Leviticus and Hebrews: Part Six

In tonight’s Bible Study we read and discuss Hebrews chapters 8 and Leviticus chapters 17-18. We hope you are blessed by the conversation.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:51):
Hello, and welcome to No Wrong Questions Bible Study Pod.
You called it No Wrong Questions Podcast, and I like
that better, I think, because I think Bible study implies
something that this isn't and this is more of you've
never better been here before, which would be weird, not

(01:11):
very weird, but like we're right in the middle of
Welcome to the Middle, Welcome to the Middle. We read
every verse, we talk about it, and we're not mattles,
go have Bible teachers. Just just talking about it with
you guys. Yea, for now, these are pre recorded. Love
to see you in the live chats when we when
we're able to see you. Unfortunately, for me, my two

(01:32):
boys bedtime is like six thirty at this point. Yes,
I have a really hard time getting I begin their
bedtime at six thirty, really hard time getting into the
chat with you guys. Lately. She hits you guys. It
is because I hate you guys. All right, Liz, will
you pray for us before we get going. Oh Jesus,
thank you so much for your word. Thank you for
allowing us to be free to discuss it on I

(01:54):
know I asked. I thank you for that a lot,
but I'm still thankful for it, and I yes that
you just made to start to people's hearts. Help us
to see what you have to say, help us to
not fall into error or to lead anyone else into
air place off was hell to be edified, and draw
closer to you through this. And I pray if there's
anyone listening who's not saved, that they will be saved,
and that you would draw them to your heart. And
I listen to this name, Amen, I say bold prayer

(02:18):
for Adicus. Bible study, Liz Stranger. Things have happened. Probably
I can certainly certainly do it. You get saved because
you read Leviticus, either because of this or previously. Just
tell me, I want to know. I will. Yeah, really,
you know, anyone, I just realized that I didn't pull
up the chapters of Okay, so Hebrews that I'm proud of

(02:39):
you eight because it was a mistake. We're going to
be in Hebrews eight. And then when we get over
to le Vecas, it's going to be Leviticus seventeen. That
was not actually that hard to set up. Okay, So
what we'll do, as we usually do, we do one
or two chapters of Hebrews and then we do as
many chapters of Leviticus as it takes to round out
the hour. Hebrews eight. This is We've said it before

(03:02):
and I'll keep saying it. Uh, the most difficult linguistically
book in the Bible. It is the highest flutinist Greek
Attic Greeks up in the attic, right, it's not quite Attic,
but it's the highest level of coin A. It's it's starting, yeah,
it's starting to creep up into Attic a little bit.

(03:25):
It's it's certainly the most intellectual book of the Bible,
written at the highest reading level of the entire of
the entire Bible. So it's like if coign A is
eighth grade reading level, this is ninth grade. Sure, that's
what you need, okay, Verse one of chapter eight. Now,

(03:46):
the point in what we are saying is this, we
have such a high priest. Okay. So that feels like
we need to go back and remind ourselves of talking
about in the line of most Chizdek rather than in
the lividical. Whereas in Levitical you get to do daily
offerings for themselves and then for the people, Jesus doesn't
have to do offerings for himself and once and for

(04:06):
all for the people. That we have that kind of
high priest, I think what I'll do is start in
Hebrews seven, verse twenty six, and just kind of flow through.
For it was indeed fitting that we should have such
a high priest, holy, innocent, unstained, separated from sinners, and
exalted above the heavens. Of course, we're talking about Jesus.
He has no need like those high priests to offer
sacrifices daily, first for his own sins and then for

(04:28):
those of the people, since he did this once for
all when he offered up himself. For the Law appoints
men in their weakness as high priest, but the word
of the Oath, which came later than the law, appoints
a son who has been made perfect forever. Now, the
point in what we are saying is this, we have
such a high priest, one who is seated at the
right hand of the throne of the Majesty, and having
a minister in the holy places in the true tent

(04:50):
that the Lord set up, not man tent, being a
reference to the original Tabernacle, which was a tent, as
opposed to Solomon's temple, which is built later or the
second temple, these buildings, but the first the first was
a tent, the true tent that the Lord set up,
not man. For every high priest is appointed to offer
gifts and sacrifices. Thus it is necessary for this priest

(05:12):
also to have something to offer. Now, if he were
on earth, he would not be a priest at all.
Since there are priests who offer gifts according to the law,
they serve a copy and a shadow of the heavenly things.
For when Moses was about to erect the tent, he
was instructed by God saying, see that you make everything
according to the pattern that was showing you on the mountain.
But as it is, Christ has obtained a ministry that
is as much more excellent than the old as the

(05:35):
covenant he mediates is better since it is enacted on
better promises. I know the pattern who was shown on
the mountain. Was he just given a glimpse into heaven,
like how heaven is laid out? I wonder, I wonder,
very likely. I think at least he was given images
like verbal description. Yes, But also it seems in Exodus,

(05:59):
where it's talking through it seems that he also sees, yeah,
something because I always thought like, if I follow the
verbal directions, I probably wouldn't accomplish what was pictured. Because yeah,
verse seven, For if that first covenant had been faultless,
there would have been no occasion to look for a second.
For he finds fault with them when he says, behold,

(06:22):
the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will
establish a new covenant with the House of Israel and
with the House of Judah, not like the covenant that
I made with their fathers on the day that when
I took them by the hand to bring them out
of the land of Egypt. For they did not continue
in my covenant, and so I showed no concern for them,
declares the Lord. For this is the covenant that I
will make with the House of Israel after those days,
declares the Lord. I will put my law into their

(06:43):
minds and write them on their hearts. I will be
their God, and they shall be my people. And they
shall not teach each one his neighbor and each one
his brother, saying no, the Lord, for they shall all
know me, from the least of them to the greatest.
For I will be merciful toward their iniquities, and I
will remember their sins. No more things about this prophecy.
Number one, it's from Jeremiah thirty one. Number two. This

(07:09):
is this is not about the Church. This is about Israel.
It's very clear there's this huge push in a lot
of Christian circles to say, oh, no, no, no, the Church
is Israel. We were grafted into Israel. But promises like
this that were made to Israel, we're not secretly for
the Church. I find the idea that God sneakily gave

