Lemonade Miracle? - Overdose Ep 13 - Alternatively - Formerly Conspiracy Pilled

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Worthy give me.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Hello and welcome to Overdose Episode thirteen. Lucky thirteen. I
don't think anything of thirteen, but I do think it's
fun that this is like a very Christian episode and
it's number thirteen. Patina Pip and Chat said, looking forward
to this, my daughter has been sending me videos on him,
him being Forest Frank. Who are going to talk about?

Speaker 3 (01:24):
We are.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
Live on Rumble Premium because Rumble just made the change
that if you are a channel subscriber and not a
premium subscriber, you can still get access to the premium
content created by the channel you're subscribed to.

Speaker 4 (01:41):
So now I feel.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
Better about putting these shows out on Rumble Premium, because
I always felt bad when we did that. So what
I'm going to do is gate this for those of
you who are watching on Rumble. If you are not
subscribed to the channel or subscribe to Rumble Premium, uh,
it's gonna cut out for you in a couple of seconds.

(02:02):
But we will be talking about the miracle question mark
that Forrest Frank, the Christian singer Forest Frank, experienced and
was documented really heavily on Instagram in the past week
or so. So that's what we're talking about. If you
want to sub stick around, We're on. You can sub
on Locals, you can sub on Rumble. Those are your options.
All right, Okay, oh.

Speaker 4 (02:29):
Your problem.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
He's been so great, He's probably just he's probably hungry.
You're probably gonna have to feed him the bar and
my person again. I would, but unfortunately I have to.

Speaker 4 (02:39):
You would bar my pers again.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
Yeah, I would know. I would hold him and feed him.
You're good if I didn't.

Speaker 4 (02:44):
Have to pull up all the links. So I was
just gonna get into This is gonna be a little
bit like a.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
TikTok react show, except it's all one saga of reels.

Speaker 4 (02:55):
So here we go, here we are.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
This is the first first, just one from Forrest Frank's instagram.

Speaker 5 (03:05):
What's up game? Fractured the vertebrae.

Speaker 6 (03:11):
Here's the video, Okay, kind of Where's up game?

Speaker 2 (03:51):
Okay, so that's that you can clearly see on the
ring camera footage. Yeah, that part didn't look like it
could possibly have been staged, Like, yes, it was caught
on camera, but it was caught on a ring camera.

Speaker 4 (04:06):
He never even looks at the camera, like the edge
of the sidewalk hit his back.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
Right and you can see on his back where you
can see where it hit, and it seems pretty clear
that he is he he's yeah, hurting, and he says
to his kid, I'm going to go inside, but then
he decides that probably not a good idea.

Speaker 4 (04:28):
Oh fuzzle love with the kid's like, oh.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
Yeah, And then I helped, so he's this is the caption,
Dad's this is your sign to get off the stick.
It was just a casual session with my two year olds,
so I didn't even think to put a helmet on.
Hindsight is twenty twenty. Thankful to God that it wasn't
any worse. Multiple fractures to L three and L four.
Will be laying in bed for a while, So sorry, Grace,

(04:52):
and then call me a weirdo. But through the pain,
I was crying. Here's a joy in the ambulance.

Speaker 4 (04:55):
God.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
God's always working and he's never failed me. This adventure
just has pain attached to it. I'll be laying in
bed for the next however long, But the vibes are up.

Speaker 4 (05:04):
If he hadn't hit his back, he might have hit
the back of his head. Yeah different, Yeah, it could
have been It could have been way worse.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
But yes, between your pip. It is interesting how the
camera is right there. Yeah, it is there, are there
are I want to preface this all by saying, like
I believe in miracles, like I believe that God does things,
I believe that he heals people. And I believe that
that any time that God works in this way, that
one of these spiritual like things happens is a miracle.

(05:36):
A speaking in tongues A and by speaking tongues, I
mean speaking in a language that somebody else can understand
for the purpose of giving them the gospel.

Speaker 4 (05:47):
What are the other ones? Oh? Also, I just realized
my lights are on. That's my bed. Oh sorry, I
had to make it about me. You had to make
it about you. Oh you're good. I can't believe you
got my blanket all messed up. I did that on purpose.
I need it. I needed chat admonish, And for.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
The first little bit of watching this, I thought it
was completely real, and at some point, like alarm like
little question marks started to come up in my brain,
like this feels too perfectly laid out. So I the
reason I want to talk about this is to talk
about why, as somebody who wants to see God work

(06:36):
wants to see miracles, wants this to be real. Why
am I having this reaction to it? And is it
still a real miracle? Am I having this reaction because
I'm seeing other little things that are maybe something we
can talk about along the way. I'm very very curious
to hear what you and chat think what you listen.

(06:58):
Because LIZI doesn't watch any of this, told me to
just keep Yeah.

Speaker 4 (07:01):
I hadn't run into any of the saga for whatever reason, right, So.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
I want to make it clear though, if any of
this is staged, if any of this is set up,
I don't doubt that first video, Okay, and the shots
from the hospital and the picture of him and the
neck bra like, obviously that's all I think. Obviously that's
all real. It's very convenient that the ring camera caught it.
But I don't think you could set I don't think

(07:27):
you could safely even stage a fall like that in
your driveway hit the way that he did, where you
can clearly see like where it like scraped against his back,
and I just don't think that that part could possibly
have been faked. My one question for that is did
he just fake the extent of the injuries that's gonna
be my Yeah, that's my question. So his claim to

(07:50):
remind you multiple fractures to L three and L four.
Now I should have joggled this before.

Speaker 4 (07:58):
I almost said joggled it. This is a problem, yeah,
because somebody here with me mad. So let's see what
was I gonna jogle?

Speaker 2 (08:11):
How long does it take fractured vertibray to heal? Okay,
I hate how often I use the AI overview, but
I'm gonna use it. The healing time for a fractured
vertebra varies depending on several factors, including severity of the fracture.

(08:31):
Minor fractures may heal within a few weeks, while while
severe fractures may take several months or even longer.

Speaker 4 (08:37):
Location sorry, fel like a crack versus a clean break
or whatever.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
Yeah yeah yeah, Location of the fractu because a fracture
could even not even be all the way through, just
like a thin like a yeah yeah. Fractures in the
lower back lumber signed typically take longer to heal than
have fractures in the upper back thoracic spine. So he
did he was in the lower What is it? Is
it pronounce thorastic or thoracic thoracic. I think it is

(09:03):
thoracic underlying health conditions. People with osteoporosis or other bone
weakening conditions may have a slower healing process. Treatment, rest, pay, medication,
embracing can help immobilize the spine and promote healing. Surgery
may be necessary in some cases, which can extend the
healing time. In general, most spinal fractures heal within six
to twelve weeks. However, some fractures may take up to
a year or longer to fully recover. It's important to

(09:24):
follow your doctor's instructions carefully and attend all follow up
appointments to monitor progress and ensure optimal healing. So best
we just we tend to recommend that you don't break
your back at all. Yeah, so six to twelve weeks
is what you should keep in mind. Here is like
what our expectation is now. Obviously, this is a young,
like physically healthy dude who is also like a big singer.

(09:46):
So theoretically he's getting really good treatment, you know, I mean,
you do hope the good treatment, like the best treatment
that he could be getting, although there's no documentation that
he received anything like extraordinary, like, yeah, I don't know,
a stem cell infusion or something like that. Yeah, not
that that's a thing. I don't I don't know if

(10:07):
that's the thing. I just it's the thing.

Speaker 4 (10:09):
Now, Okay, here we go.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
That is enough preliminary. Okay, here's the next one. So
he is now the caption here has broke my backscape
burning two days ago and this happened.

Speaker 4 (10:24):
So he's in bed. He's not wearing any sort of ass.
I think it is on underneath or he's being very
it's a good question.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
But yeah, he is laying in bed here with his microphone,
with his camera all set up.

