When The Time Comes, I'll Know

A kind, wealthy older gentleman becomes the target of an experienced con artist, who gradually takes control of his finances, until his family realizes what is happening and tries to stop it.

Allegedly is a production of Voyage Media. The series is produced by Nat Mundel, Robert Mitas, and Dan Benamor. This episode, "When The Time Comes, I'll Know", was written, produced and directed by Jason Cheyney, based on the books "When The Time Comes, I'll Know" and "The Trail of Greed Leads To Black Letter Law" by Sallee Burns, currently available on Amazon:

https://www.amazon.com/When-Time-Comes-Ill-Know/dp/B09WQ17WXK

https://www.amazon.com/Trail-Greed-Leads-Black-Letter/dp/B09ZYYVTQB

Starring Jerome St. Jerome as Verne, and Aliee Chan, as Rima. Original music by Derlis Gonzalez. Edited, sound designed, and mixed, by John Higgins. If you're enjoying the show, please leave us a 5-star review on Apple Podcasts, or anywhere you're listening, and subscribe now for future episodes.

Episode Transcript

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There's an old saying that declares moneyisn't everything, but for some people,
money is the only thing, andthose people will go to great lengths to
grab as much money as possible fromany source available. In this story,
a woman arrives in a small townand meets a generous older man. The
man is a wealthy business owner andveteran who invested wisely in the stock market

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throughout his life. My uncle Vernwas one of the greatest nicest guys I've
ever met. Vern was a veteranfrom Lynchburg, Ohio. He grew up
in the farming industry, but decidedearly in his life that he did not
want to be a farmer. Attwenty three years old, he moved to

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the town of Shamokin, Pennsylvania.Verne saw the potential for business in the
town and loved the beauty of themmountains. As he grew up in southern
Ohio, the most he ever sawwas a hill, so the picturesque scenery
took his breath away. Vern openedup a business called the Shimokan Equipment Company
to help furnish the homes, bars, restaurants, and hotels in the area.

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His business offered every and any itemfor home or bar, from kitchen
appliances to air conditioners. Vern alwayssold the most up to date styles and
his company did well. Then Vernbegan learning about the stock market and the
best way to invest his money.He was very frugal, and he kept
just enough money for his daily needswhile investing the rest in the market.

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He also invested in some real estatein town, buying a three story apartment
building. He chose to live onthe third floor, where the view was
better, and he rented out thetwo lower floors. Eventually, Vern owned
a list of stocks that represented everyletter of the alphabet. Letter A stood
for his AT and T stock,of which he owned a whopping ten thy

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five hundred shares. He soon becamea multi millionaire. Vern enjoyed his wealth
and dated many ladies for different amountsof time. Whenever a romantic relationship ended,
Vern always remained friends and stayed incontact by phone or an occasional dinner.
At one point, he was deeplyin love with a woman in Shamokin

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and wanted to marry her. Heeven joined the local country club to get
closer to her. Unfortunately, herfather didn't like Vern, and that rejection
ended the couple's relationship. Vern,now in his seventies, continued to run
the Shamokin Equipment company while investing instocks. One afternoon, a woman visited

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Vern's business to look into equipment sheneeded to redecorate the local hotel. Let's
call the woman Rema. Vern helpedRema and gave her access to everything she
needed. Hello, miss, welcometo Chimoku Equipment. How can I help
you today? I need the furniturealrighty for your home. No, I

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am redecorating a hotel the places atdump. Okay, well, I've got
a big selection of tables and chairs, barstools, anything you need. I
don't want anything cheap. So theowner is paying. I don't really care
how much it costs. We cancharge him for whatever I buy. Okay,
well, you should probably buy thebest items for the needs of the

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hotel, not just the most expensiveitems. The best items are the most
expensive ones he's paying, so let'scharge him a lot of money. Okay,
Well, let me show you whatI have. After their first encounter,
Rema befriended Verne and they go outto dinner, where he learned more
about her. This place is nice, Yeah, I think it's the best

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steakhouse in town. So tell meabout yourself. Where are you from?
I was born and raised in Lebanon. From when I was a girl,
I always wanted to have money andbe somebody. I got married to a
mean man who hit me all thetime. He forced me to get the
job and earn money. I'm sorryI may have to interrupt here. Sometimes

