Chatting: Rapture, Charlie Conspiracies, Jon’s News

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Speaker 1 (00:55):
Hello, and welcome to Alternatively Season one, episode fourteen. We
are unexpectedly here with you live. We were intending we
even we pre recorded an episode for tonight surprise surprise,
and John hasn't been on for a while, so but
we decided we decided to save the episode that we

(01:18):
pre recorded for tonight and put it out tomorrow night,
not behind a paywall. So tomorrow's episode is going to
be Liz playing Little Inferno and me chatting about conspiracy theories,
a bunch of different things, nine to eleven vaccines, kind
of some updates on my state of mind and thought
process on some things. And I apologize ahead of time

(01:39):
because I think there's going to be a little bit
of crossover. I don't remember everything I said in there,
but I think it might be some repetition and you're
going to get it out of order.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
He'll be hurt for.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
Me burning things anyway, And yeah, no, I'm and for
people who like to listen, I cannot guarantee that listening
to Liz playletter Little Inferno and me trying to talk
just hear burning sounds and then be like, yeah, that's true. Yeah,
distracted by the game. But we try to, like I
think it might be a little ASMRI, so it's up

(02:13):
to you what you want to do with it. You
probably want to watch it on Rumbler and won't be
on YouTube because of the flames. The flames and also
the vaccines nine to eleven vaccines, we hit a bunch
of the non YouTube things, so but yeah, it'll be
on It'll be an X. Yeah, it'll also be on X.

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So there's a couple options for you. Okay, Liz, you
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final installment coming out, so today should already be posted.
The final installment is up for my book. However, there's
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website is no longer up. But I have a website

(02:56):
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really good. You're going to see some old blog posts
of mine, from my old blog that I started in
twenty fourteen and did for like five years, out of coffee,
out of mind. We are importing everything over and I'll
start blogging again and probably posting random stuff. But if

(03:18):
you want those books, Planet Eyes and End of the
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(03:39):
and it's going to change little bit start. Yeah, it's
going to keep getting better. What had happened was John
and I were talking about closing down Conspiracy pill dot
com since the show hasn't been conspiracy pilled in a
long time, and closing down the shop because we were
losing money on it and the website in the shop,
we're like intertwined. And Variable was like, offer to build

(04:00):
us a new website, and I was like, no, no, no,
you should, just you should build one for like Liz
and her books, because we don't the show doesn't need
a website right now. It's not a thing we need.
But this makes it so that Liz can just have
a have a place for her stuff. So Mim and
I I was I was going to tell you go
follow her website. That's not how websites work. I think

(04:21):
he's implementing away. It's not available yet, but I think
he's implementing away to log in so you can like
track your reading progress, and especially like with he's some
really cool features built in. He's flooded some more that
are really good. So I'm just excited to see where
this is going. Me too, Me too, book market You
can bookmark a website, so bookmark. Yeah. And I think
we all know whose mothers took tail and all. I

(04:45):
think mine did when she had you.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
Musk's mom.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
Yeah, definitely, Yeah, Grinn says, hey, v pal, can we
get it on Kindle? That is a good question. I
will ask about him. I think he is trying to
figure out a way to do that. There's a lot
of different options, and he mentioned a couple of things
that might involve potentially. Yeah, so more to be announced

(05:12):
as I know things. And also I don't want to
make him have an aneuris and try to do too
many things I want, so we will we will look
at that everything all at once. Yes, all of the things.
Speaking of speaking of all of the things, we have
a variety of things to chat about. Tonight. The first
The first is obviously the rapture. We have to discuss

(05:33):
how the rapture didn't happen because I was surprised.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
Are you sure? Well, well we will.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
We will talk about the white conspiracy.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
Theory about that we were all just.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
We're all just, we're just all left behind. So the
first thing is going to be the rapture. The second
that we're going to spend the majority of the show
on is is various aspects of the Charlie Kirk situation.
I stumbled across a prophecy on YouTube that appeared to
be somebody who had predicted his death before it happened,

(06:08):
So I was very interested to look into that and
talk to you about it. And then a little bit
of conversation around the Jezebel article where they paid witches
to curse Charlie Kirk and his family just a couple
of days that was published just a couple of days
before his Murder's.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
Definitely what normal people do.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
Yeah, And I wanted to talk about that a little
bit because I've seen some people kind of wrestling with
the theology around that of like did they succeed? What
do we do with that? I think an overarching thing
I definitely want to talk about tonight is just kind
of what's happening in the spiritual world around this whole thing.
And then Sator had asked if we could go into

(06:55):
a bunch of the different conspiracy claims, and I don't
want to go into all of them, and I'll explain why,
but we will cover quite a few of the different
conspiracy things that have been brought up. Buddy says, what
she mean, didn't happen. I'm here, dudes, it happened where
he all at a raptured Did you even get raptured? Okay?

(07:22):
And then yeah, so so definitely covering a bunch of
different conspiracy points. But I'm sure there will be things
you wish I talked about that I won't, and I'll
tell you why, and then i'll do a little yes

(07:43):
victory lap of an This was all an elaborate plan
for Candas to see Regis, dudes, wasn't it. Probably? And
then John has some big news that I'll have some
implications for the channel, So we'll let him share his

(08:03):
big news and then talk through what that means for
kind of our channel scheduling and such moving forward, and.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
That'll be that'll be it, I think. But before we
dive into this, allegedly Candace is Catholic, right, yeah, yes,
Is she going to be like canonized as a as
a saint? Do we think.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
Unlikely? A saint of insanity? Maybe?

Speaker 2 (08:29):
Well, I mean, all right, never mind, I'm not going
to poke the bear too much. We can move on.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
But okay, you guys, okay, let's.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
So we love you Catholics.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
The Rapture, the Rapture. I we did an episode on
Overdose I think it was called Happy Rapture Prediction Season,
and we kind of went through the rapture prediction claims
and they come around every year on RAA was the
twenty second into the two twenty third, I believe, And
every single year on Rashashana TikTok goes viral with this

(09:08):
claim that it's going to be the rapture. And I
didn't realize until just the last couple of days exactly
how viral it had gone this year, because it reached
absolutely new heights this year with people who were really, really,
really convinced it was happening. Like there was one lady
I saw a real she had and this is actually
kind of sweet. She had bought a ton of Bibles

(09:30):
and like written personalized messages in the in like the
front page about of like if you find this and
you've been left behind, And that's like really sweet. And
I think that's the kind of thing where I have
no problem with somebody doing that if they if they're
not doing it because they believe it's a certain day,
but if they're just doing that so that it's there

(09:50):
in their house. Yes, my coworker, she's not a Questian.
She calls over to me, I think it's yesterday. She
was like, Liz, did you ever wonder if maybe Jesus
isn't coming back because the idea is spawned camping him
outside of Jrudisalm or whatever. I forget what she said.
They did have like in video games where you like
wait for somebody to despawn and then kill it. Oh,

(10:11):
even the rapture thing now the whole.

Speaker 3 (10:14):
Like Jesus, somebody posts ever thought Jesus has been trying
to come back since like the first year after he left,
but everyone keeps going it's.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
Today today started, Yeah, be pal agrees with me. Bibles
was actually sweet, Princes says grins, and I are gonna
get raptured into Bible study here in a minute. Thanks
for warning us, or else I would have been really concerned.
This is the best joke I saw of the whole
rapture discourse. This is from Hannah griff. My favorite conspiracy

(10:44):
theory is that the rapture happened, but no one got taken,
so good so good.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
Wells at least Joel Webbin is still here in this.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
So there's pros and cons because he's also still with us.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
It's just true.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
Yeah, so it was. I thought it was really interesting
that it went so extremely viral this year. Yeah, And
I think one of the reasons it goes so viral
every year.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
Is that it's a meme.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
It's it's like a you guys all know the like
TikTok trends, where one person does the trend and then
everybody else does the trend, and by by the time
you know, a week passes, everybody from TikTok to Instagram
reels has done the trend. They've done the little dance,
they've put their little spin on it. And when something
like that comes back every year, it's always like the

(11:41):
nature of the algorithm, the nature of the trend, the
nature of everything is that it's going to get bigger
every year. You also say that, not just in trends,
but in like statements, like one person says something, but like, oh,
a cat that has fur that kind of looks like
it's separating a little has a garlic cloth fur, and
it means it's really healthy. And then everyone says that
with confidence. There's like basis for it as far as
I know, and like just people just repeat what they

(12:04):
see nothing.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
It's wild to me that the rapture could have happened.
Was it yesterday? It's wild that it could have happened
yesterday or in this last week whenever I was only
half paying attention to it. Abby said, like normal, because
I thought the world ended like thirteen years ago, right
back in twenty twelve.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
Yeah, so everything is it's all rapture from here, I think,
is what we're trying to say. What if the rapture happens,
but only after the clowns come back, the psycho clowns
that were chasing people's with remember twenty sixteen, I'm I'm waiting,
I'm waiting for the murder hornets to come back into
the timeline.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
What happened to the murder.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
Yes, I think so definitively.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
Yes, I mean he's he's what spiraled everything like to happen.
All COVID is the path that we went down.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
Yeah, that's I've heard this argument. Okay, later grins us.
There is a photo of George Bush with Harambe's mom
and it's like deep, just the rabbit. Oh so, yes,
the kid that Harama got killed because of Have we
thought about throwing him into a volcano to set the Yeah?

Speaker 2 (13:23):
Where is he now? We need to do and like,
I don't know about an entire episode, but like dedicate
a segment of an episode to where is he now? Hmmm.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
I feel like that'd be a violation of privacy, but
he's probably in the witness Protection program as he should.
He should I did. The last thing I want to
say about the rapture stuff is that I think that
the function, like I understand why, algorithm, algorithmically this happens.
I'm not trying to say that like it only got
this big because it's significant or whatever, But I think

(13:55):
the function of it is to make the the already
debated doctrine of the rapture look really really stupid. Yeah,
and to make Christians in general look really really stupid.
And the scale at which the rapture, the doctrine of

(14:18):
the rapture looked really really stupid, kind of makes me
circle back around to, Oh, this is what's happening. It's
gonna be completely like. It convinces me because I've been
on the fence about whether or not I believed in
the Rapture, but now I'm like, no. The the the operation,
to the massive operation to discredit the doctrine of the

(14:39):
rapture and to make it into a mean, to make
it into a joke, makes me think it's real. And
but I also think that it's probably not going to
be the way that we've conceived of it. In like
the left Behind movies with the with the clothes being
left by. I think, probably we're just gonna drop dead
and they're gonna come up with a different explanation as
to why we dropped dead. That's kind of what I think.

(15:02):
But be that as it may, and I still I
did that episode on Jewish Feasts as prophecy. It kind
of made the argument for why there's a I think
there's a really good biblical argument that the Rapture when
it comes in whatever format it comes, will be on rashashana.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
But all the hype is every year is give it like.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
One or two more years, and everyone will be so
over rapture discourse. No one won't believe it anymore. Not
a single person won't believe it anymore. And I think
already it's such a meme that the vast majority of
the people who are pushing it don't believe it. They
just they just do this every year because it gets
tons and tons of views, because everybody else is talking
about everybody else is doing the trend. Technically, even if
you've guessed, well, you didn't technically know the day or

(15:48):
the hour. You were just very confident about it knowledge.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
You weren't like, you know, you know what, you know
what the raptor is going to happen sometime between now
and infinite, So it can't happen now that No, what
have you done? I knew it.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
I guess he was like man, I for sure thought
y'all were getting beamed up yesterday. It's actually I would
have I would have been much more likely to believe
it was going to be this raw shishana, or like
much more suspicious it was going to be this year
if it hadn't been for what happened with Charlie and
the like, hint at the revival that may be coming
an amount of gospel this beach. Sure, thank you so much.

(16:33):
Variable for the gifted subscription.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
Yes, great subscribing.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
Ooh buddy, got it. You must have done several Yeah.
I will say my theory, which I think I've mentioned
on here before, when when Abraham is talking to God
about law in Saudimigamore and he's like, would you save
the city for fifty? Would you save the city for forty?
And he gets all the way down to like five,
I think it is My theory is that the raptor
what happened when there's only like five people to be raptured?

(17:02):
Oh where did Ernie go? Or like that percentage of
like the percentage that five was to Sodom and gomore,
that percentage to the world of like not not a
huge number of people. Basically, yeah, that's fair. The other
thing that I saw theologically that I had never been
taught before because I've been going through the Schofield Study
Bible and the Scofild Study notes, which which are controversial.

