July 11, 2025 • 39 mins
What's a Mom & Pop small biz to do? Success isn't always found in profit margins & growth strategies. It's not necessarily transactions but transformation!
"We're in the life-change business," explains Stef Anderson, co-owner of Waioli Kitchen & Bake Shop--a 103-year-old historic restaurant & outreach in Mānoa, Hawai'i. Waioli isn't just serving exceptional scones & French press coffee, they're serving 2nd chances to ex-inmates, former addicts, & houseless individuals.
This heart-to-heart talk challenges you to true success & true Aloha! Come enjoy Waioli Kitchen & Bake Shop Tuesdays - Saturdays, 8AM-1PM & taste true ALOHA!
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Aloha and welcome to Aloha Live podcast.
I'm Auntie Dawn O'Brien, yourhost, and I'm here with one of
my dearest friends.
Her name is Steph Anderson, andshe and her husband Ross are
co-owners and operators of asmall business, and that's why
we're bringing to you today thesecret sauce of small business
success.
Welcome, lady Stephanie.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Oh, what an honor, Dawn.
I'm so excited to be here andso excited for what you're doing
in this season.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Thank you, amen, hallelujah.
And she actually helped mebirth this podcast, which is why
she gave me this gift.
It's one of those glass fishingballs, the floaters.
It meant a lot to my dad, whogrew up on the shore, a lot, and
she gave that to me.
So I have it here on my set asa shout out to you, even when
I'm not shouting out.
(01:00):
So thank you, mama, for helpingme.
Now we're talking about smallbusiness and I know that in this
time and in this season youknow, in any season small
business is a hard go.
Then you're talking put on topof that a restaurant which
waioli kitchen and bake shop,which you co-own and operate
with your husband, ross is arestaurant.
It's been in operation actuallyfor 102 years long, before you
(01:24):
guys even got there.
How do you make it work?
How do you make it?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
succeed.
Yeah, that's such a goodquestion.
You know it's actually comingup on 103 years this year, yeah,
and every year there's beendifferent people over the
generations that have taken therestaurant right.
It started when Salvation Armyhad the orphanage up there and
they used the restaurant totrain the girls to make pies and
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jams and jellies.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Life skills because they were getting pregnant
outside of wedlock, which iswhat it used to be called back
in the day, and that was kind ofa social stigma again back in
the day.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Yeah.
So go ahead and these younggirls learned life skills,
that's it and that's still whatthey're learning, but in a
different generation, right?
So they did have the home forunwed mothers.
First they had the orphanage,then the unwed mothers and now
in this generation, we felt likeaddiction is such a strong
thing.
Come on, people are suffering.
Incarceration is huge as well,and I had spent six years, uh,
(02:27):
in the women's prison, preachingand teaching and counseling and
we realized that in prisonthese women have a lot of
support.
They can get their ged, there'sa lot of support in the prison,
but when they get out of prison, they literally just open the
doors and out they go and it'slike a vacuum.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
To be real honest, it's just.
All of that support goes bye-bye, that's it and then they're
left on their own and they gousually back.
And I know the recidivism ratehere in the united states of
america, which is the mostincarcerated nation in the world
the most by far, number two isnot even close.
And then you look at the mostincarcerated people or ethnic
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group and I'm not trying toshame or slam anyone, that's
really not my business, that'sthe devil's business but the
most incarcerated ethnic group,a lot of people would guess
maybe African-American or maybeLatino-American, when in
actuality it'sPolynesian-American, it's
Tongans, samoans and Hawaiians.
And I'm a Tongan who looks atthat and says we have a real
(03:28):
problem when, by per capita orpeople group, we're most
represented in the prisons andwe're not helping our own people
.
So, thank you, and you'retalking about doing six years in
prison ministry here in thestate of Hawaii, that's right,
at WCCC, at the Women'sCorrectional Facility.
Thank you, sweet sister.
And by the way, if there's anyconfusion, my sweet friend has
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been here for over 30 years.
I know she looks 21, but it'sbeen over 30 years.
And Ross, your husband, haslived here even longer than that
.
You're a true part 40, 40 years40 years.
Yeah, unbelievable.
Well, that Jesus juice looksgood on him because that
fountain of youth, you guys gotit going on.
Now let's speak to that.
You were talking aboutaddiction and inmates, and they
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can.
A lot of these women coming outof women's correctional
facility.
You folks actually not onlyhire them, but you walk them
through the valley of the shadowof coming out of prison.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Wow, right.
I would say we're in the lifechange business, right, and it's
hard to change your life.
When we talk about business asa model and what that looks like
, we would say we're more of amission, right.
When you have a business, youare profit driven.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
And because we're on this side of our life, donnie,
we are we're on the shorter endof our life, so it wasn't about
starting a business for businesssake, right, business profit
drives.
But we knew in this, in thisside of our life, we needed to
be on mission right, and missionis purpose driven.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
It's not profit driven.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
That's good, so that's kind of where we are with
it.
This is a mission that we feellike God gave us.
Ross had been in the restaurantbusiness for over 30 years.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
And it wasn't no small potatoes there and I'm Don
small potatoes O'Brien, I getthe small potatoes, but he was
at Duke's Waikiki.
That was pretty huge.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Yeah, he, um.
He started in ts as a bus boyand he ended as the vice
president holy whoa yeah so he,he, he ran the whole gamut.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
That's wonderful but I love that you're saying it's
food on a mission, becausethat's even on your boxes of
scones.
By the way, we've got somebeautiful mountains of lumps of
love right here.
Thank you for bringing them.
I can't wait to finish filmingtoday so I can sink my fangs
into that.
And she brought some.
This is my order.
If I'm within a five mileradius of Waioli Kitchen and
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Bake Shop, they've already gotmy French press going.
So thank you for bringing thehot French press.
But you guys are food on amission.
It's on every box that goes outof scones.
You guys got to get thesescones and we were just talking.
I got to get one more plug in.
One of your resident chefs cameup with this ube, which is sweet
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potato, purple sweet potato,japanese style, local style, and
it has white chocolate chipsand drizzles of the divine.
That's all I'm gonna say.
They judge it and you put it inyour mouth and you go to heaven
, so in a good way.
So we also have some savoryscones.
We've got some.
I think it was mango, lily, koi, right.
And then at the shop see, Ican't even talk without
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salivating and then at the shopwe also have the ginger candied
ginger scones.
I recently took these to awomen's tea at my church and I
was stopped by one of thepillars and they said where did
you get these scones?
Why only kitchen and bake shop?
Thank you so much.
So, food on a mission and, asyou said, it's small business,
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not necessarily in this seasonfor profit, but in this season
it's for people.
You work with ex-inmates, youwork with ex-addicts, you even
work with houseless, which isanother huge issue here in our
islands.
Why do you do those things?
Speaker 2 (07:14):
You know, I think, dawn, it's a calling it's not
everybody's call to work,especially with the homeless,
especially with the addicted,especially with the incarcerated
.
I wouldn't suggest anybody justgo and do that.
It's what God has given us todo.
So everybody's traineddifferently, right, dawn, I was
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trained going into the hospitaland praying for the sick in
hospice, then going into theprison.
That's just the way that Godtrained me.
God had Ross in the restaurantbusiness all this time, and
isn't it funny at this season ofour life that he would marry
the two together and say here wego, this is what I have for you
in this season.
I don't, I have no explanationfor it, except that's what he's
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called us to do.
So that's what we do.
We want to see those who areinvisible, the ones who aren't
seen, the ones who.
That's what Jesus has called usto do.
Right, and as we follow him, hedirects our steps and he's
directed this restaurant.
And, yeah, the houseless is alla part of it.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
You know, I'm especially inspired by that
friend because as I look aroundat our nation and perhaps our
world, we have a lot more ofeach of those three categories.
We have a lot more people whoare becoming houseless.
We have a lot more addictshopefully ex-addicts, but I
don't know who's walking themthrough that.
We need more programs.
And then we have a lot morepeople who have become
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incarcerated and being releasedearly because there's not enough
space.
So for those of us listening orthose of us who are watching,
that's why I'm bringing this toforefront, not just as a small
business and we are talkingabout that, but there's also the
food on a mission or businesson a mission, and if we don't
make that mission our business,it's going to be knocking at our
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doors.
We're seeing a lot of thishappening in our communities
right, where we see thehouseless who are mentally
disturbed acting out at a7-Eleven, or we see someone in a
parking lot acting out, or youknow.
We see a lot of these issuesand so that's why, if we don't
make this mission our business,it will become your business.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
And so thank you for doing what you do Now.
You guys even went through 2020.
And I have to choose my wordscarefully so we're not struck
down by Lord algorithms.
How did you survive as a smallbusiness?
