March 25, 2025 • 32 mins
Are you overthinking your next move instead of trusting yourself? In part two of my conversation with Anne Karber, she shares how she transitioned from a high-pressure, masculine-driven career in construction to fully embracing intuition and trust in her business and life. We dive into the power of balancing masculine and feminine energy, the lessons she learned through Ayahuasca and Bufo ceremonies, and the inner work practices can transform your life. Anne also shares why taking ownership of your life is the most powerful shift you can make and how to stop making excuses and start creating the reality you want.
HIGHLIGHTS
- How to shift from masculine energy (control mode) into a flow state.
- How to know if something is a full body YES or a clear NO.
- Why so many people struggle to take radical ownership of their lives.
- When to let go of people who no longer align with your growth.
- The one belief that changed everything for Anne.
- Lessons Anne learned about trusting her intuition.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Now back to the show.
I did hear one thing abouthustle and grind.
And I mentioned this in anotherepisode about everybody thinks
hustle and grinding and grindingis the way to success, when
oftentimes, yes, you have totake action, but there's still
so much power in also being astate of flow.
There's so much power in beinga little bit more I want to say
(01:53):
softer right.
But it doesn't have to be soconstant in your masculine
energy have you seen that shift,coming from such a really
strong masculine background inconstruction and all that, have
you seen yourself personallyshift into a different state of
being in business?
Speaker 2 (02:09):
specifically, very much so, very much so.
I think part of you know I'vetalked on my podcast about the
going and doing ayahuasca acouple of years ago and in doing
that that was a game changerfor me for all sorts of things.
You know.
Definitely balancing themasculine and feminine energy
was a big part of that.
Also, just work on your ego,right.
(02:30):
A lot of people, all of us,have egos that you know can get
out of check very easily.
Being able to have those thingsin check and being able to just
not feel like I needed to be theone that controls everything,
right, that's part of thesurrender for me and being able
to just flow.
So, specifically in the newbusiness that I started this
past year, really understandingthat whatever is supposed to
(02:53):
come in my path is going to comein my path and it's not about
me.
I'm a conduit and I'm literallyjust supposed to be put in
people's paths for whateverreason.
That is To be able to sit backand allow those things to happen
.
For me, definitely from thefeminine energy, because the old
Ann would be all right, let'smake it happen, let's blah, blah
, blah, blah, blah.
So I think, specifically in thelast two years as it relates to
(03:16):
that, I've really been able tokind of lean into that flow.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
It's scary.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
That's the whole you have no idea You're not in
control.
Realize that my friend Belindacalls it mad-ass faith.
She's like damn girl, you'vegot mad-ass faith Because it's
just.
I know, because I am so in tunewith who I am as a person and
with the universe, that whensomething happens, when there's
(03:40):
a whisper, when there's a knock,when there's whatever, I'm
listening and I don't question.
I just go Right.
You don't see fear, you don'tsee faith.
You get to choose which one tobelieve in.
I just go because I trulybelieve that I'm where I'm
supposed to be right now andthat the universe, god creator,
whatever you call it, willabsolutely put me wherever I'm
supposed to be, of the highestuse for him.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
I love this part.
Okay, so I'm obsessed with likereally tapping into your
intuition and going with yourquote.
Unquote gut right.
Which I always think like ourinner compass, our inner
guidance system, is alwaysavailable if we allow it to be
so.
It's different for everybody,but I'd love to hear your
perspective.
What does it feel like for youwhen it's a yes or it's a heck
(04:22):
no?
Speaker 2 (04:22):
What does?
Speaker 1 (04:22):
that feel like For people who aren't quite I mean
for you and I.
It's a yes or it's a heck, nolike what does that feel like
for people who aren't quite?
Yeah, I mean, for you and Iit's just a daily practice, but
and it's how we live our livessure, for those that are
listening or watching, that arejust like I, I don't know, like,
how do I really listen tomyself and get out of my monkey
mind right and into my my soulcenter.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Yeah, well, when it's a no for sure, I think it
almost feels like you couldalmost just feel your body like
you're molecularly kind ofclosing up a little bit.
I don't know how to explainthat, but it literally just kind
of feels like you know, ifsomething doesn't feel right.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
So it's a physical.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
It's a physical, it's just like that and I don't even
question it.
I don't even have to know likewhy.
Or let me explore something alittle more.
It's like I have that feelingand there's not.
If it's a hell, yes, right, I'meither one or the other.
I don't really have like a.
Maybe it's either a full body,yes, or an absolutely not.
But if it is the full body, yes, it literally feels like it's
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almost in my center, where it'salmost like hot tea feels good
to me, right Like when you have,I don't know.
I'm an old lady now.
I used to drink at a party andnow I'm like, oh my God, a cup
of hot tea on the couch with my,you know, You're not an old
lady.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
I know, but it just makes me sick.
You're calling me an old lady.
I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
You're an old lady Birthday twin, I'm so but you
know like if you enjoy hot teaor something that you enjoy,
that feels good to me.
Right To have like a nice cupof hot tea, that's what that
feels like, but like in yourcenter in the center in your
essence.
I don't know if that makessense.
That's the only way that I candescribe that is literally like
a cup of hot tea for youressence.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
I've never heard a cup of hot tea, but that's the
feeling it does feel for me.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Yeah, it's a warm sensation that's just like this
feels good.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
And not feels good in my mind, but feels good in my
soul.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
And you're knowing Absolutely, it's literally just
yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Well, speaking of intuition, let's do fear versus
intuition.
So, what's a decision you made,have made in your life that
terrified you but ended up beingthe best move of your entire
life the ayahuasca thing forsure, really, yeah, yeah,
Because for me it was down inCosta Rica.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
I had not ever traveled internationally by
myself.
It was a get your big girlpanties on girls we're going,
you know.
And there was a lot of stuffthat went into that, where I was
at a hotel that I didn't feelsafe.
At the first night, before theactual time started, I was in a
position where the flight downthere was not amazing.
There's just a lot of differentthings that kind of led into
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that.
But I really knew that therewas something that was blocked
for me and knowing that I wassupposed to be going towards a
space of holding space for otherwomen and really being able to
be going towards a space ofholding space for other women
and really being able to beclean energetically I didn't
know what it was that wasblocking me, but I knew
something was and so I knew Ineeded to do it, but I was
(07:14):
scared.
I was scared to do it and Iforced myself to do it anyways,
and it was one of the thingsthat I can't imagine not having
done that, because my last twoyears of just really being able
to release, control andsurrender has all been, you know
, part of that.
That was a big change for me, abig shift for me.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Do you mind going into the details of your
experience?
I know so many people havequestioned, asked you know,
about ayahuasca and I knowthere's some that are beautiful
experiences and others that arelike yeah, yeah, yeah, I um, I'm
happy to share.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
So it was a small, a small group of people.
There was eight of us that werethere.
It was, uh, where we weresupposed to do three evenings of
ayahuasca experience.
And in getting down there andimmediately started working on
things that I didn't realizejust by talking to other people
and things that would trigger meand, you know, pull out
(08:07):
different gross stuff from mypast that I didn't know why I
was going down there, I justknew I was.
I needed to go down there.
We did the first evening and Iam a cannonballer, as some of
you know.
I'm all in, and so you know itwas like, okay, we're going to
offer a couple of different cups.