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her husband wasn't abusive. Reema actuallywasn't satisfied with the money he earned,
and she chose to work and tryto earn more. Well, he sounds
like a real jerk. So whatdid you do for work? I worked
in a restaurant. What kind ofrestaurant? A steakhouse restaurant? Actually,

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she was a lady of the night. She learned all the tricks of the
trade and had other girls working forher. Her business venture was short lived
as local police discovered the illegal activity. Luckily for Rema, someone informed her
of the upcoming raid and she tookall her money and any belongings she could
carry to the local port. Fromthere, she sailed off to the Venezuela,

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where she had a few relatives.I decided to go to Venezuela,
and then I went to Mexico.That's a lot of traveling. What did
you do in Mexico? I workedat the border with the Red Cross.
I was good with people. TheRed Cross in Texas gave me a green
car to help them. It wasa six month visa. Then I decided

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to take a bus and live inPennsylvania. Oh so you traveled from Texas
to Shamokin. Yeah, I wentstraight to Shamokin. Why did you choose
Shamokin? I uh, I likedthe name of it. So here's the
truth. Rema's visa expired and shebought a bus ticket headed east with the

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hope of getting lost in the hugepopulation of New York City. She didn't
make it to New York, though, she ran out of money by the
time she reached Harrisburg, Pennsylvania.You know what, let me take it
from here to explain her time inPennsylvania. In Harrisburg, Rema took a
job as a waitress in the localrestaurant. She befriended a young man named

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John, who ate lunch at therestaurant every day, and the two were
married not long after. The marriagelasted one month, as Rema left John
because he didn't earn enough money forthe lifestyle she wanted. She headed north
on a bus and John never sawher again. He was granted a divorce
A couple of years later, Remalanded in Bloomsburg, Pennsylvania, and began

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working in the kitchen of a localhotel. Her job afforded her both a
room and food. The situation wasperfect, but she and the married hotel
owners started an affair. When theowner's longtime wife discovered her husband was cheating,
Rema was asked to leave. Remawasn't leaving quietly, though, She

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threatened to publicly expose the owner's infidelities, so he offered her fifteen thousand dollars
to leave town. Rema was goneby the end of the day. For
her next stop, Rema traveled toWilkesbury, Pennsylvania, where she was hired
to work in cold food storage ata hotel. Meanwhile, the local hotel

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in the nearby area of Shamokin wasstruggling and in need of help with reservations.
The owner of the Jefferson Hotel thenhired Rema to help cook and put
the hotel on the map. Shewould end up doing more than that.
She lived in the hotel, ranthe kitchen a dining room, and started
working on redecorating the establishment, whichtakes us back to how she met vern.

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In case you're wondering how I knowall Rema's backstory, I'll explain that
later. Over time, Verne andRema continued to have more dinners and got
more acquainted. At one point,though, Rema became angry with Verne when
he refused to let her buy herhotel needs on credit. I want to
buy all this furniture on credit credit, Rema. I'm not comfortable with that.

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Why not? Don't be a pain? Verne. I don't accept credit.
I never have what. You're beingstupid, Arima. You're not being
logical. Give me what I want. No, I can't do that.
You're being an idiot. Even withouther furniture on credit, Rema continued to

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help popularize the Jefferson Hotel in herown way. She added upstairs card games
for men, where she served themdrinks and dessert. Conversations eventually started around
including more than dessert. Rema suggestedadding girls to the evening card games,

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some things she had passed experience in. Rema went into town and recruited girls,
mostly teenagers to attend the evening events. She would approach girls on the
street, Hey, do you needmoney? Are you looking for a job.
I can pay you a lot ofmoney to come work into my hotel.
Come with me, I'll give youa job. Prostitution in small towns

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is more common than people think,and it's often underreported. In the Journal
of Sociology and Social Work, therewas a report on prostitution in rural counties
after interviews with law enforcement and socialworkers. The report mentions, quote our
data hints that prostitution may be farmore common than official statistics suggest. The
report also details that often prostitution inrural areas can be an economic strategy to

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deal with unemployment and poverty in theregion, but it can also be related
to drug use. With some ofthe girls in the town working in the
hotel started rolling in, Rema moreor less served as the position of a
pimp. Generally, pimps are menwho control prostitutes and arrange sexual encounters while
taking some of their earnings. Remapositioned herself as this type of nefarious agent.

