Little Inferno and the State of Conspiracy Land

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Speaker 1 (00:51):
Hello, Hello, How are yell today? Doing good?

Speaker 2 (00:55):
What is what is happening? Why am I in the
second chair?

Speaker 1 (00:58):
What is this? What is this? What is happening? I
have completed, successfully completed my coup, and now I'm the captain.
Look at me, I'm the captain now.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
Oh she's captain now okay, so what are we doing
now that you're the captain?

Speaker 1 (01:11):
So we have this game I'm gonna it should start
showing just a second as it's gonna start to launch.
It's called Little Inferno, okay, and the premise of the
game is that you just you burn stuff and you'll
kind of see it as it starts to play. So
today I'm gonna burn a bunch of stuff and we're
also gonna play a Little Inferno. Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
It says warning, do not play with fire. I disregard that. So, yes,
what we're doing today is Liz is playing and I
will be talking about things.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
Yes, sorry, I chose the wrong moment to make the
sound happen.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
That is okay, I will shut it for now.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
But look at how glorious this is, isn't it? Just
it swells the heart something, you know. Okay, So I'm
gonna start a new game for this, because I've played
some of it already, but I didn't want to play
all the way through beforehand because I didn't want to
you know, ruin all the surprise for me. So anyway,
what we're gonna say.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
Oh no, touch and hold anywhere to make a fire.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
Okay, So apologies.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
To whoever is trying to listen to this. This is
probably not a show you want to just listen to
the audio for, but you might. I am not aware
of exactly how much audit auditory time the game itself
is going to take up, and how much is gonna

(02:35):
you know, me talking about conspiracy theories and just talking
through a bunch of things that have been on my
mind lately. So sorry, congratulations, no go for it on
the legitimate purchase of your brand new little Inferno Entertainment fireplace.
We've lovingly crafted each fireplace to warm your home.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
And your heart.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
Stay warm in there, a little creepy we love miss Nancy.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
Oh, miss miss Nancy, I'm not one hundred percent short.
But look, okay, as you were saying before, I get ooh,
you got a little coin. It goes in the bank
so I can buy things. But oh, are you gonna
burn the terms? Oh oh yeah. I wanted to see if
you wanted to do your thing first or if.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
Oh yeah, no, keep going. I'll let you get the
game established and then I'll kind of start talking.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
Oh. I was wondering if we could read the terms
into conditions. I forgot the beginning, but now you just
you just want to literally the gate the oldest game.
Just to burn things, just to burn things. Yeah, okay, okay, okay, okay,
you got another envelope coming. Goodness, have you already burned
all your things? But of course that's okay.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
You can always buy more with your brand new catalog,
love miss Nancy. Oh, you've got a catalog, and then
you can purchase things to buy.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
But before I buy anything, would you like to finish
discussing your intro? I oh yes.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
So the idea today is to kind of revisit a
bunch of different conspiracy topics and kind of update you
all on some of the ways that my mind has changed,
or might maybe not my conclusions themselves have changed, but
my way of thinking about something has changed, and kind
of just talking about the state of the state.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
Of conspiracy theorists.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
I think what this episode is probably going to be
called is like Liz plays Little Inferno and the Absolute
State of Conspiracy Theorists or something like that, something to
that effect. So, but before I launch into like probably
you know what I might do nine to eleven. First, Yeah,

(04:49):
but you cue me when you want me to start
talking about it.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
Okay, So first of all, actually show you one thing.
Maybe it hasn't been introduced yet, so at some point
something's gonn show up here, thinking has put a stock
on I don't think it's. Yeah, it's got to be
up where you can do. Of the items you can buy,
there are certain combos and they'll be like a hint,
like one of them is movie night, and you have

(05:12):
to determine like what you have to burn together two
things to burn together in order to create that combo.
But for now, you just start off purchasing items. Get
anything you can get. Yeah, and you have a limited amount.
You have this I think four slots to start out
with a little bit later on you are able to
purchase more slots. Also, if you squishes the spiders, you
get money, and then it takes a little while for

(05:35):
the things to load. As you go along, things get
more expensive, they take longer to load, they're more fun
to burn. Like watch burning some corn.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
Oh, it pops, it pops.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
There's a nest of spiders later on that you like.
It's horrifying but also really fun.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
I hope that this episode, even if you're just listening
to it, has a little bit of an ASMR vibe
to it and a cozy, cozy feeling. I have my
cozy hot coco here. Oh, there's your combos.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
Okay, So the first options that we have, so usually
my assumption is this, these options that are available to
us correspond with the page that we have. I don't know,
I forget. I forget. If there's crossover cross pages, there
might be. Okay, so we're looking for a movie night Lenders, Generations,
spring Time, someone Else's combo, Bite, pirate combo, and you
just have to kind of guess what in your catalog

(06:29):
you have to burn together to accomplish these things. Well,
there's a credit card, right, so so it's got to
be that, and it's gonna go with something else this
credit card. Yeah, so I'm gonna just purchase a bunch
of things to have stuff to burn just.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
For fun for now, an idol. Yeah, but then you
just money, just burning money. Alarm claw.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
I'll open that envelope once I finished burning all these things. Okay,
actually there's two books. But but did you have anything
to say before I thought that we're burning a little idol? Yeah. Oh,
it's just the sound it makes when it's burning the
idle burning. Some have soeci effects. You can have run
a school both bus full of children. I shouldn't set it.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
So this is a very simple game, but it's not
really a child friendly.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
Yeah, well, child enjoying burning things like there's no like gore.
You can also play with the ash of this stuff. Also,
I just earned a stamp there. The stamps are great
for you see how it takes things a second to
load here. If I wanted to load instantly because I'm
impatient to burn something, the stamps are good for them.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
So if you need to like throw it on for
a combo, you can get it quicker.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
Yes, exactly. Nice, Okay, okay, so.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
Yeah, I should I think that the theme of what
I want to talk about will kind of emerge as
we talk. I have this feeling like I want to
like set up set it up better, but I don't
think that I really can a lot of this is
like the things that I've been working through in my
mind recently and in just the past even year. I

(08:08):
think it was about a little bit over a year
ago that I did an episode called The Conspiracy of Conspiracies,
talking about how conspiracy theorists go crazy and why that
is and how we as people who like conspiracy theories
and and enjoy talking about them. Are you having trouble
burning those bricks?

Speaker 1 (08:29):
Oh? Okay, the batteries. Okay, the batteries exploded and helped
you burn the bricks a little bit. Yeah, I don't
know all the physics of this game.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
Hold up, ooh, you're doing so great. Don't worry your
little in front. It was not like other games. There
are no points, there is no score. You are not
being timed. Just make a nice fire and stay warm
and the cool of your high definition entertainment product. But
you can't do that forever. There is bound to be
an end.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
I think it's once to get on the combos.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
Stay warm, Miss Nancy. I just want to It's like
a little bit dark, like a little bit ominous.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
This is She's fun. Is there anybody there?

Speaker 2 (09:16):
You don't know me, but I thought I would tell
you it's so cold outside. I'm all snuggled up in
front of my little infernal entertainment fireplace.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
It's so toasty. I could stay here forever.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
Like a hug and a bug in a mug, I
mean a bug in a mug in a buck.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
From sugar Plumps ps.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
This is for you. You got a photo of someone?
Oh it's a photo of her. Okay, you're just.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
Burning the lotta and burning the photo. Also canonically, in
my I don't know some things. Maybe you're supposed to
save them and it's useful later, but oh well, I
burned it in my head. Canonically, sugar Plumps is Sweet Bunny. Oh,
the guy that he's playing the first hour so of
the game. I was like, this is sweet Bunny and
she lives next to me and we've.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
Burn I I wonder if inferno is used.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
Uh sorry, going hello, it's me again. It smells like
something's burning. Did you get a little inferno fireplace too?
It seems like everybody has one these days. Everyone I
know has one, and everyone I don't know.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
Has one too. Burning stuff is pretty fun, but be careful.
The instruction said, there's something even more dangerous than fire.
But I burned them, so we'll never know from your
new friend sugar plumps.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
So you were saying, sorry, I got excited into the
burning stuff.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
I wonder if the use of the word inferno as
opposed to fire is a reference to like Dante's Inferno
is something about like there's a little bit something, a
little bit hellish, a little bit amiss about this. It
wouldn't surprise me there are some a little bit more
demonic like that will like be a little idol or
oh yeah, I am very curious to see, like if

(11:01):
it escalates from a cozy game into something darker and
darker as we go along, or if it just kind
of remains this.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
Yeah, and I level it's at. I don't exactly know
how it's supposed to end, except for like, I think
the goal is to get all the combos. This is
someone else's picture comm Bikeyle, thank you, oh bye bye. Okay,
Well that makes sense some of you some of these
are just gonna get excidentally, but some of these you're

(11:30):
gonna have to work for. There was one where I
was like stumped for the longest time, and I swear
I burned the two things together that were supposed to
be burned earlier, but maybe the timing, like maybe maybe
you're supposed to put them on the fire exactly the
same time.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
Sure it's me again, ha ha, I already burned all
my stuff, frownie. Will you send me something? I need
some more fireflies? Drag a little jar fireflies right here
into this envelope for me.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
Okay, bags, So first of all, have to go in
here and purchase the fireflies. Okay, while I'm here, I'll
grab a few other things. Oh so you can purchase
just whatever. Picture of my legs on school bus and
then yes, school stars to hit up celebration bus. Okay,

(12:19):
so we got to remember to give her the gift.
I don't know why it's o hi there. I don't
know why it's pointing. That's not why I meant hit
and I did know that. Okay.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
Do you do you gain something by being nice to her?