You can just have one cup oryou can have multiple cups and I
(08:28):
had three cups Everyone elsehad one Give me the mother load
Exactly I'm like I came all thisway.
Let's figure it out.
But it was interesting becausewhat was revealed to me during
that time was really kind of the.
I saw my first husband's faceclear as day and I hadn't really
processed any of the traumaassociated with that.
(08:50):
So I had been with my firsthusband from 15 to 24.
He was a very emotionally andmentally abusive guy and 15 to
24 for a woman is some prettyimportant years and so there was
a lot of garbage that went intothat.
He was abusive to the girls,like there was a lot of just
awful things that came into thatthat I never processed.
(09:10):
I just that was done, he's outof the way.
Move, move, move.
That's part of just being insurvival mode all the time.
But when that came to me, Imean I just the shaman was there
.
There was another lovely, whatI'll call the angel that was
there and they pulled this.
What felt like slimy octopusout of the top of my head is the
best way that I can describethat during this first ceremony
Like a Reiki kind of energeticyes, yes, so after I realized it
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was him.
It was like this Price is Righttype of wheel that was rolling
through my mind and it stoppedon his face and I was just like
what the hell is going on?
And it started going down abunch of different traumatic
things that had happened duringmy time with him and I almost
felt like I was up on theceiling witnessing young Ann
with this stuff happening, being15 years old, being 16 years
(09:59):
old with things that shouldnever happen to girls, and I
just remember like crying alittle bit during that and as I
was just again just like kind ofcontinuing through our
relationship with some of thereally traumatic things and
releasing that from my body, Ifelt like there was a point that
almost again, words don'treally this is the words that I
(10:22):
use because it's the best that Ihave to describe it but Felt
like kind of somebody with thehead of an octopus at the top of
my head that was just pullingthe tentacles out from all
throughout my body, from my toes, from my feet, up my legs and
in my hands, and after I feltlike it got all the way out.
I just went limp.
I was laying down anyways, butjust literally went limp like I
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was so exhausted.
And I opened my eyes and Ilooked up and the shaman was
there with the feather and thesmoke and there was this
beautiful woman in white thathad been in the ceremony space
but hadn't spoken and she wassinging and I just I could not
believe what that experience wasfor me.
But just being able to havethat open for me, to know that
(11:04):
there was work that needed tohappen, but also that that kind
of on a molecular level, I feellike that extracted that from
who I was.
I've never been more grateful.
I didn't have any idea that Ineeded to go back and do the
work from that Because again,with the masculine energy, I'm
fine, I'm strong, I've got this.
You know it's fine, I can gothrough all of these things.
If I put my daughters in the15-year-old girl or the
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16-year-old girl, I would gokill somebody for doing stuff
like that.
So how would I possibly thinkthat the 16-year-old Anne is
fine to handle all the thingsright Like that's outrageous.
So to be able to do that andhave that brought to my front
door, it was very powerful.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
It was very powerful, it sounds like it.
What was the difference betweenthat and the Bufo ceremony?
We don't need to go to specificsun where that wasn't stuff,
but as far as like yourexperience of just the two
different yeah ceremonies, theayahuasca for me was definitely.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
It's a longer experience, it's like six hours
that you're there doing that forthe.
You know, for that time it was,I'm going there to do work, I'm
you know.
The bufo was different for mein that I wanted to have more
balance in my masculine andfeminine energy, because I feel
like there's definitely reasonsthat that should be balanced a
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little bit more than just, youknow the way that I am, not that
there's anything wrong withthat, but the bufo was much, uh
much quicker and also much morepowerful.
In a way, that's like I'm thisis going to sound crazy.
I think I found my innocenceout there, like I feel like I
lost the innocence of mychildhood, you know, at eight
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years old, from different stuffthat happened to me and I
literally felt like it connectedout there.
And since doing that,continuing to do that work as
well, has been so powerful,because you don't just use these
tools as OK, great, I went anddid ayahuasca.
It's OK great, that unlockedsomething for me.
Now, where am I going to take?
that For what is the work?
(13:05):
Right?
I have a whole journal that'sdedicated to my first husband,
so that when anything comes up,I'm able to just really release
that and understand that.
He's not the villain in mystory, right?
He was just a broken man, youknow.
So, yes, those things happened.
Yes, he was blah blah, blah,blah blah.
Now that I'm smarter and olderand you know wiser and all of
the things, I can look back andsee what happened from his
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childhood and how that affectedhim, you know.
So the bufo was more, you know.
It felt like it lasted about,well, two seconds, but
apparently about 30 minutes andit was.
You're just out in the cosmos.
I mean you are here one secondand then you are connected with
the cosmic fabric in a way thatis just like the coolest
experience ever, ever, and tocome back and really feel like I
(13:50):
mean I cried and I giggled andall of the things, but I just
feel like it really healedsomething inside of me that I
appreciate.
I appreciate.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
I am so grateful for you sharing that, and I love
hearing that you made such apowerful point of and I cannot
drive this home enough forpeople listening and watching is
these medicines?
These ceremonies serve as abeautiful, sacred experience to
open up yes, release, but openup that next wave of personal
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evolution and self-discovery andnot to be used as just escapism
to where let's go to the nextceremony, that's where I'm going
to get the next answer and hitor let's do this.
This is where it's going tocome from and it's not talked
about enough that these arewonderful opportunities,
beautiful experiences that wecan tap into, yet then doing the
(14:47):
real work, integrating it intoour daily lives where we don't
have to become reliant for thatnext ceremony Right those are
just part of the tool
Speaker 2 (14:57):
that goes into it and , like you said, the work that
is surrounding that and the workthat that leads to.
That's where the rubber meetsthe road.
And you have to be willing to dothat.
But it's amazing to me becauseI look at people that are so
invested in putting all of thistime and energy into all of
these other things but not intothemselves.
It's like go all in on you.
That's where everything opensup.
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I believe that, right, you cantry to work and slam through a
job that you hate or you don'tlove, or you can put all of this
energy and effort into anythingpick whatever it is.
Go all all of this energy andeffort into anything pick
whatever it is.
Go all in on you and watch asthat just kind of opens up your
entire life, because my life iscompletely different than it was
before, completely different.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Yeah Well, and it's going to mirror back right
Everything in life is going tomirror back to where you're at.
Absolutely, I mean that's thebest thing of it is that we're
in this school, this curriculum,if you will, day to day just
learning as we go and it's justso fun to see in a way because I
think you and I shared this tooI always say like the world is
just a playground, Like we arehere literally in school on a
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playground, learning from it all, and we have the opportunity,
we have the choice, we have itall to recreate a whole
different experience if wechoose.
So you get to.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
It's just there for you.
That's a real thing and I don'tthink a lot of people
understand that.
They look at you, they look atme, they look at other people
and they think, well, there'ssomething else, there must be
something else.
It's like no, you could justchoose that.
Is there work associated withit?
Absolutely Does it feel likegarbage sometimes?
Absolutely.
A lot of times the work is notlike.
The work is not like yay, I'mgoing to go like churnler.
(16:31):
I'm going to go blah, blah, blah, blah blah, but what I will
tell you is that I have neveronce felt like it wasn't worth
it, Ever, once, ever once, youknow.
So you use those plantmedicines as a tool that then
open up other things.
You have to be willing to getcurious about it.
When something triggers you,when something bumps into your
stuff, get curious.
I don't think people realizethat's a really big concept.