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Some of the prostitution money went intothe hotel cash register, but most
of it went into Rema's purse.Meanwhile, the owner of the hotel now
had several new business ventures, andhe moved his family away from Shimochen.
He still visited the hotel when hecould, and one afternoon he noticed a
young woman leaning up against the sideof the building. He asked what she

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was doing there, and she replied, I work here. Are you looking
for a good time? The ownertold the girl to leave, and he
ran into the hotel to find Remaheiious. He fired Rema and ordered her
to get out immediately. Rema snappedand started swinging, but didn't don't land
any punches. She gathered her belongingsand left the hotel, but not before

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giving the owner a piece of hermind. I made this hotel big.
I made a lot of money foryou, you stupid king idiot. You
I don't care if I use girlsto bring in customers. It works.
You are going to get pay forthis, You'll see you. Reema broke

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into the hotel that same night andwashed her clothes in the kitchen sink.
The next morning, the owner foundher sleeping on the banquet table with her
clothes drying off. The owner calledthe police, who removed her from the
building. She then reached out toVerne and fabricated a story about abuse at
the hotel. What happened exactly?The owner he beat me up, He

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abused me. He punched me inthe face. Well, luckily, it
doesn't look like he hurt you atall. You don't have a black eye
or any bruises. Oh no,I mean he punched me in the stomach.
Wow, that's terrible. I needto sue him, but they don't
have any money. Oh, Ican let you use my attorney and you

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can pay me back when you getback on your feet. What I am
already on my feet. It's anexpression. You can pay me back when
you have money again. Okay.Vern wasn't usually a fan of just giving
people money. He would always beopen to lending money to anyone who asked,

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but he expected to be paid back. He disliked freeloaders who use people
for money, but he would givepeople money in certain circumstances. At one
point, his friend's mother needed surgery, and Vern gave him the money without
question. That wasn't cheap. Vern'skindness, though, could be taken advantage
of, and Rema was becoming wellaware of this fact. Vern's attorney soon

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recognized Rema's abuse story for what ittruly was, and he suggested she find
another lawyer. Rema not only liedabout abuse, she accused the owner of
the hotel of being complicit in theprostitution. It took the owner ten years
to fight her in court, andafter one of the girls confessed that Rema
was lying, the owner finally wonhis case, ending his nightmare. Meanwhile,

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Rema asked Fern for help with aplace to live. Vern was very
patriotic, though, and refused togrant one of his apartments to someone who
wasn't a tax paying citizen. Verne, you have an apartment building. Let
me live in one of the apartments, Rema. I can't let you live
there if you aren't paying your sharein taxes. Taxes, I already left

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taxes. Who cares about taxes?Give me a place to live? No,
not Texas, I'm talking about payingyour just Let me reach out to
my friend Betty. Who's Betty.She's my friend. She might have a
place for you. Good. Reachout to Betty. Contacted at Betty,
who owned a large home with farerooms. Betty agreed to let Riema rent

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a room, not long after,Rema started to notice Erne's possessions. Vern
owned a nice car and he generallydressed well. Once a year he would
travel to New York and buy silkties and monogram shirts. Rema soon realized
that Vern was wealthy and had nofamily in Shamokin. That's when Vern became
her new target. Vern, youdon't have any family in Shamokin. No,

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No, most of them are inOhio. Huh. I saw you
have a nice car. Thanks,it's a Cadillac, my favorite kind of
car. I think they're really wellmade. Expensive. Yeah, it's not
a cheap car. Vern. Doyou have a lot of money? Huh,

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I don't like to talk about thosethings. You spend money in the
stock markets? Oh? Yes,I love investing and finding great stocks.
You can teach me. Sure,I can give you some tips. Make
me rich like you. Huh.After realizing Verne was wealthy, Rima then

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noticed that he paid a couple toclean his apartment, and she decided to
try to take their jobs. Thecloser she could get to Erne's money,
the better. Vern. Those peoplethat clean your apartments do a bad,
bad job. Really, they alwaysseem very efficient to me. No,
I am more effishing. Hire meto clean and I'll cook for you too.