Speaker 7 (10:41):
Here we go's a go. I fractured my L three
and L four. Here's a clip of it if you
want to watch the full video. It's right before this one.
I saw this comment right here. How will you make
fire music with a fractured back bro, I don't know.
Let's find out.

Speaker 8 (10:56):
I think I'm gonna just sing whatever pops out and
the I'm gonna build it the chords around it.

Speaker 5 (11:01):
God, it's like that's the lowest hanging through the even
when I all look at it, even when full of
this tweet. I thought that one, but you make no mistakes.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
So basically he just goes through lying here writing this song,
which is is released at this point, so he put
it out really quickly, and it's just kind of like
I don't think it's nearly as good as his other music.
It's just kind of a play on like God's got
my back.

Speaker 9 (11:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (11:51):
I don't really like his singing, so it's too like
that indie. Yeah, yeah, I like indie. I find that
all lot of the time. I don't like his music
because it's too like it's too happy.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
It's like too happy, too toxically positive, like not not
I'm not calling it toxic, but it's for me. It
hits in that weird like this is you broke your back,
would kill you to cry a little. Yeah, And well,
this is one thing I kind of want to talk
about throughout this thing, is like, is there a way
that sometimes there is a way that sometimes Christians are

(12:27):
not authentic or honest about trials because there's this like, well,
I'm a Christian and God is working things for good,
which is true.

Speaker 4 (12:36):
You have to be happy all the way through it.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
I have to be happy all the way through it.
I'm going to film myself being happy. I'm going to
film myself being like aggressively positive and in not admitting
to any discouragement, discouragement or any like human. And it
doesn't feel human, and it doesn't feel real, and it
feels like a lie. It feels like a deception performance. Yeah,

(13:01):
it feels like a performance. And that's what I feel
about kind of all of this. But so that's kind
of mostly how I feel about his music. Yes, I
think that there are some like they're they're kind of bops,
like he writes good bops, and sometimes I sometimes I
like them if they come up in a play I
never seek out his music. If it comes up in
a playlist, I'll probably listen to it and not hate it.

Speaker 4 (13:22):
I can't don't necessarily listen to anything from him, but
if I have, it was unwillingly. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
But here in this caption, he says turning lemons into
lemonade lemon emoji. Okay, this is the next video that
he posted, and it says calling on Jesus to take
away the pain. And this is another kind of like
why are you filming this thing? He says warning intense
video Day five, with a broken back turned on the
camera to record a music clip and accidentally caught this

(13:49):
moment crying emoji. Every day I have to get out
of bed to use the restaurm, and it's excruciating pain.
But Jesus has been getting us through it. Thanks for
all your prayers. We're going to get through this. Today
is the day that the Lord has made. I will
rejoice and be glad in it.

Speaker 4 (14:04):
So but also in this video, it's like it, let's
discuss it after God, my.

Speaker 5 (14:18):
God, Oh, I.

Speaker 8 (14:22):
Feel like it just got out.

Speaker 10 (14:28):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (14:28):
I don't tell me, Jesus tell me this. It's a miracle. Best.

Speaker 8 (14:44):
My back keep getting tired, tied tighter and tin easily down.
But the transition is just so hard that when we've
like fully focused our minds on Jesus, Jesus, let my
body worship you, when we've stayed right there, it hasn't
he e.

Speaker 9 (15:00):
Peter, I have a question, Yes, why isn't he using
a bedpan because he's not wearing a cast and he's
trying to get up.

Speaker 4 (15:17):
Isn't the goal to be as a mobile as possible?

Speaker 2 (15:20):
Yeah, so already I have questions about like these must
have been eighty bitty fractures if this is a sprain
or something. Yeah, it doesn't like I don't know tons
about breaking your back, but like, I've had a couple
of friends break their back and they like, legit broke
their back and they were like in hard casts four
months and months, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (15:43):
And then he he's.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
Clearly in the first part of the video like an
incredible pain, and then you don't actually see it get better. Yeah,
it cuts and then it cuts to him laying there
and they're like, he just witnessed Amuria Cole. We focused
on Jesus and the pain went away, And I'm.

Speaker 4 (16:01):
Like, but I didn't witness it, though, you because you
cut it.

Speaker 11 (16:04):
I witnessed the premial girl part where it was just
like and it was one of those ones where it's
hard to tell was that even legitimate pain or was
he playing it for the camera, Like I I'm not
saying a broken bonent's not painful, to be clear, right, It.

Speaker 4 (16:15):
Just I don't know.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
It seemed I don't I could go I could go
either way with it, because like this whole turned on
the camera to record a music clip and accidentally caught
this moment.

Speaker 11 (16:23):
Yeah, accidentally got the moment where I intended to get
to the bathroom, and I knew this was going to
be a long thing, like maybe he was already filming
the video and then they just didn't turn it off
for this but framing us accidentally. It's just like it
happened to all to be rolling when I don't know.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
Yeah, I don't know, there there are This is where
I just started to have like what are you sure?

Speaker 5 (16:42):
Like?

Speaker 4 (16:42):
Also, is the towel kosher for helping him get up?
Like I just can't? I yeah, it's because it feels
like it's.

Speaker 11 (16:48):
Putting all the force right on the broken part. She
used the towel to get up.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
Yeah, I guess in this when he's not getting up,
he's trying to lie down.

Speaker 4 (16:58):
But I mean this idea, like his weight is on
the towel.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
I yes, So, like any of these medical questions I
can't answer, I am going to assume that the things
that they are doing are in line with what the
doctors told.

Speaker 4 (17:12):
Them, but I don't. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
But but Tuna Pip says, this kind of thing almost
makes me feel guilty that I'm still having chronic pain.
This is so I do too. I have chronic pain
in my neck. I've had it since I was like thirteen,
and yes, like there are when we watch stuff like
this and it's not that God doesn't do good things
for people. It's not that he doesn't do miracles, and

(17:37):
I don't I just want to be so careful about that.
But it's like this like toxic positivity in Christianity. That's
like nothing bad ever happens to me because I just
pray it away.

Speaker 4 (17:50):
It is. Yeah, it's prosperity gospel. I was chiper enough
about it, so I was healed.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
It feels like that, and I, like I would I
tend to think that the pain was real here maybe
a little bit played out so the camera, Like I
have a hard time believing that he didn't know that
the camera was on, like it it's right on his
face like this. The camera couldn't be set up better
for this moment.

Speaker 11 (18:16):
Don't pretend you forgot it was filming. People don't forget
it was filming. They they're if you're if you're doing
something that you're actively filming, you don't forget that you're.

Speaker 4 (18:24):
Filming, right, Yeah, it so I already, But like.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
I know there are people Christians who flip through life
like this and it works for them, and that's that's great.

Speaker 4 (18:40):
I don't want to hate. I don't want to hate
on it.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
There is a lot to be said for choosing to
be positive, and I think that there was an air
of like even self deception about it. But if it's
working for you, I'm not I'm not trying to say
you should be more miserable so that I can feel
better about myself. But yeah, it just makes me feel

(19:04):
some type of way sometimes, so I'm with you.

Speaker 4 (19:06):
But then this, then this happened.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
And this is actually the first video in the saga
that I saw.

Speaker 4 (19:12):
It's either of these forests. No, neither of these is forest.
This is the the figs. They're men, not figs. But
go on, correct, So here.

Speaker 12 (19:22):
We go the forest Frank song.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
Step one mega, So here I'm gonna start this over
this their whole thing. Here is how to write a
forest Frank song.

Speaker 12 (19:35):
Frank song Step one, Mega, catchy, tight range.

Speaker 4 (19:43):
Step two.

Speaker 12 (19:43):
He switches it up a lot, but usually electric guitar, keys,
big drums and little sound effects. Step three Jesus and vibes.

