them.
Well, and having telepathy,maybe they can predict where
these fishmen are gonna be.
So I look at Nomo the same wayI look at like Aquaman.
It's like the dumbest superlike early Aquaman.
I mean cartoon Aquaman.
Yeah.
Early comic like Silver Age,Golden Age, Aquaman.

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Okay.
Where you're just like, okay,this isn't a fucking fish
problem, so why are we eventalking to you about this?
Like ocean pollution, great,we'll talk to you about that.
But now Aquaman in like neweriterations, he's as strong, if
not stronger, than Superman.
Because he has to fightunderwater and whatever.
Anyway, I look at the GNOMEkind of like that.
Yeah, it's like Aquaman versusDoctor Strange.

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Yes.
Or like any other land basedthing.
So like We agree on thewatchers.
Yeah, we agree on watchers.
So, like for I'm good withthat.
The nomos I have in my notes,strengths was water, cons were
land.
Yeah.
I like the watchers a lot.

Jordan (30:13):
Actually, technically, wouldn't the watchers be land
and air?

Josh (30:16):
Oh, that's true.
Yeah.
I mean, they've they dominatetwo of the three things that we
see.
And potentially diving downinto water.
So I guess this raises thequestion like, is this fight on
Earth where we have those threevenues?
Water, earth, and air?
Yeah.
We didn't really talk about thevenue, or is this going to be
in like a white space where allthings being even, you just come

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with whatever you have.
The matrix white space.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like if you're a water person,then you swim through this white
space and you have the sameabilities that you would in the
water.
That's a good concept.
Yeah, I think the watcherswould win.
I think the watchers would win.

Jordan (30:51):
Okay, so the watchers won against the Nomo.
So how are the Watchers goingto do against the Draconians?

Josh (30:59):
I feel like the Watchers have an ancient, deep knowledge.
Okay.
And I feel like the Draconianswouldn't want to fuck with them
because the Watchers are kind ofknown as like the judgers of
space and Draconians.

Jordan (31:13):
Almost like angels versus demons.

Josh (31:15):
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah.
And the angels always win?
Question mark.
Okay, sure.
I think that for me, likedraconians are very
battle-oriented.
And I feel like the watchers,just like given the name, they
are more observant.
So they're going to watch howthe draconians have progressed
through this and maybe learn alittle bit, where draconians are

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just like punch you in theding-dong, spit fire in your
face, I'm going to throw acid atyour legs and try to freeze
you.
And the watchers are going tolike try to plan against that.
So I think the watchers.
Draconians are going to pocketsand you.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's like the guy in Bloodsportthat throws sand in Jean-Claude
Van Damme's eyes and he's blindand he's just like, oh my God.
That's draconians very much.
Oh yeah.

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But I think the watchers wouldhave seen that coming.
Exactly.
So I put watchers overdraconians.
I do too.

Jordan (32:04):
Wow, and a surprising upset.

Josh (32:06):
I also feel as though good always.
Oh boy, here we go.
Never mind.
You may be insecure about it.

Jordan (32:13):
All right, we are moving on to the infiltrators.
First up, we have the Grays.
Everyone knows the Grays.
The Grays are the classicalien, originating from star
systems like Zeta Reticulli orthe Orion constellation.
They are possibly cloned,synthetic, or hive-minded, and

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are commonly depicted as havinggray skin, large black eyes, and
slender, elongated heads,ranging from small drone types
to more intelligent, tall grays.
They are primarily associatedwith abductions, medical
experiments, and hybridizationprograms.
Their motives often involveddominating and assimilating
other species through geneticand psychological manipulation.

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The grays are believed topossess advanced
interdimensional travelcapabilities and often operate
from secret underground bases onEarth, with some factions
rumored to have treaties withhuman governments for technology
exchange.
And they are going up againstthe Ebans.
Similar, but the same picture?

Josh (33:16):
They look the same.
They're similar, but a littledifferent.
We're at the Is that racist tosay same star system?
It is a little bit likespecies, yes.
Okay.

Jordan (33:27):
So here's where they're a little different.
So the Ebens are anextraterrestrial species
originating from Zeta reticuli,known for their role in an
alleged exchange program withthe U.S.
government.
They are described as small,brown, or gray-skinned beings
with large black eyes, anadvanced communal society based
on peace, science, andtelepathic communication.

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Ebens are said to live longlives and value order,
cooperation, and emotionalharmony with little focus on
individualism.
Their technology includesinterstellar travel, biological
engineering, and environmentalcontrol systems.
Though elusive, they're oftenportrayed as benevolent
observers and participants inEarth's alien contact history.

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So they're a little bitdifferent.
They're the same, butdifferent.

Josh (34:13):
They're also like tricksters, right?

Jordan (34:15):
The Ebens?

Josh (34:16):
No, sorry, the Greys.

Jordan (34:17):
Yeah.

Josh (34:17):
So Greys, I was thinking about this.
They're really popular.

Jordan (34:21):
Yeah.

Josh (34:21):
They're like the mugsy bugs of aliens.
The little guys that couldcompete with the tall guys.
Yeah, and the spudware.
They're not the best.
They're just real popular.
Yeah.
They're quick, they're talentedin whatever they do.
But they might have someshortcomings.
They do.
And I think the thing thatpulls me away is the hive-like

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mindset.
So I think that raises a goodquestion when we're talking
about these fights, right?
Are we talking aboutone-on-one, alien versus alien?
I hadn't thought of that.
If the grays don't have anindividual, if they are a hive
that could give them the benefitof the doubt.
Like one ant, sure, squish it.
Mm-hmm.
Easy.
If you're pinned down on amound of ants, it is good night

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to you.
Yeah.
What are the things in Gulver'sTravels that took down Gulover?
The little people?
Liliputians.
Liliputians?
Yeah.
Like little hive mind people.
Okay.
I haven't seen that in forever.
Well, it's a book by uhJonathan Swift.
That's why I meant I haven'tseen the book.
I think there's a movie withJack Black in it.