(16:52):
Your triggers you're supposedto fix that shit.
I'm not supposed to, assomebody that's in your life,
manage your triggers or managemy own triggers.
I don't want to manage my own.
I sure as hell can't rememberwhat your triggers are.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Fix your shit.
Yeah, I agree with you Is.
Is this bad to even say?
I feel like I don't even havethe patience to be around people
who can't take ownership fortheir own shit.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
I agree with like that's where I'm at right now,
because I take ownership all thetime like it's not you, it's me
.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Yeah, thank you for showing me x, y and z.
Yes, let me go to work and letme do my thing, or let me go
take a hike and just kind of sitwith myself.
Why do you think most I mean Iknow the answer, but I'd love to
hear your answer why do youthink most people have such a
hard time just taking full andcomplete ownership of where they
are currently at in their life?
Speaker 2 (17:40):
I think people are scared to look in the mirror,
like, really look in the mirror,right.
They're afraid of what they'llfind.
I found lots of stuff I wasn'tproud of, right, I was doing
things that I wasn't proud of, Iwas all of that.
But when you look in the mirror, when you're willing to own
your part you know I was never abig AA person when I got sober
(18:02):
but I will say that I thinkeveryone should have to do a
12-step program because it's abeautiful thing, because a big
part of that is what is yourpart?
Because so many people makeexcuses and say, well, this
happened to me and this happenedto me and this happened to me.
What is your part?
Well, I don't have a part.
Sure, you do In literallyeverything, even terrible things
that you don't think I didn't.
(18:22):
How could that be that I have apart in that?
No, you have a part ineverything, right, being able to
own that actually feels reallygood.
You can stand in your power.
There's no power in victimhood,right?
If you're willing to lookyourself in the mirror and
understand God, I did that.
That was pretty messed up,right?
Maybe I didn't do the rightthing in that situation or I
wasn't the right friend, or Iwasn't the right mom, or I
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didn't whatever.
I get off on takingaccountability, because it makes
me feel so incredibly good tosay God, I can't believe I did
that.
I'm so sorry, right, because I'malways trying to be the next
best version of myself and levelup.
In that way, I want to be thefirst one that takes
accountability.
If I feel like I was out ofline in any way, I'm the first
person to say like oh my God,I'm so sorry.
(19:03):
Let me learn from that.
Let me learn from myrelationships with people.
Let me learn from myinteractions from people.
I think again, people's egosget in the way where they just
think that they don't need tolook in the mirror and their
shit doesn't stink and theydon't need to take
accountability for stuff we alldo.
And if we all did that more,god wouldn't.
What amazing place is that?
I know exactly.
Wouldn't that be incredible ifsomeone led with oh my God, what
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was my part in that?
I'm so sorry.
What a world to live in.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
You know I mean, but honestly, that's the kind of
world I'm experiencing more oflately.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Yeah, because you're surrounding yourself with that,
because I'm surrounding myselfwith people that are as such
right.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
That understand like hey, I'm deeply sorry, let me
fix this on my own front andcircle back, kind of thing right
.
Like I just find so much I don'tknow.
I feel like we talked aboutthis a couple weeks ago In a
space right now, in currentspace and time, wanting just to
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go deeper with people,absolutely Not wanting surface
level conversations,relationships, and I want that
in all areas of my life, likeprofessionally and personally
Agreed.
And I just feel like this isthe scary part of it, like all
the familiar it's kind oftrickling away because now it's
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bringing about this whole newwave of humans in my life that
are like wow, this is what Iprayed for, this is what I am
operating on embodying and it'sjust, it's all coming together.
But it's also such as like awhile.
It's just it's all comingtogether, but it's also such as
like a while.
It's so exciting, it's kind of,I think, uncomfortable.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Right, Well, because also, people that have been in
your life that maybe aren'tgoing to be in your life,
understanding that people are inyour in your life for a season,
maybe Correct, and some peopleit's like I can't imagine not
having that person in my lifebecause those are people that
have been around for a long time.
But when you get to this placewhere you just have no tolerance
for bullshit, right Like, Idon't want surface level
relationships, I have zerointerest in them With anybody I
(21:01):
literally I have zero interest.
Because you get to the placewhere you just it almost is like
ugh.
I mean, it just feels like slimeon your spirit.
It's nails on a chocolate.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
It is.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
It is.
I couldn't agree with you more.
So it's like I only will fosterrelationships with people that
are interested in being deep andpeople that are interested in
getting naked with me, not juston my podcast but, also just
regular, because there's so manythings that are such cool
ingredients that make up therecipe of Chrissy Mae right and
ingredients that are so uniquethat make up the recipe of who I
(21:31):
am right.
Wouldn't we want to share that,instead of being like oh my God,
can you believe Michelle woreher hair like that?
Like oh my God, blow my brainsout, get out of here.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Like I just can't.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
That's how I feel about that.
I'm like no, I'm like tell meabout your childhood, tell me
about how you feel about that.
Let me understand your uniqueperspective and how amazing you
are.
Wow, I never thought aboutthings like that.
That's really incredible To beable to share enough with
somebody so that you can get theinsight into how their brain
works and how they processsomething.
What a gift.
I'm not going to judge that.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
I want to celebrate that Totally, and I think it's
so sexy too.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Oh yes.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Like in the purest of the world.
Like it's just so sexy to beable to go so deep, yes, so then
, how do you navigate situationswhere you're trying to
establish a deeper connectionwith someone?
Because I know people out thereprobably are trying and they're
, like you know, hitting theirhead against the wall.
What if somebody has put uptheir boundaries and you know
their shell is up?
How do you navigate that?
(22:25):
Stop wasting time.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Yeah, there's lots of people out there that are
interested in getting deep, andfor me it's pretty funny because
literally everyone in myvillage.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
I'm like come on, guys, we're going and I just
drug everyone with me.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
I was like we're all leveling up.
I just don't want to be that.
I don't want to be that.
I want to be deep andunderstand all the things that
make you who you are.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
I love the discernment you have.
I love the quick decisivenessin your just being.
You know, black or white,what's going on.
And it's so infectious.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
I feel like no one's given any amount of time.
You don't know.
So if you think, oh well, maybeI'll make a decision tomorrow,
my sister died when she was 39years old.
Totally fine one day.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Not here.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
The next Right.
It has, in my face, made meunderstand.
This is a gift, today's a gift.
You're talking about it beinglike.
This is a game.
This is a game.
Look at this, the big guy putus down here among Disneyland.
Go outside and look around Likeit's incredible, not just in
nature, but in everything that'saround you.
(23:32):
Go sit and just watch thingshappening.
How beautiful is that?
That's all just here for yourviewing pleasure, right?
You want to waste time withsomebody that doesn't align with
what you have going on?
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Not a second, not a second, just not a second Did
you hear that everyone Loud andclear, just in case for the
people in the back, stop wastingtime.
I love that and it's so simpleit is.
We create it to be difficult.
We do, really, when you thinkabout it, mm-hmm, you know, we
create suffering.
We create all this nonsensebecause we sit in our egos.
(24:05):
We do, but if we sat in theseat of our soul, yeah Woof,
wouldn't that be powerful?
Every day Well you're, you knowyou're there.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
No, I am, I, I and I look back, and you couldn't make
me go back.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Understanding what I do now.
It's worth every ounce of workthat I've done, and then some,
so yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Thank you so much for sharing.