Speaker 1 (12:35):
You continue friendship. I don't know what happens if you
ignore her. Potentially she gets really mad and starts trying
to kill you. But I've not gone that path.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
I wonder if eventually she'll start asking for more than
you could give.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
It's possible. I never got super duper Gary vibes, just
sweet money vibes off of her, just sweet bunny vibes. Okay,
you never know, but she's This is her thank you
letter that's showing up, I think.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
Okay, okay, thank thank you for my new fireflies. Each
one was like a little wish. I set them free
to see where they would go. But they all burned up.
They wouldn't last forever. Oh I got you something. Okay,
it's attached. Just flip over the letter, flip it, but

(13:18):
back again. Okay, here it is. It's pretty. You got
a paper heart. I love that she would totally not
be mad that you are burning things, because she too
understands the obsession with burning things.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
Also, I guess it's not a school full of children.
This seems to be a school was full of zombie children.
Oh interesting, This one's harder to bring. And it's also
like not a full sez. Yeah wow, that's kind of cray.
I mean it burns and then explode. There are some
things that explode pretty nicely and this one nice Okay, yeah,
it's bloody explode. Okayplod. So let's see if we can

(13:59):
maybe turn because it doesn't need to be overwhelming with well, yeah,
I want to keep enough of like nice ASMR but
also be able to talk. Yeah. Okay, So for nine
to eleven, I have.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
I have believed for about three four years, I've been
pretty pretty confident in my belief that that nine to
eleven was an inside job. Like I've I've pretty extensively
looked into it, and I've been pretty certain for a
long time. And I find that the like jetfield doesn't

(14:40):
melt steel beams thing to be like the least interesting
thing about it. And there's things that I find to
be like much more compelling pieces of evidence that to
some extent it was an inside job. Even if that
was just Osama, bin Land had somebody on the inside
who was able to tell him when Norad was having
their wargame such that he would have even the opportunity

(15:02):
to do what he did. There was just too much.
There are some things that are just too much for
me to believe that, like, oh he just got lucky
and lust the demon was just whispering in his ear,
in which case.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
Yeah, sure, too many coincidences of too much luck. Yeah, okay,
are you able to get the TV? Uh? Yes? Hold on?
What is this? Or seeing me to find honest. Okay, yes,
the TV, TV and the corn yes. Oh hold on,
I gotta burn something real quick because I have or

(15:35):
let's do the letter and then i'll have what.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
Lee to INFRONTO was filled with secrets, and I just
found one.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
Don't worry, I won't tell you. That would be a
spoiler dot. But it's really good. I think she's talked
with the combos.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
Oh okay, okay, I'm just going to draw something here.
Ooh it's a clock plus a flower. Yes, and tell
you to death. Only do not burn those two things together.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
Hahush.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
And there are more more combinations than can ever be listed.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
Love sugar plumps. So let me burn this. And I'm
trying to remember what I got. Okay, I need this
is a TV, so I need to get the cord. Okay,
so this is irrelevant accidentally about this one when I
wanted a different one. I'm alto lining up for another.

(16:30):
Okay combo Oh okay.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
So what I may do is not necessarily pause and
read every single thing unless you think it's important.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
Breaking weather report, it's going to be another cold one, folks.
The snow has been coming down faster and faster every day.
Colder than the last, that can't last forever. He build
a nice cozy fire and stay warm inside. Folks, Hey
reporting from the weather balloon, over the smokestacks, over the city,
the weather man. Yeah, some of these things, if I

(17:00):
just leave them on screen long enough for the audience
to read them, you don't feel like you have to, Okay,
But I mean it's your goal.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
Yeah, I think that that's I.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
Think that's good because I'm thinking about for the audio listeners,
it's probably really annoying that I keep like talking about
something that they want to.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
Hear about flow or whatever.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
So we're burning the TV and the corn together. Which
I happened to have known beforehand was the movie like Combo.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
I didn't tell you about that one, And I haven't
forgot the Clock and Flower one. I was just also
prepping for another Combo. Sure, absolutely, okay.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
So but there are things about nine to eleven that
you can just keep going and keep going and keep going,
and I.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
Think I think sometimes.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
You don't know when to stop, even even on a
conspiracy theory that has some really solid stuff to it.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
I think that.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
As far as like really popular conspiracy theories go, the
evidence that something's off about the nine to eleven narrative
is pretty strong, whether whatever, like extent to which you
think that that's the case, whether it's just Osama bin
Land had a guy on the inside feeding him some information,
or something more extensive than that. Osama bin Lund wasn't
even involved that kind of thing. Yeah, it was Rumsfeld

(18:16):
Bush all them to a drum up war in Iraq.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
But in the last year.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
I've become really uncomfortable with considering myself a nine to eleven.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
Truther because.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
I used Okay, backing up a little bit, I remember
very very early in starting Conspiracy Pill back when the
show was Conspiracy Pilled, doing a doing a little bonus
episode where we went through this conspiracy pyramid where basically
the idea was like it always goes back to anti Semitism,

(18:56):
Like the bottom of the pyramid might be oh yeah,
really innocent conspiracy theories, but as you go up the pyramid,
it just gets more and more sus until the top
of the pyramid is anti Semitism. And I remember really
mocking that idea at the time, mocking the idea that
all conspiracy theories come back to antisemitism, and that's so Overwraw,

(19:21):
don't be ridiculous, I'm not being anti Semitic to ask
questions about nine to eleven and all of this stuff.
And then the more I've watched the conspiracy community, the
conspiracy world go, the more I've started to see, actually,
it seems.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
Like that's what happens.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
Like, Yeah, everybody, you get in on some very very
innocent theory, moon landing something like that, and then in
a couple of years you go off the deep end
into and it always seems to land sooner or later

(20:03):
in blaming the Jews for everything. And then once somebody
starts to blame the Jews, starts to just ask questions
which is about Israel, it just becomes this insane obsession.
And anyone who's like even a little bit online right now,
I think, is watching this play out with Cannice Owens
where she's just so she's clearly lost her mind and

(20:25):
she can't focus on anything else. Ian Carroll as well,
can't think of a single thing other than other than Israel,
other than the Jews. And one of the question I've
seen people ask is like, do people go crazy because

(20:46):
they got into antisemitism or do they get into anti
Semitism because they went crazy.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
And that's kind of.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
The same question I asked with conspiracy theories. Do people
get into conspiracy theories because they went crazy or do
people go crazy because they got into conspiracy theories? And
I think it's the second one. People go crazy because
they get too far into conspiracy theories. People lose their
grip on reality because they begin to question too much

(21:18):
of reality and not have a good standard for truth,
not have something good that they're holding on to to
center them, and they're doing all this research and they're
picking apart everything and they get addicted to this feeling
of like I'm never going to be deceived and I
find out the truth and I find the hidden truth
and you can never get me. And I'm always calling

(21:41):
out the demonic whatever behind everything until you can't recognize it.
Sometimes things are just simple. Sometimes things are exactly what
they appear to be. Sometimes when a trans furry freak,
a guy into trans porn dating a trans ferry who

(22:01):
has stated to his family members that he thought Tarlie
Charlie Kirk was hateful and then says that he killed him,
sometimes like.

Speaker 1 (22:11):
It's that simple, Yeah, that's that's who did it. I
have a friend who's trying to insist that this guy
was a groper, and it's like, no groper is going
to call Charlie Kirk hateful. He's going to call him
not hateful enough, right, right, Like this guy was very
clearly a leftist.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
It's so obviously, and anybody it is absolutely It's it's
absurd to me. It's insane to me that there are
a bunch of people who are ostensibly on the right
who are going out of their minds trying to trying

(22:45):
to blame the Jews, trying to blame Israel instead of
blaming the person who obviously did it right. And you
end up making excuses for people you should never be
making excuses for.

Speaker 1 (22:59):
You end up helping the left.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
You end up in Candace's desperation to blame Netan Yahoo
or whatever she's trying to do, she's not holding the
left accountable for the ideologies that pushed this thing.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
And so back to nine to.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
Eleven, I think that, first of all, I think that
we've we've made some really pertinent conclusions about the left
because of who celebrated.

Speaker 1 (23:34):
Charlie's death.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
There's a lot of people, tens of thousands, if not millions,
of people who celebrated Charlie Kirk's murder who did not
commit the murder. Right, Yes, but I think we all
realize that. So you found a second catalog.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
Yes, oh there's a free instructional video. Do you want
me to I'm gonna let me finish my thoughts.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
Yeah, the people who celebrated it in some ways like, yes,
they didn't actually commit the murder, and perhaps they're just
LARPers and they never would actually commit a murder, but
there's some level on which it's like, but I count
you as my enemy just as much as the person
who actually committed the.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
Murder because they sharkened down to it.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
Yeah, and you have to recognize it, like even if
nine to eleven was an inside job who celebrated it.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
Yeah, Islam like.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
Islamic Nations worldwide, Hamas in particular, Palestine in particular, Iran,
like bin Laden was like I did it, and I
don't know if he did it, because there's like, that's
a thing that happens all the time. Is that a
bad terror you know, a terrorist attack will happen and
maybe it was just a random person acting alone or whatever,
But isis will take credit for it, or some terrorist

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organization will happily take credit for it because they want
you to believe they have that kind of power.

Speaker 1 (24:55):
They want to create that fear.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
They don't care if they actually did it or not,
because spirit like they are on the side of it.
They are celebrating it, they are taking ownership of it.
And so regardless of what you think of like the
actual who specifically did it and how spiritually Islam definitely
did nine to.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
Eleven, morally, if you are okay with it, then you
are just as much a murderer as an actual murder
because you've committed murdering your heart, which the bubble as
clear as that's yeah, all right, go ahead, And.

Speaker 4 (25:27):
Hey, do you like toys?

Speaker 5 (25:32):
You know what's more fun than playing with toys? Sending
them on fire with your nude middle inferno entertainment fire place.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
The toys are dancing like they're not gonna die. Wait,
I've got the backs of lining. Wow when I start
playing with fire with.

