Luke Part 10: Resurrection

Tonight we finally finish Luke! We pick up with Jesus before Pilate in chapter 23 and see his darkest, lowest moments right before his astounding victory in chapter 24 (spoilers).

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Speaker 1 (02:24):
Them at any rate. Huge apologies for last week where
we put out the whole Luke wrap up video and
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Speaker 1 (03:00):
So yes, we are wrapping up Luke for the second
time now hopefully maybe we'll do it better. Maybe will
do it better then we did the first time. Luke
twenty three and twenty four. Well, you just muted yourself.
But I was I was going to say, you would
you like to pray us in sure?

Speaker 2 (03:19):
I mean the little guy might make a little bit
of noise, okay, But yeah, dear Lord, thank you so
much for what you've done with the show and with
this this Bible study, we're at the end of it,
and for whatever reason, we're doing it again for a
second time. So may whatever maybe needs to get in
this time get in this time. And what doesn't need

(03:41):
to be in it not be in it. Please off
us all to learn and grow closer to you. Amen.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
Amen, Yes, So we'll be we what we'll do is
Luke twenty three, which is the crucifixion and burial. And
then Psalm twenty two, which is a psalm I ran
across like three or four different times randomly in the
past couple weeks, and it is a messianic prophecy. Psalm

(04:10):
David is feeling a lot of things, and a lot
of them are direct prophecies of Jesus' experience during the crucifixion.
So you will, you'll see that, and I'll share that
with you. And then Luke twenty four is the resurrection
and all of the victory that comes with that, and
that'll be the night. All right, Well, let's get into it.

(04:33):
Luke twenty three. Then the whole company of them arose
and brought him before Pilot and they begin to accuse him, saying,
we found this man misleading our nation and forbidding us
to give tribute to Caesar and saying that he himself
is king, is Christ a king? So this is a
direct lie, obviously, because just a couple chapters prior, they

(04:54):
were trying to trap him into saying that we shouldn't
pay taxes to Caesar, and he said, right to Caesar,
what is Caesar's into God? What is God's? So they're
just straight lying at this point. They're so desperate to
see him murdered. And Pilot asked him, are you the
king of the Jews? And he answered him, you have
said so. Then Pilot said to the chief priest and

(05:16):
the crowds, I find no guilt in this man. But
they were urgent, saying he stirs up the people, teaching
throughout all Judea, from Galley even to this place. When
Pilot heard this, he asked whether the man was a Gallain,
and when he learned that he belonged to Herod's jurisdiction,
he sent him over to Herod, who was himself in
Jerusalem at that time. When Herod saw Jesus, he was

(05:37):
very glad, for he had long desired to see him
because he had heard about him. And was hoping to
see some sign done by him, so he questioned him
at some length, but he made no answer. The chief
priest and the scribes stood by vehemently accusing him, and
Herod with his soldiers, treated him with contempt and mocked him.
Then arraying him in splendid clothing, he sent him back

(05:59):
to Pilot, and Herod and Pilot became friends with each
other that very day, for before this they had been
at enmity with each other.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
Jesus just out here bringing everybody together.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
I think this is one of the funniest lines in
the Bible. Yeah. Pilot then called together the chief priests
and the rulers and the people, and said to them,
you brought me this man as one who is misleading
the people. And after examining him before you, behold, I
did not find this man guilty of any of your
charges against him. Neither did Herod before he sent him
back to us. Look, nothing deserving death has been done

(06:32):
by him. I will therefore punish and release him. But
they all cried out together away with this man and
released to us. Barabus, a man who had been thrown
into prison for an insurrection started in the city and
for murder. A Pilot addressed them once more, desiring to
release Jesus, but they kept shouting, crucify him, crucify him.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
A third time, he said to them, why what evil
has he done? I have found in him no guilt
deserving death. I will therefore punish and release him. But
they were urgent, demanding with loud cries that he should
be crucified, and their voices prevailed, so Pilot decided that
their demand should be granted. He released the man who
had been thrown into prison for insurrection and murder, for
whom they asked, but he delivered Jesus over to their will.

(07:12):
A couple things about this have always stood out or
been kind of my questions about this passage, and this
is the No Wrong Questions Bible study. One is why
why does Jesus not say anything?

Speaker 2 (07:29):
Like?

