Judgment Day, Reverence, & Spiritual Awakening

Dave and Jeff Leake discuss the importance of addressing sin, God's holiness, and the need for a spiritual awakening. 

They highlight a viral clip by preacher Philip Anthony Mitchell, who emphasizes the urgency of repentance and the reality of judgment, and reflect on the impact of such bold, authentic preaching and its potential to spark revival. 

Tune in as they draw parallels to historical revivals and the hope for a new spiritual awakening in our world today.

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Episode Transcript

Dave Leake (00:00):
Today, we're going to be talking a lot about sin

(00:02):
and God's holiness and ourreverence for God. We're talking
about judgment day. And in a lotof ways, those are scary,
intimidating topics, but onesthat we absolutely have to
address. There's a clip from apreacher starts out with two
little fingers in the air, buthe's talking about how we're all
going to stand before Godsomeday, and so we're grappling
with this, what does it meanthat God is holy and ultimately,

(00:23):
what would it take for us toexperience the next spiritual
Great Awakening in ourgeneration? If you want to find
out more, tune in Hey everybody.
Welcome to the Allison Parkleadership podcast, where we
have culture creatingconversations. I'm one of your
hosts. My name is Dave, and

Jeff Leake (00:37):
my name is Jeff, and we're glad you've joined us
today. And again, we're both onstaff at Allison Park church.
We're father and son, and welove to have conversations about
what's going on in our world. Wedeal with theology, we deal with
culture, we will deal with abunch of stuff. But before we
get started today, Dave, we wantto give you congratulations.
Come on, baby, your new dad.
Tell us all about it. Who wasborn into the world?

Dave Leake (01:00):
Yeah, our second son, John, Jeffrey leak was
born. Jeffrey

Jeff Leake (01:03):
Lee, come on, I got a namesake violet. Yeah. I

Dave Leake (01:06):
was born on, on Friday, yeah, like five, almost

5 (01:10):
30pm so he's home now, probably sleeping,

Jeff Leake (01:13):
yes, so Dave,

Dave Leake (01:14):
I'm not sleeping,

Jeff Leake (01:16):
but he is. You look like you're ready too, though
you have that new dad look onyour face, man, your eyes are,
yeah, like, almost, almost shut.

Dave Leake (01:24):
Well, James is also waking up the crack of dawn. So,
yeah, so

Jeff Leake (01:28):
how old is James?
He's

Dave Leake (01:29):
the older brother.
James is too. John is, you know,few days, and John doesn't sleep
a lot at night, and James wakesup at the earliest time
possible. That's the harderthing of having two kids for me
so far. I mean, there's otherthings that are challenging, but
there's, like, a alarm clock Ican't get past, like we could
sleep in before. I mean, when itwas just James, but anyway,

(01:49):
yeah, so

Jeff Leake (01:52):
cool.
Congratulations. For me, it'sgrandbaby number nine, and I
think that's like five, fiveboys and four girls and so,
yeah, we're very excited to it'san awesome day. And do we have
some people to shout out now? Wewant to do that from absolutely
yeah.

Dave Leake (02:10):
So to start, we wanted to say thank you to
everybody who's listening, or ifyou're watching on YouTube or
Spotify, or wherever you'rewatching from. Thank you for
joining in. We want tospecifically give a shout out to
Kit Kat 97 you know, thank youfor your kind five star review.
And if you'd like a shout out,specifically, Apple podcast
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(02:32):
leave us a review, we would lovethat you can also, you know,
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listening to on, you know, like,like and subscribe on YouTube.
Man, my words are not going tobe totally crisp today. I can
feel my brain like trying to getlike, Wait, tongue needs to
work, okay, but thank you. Thankyou so much. Let's, let's jump

(02:52):
into our topic today you showedme so

Jeff Leake (02:54):
Kit Kat 97 actually left us a comment too on here.
Sure. Go ahead. So she said Ilearned so much by listening to
the episode on abortion and theAmerican Dream makes me rethink
my ideas on pursuing theAmerican dream at all costs.
Very thought provoking. Thankyou, pastors. So we have just
come through this season in ourculture of a lot of intense
discussions. I mean, theelection just happened a couple

(03:16):
about a week ago right now. Sowe have President Trump, 47 now.
He was 45 and he's now 47thpresident of the United States.
In August, we talked aboutAmerican things like Marxism,
and we talked about Christiannationalism, these sort of two
sides of the political extremes,I guess you would say, and in

(03:37):
our world. And then we had thisepisode on abortion the American
dream. And I guess the episodewe're talking about today is in
some ways in this package ofconversations that we're having,
because we're talking about how,I think we all realize that our
nation, and probably we want tobroaden it to nations in Western

(03:58):
society, we're in need of a moveof God, like we need a revival
or spiritual awakening, whateverterminology that you want to
use. Many of us, I think, areexpectant that we could be in
the last days. You know, we'rein the last era of human
history. Maybe Jesus isreturning soon. So there's a lot

(04:19):
of thought around politicaltensions and and and the
struggle that our country is inright now. But I think we want
to go past that today, and we'regoing to talk about this whole
concept of of, you know, what'sinvolved in a move of God. I
think this is a solution,solution oriented, kind of
conversation that we want tohave today. So I know I jumped

(04:40):
in there. Sorry. Keep going withwhat? Oh,

Dave Leake (04:42):
yeah. Okay. So, so that what sparked this
conversation between us, yeah,was you stumbled across an
Instagram clip of a of apreacher that's just kind of
spitting fire. And you're like,check this guy out. I was like,
wow. Like, it hits sort of in adifferent way. So. So,

Jeff Leake (05:00):
yeah, so, so I'm on social media, you're not. And I
was just doing, I was just doingsome scrolling, you know how you
do, and I was going through aparticular thread. And I get a
lot of preachers in my feedbecause, of course, that's
primarily who I follow and what,what my field is. And, you know,
you heal a lot. So I post clipslike this, right of me preaching

(05:22):
actually matter. Producer helpsproduce these two little one
minute clips of of a little bestpart of the message on a
weekend, and you hear it and andyou might say, Oh, that's good.
I'm going to share that. Or youmight say, Oh, that really
helped me today. So there's alot of little mini clips that
happen on social media, but thisparticular clip left me feeling

(05:42):
conviction, like I don't knowhow to describe it. It was just
a brief, quick clip that I saw,and it started, I think what
caught my attention is it startsin almost an offensive way, and
I was like, What did he say? Andthen I tuned in and I listened
to it, then I replayed it, and Ireplayed it again. And every

(06:03):
time I replayed it, there wassomething in his voice,
something in his tone, somethingin the conviction of what he was
saying that brought me to aplace where I was wanted to weep
like I felt. I felt the presenceof God. I felt the the awareness
of God's holiness. And you say,Boy, that's must be some clip
for just like a minute, but itreally does have this effect. So

(06:23):
tell us, maybe we shouldprobably, so sure, yeah, well,
first I think we shouldintroduce so this, this pastor's
name is Philip Anthony Mitchell.
We, we don't know Philip, um,he's got an enormous following
in social media, over 350,000followers, and he pastors a
church in Atlanta, right? Sowhat's the name of his church?
Anyone? It's

Dave Leake (06:42):
a 19 church. Okay.