Speaker 4 (26:16):
Dangerous Well, you're right, but up out of your chimney,
way up in the sky. It's been snowing for years
and we just don't know why our world is getting colder.
But there's no need for alarm. Just sit by your fire,

(26:37):
burn all of your toys, and stay warm sort of.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
I have a theorytopian. Yeah, you've got the verdict. The
whole world's burning.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
Yeah, oh my goodness. Huh. So my theory here is
that this from from the video, the smoke coming up
from all the people's firebox is causing the cooling, which
is causing the snow, which is causing people to want

(27:22):
to sit in front of their fireplaces just burning things.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
Yeah. Also side note, I know I've gotten this before.
I'm blanking all the generations combo. So this is an
entire generation in the palm off your hands. So I
know that's part of it. I remember I tried burning this.
That doesn't work.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
Tut together people, the people, the other family photo, the
family photo, this maybe somebody else's family portrait.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
Yeah, yeah, let's try that and that, because I think
it's has to be combination of things on this. I
don't know the.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
Blancoing, what's what's the one in the bottom left corner?

Speaker 1 (28:02):
This is your own photo? Oh okay, yeah, I don't
picture think it's huh, although maybe it's now I think
it is. I mean it's possible it's something from here
that I have. Is it kumbo only two things or
is it sometimes more? I think it's only two. That's
my understanding. Let's let's burn these items together. See what

(28:23):
sort of happens. I'm gonna wait till this stuff kind
of dies out, because I also feel like I think
I tried a school bus and an eggsact together. But okay,
you can never try. I'm gonna just move this. I
don't want the fire to start. Wept, oh spider, Okay, yeah, okay.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
Dude, we're just throwing everything in there at once. I
guess burning as many things together at a time as
makes it more likely that you're gonna get there.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
Okay, So it was the picture and the thing, Okay,
right now, that's I told you. I could have told me,
and then we did a letter to open. Okay, that stuff,
burn it, and it gives you more money than when
you started. Oh, I lovers, you're being financially incentivised things.

(29:21):
Oh I hope they Yeah, I hope they release a
free update of Lethal Infernal Fireplace with pink log from
sugar Plums ps. That thing in the back it looks
like a face, but it's not PSPs pps, but I
can see you, but it can see you. It definitely
looks like a face. Yeah, it's very sort of a

(29:43):
big brother.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
And it's got its eyes because I wonder if it's
ever gonna wake up for any reason.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
Yeah, because it says there's gonna end sometime. But there's
like all these catalogs to burn through first, and then
so we've finished all the combos for the first set
of catalogs. So now we have seafares. Ooh yeah, sea fares.
I think. Oh, so it does go across catalogs because
you probably want, you probably want, and then you want.
It hasn't been uploaded yet, but I think this, so

(30:09):
I have to buy up to that point, okay, best friends,
supplement pills, I think a soil barge or there might
be another ship later on, okay, so we'll see if
those and then at some point I can buy an
extra space. I forget when that becomes the possibility interesting.
I like it. I like it. I like it. Have
you used any stamps yet? Two or three? I think three.

(30:32):
You earn them pretty regularly, two from combos and then
you can just get a random stamps sometimes, so they're
pretty easy to replenish best friend supplement pills terrifying bear
like I would that's huge, Yeah and kind of pervy looking. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
Yeah, yeah, this is a pretty dark game. You're not
gonna lie.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
Yeah, you're right. Well, I mean a game about burning
things is going to be imaginably dark. I would think. See,
I wanted to click, and they don't gowa if you
don't click on them, but I find satisfaction and clicking themself.
So building bricks combo, I already know what that's gonna be.
Fire with the combo, Let's see if we can do this.
So we need building a lot this and then we

(31:13):
did the first one, we get bricks ah, and then
the fire breathers combo. I don't have everything unlock for that,
so let's just unlock for some more stuff.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
Snake surprise, Pyrannosaurus plushy.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
Interesting, So it was the next topic. Are you still
are we still on the other one? Yeah? So a
little bits still on nine to eleven.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
Yeah, where One of the things I noticed about nine
to eleven Truthers is is a lot of anger when
somebody would anger on both sides, anger from somebody who
believed it was inside job, when other people thought it
was real, like also thought that the talibant that thought

(31:53):
that vin Land did I'm sorry what.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
There were surranges in the snake surprize box Storry going
oh yeah, Talan, yeah, and there were there are anger.
There's anger from people who are like, quit with the
conspiracy theory. It's so disrespectful or whatever, don't even talk
about it.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
Yeah, And that's something I've been thinking about a lot lately.
I'm going to kind of circle back to the idea
of like, at what point where is the line for
for something to be disrespectful? Yeah, because i think my
position had been if you're asking questions in order to
get to the truth, how could that possibly be disrespectful?

(32:32):
Like your motivation is the truth? So how can that
about about and what you know?

Speaker 1 (32:41):
Why would sorry, don't do that? Oh sorry ye? Why would.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
Wanting to know the truth, trying to investigate and find
the truth about why somebody really died? Why would that
be disrespectful to their memory? And I've pretty fiercely defended
of like I've seen people say it is an American
to question the nine to eleven narrative, and it's it's
really disrespectful to those who fought in Iraq and all

(33:14):
these things, and I'm like, but the truth matters, though,
and it's searching for the truth is never going to
be disrespectful.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
But I I.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
Was uncomfortable at like the anger and like, oh, you're you,
you stupid sheep.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
You believe the the regular narrative about about you believe
Bin Laden blew things up.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
And so I anytime, like, sometimes somebody is going to
be defending something true, but they don't know how to
defend it really well. So they're getting angry. And that's
not necessarily a definition of the of the thing. But
I started to examine, like I've been thinking a lot
about like fruit and how the fruit of something defines it,

(34:01):
and like, what what is the fruit of believing that
nine to eleven was an inside job?

Speaker 1 (34:09):
Yeah? What is?

Speaker 2 (34:14):
And I think in general, there's like a yeah, we
were recognizing that our government is that bad. Our government,
the military industrial complex, the the warhawks, the desire for war.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
I think there's a lot of people who have reached
the same conclusions.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
About our country without questioning the nine to eleven narrative.
And I do think that in a lot of ways,
it's like pretty good, pretty good evidence for it by itself.
It's a little bit, it's very roundabout way. But if
people have reached the truth of the conclusions through other avenues,
then the specific nine to eleven issue by just looking

(34:55):
at where the money's going and looking at who the
warhawks are, and looking at how the war in Iraq
laid out, and how there were no weapons of mass
destruction and just the level of deceit in different areas. Right,
So I I don't see any particular evil outcome in
believing that nine to eleven wasn't was an inside.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
Job, as long as you're not like denying that there's
an issue with Islam. I think that once you deny that,
that can be it.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
And here's where we get to the problem, because.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
Is that like a singing Viking? And it's more dramatic
by the the firework guy put in there too.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
Yeah, I love it. I love the rose puddles coming down. Fantastic.
That was that was particularly satisfying. It was and turned
respect I had turned it up a little bit when
the video was playing. But what I have begun to
see more and more is the the dancing Israeli's thing,

(36:04):
the conspiracy theories about Israel doing it that were literally
started by like the dad of one of the hijackers.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
Yeah, like why would we want to go to them
for a source?

Speaker 2 (36:16):
When when when it's a choice between do I think
not necessarily Bush himself, because I think he's kind of
too dumb for that, but thinking about like did did
the Bush administration, did the military industrial industrial complex, the
deep state, whatever, whatever group of people did they do it?

(36:42):
Versus did Osama bin lad to do it? I look
at the evidence and I go, yeah, I definitely think
the deep state did it to whatever extent that that's right,
And I've never been certain exactly who who I thought
did it, Like the motivation seems clear, but as far
as like actually pointing fingers, I wow, did you.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
Just make a nuclear blast? Coop? Yeah, I burned a nuke?
That seems uh, that seems good. Oh, I'm sorry to
carry on.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
But when it's a choice between do I believe Islam
did it? And do I believe the Jews did it?
Then of course I believe Islam did it because I
know who celebrated when it happened, and it was Islam. Yeah,
So the idea that the Jews did it, but that
Islam celebrated is insane. It's anti Semitism. Hating the Jews,

(37:43):
hating Israel.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
Is like a key it's a key feature of Islam.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
Yeah, and then I and then watching that kind of
go down, And some of this is reactionary on my part,
and I will freely admit that. But watching some of that,
I'm like, if this this is what nine eleven trutherism
is at the end of the day, if this is
the end of the conspiracy theory, if this is the
actual fruit of it, and I don't think it necessarily

(38:12):
is or has to be, but then I don't want
to be associated with it. Like I'm kind of at
the point where I really wouldn't say anything about Building
seven or any piece of evidence regarding nine to eleven
on Twitter because it would it would very quickly be
picked up by really bad actors who would use me

(38:35):
and use my words to come to conclusions that I
disagree with and hate. And I'm at the point where
I'm not actually interested in absolving Islam of anything, right,
especially since they celebrated it, especially since bin Laden took
credit for it, And I think that of all the.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
Evidence I've looked into with nine to eleven.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
I haven't looked very I haven't really at all looked
into the bin Laden videos side of things. I've taken
other people's. It hasn't interested me enough to not do
my own research on it, because I was already convinced
without it. But there's a lot of people who have gone, well,
he ages backwards, or he was probably already dead, or

(39:20):
like the translation is bad, and I'm like, I don't
think you have to go so far out of your
way to try to dismiss video evidence of bin Laden
saying that he did. I think that either you can
say he was involved and he was happy to say
he was involved, or he was happy to take credit
for something he knew he didn't like actually do because
it's spiritually aligned with what he wanted. But I think

(39:41):
that because I haven't looked into it, maybe the evidence
is really good that those videos were faked, But it
just seems like the more evidence you have to dismiss, yeah,
that cuts against your position.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
The more suspicious your position is.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
Like, oh, sure it's great, oh bo bin Laden said
he did it, but but you know all those videos
were faked by like how much I think the complexity
of conspiracy theory, the complexity of the op matters of like, yeah,

(40:19):
how do I think that they planned to bring the
towers down? And then somebody got a little opportunistic and
as everything all the chaos was happening with the towers
decided to launch a missile at the Pentagon to like
bring it under the same thing. I think I could

(40:40):
completely buy that. But then when we're like, Okay, now
we're also trying to find ways to dismiss the plane
in the field, and we're trying to find ways to
dismiss the videos, and we're trying to find ways to
dismiss whatever it is, then it starts to be like, Okay,
your case is getting a little bit weaker.

