May 30, 2025 • 38 mins
Allen Cardinas, Jr. returns to complete ALOHA acrostic with the final "A" & explain why living these values is critical in today's challenging world. The complete framework provides a spiritual & relational compass for transforming relationships and communities through kindness, unity, respectful listening, humility & personal responsibility.
• Akahai (A): being kind by controlling yourself, not others
• Lōkahi (L): focusing on unity & building bridges, not walls
• 'Olu'olu (O): agreeing to disagree respectfully through skillful listening
• Ha'aha'a (H): practicing humility by seeking treasures in people, not trash
• Ahonui (A): taking extreme personal responsibility for your life & choices
• Cultural deconstruction happens when we lose the ALOHA "ti leaf" that holds society together
• Prioritize connection over correction & connection before perfection in relationships
• The goal of confrontation should be to manage yr own heart, not to control others
• Perfect love casts out fear, but fear can also cast out love if we're not mindful
• Living ALOHA means asking yourself: "If not I, then who? If not now, then when?"
Live Aloha, love Aloha, share Aloha & as we do that, the world will be a better place because of you. ALOHA!
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Welcome back.
You know, pastor Alan CardenasJr from Nanakuli.
We were having such a fast andfabulous conversation last time
that we you are sharing theA-L-O-H-A acrostic, and the two
poragie wannabes, the twotalkative people on set, kind of
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forgot to go back to the last Ain A-L-O-H-A.
So can you recap for us?
And you know, I love to saythat that was Jesus genius,
because we left them hanging.
The suspense was building andnow we have a part two with
Pastor Alan Cardenas.
Thanks for coming back, brother.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Blessed to be here to talk about the most important
thing in the world.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Yes, and that is aloha.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
And so again, just brief recap, and then we can
talk about why this is important.
Again, it's in Hawaii, revisedStatute 57.5.
Thank you.
The first A is Akahai to bekind.
In order to be kind to otherpeople, I have to learn how to
control me, no matter what theydo, because if I cannot control
myself, then I'm out of control.
Yes, and so I got to learn howto control myself, and I would
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never try to control or exploitother people.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Akahai kindness and interesting that that's a major
push and campaign in our schoolstoday Most every elementary be
kind, Right, right, Basic.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
So that's so important.
So that's the A L stands for lokahi or unity.
That is, focus on the we, notthe me.
Wow, and learn how to buildbridges, not blow them up.
Learn how to build bridges andnot walls.
That's good, and we need tolearn how to coexist.
You know, this year we'recelebrating 50 years of the
Hokulea the voyage.
Yes, and that is so importantfor us as a people because that
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symbolizes the voyage ofrediscovery.
Wow.
Of a people and a place.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Oh, wow, well, same thing with Aloha.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
It's a voyage of rediscovery of who we we are as
a people, and we have to look athim and learn how to coexist
together.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Um, in spite of our differences, yeah and uh,
because if not, the world'sgoing to fall apart well, and a
great pastor always teaches meabout lokahi coming together as
we put the unity in communityand also to bless no blast.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Oh wait, that was you on both counts, brother Alan
and a good illustration of thatfor all the kanakas, all the
hawaiians out there.
You know, it's like the tealeaf that hold the laulao
together.
Okay, right, without the leafthe laulao gonna fall apart,
dissipates.
Well, aloha is like that tealeaf, oh wow without that
without the lokahi, without theakahai, without aloha,
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everything will fall apart.
So, lokahi, without the akahai,without aloha, everything will
fall apart.
So, lokahi, we have to learnhow to coexist together, because
the island is a canoe and acanoe is an island.
We have to.
If there's any place in theworld that must demonstrate,
that must perpetuate, that it isus as an island people lokahi.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
And to go back to your bridge analogy, we can't
burn bridges on an islandBecause, as you said, if there's
anywhere in the whole wideworld that has to get the lokahi
, it's us.
We've got to maintainrelationship.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
But then the question is but how do we deal with all
these people, you know, withdifferent opinions, different
philosophies, a very dividednation Politics right.
Well, that's where the O inAloha comes in Olu Olu, nice.
That is to agree, to disagree,or to listen skillfully, and
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I've been talking about that awhole lot more, because Olu Olu
is the art of listening,listening respectfully to hear
and to understand where theother person's coming from.
Wow, and not agree.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Yes To agree, to disagree, agreeably or
respectfully.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Right.
So we need that, we need tolearn the art of listening.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
And I think some places like be like quick to
listen, like slow to speak andslow to get angry, it's good.
It's good right so that's the sowhen it comes to that, um, we
have to break the lie that wehave to agree on everything.
No, we don't.
No, we don't.
Who said that we don't?
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Mari and I this year will be 30years married in a row, for the
record.
In a row.
Love you, honey, love you, um.
And she reminded me in thecommunity that, yep, I don't
agree with Alan on 75 percentwow, I thought maybe five
percent, yeah, 75 percent, wow.
But we're able to the to staymarried and and be in this
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relationship because we'relearning the art of oluolu
skillfully so good andunderstand, vital to keep, vital
for the very survival, yeah,and existence for us as the
aloha people, aloha State.
So that's the O part, and thenthe H is humility, love it.
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You know, it's putting civilityback in humility, back in
civility, civilization, wow, andhumbling ourself to look at
other people better than us.
Yeah, and it really is learningthe art of being a treasure
hunter, looking for treasures inpeople, places and problems,
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especially in people.
We didn't vote for, we don'tlike, you know, because god so
loved the world and we got tolearn how to love the world the
way god does.
And he didn't send his son, jJesus which is, by the way, the
original Mr Aloha.
Yeah, he didn't send his soninto the world to judge, to
punish, to condemn, but to pullout the treasures in them.
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It's good and people place it,but you can only do that from a
position of humility, and that'sha'a, ha'a.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Wow, to be a treasure hunter and not just see the
trash and the opala everywhere.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Yeah, because if you look for trash in people, that's
all you're going to find,because you've been there done
that, whether it's politics andrelationships.
No matter where you go, we needto start to look at the lens.
You know, in order to see aloha, we need to put on the aloha
lens.
Wow, in such a way, oh my God,huh, you know, because if we no
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more Aloha, look at the world,people, places and problems from
the lens of Aloha.
All we're gonna see is trash.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
The darkness and how dark your world will be.
It's good.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
That's the H.
And then let's not forget,before we end this show.
I know we have very little timeand the reason why I am here
today is because of the last A.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Here it comes.
Oh, he did it.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Patience and perseverance, and part of that
is learning how to be patient.
And learning how to persevereis taking personal
responsibility for you.
Taking personal responsibilityfor you and going again,
managing you, but moreimportantly is it's taking
extreme responsibility.
Yeah, your life is the way itis because of the choices that
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you made.
Come on, stop blaming the whitehouse, stop blaming the mayor's
house, the governor's house.
Notice, my life is this waybecause I'm reaping what I'm
sowing and the decisions I madegot me in this mess.
So I need to learn how topersevere to this thing.
So part of it is takingresponsibility for your mess and
clean up your own mess wow,that's almost a truth.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
That's so clear and a trumpet blasts loud.
It's so clear to Alan when yousay take responsibility for
yourself.
But the reason why it's so loudis we don't hear that kind of
accountability in our worldanymore, in our culture.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
And that's why this message, dawn, and what you're
doing, is so important, and thisis what we're working on.
We're realizing, I'm realizingthat the spiritual more and
relational compass is broken,mm-hmm, very much so and we must
define what that is.
So I mean with governmentleaders, community leaders, and
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encouraging them that we mustfind a spiritual, relational,
moral compass that points tonorth, that doesn't change every
elections and that goes back.
And I them I'm not trying to bepreacher churchy here, but you
know the Bible is the foundationon civilization, very much so.
God created the Aina, theislands, and he gave us a set of
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rules and how to coexist.
That's the Bible and the spiritof Aloha.
So we must go back to that.
So the last E Ahonu is soimportant because, in order for
us to be patient and topersevere, we have to realize
that my mess and what's going onout there in the world is
because of what I have sown.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
So I have to realize that I have to clean up my mess.
I was with a retired policeofficer this morning and he
reminded me, alan, if we haveproblems out there going bad, we
have nobody but to blame butourselves.
Wow, and the Bible teaches usabout that right.
Exactly so, ahunui, is that Iwill take responsibility for the
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mess that I made and I willclean it up.
