Leviticus and Hebrews: Part Three

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Speaker 1 (00:52):
Hello, and welcome back to No Wrong Questions Bible study.
This is the Leviticus and Hebrews. Uh read through, talk
through part three. You've never been here before. We read
through every verse, we chat about it. This is not
Bible teaching. We are not Bible teachers. We're just here
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that you can talk in the chat and discuss with us.
We try to be in the rumble Chat. Usually we're
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be able to have a presence over there as well.
But before we get into it, Liz, would you pray
for us? Yes, loere, do you justus? Thank you for
bringing us together. Please allow us to read into your

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word what you would have us to read, and to
not read our own thoughts and opinions. And please help
us to just edify everyone and grow closer together. And
if listen to this name men a men. Okay, we're
starting off with one chapter of Hebrews and then getting into.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
I love ed media source. I know, I know.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
Than getting into Livius. So Hebrews three. Therefore, holy brothers,
you who share in a heavenly calling, consider Jesus, the
apostle and high priest of our confession, who was faithful
to him who appointed him, just as Moses also was
faithful in all God's house. For Jesus has been counted
worthy of more glory than Moses, as much more glory

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as the builder of the house has more honor than
the house itself, for every house is built by someone,
but the builder of all things is God. Now Moses
was faithful in all God's house, and by house we
mean tabernacle.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
I was just.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
Realizing the other day I was reading psalms and their
verses and psalms were when I've heard when I've seen
like God's house. In some of the psalms.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
In Jesus Jesus, David talking about like it's better to
be in your courts than you know, one day in
your course is better than a thousand elsewhere. And I
had pictured that of like heavenly courts, of like in
God's house in heaven. But what David was saying was
it's better to be in the temple.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
Yeah, And so the house here that's being talked about
is the temple. And that was just a like one
of those weird things I had just accidentally had wrong.
For years, years and years old. I always feel like
it was kind of RELI it was like we were
taught that.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
Yeah perhaps perhaps Okay, Now, Moses was faithful in all
God's house as a servant to testify to the things
that were to be spoken later. But Christ is faithful
of our God's house as a son, and we are
his house if indeed we hold fast our confidence and
our boasting in our hope. So now we the Church

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post Pentecost, are the house of God because Holy Spirit
is living in us all in all believers. That's why
we are the body of Christ. Yes, a gestalt entity
in hiding God.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
Therefore, sorry, that's probably the most pagan way you could
possibly say that, But I think that's you're fine, accurate, Like,
let's ask God, yeah, correct us.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says today, if you hear
his voice, do not harden your hearts as in the
rebellion on the day of testing in the wilderness, where
your father's put me to the test and saw my
works for forty years. Therefore, I was provoked with that
generation and said, they always go astray in their heart.
They have not known my ways, as I swore in
my wrath they shall not enter my rest. I do

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think it's interesting that it seems that God judges individuals individuals,
but he also judges nations. They also judges generations. Yeah,
that there are ways that he has pronounced a judgment
on the nation of Israel, but it's been specific to
a certain generation. In this he is referencing the generation

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who wandered around in the wilderness and provoked God to
the extent that he did not let them enter the
promised land that he had. He let that whole generation
die off, and it was the next generation that he
allowed to go into the promised land. So GARSA.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
Yeah, therefore, I was provoked with that generation and said,
they always go astray in their heart. They have not
known my ways. As I swore in my wrath, they
shall not enter my rest. Take care, brothers, lest there
be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart leading
you to fall away from the Living God. But exhort
one another every day, as long as it is called today,
that none of you may be hardened by the deceitfulness

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of sin. For we have come to share in Christ.
If indeed we hold our original confidence firm to the end,
As it is said today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts, as in the rebellion, So
the deceitfulness of sin hardens, hardens your heart verse sixteen.
For who were those who heard and yet rebelled? Was

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it not all those who left Egypt led by Moses,
and with whom was he provoked for forty years? Was
it not those who sinned, whose bodies fell in the wilderness,
and to whom did he swear that they would not
enter his rest? But to those who were disobedient. So
we see that they were unable to enter because of unbelief.
I was normally we would only do one chapter of Hebrews,

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but it seems like this thought is continuing into chapter four,
so I think we should continue it into chapter four.
Yet I think this is a terrible chapter division. Chapter
divisions are not inspired by God, and so sometimes we
it is okay if we say, hey, that's not helpful.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
Therefore, while the promise of entering his rest still stands,
let us fear lest any of you should seem to
have failed to reach it. For good news came to
us justice to them, but the message they heard did
not benefit them, because they were not united by faith
with those who listened. For we who have believed, enter
that rest. As He has said, as I swore in
my wrath, they shall not enter my rest, although his

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works were finished from the foundation of the world. For
he has somewhere spoken of the seventh day in this way,
and God rested on the seventh day from all his
works somewhere Genesis, Genesis to and Exodus twenty. And again
in this passage he said they shall not enter my rest.
This one is Hebrews. Wait, Hebrews four three.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
Yeah, just quoting back to this, but it's Ps. Ninety five. Yeah,
it's originally some ninety five. And this one I usually
I usually make sure to to cite where the quotes

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are coming from. Yeah, get it, get it right, heavy, Okay, Yeah, yeah,
it's from.

Speaker 4 (07:43):
Huh.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
Okay, the cross surferences aren't being helpful right now, but okay.
And again in this passage, she says they shall not
enter my rest, since therefore it remains for some to
enter it, and those who formally received the good news
fail to enter because of disobedience. Again, he appoints a
certain day today, saying through David so long afterward, and
the words already coded today. If you hear his voice,

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do not hearten your hearts, for if Joshua had given
them rest, God would not have spoken of another day
later on. So then there remains a sabbath rest for
the people of God. For whoever has entered God's rest
has also rested from his works, as God did from
his Let us therefore strive to enter that rest, so
that no one may fall by the same sort of disobedience.
For the Word of God is living and active, sharper

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than any two edged sword, piercing to the division of
soul and spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning
the thoughts and intentions of the heart. And no creature
is hidden from his sight, but all are naked and
exposed to the eyes of Him, to whom.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
We must give account.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
So this thing about entering his rest, He's making this
metaphor of those who disobeyed, who saw God's work and disobeyed,
were not able to enter into this metaphor of the
sabbath rest in the promised Land, but also the way
that that entering into the promis land, and that rest

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was a metaphor of a coming rest that people would
be able to enter into if they accepted Jesus. And
this warning is like, if you like that generation hard
in your hearts and don't follow, you don't get to
enter into the rest. Yeah, and you will be the
same as that generation who died in the wilderness and
doesn't get to cross over. That it is possible to

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follow God and follow God and follow God, but do
it so wrongly that you never get to actually make
that crossing. And Jesus is our sabbath rest, so if
we reject him, there isn't another Sabbath rest to be in.
I think that kind of what this is. I just
saw this debate going on on Twitter. It goes on
all the time of like do Jews that don't accept

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Jesus do they still worship the same God as Christians?
And by name, yes, right, we both worship Yahweh. But
Jesus did say if you don't have Me, you don't
have the Father. Yeah, And I think the idea is like,
they're the same as the generation that wandered around the wilderness.
They don't get to enter into the rest because they

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did Like, yes, they're following him around, but they're not.
There's something missing there, and so they're just working and
working and working and ever resting.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
It's the same God, it's just that they have not
entered into worshiping him correctly.

