#002: Harmony and Healing: Rev. Amy Steinberg INTERVIEW on her Musical Journey and Spiritual Leadership

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Rev. Thor Challgren (00:07):
Hey, it's Dr Thor Chal.
This week, on All Revved Up, Isit down with the incredible
Reverend Amy Steinberg, a newthought minister, soulful
musician and someone who knowshow to turn life's big questions

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into powerful songs and stories.
Amy and I dive into thechallenges and triumphs of being
spiritual leaders, especiallyafter big events shake us, and
how we can find ways toalchemize even the toughest
moments into somethingmeaningful.

Rev. Amy Steinberg (00:49):
I think honestly, if it's really, really
my path, because and you know,Dr James said this most of my
teachers have said I wasn'tcalled traditionally, Like I
didn't have a call to become aminister.
It just kept coming at me, youknow, and so I just follow the
breadcrumbs and there's justnothing I love more than
inspiring people and makingpeople feel good with my

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expression.
So a minister is such a perfectfit, in a way.

From finding love and light in the
darkest places to creating musicthat moves hearts, Amy's
insights are bound to uplift you.

Love, love, love, love, love.

You can bound to uplift you Join us on
All Revved Up as we talk aboutspirituality, creativity and why
it's important to look up evenwhen times get tough.
Here now, my interview withReverend Amy Steinberg.
Reverend Amy Steinberg, welcometo the show.

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I'm so happy to have you here.
How are you today?

I am wonderful.
I'm so happy to be with you,reverend Thor.

I know you told me, yeah, right before the
show.
You said you went to get amassage.
So you were probably like inthe most blissed out state
possible right now.
Right.

It's impeccable.
Self-care massage.
It's like my favorite modalityof healing physical healing.
I love massage.
Do you get massages regularly,Thor?

I feel like I should.
My wife has a whole bunch ofthem stored up from Massage Envy
and she's always like, do youwant to use one of mine?
And I'm like I should.
I know I should.

You know that is my number one piece of
advice for all humans.

All right, good, good to know.
I need to add more massagesinto my life.
But you know, what I'd love todo is open this show if you'd be
willing to treat us in, treatthe audience in, and this
experience in our conversationtoday.
So I'm going to turn that overto you to, however you want to
lead us into our explorationtoday.

Ah, okay.
Well, let's take a deep breathin.
And if you're not driving whileyou're listening to this, I
invite you to close your eyesand just be present with the
breath and listen to the soundof my voice.
And what a treasure and apleasure to be here with you
today.
So, right here and right now,in this holy moment, I recognize

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the quantum everythingness ofeverything, the all, the force
behind the force, the sourcethat is the love that fuels life
itself.
That is in me, that is throughme, that is expressing as this
podcast this afternoon, and I amjust knowing fun and excitement

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and connection and revelation,inspiration and revelation
inspiration.
All the Asians, I am knowingthem in this holy moment,
knowing that this hour that wehave together or this time that
we have together is truly, trulyblessed, because everything is
unfolding for the highest andbest, and with such great, great

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gratitude I speak my word aslaw, knowing that it is done and
so it is Amen.

And so it is Lovely, thank you.

I'm all revved up.

Yeah, me too.
So you know, I want to startwith.
24 hours ago, just for theaudience listening, I called
Reverend Amy and Reverend Amyand I went through ministerial
we're prayer partners and Icalled her about a day ago and I

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knew our interview washappening today and I said to
her some current events havehappened and if this episode was
originally going to come out,this show was going to launch at
the end of December and nowit's launching in November and
there's a reason for that isbecause we've just had an
election in our country.
And when I called Reverend Amyyesterday I said you know what I

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think we need to talk about?
Current events.
We need to talk about and it'sironic to say this the
elephant's in the room, and how?
Because you know, everyone had areaction yesterday to the day
after the election and somepeople they were just numb,
devastated.
Some people were happy that youknow their choice was validated

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, but everybody had some kind ofreaction.
And I said to Amy I go, youknow what.
I think we have to talk aboutthat from the perspective of how
we as spiritual leaders, howministers, process our own
feelings, but also how we cansee ourselves as leaders in

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communities and how people lookto you to go.
Well, how are you processing it?
What's your reaction to it?
So I asked her.
I said would you be okaytalking about that?

And you said oh, heck, yeah, I mean, it's so
important and, of course, I hadthis really cool experience
yesterday because that's howspirit unfolds for me is that
there's always this nugget thatI get to share with you, and so
can I tell you my story thathappened yesterday, please yeah.
So I was coping by shopping at athrift store.

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I was using a coping mechanismwhich you know is not too
ministerial but it's very human.
And I went to my favoritelittle plus-size consignment
store, which happens to be runby this amazing woman named
Jasmine, who is a brown woman.
And so when I went in there, Iwas very mindful, knowing I'm a
minister, knowing I'm in thecommunity, I was just mindful.

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You don't want to ask somebodylike who'd you vote for?
But you want to say like, howare you doing today?
So as I was shopping around, Isaid I said hey, hey, jazz, how
you doing?
And she said you know I'm okay.
She said I'm okay, you knowwe've been through worse and I
said yeah, like the Reagan Bushyears, and she said no, like
slavery.

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And we just started sort oflaughing in this like strange,
uncomfortable but comfortableway, and I reflected upon the
fact that you know, I was bornJewish, so my DNA right goes
back to the slavery in Egypt andwhatnot.
So the human spirit is resilientand as that experience unfolded
, I was able to sort of likehave this joy just at that,

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knowing that you know what we'vecome this far and there's an
evolution of spirit that'shappening, and so I know that
whatever is unfolding in thiscountry, which is very
discouraging for so many,there's still a lot of people
who are celebrating.
First of all, you know, I livein the South, so there's a lot
of joy, it's palpable, and Itend to bend my mind toward the

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positive because I'm a religiousscientist and so in every
situation I tend to bend towardthe positive, just naturally.
It's what I do now.
I've been exercising that partof my brain and so I'm just like
happy we're not going to havean insurrection.
I'm happy there's not.
You know, I'm happy there's notgoing to be.
I wasn't afraid today to walkaround, which I knew that I
would be if the other person hadwon.