(07:35):
a prophecy to Israel, but doesn't have to fulfill it
to the people he gave it to because he changed
the definition of what Israel was. That's like a human
would Yeah, that's that's that's human, crappy lawyer stuff. That's
not how God operates. That's that's dishonest. That's what I
would do if I were trying to prove that I

(07:56):
had legitimate line to the throne, like I don't know
I was. I'm part of the family. Yeah. Also, the
distinction of the House physical and the House of Judah.
We don't claim that we replaced Judas, So what's this
distinction here, right right? Yeah, that he's specifically specifically talking
about Israel, and he's saying, I will put my laws
into their minds and write them on their hearts, and

(08:17):
I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
At first, this sounds like the work of the Holy
Spirit and conscience, and I think it is. But then
he goes further. It goes beyond that too. And they
shall not teach each one's neighbor, and each one his
brother is saying, no, the Lord, for they shall all
know me. We are called as believers, with the Holy
Spirit in our hearts, teaching us the things of God,

(08:40):
to go and preach the Gospel. So we're talking this
prophecy from Jeremiah is talking about something even beyond that,
where people just know God. They don't have to be told,
they just know. There's a fullness in a completeness. It's
like now we see through a mirraor but dimley. But
then we shall see face to face. It's like they're
at the face to face thing. Yeah, for I will

(09:00):
be merciful toward their niquis, and I will remember their
sins no more. This is this is a full restoration
of Israel Romans eleven comparison type of a Prophecy's really
beautiful and I love it. Verse thirteen. And speaking of
a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And
what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to

(09:22):
vanish away. And I think, if I'm understanding correctly, it's
not vanishing away because he hasn't fulfilled. It's that it's
being fulfilled and being also subsumed by the new one
broader right, like obsolete like not. It's not that the
iPhone went away, it's that the iPhone eight is so
much better than the iPhone one. And I think also

(09:44):
this testifies against the high idea of replacement theory, of like,
we're not being added on to this old covenant, getting
these promises, these promises are obsolete, and that new things
are not being added to the plan, to the phone plan,
if you will. And there's new phone plans available that
are better. But there's who you know, what this one
get what was promised to them? Yeah and more? Yeah,

(10:05):
I know, And that works all right? Well, that was
all of Hebrews eight Leviticus seventeen. So we're talking about
where we have been talking about STDs. I think, but
I forget if that we did SDDS and we did
the day of a toneent, so I think we're talking
about the heading. Here is the place of sacrifice, so

(10:26):
we'll see. And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, speak
to Aaron and his sons, and to all the people
of Israel, and say to them, this is the thing
that the Lord has commanded. If anyone of the House
of Israel kills an ox or a lamb or a
goat in the camp, or kills an outside the camp,
it does not bring it to the entrance of the
tent of meeting to offer it as a gift to
the Lord. In front of the tabernacle of the Lord.
Blood guilt shall be imputed to that man he has

(10:46):
shed blood, and that man shall be cut off from
among his people. This is to the end that the
people of Israel may bring their sacrifices that they sacrifice
in the open field, that they may bring them to
the Lord, to the priests or the entrance of the
tent of meeting, and sacrifice them as sacrifices of peace
offerings to the Lord. And the priest shall throw the
blood on the altar of the Lord at the entrance
of the tentive meeting, and burn the fat for a
pleasing aroma to the Lord. So they shall no more

(11:08):
sacrifice or sacrifices to goat demons after whom they wore.
This shall be a statue forever for them throughout their generations.
Two things that I can here. First of all, I
can call people horse because it's typical. I'm kidding, Yeah,
isn't may Well, Yeah, they were sacrificing to goat demons,
Like even as they're being led out of Egypt and

(11:28):
following God, they're like making sacrifices long the wait, just
in case, but also goat demon. I wonder if there's
some tying to aazel it's being returned to. I feel
like your thoughts. I'll let you have this. No, I
think you're right with Isaesel, especially since it's following directly
from the David Toman Azazel stuff. Oh I'm the last,
So contextually it makes sense. This my question here, and

(11:51):
maybe I should have looked this up. It kind of
sounds like here, every time they're killing an animal, they
need to bring it to the tented meeting and kill
it as a sacrifice, and that it could be the
type of offering where they get to keep the majority
of the meat and that they're just burning up the
fat and the entrails. But it kind of sounds like here,

(12:16):
if anyone of the House of Israel kills anox or
a lamb or a goat in the camp, or kills
it outside the camp and does not bring it to
the entrance of the tent of meeting to offer it
as a gift to the Lord in front of the
tabernacle of Lord blood, it'll shall be imputed to that
man he has shed blood, and that man shall be
cut off from among his people. That seems pretty clear. Yeah,
And the flip side of that seems to be that

(12:36):
when they're doing their regular slaughtering of the animals, they're
off like when they're failing to bring it to God
and kill it before God, it's going to the goat demon, yeah,
or potentially or slash. And I'm just looking at the
air overviews to take it all with a grain of salt,
but it's seeming to indicate the context of this talking

(13:00):
about the ones they've killed are in the relation of sacrifice,
So every sacrifice had to be done attentive meeting, because
it was a way to ensure that nothing was being
sacrificed to the goat demons. But I think if you
take the broader view of like, any animal you kill
has to be done in the side of God, for
God is a way to ensure that, Like, then we
know if someone's not doing that, it's very clear that
it was to a goat demon. Yeah, and I'm for

(13:21):
the people, I'm wondering, and this is just conjecture. I
wish I had looked this up. You can keep searching
if because once they settle into the Promised Land, because
right now they're in a contained camp, right, everyone has

(13:42):
really close access to the Tabernacle, to the tent of Meeting.
So this is a reasonable rule that anytime you slaughter
an animal, it has to be in front of the
tent of meeting, it has to be in this way.
The fat has to be burned on the altar and
all this stuff. But once they settle in the Promised Land,

(14:06):
everyone is like within a couple of days journey of
the Tabernacle, they and they the temple, I should say,
and they have holidays a couple times a year where
they go up to celebrate those holidays and bring their offerings.
But it whatever this rule is, if it has if

