The Exorcism Question, Part Two

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Speaker 1 (00:36):
Give them.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Hello, welcome to alternatively, we are we are live with you.
I don't even know if I know how What are
you doing in my house?

Speaker 1 (01:15):
Are you people? This is my house? I was talking
to them, Oh, this is a lieouse. I don't think
they need to know that you're undermining me in front
of the intruders. This is a problem. Yeah, I think
the intruders know it's my fair No for real, though
we haven't. I feel like we haven't been live with

(01:36):
you in since long. There was a Bible episode at
one point that wasn't the last one or the one
where that maybe anyway, it doesn't matter speaking of I
just figured out why the last couple premieres have failed
because you suck at your job. It's because so.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
As I was going live tonight, the notification was like
the stream failed going out to X, so link must
have come undone or something.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
I'll have to look into that.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
But there was like a thing I had to take off, saying, go,
you know, go live without X. But if the premiere
was just set up to go by itself, then it
not going X made the whole thing film.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
So we also need to set it up to not
go to X. Not go live to the locals, not
go to X right, yeah, hours off right and life. Yeah,
so hopefully premieres, premiere premiers working again. It's it's so
I was so angry. I've been really struggling with anger

(02:34):
and letting little things just make me so so angry.
But in my defense, I'm like alone all all because,
like John will be on a twenty four hour shift,
right yeah, and I will get the boys down for
a nap, and I will get some food in my
body for the first time all day at noon, and

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I will sit down and I will put the show
up in my like little window of time where both
the boys are napping and I have time to like
do the variety of things that I have to do,
like shower and eat and things like this, and I
do the work to get the show up, and then

(03:16):
seven o'clock hits, I'm running around trying to get the
kids in bed and text from Liz creaking through. Freaking Liz,
You're like a Pavlovian response, right right, saying the video
didn't give up. But I'm being my head. I should
do that in the middle of the night on a
non video night. Me.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
Yeah, sometimes that happens too because I get the boys
down and I'm so tired, and I go to bed
and I wake up in the middle of the night
with the baby only do a text from Bliss saying
the video didn't come up, where it failed or whatever.
So sorry about what's been going on with Rumble Studio.
I apologize on behalf of Technically, it's not rumbles fault

(03:58):
this time, it's Ex's fault. This is this well, Rumble
came only for I don't know.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
As Variable says, X, go and give it to you anyway.
I've banned him from the chat. Good good, Okay, let's see.
Let's take a look at the chat. Variable says fifth
of vodka, to which I complained because I wanted whiskey.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
Satyr says he will be back in the chat in
twenty to thirty minutes because he is driving.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
I saw him run that stop side Yeah, drive saved Satyr.
Annie announced her presence and we all started behaving.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
We also have been being worse than before, because that
is that's how you were sponded.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
Brook is really happy to see us. We're happy to
see you.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
I am the brook is Brook is somebody who talks
to me on Instagram all the time, but has only
recently been able to join live on Rumble. That's really
because she, I believe. Yeah, she was an audio listener for.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
A really long time. We finally got her to come
over to Rumble. We rubbed around with a Brook Talks
React episode. I think, oh yeah, we are, Oh yes,
I did. This is diabolical on my part. I'm sure.
Agathusia saying it's the most mischievous time of the year
live is a treat yep princesses here, princess, I like premial.

(05:18):
What is it when you said premal instead of premiere?
Oh yeah, valid, crash out, thank you, thank you. This
episode isn't actually live. There's just really good at yes,
really good at predictaty good. It's almost like we're inside

(05:39):
your phones reading all of the things you do so
that we know everything about your minds. Why are you
Why are you letting me talk?