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So that's just my personalexperience and I don't know if
that, you know triggerssomething in you or resonates
with you, but yeah, no, it'sit's.

it's meaningful, and I love that.
The perspective that Jasmineshared with you of you know
there's worse things in theworld and sometimes we get so
wrapped up in the immediacy ofwhatever's going on in our life
that we just can't conceive ofanything being worse than that.

Right and we can't zoom out to see like,
what's the long game here,what's spirit game here, what's
happening, what's unfolding.
But I did have a couple otherthoughts about it that I wanted
to also read about you.
Okay, number one.
I think, for me personally,that I had some doubt that she
could win.
In fact, we had a conversationand you said to me oh, she's

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going to win.
You know I'm sorry this is alittle political for this
conversation, but this, this iswhat we, this is who we voted
for.
So, and I was just I did.
I had some doubt and I wasthinking to myself about the
quantum field, and I wasthinking to myself about the
quantum field and I was thinkingabout potentiality and
experience and I thought tomyself is this just my reality,
now that I've collapsed, thatshe didn't win because I didn't

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believe she could.
And then it dripped me off intoanother thing where I was like,
okay, if there's infinitepotentialities and infinite
timelines and there's sort oflike this ever present thing
that's always happening, isthere a timeline where there
aren't infinite timelines?

I'm sorry to bend your mind I think you
just broke my mind An infinite,I suppose.
So it's not, is there?

a reality where there are not multiple
times?
Is there?
If there's, do you see what I'msaying?
If there's anything is possible, is there a possibility that
there is no multiverse in one ofthese?
I don't know, it's hurting mybrain, but I'm open to that.

I mean, I think most people are just
trying to wrap their headsaround multiple timelines and
multiple multiverses, so to saythat one of those is there isn't
one, that's truly mind-bending,seriously.
That's truly mind-bending,seriously.
Yeah, I mean, I think you knowI'll go back to it was

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interesting for me to sharing.
My reaction to the momentbecause it's still kind of in my
mind was I didn't sleep wellbecause I went to bed not
knowing what the result wasgoing to be.
So it was.
You know, if you want to talkquantum, in one respect it was
like Schrodinger's election,where on one level one candidate
won and on the other level theother did, and I didn't know.
And so in a sense both werepossible, although energetically

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I kind of knew that the outcomethat did happen was what
happened.
But when I got up in themorning confirmed the results, I
was just kind of numb.
But when I got up in themorning confirmed the results, I
was just kind of numb and ityou know, because there was a.
For me I'll just say there wasa sadness but also a realization
, and I mentioned at the top ofthe show you and I became

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ministers this year.
So one of the things it's notlike a vow or an oath where you
put your hand on you know thescience of my textbook and take
a vow, but you do say that youare now going to live your life
from the consciousness of aminister and you don't get to
step off principle.

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And I've sort of was how do Ihave my human reaction and also
recognize that on some level Iam a leader in a community or I
am a voice in a community thatsomeone might look to and go?
How is Thor processing it?
How is Amy processing it?
Because people are going tolook to you.
So I'll say one.

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A friend told me yesterday youknow it's okay to have both,
it's okay on one level to havewhat you're feeling.

It's okay, on one level, to have what
you're feeling, but then alsohave.
It's not just okay, it'simportant.

Yeah.

Because if you sorry for the word whitewash
the whole experience and don'tpresence the grief, then we're
not doing ministering.

I really don't think so.
It's spiritual bypass, right?
You're just kind of stickingyour head in the sand Hard right
to sunshine.
Yeah, totally, oh, I love that.
I've never heard that Hardright to sunshine.

Did you hear her speech though yesterday?

where she said I haven't watched it yet.

One of the things she said was the dark
night, the stars are thebrightest, which was so our
philosophy.

The Dark Knight, the Stars of the
Brightest, which was so ourphilosophy.

So even her in her concession speech was so,
it was so profound and it wasso in line with this teaching.
We're headed in the rightdirection.
There is an unfoldment of thehighest and best.
I believe it, I know it, I justhave to.

That's?
Yeah, I think it's.
I don't know if it's his quoteor he's quoting someone else,
but Barack Obama talks aboutthat.
The moral arc of history bendstoward the good.
I love that the way we want.

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But to know that when we useour mind in that powerful way
that we are continually bendingour arc toward the good.
That's it.

You know, my most downloaded song is called
Exactly, and it's the lyrics areI'm exactly where I need to be.
I'm exactly where I need to be,and I wrote it in the middle of
a breakup because I knew thatthat breakup would lead to the
next thing that would need to.
I mean, the twists and turns,the circuitous route of life is

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so magical and transcendent andwhen you get in this teaching,
you start to notice.
You just start to notice ohokay, so that happened, so that
could happen.
I get it now and that's I justhave to, and that's what I
choose to believe.
This is a choice, definitely.
I always say that thisphilosophy is like ants on a

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keyboard, like writing code,like we're guessing, but we're
making our best guess and it's agood guess.
It's a really good guess tothink that everything is
happening for the highest andbest and it really does direct
the trajectory of everythingthat we experience.

You.
Not only this has been aneventful month for you and your
community because a monthago-ish, asheville, where you
live, was kind of direct hit bythe hurricane and there was a
huge I mean people.
It's not a surprise or news topeople, because you guys were
worldwide news.

Yeah, what was so interesting about that,
it being national news is thatwe didn't have power for like
two or three days, so I was cutoff from the internet, cut off
from television.
All we had was a little radioand we didn't know how bad it
was.
So that was very interesting,like as far as the experience of
experiencing it.
You know, in my world, luckily,or philosophically, we didn't

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have any damage to my home,because a week before I had two
trees emergency cut down becausemy intuition told me, I don't
know what, that I didn't know.
I wasn't a psychic, I didn'tknow the storm was coming, but
it did.
And so I had things like that,because I believe I'm a
religious scientist, this is allconnected.
But we didn't know.
I was sitting in my house witha little burner, you know a

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little one burner, making coffeeand you know, like doing our
thing, cleaning up around thehouse.
Just, we weren't in devastationand people were calling us Are
you?
You know what I mean?
Are you alive?
And so, in other words,sometimes the influence from the
outside can really.
And then we started to think,oh, we should be really, really

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scared, you know.
And we weren't scared untilpeople told us, you should be
really, really scared.
And then you know, it allunfolded in such a powerful way
as far as, like FEMA showing upand all of the volunteers and
the I mean things just theabundance of support from the
outside world was nothing shortof miraculous.

