The Exorcism Question, Part Three

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Here are ready.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Four three, Hello, and welcome to season one, episode twenty of.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
Alternatively, we have made it to episode twenty except I
will say the thumbnail says nineteen, so you're fired. Wait
doesn't really, Yeah, it's okay, nineteen twenty. Why I will
fix the thumbnail because the title the title says twenty,
and I know it's twenty, and I know that I

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focused so much on doing the part three that I yeah,
that's on me. It is okay, Olla, we won't take
it out of it. In my defense, I have to
like put the babies down for a nap and then
like run around and do a bazillion things, and one
of them was setting up the stream and making a thumbnail.
So no, you're totally fun. You are excusing me. Its

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making me feel worse about it. Oh I'm sorry. Well
then there's no excuses. Avy. Thank you for you know,
how would you like a Paul guys for someone little
and someone's like instead of saying it's not a big deal,
they're like, I forgive you. You're like, that's not the response.
I will. There was like something for this Morning where

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some guy was like, yeah, can I get my statements
for like my account or whatever, and I was like, yeah, sure,
and so I was like, yay, okay, I just got
to run and grab them. He's like, no, that's totally fine,
it's totally okay. And I was like, I wasn't apologizing.
I was just telling you I'm gonna go grab those now.
So it seems to me like you think I've done
a transgression, but you're forgiving me forgetting your statements. I mean,
I don't have to grab your statements. You can just

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wander into the printer room yourself, I guess, and he says,
we all forgive you. But it's all good. Shame I
actually legitimate, like I'm joking about it, but as you
were like, no, it's totally But I was like, it's

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getting under my skin, and I feel so much better
now that that's also getting under my skid. Don't apologize
for dumb things I shouldn't be mad about. That also
makes me feel crappy. Clarify my apologies. I'm sorry, you're
wrong and bad and stupid. It's so much better. Welcome

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but not chat said be thank you. Chat All right.
We are on part three of Exorcism. We are live
for the second week in a row, which we're talking
about this last last week after the show, Like, on
the one hand, it feels so good to be live
with you, and on the other hand, it's like this
is so exhausting. Well kind of like it's great to

(03:41):
be laughing with you guys, but on the other hand,
we have to like yeah, and usually my butler will
read the comments, but I can't really pretend my butler's
me if you guys can see me. Also, John bottled
some mead. He started the process on like two years go.
It's been in our basement aging. Like I was gonna say, like,

(04:04):
fine wine, but find mead, so I wasn't gonna I
took the vast majority of I took October off off
drinking entirely, except that I had one glass of wine
for like a the night John signed for the National Guard.
I wasn't gonna make him drink alone on and I

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like that. But other than that, I took the whole
month of October off. Alcohol was great, and I was like,
I'm gonna definitely keep going, and John's like, I'm got
a bottle, uh bunch of meat and you're gonna taste it.
And now I'm like, now my intentions of not drinking
this month are basically gone because there's so much meat.
Because you were obeying your husband. Yeah, I had no choice, yes, yeah,

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omitting to my rebellious wife by not drinking you Okay.
Exors is a part three. We are into the New Testament.
I I wanted to highlight something that we I think
that we started to cover it even in the first part,
and then like it crystallized a little bit more. But
it's an answer to a question that I had had

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for such a long time that I want to like
zero in on it. It's it's my question was why
do demons just appear in the New Testament and they're
basically not in the rest of the Bible except for
a couple instances of a spirit God sends out. And
the answer that we've given is, as long as God's
spirit was dwelling in the Temple in the midst of Israel,

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nothing was coming into No demons were coming anywhere near. Yeah.
But once we get to the Second Temple period after
the babylon in captivity, God's spirit didn't come into that temple,
and so we have demonic possession and a pressure. I
think that that fully answers it. Yeah, that to me,
I mean I find that satisfying. Someone else might not

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find it satisfying, but like, I don't feel like I
need an over complicated explanation Aside from that, because it
fits with yeah, I think protect them the presence of
Jesus probably like there was more manifestation around. Yeah, they
we're probably gathering around trying to cut head them off

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at the past, right, but in the same with like
the early Church period. Yeah, yeah, all right, go for it.
So before we launch into things, I had referenced. I
forget which episode it was. It might have been the
Ghost Question two parter, Yeah, because there was a soul
sleep question and then the ghost question and then the

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exercise in question. There's just a lot of questions lately.
It's fine, this is a questionable show. We're just asking questions.
We're just asking questions, but we're not we're actually trying
to answer. Oh hey guys, oh let's positial quick while
I finished my notes. I'm just kidding. So there was
one video I have referenced where I was like, oh,
this other thing happened, and I couldn't find the video,

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so I couldn't show you guys, but I found the
video just going through my phone. Apparently I had it
on my phone, say, weird, yes a phone, as we'll worry.
This is the same dude, who do you remember the
It was like a two parter video that we shared
where a lady gets dragged by her ankle and then
he hones it. So this is the same dude, and
it was a similar instance of a dude getting dragged

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but different. So yeah, if you want to play it,
I don't. Well, let me rewritten that question. Play it. Yes,
here we go.

Speaker 3 (07:28):
You need to see what happens to this guy in
this gym right here. Somebody just tagged me in this
video and I can't do it or stitch it, but
I need to show you this. For the duration of
this video, these ropes in the background never stop swinging.
Right there. There's a light in that little room that
keeps going on and off for whatever reason. I'm not
sure where this gym is, but I'm not going to

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sign up anytime soon, and you'll see why in a minute. Okay,
they're gonna fast forward it right here. He's gonna go
to grab some equipment over here. Watch that medicine ball
just roll away totally unprovoked. He gets spooked, grabs his
stuff and goes to leave. Watch his feet ripped out
from under him, dragged and picked up into the air

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by the air.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
What and then he runs up this stuff? To me,
that one's a little bit more clear that it couldn't
be just a line attached him because the angles are
like they're not the same throughout, and what it would
have been someone like parts ship Spiderman style and ceiling
yanking on his foot, which that doesn't Yeah, no, it yeah,
I mean it's creepy. He could be really good body
actor and still be acting that out. But yes, I

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mean just really wanted to talk about blaspheming up the
Holy Spirit, which is actually pulled up that passage and
not because I had it in my notes. Yes, So
what are your thoughts on that video? It's creepy, it's
I mean, it's it's very It's on the same level
as it's interesting that he's wearing a mask. There's well

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he is Asian. It might be in a foreign country
where people wear masks more often more often. Yeah, and
the gym is this like, it's very creepy. This was
also saved onto my phone from years ago, so it
could have even been during the pandemic where it was required. Okay,
I'd have to look at the date on that. Yeah, No,
I don't, like you don't think of a gym as

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like a haunted a place it's likely to be haunted,
although there is. I know this is playing it loose
and goosey with words, but a lot of people will
talk about like fighting their demons in the gym, and
obviously it's just meant like the trauma we've been through
in world, but like people bring a lot of toxicity
in their lives into the gym where they're trying to
work out. So it almost when you think about it,
that way wouldn't be surprising. Ess, it does make sense

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brought in. I don't know. The video is definitely interesting
in that, like there's nobody else around. Yeah, and this
you've got multiple things happening. You've got the ropes that
continually swing and nothing, and the medicine ball that starts
rolling for no reason, and those are heavy, they don't
even like basketballs. Yeah, there's no clear way, Like I

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don't see because because the medicine ball wasn't was rolling
from like a wall that you could see like there's
no there's no way for a person to have like
pushed it into frame. I don't it's difficult to comprehend
how how the video could have been faked, and if

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it had been faked, I don't think any guy would
fake a video where because of medicine ball rolled he
was picking up his stuff to leave a gym and
getting spooked like that would be an embarrassing storyline to write, right.
It almost had the quality of like, what's it called
security footage. The other thing is I kind of wonder

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if that's a basement in like, sorry, a gym and
like the basement of an apartment building sort of type things.
So yeah, some places it just had a different feel
to it than a regular gym. Yeah, but yeah, like
you said, it could have been a foreign yeah location
as well. But the thing constantly swinging that to me
is kind of like really weird. I've seen footage of

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this really weird mind where everyone's talking about being haunted
and there's a bunch of chains to hang down from
the ceiling and one of them just keeps going the
whole video, and it's clear that there's no one who
could be making it do that. That's the sort of
thing where I'm like, I'm not sure how you fake
that if because you can see that no one's like
tugging on it. I don't know, m those are the
weird things. Rabel five says that you could maybe fake

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it with if the medicine ball was fake, like a
much lighter ball, and with a magnee, you'd have to
look at what his hands were doing beforehand in relation
to the ball to see. I mean, it's worth looking.
You would have to put a lot of effort into
faking something like that. And then again, why would you
write a storyline that would make the main character look
like a whim? Here's a question about psychology. If you

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were faking it, would you do so? Most people revert
to like routine in an emergency. So look, in a fire,
people will just kind of get their purses, pack stuff,
and they'll just stay in the building. So you have
to be pretty scared to just leave your stuff behind
and run like you've got your walle your keys, your phone,
et cetera. If someone were faking I think they would

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just kind of reflexively, in faking terror, grab their stuff
and go. I don't know, I'm not sure, I cause
I could see it from the other angle. Yeah, because
he first tries to grab him stuff his stuff and
leave after the medicine ball rolls, but then once he
gets picked up and thrown them around a little bit,
he just gives up just runs, which I think makes sense. Yeah,

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it would be interesting to see if anyone like tracked
him down and asked him more about stuff, because it
could be that, like this is a place where he
works out and the stuff has happened before, and that's
why as soon as the ball rolled he was like nah,
I'm good. Yeah, Or if he was just like the
vibes are weird, I don't know with those things. If yeah,
I don't know that that's the part that gets me
about this video of like why is a guy leaving
after our medicine ball rolls? Like yeah, it's almost like

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a not adding up unless you can feel something palpably
in the air of that you're like, yeah, I don't
want to be here. Well, And and if that's not
security footage, if he was filming, it might be that
like some things had happened and he got a little
bit like weirded out, so he was like filming just
to kind of see what was happening, or one of
those guys who's filming his workout. A lot of people
that a lot of people do that, I film other
people's workouts. I find that more satisfying. But if he

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was filming it, he would have winning on for his
phone first rather than his backpack to walk away, So
it had to have been a security camera. Yeah, and
it wasn't like a good quality camera from like a phone. Also,
Variable says, as a fun fact, in a fire, people
will also only try to exit in the same door
with the sandard, which makes sense because you're just trying
to retrace in your head how you got in. So

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Satyr suggests, maybe he has medicine ball phobiat, you're right,
maybe his family was killed by medicine ball. Yeah, I
think probably that's that's the most likely. And nanny suspeting
this video as an excuse to skip this gym this week, fair.
I think that that's a very reasonable response. I think
it's fair to suggest that most gyms are probably haunted,
and it's best to just not, you know, push that,

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because I mean, the Bible does talk about how the
wicked man flees when no one is chasing. So also,
jogging is evil, it's wicked. As the Bible, it's a
sign potentially that you're maybe a wicked man who's running
when no one is chasing you. I'm just saying, I'm
sure there's that's not an all chary picking up scripture
and misunderstanding the intent, no note at all. No anyway,

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So now that we've spent a lovely fourteen minutes, let's
actually get into the to what we were talking about.
And I have a lot of references. We're just going
to kind of this is more of a an unstructured
show where we're just going to look at all the
references to evil spirits, demons, et cetera, like unclean spirits
in the New Testament, and we're going to just kind
of go from there. So let's look at that first

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passage the Yes. So then a demon possessed man this
is Matthew twelve twenty two for y'all who are just listening.
Then a demon possessed man who was blind and I
mean also pick a struggle dude one or two but
not all three, okay, was brought to him at him
being Jesus, and he healed him so that the man
spoke and saw, and all the people were amazed and said,

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can this be the son of David? But when the
Pharisees heard it, they said, it is only by biels Able,
the prince of Demons, that this man casts out demons.
Knowing their thoughts, he said to them, every kingdom divided
against itself is laid waste, and no city or house
divided against itself will stand. And if Satan cast out Satan,
he is divided against himself, how then will his kingdom stand.

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And if I cast out demons by bils a ble,
by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they
will be your judges. But if it is by the
Spirit of God that I cast out demons, then the
Kingdom of God has come upon you. Or how can
someone enter a strong man's house and plunder his goods
unless he first binds a strong man, then indeed he
may plunder his house. Whoever is not with me is
against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters. Therefore,

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I tell you every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven people,
but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.
And whoever speaks a word against the son of Man
will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit
will not be forgiven, either in this age or in
the age to come. Okay, I've read that differently this
time than I've ever read it before. I'm wondering if
you've read it the way that I want to talk
about it. Okay, but I want to hear your thoughts first.

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So this line about binding the strong man, it seems
like Jesus is saying, I am binding Satan so that
people can be saved, so that the Kingdom can come
upon you. And in that regard, the Holy Spirit is
what He's going to be using to bind the strong man.

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So is that why that if you speak against the
thing that is holding the demons back from you, what
else is there to save you? Right? Well, two things there. Yeah,
So my pastor spoke about this passage recently, but after
I'd already made my notes nice and he was talking about,
if you reject Jesus, you can still be prompted to

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repentance by the Holy Spirit, because the Holy Spirit is
what convicts you. But if you blaspheme the thing that
is convicting you, nothing else can convict you. And Repentance
follows conviction, and repentance is the only way to experience forgiveness,
because how can you be forgiven for something you haven't confessed.
So if you reject the only way by which you
can come to recognize that you sin, there's not another way,

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and so you'll just remain an unforgiveness but going back yet.
So the strong man thing is actually one of the reasons.
I don't know all the reasons, but one of the
reasons why Amillennials believe that Satan is bound now because
the revelation talks about the dragon being bound, and I

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don't know, I don't understand the entirety of that stance,
but the idea that we are able to be saved
yet because Satan has come and Jesus has come and
is bound Satan. But also I used to always read
this when I was a little chiddler. He was saying that, well,
of course Satan doesn't cast out Satan. That would be ridiculous,

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except that he and this is I'm open to push
back on this, he says. So he says, every kingdom
divided against itself is laid waste, and no city or
house divided against itself will stand. First of all, isn't
that plagiarizing Lincoln? I'm just kidding, definitely playing Lincoln. So
he's saying that any house divided against itself is not
going to stand. And then he proceeds to say, if

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Satan casts out Satan, he's divided against himself, how then
will his kingdom stand? Now we know Satan's kingdom isn't
going to stand, right, and we know that Satan is
not a creature of unity and peace and not division. Right,
And then so he says, if I cast out demons
by bils a bole, whom do your son? By whom
do your sons cast them out? To me? I could

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take that a couple of ways. If he's saying, well,
if I'm doing a bye bilds a bole and there's
only one way to drive them out, then that's probably
what you're using too. That's how I've always taken it.
But it could also be well, if you know, if
you and your experience only know that demons can be
driven out by bilsible, and so that's why you think
that you know that I'm doing it, then that condemns you.

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There's a couple of different ways you can take it.
It's probably the face value reading that is the reading.
I so I would have read it like if I,
of all people like because because I'm good, Like if
I'm casting out demons? Yeah, like who are your sons

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casting them? But I found a worst demon somehow. I
it's I don't think it's so much that like he
thinks that they think that they're casting out by bielsible
so much as accusing them of casting out by by
the power beaels ble and not. But in the same
way that like we've we've kind of talked about these
different exorcisms that they were doing in the Second Temple

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period being very witchcrafty. Yes, and it does seem like
they were using the power beaels able to cast out
the demons. Because I mean, and this could be reading
too much into things, but he says by whom dear
sons cast them out? That wording seems to imply that
the Pharisees have been able to cast out demons, that

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they're not just trying to. That might be one where
I would want to look at the tents in the Greek.
But if they are actually casting demons out and they're
not following God, then they're not doing it by God,
And I go back to my theory of like it's
like a puppet show sort of thing. Oh, what's it
called a punch and Judy show? Maybe I'm using the
reference wrong where basically I'm not familiar with that reference

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by punching Judy is like a form of puppet show.
But I'm not disgusting the British. So that's the most
of it. But the idea of it's like a dual
con where you've got one person who's pretending to be
in distress and another person, or one person who's like
a robber and another person who goes to help the
person being robbed, but they're actually working together the both robbers.
Am I making any sense? Or am I just often not?