Speaker 2 (05:46):
I don't know, Okay, So I hope you'll come you
guys tonight. Obviously, first time live with you in a while,
so we want to really enjoy that. So please feel
free to bring up whatever you want to chat about,
and we'll keep a note of it.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
We won't keep a note of it.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
I will only remember if I actually want to talk
about the thing that you want to talk about. But
be that as it may. This is part two of
Liza's Exorcism series that was supposed to be a two
part series, so this part might be shorter, and we're
kind of banking on it being shorter and then having
a little bit of time at the end to just
chat about whatever with you.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
So do a live exorcism of Abby on screen? What what? Why?
I was there's gonna make some joke about liking my demon,
but then it felt a little sacrilegious. Or ye, guess
we actually do have to do an exorcism. Guys. Yeah,
I don't like my team and that doesn't sound any better,

(06:43):
all right. I just like and I don't have one.
But if I had what I would dislike, I would
dislike it. Dear Love, please help us tonight, help the
show to go off without a hitch. We pray gets
demons in the machines, and and I pray that you

(07:03):
would help us to speak the truth and just guide
the conversation and bless us in your name. Amen.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
Also, I don't know why I am blaming demons again
in the machine. I decided to take respects. I was like,
what ability or the things that go wrong? And by responsibility,
I mean blame rumbles.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
It's in work. We've been just talking about radical accountability
or extreme accountability, and from how one of the corporate
retail managers has has modeled it for me, my understanding
is for extreme accountability, you have to make sure the
person who's been hurt knows that it was not your fault,
it was a specific other person's fault. Yes, definitely, Yeah,

(07:45):
I was. I was like a bunch of backpay. It
was like an oversight. But the problem was that he
just like refused to fix the issue. And then he
spoke to my manager and finally my manager confronted him.
He's like, oh, yeah, we can give her the back pay,
just let her know it was all entirely your fault.
And I was like, he literally said that he also
got in a car accident because he stopped in the
middle of an intersection because it was right on the
other side. Anyway, what an idiot? Yeah, so hi bun

(08:11):
bun Bun. Hello. We didn't get any elf alfa for bunbun. Also,
I did I wanted to point out that you have
a lot of faith, and you demonstrated that by praying
that this episode of a golf without a hitch, knowing
I'm the one leading it anyway. Yeah, I do have
a lot of faith. Yes, So I'm just getting the
screen share set up, I think, yeah, because we're gonna
start out with this article hata. So in this sorry,

(08:34):
going back, in the previous episode, we sort of talked
about you can have the articlup. We're gonna tackle it
next unless you don't, unless you don't want to lop.
In our previous Exorcism episode, we talked about the presence
of evil spirits in the Bible and different potential references
to demons that get lost because the translation just translates
them as nouns like common nouns. So there might be

(08:57):
some context you're missing if you haven't seen that one.
Hopefully you can still keep up with us without, you know.
I don't want to tell you to go away and
stop watching this one because watch because it's about the juice. Okay,
I'll go away. I had some Yeah, somebody on Twitter
was like, conspiracy pill really fell off with the bee

(09:17):
started paying you or taking you under their way, and
I'm like, first of all, conspiracy pill doesn't exist it
in quite a while. But like they pay us, you've
been keeping their paychecks all to yourself. We're under the way.
I have never been paid anything. Where's my autograph from

(09:37):
Seth Dylan?

Speaker 3 (09:40):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (09:40):
I kept it d Just when you think you can
trust a conspiracy pill did fall off, especially when that
chick what's her name, Lizard Breath came on. She ruins
everything anyway. So in this episode, we're going to talk
about Intertestamental stuff slash other Jewish demonology. And the reason
I have it like as a two topic thing is

(10:01):
that we are going to sort of talk about Jewish
demonology in Intertestamental times, but then some of the stuff
we're going to talk about is like sense New Testament
times of just like the carried on Jewish tradition. The
reason I kind of wanted to tackle this is that
we're kind of all familiar, at least with the concept
of like exorcism today as presented in movies being like
a very Catholic thing. And I was like, wait a second,