Speaker 5 (19:54):
Love of God has got me clean, Oh spies.

Speaker 12 (19:58):
And that's all we got. Where the fig following comment
who should do next time? We do not make music
like this, but we gave it a go.

Speaker 5 (20:05):
The love of God has got me clean.

Speaker 4 (20:08):
Oh, spies, that got me in a don't mind.

Speaker 12 (20:13):
But now I'm out here feeling won't lie.

Speaker 4 (20:17):
I'm sing in the shape. I gave me some lemons,
but my Jesus, he be making.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
Them dame making them a day all my movies made up.

Speaker 5 (20:32):
Wait, he's count on me.

Speaker 10 (20:35):
Okay, I gave me some lemons, but.

Speaker 13 (20:37):
My Jesus, he be making that money.

Speaker 10 (20:41):
Oh we need always hagging.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
So I like these guys. I think it was really sweet.
Of like, I think this is this was fun. It
was a fun tribute to him. He like they saw
that he had just broken his back, and they, you know,
wanted to do you know, this is a fun thing
for him. And he responded, I think you just jokingly

(21:11):
made the song of the summer. Okay, So here's what
happened next. This is also from The Fix.

Speaker 14 (21:19):
With Stevie's Holy did you see this?

Speaker 5 (21:25):
What?

Speaker 4 (21:25):
You were not gonna believe this? You were not gonna
believe what.

Speaker 3 (21:28):
Are you talking about?

Speaker 5 (21:29):
You got.

Speaker 15 (21:32):
The country.

Speaker 14 (21:36):
That's wild, that's wild. Also, Forrest Frank made a verse
for our song.

Speaker 16 (21:47):
My Jesus naked.

Speaker 10 (21:51):
I watched my words watching them.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
Okay, So Forrest responded, One is the monkey okay?

Speaker 4 (21:59):
Two need dance tutorial. Three all caps, y'all turn to
do a verse? Lemon emoji okay uh?

Speaker 14 (22:07):
Also the fix, dear Forest Frank, so that you wanted
us to write a verse for your song. We've been
cooking a little bit, we've been shoving.

Speaker 4 (22:18):
We're thinking some of like sweet sugar Cane.

Speaker 5 (22:21):
Let me just show you. It'll be actually easier.

Speaker 10 (22:23):
To explain if I just heard that sugar cane on
the summer day and my Jesus than the words I
could ever say, promise that the great, great good would
come along.

Speaker 17 (22:36):
Because if life is always easy, he probably doing something wrong.

Speaker 13 (22:41):
He comforts in the sorrow he's giving in the lots
he stole, the shame I carry them worrying on the cross,
fu Manday, I'm trying to give me le Jesus.

Speaker 5 (23:02):
Do for free.

Speaker 4 (23:03):
So obviously there's there's something to this back and forth
that is a little bit more contrived than it looks like.
And I think that they expect.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
You to know that, Like he's pretending that he's just
walking into the cabin and be like, oh, I'll just
show you. Then turns it on and perfectly lip syncs
it and they do.

Speaker 4 (23:21):
Their little like.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
Some of this is staged in a way that is,
there's nothing wrong with it and we all know it.

Speaker 11 (23:30):
Well it kind of I keep getting flashbacks to you
remember the song It was like ABCD FBCD e FU
and yeah, that was framed as like a oh, someone
in the comments made a prompt and she wrote the
song bay stuff of it. But the person the comments
made the prompt was like a producer or someone.

Speaker 4 (23:44):
Who were right.

Speaker 11 (23:45):
Yeah, it was like this whole thing wasn't organic, but
it was framed as such. And so now I don't
trust anything right right. No, it's the how quickly they
went back and forth. On the one hand, I'm like, well,
Forest Frank is laying in bed with very little to do,
so that he first of all that that first thing

(24:05):
that they did, is.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
There an echo?

Speaker 4 (24:10):
So no, no, the echo is Princess said whoop them here?

Speaker 11 (24:12):
Now let's start over, and that couples of minutes later,
Variable was like who them here?

Speaker 2 (24:17):
Okay, okay, all right, hey, Grin says, and Variable five
and agathusia, I think I saw her earlier, and I
didn't say the Resus Satyr, which I think I already
said he was here very early.

Speaker 4 (24:35):
Yeah, okay, all right, uh and anyone who is uh
along for the along for the ride and and not
commenting but rather simply lurking, okay.

Speaker 3 (24:50):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
And I think that the Figs deserved to go viral
for that first video, So I hm, it's possible that
they were ent with Forest before they even did the
first thing, but I kind of doubt it. I think
that the other thing is that if you are just listening,
you won't know this, but like in the background of

(25:13):
all of their stuff, it's pretty like rough, like they're
not in a recording studio. They are actually at a
summer camp. They are camp counselors at a summer camp.
So yeah, so like when they're on the roof of
this kind of run down house, like that's they're at
kind of this rundown summer camp. So I find it
a little bit more believable that this happened organically, at

(25:35):
least at the beginning with the fig side of things,
just because of like that context of if if Forrest
had decided to stage something like this with somebody. I
kind of doubt he would have done it with this
like pair of camp counselors, but maybe.

Speaker 11 (25:54):
And it's also possible these guys had already kind of
planned to do something like this and because of the
forest and they're like, okay, now it's the time to
pull the trigger on this, So they already had the.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
Thought right working on, right, right, But I think that
they deserve the virality, like especially this one. I really
like that verse. And in many ways this song that
they have now put out with Forrest is I like
it better than any of Forrest's like songs, yeah alone,
because it has some of those like lower, slower, sadder,

(26:25):
more like human bits.

Speaker 4 (26:27):
I think, not just like this intense positivity.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
Yeah right, So okay, this is the it's out now
announcement from Forrest. Well actually they they co posted this one,
so at this point, like it makes sense they're they're
in communication there.

Speaker 4 (26:43):
Yeah. As if this story couldn't get any crazier.

Speaker 3 (26:47):
The Figs are camp counselors currently at Summer Camp and
they play the song for them live for the first time.

Speaker 5 (26:52):
You'll got to watch this video for this song. You're
completely finished.

Speaker 4 (27:07):
It is rid.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
So I love it. I love that the kids love it.
It's like that I think I want to stress. I
feel like the fig side of things, I have no
issue with everything that's come from them. Feels really authentic,
and I don't think you can fake like the excitement

(27:46):
in the room on this reel.

Speaker 4 (27:49):
So next I wanted to show you this. So this
is an.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
Article from HPN Radio. There were a bunch of different articles.
I just picked a random one that all reported the
same basic thing. Forrest frank In the Figs lemonade hits
number one across all genres.

Speaker 11 (28:06):
Can I just point out that the thing I find
most upsetting about Forrest franc is this is the only
outfit he seems to own.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
Right, But he seems to be a pretty contrived person.
His hair is always perfect, he is, his face is
always perfect.

Speaker 4 (28:20):
He serial killer mustache. Has his shirt off if he
can possibly help it, Like he seems to own this
one shirt. That's one wife beater, this one parent pants.
The overshirt is the same color as the towel.

Speaker 11 (28:33):
It's the same aesthetic, like right, it's seeing the corkboord
now the vision.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
It does seem that he is someone who's very, very
intentional careful about his image, and that's fine, but it
does have this air of like he's too happy. He's
perfectly happy all the time. God is perfectly taking care
of him all the time. Nothing bad ever happens, and
if if something bad happens, it's going to be like amazing,

(29:00):
And he looked pretty well doing it, and everything is
perfectly framed and perfectly curated.

Speaker 11 (29:07):
And I feel like those kind of people are set
up for like if they go through a serious, hard
period of testing like Joe, does their vision of their
faith fall apart because they believe in a god who
doesn't let them suffer.