(17:25):
They are controversial, But what he says in the notes,
and and Schofield wasn't the only person who worked on
that Bible. He was the editor in charge, but like
Dallas Theological Seminary was heavily involved, like a lot of
theologians of that time was ahead of this.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
Kind of like how King James commissioned the Bible, like
he didn't actually work well, I mean Schofield did work
out yet.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
Yeah, he was in charge and he I think he
wrote like the draft or whatever, but he had a
ton of collaborators and a ton of people he worked
with on it, so he wasn't just like talking like
his opinion. It was heavily respected for many many years.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
But it was more than Andrew Tate. Yes.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
But the thing he said that I had never seen
before was that when Enoch is taken up, like he's
walking with God and God just takes him, yeah, and
he's just nowhere to be found. It's not that he
leaves his clothes behind or a body, he's just never
found again. That that Schoolfield claims is a prefiguration of

(18:29):
the believers being taken out before things get bad. And
then after Enoch has taken out, things do get bad,
and it's not immediately that we get to the flood,
but then things heat up really badly in the world.
We get to the flood, and then Noah is in
his family. Very small amount of people are saved through
the flood in an arc, and he claims that that

(18:53):
is the prefiguration of the Jewish remnant, who are going
to come to Jesus and be saved through the tribulation. Ooh,
so I like it. That is really interesting. I think
it's there's a pretty strong argument for it in the
cross surferences that he show does in the Schofield notes.
And I'm not here to like explain that I'll do

(19:13):
right now, but I liked it, and it's something I'm
going to consider continue considering. So that is all that
I have to say.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
But I've also heard of a brand new alternatively theory
on the rapture v. Powell. In the comments section here,
he subscribes to paying tribulation as in it will all
pan out or she I don't yeah, she my bad

(19:41):
hand tribulation.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
It will all pan out. I love that. I love that. Okay,
moving on, moving on from the rapture. That was like,
I don't really want to move on because everything else
until the end of the show is like, sad real quick.
Instead of saying you're on the fence about the rapture,
can you say you're in the closet about the rapture?
And I feel like it's better that way I was
with the shot. I guess I guess it was worth

(20:04):
his shot. Okay, okay. So the first thing I'm going
to do is show you the prophecy that I came
across because the read how do I how do I uh,
how do I introduce this? So this came across my
feet and the reason the algorithm gave it to me

(20:25):
is because of Charlie Charlie Kirk's murder. Was this posted
prior to or so this was posted three months ago?
Three months ago, but it's getting a huge amount of views,
and a lot of the comments are like, rip Charlie.
Who else got this video on their feet? After nine ten?

(20:46):
This guy posted this video and June later on and June,
Charlie Kirk was aske during an interview that when he dies,
how does he want to be remembered? And he said
for his faith, this is crazy. So there's a there.
It seemed when I first ran across this video seemed
like there was a prophecy here, and at least the
people in the comments believed that it was of Charlie's murder,

(21:08):
and that the algorithm believed that that it was related
and was picking up on that. People were connecting them. Yes, yeah,
like the algorithm was believing it because people were believing it.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
I guess, So I guess before you play whatever, this
is different in your mind than a lot of the
other people who make a bunch of claims and some
of them happen.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
Well, we're going to talk about it. We're gonna we're
going to talk about it because I don't necessarily think
it's different. We're going to watch the whole twenty two
minute No, we are not. But I want to show
you kind of things because this surprised me, how it
because I had an expectation going into it, and what
my expectation was was that he was going to throw

(21:55):
a lot of things at the wall and it was
sort of going to stick with regard to Charlie, and
that was why people were picking up on it. And
I was willing to consider that it was a real prophecy,
but it was like not what I thought at all,
So the title here is God showed me a beloved
leader falling prophetic word. When you hear falling, what do
you assume.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
Falling into sin or like out of good grace?

Speaker 1 (22:19):
Uh huh? Yeah, I mean I can only say with
my reference now like falling as and being felled. But
I don't know how it would have taken that without
the context, right exactly.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
Even still like after the death like I would still
more so associate it with somebody like falling out of
like good grace, with whichever church they are a part of.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
Uh huh that makes sense. Yeah, falling into sin? Yeah? Yeah.
When I first saw it, because of the context, I
did not catch that. But you will see he used
a correct word for what his prophecy specifically, so, but
the description I wanted to read you real quick. He says,
the Holy Spirit gave me a prophetic word from God

(23:06):
about a beloved leader attached to the presidency who will
be caught falling. Please take this word to the Lord
in prayer before running with it. Caught falling to me
does indicate more of the same thing of like cought
falling into sin?

Speaker 2 (23:17):
Right.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
I appreciate that he's not going This is one hundred
percent correct. Don't question me. I speak for the Lord
that he is encouraging you to take it to God.
I think that that's really good to give him that credit. Okay,
I'm going to play the first few seconds and then
we'll jump forward.

Speaker 4 (23:37):
Hey, y'all, this is Troy Black. So the Lord recently
gave me kind of some sad news. He gave me
a prophetic word of warning about a beloved leader. Yes,
I believe this is someone that's going to be liked
by the conservative Christian audience, and it's somebody that is
involved in politics and somehow attached to the presidency as well.
So I'm going to be sharing that message in a

(23:57):
little bit and I'm going to submit that word of
know alge you, and I'm gonna be sharing that along
with the prophetic word God gave me of encouragement and
also a loving appeal to some of those listening.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
Okay, so you can see how, at least in the
first few lines, anybody who only watched that much of
this video will be like, Yep, he's definitely talking about Charlie.
He's also pronouncing prophetic wrong. He's putting the emphastist on
the wrong salavel. So he goes on to plug his
friend's book, which is sweet of him. And then and

(24:29):
then this is kind of where he gets into cancer
the center of our world. That's why we married in
nurture life with me.

Speaker 4 (24:37):
I understand a little bit. I don't have to wait
and see, Okay.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
So he's kind of saying here as he leads into it,
He's like, I got I got these kind of specific
words from God, and then I got some impressions. And
so there's things I understand about this and some some
things I don't understand about this.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
So here we go.

Speaker 4 (24:55):
What comes? What comes of this? But I heard the
Lord say the State Department. And then he said clarifying
some issues from the past, and he said from past
presidential runs. And he said, bringing to light some of
the hidden shames and failures of our past leaders. And
the impression I got with our past leaders is God
is speaking from the perspective of those who would be listening, essentially.

(25:17):
And then he said, our friends, quote unquote friends coming
under a spotlight for the world to see. And then
I heard watch and see what comes next, because it
will be brutal to some and play on emotions for others,
and he said, a friend who let you down. And
then he said, you aren't going to like how this
plays out, how it wraps up. So this the Lord

(25:38):
is saying, the Holy Spaer of saying this is potentially
sad news. And he's talking to those who are listening
right now, I believe a Christian audience and potentially more
conservative audience in a lot of ways, and saying this
is not going to be a pretty picture. It's not
going to be something we like. Right But then I
heard this, the Lord said, But I'm working and capable

(25:59):
of bringing good out of evil even now, and he said,
and then he said, of rescuing the needy, even in
the presence of their captor with evil intentions. And then
I heard I will rescue them, says the Lord, and
bring them home again and bring them out of shame
and hiding so they can see the light. So the
Lord's talking about twofold here. He's talking about uncovering abuses

(26:21):
that have happened towards vulnerable people who have taken advantage
of and bringing justice to those who have been taken
advantage of. But he's also talking about the abuser as well,
and he's saying that he can redeem, yes, even the
darkest of those who are hiding in their shame and
hiding their sin from the light. Right now.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
Okay, So, just to be respectful of his content, I'm
not going to play anymore, but I'll tell you. I'll
tell you more, and you are welcome to you.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
He said that, so weird?

Speaker 1 (26:52):
Yeah, yeah, well, so the first thing I noticed was
that the word he's getting from the Lord, he's very
confident about it, and he's very humble about it, which
I appreciate, but it's also confused, Like I think that
he probably is hearing something in the spiritual raman, and
I think that he is reporting it in good faith,
but I don't think he's hearing very well, and I'm

(27:14):
not sure he's separating out God's voice from other voices potentially.
I'm not trying to accuse him of just listening to demons,
but I know how I've fallen into this too. I
know how messy the spiritual rama is. I know how
messy trying to say I heard this from God is so.
But you can see some kind of chaos in his reporting.

(27:36):
I think it also doesn't sound like the way God
speaks in all the prophecy I've read. Yeah, to be fair,
that was like written in Hebrew and then translated. But
that's that's a fair point. But what he kind of
what he goes on to say is that, And I

(27:59):
think you can kind of see how his desire for
what might be said might have been informing things, because
this was he wrote this three months ago. He specifically
references Epstein and Diddy. You can see even in the
clip I played for you, you can see he's talking
about like victims and God like rescuing them and exposing

(28:21):
their abusers and stuff like. You can see where his
mind is in this prophecy is about the Epstein list, right,
And basically what he goes on to prophesy is that
somebody in the Trump administration, somebody in that world, in
those politics, in the State Department, potentially because that was

(28:41):
the first thing he said, right, would be exposed as
being one of those abuses. That it would be somebody
we like, somebody well loved, and that we would not
like how that played out, but also that the victims
would be So he's not even talking about and dying
right now, right, He's not, He's not at all. He's

(29:03):
talking about a beloved conservative leader like Dan Bongino or something,
yeah falling or Candice Owens. What do we say, I
loved Now he's he seemed pretty clear on it being
male mal he's the male product. But what he did
specifically say is that that he felt pretty clear that

(29:26):
God had told him it wasn't Trump, yeah, someone connected,
but not him, and that he thought it would probably
come out within the next you know, a couple of months,
which has been three months, yeah, he said, But that
was like a lesser, kind of a slight impression as
opposed to more clearly, so he kind of left room
for like I appreciate this about like this is this
is the right way to report prophecy. If you believe

(29:47):
you have heard prophecy from God, this is the correct
way to report it with this humility and with an
actual timeline of like this is when I believe it
is going to be taking place, and like that that
it's falsifiable that you can be shown to be a
false prophet. So I do want to keep on my
eye on this guy, and I want to keep my
eye on this prophecy. I do not think at all

(30:09):
that this has been fulfilled with Charlie's murder, but it
would be interesting to see if it happened in some regard. Yeah,
but I was surprised because it seems like a lot
of people were pushing this in the algorithm as if
they believed it it was about Charlie. And it seems
like they couldn't possibly have believed it was about Charlie
unless they only watched the first ten seconds, right, and

(30:33):
unless does he no, he's more, well, yeah, he says
a lot more, but it's like along the lines of
what I just said, and then he gives like a
word of encouragement. Well, people have ten seconds attention spans, right,
so I think that they I think that they looked
at the thumbnail. I think they looked at the title,
and they think that they watched the first ten seconds,
And to be fair, that is all I did when
I clicked watch that I clicked save to my watch

(30:55):
later so that I could go back and remave it
for this episode. Or someone clipped those first ten seconds
and did like a TikTok real and then people are
looking at the original, So it's boosting that video. Yeah,
Sata says it's about John Bolton. Is John Bolton? Well loved?
Is he is he loved? It's a good, good question. Okay,

(31:16):
So I wanted to that's I wanted to do that. Okay. Next,
I wanted to talk about the witches. So yeah, the
New York Post did an article on this, Burnham. I'm
not going to read the article, but I just wanted
to point you to this, and the New York Post
links to the Jezebel article. So what the Jezebel article

(31:38):
was was a couple of days before Charlie's murder, they
published an article saying we paid some Etsy witches to
curse Charlie Kirk. I just the the headline where it
says Erica Kirk genuinely rattled after Jezebel paid witches on
Etsy to curse husband Charlie two days before its assassinated.
I would rather suspect she's rattled because her husband was

(31:59):
a fascinated No, no, she was rattled. So I mean,
fair point, but no. In the article, it's and talks
about how she she was rattled when she saw curse.
I mean, and and basically what the article goes into
is that when when she saw this, when she and
Charlie saw this, she got gathered a couple of friends

(32:22):
and prayed against it. And so this was what was
being kind of discussed around Twitter, is that do we
need to fear these things? Does a curse against us
and we don't know about it, do we need to
fear it? Does it have power over us?

Speaker 2 (32:37):
They didn't know about it before the before the death,
they did they did, Okay, yeah, because yeah, the first
thing that was coming to my mind was like al
Qaeda or isis or like taking advantage of somebody else's work.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
Oh yeah, yeah, like.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
He died and they're like, ah, we did it.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
Nor because they're in trouble, their potential in big trouble.
I suspect they knew the plan. That's that's my that's
what Sator posted. Well, Sata reposted my theory because I
didn't that first. Yeah wait, I thought I thought it
was somewhere here, but oh wait, that's it's because I

(33:19):
am on the it's because you are the wrong account
that I am not seeing it. Okay, Well, that doesn't
do more than on Twitter account. That doesn't help the
alternatively account. That's why I wasn't seeing staters because I
knew that on my account. Sator's comments showed up right away. Sorry, Sata,
I would have showed it if I wasn't on the
wrong acount. It's because she doesn't love you, that is it?