Speaker 1 (40:59):
How simple? How simple can you keep it?

Speaker 2 (41:01):
If the generally the truth is fairly simple, like Aucom's
razor is a solid one, Like if your conspiracy theory is, no,
I think it was just a simple like we hadn't
tell that this was going to happen. Maybe what I
should say is that I've kind of moved from thinking
it was a my hop to thinking it was a

(41:23):
lie hop.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
If you know the distinction of that as far as
made it happen on purpose as supposed to let it happen, Okay,
on purpose? Yeah, And I think that.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
There's I think probably where I'm landing is Osama bin
Laden was involved, and all the hijackers were Islamic, Like
we know that.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
Like, I don't think anyone's questioned that. And if they
question that, then it's just because they reject reality.

Speaker 5 (41:48):
Thing.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
And and why if the United if the whole thing
was the United States trying to drum up war to
serve our own ends so that we get to hurt
these nations, take their oil or whatever it is that
we wanted to do, why would why would these people

(42:09):
who were so loyal to Islam into their nations and
so hateful of the United States and our interests that
they are willing to give.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
Their lives for it.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
Why would they participate they had any idea that this
was our plan? And I think it's I haven't heard
compelling evidence that they didn't participate, that they didn't actually
that the hijackers that we know that have been named
didn't participate. Now, I think that there's this stuff about, oh,

(42:38):
the passport fell out of the plane and landed in
the street, and this is how we know it was
this guy, Like that is really suss that jet fuel
can melt steel beams but it can't melt passports.

Speaker 1 (42:48):
Like that's really suspicious to me. I find I find
that very very difficult to believe. Yeah, it doesn't make
a whole lot of sense.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
But this and this is a strong theme I want
to start bringing up in this episode. The truth is
really strong. I think that there's a the truth will out,
It has a way of coming out. And I think
that there is a false belief in conspiracy circles that
the truth is weak and that it needs a lot

(43:16):
of research and secret knowledge and a lot of work
on our part and a lot of not being deceived
and a lot of you know, asking questions and all
this for us to find it. A lot of like
tearing down narratives and things. And with nine to eleven,
I'm like, it was so long ago that I think

(43:38):
most of the truth that was going to come out
is going to come is out. Like there are things
that we it took us longer to get the files
on right. We're still waiting on some of the JFK
files we're still waiting on. It took a long time
for the MKLTRI files to come out, So like, I'm
not saying that at some point we might not get
some something more conclusive as like an explicit as far.

Speaker 1 (43:59):
As nin and goes.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
But yeah, as far as like good evidence that we
faked a bunch of videos of bin Laden, or good
evidence that bin Laden was dead the whole time, or
good evidence. I'm getting a little bit lost watching you
and also just kind of in my in my fe no, no,

(44:22):
you're good, you're good.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
I mean, I don't have to I don't have to
watch the game off. I I think that there's a
core idea that.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
We Well, it is well documented that the CIA knew
something was coming, that they were they were expecting something,
so that's not even a conspiracy theory. And then it
is also well documented that on the morning when Norad
was supposed to be protecting that airspace, they didn't protect
it because they were playing a war game, and the
war game was planes flying into buildings, so that the

(44:58):
the general who was in charge of the wargame is
on record saying I didn't know it was real. We
didn't know what was real until the first plane actually hit.
So to me, that's like, okay, they knew an attack
was coming, and and bin Laden had to know that
they were doing the wargames and like what and somebody

(45:18):
designed the wargame. Somebody either designed the wargame to be
the plan that bin Lan wanted to do, or bin
Laden knew what the wargame was, so he knew what
plan he should do.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
Hmm, if that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
So there's a lot of there's too much of that
to think that he had no insider help.

Speaker 1 (45:37):
Ooh, you got curt Yeah, my neighbor sugar pumps with
my neighbor, and she got me these currents and I
can't burn them.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
You can't burn them unburnable curtains.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
She knows me, she loves me. Oh, I love it.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
Okay, that's a mystery though. How can you burn the
things that you can burn right and not burn the currents?
What are the curtains made of?

Speaker 1 (45:54):
Passports? They're probably made out passports. Also, this is the
deadly fish comba. We've got some I think it's gas
station sushi and the puffer fish that just popped Deadly
fish combo. Love it and look flies come up out
of them. They also come out of the sausage. When I, oh, yeah,
I saw that. It was fun. That was great. I
am saving the one for you cause they said I
might need it later, so I'm resisting burning it.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
It is fun watching things explode. Do you like your
new curtains? They are so pretty. There's nothing like a
well decorated home. But don't worry, they are fireproof. Love
sugar plumps.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
Yeah. So I'm kind of I'm at the point with
nine eleven where.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
I'm like, I don't want to absolve Islam, and I
want whatever the conspiracy theory to be as simple as possible,
because I think we're too many years out from the
event for it to not be simple, for it to
not be this one person open the door for this
to happen.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
And it could be.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
Somebody whose name will never know because they weren't actually
that like, it might not be Rumsfeld, it might not
be Bush, it might not be any of them. It
might be something else entirely. Yeah, yeah, and it could
be Demonic.

Speaker 1 (47:19):
It could be like we've talked.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
We talked last week about some of the like Masonic
ritual significance potentially of the towers and the Pentagon going
and that particular combination of things being destroyed almost like
almost randomly and having Masonic significance that meant something too,

(47:47):
is Yeah, that is fascinating to me.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
If you're trying to make sense of something a different
culture with different bluefs is done. Sometimes it's not gonna
make sense if you're using your own metrics of right,
your value, like what would I do to mess up
a nation or something? What would I think was significant? Right? Right?

Speaker 2 (48:06):
And it could be like a combination of things too,
where I don't know what to make of the plane
in the field I have it's very strange that there's
no plane there, and yet the passport survived and some
like clothing survived in order to like identify, like there's
so much that's really weird, really really weird about that
when you look at other plane crashes and there's fuselage
and there's all this, but when you look at the

(48:28):
plane in the field, it's not there. And when you
look at when you look at the Pentagon, there's no plane.
There's there's no like. But I find explaining the Pentagon
as just like Rumsfeld saw his opportunity in the midst
of the chaos and launched a missile at the area

(48:48):
of the Pentagon that he knew he was in trouble
about yeah, like just uh, just like a chaotic day
of this thing that didn't require a huge conspiracy. It
was just like a quick quick call in a missile
like Yeah. But the thing I hate about the field
issue is that it is way too complicated, like any
way you slice it, explaining how there could have been

(49:10):
a plane there but they still got passports and identifying
things and all of this stuff, Like either side of
the narrative, it feels like inexplicable, and that unsettles me. Yeah,
And I don't like a conspiracy theory or a narrative
that unsettles me, because I don't like feeling like where

(49:31):
is the truth?

Speaker 1 (49:32):
Why can't I find it? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (49:36):
Yeah, that one probably will always get to me. And
maybe there is an easy explanation out there and I'm
just not aware of it because I've been too soaked
in the nine to eleven truth or stuff.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
And maybe I need to. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
One of my I think failings in some of my
research has been.

Speaker 1 (49:56):
I haven't.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
Oftentimes when I'm doing the research, I don't necessarily go
for the explicitly debunking the conspiracy theory books because they're
so right haughty, and yeah, they seem deceitful and they
are just kind of insufferable to read.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
And so I did with QAnon.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
When I researched q and On, I read a very
critical book about QAnon, and I just found it to
be like, it was helpful in some regards, but I
found it to be so deceitful and gas lady and
politically charged and just not like helpful for my search
of truth.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
Which one was that one? Was that the one you
got me that was self published for the like our
thing where we buy like horrible self published books. Oh no, no,
that was you did get me one q and On.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
Oh yeah, no, it was by a I think it
was by a ross child, but not like one of
those Ross childs or children as children mm hm, but yeah,
it was. It was I don't even remember what it
was called, but it was. I think it was one
of the like definitive works on q Andon. But it
was very much like it was very politically charged and

(51:14):
in deceitful and so and I want to be careful
that I'm not going. Oh I have already before I
started the research, predetermined where I think I should land.
And so I'm going to label anything I know is
going to try to leave me in a different direction deceitful. However,
there is a spirit of debunking conspiracy theories that I have,
at least in the past, really not liked because it's

(51:36):
so left. It's it's so all conspiracy theories are trumpers,
all conspiracy theorists are QAnon, All conspiracy theorists are Ancisemitic,
and it's just it's just full of spirit, it's full
of deceit. And so it's difficult to take anything else
they say seriously because I already know that they're not
operating in good faith. So I'm like, well, how do
I know you're not leaving out important evidence here? And
so their books don't feel feel helpful in find the truth.

(52:00):
But then I think I probably wait too much in
the other direction of I'm not hearing some of the
key arguments against the conspiracy theory because I'm not reading
those books, and that's that's a difficult place to be. Yeah,
And I think that there's a point at which I'm like,
I don't really want to dedicate my life to getting
to the bottom of this one conspiracy theory just doesn't

(52:22):
actually matter.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
Because even if you get at the bottom of it,
what does it change? Really? Yeah, what is it?

Speaker 5 (52:27):
What is it?

Speaker 1 (52:29):
What does it gain you?