Speaker 1 (07:29):
They keep asking him questions and for the most part,
he does not give any defense of himself, which in
some ways is frustrating because you like want to root
for him. But then sometimes they ask a direct question
and are you king of the Jews? And he says,
you have said so, and it it's not It's almost

(07:57):
a slippery answer, and I want to be careful. Is
he not terminology for Jesus because he's not trying to
avoid the truth, but he does seem to be trying
to avoid saying something really explicitly like I am the
Messiah or something, because he doesn't he never does that.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
We'll see if he's able to cooperate in being quiet.
So some of what we've seen already as we've gone
through Luke and will encounter again before the end is
the Pharisees and Sadducees. They have this idea of what

(08:34):
and who Jesus is supposed to be, and the reason
that they despise him is because he's not this this Jesus,
this this God who's come to earth to help them
conquer and overthrow the Roman government in a military sense,
and very explicitly God or Jesus says that he's speaking

(08:56):
in parables and it is to keep the people have knowledge,
but like whose hearts aren't right with God, to keep
them blind. And perhaps that an answer or the answer
to your question on why why Jesus isn't saying I
am the Messiah that only you say that I am

(09:17):
is perhaps because if he did come out and just
very openly blatantly say it, then that would maybe be
more of like revealing and not talking imparable than he's
supposed to be. I don't know how I can can
hear it of a thought that was.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
But yeah, he wanted people to recognize him, and he
didn't want people to just follow him. It's like he
does really want people to choose him. He doesn't want
to just say I'm the Messiah so that the like
the weak It's almost like he wants the weak minded
to decide for themselves and not be the type of like,

(09:56):
you know, like the type of person who would be like, oh,
he said he's the Messiah, Okay, he like really be
them Jesus or I mean, one reason why he might
not have given defense is that he's he's supposed.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
To die, like he knows, but if he says anything,
maybe it'll change what's supposed to happen.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
Right, But the fair season's saddest. I think they hated
Jesus the most because they realized that. I think they
realized from the beginning that he wasn't that guy who
was gonna overthrow a roam, and the crowds didn't seem
to realize that.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
The crowds.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
The crowds really loved him for a really long time.
And that's what this comes to my second question of
just a couple of days prior the fair season that
teaches a law who really wanted to get Jesus trap him.
They couldn't get him until under the cover of darkness
when Judas betrayed his location because they were afraid of
the crowds. But the crowds basically immediately turned on Jesus

(11:00):
and called for his crucifixion once they actually had him
in custody, and it was like they.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
Like they they heard the miracles, and they saw somewhat
the things that he did, and then they saw him
and they're like, well, this guy's not.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
A conqueror, right like he It's like the minute his
weakness showed weakness. I put in air quotes because obviously
he was doing his plan, but from their perspective, he
was captured and he didn't do didn't use his power
to get free, so he must not be as strong

(11:37):
as we think that he is. And and then like
that fine line between like following somebody worshiping some icon
and hating them for not being what exactly you wanted
them to be I think is really common with crowds anyway,
So yeah, that makes sense, that makes sense. Okay, we
can continue eighteen but they uh m, nope, verse twenty six. Yes,

(12:09):
verse twenty six. And as they led him away, they
seized one Simon of Cyrene who was coming in from
the country, and laid on him the cross to carry
it behind Jesus. If you read the accounts and some
of the other gospels, because there's four gospels, four different
accounts that include different details, different authors felt that different
things were important to share and emphasized different things. But

(12:29):
obviously all the details are true. It's just a matter
of perspective. But the idea is that they had beaten
him so brutally and scourged him, like whipped him with
the cat and ie tails, which has like things in
it that are it's a really bad whipping, that he
couldn't carry the cross the way that they would normally

(12:50):
have because normally the crucifixion itself is this torturous death.
They don't usually beat people before it. But they had
already beat him before. Pilot was like, fine, you can
also crucify him, so he couldn't carry it. That was
the idea behind that verse twenty seven. And there followed
him a great multitude of the people and of women
who were mourning and lamenting for him. But turning to them,

(13:11):
Jesus said, daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for me,
but weep for yourselves and for your children. For behold,
the days are coming when they will say, blessed are
the baron, and the wounds that never bore, and the
breast that never nurse nursed. Then they will begin to
say to the mountains, fallen us, into the hills, cover us.
For if they do these things when the wood is green,
what will happen when it is dry? So he's prophesying

(13:34):
the last days and kind of talking about like, right
now we're not to the last days. The wood is,
the wood is green, and humanity is already this evil,
So how much worse will it be at the end?

Speaker 2 (13:45):
Yeah, And I remember last week you were saying something
about this being a dual prophecy. A lot of prophecies
are well, quite a few prophecies are talking about two
things at the same time. I was talking about what
the sacking or the destroying of the temple mount in
It's like seventy eighty and also at the same time

(14:08):
talk very explicitly talking about Revelation.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
Yeah, and there are definitely a lot of Christians who
think that those are the same event, like the Revelation
was fulfilled in seventy eighty, but Revelation, the best scholarship
we have right now says that Revelation wasn't written until
after the Temple had already been destroyed, so talking about
something beyond, But yes, it does seem like.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
I mean, also very explicitly it says that there's going
to be a physical kingdom of God and Jesus, right,
and that's not here yet. We have the spiritual like
Jesus is here because we have communion with Him and