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On an end? I feel like both the demon and
the exo sistory in on it doing like a farce. Yes, yeah, yeah,
a farce. Or there may be an extent to which,
if you get far enough into the dark arts, you
can use them just enough to let kind of be

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effective at least for a moment. Well, it also could
be that, yeah, they're trying to lure you in, so
they will make you think you're being effective until you're
so deep in that, like they're luring you in further
and further until you're you're so far and you don't
realize Oha, like the ranks have closed in behind me
and there's no going back. Well, yeah, because like you

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it's it's like gambling, like if you win a couple
of times and then oh you are hooked and you
think you're lucky, and you're gonna keep going and going
and going until it destroys you. In this like oh yeah,
let him cast out a few demons and then he's
an expert, and then he's gonna get called in not everything,
and then he's gonna do more and more searching for
hidden knowledge to have more and more empower against them

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and get proud about Yeah. Well, and Mom would talk
about how I think she learned this in missionary training
in in animistic cultures like in West Africa out in
like the tribes where they've got like shamans and stuff
and witch doctors. One thing that will happen is that
the witch doctor will be able to heal people to

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a certain point. There is a certain efficacy to the
witchcraft that is miraculous to a degree, but it turns
it turns on you after a bit and you realize
what a second, this is not helping me heal people.
This actually hates me so much. So yeah, anyway, not
to beat a dead horse to extinction. Uh, but yes,
I'm trying to just remember if there's anything else I

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wanted to cover in this. It's a really interesting passage. Yeah, well,
oh okay, yeah, this is another thing. I used to
always be confused in the manner of the disciples. But
what Jesus was saying because I always expected, Okay, what
he's saying is a direct answer to what the Pharisees
are saying. But that isn't how I find Jesus is
actually communicating. Usually it seems like the Pharisees will say

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something and be like, you know, x Y is the question,
and he will answer the actual real question and just
ignore what they're saying. So he's not even addressing I mean,
he is addressing the suggestion that he's doing by bilsable,
but he's also going like several layers deeper to where
anyone watching without the context is like, wait, what's going on?
But the Pharisees know exactly what he's talking to talking

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to me, cut right, to the heart of the matter. Yes,
So the other thing is I always found interesting that
he leads from you know, you're talking about me casting
out demons by bills able, and then he goes into
the unforgivable sin, because arguably, what I would think that
they're doing here is blasphemy against Jesus, not against the

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Holy Spirit. I could be wrong on that, but the
fact that he brings in blasphemy against the Spirit makes
me wonder if some of their activity in trying to
cast out demons is blaspheming, blaspheming the Holy sp Oh,
that's fast, and that's why he brings it up. But
I could again that's me just literally on the spot
thinking that. How I always assume that accusing Jesus of

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casting out demons by beelsible instead of by the Holy Spirit, right,
that's a Holy Spirit be ALLSI ble basically was an
example of the blasphemy. But because the other thing is like,
it seems like Jesus is doing a lot of these
things on earth in the authority of the Father. That's fine,
a lot. So it may well be, And that's how
I always read it, of him casting them out with

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the authority of the Holy Spirit. But then I'm just
kind of like, there's always a reason why he includes something, right,
and it's not necessarily the most This happens so much
in Scripture, especially in the epistles, where as a kid,
I was like, did you just why did you jump
from this topic to this topic so quickly? Like you
just you just okay, you just wanted to get to

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another topic. But they're connected. They're back to back because
they're connected. And it's the connections that, like, you begin
to understand more and more as you read scripture more.
And I think he does this for several reasons. First
of all, it encourage you to really really look closely.
But it also in the same way with the parables
where he I forget what passages it. It's in Mark

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I think three, where he basically indicates that parables are
to reveal truth to those who want to know, and
obscure truth from those who have hardened hearts. And I
think that the way Jesus talks is intentionally, like he's
not just spoon feeding stuff to you, right, And if
you don't want to know the truth, the way he
talks blends you to it. Yeah, but this is this
is a big part of the reason why I think

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only preaching a couple verses at a time is generally
a problem, not not every single time. Like for example,
my pastor, who usually doesn't only preach a couple verses
at a time, has been going through the beatitudes like
blessed the corn Spirit, and those are like each one
is such a big statement by itself that he's been
doing like a ton of cross references in doing a

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sermon for a statement. I don't have a problem with that,
but in general, you miss some of these like this
is this is connected to this as it's right after
when you divide up into different sermons like that, but
also the chapter, the headings within the chapters, and even
the chapter divisions. I was gonna say, yeah, and that's
one thing I'm going to point out at some point

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as we're going through our links. There's one because of
the chapter division, not chapter division. I think it's within
a chapter, but it's like the subheading. I never made
a connection between these two events being like the same event. Yeah,
and I think chapter and verses are so healthful to
like find your way around the Bible, So I yeah,
I'm not as much against those, but the subheadings. I

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do think that they have a way of ob scaring truth. Yeah,
I mean the chapters make it easy if I'm like, hey,
can you look at backs four thirty two so that
you know what I'm talking about, not like it's somewhere
on page and ninety seven, find it of the of
the edition I have. Yeah, yeah, exactly, because it's not unified.
So but I do think that the reader versions, I

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think is what they're called where they don't have those
are like it's just good to think outside the box
and catch stuff that you mun out of Noah, Like
like when they do a division between a paragraph and
then the next thing after the division says therefore, it's like,
therefore is therefore a reason putting up with the thing?
It's therefore for right. A lot of I'm sure that
people who made the divisions were like really smart people

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and did things for a reason, But sometimes I'm like,
why did you divide it there? Though? Yeah, like were
you trying to obscure the truth? Is the real conspiracy
that the verse chapter division people are evil? I don't
think they were intentionally evil, but I do think that
it is a little bit of a casual adding to
scripture potentially in a way that I can see why

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people justify, especially the headings with ractual words in them.
But I do think that it has been probably used
like I wouldn't think it was. It would be as
much of an issue if you had everything running together,
but just like on the side marked the chapter and
the first that you just kind of find where you are.
But it's a steady block of text. But yeah, the headings,

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to me, you don't need them, and the way they're
placed like people, I think probably people do it because
they understand the passage and so they're trying to break
it up into bite sized passages for people. But like, yeah,
there's a way in which we process scripture that is
different than other things too. I also think it's cutting up.

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We have this tendency is Christians to cut things up
into such small pieces that we miss the overarching truths
because we were like, oh, okay, well I just read
the ten verses that we're in this section and that's enough.
And that's That's not to say there's anything wrong with
having like a small, focused Bible time. There are times
where I'm in my cross reference study and I'm spending
like a ridiculous amount of time on a single verse.

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And that's okay because then you're like looking at the
truth all over scripture. But it is something that like
keep in mind. I think the best way to approach
it is to just switch things up. Don't have the
same for fifteen years. Yeah, style of approaching it. Yeah,
because there's always something that you'll find each time. So
do I let's go on to all the references to
unclean spirits. Some of this on moved through faster, some

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way might go slower. It's kind of is what we
feel like coding it on. So if y'all in the
chat want us to focus in on any specific verses
you see, feel free to yell at us, but nicely
because I'll cry. So Matthew ten one, and he called
to him his twelve disciples and gave them authority over
unclean spirits, to cast them out and to heal every
disease and affliction. It's interesting that they didn't have authority

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prior to that, Yes, just by virtue of being faithful Jews.
That is an interesting point because then it questions like, well,
if no one else had authority because Jesus is or
Jesus the Father, Holy Spirit, the Trinity is the only
one to give authority to people. Then there were no
true exorcisms before by what? By what demon? Because it's like, well, yeah,

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so Jesus is like, I'm God, but you think I'm
the devil, so you don't follow God? So who are
you following? And who's authority are you obeying? And obviously
he makes it clear later like you serve the Father
of life, so they I think he's basically to sum
up the thing. No, you, in the words of Satyr,
you sort of I know you are, but one am I?

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So yeah, so Matthew ten one, also we see we've
talked about this on the show before, and by we,
I mean y'all, not me. The connection here between unclean
spirits and every disease and affliction now that it could
be just just they're listed together because like they're they're
the reigning problems of the day. It's not necessarily saying

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afflictions are caused all of the time by demons. But
the passage we just read was like a deaf and
blind man who was possessed in when he was healed
of the demon, the deaf and blindness went away. So
it seems like there are certain things that a demon
possession does cause, and like I've heard of so it's
when I kind of go back and forth on But
there's something called selective mutism, which is like you know,

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you remember in ever After where she's like Jo, she's mute,
and the guy's like, she spoke quite forcefully and he's
the mother's like, oh it comes. It's basically a phenomenon
with people can have just like sometimes they're mute and
sometimes they're not. And it seems to like that seems
to be demonic to me. It's like it's either demonic
or some people are kind of faking it. Sure, I'm
sure that there's exceptions where it's real, but everyone who's

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ex suffering anything is possessed in my opinion. I'm kidding. No,
it does raise some like interesting questions because it seems
like I'm not a physician and I'm not a physician
of recognizing the demons, so I'm not going to be
right about everything. But it does seem like there is
a strong crossover like when you see schizophrenia. Even like Tourettes.

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I'm going to catch flak for that, but a lot
of tourets I feel like online is faked because it
got really popular to have tourets. But there are times
when it's like, okay, you mean to tell me that
it's just an electrical impulse in your brain that makes
you scream obscenities in public, right right? It's never nice things. Yeah,
it's always like a stile sexual vile. But a side note,

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there is a South Park episode where Cartman learns that
you can just pretend you have tourettess and say horrible things,
but he gives himself tourettes by doing it so much
that he can't stop himself from doing it. That's neither
here nor there. But I do kind of wonder if
if I were to sit and think, okay, how would
it demon manifest? My first thought would be like it
would be yelling obscenities right right, like causing problems and

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also people with tourettes well in some cases like hurt themselves. Right. Yeah,
I do think it it is largely demon possession. There's
one girl I follow, I think her name is Neve
ticks a lot, and she's just got this host of
things that have happened where it started out as tourett's
and then it like her tourettes. She would like have
like open wounds on her face from just like being
unable to stop hurting herself. Now she's wheelchair bound and

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she's got all this like gastrointestinal stuff, and it's like,
mis gracious. It just feels like something is just attacking
every system of your body and it doesn't feel like
a normal health thing. Yeah, theater a ten dollar rumble rant, no,
thanks you, and then ten dollars our waltz and goes
to him. So moving on to the next voice, Uh,

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Matthew twelve forty three. When the unclean spirit has gone
out of a person, it passes through waterless places, seeks rest,
but finds none. Can we go to the context for that? Yes,
thank you. I like this because it's basically suggesting that
when an unclean spirit is in a person, it has rest. Yeah,
so let's go back and read the whole thing. When

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the unclean spirit has gone out of a person, it
passes through waterless places seeking rest. So it sounds like
it doesn't like water or later but that it doesn't
yeah of the wilderness, azel being in the wilderness. Yeah, yeah,
but finds none. Then it says, I will return to
my house from which I came. It sees us as houses,
and when it comes, it finds the house empty, swept

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and put in order. Now I know that it might
maybe it doesn't see us as houses. This is just
like probably the way that Jesus wants us to conceptualize
the metaphoria. Yeah, then it goes out and brings with
it seven other spirits more evil than itself, and they
enter and dwell there, and the last state of that
person is worse than the first. So also will it
be with this evil generation A couple things that I'm
holding in on now other spirits more evil. So it

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seems like, unless this is again a turn a phrase,
it seems like there's different levels of evil in unclean spirits,
like some are I mean, they're all evil, they're all unclean,
but some of them are worse worse. Yeah, they like
to be in pacts, it seems like. And I would
wonder if there's some like they do not forgive being

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cast out, and so when they return they return with
a vengeance. Yeah, like come with me to make life
even worse for this person. And also I think they
probably take it as like a safety and numbers thing
which leads to me to wonder if any exorcisms that
might have been done by the Pharisees in the past
were against like smaller level things that were solitary. I

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don't know how all that works, and I don't need
to know because I'm not of pharisee who exercises demons,
so it's not really necessary for my wheelhouse. The other
thing was actually, I feel like you have a thought?
Did you have a thought? Nope? No, okay, so I
just am hallcinating. Maybe that was everything that I saw

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in there. But oh. The other idea is like unless
a person, you can exercise a person, but unless they
have given their life to God and have the Holy
Spirit dwelling them, they're going to be worse off than before.
So it does raise the question of like do you
even want to exercise someone if they have no interest

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in God? How does that work? Like I wouldn't deny
someone help, but at the same time, is helping someone
hurting them? Right? Well, I've I have heard from like
the missionary perspective of it is often just not useful
to try to drag drag someone in who doesn't want

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help and try to cast the demon out of that
and just all oftentimes it just won't even work well
because the other thing is then this is all secondhand
knowledge I've gotten up from the Bible. But that's what
I mean by secondhand, and I think a lot of
it comes from Neil Azano, who is a Catholic source.
He works in like a deliverance ministry. So take everything
with a grain of salt, because like, I don't know
where people get all this information. I would assume there's

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been some experience. But the idea of like demons being
very legalistic, So if you have a foothold, like if
you have an open door where you're giving permission. So
let's say you got possessed because you are into pornography,
but you would like the possession to stop, but you
don't really want to give up the pornography. There's still
a part of you that's like, this is my special
sin and I really love it and I don't want

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to give it up. So you can be delivered all
you want. But it's kind of like a wink wink, sia,
I'm going to go around back and come in the
back door once we get this whole first for the Exorcist, right,
I mean and I think that you see that played
out in like other ways too, of like someone has
a mountain top experience with God, was like, oh, if
it up for God, but then they go back to

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their life and nothing changes. It's the same kind of idea. Yeah. Also,
chat being very wise, says Abby famously never has thoughts.
I just felt it was important too clar feed back. Yeah, wow, thanks,
So let's go back to the list of references do

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monomena mark one twenty three And immediately there was in
their synagogue a man with an unclean spirit and he
cried out, So let's go to that. That's kind of
like a Tourette's like am crying out? Kind of yeah,
like he just suddenly manifests. So he cries out, what
have you to do with us? Jesus of Nazareth. So
the translation what do you have to do with us?

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Or what have you to do with us? Is translated
from the phrase it's like what to me to you,
which should be translated a couple of ways of like
what business to you? Have you with me? Like it's
a weird grammadical thing, and this is the best rendering.
Have you come to destroy us? I know who you
are the Holy One of God. So they're tattletales too.
They're like, well, to me, is like, are they trying
to Jesus is being secret about his ministry to a

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certain point so that the fullness of his ministry can
be accomplished, And they're just like try to set batash
that or is it just that, like they literally are
compelled by their nature in comparison with his nature to
just confess. Yeah, which and this is also should be
really sobering to people that even the demons recognize that
he is the Holy One of God. Yeah, and they're

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not going to heaven, so it's not enough to be like, oh, yeah,
Jesus is the Son of God. I know that that
isn't enough to be saved. To be saved, you have
to repent of your sins and follow him. Yeah, even
demons believe in him. Yeah. You know, if you have
less faith than a demon, you know you've got problems.
But even yeah, anyway, but Jesus rebuked him saying be

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silent and come out of him, and the unclean spirit
convulsing him and crying out with a loud voice, came
out of him and they were all amazed. So that
they questioned among themselves, saying, what is this a new
teaching with authority? He commands even the unclean spirits, and
they obey him, and it once his fame spread everywhere
throughout all the regions their surrounding region of Gallic. Another
thing that's interesting here is in our modern day and age,

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we're like, oh, do I think demons are real? Do
I think that these other things are real? But it's
just a given that, Like, yeah, what's not a given
is how to take care of them? Yeah, But no
one's like, oh, I know that guy was just having
a fit. He's fine, he does that. Like why is
everyone acting like it was a spirit show? Really fascinating
What happened to us as a culture, as a society
when we stopped believing in the supernatural on the whole,

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stopped recognizing it. Yeah, I think calling in other things.
I wouldn't be surprised if it was kind of like
World War one, world War two, where people stop believing
in that sort of thing. But I could be even
like the Enlightenment era. I mean, oh that is true. Yeah, there,
it was a progression for sure. Made you brook am
late what I miss just you know, the most exciting

(39:53):
parts of the show. We're just winding up now. I'm kidding.
We're not too deep into Yeah, no, we actually, you know,
we spend a lot of time kind of chatting about
some certain things and have a lot to cover still secrets, secrets,
nobody tells. Nobody tell her what we talked about. And
this one is actually not recorded live stream, So if
you never you didn't hear it, then it's just not
never gonna read your ears. Also, I'm joking. Anyway, let's

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go back to our listipoo, I'm gonna keep having us
like going back and forth. I hope that's okay with you.
Oh yeah, it's completely fine, so we can get past
yeah twenty seven, Mark three eleven. And whenever the unclean
spirit saw him, they fell down before him and cried out,
you are the son of God. I think, almost exclusively,
every time he runs into an unclean spirit, it confesses him.