(33:41):
May Neil CON's love John Bolton. Okay, that's that's fair.
That's fair. Okay, Where was I right? So they Yes,
Jessebel published this two days before Charlie was murdered, and

(34:02):
then it went pretty viral afterward. But the Kirks did
know about it, and Erica Kirk had gathered together some
a couple friends and prayed against it. And I think
that that's that's the right thing to do. Like I
don't think that you. I don't think that these things
have power over us. I don't think that we need
to fear them. But I think that if we know
about them, we recognize that those are Joseph Stalin three says,

(34:29):
whatever happened to discord? I wasn't too active, but I
wanted to chat about the Charlie stuff. And notice it
was gone. It's not gone. We changed the image. I
don't know if you're just not noticing it because the
picture looks different. Oh yeah, but you still have I
think Rumblebot generally shares a discord link a couple times,
or you can go into the description. But yeah, it
is absolutely still up. It'll continue to be up fulle

(34:51):
unless something happens. And yeah, if you scroll up in
the chat, it's further up. Discord deletes us. What we
try to behave so that discord won't delete us.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
Yeah, but yeah, this quarter is definitely still up. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
Yepeople, Okay, so we don't have to fear we don't
have to fear curses from witches. But if we know
about a curse from which we I think we need
to understand that, like things happening in the spiritual realm,
are real, and if you know about it, pray against it.

(35:25):
And if you need to pray against it, God will
make you aware of it so that you can. It's
not going to be this big whatever.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
But do I.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
Think that they that that curse had anything to do
with him being murdered? No, no, Sata says, I'm sorry,
I got to serve of delated my bad friends. We
knew it was you not again, not again, good thing.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
We have a backup.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
We do still have a backup, right, I don't know,
we might not, still we could we should probably mental
note mental note to create a backup.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
Yeah, what was the worst thing? It happens like it,
It gets shut down and then we just create another one.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
I mean, if we had a clone backup, it would
be much easier to relaunch. But that's the only reason. Okay, okay,
let's not get lost on that. But I do think
the Jazebel's in really big trouble because if you can
show in cord that they believed they were doing something, yes,

(36:36):
and then you have literal damages to prove, and then
you show that something happened, I think that they could
be I think they could actually be sued for that,
at least for causing emotional damages if nothing else. I
think Erica could probably sue them for that, and I
think she probably should because that's a really ugly, gross
thing to take. It's about sending a message. Yeah yeah,

(37:01):
v Palses. I agree with things happening in the Spiltualung
because some of the reactions toward his death were straight demonic.
A lot of the reactions to his death were straight
demonic and from two different sides, and I think we
are all extremely aware of how demonic the Left's reaction.
Millions of people like liking thousands and thousands of videos

(37:23):
of celebrating his Every school teacher he made her ten
year olds watch the video of his assassination and told
him he deserved it.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
Yeah, yeah, that's jail time. So bad for that. Some
things were worship.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
That's just growth, that's actually he wants to Who's going
to force a child to watch a video of somebody dying?

Speaker 1 (37:41):
Repeat? Yeah, like very very very bad. That's actual predatory.
That was one of the worst ones. But there was
a lot of just people just generally celebrating, and there
were some that were like, Okay, why why stop there?
Why didn't you kill his entire family?

Speaker 2 (37:56):
Why?

Speaker 1 (37:57):
Like, I'm surprised we're not killing more people. You don't
off there, don't like kill all the Charlie Kirks. There
was a protester at the funeral or their protesters who
are holding up signs to the pregnant when people coming
into the funeral that they hope that babies died.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
Wow, these are despicable people. I've said it before and
I'll say it again. I'm becoming increasingly convinced that you
can either be a decent human being or you can
be a liberal. But you cannot be both. But something
I want to show you tonight is some of the
demonic stuff happening on the other side of the aisle
as well. In response to this, which from a conspiracy
theorist perspective, is I think more more interesting when evil people,

(38:35):
when people I already think are evil do even more
evil things. When people who are we already know support
killing babies in the womb, when they do more evil stuff, well, yeah,
you already supported killing the most vulnerable, defenseless, innocent human beings.
Of course they're going to support killing someone they didn't like.
I do find interesting that they don't support the death

(38:56):
penalty for actual murderers, but they do support the death
penalty for innocent fetuses. Correct, Okay, all right, So moving
on from the witches, there's been a lot of conspiracy stuff,

(39:19):
a conspiracy theory posting, viral stuff, conspiracy investigating going on
around Charlie's death. And it started the moment it happened.
It started the day the day after it happened. Candas
is the first one I saw doing it. Canas owens
Ian Carroll was the second one who jumped very quickly

(39:42):
into the fray, and.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
It turns the Jews immediately.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
Ian Carroll very explicitly said that it was Israel that
Israel shot itself, that they Charlie had stepped out of
line a little bit in his defensive ears, because Charlie
very defended Israel, and he had offered some criticisms, and
he had a relationship with Netanyahu, and even who said
like explicitly that Charlie has like given him some some

(40:11):
criticisms of like I love you guys, can you not
do that anymore? And stuff like that or like this
would make it easier for me to offend you kind
of stuff. Is the impression I got Yad didn't like
read out the letter or whatever and should pick up
a new and more improved tobby, like a better use
of his time, like smoking myth or panhandling. Pretty sure

(40:32):
he already well, he clearly smokes a lot of weed
hearing Ian Carroll does. I used to like Ian Carroll.
He used to do some really cool exposees on like
how I remember the I think the first time I
saw him was about how almost everything in the grocery
store is like oh, by the same companies. It was
really interesting work that he was doing. The guitar money

(40:53):
came through, and then he just and now he just
talks about one thing all the time, and it's Israel.
And I think this it seems that this happens to
so many people. And I talk about this a little
bit more on the episode that we're going to do
tomorrow night, so I don't get too much into it.
But there's a brain rot there, and there's really bad
fruit that comes out of it. And the bad fruit
that comes out of it is people who were picking

(41:16):
apart every aspect of Charlie's murder, trying to blame his
best friends, his staff, his wife, going into all these
crazy conspiracies. It was a literal furry right who could
not look more guilty instead of the kind of really obvious,
right in front of your face, obvious murderer. That completely

(41:37):
makes sense given all the rhetor give me in everything
we know, given even just the Covenant, Covenant, the Catholic school,
Yeah sounds right, Catholic schooled trans shooter that was Covenant Catholic.
I'm more crazy. But like we know this, We know
that the trans ideology, in particular, in the leftist ideology

(41:59):
in general, pushes really violent rhetoric about annunciation. Annunciation Covenant
was another one, yeah, just twenty twenty three. Yes, was
another transport another transpot, yes, okay, And there was one
in twenty nineteen the Stem High School Highlands Branch, which
was also a training So they should maybe stop shooting people.
It's my thought. V palses. Frank Turrek had to defend himself,

(42:19):
and that's what I want to start with. This is
actually the reason why I waited so long to do
this episode because I felt really like personally affected by
the Frank Turk part, but I couldn't say why before
Seth Dylan went public with his statement. So the day

(42:40):
it happened, I talked to Seth Dylan and he said
that Frank Turrek had called him from the hospital face
timed him covered in Charlie's blood and then the first
and so I knew how heavy that was, and I
was like, obviously it wasn't there, but it like you

(43:01):
kind of you hear something like that, you feel like
you were there, Like you feel like you were there
in it more. And Frank Turk is an incredible apologist.
He wrote a book Why I don't have the faith
to be an atheist? Or oh he wrote those. Yeah,
I'm probably miscoting the title, but he was one of
Charlie's best friends and his mentor to him, and the

(43:24):
first the first conspiracy theory I saw, and it went
very viral about this. I think it was like the
day after it happened, was somebody had a clip of
Frank standing a little bit behind into the right I believe,
of of where Charlie was sitting and he had his

(43:46):
phone out and you can see in the video he
kind of he kind of touches his nose in his
ear and his hat kind of does a little fidget
here said not real quick. Yeah, Jerry seventeen says there
are plenty of holes in the circle to deny that. Y'all,
are you losing credibility, Jerry, We're not here to discuss
conspiracy theories like that. So if yeah, we're happy to
lose credibility with you, and we're happy to see you

(44:08):
on the way out, we're not gonna pandle to you.
So yeah, I'm gonna you are welcome to continue listening,
But I am about to Actually I'm just gonna lead
with what I was going to like build up to,
which is that this stuff is so evil. Yeah, these
conspiracy theories that have been spread are so evil and

(44:28):
so cruel and so stupid and demonic. So you're welcome
to continue listening, but if you try to chat again,
we're going to ban you because I do not give
a fuck. Yeah, this is not the platform for that,
but not tonight. Just to be more blunt, if you

(44:52):
believe the conspiracies, people are saying you are crazy and insane. Yeah,
and yeah, m hm, where was I going? Okay, Frank
was on FaceTime with his children. That's why he was
That's how he had his camera out, and he was

(45:12):
like he was on camera. Okay, Uh, for you to
watch one of your closest friends get shot and killed,

(45:34):
you're a kid, you mentored to immediately v Pal just
got moded. I don't think I think that was an accident.
Oh no, good, anyway, I'll try to take care of that.
I gotta remember again. Oh no, sorry, v Pal. We'll
get you, We'll get you back. Frank was immediately rushed

(45:59):
to help try to help Charlie. Like I said, he
got he had Charlie's blood all over him. He was
with him in the car, rushing him to the hospital.
He is the one who reported and and Erica asked
him to that Charlie died immediately. It wasn't a super

(46:21):
apparent on the video for people who are on the
farther back video, it's pretty obvious from the close up
video if you watched up. Hope, he didn't that that
Charlie had died immediately, but his heart still was pumping
for a while, like the bullet severed his spine. So,

(46:43):
and we'll talk about that actually a little bit more
in a minute, because it's pretty cool is the wrong word,
but notable. But he didn't feel any pain at all,
but his heart still went for a while, and so
they were trying to save him, trying to see if

(47:04):
they could revive him. But Frank knew just from looking
at his face he was gone.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
I mean, as as far as emergency medical services go, generally,
like if if you're at an event like that, unless
it's like very obvious that he's dead, like his his
head's missing, they're gonna they're gonna try to They're gonna
try to work him. Yeah, Generally, nobody is pronounced dead

(47:29):
unless they're like very cold, stiff, decaying. Nobody's pronounced dead
until they get to the hospital.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
Yeah, so imagine, don't imagine too hard, but imagine being Frank. Yeah,
and going through that. And then the very next day,
Twitter's like, oh, he touched his nose, he touched his ear,
he touched his hat. He was signaling, he was signaling
for them to kill Charlie, and immediately blaming you for
your best friend's death. This is the first time I'm

(48:01):
in my life that I have realized that there is
something to it, that conspiracy theories can be incredibly disrespectful,
and more than disrespectful, can be incredibly cool. And there
is there's a line. There's nothing wrong with asking questions,
there's nothing wrong with joining in the investigation, with wanting

(48:23):
to find the truth. And I've said many times I
don't think it's disrespectful to want to get to the
bottom of who hurts somebody. But when before the investigation
is done, before you have it's one thing to say, look,
we have all the puzzle pieces, We've been given a
narrative and it doesn't add up, and there's holes and
I want to understand why, and I think we should

(48:44):
investigate further. Or if you know that the investigation is
going one direction with a case and the direction doesn't
make sense at all. It doesn't yeah like some name
doesn't lene up here whatever, I can understand why, especially
if I think, like, for example, the Francis Scott Key
bridge situation. I think that like people watched that video

(49:07):
and they were like, wait, how can a bridge fall
like that? And so there was some conspiracy thinking around
there where I think that there was already a distrust
with with Biden's government, and there was like, well, what
if this was a cyber attack from China? Would they
tell us the truth about it? And so there was
like kind of that reasonable doubt, and I think that
I would defend to a point I would continue to

(49:30):
I did defend and would continue to defend to a point.
Conspiracy thinking around that. I will just interject real quick,
I think there's a difference and be like, hey, like
the bridge thing doesn't make sense. Is it possible for
like to start asking questions does a bridge fall like that?
What are the conditions? Instead of being like, oh, I
watched this bad thing happen, I'm going to assume someone's
murder instead of asking what was he doing on his
stoy right right? Instead of being like he was on

(49:52):
his pune because he was doing a swazy when you
try to Yeah, when you're not actually asking questions, you've
got a predetermined idea in your head, and when somebody
tells you the truth, you don't care. And that's what
I watched happening with that poster, because what happened was
that poster was like, why was this guy signaling? And
Seth was like, that's Frank Turk, that's one of his
closest friends, and immediately defended him, and a lot of

(50:15):
people defended Frank. Yeah, and the poster didn't care. The
post didn't care at all. They just run away with it.