(10:21):
there's that passage in I think it's Matthew because it's
into parts of the New Testament, I think where Jesus
is talking to the Pharisees and he's like, and if
you cast out or if I cast out demons three
beals above, who do your son's cast him out with?
And I was like, oh, they do epsoicisms too, And
then I wanted to look into it. And typical as fashion,

(10:42):
I just you know, abloviated a lot. So yes, yes,
as a sweet body says, conspiracy pilled fell off a
cliff into the dark opest and was replaced by its
alter ego. Alternatively, and I would like to point out
that one of the great things about changing the name
is that our abbreviation is no longer seen. Yes, I
I was gonna say, I do not miss that at all,

(11:06):
Brook said, I thought, what's his nuts? Is still doing
conspiracy field? Like on YouTube it's called Dark Ocean, and
I don't think he's still doing it. What's his nuts is? No,
he's been posting recently. Yeah, I don't know if there's
any consistent schedule, but I haven't watched anything lately. But yeah, Also,
what's his nuts is a great Also, I learned a
phrase from a book I was reading rhymes, what his nuts?

(11:29):
I learned a phrase from a book dejah pooh, the
feeling that you've been through this crap before. It's a
real book. Yeah, so that's not the name of the book,
is just a quote from the book. It's a book
called Feral Creatures. It's the sequel to a book called

(11:49):
Hollow Kingdom. You wouldn't get it because you don't read
the books that I read it. Anyway, let's try to
stay on topic, just even a little bit. What were
we talking about? Okay, so Jews? Yes, so we're going
to look at this article on Jewish exorcism. This was
our introduction to that. So Abby, would you like to
read it for us? Okay, because you can read it
better because can see the long Abby is drinking. Don't

(12:12):
let her drown drinking. Am we've really fallen off if
we're doing ASMR. I've been doing ASMR. I've been trying
to make this at ASMBR show. Okay, I've seen sorry,
now I'm getting a subtrack. I've seen like a SMR
showing up on my feed in Instagram. It's like ASMR.
My boyfriend falls down the stairs and it's just like

(12:34):
falling noises and in streams of pan like I broke my leg. No,
for real, I am having so much fun being live
with you tonight. It's is probably apologies to the eye listeners,
It's probably not gonna get better. No, but but if
you've been with us this long already and you're kind
of like offended by how we act, now this is
kind of on you. It's like you're at this point
complicit with it. Yeah, because we're always awful. Yeah, you're

(12:55):
making No one's forcing you here except for except for Satar.
We are forcing sat. That's the only way to explain
how long he's been a fit in the contract. Okay,
let's see.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
This is from my Jewish Learning dot com, Magic and
the Supernatural Jewish Exorcism. Jews have developed complex plans for
coaxing evil spirits out of those who are possessed this Okay, yeah,
I'm sorry, but it kind of just reads like Jews
and there's space lasers. They have developed complex plants or

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coaxing people speaking.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
I don't know, maybe I'm just so used to like
all the conspiracy about Jews that I read it. You're
in good company. I'm sure that complex I'm over it.
Exorcism is a ritual of power performed in order to
drive an evil spirit, whether demonic or ghostly, from a
possessed person, location, or object. This is written by Rabbi

(13:51):
by the way yeabbye bye bye Schoffred done Us, which
is non Jewish name, oh very British okay Jeffrey yes
a person or ogic.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
The Christian scholar Origin credits to So with the special
talent for exercising demons against Celsi's book four. First allusion
to exorcism appears in the Bible and the Youth narratives
of David First Salmon. We covered that in the last part.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
But while the.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
Biblical David seemed to be able to affect a temporary
expulsion of Saul's evil spirit using music, the Book of
Tobit contains the first explicit description of an informal exorcism.
Josephus recounts incidents of possession and exorcism in his Antiquities
of the Jews two five eight and forty five to
forty eight. In his description, exorcism involved burning herbs and