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It does feel like a compulsion like that they they
feel compelled to confess him. Yes, And then mark three
point thirty, the Pharisees were saying that Jesus had an
unclean spirit, I think. And then mark five to two. Oh, yes,
if we could go into mark five two. This is
one that's going to also highlight if you could scroll
back up a little bit. So right before this, Jesus

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is calmed the storm, so he's sleeping on the boat.
They're crossing over the lake. There's a big storm. The
disciples are like, uh, can you help us? Like do
you want us to die? And Jesus rebukes the wind
and the waves, which in ancient near Eyston culture it
was understood that only God could control the ones of
the waves, even in like the non Christian, like the

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non Jewish cultures, they would be Zeus, Yeah, like the
high God could do it, versus Jupiter. By the time
we get to Rome, yeah, so Jesus here is revealing
that he is not just someone with authority to do miracles,
but he is the highest authority. And then immediately after
after the disciples are like, we have miscalculated who were following,

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and we're also kind of scared. They crossed to the
other side of the sea and land. So they came
to the other side of the sea to the country
of the Garriscenes. And when Jesus had stepped out of
the boat, immediately there met him out of the tombs
and man with an unclean spirit like me personally at
that point, my nerves would be like, you know, I'm out,
like no more. I do think it's interesting that these
people with unclean spirits aren't coming to him like and

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that I think that goes to like do you want
to be? Do you? They're not being dragged against their
will by their friends. The only time that you see
someone bring someone else and Jesus heals is a child. Yes,
and the parent has authority over the child and brings
the child for help. Yeah, But all I correct me
if I'm wrong, And obviously we're looking at all the

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movement references and we might be able to correct me
if I'm wrong. But it seems like all of these
adults are walking up to him out of some like
whatever part of them is not controlled by the demons
looking for Jesus, some part of them. And my pastor
made this joke about this passage where he was like, like,
just imagine the conversations surrounding all this where Jesus is like, Hey,

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We're going over to the country of the Garricines because
I have a missionary there that I want to recruit,
and they're like okay, and then they land there, and
then this naked man comes up to them screaming and yelling.
He's like, oh there he is, right on time. Okay,
let's get this the party start with books. So this guy,
he lived among the tombs, and no one could bind

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him anymore, not even with a chain, for he had
often been bound with shackles and chains. But he wrenched
the chains apart, and he broke the shackles and pieces.
So we actually do have a biblical basis for Superman. Yeah,
a biblical basis for a demon giving somebody's strength beyond
what the human should have strength for. Yeah, like that's

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I want to say, beyond what even a druggie could do,
like breaking a chain. It's an interesting Samson parallel, it is. Yeah,
that is a good point, because the spirit of God
would come up on Samson and give him strength. And
we find in the Revelation we'll see that there is
going to be like the false prophet of the Antichrist,
two will be able to do signs and wonders. And
we see an exodus where there was a certain extent

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to which the magicians could copy Moses's miracles. Moses working
with God, obviously, but only to a certain point. So
just because something miraculous or weird or strange happens doesn't
mean it's a miracle from God. So do keep that
in mind when you see where it thinks. Question, what's
the word? Test? The spirits? Test the spirits make them
do math. So he lived among the tombs, He's really strong.

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No one had the strength to subdue him night and
day night day among the tombs and on the mountain. Sorry,
he was always crying out and cutting himself with stones.
This element of self harm is interesting. So people there's
been some discussion about like, Okay, was he just doing
this to be scary? Was he doing this because the
demon is trying to hurt him? Is he doing this
because he's trying to kill himself to escape the demon?

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And if along with super strength, he has superability to
not die because of the spirit, it's hard to tell.
And then and when he saw Jesus from Afar, he
ran and fell down before ran and fell down before him.
Like whatever human part is in here has run to
Jesus and submitted himself to this. And that's really powerful
considering what's coming next. And I feel like every part

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of him, that any bit of him that was left,
just like scrounged up whatever strength he had, and just
like it's really powerful. Yeah, And crying out with a
loud voice, he said, what have you to do with me, Jesus,
Son of the Most High I endure you. But yes,
this is so cool because all the strength he had, yes,
was to run, but Jesus came all the way across

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the sea for him. Yes, yeah, Jesus already knew he
was gonna save him before the storm even happened. So
and crying out with a loud voice, he said, what
have you to do with me, Jesus, Son of the
Most High God? I adore you, by God, do not
torment me. For he was saying to him, come out
of the man, you unclean spirit. So I feel like
there's two things happening. It's like two voices crying out

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at the same time, because what have you to do
with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? Could
be the demon talking, but it could be the man,
like what do you Why are you coming to me?
Of all people I don't know? And Jesus said to him,
what is your name? He replied, my name is Legion,
For were many now a lot of people will take
this as okay, Well, he asks him his name, so
this means you to ask a demon its name, and
in cultures like having your name gives you power over them,

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and that could well be what's happening. But Jesus might
be asking the dude what his name is, and the
demon is answering Legion for we are many, or the
man just doesn't know who he is anymore and so
he's answering Legion. Yeah. I would point out here that
that this is the only time Jesus does yes ask
the name, and I think it's because he knows the answer.

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He knows that he's going to get this Legion answer
that this guy is full of demons, that he's been
so taken over. But any other time he casts out
demons a bazillion other times in this chapture, and he
never asks the name, probably because it doesn't actually care
what the name of any individual demon is. He just

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wanted to highlight that there were a lot in this guy,
and I wouldn't be surprised if it was the guy's name.
The guy like people called him Legion because he was
just possessed by so many, like he had completely lost
his identity. And often when Jesus does something, it's not
because that's how it needs to be done, but that
because something with the way he does it teaches us
something about himself. So yeah, Legion for we are many,

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and he begged him honestly not to send them out
of the countryside, out of the country. So the demons like,
not only do they not want to like get tormented
by him, they also kind of just want to stay
where they're at. It's just interesting, like they do seem
kind of territorial. The only thing I will say here
is that it may be a good litmus test if

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you are in a situation with the demon possessed person
to ask them their name and see if you get
the human name or the demon's name. Not that you
should sit there and then rust them to try to
get the demon's name, but as just kind of an
idea of like what am I dealing with here? How
fully is this person taking taken over? And I think
the distinction that I would suggest is like you're not
asking the demon any questions, You're asking the person, and
you're seeing how the person answers to gauge how are

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gone they are or what's going on, because I don't
think there's any biblical basis for having a conversation with
the demon. You're not going to gather any useful information
from someone whose father is the father of lies. I
do think it is sinful to have a conversation with
a demon, and not just sinful, like sinful as like
a taking for granted, but also just really stupid, because

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I feel like talking to a demon is a way
to give him a fold, Like you don't. I remember
we were show sheltered growing up. But the first year
I was in college, Halloween rolled around and a bunch
of my very Christian friends were like, let's watch an
exorcism movie and they were like, don't worry, it'll be
like it'll be tame, and I remember it was. It

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was Catholic and the priest part way through the movie.
I'll give spoiler, but I won't tell you what the
movie was because I don't even remember the name of it.
But halfway through the movie, the demon jumps into the priest,
and I remember being so offended by it when I
watched it, because I was like, this can't happen, Like

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someone who was able to cast out demon would never like,
because my assertion was, even though I don't agree with Catholicism,
this guy must be truly saved if he's able to
cast out demons. Therefore, if he's truly saved, there's no
way a demon could jump into him like that. And
it was really scary. It was it was genuinely scary

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that I've been thinking about this movie this whole conversation
because I'm like, actually, no, that's probably why. One of
the big reasons why so many of the creepiest exorcism
movies are have that kind of theme in them, that
a nun gets possessed, like the possessed Nune trope is.
So I think it's two reasons. I think it's a

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it's a cliche, a trope to be like, well, you
know it's scary is the one who supposed to authority
over this being possessed. But also I hear that nuns
are scary because they'll like beat you with rulers in
Clathoic school. I do think it's a juxtaposition of like,
what's the most innocent adult on the planet supposed to
be a nun? Okay, now make it possessed and the
jextaposition is yippy, But I do think it's deeper than

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that of like and I see this with Protestant pastors too,
where sometimes the absolute most horrific, sinful falls are happening
with these men who were And I do wonder if
it's you you got too close to the darkness and
didn't and didn't actually like have your faith in God,

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and you are going on your own strength too far
the kind of person who there's like two kinds of
people gravitating towards that position, those who actually are led
and called to shepherd and those who really like being
the center of things, being in power. Sure, and you're
gonna no matter what side you're on, I think you're
gonna take a lot of You're gonna have a higher
amount of temptation attacking you, because anyone, even if the

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person themselves is an easy target for the devil because
they're not saved, anyone in that position is a good
target to tack to, like tactically attack, because anyone who's
in that position who falls is going to hurt the church.
But I do wonder, and this is the first time
I've wondered this, if it's more than that, too, that
a pastor is potentially in danger of thinking about sin

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too much and being because his focus is so much
on being perfect in his own strength. It is like
by nature of because what is all What I've always
struggled with is like, how does somebody who devoted their
life to God, who's constantly in the world, who's writing

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sermons all the time, falling into something like this? Doesn't
this doesn't this nearness to God protect you? But I
do wonder if it's like you went for the hidden knowledge,
you went for it in your own strength, and you
went down a path that the path itself was extremely
It wasn't so much that the pastor role was extremely dangerous,
but the path that you went down within your role
was extremely dangerous. Like it's one of those things where

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you don't enter lightly, and anyone who enters even a
little bit frivolously or a little bit off in their
motivations that it becomes worse of her time. Also, going
back to the talking to demon's thing, when you're doing
a like temptation, you shouldn't have a conversation with it.
Let me give an example, like I'm let's say I
have a friend. This is not based on anything in
real life. I have a friend I don't like her.

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Every now and then I get the temptation to hit her,
and I'm like, well, if I were a hitter, I
wouldn't hit her that hard, Like you know what I mean,
We're going with like instead of being like, no, perish
the thought, that's not even like it would be like
the thought. But in my fantasy, how would I go
about Well, you guys, remember when we went through the
the the Catholic school shooter trans Yeah, and the whole

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thing was him like I would never do it, but
like if I did, I did. You're sitting like you're
giving airtime to the thought. You're letting it sit down.
I think that's an example of giving a foothold to
the devil of instead of being like no, back out
the door you came in, be like, oh, sit down
a while, let's talk about this. I'm not gonna do it,
but let's talk about it. You can present your case
to me. And I think a lot of times when
people do even if they don't, and I like, I'm

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guilty of this even if they even if they aren't
saying okay, I know this is a sin, but like
I'm gonna fantasize about doing this sin. Sometimes it's like, Okay,
I know this is a sin, but how close can
I get? How close can I get to the line
without actually doing it? Would that be too? Would that
be over the line? Well, and like, if you're trying

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to get close, you've already fallen over the line. Yeah,
that's how the line works. It's not stationary. It's up
because it's in your heart. It's a hard issue. Yeah,
because well like when Jesus said, you know, to even
just look at a woman with the lust in your
heart is to commit a ultra in your heart because
the sin happens in the head before you act it out. Right.

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So going back to that list of references, and again
this is I'm going to try to not do too
manybody trails going forward because this could easily be a
four parter and I'm gonna not indulge in a four
porter on this show because there has to be a
line somewhere. So let's go back. We can leave this passage.
Oh did we cover Did we finish reading? No? I
didn't finish reading it. You're better at this And he
begged him earnestly not to send him them out of

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the country. Now, a great herd of pigs was feeding
there on the hillside, and they begged him, saying, send
us to the pigs, let us enter them. So he
gave them permission, and the unclean spirits came out and
entered the pigs, and the herd, numbering about two thousand,
rushed down the steep bank into the sea and drowned
in the sea. So there are a couple things here,
and we're not going to go too far into it.
We're going to just ignore PTA's complaints that pigs get

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killed here, because my pastor pointed out one thing we
learned from this passage is that one person is much
more valuable to God than a herd of pigs, So
suck it, Pita. And then also pigs are unclean, so
they go into them. And also just to show how
destructive demons are, because a lot of I think some
of the references we covered in the previous episode where

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the Exorcist would be like and when you leave, demon,
knock over this bowl so that I know that you've left.
And this is a much more dramatic example of how
it actually works. Of like when you see them go out,
this is like a manifestation of what was in the guy.
It's a really visceral yeah. Yeah. And then naturally the

(55:10):
people in the countryside were like, yeah, we're so happy.
Oh wait, no, they begged him to leave. They're like, no,
Jesus go, which I think is a great response because
they're more mad that their pigs are dead than about
the man. But also this is interesting too. It shows
a really clear difference between a human being and animals.
And like just a strength, because he had the strength

(55:32):
in his frame to hold the demons inside of him. Yes,
just by virtue of being a person. But the pigs,
like like they immediately just run off the lift, they panic,
they shoot. I forget exactly the funny thing my pastor said.
It was like something about pigs committing mass suicide. But
he said it funny. It doesn't matter. I wrote it
in my notes, but I didn't bring my notes anyway.

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So let's go back to that list of references. It's
some you don't have to scroll up. You're you're gonna
hit the back button. No I did, you didn't. It's okay,
did we go? That was so weird? Okay? And then
Mark six' seven and he called the twelve and began
to send them out two by two and gave them
authority over the unclean spirits again the. Twelve so this

(56:14):
is actually where some people will bring, up, well not
everyone has given the power to cast out. Spirits it
was just the, twelve AND i think later the seventy.
Two SO i think that it's something worth looking. Into
like for me, PERSONALLY i think that we have seen
enough examples Of christians casting out, demons SO i think
the difference is they didn't have The Holy spirit in.
Dwelling they were just given direct authority By. God but

(56:37):
once The Holy spirit, CAME i think anybody AND i
think that's the. Case, well because there is one passage
Where jesus says he'll breathe his spirit onto them or.
SOMETHING i forget exactly What we're all flesh and they.
Can't they'll, no this is a different. ONE i know
what you're talking about there where it almost seems like
he gives them like in the same way That david
would Have god's spirit on. Him that sort of hint

(56:58):
taste of it before or The. Pentecost but that's not
the purview of this. Show so it's never, here, noo
there but an answer to Major brooks, says anyone else
used to watch ghost hunting shows and then feel like
you were in then inviting this spookyust into your? Home
or was this just Made, YEAH i think there's a.
LINE i think there is a way you can approach
certain things like as. Research BUT i think that anytime

(57:20):
you're watching something like that for, ENTERTAINMENT i would just
be really really. CAREFUL i would be. CAREFUL i would pray.
AFTERWARD i would test the spirits in your home of,
like HAVE i let anything in and pray against it
and if if because different shows are are different levels,
too and so just as long as you're on prayer

(57:42):
about it and willing to not watch something If god's
telling you not, to THEN i think You're. Yeah And
i've watched stuff where it was like this show wasn't about,
demons but something about the, vibes something about the stuff
felt like it and tried to invite. Something and then
also even just don't underestimate something making you. Afraid, yeah

(58:03):
when fear is invited, in that's something to. Watch, YEAH i,
Think and it's for everyone to think a case by case,
thing like some people are going to be much more
in danger than. Others but anyone who's, like, oh it's
not a problem for, Me i'm, safe you're more in
danger than. OTHERS i. THINK i think there are times,
where like you watch too Many instagram reels about the
life you want that you don't, have and then you
need to pray against just that spirit of discontent that comes. In,

(58:26):
yeah the feeling of fear is what we most associate
with demonic, oppression but there is so many other ways
that it can come in and. Manifest if you're watching
something and you're consistently ending up angry, afterward or just,
despairing or just a jerk to, OTHERS i, mean it
might be that you gave a foothold of. Something, yeah,
yeah so, yeah that's been my professional but not a professional,

(58:49):
opinion So mark seven twenty. Five but immediately a woman
whose little daughter had an unclean spirit heard of him
and came and fell down at his. Speed if we
could click into, that BECAUSE i think this is a
case where he exercises someone from a. DISTANCE i do
think that this is an example of WHAT i was
saying before of like when a child's under the authority
of the, parents it is up to the parents, yes