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You know I am a good cook. Well, I wouldn't mind a
hot meal. You can give memoney each week and I'll buy you food.
Okay, I'll pay you once aweek and give you money for my
groceries. Yes, hire me allright. Outside of Verne, the people

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of Shimoke and weren't welcoming to Rema. Some folks were just racist and didn't
like her accent, while others wereaware of her misdeeds and prostitution at the
hotel. She still determined, though, to get something out of any of
the small town folks that she cando. She already victimized the hotel owner,
some of the girls in the area, and was working on vern but
there was more bilking to be done. Next up were the generous and kind

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folks of Shimokin. As Rema wasnow settled in Betty's home and working for
Verne, she devised a plan toget her sister and two nephews into the
United States from Lebanon. Rema startedto cry around certain people in town,
who then offered to console her.She complained about missing her family and being
unable to afford to bring them tothe US. As more people around town

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heard her story, a group ofthem decided to help and gathered a fund.
Betty agreed to renovate the upstairs ofher home where Rema lived, adding
a kitchenette and another bathroom. Thepeople in town used the fund to pay
for the construction, and when complete, Rema's sister and her two sons arrived
in town and moved in. Theboys then enrolled in the local high school.

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Vern had a soft spot for theboys and agreed to help out.
Reema would help out in her ownway. She took half the food that
she purchased for Vern each week,using his money, of course, and
gave it to her sister and nephews. Have you seen my cereal? No?
What about the milk? Didn't youjust go shopping? You drank it
all? I don't think so.You don't remember. I don't think you

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bought any You're just confused, Vern, I'm not confused enough. When Vern
turned seventy eight years old, hedecided to finally sell his business to a
loyal employee of seventeen years, forno longer had the stamina to run the
business and the way he demanded ofhimself. The Shimokan Equipment company was now

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under new ownership. At this point, Vern's eyesight was failing and he had
several minor car accidents which sent hisinsurance skyrocketing. Rema offered to be his
chauffeur. If Verne needed to dependon her for transportation, she would have
even more control over him. Sheof course, needed to learn to drive

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first, Vern, I shall driveyou around. You can't drive good anymore.
Mm. Yeah, my eyes aren'twhat they used to be. But
you don't even know how to drive. So find someone to show me how.
Let me see what I can do. Find someone Vern. So another
request from Rima from Vern, whowas kindly accommodating as usual, His friend

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and the police department agreed to teachRima to drive, and she received her
license. She then offered to drivefor Vern, but she also wanted more.
Okay, I have my license now, so I can drive you.
That's really great, congratulations, Rema. You need to let me move in
now? Move in? Yes?Uh? You want to live with me?

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Yes? Let me sleep on thecouch? Well yes, um,
yes, okay yes. At thispoint, Rema had wormed her way completely
into Vern's life by taking advantage ofhis kind nature. He depended on her
for food, transportation, and nowshe was literally in his home, which
gave her access to him and hispossessions. Twenty four to seven, while

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living in Vern's home, Rema askedhim again to give her advice about the
stock market. Vern, what stockshould I buy? Well, you should
look for companies that you think havea real future. What companies you have
to research and read about them?Communication companies are good. Everyone needs to
communicate. But what company I've mademoney from? AT and T stock?

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Okay, I'll buy that. Well, it's in expensive stock. You need
to spend a lot of money tobuy anything substantial. Okay, I spend
a lot of money. I'm notsure you have enough. I'm talking thousands
and thousands. Don't worry, Ihave money. Rema then began buying her
own stock using Verne's money and anyof his guidance. She discovered the combination

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of his safe and in it hehad ninety five thousand dollars in bearer bonds.
Reema took one bearer bond worth fivethousand dollars, assuming Vern, but
never noticed he never did. Shehad no clue what to do with the
bond, so she reached out toa local attorney. She Liden said that
Vern gave it to her and askedhow she could cash it. She then

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deposited the bond into her bank account. A bear bond is a physical certificate
with coupons attached that are used toredeem the interest payments. As the ownership
is not registered, the owner ofa bear bond is simply the person in
possession of it. Because of this, bear bonds are as vulnerable as cash
to being stolen. Bear bonds arenow virtually extinct in the US because the

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lack of registration made them ideal foruse in money laundering, tax evasion,
and in this case, theft.Over the next several years, Vern unfortunately
suffered constant loss of fail. First, his nephew passed away, two years
later, his brother in law passedaway, and two years after that his
sister passed away. Nevertheless, Vernestill enjoyed calling and seeing his remaining family