Wow, I will clean up my family,I will clean up my community, I
will clean up my home,havaiania.
I will, I will, and it's thatkind of passion, that kind of
desire and I will.
In persevering and havingpatience, I will honor the
generations before me, but Iwill leave a legacy for those
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after me.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
So good Me yes, on me yes.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Partnering God to be able to just live a little love,
a little, share a little, thatwe can turn this culture and
this world around.
So that's the A.
We got to it.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
High five brother, perseverance and patience.
And that starts with me because, even like compassion, I go
into schools, I teach compassionit's part of the Choose Love
program.
But compassion has to startagain with the teachers, with me
.
Before I can teach something, Ihave to be practicing it.
Or another Hawaiian mo'olelo orsaying is the ulu doesn't fall
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far from the tree.
On continent we might say theapple doesn't fall real far from
the tree.
I eat both ulu and apple, soI'm down either way.
But it means that your childbecomes like yourself.
You can only reproduce what youare, you know, speaking to the
extreme ownership andresponsibility that you were
saying.
I think there's just so muchgoodness to that.
And I say that fresh out of myown Bible devotions.
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This morning I was reading inthe book of first Samuel,
chapter two, and it was aboutyou know, samuel's sons were
stealing from the sacrifices atthe altar and I was like, yeah,
let's go, I'm going to startlynching.
All these names were coming tome about pastors who take the
sacrifice for themselves, as thesons were doing.
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And instead of that happening,I had it all written out, ready
to start blasting, not blessing,and the Lord said now let's
take a look at written out,ready to start blasting, not
blessing, and the Lord said nowlet's take a look at how you,
don O'Brien, have been takingthe best of the sacrifices for
yourself.
Oh, and all of that fire I wasgoing to start spitting at,
let's say, the White House, thegovernor's house, the mayor's
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house, all of that fire I hadfor other preachers' houses, the
Lord started turning back on me.
And once I deal with my what,lord?
What are you talking about?
When have I stolen the best ofthe sacrifices?
I live sacrificially?
No, you have not.
And then, when I turn back,it's kind of like what we say
when you point at somebody elseyou got one finger pointing at
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them, but you got four onyourself.
Now, when I look back to gohelp my brother, take the speck
out of his eye I have truecompassion because I took care
of the log forest in my own eyes.
Thank you for bringing that uptimely word no, but you're
bringing up something soimportant.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Allah begins with me yeah allah begins with me.
You can't give what you don'thave.
There it is, so it's an insideout.
There it is again, and that'swhy, again, uh, for me, I'm a
practitioner of practicing thesethings that we're talking about
, and we need it for such a timeas this.
So that's where it starts.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
It starts with us, and if that was fresh for me,
dob, this morning.
It's got to be fresh for a lotof us, because it's our culture
today to say no, no, no,everybody else needs to change.
I'm just going to keep waitingand to go back to your hokulea
comparison, or picture that, um,the hokuleas are our boat.
It's how we came here in acanoe, but in a boat, you
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usually have six people right,you've got the person in front,
the stroker, you've got theperson in back, the steers
person, and you've got fourpeople paddling for your life.
You are paddling to get to thefinish line and often, often
when I was paddling with HuiNanu, I was like I'm going to be
pulling my weight.
But when I see somebody elsecruising on what is meant to be
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a warship, because I'm fighting,this is war.
If you're sitting there eatingpopcorn and bonbons and having
the time of your life doing atour of the Kaanapali coast, you
out my boat Because now I haveto pull my weight.
I'm pulling the boat's weightand I'm pulling your weight,
which means we have a problem.
So I like that extremeownership.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Yeah, that's the expectation and again, that's
that's Aloha right.
Yes, to be able to coexisttogether, and it takes teamwork
to make the dream work.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
It's good and so forth.
So that's so good, so good.
I just thank you.
We got the final.
A yay, I feel, resolution, Ifeel completion next question,
pastor um, what is the best way,with all of that said, now that
we know the a, l, o, h, a andthat each component really was
prophetically determined, it wasspoken and they all come
together, coalesce so nicely, tobe the tea leaf that wraps that
lau lau, that keeps us together, how do we live aloha best
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today in this very hard andchallenging, even desperate,
world?
Speaker 2 (13:55):
You know, before I get into the how, if we can talk
about the why quickly, that'sgood.
Why?
Why aloha is so important.
I feel like there's a culturaldeconstruction going on Because
we don't have the aloha, the tealeaf, to hold it together.
And people ask what is thisculture deconstruction?
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You know, I've been hanging outwith Danny Silk, a great man of
God, and in his book called theWay of the Dragon Slayer, he
talks about the culturaldeconstruction.
It's the deconstruction of men.
Wow, the best version of men.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Because their fathers are not around.
They don't know the father.
So you don't have the very bestversion of the man of Aloha.
Wow, the best version, yeahRight.
So you have the deconstructionof man.
Now that guy gets married andyou get the deconstruction of
marriage, and then they makebabies and you get the
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deconstruction of the family.
And then now they go out there,they get involved in
organizations, eliteorganizations and maybe a church
or politics, whatever, and yougot the deconstruction of the
church and an organization andpolitics.
And then now you got thedeconstruction of the church and
an organization and politics.
And then now you got thedeconstruction of family and
everything is just unraveling.
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And now you have like in thebook of Genesis shame blame fear
, isolation, disconnection fromGod, from each other and the
aina sister, and thedeconstruction of culture leads
to the destruction of culture,and this will continue to happen
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unless the people of Aloha riseup and push against the unravel
and the destruction of culture.
No more Aloha in man, no m'alohain marriage, no m'aloha in
family, no m'aloha in whateverorganization and no m'aloha in a
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community.
I shared this in a meeting withgovernment officials a couple
of weeks ago and one of theleaders a very influential
leader stood up, said PastorAllen is right and these are
government officials and theyknow this right.
People look at the fruit, butyou got to look at the root come
on so this whole deconstructionthat's going on, that's the
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problem.
So that's the why, why we needto learn how to live aloha, so
we can shift from the worstversion of men, marriage, family
, community and so forth to thebest version, and that is aloha.
Apart from that, we're justmaking noise and there's a lot
of noise going on there.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Right, thank you.
And if we don't deal with theroot, we're going to keep
getting the same fruit.
It's like expecting somethingdifferent every time but we're
not changing because we didn'tdeal with the root issues
Exactly.
That's good.
So we know the why.
And even as you were sayingthat, Alan, I could hear just
like the implosion or theexplosion of buildings.
You know, when you see themtake down these buildings on the
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Vegas Strip or whatever it is,and they implode them down, I
could hear the crumbling.
Within one generation ithappened the most ideal, mr
Aloha man, that that happened Inone generation.
It happened the most ideal, mrAloha man, that that happened.
And then we see the fallout inthe families with fatherless
children and et cetera.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Yeah, so that's good.
So now that we know the why.
Now the how comes easy.
The how is become apractitioner, making Aloha our
highest, absolute, highestpriority, absolute, highest
priority.
There is nothing more importantthan defining the compass of
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Aloha and living Aloha.
I always say live Aloha, loveAloha, share Aloha.
Become a practitioner, and itdoesn't take much.
This morning, for the lastcouple of days there's been
cigarette butts all over in thefront of my home on my street
where I live, and then I foundout the neighbor next door
smoked cigarettes, threw it outthere.
We got home this morning and Itold Mari pray for me, I'm going
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to talk to my neighbor and Igot a whole bunch of cigarette
butts in a bag that I picked upas evidence.
So I took it next door and Maristarted praying and, excuse me,
can we like be the bestneighbors and take care of our
place?
I said I found all thesecigarette butts.
Apparently somebody that livesin his home is going right in
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the front and thrown out therein the road.
Could you please help us out abit?
And the guy is very apologeticand stuff.
So I went back.
All right, what did you do?
I went bless them and I blastthem.
Wow, I would practice all thestuff that I talk about, yeah.
And she said, wow, I don't knowif I would have been able to do
it so eloquently and nicely asyou did.
And I said you know what?
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The greatest thing?
It wasn't me, yeah, it was godin me.
It's good, and so we have tosubmit, surrender and and rely
and depend on.
Greater is he who is in me thanhe who is out there in the
world.
Galatians 12.20 is one of myfavorite verses when it comes to
tough times.