(14:55):
the Holy Spirit, but not in like the very physical
sense like we can go see Jesus right right.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
Yeah, there's a lot of prophecy that has not been
fulfilled yet. And it it's of course, like kind of
a whole other conversation. I don't want to get too
in the weeds, but there there are times when I'm
I get frustrated with other Christians where I'm like, how
can you say this has been fulfilled already? Like obviously not,

(15:23):
And it's kind of funny, like the differences in perspective
of there can be two people who love the scriptures
and love the Lord, and they look at the same
scriptures and they come to different conclusions, and it'll just
like either. At that point, I have to kind of
think it's just up to God to reveal what he's
gonna reveal. It's up to him to like show me

(15:45):
that I'm wrong, or show somebody else that they're wrong,
or just in the end, go this is how it was, guys,
But okay, verse thirty two. Two others who were criminals
were led away to be put to death with him.
And when they came to the place that is the skull.
There they crucified him, and the criminals one on his
right and one on his left, and Jesus said, Father,

(16:06):
forgive them, for they know not what they do. And
they cast lots to divide his garments, and the people
stood by watching, But the rulers scoffed at him, saying
he saved others, let him save himself if he is
the Christ of God, his chosen one. The soldiers also
mocked him, coming up and offering him sour wine and saying,
if you are the king of the Jews, save yourself.

(16:28):
There was also an inscription over him, this is the
King of the Jews. So they're still trying to get
him to be.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
To be the Messiah that their heart desires, not who
he actually is.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
He continually throughout his ministry called out people who are
only there to watch miracles and only wanted to watch
something powerful and amazing happen, and weren't there to actually
meet God the way that he wanted to have a
relationship with them. But this guy did. Verse thirty nine,
One of the cris who were hanged railed at him, saying,

(17:03):
are you not the Christ? Save yourself and us? But
the other rebuked him, saying, do you do you not
fear God? Since you were under the same sentence of condemnation?
And we indeed justly, for we are receiving the due
reward of our deeds. But this man has done nothing wrong.
And he said, Jesus, remember me when you come into
your kingdom. And he said to him, truly, I say
to you today you will be with me in Paradise.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
I mean, that's just that's beautiful passage there.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
It's it's the most like distilled salvation story, and it
makes it so clear that all that is necessary for
salvation is to to confess your sin, to come to
an awareness of your sin and your need for a salvation,
and ask Jesus and and you're going to heaven. That's it.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
Well, And I could certainly be wrong. They could the
Catholics could have other answers, or you know, some guy
said wrote something down who was important, maybe a thousand
years ago. But I feel like this really goes against
the idea of purgatory today, yes, following Jesus's death, because

(18:15):
it says you will be in paradise with me today today.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
Yeah, No, I don't think that, Like, if anyone under
the Catholic conception of purgatory would have needed to go
through purgatory, it would be this guy who was only
getting said at the very last minute after committing crimes
like deserving of execution. And yet Jesus says today with
me in paradise. The concept of purgatory is completely not

(18:42):
biblical in it if you have to pay for your
own sin, Jesus's death was purposeless, it was meaningless. I
think that the doctrine of purgatory is really really evil,
really gross, and it it dishonors. It dishonors what Jesus

(19:03):
did here.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
Yeap, I don't want to be too.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
Harsh, but I do feel really strongly about that.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
Alrighty verse forty four.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
Uh, yeah, it was now about the sixth hour, and
there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth
hour while the sun's light failed, and the curtain of
the temple was torn too, and a different another passage
says it was torn from the top to the bottom,
which is this really symbolic thing where God's saying, Okay,

(19:37):
this is done. This is done now, Like the curtain
that separates the Holy Place from the rest of the
temple is down, Like God is with you now, like
you're not cut off anymore. The priest could only go
behind that curtain with the blood of a lamb once

(19:59):
a year. And now God has torn torn the curtain.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
God has gone out from the very the very center
of the tabernacle. He's out, He's gone. He's everywhere now,
I mean before. But yeah, his presence is.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
Not restricted to that one place. Now. Yeah, that's that's
not like, oh I'm going to live here and where
you're going to meet with me here, it's it's yeah,
Verse forty six. Then Jesus, calling out with a loud voice,
said Father, into your hands, I commit my spirit. And
having said this, he breathed his last. Now, when the
centurion saw what had taken place, he praised God, seeing
certainly this man was innocent. And all the crowds that

(20:39):
had assembled for the spectacle, when they saw what had
taken place, returned home beating their rests. And all his acquaintances,
and the women who had followed him from galley stood
at a distance watching these things. Now, there was a
man named Joseph from the Jewish town of Arimathea. He
was a member of the council, a good and righteous
man who had not consented to their decision in action,
and he was looking for the Kingdom of God. This

(21:02):
man went to Pilot and asked for the body of Jesus.
Then he took it down and wrapped it in a
linen shroud and laid him in a tomb cut in stone,
where no one had ever yet been laid. It was
the day of preparation, and the Sabbath was beginning. If
you understand Jewish custom, a new day begins at sundown,
and Sabbath you're not allowed to do any work. So