Speaker 4 (50:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
Yeah, because it has they're not actually interested in the truth.
They're interested in their own self and grandizement. They're interested
in the way that they feel when they have secret knowledge.
And there's something really really ugly and demonic about this
sort of conspiracy thinking. And I and I'm sorry because
I know that you guys know me as this person

(50:44):
conspiracy oriented. It's conspiracy oriented and gave you conspiracy theories
for years and will continue to and ran a show
called Conspiracy Pilled for three years. And so if I
apologize that, you're now hearing me say, conspiracy theorist thinking
is demonic because it there's a line somewhere and I

(51:05):
don't know how to divide out the terms. And right
now I'm struggling with like maybe conspiracy theorists, like conspiracy
thinking or whatever whatever it is that like I need
to have the secret knowledge, I need to whatever, I
need to get the clicks, like variable says, the engagement
pays the clicks are more important than the truth. That

(51:27):
that whatever that is, whatever label you want to put
on that that's demonic. And that is why we're called
alternatively now because I started to see the toxicity in this,
but I until this moment, until this situation, I didn't
I didn't see it as fully. And now I'm like,
I never want to be thought of as conspiracy theorist again,
because this is what this is. If this is what

(51:48):
we are, if this is what conspiracy theorists are, then
I then I am I'm done.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
And I but yeah, we kind of not not particularly,
but we kind of fell into that camp mostly because
we analyze different situations and events that have happened and
just try to use critical thinking and like question like
the official narrative, like does official narrative make sense. Do
some of the theories that other people come up with

(52:13):
do they make sense? And we weren't subscribing to every theory.
We in fact talked against many of them.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
Yeah. Yeah, but Bun said it, Yeah, She's like, now
there are good conspiracies true, and there are bad conspiracies
not based in truth or evidence.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
Yes, yes, so I think.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
Right now I wish there was a better terminology for it.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
Because critical thinkers, because.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
Right now what it's generally being called by normies is
conspiracy thinking, not the conspiracy theory itself, but kind of
that state of mind that is constantly looking for any
other solution but the obvious one, kind of approaching with
everyone's lying to me all the time, right or I

(52:59):
have to I have to dig I think that there's
that's kind of somewhere where the line is, like it's
like between investigating and conspiracy thing or whatever label you
want to put on it, and I am struggling with
with what label to put them. Well, we can move
on from that. But I did want to say thank you,
thank you Jerry for for how you responded, and I

(53:21):
apologize if I was too harsh. We were definitely little harsh.
This is very emotional.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
I thought you just doxed them, and then I realized
that was the use.

Speaker 1 (53:29):
We know where you live, and I'm just kidding, Okay,
so let me get on. So people did not let
go of the Frank Turk thing, and in fact I
it fantastasized past Twitter where it started into Instagram, and
I saw real on Instagram where another friend of Frank's
was defending him and saying how much he loved Charlie

(53:50):
and how good of a man he was, and how
absolutely not it was Alicia Childers, and I looked in
the comment section. I shouldn't have, but I looked in
the comment section, and so many people were like, but
you just betray Jesus. Just because he was a friend
doesn't mean he didn't betray him, And it was so
it's so ugly friend, that's the whole point. Yeah he was. Yeah,

(54:13):
I mean, betrayal is certainly possible, But how ugly does
your mind have to be to be so set on
this thing, even when you're corrected, even when you're told
who this man is, you can't let it go. And
to me, it gives an idea of like you have
no conception of close friendship. If you think that someone
like that, it's just automatically the suspect suspect, right, And

(54:35):
that's that's the like. I think one thing that's been
pointed out with regard to the leftist reaction and this
is that I think a lot of people do not
realize that that they're not watching a movie. You're not
watching it who done it? You're not watching a movie
where the bad character you don't like died. And I
think a lot of people are responding as if with

(54:58):
that kind of disconnect where they don't actually recognize that
Charlie Kirk was a human being, and they don't recognize
it Frank Kirk was a human being. They're they're responding like, Oh,
I'm watching at who done it? And and it's probably
the person you least expect. It's probably going to be
the best friend, is probably going to be the wife,
it's probably going to be the butler or whatever. We've
watched too many movies, right, and and and there's this

(55:22):
I think it was it was a shoe on head
that pointed this out, that that people are just completely
disconnected with the with the humanity of these things, and
that it counts for some, not all, but some of
the demonic reaction and the inhuman reaction. I have a
friend who is upset that Charlie Kirk died because it

(55:43):
hurts her movement. She was trying to like trying to
prove that I was a hypocrity. Was like, what about
Massa Hortman? And I was like, Messa Hortman was also
it was rounda killer, especially if she wasn't saved. And
I was like, and you celebrated Luigi MAGGIONI.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
Yeah, funny story. As as I was putting my kid
to bed, I was acting as him, like saying good
night to to Abby this afternoon and said good night
Asta Luigi MANGIONI. Very funny in my mind. With these

(56:26):
people like it, it's already their train of thought that
the entire system is just too corrupt, it's so evil.
They're not going to be surprised if when, uh, the
investigation comes back to yeah, this kid did it and
it wasn't some secret organization plot of Kirk's best friends

(56:47):
to kill him.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
Yeah. Sata says she was the first leftist that I
saw that didn't celebrate and react like a monster in
real life. Oh like yes, she so she was complicated
because she's fiscally communist and socially pretty conservative to moderate.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
Yeah, I mean she's from Australia, is she not?

Speaker 4 (57:11):
No?

Speaker 2 (57:12):
For some reason, I thought.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
She was basically the same thing. Yeah, I think you're
sithinking of Sidney Watson. Okay, maybe you can't name your
child Sydney if they live in Australia. Right, it's like
naming a kid Virginia. It's just no one does that ever. Okay,
here are some more more claims.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
No, you're right, she's she's an American. I was wrong.
How dare I say that? From time to time to abby.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
So it seems like what happened is that Candice and
Ian Carroll led the charge, and then everybody became all
their little fans became desperate to poke holes in the
official narrative, which is not even an official narrative yet,

(58:07):
not really, because the investigation's not over. But be that
asn't made trying to do anything to discredit the actual
plain evidence that we have that Tyler Robinson did it,
whether or not he acted alone. As a different story, right,
Like Matt Walsh has been saying, Hey, I think that

(58:27):
I think that there's more to this. I think he
was probably connected to a terror cell. I think that
we should be really investigating the discord he was in.
Probably more people knew about this, probably people helped he.
He floated the idea that the texts between Tyler and
his lover Yeah true, were looked fake, that it had

(58:52):
been I think a lot of people were like, these
were faked by the FBI, and I saw that conspiracy
theory going around, But I think that Matt's idea of
it more correct. That it was like at the end
of Breaking Bad, which I haven't watched, I guess Walter
White and fakes a bunch of texts with his wife
to absolve her, like texts that would make it look
like she didn't know things that she definitely certainly knew.

(59:14):
And that was the theory kind of floated by Mountwash
that the room might definitely knew, and that the the
texts look fake because they are because they faked them
together to absolve the room. Main One person had an
interesting counterpoint of They're like a lot of people are
saying these sound fake, but having read a lot of
how like the in cells on read a talk and

(59:35):
this is how they talk this is how they talk.
And I think that like to those things can both
be true, right that it was faked by them, so
like that is how they talk, and uh, et cetera.
So I think that that is a decent line of like,
I think that that's not really the conspiracy thinking or
whatever issue thing I have. I think that that line

(59:58):
of investigation, that line of like, hey, I hope the investigators.
I hope the professionals, I hope at the FBI and
all these look in these directions, and we should put
a little pressure on them to make sure that they
look in these structures. I think that that's completely well,
well well within bounds, nothing wrong with it, not disrespectful,
et cetera. But this, this is what I'm showing you
right here, is extremely disrespectful. Her rings are GM. Good morning,

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I'll say GM, and JAB. We've reached a point where
these people are seem to be so desperate to call
into question the Tyler Robinson story then they will throw
anything at the wall to see if it will stick.
This presus Erica Kirk was wearing free Masonic rings and

(01:00:47):
it did get community noted, which is awesome. It says
a Masonic ring will contain the squaring compass with the
letter G. But those are not Masonic rings. Just because
it has a G doesn't it's an initial. Probably. Also,
regular Freemasonry doesn't have a women's chapter. There are offshoots

(01:01:09):
right under different names that do. But yeah, yeah, and
this other one on her middle finger seems to be
a class ring or seal of some sort, but it's
not free Masonic. Bunny says, I think it's a result
of left wing media propaganda rhetoric getting in the head
of an easily manipulated and honestly stupid person without a
moral compass. Absolutely, yeah, Like it's so it's mystifying to

(01:01:30):
me to watch people on the right running all this
interference for the left, because it's like, this is a
slam dunk. The left did this, and all of the
temperature turning up and all of the rhetoric and all
of the it's okay to punch fascists and it's okay
to kill fascists, and it's okay to see peoplere arming themselves, right,
all of this rhetoric, these are not somebody.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
Made the point.

Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
I wish I could remember who it was, because it
was really good. They don't call us. They don't kill
us because they think we're fascists. They call us fascists
so that they can kill us. I don't really look
that ring with the class room was probably Charlie's class ring.
Yeah I would, I would, I would think so, But

(01:02:14):
I don't know. So that is that is a speculation,
of course, not a malicious one. Not a malicious speculation. Yeah,
there's so much investigating that is well within bounds, and
I think most of it just comes down to your
heart in it, like are you actually seeking the truth?
Was it wrong for somebody to say, hey, this guy

(01:02:37):
did hand signals right before he got shot? Is what
is this? I think it's online? Yeah, I still think
that's a brutal thing for Frank to have seen. But
if that person was willing to be corrected immediately and
had either taken it down or said okay, you're right,
thank you for answering, instead of digging in and pushing
it more and more viral, I think that would have

(01:02:59):
been fine. Still on the line, Still on the line, though,
especially when something is so fresh. I think that there's
an extent to which we we want something to be
solved immediately right away, and we are worried that there's
there's a lack of trust in institutions, and I think
that that's fair of like if I don't if I'm

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not the.

Speaker 2 (01:03:20):
One who spots this thing on the tape, no.

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
I have to prove him so smart to the world
by being the first to catch it. It's just like
when journalists saw the Challenger explosion and then it turned
to people and we're like, how do you feel watching
your loved ones just blow love? I have this on
the story? Yeah, yeah, V passes or I wish people
apologize because that is horrible. Yeah, I think that there
should have been an apology. But I think that there's
a certain extent which, like let the investigation happen. It's

(01:03:44):
not that you can't participate, it's not that you can't care,
it's not that you can't ask questions, but like, before
we start poking holes in the narrative, can we like
at least let the narrative, like, let the truth out,
let the investigation happen. Let's like get all the on
the table. Because I think that some of the I
think a lot of the evidence that there is that

(01:04:05):
something's wrong with the narrative is that it's all chaos
people are. I think people vastly underestimate how much error
there is in journalism in general. I took journalism classes
in college. It wasn't my major, but I took some classes,
and one of the things that was really stressed was, like,
it is just well known in journalism that massive error

(01:04:29):
happens all the time, especially at a micro level, especially
at like a local paper level. And so sometimes what
it is not adding up in a story is that
a local paper reported one thing about the gun, and
then later on the FBI says a different thing about
the gun, or like something like that happens, and they're like,
it's not adding up, like, of course.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
Not well, and then that paper goes back and makes
a minor edit back in like page three, right.

Speaker 1 (01:04:56):
Right, But yeah, I think you have to be so
careful not to make two much out of things not
adding up in the first weeks of an investigation. Also,
life doesn't add up, death doesn't add up. Like a
lot of things just don't make sense. And it's not
because it's a conspiracy. It's just because something is just
awful and random and you can't really explain it. I

(01:05:17):
know that's not exactly the same thing as the.

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
Really you're you're just describing Harambe's death again.

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
I know, I just say I can't I can't shake
that one. I think there's a level of chaos. It's
always going to exist in a system, and you expect
sometimes you expect something to be like really perfect and tidy,
and sometimes it's like the the idea of a red herring,
the red herring fallacy, or a red herring and an investigation.

(01:05:43):
The idea is you have a dog that's sniffing out
and then a red herring is a herring that's rotting
like it's a rotting little fish. And the idea is
it even a professional sniffer dog. If you run that
rotting fish, that red herring across the path, the dog's
gonna get confused. And it's not because the red herring
had anything to do with the investigation. It's not. It's

(01:06:05):
just a stray signal. It's a yeah, so I need
to carry around red herring.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
I think you have to be careful in a debate
that you don't let somebody bring up a red herring idea,
and in an investigation that you don't get a hold
of a red herring and your dog loses the real
trail because of this really strong, fun, pungent flavor. Also
one thing, yeah, both. One thing people don't also realize

(01:06:33):
is that when people are doing an investigation, like trained professionals,
they are not telling you everything that they are doing
or seeing. They keep a lot of things private because
to protect the investigation. So being like, well they're not
explaining everything, well, no, that's how that works. That's like, right,
you're not in the need to know. It was incredible
to me how many people were like, these were the
cameras that were they need to release this footage, They

(01:06:56):
need to give us this. No, they we're not the investigator.
Is like the idea that like they are holding back
this footage from us and keeping secrets. He died on camera. Yeah,
like we kind of all saw it. Of course, of
course they're not going to release TPUs says high definition. Yeah,

(01:07:18):
camera footage of it happening. No, the bay, the people
who think that they are entitled to that footage, I'm like,
I'm sorry, this isn't a this isn't a game.

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
Well, the footage is out there, you just have to
look hard enough.