Speaker 2 (52:30):
And I think that that's coming out to the idea
of like, the truth is really powerful. The truth is
so much stronger than a lie. Eventually, the truth comes out, Eventually,
somebody talks, Eventually whatever it is is revealed, right, Yeah,
it happened really quickly with COVID. I think most of
the time, it happens really quickly. And then sometimes things

(52:51):
are a bit more complex and it's it's more difficult,
like with JFK, I think, yeah, And some things like
they just remain thorny for a long time. And I
think they remain thorny because either direction you go, it
requires a high level of faith because of the chaos
of the of the issue. Like even if I went
back to believe it, even if I was like, Nope,
it was an out completely outside job Bin Laden acted alone,

(53:12):
blah blah blah blah blah, there would still there's still
so much about the story that I would struggle with
on a like truth perception. Yeah, place, I think those
are the most interesting ones to talk about. But I
think those are the ones that people get the most
angry talking about because people on both sides are the
most insecure with their positions on it. And I think

(53:33):
sometimes there are things where we're like, this is going
to get sorted out in the end, and we're probably
going to realize that what happened was a bunch of
evil people with a bunch of different motives all jumped
on the same yeah, the same opportunity.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
It was like multiple principalities were all working together and
their plans converge as like a crossover.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
Yeah, But I think it's it's way easier to believe
like everyone kind of opportunistically jumped in once they realized
something was afoot, as opposed to, oh, there was this
high level of coordination where they knew they were going
to do the towers and they knew that they were
going to do the Pentagon, and then they like orchestrated
the thing with the field to like drum up this

(54:17):
and that. And I think the mainstream truth or narrative
is a little bit too complex for me to really buy.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
Yeah, and I don't think it would have held up.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
Like the more difficult your off is to pull off,
the more people are involved, and the more likely that
the truth is to come out because the more people
know about it and feel guilty about it.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
So, and I'm kind of at the point now where
I'm like, how much do I care? How much do
I actually care about who did nine to eleven? Regardless
of who did nine to eleven, there's stuff about the
Iraq War that was just really messed up. Yeah, And
regardless of nine eleven. I love America and regardless of
my I love it. I think that our nation has

(55:01):
the right to defend itself, and I think that every
nation right is probably the wrong word, but I'm gonna
use it because I don't have a better word. But
I think every nation has the right to defend themselves imperfectly.
Every nation has the right to defend themselves in a
way that it's like, yeah, probably there's going to be
things that look bad. Probably there's going to be missteps, probably,
like no one is perfect in war, war is really massy.

(55:24):
Sometimes really ugly things are necessary, and sometimes really ugly
things weren't necessary, but they seem necessary at the time.
And it's that like human imperfection that leads to them,
because you just find anything in the moment right and
there are some things where I'm like, I want to
hold my nation to account for things, and sometimes I'm like,
but I don't want people like I'm not going to

(55:45):
hold Israel to a higher standard than I want my
nation held to. And I think that there's like just
just critiques of the war in Iraq and unjust critiques
of the war in Iraq. I think there's just critiques
of the way Nittanya who has handled things uh in
in Palestine and in unjust critiques and because there's everyone's

(56:06):
gonna do things. And I think that like the when
they then they bombed the Catholic Church, Yeah, I think
it's like, yeah, well that's kind of an objectively shitty
thing to happen.

Speaker 1 (56:16):
Did they intentionally bombed or was it I think it
because it was like damage to part of the church.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
I think you can recognize like some I'm still a
mistake happens, and it's awful, Like it's war, it's awful.
I'm not gonna sit here and be like I don't
care about the church, right, but I'm also not going
to be like, oh, Israel's crossed the line.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
Now they accidentally bombed a church, and now they're the
devil like, yeah, like, if you're gonna go buy that metric,
then America is way worse than than Palestine. I mean,
the real America's is not worse than he.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
Do you happen to know our time? How long we've
been recording?

Speaker 1 (56:53):
Where would it tell me? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
Let's see rumble studio is not telling me, And I
wish I had looked at the Oh, it looks like
an hour an hour okay, okay, good, So we might
not see the end of this game. We can we
can always do another stream with it. Yeah, that's true,
because there's yeah I could.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
Yeah. Also, I was given a random egg. It's a spot.
I'm saving this because I feel like it's gonna be important. Okay,
because she said it might be important someday I have
a random egg. Normally I just go ahead and burn
it because it's filling up my spots. But okay, are

(57:36):
you just not gonna but thank you? There was an
easter bunny combo. Oh so I feel like the egg
might go for the easter bunny. Okay, but I don't
have a bunny. I don't think. Mmm, I don't see
anything in here that counts.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (57:55):
Wait, is this the rabbit. Oh oh eager bunny plushy? Yeah, definitely?
But do I burn it with the egg? Or do
I burn it with the eggs? Maybe? Just do all three?
But what if they guess something's better I did the egg?
Was the egg not purchasable? Did you know? I just
showed up in one of the letters from Nancy, the

(58:15):
lady who owns the game, like and it's probably not
part of the combo?

Speaker 3 (58:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (58:19):
I said, random thing is? Should should just burn it?
Or should I save it? I don't know. I don't
know enough about the game. Can you google? Do I
have to save the egg? And little in forno?

Speaker 2 (58:29):
No, I'm I'm not giving you here. You deliberate, you
go over that. I'm gonna use the bathroom. O quick, okay,
wet me to posit. I'll keep plainly one. So come
to my unboxing. We are going to be burning a rabbit,
a fake rabbit for legal purposes. Yes, that was the
Easter Bundy combo.

Speaker 1 (58:49):
So let's see. Oh, we got more than any things coming.
So how are y'all today? I know you can't tell
me in the comments right now, but I'm just gonna
imagine that you're all having a lovely day because you
were to me so lol kitty, I forgot about that one.
I have to presumably I get this little kitty, But
what is the lol part? Is it the surprise that

(59:11):
would make me laugh where I don't think i'd played
this far before in my reconnaissance, So I think what
would constitute oh lol could be lots of love instead
of laugh out loud. So maybe best friends supplement pills
or a cold metal heart. We're gonna put that in

(59:32):
there too, and just for fun, a disgruntled elf. I
think that takes up all my spots. I do like
how many stamps you get, because initially I had been
rational in them, but I feel like I have enough
to be just really impatient. We all my packages, which
tells me this game rewards impatience and rashness. Love that
woof spider um. So we're just gonna just burn this
Pilo stuff and see if it Woho did not give

(59:56):
me a combo, but that's fine. So yes, do I
burn the egg to burn or not to burn? That
is the question. It is a beautiful egg. Oh I
broke it? Oh no, okay, that was terrifying. I don't
know what that was I'm sorry, ib you missed it.
I got impulsive and picked up the egg and attached

(01:00:20):
something weird. Anyway, Now that's pot free it so l
O L kitty, I could oh liquid diet. Come. Oh
that's three okay, So it does show you when there's three.
I have to tell that to Abby. Remind me, guys
to tell that to Abby when she comes back. So
I got to poychiouse things. Three things for a liquid diet.
But I actually okay, so I haven't bought a purchase

(01:00:41):
any of these things. So right now I'm just gonna
have fun. Oh so, Abby, I discovered two things. I
picked up the egg to hover it for fun, and
it cracked and a weird tentaclely thing came out of it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
I just dropped it onto the thing and then I
couldn't get it back. It was very unwhelming. Oh but
now I'm kind of like, was I supposed to do
that with the egg? I didn't mean too. I just
picked it up and it started like I was just
hovering it and waving it. I didn't burn it yet anyway.
So the other thing I forget if I mentioned this
is that it actually does show you when you need
more things for comments. Oh, it's gonna be three things.
It's gonna get interesting. So there will be two and two,

(01:01:14):
but there's gonna be three. I don't know if there's
ever four and four. Nope, okay, just interesting. So right
now I'm hung up on the lol Kitty combo. I
know the Kidti part. I assume the LL part. Not
so sure. Liquid diet combo and freaked out food combo.
I think the liquid diet combo. I suspect the juicer
is involved. The toasters just for fun. Magic mushrooms are

(01:01:35):
just for fun. So I'm assuming coffee and wine maybe,
which I have to wait to buy it because I'm
out of funds. So let me burn the toaster and
the mushrooms real quick. It's a large mushroom. It has
a really large mussure.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
Oh wait, Oh was bread in the toaster and it's screaming.

Speaker 1 (01:01:59):
Oh there's a smaller mush said the bigger mushroom. Oh
it's like a Bushkadell but mushrooms or fash god all, yes, yeah,
famously the same thing. Let's see. Does this Is it
gonna do anything?

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
Okay? Interesting cloud of sports. Okay, so we need to
purchase uh, wine, and then freaked out foods. The food
is freaked out or I'm freaked out by the food.
I'm guessing mysterious or gerbs mm hm. Potentially this is
kind of sushi.

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
M maybe or the cereal looks freaked out, tooth and
corn breakfast slice okay, and then sasty beetles. I'm assuming sushi.
Oh no, this is a food and it's free. I
don't know. I don't know if I have spots for it.
So we'll buy a more. Mushrooms? Where did you come from?

(01:02:50):
Do they grow? Do I just have an infestation?

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
Now?

Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
Is that a thing? The mushrooms will never go away?

Speaker 5 (01:02:58):
Now?

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
I wonder we've got a wine? Is this there's Oh?
So we have dead rats to go? Oh wait? Whoa Okay,
good job, I guess. Just go in there. I saw

(01:03:19):
the dead rat. That's been fun. Okay, I didn't do
so that was nine to eleven. I've been I wanted to.

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
I wanted to cover nine eleven a little bit around
around nine to eleven. Yes, So I hope I've I've
said enough.

Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
I think that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
There are some things where I've just kind of like
opened the door in my mind to some things that
I was sure about, and I'm like, what if, what
if I was wrong about this?

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
I think we should do that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
I was reading a study Bible that that presented the
other view of saying I don't think that the Nephilim
reading of Genesis six and presented the other view. And
I think one of the things I had said on
the show before that I think somebody corrected me on.
And then that particular study Bible, Oh is it raining?
I did the smoke detector in it? Did?

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
This was a mistake and also it made it some
of my combo with the things I purchased for the
combo didn't burn together. I should have actually waited to
burn that. But that's fine, die you foul wow, Okay,
that I have a letter makes everything better.

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
Breaking weather report forecast says pewey smoky with ghack smoky
with a chance of thick ghack nasal discharge. Ha ha
ghack hack should be smoking smoke stacks as far as
I can see.

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
Hey, hag, we might be destroying the planet.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
Reporting from the weather balloon over the smoke stacks over
the city.

Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
The weather.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
So yes, you're definitely contributing to oh for sure. Uh
I'm climate to change. I've burned several nuclear bombs at
this point.

Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
So yeah, so liquid diet did not work out as
the coffee in this and then the superducer. Okay, so
ice maybe those are dry ice? Do we have anything else?
I have questions? Although, let me go ahead and purchase

(01:05:24):
this new cattle. That might lend some credence.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
I don't know, huh anyway, Okay, well, I'll let you
keep keep playing the soda.

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
Liquid diet. You have functioning eyeballs. I'm like, what use Okay,
let's try this now. Boop boop oop. I do love
how gravity is sort of suggestion here and size I
do like the size ratio of wine coffee. Yeah there

(01:06:01):
we thinking, thank you? Why I keep here? I'm actually
pretty good at this, you are? I like the spiders.
So I've been thinking through like what if I was.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
What if I'm wrong about the sons sons of man
idea where I think I may I am claim that
like the phrase sons of God isn't.

Speaker 1 (01:06:21):
Used at all until the New Testament. Somebody pointed out
to me and I sat in the study Bible that
the children of God, like the children of God is
used and that doesn't necessarily mean that the phrase sons
of God still doesn't specifically mean angels, but it was
a kind of an important distinction, and the study Bible
was reading referenced that first. And like the idea of
the children of God is like God, God's people, it's

(01:06:43):
the spiritual people. And so we I think on the
show we have so thoroughly mocked the like huci Mamas
of Cain idea, and I had this was actually the
first and this is what I'm kind of being convicted
on of. Like am I actually.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
In my research, am I giving a fair sniff to
the the established narrative before I dive into the conspiracy theory?
Like am I actually reading it presented correctly? And the
idea that as the study Bible presented it was it

(01:07:21):
was a big deal that King killed Abel, and it
was a big deal made in Genesis about Kin's line
being evil and increasingly evil, uh huh, And and a
big deal made of the birth of Seth and how
that line was good for a while, and that they

(01:07:42):
were calling on the name of the Lord, and that
Eve had hope that that Seth was going to be
this new new hope. What what else was I thinking here, I.

Speaker 1 (01:07:58):
Do have a question while you're go ahead, Yeah, if
if this is because I have heard the theory, and
I've heard Michael Heiser does talk about the theory and
also about the issues with the theory. My question is,
why would there be need to be a special name
for what is created by the union of the sons
of Seth and the sense of and why would they
be distinguished as like something about Seth's descendants and King's

(01:08:20):
descendants creates the mighty men. Oh maybe it's just saying
these people are kind of warlike that's what characterizes it.
But I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
So I think what you're first, So okay, I'm trying
to steal man this because I still believe in the
enough because I think that like you have to explain
where giants come from, like you're explaining how are you
explaining where giants come from genetically?

Speaker 1 (01:08:40):
If if you're not reading right, unless Kane just is
like really largely genetic or something, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
Yeah, I don't think. I don't think anyone. I haven't
heard anyone who defends the there was no mating with
angels thing explains where they think the giants came from.
And I think that like one of the we recognize that,
like Goliath was really strong and he was one of
the shortest giants. Yeah, he was like not that special

(01:09:06):
on record in the Bible. But people who have like
pituitary tumors, people who were like giants, as we understand them,
they're incredibly weak, yes, like they have real difficulty walking.
They could not remotely hold a staff like a weaver's beam.
And so I think there are some people who are like, sure,
we have gigantism, and they maybe they just don't know

(01:09:28):
the science of it right, and like not realizing that
in order for somebody to be a mighty warrior, it
doesn't make a whole lot of sense for them to
have just a pituitary tumor just to be explicable the
way that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:42):
Right, let's see, let me just make sure that text
wasn't from John No, it was not. Okay, the text
wasn't It was from that year in company trying to get.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
Me by more yarn, and they are going to succeed
very no, as I have so much yarin right now.
I don't have so much yar right now, but I
have enough yarn to lost me several months of knittings.

Speaker 1 (01:10:02):
So that's good. I'm out of stamps. I went hog wild.
Oh something's best customer than one stamp. So my new
theory is that freaked out food involves things that pop.
Oh okay, but I don't know what the third thing
pops because I've got the cereal and the corn mm
food in here. But I don't know. I mean maybe

(01:10:22):
that popped. Actually, okay, I have too many things, but
we'll try that. I'm just gonna burn this invitation meet
Cardboard Man. Uh yeah, an anticlimactic nightline. I wasn't gonna
say anything. Locus eggs, the Darren Gormond who and there's

(01:10:45):
a spin. Okay, I don't have enough stamps. Let's burn
this whoa. It was so big. Oh, I hate it.
And I don't know. If I burn him with the eggs,
something will have it. But go on.

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
So the idea was like, it's a spiritual a spiritual
reality of those two lines coming together, and the idea
of when you start to marry into corrupt families, that
that is corrupting and that is a theme that's like
pretty heavily in the Bible.

Speaker 1 (01:11:07):
Of Life, to not marry outside of Yeah, the Jewish
nation or the Jewish faith or don't don't be unequally
yoked with unbelievers. So that's I appreciate that that if
you read it that way, that is a that's a
continuity of theme in the Bible. I thought that gave
some weight to it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
And then the idea that the first couple generations of
a warlike people married to a godly people might be
very great, Yeah, because they're still like, I don't know
someone who's still got enough of that that quality of
character to be So I guess that wasn't the combos.

(01:11:55):
We'll just have to keep burnusting to see what happens. Yeah.
So I I still think that the sons of God
daughters of men thing is is angels. I think that
it makes a lot of sense with even just so
much of the mythology of like demigods and God sleeping

(01:12:17):
with humans. I mean, I think that there's a lot
of evidence biblically, and I think there's a lot of
evidence in just the world in our mythology and our
understanding of things. But I don't think that that I
will ever mock the the Hucci Mamas of Kine thing
that we've mocked on before.

Speaker 1 (01:12:35):
Because I don't think it's stupid. I don't think it's
stupid to think that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:38):
That because it does, because it could well be it
does have that continuity with the rest of the Bible.

Speaker 1 (01:12:44):
It does.

Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
So I don't know, I think there's just some humility,
like some humbling there where I'm like, I I was
very confident about something and hadn't properly given credence to
the actual theory I was, I was criticizing. I think
I need to be careful. I need to be a

(01:13:07):
lot more careful about that. Yeah, because even with nine
to eleven, Like right now it's it's a right coded
conspiracy theory, but it used to be a left coded
conspiracy theory.

Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
And so there are people who are.

Speaker 2 (01:13:22):
A little bit older than me Bush who remember when
it was just a conspiracy theory to try to discredit
Bush and blame Bush because they hated how much power
the uniting of the country around nine to eleven gave
to Bush, and so they're like, oh, that was convenient

(01:13:43):
and tried to make it into a conspiracy theory. Oh
another egg, who fire egg? Oh it was fiery because
I held on it. Oh, okay, gotcha I think.

Speaker 1 (01:13:56):
I don't know if anything are going to create a
com I'm just burning random items at this point. Oh hey,
poops gems fun. That was satisfying.

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
Yes, So I think that sometimes, like if I find
some an older voice, because I think that so much
of conspiracy theories is being driven by the Internet and
going like, Okay, what were people saying about this theory
a lot closer to when the thing happened? What were
the conclusions being come to?

Speaker 1 (01:14:28):
Then? Yeah? What else? Did I want to talk about? Vaccines?
I've continued to really struggle.

Speaker 2 (01:14:37):
I know, I was mad doing that series for you guys,
And where I really started to really struggle with vaccines
is I would I I would look into a vaccine,
I would look into the ingredients in it, and I
would try to be like, Okay, do I need to
talk about every single ingredient and every single objection every
single person who has ever had an objection to any
of these ingredients has to these ingredients? Or do I

(01:15:00):
select out what I think is compelling and then when
I look at all of the possible side effects that
have been logged in THEIRS where correlation hasn't been proved,
and the with just the list, at least in just
the inserts that the frequency of that reaction isn't listed.

(01:15:27):
I love the singers and all the rose petals that
come down. It's probably the best item, my favorite item.
Then it's like, am I Am I lying to you?
Am I misrepresenting to you? If I know about more
side effects than I choose to report on a given thing,

(01:15:49):
But then I could just I would just spend a
whole episode.

Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
Listing out.

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
All of these scary sounding possible side effects that aren't
proven to have necessarily come from that shot. Then it's
like correlation doesn't equal causation. This was reported after this shot.
Did it happen because of this shot? Did it happen
because they had five shots that day? Did it happen
because this is a stage of life where that kid
was going to start developing this anyway? Did it happen

(01:16:18):
because they were already sick when they got Like there's
any number of reasons, and yeah, it's like, I want
to tell you the truth. So am I not telling
you the truth? If I don't list out everything and
explain to you every single possible bad thing that could
possibly happen in every single possible detrimental effect that every
single thing can have on you when it's unproven, or

(01:16:39):
if when I start to list out everything, do I
start to fear monger and begin to tell you something
that's untrue or communicate to you something that's untrue by
giving way too much weight to all those things. And
I begin to really really struggle to the point where
I found it was impossib to go on because I'm like,

(01:17:02):
I don't know, I don't know how many things to
tell you about and what to leave out because I
I want, like, I don't want to not tell you
that seizures is a potential like side effect for this shot,

(01:17:23):
right and then but it's like one in a million,
like I don't I don't know, And and the trouble.

Speaker 1 (01:17:31):
With vaccines is like is is.

Speaker 2 (01:17:35):
None of them have been tested by themselves, that none
of them have been properly tested by themselves against against
a placebo. And I'm sorry, no, the whole schedule has
not been tested against up a placebo. And for the
most part, the single shots have been tested against older

(01:17:56):
versions of the shots instead of against the pacibo.

Speaker 1 (01:17:59):
And so there's just so much.

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
Issue with like we don't have the data and I
think I think the most honest thing you can do
is say we are trying to do a risk benefit
analysis when we don't have good data on the risk. Yes,
we have decent data on the benefit of We we

(01:18:21):
have pretty good, pretty good data on how prevalent a
certain a certain disease is.