Speaker 4 (29:18):
I don't know. Yeah, I'm riffing too much.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
Yeah, no, no, I think that that's a reasonable question.
So this Forest Frank wasted no time while on bed
rest these past two weeks. During that time, Forrest wrote, recorded,
and released two songs, God's Got My Back and Lemonade,
in collaboration with The Figs. The first single quickly made
its way up the charts, while Lemonade hit number one
in all genres the first day it hit the airwaves.

Speaker 4 (29:38):
What is happening?

Speaker 2 (29:39):
Said Forrest in a post on social media, and the
day it drops my back is suddenly better. We're going
to get to that. Forrest temporarily beat out artists like Chappelle,
Roan and Alex Chapel, Chachlone, Chaperone and Alex Warren even
surpassing Ozzy Osbourne songs that were back on the charts
after his recent passing. Alex Warren is another one who
is like kind of Christian coded, but he seems to

(30:02):
be writing secular music, love songs and stuff like that. Yes,
and his stuff has been like megaviral on and it
has this like air of authenticity, but it's also megaviral.
And he's also like immediately gotten collaborations with like really
big artists like jelly Roll and and.

Speaker 11 (30:22):
Jelly Roll is not a decent first and I believe
he's in an open marriage, so collaborating with him as supposedly.

Speaker 4 (30:30):
Jelly Roll has been like writing Christian like code and
music as well. So that's my understanding is that he
is interesting interesting, Okay, well, unless that's changed in recent times.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
I don't know if I've ever seen Alex Warren say
explicitly that he's Christian, so like, I don't really you know,
be that as it may.

Speaker 4 (30:48):
He might be playing both audiences might not come out.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
But he was also one where when I the first
couple of times I saw reels from him with his
with with his song Ordinary, I was like, Wow, this
is like super were authentic, and he and his wife
are super cute, and I can see why this is
going viral. And then it just felt super astroturfed after
a minute and he and he hits so big and

(31:12):
like that one doesn't really have a spiritual component to it.
So I'm but I just thought I would bring up
in this same context of like, that's another example of
someone who went incredibly viral with a piece of music
that went super number one that also didn't feel as
authentic as it purported to be. I guess, and you

(31:34):
you wonder, like how many people are kind of gaming
the system to create certain virality or is the virality
itself making the song chart top I don't I don't know. Yeah,
it's all matrix, yeah, but but yes, this this was

(31:55):
and he made he made a fairly big deal about
how this this song, this Christian song praising Jesus, is
not just number one in Christian music, but it's number
one across all genres. I think that that's really cool.
And if the entire like one of my kind of
litmus tests for a miracle or something like that is like,

(32:16):
is it glorifying God? Is the purpose of it that
God is glorified Jesus name is glorified as opposed to
the glorificaificating of an individual. And if that's the case,
that the point of this saga, this miracle, whatever you
want to call it, was that this song went so uh,

(32:38):
went so big that it's going.

Speaker 4 (32:39):
To reach people wouldn't normally have reached.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
That's cool, that's I can see that being why God
would do it. Yeah, so that's worth worth noting. Okay,
here is the next thing that happened. So this is
Torren Wells, who is a worship leader and he is
going to lead his congregation in a prayer for Forest,

(33:04):
and Forrest has set this up as like a authentic, raw,
live reaction.

Speaker 4 (33:12):
I kind of doubt it, but here we go.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
A friend just sent this to me said, I had
to check out designs the enemy seeks to destroy. And
I don't think it's a coincidence, whether you love these
people's music or not, that an artist like Forest Frank
who's about to go on probably a historic music tour,

(33:37):
not just Christian tour, will be skateboarding in his driveway
and break his back. How many of y'all think that's
a coincidence. No, it's an attack, and it's not just
an attack on a person. It's an attack on something
that God is doing in the earth. And so what
I thought would be cool is if we send a
video to Forest.

Speaker 16 (34:02):
And let him know.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
That there's five thousand people in Ohio praying for him.
I want you to stretch your hand toward this camera.
I want Forrest to hear what the volume of prayer
sounds like, not cheering, not screaming, declaration of the goodness
of God and his healing flowing into his life.

Speaker 16 (34:26):
Come on, let's pray together for us.

Speaker 5 (34:28):
This is for you, Jesus.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
We pray right now that you would comfort Forrest in
his body.

Speaker 5 (34:37):
Lord.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
We believe that no weapon formed against him will prosper.
We believe that when the enemy comes in like a flood,
that you will raise up a standard against him. God,
you have selected him like a daniel in our generation,
to carry the goodness of God to generations. And we
come against every demonic stronghold that would want to press

(35:01):
and push against what it is that you have assigned
for him to do in the earth. God, we pray
that you would give him comfort, that you would give
him healing. We declare your word over him, that by
your stripes we are healed.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
God.

Speaker 16 (35:17):
We speak to every vertebrae, every joint, every ligament, every tissue,
and we command it to come under the authority of
the blood of Jesus his finish worked on the cross
in the name of Jesus Christ.

Speaker 4 (35:31):
I'm speechless right now that many people praying for me.

Speaker 5 (35:33):
Who am I to be used by God?

Speaker 4 (35:35):
Feeling really thankful, really thankful? My fraid Jesus. Yeah, overacts
with his eyes. His eyes are overacting, at least in
the beginning. Yeah.

Speaker 11 (35:43):
The second part is like, why did he describe Torrens
prayer as like especially humble, Like it's not.

Speaker 4 (35:49):
I'm not saying it's not humble, but like if.

Speaker 11 (35:50):
I sit and pray for someone who needs prayer, no
one's like, oh, wow, you're so humble for that.

Speaker 4 (35:54):
It's like, oh, thank you for praying. I don't know, Yeah,
maybe e quibbling. Yeah, find his personality like a Daniel
in this generation. Yeah, that's that's kind of.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
On the one hand, that Torren led his church to
to pray for to pray for him really cool, like
nothing wrong with that. And to to praise and encourage
a fellow believer who God's using and try to encourage
him in a downtime, nothing wrong with that. But it

(36:32):
did feel to me like that prayer and force reaction
to it glorified forest.

Speaker 4 (36:39):
Yes.

Speaker 11 (36:39):
And also what does the terminology mean of like we
come against every demonic stronghold? You mean, like you're not
the one doing the bat like God is, like I
don't know, like we pray against like praying to God
in a prayer, we come against every demonic stronghold, Like
who you praying to?

Speaker 4 (36:54):
I don't know. Yeah, I mean it's just like a
churchy and niece that I don't know how to.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
There's a bunch of Yeah, there a bunch of like
church language, church ease that sometimes doesn't actually line up theologically.
And it doesn't mean that the prayer is not going
to work, And it doesn't mean that like God's mad
about it. But I do think that there's sometimes a
carelessness and in the way that like certain terms of
phrase are like used over and over in the church
without like kind of thought as to is this accurate?

(37:25):
And like the part about the Daniel in this stim
I mean, he is a massive name in Christian music
right now, and he is with his like particular style
of kind of like poppy bop, he is he is
reaching people I think you don't usually listen to Christian music,
and so I can I can understand praising him really
highly in that way. Sata says, Ohio, therefore fakes so true.

(37:50):
That is the real red flag that I'm so glad
you guys noticed. So yeah, I Petinua Pip. On the
one hand, I agree with you when you say that
when you and Sata feel like that was cring the
Daniel part was cringing and presumptuous. And on the other hand,
I can understand why someone in you know that a
church leader would would feel that way about Forrest and

(38:12):
would and would be saying something like that to Forrest.
So yeah, that you are.

Speaker 4 (38:21):
I'm not quibbling with with with that.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
Okay, Here's where I start to Here's where I really
start to be like what.