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on holidays. One summer, mymom and my family visited Vern in Shimokin.
He welcomed us with open arms anda big smile. He pulled pictures
of our children from his desk stoerand named each one of them. That's
Kristen. There's Michael. His name'sJeff. Hello, h Rema. This
is my housekeeper, cook and driver. Rema. Hello, nice to meet

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you. Come eat. I havedinner for everyone. Rema seemed kind and
she prepared a delicious dinner for us. She was a very good cook.
Vern was in good spirits and hesang an Irish song and his beautiful tenor
voice. Just two years later,Vern was unfortunately aging quickly, both physically

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and mentally. He had trouble walkingand could only climb the stairs to his
own apartment once a day. OnVern's ninetieth birthday, our family visited him
in Shamokin. We asked Rema ifwe could invite some of Verne's friends,
but her response was that they wereall either dead or just wanted his money.
After our visit, I mentioned toRema to please contact us if he

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was ever in need of anything atall. Six months later, Verne entered
the Shamokin hospital. No diagnosis wasconfirmed, but the first actor who examined
him thought it was the flu.My mom and I wanted to see Vern,
so we called Rema. Hello,No, don't come to visit.
Vern is back from the hospital anddoing better. Anyway, don't come here.

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Whenever we called to speak with Vern, Rema gave an excuse. Hello,
No, he can't talk. He'ssleeping. I don't want to wake
him. Hello, No, hecan't talk. His teeth are out.
He's embarased. We kept calling andcalling Vern, but received no contact from

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him. Rema was definitely trying toget us out of the picture. After
many unanswered calls, Rema finally calledback and informed us that Vern was in
the Via Hospital in Washington, dC. Rema purchased an expensive home in
nearby Alexandria and traveled there every weekend. At this point, Rema's sister and
nephews moved to Philadelphia, where theboys started college. With practically no contact

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from Rema, my mom and Idecided to drive to the Via Hospital in
Washington to find out what was goingon. When we arrived at the hospital,
we were informed that Vern was nolonger there and that they were unaware
of where he currently resided. Weasked the hospital to reach out to Rema
to find out where Verne was located. Hello, where's Vern? Who's asking?

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No, don't tell them where heis, with Rema refusing to give
us Verne's location, We called aroundto local nursing homes to see if we
could find him. We eventually didon our fourth try. We made arrangements
with the nursing home to see him. When we visited Vern, he looked
unhealthy and unfortunately couldn't remember who wewere. Hi, thanks so much for

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visiting me. I can't recall yournames right now? Where do I know
you ladies from? After about tenminutes, Rema came bursting in, Oh,
you should have told me you werecoming. I would have made a
party. I take the two ofyou to lunch. We agreed, accepted

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her insincerity. During lunch, Remadiscussed a new will that Vern supposedly wrote
but hadn't signed yet. Rema mentionedthat she's waiting for Vern to have a
lucid day so he could sign anew will. Vern said he needed to
change his will. He thought itwas old and it needed to be more
new, but after he wrote it, he forgot to se I'll make sure

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he signs it when he remembers again. Attempts to forge wills sent her around
three strategies. First, there's theinvalid signature where the person photocopies, traces
or handwrites the person's name on thewill. Second, there's the invalid witness,
where either a fake witness is usedor their signatures for us as well.

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Third, there's the lack of capacity, where the will is signed by
the person but they are not ofsound mind for it to be legal.
After lunch, Rema gave us atour of her luxurious Alexandria home. She
spent four hundred thousand dollars of Verne'smoney on the home. We learned that
the cost just for the landscaping inthe backyard was thirty five thousand dollars a

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year. She spoke about how shecared for vern when he got sick and
put him in the car with apillow under his head and a blanket because
he wanted to go to the VAin Washington. Rema then drove us throughout
Washington, DC. She said thatVerne wanted a new car, so she
traded in his Cadillac for the mostcurrent model. As he was stuck in

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the nursing home, it didn't makeany sense that he even cared about a
new car at that point. Shedrove way too fast and came within inches
of hurt in other cars. Ican't imagine poor Vernon having to endure her
insane driving. After the white knuckledriving tour, Rema dropped us off at
our motel. Before exiting the car, Rema explained the current money situation vern

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Ene me, we have lots ofmoney. Just tell me how much you
want to go away and they'll writeyou a check or give you a stock.
My mom and I were infuriated bythis offer. I informed Rema that
we have never asked our uncle formoney and never will. We exited the
car, slamming the doors. Remathen tried again to offer Vern's money to