Speaker 1 (01:18:30):
And what the what the death rate of it is,
what the like consequences of getting the disease are. What
we don't have.

Speaker 2 (01:18:41):
One of the things that we don't have is good data,
good proof on if we stopped vaccinating against this, what
would happen? Would it be consequences to society? And we
don't have good data on like, if we keep vaccinating
against this, what will happen? What we're virus might come

(01:19:01):
in and take its place. That was a lot of explosion, and.

Speaker 1 (01:19:05):
I still didn't get any combat that I needed trying
to get L kitty. But's sorry, go on, L O
L kitty. Yeah, I have Okay, so I have the kitty.
She's right here. This is I'm assuming this is the kitty, kitty,
kitty poo poop plushy. Okay, but what is the O L?

Speaker 2 (01:19:20):
Can we go back to the very first page of things.

Speaker 5 (01:19:24):
You have.

Speaker 1 (01:19:27):
Letter blocks. Maybe they could do it. Maybe what is
the first What is the little smiley face thing? I've done?

Speaker 2 (01:19:34):
A little inferno Okay, may lose value when burned. Okay,
I imagine it's something that laughs when it burns. Sure,
but I think I, oh, this guy laugh what he burns?

Speaker 1 (01:19:50):
I forget. Let's cry, Oh what is this smiling guy?

Speaker 2 (01:19:57):
Because sometimes yeah, sometimes it's in the in the title,
in the name toy Leprakahn, he's luckier than he looks.

Speaker 1 (01:20:04):
I don't know. I try pretty long side, but I
can always try to burn him again.

Speaker 5 (01:20:07):
What is the.

Speaker 2 (01:20:10):
Maybe look at the titles of them and see if
any of them have laughing in the title.

Speaker 1 (01:20:14):
So, yeah, I burned. See this guy, this guy, this sky,
this guy, this guy. I think this guy, this guy,
this guy with this portion. I think this guy too.
So I think I've done like all of the things that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:28):
Mini Moon Valkyrie doll breaks hearts in Champagne.

Speaker 1 (01:20:31):
Oh, that's the one that sings burner in uh fragile bulbs.
I don't know. It could also include something from here.
I doubt it. But let's try the Pirate and the
and HM and we'll boll throw everyone in he smells bad. Yeah,

(01:20:59):
he is laughing. He is laughing. But I thought I
burned him with it. He just his flunk is everywhere. Okay,
just spurn them all, so majestic, no combo, sadness to day.
So eventually I'm just gonna move on and focus on

(01:21:19):
other things now and maybe it'll I mean, maybe it's
this lots of love. Oh shoot, oh well, I didn't
mean to burn it. I meant to say it. It's
my dad. That's okay. I hope I don't need it
later for something. You said it for a pretty long
time did and it was in the way, it was
taking more of my spots. Way yeah, so lll kitty. Yeah,

(01:21:40):
that's just gonna bother me. Freaked out food wooden block combo.
I can do the wooden block combo, I think. Okay,
it's so yeah, Okay, Where what topic was I on?
We had been talking about saxonhaaccines.

Speaker 2 (01:21:54):
So I really struggle with a topic like vaccines when
it comes to health because there's this like lack of information,
and then any voice that speaks into it is kind
of taking advantage of the lack of information.

Speaker 1 (01:22:10):
Yes, and.

Speaker 2 (01:22:12):
The fear mongering of like, I think that there's so
much where somebody tells you this is the risk of
this thing, but they don't they don't tell you or
they don't know how to tell you, this is the
risk of not this thing. This is the they'll say
this is risky, but they don't know how to give
you like good math that makes sense to you about
what the risk of it is. I think it's interesting that, like,

(01:22:34):
there are so many people who are unwilling to do
any vaccines for their kids, and I have no I'm
not criticizing that. I think that that's a perfectly reasonable
conclusion with the data that we have, but they but
they still get in cars. Yeah, And it's so that

(01:22:54):
there's a there's, like I think, a brokenness to our
how we're doing risk as assessments. And I think you
can you can make an argument that, like we need cars,
we can't really live with those cars. And so even
though the risk of cars is very high, like it's
you could make an argument that, like the risk of

(01:23:15):
driving your kids around in a car.

Speaker 5 (01:23:16):
Is just like.

Speaker 2 (01:23:19):
Unacceptably high. Yeah, but how would you live to just
live in fear like that? But yeah, I don't think
it's fair to accuse people who don't want to put
vaccines into their kids' bodies of living in fear when
they're probably it's more something along the lines of these

(01:23:42):
diseases are not particularly dangerous.

Speaker 1 (01:23:44):
Yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (01:23:47):
We don't know the risk of the vaccines. So even
if the risk of the vaccines is zero, I'm okay
with the risk of the diseases. Yeah, but there's a
lot of people who are living I think, in this
false place of denying the risks of the diseases.

Speaker 1 (01:24:04):
Denying, yeah, either to individual kids or to society as
a whole.

Speaker 2 (01:24:12):
And I do find the risk to individual kids to
be a much higher issue than society as a whole.
I don't find the argument of like, if you don't vaccinate,
then our herd immunity is going to go away, like,
let's see that bear out, let's actually see some data
on right. But I do think I've heard people make

(01:24:32):
the argument that, like I was reading Malcolm Gladwell, but
can I really like Malcolm Gladwell. I don't always agree
with him about his conclusions, but I really like the
way that he thinks, and I like the way that
he does his research. And one of the things he
was talking about was like, why parents, what the mindset
is with parents who are getting into these anti vaxxer

(01:24:55):
communities and vaccinating their kids less and less as they
get involved in these anti vecxser communit He was specifically
talking in his latest book about Waldorf schools where if
you look in any given area, look at all the
schools in the area, and almost everything is about at
one hundred percent or ninety to one hundred percent vaccination,

(01:25:16):
and then you look at the Waldorf school and it's
like super low vaccination and it's and he was like,
what happened first, Did they go to the school because
they were anti vaxxers or did they become anti vaxers
they went to the school, And the answer was they
became anti vaxxers because they.

Speaker 1 (01:25:28):
Went to the school.

Speaker 2 (01:25:29):
And so he's talking about he wasn't just talking about vaccines.
He was talking about this broader thing of like how
a community in a place and the overstory of a
place really impacts how people behave in the place. And
so he was talking about how you get into these
Waldorf schools and then and the data shows that the
parents who vaccinated their older kids more and the longer

(01:25:50):
they're in the community, the less they.

Speaker 1 (01:25:52):
Vaccinated each kid.

Speaker 2 (01:25:54):
And there's not necessarily anything wrong with that if it
just means that before they're involved in the community, the
more that they hear the data that they need to
hear to make these decisions. Fine, whatever, It was just
really interesting to hear of, Like, I want to consider
how much I'm being influenced by my community, because I
think that the data that Malcolm Gladwell is showing us, like,
you are very influenceable by your community, much more so

(01:26:15):
than you recognize that you are. Your community will very
much define a lot about you if you're not careful.

Speaker 1 (01:26:26):
My fires, yes, but yeah, well we see that in
like the algorithms of like so back when I was
on TikTok, you know, you you interact with certain videos
of whatever type thing that you enjoy, and then the
algorithm decides, Okay, well, I guess that you like this
sort of thing, so I'm going to give you more
of these things and things that people who like this
sort of thing also like, and that can create this

(01:26:47):
echo chamber that really really alters the way that you
view the world because what you're presented is potentially limited
information even out where it lies or just like a spin,
and it's only when you step out side that that
you realize, wait, some of this isn't true. Like I
remember during COVID there were certain things that just like
Republicans are being painted a certain way, and then you

(01:27:07):
go outside and you're like, no, actually, this is kind
of ridiculous, Like these are the things they're not telling you, and.

Speaker 2 (01:27:12):
You have to recognize that that's happening on your side too.

Speaker 1 (01:27:14):
That's happening. It's happening on both sides.

Speaker 2 (01:27:16):
Yeah, just because your side is like they're lying to
you and I'm going to tell you the truth, doesn't
mean they're actually telling you the truth. Sometimes yeah, sometimes
they are explicitly, like intentionally lying to you, and sometimes
they've just gotten caught up in the sauce of their
own thing, especially when someone's entire account is about I'm
going to pick on just the inserts, not because I

(01:27:36):
don't respect them and like them, but as a thought experiment,
kind of just the inserts. Their whole account is about
informing you about vaccines, child and all childhood.

Speaker 1 (01:27:50):
Childhood health stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:27:52):
And in order to keep making content, they have to
keep going, Okay, I'm gonna here's another one I'm going
to start informing you about. Here's another one I'm going
to start inform you by. And you can imagine you
could start getting some incentives from the algorithm or audience
capture or whatever you want to call it of Like,
any time I was thinking about this, one of the

(01:28:16):
things people are most likely to send to each other
or have a high likelihood of sending to somebody is oh,
I had never before ever heard that Tayland all or
something of that very common use nature could be dangerous
for you. And that's the kind of thing where you're like,
if you love somebody and you believe that real, you're like, oh,

(01:28:36):
I have to send this to all my mom friends.

Speaker 1 (01:28:40):
Thailand all is bad. You heard it here first.