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I mean, if you were here, itwas like it was.
It was communities comingtogether and and I think I
mentioned to you that it'sreally not lost on me that North
Carolina was hit so hardbecause it is so red and blue as
far as a political state Ifound it to be so interesting
that before such a big electionthat we were to come together,

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it was really powerful becausethen when this election happened
, you know we're alreadyneighbors.
We're neighbors, we've sharedwater.
I had to poop in a bag at onepoint, so I'm like, really happy
to have non-potable water.
I don't care if a Republican ora Democrat gives it to me.
You know what I mean Water's,waterpotable water.
I don't care if a Republican ora Democrat gives it to me.

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You know what I mean.

So water's water, and that's unless you add
food coloring to it.

Well then it's just colored water, right,
but if you add, if you add, lookat the Maslow's hierarchy of
needs that we studied.
You know it's like when thatbottom rung is where you're
existing from.
We really just see each otheras souls and it was it's been
really transformative here.

I want to just underline something you
said, because I never thought ofit that way, that you didn't
have a perception of what thedevastation was like until
people told you what it was.
That's right, including the 94Northridge earthquake where we

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had some damage to our house inSanta Monica.
But if I didn't see the newsand we didn't have the internet,
then the way we do now, if Ididn't see the news, all I would
have known was our owncircumstances.
But then when you see the newsand you see bridges collapsed
and the wider devastation, nowyou process it differently

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because oh, now I've seen raceconsciousness, now I've seen all
the relative stuff going on inthe world and I have a different
perspective.

Interesting is they're not showing the
barbecue in my neighborhood fromall the people.
They're not showing that on thenews.
So it's not that the news isbad, it's just that the news is
bad.
It's just that the news tendsto only focus upon the bad.
So there was all these goodthings happening, but they
weren't.
It wasn't on the news at all,none of it you know, I mean I

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can tell, I can list 10 thingsthat happened that were amazing,
like where you know army guyscoming in and you know helping
me with my bottles, like thatwasn't on the news.
You know there were so manythings the hot meals from these
incredible restaurants thatwould like cook these gourmet
meals up and just give them awayto everyone.
Feeding Everyone was fed.
I'm like why is this just notreality that we're all feeding

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each other and helping eachother, right?
So these tragedies, thesehorrible I mean I'm not going to
discount the lives that werelost, the homes that were lost,
the jobs that were lost.
It's horrible, it really was ahorrible, devastating storm and
there was so much alchemizing ofit that turned into good.
And that's to me, what theteaching is really useful for is

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alchemizing things and lookingfor the good and growing good.

Well, if people don't know you this first
time, they're hearing you.
You are also a musicalperformer, quite talented,
amazing musical performer.
You have a keyboard there, so Iknow that after you experienced
the hurricane that you wrote apiece of music.
Would you mind sharing with usa little bit of that now?

I would love to.
I'll do the first verse and thelast verse in the chorus.
How about that?
So it's a little abridged, butif you wanted to watch, I made a
little video for it yesterday,so now it's available and
recorded in case anybody wantsto hear it.
It's called Look Up.
Now.
It's important to know that thestorm happened because two

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rivers converged and became anocean, so that's what I'm
addressing here in this openinglyric.
What is more useless than beingangry at a river?
It is just a river doing whatrivers do.

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The truth is that some truthTastes a little bitter, but it
can make you better as you makeyour way through.
And the light shines on all whoare left behind.

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The light still shines, yes,the light shines even in the
darkest times.
So look up, look up, look up,look up, look up, look up.
Sing it with me now Look up,look up, look up.

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Maybe I'm useless, I'm angry ata river.
It is just a river doing whatrivers do.
But I am a human and I'm abeing, not a doer, so I'll let

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this anger just pass on through.
And the light shines on all whoare left behind, shines on all
who are left behind.
The light still shines.
Yeah, the light shines and thisall will be alchemized.

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So look up, look up, look up,look up, look up, look up.
One more time I say look up,look look up, look up.
One more time I say Look up,look up, look up.

Amy Steinberg.
That is beautiful, Love that.

Thank you.

Well, I will put a link to that in the
show notes so people can findthat video and listen to the
entire song.
Thank you.

Yeah, it was crazy because it went viral.
Like I made this video of meplaying the guitar.
I had no makeup on, I had myhair up, I was just disheveled,
it was in the middle of thestorm and I just posted it to
Facebook.
I was like you know what Peopleneed to hear this?
And it went viral like 15,000views, which I mean it's not
like millions of views, but itwas thousands and thousands and

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thousands of people that weretouched by this idea that even
in the dark, you know, look up.
And that's this philosophy inthe nutshell, right, like make a
choice, make a choice to lookup.
And you'll see that when you dothat, like things change and
things get better, like theyjust do, and what a blessing.

Yeah for sure.
Well, I love that as sort of acoded to the real talk section.
I want to sort of move intosome questions I have for you,
and obviously people know nowyou are, in addition to being a
minister, you're a musicalperformer.
I'm curious from thatperspective how did you get your

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start as a performer?
You had the parent who made yousit down at the piano.
That's one question.
And then second is do yourecall the first time that you
played in a New Thought Centeror church?
What was that like?
So that's kind of my questionon your origin story.

Okay, well, I'm a middle child and I think I
might have what they called inthe 70s the middle child
syndrome, where I was like lookat me, look at me.
Look at me because I'm not thebaby, I'm not the oldest, and so
I kind of was a bit of theclown in the family, a baby, I'm
not the oldest, and so I kindof was a bit of the clown in the

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family.
And I started to study theatervery young and my sister was
actually a singer and I playedthe piano from before I can
remember my mom says that I, youknow, wanted to that when I was
four years old I was at mygrandma's house or something and
there was a piano and I didhave some family members that
were great pianists and so Iplayed piano since forever.
But then the theater thing kindof came in and from there I

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started to sing.
I wanted to be like my bigsister, who is a singer, and I
just felt like I had a voice inme and I wanted to perform and
so I studied theater, I went tocollege for theater and
everything like that, and then Igot cast in the musical hair,
you know, the great musical hairand after singing rock and roll
I cause it's rock and rollmusical theater I was like you

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know what?
I think I'm built a little bitmore for that and there weren't
at that time very many rock androll musicals.
So I was like, well, I guessI'm gonna have to write my own
stuff.
And I began to write my ownmusic.
And it was funny because Istarted in the coffee houses and
the bars and the clubs and Iwas playing a show in a coffee
house and this woman said youneed to come play my church.