Speaker 3 (38:35):
Okay, guys, do you want to tell them? I'll guys,
So I broke my back exactly two weeks ago.

Speaker 7 (38:48):
Is today day fourteen. I got an X ray and
a cat scan.

Speaker 4 (38:55):
It showed that I had multiple fractures.

Speaker 5 (38:58):
Would not move in.

Speaker 4 (38:59):
He briefly flashed to pause.

Speaker 5 (39:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
He briefly flashed on the screen with highlights the two
lines from the radiologist talking about his X ray to
show it.

Speaker 4 (39:13):
I'm curious, is there a date on that?

Speaker 11 (39:15):
Because you could also he could have just broken this
back further back and not publicized it and planned this
whole thing.

Speaker 4 (39:21):
I don't I'm veriousci Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
Like again, I mean, well, let's more fully discussed at
the end.

Speaker 5 (39:27):
But yeah, it's without excusing Dak.

Speaker 7 (39:31):
I wake up today, forget to put on my back brace.
Just start doing the morning. I pick body up and
then I realized, wait, I'm not wearing my brace.

Speaker 4 (39:43):
What is going on?

Speaker 3 (39:45):
I'm wearing my brace right now for a precaution.

Speaker 5 (39:46):
Order an urgent X ray. Go get the X ray.

Speaker 4 (39:50):
I have complete healing in my back.

Speaker 3 (39:52):
I have no fractures in my back, no sign, no
sign of a fracture in my back. So praise God, we.

Speaker 11 (39:59):
Saw near.

Speaker 4 (40:03):
There's no fractures in his back.

Speaker 11 (40:04):
Why does he need to wear the back races of precaution,
if it's fully healed, if it's proven to be fully healed,
what's what's the need for percussion?

Speaker 4 (40:12):
I could I could definitely see a doctor saying, weird
that it's gone. Probably should wear.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
The brace for X amount of time more just in case.
I could see a doctor doing that. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (40:27):
This is the first time I've seen him in a
brace though. Yeah.

Speaker 11 (40:29):
And also I specifically remember my favorite part of the
Heart where Jesus heals the layman is what he's like, Hey,
why not in your matt for a little longer?

Speaker 4 (40:36):
This is a percussion.

Speaker 5 (40:38):
I'm just.

Speaker 4 (40:41):
Like, I can understand why.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
On the one hand, the emotion in this video felt
felt real, yeah, like his relief and joy about it.

Speaker 11 (40:58):
The other thing, and again, this is the time maybe,
but that's the back price that works by constricting and
tightening versus a cast is rigid and then yielding, but
not like cinching you in. So this I could see
putting strain on something that's broken versus protecting it.

Speaker 4 (41:12):
I don't know. I'm not an ex. I just yeah, like,
to me, it's odd.

Speaker 11 (41:16):
Anyone who's broken their backs please chime in if you
have to break your back for science first.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
Sator says he couldn't tell him to take it off
early because of his liability the doctor.

Speaker 4 (41:25):
Yeah, I think that that's reasonable.

Speaker 11 (41:28):
If Forrest believes that the miracle has happened, why is
he accus if he doesn't fully believe it happened.

Speaker 4 (41:31):
That's a good that's that's a good question. Yeah. Yeah,
can we see the x ray of proving that the
back is.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
I think he might have posted it. Let me see
if it's in one of these next videos. No, you're good.
You're good, because, like these are all legitimate questions, right,
Like he's claimed this is the second time that he's
claimed a miracle.

Speaker 4 (41:59):
Right.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
The first time he was like, he took away my
pain miraculously. Didn't show it in the jump cut. We
didn't show you.

Speaker 4 (42:06):
Didn't you show you?

Speaker 5 (42:06):
That part?

Speaker 4 (42:07):
Is nothing happened because the pain was gone.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
But also this whole I forgot to put on my
brace and I got up and I was doing stuff.

Speaker 5 (42:16):
What is that?

Speaker 4 (42:17):
Does that remind you of anything of somebody else's story?
It feels like it should. Okay, but I'm blanking, but
I know that I should know this.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
So Wes Huff has this whole story about how he
was paralyzed from a fever from a fever as a kid. Yeah,
I think it was a fever, yeah, skill issue. And
he said he wasn't expected to ever walk again, but
there was a point where I guess one morning he

(42:48):
as a kid like got up and walked from his
bed to his wheelchair and sat down in his wheelchair
like without thinking about it, and then he was like, oh, wait,
wait a second, I've caught myself in a lie. Yeah,
And so he said it like the heeling was the
same as when it when it hit, Like, yeah, his
his paralysis came on very suddenly, and it was a
very rare, very very rare condition and it was healed

(43:12):
just as suddenly, and he he speaks of it as
as a miracle.

Speaker 11 (43:18):
So you can see where a potential grift or Mike
see that story getting big and.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
Right or like just be inspired by it, like when
you're like, oh, how am I going to tell the story?

Speaker 4 (43:28):
Oh and not even remember where you heard it before. Yeah,
but like oh yeah, I forgot to put on my
brace this morning, but I'm wear right now.

Speaker 11 (43:36):
I don't know, like because like why didn't he be like, oh,
I woke up and I realized I wasn't in any pain.
And I feel like the first thing you'd noticed is wow,
it feels good. I don't know, I don't go back before.

Speaker 4 (43:46):
This is so.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
I was really enjoying following the story, like there were
a couple like little question marks I had about things.
But this is where it kind of lost me, where
I felt like I should have been happy for him
and been like, Wow, what a miracle, And instead I
was like huh m hmm. Something in me was like,

(44:10):
I don't I don't feel like I'm being told the truth.

Speaker 11 (44:14):
And also maybe it's just painfully ggency. But the whole chat,
did we just witness a miracle happen? Or do I
have the fastest bones of all time? If you have,
if you believe that you've been healed, like I feel
like it's not even cool to joke about, like, oh,
maybe I just through spatin.

Speaker 4 (44:25):
I am being intentionally pedantic.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
He says, I'm pretty much convinced God would have healed
me day one from all these prayers, but he wanted
these songs in this testimony come to life regardless. I'm
here for it all, ruin for the ordinary. Thank you Jesus.
He's also really centered on the success of these two
songs as well, and so important. Even yeah, and even
in the like, let's see, even in some of these

(45:01):
videos that he's posted that are supposed to be about God,
like his music is underlying it, and like, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (45:07):
I'm not trying to.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
I don't know's these are just the red flags that
are popping up for me. It feels like everything is
being used conveniently to make a viral song.

Speaker 4 (45:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
Yeah, it starts to feel a little contrived at some
point when enough little things stack up to be like,
wait a second, Okay, now this is where he's gonna
give a lot more detail and let me know if
the extra detail helps defend the authentic, because I feel

(45:38):
like at this point he is trying to defend the
authenticity of his story. He's not directly saying there are
people who don't believe me, and I'm answering these questions,
but it kind of reads that way.

Speaker 4 (45:50):
But here we go.

Speaker 7 (45:51):
This may be a long video, but I need y'all
to understand the full parameters of this experience. I took
like fifty five days off of social media, deleted TikTok.
God had just sent me through this arena tour, so
I just felt the need to pause and say, Hey, God,
here's everything. If you want me to never drop music again,

(46:12):
that's okay. If you want me to tour all the time,
that's okay. Like whatever you want for me, I will
do it.

Speaker 5 (46:17):
But I need to hear.

Speaker 7 (46:18):
You, Lord direct my compass. So my pastor challenged me
and my buddy Noah to in tandem do a thirty
day journal challenge. Long story short, I felt like God
was saying, Hey, I want you to start documenting everything,
specifically with music, literally in the journal.

Speaker 4 (46:34):
Like God, practically, what does this mean?

Speaker 7 (46:37):
And I'm like, okay, I gotta get camera equipment, I gotta.