Speaker 2 (01:28:42):
And so I think that there can be a really
high level of reward on a post like that. And
that doesn't mean it's not true. It doesn't justinew its
isn't right. But I think that anytime you start saying, hey,
this thing is bad for you, Hey, this thing is
bad for you, then you can start to I don't
think we in our generation, I don't think we realize

(01:29:05):
how much the algorithm is defining the conversation and pushing
to more extreme positions, and that they're such a high
incentive to continuing the brand that you've built. If the
brand that you've built is warning you about bad things
you should avoid in medicine and food, you're going to

(01:29:27):
just keep going and keep going and keep going. And
so I think in some ways, these rabbit holes where
people keep digging and digging and digging with conspiracy theories
or whatever it is, they're just going to keep escalating
themselves in an attempt to get more and more and
more viral or to hold on to their momentum or
their relevance, right right. So there's stuff like that where
I'm like, I'm I'm the longer I'm in the conspiracy space,

(01:29:48):
the more I'm seeing the incentive structures that I'm like, Okay,
there's a level to which I trusted some of these people.
I thought, Oh, they have no reason to lie and
they're taking hits for this or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:30:00):
Or they're telling you they're taking hits. Yeah, and maybe
they did initially right. Sometimes it's like, yeah, you took
a hit five years ago for this position, but now
all of these new positions that you've adopted in the
last five years, you are getting more and more and
more reward for them or yeah, or you taking a
hit from your conscience? Was that going right? Right? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:30:26):
So like Nick Wins can argue like that he's taken
a lot, some heavy hits for the positions he's taken,
but then he carved out a space for himself and
got famous off of his censorship narrative, got famous off
of his victim narrative, And so now it's like, I

(01:30:49):
don't I don't think that any of this. Yeah, anyway,
And just because you took a hit for something doesn't
mean it was right. And just because you did something
really good for a cause at one point doesn't mean
I think people find it, especially on the right, very
difficult to let go of somebody who they saw as
a hero. Yeah, but someone like Tucker who was just

(01:31:12):
so obviously going in such terrible directions, but he did
so much good for so long and was considered such
a brave voice for so long, being one of the
only people, if not the only person on TV who
was willing to say certain things, And how do you
let go of that?

Speaker 1 (01:31:29):
And people forget that it takes a lot of bravery
to say just genuinely awful things. It doesn't mean that
you are actually a good person for braving something right.
It can yeah, but yeah, yeah. So I've been struggling
with with vaccines of like how do I even talk
about them to you?

Speaker 2 (01:31:47):
And in some ways maybe my conclusion is like, you
have to make these decisions for yourself, and I can
like point you in some directions, talk about some risk,
talk about some yeah, but as far as like and
I wasn't trying to tell any but what to do,
what to think.

Speaker 1 (01:32:02):
But at the same time, it was.

Speaker 2 (01:32:04):
Like, I'm not even confident about what I'm putting in
my own kids bodies. How could I begin to like
try to put myself in a position of trying to
inform inform you. But at the same time, I'm like,
I could also say, no one is being honest, and
at least I'm trying to be, And so maybe I

(01:32:25):
should And I probably still need to come out with
another episode about it and just try to like present
things as clearly as I can.

Speaker 1 (01:32:33):
But it's exhausting. At some point, it's exhausting to try
to find the truth. And I have in the last
few years, I've really struggled with like I maybe it's
true that whether modification is happening. We were talking about
you and me were talking about this at the park
this morning. Yea, do I think that, Do I know
the technology exists? Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:32:52):
Do I think that scientists are probably messing with things
that they don't understand and making accidentally do things that
are probably harmful?

Speaker 1 (01:33:02):
Yeah? Probably? Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:33:05):
But do I think it's helpful to every time that
there's a big awful storm try to blame it on
whether modification. Yeah, No, I don't think it's helpful.

Speaker 1 (01:33:20):
I don't think.

Speaker 2 (01:33:21):
And there comes a point where it's like are you
looking for are you actually looking for the truth or
are you trying to be the one that knows the
secret thing, the one who gets out ahead of something
and gets the rush of being the one to notice
it and the clout or the pride of like I.

Speaker 1 (01:33:42):
Told you, guys, I told you I was right. I
saw this first. I was the first one to not
be deceived, right, right? Does it actually help?

Speaker 2 (01:33:52):
And there are times I think where I just I
got to the point where I've got just kind of sick,
feeling sick about conspiracy theories, feeling sick about being identified
with that yeah, and feeling sick about just getting too
far into it where I'm like, I think that my
maybe six months ago, a year ago, I felt like

(01:34:12):
my connection to the truth was ten getting tenuous, where
I didn't feel healthy, Yeah, in my connection to the truth.
I didn't feel healthy in the way that I was
approaching the Bible and my Bible reading because I kept
trying to like find the secret hidden thing.

Speaker 1 (01:34:28):
And like the truth. I keep saying this, the truth
is really strong.

Speaker 2 (01:34:31):
It will it will actually, like you don't have to
like do all this work to go looking for it,
Like it will come out and it might take long,
Like there are definitely going to be times where you
might have to if you're not the person like on
the cutting edge of trying to find the secret theory
and blah blah blah blah blah. Maybe you're not the
first person to know it. Maybe you you hear it

(01:34:54):
along with everyone else. When the investigation is complete and
there are a lot of people right now who are
trying to say, what if this Charlie Kirk shooter was
part of this like terror cell of Tranny's. Oh, And
I think that that's a perfectly reasonable thing to ask
in a perfectly reasonable thing to investigate. But I think

(01:35:15):
that you start to get into some trouble when you
are desperate to be the first person to say it,
or when you're desperate to like push the narrative before. Like,
there's an extent to which people don't realize how long
investigations should naturally take anyway, And so there are people
who are on both sides pushing certain things where.

Speaker 1 (01:35:37):
It's like, can you just let the investigation happen?

Speaker 2 (01:35:40):
And helping the investigation and pushing certain narratives are two
different things. And I think this is where and maybe
we'll close with this kind of thought around, because yeah,
I do want to do an episode that's like just
talking about some of the Charlie Kirk stuff debunking. I
know Sator had specifically reached out and asked me to
like talk about some of the specific crazy stuff and
debunk it and things like that, but it's not going

(01:36:03):
to be right.

Speaker 1 (01:36:03):
Now because I don't have the heart to do it yet.
But yeah, there, I felt like.

Speaker 2 (01:36:08):
This time with this thing, I saw clearly the difference
between when people were actually looking for the truth, actually investigating,
actually asking questions like Okay, what does this mean, what
does it mean? What's on these bullets? Who could have
done this? Why is the first person that they like?

Speaker 1 (01:36:24):
What is going on?

Speaker 2 (01:36:25):
Here are their terror cells? Like there's there's really correct
questions to be asking, good questions to be asking. When
when the that energy of investigating, that energy of asking
questions is contributing to the investigation, that's great, that's that's
good as long as there's not this desperation about it.

(01:36:46):
I understand why there would be a desperation about it,
but like, I think you can just contribute to investigation
and that as opposed to this spirit of conspiracy where
something bad happens and it's like the person can't stand
the idea that the answer could be straightforward.

Speaker 1 (01:37:08):
Sometimes bad things just happen.

Speaker 2 (01:37:10):
Yeah, like they they need like never let a tragedy
go to waste in your trying to convince people that
you have the nosis, that you have the smart so
you're the one who can see through things, that you're
the one who could figure out the Masad plots.

Speaker 1 (01:37:22):
You're the one bub blah blah blah.

Speaker 2 (01:37:24):
Who can who can And it becomes this clout chasing thing,
it becomes this he's not even buried and you are
doing all of these things to push your narratives, whether
it's a it's a narrative predetermined or just a like
not having the respect for the family and the law
enforcement of like just give them a damn second to

(01:37:45):
investigate before you start casting us versions and saying why
haven't they done this, Why haven't they looked at this,
Why don't we have this footagelah bla bla blah blah.

Speaker 1 (01:37:54):
It's like, just come out about you.

Speaker 2 (01:37:56):
Yeah, yeah, because people are trying to build their careers
off of this and that that's becomes really disgusting. And
so I've seen, I think I've seen more and more
and seeing more and more the line of like where
the line is between when a conspiracy theory, when conspiracy
theorizing is actually disrespectful and it does have an ugly

(01:38:19):
spirit about it and it is crazy and unhinged and
kind of evil. And I can see more and more
like why people hate conspiracy theorists.

Speaker 1 (01:38:27):
Yeah, well, people just become like they stop caring about
humans and write any of the feelings involved.

Speaker 2 (01:38:32):
Especially when you when you're like eing Carrol and that's
your whole brand and the whole like your whole career
and your whole algorithm depends upon you constantly, constantly upping
the ante, constantly coming up with a bigger and better
conspiracy theory, or constantly adding more fuel to the fire

(01:38:54):
of your big, overarching the Jews did all of it theory.
It really is such a mental illness to hate the Jews,
and that you see it played out when people are
like the sort of like every tragedy has to be
about how awful the Jews are. This is like you
can't you can't hold the left accountable for something that
they obviously did because you were so obsessed with blaming

(01:39:15):
somebody who obviously didn't do it.

Speaker 1 (01:39:17):
Yeah, it's like saying that the Jews did nine to
eleven or something when it's clearly like.

Speaker 2 (01:39:23):
Right, when I play with my little friend, I have
so much fun. I stare into the fire for hours
and days. Where does all the time go? It floats up,
the chimney, up, up, the chimney up, up, up, like
everything else. Very thoughtful, Yes, very thoughtful, friend. I think

(01:39:47):
that that's where we should end it. But we can
do this sort of thing again.

Speaker 1 (01:39:52):
Yes, and see the rest of the game, and I
might play on my own in a different because I
have three different saved slots to try to figure out
loll kitty Combo. So if you all come in with
the comments with suggestions, I'll also take them. Ll Kitty
Combo was stubbing me and freaked out food Combo was
stumping me and didn't spend a lot on this. I
feel like I could figure it out, but it might
stump me. But that's where we're at. And just for

(01:40:15):
a recap, we are on the fifth out of I'm
assuming no more shop after this, or probably at the
halfway point. Okay, let's see there's well there's a fair
amount of combos left though, so we shall see. That
might be the half night of the point. So yeah,
very cool. I hope my rambling was helpful in some way.

Speaker 2 (01:40:37):
I think it was way but that's yeah, that's kind
of where I'm at with just the general tenor of
conspiracy theories in general, like how do we apprehend truth?

Speaker 1 (01:40:44):
How do we weigh things?

Speaker 2 (01:40:46):
And there's I think there's a lot of other categories
where I'm thinking these things to want, but those are
the ones that have been more forefront of mind of
Like here are the examples of what of the overarching
things that I've been struggling with. Yeah, all right, so well,
thank you all for tuning in, and good.

Speaker 1 (01:41:06):
Night, good night, thank you for coming. And I guess
I should send us out with the

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