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And I was like I don't believein organized religion.
I don't, I'm not into church.
No, thank you.
And she said, but we'll pay youa hundred dollars.
You know, no, thank you.
And she said but we'll pay youa hundred dollars.
And I was like I'm there, whattime?
And this is like 15 years ago,or maybe maybe longer now, but
2008 maybe.

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So I went and it was the mostunbelievable experience, because
these people, I had beensinging this philosophy right,
because there's only one truth.
The truth is that there's onlyone power, there's only one
presence, there's only love.
This is the stuff that BobMarley has been singing about.
This is the stuff.
You know what I'm saying.
So I was just singing thisphilosophy, not knowing that
there was a tribe out there, andso I sang.

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I remember I sang my songPurpose, which you know maybe
we'll put a link to it Purposewhich I wrote before I was in
this philosophy, and you couldhear a pin drop in the room and
then, right when I was done,there was like uproarious
applause and everybody got upand I mean I had been used to,
you know, glasses falling andcrashing cappuccino machines,

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right.
So I was just like what is thisnew world that I'm in?
And I immediately got intostudying and playing churches
and becoming music director, andthat's sort of my journey.
And then, being besideministers at several different
churches, I was like I want todo that, I want to do that, I
want to talk, I want to inspirepeople with the word of Ernest

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Holmes and Myrtle Fillmore, andyou know.
So that's my story.

And was that first church?
What kind of?
Was it non-denominational?
What was the?

Oh no, it was a spiritual living center.
That's what it was called.
So it wasn't a center forspiritual living, but it was
spiritual living center SLCCharlotte.
That was the first one I played.
And then I had been living inBoca Raton, florida, at the time
, and I went back down there andI found Center for Spiritual
Living Boca Raton.
I walked in the building.

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I said to Reverend Barbara Lundywho actually sat on Ernest
Holmes' lap, which is reallycool, so she's really old school
, new thought, science of mind Isaid do you have a choir?
She said not right now.
I said you do now, I will do itfor you for free.
I just want classes.
Can you give me classes?
And so I just immediatelyjumped into class and then she
started to pay me $75 a week tobe her music director.

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And that story is so perfect forthis idea of like do what you
love and the money will come.
So perfect for this idea oflike do what you love and the
money will come right, thisthing that we hear.
It's like do what you arecalled into doing for free and
then all of a sudden, the moneythat you need to sustain it will
be there and it was just so.

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Then that went from next job,next job.
I've been music director atthree centers or four centers
and I just love music directionin churches and centers, you
know.
And I love saying the wordchurch, because I feel like a
rebellious Jew when I say theword church.

Yeah, I mean, it's one of those things
that we always go back and forthAre we a church, are we a
center?
Are we a center, are we achurch?

Yeah, you know and then, like you know, I
know the word church intimates.
You know something that'sreally like.
When I was asked, play mychurch, I was like no, thanks,
right.
But now I've gone to a lot ofunity churches and they call it
a church and it's, you know,it's church.

So Talk to me a little bit about as a
performer.
What's your process like forwriting songs?
Is that is it?
Does an idea come to you whereyou're like there's some core to
it and then, like your songthat you played for us, there's
an image, a very strong image,of two rivers coming together
into an ocean.
That's one of the visual thingsthat came to me.

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But I'm curious, like ingeneral, when you're writing
music, when you're writing a newsong, what's your?

process.
You know, generally it is sortof like an idea.
There's an idea and the ideafor this was I am pissed off at
a river, and that makes zerosense and that translates and
that translates into I'm pissedoff at my mother or my history
or any anger that we carryaround with us.

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It's, it's absolutely useless.
And I thought this idea is aperfect seed.
And then the look up part came,came later.
I'm also kind of a craft manwhen it comes to lyrics.
I like to.
I'm very particular.
I want every single lyric tomean something.
I do a lot of internal rhyming,but usually it's like an idea,

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a concept, right, like, forinstance, that song Purpose that
I sang at the church.
That first song, the line livingis the purpose of life, was
actually a kid said it to me.
I said something like so whatdo you think is the purpose of
life?
And they said living.
And I was like, oh my God,that's it.
That's the purpose of life,living.

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And then I thought what isbeing alive like?
And that's where the lyricscame I've been through the
desert, I've walked in the ocean, no-transcript piano, and wrote

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that song and it saved me.
I felt better after I created,which is what my book is about.
Make good that I'm, that I'mputting together right now,
which is about how creatingwhether it's a podcast, a talk
for the week, a song or apainting like these ones behind
me that is transformative andthat is alchemizing, that is

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going to create a differentspace that you live in.
So that's why I create.
I create to be happy, to findjoy.

Yeah, I love that.
Well, one of the things thatyou do and I've I've seen you do
this a couple of times now isyou have a, at least as far as I
can see, a very unique thingthat you can offer that you've
done before, where you willparticipate in an entire service
.
Maybe someone else is speaking,things are coming up and I
gather you are taking notes, andthen at the end you will take

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all of that and put it togetherinto a song.
It's often like a rap stylesong where you're bringing back
all of these things.
It's the most amazing thingI've ever seen.
Tell me about that process,what that's like.
Do you feel any pressure or howdo you?
Is it just things flowing toyou?
Talk to me about that.

Most ministers in New Thought are
lyricists, they're speaking inlyrics, and so I'm sitting there
and I definitely have what Imight call attention deficit or
whatever, and that's not how itwas born, though.
It was born when I was workingfor Barbara Lundy.
I had planned on singingsomething.
I think I had planned Iremember it this way and I don't

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know if it's the truth but Ihad planned on singing Summer
Over the Rainbow, and that wasthe song I had prepared.
I was new to the new thoughtworld and I was very
self-conscious about the music Iwould pick, because I didn't
want to sing something thatdidn't align with the principles
.
And Somewhere Over the Rainbowthat I had prepared did not
align with the talk, becauseSomewhere Over the Rainbow is

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like hope, and you know how weare about hope.
Right, it's somewhere overthere, it's not present and
positive.
So I was like this isn't goingto match the message, so I'm
going to make something up, andI made up my song called Free to
turn it around, which, if youlook that up too, that's another
great tune that was born almostfully formed on the spot, and
that is how this idea of writinga song became born.