I have been crucified withChrist.
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I no longer live, but Christlives in me.
Right, excellent.
So we have to be able to lookat how can we live this out, not
just on Sunday mornings.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Right when you're preaching, but then to live up
to what you just sermonized.
And what's interesting to me isthat you're going to live next
to this neighbor for theconceivable near future, let's
say at least for the until theend of the month.
And so living in Aloha doesn'tmean just being a doormat and
saying, ah, no, worries, I lovehaving cigarette butts in my
front yard or on the sidewalk infront of our house.
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It's saying, hey brother, canwe be the best neighbor?
That was exceptional, because alot of times I might feel
uncomfortable confronting afriend or a neighbor or someone
saying your dog barks all nightlong, Could you please help me
out?
Or you know, we have trashpiling up or all these things
where we're not.
It's not confronting.
It is confronting, but withaloha, right To speak the truth
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in love.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Yeah, you know what we have to talk about
confrontation, because we'reliving in a times of
confrontation.
Thank you All over.
What is the goal ofconfrontation?
Well, the goal of confrontationis I will manage my heart, no
matter what you do, wow.
The goal of confrontation is Iwill manage my heart, no matter
what you do.
Wow, I will manage my heart, nomatter what you do, so I can
cast out the fear that God'slove is perfected.
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That's good.
We have to cast out fear,because love and fear are mortal
enemies, right?
Yes, there's so much fear goingon and all of us carry a bucket
.
One is a bucket of water.
Number two is a bucket ofgasoline.
It's easy and so easy and socommon for people to put
gasoline on a situation and makeit bigger what it is.
Yeah, when you practice aloha,you put water in a situation,
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right?
so go of confrontation I willmanage me, no matter how this
meeting goes.
And, by the way, I'm not hereto punish you, judge you,
condemn you.
I'm just here to love you.
I'm just here to connect, nomatter what.
Can we just kind of talk thisout, right?
Speaker 1 (20:46):
so we need to learn and get better at confronting,
communicating healthyconfrontation and I love that
you said the number one goal ofconfrontation is I'm going to
manage myself, which takes theextreme ownership of ahonui the
last a and aloha, but I wouldhave said resolution.
When I heard your question, whatis the number one goal of
confrontation?
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Is we have a problem?
There's a difference here.
How are we going to come to acommon resolution?
But it is resolution.
But before I can get to theresolution, I have to deal with
myself, which is what you said,and it's either I'm going to
pour the gas on it and make itreally bad, like I'll lay up in
my bed and just think about howI want to take out the
neighbor's dog because it'sbarking, to the point where I
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finally walk over there and I'mstarting to yell and say, brah,
your dog barks all night long.
I can't sleep.
And now I'm pouring that gas onthe fire and we've now
escalated into right.
And that's the game of war.
Is we're both going to escalate?
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Yeah, escalated into right, and that's the game of
war, is we're both going toescalate, yeah, so how do we?
live Aloha.
We have to prioritizeconnection over correction.
Wow, wow.
People want to correct, correct, correct and deal with the
issue and all of that, but ifthere's no connection, the issue
will always be there.
Right, because at the heart ofour problems is the problem of
our heart and if we cannotcontrol our heart to make
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connection the priority, we'renever going to see wow and
people said, but you know, oldschool, you got to correct them
and all of that.
And kelly boyd and have a goodtestimony and a video right
about his anger and all of that.
So what we have to do, I think,is we have to focus, make a
highest priority connectionbefore correction.
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Wow, and connection beforeperfection it's so good right
now, people want to perfecttheir kids, perfect their spouse
, perfect, perfect, perfect,perfect, perfect, perfect, and
we don't know that we're pushingthem away.
So we're creating distance, notconnection, absolutely.
And we want to correct, correct, correct, correct, correct, but
we're not connecting.
So how do you live, aloha?
Make connection, it's good, ournumber one priority, no matter
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what.
Wow, build that Case in point Iwas.
Well, we were.
Our neighborhood security watchwas honored at the state
Capitol a couple weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Congratulations, I saw it.
Nicely done to the whole team,right yeah?
Speaker 2 (23:04):
yeah.
And so you know, I was therereluctantly but I was obedient
to show up.
And what was amazing is thatwith a number of these
legislators, you know, I havestood against the policies that
they had recommended and votedfor fiercely, yeah, fiercely.
And sharing why this is notgood for our kids and our
community yeah.
Sharing why this is not goodfor our kids in our community,
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yeah.
But when we were there likethat, when we were honored that
day, 40, close to 50 legislatorsout there come up, they pass
out like, oh you representativeWhoa and I said you know what?
Wow, that's what I love aboutthe people in the place here
that we're not gonna have toagree on all these things and
we're gonna deal with the issueand the policy, but we're going
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to love each other so we're notgoing to act like the other 49
because we're the people in aplace of alarm.
Yeah, so that's how we dealwith things.
We deal with things in arespectful way, in a kind way,
in a way that we can look hequits together and olu olu right
you know we agree to disagree.
You know I heard what you said.
I I don't really understand.
I'm trying to understand butyou know, at the end of the day
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I get, I'm against this.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Yes, I'm against this Right.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
You know, love you, love you, thank you and the
family, and that's it, that'sreally it.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Huge.
Like you said, it's theconnection and then the
correction can come.
And what I extra appreciateabout you, Alan, is that you
even were very forthright and inthe front about this when you
said so-and-so senatorrepresentative, you know I'm
going to come hard against,let's say, sports gambling.
I'm going to come hard againstthis issue, but you know my
heart is with you.
I love you.
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At the end of the day, we'regoing to hug, we're going to be
one community, but on the issueof, let's say, sports gambling
or some of the other things thathave come up, I'm going to go
so hard, but it's about theissue, not about the person.
I am not against the person.
At the end of the day, we allget to be neighbors and friends.
Awesome job.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Yeah, I mean, I do that when I look at the bills.
Who introduced the bills?
Who's champion?
And if I ever, you know, I I domy best to reach out to them,
but especially if I have arelationship with them, right, a
courtesy, a personalprofessional, call a heads up.
I noticed that you're insupport of this.
I don't know, I don'tunderstand why.
I'm sure you got good reasons,but, FYI, I love you first of
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all, and that's what we have tocommunicate.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
I love you, right, I just so love you and that takes
the onus of the burden off ofthat person where it's like this
is a personal attack, and thenit puts it on the issue.
We're going to deal with theproblem.
It's not a problem.
The person is not the problem.
Yeah, I love that.
Okay, curveball Stock marketjust dropped the last two days
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thousands of points right.
Then I see Young Brothers israising their rates 20% and that
would be on every single thingthat's coming into the state of
Hawaii.
We also hear about a lot ofwars and the threats of wars.
We really look like we'reliving in the last days that
were predicted in the Bible andmany other places.
What would you say to anyonewho's watching this now, today,
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right in that seat where they'resitting?
That might need a word of hope,because things are getting
really tough in the state ofHawaii.
We know we have viewers inother places around the nation
and around the world.
What would you say to all of uswho are walking through some
desperate times?
How do we live?
Aloha?
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Yeah, if you're out there and you need hope to cope,
hope to float, there's one wayis Jesus Christ.
To be honest with you, put yourhope in Jesus, why?
Because he's the original MrAloha, so put your faith and
trust in him.
Number two remember who you are.
I don't know if you saw themovie the Lion King when Simba
lost his dad and Mufasa showedup in the water.
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It's my favorite.
Remember who you are.
In times like this, remember weare the people and the place of
Aloha.
That's good.
No matter how things go outthere, the only person you can
control on a good day isyourself.
So if you need help, jesusChrist is the way that you can
life, manage you, practice whatwe've been talking about.
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This end times thing comes up alot.
It has been With the economy,has been the economy, especially
with the economy, right, uh,wars, rumors of wars and so
forth and end times, end times,end times and so forth.
Let's talk about end times.
You know the scripture, joe 228.
We talked about this in thelast days god will pour out his
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spirit upon all flesh.
Come on, and people will beable to have dreams and visions
and prophesy.
That's so powerful because inthe end days, let's look for God
pouring out His Spirit upon allflesh.
Well, pastor, what do you needto have this Spirit?
You need flesh.
All you need.
Read the Bible, job 2.28.
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God will pour out His Spiritupon all flesh.
What's the qualification?
Flesh.28,.