Because you're, if I may say, asmall bake shop and kitchen, a
restaurant.
You're only open for breakfast,lunch and the bakery right,
(09:43):
which is exceptional, but you'rein the back of Manoa right,
beautiful location, greatlocation, but you're a small
place in the back of Manoa.
How did you survive?
Speaker 2 (09:54):
That's such a good question, and every time I think
about it, there's only one waythat we survived on, and it was
God, 100%.
I'm not trying to dodge thequestion.
I'm telling you that we openedour first year and you were so
kind to say that we had a chef.
Honestly, dawn, we don't have achef.
We have a girl named Dita, whowas in and out of prison her
(10:16):
entire life.
Now she spent more than ninemonths outside of prison.
Yeah, and she is the one whodoes this, and Is that her
creation, the ube?
I think it was a team consulton that.
It wasn't a chef, though, itwas them.
It was them being creativesaying, hey, can we try this,
can we try that?
(10:36):
And this one step?
They tried a matcha failed.
You know what I mean.
But like, hey, that's whatwe're here for, let's try.
But our whole motto is try yeahand so she did that.
She's been with us for over fouryears now.
Did not go back to the prisonwow that she didn't.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
and I was saying the recidivism rate in the united
states of america is two out ofthree ex-prisoners go right back
in.
So how do we break that cycleof prison?
How do we break that cycle ofprison?
How do we break the cycle ofpoverty?
How do we break the cycle ofabandonment and come back into
abundance of God and I believethat's what you're speaking to
and in surviving 2020 and whathappened to the whole world and
(11:17):
you were forced to shut down fora few months, but you folks
were able to come back and youwere forced to shut down for a
few months, but you folks wereable to come back, yeah, by the
grace of God.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
And this is really what we learned in that season
that it's going to take thecommunity to heal the community.
When you hear our people'sstories, dawn, it's no wonder
they served time in prison, it'sno wonder they became addicted,
right?
So much of it is generationalcriminality, generational
addiction, right?
If that's all you know, that'syour reality, and so we have to
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change the reality, which I wishI had, like a just, oh, a
perfect formula for you.
But the only thing that hasworked for us is have them meet
Jesus, have them know that therewas a plan and a purpose for
their life and it wasn't to be acriminal and it wasn't to be a
no, I got it right because someof them have never even thought
(12:07):
about that.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
No, no right, it's not a conception like.
We have certain houselesscommunities on the west side of
Oahu.
There are five, six generationsdeep in houselessness.
They've never known anotheroption.
I was just speaking with fostercare families today, advocates,
and they said there was a child.
She was about 18 years old, shehad almost aged out, but it was
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back on the foster care blockand she finally found a mom and
dad and the highest complimentshe could have given this pastor
and his wife, who is also a,after she had lived with them
for a few months and before shewas about to turn 18, she said
you're my TV mom and dad.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
I've only ever seen a mom and dad like this on TV,
and so I knew that it had toexist, because somebody created
TV shows where all the moms anddads are they love each other,
they're joking, they're laughing.
I never had that in my life,but I knew when I watched TV.
It must be real and you're thereal deal, wow.
And so thank you for sayingthat, especially when you're
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working with ex-inmates,ex-addicts, and houseless is and
this is a saying I don't knowwhat I don't know right, that's
what my Dilima family teaches meyou don't know what you don't
know.
And I'm like, yeah, I know, Idon't know what I don't know,
but families who are five, sixgenerations deep into
houselessness, maybe a fosterchild, they don't know what they
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don't know until they come intocommunity and come into
connection, and that's what youprovide.
At the 100 year celebration ofthe Wai'oli Kitchen and Bake
Shop, I was there.
Thank you for having me as oneof your guests.
I was also invited by theSalvation Army right Charmaine
Cueva she also brought Hawa Nealshe's a dear friend said please
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come up for the celebration,and they reflected all the way
back to the first orphanage, asyou said, and then the moms who
were learning there on base.
But I saw one of the women whois an ex-inmate, got up to share
a testimony in front of thenews crews and she looked right
at you and then at Ross, yourhusband, and said it was thanks
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to having a father figure withthe patience to put up with my
stuff, my issues, and keeploving me no matter what.
And she did break down and shedsome tears a number of times,
but they look to the two of youas that, mom and dad, when I
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read some of your and I'm goingto bring this back to you and
ask you some questions.
But I looked at your website.
It's as beautiful as theWai'oli location up there in
Manoa and it says that you folkscombine our livelihood with our
passion.
It also says, and I quote onlythrough the success of our
people will we thrive.
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Engage everyone.
We meet with a heart of servicethat transcends the needs of
ourselves.
Wow, now you wrote those valueson your website.
But I also just told you I sawit for myself, not through
third-hand gossip, but throughgospel, the good news and
testimony of some of your womentestifying.
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How do you guys walk that outevery day?
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Yeah, it's messy Dawn .
I wish like again.
We're always looking for aformula.
How can we help them not goback?
How can we keep them fromwanting to go get high under the
bridge?
This is something that everyday faces them.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
It's a constant nag and pull to pull them back and
let's be fair, you have had someformer workers who were in and
out.
You would give them a secondchance and a third and I know
them personally.
They were my friends.
I didn't even know you as aclose friend at that season, so
I love that you're honest insaying it's messy, yeah, but we
walk it out.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
We walk it out and you know what You're fired today
, but come back tomorrow andwe'll see how you're doing Right
, and hopefully you'll want tocome back again, wow.
They don't always.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
We've lost a number of them.
I met Father Boyle from HomeboyIndustries.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Oh, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
And I said how do you do it, like, how do you deal
with the mess?
Because there's so many thatwill not.
The ones that stay are very fewDawn, I wish I could say we
have this huge track recordRight, but actually the ones who
are willing it's very small.
Yeah, he said I never count.
He said because I don't know.
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He said you don't know whenthey're going to come back.
And he looked at me and he saidStephanie, they will come back
Someday.
They will come back and theywill thank you, but you don't
count.
You don't count how many.
You don't count how many youlose.
You don't count how many youwin.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Yeah, right.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
We take no credit and we take no blame, we just make
ourselves available to them.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
That's good.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Hey, if you want to change your life, yeah, today's
a good day.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Here's your opportunity.
We're here Because there's nota lot of places that will hire
an ex-convict or an ex-felon,right, if that's on your record,
you know.
As you say that, sister I amreminded of.
One of our favorite speakers isReverend David Wilkerson, and
he was sharing how he and hiswife started long before the
Brooklyn Tabernacle Church,right, they had started a boys'
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home and were helping to repairthe lives of young men who had
gone astray.
They only had five guys inthere and, for whatever reason,
it ended up getting shut downbecause it was so restricted by
bureaucracy and paperwork.
And we have a Jewish boy, andnow we have to have a Jewish
person in here to consult.
We have a Catholic boy, now wehave to have a priest on staff,
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and so there were so manyrestrictions that finally, after
just a short time, it did endup getting shut down.
And, long story short, he saidhe never understood and he
thought it was one of the worstfailures of his life and he
asked God why did I ever do that?
Now, long story short, 30, 40years later, a young man walks
up to him at a service and saidI was that Jewish boy and I had.
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I had in and out situation withmy parents and because of that
experience and we went to onerevival with you and that
revival changed my life.
It planted a seed and I am nowa pastor, I am married, I have
my own family and I have achurch family I'm ministering to
.
So if he looked at it withhuman eyes, it was an absolute
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failure.
But God said wait, I plantedone seed in one boy's heart and
he grew up to be a force for God.
So thank you for doing whatyou're doing with that.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Yes, absolutely.
Now I'm going to switch backinto the other mode, where
you're a wife, you're a mom,you're now a Gigi.
I love the pictures of ourlittle Prince Uriah, her
grandson.
You're also a small businessowner.
How do you balance the load?
Because you make it look good,you are healthy, you've got a
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good balance, you have a goodfamily, you're life satisfied.
How do you balance all of that?
That's such a good question.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
I don't know Dawn.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Let's just be real.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Do you know what I mean?
Come on, let's just be real.
Do you know what I mean?
It's a mess.
It's a mess.
Here's the thing for me, though.
I was raised in a verydysfunctional family.
I was an orphan.
I was adopted into a familythat was a mess.
I should have been a statisticDawn, and when I met Ross, I
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decided my family was what I wasgoing to focus everything on
being at home and being therefor my kids.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
That was my number one job which is the exact
opposite of your experience as achild.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Absolutely, absolutely.
I left home when I was 16 yearsold, yeah.
So with that in mind, I wantedto be that mom who was there for
her kids, and so, even though Iwould go pray for the sick, I'd
go to the prison.
My number one thing was myfamily.