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immersing the person the possessed person in water. The New
Testament also reports Jesus who have performed numerous exorcisms of
demonic spirits in first century Palestine Matthew twelve, Mark five, six,
and thirteen in Luke eight. The Dead Sea Scrolls include
several I like the inline citation.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
Yeah, it is helpful. And then you don't have to
like scroll down to a side Grintis's asset, there's any
chance of in begginning. You don't want to see my face,
even my face. Yeah, I would get I would take
offense to that if I were you, princess, But fine, okay.
The Dead Sea Scrolls include several exorcism incantations and formulae,

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mostly directive against disease causing demons. The dss Psalms collection,
in particular eleven q Five has four songs for the
charming of demons with music. People who fell under the
influence of false prophets and mediums were thought to also
require the exorcism of possessing evil spirits. The false prophits
and mediums themselves were subject to death, a sure cure
for most possessions. I mean, yeah, that is funny. That

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like a lot of what you would do. And when
you see so where says ce Zecho thirteen. And that's
got the little symboble sided. This is because it's I
think of mid rash citation. We're not going to go
to any of these ones, but it's like, I think
it includes the commentary, like the rabbinical commentary on the background.
Ooh yeah, that's you get this little school scirl thing here.
Oh yeah. If y'all want to find this article yourselves,

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there's a lot to look up.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
The midrash mentions the procedure, though at times in a
tongue in cheek manner. I can't even read that. But
that's a citation, and that's Jewish words numbers Rabba nineteen eight,
an extended story in Leviticus twenty four to.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
Three, Rapa twenty four Levinicus itself. Oh okay, this is
all the commentary, like the oh I say, you don't
like Talmud stuff, got it? Helmud Jewish word.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
Tells of the exorcism of a well of water involving iron,
iron implements and shouted formulae. Shiman bar Yohi exercises a
demon that assists him in getting the cooperation of Caesar
in lifting an oppressive decree against the Jews.

Speaker 1 (16:53):
In a medieval.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
Midrash, hen Nina ben Dosa is credited with exercising an
evil spirit haunting an old woman. Intriguingly, in the last
two accounts, the sages exercise demons, even though each of
the evil spirits actually behaved in a beneficial fashion. By
the late Middle Ages, whole text dedicated to demons started
to appear, so they started to become more like obsessed with.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
Yeah, they started to get more and more I guess
knowledge and such. I'm trying to just check the article myself,
because I think that might have been all that I
plan for you to read of the article. I just
got to pull it up on my screen, So just
a bunch of like through history reference Like, yeah, places
we're seeing references to this. Actually, let's go ahead and
read the rest of it, because I forgot the rest
of it. Is interesting.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
Get that spirit out. Key to any Jewish exorcism is
having a truly pious man in abba ba al sham
Rebbe or a rabbi conduct the ceremony. This is in
contrast with Mesopotamian and Greco Roman practices, which generally use
a physician. The process usually starts with the exorcist ritually
purifying himself, either according to traditional Jewish practic this or

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by special means that she's annointing himself with water and oil.
Some exorcists may invoke the presence of a magged or
beneficial spirit to assist them. Many exorcisms were public events,
either performed in a synagogue or at least requiring the
presence of a man a minimum of ten I'm probably
mispronouncing all of these Hebrew words and I'm sorry, a
minimum of ten men that normally makes up a ritual

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quorum de very josef. Various somatic symptoms swellings, paralysis, markings,
and bodily sensations were sought in the victim for diagnostic purposes.
Are hot gul I might you? Yeah, these are inline
satations that I probably will start to skip over.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
And also she is mispronouncing these on purpose so that
you don't think she's complicit with the Jews, because yeah,
because they'll be like, oh, she doesn't even speak Jewish.
Yeah yeah, but psych she's actually super duper fluent in it.
Oh sorry, as youah, seven thousand dollars. Most techniques include
interviewing the demon and ordbook, taking a personal history, as
it were, in order to under dan what is motivating