(21:23):
the day of preparation is the day before Sabbath, where
you do all the work so that you don't have
any work to do. On Sabbath fifty five, the woman
who had come with him from galley followed and saw
the tomb and how his body was laid. Then they
returned and prepared spices and ointments. On the Sabbath they
rested according to the commandment. But on the first day

(21:44):
of the week, at early dawn, they went to the Oh. Wait,
before we get into chapter twenty four, I told you
we were going.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
To do this, okay, So this question doesn't matter. It
like in the grand scheme of things, this question does
not matter. It's not a wrong question because you know
the name of this, these neural questions. But I wonder
when exactly Jesus's body disappeared, well, like within those three

(22:12):
like it.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
So it didn't disappear, he just he got up.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
Because later, Yeah, uh, is that is that it? Yeah?
Because that they show up, they search it, he's not there,
and then the angels talk to him, and then they
go and relay this to everybody else. We can look,

(22:41):
we can talk about this after so twenty two we can't.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
Yes, we can talk about it after some twenty two
and we can look at a couple of the other Gospels.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
Or it's not a question that matters at all. It's
just a thought that popped into my head.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
Yeah, no, yeah, we'll look at it. Okay, So twenty too.
So some of this is David having his own feelings,
and some of this kind of intermingled is Messianic prophecy. So,
my God, my God, why have you forsaken me? That
is a line that Jesus quoted on the Cross. Why

(23:17):
are you so far from saving me from the words
of my groaning? Oh? My God, I cry by day
but you do not answer, And by night but I
find no rest. Yet you are holy and throned on
the praises of Israel, and you are fathers trusted. They trusted,
and you delivered them to you. They cried and were rescued,
and you they trusted and were not put to shame.
But I am a worm and not a man, scorned
by mankind and despised by the people. All who see

(23:39):
me mock me, They make mouths at me, they wag
their heads. He trusted in the Lord, Let him, deliver him,
let him rescue him, for he delights in him. That's
very echoing a lot of what Jesus was going through. Yet,
you are he who took me from the womb. You
made me trust you at my mother's breasts. On you
was I cast from my birth and from my mother,

(24:00):
whom you have been. My God, Be not far from me,
for trouble is near, and there is none to help.
Many bulls encompass me strong bowls of bash and surround me.
They open wide their mouths at me like a ravening
and roaring lion. I am poured out like water, and
all my bones are out of joint. My heart is
like wax, It is melted within my breast. My strength
is dried up like a potshirt. And my tongue sticks

(24:21):
to my jaws. You lay me in the dust of death. This,
my tongue sticks to my jaws, is a I think
directly goes to where Jesus said he was thirsty, and
they gave him sorow wine. For dogs encompass me. A
company of evil doors and circles me. They have pierced
my hands and feet. That one's really explicit, especially considering

(24:44):
that that did not happen to David. He was just
speaking more metaphorically, But it was a prophecy. I can
count all my bones. They stare and gloat over me.
They divide my garments among them, and for my clothing
they cast lots another very explicit one. But you, o Lord,
do not be far off. Oh you might help. Come
quickly to my aid. Deliver my soul from the sword,

(25:05):
my precious life from the power of the dog. Save
me from the mouth of the lion. You have rescued
me from the horns of the wild oxen. I will
tell of your name to my brothers in the midst
of the congregation. I will praise you, you who fear
the Lord. Praise him, all you offspring of Jacob. Glorify
him and stand in awe of him, all you offspring
of Israel. For he has not despised or abhorred the
affliction of the afflicted, and he has not hidden his

(25:27):
face from him, but he has heard when he cried
to him. From you comes my praise and the great
congregation my vows I will perform before those who fear him.
The afflicted shall eat and be satisfied. Those who seek
him shall praise the Lord. May your hearts live forever.
All the ends of the earth shall remember and turn
to the Lord. And all the families of the nations
shall worship before you, For kingship belongs to the Lord,

(25:49):
and he rules over the nations. All this is really
interesting as far as prophecy goes as well, because in
David's time it was just israel Like you could convert
and you could basically become as an Israelite, but you
the Gospel hadn't gone out to the gentiles yet. But

(26:10):
because of Jesus it did. And this idea of all
the families of the nations shall worship before you is
a prophecy that's only made possible by the Cross.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
Yeah. I mean, granted, there were like there were people
who came to Judaism and found God. Yes, like all
of David's here, like a lot of David's heroes were
not Israelites. A lot of them were.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
Not, seems like it from their names. Yes, Yes, all
the prosperous of the earth eat in worship before him.
All the prospers of the earth eat and worship before
Him shall bow All who go down to the dust,
even the one who could not keep himself alive. Posterity

(26:53):
shall serve him. It shall be told of the Lord
to the coming generation. They shall come and proclaim his
righteousness to a people yet un born, that he has
done it.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
I wonder who who that go back? Oh, I wonder
who that is? Even the one who could not keep
himself alive? Is that is that?