(14:29):
it's then this is the only way you can slaughter.
This it seems to only apply to their being in
the wilderness time. Yeah, it also potentially only applies to
the animals that would be prime for sacrifice. Deuteronomy fifteen two.
If an animal has a defect, is lame or blind,
or has any serious flaw, you must not sacrifice it
to the Lord your god right. You are to eat

(14:49):
it in your own towns.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
I'm confused by this then, so I I mean, if
I'm just going off of like baseline, but no, never mind, Sorry,
Deuteronomy is kind of the reiteration of the law as
applied in the Promised Lane, as opposed to as applied
in the wilderness. But you're still right that they're not
supposed to be sacrificing blemished animals, so they can they

(15:17):
can kill and eat blumished animals. If there's any animal
that would be fit for sacrifice, even if they're just
gonna eat it, I think it still has to be
offered to the Lord.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
I'm just very confused about wording this because the wording
seems to be like anytime, Okay, it's ox or lamar
ago specifically, So those specific ones that are fit for sacrifice. Yeah,
and maybe that's kind of that understanding is baked in
the kind of y'all are in probation a little bit, right,
you can't be trusted right, kind of the same idea

(15:47):
as like the rules around the mana were not breakable,
like God gave them the rules, but like even if
they tried to break them, even if they tried to
gather too much mana, like they couldn't it wouldn't keep
till morning. And maybe this is another one of those
kind of rules where it's like the rules are going
to be extra tight to break you from this habit
of sacrificing to your coat demons. And I also don't

(16:10):
necessarily think it's too honorus of a thing because you're
not necessarily you're not killing animal daily. We're like, oh,
it's it's like, oh my monthly kill, and then you
get help with it from the priest. So yeah, I
imagine this was not that people were like, oh, good
helps slaughtering my annible. And also this way you can't

(16:33):
have like a witch hunt. War was like, well, I
thought Jedadaya, I don't know why his name was Jedadiah.
That's not Jewish, but anyway I saw him sacrificing him
a go Damon, and Jeddi is like, well, I was
just making hot dugs from a cow. But I can't
prove that. Yeah, because it's your body here. Yeah, I
don't know. Verse eight, and you shall say to them
anyone in the House of Israel or of the strangers
who sojourn among them, who offers a burnt offering or sacrifice,

(16:55):
and does not bring it to the entrance of the
tent of meaning to offer it to the Lord, that
man shall be cut off from his people. So that
first seems more clearly like, yeah, don't act like you're
just going over I'm like, oh, I swear it's to
the Lord. It's over here. Like when you're offering a
sacrifice to God, it needs to be in the way
that God told you to sacrificed him. You also can't
act as your own priest. Yeah right. Verse ten, If

(17:18):
any one of the House of Israel or of the
strangers who sojourn among them eats any blood, I will
set my face against that person who eats blood, and
will cut him off from among his people. So Edward
isn't going to heaven. Correct, Okay? For the life of
the flesh is in the blood, and I have given
it for you on the altar to make atonement for
your souls, for it is the blood that makes atonement

(17:38):
by the life. I think this is really interesting because
they wouldn't have known this medically, but life at this
point is understood to be like the breath of life
that yeah, oxygen in particular, and the blood is what
carries oxygen to the different parts of our body that
need it. So when it says the life of the

(17:59):
flesh is in the blood, it's it's crackt. No blood,
no life. But they wouldn't have known that. But also
I think there's more to it in some way, like
I do too. Uh if like you've got your soul
and your body and then your spirit rises in the
highways of your blood and you could actually drink someone's spirit.
M But then we go back to kind of what

(18:22):
we were talking about in the episode. We just refer
to having day, which we haven't talked about with you guys,
that the spirit and the breath of God are synonymous,
which is what I was trying to say. Yes, it's
like you're trying to you're trying to eat the breath
of God from someone else, that's a big no no,
even from an animal. M it does seem like so
I always was taught that, like, you know, animals don't

(18:43):
go to Heaven, they go to the Earth. I think
there is a first that kind of indicates that. But
there is a way that, like, animals aren't just set dressing,
like we can't eat their blood. It's not like, oh,
they do have meaning. Yeah, they're not people, but they
they're not nothing. Yeah. Well, I think I think the
idea is if I, if I understand correctly and that

(19:06):
animals have body and spirit, they have breath of God.
Humans have body and soul and spirit, but breath of
God spirit is still a meaningful thing. Yeah, And it's
like it's in some respects like respecting the office of president,

(19:26):
even if the president himself sucks. Sure of, Like, if
God's breath is in this thing, you better respect. Yeah,
even if it's boots and he's a jerk. I do
think it's interesting. More cat slander. No, it's dogslander previously.
That's true. That's true. It was dogslander in the other

(19:47):
episode in the beginning, no one was eating animals, Yes,
and it was a really big deal that God killed
an animal to clothe Adam and even to cover their sin.
And in the beginning, the only time you were killing
an animal was for sacrifice to God. That was the
first thing, right, And then after the flood. It's not

(20:08):
until after the flood that God says, these animals are
for eating. You can eat these animals, and I'm going
to put fear of you into them. So like this
simultaneous making it fair to the animals that like, they're
not gonna have the same relationship with the Dodos used

(20:29):
to have except for the Dodas. Now they're going to
run when they see you because you're gonna eat them.
Side note, So if animals are kept alive by the
breath of God, say that's in the blood. So God
was already sacrificing his breath for us by instituting sacrifice
of animals. MM, every single sacrifice was literally a pre

(20:53):
type of him sacrificing himself in his entirety. Because if
you understand that crucifixion as a method of killing was torture,
but the way that it killed you was asphyxiation because
you would reach a point where you couldn't push up
to get air anymore. So, Yeah, it's very it's really

(21:13):
interesting observation hairless. But that's where we paid whole packet
of guys potatoes. That's why we paid her today. Anyway, Liz,
he's a snack from my house. Yeah, that's your payment.
Don't do two snacks for that one stack per show. Ah, Okay.