Jeff Leake (06:44):
Why is it called 2819 Matthew, 2819 the Great
Commission. Okay, so it lookslike it's a large church, but I
think he's also an evangelistthat does some traveling anyway.
Philip Anthony Mitchell, ifyou're someone forwards this to
you, there's some pastors inPittsburgh that would love to
get a chance to meet you,because we can tell that God's
hands on your life. And soanyway, we're gonna listen to

(07:07):
this clip. Okay. Again. Itstarts pretty intense. He makes
some gestures here. Put it on. Idon't want anyone to be
triggered by

Unknown (07:18):
what they see, but screw Jesus and F Christ and all
this stuff. You're not going tobe that tough when you die. Give
me that camera all thatblasphemy. You spitting. You're
not going to be that tough whenyou die. That's why the Bible
says, In the day you hear thecall of the gospel hardened not

(07:42):
your heart. For the writer ofHebrews said it's appointed for
man to live one time and then hemust stand judgment. Ain't
nobody bringing you to theconference to hear this message,

(08:10):
because it don't itch the flesh,but it stirs up something in the
soul and makes a wretched mansays, I need God,

Dave Leake (08:34):
yeah,

Jeff Leake (08:37):
had that same effect on me every time I see it wakes
you up. Yeah, it's crazy. I lovethat. So there's something in
this voice that is not justpreaching truth. There's a
tenderness to it, there's anurgency to it, there's a call
about it. There's a compassionand in what he's saying. And
then there's a sort of a visionabout the future, one day we're

(08:59):
all going to stand before God,and what are you going to do?
Then well, you know, you havethis sort of bold, cavalier
attitude right now about thingsof God, one day you're going to
stand before him, and what areyou going to do when you have to
face God? Yeah, and you know,are you ready for that moment?
And there's a, there's just a,there's like, I don't know,
heavy, heavy conviction upon hiswords. And when I when I heard

(09:23):
his him talk, I was like, man. Isaid, first, this would be
great, great thing to talk abouton a podcast. But secondly, I
think that there's somethinghe's hitting on here that seems
to be present in any greatrevival or spiritual awakening
that has happened in the past.
And I think there's somethingthat he's hitting on here that
is also necessary for thespiritual awakening that we need

(09:43):
to happen within our culturetoday. And you said, Dave, that
there's something in the waythat he says it that is very
attractive to the nextgeneration, right? Well,

Dave Leake (09:55):
yeah, I guess, but it's probably just what you're
talking about. I don't knowthat's the way that he says it.
It's probably the it's the it'sthe unvarnished, full bore, not
worried about what people think.
Just this is what the Biblesays, And this is truth, and
it's not judgmental, and it'snot I mean, he's not being like,

(10:17):
he's not putting down certainpeople. He's just like, we're
we're missing it, if we thinkthis isn't real, and he's coming
at it, you know, full I don'tknow. I think, I think what?
What from what I understand? I'mnot Gen Z. I'm a millennial. But
the next wave of young people, Ithink what they're looking for
is not, you know, makeeverything easy, you know, ease

(10:42):
me into all the Bible stuff.
Skirt around the uncomfortablestuff. Don't trigger me. Let me
come in. Have 60 minutes of agood time, and then get back to
my schedule. I think what, whatGen Z is looking for, and
probably a lot of millennialstoo. But I think the younger you
go, they're looking for, like,the hardcore, like, what? Just,

(11:05):
just give it to me.

Jeff Leake (11:06):
So, why? Why do you think that's the case? Oh,
there's so. Because we, becauseit feels like, in many ways,
that their generation has beentreated more softly than most.
Yeah, right. It's the, I guessyour generation became more the
participant, participationtrophy generation, right? It's
like everybody's a winner.
There's never any hard truths,ever said. Everything is
convenient. Everything'sdelivered to your fingertips

(11:29):
through whatever device youhave. It feels like Gen Z would
have that even more, right?
Because they have grown up inthis, you know, Safe Space
culture, where you know you'rewe're very careful about not
saying anything that'striggering or offensive. And so
you're saying is, actuallythere's a longing and a hunger

(11:50):
for our unvarnished Tell me thetruth, yeah. How are both of
those things true at the sametime? Well, I

Dave Leake (11:56):
don't think, Okay, this is, this is sort of me like
speculating. I don't think mostGen Z ers are actually, I need
to save space and don't want tobe triggered. Okay, I think most
Gen Z people live, live in thatreality where they know people
that are like that, and, youknow, I'm not, I'm not knocking
anybody who's dealing with anykind of trauma or whatever that,

(12:17):
you know, that has some thingsto work through. But I think
that there is a, there's ahunger to not Doctor things up,
to not be to not have to toe theparty line, you know, to not
have to just say the rightthings and worry about using the
right language. And so I think,like sometimes, like churches
that are too, too sensitive toanything triggering. Can feel

(12:44):
inauthentic. There's, there's ahuge value in authenticity.
Okay,

Jeff Leake (12:47):
so you, you're saying that this is not so much
a longing for someone to sort ofhit you over the head with
truth, but more just to be rawand authentic and not, and not
filtered and programmed to whereit well, it's probably both been
reduced,

Dave Leake (13:02):
okay, probably both.
Well, so hit you over the headof truth, I guess, if you mean
in a judgmental way, probablynot, but to give you the full
double barrel truth, yeah,that's just like, here it is,
you know, and you need to know.
And especially he's, he's like,pleading and urging.