Speaker 1 (27:16):
I thought it was maybe Jesus, but that.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
I mean Jesus worships God, right, Yeah, yeah, so maybe
I don't know. Probably that's what I was thinking, that
it was Jesus. But also is like that's odd. I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
Yeah, And I don't know if he's saying using the
one as as like a specific the one individual person,
or if he's using it as like that you know,
whoever can't keep himself a lot, you know. So yeah,
I'm not sure about that. That's a good question.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
Let's get back to my other question.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
Okay, now you've got me doing it. Luke twenty four.
But on the first day of the week, at early dawn,
they went to the tomb, taking the spices they had prepared,
and they found the stone rolled away from the tomb.
But when they went in, they did not find the
body of the Lord Jesus. While they were perplexed about this. Behold,
two men stood by them in dazzling apparel. And as
they were frightened and bowed their faces to the ground,

(28:19):
the men said to them, why do you seek the
living among the dead. He is not here, but has risen.
Remember how he told you while he was still in Galilee,
the son of Man. I just pictured the snark from
these angels like. Remember he told you while he was
still in Galilee, that the son of Man must be
delivered into the hands of sinful men and be crucified.
And on the third day rise, and they remembered his words,

(28:41):
and returning from the tomb, they told all these things
to the eleven and to all the rest. Now it
was Mary Magdalene and Joanna and Marry, the mother of James,
and the other women with them, who told these things
to the apostles. But these words seemed to them an
idle tale, and they did not believe them. But Peter
rose and ran to the tomb, stooping and looking in,
he saw the linen cloths by themselve. And he went home,
marveling at what had happened. Should I fin no no pause, pause,

(29:09):
there all right.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
Well, having read that, my assumption now is probably that
his body actually laid there and then he got up
on that third day and walked out.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
Yeah, we're gonna see that there's something interesting about his
new body that he can disappear and he can go
through walls. But I'm trying to think which, let's see
resor we can check a couple other of the Gospel's

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resurrection story resurrection passages.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
While Abby's doing all that, I just I want to
tell you all that with Gideon, like, we've been having
so much fun recently. He's been like engaging with us
and like smiling and actually interacting. It's been it's been
very funny. He's gone from like a just a very
somewhat content, sometimes upset potato to a potato that smiles
at us now. So that's that's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
Not a potato, Dad.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
Definitely a potato.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
Okay, Actually, I think I'll just show you John twenty,
because this is the one I was looking for. First one,
John twenty. First one. Now, on the first day of
the week, Mary Magdalene came to the tomb early while
it was still dark and saw that the stone had
been taken away. From the tomb. So she ran and
went to Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one
whom Jesus loved, and said to them, they have taken
the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not

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know where they have laid him. So Peter went out
with the other disciple and they were going. The other
disciple is John, So like, John's writing this, and he's
like the other disciple that Jesus loved. John's really funny.
Jesus liked me better than all of you.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
Which which one is it? Is it John that says
he beat his brother or no, that's not.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
Oh we're yeah, we're about to read it. Not his
brother Peter. So Peter went out with the other disciple
and they were going toward the tomb. Both of them
were running together, but the other disciple outran Peter, yes,
and reached the tone first. He's just like, yeah, I'm
gonna tell everyone, and like two thousand years later, they're
still gonna be talking about how I beat and stooping

(31:32):
to look, and he saw the linen Claus lying there,
but he did not go in. Then Simon Peter came
following him and went into the tomb. He saw the
linen class lying there in the face cloth which had
been on Jesus's head, not lying with the linen cloths,
but folded up in a place by itself. Then the
other disciple, who had reached the tomb first, also went in,
and he saw and believed, for as yet they did
not understand the scripture that he must rise from the dead.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
Obviously, he sat outside because he was so fascinated to
take a breather.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
I guess so. I think he was a little bit scared.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
Honestly, can it be both?

Speaker 1 (32:04):
I think it can be both. I have to catch
my breath. Uh. Then the disciples went back to their homes,
but Mary stood weeping outside the tomb. And as she wept,
she stooped to look into the tomb, and she saw
two angels in white sitting where the body of Jesus
had laid, one at the head and one at the feet.
They said to her, woman, why woman, why are you weeping?

(32:24):
She said to them, they have taken away my lord,
and I do not know where they have laid him.
Having said this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing,
but she did not know that it was Jesus. Jesus
said to her, woman, why are you weeping? Whom are
you seeking? Supposing him to be the gardener, she said
to him, sir, if you have carried him away, tell
me where you have laid him, and I will take

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him away.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
How offended, like all these guys like just an angel,
and you're calling him a like you're just a gardener,
just another guy, another bro, Jesus said her.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
Mary. She turned and said to him in Aramaic raboni,
which means teacher. Jesus said to her, do not cling
to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father.
But go to my brothers and say to them I
am ascending to my father and your father, to my
God and your God. Mary Magdalen went and announced to
the disciples I have seen the Lord, and that he

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had said these things to her.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
Well, okay, just make sure I haven't missed anything, because
I somewhat distracted with Gideon here Jesus was just was
in there with the other angel the whole time.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
No, he so she turned. Let's see, she was looking
into the tomb, and the angels were like, why are
you weeping? And then she turned around verse fourteen. Having
said that, she turned around and saw Jesus standing.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
Yeah, Okay, he appeared, so, yeah, he was. He was
in the his body disappeared, like I said, yes.