Speaker 1 (10:24):
Yes, yeah, okay, in this I love this.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
I'm gonna read this verse again. This is one that
I memorized in high school, and it's a really cool
verse about just like what exactly God's word is able
to do, because I think so often we get into
these sorny issues where we're like, I don't know exactly
how to parse this, like where exactly is the line,
And this verse is saying, like the word of God

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helps us find this line. For the Word of God
is living in active sharper than a two edged sword,
piercing to the division of soul, and a spirit of
joy and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions
of the heart. And no creature is hidden from his sight,
but all are naked and exposed to the eyes of Him,
to whom we must give account. I love that verse

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because it's like anything that you tell yourself to try
to convince yourself, well, I'm not evil, I didn't do
this wrong. You can trick yourself, but you can't trick Goder.
God might as well just take a kount of building.
And when you are in the word, the Word can
divide that out for you and show you where you
are justifying your sin and where you shouldn't be. The
other the word, we'll convict you.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
Yes, fourteen. Since then we have a great high priest
who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God.
Let us hold fast our confession, for we do not
have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with
our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been
tempted as we are, yet without sin. Let us, then,
with confidence, draw near to the Throne of Grace, that

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we may receive mercy and find grace to help in
time of need. I like this, there's there's a gentleness
here where it's like, no, he does get it, and
he has been tempted in all the ways that we were,
and he has shown it's possible to not sin. And
because he's there for us, we can have the confidence

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to go to him for help with our sin.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
And also, like we're no longer separated, we can go
right up to the throne of Grace. We don't need
to go through someone who has acted us. We have
accessed through Jesus right right exactly. Okay.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
That is that was Hebrews three and four. So now
we are into Levitiicus eight. The Lord spoke to Moses, saying,
take Aaron and his sons with him, and the garments
and the anointing oil, and the bowl of the sin offering,
and the two rams, and the basket of unlovened bread,
and assemble all the congregation at the entrance of the
tentive meeting. And Moses did as the Lord commanded him,

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and the congregation was assembled at the entrance of the
tentive meeting. This is the tappernacle. This is st And
Moses said to the congregation, this is the thing that
the Lord has commanded to be done. And Moses brought
Aaron and his sons and washed them with water. And
he put the coat on him, and tied the sash
around his waist, and clothed him with a robe, and

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put the e thought on him, and tied the skillfully
woven band of the e fought around him, binding it
to him with the band. And he placed the breastplate
on him, and in the breastpiece he put the urim
and the thumbim. We don't know exactly what those are
and why they were I think used for casting lots.
But like to what extent that there was a way

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that God worked through chance to reveal his will in
this way.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
Yeah, I wouldn't call it chance. It was like, this
is a means for him to chance, communicating quote unquote chance,
like you would somebody who did not believe God was
pushing it would assume it was chances. Probably what I
should say, because you would think, like casting lots, you
would think that that would be up to chance. But
in these cases, their faith was that God would lead

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them through this. But the last time we see anybody
determining odds will through lots was the selection of Matthias
Matthias as the next apostle, and then we basically never
hear about Matthias again. And it seems like God selected
Paul instead. And I don't know if he didn't select Matthias. No,

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I think it's clear that that Matthias was selected. Paul
was not operating in the same So the apostles all
walked with Jesus, even Matthias. He was selected from a
group of people from two people who had also been
right there for the ministry. So Paul is like a
separate thing. I think he still gets called an apostle,
but he's not one of the twelve.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
Yeah, but I do think it's interesting that like Matthias
was chosen in that way and then we cannot like
never hear about him again. Yeah, it does feel to
me like not that his choosing was illegitimate, but that
I wonder if like there was something about that situation
where they were like, Okay, we're kind of we have
the Holy Spirit now and we don't actually have to
do it this way.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
Possibly, But also I think the idea is there was
only meant to be twelve that Judas replaced. I mean,
Judas needed to be replaced, but it's not an ongoing office. Sure,
the apostles are a specific group of people who walked
with Jesus. There's disciples, and there's other forms of apostles
who go out and spread the word, but like that
office doesn't get passed down, so there doesn't need to
be a succession of well, yeah, he chose Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
No, I I just mean like the casting of lots
into general Yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
I mean, and it's possible that it still was used.
It just wasn't relevant to bring up. I feel like
it's never said we can't use it anymore, which is interesting.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
Right, Yeah, Yeah, Like the only hint we have is that,
like it just doesn't seem like Matthias does much of anything.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
Well, but we don't hear a lot about all the apostles.
That's true. Matthias is like at that point the office
of apostle wasn't as big of a deal because there
was the church was growing, there were other people.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
He just took that leadership role within the early Church.
And yeah, maybe there are historical records of him that
we could look up, but I've neither here nor there.
First nine, and he set the turbine on his head,
and on the turban in front, he set the golden
plate the whole crown, as the Lord commanded Moses. Then
Moses took the anointing oil and anointed the tabernacle and
all that was in it and consecrated them. And he

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sprinkled some of it on the altar seven times, and
anointed the altar and all its utensils, and the basin
and it stand to consecrate them. And he poured some
of the anointing oil on Aaron's head and anointed him
to consecrate him. The oil is the metaphor for the spirit.
So now we have the spirit living in us. But
before the spirit would come on someone and then God

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would take it away if they were sinning to to
a serious degree that he decided to take it away.
And there there was a point where David send pretty severely.
He's like begging God not to take his spirit away.
And God doesn't take a spirit away from David. But
that's what the the metaphor is kind of showing physically

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that the spirit is resting on these priests to do
the work. And Moses brought Aaron's sons and clothed them
with coats and tight sashes around their waists and bound
caps on them as the Lord commanded Moses. Then he
brought the bowl of the sin offering, and Aaron and
his sons laid their hands on the head of the
bowl of the sin offering, and he killed it. And
Moses took the blood and with his finger put it

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on the horns of the altar around it, and purified
the altar and poured out the blood at the base
of the altar. And consecrated it to make atonement for it.
And he took all the fat that was on the entrails,
and the long love with the liver, and the two
kidneys with their fat, and Moses burned them on the altar.
But the bull in its skin and its flesh, and
it's stung, he burned up with fire outside the camp
as the Lord commanded Moses. Then he presented the ram

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of the burnt offering, and Aaron and his sons laid
their hands on the head of the ram, and he
killed it, and Moses threw the blood against the sides
of the altar. He cut the ram into pieces, and
Moses burned the head and the pieces in the fat.
He washed the entrails and the legs with water, and
Moses burned the whole ram on the altar. It was
a burnt offering with a pleasing aroma, a food offering
for the Lord. As the Lord commanded Moses worth noting