(21:40):
For the life of the fleshes and the blood, and
I have given it for you on the altar to
make Yeah, I have given it. I have given the life. Yeah,
I have given it to make a toet for your souls.
For it is the blood that makes a toement by
the life. Therefore, I have said to the people of Israel,
no person in you shall eat blood. Neither shall any

(22:01):
stranger who sojourns among you eat blood. Anyone also of
the people of Israel, or of the strangers who sojourn
among them, who takes in hunting, any beast or bird
that maybe eat, and shall pour out its blood and
cover it with earth. For the life of every creature
is its blood. It's blood is its life. Therefore I
have said to the people of Israel, you shall not
eat the blood of any creature, For the life of

(22:22):
every creature is its blood. Whoever eats it shall be
cut off. And every person who eats what dies of
itself or what is torn by beasts, whether he is
a native or a sojourn or he shall wash his
clothes and bathe himself in water and be unclean until
the evening. Then he shall be clean. But if he
does not wash them or bathe his flood, he shall
bear his iniquity. I also like it might be coo
bling because there's not a lot of places for the
blood to go. But I think that is there. I

(22:43):
wonder if there's anything significant about like the blood has
to return to the earth, it has to all go
back to the earth. Hmmm, or if that's just like
where else would it go the sky? Like levitating blood? Well,
what we gonna say? Maybe this may be a food
safety issue of like don't put it in the water,
like don't put it like a phone call. Yeah, yeah,
I don't. I don't know. Yeah, there's like a proper

(23:09):
disposal of this. Oh, go ahead to the ground like
dust for dust. You are into dust, you will return.
I wonder for something in there, but that's what I
was thinking, okay, but also a more morbid thought, what
if all the blood that it soaks into the earth
just like slowly seeps downward. It doesn't dissipate, doesn't dry out.
It just the earth is just at the core is
just filled with like hot blood. Wow, liss, No, there

(23:34):
is something interesting about that. Hmm. There's because like blood
calls up from the ground. We're gonna talk about that
in our next not not the one, you guys gonna
say it for the next after. Yeah, like Cane's able's
blood calling out from the ground, and Jesus is blood
speaking about our word because it's God's breath. And God's
breath is the same thing that creates, like his word

(24:00):
which created everything. So there's stuff, there's something. There's stuff there.
There's stuff there. But we'll talk about it more stuff, Okay,
let's see. Oh, unlawful sexual relations. Don't sound too excited.
I'm more like, you know, it looks like you're gonna

(24:20):
hate this one. And the Lord spoke to Moses things,
speak to the people of Israel and say to them,
I am the lorder God. You shall not do as
they do in the land of Egypt, where you lived,
And you shall not do as they do in the
land of Canaan to which I am bringing you. You
shall not walk in their statutes. You shall follow my rules.
So keep my statutes and walk in them. I am
the Lord your God. You shall therefore keep my statutes
and my rules. If a person does them, he shall

(24:40):
live by them. I am the Lord. I think it's
it's it's always very tempting for churches to conform to
the culture that they're in. And I think that things
like modesty are in large part defined by the culture.
That the culture you're in kind of determines what is

(25:01):
a sexual symbol and what's not, and then you need
to conform along those lines. So there's there's ways that
culture informs like the meaning of something where like if
I'm in a culture where showing my hair is a
sign of sexual availability, then of then to be modest
would be to cover my And there's like there's one
culture I forget where it's some sort of European one

(25:22):
where to shave your legs in the case you're prostitute.
Oh yeah, so definitely. Yeah, Like modesty is a is
a heart issue and the culture is going to inform.
But for for most things, you shouldn't be letting the
culture that you're in determine what rules you follow in

(25:45):
the world, but not of it. Yes, with modesty, it's
kind of like a you follow the rule and the
culture is going to help inform like how exactly, how
did how to be moderled, how to be honest? What
is it? What? What that means? Because modesty is for
other people, so how something affects them, it's going to

(26:06):
be informed by culture anyway. That is way too much
on that. But God's saying, like, you have an example
of Egypt. You're coming out of the Egypt example, and
I don't want you to be like them. I'm giving
you rules that are not like them, and you're going
into a place and I don't want you to be
like them either. And I think that that as churches,

(26:26):
we there are so many things where're like it's not fair,
we're like alienated from the people around us, non threatening
or yeah, or like why do you have to be
all holier than that? Why do you you know being
worse out of part than them is the point? Why
are you judgemental? But God's like, no, I want to
give you a better way. I don't want you to

(26:47):
be like them. I want to give you a better
way because I'm your God. Also side note, because I
was thinking about this the other day in relation to that,
why do you have to be so judgmental? I think
this is an example of people adding something onto or
adding something onto a topic. So if I say X,
YFA thing is sinful and if you are doing it,

(27:09):
you're sinning, that's actually not passing any judgment. That's stating
a simple fact. Judgment would be saying and therefore I
am sending you to hell for that. Yeah, Like, if
it were up to me, outsid you till I think
there's there's more to it than that. But like, it
is not judgmental to say what you are doing is wrong.
It would be I think judgmental to say you're doing
it wrong because you have a bad heart and because
you have a bad personality and you suck as a person.

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You're judging the thoughts and intentions of their heart. Yes,
But to say we are allowed to call sins in, yes,
and to say that you're being judgmental for that is incorrect. Yeah.
Uh yeah, Okay, let's see six for six. This is
the good stuff. Guys. None of you shall approach anyone

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of his close relatives to uncover nakedness. Of course, uncovering
nakedness is a euphimism for sexual activity. I'm just like, oh, oh, well,
I am the Lord. You shall not uncover the nakedness
of your father, which is the nakedness of your mother.
She is your mother. You shall not uncover her nakedness.
Don't sleep with your mom. You shall not uncover the

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nakedness of your father's wife. It is your father's nakedness.
Don't sleep like even if she's not your mom, if
even if your father remarried after having you, don't sleep
with her. Yes, you shall not uncover the nakedness of
your father's Oh sorry, You shall not uncover the nakedness
of your sister, your father's daughter or your mother's daughter,
whether brought up in the family or in another home.
So I love the specificity, like, it does not matter