Jeff Leake (13:16):
Yeah, it was a pleading to it wasn't it, yeah,
it wasn't angry, although youcould have felt that way because
he was so intense. It wasn'treally angry, no, it was a
pleading. It was like, Don't yousee this, can't you don't you
understand this is coming foryou? Yes. Don't you realize
judgments on the way? Like, I'masking you right now to open
your eyes to see what's there.
Because what are you going to doif, if, if you end up there and
you haven't been, you know, ifyou haven't been saved, like,

(13:39):
wow, I if I was away from Jesus,His something about his his
conviction and the and hisspirit affected me. Yeah, even
in a Instagram clip, it's It'spowerful. It's kind of like, you
know, so Dave, I've been feelingthis for a little while. I think
I mentioned this on one of thepodcasts in recent times where I

(14:00):
said, you know, makes me thinksometimes, when you have someone
who's fallen and they've blowntheir family apart, or they've
blown their ministry apart, orwhatever, they've chosen a path
of selfishness, what happens forthat person when they stand
before God, even as a Christian,like, what's, what's the
judgment moment like For us,right? I've been thinking a lot

(14:20):
about that judgment moment, likeone day, it's not just that
we're going to be stand standingbefore God and being evaluated.
I think when we think judgment,we think that one day you're
going to stand before God andyou're going to be evaluated,
and God's going to make adecision about you. But I think
there's also something about oneday you're going to stand before
a holy God, like there is apiercing holy glory that's heavy

(14:41):
and weighty and and makes youcircumspect and aware of your
flaws. And one day, you're goingto stand totally exposed and
vulnerable before the Holy Godof the universe. And it kind of
reminds me of i. Isaiah chaptersix, where Isaiah ends up in the
presence of God. And it says, inthe year that King Uzziah died,

(15:05):
I saw the Lord high and exalted,seated on his throne and the
train of his robe filled thetemple. And then it says, there
were these angels flying around,Seraphim, who had all these
different wings. And they weresaying to one another, holy,
holy. Holy. Is the LordAlmighty. The whole earth is
full of his glory. And then itsays, At the sound of their
voices, the door posts of thethresholds shook, and the temple

(15:26):
was filled with smoke. AndIsaiah says, Woe to me, for I'm
ruined. I'm a man of uncleanlips, and I live among a people
of unclean lips, and I have seenthe King, the Lord Almighty. Now
there's something about thisparticular experience. Isaiah
has that I sort of feel a littlepiece of when I'm listening to
Philip Anthony speak, and it'slike, it's almost like the the

(15:48):
veil has been pulled back for aminute and and the, it's not
terror, but the awareness of,you know, one there is this Holy
God who created everything, isall powerful. Who is? Who is to
be, to be respected, thegreatest, most powerful being in
all of the universe, who isabsolutely 100% pure in every

(16:10):
way. One day I'm going to standbefore him, and I'm going to
have to face him, not just givean account for what I did. I'm
gonna have to face God. And Ithink that's what he was saying.
Like, right now you're being allCavalier and you're and you're
using his name and blaspheminghim all Catholic, but one day
you're going to have to facethis holy God. What are you
going to do then? Like, he gethe sort of brought me in behind

(16:32):
the veil to say this is coming.
We should all be prepared forthis. We should be aware that
one day we are going to face aholy God. And if you're messing
around with your life, you'reforgetting the fact that we're
all going to stand before a holyGod one of these days. And that
that grips me, like I felt movedby that. And I think that if

(16:53):
spiritual awakening is going tocome to our culture, it's going
to have to come by that veilbeing removed a little bit in
us, being able to sense whowe're really talking about when
we talk about the Almighty,yeah.

Dave Leake (17:06):
So, so, okay, let's, let's, I think we're talking
about something that we haven'texactly put our finger on, which
is, you keep talking about arevival, right? Yeah. But like,
we're, you're, you keep, I thinkyou said awakening a few times
too. There were like threedifferent periods of world
history in the last fewcenturies called Great
Awakenings. Yeah, which is,which was some of the greatest

(17:28):
revivals the world's ever seen.
I think the first one was in the1720s something like that. And
then there was 117 90s. Thesecond one, both were in
England. And then in the 1850s Ibelieve there was, well, there
was

Jeff Leake (17:39):
more like 18, 1810s and 20s. Then there was another
one in the 1850s then there wasAzusa Street Revival in early
1900s okay, I'm not sure thatthey're all called Great
Awakenings. Probably the firstcouple in our western culture
were called Great, GreatAwakenings. But there's these
seasons where people are comingback to God. The Reformation was

(18:00):
one of those seasons in the1500s too, right, right? So I
think probably in the timeperiod I was alive, the Jesus
revolution season in the 1970swas an awakening of sorts. So,
so there's, there's times in ourculture where there does seem to
be a massive move of God, wherepeople become aware of their
sinfulness, repent, and they getright with God in Christ, and it

(18:23):
totally transforms not onlytheir life, but it transforms
the culture at large. Yeah. Andwhat I'm saying is, I think we
all realize we desperately needanother spiritual awakening in
our culture, yeah. So,

Dave Leake (18:37):
so the question we're talking about is, what
would it What? What does it taketo get there? And there's,
there's some element of what wesee in that video. Yes, it's,
it's the ethos of what, yeah. So

Jeff Leake (18:49):
in the first Great Awakening, there was a similar
message that was preached by apreacher by the name of Jonathan
Edwards, yeah, and he preached amessage called sinners in the
hands of an angry God. Now thatsounds even more intense than
the one we heard from PhilipAnthony McClellan. Is that his
name? McMillan? Anyway, I get,want to get the guy's names

(19:12):
right, so you can look him up.
Mitchell. Philip AnthonyMitchell, okay, what is his
name? Again? Okay, in the in themessage, Jonathan Edwards
preached in the 1720s, and 30sabout the sinners and hands he
basically pictured. He said, youknow you're God, it's like he
has his hand on you and you're aspider that he's attached to the

(19:32):
web, and he's taken you, andHe's held you over the abyss of
hell, and he's got you suspendedthere, and he is wanting to
rescue you, but he could dropyou in at any moment. What are
you going to do with yourself?
Because you're you're a sinner,and you need to turn from God.
You fooled yourself. You thinkyou're right with God, but
you're not. You need to turnfrom your evil ways and run into

(19:55):
his arms so that he doesn't dropyou in and that that message,
which from. What I understand inthe 1720s it wasn't preached
with this kind of skill, likePhilip Anthony Mitchell is just
bringing it like, right? What acommunicator, right? So it isn't
just that he's a great preacher,no, it's what, it's what's on
him and what he's saying in it.
So, so you know, JonathanEdwards was reading this message

(20:17):
in a Presbyterian Church in the1719, 1700s right? And as even
as he gets to that part of thepassage, people get up out of
their seats, and they run to thefront, and they throw their
themselves on the ground. Youread

Dave Leake (20:30):
the testimonies from that from that term, they
shriek. People felt like theywere being dragged into Hell,

Jeff Leake (20:35):
yeah, like then people were up and being deep
who were demonized were beingcast out, even as they heard
them the words from his mouth,right? It was like, Wow. It's so
a real, genuine move of God thathappened. Now, if you go back
and try to read that message,it's very thick. It's written in
1700s style. But what, whatPhilip Anthony Mitchell is

(20:58):
saying has a similar prick in myspirit. It's like, Man, I mean,
there's something about that.
Well, I