And then after that, in thekindness of God, he brought us
this and he had me go to schoollater in life.
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Right here I am 40 years old,with a bunch of 18 year olds in
Bible college, you know.
So God has a funny way of doingthings.
He trained me first, wow, andthen he taught me with books
yeah, that's great by going outand doing this stuff.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
You kind of did it in reverse.
Most of us get the educationand then the experience.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
You have the experience and then the
education that and there's beenseasons that have been super
busy and chaotic, and there havebeen seasons that are super
peaceful and good, and I'm inthat sweet spot of life where
it's both and and I'm just sograteful for it.
And you asked about survivinglockdown earlier.
I don't know if I answered it,Because who knew what was coming
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?
Though, Did anybody know whatwas coming?
We had no idea.
We literally thought I think itwas in March.
They were like, yeah, we'regoing to shut down for four
weeks.
We thought, okay, by summerthree weeks we're going to be
back in business.
I mean imagine we just openedone year before.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Oh, really, at Wai'oli.
Yes, okay, I did not know that.
Yeah, so our first year, we'rejust getting through.
I was gonna say, as arestaurant, many of them don't
make it to the one year mark andyou just made it,
congratulations.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
And then the big closure yeah, we can't say that,
sorry no, that's okay that bigc word came, and what we learned
from that is unless the lordbuilds the house, come on
labor's labor in vain.
Yeah, you know what our sandalsdidn't wear out?
You know what Our lights stayedon?
We had no.
I think if it happened again,we'd have a little bit more of
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an idea of how to pivot.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Well sure, no one knew.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
We had no clue, we took no loans.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Wow, we got one grant .
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Wow, for very little, not even enough to pay the rent
and the lights, but it was agrant that was kind of them to
give to us, wow.
But we didn't take any loansbecause we didn't know are we
going to end up with $100,000debt Right On top of making no
money for all that time?
So we refused to do it Wisdom.
We threw ourselves on at themercy of God.
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And he answered us Wow, and.
And he answered us Wow, and heshowed us I've got you.
And you don't know that whenyou have your own money, you
don't know that.
When you're comfortable, youthink you know it, but you don't
know it until you are in thatdesperate place.
Come on, yes, if you don't fixthis, god, we will die.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Come on, we will literally.
Whom have I in heaven but you?
I have got nowhere else to go.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
And have I in heaven, but you, I have got nowhere
else to go, and it's a painfullesson, but it's the most
amazing lesson, Right, becausewe don't worry.
I don't worry like I used toworry I would get sick if people
didn't show up.
I mean I literally would belike, oh my gosh, how are we
going to get through the day?
How are we going to get?
We had three people go get highunder the bridge and they're
not coming back.
I mean, that's the kind ofthing that we face and I would
be neurotic, literally.
I was a mess and now I go it'syours, jesus, the restaurant's
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yours, the people are yours,you've got to do it.
And you know what he doesn't.
That's the thing is to watchhim move and watch him do it.
And it's not based on Ross'srestaurant experience although
that's helpful, right, when youwere asking about the secret
sauce it's not.
You know, we got to have thebasics right.
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You got to know your P&L,you've got to understand labor
costs, you've got to understandyour food costs, right.
But then that missing thing isknowing that God will bring the
people God will set you up.
He's gonna do it.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Wow and.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
I just want to encourage whoever is out there
thinking about embarking on thesmall business.
You've got to just trust Godwith that.
Do everything, Do your homework, Know what you know.
But that missing component issomething that only he can do.
The X factor is the cross.
The X factor is Jesus.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Wow, that's it.
And what I also want to throwin there is that Ross's
strengths also complement yourstrengths.
So when I walk into Wai'oliKitchen and Bake Shop, let's say
one of the strengths is thatyou both know Peter Merriman.
Of course we both loveMerriman's.
Let's go Friday, just throwingthat out there.
Yeah.
But you consulted with himbecause he was a family friend,
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a dear friend, and he was ableto say, hey, scale down the menu
, you just want to do a fewitems?
Great, I think you evenmentioned you had this whole
cheesecake thing, right yeah.
And he said, no, we're justgoing to scale it down, bring it
down to a few items, and you'regoing to nail those hard, and
you sure do.
Now you have people coming fromaround the world, japan
especially.
That love to.
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So Ross's strength there wasworking with how do I run a
business?
Then you come in and when I'mstanding in line, there's this
beautiful gift shop area that Iget to stand in and you have
some.
You know like you have thesethings that I mentioned.
This is another gift, but youalso have.
Sometimes there's lace,sometimes there's jewelry,
sometimes there's tea towels,and I love walking through that
(24:48):
as a woman that I just get toshop while I'm standing in line.
So your strengths complementeach other.
You also have your childrenworking there.
I love seeing your son, noah.
I see Gracie, gracie, yourdaughter, there.
Even Prince Uriah, their littleguy, shows up as the mascot of
the whole restaurant.
So it's a lot of working witheach other's strengths.
Would that be fair to say?
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Absolutely, it's a family business, right, it's a
family business.
When you come, we could beholding a baby, we could be
holding somebody else's baby,and I think that's what we
wanted to do in this generation.
So, at the times where it was atea house and you had to be
dressed and it was beautiful andwonderful.
That's fantastic.
But everybody says, oh, my oldauntie used to take me here, I
only went with grandma, I onlywent with you.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Yep, that's right.
Once in a blue moon.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Flip that and say bring your family.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Let them run around.
Do you know what I?
Speaker 2 (25:35):
mean Come.
Love that Come on a date, doyour thing.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
And come often.
It doesn't have to be a 50thanniversary or our graduation,
it's come every week.
I'm there three, five times aday, or a week, whichever is.
I'm not even joking.
Now.
I want to talk about theprophetic a little bit, because
I was trained by a mutual, ourmentor, right, and he said
(26:01):
sometimes, dawn, you can speakto 95% of the audience, but
sometimes you're going to speakto the five percent.
Um, how do you operate in theprophetic, friend?
And, by the way, as you dwellon that for just a second, I
want to back up and say thankyou for talking about, uh,
during the closure of the earth,right, the whole globe and
talking about surviving duringthat 2020 season, because I
(26:23):
think there have been timescoming upon us now that are hard
.
I'm hearing about thousands oflayoffs with major companies
around our nation and we're afirst world nation and so I'm
looking into the camera rightnow, knowing that there are
people who are possibly facinglayoffs.
A lot of people are right nowdrowning in credit card debt.
People are putting groceries onlayaway.
(26:45):
It's going to be tough times iswhat we foresee.
We foresee that even in thegood book that warns us, it is
written that hard times will becoming in the end of times.
But I'm not focusing on thenegative, because Jesus doesn't
warn us to scare us.
He's not about fear, that's theother side but he warns us
lovingly and I like to say don'tbe scared, be prepared Now.
(27:08):
That said, thank you forcovering how to survive in tough
times.
Throw yourself upon the feet ofthe Lord.
But I'm going to pivot thatright into.
What I was talking about isprophetic gifting.
You often, minister, stephanie,in the prophetic.
You've done that for mepersonally, thank you, prophetic
.
You've done that for mepersonally, thank you.
(27:29):
She looked at a photograph andshe called me out on a sinful
relationship that I was engagedin at the time.
You were the only one who hadthe steel spine to speak up to
Don O'Brien and call me out onsin, and I needed it.
It saved my life.
How do you hear the voice ofthe Lord?
And how do you do that For the5% advanced Christians who are
walking saying I want to startoperating the prophetic, because
(27:50):
they need to hear the word ofthe Lord?
How do we do that?
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Yeah, it's such a first of all.
It's very kind of you to saythat I wouldn't consider myself
a prophet.
I know you don't, but I wouldsay that everything flows out of
intimacy right with Jesus,everything that when you hear
the Lord, it's your intimacythat you would hear him through
me.
Same with me, it's my intimacythat says I'm not doing anything
(28:16):
.
Today I am reading the word ofGod and I think there has been a
famine in the land of the trueword of God, and so that's where
I get my strength, that's whereI get my oil.
We have to in this hour, donnie, we've got to have oil in our
labs, and it's not fun to say toa friend what's up with that.
Do you know what I mean?
Of course, not it's not fun.
(28:36):
And it's not a fun, you know.
I mean, when you say prophet,I'm like no, no, they stone the
prophets they kill the prophets,they gather the prophets, I
wouldn't say that about myself.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Any prophet with their assault dies hard.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
You're going to die a nasty, horrible death.
So we'll just say that I'm afriend.
That just confirms what youalready know.
I would say that about myself,right that Holy Spirit speaks to
you and he starts nudging you,and when you don't listen, he
will send the next person andsay Don let's go over here,
especially because there's beenso much in your life Don that
God is doing and even podcast,so important that all of us
(29:10):
right it's simple Repent.