God will pour out His Spiritupon all flesh.
What's the qualification?
Flesh, god.
There's a lot of flesh outthere right now.
So our natural needs God'ssuper and together we can go
supernatural.
Listen, in the end days, why bea natural person when you can
be a supernatural one?
Come on, that's what Elohim isall about.
Why have a normal marriage whenyou can have a supernatural
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marriage?
Yeah, you is all about.
Why have a normal marriage whenyou can have a supernatural
marriage?
yeah, why raise normal childrenwhen we can raise supernatural
let's go why do a a normal uhorganization?
we can have a supernatural.
Why go natural when we can gosupernatural, come on.
So god wants to pour out hisspirit upon all flesh in the
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days that we're living on, and Iwant to encourage you keep your
eyes on the Father.
I can tell you what your futureis going to look like.
Show me your daddy, I'll showyou your future.
Oh, we're going to go there.
Show me your daddy, I'll showyou your future, because God is
the God of the Lord.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Oh wow, God is in control of who?
Yes, sir, yes, come on.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
God is in control of.
Who is in control.
Let's not depend on thegovernment for provisions,
resource and protection, butlet's depend on the God the
great.
I am the alpha, the Omega, theGod that created this universe.
And let's be good stewards andask God for supernatural wisdom,
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supernatural provisions,supernatural steps moving
forward, and ask him to pour outyour soup on my natural so that
with you, I can be a people anda place of aloha.
Wow.
So all eyes on the Father forme in these days, I'm not
freaking out because God's loveis being perfected in me.
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I understand what's going on,but I'm not reading the stuff.
I mean, I look at that, but Ilook at the Father.
Amen, what the Father is doing.
So all eyes on the Father.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Yes, sir, I love that .
And you even mentioned the twomost powerful.
Uh well, the, the ultimatepowers on earth that we know is
love.
And then the opposite of loveis fear.
And you're either operatingunder love, and we are children
made in the image of God.
God is love.
So you're either operating inyour full power, optimal state,
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or you're operating in fear.
And, I'll be honest, it's realeasy for me to slip into the
doom scrolling, right.
I'm like, oh my gosh, 2,200points and stock futures and
this and that, but I'm supposedto set my face like a flint to
the cross and I'm supposed tokeep my eyes on Jesus because
he's working all things togetherfor good.
And I love how you said forgiveme, but I got to bring it back
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up you said, if God is pouringforth his spirit on all flesh I
got a lot of flesh right here,right, but it's making sure I
stay in the love lane, becausethe other lane is fear.
And when I start doing thatdoom scrolling or I start
looking at those heavy hittingheadlines and nuclear war and
preparation in Europe and China,taiwan, I mean my gosh, I could
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lose it real fast.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Yeah, and that's why, again, as you're talking, 1
John 4, 8 pops up for me thatperfect love casts out all fear.
Come on Right, there's no fearin love, there's no fear in love
.
The Bible says that.
And the same way that perfectlove can cast out fear, if we're
not careful, fear can cast outlove.
Yes, immediately, and that'swhat's happening.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Yes, and even to the strongest and the best of us who
are in our Bible daily.
And we start looking at thatother stuff and I'm like, oh my
gosh, oh my gosh.
I got to start prepping, I gotto start getting gold.
I got to start prepping, I gotto start getting gold.
I got to start and it's I justlet go of my Jesus, I just let
go of the love of the Lord, Ilet go of his hand and I've
started grabbing into the thingsof this world.
Is that not exactly whathappens to all of us on the
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daily, on the momentarily, onthe kinny popo?
Thank you for saying that,pastor.
So we are to live with hopebecause we have love and he
cannot be shaken.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
And what sets us apart from the world right.
We should be different.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
We are called to be a peculiar people, a holy nation,
a royal priesthood.
You're set apart.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Right.
So darkness is not the problemin the world.
Lack of light is, and that'swhat Elohim is.
Wow, elohim is light, elohim islife and Aloha is love.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Absolutely so.
That's a good word for us.
Now, I love when you'repreaching, pastor Allen.
I love when you drop good wordbecause it's so relevant and
it's so simple as a pimple, assome people like to say.
Now, who are your Aloha heroes?
Just to bring it up to thatlevel who do you look to when
you think about, when you'rehaving a bad day, how do you get
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yourself out of that funk?
Or who do you look up to asyour Aloha heroes?
Speaker 2 (32:34):
So many people.
We would have to take the nextcouple of years to point them
all out.
But top of mind.
Top of mind, gene Ward.
Representative Gene Ward.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Who, as of this filming just passed away, was it
two days ago.
Last week Friday?
Yeah, a few days.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
And why?
Because he personifies whatwe've been talking about.
He's a statesman Providingleadership for the greater good
of all people, regardless oftheir denomination, political
affiliation, ethnicity, economicstatus and so forth.
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He was an ambassador of Aloha.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
A pillar in our community, a champion for the
people.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Yeah, and another one is Tamalani.
No, I just gave her a buzz.
Sister Tamalani Just to remindher she was very instrumental in
the beginning days oftransforming Nanakuli.
Yes and so forth along withTukaiona.
So there's so many people.
I'm super grateful for allthose people that saw something
in me that I didn't see.
They saw potential in me that Ididn't see.
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You know, they saw potential inme, they believed in me, they
gave me platforms and just setme up for the people that I am
today.
But I thank my Lord and Savior,jesus Christ.
I thank my wife, mari, my kids,people like you that just see
the importance of the Spirit ofAllah.
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You're definitely one of myheroes Dawn, and that's why I'm
here today.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Thank you brother.
You get two Hilo girls Mari,your wife, and then your sister
from another mister who doesn'tlet you go, Thank you.
So, as we begin to bring this infor a landing, I got a couple,
just two last questions.
This is the Aloha Alive podcast.
By the way, thank you for myAloha card, which Pastor Alan
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and Duke Iona put out togetherand it's got on, as many of you
know.
On one side it's the side oflight.
I have the original, the OG,here, and it comes in this
little.
It has the A-L-O-H-A acrosticand then on one side it's the
side of darkness.
When you choose things likeunforgiving spirit, you're going
to get the fruit of that seed.
The fruit is disunity when I'munforgiving, and then the
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harvest is bitterness.
And let me tell you I don'tlike the dark side because I've
had the dark side.
But then there's the side oflight.
When I'm seeding forgivenessthat's the opposite of
unforgiveness I get the seed ofunity in my life, lo kahi, and
then the harvest of joy.
Thank you for this and we wantto seed into this seed that
you've been spreading.
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So we're going to give you thataloha later for more aloha
cards to be going out across thestate.
But what is your favorite partof our aloha culture, whether
it's a flavor, a smell.
Today I gave you the puainiKenilei and you, of course, love
that smell.
What's one thing you love aboutthat?
We celebrate in our Alohaculture.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
You know, if I had to summarize it in one word, it
would be Ohana, wow, familyright.
Good, I mean like thetheologian Lilo and Stitch right
.
Yes, nobody gets left behindwhen you look around families on
the beaches, families justloving together,
multi-generations, the kupunasright, the keiki.
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You know that, food and familyhere in the islands, food and
family, I just love that.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
What's your favorite food?
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Hawaiian food.
Where do you start?
You know all of it.
I love Hawaiian food.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Know right, the left side of the menu and the right
side.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Bring it, bring it all yeah, yeah, just local
people, local food that's good,ellen.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Last word, as you um, you know, I know you're out
there.
You've got to go from here tothe state capitol.
You've got a number of thingsyou're shaking and baking on.
You're also a pastor of nanaiKapono Protestant Church, which
is in Nanakuli, your hometown,where you grew up, born and bred
.
Last word you want to give thepeople, before you rip on out to
all the other things.
He's also part of the AlohaMinded, which puts out things
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like this.
So many different organizationsyou're part of.
You're also doing as you said.
You're walking the communitiesand doing neighborhood safety.
There's so many things, butwhat is one thing?
You want to leave the peoplewatching Aloha Alive podcast as
you go out.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
You know.
For all of you.
Again, thank you for tuning inand continue to stay connected.
Dawn and this message of Alohaagain, is one of the most
important things in the world.
Remember, we have theresponsibility to perpetuate the
values of this place Because ifnot you, then who?
If not now, then when?
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If not here, then where?
It's important for all of us tolokahi alaulima together,
because we are the people andthe place of aloha.