(59:10):
to come To jesus and ask for the ask for the. Deliverance.
Yeah so she falls on his, feet and it, says
now the woman was a, gentile a sarophonician by, birth
and she begged him to cast the demon out of her.
Daughter and he said to, her let the children be fed,
first for it is not right to take the children's
bread and throw it to the. Dogs but she answered, him, Yes,
lord yet even the dog's under the table eat the children's.
Crumbs and he said to, her for this, statement you

(59:31):
may go your. Way the demon has left your. Daughter
and she went home and found the child lying in
bed and the demon. Gone and this always looks through
me as a. KID i know we've talked about this,
before and it was just, like why Is jesus being
like kind of a, Jerk and he's not because he's testing.
Her he, IS i, think if, anything addressing her viewpoint
of seeing herself as, unworthy, unworthy and also the viewpoint

(59:55):
of The jews of like they. Believe this is what
The jews, believed is that they were the Children god
and the salvation really wasn't for the gentiles and just
the crumbs for. Them BUT i think it's worth noticing
in the context there are there this woman and the
guy we just talked about who was in the, tombs
who was. Possessed there's a few cases of. Miracles were,

(01:00:16):
like they're the first in that region to be, healed
and they're a. Gentile AND i think this is an
example of how the gospel, works Where jesus came first
for The jews and then for the. Gentiles but we
get more than just. Crumbs we don't just we're not
a second. Thought and the reason The jews existed was
so that we could be. Saved it is. INTERESTING i

(01:00:36):
think the only the only two THAT i can think
of of these healings from a, distance we're both. Gentiles
and and with the, centurion it was very specifically LIKE
i don't want to waste your. TIME i know you're
an important, person AND i believe you can heal From,
afar so go ahead and do. That and and it's

(01:00:56):
interesting that this woman does not bring her daughter with.
Her she just comes To, jesus AND i think that
goes to like that belief that she's not really worth his. Time,
yeah it's going to come ask. Anyway and she's a
direct refreshing approach to The pharisees who are like well
even the even the disciples of, LIKE i want to
be sitting by the right head Of, jesus And i'm
going to be the. First and like he As adamal

(01:01:18):
with one of The, pharisees he has to rebuke them
for the way they're. SITTING i forget, now but basically
like where he says the last shall be first and
the first shall be. Last this idea of they just
took it as a given that they were going to be,
saved The jews. Did and you, know he comes in
and he, says not everyone who thinks that they are
will inherit the kingdom will and heharit the. Kingdom i'm
paraphrasing this. Badly so she shows a remarkable faith of

(01:01:39):
LIKE i am not. Entitled, yeah but even just a
little bit of what you offer these people will be
enough for. Me AND i think that is the root of.
It of that's what faith is of being Like god
does not owe me, anything but if he would just
have even a little mercy on, me that would just
would be. Enough, Yeah and that belief that there was
enough to go, around that the crumbs would be enough

(01:02:01):
for her and please let me have the. Crumbs but
also that idea of like The jews thought that they
would be first and, Only, yeah or at least. FIRST
i think that there are definitely some who who perhaps
believed That god was gonna do something with the whole.
WORLD i think there's enough scripture THAT i had a
Faithful jew who is in the scripture would have seen.
That but that the last The gentiles would be. First mm.

(01:02:28):
Hmm but not only, yeah that The jews will be
last as a nation as a, people but that they
will come. In. Yeah and also one last. THING i
know this is the same, topic but it's a different.
Viewpoint it's not even just that she was, like you,
know the crumbs are. Enough The pharisees would have disdained the.
Crumbs they would have been, like IF i can only
get the, crumbs THAT i don't want, it and she's, saying,

(01:02:52):
yeah give me the. Crumbs i'm totally, Fine Like i'll take.
Those so, Anyway, yeah we can go back to that
list of other. Stuff d, Dude mark nine twenty. Five
and When jesus saw that a crowd came running, together
he rebuked the unclean spirit saying to, it ut mute
and deaf, SPIRIT i command you come out of him
and never enter him. Again that's another that's a. Spasification

(01:03:15):
so if you could go just like a little bit.
Further oh, yeah, yeah that's another one WHERE i was
trying to harm him and this is the father his.
Child so if you could go just a tiny bit,
more uh, yeah. Okay and when they came to the,
disciples they saw a great crowd around them and scribes
arguing with, them and immediately all the, crowd when they saw,
him were greatly amazed and ran up to him and greeted.

(01:03:36):
Him and he asked, them what are you arguing about with?
Them and someone from the crowd answered, him, TEACHER i
brought my son to, you for he has a spirit
that makes him. Mute it's actually he did bring the,
sun and whenever it seizes, him it throws him down
and he foams and grinds his teeth and becomes. Rigid
that sounds like a. Seizure that sounds like. Yeah SO
i asked your disciples to cast it, out and they
were not. Able and he answered, Them, oh faithless, generation
how long AM i to be with? You you know you

(01:03:58):
mess up when you're, like and how DO i do?
This and he's, like, oh how much longer do you
have to put up with? You i'm, sorry how long
AM i to bear? With? You bring him to? Me
and they brought the boy to, him and when the
spirit saw, him immediately it convulsed the boy and he
fell on the ground and rolled, about foaming at the.
Mouth And jesus asked his father how long has this
been happening to? Him and he said from, childhood and

(01:04:19):
it has often cast him into fire and into water
to destroy. Him but if you can do, anything have
compassion on us and help. Us And jesus said to,
him if you, can all things are possible for one who.
Believes so he's. Challenging this guy's, like if you, can,
like of COURSE i. Can immediately the father of the
child cried out and, SAID i. Believe help my. Unbelief
like that's just LIKE i go back to that a
lot of LIKE i, believe help me. Believe Because jesus

(01:04:41):
calls him out for his lack of. Faith, there he's
like and even that recognition of like so many of
these prosperity preachers will be, like you don't have the
thing that You i've been asking for the miracle that
you're asking for because you don't have enough faith for.
It and then you have to just, like in your
your own strength create the faith for it and build

(01:05:02):
it up until you can have your, miracle and you
earn your. Miracle and that is not what happens. Here
jesus recognizes that he isn't quite coming with the, faith and,
yeah he calls it, out and the guys just, like
help help, me help my. Belief he recognizes that faith
comes from From. Jesus AND i think this is where
the disciples, failed as they had that same issue of.

(01:05:22):
Faith they didn't admit. It. Yeah, Yeah and When jesus
saw that the crowd came running, together he rebuked the unclean,
spirit saying to, it you mute in deaf. SPIRIT i
command you come out of him and never enter him.
Again it's interesting he doesn't seem like he usually adds
that last, Bit i've never come. Back but he's, like
AND i wonder if it's because this kid is before
the aid of understanding where he can make a decision

(01:05:43):
to Follow, god and so he doesn't Protection it doesn't
seem that he does it with every single. Child, true
but it's a Good it is. Interesting, yeah and it's
possible that some of these things are. Said it's just
that not every gospel writer felt that them because they
weren't the points story that is. Fair and after crying
out and convolsikin, terribly it came out and the boy

(01:06:03):
was like a, corpse so that most of them said
he is. Dead it is. Interesting it seems like even When,
jesus who literally has the most authority over, them tells
him to, leave they they don't. Leave, yeah they try
to do as much as they're like being dragged. Out
it's very, quick but it is still a. Fight it's
like when you're dragging a cat through a doorway and
they're like, cleaning like classic drag. Meme so they think he's.

(01:06:28):
Dead But jesus took him by the hand and lifted him,
up and he. Arose and when he had entered the,
house his disciples asked him, privately why could we not
cast it? Out and he said to, them this kind
cannot be driven out by anything but. Prayer notice in
some translations it says prayer and. Fasting in the footnotes
of my ant, version it says that the unfasting. Part
there's some debate as to whether that's. Original it's not
in every single what's the word some, menus it's not

(01:06:52):
in every what are they called Witness they call the manuscripts,
witnesses WHICH i think is. Interesting and so, Like i've
seen a lot get put on THAT i think we
did with Jo, anderson AND i think it's worth bringing
up as a. CONVERSATION i wouldn't discount it out of,
hand BUT i THINK i am inclined to believe that
this is the correct because it seems like what he's
trying to say is you didn't have, faith and instead

(01:07:12):
of turning to me and asking for, help you just were, like,
OH i GUESS i can't do it in my own.
Power is what essentially since we're trying to. Do. Right,
ALSO i do kind of wonder when when the boy
looks like a corpse and they're saying he's, dead if
he actually had died And jesus just like subtly brought
him back from the day. Right, well it is interesting
because it is kind of A i don't know how,

(01:07:36):
common but well known thing that some of those people
die in exercise in. Exorcisms, yeah and But, ALSO i
do know of people who have had seizures where it
does look like they're dead where the breathing is so,
yeah definitely either. Way, Yeah and it raises a question
BECAUSE i don't necessarily Think i'm not saying everyone with
epilepsy is. POSSESSED i think it's possible that there's two
things happening but they get confused for each. Other BUT

(01:07:57):
i will say that like epilepsy and, turettes they're both
like issues of misfiring electricity in the. Brain and my
UNDERSTANDING i would have to fact check on this because
it's been a while Since i've learned about, this is
that people with disassociated identity, disorder which she used to
called multiple personality, disorder when they're manifesting different, personalities have
different brain waves on a scan of the brain whenever

(01:08:18):
scan they're. Using AND i know of one. Person this
is anecdotal and it's not SOMETHING i don't think you could,
google because this is like someone in A bible study
knew someone had this happened to or she had multiple personality,
disorder and she spoke with the, pastor and the pastor was,
LIKE i need you to renounce your, demons and she
did and never had any issues, Again so that's worth looking,
into like a whole show on is multiple personality disorder

(01:08:39):
real or is it just? Demons because when you see
like the people online who've made this whole, trend like
my alters and all, this, yeah it does seem really made,
up but it also seems really demonic that they would
want to make it. Up, yeah and the things that
they're choosing to have as their, alters like MY theeo. Type,
yeah it just makes me wonder if there was another
brain wave controlling your, brain if you could just pinpoint
that and be, like that's not a normal thing that brain.

(01:09:00):
Does when you see that, happening it is because there
is a spirit using that. Brain, YEAH i don't. Know
i've always believed that at least the real, versions BECAUSE
i think that there's a lot of faked versions of
multiple personalities because it's just so like interesting and it
makes you, interesting and especially in the age of like,
TikTok i think there's a lot of people faking. It
BUT i think you're right to faking. It it's a

(01:09:21):
sign of a condition in the. Tone, Yeah BUT i,
mean if if if the original of, Anything tourette or
multiple personnality or. Whatever if if the original is, DEMONIC
i think faking it is an open invitation to the. Demonic,
yes there, is like if you do the thing, ironically
you start to do it un ironically and if you

(01:09:44):
if you, want you will get. It, yes if you build,
it they will come yeah or. Something, also oh what
were we gonna? SAY i had another thought related to oh,
YEAH i feel like it's a bell curve thing where
in the medieval times it was, like, oh you're sick
because you have ghosts in your bloodjuice and cocaine about,
it and then science comes along and we're, like, oh

(01:10:06):
you're sick because the viruses and all the. Things and
Then i'm on the other side of the becker of being, like,
yeah you're sick because you have ghosts in your blood
and you should do. Cocaine SO i did not tell
you guys to just drink regular. Coke, alright let's go
back to. Ours drink regular. Coke, yes just bad enough for, you.

(01:10:26):
Okay also side note people saying, like, oh coca be
used is a cleaner and we put that in our,
Bodies like that's so, awful and it reminds me of
the conversation of, well if baby oil can dissolve, condoms
imagine what it does to. BABIES i just feel like
things are made out of different things have different effects

(01:10:47):
depending on the. Context like vinegar could also be a,
cleaner but we don't nar water could be a. Cleaner
we definitely need to drink. WANTER i don't. KNOW i
feel like that's made, up. KIDDING i like. Water So
luke for thirty six and they were all amazed and
said to one, another what is this word? For with

(01:11:07):
authority and, power he commands the unclean spirits and they
come out so even just this that he's like so
effective because it seems like whatever exorcism stuff they were
doing before involved a much more smoke and. Show But
jesus just did it with. Words you, See like in his,
miracles there's one time he heals the blind in but
putting lead in his. Eyes there's another where like he

(01:11:27):
does a few things where it was like there's a
process for SOME x Y z, Reason but with this
it's always just, authority just a spoken. Authority it's like
when my cat is doing something bad and like room
and she's like and stops doing the bad thing because
she knows THAT i. Authority, yeah satyr, says, SORRY i
was bullying the mayor elective Of New York. City did

(01:11:48):
someone say it's cocaine and time and cocaine time somewhere
cocaine time in the city. Away that's gonna drop as
my Next spotify. Single, guys if you want to just
keep keep tuned for. That Luke six's eighteen people came
to hear him and to be cured of their, diseases
and those who were troubled with unclean spirits were. Cured

(01:12:10):
so it seems like this this prolific thing of just
like you're, sick you have a, disease you have an
infirmity of some, type you're like a shriveled blim or,
whatever or an unclean, spirit just like everyone's going to.
Him like there's a lot of people with unclean, spirits
just a. Lot. Yeah, YEAH i do think that we
have possession, nowadays BUT i don't think it exhibits in
the same, degree or we're just so bad at recognizing.

(01:12:31):
It could be that like five out of every ten
people were run into our possessed and we just don't know. It,
Okay so, yes theory answer massive conversations have been happening
in the last few years about why our nation is so,
sick why is? Chronic at an all, times the why

(01:12:54):
is not enough people are doing cocaine about it is
clearly the. Answer, no why are what is with all
these chronic? Illnesses what is with all the? Autism what
if it's? Demons, well it. Does it seems to go
hand in hand with you, KNOW i said it, jokingly
but with like the push to the, groom the, children
all the gay, stuff but just the decline of Our

(01:13:17):
it's interesting that we are getting sicker with the decline
of our. Culture and you could you could, say, oh
it's because greed is putting bad stuff in our food
and our medical system is, bad AND i think those
are All there's so many. Finds, yeah BUT i do
wonder how much is like just rampant, demonization because like,
now this is just one section of the. Population it's

(01:13:38):
not a scientific. Study but WHEN i was On TikTok
AND i scrolled a, bunch there was a very very
common crossover between gay people and people with chronic. Illnesses
it's almost like there's even a desire to collect them
all to be as many struggle busses as you, can
as many demons as you can. Hear, yeah, yeah it
seems like they bring friends. All so the status is

(01:14:01):
it's never not the case, ful never not the case.
Fault i've been reading a book on the history of
cancer because at some point maybe want to do a
show on. That said the. Gaze, well it talks ABOUT,
aids and it talks about how like everyone's, like oh my,
gosh we're ravaged by this this, pandemic AND i just
have a lot of trouble because it's like you're you
you know that this is. Happening it's a gay. Lifestyle

(01:14:21):
stop doing butt sex and then you won't GET. Aids
stop acting, like oh my, gosh we need a, cure
like this is so awful that we're the, Victim like
just stop doing the butt. Sex, yeah and like you
won't have the judgment Of god upon you by THE.
Aids LIKE i know that that's going to make me
sound like one of those really like Rigid bible thumbers
of like you, know just the, judgment but like it's
the judgment Of. God like if you see people who

(01:14:42):
are doing this thing that goes against What god's word
and then they're getting this disease as a due punishment
for their sin and their. Bodies and The bible literally
talks about you, know given over to Like i'm, SORRY
i do math one plus one is. Two and In
africa where a lot of people are GETTING aids not
from not being for me stop raping. Women, yeah well

(01:15:02):
THERE'S i don't know exactly what how prolific it, was
but there was a period WHERE i don't, know it
might still be a. Thing men thought that the cure
TWO aids was sleeping with a bunch of. Virgins so
then you're, sick probably from doing bud, sex not gonna,
lie and then you make a bunch of innocent people sick. Too,
yeah so, yeah that is absolutely a demon lefs. Issue,

(01:15:27):
yes whose idea was it to sleep with a bunch of?
Virgins who do you think Wasn't God's remember when we
were all dope catch the mooky pucks by having the gay,
sex and the gays were like, elebao no good. Time
and the way that the gay sorry THE aids got

(01:15:48):
kind of discovered is that there's a specific kind of
like a skin. CANCER i forget it's. Called it's most
common In italian men and it usually as an older,
men it's usually pretty benign and it's just kind of
like a creeping. Thing and they were finding that and
a really rare form of pneumonia in these young, men
and it was, like this is a sign of like
a really like wiped down immune. System and then we

(01:16:08):
hear about the monkey pocks from this guy who's like
nose collapsed from, it and it was, like, oh also
turns out he had syphilis and also he was, Gay
and it was like it seems, like, uh you could
just not do those activities and avoid just a lot
of awful start and not just like this is completely.
Pragmatic this is a pragmatic, take not a moral, take

(01:16:29):
but like even within the context of being, gay you
could simply not be dumb about, it, Right like you
don't have to be a whore about. It use a,
condom ye use the kindom in one, Partner like you
don't have to be doing the gay sex bar with
five different people every. NIGHT i don't. KNOW i don't
hope that wasn't like a lot Of. YEAH i MEAN

(01:16:51):
i feel like if you're gonna be a whore of any,
sort you kind of just have to have really good
health insurance and get yourself checked. Out what's a month
and have A z pack? Regularly? Yeah? Uh and also
abstinately is? Okay what AM? I? Yes DID i say

(01:17:11):
the right thing WAS z? PACK i don't know what
A d pack, is SO i was just assuming you're. Correct,
oh it's a five day course of. Antimiotics oh, yeah, Okay,
YEAH i did not. KNOW i was. CORRECT i thought
it was a, cool fun dirugly kids are. Doing variable
five SAIDs not to get on my, soapbox but there's
a proven link between porn us and conversion to. Homosexuality, yeah.
Okay it is incredibly gay for a dude to be

(01:17:32):
watching a bunch of women and a dude with a giant. Dick,
Like i'm to be a, Crass like when you are
a man and you're watching, porn you are also watching
a naked man do, sex AND i feel like that's.
GAY i forget where it was. Going it is very,
detractive it, is and you you see. It you see,
it especially. Online the more porn guys are, doing the

(01:17:52):
more they hate, women and the more they have an
appetite for sex that can only be met by other
men and just qualities people that are actually only just
mainly qualities masculine. Clity. Yeah, yeah and but this is
it goes into the trans, stuff it goes into all,
men like so much of society's evils are rooted in.