(28:34):
she's your half sister, It does not matter she's another
another home. Do not do it like I should even
have to say this, guys. I do think it's interesting.
This another home piece is making it really clear that
the issue is genetic. And they would not know this, yes,
the issue, because they would be like I think they
would be like, oh, yeah, like it's weird. I grew

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up Okay, I don't know how this culture thought of it,
but the way that we think of it is like, oh,
it's weird if we grew up in the same place. Yes,
but it's it's weird because genetically and I think that
what is happening here because in God understands what's going
on scientifically in such a big way. And I think
that the progression here is interesting. That God never changes there,

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but because humanity changes and Earth changes, there are times
where God updated rules to reflect what was going on,
degrading danna ansc Right. So in the beginning, like there
was just Adam and Eve and Adam and Neve's children,
and they all married each other. They had to. They
had to, like there was somebody else. But also there
was nothing wrong with that or even weird about that,

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because one there wasn't another option to compare it to.
So they weren't like, who my sister, Like, I can't
marry you, We're gonna have all the human rights die. Right.
It's only when there are other options that it becomes
weirder to marry a close relative. And then when you
get to Abraham, Abraham's married to his half sister. But

(30:05):
when you get here, it's like, nope, no more, no
more sisters, no more. And so God's updating this to
say no more sisters, no more aunts, no more close
relatives like this. And then we get obviously God didn't
directly do this, but we get to medieval Europe and

(30:26):
we start to realize, okay, we're having some problems with
the cousin marrying. Yeah, because we start to see the
medical issues with cousin marrying. And so now we have
our own like cultural laws against marrying cousins, expect in
like West Virginia. I think you can or knows if
there's one of the states. I remember this because the
pastor at one of my churches said it and someone cheered.

(30:49):
I was like, why did you just cheer in church?
Or being able to marry our cousins? Oh, like I
think I says a joke, but I'm not sure. Yeah,
but like we've kind of and now I think that
we should probably start to make some laws against second
cousins because because the DNA is degrading well side note
here a lot of Palestinian propaganda they'll have like a

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twisted malnourished shriveled person with a bunch of other like fat,
healthy people being like, look at this person who's starving,
And it's often because they do a lot of incest,
and this is the genetic perversion that results. And they're
using that for propaganda to claim as a stuffing person.
But it's just because they're in bread. Yeah. But also
I think I agree one hundred percent in terms of
the genetics, but I think there is a moral development

(31:31):
here in terms of I am creating stronger safeguards around
the family. The rules are more clearly defined, Yes, to
protect the family, because even just if you're just looking
at it from the genetic standpoint, you could still be like, oh, gee,
I wish I could marry her, and you're not even
supposed to want to do that. You're not supposed to

(31:51):
see these people in a certain way. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah,
Like what Absolute did was really evil. Yeah, with his sister.
That's in your Second Samuel if you want to if
you're curious about that story. It's not a fun story.
But also the Bible talks about like something then becomes

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it until the law and then it became sinner. Isn't
like that. I'm quoting badly. Yeah. I think once God
was like, don't do these things. The devil was like, oh,
what if I make this like a twisted thing and
right and pervert it more? Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, yes,
where where we were, we were we ten Verse ten.

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You shall not uncover the nakedness of your son's daughter
or of your daughter's daughter, for their nakedness is your
own nakedness. You shall not uncover the nakedness of your
father's wife, wife's daughter brought up in your father's family,
since she's your sister. You shall not uncover the nakedness
of your so like a step I do think it's saying, right,

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a step sister is your sister. Yeah, it's got to
be your father, your father's wife's daughter brought up in
your father's family, since she's your sister. Yeah, that's a stepdaughter. Yeah.
You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father's sister.
She is your father's relative. You shall not uncover the
nakedness of your mother's sister, for she is your mother's relative.
I want to go back to this one thing. You
shall not uncover the nakedness of your son's daughter or

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of your daughter's daughter for their nakedness is your own nakedness.
That line is so fascinating because it's like you are
you're harming your own line. You're harming your own like
this is this is wrong. It's a sin against yourself
almost in your Yeah, because the genetics have already been

(33:38):
dilated through you, and then you're going to dilute them further.
It's actually worse, I think than going back up to
the source and getting more genetic material. Yeah, right, I think.
So there's a case the Whittaker family in West Virginia
who are severely inbred. They had like twins marrying multiple
times in or something like that, Like they're so inbread.

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The current generation one guy just like only barks. These
people of speech, they're all like severely retarded. They're interesting.
You should look them up now. Now, I gotta wonder,
like what if what if one of the causes of autism.
I think there's a lot of causes of autism, because
autism's like got a lot of it's a big umbrella. Yeah,
but you gotta wonder if some of it's like genetic degradation,

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where it's like maybe we shouldn't be marrying second cousins.
Maybe we should be all twenty three and being very
carefully or I think there's a level of inbreeding. I
know there's a level of inbreeding that's happening with IVF
that people don't realize. With donors, it was the same donors,
and it's there are supposed to be limits in place
so that doesn't happen. But there was one guy who
like fathered like one hundred people that way. Yeah, I

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think every time we do something it's a faustian bargain.
I should have clarified more, but like I feel like
every time we do something is a fastiest bargain. It
just works. Also, yes, okay, let's see, you shall uh
not uncover the nakedness of your father's brother. That is,
you shall not which his wife she is your aunt,
so that even when you're not related, so go ahead, Yeah, yes,

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even when you're not related. There's also like there's a
couple of different things happening. There's there's the scientific genetic thing,
but there's also like you said, like these are roles
like you should not be sleeping with your aunt period,
like even if she divorced your brother, yeah, or your
brother died yeah, or your father's probably, I mean, yeah,

(35:29):
there's a certain spiritual hierarchy. Yeah, it's in this idea
of like the nakedness the nakedness of your father's brother.
The nakedness of his wife is the nakedness of your
father's brother. So this this kind of idea that in

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the metaphor here that when you approach the wife, you
are uncovering the nakedness of the husband because there are
one flush, because there're one flesh, and and just like
there's a spiritual and physical significance to doing these things,
and God's like stap. Yeah. And also it's because it's
interesting because it could just be like, don't go after