So, as we leave here together,again thank you for joining this
podcast.
Live Aloha, love Aloha, shareAloha, and as we do that, the
world will be a better placebecause of you.
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So thank you for checking usout Until we meet again malama
pono a hui hou.
God bless.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Aloha.
Thank you, pastor Alan Cardenas.
And as our little cakey singingthe schools A-L-O-H-A, and
today you got the final A inAloha with Pastor Alan.
Thank you again, aloha.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Aloha.
Welcome back.
You know, pastor Alan CardenasJr from Nanakuli.
We were having such a fast andfabulous conversation last time
that we you are sharing theA-L-O-H-A acrostic, and the two
poragie wannabes, the twotalkative people on set, kind of
(00:33):
forgot to go back to the last Ain A-L-O-H-A.
So can you recap for us?
And you know, I love to saythat that was Jesus genius,
because we left them hanging.
The suspense was building andnow we have a part two with
Pastor Alan Cardenas.
Thanks for coming back, brother.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Blessed to be here to talk about the most important
thing in the world.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Yes, and that is aloha.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
And so again, just brief recap, and then we can
talk about why this is important.
Again, it's in Hawaii, revisedStatute 57.5.
Thank you.
The first A is Akahai to bekind.
In order to be kind to otherpeople, I have to learn how to
control me, no matter what theydo, because if I cannot control
myself, then I'm out of control.
Yes, and so I got to learn howto control myself, and I would
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never try to control or exploitother people.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Akahai kindness and interesting that that's a major
push and campaign in our schoolstoday Most every elementary be
kind, Right, right, Basic.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
So that's so important.
So that's the A L stands for lokahi or unity.
That is, focus on the we, notthe me.
Wow, and learn how to buildbridges, not blow them up.
Learn how to build bridges andnot walls.
That's good, and we need tolearn how to coexist.
You know, this year we'recelebrating 50 years of the
Hokulea the voyage.
Yes, and that is so importantfor us as a people because that
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symbolizes the voyage ofrediscovery.
Wow.
Of a people and a place.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Oh, wow, well, same thing with Aloha.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
It's a voyage of rediscovery of who we we are as
a people, and we have to look athim and learn how to coexist
together.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Um, in spite of our differences, yeah and uh,
because if not, the world'sgoing to fall apart well, and a
great pastor always teaches meabout lokahi coming together as
we put the unity in communityand also to bless no blast.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Oh wait, that was you on both counts, brother Alan
and a good illustration of thatfor all the kanakas, all the
hawaiians out there.
You know, it's like the tealeaf that hold the laulao
together.
Okay, right, without the leafthe laulao gonna fall apart,
dissipates.
Well, aloha is like that tealeaf, oh wow without that
without the lokahi, without theakahai, without aloha,
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everything will fall apart.
So, lokahi, without the akahai,without aloha, everything will
fall apart.
So, lokahi, we have to learnhow to coexist together, because
the island is a canoe and acanoe is an island.
We have to.
If there's any place in theworld that must demonstrate,
that must perpetuate, that it isus as an island people lokahi.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
And to go back to your bridge analogy, we can't
burn bridges on an islandBecause, as you said, if there's
anywhere in the whole wideworld that has to get the lokahi
, it's us.
We've got to maintainrelationship.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
But then the question is but how do we deal with all
these people, you know, withdifferent opinions, different
philosophies, a very dividednation Politics right.
Well, that's where the O inAloha comes in Olu Olu, nice.
That is to agree, to disagree,or to listen skillfully, and
(03:34):
I've been talking about that awhole lot more, because Olu Olu
is the art of listening,listening respectfully to hear
and to understand where theother person's coming from.
Wow, and not agree.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Yes To agree, to disagree, agreeably or
respectfully.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Right.
So we need that, we need tolearn the art of listening.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
And I think some places like be like quick to
listen, like slow to speak andslow to get angry, it's good.
It's good right so that's the sowhen it comes to that, um, we
have to break the lie that wehave to agree on everything.
No, we don't.
No, we don't.
Who said that we don't?
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Mari and I this year will be 30years married in a row, for the
record.
In a row.
Love you, honey, love you, um.
And she reminded me in thecommunity that, yep, I don't
agree with Alan on 75 percentwow, I thought maybe five
percent, yeah, 75 percent, wow.
But we're able to the to staymarried and and be in this
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relationship because we'relearning the art of oluolu
skillfully so good andunderstand, vital to keep, vital
for the very survival, yeah,and existence for us as the
aloha people, aloha State.
So that's the O part, and thenthe H is humility, love it.
(05:09):
You know, it's putting civilityback in humility, back in
civility, civilization, wow, andhumbling ourself to look at
other people better than us.
Yeah, and it really is learningthe art of being a treasure
hunter, looking for treasures inpeople, places and problems,
(05:31):
especially in people.
We didn't vote for, we don'tlike, you know, because god so
loved the world and we got tolearn how to love the world the
way god does.
And he didn't send his son, jJesus which is, by the way, the
original Mr Aloha.
Yeah, he didn't send his soninto the world to judge, to
punish, to condemn, but to pullout the treasures in them.
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It's good and people place it,but you can only do that from a
position of humility, and that'sha'a, ha'a.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Wow, to be a treasure hunter and not just see the
trash and the opala everywhere.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Yeah, because if you look for trash in people, that's
all you're going to find,because you've been there done
that, whether it's politics andrelationships.
No matter where you go, we needto start to look at the lens.
You know, in order to see aloha, we need to put on the aloha
lens.
Wow, in such a way, oh my God,huh, you know, because if we no
(06:28):
more Aloha, look at the world,people, places and problems from
the lens of Aloha.
All we're gonna see is trash.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
The darkness and how dark your world will be.
It's good.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
That's the H.
And then let's not forget,before we end this show.
I know we have very little timeand the reason why I am here
today is because of the last A.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Here it comes.
Oh, he did it.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Patience and perseverance, and part of that
is learning how to be patient.
And learning how to persevereis taking personal
responsibility for you.
Taking personal responsibilityfor you and going again,
managing you, but moreimportantly is it's taking
extreme responsibility.
Yeah, your life is the way itis because of the choices that
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you made.
Come on, stop blaming the whitehouse, stop blaming the mayor's
house, the governor's house.
Notice, my life is this waybecause I'm reaping what I'm
sowing and the decisions I madegot me in this mess.
So I need to learn how topersevere to this thing.
So part of it is takingresponsibility for your mess and
clean up your own mess wow,that's almost a truth.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
That's so clear and a trumpet blasts loud.
It's so clear to Alan when yousay take responsibility for
yourself.
But the reason why it's so loudis we don't hear that kind of
accountability in our worldanymore, in our culture.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
And that's why this message, dawn, and what you're
doing, is so important, and thisis what we're working on.
We're realizing, I'm realizingthat the spiritual more and
relational compass is broken,mm-hmm, very much so and we must
define what that is.
So I mean with governmentleaders, community leaders, and
(08:14):
encouraging them that we mustfind a spiritual, relational,
moral compass that points tonorth, that doesn't change every
elections and that goes back.
And I them I'm not trying to bepreacher churchy here, but you
know the Bible is the foundationon civilization, very much so.
God created the Aina, theislands, and he gave us a set of
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rules and how to coexist.
That's the Bible and the spiritof Aloha.
So we must go back to that.
So the last E Ahonu is soimportant because, in order for
us to be patient and topersevere, we have to realize
that my mess and what's going onout there in the world is
because of what I have sown.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
So I have to realize that I have to clean up my mess.
I was with a retired policeofficer this morning and he
reminded me, alan, if we haveproblems out there going bad, we
have nobody but to blame butourselves.
Wow, and the Bible teaches usabout that right.
Exactly so, ahunui, is that Iwill take responsibility for the
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mess that I made and I willclean it up.
Wow, I will clean up my family,I will clean up my community, I
will clean up my home,havaiania.
I will, I will, and it's thatkind of passion, that kind of
desire and I will.
In persevering and havingpatience, I will honor the
generations before me, but Iwill leave a legacy for those
(09:40):
after me.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
So good Me yes, on me yes.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Partnering God to be able to just live a little love,
a little, share a little, thatwe can turn this culture and
this world around.
So that's the A.
We got to it.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
High five brother, perseverance and patience.