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the spirit and so better affect the removal, they therapize it. Yeah,
power speech.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
Many possessing spirits are evidently quite forthcoming and loquacious, and
times cooperation was coerced from the demon by fumigation, exposing
it to smoke and sulfur, a sympathetic invocation of the
infernal realms. The goal of the interview is to eventually
learn the name of the evil spirit. The exorcist then
uses the power of the demon demonic spirit's own name
to overpower it by round after round of scripted ritual actions,

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involving threats and rebukes, getting more intense and invasive with
each effort. A few ceremonies on record reached the point
of actually beating the demon out, but most simply involved
verbal coercion. Jewish exorcisms are usually liturgical, using protective passages
from the Psalms and other sacred texts. Anti demonic psalms
have been found among the Dead Sea scrolls, though whether
they were used in actual exorcism is impossible to know.

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The same resurfaces in the Middle Age. Yeah, the same idea,
I'm sorry, same yeah, same idea resurfaces in the Middle
Ages with Psalms ten ninety one and one twenty seven,
particularly being lauded for their power against evil spirits. This
citation instructs the patient to recite Psalm twenty and ninety
uh and uh Anna pacoa and acrostic prayer made from

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a name of God. Rituals accompanying the recitations can include
soundings sounding a shofar, or the use of other Jewish
objects such as candles, torah scrolls, vittles, written requests for
spiritual guidance, healing, or miraculous interventions sent to a Hasidic
master to fill in lactories or lamps. Later exorcism reports
include the use of amulance.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
This is very hard to read. I'm so sorry you
take over readom uh, that's okay, I espresson.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
According to Lurianic Kabbala, exorcism of a possessing debut involves
the ticken or repair of the ghostly souled. The exorcist
accomplishes this by promising the debt salvation. Then it is
extracting all its goodness, restoring those resources to the root
soul or treasury of souls, until the estranged evil consciousness
withers and is annihilated. Thus, the Lurianic kabbalistic is acting

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on behalf of both the victim and the dipok exit ghost.
The primary sign of a successful exorcism was a bloody
fingernail or toenail the point by which the dipok enters
and leaves the body. Occasionally there are reports of spirits
violently leading through the throat of vagina or rectum. A
sudden and dramatic change in the victim's behavior is also

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a sure sign of recovery.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
I've heard some parts that sounded like an Interestingly, Jewish
exorcisms are occasionally reported to have failed. Apparently, reports and
misadventures are virtually non existent in Catholic tradition. Jews, as
always are highly self critical in a related tradition. That's
an interesting little note, because I don't think it's true

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that no exorcism has ever failed in Catholic tradition, just
that Jews are the ones who have reported on their failures.
The only one that I can think of that's like
a prominently known I think it would be considered a
failure is the case of analyst Michelle or Michael. I
don't know how you pronounce her lessons Where she died,
where she died. Yeah, I do want to do maybe
a whole episode on that, but that'd be really interesting
down the line. In a related tradition, it is believed

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righteous individuals have the power to gather up lost souls
who are trapped in this world and release them so
they may continue their journey into the afterlife. Figures such
as a list of rabbis we're famous for doing this.
Reports of exorcisms continue to come out of traditional communities,
both in the United States and Israel, though there has
been a marked decline in the number over the past century.
Reprinted with permission from the Encyclopedia of Magic, Myth and Mysticism.

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Thank you for reading that. You're welcome. That was it
was interesting, Like there's a lot of like terminology and
citations and things to get lost in, but that this
seems to bear a lot more similarity to the Catholic
version of exorcism than to the Protestant version of extorism.
But it's also kind of its own thing too.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
Its own thing too, and definitely kind of witch doctory.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if they picked up some
of these practices from that Intertestamental period where they were
in Babylonian captivity, because if you'll recall, we did kind
of briefly touch on this in the last episode, and
I'll discover it again. We covered in the last episode
how all the examples of evil spirits in the Bible.
It is very clear that while the spirit is evil,
it is completely and utterly in the control of God,

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like it is not doing its own thing right. And
so scholars have looked at that and been like, okay,
so they're trying to square evil spirits with the what's
the word I keep trying to think of the wrong
word on monotheism. They're trying to, you know, well, there's
only one God and these are all in its control.
But then you see that they go into Babylonian activity
and all of a sudden they kind of developed demonology,
and that's where we see it in the New Testament.