Do you know what I mean?
Confess, repent, pray.
There's nothing new under thesun, it's super simple.
And if we just live in that andknow that it's his kindness,
that leads us to repentance.
That is the thing thatmotivates us and moves us in
this way.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
And I love your heart , friend, because you just said
it.
It's simple, it's confess,repent, pray and the scripture,
god's word.
There's such a goodness aboutbeing convicted, right Is he
does it not to break us but tobreak off that sin.
And he knows that he will wreckyour plans if your plans are
going to wreck your life andthat plan of mine in sinful
(29:52):
relationship with that gentlemanwas was going to absolutely
wreck me wow, again, it wasn'tthe first time and god says
we're done with doing this,flying in that same sin pattern
before you land in the in theplace of hell.
So what I love about thescripture, god's good word that
says confess your sins one toanother, that you may pray for
(30:14):
each other and then be healed,not to be broken or shamed or
made right.
It was like the woman at thefeet of jesus I love the way
that it was portrayed in melgibson's the passion of christ
remember that it's my favoritescene and she's caught in sin.
They didn't bring the guyaround, notice that, but they
catch this woman in sin, insexual sin.
(30:36):
They throw her before jesus,messiah, the lord, and, and he
basically calls out and saysthose with the least sin, you
may cast the first stone, goahead and stone the woman, but
the one with the least sin youstart.
And those men were smart enoughin that moment, as they gripped
those stones, to realize my God, I'd have to start stoning
(30:57):
myself.
And they dropped their stonesand left.
Now her hand is crawlingtowards him in that movie and
she's trying to touch himbecause he says woman, go and
sin no more.
He set her free.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
He said where woman are your accusers?
Speaker 1 (31:12):
There you go, come on yeah neither do I wow, woman,
go and sin no more and thefreedom that's so.
She followed him for the restof her earthly life and straight
into heaven.
So thank you for your love todo that and I love that you said
when I ask you how do you hear?
How do you minister?
How do you minister?
(31:32):
Cause I I'm thinking we'rewalking into a time when Jesus
said we are going to have tocast out demons, we're going to
have to heal the sick, preachboldly, give generously, and
that we would.
There's one more coming, butwe're going to have to do all
these things.
How do we do that?
By staying in the secret space,in the sacred space between me
and Him, that intimacy, that oilof the Holy Spirit.
(31:55):
Thank you for that.
You look fabulous.
By the way, I have to say Loveit.
Woo girl Coming on Aloha Alivewith some nice Manu Heali'i what
else could we wear on your show?
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Everything else is forbidden.
This verboten.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
You know it, it's, it's my brand.
Um now, last words, as we bringthis in for a landing and this
has been exceptional may I haveyou back?
I would love it and we wouldlove to come and film.
I already discussed it with thecrew and that was pre them
eating your food wait till theyeat it if we can come and film
at waioli we would love itbecause we want to talk more on
small business and I think thinkwe came down to the bare brass
(32:35):
tacks and the bottom line is thebottom line.
It's not about money, it's aboutpeople and when you do people
well and the connection, that'swhere you start to make a lot of
money In this world of well.
We have digital technology andAI.
We've got enough that will takecare of every other concern.
But you can't fake the jesusfunk and you can't fake the
people funk.
(32:55):
That's it, you guys give greatservice and purpose as people.
So you've lived here for atleast 30 years, though you're 21
, and ross for his own fourdecades.
What is aloha to you?
I always ask a guest at the endof the show.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
So good, um.
So at dukes, when ross wasthere, they hired uh, dr
conahele, dr george conahele.
Yeah, we were blessed to havethat practitioner comp yes, and
he gave us a huge sense of spacewhich we then took to wyolie
and understood our sense of nowonder and one of the things
(33:30):
that he taught us about aloha,because they started a class,
aloha 101, because all thesekids are coming right off the
ground.
I did not know that, yeah yeah,they did and they still do to
this day.
Started with Dr George, and thenumber one thing that we wanted
to get across to them was Alohais giving more than is expected
(33:51):
.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
And expecting nothing in return oh wow and that's
where we are with the restaurant, right you if I?
Give you a cup of coffee and ascone, you give me five bucks.
We don't want to be abouttransactions wow about that.
We want to exceed yourexpectations, give you more than
you expected, which may justmean prayer, which may just be
hey, how's your dad?
(34:13):
I haven't seen your son.
Where's your wife?
How's everybody doing just thatsimple act of kindness?
Yes, and isn't that what theculture?
is the extra at your waioliabsolutely I mean the, the
polynesian, the aloha culture,aloha culture lavish love with
no expectation back.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
You had me at hello, you had me at the lavish love,
but then you doubled down with ano expectation of return.
It's not transactional.
It's not transactional.
Wow, you can see it on that oneSister friend, that was good.
Okay, so last last question.
Thank you for telling us whatis aloha to you, a favorite
(34:54):
expression of aloha, whetherit's a taste or a smell.
Like you have a lay on, peoplelove lay right, maybe it's an
experience you've had as you'rehere.
What makes aloha so distinctivefor you?
What's your favorite smell,taste, experience?
Speaker 2 (35:04):
I would say puakini kini is my favorite smell, that
sweet smelling aroma thatreminds me that I'm back home
again.
Yeah, when I smell that, it'salways been like that.
Since the first time I camehere there was a smell.
It used to be more so in theairport.
When you came in the smell isdifferent, but it's also it's
also the people that that is solegitimately the culture that
(35:27):
they're always giving.
Oh, I saw that your car needstint.
Let me tint your window, Do youknow what I mean.
It's like no, I don't want anymoney.
I just saw you're gettingsomber.
Look how red your skin is.
No this is a true story andjust the way that this culture
loves and I love when peopletake that culture and they take
that coal.
That is Aloha, and they'regoing everywhere and it's
(35:50):
lighting up people everywhere.
That's aloha and they're goingeverywhere.
Yeah, and it's lighting uppeople everywhere.
That's never experienced.
You don't experience aloha innew york city, in los angeles
unless somebody from here goesand brings.
Yes, I think that's the beautyof aloha.
Yes, and it and it is spreadingeverywhere and ultimately, you
know, I don't have to tell youI'm not telling any polynesians
what aloha is you just taught mea 101, whatever, whatever,
(36:13):
sister, and it was a real good101 from Dr Kanahele.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Thank you for saying that, and I would like to come
in and reinforce what you justsaid is Aloha is not bound by
our shores, it's not locked inby the waves, and the biggest
ocean on earth, the PacificOcean, that we sit in the middle
of, it's spreading and, as youjust said, once you get that
touch of aloha I was justspeaking to my brother Jim.
He's moved to Florida, he'sretired there with his wife,
(36:38):
janet Grace, and he had on hisaloha shirt and he was going out
to dinner and one of the maitred' at this Italian place in
Florida said you must be fromHawaii because that's not a flea
market and no shame or shade onflea markets.
But he goes, that's a rent,that ain't nobody's like humble
kind.
That's the real deal.
And this is an African-Americangentleman who said I was in the
(37:01):
Navy for a season and I servedpart of my tour there in Hawaii
and I learned the culture ofAloha.
And so he said well, sis, yougot to come visit, because now I
know the maitre d had a reallygood um italian place.
So once you are kissed by aloha, our prayer, our pule, is that
you will take it forward and, asyou just said, it's a hot coal
(37:22):
and it can start to light up andignite wildfires around the
earth, by the way, as we come infor a landing.
On this, I just want to imparta mahalo.
On this, I just want to imparta mahalo.
I am so grateful for you in mylife.
I am so grateful that when wewalk into Waiole, there is a
spirit of Shalom and in Hawaiian, it is to be just so at rest,
(37:46):
that it is completely still.
There is a stillness and asacred rest you afford us.
That's why I'm there like three, four times a day.
If I could Thank you and I knowas I'm listening to you on this
podcast, that you were anorphan, that that came from a
place from abandonment toabundance, wow and that you give
(38:08):
forward the love that you maynot have experienced except for
Abba, except for God, that younow express that love to those
who are the least of these andthe worst of we's, including
myself, dawn O'Brien.
Thank you for that, because itis creating exponential miracles
are going out as you provideyour humble sack lunch, like the
(38:29):
little boy with two fish andfive loaves.
You bring some really niceloaves and you bless so many to
a multitude of miracles.
So thank you, stephanieanderson.
Waioli kitchen and bake shop.
You're going to get yourselfsome beautiful scones not these,
because they're going straightinto my mouth when we cut the
cameras and you can also, um,either take it to go they've got
(38:51):
a lot of other baked items orelse they have breakfast and
they have lunch up on.
I think.
You're open at 8 am until 1 pmand they're open.