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There is.
Yeah.
I yeah, I mean the Hive, Idon't know, but the Ebens, they
also said that they don't reallyfocus on individualism.
So maybe that is not absolutecontrolled in a Hive mind.
It would be potentially groupversus group.
But that's what I'm asking.
Are we talking in this fight?
In this particular fight, Ithink we would have to go group

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in group.
So we're looking at like ahundred bears versus a thousand
men type thing.
Yeah.
I'm gonna go with the Ebens.
I'll go with the Ebens too.
I don't really care for alittle gray man.
I just think they're a bunch oflittle shitheads.
They're so popular that theykind of feel like sell-outs.
They're popular.
I I always picture them as likethe guy that just pops up in
the Jetsons.

(36:08):
Yeah, I agree.

Jordan (36:10):
All right.
Ebens.
Now we're moving on to themantids versus the tall whites.
The mantids.
Picture a tall humanoid prayingmantis.

Josh (36:23):
Or like Zorak from Space Ghost Coast to Coast.

Jordan (36:27):
Yeah.
So they are primarilyassociated with abductions and
genetic experimentation, oftenacting as overseers or
supervisors of smaller grayaliens, and are seen as cold,
calculating, intelligent, andefficient.
These beings can telepathicallyextract information from human
minds, manipulate perception,and paralyze individuals.

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So while their exact origin isunknown, some accounts link them
to the Draco Star System or theSombrero Galaxy.

Josh (36:55):
Nice.
It's like a hat.

Jordan (36:56):
And they are believed to occupy a high position in the
alien hierarchy due to theiradvanced technology, including
cloaking and mind controlcapabilities.
Ancient civilizationsworldwide, such as the Khoisin
and early Egyptians, depictedmantis-headed figures suggesting
a long historical presence orinfluence on Earth.
So that's the mantids.

Josh (37:18):
Love them.

Jordan (37:19):
So they're going against the tall little butt weirdos.

Josh (37:22):
Yeah, they are.

Jordan (37:22):
And the tall whites are pretty much exactly what you
would expect.
They're similar to thePleiadians or the Nordics,
except their hair is like verywhite.
They're seven to ten feet tall,pale-skinned humanoids with
white blonde hair and blue eyesthat can later turn pink, like a
bunny.
They are believed to originatefrom a hotter, larger planet
where they live naturallyunderground and reportedly

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maintain hidden bases in Nevadaand on the moon.
Generally peaceful, theirmotives include diplomatic
relations, observation, andtechnology exchange, allegedly
having treaties with governmentslike the US for mutual benefit,
though they are wary ofhumanity's developing psychic
abilities.
They possess advancedtechnologies for healing, energy
manipulation, interdimensionaltravel, and can shape shift into

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human form, sometimes appearingas men in black.

Josh (38:10):
Ooh.
Fuck these guys, because I donot like them.
Every version that I've read,they seem very racist.
Like they are I mean, with aname like that.
I mean, well, we gave them thatname too.
I guess that's true.
They're like, well, we're talland we're white.
Yeah, I wonder what all thesealiens call themselves.
Good question.
Because like in some texts,it's not called Earth, it's

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called Gaia.
Yeah.
Just depends on the context.
Mm-hmm.
I mean, the mandates would win,right?
100%.
I think mandates should win.
Yeah.
And they got that managerattitude.
And like a band leader attitudewhere they're just like sassy
and they're like giving spaceghosts a bunch of shit.
Well, they they're the onesthat are often in the
spacecrafts with the Grays.

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Yeah.
They're managed.
We saw the Astral Travel video.
It was like mantids that werebehind the keyboards.
Yeah.

Jordan (39:00):
Yep.

Josh (39:01):
Mantids all the way.
Mantids all the way.

Jordan (39:03):
So mantids win against tall whites.
Now we're gonna pit the Ebensagainst the Mantids.

Josh (39:11):
I mean, I'm going mantids.
I think mantids too.
I like the little weird bugguys.

Jordan (39:16):
Yeah.
I think that's probably prettyobvious.
No upset there.
All right, let's move on to thewild cards.

Josh (39:23):
Oh my goodness.

Jordan (39:25):
First up, this is my favorite category.
Oh my gosh, I'm so excited.
Okay.
First up, we have little greenmen, which you may remember from
the Kelly Hopkinsvilleencounter.
Yeah.
So little green men, smallgoblin-like extraterrestrials,
where witnesses describedglowing green creatures with
large, pointy ears, oversizedhands, and the ability to float

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or deflect.
Like carnies.
Like carnies.
Although never definitivelyproven, the incident became one
of the most publicized andinfluential UFO cases in
American history, and theirdistinct appearance and eerie
behavior helped shape thepopular image of aliens in
mid-20th century media,particularly in comic books,
pulp fiction, and sciencefiction films.
Over time, little green menbecame a blanket term for

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extraterrestrial beings in popculture, despite actual witness
descriptions often lacking thegreen skin.

Josh (40:15):
Hmm.

Jordan (40:16):
Alright.
They are going against Negamoc.

Josh (40:20):
Yeah.
Holy fuck.
Yeah.

Jordan (40:23):
So if you have seen Independence Day, apparently the
aliens in Independence Day werebased on the Negamoc.

Josh (40:32):
Yeah, it looks exactly.
But they are much smaller.

Jordan (40:36):
So the Negamock slash Independence Day.

Josh (40:38):
Oh yeah, no, this, yeah, in Independence Day, they're
small.
This one is huge.
Or it's to scale, maybeeverything around them is very
tiny.