(01:18:13):
Porn and this is gonna sound, Sexist it's, OKAY i
mean it to be. Sexist seems to me from What i've,
seen that women who turn trans to men are doing
so because they have been sexually abused by. Someone doesn't
have to be by, man could be a by a,
woman but they are trying to escape a. Womanhood and
it seems to be when men turn trans sometimes it's
because of sexual, abuse and most times it's because it's

(01:18:35):
a fetish and they are enjoying sexually abusing women by
turning Into. Traineese. YEAH i do think a lot of,
women even if they haven't been, abused are transitioning around
puberty because of just sheer discomfort of like the oncoming
sexuality that they're not, comfortable don't feel safe. Being and

(01:18:56):
it doesn't make it less. Evil oh, right, right she's
violent your body like, that you're punishing your body for
what someone else didto your. Body that doesn't make any,
sense but it also is a testament to white, like
it's not. So the trans people are, like, well we're
just talking to. Kids it's, like, well first of, all
you don't do these readings in old folks. Homes that's,
interesting that's worth. Noting and also you are targeting the

(01:19:17):
people who is most susceptible and vulnerable and most uncomfortable
in their. Bodies they least know who they fit in.
With and you're coming in being, like it's okay that
you're uncomfortable in your. Body you can fit in with
us who are also uncomfortable in our body but fixed
it by castrating. Ourselves and that could be an option
that you do. Too and that's WHY i find myself
conflicted BECAUSE i never really want to support a transperson.

(01:19:39):
Online but there are some trans PEOPLE i find On
instagram who are like this is not for, Kids like
this is like they're like the milk toast trans people
where they're, LIKE i do this AND i KNOW i
will always be the gender as born AS i just
want to like feel as much like this other gender
and knowing to do that to, Kids And i'm, LIKE
i still don't want to support, that because that's still
the first step in a slippery. Slope that's where we
were a few years, ago and there's quite the dramatic. Change.

(01:20:01):
Yeah in the, rbidity there's one transperson That i'm still
mutuals with On twitter because they're really milk toasts and
BECAUSE i have found conversations with that man yes to
be very, informative where SOMETIMES i will have like an
idea about something and he'll be, like, no that's not the.

(01:20:22):
Case i'm, LIKE i appreciate the, perspective like. IT i
don't agree with your life at, self but it is
nice to like have like a source of factual information
So i'm not just. Spitball because one of my ideas was,
like why are all these trainees so? Massive he was,
like OH i saw. That, yeah he was, like we're.
Not i'm like five. Twollo although that makeup, Person nikki

(01:20:47):
what's his face six,' four so that is a. MASSIVE person,
i mean there's definitely ones that, are massive but ONE
that i thought was Big Was, blair WHITE and i
just didn't realize how small the other people in the
room or. With, him yeah so it is hard if
you don't know your reference point. For. Size yeah, Oh
Yeah jeffrey star So major, Brooks, says okay why do

(01:21:08):
we keep saying basic Clips Of. Jeffrey Star jeffrey star
is an enigma wrapped inside, of sandwich wrapped inside a.
Few innuendos because he's like the most. Fruity person, uh
totally it calls. HIMSELF in i think he identifies. As,
androgynous yes he's very much like has mocked, trans people,
gay people like anything coming out of his mouth in

(01:21:30):
that context sounds like he's like a conservative except that he's.
Super FRUITY but i could never get around the fact
that he had a boyfriend who. WAS straight i don't
think that's how. That WORKS he i think that the
Key To jeffree star is that he's a, Shock jock
like he's always going to be saying stuff for for scandal.
And click he loves being, in scandals so he loves

(01:21:52):
being part of a world that loves him for being very, very,
queer yes and then saying thinks he's not allowed to
say and being transgressive against the world that he's in
by saying CONSERVATIVEY and i am confident enough in my
own femininity to, be, like okay but why is he prettier?
Than me that part's not fair. Like you still du
he's prettier. Than me we're moving on from that because

(01:22:15):
we don't need to dwell. On that so let's go
back to our list of verses and let's try to go.
THROUGH ever i had a feeling that this was going
to be a long, show too but it is Good
because i'm enjoying. This conversation please one, OF us i
will through your yarn. On screen she's knitting, Right now
i'll all. THROUGH it i. LIKE that i think, our
mom when she listens to, the podcast only listens. To

(01:22:38):
THEM so i THINK that i can, safely say watch
this be the one that she wants is the only
one she's Ever wont mom listening closely to the DETAILS
as i. Describe them she. Is, knitting stop don't don't
say for. Didgerie, Doo no Mom knows i'm knitting. Her
sock she doesn't know, what color but. IT is i
almost spoil the color by saying something she doesn't know

(01:22:59):
that the color. Is puce, but, YES yes i do.
Like that it's a. Very subtle, yeah, situation shituish just
get it. Away Again, uh, so anyway let's go back
to our list Of lass when you can get. THOSE
vers i picked a heck of a time to step

(01:23:21):
out of the room for. A minute you should know
what you did much better than to do that at.
This point so there's there's a few things that you
should never turn your. Back On, weeping angels, mountain, lions,
tigers bears, oh my And Then abbion liz in a
room TOGETHER because i Just realized i'm wearing the SAME
shirt i was wearing. Last, WEEK yeah i grabbed THIS

(01:23:43):
because i totally just needed to grab something RANDOM because
i had to wear a polo for work because we
just did like a whole thing for work where we
have to have like the brand, on IT and i
didn't want to like ADVERTISE where. I work i'll just throw.
This on BUT then I realized i, WAS here i
should have grabbed a. Different one and now it LOOKS
like i just only wear the same shirt all day.
Every day and the More defensive i'm getting, about this
the more it Seems like i'm just covering for the
FACT that i DO and i never own, one shirt

(01:24:06):
never wear any. Other shirts my emotional. Support shirt my
Shirt is. John's shirt it's The New. Bucky, yay yeah
you guys got to. Go there To The, promised LAND
and i. Haven't yet it's only like an hour and
a half away. From, HERE yeah i just heard about
it the other day AND then i heard, about you
SO like i haven't even had had a chance. To,
process also we had such a. Good time, I'm glad Varibel,

(01:24:29):
SAYS abby i will pay you to knit a straight Jacket,
for litz name your price And thesus liss's one. Shirt
CONFIRMED so i want, to say like six or seven,
YEARS ago i spent a concerning amount of time watching
tutorial videos on how to get out of a, straight jacket. Can,
CONFIRM yeah i don't, know why but it just felt
Like if i'm ever, in one it would be really
handy to know how to get out. Of one NOT

(01:24:49):
because i expected to be, in one to be very clear, on, that,
sure SURE but i just like to up, my. Sleep,
Right yeah so like the whole trick of like how
to get out of, duct tape how to get out
of zip ties which does actually work And. Sorry chaka, so,
yeah anyway, moving on let's go back before we were two.
Off track let's go back to our list of versus if,
you if if it's so pleased at the clicker if

(01:25:10):
it please at, the court does not please, the court
is it? In tight so, let's, See Okay so luke eleven,
twenty four when the unclean spirit has gone out of
a person and passes through waterless places seeking rest and,
finding that, IT says i will return to my house
from which. It came so that's just another instance of
that in a. Different gospel and then, so, yeah yeah

(01:25:32):
and then we're out Of The. New testament we will
get back to some more. Demonic stuff in interesting no
References in john to. Unclean spirit does it exclusively Say demon,
It might, SO yeah i have a separate list we're
going to, GET to i think next, on demons where
we might see some, references there because it would seem
like there has to be some way that. The, reference
yeah it's a. Good Point so acts. Five sixteen the

(01:25:53):
people also gathered from the Towns, around jerusalem bringing the
sick and those afflicted with, unclean spirits and they were.
All healed now this is exclusive the apostles doing this
Now because jesus has been ascended up to HEAVEN and
x eighty seven for unclean spirits, crying out the loud
voice came out of many who, had them and many
who were paralyzed or lame were healed again those like the.
Same breath and it might be again like the two.

(01:26:14):
Big things but it also when things, are connected is
it because? They're connected is it that some of these
things if it wasn't caused by, an injury if it
just kind of happened To you revelations. Sixteen thirteen it's a.
Sudden JUMP and i saw coming out of the mouth of,
the dragon and out of the mouth of, the beast
and out of the mouth of the, false prophet three

(01:26:35):
unclean spirits. Like frogs frogs are of, the devil Is
what i'm? Getting, here yeah, but actually, so okay this
is me putting on my Poor ass jesus or exegesis
Actually as jesus. Of revelation is this talking about all
the pepe? Or, peep yeah the frog definitely the groper
PLAGUE because I but i THINK like i joke. About

(01:26:57):
that but to a, certain degree, it's like is there
a truth in the thing of like the reason they
have gone to this? Frog army and it's like the
reference to the plague if there is like a subtle
uh inside joke that the demons behind it have well
little wing wink you have like the frog God, In
egypt egypt right famously. Like enslaved. It's, Real yeah and

(01:27:18):
then you start to, be like How many i'm just
asking questions. About frogs i'm just, asking questions just like to.
BE clear i do like the frog meme when it's
divorced from the. Evil people evil people co. Opted IT
and i don't think frogs themselves. ARE evil i think.
THEY'RE cute i have not KISSED any i did kiss
a slug, one time but that is neither here. Nor
there not even brought.

Speaker 3 (01:27:37):
It up it's.

Speaker 1 (01:27:41):
Totally unforced. CONFESSION there i thought we agreed that was
something that we would never. Bring up. I'm wow and
he called it with a. Mighty. Voice fallen Fallen is babylon.
The grate she has become a dwelling place for, a
demons hunt for every, unclean spirit a hunt for every,
unclean bird hunt for every unclean and. Detestable beast now

(01:28:03):
there is a way in Which the bible will repeat
the same thing a couple times. For EMPHASIS but i
wonder if this is not. A case but that's happening
because it says demons, unclean spirits, unclean birds unclean. Intestible
beasts it's a list of, different things and the other things.
Are repeated it does seem to be a list of.
Different things so this is One where i'd, Be, like
okay we do have a distinction between demon and. Unclean

(01:28:23):
spirit potentially does it go back to the there are the,
foreign gods, fallen angels, et cetera whatever, those are and
then there are evil people ghosts who are in torment
and still in their bodies. Affecting PEOPLE although i just,
work HERE but i do. THINK question i am going
to take a single verse that gives me a bit
of hope and then jump. On it i'm. JUST kidding

(01:28:44):
i proof, text it. Text it it's one of those
things WHERE like i like having an open mind. TO
it i enjoy the possibility of a big, a thing
but it isn't A hill i need to. Die on
and if if this is the only verse that gives
any strong strength of, That opinion i'm going to be
quick to throw, it out because, you know, one verse out,
of context can be made to say something that it does. Not.
Mean uh one one WONDERING that i might have is

(01:29:09):
is it possible that unclean spirit versus demon might be
the difference between something that is caused a little bit
more physically and something that's caused a little bit. More
spiritually as, an example if you were to SIT and
i don't actually mean, this example but if you were,
to say there is a physical seizure and there is a,

(01:29:33):
spiritual seizure and one of them would be, the demon
and one of them would be the unclean spirit the
symptom versus. The, cause MAYBE but I don't i don't
necessarily mean that example, AS like i actually think that
there's two different types. Of, seizures well it's like when
YOU say HIV, AND aids aids is the phenomenon CAUSED? By, hiv,
hmm okay so, to speak what is the difference between birds?

(01:29:56):
And beasts they were created on, different days but They're
still then that's the. Wrong, explanation no they're created on,
different days but they're both. Still animals they're both very
like birds and beasts are very similar categories, of, Things
right so it's interesting that it's listed. Like, THAT yeah
i think it's creatures of the ground and creatures of. The,
AIR yeah i think those are the broad categories that are.
Being to so maybe demons and unclean spirits have like

(01:30:17):
a different realm that they are demons or kind of
air unclean spirits of. The ground but it does also
seem Like The new testament uses a demon and unclean spirit.
Position interchangeably it does seem like. It, does however we
might be seeing something as interchangeable because they both do. Similar,
things yeah and they could just like, you said one

(01:30:38):
of them originates from the sea and one of them
originates from the, wilderness. Places right and also it could
be a case Of like i'm going to get this
Backwards Because. I'm, justslexi conceptually all dwarfs, are midgets but
not all midgets of dwarfs of a. Different things so
trying to think of one that makes. More sense you
can have a group of something and another. So group

(01:31:00):
so all of the subgroup is of the, big group
but not all of the big group is of. The
subgroup all demons are, unclean spirits but not all unclean spirits,
of demons correct potentially or the other. Way, around yes
and in, variable says maybe It's a. Van diagram that's
also a possibility of not just like, a subgroup but
like An intersection maje your books as the demon compelled

(01:31:21):
that Slug Fact turettes tourettes made you confess it must
have been the wind. Is whatever that trend is so
like it's Like. When jesus it's Like when jesus comes
into the president of demon person and then they're just

(01:31:41):
compelled To Be i'm jesus in, this situation and you
were compelled to confess your. Slug kissing i'm trying. TO
remember i read some book or it was like someone. Took,
this uh either they ted a truth potion or they
were around something that just makes you tell the truth
and they just like, WERE like i like where. WOMEN'S
underware i FEEL like i should, confess something but nothing's coming.