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And I reject that because God didn't suddenly learn from
Babylonians about demonology, and the New Testament is word of God.
So I approach it from the mindset of no, this
is the New Testament and the Old Testament are not contradictory.
In the Old Testament, we have the understanding of there
are principalities that are in the control of God, who

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would rebel against him. But even the evil they do,
they have to do with permission. And then you see
that there is protection that has been removed from Israel
by the time we get to the Testament period and
you're seeing these stuff.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
But yeah, I also wonder if as practice, as like
these mystical practices from Babylon crept in that there was
more and more inviting these things.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
Well, and that was what I was going to say too,
is that while the Israelites were under the protection of
the promise of God, they had the temple, were literally
the Holy Spirit dwelt in the temple. Do you think
the demons are going to get close to that? Right? No,
they're not. But by the time they're Babylonian captivity, they're
not protected in the same way, and they're put right
in the middle of something that they have not lived
in before. They have had the privilege of not really
having to interact with the demonic at all, and all

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of a sudden it's caught up with them, Right.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
I do think it's interesting that like there's this overpowering
like I'm gonna talk to it until I learn its
name and used the Bible to beat it up. And
then it's just very much like an in your own
strength kind of thing, like I'm going to use the
Bible for its incantations, and but it's it's still like
not really lying on the power of God.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
And this is a little bit spoilers for the next episode,
because in the next episode we're going to talk about
every reference to like demon's satan, you know, the evil
spiritual world in the New Testament. However, so there is
that passage where the demon who's legion, where like there's
a crazy man, he's possessed by a demon. My pastor
actually preached about this last Sunday. Was fortuitous timing. He's

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in the tombs and Jesus and the disciples pull up
on their little boat and they get out and the
guy shows up, and there's the point where Jesus says,
what it's your name? And I think a lot of
people base this idea of exorcism of like, oh, if
you find the name, you have the power. And I
literally had the thought, like a few seconds before my
pastor said it, what if Jesus was asking the person
what his name was and the demon answered for him. Mmm,

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so we're gonna talk about stuff like that in the
next episode. That's just teers if you will, because it was.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
His way of determining, not what the demon's name was,
but but that that the demon was in control, yes,
or not really determining, because I mean I think you
would know, but you know, he cares about the person
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
Well, we'll talk about that more on the next one, okay,
so feel upon it that in the meantime. Yeah, so
this article did mention. There is a part in the
Dead Sea Scrolls. It's like eleven q A P O
C R P S. I don't really know what the
aggregation is for.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
Sorry, my brain is stuck on this. The demon doesn't
want the guy to talk to Jesus. Yeah, of course
not so the demon's answer, yeah yeah, okay, but yeah, yeah, okay,
you can make it your rest.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
I had to complete the thought. You're good. So in
the Dead Sea Scrolls, there's that section that has four
palms against demons, and they're thought to have been used
in exicisms of like Kumor on. Of those four ninety one,
I say, I guess the only one that can be
made out like they know that there's others, but they're
just not really legible. But there are others, some texts
that seem to have been used against evil spirits, such
as Psalm sixteen and one one plus also the Priestly

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Blessing in number six twenty three to seventeen. So let's
look at Psalm sixteen and we can just read the
whole thing. I figured, my no, can never go on
rereading scripture. So a midcam of David. What's a midcam?

Speaker 2 (27:27):
We don't even know. Probably a musical liturgical term. Okay,
preserve me, Oh God. What if midcam means like exorcist?