Yeah, so I like to wrap with afire round of questions.
Okay, anne has no idea what Iput together here.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Answer to the best of your ability.
You got it.
Here we go.
You got it.
What's one habit that haschanged your life?
Yoga, and not the fitness kind.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
If you could give your younger self one piece of
advice, what would it be Be?
Speaker 2 (24:46):
authentically.
You Awkward, weird, all of thethings.
Don't try to fit into a mold.
What's your go-to practice whenyou feel stuck or overwhelmed?
Probably just breathing andsmudging myself.
Just shut everything else outand breathe.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
I love the smudge.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
What's one self-love ritual?
You swear by Thai massages.
Two hours with a gummy.
I already told you I have to dothat it's literally the best
thing on the planet.
Those Thai women are incredible.
It's such a spiritualexperience.
I love it.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
What does healing look?
Speaker 1 (25:26):
like to you in one word Ferocious.
That's good yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
What's the most powerful lesson pain has ever
taught you?
Speaker 1 (25:37):
That you're stronger than you ever will know.
What's your favoriteaffirmation or mantra?
You're a bad bitch.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
I wouldn't expect anything else from you how do?
You tap into your intuition.
Again, I think, just beingquiet, I think that the
meditation, meditation, thebeing quiet, I just think that's
so uncomfortable for so manypeople and I have learned to
just lean into that discomfortand now I crave it so if you had
to describe your soul's purposein one sentence, what would it
(26:08):
be?
Speaker 1 (26:09):
holding space for others you're good at that
what's one belief you had tounlearn to reach your next level
?
Oof only one.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
The top one.
That I'm not good enough.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
I think that's for most people.
What's the best investmentyou've ever made in yourself?
Speaker 2 (26:33):
what's the best investment you've ever made in
yourself.
Probably just time.
You know, I don't think it wasany one thing, it was just
knowing that.
I was worth the time because Ialways was.
I can do for everybody elseright.
I always would take everybodyelse's burdens and carry
everyone else's things and notput into myself.
But understanding that puttingtime into myself has been a game
(26:58):
changer for me.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
I love that.
What's a lie.
You've told yourself for waytoo long that I'm not enough.
What's your most embarrassingspiritual or self-growth moment?
Poof.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Probably sharing a few moments ago that I found the
innocence of my childhood atBufo oh.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
I don't think that's embarrassing.
Oh my God, it feels veryembarrassing to me Really, yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
That feels very vulnerable to me to share that.
My voice shook a little bitwhen I was saying it.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Wow yeah, we were just talking about vulnerability
too in the last episode.
I think that's a hard thing fora lot of people.
It is but to be so raw and realin the moment.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
I force myself to do it because, again, I think
there's people out there thatwill listen, that will say, OK,
right, Like it's hard for me tosay the things that I say.
This isn't a comfortable thing,not only here but in my own
podcast, and yes, of course I doall the things.
But just to be willing to saythe things that I really feel,
instead of trying to sugarcoatit to make certain that it reads
right or that it lends to mybrand I don't have a brand.
(28:02):
I don't know what the hell thateven means.
We already talked about themasculine energy thing.
I'm just doing what the universeis telling me to do.
So what comes to my head comesout of my mouth and you get what
you get.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
And I can 100% vouch for that.
Like you don't.
Even Ann doesn't even know howto work Instagram.
Let's be honest here she has ateam that does that for her.
Thank God for other people.
You're my hero.
My goal for this year we'llshare in a couple seconds here.
Have you ever received anintuitive nudge, ignored it and
then instantly regretted it?
Speaker 2 (28:29):
No.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Have you ever had a spiritual meltdown in the most
inconvenient place?
Speaker 2 (28:39):
I don't think so.
I normally have them in my carwhere people around me are
probably looking going.
What the hell is this wackadoodoing?
You keep it safe.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Yeah, what's one thing entrepreneurs waste too
much time on?
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Thinking they overthink.
Don't mind fuck yourself.
If you know it, just go.
Just go.
Trust in yourself.
That's good.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Yeah, if you had 30 seconds to inspire the world,
what would you say?
Speaker 2 (29:07):
I think just be yourself, be yourself, trust
yourself.
Don't get twisted up in thenoise.
Everybody gets twisted up inthe noise.
Like you said, we cause our ownsuffering.
You get to choose.
You get to choose.
There's the stupid signs thatsay choose happy.
You get to choose.
Happy isn't about money orsuccess.
You get to choose to be happywherever you are.
(29:30):
Right now, we all haveeverything that we need.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Go ahead and choose that and go that direction.
I think that's everything, andput yourself around great human
beings like yourself, yeah,absolutely.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
I'm telling you, it changes the game it does.
You're absolutely right, in abig and bold way.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
You're absolutely right, I appreciate you so much.
Yeah, thank you so so so much.
I want to actually I want tosign off with a little bit more
information on FJ, so I want tohave Anne talk more about it.
It's a company that she'screated and I just find so much
benefit.
I'm going to be obviouslyworking with you and I just know
there's so many people on thispodcast that listen to this
(30:05):
podcast that could reallybenefit as well.
So that's the reason why I wantto kind of shine a light on what
you do.
If you could briefly describethat, yeah, no, absolutely, I
appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
So FJ is a company that I started this past year
that handles logistics for smallbusinesses and it's very
individualized, based onwhatever the small business is,
but basically it's everythingoutside of the service or widget
that you do in your smallbusiness.
So a lot of people start smallbusinesses and have no idea that
there's all of these licensing,registration, accounting,
(30:35):
payroll, human resources,benefits, all of these different
things that go into it and allthey want to do is whatever
their service or widget is.
Well, fj handles all of therest of that.
So any combination of it.
A company can come to me and sayI'm going to handle my service
or widget.
I literally want you to handleeverything else, we've got you.
You can come and say I don'thave anybody that handles our
(30:58):
accounting and I just needaccounting support.
No problems, it can be.
We need website and socialmedia support no problems, we've
got you.
I have somebody that does ITstuff.
So that you know, for smallbusinesses that's hard, because
who do you call right?
Geek Squad is not the rightchoice, you know.
But Geek Squad is not the rightchoice, you know.
But you know somebody that cancome handle that for you or be
able to answer questions, andit's somebody that's here
(31:18):
locally that understands smallbusinesses and the softwares
that we use, so really beingable to support small businesses
If you're stuck on ideas orconsulting or you need somebody
that can be your cheerleader inthat situation.
A lot of times small businessesare one person that started
something and they don't haveanybody besides their aunt or
their mom to kind of run thingsby.
And all of those people aregoing to do is tell you like
(31:40):
good job, you're doing great,but they don't know anything
about business or what you'redoing.
We can help you with that.
So we're very solutionsoriented and just the years of
all of the different industriesthat I've been in and just being
scrappy and very solutionsoriented, we're able to help a
lot of different people and it'sbeen so rewarding.
Again, it was one of thosethings that the universe kind of
(32:00):
tapped me on the shoulder andsaid you're doing this.
I said you got it and I havebeen having fun with my team and
I this whole entire time.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
So yeah, and you're the girl to align with.
I'm telling you Ann will figureit out.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Yeah, I don't mess her up.
No, she doesn't.
If you have not figured out yetin this first hour, Exactly no
and I'm looking forward toworking with you as well.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
I mean and it's not just that, it's also she can
help you build a team.