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And um, and then it just becamesort of like a way for me to
pay attention really clearlywhenever I'm, I'm, and I don't I
when I'm a music directorsomewhere.
I didn't do it every Sundaybecause it sort of became almost
like a shtick, you know.
Right right Like a trick, and soI break it out when it feels
right, and I don't want it tofeel that way, I want it to feel

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organic, and so that's reallyfun.
And then I have a song calledOne Step, which is a culmination
of a bunch of different rapsthat I've written for all.
I went through all my raps oneday and I was like I'm going to
take the best nuggets from allthe different ministers that
I've, you know, done this withover the years, and it was
really.

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It was cool to see like this isscience of mind 101 in this, in
this song, and it's just, it'sreally fun.
I mean, I, my brain is, isgoing very fast, so if it gives,
give it something to do and Ibet you could do it, I bet it's.

I don't know about that, but I bet you
could you have a brain that'spretty fast so well, you know
what I think is, as a someonewho's heard you do it and seeing
the impact it has in theaudience.
I think the way that it it whypeople get so into it is when
they realize what you're doing,like you'll start doing this

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song and then they're like, ohmy gosh, she's calling back all
of the things that have beensaid and then there's an energy
to it because people are likerooting you on in a way that's
so different from you know,maybe just performing another
song, because now they're likepart of this energy this
instantaneous moment of creation.
It's very.

It's very present moment awareness, you
know, and it's like what's socool is that people will come up
to me afterwards and be like,can I want a recording of that?
And I'm like it won't make anysense to you.
It won't make any sense to you.
This moment is when that wasborn.
You know that funny story thatthe minister talked about, that

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I snuck in there.
That made you giggle.
You're not going to know whatthe heck I'm talking about if
you've listened to this again.
So it's so like the mandala,where they put the sand on the
mandala and they blow it away.
It's very and I like that youbrought that up about it,
because it is really about beingpresent.
And it is interesting thatpeople are like oh, I want a

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recording of that.
People want to hold on to thatenergy which is that present
moment awareness.
People want to hold on to itand it's like you can't really
do that.

No, you can't.
But I think that's the essenceof why people are drawn to.
That is, or why they'll have afavorite scene from a movie and
watch it over and over, becausethere's something they feel in
that moment and they justthey're alive in that moment and
they're like, oh, I want thatover and over.
I go back to the Back to theFuture movie where at the very

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end of the movie, very lastscene is you know, doc Brown
comes back and they back up thecar and Marty says you know
you're going to have to back upfurther and he says where we're
going, we don't need roads.
And the car takes off andeverybody just is like so the
energy of that, and it's thatsame kind of thing that you're
doing.
Yeah, people are alive in thatmoment and, gosh, we just want

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that so much, don't we?
That makes sense.

That makes sense.
I think you helped meunderstand that a little bit
better with why people, mightyou know, want that, and it's a
very cool experience to have.
And I'm also like, is thisgoing to suck?
You know, like there's, there'ssometimes there's a part of me
that's like is this terrible?
And then sometimes they do, andthat's okay too, because it's

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not being recorded and it's kindof like life, you know, I kind
of think about.
I'm so glad we grew up withoutthe social media thing where you
know we're, you know, so we gotto experience life without it
being recorded, everything beingrecorded and, um, so there's
something about that.
That's cool too, is that, um,although it is, everything

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streams now, so it's, it issomewhere you can find the talk
song if you really want to watchit again or whatever, but it's
not the same as like a CD thatyou put in or an MP3 that you
play, but yeah.

Well, I want to talk now about a big
development for you this yearwas you became Reverend Amy
Steinberg, no longer just a no,I shouldn't say just as in
diminished being a musicalperformer, but you became a
minister this year as well.
So I'm curious how is yourjourney to become a minister,

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while you still are alsoamazingly talented in your
musical performance?

How has becoming a minister impacted the
other things that you do, andwhat insights have come to you
this year as a result of thatjourney reaching a culmination
in June, as far as like speakingand giving a talk and knowing
that I could be a spiritualcounselor now, and I do feel

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almost like that transformativething where the butterfly is
getting out of the cocoon, and Ido like just this past weekend
I spoke and sang at one of myfavorite churches in the world
Unity North Atlanta and I reallylike to be a part of that staff
there at some point and I justlove this church and I was on

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the stage and I literally almostfelt like I was flapping my
wings like that I'm learning howto fly.
It is a different skill setthan being a musician.
Being a musician for me.
Doing a show I can do it withmy eyes closed.
It's something that I feel veryconfident about.
But being a minister feels Ihave a little bit of the
imposter syndrome still going onand I just I question it.

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I think, honestly, if it'sreally really my path and you
know, dr James said this most ofmy teachers have said I wasn't
called traditionally, like Ididn't have a call to become a
minister.
It just kept coming at me, youknow, and so I just follow the
breadcrumbs and there's justnothing I love more than
inspiring people and makingpeople feel good with my

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expression.
So a minister is such a perfectfit in a way.

In your travel so I know you have had
the opportunity to speak at, toperform at different centers.
How unusual is it in yourexperience to see a minister
that does both that does music,that sings, but is also the lead
minister at that center?

You know, it seems to be becoming more and
more common, right?
So you've got James, and thenyou've got Michael.
Gott and you've got yep, you'vegot Michael Gott, you've got
Richard Burdick, who is wherethe Atlanta.
He was also a music director atsome point.
I think it can be a naturalprogression for music directors,
but it's not that common.
You know, a music director isusually a separate entity from

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the minister.
So it's not that common.
But it seems to be coming moreand more common because as the
musicians come up and realize,wow, I am ministering and I'm
sort of, one of the things isI'm a little bit tired of
traveling the whole nation, I'dlike to sit in in a little bit
of a more, you know, solid spaceand you know, usually a salary

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of a minister is going to bebetter than the salary of a
music director.
And so you think about it likea job and you think I'm already
doing this job.
So maybe I just learn and Ithink we have to be constantly
growing, and I mean the wholeway the unfoldment happened
about becoming a minister andstudying with you and all of
that.
I mean I'll never forget myfirst day in school with you

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guys, which was on zoom, ofcourse, cause I'm in North
Carolina and they're all inCalifornia, but they were all in
California, you were all inCalifornia.
I remember sitting there,looking at all the faces and
feeling the energy in the roomand thinking am I good enough to
be here?
Like, am I the?
The vibration was so high, theconsciousness was so high.
I can still remember just beingin absolute awe that this is

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where life had taken me.
And so I, just I.
My peers that have come out ofthat have been you, and I mean
Lasia, and just my friends.
I have a whole Genevieve.
I have this whole new group offriends that it's almost like a
I level, like I leveled up in agame or something.
I was like whoop, okay, newlevel, new peers, new experience
.
And I'm just honored, honestly,I'm honored to be a minister of

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James Mellon, of Reverend DrJames Mellon's.
You know a Mellonite.
I call myself a Mellonite.