Speaker 1 (01:07:32):
The I mean, but it's from people's cameras. Tpusa's high
definition camera footage has not been released in the public
and never will be, but it is for sure been
released to law enforcement because they're not bumbling ID it's
most right, right. So, but one thing that was brought
up by some of the worst conspiracy I think it
was a reasonable question, but it was brought up by
really bad faith people in a really bad faith way

(01:07:54):
that Tpussay's staff immediately, immediately, as soon as Charlie was
taken away, took the esday cards out of of all
those cameras and kept them safe to protect them for evidence,
to protect them for evidence. And so I will refer

(01:08:15):
you at this point because several of the claims I'm
going to address are addressed more fully in Alex Clark's
episode with Andrew Andrew Covett cove the producer of Charlie's show,
and they addressed several things because they like Andrew was there,
he knew and she was like, why did they do that?

Speaker 4 (01:08:35):
What?

Speaker 1 (01:08:35):
Like what why did they take them out? Can they
answer for that? And the answer is a little bit
like it was probably the wrong thing to do. They
weren't immediately thinking, oh, this is a crime scene where
there's tom custody, like, that's just not their People don't
think clear headed in the middle of an emergency. They
just watched their white their wife, they just watched their

(01:08:56):
boss die in a really, really horrific way in front
of them, and they're thinking. Their thought process was, people
are evil. If we leave these in, somebody from the crowd,
because it's chaos, right, yeah, chaos. Somebody from the crowd
is going to get hold of this and publish it everywhere,
and it's going to be on the internet forever for
their children to see.

Speaker 2 (01:09:15):
So I don't know specifically, like how they how they
do things. Do they put the SD cards in? Do
they take them out in and out regularly, like when
they set up and take down my assumption for example,
bringing my fire i SQ experience into this. When there
is an emergency, people just pervert to the same thing

(01:09:38):
that they did, like going in going yeah routine. They
revert back to the routine if you enter the grocery
store or Low's or home depot and there's a big
fire or some emergency, rather than going to the closest exit,
which is appropriate. Ninety five to ninety nine percent of
people are going to try to leave through the main

(01:10:00):
front entrance that they walked in through. So if they're
in the routine of popping those sockers in and out,
I can absolutely see that, like this horrific thing happened,
and they're they're breaking down, yeah, or they're breaking this
to all their cameras and everything down.

Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
I've heard of also people like in a burning house,
just like packing a suitcase, right, like slowly doing their thing.
The people just do what makes sense to them in
the moment. Yeah, Jerry says, hit the crowd started stealing
the hats from the table. Of course, they was still
cameras and anything else. It's not nailed down, Yeah, one
hundred percent. They were trying to protect the evidence and
they didn't protect the so some people. Another claim was

(01:10:40):
that some people being the Jews, No, some people be well,
some people being I don't think so. I don't know
who to attribute each of these claims to because it
all kind of came in a mass, and a lot
of them were all like a non accounts that went viral,
and it's difficult for me to tell like what things
were pushed by Cannus and what things were pushed by
Ian Carroll what things were just kind of pushed by

(01:11:01):
their fans, were all kind of jumping on the bandwagon
of like.

Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
Kind of pushed the same thing.

Speaker 1 (01:11:07):
Yeah. Yeah, but I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
Pretty sure Ian's Candace's mouthpiece.

Speaker 1 (01:11:15):
They are very a lot of research for her show.
I think, yeah, before he got crazy, she well, they're
very connected. They're good friends. He did her, he ran
her show while she was on maternity leave. He has
done She's reported a lot of his investigation. Like, they're
very connected.

Speaker 2 (01:11:34):
So an echo chamber.

Speaker 1 (01:11:36):
Side note, I for the longest time was following him
on Instagram because his handles canceled Ian Carroll, so I
thought it was a hate account and Carroll and then
I was like, wait, no, this is actually just it's
actually okay. The next claim was that there wasn't an
exit wound or should have been an exit wound, And
then I think it was even Ian who was like,

(01:11:58):
I think that the thing that we think is the
Fritz wound is actually the exit when if the shot
came from a different angle and the FBI is lying
about where the shot came from, and anything to take
the heat off of Tyler Robinson and the obvious leftist
motivation defending it right.

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
I've certainly seen that circulating some of some of the
people that I've talked to. Their perspective was that who
knows what kind of what type of ammunition was used? Sure,
it was thirty op six, but what kind of round
was it? Was it lead? Was it steel? Like? Yeah,

(01:12:43):
because different different types of ammunition do different things, right.

Speaker 1 (01:12:48):
There's a lot of different There's a lot of people
who really confidently make a statement, ask a question, or
ask a question heavily implying something, and it's clear to
anyone who actually has a little bit of knowledge that
like their question is just coming out of sheer ignorance,
and if they asked it in good faith, it could
have been answered and we could have moved on. But

(01:13:10):
a lot of like there was one I said, it
was so stupid that Erica had posted some photo and
video from her with Charlie's body, and I think it
was some people thought it was weird personally, nothing I
would do, but I think that there was like a
reality of death thing because it's so public, already so

(01:13:31):
public already, so many people loved him. I completely support
her choice to do that, but people were like looking
at his hands and going, that doesn't look like that's
not real. That's not a real person.

Speaker 2 (01:13:43):
Like, have you have they never been around a dead person?

Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
Yeah? Have you never seen a dead body in your life?
Have you never seen an embalmed body with body makeup oncause,
because they embalmed the body and then it's super duper
white and doesn't look it looks awful, It doesn't look human,
and so they put a bunch of makeup on it
to make it look like him. Having seen a body
like ten minutes after the person died, they already don't

(01:14:06):
look person like, right, yeah, so yeah, yeah, what is
a conspiracy? Did he fake his death? And they have
a wax mannequin?

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
Like they've never been to an open casket funeral?

Speaker 1 (01:14:18):
Right right? The disconnect from reality is incredible. So back
to the the what how I believe it was Andrew
cof who conveyed this real quick.

Speaker 2 (01:14:31):
V Powell revert back to what I said earlier. We
don't they haven't released what type of sure it was
thirty op six. We don't know what kind of bullet
they use though, so.

Speaker 1 (01:14:44):
That hasn't been released.

Speaker 2 (01:14:45):
That has Like, once we find that out, we'll be
able to make better judgment about that, but until we know,
like different types of bullets behave differently.

Speaker 1 (01:14:59):
But I'll tell you what Andrew Corvet said to answer this,
because I think that in a lot of ways they're
right that at least with a majority of bullet it
could have like types of bullets it could have been
or what we think it might have been, should have
gone through him. And what Andrew says is like it

(01:15:19):
it was a miracle, yea protecting other people, right, So
what happened was it it went through his spine and
it was significantly slowed, like almost completely slowed by his spine,
but like it went in here and it stopped just
below the skin on the other side. So Jess barely
didn't go through. And Charlie was a very strong person.

(01:15:44):
He was a very big person. They said his heart
beat a really long time after even though he was dead,
because his heart was really strong. But what they also
said was his bone density was very strong, Like he's
just a very strong person, very healthy, and so in
like that's partial explanation, but I think the remainder that
is in some degree a miracle, I think is that

(01:16:07):
had it gone through him, it probably would have killed
somebody else, And I will refer you to because I've
been thinking about this a lot, the different Trump's attempted
assassination where somebody tried to kill Trump and it was
a miracle. He turned his head at the last moment,
and everybody says it was a miracle, as a miracle,
as a miracle, God spared Trump's life, but somebody died.

(01:16:30):
Somebody died because Trump didn't Trump turned his head, and
Corey Comparatore or Comptoire died. And with Charlie it was
the opposite. Charlie died and nobody else did. And I
think that's what Charlie would have wanted to Yes, it
certainly is. And I think that these two things are
worth comparing because they have a lot of similarities. They

(01:16:53):
both happened on camera, they both happened live. So I
I do think that, like there are times, and this
is something I'm thinking about, kind of across the board,
there are times where something doesn't add up, and it
shouldn't add up, and it doesn't mean that the proposed

(01:17:14):
conspiracy theory, whatever it is, is correct. Sometimes it is
that God did something there.

Speaker 2 (01:17:20):
The plagues on Egypt, they don't add up.

Speaker 1 (01:17:25):
Right, right, Like we forget the God intervenes when he
sees fit too for reasons that we may not. He
isn't always disclosed to us, right, And I think so
v Pal said, I kind of want you guys to
do a critical thinking stream and what questions we should
ask when we see something like this happen. I literally
don't know who to believe at this point. I think
one of the things you need to look at as

(01:17:46):
your starting point. I think what I rather than do
the stream you're asking for, which will be very general,
I think I want to continue to do these case
studies with you to like model in real time. Yeah,
and that way, I'm not just giving like this is
generally what you should do and then you don't know
how to apply it, but but do it and let

(01:18:06):
me know if this works for you. But I think
that something like wait a second, shouldn't the bull have
gone through him? Is a question that is like a
much farther down the line question if some of your
starting things don't make sense, and then you can start
to be like, wait, that didn't add up. Also, and
that didn't add up. But it's not a good starting

(01:18:27):
place when you already have such a clear motivation. You
already have a guy who like has already admitted to
doing it. His own father turned him in because his
own father, his own father turned him in knowing that
Trump commanded the death penalty. Yeah, like, no, dad is

(01:18:47):
doing that unless he is absolutely certain you.

Speaker 2 (01:18:50):
Know what else he turned down all of the reward money.

Speaker 1 (01:18:55):
Yeah, I mean that's that would be really good.

Speaker 2 (01:18:58):
I mean really talking about like a life a life
changing amount of money here.

Speaker 4 (01:19:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:19:03):
Yeah, you know he didn't do it for we Also,
is Trump still amandating the death penalty? I mean I
believe that just stands. It is possible that we will
see because the father turned him in, and if he
works well with police, potentially if there are other if
you turn yeah, if there's a terrorst cell that he

(01:19:26):
can help turn in, like, there may be a way
to plea bargain something down. But as it stands right now,
it's going to be the death penalty.

Speaker 2 (01:19:33):
I think generally when you're using critical thinking, like rather
than initially coming out with a judgment like, wait a
week to two weeks, as more of like actual facts
start to come out, right, And I.

Speaker 1 (01:19:45):
Think also be careful not to ask because questions. We
have a tendency to read something in without even realizing
we're doing it, of like they must have done this
because X, Y Z, And it's like, well, something might
look weird, So ask two several questions this thing, is
this thing weird? Did this thing happen? And then why
did they do this thing? Because I think a lot
of people have their predisposed notions of like, oh, this

(01:20:07):
looks wrong, therefore this means this, and right, you need
to question. You're there for uself as well.

Speaker 2 (01:20:11):
And people who are pushing narratives, like they ask questions
biased towards their narrative whatever they're trying to push, and
so like why didn't the bullet go through all the way? Obviously,
like there had to have been like some sort of conspiracy.

(01:20:34):
Who would have done the conspiracy? I'm just asking questions.

Speaker 1 (01:20:38):
Somebody some random account. It's not even from the United States.
I think it's from Pakistan. I think it's an Adam
media or a media or something that has pushed a
couple of these different ones. And one of the ones
he was pushing yesterday, I was the surgeon removed the
bullet before the optopsy. I'm like, yeah, that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:58):
Is forensics that when they're still trying to save his life.

Speaker 1 (01:21:03):
Yeah, that is what we do. Is this your first
on Earth? Western countries?

Speaker 3 (01:21:07):
Like I know that you're from like the third world,
but we don't need to leave the.

Speaker 2 (01:21:14):
Bullet which which country is he from? Is he from
one of the ones?

Speaker 1 (01:21:19):
They also need the bullet if they're going to do ballistics,
well the bullet.

Speaker 2 (01:21:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:21:24):
That also like a good example of like a leading
question that's not nefarious is have you ever seen your
neighbor bring in their groceries? Because the reason it's asked
is to make the person really go, I haven't. I
haven't even instead of being like, hey, I'm noticing this
weird thing where I've never seen my neighbor bring in
the groceries, have you. It's not a great example, but
like it's one of theo and some Sometimes the people

(01:21:47):
who are asking the questions oftentimes they already have a
narrative that they're pushing toward. In this case, the vast
majority of them are trying to switch it to Israel.
Did it as opposed? They don't like because they're so
obsessed with the Israel thing at this point that even
though they are ostensibly on the right. They don't want
this slam dunk thing against the left and against trans ideology.

(01:22:11):
They want to blame Israel, even though the left celebrated
when this happened and Israel mourned, And my friend was
falling for the gripper lie and she was like, you know,
that's like a right wing shooter. And I was like,
but you have thousands of liberals celebrating it. If they
are putting their stamp of approval on it, right, it

(01:22:33):
is like fully bipartisan right. And the evidence that it
was a like, I don't have to tell you because
Jimmy Kim will lie. Jimmy Kim will not lie. They
were like, oh, it's a white boy, so it must
must be a right winger. And he was from a
Maga family, so everyone knows you can never take a
different path than your parents. And then I guess the

(01:22:54):
other piece of evidence was that he did this is
like a weird triangulation. She talked about this in her video.
He dressed up as on Halloween as this meme really
old meme, and another version of that meme was Pepe
doing the meme, So they were instead of recognizing that
he was doing the original meme. They were like, he

(01:23:15):
dressed up as Pepe in this Pepe meme. Also, someone
pointed out he was around guns his entire life. He
only turned to gun violence when he became a liberal.
This is a it's a fair point. It's a fair point.