Speaker 5 (46:40):
Get blah blah blah.

Speaker 7 (46:41):
So I buy all this gear, tripods, memory cards, battery packs.
I set everything up and I tested out. I actually
made two songs that I haven't shared yet because I
was still figuring out if it was possible to make
a whole song while recording. Anyways, I'm ready to go.
I'm ready to launch this thing where I start documenting
my musical journey and break my back. And what's crazy

(47:01):
about this? I happened to crash right in front of
the ring camera, and we caught it on video. That's
already super weird. I'm like, I can't believe we caught
this on video. Next, I'm tears falling too, my face
screaming in agony, and yet I'm overwhelmed with the presence
of the Holy Spirit. I don't know where it is,
but I commented that somewhere in a post where I said, like,
I felt like God.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
So the post he's referencing, he pus post screen called
me weirdo. But through the pain, I was crying, here's
a joy and the ambulance. God's always working and He's
never failed me. This adventure just has some pain attached
to it. I'll be laying in bed for the next
however long, but the vibes are up.

Speaker 11 (47:35):
I was going to it is interesting, he said, the
next however long instead of the prognosis that I'll be
lying in bed for the next six to eight weeks,
while he'll yeah, however long is kind of in retrospect,
it's like, oh, did you know it's gonna be shorter?

Speaker 4 (47:47):
And I don't know.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
Yeah, but no, that's a good question because because most
people I would have been like doctors are saying expect
X y Z.

Speaker 5 (47:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (47:56):
Well, because one of my clients at the bank broke
her wrist five weeks ago, and every time she comes in,
she comes in at least once a week, I'll be like,
how's the risk doing, and she always is like, it's
to be really good. I've got another four weeks left
or yeah. People who have broken bones. My understanding it
like from like you're turning down, yeah, like five weeks
left with this cast. I cannot wait to get it
off right.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
I don't know, right, No, there is there is that
is I think an important little thing call me suck
do something.

Speaker 7 (48:20):
Good, because he's always doing something good. So I find
out that I break my back in multiple spats.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
He put the imaging read by radiologist. Confirmation of findings
from radiologists interpretation are listed as fallows, ct abdomen and
pelvis with IVY contrasts. Result date seven seventeen two thousand,
U sorry, seven seventeen twenty twenty five.

Speaker 11 (48:41):
It looks like twenty twenty six. From this you could
type that up though I could like I could fake
that in.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
A second impression, right, L two and L three Transverse
process fractures release CT two D reconstruction lumbar result date
seven seventeen, twenty twenty five. Impression right, L two and
L three transverse process factors release.

Speaker 4 (49:00):
What's the transverse process factor? Can we look that up?

Speaker 11 (49:03):
I mean, I'm gonna joke, I'm gonna joggle it myself,
because my next question is why is he home so
fast with a broken back?

Speaker 4 (49:12):
In the first video, yes, he says L three and
L four. Oh did he change the numbers?

Speaker 2 (49:18):
And here it says in in in the thing L
two and L three he might have just like messed up.

Speaker 4 (49:25):
Yeah, you can, you can mess up.

Speaker 11 (49:27):
So, a transverse process fracture is a break in one
of the bony projections that extend from the sides of
the vertebrate, most commonly lumbar spot. So it's not the
spine itself, but like the wings of the vertebrate.

Speaker 4 (49:37):
So it's I'm sure painful, but oh it's.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
So for Oh, I think I get it now, I
think I get what's happened now, Ok. Process fracture healing
time four to eight weeks.

Speaker 11 (49:55):
It's a little bit less still still longer than two weeks.

Speaker 4 (49:59):
But by two weeks you might be feeling a lot
of healing, and if you are, let's see.

Speaker 11 (50:08):
Oh and this does say treatment typically involves rest, pain management,
and sometimes a backbrace. So for this one, yeah, it's
not as serious because obviously it's you're not protecting the
spinal cord, not really needed.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
Non displaced bones staying aligned. Fractures here all show this
time tend to heal faster than displaced fractures. Bones out
of alignment often involves a back braceror cast for three
to eight weeks. So so three weeks it's a pretty
short time. That's close to the miraculous healing time.

Speaker 4 (50:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (50:39):
Interesting, I would explain why he's saying he's feeling so
much better but still wearing a back brace, because he's
only got one week left.

Speaker 5 (50:44):
In that.

Speaker 16 (50:46):
Right.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
And to call a transverse process fracture a broken back
is a it's not a lie. Yeah, but it's a
little bit disingenuous, I think because when people when people
hear I broke my back, they're they're thinking, yeah, your
spine is in danger, you have to be immobilized.

Speaker 4 (51:10):
But basically he's just dealing with pain.

Speaker 11 (51:13):
Yeah, he basically he chipped a bony protusion, which hurts
but yeah, the same structural sort of thing.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
Yeah, and I can I could definitely see how he
could in a couple of weeks of lying in bed
feel really really good.

Speaker 4 (51:29):
Took those pain meds.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
They're working, yes, and kind of that mind of a
matter I they prayed for me. Now I need a
miracle for this viral thing. I have to show this
and I can out with a back brace on.

Speaker 18 (51:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
And also I think you can like talk yourself into it,
and there is so much power and positive thinking. I
do think that like you can create a miracle of
this level by sheer force of your positive will. That
like if he completely believed that prayer was going to
heal him and went into it really positive and the
next day felt really I mean, I don't necessarily think

(52:05):
any of that is a lie. But when you have
not really been upfront from the beginning about like what exactly,
how severe exactly is that you're saying, I broke my
back and you're not saying what the prognosis is for
how long you're it's you're expected.

Speaker 4 (52:19):
To be and that it is a little weird.

Speaker 11 (52:21):
It just to me, And this is again me playing
devil's advocate, and I don't tend to know. You know
how God does everything. But to me, we're gonna do
am maculous healing. Why are we doing it a week
before it's going to be healed already versus great when
it happened, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
Well, like for I said, the song had to come
out first, all right, right, right right? Yeah, Sata says,
this is what happens to me. Every time I try
to touch grass, turns out it's AstroTurf, and I look
like a fool.

Speaker 5 (52:46):
I also human.

Speaker 4 (52:46):
It's not even the spinal cork.

Speaker 11 (52:47):
You're right, and it's on like the if even if
he broke off that part entirely his spinal cord.

Speaker 4 (52:54):
Excuse you, this is not about you. So got that one.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
We're almost done, buddy, stick it out, stick it out here.
I will continue because we uh we pause in the middle.

Speaker 7 (53:09):
Here for who knows how long months, And because I
had all my camera equipment set up. I told Grace
to go downstairs and just grab my like, hey, go
grab this or grab this.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
So he just represented that as if he was expecting
it to be months of healing. Yeah, laid up in
bed for months, which he said, who knows how long
months and transverse process fracture four.

Speaker 4 (53:33):
To eight weeks. Yeah, two months at most, Yeah, which
is two months as months.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
But again he's he's phrasing, he's phrasing that in a
way to make to push a certain narrative.

Speaker 11 (53:45):
Yeah, it's like, sorry, I feel like I feel like
if you know someone is diagnosed with something, but they're
going to recover, but you use prognosis to describe.

Speaker 4 (53:52):
It instead of diagnosis, Oh, because it just get indicates
Oh no, it's we're dire.

Speaker 5 (53:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
Yeah, there's ways you can kind of manipulate the way
you talk about something that where you're not technically lying,
but you're also representing everything in a way that you
know that it's going to be understood falsely.

Speaker 4 (54:08):
I yes, all right, yeah.

Speaker 7 (54:10):
Bring upstairs, So she brings upstairs. So then I make
God's Got My Back. At this point in the timeline,
I'm already thinking, oh, this is a miracle. I just
captured making a whole song. It's a proclamation of joy
in the midst of a trial, And that.