I haven't heard that I like that.

Metacostal melanite.
I'm a metacostal melanite.

That's a great term.

That's kind of a tongue twister.

Who else have you when you think about
musical performers, when youthink about other speakers that
you've seen?
Who inspires you?
Whose work do you love, wouldyou be like?
Oh, I'd love to share a stagewith this person or that person.

Yeah, I mean I can't not mention one of my
first teachers also, ChristySnow, who's also a minister and
a teacher and she's wildlyinspiring to me.
I've gotten to share the stagewith her.
I've gotten to share the stagewith most of my heroes, like
Karen Drucker, who I havelistened to her CDs on repeat

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for years, invited me to be apart of her prayer thing the
other night and I sang a fewsongs and I mean I am still
incredibly intimidated by herand very like I act like a goofy
teenager around her.
So there's Karen.
Of course, there's a lot offolks from the New Thought world
that I'm in awe of, includingRicky Byers.

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These songs that we all sing,we all sing these songs and it's
amazing to me that there's nota Grammy section for New Thought
music, because the music ofGary Lynn Floyd and Jamie Lula
and Laura Berman these peopleare absolutely on par with
anything you would hear on theradio and beyond, because it's
consciousness music, right, amyBishop?

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I mean these names are-.

Daniel Naimod, please you know.

Daniel Naimod.
He was there on Monday Nightwith and he's another one.
I act very much like a teenagegirl around him.
I'm like, hi, Daniel, I'm stillintimidated.
David Ault Some of these peopleare just, they're legends,
they're living.
Oh, how can I not mention EddieWatkins Jr?
I mean, this man is my friendand I still am in absolute awe.

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He's a living legend, in myopinion, and so many of the
teachers and the preachers andthe singers that I've seen have
just.
This world is so.
We are so lucky to be aliveright now with what's happening
in consciousness and in thismovement.
I really think it's cool.

You've had we talk about.
You're traveling aroundspeaking at different centers,
so you've had the experience ofbeing at unity centers, centers
for spiritual living, otherchurches in different parts of
the country.
How do you see differences, orare they similar enough?
Like?
What do you see as thedifferences between the places

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you travel, and maybe alsogeographically, like if you're
doing a gig in the South versusa gig in the Midwest any
differences there?

Well, first of all, I would say that a
biggest difference in a servicethat I've seen is when you have
a musical minister.
When you have a musicalminister, they understand the
power of music and the powerthat music is to transition.
It's seamless.
When you have either a goodmusic director or a good

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minister that does music, thatis a huge thing.
That is changes the entirevibration of a church, um or of
the center.
I think that there are some thatare, I would say, unity.
You're going to hear Christ,you're going to hear Jesus a lot
more, which can be hard forpeople who are brought up Jewish

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or people who are not religiousat all.
I would say, in the South youhear a lot more the word God
even.
You know.
The more West you go, the moreyou hear consciousness, the more
you hear love, you know, themore you hear something that's
more inclusive and lessfear-based.
But everywhere you go, this is,this is where the highest

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consciousness in the city is.
Is you're going to find it atthe center or at the unity?
You know that's where you'regoing to find it, and I find
that there's a huge similaritybetween all of them, which is
that people are coming therebecause they know it feels good
to be there, like you go to acenter and you feel better when

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you leave, like that's why Ikeep going and I keep singing
and I keep.
I just it's like medicine.
It really is medicine for thesoul.

When you are in the audience or you're
listening to another speaker,another performer are you?
Do you ever like take notes andgo?
Oh, I love what they did there.
Like I'm going to steal that.
And I share this because when Iwas at Anton there was a
speaker there who had the slotlate in the evening, so after
dinner they were the secondspeaker.
You know you're as an audience,you're maybe sort of starting

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to move towards being a littletired.
So this speaker very smartlyincorporated audience response,
like he had on his slidesquestions that he wanted us to
say back to him, and it justcreated this great energy.
So I'm sure you must pick upthings where you're like, oh my
God, I'm going to totally stealthat.

All the time .
In fact, on Monday night, MamaDrucker, Karen Drucker, did this
thing on Zoom that I've neverseen before.
She said put your hands up inyour little box and send energy.
Have you seen that before?

No, that's awesome.

Send energy to the square behind you Now.
Send energy above you and belowyou.
I was like stolen doing that,absolutely.
And then Richard Burdick, downin Atlanta, he speaks very
evangelical-ly.
When he's a metacostal he'slike and this, and from this
sort of almost, I would saymaybe I don't want to say

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performative, but like, like,there's this, it's very much in
line with how I want to soundand be, and so there's there's
attitudes that I like to take onand there's certain ministers
that I go.
Oh God, that was a little heavy.
On the personal side of things,I don't really want to go that
deep into myself.
I don't want to be up theretalking about myself the whole

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time.
I want to make sure that Ibalance the I-you asking you, I
like when there's inquiry, Ilike when there's experiential
even.
There's a wonderful ministernamed Jackie Fernandez who I
also dream of working withsomeday, and she's at Unity of
Overland Park right of workingwith someday, and she's at um,
unity of Overland Park, rightthere near Unity Village, and

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she's a good friend of mine too.
We're just getting close.
I'm just, I'm really loving myfriendship with her as it's, as
it's unfolding, but she does alot of experiential stuff.
The other I was with her last acouple of weeks ago and she did
her whole.
The service was about breathingand we did box breathing and
all different kinds of spaciousbreathing and that was the.
That was the service with,along with some music and prayer

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and stuff, but it was like wow,this is cool, like experiential
stuff.
You know, I'm really into that.
From class, like, we did a lotof, I always wanted to do
something that involved you, sothat it's not just you're
sitting there listening thewhole time, right, yeah, no,
your stuff is always creative.