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anyone who's married, but there's there's like more like additional Yeah, yeah,
specifically these close family members m because you're supposed to
be honoring like these roles. You were right in saying
that sometimes verse fifteen, you shall not uncover the nakedness

(36:35):
of your daughter in law, she's your son's wife. You
shall not uncover her nakedness. For sixteen, you shall not
uncover the nakedness of your brother's wife. It is your
brother's nakedness. There is something about like I've heard multiple
Creddit stories and takeing bak stories of like I found
out my husband was cheating on me with my mom.
There is nothing that tears a family apart more than that. Yeah, yeah,
that sort of thing, now, I don't think. So you

(36:57):
shall not uncover the nakedness of your rose wife. It
is your brother's nakedness. Obviously, this does not This no
longer is apply applies if the brother dies, because that
that law is still in that idea. The kinsman redeemer
is still in place in Ruth, I believe unless the
direct no no, because it's also presented to Jesus, yeah,

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that a bunch of different brothers marry the same woman. Okay, yeah,
so I think it must be in that respect. It's
like you did not even consider her as a as
a dating material because you would so shame your brother
by doing that. Also, if you're free and he does,
you could be your brother in that capacity, I guess. Yeah,
well that's that's the idea. In that situation that you

(37:43):
are being your brother, you are giving her a child
with your brother's last ye. Yeah. And also like if
you were to sleep with your brother's wife while he
is living and she gets pregnant suddenly you have hijacked
his family line, Like his firstborn is your first born.
That's like you've right subsumed your brother. Yeah. These yeah,
these are high, high crimes. These. I think part of

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what's being said here is that like these are, like
you said, more serious than just sleeping with any random
married persons. Like that's already a serious thing to break
someone's marriage, but to do it within your own family
is really wicked, way more like ripples. I think this section,
what was the section titled at the beginning, it's not

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super unlawful sexual relations. I feel like, instead of shod
just don't be a pervert. Don't be a pervert. Uh okay.
You shall not uncover the nakedness of your brother's wife.
It is your brother's nakedness. So I guess the idea is,
if your brother dies, she's no longer your brother's wife. Yeah, okay,
you shall not uncover the nakedness of a woman and

(38:47):
of her daughter. So you can't have multiple generations within
a family. Yeah, even if one. I think a lot
of this is like even if one die, Like there's
a certain respect for the stratification of the Mormon John
Smith did this by the way he slept with a
woman and her daughter, So a lot of issues for

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the Mormons. Uh, if you're watching this, that's a pretty direct,
clear violation. I also think it's worth noting like he
can have to be a prophet. Prophets in the Bible
were not perverts in any way. It wasn't like, oh,
they were really you know, flowed people like they were
not doing this kind of thing. David, David was a
little bit, but but your offense were not Yeah, he
wasn't like the yeah, yeah. And you shall not take

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her son's daughter or her daughter's daughter to uncover her nakedness.
They are relatives. It is depravity. And you shall not
take a woman as a rival wife to her sister
uncovering her nakedness while her sister is still alive. This
is interesting because this is a this is another update
where Abraham did this. Yeah, Jacob did this. Abraham didn't

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take a rival. I'm sorry, you're right, you're right, Jacob,
Jacob did this, and it cose so much grief, costs,
so much grief. And later on we see that Hannah's
husband had done it, so there are still it goes
on where people in Israel continue to do this and

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get away with it for whatever reason. I wouldn't say
they get away with it. They just don't see the
repercussions until they die. Oh wait, I'm sorry, it is not.
It is not saying you can't take two women. It's
saying you can't take two sisters. Two sisters. Yeah's you're right.
So Hannah's husband did not do al kinda do I'm

(40:38):
trying to say. I was like, maybe I forgot, but
but yeah, I think it is interesting to me that
it doesn't seem like there's any point where polygamy is
strictly disavowed in the Old In the New Testament, there
are regulations, but I think we also do see like
ample ample evidence of why it is just I think

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it was honoring to God. I think the primary and
maybe the only reason why polygamy was allowed for as
long as it was is that it allowed women. It
ensured that even if women outnumbered men in a in
a given generation because of war or anything like, that

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they would be able to get married and taken care
of and be able to have children, and that women
wouldn't be left out in the cold. I think it
was less about God being like, yeah, men can be
gluttons for sexual stuff and women are to stuck with
whatever it was. You know, it was ensuring that women
would be taken care of, But this is here to like,
don't do this cruel thing of marrying two sisters. Also

(41:47):
also potentially if a lot of these men were like
just very I don't know, I'm kind of going on
on a limb here, like a super sex step man, Like,
if you want several wives, you're probably super sex step
so that when I doesn't have to suffer through all
that and that's not her thing. I don't know. Yeah, no,
I think that's that's fair of like you need it

(42:08):
multiple times a day, You're like, have a couple of
different wives, have a rockter. I don't know, Okay, I
think that I this verse is saying to me that
I might have said something wrong in the last episode.
I can't remember what I said about this. But there
was a lot of different rules around menstruation and other stuff,

(42:29):
and I didn't see this particular thing about not being
allowed to sleep with a woman while she was on
her period. But it does say you shall not approach
a woman to uncover her nakedness while she is in
her menstrual uncleanness. It did say I think in the
last one that like if you did, you were unclean.
But I think it's just clarifying. Don't just be like, oh,
I guess I'll be unclean for seven days. It's like,

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you're not allowed to do this. This is white right, Okay, good, good,
good com Yeah, I think that's right. Verse twenty and
you shall not lie sexually with your neighbor's wife and
so make yourself unclean with her. So again it's kind
of broadening out of like don't do it with your
family members. Also, don't go to your neighbor's wife. You
shall not covent the neighbor's oxen and wife and grill.