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that God spoke directly to Moses and told him what
to do. So Moses is the one who has even
though other people created the tabernacle, He's the one who
set it up. He's the one who is like the
first person putting his hands on these things and doing
these things. He's the one who's consecrating Aaron and his sons.
And then after that, Moses isn't touching this anymore. He's

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just the conduit through whom God said it in motion,
said it in emotion. But he called Aaron and his
sons to do the work. And then Moses is going
to back off and be the leader.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
Of the people again. He's still, but like focus on
being the leader of the people and not have his
focus divided to doing all of the sacrifices.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
And all these things.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
Ah.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
And then he presented the other rand, the Ram of Ordination,
and Aaron and his son's laid their hands on the
head of the ram, and he killed it. And Moses
took some of its blood and put it on the
lobe of Aaron's right ear, and on the thumb of
his right hand, and on the big toe of his
right foot. Then he presented Aaron's sons, and Moses put
some of the blood on the lobes of their right ears,
and on the thumbs of their right hands, and on
the big toes of their right feet. And Moses threw

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the blood against the sides.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
Of the altar.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
This is the ram of ordination. So it's it's like
I believe the idea is like their ears to hear
God and then their hands to do and feet to
like go where they're supposed to be.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
Yeah, I was thinking of that. And this is specific
to the ordination. It's not an everyday occurrence.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
Yes, and it's not. It's not the sin offering because
the sin offering is a different one. They had already
done the sin offering, so that and are not like, no,
your ears won't sin in, your hands won't send, your
feet won't send. It's it's specific to how the body
parts are working God's will and being that conduit between

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God and the people. Are not conduit but mediator, mediator. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
I don't know why, but I find that the ordination
that like, really that's it's almost like magic. Little feels
a little bit like that ritual. It's not it's God. Well,
but it's a ritual, not a magic ritual. But exactly
it's not magic. I was correcting myself. Not yet, Oh okay.

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Then he presented.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
And Moses, and Moses threw the blood against the sides
of the altar. Then he took the fat and the
fat tail, and all the fat that was on the entrails,
and the long lobe of the liver, and the two
canis with their fat, and the right thigh, and out
of the basket of unloven bread that was before the Lord,
he took one unloved loaf and one loaf of bread
with oil, and one wafer, and placed them on the
pieces of fat and on the right tige. And he
put all these in the hands of Aaron and in

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the hands of his sons, and waved them as a
wave offering before the Lord. Then Moses took them from
their hands and burned them on the altar with the
bird's offering. This was an ordination offering with a pleasing aroma,
a food offering to the Lord. And Moses took the
breast and waved it for a wave offering before the Lord.
It was Moses's portion of the ram of ordination, as
the Lord commanded Moses. So because Moses is the one
performing the work, he it's the portion that was allotted

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to the person doing the work to eat. Then Moses
took some of the anointing oil. Okay, sorry, When people
talk about animal sacrifice, the part about significant portions of
the animal in levitical law being eaten and actually like
use the way that you would use any animal to

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fill your body. I feel like it's just kind of
left out.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
Yeah, they treated as like waste. And also the things
that are getting burnt are the things that aren't good
for us to eat anyway, or most of them.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
Yeah, yeah, there are some, There are some where they
they burn the whole animal because the point of it
is to is making.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
Not restitution to God. But like the point is that
you committed a sin, and it hurts you like that
that the animal is just consumed. But but yeah, okay,
let's see, let's see, let's see so verse thirty.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
Yeah, then Moses took some of the annointing oil and
of the blood that was on the altar and sprinkled
it on Aaron and his garments and also on his
sons and his son's garments. So he consecrated Aaron and
his garments and his sons and his son's garments with him.
And Moses consecrating is like setting something aside for holy use,
for this use. So like their garments are specific to
their priesthood. You can't just wear those out. And about yes, yeah,

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And Moses said to Aaron and his sons, boil the
flash at the entrance of the tentive meeting, and there
eat it and the bread that is in the basket
of ordination offerings, as I commanded, saying, Aaron and his
sons shall eat it, and what remains of the flesh
and the bread you shall burn up with fire. And
you shall not go outside the entrance of the tentive
meeting for seven days until the days of your ordination
are completed. For it will take seven days to ordain
you as has been done today. The Lord has commanded

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to be done to make atonement for you at the
entrance of the tentive meeting. You shall remain day and
night for seven days, performing what the Lord has charged,
so that you do not die. For so I have
been commanded. And Aaron and his sons did all the
things said the Lord commanded by Moses.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
Like it's not like, oh, you just fail out if
you don't do it right. It's like, this is such
a high calling that if you fail in this, like
you're done. Yeah, you follow the instructions or you die.
Very important, and I appreciate that when God puts somebody
into the role of mediator that he does not allow,
like he makes it impossible for them to do wrong

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by the people. He's like, if you're going to be
in this role, your life is on the line such
that you do exactly what I tell you to do.
And it's it's not like a, oh, we found out
he was kind of abusing people and nothing was done
about it. It's like, oh, if he messes that boom,
you're done. Like right then and there, right on the

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eighth day, Moses called Aaron and his sons and the
elders of Israel, and he said to Aaron, take for
yourself a bull calf for a sin offering, and a
ram for a burnt offering, both without blemesh, and offer
them before the Lord. And say to the people of Israel,
take a mail goat for a sin offering, and a
calf and a lamb, both a year old without blemish
for a burnt offering, and an ox and a ram
for peace offerings to sacrifice before the Lord, and a

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grein offering. Mix to the oil for today the Lord
will appear to you. And they brought what Moses commanded
in front of the tentive meeting and all the congregation
drew near and stood before the Lord, and Moses said,
this is the thing that the Lord commanded you to do,
that the glory of the Lord may appear to you.
Then Moses said to Aaron, draw near to the altar,
and offer your sin offering and your burnt offering, and
make atonement for yourself and for the people. And bring
the offering of the people, and make atonement for them,

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as the Lord has commanded. So Aaron drew near to
the altar and killed the calf of the sin offering,
which was for himself, and the sons of Aaron presented
the blood to him, and he dipped his finger in
the blood and put it on the horns of the altar,
and poured out the blood at the base of the altar.
But the fat and the kidneys, and the long lobe
of the liver from the sin offering he burned on
the altar as the Lord commanded Moses. The flesh and
the skin he burned up with fire outside the camp.