They're closed for sabbath, onsundays and they take the monday
.
You can open there with them attuesday through friday, no,
through saturday.
Tuesday through saturday.
Thank you very much.
Waioli kitchen Bake Shop, whereyou're going to experience
(39:12):
shalom and aloha Aloha.
From Aloha Alive.
I'm Auntie Dawn, stephanie andRoss Anderson.
God bless you.
Aloha and welcome to Aloha Live podcast.
I'm Auntie Dawn O'Brien, yourhost, and I'm here with one of
my dearest friends.
Her name is Steph Anderson, andshe and her husband Ross are
co-owners and operators of asmall business, and that's why
we're bringing to you today thesecret sauce of small business
success.
Welcome, lady Stephanie.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Oh, what an honor, Dawn.
I'm so excited to be here andso excited for what you're doing
in this season.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Thank you, amen, hallelujah.
And she actually helped mebirth this podcast, which is why
she gave me this gift.
It's one of those glass fishingballs, the floaters.
It meant a lot to my dad, whogrew up on the shore, a lot, and
she gave that to me.
So I have it here on my set asa shout out to you, even when
I'm not shouting out.
(01:00):
So thank you, mama, for helpingme.
Now we're talking about smallbusiness and I know that in this
time and in this season youknow, in any season small
business is a hard go.
Then you're talking put on topof that a restaurant which
waioli kitchen and bake shop,which you co-own and operate
with your husband, ross is arestaurant.
It's been in operation actuallyfor 102 years long, before you
(01:24):
guys even got there.
How do you make it work?
How do you make it?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
succeed.
Yeah, that's such a goodquestion.
You know it's actually comingup on 103 years this year, yeah,
and every year there's beendifferent people over the
generations that have taken therestaurant right.
It started when Salvation Armyhad the orphanage up there and
they used the restaurant totrain the girls to make pies and
(01:50):
jams and jellies.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Life skills because they were getting pregnant
outside of wedlock, which iswhat it used to be called back
in the day, and that was kind ofa social stigma again back in
the day.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Yeah.
So go ahead and these younggirls learned life skills,
that's it and that's still whatthey're learning, but in a
different generation, right?
So they did have the home forunwed mothers.
First they had the orphanage,then the unwed mothers and now
in this generation, we felt likeaddiction is such a strong
thing.
Come on, people are suffering.
Incarceration is huge as well,and I had spent six years, uh,
(02:27):
in the women's prison, preachingand teaching and counseling and
we realized that in prisonthese women have a lot of
support.
They can get their ged, there'sa lot of support in the prison,
but when they get out of prison, they literally just open the
doors and out they go and it'slike a vacuum.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
To be real honest, it's just.
All of that support goes bye-bye, that's it and then they're
left on their own and they gousually back.
And I know the recidivism ratehere in the united states of
america, which is the mostincarcerated nation in the world
the most by far, number two isnot even close.
And then you look at the mostincarcerated people or ethnic
(03:06):
group and I'm not trying toshame or slam anyone, that's
really not my business, that'sthe devil's business but the
most incarcerated ethnic group,a lot of people would guess
maybe African-American or maybeLatino-American, when in
actuality it'sPolynesian-American, it's
Tongans, samoans and Hawaiians.
And I'm a Tongan who looks atthat and says we have a real
(03:28):
problem when, by per capita orpeople group, we're most
represented in the prisons andwe're not helping our own people
.
So, thank you, and you'retalking about doing six years in
prison ministry here in thestate of Hawaii, that's right,
at WCCC, at the Women'sCorrectional Facility.
Thank you, sweet sister.
And by the way, if there's anyconfusion, my sweet friend has
(03:50):
been here for over 30 years.
I know she looks 21, but it'sbeen over 30 years.
And Ross, your husband, haslived here even longer than that
.
You're a true part 40, 40 years40 years.
Yeah, unbelievable.
Well, that Jesus juice looksgood on him because that
fountain of youth, you guys gotit going on.
Now let's speak to that.
You were talking aboutaddiction and inmates, and they
(04:12):
can.
A lot of these women coming outof women's correctional
facility.
You folks actually not onlyhire them, but you walk them
through the valley of the shadowof coming out of prison.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Wow, right.
I would say we're in the lifechange business, right, and it's
hard to change your life.
When we talk about business asa model and what that looks like
, we would say we're more of amission, right.
When you have a business, youare profit driven.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
And because we're on this side of our life, donnie,
we are we're on the shorter endof our life, so it wasn't about
starting a business for businesssake, right, business profit
drives.
But we knew in this, in thisside of our life, we needed to
be on mission right, and missionis purpose driven.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
It's not profit driven.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
That's good, so that's kind of where we are with
it.
This is a mission that we feellike God gave us.
Ross had been in the restaurantbusiness for over 30 years.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
And it wasn't no small potatoes there and I'm Don
small potatoes O'Brien, I getthe small potatoes, but he was
at Duke's Waikiki.
That was pretty huge.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Yeah, he, um.
He started in ts as a bus boyand he ended as the vice
president holy whoa yeah so he,he, he ran the whole gamut.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
That's wonderful but I love that you're saying it's
food on a mission, becausethat's even on your boxes of
scones.
By the way, we've got somebeautiful mountains of lumps of
love right here.
Thank you for bringing them.
I can't wait to finish filmingtoday so I can sink my fangs
into that.
And she brought some.
This is my order.
If I'm within a five mileradius of Waioli Kitchen and
(05:55):
Bake Shop, they've already gotmy French press going.
So thank you for bringing thehot French press.
But you guys are food on amission.
It's on every box that goes outof scones.
You guys got to get thesescones and we were just talking.
I got to get one more plug in.
One of your resident chefs cameup with this ube, which is sweet
(06:15):
potato, purple sweet potato,japanese style, local style, and
it has white chocolate chipsand drizzles of the divine.
That's all I'm gonna say.
They judge it and you put it inyour mouth and you go to heaven
, so in a good way.
So we also have some savoryscones.
We've got some.
I think it was mango, lily, koi, right.
And then at the shop see, Ican't even talk without
(06:38):
salivating and then at the shopwe also have the ginger candied
ginger scones.
I recently took these to awomen's tea at my church and I
was stopped by one of thepillars and they said where did
you get these scones?
Why only kitchen and bake shop?
Thank you so much.
So, food on a mission and, asyou said, it's small business,
(06:58):
not necessarily in this seasonfor profit, but in this season
it's for people.
You work with ex-inmates, youwork with ex-addicts, you even
work with houseless, which isanother huge issue here in our
islands.
Why do you do those things?
Speaker 2 (07:14):
You know, I think, dawn, it's a calling it's not
everybody's call to work,especially with the homeless,
especially with the addicted,especially with the incarcerated
.
I wouldn't suggest anybody justgo and do that.
It's what God has given us todo.
So everybody's traineddifferently, right, dawn, I was
(07:35):
trained going into the hospitaland praying for the sick in
hospice, then going into theprison.
That's just the way that Godtrained me.
God had Ross in the restaurantbusiness all this time, and
isn't it funny at this season ofour life that he would marry
the two together and say here wego, this is what I have for you
in this season.
I don't, I have no explanationfor it, except that's what he's
(08:01):
called us to do.
So that's what we do.
We want to see those who areinvisible, the ones who aren't
seen, the ones who.
That's what Jesus has called usto do.
Right, and as we follow him, hedirects our steps and he's
directed this restaurant.
And, yeah, the houseless is alla part of it.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
You know, I'm especially inspired by that
friend because as I look aroundat our nation and perhaps our
world, we have a lot more ofeach of those three categories.
We have a lot more people whoare becoming houseless.
We have a lot more addictshopefully ex-addicts, but I
don't know who's walking themthrough that.
We need more programs.
And then we have a lot morepeople who have become
(08:42):
incarcerated and being releasedearly because there's not enough
space.
So for those of us listening orthose of us who are watching,
that's why I'm bringing this toforefront, not just as a small
business and we are talkingabout that, but there's also the
food on a mission or businesson a mission, and if we don't
make that mission our business,it's going to be knocking at our
(09:04):
doors.
We're seeing a lot of thishappening in our communities
right, where we see thehouseless who are mentally
disturbed acting out at a7-Eleven, or we see someone in a
parking lot acting out, or youknow.
We see a lot of these issuesand so that's why, if we don't
make this mission our business,it will become your business.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
And so thank you for doing what you do Now.
You guys even went through 2020.
And I have to choose my wordscarefully so we're not struck
down by Lord algorithms.
How did you survive as a smallbusiness?
Because you're, if I may say, asmall bake shop and kitchen, a
restaurant.