I have a question too also, when you're
preparing to talk because I sawyou obviously did a lot of
presentations in our class Didyou use Canva to create the
graphics and your sort ofPowerPoint images?

Yes, yeah, you do a nice job with that.
Thank you, I mean coming fromyou.
That's a big deal, becauseyou're like do you use Canva?

I use it for some things, but for
PowerPoint, like if I'm creatinga slide deck I use I'll start
with having the talk written outand then I'll start building
slides.
And then, as I'm buildingslides, new things occur to me,
new juxtapositions.

But you don't build them in Canva, you
build them in PowerPoint.

No, I'll create the image somewhere in
PowerPoint, but I always lovewhat you did in Canva and I'm
like you and I got to offline.
I want to learn more about thatbecause I love what you do.

I love praying with you every week and
I was thinking about you todaybecause you know we were going
to do this and I was thinking.
I just have this feeling thatyou and I are going to do
something creative together atsome point.
I don't know what it is, butwhen you have talked to me about
some of your ideas for you know, shows, or even you know I had
the idea the other day, AllRevved Up is such a great idea

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for a.
You know we both loved theEnglish Teacher and you know for
like almost as a sitcom aboutnew thought, like you know,
bringing I.
Just I feel like we are very,we have similar creative
expression, and so I hope thatwe do create something amazing.
And we're both into theentertainment world, you know,
into television and movies, andso I don't know who knows what's

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unfolding right With ourfriendship.

Yeah, and I agree and I'm very much of the
belief that about a year or twoago I kind of I made a change in
how I thought about my life andeverything that led up to this
moment, because I used to thinkall of these different things
that I did, these differentcareers, were dead ends.
And then it hit me and I go butwhat if they're actually?

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They were all experiences thatset me up to do exactly what I'm
doing now.

Because you know how to write the script for
All Read Up.
I don't know that.
Right, I know how to write thejokes into content stuff, but
you know how to actually formata script.
You are a playwright or afilmmaker.
So do you know, like I agreewith that and I love that, I
love how life does that you go.
Oh, that's why I, you ever, youever have something around the

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house like little I don't know,like little plastic rubber bands
that you kept for you don'tknow why, and then you
absolutely need them forsomething that you, months later
that you go.
Oh, I remember I have thoserubber bands right, like it's.
That's how life is always sortof working itself out in this
really cool way, so yeah,Awesome.

Well, I want to move now to the
lightning round, so I'm going toask.
I'm going to ask you a handfulof questions and they can be yes
or no, whatever comes to mymind or whatever comes to your
mind, and if we want to liketalk about something more, we'll
jump on it afterwards.
Are you ready?
I'm excited, Okay.
So number one have you evermanifested a parking spot or

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first class upgrade usingscience of mind?

Absolutely Multiple times.

Okay, cool.
What is the most important partof your morning spiritual
practice?

Meditation, okay Sitting quietly Okay.

What is a TV show, movie or book that you
think perfectly demonstrates newthought principles?

Everything, everywhere, all at once, I guess
.

There you go.
Love that.
What's a book you findinfluential for you?
The Alchemist by Paolo Coelho.
Oh, I love that.
Love that.
What's a book you findinfluential for you?

The Alchemist by Paolo Coelho.
Oh, I love that.

Number one.
Yeah, for sure, for sure.

It was like the first time I read it was
many years before I foundreligious science.
Oh sorry, this is a lightninground, but I remember-.

No, no, we can diverge on the Alchemist I
love it.

It's just, and it was when I started my own
online ministry during thepandemic, which we didn't go
into that, but maybe the nexttime I'm on I'll rev it up.
We'll talk about that.
But I went, that was my firstbook that I wanted to dive into
and you know, it's justexquisite.

Yeah, it is and it and it.
Just again, I'm diverting onthe lightning round, but I gave
that book to my daughter, who's24.
She read it and it was reallyimpactful to her.

That is it Probably the age I read it.
You know, that's the perfectage to read that book, yep.

Okay, so we use the terms God,
consciousness, the universe, thething itself, quantum field.
What do you find yourself usingthe most?

Love.

Love, I love that.
Okay, you could invite oneperson for dinner Ernest Holmes,
ralph Waldo, emerson, gandhi orOprah.
Who's coming over to dinner?
Ernie for sure.
What's one thing people mightbe surprised to know about you.

I came out, I had my first girlfriend when I
was 40.
That's pretty cool and weirdand different.
I love that yeah.

All right.
Aside from being a minister,speaker or performer, what's one
career or job that you couldimagine yourself having?

Television writer with.

Thor I love that what's the most impactful
thing you've learned from any ofyour teachers.

I am the all of God.

All right, you could have a New York Times
bestseller, a Grammy, or haveyour own show on Netflix.
Which would you choose?
Show on Netflix with Thor.
You're really pushing this show.
I love it.

I'm nailing that, I'm hammering it.

Okay, good, all right.
Next last question you couldbring about world peace, but you
could never tell anyone, noteven your partner.
Could you do it?

Absolutely.

Okay, good answer.

I mean I've been a 12-stepper like my whole
life, so, yeah, that's like oneof the well, one of the things
they say they teach you aboutquote humility, which you can't
ever say you're humble but is dosomething nice and don't tell
anybody about it.
And so I try to do those kindsof things often and if I can
bring about world peace, I mean,come on, what's the harm in me

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not telling anyone?
You know what?

I mean Okay , but just to put it to the acid
test, let's say you're sittingwith a bunch of your friends,
you're watching TV, and on TVthey're like peace has been
declared in the Middle East.
You're not going to turn tosomeone and go.
That was me.

Nah, I'd be like, do you have any Doritos?

All right, good.
Last question this show iscalled All Revved Up.
What's one thing that gets yourevved up Good?

television.

Back to television.

No what gets me revved up.
Honestly, though, good art,good creative expression,
painting, painting whilelistening to loud, loud music,
pop music.
I love popular music.
I love to listen to AppleiTunes and be current, because
then I'm in the zeitgeist, likeI can feel what's going on with

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the collective consciousness, sothat gets me excited.
And of course, you know otherministers and other spiritual
teachers.
I want to ask you the questionsback, like I want to know what
gets you ready.