Dave Leake (21:05):
think it's, it's not just the it's, it's, it's bold,
it's aggressive. There's a anurging and a pleading, like you
can tell he's longing forrestoration. Oh, man, my brain's
foggy. Oh, you know what? I justforgot to say, I'll jump in
since you're tired. Yeah, yeah,it'll come back to me in a

(21:26):
second. Well, there was anotherrevival. Oh, I know it was gonna
say, Okay, go ahead. Oh, sorry,lost it for a second. And I
think that's where we're gonnago. The other part of it, I
think, is really intense, and ispart of the mix, is his
reverence, and he talks aboutthe holiness of God, like you
were talking about the curtainbeing pulled back, but he's
like, he's it's not justbiblical truth. It's not moral

(21:47):
truth. It's not just abehavioral adjustment. He's
like, there is a reality thatthere's a holy God that you're
gonna stand before. Like, he'slike, he you ain't gonna be that
tough when you die. That line,it's like, well, so it's like,
it makes you, you think aboutdeath, and then you're like, Oh,
what, what am I going to be likeafter death? And then his, his
description are just the the, Idon't know him talking about

(22:10):
that judgment day moment beforeGod. It is compelling and
convicting. And I think there isa big, there's also a big
movement back towards thereverence of God in a lot of
churches. I think there's alonging for that to because,
like, irreverence is so common,you know, like talking about
Jesus, especially Jesus in ourculture, it's not just atheist,

(22:33):
it's like, regardless to whatworldview you're in, if you're
not Christian, everybody's

Jeff Leake (22:37):
co opting him. Yeah, he agrees with everything, I

Dave Leake (22:40):
think, or you'd totally destroy him, yeah, you
know, right, right? It's like,it's like a symbol of, you know,
the patriarchy and old ways andtraditions, and it's holding
back. Everybody

Jeff Leake (22:54):
wants to make Jesus out to be what they think he is,
rather than getting tounderstand who he really is.
He's a real person, right? Hereally

Dave Leake (23:01):
has become the enemy of humanists, of humanism, which
is that the idea that all peopleare or they have, tried to make
him into a humanist, one or theother. Yeah, Jesus is that, or
he is, but he is, he is an enemyof humanism. Yeah, absolutely,
he is. I think humanism istotally flies in the face
everything of the gospel. And Ithink that's what Philip
Mitchell is doing there. He'slike, wake

Jeff Leake (23:24):
up, yeah? Like, this is a big deal. He's not trying
to attack an ideology, though.
No, he's just, he's justappealing to the sinner, yeah,
consider your ways. Get rightwith God. But he's attacking
irreverence, yeah, irreverence,yeah. And I think, and I think
too, in our in our Westernculture, the way that popular
Christianity has been over thepast 30 years, Jesus is like
your best buddy, and he hangsout with you, and you can count

(23:46):
on him. And there's a certaintruth to that, and he and he
gets us all. There's thecommercial series that's all
like, wherever you are in yourjourney, he gets you, and he
does and and he loves you with alove that's beyond what you
could ever understand. And evenif you fail, he's there to
forgive you. It's true, it'strue, it's true. But there's
another side to the story, whichthat he also is a holy,
righteous God that does not messaround with anything that's sin,

(24:09):
and that when we stand beforehim, we're gonna have to give an
account at that point in timewhen we stand before God in
judgment, he won't be your bestfriend like he will be he is. No
one loves you more than he does,but at that moment, he also is a
righteous judge that we'll haveto give an account for our life
with and and he is so it's notjust about his mood. Sometimes,
I think we we confuse the moodof God with the person of God.

(24:31):
Here's what I mean. It's notlike God looks at him you is
angry and he's ticked and he'sdisappointed and he's it's not
his mood or his disposition, buthe is holy, yeah? So what is
what does that mean? So I heardone illustration. It's like if
you take a piece of tissue,tissue paper, and you put it
next to a flame, it will beinstantly consumed. So God's a

(24:52):
consuming fire, yeah? Like hecannot fellowship with sin. It's
not like he chooses not to. He.
It's impossible to so that'swhy, that's why we have to be
declared righteous to get evenclose to him. I heard one pastor
give this illustration. He saidthey just built this brand new
building. And, you know, he waswalking through the new

(25:14):
sanctuary, the new auditoriumthat had been built with the the
person that did theconstruction, with the person
who owned the constructioncompany. And the pastor was was
marveling. He was like, Man,this is so great. Look at all
the pain on the ceiling and allthe all the accouterments around
the the space. And they had abalcony to this space. And he
and there was one of those bigspotlights, you know, that they

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used for theatricalperformances, and the and the
lights were turned on. And thepastor said, let me turn this
spotlight over here on thiscorner so we can see the detail
of your work. And theconstruction president said, Oh
no, no, no, no one's work canstand up under that kind of
light, you'll see all the flaws.
Like if you see that the naturallight, you won't see the flaws.

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But if you turn intense light onthat you're going to see all the
cracks, and you're going to seethe, you know, the mistakes, and
it's not designed to be viewed.
If it was going to be viewed inthat kind of light, it would
have to be done with a lot moreprecision. And I think that's
sort of, in some ways, whatPhilip is saying here is, he's
saying one day when you standbefore God, your life is going

(26:20):
to be judged under intenselight, because the glory of God
is going to be there, and assoon as that starts to happen,
like Isaiah, so woe is me. Lookhow damaged I am. I didn't
realize how far away from God'srighteous standard that I am,
and how much I need His mercyand His grace. And so spiritual
awakening is that it's when youbecome aware of who God is and

(26:42):
his holiness, and you begin torealize how unholy you are, and
your heart begins to cry out forthe solution that you need to
have God transform your life sothat you can be able to stand
this presence without fear. AndI think that that's part of what
our culture is desperately inneed of. Yeah,

Dave Leake (26:59):
yeah. I think our church, I think churches are in
need of that too. Yeah, youknow, there's, I can't remember
for the life of me if we've hadthis discussion on this podcast.
So if we have, have we talkedabout, have we talked about,
like, sin recently, like, Iguess maybe in general, we have,
I was having a conversation.

Jeff Leake (27:19):
Have we talked about sin? That's a real general.