And that starts with me because, even like compassion, I go
into schools, I teach compassionit's part of the Choose Love
program.
But compassion has to startagain with the teachers, with me
.
Before I can teach something, Ihave to be practicing it.
Or another Hawaiian mo'olelo orsaying is the ulu doesn't fall
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far from the tree.
On continent we might say theapple doesn't fall real far from
the tree.
I eat both ulu and apple, soI'm down either way.
But it means that your childbecomes like yourself.
You can only reproduce what youare, you know, speaking to the
extreme ownership andresponsibility that you were
saying.
I think there's just so muchgoodness to that.
And I say that fresh out of myown Bible devotions.
(10:39):
This morning I was reading inthe book of first Samuel,
chapter two, and it was aboutyou know, samuel's sons were
stealing from the sacrifices atthe altar and I was like, yeah,
let's go, I'm going to startlynching.
All these names were coming tome about pastors who take the
sacrifice for themselves, as thesons were doing.
(11:00):
And instead of that happening,I had it all written out, ready
to start blasting, not blessing,and the Lord said now let's
take a look at written out,ready to start blasting, not
blessing, and the Lord said nowlet's take a look at how you,
don O'Brien, have been takingthe best of the sacrifices for
yourself.
Oh, and all of that fire I wasgoing to start spitting at,
let's say, the White House, thegovernor's house, the mayor's
(11:21):
house, all of that fire I hadfor other preachers' houses, the
Lord started turning back on me.
And once I deal with my what,lord?
What are you talking about?
When have I stolen the best ofthe sacrifices?
I live sacrificially?
No, you have not.
And then, when I turn back,it's kind of like what we say
when you point at somebody elseyou got one finger pointing at
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them, but you got four onyourself.
Now, when I look back to gohelp my brother, take the speck
out of his eye I have truecompassion because I took care
of the log forest in my own eyes.
Thank you for bringing that uptimely word no, but you're
bringing up something soimportant.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Allah begins with me yeah allah begins with me.
You can't give what you don'thave.
There it is, so it's an insideout.
There it is again, and that'swhy, again, uh, for me, I'm a
practitioner of practicing thesethings that we're talking about
, and we need it for such a timeas this.
So that's where it starts.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
It starts with us, and if that was fresh for me,
dob, this morning.
It's got to be fresh for a lotof us, because it's our culture
today to say no, no, no,everybody else needs to change.
I'm just going to keep waitingand to go back to your hokulea
comparison, or picture that, um,the hokuleas are our boat.
It's how we came here in acanoe, but in a boat, you
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usually have six people right,you've got the person in front,
the stroker, you've got theperson in back, the steers
person, and you've got fourpeople paddling for your life.
You are paddling to get to thefinish line and often, often
when I was paddling with HuiNanu, I was like I'm going to be
pulling my weight.
But when I see somebody elsecruising on what is meant to be
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a warship, because I'm fighting,this is war.
If you're sitting there eatingpopcorn and bonbons and having
the time of your life doing atour of the Kaanapali coast, you
out my boat Because now I haveto pull my weight.
I'm pulling the boat's weightand I'm pulling your weight,
which means we have a problem.
So I like that extremeownership.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Yeah, that's the expectation and again, that's
that's Aloha right.
Yes, to be able to coexisttogether, and it takes teamwork
to make the dream work.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
It's good and so forth.
So that's so good, so good.
I just thank you.
We got the final.
A yay, I feel, resolution, Ifeel completion next question,
pastor um, what is the best way,with all of that said, now that
we know the a, l, o, h, a andthat each component really was
prophetically determined, it wasspoken and they all come
together, coalesce so nicely, tobe the tea leaf that wraps that
lau lau, that keeps us together, how do we live aloha best
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today in this very hard andchallenging, even desperate,
world?
Speaker 2 (13:55):
You know, before I get into the how, if we can talk
about the why quickly, that'sgood.
Why?
Why aloha is so important.
I feel like there's a culturaldeconstruction going on Because
we don't have the aloha, the tealeaf, to hold it together.
And people ask what is thisculture deconstruction?
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You know, I've been hanging outwith Danny Silk, a great man of
God, and in his book called theWay of the Dragon Slayer, he
talks about the culturaldeconstruction.
It's the deconstruction of men.
Wow, the best version of men.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Because their fathers are not around.
They don't know the father.
So you don't have the very bestversion of the man of Aloha.
Wow, the best version, yeahRight.
So you have the deconstructionof man.
Now that guy gets married andyou get the deconstruction of
marriage, and then they makebabies and you get the
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deconstruction of the family.
And then now they go out there,they get involved in
organizations, eliteorganizations and maybe a church
or politics, whatever, and yougot the deconstruction of the
church and an organization andpolitics.
And then now you got thedeconstruction of the church and
an organization and politics.
And then now you got thedeconstruction of family and
everything is just unraveling.
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And now you have like in thebook of Genesis shame blame fear
, isolation, disconnection fromGod, from each other and the
aina sister, and thedeconstruction of culture leads
to the destruction of culture,and this will continue to happen
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unless the people of Aloha riseup and push against the unravel
and the destruction of culture.
No more Aloha in man, no m'alohain marriage, no m'aloha in
family, no m'aloha in whateverorganization and no m'aloha in a
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community.
I shared this in a meeting withgovernment officials a couple
of weeks ago and one of theleaders a very influential
leader stood up, said PastorAllen is right and these are
government officials and theyknow this right.
People look at the fruit, butyou got to look at the root come
on so this whole deconstructionthat's going on, that's the
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problem.
So that's the why, why we needto learn how to live aloha, so
we can shift from the worstversion of men, marriage, family
, community and so forth to thebest version, and that is aloha.
Apart from that, we're justmaking noise and there's a lot
of noise going on there.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Right, thank you.
And if we don't deal with theroot, we're going to keep
getting the same fruit.
It's like expecting somethingdifferent every time but we're
not changing because we didn'tdeal with the root issues
Exactly.
That's good.
So we know the why.
And even as you were sayingthat, Alan, I could hear just
like the implosion or theexplosion of buildings.
You know, when you see themtake down these buildings on the
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Vegas Strip or whatever it is,and they implode them down, I
could hear the crumbling.
Within one generation ithappened the most ideal, mr
Aloha man, that that happened Inone generation.
It happened the most ideal, mrAloha man, that that happened.
And then we see the fallout inthe families with fatherless
children and et cetera.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Yeah, so that's good.
So now that we know the why.
Now the how comes easy.
The how is become apractitioner, making Aloha our
highest, absolute, highestpriority, absolute, highest
priority.
There is nothing more importantthan defining the compass of
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Aloha and living Aloha.
I always say live Aloha, loveAloha, share Aloha.
Become a practitioner, and itdoesn't take much.
This morning, for the lastcouple of days there's been
cigarette butts all over in thefront of my home on my street
where I live, and then I foundout the neighbor next door
smoked cigarettes, threw it outthere.
We got home this morning and Itold Mari pray for me, I'm going
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to talk to my neighbor and Igot a whole bunch of cigarette
butts in a bag that I picked upas evidence.
So I took it next door and Maristarted praying and, excuse me,
can we like be the bestneighbors and take care of our
place?
I said I found all thesecigarette butts.
Apparently somebody that livesin his home is going right in
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the front and thrown out therein the road.
Could you please help us out abit?
And the guy is very apologeticand stuff.
So I went back.
All right, what did you do?
I went bless them and I blastthem.
Wow, I would practice all thestuff that I talk about, yeah.
And she said, wow, I don't knowif I would have been able to do
it so eloquently and nicely asyou did.
And I said you know what?
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The greatest thing?
It wasn't me, yeah, it was godin me.
It's good, and so we have tosubmit, surrender and and rely
and depend on.
Greater is he who is in me thanhe who is out there in the
world.
Galatians 12.20 is one of myfavorite verses when it comes to
tough times.
I have been crucified withChrist.
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I no longer live, but Christlives in me.
Right, excellent.
So we have to be able to lookat how can we live this out, not
just on Sunday mornings.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Right when you're preaching, but then to live up
to what you just sermonized.
And what's interesting to me isthat you're going to live next
to this neighbor for theconceivable near future, let's
say at least for the until theend of the month.
And so living in Aloha doesn'tmean just being a doormat and
saying, ah, no, worries, I lovehaving cigarette butts in my
front yard or on the sidewalk infront of our house.