Speaker 1 (27:36):
That would be kind of funny.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
Yeah, okay, preserve me, oh God. For in you I
take refuge. I say to the Lord, you are my Lord.
I have no good apart from you. As for the
saints in the land, they are the excellent ones, in
whom is all my delight. The sorrows of those who
run after another God shall multiply their drink offerings of blood.
I will not pour out or take their names on
my lips. The Lord is my chosen portion, and my
cup you hold my lot. The lines have fallen from

(27:58):
me in pleasant places. I have a beautiful inheritance. I
bless the Lord who gives me counsel and the night. Also,
my heart instructs me. I have set the Lord always
before me, because he is at my right hand. I
will not be I shall not be shaken. Therefore my
heart is glad, and my whole being rejoices. My flesh
also dwells secure, for you will not be in my
soul to shill, or let your holy one see corruption.

(28:20):
You make known to me the path of life. In
your presence, there is fullness of joy.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
At your right hand are pleasures Forevermore is there more
orderless The excerpt, Okay, yeah, I really like the line.
The lines have fallen me for me in pleasant places.
I don't know why. I've always really liked that one.
And then.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
Is the other a song of a sense I lift
up my eyes to the hills from where it does
my help come. My help comes from the Lord who
made heaven and earth. He will not let your foot
be moved. He who keeps you will not slumber. Behold,
he who keeps Israel will neither slumber nor sleep.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
The Lord is your keeper. The Lord is your shade.
On your right hand. The sun will not strike you
by date, nor the moon by night. The Lord will
keep you from all evil. He will keep your life.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
The Lord will keep your going out, and you're coming
in from this time forth and forever more.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
And I really like that line. Can you scrow back up?
I gotta see it. Oh yeah, yeah. Behold, he who
keeps Israel will neither slumber nor sleep. And we've seen that,
and how God protects Israel against like the constant bombardment
from Ali foes attacking them. And then number six twenty three,
twenty seven. You don't have I don't have a link
for that because it's short. So this is speak to

(29:27):
Aaron and his son saying, thus you shall bless the
people of Israel. You shall say to them, the Lord
bless you and keep you. The Lord make his face
to shine upon you, and be gracious to you. The
Lord lift up his countenance upon you and give you peace.
So shall they put my name upon the people of Israel,
and I will bless them. Okay, So moving on to
extra testamental literature of the Jews. So it's in the

(29:50):
Jewish tradition, but it is even recognized by them as
not being scriptural, but it is still historical it's indicative
of like the beliefs that they had and the things
that they were thinking about.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
Just say about those two psalms. Yeah, I think we
have a tendency to like want to address the demon
like God has given me power over you, and but
the psalms are just talking about God and how like
how he's predicting us, and the focus is completely on
him and his power and his protection of us.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
Yeah. And I can say from a personal experience that
there was one time I was trying to help someone
out who seemed like they were being oppressed by a demon,
and it wasn't really working rebuking the demon, and so
I all of a sudden in my spirit, I felt
I was supposed to kneel in the opposite direction and
just praise God, and the effects stopped. So proof that like,

(30:45):
you're waging warfare against spiritual foes, but you're not the
one doing it in your own strength. God is the
one who fights the battles and winsdoms. So all you
have to do is submit to God. Yeah. Anyway, so Tobit,
the Book of Tobit, chapters three to eight have some
interesting stuff on the demon. As Medeas, I'm probably mispronouncing
some of these names. I don't care. I'm not really

(31:06):
worried if I'm mispronouncing the name of a demon. And
so they have some interesting stuff about him, and it
kind of gives an idea of what the perception of
demons and exorcisms were around that time, Okay, which scholars
believe it originated in like the third century BC. Okay,
So if you can go to that first link from Tobitt,
starting in verse seven screen share s range shirt home,

(31:32):
just scroll down and I'll read this one just because
I know where things are supposed to end. So scrolled
down to verse seven, verse seven. Oh yes, okay. On
that very day at Ecbatana and Media, it so happened
that Raguol's daughter Sarah also had to listen to reproaches
from one of her father's maids, for she had been
given a marriage to seven husbands, but the wicked demon