Dave Leake (27:21):
Have we talked about be like, you know, Jesus says,
like, Be perfect as I amperfect. Okay, so, so I think,
like, one of the, one of thepotential problems with the way
we discuss theology about sinand so sanctification is the
word that means becoming likeJesus over the course of our
life, being transformed into theimage of Christ. You know, when,

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when we, before we get saved,everybody is, is the phrase,
right? We're a dirty, rottensinner. You know, that's, that's
the common language for it.
We're far from God. We'reimperfect. We're not inherently
good with a little bit of bad.
We're inherently, you know,we're inherently broken. We're
inherently a mess. But whathappens is, when we give our

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life to Jesus where we are, weput to death the old self, or
raise up the new life. Goddoesn't see us from our past
anymore. We are made, you know,righteous because of Jesus
sacrifice, we attain a measureof holiness. And you know, the
Bible talks about perfecting ourholiness, that's the journey of
sanctification. But I think oneof the things that maybe is a
disservice in our churches, thatsometimes we say like, Oh, we're

(28:30):
all just sinners saved by grace,as in the present sense, like,
I'm a sinner saved by grace.
You're a sinner saved by grace.
If you're not saved by grace,yet we're the same. It's just
whether or not you've been savedby grace. But really, like, the
Bible doesn't talk about peoplethat have been saved as sinners
anymore. Like, are we then?
Well, where I mean, if you wantto use an older term, we're
supposed to be saints. Yeah,we're people that define

Jeff Leake (28:53):
that term. Because it's not because, when you say
saints, they think of it interms of sort of the superhero
people,

Dave Leake (29:00):
people that live as dead to sin, people that live by
the Spirit instead of by theflesh. So it's, it's, it's not
that we will never struggle ornever sin, but if, if there's
almost a defeatist mindset,yeah,

Jeff Leake (29:13):
it means saints, I think means the holy ones, or
the sanctified ones. Oh, I'm

Dave Leake (29:16):
sorry, the actual death. Yes, right, yeah. So

Jeff Leake (29:19):
when we say we're supposed to be saints. We're
supposed to have beentransferred from death to life,
from sin to righteousness, yeah,from impurity to purity, from
unholiness to holiness. Not thatwe're perfect in and of
ourselves, but we're being madeperfect because of the grace of
God and the working of the HolySpirit and our willful choice to

(29:40):
align with what God wants us todo. Yeah,

Dave Leake (29:43):
I'll find this in a second. But you know, Paul
writes, you know, if you, if youdo these things, Paul, if you do
these things, you'll neverstumble. Jesus says,

Jeff Leake (29:54):
what is that? I mean, I think that's Peter. That
might be First Peter or SecondPeter, where he has. Written

Dave Leake (30:00):
down. And I know it's verse 10 of something,
yeah, I gotta find this reallyquick, yeah.

Jeff Leake (30:05):
So, so, as you're looking that up, one of the
things I'll add to what I saidbefore Dave is this, Oh,

Dave Leake (30:11):
you're right. It's Second Peter, 110, yeah. Go
ahead, read it. Yeah. Okay. Letme get to a version I want to
read. Okay. So he says, theperson, yeah, a person who lasts
these things is blind, shortsighted as as,

Jeff Leake (30:23):
yeah? So read it from the beginning, because it,
it actually talks about, inthis, is it first Peter or
Second? Second Peter, one,second Peter. Chapter One, it
talks about a an intentionalprocess that we should be going
through in our life to becomewhat we're supposed to be, yeah?
Actually is like a layering. Itsays, Good. Read from the
beginning. Okay,

Dave Leake (30:41):
so start in verse three. It says, um, his divine
power has given us everythingrequired for life and godliness
through the knowledge of him whocalled us by His own glory and
goodness. Okay,

Jeff Leake (30:50):
stop there for a moment. So it says, God's divine
power has already given useverything we need to be godly.
Yeah, yep. So rather than ushaving a defeated mindset and
saying, I'm just a sinner savedby grace. We're saying I've been
given the divine power of Godand the person of the Holy
Spirit so that I can becomeeverything God wants me to be. I
don't. I'm not doomed to failureany longer. I can live up to

(31:12):
what God is calling me to be. Sokeep looking

Dave Leake (31:15):
by these. By these he has given us, wait, did I
Yeah, okay. By these, he hasgiven us very great and precious
promises, so that through themyou may, you may share in the
divine nature escaping thecorruption that is in the world
because of evil desire. So rightthere, it's talking about sin
nature. Yeah, you know, for thisvery reason, make every effort
to supplement your faith withgoodness. Good of this goodness

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with knowledge, knowledge,knowledge with self control,
self control with endurance.
Endurance, endurance withgodliness. Excuse me, godliness
with brotherly affection andbrotherly affection with love.
For if you possess thesequalities in increasing measure,
they will keep you from beinguseless or unfruitful in the
knowledge of our Lord JesusChrist. Then work this passage I
was reading now, the person wholacks these things is blind and
short sightedness for God andthe cleansing from his past

(31:59):
sins. Therefore, brothers andsisters make every effort to
confirm your calling andelection. Because if you do
these things, you will neverstumble. For in this way, entry
into the eternal kingdom of ourLord savior, Jesus Christ, will
be richly provided for you. Sobasically, that would

Jeff Leake (32:14):
be a great series.
By the way, add to your faithgoodness into your goodness.
What is the order says,

Dave Leake (32:20):
Yeah, goodness, goodness to knowledge, knowledge
with self control, self control,self control with endurance,
endurance. Godliness, godlinesswith brother, brotherly
affection and brotherlyaffection with love, yeah, yeah,
right.

Jeff Leake (32:32):
So all of these qualities, if you're
intentionally pursuing them,lead you to a place with because
you have the divine natureoperating in you, you'll be able
to have victory, yeah?

Dave Leake (32:42):
But like so the way that I think Christians in
churches, Christians andchurches tend to understand
passages like this, is it's likean ideal, if you think of
yourself as a sinner, saved bygrace, still it's like, well,
yeah, but I'm gonna stumble. I'mgonna constantly struggle with
sin. I'm not even sure if I go aday, let alone an hour, let

(33:05):
alone a minute without sinning,because I am a dirty, rotten
sinner. But it's like, no,that's actually not reflected in
the New Testament at all. Yeah?
Like it's an

Jeff Leake (33:13):
identity thing, yes, right, right? My identity is not
as a sinner anymore. I'm asaint, right? And I'm not
defeated. I'm more than aconqueror. I'm a child of God.
I'm an heir of the kingdom. I'mco heirs with Christ. I'm a
prince or a princess. I am therighteousness of Jesus. I mean,
these are, these are all thetruths about us and things we
should be living up to and into,rather than living down to our

(33:36):
old selves and our old failuresand our old our old patterns. I

Dave Leake (33:40):
say all this just because I'm saying I think if we
view ourselves with the wrongidentity, the expectation is
that we're always going tostruggle. So it's like, well,
why even try for perfection?
Because perfection isimpossible. Maybe to some
degree, that's true, but we canlive like restored people that
don't struggle with sin the waythat

Jeff Leake (34:02):
we have. But somehow hearing that list and hearing
those verses doesn't have thesame effect on me as when you
have a John the Baptist. You'reright. You're right. That says
to you, Hey, wake up. Yeah,

Dave Leake (34:15):
yeah. Hey, judgments

Jeff Leake (34:17):
coming. You're gonna stand before God, yeah. Are you
ready for this? Like there issomething about that particular
thing right there where theconviction of the Holy Spirit is
involved. And I actually thinkDave, this is a part of what is,
is maybe one of the missingpieces of this conversation that
we're having, and that is, it'snot enough just to know where
you need to be, yeah. It's noteven enough to know that God's

(34:37):
power can get you to where youneed to be. Yeah, you need the
conviction of the Holy Spirit,yes, to be motivated to want to
change. And without conviction,there is really little movement
towards a righteous life, yeah.
And many, many of ourenvironments lack conviction,
yes. So a lot of times you cango to church and there's no.