Yeah, you know, find anexecutive assistant Like there's
so many benefits, so definitelyreach out.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
And we're going to have all this information in the
show notes.
I'll have her website, I'llhave her Instagram, I'll have
her podcast.
So just get connected in theshow notes with Ann Carver.
Thank you again.
Thank you.
I love you, appreciate you too.
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I did hear one thing abouthustle and grind.
And I mentioned this in anotherepisode about everybody thinks
hustle and grinding and grindingis the way to success, when
oftentimes, yes, you have totake action, but there's still
so much power in also being astate of flow.
There's so much power in beinga little bit more I want to say
(01:53):
softer right.
But it doesn't have to be soconstant in your masculine
energy have you seen that shift,coming from such a really
strong masculine background inconstruction and all that, have
you seen yourself personallyshift into a different state of
being in business?
Speaker 2 (02:09):
specifically, very much so, very much so.
I think part of you know I'vetalked on my podcast about the
going and doing ayahuasca acouple of years ago and in doing
that that was a game changerfor me for all sorts of things.
You know.
Definitely balancing themasculine and feminine energy
was a big part of that.
Also, just work on your ego,right.
(02:30):
A lot of people, all of us,have egos that you know can get
out of check very easily.
Being able to have those thingsin check and being able to just
not feel like I needed to be theone that controls everything,
right, that's part of thesurrender for me and being able
to just flow.
So, specifically in the newbusiness that I started this
past year, really understandingthat whatever is supposed to
(02:53):
come in my path is going to comein my path and it's not about
me.
I'm a conduit and I'm literallyjust supposed to be put in
people's paths for whateverreason.
That is To be able to sit backand allow those things to happen
.
For me, definitely from thefeminine energy, because the old
Ann would be all right, let'smake it happen, let's blah, blah
, blah, blah, blah.
So I think, specifically in thelast two years as it relates to
(03:16):
that, I've really been able tokind of lean into that flow.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
It's scary.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
That's the whole you have no idea You're not in
control.
Realize that my friend Belindacalls it mad-ass faith.
She's like damn girl, you'vegot mad-ass faith Because it's
just.
I know, because I am so in tunewith who I am as a person and
with the universe, that whensomething happens, when there's
(03:40):
a whisper, when there's a knock,when there's whatever, I'm
listening and I don't question.
I just go Right.
You don't see fear, you don'tsee faith.
You get to choose which one tobelieve in.
I just go because I trulybelieve that I'm where I'm
supposed to be right now andthat the universe, god creator,
whatever you call it, willabsolutely put me wherever I'm
supposed to be, of the highestuse for him.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
I love this part.
Okay, so I'm obsessed with likereally tapping into your
intuition and going with yourquote.
Unquote gut right.
Which I always think like ourinner compass, our inner
guidance system, is alwaysavailable if we allow it to be
so.
It's different for everybody,but I'd love to hear your
perspective.
What does it feel like for youwhen it's a yes or it's a heck
(04:22):
no?
Speaker 2 (04:22):
What does?
Speaker 1 (04:22):
that feel like For people who aren't quite I mean
for you and I.
It's a yes or it's a heck, nolike what does that feel like
for people who aren't quite?
Yeah, I mean, for you and Iit's just a daily practice, but
and it's how we live our livessure, for those that are
listening or watching, that arejust like I, I don't know, like,
how do I really listen tomyself and get out of my monkey
mind right and into my my soulcenter.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Yeah, well, when it's a no for sure, I think it
almost feels like you couldalmost just feel your body like
you're molecularly kind ofclosing up a little bit.
I don't know how to explainthat, but it literally just kind
of feels like you know, ifsomething doesn't feel right.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
So it's a physical.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
It's a physical, it's just like that and I don't even
question it.
I don't even have to know likewhy.
Or let me explore something alittle more.
It's like I have that feelingand there's not.
If it's a hell, yes, right, I'meither one or the other.
I don't really have like a.
Maybe it's either a full body,yes, or an absolutely not.
But if it is the full body, yes, it literally feels like it's
(05:23):
almost in my center, where it'salmost like hot tea feels good
to me, right Like when you have,I don't know.
I'm an old lady now.
I used to drink at a party andnow I'm like, oh my God, a cup
of hot tea on the couch with my,you know, You're not an old
lady.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
I know, but it just makes me sick.
You're calling me an old lady.
I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
You're an old lady Birthday twin, I'm so but you
know like if you enjoy hot teaor something that you enjoy,
that feels good to me.
Right To have like a nice cupof hot tea, that's what that
feels like, but like in yourcenter in the center in your
essence.
I don't know if that makessense.
That's the only way that I candescribe that is literally like
a cup of hot tea for youressence.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
I've never heard a cup of hot tea, but that's the
feeling it does feel for me.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Yeah, it's a warm sensation that's just like this
feels good.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
And not feels good in my mind, but feels good in my
soul.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
And you're knowing Absolutely, it's literally just
yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Well, speaking of intuition, let's do fear versus
intuition.
So, what's a decision you made,have made in your life that
terrified you but ended up beingthe best move of your entire
life the ayahuasca thing forsure, really, yeah, yeah,
Because for me it was down inCosta Rica.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
I had not ever traveled internationally by
myself.
It was a get your big girlpanties on girls we're going,
you know.
And there was a lot of stuffthat went into that, where I was
at a hotel that I didn't feelsafe.
At the first night, before theactual time started, I was in a
position where the flight downthere was not amazing.
There's just a lot of differentthings that kind of led into
(06:54):
that.
But I really knew that therewas something that was blocked
for me and knowing that I wassupposed to be going towards a
space of holding space for otherwomen and really being able to
be going towards a space ofholding space for other women
and really being able to beclean energetically I didn't
know what it was that wasblocking me, but I knew
something was and so I knew Ineeded to do it, but I was
(07:14):
scared.
I was scared to do it and Iforced myself to do it anyways,
and it was one of the thingsthat I can't imagine not having
done that, because my last twoyears of just really being able
to release, control andsurrender has all been, you know
, part of that.
That was a big change for me, abig shift for me.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Do you mind going into the details of your
experience?
I know so many people havequestioned, asked you know,
about ayahuasca and I knowthere's some that are beautiful
experiences and others that arelike yeah, yeah, yeah, I um, I'm
happy to share.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
So it was a small, a small group of people.
There was eight of us that werethere.
It was, uh, where we weresupposed to do three evenings of
ayahuasca experience.
And in getting down there andimmediately started working on
things that I didn't realizejust by talking to other people
and things that would trigger meand, you know, pull out
(08:07):
different gross stuff from mypast that I didn't know why I
was going down there, I justknew I was.
I needed to go down there.
We did the first evening and Iam a cannonballer, as some of
you know.
I'm all in, and so you know itwas like, okay, we're going to
offer a couple of different cups.
You can just have one cup oryou can have multiple cups and I
(08:28):
had three cups Everyone elsehad one Give me the mother load
Exactly I'm like I came all thisway.
Let's figure it out.
But it was interesting becausewhat was revealed to me during
that time was really kind of the.
I saw my first husband's faceclear as day and I hadn't really
processed any of the traumaassociated with that.
(08:50):
So I had been with my firsthusband from 15 to 24.
He was a very emotionally andmentally abusive guy and 15 to
24 for a woman is some prettyimportant years and so there was
a lot of garbage that went intothat.