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It's saying, hey brother, canwe be the best neighbor?
That was exceptional, because alot of times I might feel
uncomfortable confronting afriend or a neighbor or someone
saying your dog barks all nightlong, Could you please help me
out?
Or you know, we have trashpiling up or all these things
where we're not.
It's not confronting.
It is confronting, but withaloha, right To speak the truth
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in love.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Yeah, you know what we have to talk about
confrontation, because we'reliving in a times of
confrontation.
Thank you All over.
What is the goal ofconfrontation?
Well, the goal of confrontationis I will manage my heart, no
matter what you do, wow.
The goal of confrontation is Iwill manage my heart, no matter
what you do.
Wow, I will manage my heart, nomatter what you do, so I can
cast out the fear that God'slove is perfected.
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That's good.
We have to cast out fear,because love and fear are mortal
enemies, right?
Yes, there's so much fear goingon and all of us carry a bucket
.
One is a bucket of water.
Number two is a bucket ofgasoline.
It's easy and so easy and socommon for people to put
gasoline on a situation and makeit bigger what it is.
Yeah, when you practice aloha,you put water in a situation,
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right?
so go of confrontation I willmanage me, no matter how this
meeting goes.
And, by the way, I'm not hereto punish you, judge you,
condemn you.
I'm just here to love you.
I'm just here to connect, nomatter what.
Can we just kind of talk thisout, right?
Speaker 1 (20:46):
so we need to learn and get better at confronting,
communicating healthyconfrontation and I love that
you said the number one goal ofconfrontation is I'm going to
manage myself, which takes theextreme ownership of ahonui the
last a and aloha, but I wouldhave said resolution.
When I heard your question, whatis the number one goal of
confrontation?
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Is we have a problem?
There's a difference here.
How are we going to come to acommon resolution?
But it is resolution.
But before I can get to theresolution, I have to deal with
myself, which is what you said,and it's either I'm going to
pour the gas on it and make itreally bad, like I'll lay up in
my bed and just think about howI want to take out the
neighbor's dog because it'sbarking, to the point where I
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finally walk over there and I'mstarting to yell and say, brah,
your dog barks all night long.
I can't sleep.
And now I'm pouring that gas onthe fire and we've now
escalated into right.
And that's the game of war.
Is we're both going to escalate?
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Yeah, escalated into right, and that's the game of
war, is we're both going toescalate, yeah, so how do we?
live Aloha.
We have to prioritizeconnection over correction.
Wow, wow.
People want to correct, correct, correct and deal with the
issue and all of that, but ifthere's no connection, the issue
will always be there.
Right, because at the heart ofour problems is the problem of
our heart and if we cannotcontrol our heart to make
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connection the priority, we'renever going to see wow and
people said, but you know, oldschool, you got to correct them
and all of that.
And kelly boyd and have a goodtestimony and a video right
about his anger and all of that.
So what we have to do, I think,is we have to focus, make a
highest priority connectionbefore correction.
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Wow, and connection beforeperfection it's so good right
now, people want to perfecttheir kids, perfect their spouse
, perfect, perfect, perfect,perfect, perfect, perfect, and
we don't know that we're pushingthem away.
So we're creating distance, notconnection, absolutely.
And we want to correct, correct, correct, correct, correct, but
we're not connecting.
So how do you live, aloha?
Make connection, it's good, ournumber one priority, no matter
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what.
Wow, build that Case in point Iwas.
Well, we were.
Our neighborhood security watchwas honored at the state
Capitol a couple weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Congratulations, I saw it.
Nicely done to the whole team,right yeah?
Speaker 2 (23:04):
yeah.
And so you know, I was therereluctantly but I was obedient
to show up.
And what was amazing is thatwith a number of these
legislators, you know, I havestood against the policies that
they had recommended and votedfor fiercely, yeah, fiercely.
And sharing why this is notgood for our kids and our
community yeah.
Sharing why this is not goodfor our kids in our community,
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yeah.
But when we were there likethat, when we were honored that
day, 40, close to 50 legislatorsout there come up, they pass
out like, oh you representativeWhoa and I said you know what?
Wow, that's what I love aboutthe people in the place here
that we're not gonna have toagree on all these things and
we're gonna deal with the issueand the policy, but we're going
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to love each other so we're notgoing to act like the other 49
because we're the people in aplace of alarm.
Yeah, so that's how we dealwith things.
We deal with things in arespectful way, in a kind way,
in a way that we can look hequits together and olu olu right
you know we agree to disagree.
You know I heard what you said.
I I don't really understand.
I'm trying to understand butyou know, at the end of the day
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I get, I'm against this.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Yes, I'm against this Right.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
You know, love you, love you, thank you and the
family, and that's it, that'sreally it.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Huge.
Like you said, it's theconnection and then the
correction can come.
And what I extra appreciateabout you, Alan, is that you
even were very forthright and inthe front about this when you
said so-and-so senatorrepresentative, you know I'm
going to come hard against,let's say, sports gambling.
I'm going to come hard againstthis issue, but you know my
heart is with you.
I love you.
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At the end of the day, we'regoing to hug, we're going to be
one community, but on the issueof, let's say, sports gambling
or some of the other things thathave come up, I'm going to go
so hard, but it's about theissue, not about the person.
I am not against the person.
At the end of the day, we allget to be neighbors and friends.
Awesome job.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Yeah, I mean, I do that when I look at the bills.
Who introduced the bills?
Who's champion?
And if I ever, you know, I I domy best to reach out to them,
but especially if I have arelationship with them, right, a
courtesy, a personalprofessional, call a heads up.
I noticed that you're insupport of this.
I don't know, I don'tunderstand why.
I'm sure you got good reasons,but, FYI, I love you first of
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all, and that's what we have tocommunicate.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
I love you, right, I just so love you and that takes
the onus of the burden off ofthat person where it's like this
is a personal attack, and thenit puts it on the issue.
We're going to deal with theproblem.
It's not a problem.
The person is not the problem.
Yeah, I love that.
Okay, curveball Stock marketjust dropped the last two days
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thousands of points right.
Then I see Young Brothers israising their rates 20% and that
would be on every single thingthat's coming into the state of
Hawaii.
We also hear about a lot ofwars and the threats of wars.
We really look like we'reliving in the last days that
were predicted in the Bible andmany other places.
What would you say to anyonewho's watching this now, today,
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right in that seat where they'resitting?
That might need a word of hope,because things are getting
really tough in the state ofHawaii.
We know we have viewers inother places around the nation
and around the world.
What would you say to all of uswho are walking through some
desperate times?
How do we live?
Aloha?
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Yeah, if you're out there and you need hope to cope,
hope to float, there's one wayis Jesus Christ.
To be honest with you, put yourhope in Jesus, why?
Because he's the original MrAloha, so put your faith and
trust in him.
Number two remember who you are.
I don't know if you saw themovie the Lion King when Simba
lost his dad and Mufasa showedup in the water.
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It's my favorite.
Remember who you are.
In times like this, remember weare the people and the place of
Aloha.
That's good.
No matter how things go outthere, the only person you can
control on a good day isyourself.
So if you need help, jesusChrist is the way that you can
life, manage you, practice whatwe've been talking about.
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This end times thing comes up alot.
It has been With the economy,has been the economy, especially
with the economy, right, uh,wars, rumors of wars and so
forth and end times, end times,end times and so forth.
Let's talk about end times.
You know the scripture, joe 228.
We talked about this in thelast days god will pour out his
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spirit upon all flesh.
Come on, and people will beable to have dreams and visions
and prophesy.
That's so powerful because inthe end days, let's look for God
pouring out His Spirit upon allflesh.
Well, pastor, what do you needto have this Spirit?
You need flesh.
All you need.
Read the Bible, job 2.28.
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God will pour out His Spiritupon all flesh.
What's the qualification?
Flesh.28,.
God will pour out His Spiritupon all flesh.
What's the qualification?
Flesh, god.
There's a lot of flesh outthere right now.
So our natural needs God'ssuper and together we can go
supernatural.
Listen, in the end days, why bea natural person when you can
be a supernatural one?
Come on, that's what Elohim isall about.
Why have a normal marriage whenyou can have a supernatural
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marriage?
Yeah, you is all about.
Why have a normal marriage whenyou can have a supernatural
marriage?
yeah, why raise normal childrenwhen we can raise supernatural
let's go why do a a normal uhorganization?
we can have a supernatural.