Speaker 2 (01:23:29):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:23:30):
Let me let me take a look and see. Somebody
claimed there wasn't enough blood. There was enough blood. I
think I don't think we need to go anywhere. Charlie
wasn't an elephant. He had a normal human amount of blood. Yeah,
it was. It was literally just people who had only

(01:23:51):
seen the one video that cut off and not like
the closer up video that didn't cut off.

Speaker 2 (01:23:56):
Who I've not seen, uh the video that's not cut off,
I guess. But I suspect as soon as that happens,
anybody security ems would have run up and like put
their hand on the entrance wound to stop the blood
from squirting out.

Speaker 1 (01:24:15):
Yeah, because they're trying to keep it in his body.
And the human body has about five liters of blood
and you're not gonna get all that out in two seconds, right,
even with adequate vacum.

Speaker 2 (01:24:24):
Today, Again, it's not a movie.

Speaker 1 (01:24:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
In fact, if nobody ran up and tried to cover
the wound to prevent the blood from squirting out. All
they should all just be fired. Yeah, yeah, that's like
EMS one oh one.

Speaker 1 (01:24:45):
Unrelated but related in my head side, not real quick.
Mike a guy who works with our bank, but he
doesn't work in there. He was telling us about how
his ho had a party and they had a golf
simulator and his friend hit the golf ball too hard
and it hit a lady in the face and he
went up to the woman who was like selling, and
he was like, can we plase have some ice because
she's been hitting the eye and it's really bad. And
she ignored them, and he kept asking and father she
was like, I'm only paid to drinks. What the heck?

Speaker 2 (01:25:09):
Okay, well thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:25:10):
Yeah, yeah, okay. Another whole family of conspiracies that were
pushed was the was the idea that that Charlie was
stepping out of line with his defense of Israel, and
that there was a ton of pressure from donors and
then and Yahoo had offered one hundred and fifty million

(01:25:31):
for him to get back on track. And there was
this meeting in the Hampton's where Bill Ackerman had cussed
him out and yelled at him for not canceling Tucker
from the from the event, from speaking at the event
because of Tucker's anti Semitic stuff, and that there was

(01:25:51):
this whole intervention at the Hampton's where Charlie felt coerced
or blackmailed and a lot of people were dragged into
this an accused of being at that meeting in the
Hampton's by Candice and this this whole thing went super
super viral, and the rebuttals, there were many of them.

(01:26:13):
There were many people who many testimonies, individual testimonies that
people were like, this didn't happen, or it didn't happen
the way that you were saying that happened. I was
there and Hampton this is what actually happened. I'm a
staff person. That's not how Charlie felt. And in fact,
Charlie was the one who called that meeting and invited
everyone who was there. Yeah, he called he called the

(01:26:38):
it was a retreat. He called it. Bill Lackerman hosted
it in the Hampton's. My friend Sat Dylan was there.
He's he's talked very publicly about it. He's also talked
to me privately about it. Nothing untoward. Charlie invited a
lot of different people to be there from with a
lot of different viewpoints on Israel, and it wasn't all

(01:26:58):
about Israel, but it was a lot of about Israel,
and he he just wanted to hear Charlie, wanted to
hear from a lot of different viewpoints and talk true
like yeah, he was just being Charlie. He wanted a
debate about it. He wanted to understand how people were
thinking and feeling. He wanted to talk about like, is
this the best way to defend this position or is
there a better way we can defend this position? Can
we not call people anti Semitic when it's not like

(01:27:21):
they don't deserve it? Reasoning and how it is right
and just general conversation. But Candice's lies about that went
far more viral than the truth. That's how it always
seems to go. So even though many people, like somewhere

(01:27:41):
between five and ten individual people like wrote were like
I was there, this is what happened, it didn't matter
as much. On the same podcast, at a referenced earlier
Alex Clark's podcast with Andrew Colvet, they talked specifically about
one hundred and fifty million from that in Yahou. And
Andrew specifically says there are many times when TPUSA has

(01:28:01):
been offered money by a foreign government of some sort
and they have always said no, they never take foreign money.
They have gone so far as to cancel a wire
after it was sent because they will never take foreign money.
So he was like, I am not aware of do
not believe that the one hundred and fifty million was
even on the table, was ever offered by Netan Yahoo.

(01:28:22):
But certainly Charlie didn't take it and would never have
taken it. But all of that is obfuscation, All of
that is confusion. It's a red herring because even if
it's true that there was a lot of pressure on
Charlie from donors, which Andrew did say, they did lose
one donor in particular that was frustrating that they that

(01:28:42):
they lost over the Tucker situation, and there were people
including Seth who were putting Usually it was very friendly
pressure on Charlie about about Tucker. I've if you look
at my replies to Charlie, you will see at least
a couple times where I was like, hey, why are
you doing this? I don't agree and I stand by that.

(01:29:05):
There was a lot of people who are like, why
are you inviting Tucker to speak? He's he's proven himself
to be dishonest, He's proven himself to be a bad person.
He like, why would you why would you pay to
put him up on a stage in front of a
bunch of impressionable young people, Like why would you amplify

(01:29:27):
his voice? You can like, there's nothing wrong with debating him.
And Charlie's position was always he valued the conversation so
much that he didn't want to shut off the conversation well,
because he believed in the truth so much. He believed
that even if you let the lies have a platform,
the truth will still win. And I think that there
I would I I still disagree with his his position

(01:29:50):
on it, but I respect it. I think it was
a difference in like, where do we draw the line
kind of a thing. I think the truth will still win,
but I think that there are plenty of people who
will still fall for the lie, because that's you know, yeah,
either yeah, And the people who fall for the lies
generally are going to be the people who want to Like,
at the end of the day, someone might fall for
something for a while but if they have an interest
in the truth, they're gonna get there. But ultimately, all

(01:30:16):
this stuff about like pressure from donors is reel blah
blah blah. It doesn't signify anything because the leftist killed
him and the evidence is so clear. The left even
even with the like oh why is this or oh,
I'm not sure if this adds up, like the evidence
is for it is so good. And I think that
one thing people don't realize, and this is Tivy Palace

(01:30:38):
question again, is a big stack of tiny little things.
I'm sorry, A bunch of tiny little things doesn't add
up to one piece of good evidence. If you have
really clear, good evidence, your whole stack of little like hi,
I wonder why the bull didn't go through, or Hi,
I wonder why the the employees took the cards out

(01:31:01):
like it doesn't really signify huh, Like oh a donor
dropped out like it doesn't And I think it's the
virality and the like. You just keep getting hit over
and over again with these little bullets, with these little
like you should question this, you should question this, You
should question this, and it kind of it wears people down,

(01:31:21):
but it shouldn't because the truth you get a focus
on like the thing that's like way stronger than all
these little things. Just because you can't think of a reason,
like with the st cards, just because you can't imagine
why someone would do that, doesn't mean there isn't a
good reason, right, And generally speaking, in these cases, you
should be like, this is his staff who loves him.
Like your first even if you're like, huh, that's weird,

(01:31:45):
your first question should be like, what's a good reason
why they might have done this? Is there a good reason?
And then and then if you can't think of a
good reason, or if you have enough other bad evidence
to be like, okay, now, it really looks like if
there was other, like really clear evidence that like maybe
staff did this, then them taking the SD cards out,
if they had then gone on to what corrupt the

(01:32:07):
files are? Oh no, we dropped it in water like
that kind of stuff starts to if they're refusing to
release it, right, if there's a footage of the staff
umber handing Tayler a gun. Right. But but again, like
with the SD cards, they went straight from the staff
members to the police. And at this point at least
we have no reason to believe they were tampered within anywhere,

(01:32:29):
or that there was even time for them to tamper
with and you can make like, oh, no, chain of custody.
But like if there's not any evidence that any footage
was cut out, which will be really obvious, Yeah, then.

Speaker 2 (01:32:44):
People they're claiming chain of custody, this that whatever, as
far as the legal aspect goes, No, there was no
government police officer chain of custody, but there had to
have been somebody who grabbed those, gather them all up,
probably locked them away somewhere. Sure there may not be

(01:33:06):
a log, there likely is a log, and so the
chain of custody would be fine.

Speaker 1 (01:33:12):
Yeah, and chain of custody is also I could be
talking out of my butt here, but it's a big
deal when it comes to something with fingerprints or DNA
on it, because along the way someone else touching it
could get their DNA on it. Chain of custody is
less of a big deal when it's something that's easily
proved that this hasn't been tampered with, because like, you're
not going to excellently leave your fingerprint on the actual
footage and be like, oh no, it's great, or if
you can prove say if the if the defense case

(01:33:35):
is so and so, and the police department has it
out from my client, they have this clear motive client
cheated with their wife or something like that. They have
this clear motive to want the client to go down,
and so they framed my client. And then if they
can then show that the key piece of evidence went
chain of custody through that person, yes, that makes more

(01:33:57):
sense why the chain of custody might matter as far
as like tampering. Tampering goes okay, what have the other ones?
I actually thought was really really funny, and I was
honestly kind of glad that it was that it was
floated because it was so good. Was that Adam Adam
I just want to call him at a mom or

(01:34:18):
something a Damn media or Adam media from Pakistan was like,
there's no way that they that tp U s A
could have could have put together the memorial in the
it in a week, such such a huge event. There's
no way they had to have been planning it beforehand.
That's like so a bunch of different people responded like

(01:34:41):
just because you live in the third world and you
can't imagine magic like this, you can't imagine the competence
of a Western civilization in a strong company who has
been putting events like this on for years, and this
is something like I think miraculous that I want to
get to because this is like a with Ruth real.

Speaker 2 (01:35:04):
Quick, real quick, I'm gonna interrupt you. I the other
week I saw some sort of clip real whichever, of
someone being blatantly racist to an Indian girl saying that
like her her parents back in India, like they had
animals in their house that would poop on the ground,
and she just thought it was a ridiculous idea, so
ridiculous because it's very racist. Right. She ends up calling

(01:35:28):
up her mom or her grandmother whichever, and asks like,
did we have farm animals in the house that would
poop on the floor, and they said yes, amazing. I'm
not saying all of them, but in this one case
that was the thing.

Speaker 3 (01:35:47):
Very well, says Master Toilets. Then you can lecture us
on a radio public events.

Speaker 1 (01:35:53):
So that was really funny. But it was pointed out
I think by like good faith people who were just
so pass with TPUSA that this is this is the
only organization in the country who could have pulled this off. Yeah,
I bet people just worked on the only the only conservative.

Speaker 2 (01:36:12):
No, no, I think the Bee or the Daily Wire
could have done it. You don't think so?

Speaker 1 (01:36:21):
The be the the biggest event the Bee has hosted
was like a the size of a wedding venue. Really, well,
they should do No one has to die for this,
but they should do the like a competition to be
in the Daily Wire to see if they can beat that.

Speaker 2 (01:36:36):
Fox could have done it.

Speaker 1 (01:36:38):
Fox might have been able to an organization that did.

Speaker 2 (01:36:41):
So.

Speaker 1 (01:36:42):
You realize this was State Farm Stadium and it was
full to capacity and people were still not able to
come in and they put it together in a week.
Most events of that size have like a full year
to plan.

Speaker 2 (01:36:56):
And well, I'm sure they also had quite a bit
of help from the stadium owner.

Speaker 1 (01:37:00):
Yeah, I imagine there were some exceptions made of like yeah, no,
they certainly had the connection. But that but that's that's
something that's unique about t b U s A. That
they had been they had been hosting Trump rallies, they
had they had all this experience hosting events of this size.

(01:37:21):
The Daily Wire's biggest event was at the Ryman Auditorium,
which is still a fraction of the size of a
stadium like that, So no I could I think I
think it. I think Seth from the Bee and Ben
whoever the CEO of the Daily Wire is now would

(01:37:42):
would tell you that they pulled it off. Did you
say conservative that rules out Fox? Good point varyable. I
also know that like I worked for a nonprofit that
organized events around We didn't organize the entire Army Navy Game,

(01:38:05):
but we we organized events like a group of people
that went to Army Navy game, and we would work
with the I say we as if I was very involved,
But we would work with the organizers of the Army
Navy Game, and those were planned a full year in advance.
We would be talking to the organizers of the event

(01:38:28):
and finding out how many sweets we could rent, like
the month after the previous year's Army Navy game. So
generally these events take a really long time. To put
things in a perspective, the Raman Auditorium has just under
three thousand capacity and the State From Auditorium has over
sixty thousand to seventy three thousands, and orders of magnitude bigger.