You're only open for breakfast,lunch and the bakery right,
(09:43):
which is exceptional, but you'rein the back of Manoa right,
beautiful location, greatlocation, but you're a small
place in the back of Manoa.
How did you survive?
Speaker 2 (09:54):
That's such a good question, and every time I think
about it, there's only one waythat we survived on, and it was
God, 100%.
I'm not trying to dodge thequestion.
I'm telling you that we openedour first year and you were so
kind to say that we had a chef.
Honestly, dawn, we don't have achef.
We have a girl named Dita, whowas in and out of prison her
(10:16):
entire life.
Now she spent more than ninemonths outside of prison.
Yeah, and she is the one whodoes this, and Is that her
creation, the ube?
I think it was a team consulton that.
It wasn't a chef, though, itwas them.
It was them being creativesaying, hey, can we try this,
can we try that?
(10:36):
And this one step?
They tried a matcha failed.
You know what I mean.
But like, hey, that's whatwe're here for, let's try.
But our whole motto is try yeahand so she did that.
She's been with us for over fouryears now.
Did not go back to the prisonwow that she didn't.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
and I was saying the recidivism rate in the united
states of america is two out ofthree ex-prisoners go right back
in.
So how do we break that cycleof prison?
How do we break that cycle ofprison?
How do we break the cycle ofpoverty?
How do we break the cycle ofabandonment and come back into
abundance of God and I believethat's what you're speaking to
and in surviving 2020 and whathappened to the whole world and
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you were forced to shut down fora few months, but you folks
were able to come back and youwere forced to shut down for a
few months, but you folks wereable to come back, yeah, by the
grace of God.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
And this is really what we learned in that season
that it's going to take thecommunity to heal the community.
When you hear our people'sstories, dawn, it's no wonder
they served time in prison, it'sno wonder they became addicted,
right?
So much of it is generationalcriminality, generational
addiction, right?
If that's all you know, that'syour reality, and so we have to
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change the reality, which I wishI had, like a just, oh, a
perfect formula for you.
But the only thing that hasworked for us is have them meet
Jesus, have them know that therewas a plan and a purpose for
their life and it wasn't to be acriminal and it wasn't to be a
no, I got it right because someof them have never even thought
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about that.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
No, no right, it's not a conception like.
We have certain houselesscommunities on the west side of
Oahu.
There are five, six generationsdeep in houselessness.
They've never known anotheroption.
I was just speaking with fostercare families today, advocates,
and they said there was a child.
She was about 18 years old, shehad almost aged out, but it was
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back on the foster care blockand she finally found a mom and
dad and the highest complimentshe could have given this pastor
and his wife, who is also a,after she had lived with them
for a few months and before shewas about to turn 18, she said
you're my TV mom and dad.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
I've only ever seen a mom and dad like this on TV,
and so I knew that it had toexist, because somebody created
TV shows where all the moms anddads are they love each other,
they're joking, they're laughing.
I never had that in my life,but I knew when I watched TV.
It must be real and you're thereal deal, wow.
And so thank you for sayingthat, especially when you're
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working with ex-inmates,ex-addicts, and houseless is and
this is a saying I don't knowwhat I don't know right, that's
what my Dilima family teaches meyou don't know what you don't
know.
And I'm like, yeah, I know, Idon't know what I don't know,
but families who are five, sixgenerations deep into
houselessness, maybe a fosterchild, they don't know what they
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don't know until they come intocommunity and come into
connection, and that's what youprovide.
At the 100 year celebration ofthe Wai'oli Kitchen and Bake
Shop, I was there.
Thank you for having me as oneof your guests.
I was also invited by theSalvation Army right Charmaine
Cueva she also brought Hawa Nealshe's a dear friend said please
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come up for the celebration,and they reflected all the way
back to the first orphanage, asyou said, and then the moms who
were learning there on base.
But I saw one of the women whois an ex-inmate, got up to share
a testimony in front of thenews crews and she looked right
at you and then at Ross, yourhusband, and said it was thanks
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to having a father figure withthe patience to put up with my
stuff, my issues, and keeploving me no matter what.
And she did break down and shedsome tears a number of times,
but they look to the two of youas that, mom and dad, when I
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read some of your and I'm goingto bring this back to you and
ask you some questions.
But I looked at your website.
It's as beautiful as theWai'oli location up there in
Manoa and it says that you folkscombine our livelihood with our
passion.
It also says, and I quote onlythrough the success of our
people will we thrive.
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Engage everyone.
We meet with a heart of servicethat transcends the needs of
ourselves.
Wow, now you wrote those valueson your website.
But I also just told you I sawit for myself, not through
third-hand gossip, but throughgospel, the good news and
testimony of some of your womentestifying.
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How do you guys walk that outevery day?
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Yeah, it's messy Dawn .
I wish like again.
We're always looking for aformula.
How can we help them not goback?
How can we keep them fromwanting to go get high under the
bridge?
This is something that everyday faces them.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
It's a constant nag and pull to pull them back and
let's be fair, you have had someformer workers who were in and
out.
You would give them a secondchance and a third and I know
them personally.
They were my friends.
I didn't even know you as aclose friend at that season, so
I love that you're honest insaying it's messy, yeah, but we
walk it out.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
We walk it out and you know what You're fired today
, but come back tomorrow andwe'll see how you're doing Right
, and hopefully you'll want tocome back again, wow.
They don't always.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
We've lost a number of them.
I met Father Boyle from HomeboyIndustries.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Oh, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
And I said how do you do it, like, how do you deal
with the mess?
Because there's so many thatwill not.
The ones that stay are very fewDawn, I wish I could say we
have this huge track recordRight, but actually the ones who
are willing it's very small.
Yeah, he said I never count.
He said because I don't know.
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He said you don't know whenthey're going to come back.
And he looked at me and he saidStephanie, they will come back
Someday.
They will come back and theywill thank you, but you don't
count.
You don't count how many.
You don't count how many youlose.
You don't count how many youwin.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Yeah, right.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
We take no credit and we take no blame, we just make
ourselves available to them.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
That's good.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Hey, if you want to change your life, yeah, today's
a good day.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Here's your opportunity.
We're here Because there's nota lot of places that will hire
an ex-convict or an ex-felon,right, if that's on your record,
you know.
As you say that, sister I amreminded of.
One of our favorite speakers isReverend David Wilkerson, and
he was sharing how he and hiswife started long before the
Brooklyn Tabernacle Church,right, they had started a boys'
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home and were helping to repairthe lives of young men who had
gone astray.
They only had five guys inthere and, for whatever reason,
it ended up getting shut downbecause it was so restricted by
bureaucracy and paperwork.
And we have a Jewish boy, andnow we have to have a Jewish
person in here to consult.
We have a Catholic boy, now wehave to have a priest on staff,
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and so there were so manyrestrictions that finally, after
just a short time, it did endup getting shut down.
And, long story short, he saidhe never understood and he
thought it was one of the worstfailures of his life and he
asked God why did I ever do that?
Now, long story short, 30, 40years later, a young man walks
up to him at a service and saidI was that Jewish boy and I had.
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I had in and out situation withmy parents and because of that
experience and we went to onerevival with you and that
revival changed my life.
It planted a seed and I am nowa pastor, I am married, I have
my own family and I have achurch family I'm ministering to
.
So if he looked at it withhuman eyes, it was an absolute
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failure.
But God said wait, I plantedone seed in one boy's heart and
he grew up to be a force for God.
So thank you for doing whatyou're doing with that.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Yes, absolutely.
Now I'm going to switch backinto the other mode, where
you're a wife, you're a mom,you're now a Gigi.
I love the pictures of ourlittle Prince Uriah, her
grandson.
You're also a small businessowner.
How do you balance the load?
Because you make it look good,you are healthy, you've got a
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good balance, you have a goodfamily, you're life satisfied.
How do you balance all of that?
That's such a good question.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
I don't know Dawn.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Let's just be real.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Do you know what I mean?
Come on, let's just be real.
Do you know what I mean?
It's a mess.
It's a mess.
Here's the thing for me, though.
I was raised in a verydysfunctional family.
I was an orphan.
I was adopted into a familythat was a mess.
I should have been a statisticDawn, and when I met Ross, I
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decided my family was what I wasgoing to focus everything on
being at home and being therefor my kids.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
That was my number one job which is the exact
opposite of your experience as achild.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Absolutely, absolutely.
I left home when I was 16 yearsold, yeah.
So with that in mind, I wantedto be that mom who was there for
her kids, and so, even though Iwould go pray for the sick, I'd
go to the prison.
My number one thing was myfamily.
And then after that, in thekindness of God, he brought us
this and he had me go to schoollater in life.
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Right here I am 40 years old,with a bunch of 18 year olds in
Bible college, you know.
So God has a funny way of doingthings.