(34:58):
Conviction in the room. Well,because

Dave Leake (35:01):
we, I this is part of what I'm saying. I think we
just give so much allowance forsin because we expect people to,
because we're all sinners, yeah?
So a lot of churches havecreated environments where it's
like the main goal is to not bejudgmental, yeah?

Jeff Leake (35:16):
But, but I think there has to be So, okay, let me
we're diagnosing now this man ofGod's delivery a little bit. But
I think, I think Philip AnthonyMitchell, in what I he has shown
us in this clip, when I'm what Ifelt from his life was this,
he's digested this reality tothe place where it's no longer a
principle with him. Yeah, right,right. He's, he's, he sees

(35:39):
things through the spiritualspirits eyes. Yeah, right. And
he's looking at the people he'spreaching to, and he's like, you
are in bad shape. You're inworse shape than you realize.
Yeah. And this has hit me tosuch degree that not only can I
teach it to you, I'm so grippedwith your situation that I'm
pleading with you to get rightwith God, yeah, because he a lot
of preachers preach the thetruths without the conviction of

(36:03):
it in their own lives. But whenthe conviction falls on you and
you start to realize the peoplethat are ministering to are in a
dangerous place. Yeah, they're,they're they're they're they're
headed in a very bad way, andtheir life is spinning past
them, and one day they're goingto get I have to warn you, like,
that's what I think it is. Hewas worrying them. I am warning

(36:23):
you about something that'shappening in your life and
happening in our world, and yougot to get right with God. Like,
and he's not just saying this tonon Christians, he's saying it
to everybody. Yeah,

Dave Leake (36:33):
he might even been talking as much to Christians.
Yes, he was talking to me. Yeah,right. Like, let's, let's

Jeff Leake (36:38):
not just put it into other categories. Sure, I heard
him, and I was like, Oh man, Ineed to get I need to get in
prayer. Like I felt thiscompulsion inside that I needed
to deal with it. And there'ssomething really awesome about
the boldness that comes on onthat I think we should hear him
again. We gave there's anotherclip. This one is even more
intense. We thought we wouldbuild. I don't know if it's

(37:00):
possible to be more intenseequally. It's equally So Matt,
go ahead. Let's run clip numbertwo from Haven't

Unknown (37:07):
you not read where it says neither the sexually
immoral or the homosexual or theidolatrous or the one who
practices divination, neither,none of these people that do any
of these things will enter intothe kingdom of heaven. I'm
trying to stop you from going tohell. Come on, man, you don't

(37:28):
want to hear that. I know youdon't listen. I'm closing. I
know you don't want to hearthat. Dang it. My foot feels
like it's broken. Listen to me,man. All you want to hear is
blessings and you're awesome,and God is Finn and a dude, and
he's about to do and Finn and adude, that's all you want to
hear. And you like a bunch ofdope face cracked up on bad

(37:49):
doctrine. God hates sin. Andevery time you hear something
that convicts you, it's a goodthing, it lets you know your
heart is still sensitive to God.
And every time you readsomething that convicts you,
it's a good thing. It tells youyour heart is still sensitive to

(38:12):
God. And every time you feelconvicted, you know what the
Lord is trying to do. He'strying to woo you in just a
little bit closer.

Jeff Leake (38:21):
That's so good, sheesh. That's what I feel, what
he said at the end, when I feelconviction. I don't want to run
from God. I want to, I want to.
I want to run to him. I feel theurgency of the moment. I want to
run. I want to run to i i feellike, man, yes, yes, yes. I want
you. God. I need you. God. Iwant to weep. I want to throw
myself on the floor. I want tocry out to God for His presence

(38:43):
in my life. I want to cry out toGod for His for for a move of
the Holy Spirit in our nation,in our city and our community. I
want to pray for Allison Parkchurch to come to a place of
repentance, like somethinginside of me is gripped by this.
And maybe this is not justPhilip Mitchell's preaching.
Maybe God's doing something inme anyway, yeah, like, well, but

(39:03):
it's just triggering me. Likesomething is developing inside
of me. There's a longing insideof me for a season of awakening
that we get the real thing, andthe presence of God starts to
move. You know, there was, therewas an era in the 1990s of
revival. And the revival thatwent on in the 90s, there were
two sort of locations, one inCanada, one in the United

(39:25):
States, the Toronto Blessing andthe Pensacola Brownsville
revival. And there was a lot ofthings with that revival. It
was, it was, it was wild. Therewere a lot of external Holy
Spirit manifestations that wereunusual. There were, there were,
you know, there was controversyaround it because of that, but

(39:46):
people traveled from all overthe world to go to those two
places. Well, Brownsvillerevival was a little different
from Toronto's, in that therewas such an emphasis on
repentance. In fact, there was apastor, evangelist that was
there named. Hill, and hepreached just like this guy. At
the beginning, toward the end,he got a little mean, I'll just
say, but the beginning, hepreached just like Philip

(40:08):
Anthony Mitchell here, and SteveHill was just calling people to
repentance. And I remember beingskeptical and going down to
Brownsville, Dave and I wassitting with a friend of mine
from from Pittsburgh. He livedin Pensacola. He was away from
God, and my assistant pastor wasthere. And at the end of the
message, Steve started callingpeople to repentance. And this

(40:31):
guy that was away from God thatwe we just hung out for dinner
because we happened to be in histown. As soon as the message was
done, he ran down the we were inthe balcony, ran down the stairs
and ran the altar, cut rightwith God, and that that stuck
for the rest of his life. Solike that 30 years ago, like
he's still following Jesustoday. Like it was so gripping
that it wasn't just a spiritualexperience that I had one day,

(40:54):
like something really changed inhis life. Yeah, and the song
that they would sing at the endof every altar call was come
running, come running to themercy seat, and they would start
to sing that song, and peoplewould get up out of the seats
and run to the front and getsaved. It was powerful. And I
think revival, or spiritualawakening is always marked by
that. It's marked by thisawareness of God's holiness and