Jordan (40:48):
Okay, so the Negamoc slash Nomopo are highly advanced
and enigmatic alien species,believed by some to originate
from a deep aquatic or entirelynon-terrestrial realm.
Often described as havingbiomechanical exoskeletons with
squid or cephalopod-likeappearance, they are both
telepathic and telekinetic, withan intense presence that

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overwhelms most humancontactees.
Unlike more benevolent species,the Negamog are considered a
cosmic enigma, neither clearlyhostile nor friendly, but
operating with motives that areincomprehensible to human
understanding.
Some researchers suggest thatthey are ancient beings involved
in maintaining galactic balanceor safeguarding forbidden

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knowledge.
Their infrequent appearancesand overwhelming psychic energy
have cemented them as one of themost unsettling and powerful
species in alien lore.
So these against the littlegreen men.

Josh (41:46):
I mean, it's going to be the Negamok 100%.
In my notes, though, uh, thisis where my original bracket, I
just got lazy and I was justlike, uh, whatever it's called,
Gnome.

Jordan (41:58):
Gnomopo is the other.

Josh (42:00):
I was like, well, they're fucking gnome, so they could be
easily squished, like under alittle green man.
They're smaller than that.
But now seeing this, I'm like,oh shit.
It's nightmare fuel.
I feel like if they didn't fuckwith John Wick, everything
would have been fine.
Sure.
He's a good guy.
Yeah.
But someone fucked with him.
And I think if anyone fuckswith these guys, they're dead.

(42:21):
Just guaranteed.
I don't know.
Will Smith punches one in theface and says, Welcome to Earth,
motherfucker.
Yeah, but he was just anaccident.
No, they def I mean theydefeated the ID4 aliens.
Well, when he punched him inthe face, it was right after the
ship crashed.
Yeah.
He bested them in a sky battle,Josh.
A sky battle.

(42:41):
But it's also Will Smith.
He's known for slapping peoplein the face.
Yeah.
Right.
That's what he's known for now.
That's what he's known for now.
Yeah, sadly.
Yeah, I'm going 100% withNegamock.
Negamock.
Yep.

Jordan (42:56):
All right.
Now we have blue avians versusshadow beings.
So blue avians, they're ahigher-dimensional, bird-like
extraterrestrial with tall,slender bodies and radiant blue
feathers, often described asexuding calm and spiritual
wisdom.
They communicate exclusivelythrough telepathy using complex

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thought forms and symbols toconvey deep messages about
peace, ascension, and unity.
Believed to be part of abenevolent alliance known as a
sphere-being alliance, theyserve as guardians of cosmic
balance and advisors to humanityduring times of spiritual
transition.
Blue avians are said to havelimited direct contact with
Earth, appearing mainly tochosen individuals like

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whistleblowers or channelers toguide human evolution.
Their image and teachings havehad a significant influence on
modern metaphysical circleswhere they are seen as symbols
of higher consciousness andintergalactic harmony.
Isn't that nice?

Josh (43:51):
It is nice.

Jordan (43:52):
All right, let's move on to shadow beings.
Shadow beings on ham aredescribed as dark humanoid
silhouettes that lack distinctfacial features and often appear
as fleeting figures inperipheral vision.
Unlike traditionalextraterrestrials, they are
thought to originate frominterdimensional realms rather
than physical space, existingjust outside the visible

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spectrum of human perception.
Encounters with shadow beingsare often associated with sleep
paralysis, fear, and a sense ofmalevolence, though their true
intentions remain unclear.
Some researchers theorize thatthere may be scouts, watchers,
or psychic parasites that feedon emotional energy or study
human behavior from beyond theveil.

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Their persistent presence inglobal folklore and modern
paranormal reports has elevatedthem to a chilling icon of
alien-like encounters that defyeasy classification.
So blue avians versus shadowbeings.

Josh (44:48):
So blue avians, I don't know if you played Zelda, but
there's like a group of peoplethere called the Rito.
That's kind of like if you werewanting to picture all my Zelda
nerds out there, picture theRito, that's kind of what the
blue avians look like.
They're like bird people.
They walk on two legs, theydon't have arms, they have
wings, they flap around, live inaviaries.
Yeah, blue avians.

(45:08):
This is hard because shadowbeings is there a physical form.
Okay, so I am going to give youa devastating piece of
information that might sway itto shadow people.
Okay.
If you are a bird person andyou're flying in the air, what
do you cast on the ground?
A fucking giant shadow.
Well, de yes, but also a giantshadow.

(45:32):
Okay.
So I think that will play intothe shadow being's strengths.
But do you think the shadowbeings it's not like Peter Pan
where the shadow beings are yourshadow?
It's I don't know what theyare.
They appear usually inperipherals.
It's not like you're seeingyour shadow.
They are glimpses into anotherdimension.
That doesn't change myargument.

Jordan (45:51):
Well, and there's a lot of reports of people seeing like
Hat Man who is a shadow being.

Josh (45:55):
Oh yeah.

Jordan (45:56):
Yeah.

Josh (45:56):
But I just I don't think, from my knowledge, which I don't
know a lot, I don't thinkshadow beings have hurt anyone.
So Jordan, do you know?

Jordan (46:05):
I think that people have been like emotionally hurt or
like traumatized from waking up.
Because you hear all thesesleep paralysis stories where
people can't move and they seelike a shadow thing over them.
And who knows what they'redoing.
But if they're like energyvampires and they're stealing
your energy, what if they justlike zap the energy of like the
blue avians?

Josh (46:24):
Or what if it's that they have cloaking but they can't
cloak their shadow?
Whoa.
Yeah.
Or they could uh scare theavians.
I mean, birds are they getspooked.
Yeah, flighty.
Yeah, they are.
So what's your final answer?
Three, two, one, shadow beings.
You didn't answer.
I know, I'm a countdown.

(46:46):
I know.
It made me panic.
Uh I'm gonna say shadow beingstoo, because I feel like the
blue avians wouldn't be able tohurt them.
That's okay.
Yep.
Right?
Yeah, and if shadow beingscan't be hurt, but maybe can
hurt, even through trauma, Ithink that wins.
Yeah.
Well, that leads to this nextbattle.