Why go natural when we can gosupernatural, come on.
So god wants to pour out hisspirit upon all flesh in the
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days that we're living on, and Iwant to encourage you keep your
eyes on the Father.
I can tell you what your futureis going to look like.
Show me your daddy, I'll showyou your future.
Oh, we're going to go there.
Show me your daddy, I'll showyou your future, because God is
the God of the Lord.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Oh wow, God is in control of who?
Yes, sir, yes, come on.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
God is in control of.
Who is in control.
Let's not depend on thegovernment for provisions,
resource and protection, butlet's depend on the God the
great.
I am the alpha, the Omega, theGod that created this universe.
And let's be good stewards andask God for supernatural wisdom,
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supernatural provisions,supernatural steps moving
forward, and ask him to pour outyour soup on my natural so that
with you, I can be a people anda place of aloha.
Wow.
So all eyes on the Father forme in these days, I'm not
freaking out because God's loveis being perfected in me.
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I understand what's going on,but I'm not reading the stuff.
I mean, I look at that, but Ilook at the Father.
Amen, what the Father is doing.
So all eyes on the Father.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Yes, sir, I love that .
And you even mentioned the twomost powerful.
Uh well, the, the ultimatepowers on earth that we know is
love.
And then the opposite of loveis fear.
And you're either operatingunder love, and we are children
made in the image of God.
God is love.
So you're either operating inyour full power, optimal state,
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or you're operating in fear.
And, I'll be honest, it's realeasy for me to slip into the
doom scrolling, right.
I'm like, oh my gosh, 2,200points and stock futures and
this and that, but I'm supposedto set my face like a flint to
the cross and I'm supposed tokeep my eyes on Jesus because
he's working all things togetherfor good.
And I love how you said forgiveme, but I got to bring it back
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up you said, if God is pouringforth his spirit on all flesh I
got a lot of flesh right here,right, but it's making sure I
stay in the love lane, becausethe other lane is fear.
And when I start doing thatdoom scrolling or I start
looking at those heavy hittingheadlines and nuclear war and
preparation in Europe and China,taiwan, I mean my gosh, I could
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lose it real fast.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Yeah, and that's why, again, as you're talking, 1
John 4, 8 pops up for me thatperfect love casts out all fear.
Come on Right, there's no fearin love, there's no fear in love
.
The Bible says that.
And the same way that perfectlove can cast out fear, if we're
not careful, fear can cast outlove.
Yes, immediately, and that'swhat's happening.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Yes, and even to the strongest and the best of us who
are in our Bible daily.
And we start looking at thatother stuff and I'm like, oh my
gosh, oh my gosh.
I got to start prepping, I gotto start getting gold.
I got to start prepping, I gotto start getting gold.
I got to start and it's I justlet go of my Jesus, I just let
go of the love of the Lord, Ilet go of his hand and I've
started grabbing into the thingsof this world.
Is that not exactly whathappens to all of us on the
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daily, on the momentarily, onthe kinny popo?
Thank you for saying that,pastor.
So we are to live with hopebecause we have love and he
cannot be shaken.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
And what sets us apart from the world right.
We should be different.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
We are called to be a peculiar people, a holy nation,
a royal priesthood.
You're set apart.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Right.
So darkness is not the problemin the world.
Lack of light is, and that'swhat Elohim is.
Wow, elohim is light, elohim islife and Aloha is love.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Absolutely so.
That's a good word for us.
Now, I love when you'repreaching, pastor Allen.
I love when you drop good wordbecause it's so relevant and
it's so simple as a pimple, assome people like to say.
Now, who are your Aloha heroes?
Just to bring it up to thatlevel who do you look to when
you think about, when you'rehaving a bad day, how do you get
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yourself out of that funk?
Or who do you look up to asyour Aloha heroes?
Speaker 2 (32:34):
So many people.
We would have to take the nextcouple of years to point them
all out.
But top of mind.
Top of mind, gene Ward.
Representative Gene Ward.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Who, as of this filming just passed away, was it
two days ago.
Last week Friday?
Yeah, a few days.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
And why?
Because he personifies whatwe've been talking about.
He's a statesman Providingleadership for the greater good
of all people, regardless oftheir denomination, political
affiliation, ethnicity, economicstatus and so forth.
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He was an ambassador of Aloha.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
A pillar in our community, a champion for the
people.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Yeah, and another one is Tamalani.
No, I just gave her a buzz.
Sister Tamalani Just to remindher she was very instrumental in
the beginning days oftransforming Nanakuli.
Yes and so forth along withTukaiona.
So there's so many people.
I'm super grateful for allthose people that saw something
in me that I didn't see.
They saw potential in me that Ididn't see.
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You know, they saw potential inme, they believed in me, they
gave me platforms and just setme up for the people that I am
today.
But I thank my Lord and Savior,jesus Christ.
I thank my wife, mari, my kids,people like you that just see
the importance of the Spirit ofAllah.
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You're definitely one of myheroes Dawn, and that's why I'm
here today.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Thank you brother.
You get two Hilo girls Mari,your wife, and then your sister
from another mister who doesn'tlet you go, Thank you.
So, as we begin to bring this infor a landing, I got a couple,
just two last questions.
This is the Aloha Alive podcast.
By the way, thank you for myAloha card, which Pastor Alan
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and Duke Iona put out togetherand it's got on, as many of you
know.
On one side it's the side oflight.
I have the original, the OG,here, and it comes in this
little.
It has the A-L-O-H-A acrosticand then on one side it's the
side of darkness.
When you choose things likeunforgiving spirit, you're going
to get the fruit of that seed.
The fruit is disunity when I'munforgiving, and then the
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harvest is bitterness.
And let me tell you I don'tlike the dark side because I've
had the dark side.
But then there's the side oflight.
When I'm seeding forgivenessthat's the opposite of
unforgiveness I get the seed ofunity in my life, lo kahi, and
then the harvest of joy.
Thank you for this and we wantto seed into this seed that
you've been spreading.
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So we're going to give you thataloha later for more aloha
cards to be going out across thestate.
But what is your favorite partof our aloha culture, whether
it's a flavor, a smell.
Today I gave you the puainiKenilei and you, of course, love
that smell.
What's one thing you love aboutthat?
We celebrate in our Alohaculture.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
You know, if I had to summarize it in one word, it
would be Ohana, wow, familyright.
Good, I mean like thetheologian Lilo and Stitch right
.
Yes, nobody gets left behindwhen you look around families on
the beaches, families justloving together,
multi-generations, the kupunasright, the keiki.
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You know that, food and familyhere in the islands, food and
family, I just love that.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
What's your favorite food?
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Hawaiian food.
Where do you start?
You know all of it.
I love Hawaiian food.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Know right, the left side of the menu and the right
side.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Bring it, bring it all yeah, yeah, just local
people, local food that's good,ellen.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Last word, as you um, you know, I know you're out
there.
You've got to go from here tothe state capitol.
You've got a number of thingsyou're shaking and baking on.
You're also a pastor of nanaiKapono Protestant Church, which
is in Nanakuli, your hometown,where you grew up, born and bred
.
Last word you want to give thepeople, before you rip on out to
all the other things.
He's also part of the AlohaMinded, which puts out things
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like this.
So many different organizationsyou're part of.
You're also doing as you said.
You're walking the communitiesand doing neighborhood safety.
There's so many things, butwhat is one thing?
You want to leave the peoplewatching Aloha Alive podcast as
you go out.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
You know.
For all of you.
Again, thank you for tuning inand continue to stay connected.
Dawn and this message of Alohaagain, is one of the most
important things in the world.
Remember, we have theresponsibility to perpetuate the
values of this place Because ifnot you, then who?
If not now, then when?
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If not here, then where?
It's important for all of us tolokahi alaulima together,
because we are the people andthe place of aloha.
So, as we leave here together,again thank you for joining this
podcast.
Live Aloha, love Aloha, shareAloha, and as we do that, the
world will be a better placebecause of you.
(37:35):
So thank you for checking usout Until we meet again malama
pono a hui hou.
God bless.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Aloha.
Thank you, pastor Alan Cardenas.
And as our little cakey singingthe schools A-L-O-H-A, and
today you got the final A inAloha with Pastor Alan.
Thank you again, aloha.
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Aloha.
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