He trained me first, wow, andthen he taught me with books
yeah, that's great by going outand doing this stuff.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
You kind of did it in reverse.
Most of us get the educationand then the experience.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
You have the experience and then the
education that and there's beenseasons that have been super
busy and chaotic, and there havebeen seasons that are super
peaceful and good, and I'm inthat sweet spot of life where
it's both and and I'm just sograteful for it.
And you asked about survivinglockdown earlier.
I don't know if I answered it,Because who knew what was coming
(20:43):
?
Though, Did anybody know whatwas coming?
We had no idea.
We literally thought I think itwas in March.
They were like, yeah, we'regoing to shut down for four
weeks.
We thought, okay, by summerthree weeks we're going to be
back in business.
I mean imagine we just openedone year before.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Oh, really, at Wai'oli.
Yes, okay, I did not know that.
Yeah, so our first year, we'rejust getting through.
I was gonna say, as arestaurant, many of them don't
make it to the one year mark andyou just made it,
congratulations.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
And then the big closure yeah, we can't say that,
sorry no, that's okay that bigc word came, and what we learned
from that is unless the lordbuilds the house, come on
labor's labor in vain.
Yeah, you know what our sandalsdidn't wear out?
You know what Our lights stayedon?
We had no.
I think if it happened again,we'd have a little bit more of
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an idea of how to pivot.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Well sure, no one knew.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
We had no clue, we took no loans.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Wow, we got one grant .
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Wow, for very little, not even enough to pay the rent
and the lights, but it was agrant that was kind of them to
give to us, wow.
But we didn't take any loansbecause we didn't know are we
going to end up with $100,000debt Right On top of making no
money for all that time?
So we refused to do it Wisdom.
We threw ourselves on at themercy of God.
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And he answered us Wow, and.
And he answered us Wow, and heshowed us I've got you.
And you don't know that whenyou have your own money, you
don't know that.
When you're comfortable, youthink you know it, but you don't
know it until you are in thatdesperate place.
Come on, yes, if you don't fixthis, god, we will die.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Come on, we will literally.
Whom have I in heaven but you?
I have got nowhere else to go.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
And have I in heaven, but you, I have got nowhere
else to go, and it's a painfullesson, but it's the most
amazing lesson, Right, becausewe don't worry.
I don't worry like I used toworry I would get sick if people
didn't show up.
I mean I literally would belike, oh my gosh, how are we
going to get through the day?
How are we going to get?
We had three people go get highunder the bridge and they're
not coming back.
I mean, that's the kind ofthing that we face and I would
be neurotic, literally.
I was a mess and now I go it'syours, jesus, the restaurant's
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yours, the people are yours,you've got to do it.
And you know what he doesn't.
That's the thing is to watchhim move and watch him do it.
And it's not based on Ross'srestaurant experience although
that's helpful, right, when youwere asking about the secret
sauce it's not.
You know, we got to have thebasics right.
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You got to know your P&L,you've got to understand labor
costs, you've got to understandyour food costs, right.
But then that missing thing isknowing that God will bring the
people God will set you up.
He's gonna do it.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Wow and.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
I just want to encourage whoever is out there
thinking about embarking on thesmall business.
You've got to just trust Godwith that.
Do everything, Do your homework, Know what you know.
But that missing component issomething that only he can do.
The X factor is the cross.
The X factor is Jesus.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Wow, that's it.
And what I also want to throwin there is that Ross's
strengths also complement yourstrengths.
So when I walk into Wai'oliKitchen and Bake Shop, let's say
one of the strengths is thatyou both know Peter Merriman.
Of course we both loveMerriman's.
Let's go Friday, just throwingthat out there.
Yeah.
But you consulted with himbecause he was a family friend,
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a dear friend, and he was ableto say, hey, scale down the menu
, you just want to do a fewitems?
Great, I think you evenmentioned you had this whole
cheesecake thing, right yeah.
And he said, no, we're justgoing to scale it down, bring it
down to a few items, and you'regoing to nail those hard, and
you sure do.
Now you have people coming fromaround the world, japan
especially.
That love to.
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So Ross's strength there wasworking with how do I run a
business?
Then you come in and when I'mstanding in line, there's this
beautiful gift shop area that Iget to stand in and you have
some.
You know like you have thesethings that I mentioned.
This is another gift, but youalso have.
Sometimes there's lace,sometimes there's jewelry,
sometimes there's tea towels,and I love walking through that
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as a woman that I just get toshop while I'm standing in line.
So your strengths complementeach other.
You also have your childrenworking there.
I love seeing your son, noah.
I see Gracie, gracie, yourdaughter, there.
Even Prince Uriah, their littleguy, shows up as the mascot of
the whole restaurant.
So it's a lot of working witheach other's strengths.
Would that be fair to say?
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Absolutely, it's a family business, right, it's a
family business.
When you come, we could beholding a baby, we could be
holding somebody else's baby,and I think that's what we
wanted to do in this generation.
So, at the times where it was atea house and you had to be
dressed and it was beautiful andwonderful.
That's fantastic.
But everybody says, oh, my oldauntie used to take me here, I
only went with grandma, I onlywent with you.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Yep, that's right.
Once in a blue moon.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Flip that and say bring your family.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Let them run around.
Do you know what I?
Speaker 2 (25:35):
mean Come.
Love that Come on a date, doyour thing.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
And come often.
It doesn't have to be a 50thanniversary or our graduation,
it's come every week.
I'm there three, five times aday, or a week, whichever is.
I'm not even joking.
Now.
I want to talk about theprophetic a little bit, because
I was trained by a mutual, ourmentor, right, and he said
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sometimes, dawn, you can speakto 95% of the audience, but
sometimes you're going to speakto the five percent.
Um, how do you operate in theprophetic, friend?
And, by the way, as you dwellon that for just a second, I
want to back up and say thankyou for talking about, uh,
during the closure of the earth,right, the whole globe and
talking about surviving duringthat 2020 season, because I
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think there have been timescoming upon us now that are hard
.
I'm hearing about thousands oflayoffs with major companies
around our nation and we're afirst world nation and so I'm
looking into the camera rightnow, knowing that there are
people who are possibly facinglayoffs.
A lot of people are right nowdrowning in credit card debt.
People are putting groceries onlayaway.
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It's going to be tough times iswhat we foresee.
We foresee that even in thegood book that warns us, it is
written that hard times will becoming in the end of times.
But I'm not focusing on thenegative, because Jesus doesn't
warn us to scare us.
He's not about fear, that's theother side but he warns us
lovingly and I like to say don'tbe scared, be prepared Now.
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That said, thank you forcovering how to survive in tough
times.
Throw yourself upon the feet ofthe Lord.
But I'm going to pivot thatright into.
What I was talking about isprophetic gifting.
You often, minister, stephanie,in the prophetic.
You've done that for mepersonally, thank you, prophetic
.
You've done that for mepersonally, thank you.
(27:29):
She looked at a photograph andshe called me out on a sinful
relationship that I was engagedin at the time.
You were the only one who hadthe steel spine to speak up to
Don O'Brien and call me out onsin, and I needed it.
It saved my life.
How do you hear the voice ofthe Lord?
And how do you do that For the5% advanced Christians who are
walking saying I want to startoperating the prophetic, because
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they need to hear the word ofthe Lord?
How do we do that?
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Yeah, it's such a first of all.
It's very kind of you to saythat I wouldn't consider myself
a prophet.
I know you don't, but I wouldsay that everything flows out of
intimacy right with Jesus,everything that when you hear
the Lord, it's your intimacythat you would hear him through
me.
Same with me, it's my intimacythat says I'm not doing anything
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.
Today I am reading the word ofGod and I think there has been a
famine in the land of the trueword of God, and so that's where
I get my strength, that's whereI get my oil.
We have to in this hour, donnie, we've got to have oil in our
labs, and it's not fun to say toa friend what's up with that.
Do you know what I mean?
Of course, not it's not fun.
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And it's not a fun, you know.
I mean, when you say prophet,I'm like no, no, they stone the
prophets they kill the prophets,they gather the prophets, I
wouldn't say that about myself.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Any prophet with their assault dies hard.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
You're going to die a nasty, horrible death.
So we'll just say that I'm afriend.
That just confirms what youalready know.
I would say that about myself,right that Holy Spirit speaks to
you and he starts nudging you,and when you don't listen, he
will send the next person andsay Don let's go over here,
especially because there's beenso much in your life Don that
God is doing and even podcast,so important that all of us
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right it's simple Repent.
Do you know what I mean?
Confess, repent, pray.
There's nothing new under thesun, it's super simple.
And if we just live in that andknow that it's his kindness,
that leads us to repentance.