Jordan (47:05):
Which is a little crazy.
So that means that now we haveNegumok versus the Shadow
Beings.

Josh (47:15):
Oh my god.
I think I have I think I haveshadow beings going all the way.

Jordan (47:22):
Really?
What?

Josh (47:23):
I don't think so.
No.

Jordan (47:25):
That surprises me.

Josh (47:26):
Yeah.
Well, I didn't have Negamok onmy original bracket.

Jordan (47:29):
Yeah, this is a true wild card.

Josh (47:30):
I feel like the Negamock because they because Shadow
Beings are like so ethereal andlike weird, there's not a lot of
information about them.
So I defer to like them justwinning.
Well, and there's not a lot ofinformation about the Negamock
either.

Jordan (47:45):
Apparently, the Draconians are really fearful of
the Negamock.

Josh (47:49):
Yeah, I mean So they're powerful.
If the Shadow Beings are anenergy-based between realms, the
Negamok is known for having anenergy that everything is afraid
of.
So it's potential that theshadow beings would be like,
nope, not gonna fuck with that.
And having telepathic andtelekinetic abilities, if

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they're able to go through, Imean, if they have forbidden
knowledge and they're able touse telekinetic abilities
between different realms, thatwould be a game changer.
So who do you have?
Who do you have?
Who's your guys?
I'm going with the negumok.
Okay.
Versus shadow beings.
Yes.
Okay.
100%.
I'm not 100% on shadow beings.

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I mean, if if we want, we canroll a dice, but I'm not that
committed to shadow beings.
I like the negumok.
I think that they're verycompelling and like they cast a
striking image in AI.
Like they are incredible tolook at.
And they're not aggressive, butthey're not not aggressive.
They're just kind of Oh man.
I mean, if we're gonna likecopy and paste onto the ID4

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aliens, they're very aggressive.
They blew up the fuckingcapital.
There were people that were ontop of a building welcoming
them, and they shot a laser downand killed everybody.
Like that is aggressive asfuck.
That's as aggressive as itgets.
That's that wasn't real.
That's what none of these arereal.
That's the thing.
Like, this is all sciencefiction.
Oh my goodness.

(49:16):
None of these are real.
We are arguing over things thatnobody can prove.
This is all science fictionthought exercise.
This took a dirty turn.
No, it didn't.
This took the exact turn thatit was meant to take.

Jordan (49:27):
All right.
So we're going negamock?

Josh (49:29):
Yeah.
Yes.

Jordan (49:30):
Okay.

Josh (49:31):
I need to take a break.
Do you?
You got worked up?
Oh man.
Okay.
All right, we're back.
Uh, sorry about that.
Uh Travis kept yelling and hestarted so worked up, and I feel
like I misrepresented myself.
Yeah, uh, we're gonna have todefinitely find a different
place to record.
I had a chip for that.

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I tore almost the entire studioapart.
Yeah.
Bookshelves on the ground,cushions on the couch are
upturned.
I was upset.
And I'm sorry, I apologize.

Jordan (50:01):
There's just feathers floating everywhere.

Josh (50:04):
Yeah, we're just kind of settling in the madness right
now.
Yeah.
But we're in the final fournow.
Let's do it.

Jordan (50:11):
All right, so in our final four, we have Andromedons,
the Watchers, Mantids, andNegamok.
So, first up, let's pit theAndromedons and the Watchers
against each other.

Josh (50:26):
Okay.

Jordan (50:27):
Do we need a refresh on these or are we good?

Josh (50:30):
I think we're good.
Okay.
I don't know.
Listeners, what do you think?
Wait in the comments.
I mean, it's kind of the samething, the Andromedons, but
they're not work, dude.
But that's the thing.
I'm worried because they're notaggressive.
They don't they they don't haveto be aggressive to win.
They got all their powers bynot being aggressive.

(50:51):
They used their energy to learnand hone their energy.
I feel like if they gotaggressive, they would lose some
of their power.
Go on.
And they may not win.
If they get so angry and theiremotions and their frontal lobes
take over that they may not beable to dip into the realm of

(51:15):
time and space.
They don't have to.
I think the Andromedans areoverpowered.
I think Andromedans, for me,win it because of their ability
to manipulate space and time.
They can fight a thousandbattles until it wins, and
nobody knows that they lost 999of those.
All that we're concerned withis the one.

(51:36):
And it also depends on how muchthey can time travel.
You know, if they can do it athousand times in a second, then
yeah, they would win.
If they know that your punch iscoming.
They they have wormhole power.
The ability to manipulate thething.
Is that for them individuallyor their technology and their
ships?
I don't know.
That's part of their theirlore.

(51:56):
What do you mean individually?
Do they need a group of people?
Can they phase individually inbetween realms?
That's what I'm wondering.
If they can just they can bendspace and time to their will.
What can the watchers do?
I might need to refresh on thewatchers.
Watch.
Learn.

(52:17):
They can watch and learn, sure.
But they're doing that in realtime.

Jordan (52:21):
So the Watchers, they are the extraterrestrials that
are often mistaken for angels inthe book of Enoch.
I feel like there wouldn't be afight.
They also have advancedtechnology and telepathic
abilities.
And it says that they may stillmonitor Earth during times of
crisis, but I don't think thatthey really do much.

Josh (52:40):
So I don't think this would be a physical fight.
I think this would be like aconversational or energy fight.
And it would be probably theAndromedans that would win in
that kind of fight.
I feel like the Andromedansbeing able to live a very long
time, being at peace to be ableto control their energy and all
that stuff.
I think that they they won upin a conversation fight.

(53:01):
They have peace on their side.
They're fighting for peace.
I mean, that's my fact.
That's what we do here inAmerica.
Yeah, I don't think there'sgonna be fists thrown in this.
Wait, what?
They're fighting for that'sthey're fighting for peace.
Yeah.
So you agree, but for differentreasons?

(53:22):
Or just all reasons?
That's fine.
I'll take it.