You know what I'll say for me.
I agree with music.
Yesterday morning I didn't wantto listen to anything except
music, and there's one piece ofmusic that, if I put it on, it
just revs me up, and it's-.

Are you going to tell me what it is?

I am going to tell you what it is.

Okay.

It's the John Williams theme for the
movie Superman.
Oh yeah, I can listen to that.
I've heard it hundreds andhundreds of times.

Were you born in 73?
.

No, no, I was born in 61.

Oh, okay, I thought you were as happy as.

So I actually saw the original
Superman with Christopher Reevein the movie theater when it
first came out.
Blew my mind.

It's one of my favorite movies of all time
time and it was one of the firstthings that I learned to play
on the piano.
Um, I don't think I can play itnow, but but I yeah, I don't
think I can now, but that waslike the theme.
I can.
I feel you, john williams, allthe way yeah, it's.

Uh, that is probably, and I I'm actually
going to do an episode on on thethemes in that movie because
it's so-.

Put a link to that underneath this too.
Okay, look at you, you'retotally like podcast producer
here.
I really want to be able to golook at and find it.

I will, I will All right.
So advice, two pieces of advice.
Current Amy is going to giveadvice to young starting out.
Amy, what, if anything, wouldyou tell yourself to do
differently or to explore more?

I would just tell her she's exactly where
she needs to be and to trust theunfolding and just really love
herself a little more.
I mean, self-love has been thejourney for me and I'm still on
it, on that journey to reallyaccepting and loving myself, and

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I think that the more I do it,the more I can teach it.
And yeah, so, love yourself,little kid, love yourself, ames.

And in terms of newer ministers, people
that are just starting out,maybe they're practitioners or
they're on that journey.
From your own perspective, ofyour journey to become a
minister, what would you say tothem?

Well, two things.
Number one find a teacher thatjust lights you up.
It wasn't with James, I don'tthink it would have been anybody
else, I don't think I wouldhave gone through the, I just
wouldn't have done it.
And so find yourself a JamesMellon or somebody that you want
to be like, that you go.
I want that life that you know.

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And then the second thing, ofcourse, is is massage.
Get massages often.

Okay, so now I want you to to to last
question is talk about not justthe future of, of new thought,
of spiritual centers, but whatdo you see if you were going to
design a center from the groundup, from scratch?
What one or two elements do youthink every successful center
in that vision would have?

I love the idea of a center being a hub and
I love when centers have likereally great gift shops and
bookshops.
So in my vision of a real like,when I was deciding to do House
of Love and Light, I was sortof imagining that there was this
center where there was thisamazing, you know library space

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slash cafe where you could goand you could just you could
just read and study, and maybeeven there would be a creative
space in there and there alwaysbe things going on.
There's this place in CharlotteI don't know if it's still
there.
It was called the 24 hourprayer room and it was always
open, there was always somebodythere and it was the most
awesome place because every wallwas covered with different

(59:38):
things, Like one had a post-itnote for gratitudes, another had
a map of the world and then youcould write things about.
In other words, a veryinteractive space I would have
in my dream center.
It would absolutely have somekind of a labyrinth in the back
and then it would just have.
I would have a normal serviceProbably.
I would have two services aweek, a midweek, and then either

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a Sunday or Saturday, maybeeven Friday night.
Change things up.
I think people are getting alittle tired of the Sunday
morning thing, but I thinkoutside the box.
Another thing is that I servedas a minister for six months at
a place here in Asheville calledJubilee.
We didn't touch upon thateither which for next time but
that was in the round and thatwas really, really cool.

(01:00:25):
Everything was set up in theround and then for each via
because it was a creationspirituality church the minister
moved to the differentdirection.
So in other words, they're inthe north and they're in the
south, so the podium would moveand then he would move about or
I, when I was minister, wouldmove about the space and I loved
that.
So if I had my own church Iwould probably design it like

(01:00:48):
that again, because it givespeople this sense they can see
each other right when you're inthe round.
It's wild.

Rev. Thor Challgren (01:00:55):
I love that .
Well, I feel like, would you bewilling to share one final song
to close this out here,something that we can end on?
I would love that, and.
I thank you so much for beingmy guest on the show today, and
I loved our conversation.
Of course, I always love ourconversation, but this was
really special.

Rev. Amy Steinberg (01:01:15):
Like every time we have a conversation I'm
like I wish we would haverecorded that.
Or like our prayers are alwaysso good and like I just I love
you so much and it's been.
If for anybody who's listening,who doesn't know, we were set
up by James.
James did a matchmaking for usfor a prayer.
He said I want you to have aprayer, thor, to be your prayer

(01:01:35):
partner, and we were in classtogether, but we weren't like
friends by any stretch, like wewere just like I was a little
bit intimidated, in fact,because he's like the best
student ever.
So it's just been such apleasure and honor being your
prayer partner and now yourfriend.
So this is called Power.
I'll sing a song for you.
It's from my CD called Intimatewith the Infinite, which is all

(01:02:01):
new thought songs.
There's a power in a seedreminding itself how to become a
tree.
There's a power in a cell andit's capable of making a you or
a me.
There's a power in a wordvibrating at a frequency, and

(01:02:25):
there's a power inside thatpower, inside that power it's
love, love, love love, love,that's right.
Love, love, love, and you canfeel it revealed.
When an open, broken heartbegins to be healed, it breaks

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like the sky.
When a long, dark night startsspinning on the wheel of the
world, watch it rise.
Out of the ashes comes anotherday of bright light shining
through your eyes.
So much surprise every time wefall in love.
Love, love, love, love.
You can sing along if you'relistening.

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Love, love, love, love, love.
There's a force in the fist,but when unclenchedched it
ceases to exist.
It shifts into light.
So much freedom releases fromthe wrist.

(01:03:29):
So insist on bliss, insist onbliss, insist on bliss, insist
on bliss, insist on bliss,insist on bliss.
And love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love,
love, love, love, love, love,love, love, love, love, love,

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love.
In a seed, reminding itself howto become a tree.
There's a power in a cell andit's capable of making you or me
.
There's a power in a word lovevibrating at a frequency, and

(01:04:13):
there's a power inside thatpower and back of all that power
, you.
You know what it is.
You know what it is it's love.

Awesome, love it, reverend Amy Steinberg.
Thank you so much.

My pleasure.

Namaste.

I love you.

Love you too.

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