Speaker 5 (54:25):
Could have been it.

Speaker 7 (54:26):
He could have ended it there on the post for
God's Got My Back. The caption was turning lemons into lemonade.
Took that social media break.

Speaker 5 (54:35):
Now I'm on social.

Speaker 7 (54:36):
Media, I scroll past it and I'm like, Yo, this
song gotta hit it. So they send it over and
then we do that back and forth thing.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
There was another video it's less pronounced here. There's another
video where he was like, it's so wild that I
used that caption and then that's what the song's about. No,
Like they obviously saw saw the caption and wrote the song.
But you're like, you're representing it as if it's like
this wild coincident.

Speaker 4 (55:00):
It's like it's such a good thing.

Speaker 7 (55:02):
Yeah, Yeah, capturing in real time and I'm talking to my.

Speaker 4 (55:07):
Friends and talking and sometimes I think when stuff like
this happens, it's not necessarily that he's being dishonest to us,
not that he's trying to lie to us, but that
he is so desperate to see a miracle, so desperate
for God to quickly make his trial better and make
it meaningful and reward him for his faithfulness and writing a.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
Song right that he's grasping at all of these miracles
in a way that's like almost just desperate, And I
get it. I get when you. Yeah, that's what I'm
kind of think because We've talked a little bit about
his like his image, and I think that there's a

(55:47):
way in which here, like he he might be like
just really desperately trying to make it into a miracle
instead of just letting it be a trial.

Speaker 4 (55:59):
Ye, like a cool thing happened in my trial.

Speaker 7 (56:01):
Yeah, yeah, in my pastor I'm like, I think this
is it. I think this is what the journal was about,
capturing the real thing. And uh so then this then
that song happens. I'm already I'm getting emotional right now.
It's just overwhelmed with the whole experience. That song comes
out and it's doing what it's doing, like that was
the miracle. That was the miracle, just that and then

(56:22):
suddenly my back is completely recovered. I know there's someone
watching this video who doesn't know Jesus. I used to
be depressed. I used to be insecurity, to be full
of anxiety. I was not this person. I gave my
life to Jesus and he changed everything. Give your life
to him. Holistically, God bless you guys in peace.

Speaker 11 (56:39):
Holistically is an oddmud but so he has this focus
on miracles of like I'm looking for miracles to happen
I'm looking for miracles to happen and.

Speaker 4 (56:49):
I haven't.

Speaker 11 (56:50):
There's nothing wrong with signs and wonders, but I have
a certain issue with people who are like, because of
this miracle, there's no reason to not believe in Jesus,
And it's like, yeah, yeah, I mean, if.

Speaker 4 (56:57):
You see a miracle, you see proof of Jesus, you
shouldlieve in it.

Speaker 5 (57:00):
But like.

Speaker 11 (57:02):
You could have believed him him ay way, that's the
point of faith. You need to be asking for miracles
to prove something.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
So two things there. One I want to give him
credit for. At the end there he makes it all
about Jesus, and I don't want to disc Like I
have pointed out where I felt like things were about
him or about his image or glorifying him to an extent,
that last little bit was very much about Jesus, and
I appreciated that that that was like the note he
ended on a lot of like that story was like

(57:30):
I journaled and God did this, and God did this
miracle for me. But like that end part was very
much give your life to very much appreciate it. But
Jesus did call out people who were just following him
to see signs and Wonders who weren't following him because
they loved him, but following him because because they saw sign,
because I wanted to see another sign for the entertainment

(57:53):
of it. Almost and there was a point where Jesus
is like, there's not going to be any more signs
in Wonders.

Speaker 4 (57:58):
Yeah, and it seems like the people are getting caught
up in this hype that I don't know.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
Yeah, you can get caught up in the hype of
the positivity and the hype of the miracle and miss
like the.

Speaker 11 (58:10):
Point it's an emotionalism thing versus a right, I don't
know fully how to explain what I'm thinking.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
Last one, and then I actually want to go back
to one of the ones we already did.

Speaker 4 (58:24):
Can it be the one where he breaks his BacT
I'm just kidding, all right.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
This is him watching a segment on The Charlie Kirk
Show where Ali Stucky also joins it. And this is
just more of an over overarching thing.

Speaker 15 (58:40):
The first time multiple Christian musicians are charting on the
Billboard Hot one hundred at the same time and staying
there for weeks. Gen Z is becoming more Christian. In fact,
the most Christian generation in quite some time. What is
causing this is sixty percent global increase in Christian music
streams over the last five years.

Speaker 4 (58:59):
Ali, I think.

Speaker 18 (59:00):
It's the increase in an interest in meaning and fulfillment,
and specifically Christianity in the satisfaction that Jesus Christ brings.
But also Christian artists are making really good music. I
went to a Forest Frank concert with my husband and
our oldest daughter, who is six, and let me tell you,
it's not only that the Holy Spirit was present. There
was a beautiful night of worship, but it was also

(59:23):
genuinely a good experience. And so I'm just so thankful
to see this collision of awesome talent and a desire
to glorify God.

Speaker 15 (59:32):
Honestly, praise God that people are starting to listen to
things that aren't degenerate and awful and ugly and shallow
for the first time.

Speaker 4 (59:40):
Yeah, two things too, quipples, too swells.

Speaker 11 (59:43):
It does kind of bug me when when they're talking
about worship and they're like, the Holy Spirit was present.
It was like He was present in believers anyway. He
didn't just show up for the worship session. It's just
that you felt emotions at that time. Yeah, you felt emotions.
And then also I don't really have a lot of
respect for anyon one who does just like the nodding
react like you're not adding any value except your reaction.

(01:00:04):
And I get that he's looking at stuff about him,
but it's like, oh, this clip that is already glorifying
him is then more about him and his.

Speaker 4 (01:00:10):
Like ooh, I'm receiving the word. I don't know.

Speaker 11 (01:00:12):
I just I feel like I don't like his personality. Yeah,
I agree, I'm verbal says if you're following Christ because
of some emotional hig you' equipment, the highway is of yeah,
that's what I'm trying to.

Speaker 4 (01:00:23):
Say, Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
I do think that one of the points Ali made
there is is actually really strong and is probably the
big I think that that gen Z is becoming more
Christian in large part because the world got so crazy
and so degenerate and so like sexually awful that I
think gen Z is wanting more structure, wanting more religion.

(01:00:51):
But I'm worried it's more of a cultural Christianity rather
than a heart change, because it's like a trend, it's
a vibe. Yes, I do think a lot of it is,
like I want structure, I want rules, I want religion,
and how much of that is actually translating over to
authentic relationships with Jesus. Like, I'm happy about it because
if it means that they are getting into church and
they are getting into the Word, that's the pipeline to

(01:01:13):
get them into relationship into it's you know, true saving
knowledge of Christ.

Speaker 4 (01:01:19):
So good.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
But yes, just because there's more streams of Christian music
does not mean there are actually more like true disciples
of Christ. But we can certainly be hopeful and pray
about that. But also that the excellence of the music.

Speaker 4 (01:01:36):
More more and more.

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
Large churches are putting more resources toward really excellent music.
I'm finding myself enjoying listening to worship music in a
way that I haven't, you know, in years and years,
because it's actually good and it's actually fun to listen

(01:01:59):
to and as opposed to just kind of some.

Speaker 4 (01:02:02):
Of the three chord overly simplistic.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
Yeah, yeah, Princess says, the seed that fell on rocky
soil receives the Word with gladness, but when trouble comes, Yes,
that that is on one hundred percent a concern a
concern here, And I'm not here to judge anyone's faith.
I'm interested to see God continue to work with Forest
Frank and what comes of it. But I wanted to

(01:02:30):
go back to one of the earlier videos because I
do think here's my kind of conclusion. Yes, I think
Forrest legitimately got the fracture that he said he got
that that that the but that he kind of overblew
it into the I broke my back thing and I'm
going to be laid up for months thing when it

(01:02:53):
is reasonable that those kind of very minor fractures of
that type do heal really quickly. That I think that
he's grasping for miracles and the positivity probably did really
help him, and he's a very healthy dude.