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my mom. How about you justtell me how much you want. There
is greed in everybody. My momlooked her in the eyes and explained,
well, there's not greed in me. Rema began to drive off, then
slowed down to look at us indisbelief. After realizing we weren't changing our
minds about taking any money, shesped away. We told Reema that we

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were heading home the following day,but instead decided to return to the nursing
home the next morning to fully evaluatewhat was going on with Verne. We
entered Erne's room and found him sleeping. As soon as I said his name,
his eyes opened wide and he smiled. The orderly entered and I asked
if Ern could be brought into thevisiting area. The orderly opened nearby drawers

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so Verne could get dressed, butwe discovered he had no clothes. The
Orderly said that Verne could borrow somefrom his roommate, like he has in
the past. Vern also didn't haveany glasses to see with or teeth to
eat with. We were furious aboutVerne's lack of care and wondered how cruel
can Reema be to this man whoalways helped her. After Vern was brought

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into the visitors area, we startedto speak with his doctor. We informed
the doctor that we were relatives fromout of state and that our uncle was
ill and being taken advantage of.The doctor interviewed Vern, who was confused
by his questions because of his progressingAlzheimer's disease. We told the doctor that
Verne needed a guardian to start lookingout for his best interests. I asked

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the doctor to write up a documentabout Vern's needs in order to show something
to an attorney or judge. Thedoctor agreed and wrote a message about Vern's
condition. We thanked the doctor andreturned to our attention to Vern. We
took Vern in his wheel chair overto the window and pointed out some puppies
playing near by. He smiled andacknowledged the puppies. We eventually leave and

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Vern was placed next to another gentlemanhe befriended at the nursing home. The
following day, we traveled to Shimokunto attempt to become the legal guardians for
Vern. Rema was contacted and informedof our plans. A month later,
Vern was suddenly violently ill and vomitingat the nursing home. The doctor explained
to us that Vern had some sortof fluid in him that was making him

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sick, but no one could figureout the cause. Vern was placed on
a ventilator and ten days later hesadly passed away. I think it may
have been arsenic poisoning, but Ihave no proof. Vern always wanted to
leave most of his estate to charitiesand the poor, but we discovered that
Vern's new will that he supposedly signednow gave all of his money and property

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to Rima. We didn't buy thisfor a second and decided to contest the
will. The doctors at the ViaHospital wanted to have an autopsy performed on
Vern, but Rima had control overhis body via the will and adamantly refused.
Our attempt to contest the will wasa long process that took nine months.

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We won in the lower court,but then had to fight Rima's appeal.
Our attorney hired a detective to investigateRima, so that's when we discovered
her extensive, sordid history that Idetailed earlier. During the time we were
battling Rema in court, she spentall of Evern's money on land in Virginia.
She bought a farm for eight hundredand sixty five thousand dollars, of

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building for a million dollars, whichshe named the Rema Building, and twenty
houses throughout the state. We finallywon our contest of the will, but
at that point Rema had spent anymoney Verne had left. Eventually, though
all of Rema's properties were foreclosed,she had a problem making payments so long
Rema Building. Rema said in thepast that she wanted to have money and

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be somebody. Well. She gother money, but the only somebody she
became was an opportunist who stole akind old man's fortune and built the generous
people in a small town. AnyoneRima met was always left worse off after
she took anything and everything she couldfrom them. She took advantage of anyone
kind or generous, and people likeher are the reason there's a cynical saying,

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no good deed goes unpunished. Eventhough Verne has passed away, my
family and I won't stop fighting forhis memory. Vern never wanted to allow
freeloaders into his life, but ashe aged and mentally declined, his defenses
were unfortunately down. I hope hisstory serves as a cautionary tale to people
in the future who may have asimilar situation with a loved one. There's

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sadly Arima in every town, andthe good people out there need to watch
out for the bad people like her. Allegedly is a production of Voyage Media.

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The series is produced by Nat Mandel, Albertmidas, and Dan Benimore.
This episode, When the Time ComesI'll Know, was written, produced,
and directed by Jason Cheney, basedon the books When the Time Comes,
I'll Know and The Trail of Greedleads to black Letter Law by Sally Burns,
currently available on Amazon. A linkis in the show notes, starring

(32:14):
Jerome Saint Jerome as Verne, andAli Chan Asrima. Original music by Derlis
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