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Then he killed the burnt offering, and Aaron's sons handed
him at the blood, and he threw it against the
sides of the altar, and they handed the burnt offering
to him piece by piece and the head, and he
burned them on the altar. And he washed the entrails
and the legs and burned them with the burnt offering
on the altar. Then he presented the people's offering, the
people's offering, and took the goat of the sin offering
that was for the people and killed it and offered
it as a sin offering like the first one. So

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first he first ordained and then they like Aaron has
their tone for himself, and then he's able to atone
for the people. This is going to be like a
physically demanding job. Yeah, especially this like whole bit. Yeah,
at this very beginning getting things off the ground because

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they have to, like they had to atone for the
whole tabernacle, and then they had to it. Yeah, lots
so many things lost the steps.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
Then he presented the people's offering and took the goat
of the sin offering that was for the people and
killed it and offered it as a sin offering like
the first one. And he presented the burnt offering and
offered it according to the rule. And he presented the
green offering, took a handful of it and burnt it
on the altar beside the burnt offering of the morning.
Then he killed the ox and the ram, the sacrifice
of piece offerings for the people. And Aaron's sons handed
him the blood, and he threw it against the size

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of the altar. But the fat pieces of the oxen
of the ram, the fat tail, and that which covers
the entrails and the kidneys, and the long lope of
the liver. They put the fat pieces on the breast,
and he burned the fat pieces on the altar. But
the breast and the right sigh, Aaron waved for a
wave offering before the Lord, as Moses commanded. Then Aaron
lifted up his hands toward the people and blessed them.
And he came down from offering this an offering and
the burnt offering and the peace offerings, and Moses and

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Aaron went into the tentive meeting, and when they came out,
they blessed the people, and the glory of the Lord
appeared to all the people. And fire came out from
before the Lord and consumed the burnt offering and the
pieces of fat on the altar. And when all the
people saw it, they shouted and fell on their faces.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
I think it's so interesting because nowadays you don't necessarily
see as many dramatic things like this, and we falter
on our faith and everything. But it's still like, I'm
no better than the iselizes. I'm not saying that, but
it still boggles my mind, like they witnessed things like this, yeah,
and then defied him. I feel like you have to

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be a special sort of having no self preservation to
do that.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
I think it goes to the forgetfulness of humans, how
like the cares of life are our needs and our discomforts,
and the deception, the deceptiveness of our sins, and the
way that it hardens our hearts and clouds our minds,
how strong they are, and how easily they can get
in the way and our memory fades of something like this,

(27:23):
and how much damage can be done by a complaining spirit.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
M m hmm. I think also like we live in
such a godless culture that if we see we think
of seeing a miracle as like, oh wow, I wasn't
sure there was a god, and now I've seen it
and I'm sure. And they lived in a culture where
like they believed in lots and lots of gods, and
I think maybe it was like, oh, well, we defied
the gods of Israel, the gods of Egypt, so like

(27:52):
why not this god that like sent fire. Like that's
a good point. There's a little bit of.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
A different cultural mindset there. I don't think it excuses it,
but I think it puts it in a different context.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
Yeah, because you can almost I think it you can
start taking miracles for granted too, of like, oh, it's
just a thing that happens and it's not that special
or moving anymore.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
I did want to say here that that Catholic priests
want to have this role, claim this role of being
a mediator between God and man without claiming this deathly
responsibility of getting it exactly right.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
And if they were indeed in the office, then we
wouldn't have had that child scandal, think as God would
have struck them down right right. I think it's fair
to say that like, God didn't put people into this
role without holding them to that standard, and that Catholic
priests are getting away with any of what they're getting
away with, I think is good proof that God did

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not put them in the role and therefore is and
holding them to the standard. They're just out on their own. Yeah,
I believe you. Oh okay. Chapter ten.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
Now Nadab and Abie, who the sons of Aaron, each
took his censor and put fire in it and laid
incense on it, and offered unauthorized fire before the Lord,
which he had not commanded them.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
That doesn't sptisfy even why they did that, right, it's
just so out of pocket, like they've just done this
incredible thing, and then they decide to add to it
from their own like immediately, and fire came out from
before the Lord and consumed them, and they died before
the Lord. Then Moses said to Aaron, this is what
the Lord has said, among those who are near me,
I will be sanctified, and before all the people, I
will be glorified. And Aaron held his peace. This is difficult,

(29:43):
but it like really drives home how serious God was.
He was, like, if you are going to be in
this role, you better do it right. Do not do
something that I did not command you to do, and
don't add to it like he because God didn't specifically
say and don't offer instance like it is just as
bad with just as high of a consequence.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
To add something and to subtract.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
And they were told like the steaks, and then for
whatever reason, they do this. I don't even know what
their heartbuster was like. It could be that they were
well meaning. It could be that they were being defiant,
but all they had to do is not do this right.
No one was making it. It's so weird. Yeah, yeah,
it in context, it kind of sounds like it's coming

(30:30):
on the heels of like the spiritual high where they're like, oh,
I'm going to do even more. Yeah. Yeah, it could
It could have been that they were, you know, striving
for more greatness, or they felt that maybe God had
given an insufficient ritual and they wanted to add to it.

Speaker 4 (30:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
I mean if you're adding, if you're adding, it's because
you believe that God didn't put enough there and then
you should add to it sort of at the core
I know better than God. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you don't.
First four and Moses called Michelle and Elzefan, the sons
of Uzel, from the uncle of Aaron, and said to them,
come near, carry your brothers away from the front of
the sanctuary and out of the camp. So they came

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here and carried them in their coats out of the camp,
as Moses had said. And Moses said to Aaron and
to Elizer, and ifamr his sons, do not let the
hair of your heads hang loose, and do not tear
your clothes yet, lest you die, and wrath come upon
all the congregation. But let your brothers, the whole house
of Israel bewail the burning that the Lord has kindled.
And do not go outside the entrance of the tent
of meaning less you die, for the anointing oil of
the Lord is upon you. And they did according to

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the word of Moses. So they're still in that seven
day period, and he's like, you cannot go enter into
mourning for your sons at this at this time, you
have to complete this.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
And also in addition, I think in order to mourn them,
you would have to be acting as if something wrong
had happened instead of like I think that in some
respects to them publicly morning at this point would be
defying God and his and the justice that was done.
I don't know that's a good I mean, and it
could be that they're fine to but it doesn't say

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it doesn't give a limit on the morning thing. It
just says don't. So I wonder if they were, if
they were barred from, like in their role, if they
as mediators could not mourn the rightful death of a
mediator who failed.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
Oh interesting, that's how I took it. He says, here
the whole house of Israel, but where all the burning
that the Lord has kindled. It's like it's like all
of Israel can mourn this, but not you and your al.
But not you and your al. And I think that
like if we drew a corollary to like if if
a pastor has defied his role, has broken his role

(32:31):
has hurt his congregation in some way through mm HM
and and the other church leadership makes too much of
a thing out of being so sad that they are fallen, yeah,
as opposed to going yep, they got that, but they
deserved And and it's not like I was saying don't
be sad in your hearts. He was just barring them