Speaker 4 (01:03:06):
I feel like people who exaggerate a lot have a
kind of a loose relationship with the truth.

Speaker 11 (01:03:11):
It's not necessarily lying, but sometimes it's like, yeah, far
enough from the truth that it kind of is functionally sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
I think he has a very loose definition of miracle.
I am not going to doubt here that God was
working in the situation and in his life. He's clearly
thinking a lot about God. He's looking for God's work
in his life. I think that he has an active
relationship with Jesus. I think that there may be some

(01:03:37):
like immaturity to it and like aggressively positive in ways
that like aren't super authentic, and.

Speaker 11 (01:03:44):
Needing God to be working in big ways in his
life for it to be for God to be working
at all, versus like there might be some unseen benefit
and I just don't know it yet.

Speaker 4 (01:03:50):
I don't know the story yet.

Speaker 11 (01:03:51):
He's too quick to try to have the narrative of
why this happened right in the moment that it is happening.
It's about the story about the things that of just existing.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
And I do have question a little bit if if
God really told him you should get a bunch of
camera equipment and start filming every moment of everything or
of your recording process, because that maybe, But that also
sounded a.

Speaker 4 (01:04:14):
Little bit like I don't remember that Bible verse so.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
Right, and like God can lead somebody to do something,
but like that just felt like something that sounded more
like it came out of his own head, as something
he wanted to do as opposed to actually being from God.

Speaker 4 (01:04:28):
For me, as like as I'm writing, like God said,
it almost sounds like did God.

Speaker 11 (01:04:31):
Write scriptures for you, like you're writing a new verse
and the verses by cameras.

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
So often when we think God has told us something,
we need to kind of check ourselves of, like was
that God?

Speaker 4 (01:04:40):
Or is that like today?

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
Today?

Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
I was going back and it was actually really funny
because I was at the park and I was like,
should I do another loop? The boys are really calm,
and I'm not sure whether or not I should do
another loop, and I kind of felt like I shouldn't
do another loop. But then but I was like, but
why would I waste this wonderful day? And the boys
are being really good? And then I really regretted doing
another loop. And then as I was leaving the park,

(01:05:03):
I was like.

Speaker 4 (01:05:04):
I, you know, I really want to go get Chick
fil A or I really feel like I should go
get Chick fil A, And but I don't want the
boys crying in the vehicle while I'm in the drive through,
because that is so awful.

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
And so I was like, is God tell me to
go get Chick fil A or should I? Or am
I just thinking this because I want Chick fil A?
And I felt like, actually, with that one, I should
have gone to get Chick fil A, because what happened
was I got home and I tried to put Esau
down for his nap, and I he wouldn't go down
because he had slept in the wagon because I walked

(01:05:39):
with him too long, and I made food and then
I couldn't eat it, and I was really hungry, like
kind of feeling faint hungry, and I was like dealing
with Esau until like it was really here for a
long time, trying to get him down for a nap.
And I was like, if I had just not walked
the extra loop and gone to Chick fil A, my

(01:05:59):
day I would have felt a lot smoother. And I
wonder if like God had actually But I struggled with
that because I'm like, did God say it?

Speaker 4 (01:06:07):
Or do I just watch it play?

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
But anyway, all that to say, one, it's hard to
hear God's voice even if you want to, especially when
you're like.

Speaker 4 (01:06:18):
Am I just doing what I want to do? Or it?

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
But I do wonder if the miracle here was for
the fakes, because they seem really they do. They do
seem really genuine, and they seem really special. And I
want to play that particular verse that they wrote again
that I think it's just was really sweet, and we'll.

Speaker 4 (01:06:42):
End with this.

Speaker 11 (01:06:43):
So I don't like I like his teeth like they
have character. I get this, it's broken, but like it
works for his face.

Speaker 4 (01:06:48):
Yeah yeah, all right, yeah, well we'll end with this,
you guys, because I think it's really I like this
verson I was really encouraging.

Speaker 14 (01:06:55):
Rank so that you wanted us to write a verse
for your song. We've been cooking a little bit, we've
finished had.

Speaker 4 (01:07:00):
I think it's so like sugar Cane.

Speaker 5 (01:07:03):
Let me just show you.

Speaker 14 (01:07:03):
It'll be actually easier to explain if I.

Speaker 17 (01:07:05):
Just sugar came on the summer day, and my Jesus,
better than the words I could ever say. I promise
that the great, great good would come along. Because if
life is always easy, probably doing something.

Speaker 2 (01:07:22):
That line is really good. Yeah, if life is always easy,
probably doing something right. And I feel first Frank is
trying to make life always easy.

Speaker 4 (01:07:28):
Yeah. Yeah, if you're positive enough, flight will be easy.
You've earned your way on the trail already. But yeah, yeah,
he comforts in the sorrow, he's giving in the lots.

Speaker 13 (01:07:38):
He stole, the shame I carry them, worrying on the
cross providing man on today I'm trying to give me Jesus.

Speaker 2 (01:07:55):
You for I also that line Mana for today, and
that lesson that comes from Mana where it's new every morning.
The manna comes every morning, but you don't get to
keep it over, like you don't get to save up Mana.

Speaker 4 (01:08:09):
God is just providing what you need every day and
what he like you don't.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
If you try to use what he provided yesterday, it's
gonna be moldy, you know. It's the point is to
rely on Him every day. And so it feels like
the Figs get it. They made it about the Cross,
they made it about God comforting and sorrow. They made
it about how life shouldn't be easy for Christians and
that we've been promised trials and that we've been like
we're supposed to expect these things. And so yeah, Sato says,

(01:08:39):
damn it, it bangs.

Speaker 4 (01:08:41):
I get chills with that. First. I love this. I
really do love this song. I've been listening to it
a bunch, and I wonder if the miracle is for
the figs and and what God is doing is trying
to teach for something that he'll continue to be teaching.

Speaker 5 (01:08:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:08:57):
Also side note, I have found when there's like a
it's not high concept when there when there's like a
specific concept song like I think another example is like
watermelon sugar or whatever. The phrase begins to make me
irrationally angry after repeated enough, like now I like it's
too tightly focused on the lemonade as a concept, and
now it's just like irritating.

Speaker 4 (01:09:19):
Now you hate lemonade. Yeah, it's like.

Speaker 11 (01:09:21):
If you if you had mentioned lemonade like once in
the song, I would not have had an issue with it.

Speaker 4 (01:09:26):
This is just this is like a me.

Speaker 11 (01:09:27):
This is like getting a blister issue from like wrapping
the same spot too many times. Anyway, I'm not that
actually emotional about it, but it is. I've noticed it's
peppeep of mine over excuse I'm talking anyway.

Speaker 4 (01:09:38):
Well, anyways, I hope you guys enjoy this. Hope you
guys enjoyed the discussion.

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
I feel like I landed somewhere, landed on a conclusion
where I don't hate for us.

Speaker 4 (01:09:47):
I don't think he was like lying. I don't think
this miracle was faked. But there's like a an air
of an authenticity, there's an air of exaggeration. There's, yeah,
a little smarmy little little you know, manipulated the narrative,
and I think a lot of it has to do
with what he needs it to be for his own
faith to work. And that's something that God's going to
have to deal with him with and help. So thank

(01:10:10):
you guys for enjoying this episode. I really wanted to
talk about it. I hope you guys have a really
great week and make love Day.

Speaker 3 (01:11:01):
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