Jordan (53:25):
All right, Andromedans.

Josh (53:27):
Man.

Jordan (53:27):
Here's the mantids versus the Negumok.

Josh (53:32):
Now, this is where it gets really interesting.

Jordan (53:34):
Yeah.

Josh (53:34):
Oh yeah.

Jordan (53:36):
So we have the infiltrators versus the wild
card.

Josh (53:39):
A bloodbath.
This is gonna be a knockdowndrag out fight.
This is long.
Yeah.
Uh it's gonna get gross.
What are you what are youthinking?
I I for me, I mean thinking thenegumoch.
Okay.
Just right off the bat, justgut instinct.
But I mean I'm thinking hugemanted.
I'm thinking mantids justbecause like mantids are like

(54:01):
the kings of the bug world.
Well, that's the thing is bugswhen it comes to like energy and
they eat their own mates, likethey don't fuck around.
No, they don't.
But if you look at any animalor insect or anything, there is
a leader, there's a strongenergy force.
Like if a dog runs into a wolf,the dog is gonna know that that

(54:24):
wolf is in charge.
That's the alpha.
And I feel like the negumok isthe alpha in most scenarios, and
mantids being insects, I thinkthey're more susceptible to
energy than some of these otherthings that maybe aren't
something similar that we'd seeon Earth.

Jordan (54:42):
They can also paralyze individuals.

Josh (54:44):
There you go, which is pretty cool.
I think the mantids are prettycool, man.
Yeah, they I mean, absolutely.
I'm not saying one is not cool.
I'm just I'm just sayingthey're both cool.
They're both cool.
I think as far as likecutthroat ability and in a
fight, I for me it's manted.
I just go back to the John Wickthing.

(55:04):
Like, if there's an assassinthat's known for paralysis and
they fuck with John Wick, JohnWick's gonna kill him.
Doesn't matter what techniquesor advantages are oh I'm a
sharpshooter, I'm a all thesedifferent things, you know.

Jordan (55:15):
Ooh, the negumock are also telekinetic.
So does the mantid alsoparalyze like a telekinetic
power?

Josh (55:23):
I guess it comes to a quick draw.
The mantids are pretty fast, orpraying mantises that we know
of.
So I mean, if the negumoc, Imean, because if they have
telekinesis, they can move theirenemy.
Right.
But if you're paralyzed, doesthat ability still exist?
I don't I don't think so.
Like when your body's asleep,does your mind still have
capabilities?

(55:43):
Yeah, I think it does.
Look at Professor Xavier, he'sparalyzed.
Right, he's he's paralyzed.
But he's still he still doeshis thing.
He does.
We got it.
Okay.
Uh yeah.
Okay.
So you are saying negamok.
Negumock.
Okay, that's fine.

Jordan (56:04):
All right.
So for the ultimate title, wehave Andromedons versus Negamok.
This is the final battle, thefinal showdown.

Josh (56:16):
Okay, argue for your guys, Josh.
My my guys are the Andromedons.
This is wild because this wouldnever happen.
Maybe.
This would you don't think thiswould ever happen?
You don't think aliens putthemselves in a bracket and
fight to the death?
Well, I know that to find theultimate winner.
But I'm saying these two comingtogether.
Aliens uh reference the song.
So the one thing that I thinkthe Negamak have in their corner

(56:41):
is ancient knowledge.
Forbidden techniques, call it.
I mean, the Andromedaans haveancient knowledge too.
They live for 4,000 plus years.
Maybe.
What do you mean, maybe?
We've talked about thatthroughout this whole show.
What do you mean, maybe?
They definitely have like myknowledge, but they are all
about you just want the shirt.

(57:01):
Argue for the shirt, Josh.
Travis brought a shirt for thewinner.
The shirt as a prize.
But he doesn't want the shirt,so I just want to get rid of a
shirt.
Doesn't even matter.
I argue for my guys.
I know in my heart theAndromedons are gonna win, but I
will concede Negumok.
I think when it comes to thesetwo, the Negamok are superior.

(57:26):
I think they have an ancientpre-Andromedons because
Andromedans came from theLyrians.
So you are really hung up ontheir origin, and I will always
say we create to make the nextgeneration better.
And that is the case with theAndromedans.
They are so fucking overpoweredas far as like skill set across

(57:49):
all of these species becausethey can manipulate space-time.
That is a like superpower.
This would definitely be, Ibelieve, a Superman versus
Superman situation.
If Superman could manipulatespace-time, yes.
So Superman versus Flash.
If this Flash hits the speedforce, sure.
But Superman and Superman 2flew backwards.

(58:11):
He went so fast around theEarth, he spun the Earth
backwards and brought Lois Laneback.
So you're going with Andromeda.
100% Andromedons.

Jordan (58:21):
Like the Andromedons are kind of like Vision.

Josh (58:24):
Yeah, yeah.
Or Martian Manhunter on the DCside, but Martian Manhunter
couldn't manipulate space-time.

Jordan (58:30):
Who would the Negamok be?

Josh (58:31):
The ID4 guys.
Magneto.
Or like maybe a xenomorph.
The telekinesis and mindcontrol.
Maybe, but Magneto is onlymanipulating metal.
But this one can manipulateanything.
Yes.

Jordan (58:44):
So it's kind of like physical manipulation versus
time and space manipulation.

Josh (58:49):
And I think there's no contest.
If you can manipulate time,that's it.
Like you can move items aroundin a room, but if you can go
back in time to remove thoseitems from a room, that defeats
the argument.

Jordan (59:00):
And you could do like the sneak attack thing to like
shoot something through them,but the other person has
precognition, right?
So it's hard.

Josh (59:08):
I'm gonna say the Negamuk.
I have a gut feeling, andthat's that.
Okay, you win the shirt.
Well, you say Andromeda.
I'd say Andromeda 100%.
I don't think that there's anyargument at all that can defeat
the Andromedans because they'reso overpowered.
So But it for the winner iswhat you're saying.