He was abusive to the girls,like there was a lot of just
awful things that came into thatthat I never processed.
(09:10):
I just that was done, he's outof the way.
Move, move, move.
That's part of just being insurvival mode all the time.
But when that came to me, Imean I just the shaman was there
.
There was another lovely, whatI'll call the angel that was
there and they pulled this.
What felt like slimy octopusout of the top of my head is the
best way that I can describethat during this first ceremony
Like a Reiki kind of energeticyes, yes, so after I realized it
(09:36):
was him.
It was like this Price is Righttype of wheel that was rolling
through my mind and it stoppedon his face and I was just like
what the hell is going on?
And it started going down abunch of different traumatic
things that had happened duringmy time with him and I almost
felt like I was up on theceiling witnessing young Ann
with this stuff happening, being15 years old, being 16 years
(09:59):
old with things that shouldnever happen to girls, and I
just remember like crying alittle bit during that and as I
was just again just like kind ofcontinuing through our
relationship with some of thereally traumatic things and
releasing that from my body, Ifelt like there was a point that
almost again, words don'treally this is the words that I
(10:22):
use because it's the best that Ihave to describe it but Felt
like kind of somebody with thehead of an octopus at the top of
my head that was just pullingthe tentacles out from all
throughout my body, from my toes, from my feet, up my legs and
in my hands, and after I feltlike it got all the way out.
I just went limp.
I was laying down anyways, butjust literally went limp like I
(10:43):
was so exhausted.
And I opened my eyes and Ilooked up and the shaman was
there with the feather and thesmoke and there was this
beautiful woman in white thathad been in the ceremony space
but hadn't spoken and she wassinging and I just I could not
believe what that experience wasfor me.
But just being able to havethat open for me, to know that
(11:04):
there was work that needed tohappen, but also that that kind
of on a molecular level, I feellike that extracted that from
who I was.
I've never been more grateful.
I didn't have any idea that Ineeded to go back and do the
work from that Because again,with the masculine energy, I'm
fine, I'm strong, I've got this.
You know it's fine, I can gothrough all of these things.
If I put my daughters in the15-year-old girl or the
(11:26):
16-year-old girl, I would gokill somebody for doing stuff
like that.
So how would I possibly thinkthat the 16-year-old Anne is
fine to handle all the thingsright Like that's outrageous.
So to be able to do that andhave that brought to my front
door, it was very powerful.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
It was very powerful, it sounds like it.
What was the difference betweenthat and the Bufo ceremony?
We don't need to go to specificsun where that wasn't stuff,
but as far as like yourexperience of just the two
different yeah ceremonies, theayahuasca for me was definitely.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
It's a longer experience, it's like six hours
that you're there doing that forthe.
You know, for that time it was,I'm going there to do work, I'm
you know.
The bufo was different for mein that I wanted to have more
balance in my masculine andfeminine energy, because I feel
like there's definitely reasonsthat that should be balanced a
(12:21):
little bit more than just, youknow the way that I am, not that
there's anything wrong withthat, but the bufo was much, uh
much quicker and also much morepowerful.
In a way, that's like I'm thisis going to sound crazy.
I think I found my innocenceout there, like I feel like I
lost the innocence of mychildhood, you know, at eight
(12:44):
years old, from different stuffthat happened to me and I
literally felt like it connectedout there.
And since doing that,continuing to do that work as
well, has been so powerful,because you don't just use these
tools as OK, great, I went anddid ayahuasca.
It's OK great, that unlockedsomething for me.
Now, where am I going to take?
that For what is the work?
(13:05):
Right?
I have a whole journal that'sdedicated to my first husband,
so that when anything comes up,I'm able to just really release
that and understand that.
He's not the villain in mystory, right?
He was just a broken man, youknow.
So, yes, those things happened.
Yes, he was blah blah, blah,blah blah.
Now that I'm smarter and olderand you know wiser and all of
the things, I can look back andsee what happened from his
(13:27):
childhood and how that affectedhim, you know.
So the bufo was more, you know.
It felt like it lasted about,well, two seconds, but
apparently about 30 minutes andit was.
You're just out in the cosmos.
I mean you are here one secondand then you are connected with
the cosmic fabric in a way thatis just like the coolest
experience ever, ever, and tocome back and really feel like I
(13:50):
mean I cried and I giggled andall of the things, but I just
feel like it really healedsomething inside of me that I
appreciate.
I appreciate.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
I am so grateful for you sharing that, and I love
hearing that you made such apowerful point of and I cannot
drive this home enough forpeople listening and watching is
these medicines?
These ceremonies serve as abeautiful, sacred experience to
open up yes, release, but openup that next wave of personal
(14:25):
evolution and self-discovery andnot to be used as just escapism
to where let's go to the nextceremony, that's where I'm going
to get the next answer and hitor let's do this.
This is where it's going tocome from and it's not talked
about enough that these arewonderful opportunities,
beautiful experiences that wecan tap into, yet then doing the
(14:47):
real work, integrating it intoour daily lives where we don't
have to become reliant for thatnext ceremony Right those are
just part of the tool
Speaker 2 (14:57):
that goes into it and , like you said, the work that
is surrounding that and the workthat that leads to.
That's where the rubber meetsthe road.
And you have to be willing to dothat.
But it's amazing to me becauseI look at people that are so
invested in putting all of thistime and energy into all of
these other things but not intothemselves.
It's like go all in on you.
That's where everything opensup.
(15:17):
I believe that, right, you cantry to work and slam through a
job that you hate or you don'tlove, or you can put all of this
energy and effort into anythingpick whatever it is.
Go all all of this energy andeffort into anything pick
whatever it is.
Go all in on you and watch asthat just kind of opens up your
entire life, because my life iscompletely different than it was
before, completely different.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Yeah Well, and it's going to mirror back right
Everything in life is going tomirror back to where you're at.
Absolutely, I mean that's thebest thing of it is that we're
in this school, this curriculum,if you will, day to day just
learning as we go and it's justso fun to see in a way because I
think you and I shared this tooI always say like the world is
just a playground, Like we arehere literally in school on a
(15:58):
playground, learning from it all, and we have the opportunity,
we have the choice, we have itall to recreate a whole
different experience if wechoose.
So you get to.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
It's just there for you.
That's a real thing and I don'tthink a lot of people
understand that.
They look at you, they look atme, they look at other people
and they think, well, there'ssomething else, there must be
something else.
It's like no, you could justchoose that.
Is there work associated withit?
Absolutely Does it feel likegarbage sometimes?
Absolutely.
A lot of times the work is notlike.
The work is not like yay, I'mgoing to go like churnler.
(16:31):
I'm going to go blah, blah, blah, blah blah, but what I will
tell you is that I have neveronce felt like it wasn't worth
it, Ever, once, ever once, youknow.
So you use those plantmedicines as a tool that then
open up other things.
You have to be willing to getcurious about it.
When something triggers you,when something bumps into your
stuff, get curious.
I don't think people realizethat's a really big concept.
(16:52):
Your triggers you're supposedto fix that shit.
I'm not supposed to, assomebody that's in your life,
manage your triggers or managemy own triggers.
I don't want to manage my own.
I sure as hell can't rememberwhat your triggers are.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Fix your shit.
Yeah, I agree with you Is.
Is this bad to even say?