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You shall not give any of your children to offer
them to moll and so profane the name of your God.
I am the Lord. So child sacrifice bad. We'll be
doing that. And I think this is interesting that this
is in the context of sexual sin. Yeah, it's right
in there. I think Epstein kind of yes. And I
think the idea of like, this is your line. We're

(43:34):
talking about sins against your line. Oh true, Yeah, sins
against your line, sins against the family. Yeah, like you're
supposed to consider your children as like, yeah, it's important
to you, right. You shall not lie with a male
as with a woman. It is an abomination, yep. And
you shall not lie with any animal, and so make
yourself unclean with it. Either shall any woman give herself

(43:55):
to an animal to lie with it. It is perversion.
This is like really clear stuff, guys, Like when there's
a label of like don't fold the stroller, what the
baby's inside? And you know, so it's done it and
that's why it's being said the whole. More and more,
like furries are becoming mainstream in the United States of

(44:15):
like killing stuff where it's we're not quite as a
culture to where we're like actively sleeping with animals. I
think it's probably happening. I'm sure it's happening, but that's
not being like publicized as like I'm a animal sexual.
But it's like people identifying as furries is like one

(44:38):
step away of like I'm an animal and all my
sexual fantasies are about having sex with another animal. Who's
just right now is a human pretending to be an animal.
But we're not very far. Yeah. Also, in whatever time
period it was ages ago, I know, you've heard that,

(45:00):
I'm saying it again. Muslims invented the condom out of
the intestines of a sheep or ago, and then the
British people came along in like sixteen hundreds and improved
that by removing the intestine from the animal. First. Yes,
Islam is so disgusting. Yes, it's so disgusting. They're not

(45:22):
the only culture that screws animals. There's like a I
forget where it is. It's like a South American those
two guys, like the British guys who do like a
car show I forget exactly. It's like a TV show
where they drive around cars do crazy stuff. They once
visited this culture where they're interviewing and they're talking about like, yeah,
we're all we all take our tones with terms of
that animal. It's like how we get our energy off,
and like the talk about like it's super normal, and

(45:42):
they're like laughing at the people for thinking it's weird,
and they were like we're leaving right like right now,
we're going yeah, wow, yeah, really perverted. It's a some
cultures are wrong and bad, so yeah, exactly, Yeah, there
are some things where it's like that's an individual problem.
But I think the individual problems stack up into cultural problems.
And when an entire culture is like, yeah, it's totally normal,

(46:02):
mostly with animals, it's like, that's a really gross discussing culture,
and we should probably not mix with that culture, which
as much as possible, that culture, we can be racist again, absolutely,
and because of the culture. Yeah, it's not because of
the race, not the skin color. Culture is against. It's
okay to be xenophobic. Some cultures screw animals more. First,

(46:25):
pretty four, do not make yourself unclean by any of
these things. For by all these the nations, I am
driving you out before you have become unclean. Isn't the
Bible saying exactly what we were just saying that the nations,
these whole nations, have been become unclean by doing these things,
and the land became unclean so that I punished its iniquity,
and the land vomited out its inhabitants. I think it's

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also worth noting that these things are late stage culture decline,
and it's not long after these things start happening that
God's like, You're done. I do wonder I don't want
to make too much of this because I think that
there's some immigration that's like Irish potato famine, and then
the Irish come here and like fine, but the idea

(47:09):
of like the land vomiting out its inhabitants, and then
what happens when you mass accept inhabitants that have been
vomited out have been vomited out because they were so
unclean that they made the land so unclean that the
land vomited them out. And then you take them into
your own land and they are going to make your
land unclean too. Yeah. Also just like connected, but not

(47:30):
the same. A lot of the people coming from South
America as immigrants are the what are they called inmates,
the like people who are oh like bad offenders who
are being sent up to us by those countries because
they don't want them anymore. Yeah, because it's it's it's
like mass grating is an immigration, but it's actually just
Australia warfare. Yeah, they're they're just using the United States

(47:54):
as a penal colony. They don't want to house their
own criminals anyway, that's we're off track. But verse twenty six.
But you shall keep my statutes and my rules and
do none of these abominations either the native or the
stranger who sojourns among you. For the people of the
land who were before you, did all of these abominations,
so that the land became unclean. Lest the land vomit
you out when you make it unclean, as it vomited

(48:15):
out the nation that was before you. For everyone who
does any of these abominations, the persons who do them
shall be cut off from among their people. So keep
my charge never to practice any of these abominable customs
that were practiced before you, and never to make yourselves
unclean by them. I am the Lord your God. So
another thing is because the culture is very big on

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like we're destroying the world and global warming is happening,
and the earth is getting destroyed out from beneath us,
and it's like, well, maybe we're reaching a point where
the entire earth is going to vomit out all of
us because we're so degraded. It's not about what we've
done to the environment. That's a reflection of the deep
sin and stuff that is. Yeah, I do think it's

(48:58):
also of note that like that whole chapter was, like
you said, late stage cultural decline stuff, that that whole
category was that and God warned his rib about it,
and indeed the land did vomit them out. Yeah, I'm sorry,
and they were scattered among the nations, and God is

(49:19):
in the process now bringing them back like he said
that he would in a variety of different places, notably
Ezekiel that we have read on the channel before. But
it's like it was a significant vomiting to the point
where what only two dribes are accounted for. So it's
not like a, well, we'll be fine, We'll survive the
vomiting and yeah thrive. Yeah, okay, well we are Oh,

(49:45):
we're actually wow, I didn't realize that we're at we're
ten minutes before the hour. But we would have to
do a whole like I don't think we Yeah, I
would rather stop there than try to do all of
chapter nineteen. We can just use the last ten minutes
for me to sing radioactive strip Walmart. Please let's see
it not. No, Leviticus is really interesting because the law

(50:10):
no longer like we read. Maybe we should regalations again
at the end of this study. It's easy to read
in one night, and it can kind of help wrap
up this conversation about the law and kind of explain
I am bad at explaining like what the role of
the law is, and like how it is over to

(50:31):
what extent it is over and to what extent there
are parts of it that are still important, or parts
of it that the people of viseral In particularly are
supposed to continue upholding, because I think there's a lot
of people who read those like very strict you shall
not lie with a man's with a woman, and go, well, yeah,
but that's the old law. What are you also not