Speaker 1 (33:55):
Some combination of the angels helped them, and he got
up and he was still in the garden like or
he's appearing in disappearing well, some combination of all that.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
Yeah, So excuse gating here. He's being a little noisy
like to my understanding, and we will probably see it here.
Jesus says that he went and defeated Hell during those
those three a's. Does his body not also go with
him to to help? I don't know, Yeah, I don't.

(34:37):
I don't know. I don't know how those rules work.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
Yeah, I mean we'll we'll see in the upcoming passage
a little bit more of like how his his resurrected
body is working and going. But I don't know how.
Like we know that, you know, he said he defeated death.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
Again, this is not a question that matters at all.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
No, I mean, I think any question that you want
to ask is good to ask. Yeah, is he eating?

Speaker 2 (35:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (35:14):
Okay Verse thirteen of Luke twenty four. That very day
two of them were going to a village named Maus
about seven miles from Jerusalem, and they were talking with
each other about all these things that had happened. While
they were talking and discussing together, Jesus himself drew near
and went with them, but their eyes were kept from

(35:35):
recognizing him. You see this pop up a couple different times,
right that, where people who should recognize him aren't recognizing him.
And we've talked before on this show just about how
we see what we want to We see what we
want to see, we see what we expect to see,
and they all believe he's dead, so they're not recognizing him.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
Yeah, if you're not expecting to see something, you're not
going to see it. Like for example, today, uh Abby
pointed out that she said that that she thought our
son Esau was saying Abby, and after she said it, it
was like, oh, I definitely hear it sometimes now. But
it's also is also a problem issues just being saying mom.

(36:20):
I was expecting him to say mom, like you never
imagined him saying or even trying to say.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
Abby, right right, Yeah, it took me a while that
it was actually Liz who was like, he's he's saying Abby, Like, oh,
no problem, we know that, but he hears he hears
his dad say it, so he's just repeating it. Yeah, okay,
Verse fifteen. While they were talking and discussing together, Jesus
himself drew near and went with them, but their eyes

(36:47):
were kept from recognizing him. And he said to them,
what is this conversation that you were holding with each
other as you walk? And they stood still, looking sad.
Then one of them, in Cleopas, answered him, are you
the only visitor to Jerusalem who does not know the
things that have happened there in these days? And he
said to them, what things? Gess, it's just so funny, like, no,

(37:08):
what happened?

Speaker 2 (37:09):
They explain?

Speaker 1 (37:11):
And they said to him concerning Jesus of Nazath, the
man who was a prophet mighty indeed and word before
God and all the people, and how our chief priests
and rulers delivered him up to be condemned to death
and crucified him. But we had hoped that he was
the one to redeem Israel. Yes, and besides all this,
it is now the third day since these things happened. Moreover,
some women of our company amazed us. They were at
the tomb early in the morning, and when they did

(37:33):
not find his body. They came back saying that they
had even seen a vision of angels, who said that
he was alive. It's funny that they're like, they saw
a vision of angels, as opposed to no, they physically
saw angels in the room. They were sitting at the
head and the foot. But they've kind of edited everybody
has The women have come, and it's not just one woman.

(37:54):
It's between three and five. If you add up the
names from the different different accounts, they get something like five,
and they're all saying the same thing, and none of
the men believe them, and they're just kind of like, oh, yeah,
you saw a vision, okay, fine, okay, who said that
he was alive? Some of those who were with us

(38:15):
went to the tomb and found it just as the
woman had said. But him they did not see. And
he said to them, oh, foolish ones and slow of
heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken, Was
it not necessary that the Christ should suffer these things
and enter into his glory? And beginning with Moses and
all the prophets he interpreted to them, and all the
scriptures the things concerning himself.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
So they drew, So I don't even know how close
of followers they were to Jesus because they they only
called him a prophet at the beginning of this.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
Yeah. Yeah, they're clearly part of the group, but they're
not part of the twelve, so it's it's but they
should know that he's more than a prophet.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
He's more than a prophet.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
Shauld, Yeah, they should. But they are figuring it out now, I.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
Guess, yes, yes, they will be. They'll be astounded surprised.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
Verse twenty eight. So they drew near to the village
to which they were going. He acted as if he
were going further, but they urged him strongly, saying, stay
with us, for it is toward evening and the day
is now far spent. So he went in to stay
with them. When he was at table with them, he
took the bread and blessed and broke it and gave
it to them, and their eyes were opened, and they
recognized him, and he vanished from their sight. They said
to each other, did not our hearts burn within us?

