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August 19, 2024 45 mins

In this episode, Keith Wilson and John Morton are joined by Charles Herring, CTO of WitFoo, to delve into the intricacies of value frameworks and ROI calculators in the context of sales engineering. The discussion centers on how sales teams can effectively communicate the value of their products to potential customers by quantifying benefits and calculating return on investment (ROI).

Key Discussion Points:

  1. Introduction to Value Frameworks:

    • Definition and importance of value frameworks in sales.
    • How value frameworks help in articulating both qualitative and quantitative reasons for making a purchase.
  2. Understanding ROI Calculators:

    • The role of ROI calculators in pre-sales and post-sales scenarios.
    • How these calculators help customers understand the financial benefits of investing in a particular solution.
  3. Challenges in Selling Value:

    • The difficulty of connecting the value framework to customer needs.
    • The potential pitfalls of relying solely on ROI calculations, especially when dealing with different types of customers (e.g., government vs. commercial).
  4. Real-World Examples and Insights:

    • Charles shares insights from his experience in the military and cybersecurity, highlighting the importance of understanding the unit of work when calculating ROI.
    • Discussion on the hidden costs and risks that can impact the success of an ROI-based sales pitch.
  5. The Human Factor in ROI Calculations:

    • The impact of organizational changes on staff morale and retention.
    • How qualitative factors like user experience and operational efficiency play into the overall value proposition.


If you enjoyed this discussion or want to dive deeper into the topics of value frameworks and ROI calculators, be sure to check out our previous episodes. Subscribe, like, and share our podcast to stay updated on future episodes!

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