I feel like I don't even havethe patience to be around people
who can't take ownership fortheir own shit.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
I agree with like that's where I'm at right now,
because I take ownership all thetime like it's not you, it's me
.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Yeah, thank you for showing me x, y and z.
Yes, let me go to work and letme do my thing, or let me go
take a hike and just kind of sitwith myself.
Why do you think most I mean Iknow the answer, but I'd love to
hear your answer why do youthink most people have such a
hard time just taking full andcomplete ownership of where they
are currently at in their life?
Speaker 2 (17:40):
I think people are scared to look in the mirror,
like, really look in the mirror,right.
They're afraid of what they'llfind.
I found lots of stuff I wasn'tproud of, right, I was doing
things that I wasn't proud of, Iwas all of that.
But when you look in the mirror, when you're willing to own
your part you know I was never abig AA person when I got sober
(18:02):
but I will say that I thinkeveryone should have to do a
12-step program because it's abeautiful thing, because a big
part of that is what is yourpart?
Because so many people makeexcuses and say, well, this
happened to me and this happenedto me and this happened to me.
What is your part?
Well, I don't have a part.
Sure, you do In literallyeverything, even terrible things
that you don't think I didn't.
(18:22):
How could that be that I have apart in that?
No, you have a part ineverything, right, being able to
own that actually feels reallygood.
You can stand in your power.
There's no power in victimhood,right?
If you're willing to lookyourself in the mirror and
understand God, I did that.
That was pretty messed up,right?
Maybe I didn't do the rightthing in that situation or I
wasn't the right friend, or Iwasn't the right mom, or I
(18:43):
didn't whatever.
I get off on takingaccountability, because it makes
me feel so incredibly good tosay God, I can't believe I did
that.
I'm so sorry, right, because I'malways trying to be the next
best version of myself and levelup.
In that way, I want to be thefirst one that takes
accountability.
If I feel like I was out ofline in any way, I'm the first
person to say like oh my God,I'm so sorry.
(19:03):
Let me learn from that.
Let me learn from myrelationships with people.
Let me learn from myinteractions from people.
I think again, people's egosget in the way where they just
think that they don't need tolook in the mirror and their
shit doesn't stink and theydon't need to take
accountability for stuff we alldo.
And if we all did that more,god wouldn't.
What amazing place is that?
I know exactly.
Wouldn't that be incredible ifsomeone led with oh my God, what
(19:25):
was my part in that?
I'm so sorry.
What a world to live in.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
You know I mean, but honestly, that's the kind of
world I'm experiencing more oflately.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Yeah, because you're surrounding yourself with that,
because I'm surrounding myselfwith people that are as such
right.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
That understand like hey, I'm deeply sorry, let me
fix this on my own front andcircle back, kind of thing right
.
Like I just find so much I don'tknow.
I feel like we talked aboutthis a couple weeks ago In a
space right now, in currentspace and time, wanting just to
(19:59):
go deeper with people,absolutely Not wanting surface
level conversations,relationships, and I want that
in all areas of my life, likeprofessionally and personally
Agreed.
And I just feel like this isthe scary part of it, like all
the familiar it's kind oftrickling away because now it's
(20:21):
bringing about this whole newwave of humans in my life that
are like wow, this is what Iprayed for, this is what I am
operating on embodying and it'sjust, it's all coming together.
But it's also such as like awhile.
It's just it's all comingtogether, but it's also such as
like a while.
It's so exciting, it's kind of,I think, uncomfortable.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Right, Well, because also, people that have been in
your life that maybe aren'tgoing to be in your life,
understanding that people are inyour in your life for a season,
maybe Correct, and some peopleit's like I can't imagine not
having that person in my lifebecause those are people that
have been around for a long time.
But when you get to this placewhere you just have no tolerance
for bullshit, right Like, Idon't want surface level
relationships, I have zerointerest in them With anybody I
(21:01):
literally I have zero interest.
Because you get to the placewhere you just it almost is like
ugh.
I mean, it just feels like slimeon your spirit.
It's nails on a chocolate.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
It is.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
It is.
I couldn't agree with you more.
So it's like I only will fosterrelationships with people that
are interested in being deep andpeople that are interested in
getting naked with me, not juston my podcast but, also just
regular, because there's so manythings that are such cool
ingredients that make up therecipe of Chrissy Mae right and
ingredients that are so uniquethat make up the recipe of who I
(21:31):
am right.
Wouldn't we want to share that,instead of being like oh my God,
can you believe Michelle woreher hair like that?
Like oh my God, blow my brainsout, get out of here.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Like I just can't.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
That's how I feel about that.
I'm like no, I'm like tell meabout your childhood, tell me
about how you feel about that.
Let me understand your uniqueperspective and how amazing you
are.
Wow, I never thought aboutthings like that.
That's really incredible To beable to share enough with
somebody so that you can get theinsight into how their brain
works and how they processsomething.
What a gift.
I'm not going to judge that.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
I want to celebrate that Totally, and I think it's
so sexy too.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Oh yes.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Like in the purest of the world.
Like it's just so sexy to beable to go so deep, yes, so then
, how do you navigate situationswhere you're trying to
establish a deeper connectionwith someone?
Because I know people out thereprobably are trying and they're
, like you know, hitting theirhead against the wall.
What if somebody has put uptheir boundaries and you know
their shell is up?
How do you navigate that?
(22:25):
Stop wasting time.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Yeah, there's lots of people out there that are
interested in getting deep, andfor me it's pretty funny because
literally everyone in myvillage.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
I'm like come on, guys, we're going and I just
drug everyone with me.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
I was like we're all leveling up.
I just don't want to be that.
I don't want to be that.
I want to be deep andunderstand all the things that
make you who you are.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
I love the discernment you have.
I love the quick decisivenessin your just being.
You know, black or white,what's going on.
And it's so infectious.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
I feel like no one's given any amount of time.
You don't know.
So if you think, oh well, maybeI'll make a decision tomorrow,
my sister died when she was 39years old.
Totally fine one day.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Not here.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
The next Right.
It has, in my face, made meunderstand.
This is a gift, today's a gift.
You're talking about it beinglike.
This is a game.
This is a game.
Look at this, the big guy putus down here among Disneyland.
Go outside and look around Likeit's incredible, not just in
nature, but in everything that'saround you.
(23:32):
Go sit and just watch thingshappening.
How beautiful is that?
That's all just here for yourviewing pleasure, right?
You want to waste time withsomebody that doesn't align with
what you have going on?
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Not a second, not a second, just not a second Did
you hear that everyone Loud andclear, just in case for the
people in the back, stop wastingtime.
I love that and it's so simpleit is.
We create it to be difficult.
We do, really, when you thinkabout it, mm-hmm, you know, we
create suffering.
We create all this nonsensebecause we sit in our egos.
(24:05):
We do, but if we sat in theseat of our soul, yeah Woof,
wouldn't that be powerful?
Every day Well you're, you knowyou're there.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
No, I am, I, I and I look back, and you couldn't make
me go back.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Understanding what I do now.
It's worth every ounce of workthat I've done, and then some,
so yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Thank you so much for sharing.
Yeah, so I like to wrap with afire round of questions.
Okay, anne has no idea what Iput together here.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Answer to the best of your ability.
You got it.
Here we go.
You got it.
What's one habit that haschanged your life?
Yoga, and not the fitness kind.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
If you could give your younger self one piece of
advice, what would it be Be?
Speaker 2 (24:46):
authentically.