(32:52):
from the outward expression of grief. WHI which like the
ritualistic expression of grief.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
Yeah yeah, But I think the idea is like yeah, yeah,
he doesn't say don't cry, yeah, don't tear your clothes
and don't loot the hair of your head hang loose. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
And the Lord spoke to Aaron saying, drink no wine
or strong. Drink you or your sons with you when
you go into the tent of meeting less you die.
It shall be a statute forever throughout your generations. You
are to distinguish between the holy and the common, and
between the unclean and the clean. And you are to
teach the people of Israel all the statutes that the
Lord has spoken to them by Moses, the.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
Very first instance of drinking on the job being right.
And I do appreciate this of what's he doesn't tell
all of Israel, don't drink wine or strong drink no alcohol,
alcohol bad. That's the Bible has never said that. But
what the Bible has said is that men who were
in this role in this one or pastors, shouldn't be

(33:50):
given to much wine. It says much wine. Yeah, And
it's just saying when you go into the tent of meetings,
so like, yeah, on your own time and drink right, yes, yes, yes.
Because there's another part where Paul specifically tells Timothy, who
was a pastor, take a little wine for your stomach.
So it's not that they that alcohol was completely wrong

(34:11):
for pastors, but that pastors were held to a higher
level of you need to be really wise around yeah,
around alcohol. Well, I imagine if you're in that sort
of role, the devil's going to be trying to tempt
you even more, and alcohol isn't great for avoiding temptation.
True True Moses's book to Aaron and to Elizer and Ithamar,

(34:33):
his surviving sons, take the grain offering that is left
of the Lord's food offerings and eat it unlovened, beside
the altar, for it is most holy.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
You shall eat it in a holy place, because it
is your de and your son's do from the Lord's
food offerings, for so I am commanded. But the breast
that has waved, and the thigh that is contributed, you
shall eat in a clean place. You and your sons
and your daughter's with you, for they are given as
your do and your son's do, from the sacrifices the
peace offerings of the people of Israel. The thigh that
has contributed, and the brea it is waved, they shall
bring with the food offerings of the fat pieces to

(35:03):
wave for a wave offering before the Lord, and it
shall be yours and your sons with you as a
do forever, as the Lord has commanded. I think the
reason why there's so much repetition in the like phrasing
of all of these things long love with the liver
and the kidneys and the fat.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
Yeah, so that it could be easily memorized. Yeah, I
so that they wouldn't get wrong. I think we should
start a band the fat tail, the kidneys in the
lung a little bit. I think it a bigger than
maybe not now.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
Moses diligently inquired about the goat of the sin offering,
and behold it was burned up, and he was angry
with a liezer Inthmr. The surviving sons of Aaron, saying,
why have you not eaten the sin offering in the
place of the sanctuary? Since it is a thing most
holy and has been given to you that you may
bear the iniquity of the congregation to make it home
with them before the Lord. Behold, its blood was not
brought into the inner part of the sanctuary. Who certainly
ought to have eaten it in the sanctuary as I commanded?

(35:52):
How hard is it for these people the follow rules?

Speaker 2 (35:54):
Right? And Aaron said to Moses, behold today they have
offered their sin offering and their burnt offering before the Lord,
and yet such things these have happened to me if
I had eaten the sin offering today, where the Lord
have approved? And when Moses heard that, he approved. So
this is interesting because it seems like they've done something wrong,
and Moses believes they've done something wrong, but then Aaron
reveals what's in his heart, and then Moses approves of it.

(36:15):
So it seems that this was their due and rather
than eat it, they chose to give it back to God.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
They weren't told they couldn't fast. They weren't told they
couldn't fast. And I think Aaron he said, if I
had eaten the sin offering today, would the Lord have approved?
I think Aarin is saying, like, I have something in
my heart I didn't feel right about eating it, and
Moses approves of this, and I think this is just
an interesting thing to parse.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
It is also interesting that it says that Moses approved,
It doesn't specify that God approved. It is kind of implied, Yeah,
well he didn't kill him, right, Yeah, so that seems
to be But I can see Moses being on highlight
of like literally had to people die. How are you
still not following a role?

Speaker 4 (37:02):
Right? Right?

Speaker 2 (37:04):
Yeah? Really interesting stuff like do you guys need hearing aids?
What even are those? What am I? But is it is?
I think the first instance that we can see of
a letter of the law versus spirit of the law.
The letter said this is yours, and the spirit of
the law that Aaron was trying to apply was I'm
not in a place to eat this. Yeah. This kind

(37:25):
of reminds me of a question I have about Acts
nineteen in that same sense of like following God versus
not following God. Okay, I'm not going to go into
it too, but basically, in the first part of it,
I'm just trying to make sure I'm looking the right one.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
I have it on screen.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
Let's see it might be no, it might be X
twenty Uh what is the story? So basically Paul and
Luke and some others that are traveling, and there's one
part where the Jews are like warning him. It says

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in the spirit not to go to Jerusalem, but even
be x twenty one, and then later on there's another
warning that comes through the spirit not to go to
Jerusalem and Paul's like, I'm going to Jerusalem and he
dies there. And I was like, I always assumed he
was supposed to die there. But was he defying God
by going to Jerusalem because the spirit is telling him
not to go? Oh? Maybe it's t Ext. Twenty one.

(38:30):
I just caught it. What's sealous? They're looking at the
lay out of my level. I'm find anything, but okay.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
I think this is where it starts. Acts twenty seventeen.
Now from my leaders. He sent to Ephesus and called
the elders of the church to come to him. And
when they came to him, he said to them, you
yourselves know how I lived among you the whole time,
from the first day that I set foot in Asia,
serving the Lord, with all humility, and with tears, and
with trials that happened to me through the plots of
the Jews. How I did not shrink from declaring you
anything that was profitable, in teaching you in public and

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her house to house, testifying to both Jews and to
Greeks of repentance toward God and a faith in our
Lord Jesus Christ. And now behold, I am going to Jerusalem,
constrained by the Spirit, not knowing what will happen to
me there, except that the Holy Spirit testifies to me
in every city that imprisonment and afflictions await me. But
I do not account my life of any value, nor
is precious to myself, if only I may finish my

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course in the ministry that I received from the Lord Jesus,
to testify to the gospel the grace of God. And
now behold, I know that none of you, among whom
I have gone about proclaiming the kingdom, will see my
face again. Therefore I testify to you this day that
I am innocent of the blood of all, for I
did not shrink from declaring to you the whole counsel
of God.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
So that is preceding it. I looked at As chapter
twenty two, specifically that I was thinking about, okay, where
I'm looking now verse four, And having sought out the disciples,
we stayed there for seven days, and through the spirit,
they were telling Paul not to go on to Jerusalem.
And then a little bit later verse seven, we had

(40:00):
finished the voyage from Tyre, we arrived at Ptolemais, and
we agreeted the brothers and stayed with them for one
are you sure it's twenty two twenty one twenty was sorry, okay.
On the next day we departed and came to worry.
I'm in first eight now, and we entered the house
to fill up the evangelist who was one of the
seven and stayed with him, and he had four unmarried
daughters who prophesied. While we were staying for many days,

(40:21):
a prophet named Agabus came down from Judea and coming
to us, he took Paul's belt and bound his own
feet and hands and said, thus says the Holy Spirit,
this is how the Jews of Jerusalem will bind the
man who owns this belt and deliver him into the
hands of the gentiles. So that one the first part
seems to indicate that he's being told not to go
because this bad thing is going to happen. Yeah, Like,
I've wondered about this too, because the context seems.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
To be I would there's a couple different ways to
read him.