(01:38:51):
And then to have the type of connections that would
help them move heaven and Earth to do that to
bring in major Can you check the the cameras for
the kids real quick, John, Yeah, I don't hear anything. Yeah,
I probably didn't. I sometimes I have these auditory hallucinations

(01:39:15):
that are super fun, and I think I hear the
kids crying, and that's not remotely what's happening. I'm fine.
This is a very if you don't know, this is
a very normal thing for especially like newer moms to experience,
or like in the POSTPARTU mirror, to have auditory hallucinations
of that nature. Someone's gonna clip that be like Abby's

(01:39:36):
going inside Like I'm not hallucinatingy because I do drugs.
I hallucinate for other reason. I altered do drugs. Sorry,
I said, Ruth, Are there Esther Esther for such a
time of as this the the idea of God positioning
somebody in a place where they are the only one
who could have pulled something off. And I want to

(01:39:59):
say this really carefully and gently, but I do think
that TPUSA is the only organization. I'm not the only
one who said this. So I'm not just pulling this
out of my I'm trying to clean up my language.

Speaker 3 (01:40:13):
I don't want to.

Speaker 1 (01:40:16):
Work. Yeah, I'm not just pulling this out of my butt,
but yeah, TPUSA is probably the only conservative organization, uh
who could have pulled this off. And I think that
within the full context, Charlie is the only person who
could have been killed and had this level of impact
because the love his he was above reproach in in

(01:40:40):
so many ways, as far as like he has clips
of just sharing the gospel and sharing the gospel, sharing
the gospel, being so gentle with people for years and
years and years, people are going to continue to be
discussing Charlie and his legacy, and his legacy is so
good and so strong, so pro family. A lot of
people are coming to the Lord, a lot of people
are asking questions. And the Memorial people were already doing

(01:41:03):
that before the Memorial, massive spiritual movement in it, incredible direction.
But after the Memorial, like the gospel, Okay, Guineon's awake
but not crying. Okay, we can keep up, keep an
eye on it, keep an ear on it. Yeah, the

(01:41:24):
gospel is given over and over and over again at
at the Memorial. If you watched it, the worship service
that proceeded was several hours. It was like four hours
I want to say, three or four hours of worship,
and like people like Elon Musk sat through that whole
worship service and then all that presentation of the gospel,

(01:41:46):
Chris Tomlins saying Elon Musk supposed to a couple of
things that made me wonder if it's resonating with there's
a lot of people who are like seem like they're
right on the edge. So much gospel, so much truth,
so much worship. And then Erica Kirk got up and
forgave the killer and I have heard of people doing

(01:42:09):
this like I have till Yeah, I've heard of people
doing it, and oftentimes I've been like, okay, feels a
little performative, feels a little bit like you're just saying
that or whatever. But I remember I was like folding
laundry and I had I think Yasa was down to bed,
and I had Gideon out not quite in bed yet,

(01:42:32):
and I was finishing folding laundry up and I watched
her say it and.

Speaker 2 (01:42:39):
It was like a bomb went off.

Speaker 1 (01:42:42):
And later somebody who was it, Jared Monroe, said it
really well, and it like resonated with what I had
already felt, where he said, when you forgive someone like that.
It's like a nuclear bomb in the spiritual world, and
I felt like I felt the shockwave of it. I
think a lot of people did, where even like I've

(01:43:05):
had my beef with Cat Turn, but even people like
cat Tured were like, I am wrecked by this. I'm
questioning everything I have ever thought was true in my
life because of this moment, because it was so clear
that she didn't just say it, she wrestled with it,
and you could tell that she meant it. And I

(01:43:25):
think that that's so different from sometimes when you're like, Okay, hmm,
you got up there and you forgave the killer because
you think that that's what you're supposed to do or whatever.
I'm not trying to dismiss other people who have done this.
I just I feel like I've heard of other times
of this happening and not been remotely affected by the
way that I was when I actually saw it happened.
It wasn't the seeing it happened part. The one other

(01:43:47):
time I've been as moved is when the guy like
told the killer to come over and give him a hug.
I was like, Okay, you mean that, yeah, And then
he didn't immediately kill her what she was saying. But
and I think in terms of like a like a
galvanizing spiritual response, the people who were like mad at
Erica for forgiving him, you can really see the demonic

(01:44:09):
work of their like a demon's hate forgiveness, right, and
it was it's in all of this that I think
it's really I said this earlier and I'll say it again,
there's something really massive happening in the spiritual world right now,
and we should be praying for it. And I think
that it is it has the potential to be revival.

(01:44:30):
I think it probably is revival. I think that there's
a lot of people who are getting saved and taking
their faith in their politics seriously for the first time
ever and seeing how their faith informs their politics, because
I think the people. Thing that a lot of people
didn't realize about Charlie until now is that he wasn't
really killed for his politics. Yeah, he was killed for
the morality in his politics that was directly informed by

(01:44:53):
the Bible. He was he was killed for opposing trans ideality.
He was killed for opposing homosexuality, and he he was
pretty moderate on that too. Like there's a picture going
around of him, like posing with the Lady Maga, the
Maga drag queen. So he wasn't like I don't agree
that he should have done that, Like he was a

(01:45:15):
little too conservative, was a little too moderate. Oh yeah,
that's what I meant. Yeah, But but he was killed
for his faith. He was killed for his his moral
beliefs that came directly from his faith. Yeah, and and
genuinely killed by people who who hated him for that

(01:45:35):
in particular. And so it's really easy to understand why
the demonic that manifests in leftism and all of that
would be extremely angry that Charlie existed, extremely happy that
Charlie was killed, and extremely angry that Erica forgave the killer.
And you would think, you would think after Satan orchestrated

(01:45:59):
the death of the son of God and it backfides
so spendously learned a lesson, but it seems like not
really good at that. No full offense.

Speaker 2 (01:46:11):
Full offense.

Speaker 1 (01:46:12):
They hated him because they hate his God. Yeah, yes, buddy.
And so this is why I want to point out
how demonic these forces on the right are. On the
right who are trying to run interference for this, trying
to shift the blame anywhere from where it should be,

(01:46:32):
trying very desperately, desperately hard, throwing everything at the wall
to see what will stick, not apologizing for anything, bulldozing
through facts because they want so badly for it to
be Israel. But I think more so they are driven
by a demonic force that is trying very hard to
thwart what God's doing here that anyone, I think we

(01:46:55):
see it so clearly that like anyone on the left
who's trying to blame this on a groper or a
maga Republican is so gross and evil. But I think
we're not giving enough credence to like how gross and
evil that people on the right are trying to push
conspiracy theories to take the heat off where it belongs
to and to distract from from what God's doing. And

(01:47:17):
so I think that God is doing something massive and big,
and we should.

Speaker 2 (01:47:20):
Pray for it.

Speaker 1 (01:47:20):
We should pray very hard for it. Yes, I think
we all feel it. And at the same time, I
think that Satan is working incredibly hard to undermine infiltrate
what God is doing. And I worry that I already
see some of the wroth that's going to spread and
compromise some of it. Well, my pastor just preached last

(01:47:45):
week on the so er parable of Satan attends every
church service. He wants to be right there to snatch
the word right after it's been a planet. And we
see this where we see a lot of seeds and
then some are going to take root and they're going
to grow really fast, really short, and die because the
soils really shall and you're going to see people who
the seed falls and then it gets choked out by weeds.
But you're going to see people who the seed falls

(01:48:05):
and the barefoot of harvest. It just means that, like
we're going to see in the long run, how many
lives would changed by this. And I the idea that
Satan only works in the left is a massive mistake,
and I think it's it's we on the right have
believed this for too long and become really really vulnerable
to Satan working on our side, infiltrating on our side.

(01:48:27):
And so this is something that I'm praying a ton about.
I hope you guys pray a ton about that the
Gospel prevails, that the truth prevails, and I think that
it will. I think that it's more powerful and it's
just a matter of like in what time, like will
the how long will the lies rule before the truth
comes out? Do we have to wait until the end
of the tribulation? Are we in that stage of history

(01:48:48):
where the anti Semitic conspiracy theories are going to mount
to mount to mountain? Tell the things that are prophesied
about the entire world turning against Israel and overrunning it
and all of this stuff until the the great last battle,
the great Arma get it and where God finally steps
in and goes, Nope, uh, too bad that you guys
all want to destroy her.

Speaker 2 (01:49:07):
She's mine.

Speaker 1 (01:49:08):
And it seems like even if they get turned around now,
it's going to happen eventually at some point where the
whole world turns against so Nat. But I'm very curious
to see, like are we able to turn it back
into tracks now? Do we actually get revival now? Or
are we going to see this turn in a dark way?
And either way God is in control. Yeah. So that's
all that I had to say about that, and we'll

(01:49:28):
continue to talk about like if some of the ballistic
stuff comes out more, if any of you want to
reach out to me with something that's troubling you as
far as some because conspiracy theories are going to continue
to come, like, we're not going to have any shortage
of them. So if you want me to address more
of them, absolutely.

Speaker 4 (01:49:45):
But.

Speaker 1 (01:49:48):
Let's see how about how about this, how about we
do Liz, Will you pray for us really quick to
kind of wrap that portion and then we will get
into personal life updates and announcements. Lord Jesus, thank you
for allowing us to come together and discuss this. I
ask that you help us to seek the truth, to
find the truth, to know the right questions to ask,
to no critical thinking, and to not be confused by

(01:50:10):
lies going around. But more importantly, Lord, I asked that
the gospel that Charlie spread continues to spread even more,
just out of control like a runaway train. That the
devil will so regret Charlie being martyred. That you know,
hundreds of hopefully hundreds of thousands of people will be
saying because of this, And I ask that you help

(01:50:31):
everyone to be strengthened in their faith and in this community.
Help people to be encouraged to model what Charlie did,
to to witness to people, and to treat people with
kindness and respect. And I asked that you just guard
our hearts and minds today prayer, listen, jess nay amen.
I have to say one more thing for but only
one more thing. So in in Revelation eleven, it talks

(01:50:55):
Romans eleven. It talks about how God gave like gave
up on the Jews for a period of time, brought
the Gospel to the Gentiles so as to make Israel jealous.
And right now in the Charlie situation, one unique aspect
is that Israel is heavily implicated in the not implicating

(01:51:21):
is definitely the wrong word. Heavily involved in the conversation
because of Candace, because of the conspiracy theories, and so
they're brought in to a level of attention that they
might not otherwise have had, although I think would have
had a lot of this attention because they loved him
so much, because he defended them. Murals were painted in
Tel Aviv like Israel mourned Charlie. But especially the conspiracy

(01:51:48):
theories that Candace has spread has engaged them on an
even deeper level for longer, I think, with the with
the new cycle, and in this new cycle, over and over,
the Gospels being preached and people are coming to Jesus
and yeah, I forgave, and a Messianic Jewish rabbi posted

(01:52:09):
He's like, guys, we're here, We're at We're at the
stage where the jealousy is happening. Like this is where
you start to see is reel get jealous And I
think it's really cool. I think this is a really
cool moment. I also there was that video of the
girl who was like and the best part is like
he wasn't even that like big of a person, Like
he's not even a martyr, like his death won't mean nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:52:31):
And it was like you this, like it's not just
American Israel, Like there's so many countries across the world
where people are mourning his death. Great, they're spreading the gospel.

Speaker 1 (01:52:45):
Okay, John, you have the floor.

Speaker 2 (01:52:47):
All right. Well, I don't even know how to begin this.
A few months back, as we were very early on
into paying off our debt from the hospital the hospital bill,

(01:53:08):
the hospital stay, the two week Nikki stay. We uh
it was probably closer between the NICKU and the hospital stay,
it's more like three weeks. It was very expensive. I
had good insurance so we don't have to pay most
of it, but we still have to have to pay
a significant amount out of out of pocket. I was

(01:53:31):
trying to think find of ways to be able to
reduce our overall debt. One of those ways is to
get my student loans paid off, which conveniently, the military
said that they would do. Uh. And I went and
I and I talked with recruiter with the National Guard

(01:53:53):
and they were like, sure, we'll take anybody. And I
was like, well, I'm anybody. Could I be an officer?
And they were like, if you score well enough. So
I spent like a good month going over going over
this book here. I don't know how we can you
read that he says it says ASVAB for dummies, which

(01:54:16):
is so I certainly I am a dummy. I studied
that for a while. About two or three weeks ago,
I went and took the asvabh in did the physical
and I qualify to be an officer in the Army

(01:54:38):
National Guard as far as the ASVAB and the medical
park go. As of as of right now, my planned
swear and date is Tuesday, October seventh. I'm gonna be
requesting to delay going through basic training until after the holidays.

(01:55:01):
After January first. Whether or not the military or the army,
whether they honor that or not, who knows. There's probably
a chance, a significant chance that they don't, and I
could end up going shipping off to basic training as
early as late October. Basic training is ten weeks long.