(59:29):
Or we roll a dice.

Jordan (59:30):
I was gonna say we go to a tiebreaker.

Josh (59:32):
We go to a tiebreaker, which is Jordan.
Who's our referee?
Who portrayed their side thebest?
Now keep in mind there's ashirt involved.
I don't live in this house.
I don't have to face anyfallout from this decision.
I'm just gonna be here probablythe next week.

Jordan (59:50):
You know, I'm just gonna do this from a completely
objective, unbiased position.

Josh (59:56):
Remember your roots.

Jordan (59:58):
I really think the Andromeda.
Would win in that battle.

Josh (01:00:02):
I'm out.
Okay.
I'll be a good sport.
I'll be a good sport.
It's no feathers off my back.
I got into the avians a littlebit.

Jordan (01:00:14):
Maybe that's your star seed.

Josh (01:00:15):
I thought the Anunnaki were gonna be your guys, yeah.
Because you talked about theAnunnaki from like the very
first episode.

Jordan (01:00:21):
They're pretty cool.

Josh (01:00:22):
Yeah, they from what I know, they're pretty important.

Jordan (01:00:25):
So the Andromedons.

Josh (01:00:27):
Andromedons win it all.

Jordan (01:00:28):
Woo! Not gonna lie, I'm surprised.

Josh (01:00:38):
I felt like that's a personal victory for me.

Jordan (01:00:40):
Woo!

Josh (01:00:42):
Well, I'll give you one.
Okay, so as promised.
Yeah, what did AI come up with?
That's interesting.
What AI did really quick.
It's probably the Negumak, justsaying.
Because this version isdifferent.
Left side of the bracket wasthe peacemaker.
So AI has Arcturians versusAndromedans.
They would lean towards moreArcturians, so Arcturians win

(01:01:04):
that.
I know, I know, right?
Yeah.
The Pleiadians slash Nordicsversus the Lyrans.
They have the Pleiadianswinning.
Wow.
Okay.
Under the peacemakers,Arcturians over the Pleiadians.
Okay.
So Arcturians win thepeacemaker.
The Ancients.
Anunnaki versus Draconian.

(01:01:25):
They have the Anunnaki winning.
Interesting.
Syrians versus Gnomos.
They have the Syrians.
They're frequently associatedwith advanced knowledge and
ancient wisdom, making themstrong contenders against the
Gnomos.
But we didn't have that.
We had the Watchers.
We switched it up.
The ancients, they have theAnunnaki winning.
I I want to say anything wouldbeat the Noma.
Yeah, the Nomos suck.
They suck.
Yeah.

(01:01:46):
I mean, I'm sure they're great,but as far as like they're
probably really cool guys.
Yeah, they're probably cool.
They're probably a really coolhang.
Yeah.
Ancient.
Like Dolphin.
I just want to fuck all thetime.
Maybe.
Yeah, I think so.
Water people are weird.
But not that weird.
Uh, but they have the Anunnakiwinning over the Watchers.
Um, left side, final would beAnunnaki over Arcturians.

(01:02:08):
Wait.
That's like the final on thatside.
So it's Anunnaki.
The right side of the bracket.
We have infiltrators.
Originally we had Greys versusReptilians.
This one we have Greys versusthe Ebans.
This has the Reptilianswinning.
So that throws this bracketoff.
Yeah.
Mantids versus tall whites.
They have the tall whiteswinning.
Whoa, interesting.
I know that's wild.

(01:02:28):
Infiltrator semifinal.
Reptilians, they have over thetall whites.
So reptilians winning there.
Wild cards.
That's little green men.
We have Negamok here.
Um, they have Little Green Men.
What?
I know it's wild.
Blue avian versus shadowbeings.
They have the blue avianswinning.

Jordan (01:02:47):
Interesting.
Wow.

Josh (01:02:49):
The semifinal would be now between blue avians and little
green men.
They have blue avians winning.
Oh.
So it'd be blue avians versusreptilians.
And they have reptilianswinning.

Jordan (01:03:00):
Wow.
Oh.

Josh (01:03:01):
So now we're at Anunnaki versus Reptilians.

Jordan (01:03:05):
Classic pairing.

Josh (01:03:07):
They have the Anunnaki winning overall.

Jordan (01:03:10):
Dang.

Josh (01:03:10):
Wow.
That's very interesting.
Wild.

Jordan (01:03:13):
Yeah.

Josh (01:03:13):
We were nothing near that, but I think ours is more
accurate.
I feel like ours was prettygood.
Suck it, AI.
Yeah.
What do you know?
Well, cool.
This was super fun.
This was fun.
If you guys like this, let usknow.
Uh huh.

Jordan (01:03:26):
Tap the text show link in the show notes.

Josh (01:03:28):
Yep.
It'd be nice to have like someof these images of like all the
aliens in our show notes or likea link to all of the we'll have
an image of all the aliens inthe chapter markers of the
episode.

Jordan (01:03:40):
So if you use a podcast player that shows chapter
images, you can actually seeeach of the ones that we're
discussing.

Josh (01:03:46):
Can we do the descriptions with them as well?

Jordan (01:03:49):
No.

Josh (01:03:49):
Sorry, guys.
You'll just have to listen, Iguess.

Jordan (01:03:53):
That's what the transcript's for.

Josh (01:03:55):
So we've had Jordan on our show.
Jordan, is there anything youwant to push or promote?
Anything you want to talkabout?

Jordan (01:04:01):
Nope.

Josh (01:04:02):
Anything that I'm doing in the house that is making you
upset.
Yeah.

Jordan (01:04:06):
Well, a couple things.

Josh (01:04:10):
Okay.
Maybe, maybe that wasn't a goodidea.

Jordan (01:04:12):
Yeah.
No, thanks you guys for lettingme do this with you.
It was really fun to just playa game, basically, on a podcast
episode and kind of introducethe alien species in a fun,
gamified way.
So I'm I'm super excited thatwe did this.