Speaker 4 (40:45):
Right.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
The context seems to be that the Holy Spirit has
continued to warn Paul personally and then through others that
if he goes, this is what will happen. And I
wonder if it's not that he's saying don't. It's that
he's saying, I want to be so clear with you.
If you take this path, this is where it ends,
and you don't have to like.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
That. This is your choice. But then the result of
this choice was that he was killed. But it was
also that he got to preach before Caesar. Right, So.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
I wonder what, Like I is that either way was fine?

Speaker 2 (41:26):
Or is that God turning things to good? But I
just kind of wonder because I was like, you assume
that Paul didn't make huge errors in his life, right,
but what if in the end he did, like he
was just so tired and wanted to die, he chose
this knowing he was defying God and taking it. I
don't know, Like I don't want to assume the worst
of him. I just kind of made me pause for
a moment when I was reading that. I don't think
he was defying God. Yeah, I think that there may

(41:46):
have been like God gently saying, hey, like you don't,
you don't have to. I'm not telling you to. This
is what's gonna happen if you do. I'm not gonna
protect you. It's not like this way and it's not
like he was like, oh, I'm going to be safe.
I'm not listening, but it's kind of like a.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
He seems to still well.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
He stated in other places that he felt so called
to the Jews, that he has so much love for
his people that that's what he wanted. Yeah, I think
that there are This might be a good example of
like when God warns us like, hey, you can take
this path, that you can take this path, and this
one's going to be really hard and gives you still

(42:30):
room to say, but I do want this one. Yeah,
I don't know. Also, continuing with our bunny trail, verses
seventeen to twenty six of the same chapter twenty one
seem to indicate that Paul is still offering sacrifices. At
this point, I've taken us off on a big.

Speaker 1 (42:53):
Let's see what is verse twenty two. What that is
to be done? They will certainly hear what you have
that you have do Therefore, what we tell you, we
have four men who are under a vow. Take these
men and purify yourselves along with them, and pay their
expenses so that they may shave their heads. Thus all
will know that there's nothing in what they have been
told about you, but that you yourself also live in observance
of the law. But as for the gentiles who have believed,

(43:16):
we have sent a letter with our judgment that they
should abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and
from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from
sexual immorality. Then Paul took the men in the next day,
he purified himself along with them, and went into the temple,
giving notice when the days of purification would be fulfilled
in the offering presented for each one of them. Yes,
I think this is good, good evidence that for Jews

(43:36):
to continue practicing Judaism while worshiping Jesus and accepting Jesus
and Sosiah is correct for Jews. But in the same
same set of verses, what is required of gentiles is different.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
And also the Jews do Mesianic Jews if you will.
I don't know if that's it doesn't matter. They're not
following the law in order to be saved. They're following
the law to continue in obedience, but their salvation is
resting in Jesus. Yes, but it's very clear in Galatians,
which is two gentiles, that we are not to start
following the law yes, yes, that there are things in Leviticus, Exodus,

(44:16):
Levicus that were commanded the Jews to do throughout their
generations as a statue forever. And I think that it's
because they're preserving certain bits of knowledge, things that either
have been fulfilled, so they're preserving the memory of what's
been fulfilled, but they're also potentially preserving something for further
fulfillment or further illumination in the kingdom. And that is

(44:38):
their role in the world to preserve these things and
to continue working out these ritual metaphors. And so it's
not necessary that all Christians do it, and in fact,
it's best if all Christians don't, but the role of
the Jews is such that you would do. They're still
the firstborn. Yeah, so that ties into the question of

(44:59):
these equal temp and having sacrifices, like it seems like, yeah,
of course they're gonna that continues. Yeah. That I just
that struck me. I feel like I had never noticed that.
Reading through it, all of a sudden, I was like,
wait a second, yeah, no, I good good, uh good catch,
because I think I had noticed it before too. The
other take is that Paul was way in the wrong
here and at the end of his life was just
so tired. And but like that doesn't seem consistent with.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
There's no like biblical judgment around it, Like it's just yeah,
you would think for the you would think it would
be more clear that he had done something.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
Yeah, it is hard because some things are descriptive not proscriptive. Right,
And and like people will use the example of well,
the uh, polygamy is never called out, like Abraham has
never called a sin every but like you see from
the actions around them of like this was a harmful thing, right,
I don't know. Yeah, it's a good point. It's a
good point. And it may be that, like.

Speaker 1 (45:50):
God was so in control of Paul's life that either
direction he went would have had a similar outcome as
as far as like what his impact would be.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
I get the feeling. I mean like he didn't. God
wasn't like ask me into your heart real quick on
the road to Damascus, ask me, ask me, right, I
get the feeling. Paul was kind of chosen in a
way of like in the way that Judas was chosen,
and I probably didn't really get to say Paul was like, no,
this is your thing, like this is who you are. Yeah. Yeah.
But also like Paul was so zealous as a pharisee. Yeah,

(46:26):
so God made him to be extremely zealous for the
cause and then he just put him on the right path. Anyway. Sorry, long,
long side, tangent.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
Let's see where are we at? Probably one more chapter? Okay,
Wellviticus eleven, and the Lord spoke to Moses and Aaron,
saying to them, speak to the people of Israel, saying,
these are the living things you may eat among all
the animals that are on the earth, whatever parts the
hoof and is cloven footed, and choose the cut. Among
the animals you may eat. Nevertheless, among those that choose
choose the cut or part the hoof, you shall not

(46:55):
eat these. The camel, because it choose the cup but
does not part the hoof, is clean to you. And
the rock badger because it choose the cup, it does
not part of the hoof is uncleaned. And the hair,
because it choose the cup but does not part the hoof,
it is unclean to you. And the pig because it
parts the hoof and it's cloven footed, but does not
chew the cut, it is unclean to you. You shall
not eat any of their flesh, and you shall not
touch their carcasses. They are unclean to you. So chewing

(47:18):
cut is like you have at list. With cows, they
have multiple stomachs, so it goes down into one stomach, ferments, regurgitates,
and they chew it some more and it goes down
into a different stomach. So it's like it's a way
of their digestion. And then the hoof if they're like
cloven foot or I have like basically two two toed
hoofs or anyway, but I.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
Think it's hoof hoof. I think I don't know, but yes,
this has to do with like he's he's it's an early.
Now we have a whole taxonomy of animals defined by
like different traits and like if it has this and
this and this and this and this is God's way
of saying, like this is how you know which ones

(48:00):
are safety and which ones are not safety. And like
the hair, for example, rabbit fever is nothing to mess
around with. Yep, that much is made about the pig.
And I think it's just because the pig is the
one out of all of these that it was hardest
probably to give up. And yeah, the tastiest, the most
mainstream animal, but there was a lot of animals they

(48:23):
couldn't eat. Yeah, and I also wonder if for some
like this is a this is another question about not
like food safety and stuff. Pigs are really really smart,
Camels might be too, of like a certain understanding of
some of these things. Maybe don't eat them because they
serve a different purpose and it's not eating them isn't

(48:45):
like eating a human. But there's something there's like a
line of intelligence that you shouldn't eat past maybe in
which case is it is it.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
Bad if I eat someone who is brain dead?