(01:55:25):
I could go to any of the basic training installations
so Fort's Benning Jackson, Leonardwood still in Knox. Following the
basic training, my Officer Candidate School OCS that definitely will
begin in late spring of twenty six, twenty twenty six,

(01:55:45):
and that's about nine or ten months long. It'll be
two weeks straight to begin with, and then move to
a three day weekend a month up until the last
two or three weeks of that those nine or ten months,
and then that it'll just be straight through. Sometime following
that Officer Leadership course, I'll then go through an additional

(01:56:08):
basic Officer Leadership course for whichever MOS or branch as
they call it an army that I end up in.
As of now, I have I have no idea what
MOS I'll be doing, where I'll end up throughout the
Officer candid School, the leadership whomever they're going to be

(01:56:30):
taking into account the things that I do well, the
positions that they need filled, and then to a very
small extent, my preference, and then the unit based distance
from my from my house. So I could end up
in anything. It may make me somewhat of a nerd,

(01:56:51):
and to be honest, I am a little bit of
a nerd. I really hope I end up in either
engineering or supplying logistics. I think either of those two
would be a lot of fun. But that leads to
what does this mean for the show? Obviously, we're gonna
keep you all updated as we're able to, and we're

(01:57:14):
not gonna be able to keep putting out the amount
of content that we are that we have been, and
we're at least through the duration of the basic training,
we're gonna uh cut back to probably about one week
or one show a week, and that that may be

(01:57:37):
scattered through because where the Abby and Liz, while I
am not here, Uh that that leaves a lot more
uh responsibility for them between the kids and trying to
record and all the other things. They're going to be

(01:57:57):
doing quite a bit of pre recording to be able
to sprinkle out some of those episodes throughout there. But
there there may be a couple of weeks throughout there
that there's there's no episodes. Did do I miss anything?

Speaker 1 (01:58:11):
I would like to point out that I will be
at least in this interim writing most of the shows
that in which the real conspiracy here is it Liz
has been skiming this entire time to take over the show.

Speaker 4 (01:58:27):
First.

Speaker 1 (01:58:27):
She got first. She This is what happened. This is
what really happened, guys. This is finally finally spilling the tea.
What happened was that Liz stopped showering. And so when
p J visited a couple of times last summer, Liz

(01:58:51):
came over not showered at and she so completely grossed
him out that.

Speaker 5 (01:58:58):
He didn't to be on this show anymore. And so
she's scared him off and she got his spots. And
now but I just, yeah, she's shows now because I
made her contract. But now she's she's taken over the
main seat, and this is okay. So let me roll
back slightly.

Speaker 1 (01:59:19):
Number one, my sis, congratulations, we forgive you for less shows,
but I'm excited for you, guys. It sounds like a
great opportunity. Thank you. We are so what we want
to do kind of is just kind of go forward
cautiously and under promise and possibly over deliver, but trying

(01:59:41):
not to commit to more than we can handle. So,
especially if John has to ship out earlier rather than later,
there's a lot of things.

Speaker 2 (01:59:50):
Like we're we're certainly hoping. I'm certainly hoping that I
don't go off to basic training until January first. That
would make a lot of things easier. But I mean,
whatever happens, you know.

Speaker 1 (02:00:01):
Right right, I'm gonna sort of burn this bridge but year.

Speaker 2 (02:00:04):
But yeah, I'm.

Speaker 1 (02:00:06):
Gonna burn it when we come to it. But we've we've.

Speaker 2 (02:00:09):
Got it as we're crossing it, so nobody else can cross.

Speaker 1 (02:00:13):
Everybody, shut up, Yes, buddy, there will be at least
some shows We've got. We've got a lot to take
care of to make sure that things are going to
be things are gonna run okay in John's absence. I
have two kids under two. It's not going to be easy.
The bandwidth that I have to do much of anything

(02:00:35):
is going to be pretty low, and so we will
probably go down to fewer shows pretty quickly coming up
in the next couple of months.

Speaker 2 (02:00:44):
Because potentially weeks.

Speaker 1 (02:00:47):
Potentially weeks, because we need the bandwidth to get done
the things that we need to get done, uh for
it to us to be in a good place for
John to leave. If you haven't even doune the defensive
mode yet, sorry gon, Yeah I haven't and do the
defensive mote yet. The alligators take forever to ship in. Yeah,
who knew there was a waiting list. Yeah, money is

(02:01:10):
now demanding daily show shows so very quickly. What's going
to happen is Liz is going to continue doing the
deep dive shows that you're used to. I am going
to put a lot most of my energy and bandwidth
into preparing for this thing. Yes, And I've also you
I think you guys know, I've been a little bit off,
have been a little bit like boring, working through a

(02:01:35):
lot of stuff in my mind about like what I
even believe about getting.

Speaker 2 (02:01:39):
Away from conspiracy theories.

Speaker 1 (02:01:41):
And yes, yeah, getting away from certain types of conspiracy thinking.
And some of this is going to be like you'll
see a bit more of kind of the raw thought
process and tomorrow's show and you'll, I think understand a
little bit more where I'm at as well. I think
I'm trying to get a handle on truth. I'm trying
to get a handle on my own critical thinking. I'm

(02:02:01):
trying to figure out where I want to draw the
lines as far as like, what's respectful, what's correct, what
is a good way to approach the truth? How much
confidence do I have in the power of truth that
come out without me digging for secret head and knowledge
that kind of thing. So Liz is gonna be pulling
the majority of the weaight, it's this is basically she's

(02:02:24):
the captain now, I'm the captain now, So give her
a lot of love. Please give her a lot of love.
And then probably what will happen is Liz will have
a show every other Wednesday, and I will do either
a Thursday ish type show or a Bible study on
the alternating weeks, and then we will try to pre

(02:02:47):
record some Bible studies. Is probably going to be the
majority of the content during Basic is pre recorded Bible studies.
And then I don't want to commit to anything, but
if listen and I are feeling good enough, if I'm
feeling good enough, if I'm not run ragged by the boys,
which I might be, to do a stream here and
there with you guys, we hope to be able to

(02:03:07):
do that. Worst case scenario, you get a few shows
for a little bit, and then we'll be back at
the end, at the end of Basic with a with
a more firm schedule, and we'll be sure to be
active in the discord, except for John, because I don't
know if you can have discord at Yeah, John cannot
be acted. But yes, Oh that's the other thing. I

(02:03:29):
think what we're going to do is pull back from
the way we've been using locals, the way that we've
been using the paywall. And so this will be a
conversation that we will continue with you guys. That won't
be sudden. It might be a little bit.

Speaker 2 (02:03:45):
Sudden, depending on when I ship out.

Speaker 1 (02:03:48):
Yeah, but basically pretty pretty soon, every show we put
out will be not behind the paywall. And so for
those of you who have paid, especially those of you
who have paid like for a year, or anybody who
is like man, can you please refund that or feels

(02:04:12):
jipped by that in any way, please please let us
know if you want to gear up to canceling your subscription.
Whenever we do, like tomorrow, is not going to be
behind the pay well, I can't guarantee that there won't
still be a few more behind the paywall. But I
do apologize for those of you who are a little
bit up there.

Speaker 2 (02:04:32):
But if if you want to continue supporting us through locals,
we would we would greatly appreciate that.

Speaker 1 (02:04:39):
Right, No complaint that we're not going to turn it off.
It's just there's probably not going to be for at
least for a good long time exclusive content there. It'll
still be anything we put out will still be putting
like the ad free versions of it there. So that
is that is certainly a perk. But yes, I do

(02:05:00):
have a questions. It's not relevant to this, but it
is an important one. Is during his stint in the
National Guard, is John allowed to eat crayons? Or is
that cultural appropriation? That is cultural appropriation of Marines. They
are not allowed to eat croons. Right, I have to
get a different going away gift have to make.

Speaker 2 (02:05:16):
I don't know. I'm not I'm not in yet.

Speaker 1 (02:05:19):
Let us know when you get it.

Speaker 2 (02:05:21):
I haven't sign my life way, oh when you when
you are? When I do? Sign to go through Officer
Canada School to be an officer in the Army National Guard.
It's it's a six year contract, so potentially in the
next couple of years, there may be a time where

(02:05:43):
I get deployed and we revert back to this similar
sort of schedule.

Speaker 1 (02:05:48):
Yeah, and there's definitely no way to know if for
when he's going to be deployed until he gets orders,
and then there would be a certain amount of time
to prepare. But to be really funny, if he gets
to boot camp and the captain comes out and it's.

Speaker 2 (02:06:04):
Me so funny.

Speaker 1 (02:06:14):
Okay, Well, I think that that's everything. I'm sorry that
we don't have like more clear stuff to tell you.
As soon as we have dates and more clear stuff
about John what we can give you a little bit
more to go on. But once, if and when Thursday
is no longer a show night, you and the community
are welcome, more than welcome to schedule some sort of

(02:06:36):
something in the community if you want to be doing
something together on Thursday nights, D and D a protest
of alternatively.

Speaker 2 (02:06:44):
Yeah, and if we end up any session every Thursday.

Speaker 1 (02:06:50):
I can lead that. If we end up abandoning Monday
nights and just having everything on Wednesday nights, that will
also be open. And if there's like an interim like
for the d ration of basic you want to take
over Monday nights. Whatever you guys want to do, please
feel free. Variable's gonna schedule some riots that that's fine,
love that. That's really more of those. That's all right.

(02:07:13):
The trash pouts that comes so late, Okay, you are
really really we're like almost about to say goodbye.

Speaker 2 (02:07:19):
Really late in terms in terms of being able to
provide an update. We depending on whether the show on Wednesday,
the eighth, October eighth, whether that's live or not, we
could probably do an update then or whenever we record
later that week, that that'll come out the following week.

(02:07:44):
So if you'd find out on the fifteenth of October, I.

Speaker 1 (02:07:47):
Can't believe September.

Speaker 2 (02:07:48):
So also, yeah, one week and we're in October.

Speaker 1 (02:07:54):
Yeah, So thank you so much everybody. Thank you for
your patience with the think you fear grace with us.
Completely understand if some of you are upset, particular about
the paywall stuff. Yeah, can I get a refund?

Speaker 2 (02:08:12):
There was there was a comment I wanted to read
where to go? Where to go? I guess I'll have
to say it from from memory. Go ahead, Oh here
it is? Uh, can I get a refund on money?
I haven't actually said.

Speaker 1 (02:08:29):
A prefund, so to speak. I think that's just called
a fund. I think that's just funding. I I want
to float the idea of negative rumble rants, where we
the audience, gets to take money from you if you
say something really annoying or whatever.

Speaker 2 (02:08:45):
We should, uh, we should create one of those like
reverse OnlyFans, where we I mean we already have everybody's
phone number, we just start spamming them until you pay
us for us to stop.

Speaker 4 (02:08:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:08:55):
So to be clear, I think we'll probably try to
send a message to everybody in locals to this effect.
But it is up to you. It is up to
you to end your subscription if you want to. There'll
be a certain amount of refunding that we'll be happy
to do. But I in six months, if someone's like.

Speaker 2 (02:09:20):
Why is there no content here?

Speaker 1 (02:09:21):
How dare you?

Speaker 3 (02:09:22):
I wouldn't be like I did tell you, and I
thought that you were wanting to keep.

Speaker 1 (02:09:28):
Supporting at Just send me a photograph of your credit
card and I will take care of it.

Speaker 2 (02:09:34):
This is and mother, and just made a name and
social security number and the rest all of.

Speaker 1 (02:09:43):
The normal stuff. Agathusia, thank you, Jesus. Proud of your
alternatively team, Thank you guys, all for for your support tonight.
I have been really bad about being in discord lately.
I have been very on Twitter as if.

Speaker 3 (02:10:02):
I'm gonna try I keep saying, I keep saying, I'm
gonna try so hard to be a discord.

Speaker 1 (02:10:08):
I have such a hard time keeping up with it.

Speaker 2 (02:10:10):
But we've and we've had a lot going on in
the last couple months, so be fair.

Speaker 1 (02:10:15):
We've had a lot going on in the past couple
of years.

Speaker 2 (02:10:17):
Yeah, yeah, I can't.

Speaker 1 (02:10:19):
Think of anything else out of my head. But yeah,
I believe you that you've been a couple babies. That's
what those are. But I am going to miss you, guys,
and I expect and hope that, especially during the time
where we're a little bit off air, that I'll be
able to be a little bit more with you in
the discord. But for those of you who have me
on Instagram, have me on Twitter, please feel free to
reach out through those avenues as well. A few of

(02:10:40):
you have my phone number, okay, do either of you.
Won't have anything else to say. We will always be
in your hearts and I will always be in your walls.
That's so so nice. This like what just like shut up?

Speaker 2 (02:11:00):
I'm just trying to think back to how you saw
Sacod Night to you, and that's how I was going
to end the show, but I can't remember the setup
to it.

Speaker 1 (02:11:06):
Oh, Austa Luigi.

Speaker 2 (02:11:08):
Managed unless there was anything else, anything else plastic you
want as

Speaker 1 (02:12:02):
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