That is the thing thatmotivates us and moves us in
this way.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
And I love your heart , friend, because you just said
it.
It's simple, it's confess,repent, pray and the scripture,
god's word.
There's such a goodness aboutbeing convicted, right Is he
does it not to break us but tobreak off that sin.
And he knows that he will wreckyour plans if your plans are
going to wreck your life andthat plan of mine in sinful
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relationship with that gentlemanwas was going to absolutely
wreck me wow, again, it wasn'tthe first time and god says
we're done with doing this,flying in that same sin pattern
before you land in the in theplace of hell.
So what I love about thescripture, god's good word that
says confess your sins one toanother, that you may pray for
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each other and then be healed,not to be broken or shamed or
made right.
It was like the woman at thefeet of jesus I love the way
that it was portrayed in melgibson's the passion of christ
remember that it's my favoritescene and she's caught in sin.
They didn't bring the guyaround, notice that, but they
catch this woman in sin, insexual sin.
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They throw her before jesus,messiah, the lord, and, and he
basically calls out and saysthose with the least sin, you
may cast the first stone, goahead and stone the woman, but
the one with the least sin youstart.
And those men were smart enoughin that moment, as they gripped
those stones, to realize my God, I'd have to start stoning
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myself.
And they dropped their stonesand left.
Now her hand is crawlingtowards him in that movie and
she's trying to touch himbecause he says woman, go and
sin no more.
He set her free.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
He said where woman are your accusers?
Speaker 1 (31:12):
There you go, come on yeah neither do I wow, woman,
go and sin no more and thefreedom that's so.
She followed him for the restof her earthly life and straight
into heaven.
So thank you for your love todo that and I love that you said
when I ask you how do you hear?
How do you minister?
How do you minister?
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Cause I I'm thinking we'rewalking into a time when Jesus
said we are going to have tocast out demons, we're going to
have to heal the sick, preachboldly, give generously, and
that we would.
There's one more coming, butwe're going to have to do all
these things.
How do we do that?
By staying in the secret space,in the sacred space between me
and Him, that intimacy, that oilof the Holy Spirit.
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Thank you for that.
You look fabulous.
By the way, I have to say Loveit.
Woo girl Coming on Aloha Alivewith some nice Manu Heali'i what
else could we wear on your show?
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Everything else is forbidden.
This verboten.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
You know it, it's, it's my brand.
Um now, last words, as we bringthis in for a landing and this
has been exceptional may I haveyou back?
I would love it and we wouldlove to come and film.
I already discussed it with thecrew and that was pre them
eating your food wait till theyeat it if we can come and film
at waioli we would love itbecause we want to talk more on
small business and I think thinkwe came down to the bare brass
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tacks and the bottom line is thebottom line.
It's not about money, it's aboutpeople and when you do people
well and the connection, that'swhere you start to make a lot of
money In this world of well.
We have digital technology andAI.
We've got enough that will takecare of every other concern.
But you can't fake the jesusfunk and you can't fake the
people funk.
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That's it, you guys give greatservice and purpose as people.
So you've lived here for atleast 30 years, though you're 21
, and ross for his own fourdecades.
What is aloha to you?
I always ask a guest at the endof the show.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
So good, um.
So at dukes, when ross wasthere, they hired uh, dr
conahele, dr george conahele.
Yeah, we were blessed to havethat practitioner comp yes, and
he gave us a huge sense of spacewhich we then took to wyolie
and understood our sense of nowonder and one of the things
(33:30):
that he taught us about aloha,because they started a class,
aloha 101, because all thesekids are coming right off the
ground.
I did not know that, yeah yeah,they did and they still do to
this day.
Started with Dr George, and thenumber one thing that we wanted
to get across to them was Alohais giving more than is expected
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.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
And expecting nothing in return oh wow and that's
where we are with the restaurant, right you if I?
Give you a cup of coffee and ascone, you give me five bucks.
We don't want to be abouttransactions wow about that.
We want to exceed yourexpectations, give you more than
you expected, which may justmean prayer, which may just be
hey, how's your dad?
(34:13):
I haven't seen your son.
Where's your wife?
How's everybody doing just thatsimple act of kindness?
Yes, and isn't that what theculture?
is the extra at your waioliabsolutely I mean the, the
polynesian, the aloha culture,aloha culture lavish love with
no expectation back.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
You had me at hello, you had me at the lavish love,
but then you doubled down with ano expectation of return.
It's not transactional.
It's not transactional.
Wow, you can see it on that oneSister friend, that was good.
Okay, so last last question.
Thank you for telling us whatis aloha to you, a favorite
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expression of aloha, whetherit's a taste or a smell.
Like you have a lay on, peoplelove lay right, maybe it's an
experience you've had as you'rehere.
What makes aloha so distinctivefor you?
What's your favorite smell,taste, experience?
Speaker 2 (35:04):
I would say puakini kini is my favorite smell, that
sweet smelling aroma thatreminds me that I'm back home
again.
Yeah, when I smell that, it'salways been like that.
Since the first time I camehere there was a smell.
It used to be more so in theairport.
When you came in the smell isdifferent, but it's also it's
also the people that that is solegitimately the culture that
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they're always giving.
Oh, I saw that your car needstint.
Let me tint your window, Do youknow what I mean.
It's like no, I don't want anymoney.
I just saw you're gettingsomber.
Look how red your skin is.
No this is a true story andjust the way that this culture
loves and I love when peopletake that culture and they take
that coal.
That is Aloha, and they'regoing everywhere and it's
(35:50):
lighting up people everywhere.
That's aloha and they're goingeverywhere.
Yeah, and it's lighting uppeople everywhere.
That's never experienced.
You don't experience aloha innew york city, in los angeles
unless somebody from here goesand brings.
Yes, I think that's the beautyof aloha.
Yes, and it and it is spreadingeverywhere and ultimately, you
know, I don't have to tell youI'm not telling any polynesians
what aloha is you just taught mea 101, whatever, whatever,
(36:13):
sister, and it was a real good101 from Dr Kanahele.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Thank you for saying that, and I would like to come
in and reinforce what you justsaid is Aloha is not bound by
our shores, it's not locked inby the waves, and the biggest
ocean on earth, the PacificOcean, that we sit in the middle
of, it's spreading and, as youjust said, once you get that
touch of aloha I was justspeaking to my brother Jim.
He's moved to Florida, he'sretired there with his wife,
(36:38):
janet Grace, and he had on hisaloha shirt and he was going out
to dinner and one of the maitred' at this Italian place in
Florida said you must be fromHawaii because that's not a flea
market and no shame or shade onflea markets.
But he goes, that's a rent,that ain't nobody's like humble
kind.
That's the real deal.
And this is an African-Americangentleman who said I was in the
(37:01):
Navy for a season and I servedpart of my tour there in Hawaii
and I learned the culture ofAloha.
And so he said well, sis, yougot to come visit, because now I
know the maitre d had a reallygood um italian place.
So once you are kissed by aloha, our prayer, our pule, is that
you will take it forward and, asyou just said, it's a hot coal
(37:22):
and it can start to light up andignite wildfires around the
earth, by the way, as we come infor a landing.
On this, I just want to imparta mahalo.
On this, I just want to imparta mahalo.
I am so grateful for you in mylife.
I am so grateful that when wewalk into Waiole, there is a
spirit of Shalom and in Hawaiian, it is to be just so at rest,
(37:46):
that it is completely still.
There is a stillness and asacred rest you afford us.
That's why I'm there like three, four times a day.
If I could Thank you and I knowas I'm listening to you on this
podcast, that you were anorphan, that that came from a
place from abandonment toabundance, wow and that you give
(38:08):
forward the love that you maynot have experienced except for
Abba, except for God, that younow express that love to those
who are the least of these andthe worst of we's, including
myself, dawn O'Brien.
Thank you for that, because itis creating exponential miracles
are going out as you provideyour humble sack lunch, like the
(38:29):
little boy with two fish andfive loaves.
You bring some really niceloaves and you bless so many to
a multitude of miracles.
So thank you, stephanieanderson.
Waioli kitchen and bake shop.
You're going to get yourselfsome beautiful scones not these,
because they're going straightinto my mouth when we cut the
cameras and you can also, um,either take it to go they've got
(38:51):
a lot of other baked items orelse they have breakfast and
they have lunch up on.
I think.
You're open at 8 am until 1 pmand they're open.
They're closed for sabbath, onsundays and they take the monday
.
You can open there with them attuesday through friday, no,
through saturday.
Tuesday through saturday.
Thank you very much.
Waioli kitchen Bake Shop, whereyou're going to experience
(39:12):
shalom and aloha Aloha.
From Aloha Alive.
I'm Auntie Dawn, stephanie andRoss Anderson.
God bless you.
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