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While he talked to us on the road, while he
opened to us the scriptures. And they rose that same
hour and returned to Jerusalem, and they found the eleven,
and those who were with them gathered together, saying, the
Lord has risen, indeed, and has appeared to Simon. Then
they told what had happened on the road and how
he was known to them in the Breaking of the
Bread Verse thirty six. As they were talking about these things,

(39:59):
Jesus stood among them and said to them, peace to you.
But they were startled and frightened, and thought they saw
a spirit.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
I would also be startled and frightened if somebody I
knew was dead just appeared in the room.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
And he said to them, why are you troubled? And
why do doubts arise in your heart? See my hands
and my feet that it is I myself touched me.
And see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones,
as you see that I have. And when he had
said this, he showed them his hands and his feet.
And while they still disbelieved for joy and were marveling,
he said to them, have you anything here to eat?
They gave him a piece of broiled fish, and he

(40:35):
took it and ate it before them. I think this
stuff is really important. We kind of gloss over it.
But he's he's got the physical marks of the crucifixion,
So there is something about his resurrected body that is
still the same or some element, some percentage the same, Yeah,

(40:56):
as the one he died in. It's not completely different
because he carries these marks, but he can disappear and
reappear it. Well, he can walk through walls, but he
can still eat. It's unclear if he needs to eat.
It kind of sounds like he might need to eat
or at least want to eat, or he maybe just

(41:18):
demonstrating that he's that he can. Ye.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
Well, I think that goes further, like more like along
the lines of if he was just a spirit, if
he was just a ghost, he wouldn't be able to
actually eat anything, right, But.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
I think we make this error of assuming that the
angels and the entire spiritual realm are just spirit, and
we call it the spiritual realm. But angels in the
Old Testament also ate and were physically present and had
swords and were able to kill. So whatever is true
about this other world, whether it's a different dimension or whatever,

(41:59):
it's it's not purely spirit in the way that we
think of that.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
Yeah, I so I imagine that he may still have the Marksmari.
He got flogged and all of those. All that he
presents is his hands and his feet out right in
this and his side and his side in this passage.
So I don't know.

Speaker 1 (42:23):
Yeah, his side might be in another passage. But yeah,
there doesn't seem to be any indication in any part
of scripture that he keeps every single mark, just these
these primary ones. But it does seem that he's making
a point of proving he is in a physical body. Yeah,
he seems to be going out of his way to

(42:43):
prove this. Then he said to them, these are my
words that I spoke to you while I was still
with you, that everything written about me and the Law Moses,
and the prophets and the psalms like some twenty two
must be fulfilled. Then he opened their minds to understand
the scriptures and said to them is written that the
Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from
the dead, and that repentance for the forgiveness of sins

(43:05):
should be proclaimed in his name to all nations beginning
from Jerusalem, your witnesses of these things. And behold, I'm
sending the promise of my father upon you. But stay
in the city until you were clothed with power from
on high. There's a lot of this, like people heard
and didn't understand or then he opened their minds. I
think we should always be in prayer that God would

(43:27):
open our minds to understand the scriptures on certainly additionally,
here the law and the Old Testament. For witnessing something,
whether it was a crime or whether it was the
new moon, for the keeping of the calendar, you had
to have two witnesses. And what we have for the
life of Jesus, the death and the resurrection of Jesus
is four accounts. We have three first hand witnesses, and

(43:50):
then Luke is a journalistic account that is a an aggregate,
a secondary source of a bunch of other eyewitnesses accounts.
So we've gone above and me on with the three
eyewitnesses eyewitness the three witnesses, and then Luke being this
fourth where it's I think it's so valuable because because Luke.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
It's it's almost more of like a legal argument. Yeah,
with Luke being like this high i Q guy who
was I mean, we talked about it in the first episode.
I forget what his profession was, but he was a doctor.
He was a doctor.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
Yeah, yeah, and he I think his perspective is interesting
and important because he's not as close to it as
the other He can he wasn't there, so he can
kind of step back and look at the story without
being kind of as emotionally involved in it. So I
think it's really really important that we got his viewpoint
as well as Matthew, Marx and John's. Okay, and then

(45:01):
they're all going to go out as witnesses, but they're
instructed to stay until the Holy Spirit comes.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
It is I doubt that they they know that they
are waiting for the Holy Spirit and just like wait
until you are closed with parafund I don't know what
that means, but okay, we just hang about.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
And if you've watched our episode Jewish Feast as Prophecy,
it talks about why they had to wait because the
Holy Spirit comes on Pentecost, on the Feast of Weeks,
and that's where the prophecy of God sending the Holy
Spirit falls in the liturgical year of the Jewish feasts

(45:48):
and the prophecies that they contained. So anyway, if you
haven't watched that, go watch that because there's a lot
of Bible there and it's pertinent. Verse fifty, and he
let them out as far as best Athany, and lifting
up his hands, he blessed them. While he blessed them,
he parted from them and was carried up into heaven,
and they worshiped him and returned to Jerusalem with great joy.