Josh (01:04:28):
Yeah, it's an easy way to learn.
I'm gonna remember all of thesenow.

Jordan (01:04:31):
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.

Josh (01:04:32):
Well, cool.
Well, we want to thank you inperson too.
Thank you.
Thank you very much.
Not in person a lot.
You're the venturoquist to ourdummies.
Yeah.
We wouldn't have been able todo this without you.
I mean, we would.
It would just suck.
100%.
You'd be able to do it.
We could.
We can do anything.
It would just be terrible.
Yeah.
Well, thank you.
Jordan's gonna dip out.

Jordan (01:04:53):
Yep.
I'm gonna send you the baselinequiz for the next episode.
And I don't trust my face tonot make any expressions while
you're doing the quiz.
So I gotta get out of here.

Josh (01:05:03):
I wish you would stick around because I need all the
help I can get.
I'm terrible at these quizzes.

Jordan (01:05:09):
It's a good one.

Josh (01:05:10):
Cool.
I'm excited.
Okay.
All right.
Thanks, Jordan.
All right.
So before we get to the quiz, II want to say, Josh, let's put
all of our beefs aside.
I just want to say I love youvery much.
This has been a lot of fun.
Yeah.
I'm I have no beef.
What are you talking about?
There's no beef.
Okay.
Other than the beef sticks inmy pocket.
That being said, I did win.

(01:05:31):
Yeah, no, I'm really proud ofyou.
You needed a win.
I did.
I really needed it.
So thank you.
I'm happy for you.
I'm happy for me too.
Now onto the quiz.
No, no.
With that said, I want to sayyou brought a t-shirt at this
recording.
And last recording, you broughtme a onesie pajama.
Uh-huh.
You keep bringing articles ofclothing.

(01:05:51):
I don't know what's going on.
Reverse Dobby.
You're freeing yourself bygiving away clothes.
By giving away clothes.
Where Dobby is free by gettingclothes.
I'm freeing myself by givingthem away.
Wow.
A lot of Harry Potterreferences in this.
I know.
I kind of feel bad about it.
I don't know why I'mconferencing Harry Potter.
I love Harry Potter.
You would.
Let's get to the quiz.

(01:06:12):
I'm going to open it up.
It is Valiant Thor.
What the fuck is this?
I have no idea.
I like the idea of ValiantThor.
Yeah.
Superhero?
Yeah.
Yeah.
That sounds great.
That's redundant.
Like Thor is Valiant.
This has to be anothergovernment project name, right?

(01:06:32):
I would assume so.
That seems like it's probablyright.
I want to meet the guy thatnames these.
It's probably one guy.
You think it's one guy?
Oh, yeah.
Kind of like the same personthat's naming lupus medication,
or it's just one man.
Yeah.
Okay, so I don't even know howto set this up.
Let's just get into the quizbecause I have no idea what this

(01:06:53):
is.
So the baseline is just ValiantThor.
That's all the information wehave.
Yeah.
Our topic for next week.
Okay, first question.
Valiant Thor refers to a asecret NASA deep space mission,
B an extraterrestrial visitor, Creverse engineered Soviet
craft, or D, a secret USmilitary intelligence program.

(01:07:14):
Oh man.
So maybe my gut was right, theintelligence program, but an
extraterrestrial visitor wouldbe really cool.
That's what I'm gonna saybecause Thor is a singular
character.
Like naming it Thor, who islike you know, a Norse god of
thunder.
Hmm.
Singular.
Yeah.

(01:07:34):
And Valiant.
So maybe like a good visitorthat they've met.
I can track that.
I'm gonna go with my gut andsay military intelligence
program.
Military intelligence program.
I'm gonna say extraterrestrialvisitor.
Okay.
Next question.
Where did the name Valiant Thorbecome public?
A Project MK Ultra documents.
B NASA's Voyager mission logs.

(01:07:56):
C a book by Frank E.
Strange.
Strange?
I don't know.
Yeah.
Or D, an NSA leak about cosmicsurveillances.
Okay.
I don't think it's MK Ultra.
MK Ultra is like.
I don't know much about MKUltra.
They were trying to like unlocksomething in human beings, like
trying to find a weapon thatthey could use that would make

(01:08:19):
people like insane.
It's essentially like how wegot LSD now.
Okay.
I mean, this doesn't go with mythought.
Man.
I'm gonna say an NSA leak aboutcosmic surveillance.
Okay.
I don't have a path right nowwith my answer.
I don't either.
Um, I don't know who Frank E.

(01:08:39):
Strange is or Strange, or butI'm gonna say, like, maybe it
was a science fiction writerthat just feels so in line with
what we see with these programs.
They come from the sci-fiworld.
So I'm gonna say maybe a book.
Okay.
I'm gonna be wrong.
Yeah.
I think we're both for being onboard with that.
No, I think we're both there.

(01:09:00):
Okay, next question.
Before the Earth mission,Valiant Thor lived and served on
which celestial body.
So maybe it was an alien?
Maybe.
So A Mars, B, Saturn's moonTitan, C, Venus, or D, Andromeda
Station 5.
Okay.
I don't I have no idea.

(01:09:21):
I don't know shit.
This is wild.
I don't know what's going on.
Okay.
I'm gonna say Saturn's moonTitan.
Okay.
I know there's been a lot oftalk about the moons of our
solar system and them being ableto inhabit other life forms.
I don't know if Saturn's moonTitan is one of those.
I have no idea.
I think Io on Jupiter has wateron it or liquid underneath ice.

(01:09:46):
This question makes me thinkthat you were right on the first
question, an extraterrestrialvisitor.
Maybe this could be the fuckinggray of Jordan being a little
trickster.
It does seem tricky.
It does.
This whole thing seems tricky.
I'm gonna say Venus for noreason.
Okay.
That's fine.
I'm saying Saturn's moon titanfor no reason.