(01:32:04):
To mouh so. Let's go There's Two bible hub REFERENCES
that i have linked NEXT because i wanted to break
down what was being said when it says. Unclean spirit
so that first one is. A cathartos i'm going to
pronounce all, this wrong so let's do the. Second, one Sorry,

(01:32:26):
Not numa. It's yeah so a cathartas was translated as unclean,
or impure and it can mean ceremonially or. Moral, elude
specifically it can, mean, demonic. Foul unclean that's where we
get unclean and. Unclean spirit spirit, is numa which means spirit,
when breath and it is translated to refer to things

(01:32:47):
Like The holy spirit and the poor. In spirit he
cast out the spirits with, a word and just like
any any time spirit. Is used so spirit is inherently.
Not evil so that's why we have the other word
to describe it. AS evil i wonder if the distinction
this would Just be my theory is that an unclean

(01:33:10):
spirit is something that does not have. A body if
you cast, it out it's going to go wandering around
in the wilderness because it does not have any word,
of rest and men might have a body that. It
has demon would be the thing that is behind an
idol that the demon. May, BEE well i was going
to sometimes show up in the body of like a. False,

(01:33:31):
god well because like the angels can appear in some
some sort of, physical form and it does seem like
they can interact with you physically and also potentially eat
food and so there's but That's not they're not just
going into. Someone's body it doesn't seem the text doesn't.
Say that so the unclean spirits of. The departed the
are the departed nephelin who don't have who have. No,

(01:33:54):
body yeah but the demons are some, other entity whether
it's fallen angel or. Just. Right yeah it makes. Me
wonder it does seem like there's enough of a kind
of a distinction, because again the word spirit here it
seems like a broad, umbrella term or you could take
it as this only refers, TO well i was gonna
say it only revers, to humans but reverse With The.

(01:34:15):
Holy SPIRIT so i think It's, like elohim where it's
a That's the hebrew word where it can Refer, to
god it can refer to in some, cases humans but
it usually refers to just something that is in the
spirit realm that. Just. Is yeah so some sort of
trying to think of a modern day corollary to that
where it's Just like, I'm no i'm not thinking of,

(01:34:38):
something good so insert clover afterthought. AND post i think
there's a lot of times when there's a category that
has a lot of things in it where you, could
say you could say, fast food and maybe ninety percent
of the time when you say fast food you. Mean
McDonald's but or even there. Are people maybe the better

(01:35:00):
way to say, it is there are people WHO say
i want to go have. A coke, oh, yes okay Starry.
Going yeah but what? They what they don't necessarily mean
they want. Coke coke they might want just any, soda
pop but there. At, coda yeah there are some categorical things.
There were language is funny like that that threw me

(01:35:22):
off so MUCH when i was Working for Chick. Fil
a the first time, It happened, someone's, like YEAH can
i get? A COKE so i rang them up for
a coke and they didn't want to COKE and i, was,
like okay there is a word for soda that does.
Not coke it, is soda and if you want coke
that is a. SPECIFIC thing i feel like this is
where WE just i also spent a long. Time wondering
so this woman came through the drive through and she,

(01:35:43):
was LIKE can i get? It CREAMY and i, WAS
like i beg, your pardon. EXCUSE me i know we
are a second, mile service but maybe not that Second
mile and, she's, like, Yeah CREAMY and i, was like
could you describe that to me in a sentence with
maybe like an? Interpretive dance and it was an. Ice
cream she wanted an, ice CREAM and i, was, like
okay so there's a word for ice cream which you could,
have used and it is. Ice cream but there is
a product Called a ninja creamy that makes ice cream

(01:36:04):
and people call it. Their CREAMY so i think she was, just, like,
OH yeah i want, a creamy like referring to like
what she makes With her. Ninja CREAMY but i do
feel a little bit violated still by. That conversation so. Weird,
Yep also chat is Talking about SHREK and i Heard
in shrek four they're divorced or something. Like that they're not.
MARRIED anymore i haven't researched This because, i'm like why

(01:36:26):
would you do this? TO People. I okay one of
my biggest beefs with The New New star, wars films
the new trilogy is that they have a love story
that was Super awesome yea with what's Her face Leah And,
han solo and, they're like you don't even get to
enjoy it because it just kind of starts at the
end of the last one and, then boom by the
time you get to, this one they have this whole.
Awful history they're not. Together anymore they have a son

(01:36:49):
who like kills the, father SPOILERS and i just don't
understand why you would do that storytelling whise that is
just really Uh egregious and as, A writer i Deeply
fund i'm looking this up feeling you were. Doing that
this is the reason why brought, it up because it's
too lazy to google. It myself this Is. From medium
shrek is filing for divorce from wife of. Fourteen, years

(01:37:09):
no this is. From what this is from. Twenty, eighteen
well there Is a shrek FOUR and i didn't say it.
Was NEW maybe i did. SAY that i meant just
like Someone referenced shrek Four where fiona is not Married to,
trek ANYMORE and i, WAS like i beg your finest.
PARDON what i am. REALLY confused i have not watched

(01:37:29):
Past The. Third trek That The third trek. WAS rough
i have not. Even rewatched this might be just make
medium as. A, TIME yeah I wouldn't Shrek for. Shrek, divorced,
ummmm okay they don't divorce and, Ever after so this was.
FAKE news i just have a lot. Of questions try

(01:37:51):
to divorce? Imagine wiki what, a ummmmmm it's this Is
cheh if anyone knows the is this? QUESTION now i
think this is. Just answered, satter says calling every sod
of coke is A very Southern thing, texas specifically but
it's mostly. Older, PEOPLE yes i want to be very.

(01:38:12):
Clear HERE when i said the stuff, ABOUT coke i
meant it as a hate Crime against. Southern, people yeah
maybe even Specifically against texans and just whoever's gonna be.
Most offended so variable five has a five dollars. Rumble
rant i'm Formally protesting. Shrek, DISCUSSIONS honestly i agree about.
ON topic i never Really. Liked shrek there's always something

(01:38:34):
that grows. Me out there, was, yeah well also a
fun fact and then we will get Out. Of shrek
it was initially voiced by a. DIFFERENT guy i. Forget
who that is important to. The discussion they did like
most of, the movie and then it just it didn't
work out or they're like this. Isn't right and then
this other dude came In With michael myers, or whatever
and he Did the scottish accent and they, were, like yeah.
That's it so, there exists in some degree another strike

(01:38:55):
with a. Different voice so let's go to that list
of references. For demons in, this case we are here six,
year results let's try to fly through them because we
are funding Out, of YEAH and i was going to
Talk about catholic extorsism, and stuff BUT maybe i need
to just sandwich that into another Episode About annalise michelle, or,
YEAH again i think it would be fun to do

(01:39:17):
an episode on fun is probably the, wrong word, but
yes informative to do an episode on her and then
kind of broaden it out in the back third to
a Discussion of catholic exorcism. In general and THE reason
i had it in my notes was because it does
show the development Of the church's doctrine, toward DEMONS which
i think. Is interesting, BUT yeah I think i could

(01:39:38):
segue into An analyst. Michelle one so let's thanks just
do a. Part four we could do a. Part, four
honestly in, the, chat guys be honest if you want to, Part,
four yes if you don't want to, PART four i
will not. Be offended and then, Mid year brook says
five dollar, RUMBLE rant i. Need answers are? They? Divorced
yeah WHY did i introduce the? MOST pressure i could
not find anything that what didn't seem to be just

(01:40:00):
a really dumb fam thick so trying to say they.
Were deformed i'm wondering IF what i saw, was that
because it was, someone saying Like in struck Four when
fiona was no longer married, To HIM so i wonder
if that's LIKE a i might have stumbled onto a
corner Of the internet that it was not my business
being on that, is maybe or maybe like there was
like a weird like blip in their relationship in one of.
The shreks but it's possible there were too, many shrucks

(01:40:23):
there were, any, Shrucks uh matthew four. Twenty four so
his Fame being jesus' spread Throughout, all syria and they
brought him all the sick that was afflicted with various
diseases and pains that was oppressed, by demons those having seizures,
and paralytics and he. Healed them so this is the
same context as we see the, unclean spirits the same
blumping together of all the different big things That happen

(01:40:46):
matthew seven. Twenty two on, that day many will say,
To Me, lord lord did we not prophesy in your
name and cast out demons in, your name and too
many mighty works in. Your name so this is interesting
because there is biblical precedent for even the Name of
jesus has so much power that even if you do Not,
follow jesus you might still be able to cast out
demons in. His name we do have the case With
The seven Sons of skiva IN acts i think it

(01:41:06):
acts where they, say yeah where they try to cast
out demons in the Name of paul Who follows jesus
or something, like that and the demons, are, like well
We know jesus and We, know paul who frick? Are
you and then they beat. Them up so there's an
extent to wish. By proxy, it works but not. That
far matthew eight sixteen that evening they brought to him
many who are possessed, by demons and he cast out
the spirits with a word and healed all who. Were

(01:41:27):
sick so. Another similarity if demons and uncleaned spirits, are
different they both possess and they're. Both, spirits right this
is a direct equation of demons. And spirits. There's yeah
so although so we. Hear, up ACTUALLY maybe i misread
that because it, says oppressed. NOT possessed i did. Misread
that so there's. A case i've talked about this before

(01:41:49):
where you can see a word or phrase a thing
and front load your meaning. Onto IT and i have
always taken possessed as meaning in dwelt by but possessed
is not the same word As. IN dwelt i possess.
This mouse i'm not in. Dwelling it as Far as,
I'M aware i can theoretically possess, another person LIKE if

(01:42:10):
i had. A kid you CAN say, I like i
possess a child if you're kind of weird with, Your
Language but i'm not in dwelling. The child but there
is a certain degree of control you have. Over it like,
this thing, this mouse everything it does Is because i'm
doing the thing. With it it doesn't have a will of.
Its own the will that controls it. As Mine but
i'm not, in IT but i am. Possessing it some
Could say i'm oppressing It because i'm not being very
nice to it. Right NOW so i. Don't know we

(01:42:33):
kind of quibble over, the SEMANTICS and i don't know
where the line is of someone Being. In dwelt if
some of these understandings we have nowadays are the same
understanding that these people had, back then or if it's a,
little different Or if i'm just kind of like splitting.
A hair i have a vague memory About, the greek particularly,

(01:42:58):
around LEGION and i can't remember what. IT was i
was trying to, google it, but well wasn't legion just
like the word used for military like? A, cohort no,
but no not specifically in the. Name legion, but oh
like the prepositions around the casting out of. The demons
i'm looking into more because this is Again like I'm
still i've spent so much time on this and it's
still kind of just a primery to the entry to
the entry of. The discussion this is all of my

(01:43:20):
shows are just like for. Further research you can look
into these things if you. Would, like Yeah SO matthew,
a twenty can you just Go because jesus says come
out of that. Is true you do make some. Good
points they go into. The pigs but that is An
interesting it is an interesting thing to. THINK about i
wonder if it is, a spectrum if there's A continue i,

(01:43:41):
should say where there's oppression and then there's, you know
the more of the conversation happening more of the, doorway
opening breaking down of the will, over time because the
sin is a slow fade and a lot of things
you don't go. Straight, From wow i'm just a Happy
little christian. Girl, TOO yeah i stabbed five, Men, yesterday
right there's a bit of a the process that gets
you there from the demons like, around you to, on

(01:44:03):
you to. In. You Yeah so matthew eight, twenty eight
and when he came to the other side of the
country of, the gatherings same as. The garrisons it's a.
Translation thing, oh no this might. Be different in, this
case two demon possessed men met him coming out of,
the tombs so fierce that no one could pass. That
way that, Is okay so IT is i think the.
Same account but this is something that the gospels will

(01:44:25):
do where people will say this is they're contradicting. Each
other and what happens is one writer wants to hone
in on a specific detail and the other one gives the.
Broader view so it isn't untrue To say jesus cast
out the demons from this. One man he's not listening
to the other guy because it's not important to what
he's trying to. Point Out. About jesus but this other

(01:44:45):
account gives actually there were two so and when he
came to the other side of the country of, the
gatherings two demon possessed men, met him coming out of,
the tombs so fierce that no one could pass. That way,
and behold they, cried out what have you to do?
With us as Own? Of god have you come here
to torment us before? The time now a heard of
many so before. The time it's interesting because they know
that there is and this is echoed. By others they
know that there's a time. Of rejudgment they also know

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it's not they agreed. Upon Time is jesus in breach?
Of contract now heard of many pigs is feeding at
some distance. From them and the demons, begged, him saying
if you cast, us out send us away into the herd.
Of pigs and he said to. Them go so they
came out and went into, the pigs, and behold the
whole herd rushed down the steep bank into the sea
and drowned in. The waters her has. Been fled and
going into. The city that they going into, the city they,

(01:45:28):
told everything especially what had happened to the demon, possessed men,
and behold all the city came out To, meet jesus
and when they, saw him they begged him to leave.
Their region it is, interesting TOO because i Think the
mark passage hones In on legion because that's the guy
who gets the, most Information and jesus doesn't ask the
other man what his name is it is it seems

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to me that that's that's the person that's the one
of the two that he interacted with, the most probably
had the most demons and him so it was the
most significant one to talk about if you're going to
talk about. Only, one Also the mark one we didn't
read to the end, of it which because for a
time In the, mark one the guy Who, was legion
he begs to Go with jesus back across the lake

(01:46:08):
to Go, with Ministry and, jesus, says no go out
and tell all these people what happened. To, YOU now
i can't say for sure, either way but going to,
another account there's the ten lepers who call Out to
jesus Like the lord of Mercy, on Us and, jesus
says go out to the temple to present yourself, as
clean and as they're going. They're healed and the one

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Who's a samaritan is the only one who turns back and. Thank,
you yes it does seem like there's with the One
that mark focuses on a stronger relationship between That. And
jesus this one. Doesn't, clarify okay that. Second person did
He follow jesus? After this did he go right back to?
The tombs we. Don't know we don't have. Any, info,

(01:46:51):
Well yeah i'm probably not back to, the tombs but
it's unclear if, he, LIKE yeah i interesting here that
we're talking about the very same person and one account
says unclean spirit and one accounts. Says, demon yes so
there's at least cross, there might like, you said. Like

(01:47:12):
both it might not be one hundred percent crossover between
what unclean spirits are and what, demons are but at
least in this case it, was yeah both a demon
and an, unclean SPIRIT because, i mean he was possessed
by a lot. Of things and it also could be
this IS something i don't love this explanation as much
or just kind of throwing it out there framed in
the understanding of the people of the day where they

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called it demon and, unclean spirit and it doesn't really matter,
what specifically the distinction is but there is, WHAT well
i don't as Much because god does know and he could.
TELL us i would lean more on because Like the
bible's not going to tell us something that's not, true
exactly lean. More on this is a case where you
ordered coke and you actually. Wanted, coke, yes, like yeah.