(41:15):
and His presence and His love,but without compromise. Yeah,
and, well, the he, what

Dave Leake (41:24):
he was saying in that clip that I was trying to
reference earlier, when I wastalking about Gen Z. This is,
this is, like the essence of it.
He says, like, everybody justwants to hear, God's about to do
God's

Jeff Leake (41:33):
getting ready to do this. So

Unknown (41:35):
what did he say? God's

Jeff Leake (41:37):
fitness. So basically, that's what you talk
about a lot on this podcast,which is, yeah, almost like a
fatigue with God's God's gotdestiny for you, and he's got
blessing on your life, andthere's a future for you, which
is all true stuff, sure, butmaybe we've oversold that aspect
of it and not talked enough.
Because it

Dave Leake (41:56):
feels like the focus is on a good life. It feels like
the focus is like, not on God oror who he is, or our reverence
for him, or His Holiness, orliving well, or judgment, which
I understand, you can getreligious from that perspective,
but it doesn't. It's not areligious message. But like when
it, when it gets to be justlike, you know, just a
breakthroughs right at the otherside of this mountain, there's

Jeff Leake (42:17):
a cloud right, just speaking in faith, and it's
gonna happen. It's exhausting.

Dave Leake (42:21):
No, it really is, because it just feels like,
okay, okay, there's a lot morethere than just that, that
that's that's needed. Yes, Ineeded you. It's

Jeff Leake (42:32):
not that it's untrue. It's just that it may be
imbalanced if there's not theother side of it,

Dave Leake (42:37):
and breakthrough might not be on the other side
for everybody, if you're, youknow, living far from God, like,
true, like, maybe you're notexperiencing breakthrough for a
reason, yeah, you know. And justlike those messages, they feel
like they're not, it

Jeff Leake (42:50):
almost feels like that. What do you call that?
Sort of you manifest things?
What is that like? Yeah, yeah,right. Almost like New Age, in
this new age where you're goingto manifest this, or you're
going to manifest that. And italmost is this distortion of the
gospel. Well, the Gospel comeswith all kinds of things that he
wants to bring into your lifethat are a part of your covenant
inheritance. But it's not thatyou can just manifest a better

(43:13):
life. This is, you

Dave Leake (43:16):
know, what it feels like? It feels like the opposite
of Matthew 633 to me, becausehe's saying, like, don't worry
about this or that, or clothesor food, you know, But seek
first his kingdom and righteous,righteousness, and all these
things will be added to as well.
It feels like so many sermonsare focused on the all these
things. I know you're waiting inall this, but God's doing it.
He's doing it right now. It'slike, that's not the point. You

(43:36):
see what I mean? That's how Isaw. The point is, don't

Jeff Leake (43:40):
worry about that.
Yeah, focus on the kingdom. The

Dave Leake (43:43):
kingdom and right?
Take care of the other stuff.
Yeah, the kingdom and hisrighteousness. What's almost
like your partner becomes themeans to the end. Yes, like,
what? What's your part like? Sowhen he's saying focus on the
kingdom, he's talking aboutexpanding the kingdom, yeah,
like, making Jesus known, like,like, as

Jeff Leake (43:58):
an average so consumed with that, that you
don't even think about the otherthing, because God

Dave Leake (44:03):
will bring it to you. But when it's just like,
God's bringing it, God'sbringing it, it's exhausting
because it doesn't it feels likedisingenuous to me. It's like,
well maybe like, Yeah, I knowhe's doing that, but isn't that
the result of focusing onkingdom and righteousness? And
if you're not doing that andyou're out, like, you know,
okay, I'm not trying to bejudgmental. But if you're, if
you're like, living totally farfrom God, if you're living you

(44:27):
know, you're just partying and,you know, and getting hammered
and doing whatever else youwant, and then you go to church
and you're just like, waitingfor breakthrough. It's like,
well, that that comes with therelationship with God, with the
intimacy with like, becominglike him, and I just, it just
feels like it feels fake to meand many people, when it's
always just, here's what God'sgetting ready to do. Because

(44:48):
it's like, well, there is, doyou know I'm saying? Yeah, no, I

Jeff Leake (44:51):
hear you. I hear you. So that pleading

Dave Leake (44:53):
message, I think, is it's so attractive and
refreshing, not just to you, butI think to a lot of us, because
it cuts through the noise. It's.
Yes, it's the opposite of what'sout there, you

Jeff Leake (45:03):
know, there was, there was, you know, okay, in
both of these clips that we justwatched, there were triggering
moments. He starts out byactually putting his middle
finger up and giving the actionstep of someone who's
blaspheming. God, okay, sothat's a little bit intense. He
was very, I guess you'd sayauthentic and real with that
particular expression. Then inthe second clip, he starts out

(45:25):
quoting from Second Corinthianschapter six, about the verse
that where it says these things,no one will inherit the kingdom
of God. And he names sins thatare if you say them out loud in
the way that he did, sexual

Dave Leake (45:38):
immorality, homosexuality, triggering to our
culmination witchcraft. But,yeah, right. But he says it

Jeff Leake (45:43):
in a way that I don't find offensive in any way,
shape or form. I think he saysit a way that is like I'm
thankful when he's done like youpainted the picture for me of
the reality and the truth of aholy God and His standards for
life. And he's saying to hesaid, What during that second
clip, I'm saying this because Idon't want you to go to hell.

(46:05):
Yeah, right, yeah. Like, I'm nottelling you this because I think
I'm better than you, or I'm areligious dude, saying this
because I don't want you to goto hell. And hell is the final
destination, if anyone's notright with God, yeah, and it's
time to get right with God, likethat. I don't know. So I, I'm
really encouraged by this. Yeah,I'm, I'm, I'm praying that God

(46:29):
will raise up a new, nextgeneration of spiritual
awakening, that that whateverhas happened in the past,
sometimes you wonder, in a way,has our culture gone too far?
Are we now truly post Christian,and will never experience the
kind of awakenings that havehappened over the generations in
the last three or 400 years asWestern culture now the lights

(46:51):
are turned out. You know, Jesussays, if you if you preach to a
village and they don't receiveyou, you shake the dust off your
feet and you walk away. Has Godlooked at our society, and said,
the lights are turning out now,because I mean Europe that they
have sort of preceded us. Youwould say a lot of Europe has
become very spiritually dark.
And so the wondering is, hashave we gone too far in our in
our nation, in our culture, toexperience an awakening like

(47:16):
what he's calling for, and andwhat I heard from him said,
maybe there's hope, maybe wecould see another one of these.
I have to believe

Dave Leake (47:28):
that. I mean, that's sort of a pessimistic viewpoint.