(46:09):
And we're continually in the temple blessing God. And that's
where Luke ends, and the story picks up. Luke's account
picks up in acts. So we will eventually get back
to Ax. But we're also I think we're gonna work.
We're planning with this Bible study to go back and
forth between the Old Testament and the New Testament. So

(46:30):
our next plan of attack is Leviticus with some Hebrews
mixed in, and then after that we'll get back to X.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
Yeah. So sorry, In this last this last paragraph here,
this last passage, they all as a gang, as a group,
they go they go out to Bethany. And then he
just basically gone, yep, wow, yeah, that's how it ends.

Speaker 1 (46:58):
Yeah, And okay, one more jab at Catholicism. There is
not one, to my knowledge, and I've read the Bible
a bunch of times, not one interaction between Mary and Jesus.
Mary the mother of Jesus and Jesus, there's Mary Magdalene,

(47:19):
there's but I there's no like, there's no biblical reason
to hold Mary above anybody else.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
When when are you talking like post resurrection?

Speaker 1 (47:36):
Yeah, yeah, there's it. At the beginning of his ministry,
there's a couple interactions with with Jesus and Mary where
she asks him to do something about the wine situation,
and he performs this first miracle, and then later someone's like,
your your mother and brothers are outside the temple, and

(47:59):
he's like, who are my mother and brothers? It's the
people who it's Christians, it's people who follow me any
kind of low key disavows them, not not like I
don't know those people, but kind of makes it clear,
like there's no special place to my family members. What's

(48:19):
important is the spiritual, Like are you following God? Are
you following me as Messiah? Because I am I'm Him. Yeah,
it's really well. And then at the Cross he not
in Luke, but in one of the other one. I
think it's in John. He assigns John to take care
of his mom because at that point his other he's

(48:41):
the firstborn, so he has the responsibility to take care
of his mom, so he's passing it on to somebody else,
and he doesn't pass it to one of his brothers
because his brothers are nowhere to be found at that time,
and they don't come to believe in him until later.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
So yeah, yeah, that's that's how. That's how Luke is
all right, that the story of the Bible and God
is an over But that's that's at least how lukens.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
And it's it's kind of like smack in the middle
of the story because he, like it really just just
picks up at the beginning of Accent and goes on
as if nothing had happened.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
And and we will, we will get to that. Just
a minute ago, you were saying that at least as
far as these Bible streams or Bible episodes go, Bible studies,
it's going to be you and Liz and which which
books were that you're You're doing one from the Old Testament,
one from.

Speaker 1 (49:36):
The New We're planning to do one chapter of Hebrews
per episode, and then Leviticus and you know, any number
of chapters of Leviticus until the time is up.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
So covering both both books in the same episode. I'm
sure that'll be really fun and there's gonna be a
lot of parallel.

Speaker 1 (49:56):
Yeah, Hebrews talks a lot about what the law means
to us as Christians post cross, and what the Cross
means for the law.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
So, yeah, what what do we what do we have
going on next? What is Wednesday's stream? I think I
don't know, you don't know, Okay, Liz is a Liz episode,
I believe. Yeah, so tune in on Wednesday for that.
I'm sure it'll be something great.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
I'm sure she told me to and I hopefully forgotten.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
I don't think at the beginning we said this, and
we can cover it again on Wednesday. The Overdose, the
Thursday episodes, when we put those out on Spreaker, those
will continue to have the same amount of ads. If
you don't want the ads, because those are the ones
that are behind our paywall, specifically, if you don't want
to have listen to all those ads, come over to locals,

(50:49):
get a subscription, hang out with us, hang out with
all the cool, awesome people that we see on Thursdays.
It is a whole lot of fun. And then, as
far as as I go, this is gonna be the
last time that you guys see me for a while
until Heavy and Liz are done with their next Bible

(51:10):
study session. I might pop in every now and then
for an overdose, and you might see me doing some
some game streams to get our streaming hours in for
the Rumble Creative program. But besides that, you're not not
really gonna see me. So yeah, I mean, it is
what it is. Yeah, So I guess we'll finish with

(51:33):
prayer and then we can head out. Dear Lord, thank
you so much for just us being able to find
the time and having the ability to cover all of Luke.
It's been a pretty pretty sweet past couple couple of weeks,
month and a half. Maybe every every episode I've definitely

(51:58):
learned something I hope all the audience has as well.
Please Helpless go forward in the next week weeks and
be energized and and spread the word and uh be
proud followers of you your name, Amen.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
Thank you for being here.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
By k eating

Speaker 3 (53:05):
The same Lan