You Awkward, weird, all of thethings.
Don't try to fit into a mold.
What's your go-to practice whenyou feel stuck or overwhelmed?
Probably just breathing andsmudging myself.
Just shut everything else outand breathe.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
I love the smudge.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
What's one self-love ritual?
You swear by Thai massages.
Two hours with a gummy.
I already told you I have to dothat it's literally the best
thing on the planet.
Those Thai women are incredible.
It's such a spiritualexperience.
I love it.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
What does healing look?
Speaker 1 (25:26):
like to you in one word Ferocious.
That's good yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
What's the most powerful lesson pain has ever
taught you?
Speaker 1 (25:37):
That you're stronger than you ever will know.
What's your favoriteaffirmation or mantra?
You're a bad bitch.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
I wouldn't expect anything else from you how do?
You tap into your intuition.
Again, I think, just beingquiet, I think that the
meditation, meditation, thebeing quiet, I just think that's
so uncomfortable for so manypeople and I have learned to
just lean into that discomfortand now I crave it so if you had
to describe your soul's purposein one sentence, what would it
(26:08):
be?
Speaker 1 (26:09):
holding space for others you're good at that
what's one belief you had tounlearn to reach your next level
?
Oof only one.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
The top one.
That I'm not good enough.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
I think that's for most people.
What's the best investmentyou've ever made in yourself?
Speaker 2 (26:33):
what's the best investment you've ever made in
yourself.
Probably just time.
You know, I don't think it wasany one thing, it was just
knowing that.
I was worth the time because Ialways was.
I can do for everybody elseright.
I always would take everybodyelse's burdens and carry
everyone else's things and notput into myself.
But understanding that puttingtime into myself has been a game
(26:58):
changer for me.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
I love that.
What's a lie.
You've told yourself for waytoo long that I'm not enough.
What's your most embarrassingspiritual or self-growth moment?
Poof.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Probably sharing a few moments ago that I found the
innocence of my childhood atBufo oh.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
I don't think that's embarrassing.
Oh my God, it feels veryembarrassing to me Really, yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
That feels very vulnerable to me to share that.
My voice shook a little bitwhen I was saying it.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Wow yeah, we were just talking about vulnerability
too in the last episode.
I think that's a hard thing fora lot of people.
It is but to be so raw and realin the moment.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
I force myself to do it because, again, I think
there's people out there thatwill listen, that will say, OK,
right, Like it's hard for me tosay the things that I say.
This isn't a comfortable thing,not only here but in my own
podcast, and yes, of course I doall the things.
But just to be willing to saythe things that I really feel,
instead of trying to sugarcoatit to make certain that it reads
right or that it lends to mybrand I don't have a brand.
(28:02):
I don't know what the hell thateven means.
We already talked about themasculine energy thing.
I'm just doing what the universeis telling me to do.
So what comes to my head comesout of my mouth and you get what
you get.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
And I can 100% vouch for that.
Like you don't.
Even Ann doesn't even know howto work Instagram.
Let's be honest here she has ateam that does that for her.
Thank God for other people.
You're my hero.
My goal for this year we'llshare in a couple seconds here.
Have you ever received anintuitive nudge, ignored it and
then instantly regretted it?
Speaker 2 (28:29):
No.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Have you ever had a spiritual meltdown in the most
inconvenient place?
Speaker 2 (28:39):
I don't think so.
I normally have them in my carwhere people around me are
probably looking going.
What the hell is this wackadoodoing?
You keep it safe.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Yeah, what's one thing entrepreneurs waste too
much time on?
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Thinking they overthink.
Don't mind fuck yourself.
If you know it, just go.
Just go.
Trust in yourself.
That's good.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Yeah, if you had 30 seconds to inspire the world,
what would you say?
Speaker 2 (29:07):
I think just be yourself, be yourself, trust
yourself.
Don't get twisted up in thenoise.
Everybody gets twisted up inthe noise.
Like you said, we cause our ownsuffering.
You get to choose.
You get to choose.
There's the stupid signs thatsay choose happy.
You get to choose.
Happy isn't about money orsuccess.
You get to choose to be happywherever you are.
(29:30):
Right now, we all haveeverything that we need.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Go ahead and choose that and go that direction.
I think that's everything, andput yourself around great human
beings like yourself, yeah,absolutely.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
I'm telling you, it changes the game it does.
You're absolutely right, in abig and bold way.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
You're absolutely right, I appreciate you so much.
Yeah, thank you so so so much.
I want to actually I want tosign off with a little bit more
information on FJ, so I want tohave Anne talk more about it.
It's a company that she'screated and I just find so much
benefit.
I'm going to be obviouslyworking with you and I just know
there's so many people on thispodcast that listen to this
(30:05):
podcast that could reallybenefit as well.
So that's the reason why I wantto kind of shine a light on what
you do.
If you could briefly describethat, yeah, no, absolutely, I
appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
So FJ is a company that I started this past year
that handles logistics for smallbusinesses and it's very
individualized, based onwhatever the small business is,
but basically it's everythingoutside of the service or widget
that you do in your smallbusiness.
So a lot of people start smallbusinesses and have no idea that
there's all of these licensing,registration, accounting,
(30:35):
payroll, human resources,benefits, all of these different
things that go into it and allthey want to do is whatever
their service or widget is.
Well, fj handles all of therest of that.
So any combination of it.
A company can come to me and sayI'm going to handle my service
or widget.
I literally want you to handleeverything else, we've got you.
You can come and say I don'thave anybody that handles our
(30:58):
accounting and I just needaccounting support.
No problems, it can be.
We need website and socialmedia support no problems, we've
got you.
I have somebody that does ITstuff.
So that you know, for smallbusinesses that's hard, because
who do you call right?
Geek Squad is not the rightchoice, you know.
But Geek Squad is not the rightchoice, you know.
But you know somebody that cancome handle that for you or be
able to answer questions, andit's somebody that's here
(31:18):
locally that understands smallbusinesses and the softwares
that we use, so really beingable to support small businesses
If you're stuck on ideas orconsulting or you need somebody
that can be your cheerleader inthat situation.
A lot of times small businessesare one person that started
something and they don't haveanybody besides their aunt or
their mom to kind of run thingsby.
And all of those people aregoing to do is tell you like
(31:40):
good job, you're doing great,but they don't know anything
about business or what you'redoing.
We can help you with that.
So we're very solutionsoriented and just the years of
all of the different industriesthat I've been in and just being
scrappy and very solutionsoriented, we're able to help a
lot of different people and it'sbeen so rewarding.
Again, it was one of thosethings that the universe kind of
(32:00):
tapped me on the shoulder andsaid you're doing this.
I said you got it and I havebeen having fun with my team and
I this whole entire time.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
So yeah, and you're the girl to align with.
I'm telling you Ann will figureit out.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Yeah, I don't mess her up.
No, she doesn't.
If you have not figured out yetin this first hour, Exactly no
and I'm looking forward toworking with you as well.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
I mean and it's not just that, it's also she can
help you build a team.
Yeah, you know, find anexecutive assistant Like there's
so many benefits, so definitelyreach out.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
And we're going to have all this information in the
show notes.
I'll have her website, I'llhave her Instagram, I'll have
her podcast.
So just get connected in theshow notes with Ann Carver.
Thank you again.
Thank you.
I love you, appreciate you too.
Thank you.
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