(01:10:08):
Which I know the Venusians arefrom Venus.
Yeah, yeah.
Great deduction skill.
But that's all I know.
Okay, next question.
What event on Earth triggeredincreased extraterrestrial
surveillance, according toValiant Thor?
What?
A the development of nuclearweapons, B, the moon landing in

(01:10:29):
1969, C, beginning of globalwarming, or D the death of
Christ.
It might not be anextraterrestrial visitor.
I know.
Oh my gosh.
Okay.
I'm gonna say the moon landing.
Okay.
I'm gonna say A, thedevelopment of nuclear weapons
because 44 is when we droppedthe bomb.

(01:10:50):
And that was around the timeeverything started getting
wacky.
Yep.
Okay, next question.
Which US president met withValiant Thor in the Oval Office?
Is it A, Franklin D.
Roosevelt?
B Harry S.
Truman, C, Dwight D.
Eisenhower, or D.
John F.
Kennedy?
Okay, so Truman was thepresident after FDR.

(01:11:10):
FDR was the president duringWorld War II for the most part,
but he died and then HarryTruman became president.
I'm saying Harry Truman.
Okay.
I'm gonna say John F.
Kennedy.
That's why he was killed.
Oh, okay.
That's it.
Strong take.
Okay.
Last question.
What made Valiant Thor'sclothing so remarkable to

(01:11:31):
Pentagon scientists?
So now it's wearing clothes.
How can a secret US programwear clothes?
I don't know.
It's weird.
I mean, I guess that'suniforms, right?
Like maybe all scientists haveto wear the same thing.
Okay.
Was it A?
It was completely invisible.
Oh shit.
So this is like the king wearsno clothes type thing where he's
like, look at my cool newclothes, and they're like, oh my

(01:11:54):
god, we can see your wiener.
Yeah.
Your hostess snack cake.
So is it A, it was completelyinvisible.
B, it could adapt to anyclimate.
C, it healed the wear.
Oh, that would be great.
Or D, it was indestructible.
Also great.
What made Valiant Thor'sclothing so remarkable to
Pentagon scientists?

(01:12:14):
I don't want to say it wasinvisible because that's an
argument, right?
Well, I'm wearing clothes.
I'm like, no, I can see yourfucking body.
He's like, no, I'm seriously.
What if it made the bodyinvisible too?
Well, that's not what thissays.
It's like if it made the bodyinvisible, then it wouldn't be
remarkable.
I mean, it would be fuckingincredibly remarkable.
Yeah, awesome.
On Mystery Man where the guycan be invisible only when no

(01:12:34):
one's looking.
Yeah, that's really funny.
Uh, I'm gonna say it wasindestructible.
Okay, that's kind of where I'mat.
All this is guessing.
I have yeah, still really nosince you said that, I want to
say, because I think healed thewearer is a pretty remarkable
thing.
If you put on an article ofclothing and you can just be
healed, I think that's prettycool.

(01:12:55):
Yeah.
Uh let's submit.
We'll find out what we got,we'll view our accuracy.
Oh boy.
So I want to say I did okay.
Valiant Thor refers to I said,a secret US military
intelligence program.
That is incorrect.
It is an extraterrestrialvisitor.
Which is what I said.
Plus one for Tribe One.

(01:13:15):
Where did the name Valiant Thorbecome public?
I said an essay lead aboutcosmic surveillance.
And I said a book by Frank E.
Stranges.
And that was correct.
Uh-huh.
Before the Earth mission,Valiant Thor lived and served on
which celestial body?
I said Venus.
I said Saturn's moon, Titan.
I was wrong.

(01:13:36):
And Venus was correct.
That's exciting.
What event on Earth triggeredincreased extraterrestrial
surveillance according toValiant Thor?
I said the moon landing.
I said development of nuclearweapons.
I was right.
Again?
Holy shit.
Now, this is where it turnsvery sour for me.
Next one.

(01:13:56):
Which US president met withValiant Thor in the Oval Office?
I said John F.
Kennedy.
I said Harry Struman.
It was Eisenhower.
Yeah, of course.
And then what made ValiantThor's clothing so remarkable to
Pentagon scientists?
I said it was indestructible.
You said it healed the wear itwas indestructible.
Yeah.
So I got two right.

(01:14:17):
Got one, two, three right.
Okay.
So I'm the champion.
Give me your shirt.
I have no idea.
So it sounds as though therewas an alien visitor from Venus
that the Pentagon was studyingand met with a president.
Or wasn't studying, but he justmade himself aware of himself.

(01:14:37):
That was not how I wanted thatsentence to sandwich.
Well, this is bonkers.
It sounds like a 90s.
Sounds like a rhythmic movie.
Exactly, like a metacumans oruh X-Men situation.
Where suddenly somebody fromspace comes here and is like,
Well, I'm gonna be your coolprotector now.
Yeah, I'm stoked to hear aboutthis.

(01:14:59):
So that's what we're gonna betalking about next episode.
Yep.
Valiant Thor.
Valiant Thor.
This is something new wehaven't done before.
We really enjoy it.
So we'll probably do it againat some point.
Yeah.
We were excited to introduceJordan for Reelsies.
Now we're gonna have to bringmy wife on just for balance.
Okay.
Oh, are you afraid?

(01:15:20):
Are you afraid to bring my wifeon, Josh?
No one's a big deal.
I'm not afraid.
Let us know, get a hold of us,give us comments and reviews.
That just helps us, alsovalidates us.
I judge my self-worth based onhow much interaction I get.
Yeah.
And it hasn't been good lately.
If I don't like every one ofyour texts and Instagrams, then

(01:15:42):
I get a message.
Yep.
A very hurtful one sometimes.
That's me.
Yeah.
The emotional one.
Yeah.
If we're uh if we're a boyband.
Yeah.
Such a Hufflepuff.
That's true.
Well, cool.
Thank you again for listeningand have a great time.
Until next time.
Yep.
I need my space.
Bye.