Speaker 2 (48:56):
I'm just kidding. I don't know, Like I don't see
that in scripture. But it's like there's no wrong questions
except that one that one's wrong. Are are pigs and
camels more intelligent than cows? I don't know. That's a
good question. I know they're definitely more intelligent than cheap
and more intelligent than some people I know. But we're

(49:21):
still not eating because I wonder, like humans have souls,
one kind of soul, but do animals have the same
kind of spirit in them or do they all have
different kinds of spirit? And interesting that's a good question. Yeah,
huh and uh bonus question. Which animal in the Bible
is the only animal listed is having been possessed by demons? Pigs? Yes,

(49:46):
unless unless I'm thinking of something else. I mean, unless
I'm missing missing something. I mean a snake. But well
I didn't say it was possessed, it just was the thing. Yeah,
because that's what was the nahash, the guardian spirit is
what I've been Yeah, Okay. My question about this would
be if if it's an intelligence.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
Thing, why would God remove that? Why would God ever
remove that from Peter?

Speaker 2 (50:14):
Yeah? I think it's probably just a food safety thing,
but I could be wrong. Pigs are considered significantly more
intelligent than guess according to No Interesting. Interesting, And it's
also possible I've wondered if like something changed over the
course of time that like m Some have suggested that

(50:40):
perhaps pigs had some of the corruption of the nephylum
in them, and that it may have just like taken
until the time of Peter for it to work its
way out of the genetics, and at that point they
were safe. I find this food safety thing more compelling. Yeah,
but absolutely, because I mean the lobster. I mean, we're
not supposed to eat lobs and I don't think lobster

(51:00):
are a lot smarter than us, right right, Yeah, We're
got to get to the lost part their bottom feeders,
so that this makes sense. Yeah, okay, verse s eight.
You shall not eat any of their flesh, and you
shall not touch their carcasses. They are unclean to you.
These you may eat of all that are in the waters.
Everything in the waters that has fins and scales, whether
in the seas or in the rivers, you may eat.

(51:21):
But anything in the seas or the rivers that does
not have fins and scales. Of the swarming creatures in
the waters, and of the living creatures that are in
the waters, it is detestable to you. You shall regard
them as detestable. You shall not eat any of their flesh,
and you shall detest their carcasses. Everything in the waters
that does not have fins and scales is detestable to you.
So this would imply that they were not allowed to
eat like dolphin or eels. Well, dolphin has fins, but

(51:42):
not scales. Oh yeah, I think so. No, they don't
have scales. They have no scales again because they're mammals. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
But then that goes to the intelligence like line, but
maybe it's a little bit of both, right, Like I don't,
I don't know. I tend to think this is.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
I also wonder if, like, there are some animals that
are included in this that like God doesn't necessarily have
to include but for the ease of like classification, for
their safety, he could have let them eat it, but
for the ease of classification, And like the I don't
want them to forget. We're gonna make it really simple.
Fins and scales. Also we have everything else, no, thank you.

(52:29):
Maybe part of it is like, don't you don't need
to try to go deep sea fishing for some of
these things? Sure, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
Sure, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
Dolphins can come in pretty I was thinking of like
eels and oh yeah, yeah uh.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
And these you shall detest. Among the birds, they shall
not be eaten. They are detestable. The eagle, the bearded vulture,
the black vulture, the kite, the falcon of any kind,
and every regan, every Reagan, every Reagan, every raven of
any kind, the ostrich, the nighthawk, the seagull, the hawk
of any kind, the little owl, the cormorant, the shortier owl,
the bar now the tawny owl, the carrion vulture of

(53:04):
the stork, the heron of any kind, the hoopo in
the back. This is interesting because I just got done
saying God made things really simple with the classification, and
then this one was like the goop was very interesting
looking that this was a list that they just had
to memorize, Like some of it was every raven, but
some of it was specific owls.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
Yeah, so anything that was a carrion bird is off
the YA menu. Yeah, and then I wouldn't consider owls
carrion birds. I think sometimes they can be or like
get into it a little bit. Owls are aliens and
so it's funny he doesn't say any owl though, like
very specific owls. Yeah. So and what was the other one?

(53:43):
The hoopo is this random other bird, Like I don't
even know what it is. It looks very sha yeahoopo.
Oh my goodness, that's so random. It's such a fancy bird.
I know.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
I'm trying to get there.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
You have two seconds there were not fancy. God's like,
don't eat it. That one is cool, So I don't
eat that one. Tony oh oh. When alarmed, the female
hoopa releases a foul smelling liquid from a gland under
her tail to deter predator. So she's a skunk. Oh

(54:18):
my goodness. And also I don't know how to read interesting.
This has been fun, bird facts fun. And then the
bat which gets listened to the birds because I don't
know how they're like, God's like, I know, it's not
a bird. You guys don't know. It's not a bird.
I'm not gonna try to fight you on this one
flying thing. Yeah, let's see, are things that fly? So
the word translated birds is things a fly because God

(54:39):
knew that the coronavirus would have happened sooner, I'm just kidding,
would have been ebol one, Verse twenty. All winged in
all winged ink. We are both having the shot. We're
not even drinking. This is us sober. That's the problem.
All winged insects that go on all wars are detestable

(55:01):
to you, they are, I agree. Yet, among the winged
insects that go on off wors, you may eat those
that have jointed legs above their feet with which to
hop on the ground. Of them, you may eat the
locust of any kind, the bald locust of any kind,
the cricket of any kind and the grasshopper of any
So we can eat the bugs, but all their win
wind winged insects that have four feet are detestable to you.