(50:51):
going to wear a cotton and a cotton and linen together.
Actually it might be healthier if you didn't. There is
a reason why God said those things, right, or are
some of these other other things mm, And there's it's
I think it's difficult to parse out because there are
there are things. I do think when God says don't

(51:16):
do this it is an abomination. Yes, don't do this.
It is a perversion. It's not going to stop being
in an abomination or perversion. But when God says don't
cook a goat in it's mother's milk, he doesn't say
it's a perversion. He just does don't do it. And
and I think that there are things like that where
they have a specific time and place for the people

(51:36):
in the place and the time that he's giving them
to and things like that are are no longer of concern.
We certainly the system of sacrifices is done. We do
see some of the stuff that we talked about today reiterated,
and I think it was like First Corinthians or Second Crinthians,
whe Paul's like one of y'all sleeping with what his
mom or is in or something. I think like Galatians

(52:02):
talks about, like the law as a guardian until we
come of age. I think that in some respects, it's
like the spirit of law versus the letter of the law.
Thing I we take for granted the Holy Spirit convicting
us when something is wrong. Before then they needed, I think,
to just be very explicitly laid out everything that is
wrong and bad. Don't do that, Whereas now with the
Holy Spirit, it's not that we have to sit and

(52:23):
be like we're gonna follow all the tenants of the law.
It's like the Holy Spirit tells us what is wrong
and bad, and also we understand the why. So it's
like those things are wrong and bad because of the
root thing of like, don't be sexually perverted, just in general.
I don't know, I'm kind of not expecting. Yah. No, well,
I think that there's also like different things are there
for different reasons, Like there are a bunch of things
that God said, hey, don't do this because it will

(52:44):
spread disease. Yes, And sometimes he's some things he was like, hey,
do this this way because this is how I want
you to do this. And there are some things where
he said, don't do this because it's perverted and wrong
and evil and I hate it. And that category of
things I don't think is has been and fulfilled or
abolished or like, yeah, that's just him telling you what
is evil, Yes, don't do it. You do see all

(53:08):
of that repeated in the New test Yeah, versus like
the ceremonial or like the the lower level law of
like don't wear this thing or don't eat shrimp and whatever,
right radiator shrimp from Walmart. Uh, and stuff that was
on the line where you could be like, maybe it's
perverted to eat shrimp was specifically updated in the New Testament. Yeah,

(53:29):
and like now we understand why it was a problem
to eat shrimp. Yeah. And also in my opinion still
is because why would you eat want to eat ocean bugs,
but get shrimp from Walmart, right, one bite lets you
glow in the darkness. So what I was gonna say
is that like a lot of the cities in like
the medieval times who didn't follow these rules or whatever,

(53:50):
because they were just like European cities were gross and
they had like disease spread through them like wildfire. But
what Israel had as a model was like the cleanest,
safest society. So it's like, even if it's not a
matter of rain wrong, it's just a matter of prudence
to be like, maybe we should take lessons from the
literal creative of the universe, who knows how to run
a city. Yeah. Yeah, as a thought, I do think

(54:12):
if you're gonna maybe a good rule of thumb, I
think when you're reading Leviticus and you hear a command, say,
why was this command given? Is this a command regarding
sacrifice that's been fulfilled? Is this a command regarding a
feast that's been fulfilled, but God said that Israel should

(54:33):
still continue to observe it throughout their generations. Is this
circumcision that's been fulfilled? In which case, I think the
things that have been fulfilled, if you choose to continue them,
like I've circumcised my boys for medical reasons and not
religious ones. If you are following these things, not in

(54:54):
a oh no, I'm going to go to Hell if
I don't do these things, or I'm not gonna be
right before God. If I don't do all this law,
you're not, then that's fine. But things that have been fulfilled,
if you can go yep, that's the fulfillment of that,
then you're good to not continue to follow them. Or
if you can point to okay, there's the update. I'm
allowed to eat these, eat these now. And Jesus said,

(55:18):
it's not what goes in your mouth that makes you unclean.
There's an update even sometimes not to the specific command,
but to the spirit of the command, where Jesus explains, like, hey,
this is what uncleanness actually means, and so any of
the law around uncleanness gets updated at that point, right yeah,
because he he he explains like what that's about. But

(55:43):
then if you see, if you see a command like
you shall not lie with a man is with a woman,
for it is an abomination that that's not been fulfilled.
And that's clearly not just about cleanliness.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
M h.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
Because he doesn't say, and you'll be unclean and you
need to bathe in the right He says it's an abomination,
and that gets a reference again in Romans later on,
because because Romans goes through that same concept of like
late stage cultural decline types of perversions. Mm hmm. Yeah, Okay,

(56:21):
there the world, the spiritual world is flat and there's
an edge which you can fall off of, fair enough, exactly.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:32):
Yeah, but but we can see how our country is
in this late stage cultural decline. And I think it's
interesting because even the non Christians consens it, but they're diagnosed.
So he has late stage capitalism. They're getting the late
stage right. Yeah, it's the other part that they're not
getting right. It's not the capitalism that's the problem here.
Kind of not a biggest fish to fry at the moment. Yeah, yeah,

(56:55):
all right, I'm.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
Deo.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
Thank you so much for this day. Thank you for
the recordings we were able to do on Lizza's Soul
Sleep episode for next Wednesday and this one for Monday,
which is hopefully when people will be listening to it
unless we forget to put it out again. Sorry, that's sorry.
I was not to God, but to the listeners because
I don't think I have to apologize to God for that,

(57:18):
but I'll let him let me know about that. This
prayer has gotten so off the rails. Thank you pray
this bless is people in your name, Amen. I yes,
veered into doing what I hate hate, yes, molsitory praying.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
When pastors or just anybody does where they like get
distracted in their prayer to God and start praying with
an audience of somebody else that's not God, and they're like,
start going.

Speaker 1 (57:55):
And I pray that Liz would know that I just
really like her sweater and I hate that. And I
pray that everyone no, thank you, sorry, apologize for doing
that to you guys, because that is not but I
should pray that in a prayer, do you. I pray

(58:15):
that everyone just know that I'm sorry. Please close a snort,
just kidding. I love you guys, thanks for coming, and
good night. That b