(01:47:55):
You act sometimes there's some divergence between, the two but
in this particular case. They're equivalent so you failed in the,
right direction or it's failed successfully because the wrong math
got the. Right answer we're not gonna worry. About it
so let's go back to that list of references if
you could scroll, past this because this is let's go

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To the matthew nine Thirty two matthew nineteen. Thirty two
and they were as they were, going away behold a
demon oppressed man who was mute was brought to. Him
again so we have mutism and a man a bunch
of that yeah and making his, voice yeah, oh no. You're.
Good well and it also seems like even when the people,
are speaking it's the, demon speaking so it's not just making,
them mute it's also overwriting them THIS and i think

(01:48:39):
that that is one of the hugest things of trying
to think of the. Right word an act of Violence against,
god himself to take over the will of someone Made in,
god's image to try to rewrite them in your, own
image essentially to crush. Their will that's just like a.
Huge BREACH and i think the, idea too, was LIKE
if i can take, his voice he can't cry Out. To,
jesus YEAH and I think god gives you the ability

(01:49:01):
to cry out no matter how far an. You are,
so like if you if there is anyone in this
today who was just absolutely deeply oppressed and possessed, by
demons and there was a party who wants to Crab,
TO god i urge you to Crab to god because
he will hear you and he will. Free you, so
yeah this actually gives us thirty two to thirty four.
Sets perfect so as they were, going away behold a
demon oppressed man who was mute was brought. To him
and when the demon had been, cast out the mute,

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man spoke and the, crowd's, marveled saying never was anything
like this Scene. In israel But the, pharisee said he
cast up demons By the prince. Of demons so it
goes from the cross, being, like Oh the pharisees, Were,
jealous YEAH because I think i had never seen such
A successful this guy. Has, authority yeah like we Saw,
the pharisees but this guy is the. Real deal and they,
were like well he has to. Do it, but yeah
they're like little butt. Turts Anyway, matthew tannate he'll, the

(01:49:47):
sick raise, the dead, cleansed lepers cast, up demons you received,
without pay and give it Up pay matthew eleven Eighteen
for john came neither eating, nor drinking and they say
he has. A demon the whole passage, of like it's
kind of like damed if you do if, You don't
Like the pharisees just accused everyone of being. Demon possessed
that is an interesting he has a demon as opposed
to a demon has him and kind of a reversal. Language, there,

(01:50:10):
yeah yeah well it's it's Kind of darvaux, deny avenge reverse.
VIOLENT oppression i don't actually remember what it, stands for
but the idea of like you're flipping, it back you're
the thing that, you're doing you're accusing the other person,
of doing which was like what happens when You're Playing.
Secret hitler matthew twelve is such a. Fun game we

(01:50:32):
played that. Last NIGHT so i don't know if actually
if you're privy, to This but monkey, started this but
a bunch of Us on. TUESDAY nights i know it's
not a great night for you have done game nights
in video chat where we just played Like jack, Bucks
games We've Done, Secret hitler WE'VE done i forget the
other game. Code, Names anyway. MATTHEW twelfth i was, gonna
say you guys are all welcome, to join BUT then i.
Got distracted matthew twelve. Twenty two then a demon oppressed

(01:50:55):
man who was blind and mute was brought to him
and he healed him so that the man spoke. And
saw so that's INTERESTING because i would have thought that along,
that spectrum having the demon take over your eyes and
your vocal cords would have been full. On possession but
it just as. Oppressed here so what does? That, mean
well and it might be that when it comes down,

(01:51:15):
to it that is actually there isn't, a, difference hmmm
or like we're, not understanding like this is. A secret
third bit, OF information i say secret secret, TO me
i don't, know it but a bit of context explains. What's,
HAPPENING sure i would be curious to know what that original.
Language is that's worth looking to. Another TIME but, i,
DO yeah i do think. It's interesting this guy has

(01:51:36):
no ability to. Cry out he's if anyone, is lost
and entirely lost causes. This guy he's Not because god Heals,
him matthew twelve. Twenty four but When the pharisees, heard
it they said it it's Only by bail's, the bowl
the prince of demons that this man cast. Out demons
so they are so, hard CORDIALOUS because i bet you
they could not even begin to try to look, like,
they're yeah exercising This, guy matthew twelve. Twenty seven AND

(01:51:58):
if i cast out Demons by bail's, a bowl by
whom do your sons cast? Them out therefore they will be.
Your judges i'm curious about the they is that they
referring to the demons or. THE sons i would. Assume,
SONS yeah, i was because like it's almost like their.
Behavior judges you exactly, Your sons and we know your
sons use demons because they Don't. Use god so they're

(01:52:19):
going to judge you by the measures that, YOU know i. Don't,
know Yeah in matthew twelve. Twenty eight but if it
is by the Spirit of god that it cast out
demons And the Kingdom of god has, come upon that
must have been such a chilling thing, to hear because
if the demons are So, against jesus they are Against
the Kingdom, of god and all the demons are hearing it. Is,
Here yeah and we talked, ABOUT this i forget, which

(01:52:41):
episode but basically the idea of they're already not there
yet at the kingdom it finally made sense to me
more than it did already of a, mustard seed Because the,
bible Compares or, jesus Compares the Kingdom of heaven to
mustard seed that grows and starts at, really small but
it grows into a. Towering tree So when, jesus arrived
the seed was planted and already it. Was unstoppable it was,

(01:53:02):
Upon them but it takes a while for the tree,
to grow and we're still waiting for him to. Come
back at the completion of the Tree growing matthew fifteen,
twenty two, and Behold a cannonite woman from that region
came out and, was crying have mercy, on Me, a
lord Son, of david my daughter is severely oppressed by.
A demon it almost seems like in these accounts there's
one version that calls it an, unclean spirit and then
the other gospel that talks about it calls it. A,

(01:53:23):
demon YEAH which i think gives us. Some, CLARITY yeah
i think that does make it seem like they were
kind of the same thing or just very. Much overlap
variable five says do not clip is saying she was
murdered by. Five men i'm honestly supplied she murdered. Five, afternoon,
yes no you said you you, murdered five not was murdered. By.
FIVE darvo i may. Have misspoken i'm. On purpose, We,

(01:53:47):
leticious kay let's. Go on matthew seventeen Eighteen and jesus
repeak to the demon and it came out of him
and the boy was. Healed instantly. Mark two that evening
at sundown they brought to him all who were sick
or oppressed. By demons so there's an. Ore, there, Yeah
yea so those are two. Different, CATEGORIES also i don't
know if this this might be like looking to mention,
to IT but i FEEL like i would be most
afraid around a demon possessed person, At, sundown YES because

(01:54:09):
i feel like, that's yeah we have this innate understanding
that evil things are more powerful in, the dark and
the bubble makes a big deal, about, like yeah wickedness
is active in the dark and fears, the light which
is specifically talking about the Light. Of god but there is.
A correlator there's a reason why, That's, Used yeah, Mark
one pint. Thirty four and he healed many were sick
with various diseases and cast out. Many demons and he

(01:54:30):
would not permit the demons to speak because they, Knew
him so it gives the reason why he wouldn't let.
Them speak but it is interesting that he doesn't let
them speak on A principle mark word. Thirty nine and
he went Throughout all galley preaching and their synagogues and
casting Out demons mark. Three fifteen and have authority to cast.
Out demons THIS was i think when he was giving

(01:54:51):
the authority to The disciples mark three. Twenty two and
the scribes who Came from jerusalem were saying he is
Possessed by bilsible and by the prince. Of demons he cast,
Out demons SO they've i think double down or this
just like the same thing re kinded a couple, Of
times mark. Five fifteen and then then they and they
Came to jesus and saw the demon, possessed man the
one who had had, the legions sitting their clothes and
in his, right mind and they. Were afraid so actually
that same account calls them. Unclean spirits yeah that's what we. Were, saying,

(01:55:14):
yeah yeah you were, SAYING that i had my, Brain
agreed but then like was kind. Of, behind well we
do have evidence that one of the two was Sitting. With,
jesus yes this is the one who. Was legion so
this is the this Is the, mark account and that's
one where it only references. The, one yeah but, of
yes the idea would Be that jesus cast out of

(01:55:36):
two men but only. One, city yeah that's a. Good
point so let's actually skip past this because it's the.
SAME account i don't want to like waste too much
of our. Time left we are going to Run late mark.
Six thirteen and they cast up many demons and anointed
with oil many who, were sick and. Healed, Them uh

(01:55:57):
mark seven. Twenty six now the woman was, a Gentile
a sarah, my birth and she begged him to cast
the demon out of, Her daughter mark seven. Twenty nine
and he said, to her for, this statement you may go.
Your way the demon has left. Your daughter so one
another EQUATION of i think at this point it's safe
to say they're in in practice the. Same thing even
if there is, any difference it's not. Functionally different mark at.

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Thirty eight john said, to, him teacher we saw someone
casting out demons in, your name and we tried to
stop him because he was not. Following Us and jesus,
is like anyone who's for me is, for me and
anyone who's, he's like if he's casting out demons of,
my name he's. For me, AND also i Think the
disciples are so funny because they're kind of like they
think a lot. Of themselves they also don't know, a

(01:56:38):
lot and they're kind of like they want this to
be a special thing that's like. THEIR authority, i THINK
so i think they kind of, felt, like Like, but
jesus you gave us, the authority and then he's, using
it and like, Tell him so that's interesting that this
other person is able to just kind of he wasn't
directly given, the authority but he saw them doing it
and he had faith and he started. Doing. IT yeah

(01:56:59):
i think also because you could try, to, argue well,
you know people Will, Say, lord lord and we'll do
Things in, Jesus's NAME and I think i don't necessarily
Know if jesus is saying this person who is doing
this is. Clearly saved, but like if he is doing
things in my name that like hurt the demons and
put forward, the kingdom even if he isn't Necessarily following
god in, his heart he is helping the. Kingdom along

(01:57:21):
he is effectively acting on. My. SIDE right i do
think it's interesting that they say he was not, following
us like they don't say he was not. Following. You,
Yeah YEAH and i think that's where humans get so so,
mixed up and it happens so often and. So subtly,
of like you're not making disciples, of yourself you're making Disciples. Of,
jesus yeah when you go in the world Like disciples mark, sixteen,

(01:57:44):
nineteen sorry. Sixteen nine some of the earliest manuscripts do
not include nine. To twenty now when he rose early
on the first day of, the week he appeared First To,
mary magdalene from whom he had cast as. Even, demons
yeah this is a lot of. Uh Debate So, mary
magdalene everyone talks really confidently that she was a prostitute
and when she was possessed by. Seven demons we don't
even know for sure if this, is true but the
prostitute thing is actually known to be. Made up there

(01:58:07):
was one pope who. SAID it i forget who. IT
was i think early ish, or on like maybe, five
HUNDRED and i. FORGET why i think it was even
motivated for, some reason and then it kind of just
got accepted and tell another more RECENT pope i want,
to see like the eighteen hundreds, was, like no actually
she wasn't. A prostitute yet that's not. The case so
all we Know Is mary magdalene was forgiven greatly because

(01:58:29):
that is said in something that is known to. Be
scripture and it is possible that this is, not scripture
but it's added on because people did know the contexts
at the time and that she really had been saved from.
Seven DEMONS so i think it's fair to, be like
maybe that's. The case mark, sixteen seventeen and these signs
will accompany those who believe in, my name they will cast,
out demons they will speak in. New tongues this again

(01:58:51):
is part of Where so mark ends, really abruptly and
then there's out last bit where the question is did
subscribe be like this. Ends weirdly i'm going to make it,
end Better and i'm gonna include things that really do
our that are reflected in other parts of the like
really well. Known, tradition yeah there's nothing in it that.
Contradicts SCRIPTURE so i can see where MAYBE someone, I

(01:59:12):
think i think it's the wrong thing, to do if
this is, what happened but someone, was, like NO but,
I can i can make. THIS work i can edit
this a, little, Better right, AND uh i don't think
you should, Do that luke four. Thirty three and Then the
segnagogue there was a man who had the spirit of an,
unclean demon and he cried out with a. Loud voice
so this is not just, a demon but an. Unclean
demon where he said in the other version. Unclean, Spirit

(01:59:35):
huh so. That's interesting can you scroll, A bit we're
gonna skip through the rest of. Those references, you're, Good
uh luke seven. Thirty Three for John the baptist, has
come eating a bread and drinking. Of wine and you
say he has. A demon look at two and also
some women who had been healed of evil spirits And
infirmities Mary, called magdalene from whom seven demons had. Gone, out,
oh actually so that is In. The, Bible okay so
take BACK what i said. About that the prostitute thing is.

(01:59:56):
STILL true i know that if you don't have to blidmit.
This point, But, yeah luke eight, twenty Seven when jesus
had stepped out, on land there met him a man
from the city who had demons for a. Long time
he had worn of the. Same, one yeah and he
had not lived in a hosband among. The teams and
this is another gospel word just includes. The ONE so
i think the other one must just include the second
one because. It happened but this is this guy is

(02:00:18):
the only one Who followed. Jesus, afterward uh let's go
on the. Next, page, Yes, interesting luke because this one
doesn't say, it's no it does. Say, LEGION yeah. I.
Needium okay, at first in verse, twenty nine it sounded
like it was only, one demon but probably, the head
the head of the group that was. In, there, yeah,

(02:00:40):
YEAH yeah, I see i see where you. Saw that.
Yeah yeah and it could be that there's some some
fluidity in the conception of a demon if they don't
have the same distinction of identity to where one demon
and multiple demons are as distinct as you. Might think
but sure the borg sure like. A collective you could
refer to it with. Singular, protects yeah kind of all
hive mind potentially if you could scroll down a. Bit

(02:01:02):
more we're just gonna skip the rest of this passage
unless you want to dwell. On it and then we've
Got so luke again covers that passage of the disciples being.
Given authority the kid who has the convulsions the Ninety nine, John,
answered master we saw someone casting out demons in, your
name and we try to stop him because he does not.
Follow us just still, with us follow this one says fallow.

(02:01:26):
With us but it is INTERESTING because i initially took
it as other, Being pedantic but maybe they also thought
it wasn't safe to try to combat demons if you're
not in. The group maybe it is interesting that their
measure here is is this person's not following, with us
like physically not in the group That's. Following jesus that
is not to say that this person's not Faithful to jesus.

(02:01:48):
And faithful, so yeah he's just not in. The, retinue
yeah and then We've got. Luke, SEVENTEEN shoot i went
a Different aage luke Saw at luke ten. TO seventeen
i just pulled up on my OWN because i want
to get the, second VERSE but i don't want to.
Sidetrack us so the seventy two returned with, a, Joy,
saying lord even the demons are subject to us in.
Your name and he said, TO them I saw satan

(02:02:09):
fall like lightning. From, HEAVEN behold i have given you
authority to tread on serpents and scorpions and over all
the power of, the enemy and nothing shall. Hurt, you
nevertheless do not rejoice in this that the spirit's are subject,
to you but rejoice that your names are written. In
heaven it's not about the fact that you get to
do a party Trick in. God's name it's that the
reason you were able to do this is because you.
Are saved there are way TOO many i remember a

(02:02:31):
mutual friend of ours kind of bragging to me that
he had done, an exorcism AND then i kind of
press him, for details and what it came down to
is that there had been a house that had some
feelings of oppression over it and he had gone through
it with his girlfriend at the time and prayer for.

(02:02:52):
The House and, i'm like why are you bragging as
if you've, done this and like framing it is kind of,
just HONESTLY but i think that's just like an example
of how people are about this sort. Of thing they
get this like a weird special PRIDE around i can
cast out. Demons, guys yeah well THAT'S where i got
the weird vibes off of that demon ERACERSS guy m

(02:03:14):
he had a, while back because like the, whole thing
it felt like he was bragging about all the interactions
with demons and it, WAS, like m we don't need
to trade him Like. Cool pokemon yeah, for real it
is not cool to have an interaction with the demon
like to. Be sobering. If anything, it's, LIKE oh i
had to take out the, trash again, that's, gross right let's.
Do it so. Let's see and Then the luke eleven

(02:03:38):
passage just again going. Over that, you know they're accusing
him of Casting at demons By the Prince. Of demons
let's scroll and now We have John references john. Seven
twenty the, crowd answered you have a demon who is
seeking to Kill you john eight. Forty Eight the jews,
answered him are we not right in saying that you
Are a samaritan and have. A demon they're, just like

(02:03:58):
is it correct that you are, a, dirty dirty unclean
gentile hybrid and Your possessed, just Clarify like i'm just
picturing like a reporter coming up. To. Him ooh, His,
ANSWER yeah i do not have. A DEMON but i
honor my father and you, Dishonor me and it's it's
one of those things, of like this is one of
those cases where you Cannot say jesus was just a,
good man because when you, dishonor him You. Dishonor god

(02:04:24):
he makes. It clear, so YES yet i you scalled it.
A LITTLE yet i did not seek my. Own glory
there is one who, seeks it and he is. The, judge,
TRULY truly i say, to you if anyone keeps, my
word he will never. See death that is not something
that just like a nice guy who, is, LIKE yeah
i say some some some quotes you have peace. And,
love dude you shouldn't be rich to your, Neighbor like

(02:04:46):
i'm sorry if if you're, saying, that like if you keep,
my word you will, never die you are either, an
evil evil person if that is not something you, can
do or You were god and can do that one or,
the other or. You're insane this is the same passage,
where SAYS if i, glorify myself my glory. Is nothing
it is my father who, glorifies me of whom you
say he Is, our god but you have not. KNOWN

(02:05:08):
him i. Know HIM if i were to SAY that
i do not, KNOW him i would be a liar.
Like YOU but i do, know HIM and i keep.
His word Your father abraham rejoiced that he would see.
My day he saw and. Was glad So the jews said,
to him you are not yet fifty, years old and
have You? Seen Abraham and jesus said, to, them, TRULY
truly i say to You before abraham was, YEAHWEH yep i.
Am gray ABRAHAM was. I am There's also i'm trying

(02:05:31):
to find, the context BUT basically i Think it's mark
three where all this stuff. Is happening he's revealing his
power All the pharisees are, pushing back and then his family,
shows up his mother, and brothers and they're like trying
to get, him out and it kind of looks like
they're trying to do an intervention of like we think,
he's crazy? Are Ye? Poor jesus something about hitting thirty

(02:05:54):
did not agree. With him his constitution is a. Little
week let's don't, kill, him please he's harm just he. Says,
things yeah so let's go back to. That list this
is getting. Really long. It is, I'm sorry i'm trying
to wrap, us up trying to. Breathe it we don't
have to go through the other REFERENCES that i have to,
the DEVIL because i was going to just like focus