Jeff Leake (47:30):
Well, it is. But I think, I mean, don't you at
sometimes look at what the worldaround us, and the polarization,
the tension even within the bodyof Christ, and the
permissiveness towards sin and,well, I mean, I mean, you know,
even like we, we talked about acouple months ago Dale, the
infiltration of pornography onall levels of, yeah, right, of
society, and how it's infectingeven kids minds and and you

(47:54):
start to think, how do we whatdo we do? Like, but one moment
in the holy presence of Godwhere you say, you know, like
Isaiah said, Woe to me, becauseI'm a man who's undone, and I'm
in a people of unclean lips, andI have unclean lips too, like I
need God to touch my life sothat I can be purified.

(48:16):
Spiritual Awakening is when thathappens on a massive scale.
Yeah, so I'm not trying to bepessimistic, but don't you, at
times look at the culture andsay, Are we too far gone for
that?

Dave Leake (48:27):
I don't think any too cold, any culture is too far
gone because it

Jeff Leake (48:31):
feels it's just feels like it's more unlike,
okay, sure, more. It might be amore uphill

Dave Leake (48:36):
battle, because it's a, it's a, it's a anti church,
or anti Christian culture thatis starting to become the norm.
But it's like, well, anyculture, like, I mean, you know
he was in you is more powerfulthan he does in the world. Like,
like, there is a greater forcethan just the power. I mean, I
know you know this. I'm notsaying anything new, but I just

(48:57):
it's just like, well, of course,of course, we can still see a
revival, like it could happen inEurope. I think the church, the
church at large in America,needs to strengthen itself and
to ditch and dump the water downgospels that maybe are there,
like in some places. I'm nottrying to bring shame on
anybody, but, like, I think wehave to get back to it, yeah,

(49:18):
you know. And to pursue revivaland to pursue, like, a real
spiritual awakening where man,where we're bold enough to not
be afraid of the blowback fromsaying the wrong thing. And what
if people pick it up on a mediaclip, and they can take stuff
out of context, it's like, well,that's what the Bible says,
though, you know, if you take itout of context, it's like, okay,

(49:42):
you know? And yeah, but there is

Jeff Leake (49:43):
something about the vessel being properly prepared.
I can't speak to Philip AnthonyMitchell's life. I don't know
him. I want to get to know himif I if I had the chance. But
the vessel matters. You'reright, yeah. Okay. So being
having that pleading tone isdifferent from having an angry.
Tone agreed, having a holy callis different from having a

(50:05):
political messaging. Yeah,right, right. Okay, so this is
what's this is what's distinctto what I heard from him, is
that it seemed to have all hewas raw, he was real. He was
next generation. He was in hisown vernacular, but he had a
purity about his his spirit thatengaged me and said, I want this
for my life, for my family, forfor my church, for my nation.

(50:29):
And you know, this particularpodcast is probably coming out
at a time, as we're all startingto think about the beginning of
2025 where for me, I take sometime to fast and pray, and I try
to go into the year. I know youdo too. Dave, spiritually tuned
up. And maybe this needs to beon our prayer agenda, that when
we go into 2025 we're asking Godfor an awakening, awakening this

(50:52):
year, a Holy Spirit, outpouringthat is more than just signs and
wonders, although, I mean, howcan you say more than just signs
and wonders? Would be amazing,but we don't just want the
miracles. We want the we wantthe holy presence of God like we
don't want to just seesupernatural things happen. We
want to see conviction,conviction that would come in

(51:13):
regard to sin and righteousnessand judgment of people, yeah,
you know, turning from their oldways and coming to freedom and
and and preparing themselves forfor eternity, as well as for
this life. And so this My heartis just longing for that. That's
my heart's desire, is that wecould see that happen. And maybe
this year is the year, maybe,maybe Pittsburgh is the place.

(51:36):
Maybe Allison Park is the spotlike we would love to be, one of
those places where God could dowhat he wants to do that way.
And so I want to get my vesselready, and I want to be purified
so that I can carry that messageto a world that needs to hear
it. And so, I mean, that's theeffect that it's had on me. It's
good, yeah,

Dave Leake (51:55):
that's really good.
Yeah, yeah. I think, I think, Ithink we're all hungry for that.
I think a lot of people, whetherthey're Christians or not, are
hungry for that kind of message,you know, for that pleading,
urging truth that is found inthe Word of God. So I guess what
you're saying is it's not justthe words, it's or it's not,
yeah, it's not just the message,it's the tone, and it's the

(52:16):
vessel, and it's the so I Iguess, yeah, it's probably
something that we should beginto think through the lens of,
like, preparing for man,preparing for a next great
awakening, yes, like, not tosell it short, you know, just as
a little mini revival. Yeah, Idon't think our culture is too
far who cares about what theculture is, I guess is what I'm
saying. Like, of course, Godcould do that, you know? And

(52:36):
that's what I want you hearabout

Jeff Leake (52:39):
some, some revivals had happened in the past. So one
that happened in in Wales in theearly 1900s right around the
time of Azusa Street and in andthere were so many people that
were coming to Jesus that thatthe bars in certain towns were
completely emptied where therehad been alcoholism as a way of
a cope with life struggles now,all of a sudden, there was such

(53:04):
a move of God in Wales thatpeople were streaming into
churches rather than into thebars and and the whole nation
was shaken by the revival to hitthat particular part of the
world. Yeah, I know that thereare revivals happening right now
in different spots, likeTanzania has been in a revival
for 10 years. And so it's notthat it's not happening anywhere

(53:25):
on planet Earth. It's just thatI'm longing for it, for my own
people.

Dave Leake (53:28):
Absolutely anything you want to close with today,

Jeff Leake (53:35):
you know, I would just say, if you feel what I
feel, as you heard the littleclips, and as we've been talking
about this, and you feel theconviction of the Holy Spirit,
go with that like follow that.
So quiet yourself. Turn off thenoise in your life. Get alone
with God. Talk to him. Begin toconsume the scriptures. Begin to

(53:56):
call out to God, if you're ifyou're longing for a revival,
don't wait for somebody else tolead. You start fast and pray.
Schedule some things for yourlife in in January or before,
where you begin to take thishunger that's being created and
feed it with the things thatwill make it grow. And if you
are exposed to other people whoare preaching this message like

(54:20):
we just heard from PhilipAnthony Mitchell, please send
them my way. I would love to getexposed to different things that
are happening around thecountry. I know. I know, just
after the pandemic, there wasthat revival at the University
in Kentucky where they Asbury,Asbury, going after God. That
was very encouraging, too. Thosekinds of moments make you say,

(54:41):
okay, something's happening. SoI don't know, maybe we're on the
cusp of something. Let's hope.
Let's believe for it. Let's goafter it.

Dave Leake (54:50):
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