(55:26):
I thought insects had six feet, they might be. Well,
if you have four, if you have six, you have
at least four. Well they might be including the sixth
set is a different classification, yeah, yeah, different ways that
different cultures look at the same thing. Yeah, because like
the front legs are a little bit different. Yeah, some
of these. Yeah, so they might be arms not legs.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
Ooh good, point four feet two arms.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
That because like, no, they don't have six legs, they
have four legs, two arms. Idiots? Do you think all
of you do you call your arms like too? I
didn't think so know what arms are when it's convenient
for you, gosh amazing. Okay, And by these you shall

(56:15):
become unclean. Whoever touches their carcasses shall be unclean until
the evening. And whoever carries any part of their carcass
shell washes close and be unclean until the evening. Every
animal that parts the hoof but is not cloven footed,
or does not true the cut, is unclean to you.
Everyone who touches them shall be unclean, and all that
walk on their paws. Among the animals that go on,
all fours are unclean to you. Whoever touches their carcass
shall be unclean until the evening. So this means it

(56:36):
couldn't have bear, I believe. Did they have bear in
the area? Are there bears in Israel? Oh yeah, there
are duh, Yeah, duh, there's bearsticul. Sorry, my brain just
like it was, like, you don't need those fouls, I'm
bleeding them. Yep, there's bears in the mouth. Whoever touches
their carcass shall be unclean until the evening. And he

(56:57):
who carries their carcass shell washes clothes and be unclean
until the evening. They are unclean to you. And these
are unclean to you. Among the swarming things that swarm
on the ground, the mole, rat, the mouse, the great
lizard of any kind, the gecko, the monitor lizard, the lizard,
the sand lizard, and the chameleon, these are unclean to you.
Among all that swarm. I love that they're classified by
swarming as opposed to like the way that we do mammals,

(57:20):
and we overc complicate classifications. Yeah, yeah, these are unclean
to you among all the all that swarm. Whoever touches
them when they are dead, shall be unclean until the evening.
And anything on which any of them falls when they
are dead shall be unclean, whether it is an article

(57:40):
of wood, or a garment, or a skin or a sack,
any article that is used for any purpose. So that
it shows you how long it takes for these specific
drums to die off. It must be put into water,
and it shall be unclean until the evening. Then it
shall be clean. And if any of them breaks into
any earth, then wear it falls in a sorry. Yes,
if anyone breaks in If anyone of them falls, oh
you know I saw breaking that slign my brain to

(58:02):
that falls into any earthenware vessel, all that is in
it shall be unclean, and you shall break it. Any
food in it that could could be eaten, on which
water comes shall be unclean, and all drink that could
be drunk from every such vessel shall be unclean. And
everything on which any part of their carcass falls shall
be unclean, whether oven or stove, it shall be broken
in pieces. They are unclean, and shall remain unclean for you. Nevertheless,

(58:23):
a spring or a sistern holding water shall be clean,
but whoever touches a carcass in them shall be unclean.
And if any part of their carcass falls upon any grains,
any seed grain that is to be sown, it is clean.
But if water is put on the seed and any
part of their carcass falls on it, it is unclean
to you, right this God, this is such good proof
that God knew more things than the Israelite said. And

(58:45):
he was like, I am not going to explain the
science to you, because I imagine it is like it
was just beyond their understanding. Yeah, but like I'm just
gonna tell you if the water touches it, no if
like when you tell your child don't cross the road
with them holding mom's hand, and well both ways. First,

(59:07):
you don't have to be like the car will squish
you and your guts will come out if you go
across the road. Right.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
And if any animal which you may eat dies, whoever
touches its carcass shall be unclean until the evening. And
whoever eats if its carcass, shall wash his clothes and
be unclean until the evening. Whoever carries the carcass shall wash,
wash his clothes, and be unclean until the eve. Every
swarming thing that swarms on the ground is detestable. It
shall not be eaten. Whatever goes on its belly, and
whatever goes on all fours, or whatever has many feet,
or any swarming thing that swarms on the ground, you

(59:35):
shall not eat, for they are detestable. You shall not
make yourself detestable with any swarming things that swarms, and
you shall not defile yourself with them and become unclean
through them. What if a bug clothes in my mouth?

Speaker 4 (59:46):
Stop?

Speaker 2 (59:48):
Stop, it's not dead, right, well, it will be a fact,
for I'm the Lord your God.

Speaker 1 (59:55):
Consecrate yourselves therefore, and be holy, for I am holy.
You shall not defy yourselves with any swarming thing that
crawls on the ground. For I am the Lord who
brought you up out of the land of Egypt to
be your god. You shall therefore be holy, for I
am holy. This is the law about beast and bird,
and every living creature that moves through the waters, and
every creature that swarms on the ground. To make a
distinction between the unclean and the clean, between the living

(01:00:17):
creature that may be eaten and the living creature that
may not be I do.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
Just think if a bug flies into my mouth and
accellently swallow what I do have to be outside the
camp for until evening. What I think that would make
me unclean? Well, you're not, you know, if I were
to it, if I were in ISRAELI I'm actually curious
that the Talmut has anything on that. They probably they
have power the mud.

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
If a bug flies in your mouth. In Judaism, accidentally
ingesting a whole, non kosher bug while it is alive
is a Torah transgression, but you are generally not held
accountable for it as there is no intent to transgress.
For repent, you should feel remorse, confess the act to God,
and commit to being more careful about checking for insects

(01:01:00):
to avoid it in the future. For physical wellbeing, a
bug is unlikely to cause harm as the body digests
them similar to other food.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
See there you go. They know how to overthink things
like I do. This is the thing about the Talmud people.
It is massive, and it is all these nitpicky like
but what if this and what if this?

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
And people will like take it out of context and
go you say, this is permissible. No, no, it's like
hair splitting hypothetical. If this happened this technically the law
say this about it or this about it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
It's not clear enough. I need to know more. Right,
it's legal commentary, it's not moral commentary.

Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
And I think that that's the thing that people get
hung up about with the Talmud and Jewish law is
that they see it as law. That we were like, oh,
this is a religious book, this is morality, and so
we like, oh, this is prescriptive.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
I'm like, no, no, no, this is legal commentary. It's
there's the talking about the Sabbath that is like, you're
not supposed to walk a long distance on the setth.
Then it doesn't specify, so they decided you can't walk.
It was a thousand yards from your house, so you
can walk a thousand, but you can't walk a thousand,
and one said because you have to have a clear
boundary in their head. But if you put like a

(01:02:20):
special string around your neighborhood, then the whole thing which
is enclosed inside is considered your house. So you can
go all through your neighborhood plus a thousand feet past
that or a thousand yards or whatever. Yeah, so there's
definitely silliness about it. There's a reason why God didn't
parse all the nippicky stuff in the Bible. You were
supposed to follow the spirit of life. Yeah, you now
in your heart what a far distance from your house.

(01:02:41):
You don't need to quibble over the little things when
you understand what God meant by the law. It's only
when it's it betrays it. You don't understand what go
by the law when you are coppling about well, that
one more foot would be sin right now? All that stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
Yeah, but a question like what if a bug flies
in my mouth? Like is that's Do I need to
go offer a sacrifice about that?

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
Or do I just need to stay outside the camp
because I have physically done the act of eating. About
that wasn't kosher? I think you would have to. I
think you'd be unclean until evening. Anyway, this has been
some wrong questions, wrong questions, all right, Jerald, thank you

(01:03:24):
so much for this day, for this Saturday that we're recording,
and for the Monday likely when everyone's hearing it. Please
bless us with your word. Please bless everyone who's hearing
this with your word. I pray that if we have
said anything in error, that you would correct it with
your spirit in the hearts of those who are listening.
And if we've said something that we need to come

(01:03:44):
back and correct, please make us aware of it. Please,
please teach us and bless us in your name. Amen. Amen,
can I.

Speaker 4 (01:03:52):
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