(02:06:16):
in a little. Bit more but we don't, need them
so we can wrap up pretty soon after we get through.
This list so then We Have john john. Ten twenty
many of them said he is a demon and. Is
insane way listened. To him others said these are not
the words of one who is oppressed. By demon can the?
Demon open can a demon open the eyes of? The
BLIND and i think IT'S worth i think when When

(02:06:36):
the bible talks about the false prophet doing signs. AND
wonders i wonder if the distinction is going to be
the signs and wonders done by someone who does Not
follow god or like kind of impressive things like he
made a thing leavitite and he did. This thing but
can they actually? Help someone can they? Heal someone can
they restore someone back to what? They WERE because i
wonder if that's just the Purview. Of, god, yeah SCROLL

(02:07:00):
and i think we're gonna be able to go to
the next paper or like they can they tell an illness,
like stop but they can't actually. Eradicate it they can
slow it down and it'll come. Back later but something,
like blindness it's like you have to fully reverse. Something, evil,
yeah Well so jesus when he did, reversing blindness it was,

(02:07:20):
Pretty instant like there was one case where he did
it in. TWO stages i saw this one case of
this guy who claimed to be like this, faith hailer and,
this dude this poor kid. Comes up he is like
born without. An ear and the, guy's like what do?
You want what miracles do you want For? The lord and, he's,
LIKE well i want. My earback, he's, LIKE well i pray.
Over you i'm just name go home and your ear
is gonna start to grow back. Over time and it, was,
like okay so you can't do the miracle right in front. Of,

(02:07:42):
us yeah and you're just going off, Of someone you're
just trying to get him out of. The way what
an evil thing. To. Do yeah, so yeah and then
we have, oh yeah so we start to go into
other sections Of The. New Testament first corinthians ten twenty to.
Twenty ONE no i implied that what pagan sacrificed they
offer to do Not. TO god i do not want
you to be participants. With demons you cannot drink the

(02:08:03):
cup Of the lord and the cup. Of demons you
cannot partake of the table Of the lord and the table.
Of demons this is the context of food sacrifice, to
idols where he's saying it is not just Like The
old testament makes this big deal about how the idols
are just pieces of wood and they can't, do anything
and that. Is, true however they are the purview. Of
demons and it's not that the demons have any Power,

(02:08:24):
over god because with that Permission from god they. Are
lifeless but when you are worshiping, an idol you are,
worshiping demons you are. Participating in it is one or.
The other you cannot have Idols and god because if
you put something up as a Contest, To god god
is going to be like you can have that. OTHER
thing i am not going to fight for. Your attention
it is me or it. Is nothing variable gifted a

(02:08:46):
subscription specifically. To, money oh which, Is sweet, thank You go.
Bunny go bunny? Is birthday, UH huh i don't think it's.
Her birthday i'm just trying to read a. Comment, now
oh they're Talking about jesus had a lot of. Micdrop
moments he Did first smithy. Four one Now the spirit
expressly says that in later times some will depart from

(02:09:07):
the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings.
Of demons we see that a Lot, in mormonism which Is.
Space islam we see it In. Regular islam we see
it in a lot of other. THINGS scientology i would
argue a lot of the teachings Of The Catholic church james.
Two nineteen you Believe the, goddess one you. Do well
even the demons Believe. In shueddar and again it's like

(02:09:28):
you have this. Baseline theology head theology is not enough good.
For you even the demons. DO. That h james. Through
fifteen this is not the wisdom that comes from down,
from above but it, is, earthly, unspiritual demonic so. There
is it is be very careful what kind of wisdom you,
are using because there are. Different, kinds yeah and some
of them. Are bad some of them are. From demons
like demons don't just, possess people they also, influence, teaching,

(02:09:52):
spirituality doctrine. Et cetera revelation nine. To twenty the rest
of main kind who were not killed by, these plagues
did not repent of the works of, their hands nor
give up shipping demons and idols of gold and silver
and bronze and stone and wood which cannot see or hear.
OR walk, I really, I know i'm going to Sound
like i'm just beating a, dead horse but anything that
even remotely fits in, this category do not mess. With

(02:10:16):
it any statues made, of gold silver and bronze and
stone and wo that you are praying to that cannot
see or hear or walk are conduits. For demons god
does not interact with humans. This Way the bible is
very clear. About that there is never an Incidence of
god interacting. WITH people i know people say That the
ark Of the covenant is an instance, of that and.
It's not it was the Throne. Of god he wasn't
in dwelling. The thing they were never praying to The

(02:10:37):
arc they were Praying to god on the Arc a revelation.
Sixteen fourteen for they are demonic experience performing signs who
go abroad to the kings of the whole world to
assemble them for battle on The great Day of God.
The almighty so we see the little things that they do.
Possessing people but then this seems like a hierarchy thin
because you also have the ones that go abroad and
they assemble entire nations, in battle which seems pretty higher

(02:10:57):
Principality level revelation. Eighteen two and he called that with a,
mighty voice fall and fall In this babylon the great
she's becoming dwelling place. FOR demons a hunt for, unclean spirit,
et cetera. ET cetera I guess i can. FINISH that
I thought i was gonna speak a hunt for every,
clean bird a hunt for everyone clean in to. Decibel
beast so that's the last of the. Demon references so
it's a very cohesive idea of these things. Are bad

(02:11:18):
they can have power, over you they can. Influence People
only god can, save you and you need to. Surrender
yourself look at him because it's demons. Or. Him yay
and then let's just look at my NOTES because i
have a little more rappy. Eppie stuffy AND then i.
PROMISED done i was going to do more stuff on
references to the, devil there but that to me is

(02:11:39):
more of a broader Discussion of satan. Versus demons so
that doesn't really need to face this we've. Talked about
we have had a good amount that was going to
be LIKE if i, needed TIME if i, needed FILLER
because i honestly, Wasn't sure like because my notes look
so sparse in, THAT section i, was like maybe we'll
just fly. THROUGH that i, don't know so let's have,
some backup so let's JUST see i can scroll through
mostly so justin mart in his, second apology which was

(02:12:01):
like he lived eighty one hundred and twin, Sixty five
so this is kind of first hand accounts of right after.
The church this isn't going to go into the exorcism Stuff.
Of catholicism this is just how secular people saw the
Work of jesus and the work of the disciples. Immediately
after so just a martyr says for actually just a
martyr might not have. BEEN secular i forget, now anyway it.
Doesn't matter he's a writer as. To historian throughout the,

(02:12:23):
whole world and in your, own city many of us
human beings Who are christians exercised many who were possessed
by demons in the Name Of, jesus christ who was
crucified under. Pontious pilot and they healed them though they
had not been healed by all the others exorcists and enchanters.
And sorcerers and still, they healed breaking the power of
the demons and chasing them away from the human beings
who were possessed. By them so this is an inside
of it seems like Maybe the pharisees were just completely never,

(02:12:44):
healing anyone never never, exorcizing anyone or like not at. Least, permanently,
yeah yeah. That's true origin who wrote eighty eighteen is
five to two. FIFTY three i think he actually Was
a christian, scholar too for they do not give the
get the power which they seem to possess by, any
incantations but by the Name, of jesus with the recital

(02:13:04):
of the histories. About him for when these, are pronounced
they have often made demons to be driven out, of
men and especially when those who utter them speak with
real sincerity and. Genuine belief, in fact the Name of
jesus is so powerful against demons sometimes it is effective
even when pronounced by. Bad men it is Clear that
christians make no use, of spells but only of the
Name of jesus with other words which are believe to
be effective taken From The, divine scripture without any curious

(02:13:26):
magical art, resources device but with paralalan and very simple
adorations of formulas such as the simplest person. Could use for,
generally speaking it is uneducated people who do this kind.
Of work so the idea of you're doing, the exorcism
you're using the Name, of jesus and you're using some
like passages From the bible that show the testment Of
who god is in his authority RIGHT and I would
i would hazard that the passages of scripture are not

(02:13:51):
having an impact on the demons so much as on
the heart of the person who is doing, the exorcism
to get them, into that like remind them of Who
who god is and the Power of god so their
faith is in that. Full, place yeah and this was
going to be a segue into WHAT was i was going.
To cover and the next pit was showing how the
church went from uneducated people doing exorcisms to more educated

(02:14:14):
people being. Required to no priests were allowed to. Do
it was a separate thing and to now only priests can.
Do it but that could be something we cover in the. Next, thing,
okay yes, so, basically yeah That's, your bible what, it
says and some Commentary about SHREK and i kiss a
slug in the interest? Of fullest did you? Like? It
NO actually i. Did NOT so i really. Liked SNAILS

(02:14:37):
when i Lived, in africa we had Like giant. AFRICAN
snails i love them, so much and they. Were fun
one of the kids smashed them, on PURPOSE like i
kept them in a rabbit. Hutches harp, but anyway we
went Back. To america we didn't have, snails there especially
not the. Giant ONES and i was trying to fill
the snail shaped hole in, my HEART so i started
keeping slugs in a Jar and abbey is really grossed out. By,
that yes so extremely trying to performatively SHOW that i

(02:15:00):
was not as GROSSO and i kissed as luck AND
then i, was like, you know actually that might have been.
Too far that was A little the dress did not.
LIKE that i, was like why would you? Do? That
RIGHT and i, Was like i'm gonna not, say that
but also WHY would i? Do that so that is
what happened that the Giant the, african snail those are,
so cute like you could, kiss them and they, were
CUTE and i little things we'd. Like, RETRACT yes i looked.

(02:15:20):
It up you cannot have them as Pets. In america
they are in a. Vasive species they can eat like foundations.
Of houses. Oh wow they also can have a brain
parasite thing. That happens you would KNOW if i. Had
it but they were cute because they were like little snalls,
are fun don't get. Me wrong but the giant ones.
They're big they're like the size of. Your hand if
they get big enough and you could just kind of
like interact, with them they feel like an actual. Whole,

(02:15:40):
pet yeah you COULD Just i i'm sure they. Hated
ME because i just like poked their little eyes stocks
watch and the attract and they were a lot. Of
fun we WOULD like, i remember there was a period.
Of time it was probably not even, that long but
it was a phase where, every Morning because mom generally
would make us like put them back at the end of,
The day so like every morning we go out to

(02:16:00):
the to the flower bed where they were usually at
and like pick up our like snails for the day
and play with them until. Lunch time and we would
raise them and put them side by side and see
which one and one time you put salt them one
to see what, would HAPPEN did, i yeah and, LIKE
innocently i don't think you realized that it would actually hurt.

(02:16:20):
The snail and the. Snail survived he was just sluggish for.
A while it wasn't a lot. Of, salt yeah but
there was a brief PERIOD because i remember, being like wait,
a second you switched, our snails because now mine is
sluggish and yours. Is NOT and i didn't put salt on.
MY snails i just WANT that i don't. Really, REMEMBER
also i to confess my own psychopathic things so that
you're not the. ONLY one i didn't realize what snail,
eggs WERE and i was, just like these things randomly

(02:16:40):
appear in their cage and they're so fun. To squish,
Oh PLEASE so i was killing all of. Their CHILDREN
but i do know that You're, pretty yeah. We were
really if you, own snails as like a snail, pet
owner you are actually supposed to swish, THE eggs, i
guess unless you want to. Hatch. Them uh and also
there's a certain thing that could happen where a snail
can hatch and it just like doesn't grow past a
certain point and it's little body just gets like compressed

(02:17:03):
more and more and. It's shelling you're supposed to put
them down by. Squishing THEM so i don't KNOW if
i have what it takes to be a snail out
owner now NOW that i know things and. Have responsibility
is way too. Much INFORMATION but i do often think
a little misty ied and thinking about. MY snails i do.
MISS them i loved. Having snails. Yeah sweet when HE
says i hate when children destroy snails for, some fun let,
ME okay i know this. Is unlocked this. Is important

(02:17:25):
so we had this kid in our content the second
time we. Were there this was the. SECOND time i.
Was seven his Name. Is zachary he was Five and dad, was,
like uh you have to let him use your bike
every time. He asks and he knew that because he
was the spawn of, the devil and so he would
always ask for the BIKE when i was. Using it
and then he left it like in a fire ant
pile one TIME and i, was like leave. It out
he dropped our dog on. The sidewalk she was like a.

(02:17:46):
Little puppy and he's the one who smashed. My, Snails,
so zachary if you're, Watching this i'm coming for you
as SOON as i figure out where. You live it's
the youngest of like. FIVE boys i want to say
he was the devil incarnate five year old kid running Around.
In africa, bunny says you did eat, Paint, also, uh

(02:18:10):
YEAH so i. Used to so we had a. Concrete
wall our house was made out of concrete blocks and
it was painted over and in, the humidity the paint would.
Peel off it would like bubble up and kind, of
YEAH so i would peel. It off this was the
first time we Lived, in africa so you were, really,
Young yes and the parents, were like don't peel the,

(02:18:30):
paint OFF so i, was like eat. The EVIDENCE so
i did that and they only caught it one time
and made me, throw UP but i did, IT regularly.
I think and THEN when i, was seven and the
anti malarial medication really messes with, your mind really really
throws you, off emotionally and it was like it was
A little carder period to be away from the cousins,
and everything and we thought we were gonna be there for,
ten YEARS so i was processing. ALL that i at

(02:18:51):
one point was like feeling, very DIRE and i, Was
like i'm gonna eat the paint off the wall. AND die,
i DIDN'T but i just love how in my head
Was like i'm gonna, do it and it would have
exactly zero things would, have happened except maybe a little
bit more brain damage down. The line almost the ONLY
story i can remember that would make myself look bad

(02:19:13):
from this time PERIOD is i had like a bucket
with ants in it at some point and it had
like living ants and, some SAND and I remember i
was like eating the ants, and thinking oh the sands making.
Them salty you were you also? Ate, ants, YEAH okay
i ate ants. A Bunch and mom finally she caught
ME like i had found like a little ant Trail

(02:19:33):
and i'd like crowd. The bucket so the ants retricted
into going directly in, the bucket snacked in and It Courst,
maybe mom did you not feed? Us enough she, was
like what the freaking frack are?

Speaker 2 (02:19:43):
You.

Speaker 1 (02:19:43):
Doing uh they, tasted peppery they, tasted good they. TASTED
genuinely i don't think we got. Fed enough i'm gonna, Be,
Honest mom I'M calling cps on. It was it was
very likely like those few minutes before lunch where, you're,
like well she's never. Gonna come i'm just gonna eat
somebo sources snacks. And. Outdoors, yeah also ONE time i

(02:20:04):
made a sandwich out of two pieces of cardboard and,
some grass AND then i was a little bit surprised
that it. Wasn't GOOD so i have. Some questions, so
oh so they're talking in chat about how this explains.
A lot variable five has a five dollar umble rant
that says so much in, all caps and, then answered
sator has so much in all caps five dollar, rumble
rant but with spaces in. Between, it yeah so that

(02:20:27):
that's that's. The lore or with That, being liz we
should probably end this before we actually remember any more
lore any more. Interesting thing love, you guys thanks for
coming to my Ted talk bunny's five bunny five dollar
umbrant like. A lot oh. My goodness, all, right well love.

(02:20:50):
You guys thank you so much for. Being here let's pray,
us UP because i don't think we pray. Us, IN
yeah i forgot you'l like think he's much for, this
Episode for liz for putting it together. PRESENTING it i
pray that if we've said, anything amiss that you would
just teach against That The holy spirit would lead into
truth on everything and just revealed to us anywhere we have,

(02:21:13):
gone wrong and just point all these hearts in the
right direction on this topic and draw us to you your. Name,
men yeah thank you guys for. Coming in variable what's
your favorite flavor? Of? PAINT oh i think it was.
White paint it Was, All yeah i'm open to. Other
options it's Just what. I'VE tried i never ate any of.

(02:21:34):
The paint you sound really defensive when you. Said THAT no.
I did i'm just trying To get ahad to something
that's going to come out in the Expos. Have abby
you're a. Paint, eater too and you. DIDN'T know I
think i was too. Old, TOO yeah i want to.
Say so the first time we Were, in africa it
was like ages three to five, for ME and i

(02:21:54):
want to say it was like FOUR when i was eating.
The paint might have. BEEN five i. Don't know she was. Quite,
young yeah, ALL right i love. You all. Good night
CAN'T believe i have to throw up this thumbnail that.
Is incorrect my paint is known, AS creamy, i believe
and white paints and creamy fill a small empty can

(02:22:17):
of paint with yoga and need it. At work, all
right we got we gotta end this before chat keep
saying things, good night, gop filty eating deeper and plas

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