(31:54):
as a medeas kept killing them off before they could
have intercourse with her as prescribed for wives. So Jesus
was like kind of reference seeing this. Yes, you're stealing
my line, but yeah, oh sorry, so no, no, you're good.
So it was actually the Sadducees were referencing this when
they said, so a woman has been married seven times
to the Yeah, this is what they're referring to. The
maid said to her, you are the one who kills
your husband's look, you have already been given a marriage
to seven husbands, but you do not bear the name

(32:15):
of a single one of them. Why do you beat
us because your husbands are dead? Go join them. May
we never see son or daughter of yours. I feel
like she beats them because they're really mean to her.
That day, Sarah was sad at heart. She went in
tears to an upstairs room in her father's house and
wanted to hang herself, but she reconsidered it, saying to herself, no,
may people never reproach my father and say to him

(32:35):
you had only one beloved daughter, But she hanged herself
because of her worse fortune. And that's what I bring
my father laden with sorrow in his old age to hades.
It is far better for me not to hang myself,
but to beg the Lord that I might die and
no longer have to listen to such reproach in my lifetime.
So I like her response of like, I'm not gonna
kill myself. That would make my dad said I'm gonna
have God kill me. Dad would be less sad about that.

(32:57):
So then we're going to go to Tobit chapter six.
That's the next link that I have. Okay, ok So,
when the young man left home, this is Tobit's kid
or so, I don't know. It doesn't matter who is
a young man. He left him accompanied by the angel,
which is Raphael. The dog following followed Tobia, and now
it went along with them. So I guess the guys
to buy him. Both journeyed along, and when the first

(33:19):
night came, they camped beside the Taker's River. When the
young man went down to wash his feet in the
Taker's river or Tigris Is it Tigris or Tigris I
would have said, Tigris Tigris river, a large fish leaped
out of the water and tried to swallow his foot.
He shouted an alarm, so fishing but opposite. But the
angel said to the young man, grabbed the fish and
hold onto it. He sees the fish and halted up
on dry land. The angel then told him slit the

(33:41):
fish open and take out its gall heart and liver,
and keep them with you, but throw away the other entrails.
It's gall, heart and liver are useful for medicine. After
Tobia had split the fish open, he put aside the gall,
heart and liver. Then he roasted part of the fish.
The rest he salt it and kept for the journey. Afterward,
the two of them traveled and traveled on together till
they drew to Media. Then the young man asked the

(34:02):
angel this question, So Riah, sorry, I lied. It's not Raphael, says, Oriah.
What medicine is in the fish's heart, liver, and gall
he answered. As for the fish's heart and liver, if
you burn them to make smoke in the presence of
a man or a woman who is afflicted by a
demon or evil spirit, any affliction will flee and never return.
As for the gal, if you apply it to the
eyes of one who has white scales blowing right into them,
site will be restored. When they had entered Media and

(34:24):
we're getting close to ek Batana, Raphael said to the
young man, Okay, so there is Raphael there. I wasn't
making that a brother, Tobiah, he answered, here I am.
Raphael continued, tonight, we must stay in the house of Reguel,
who is a relative of yours. He has a beautiful
daughter named Sarah, but no other son or daughter apart
from Sarah. Because since you are Sarah's closest relative, you,
more than any other, have the right to marry her. Moreover,

(34:47):
her father's estate is right for yours who inherit. The
girl is wise, courageous, and very beautiful, and her father
is a good man who loves her dearly. Then we
don't need to keep going on because it's just kind
of like they talk about the situation and YadA YadA
is very boring. I'm kidding with that. But so after this,
Sarah Tobia get married, and Tobia does the rituals laid
up by the angel and it works, and the demon

(35:08):
fleece the remotest part of Egypt where Raphael binds it.
So this is like an example of a Jewish exorcism. Oh,
we missed a money thing from Sata a while back.
Oh why is it not showing up? Sata? I see
that you have a rumble rant for fifty dollars, which
I thank you for. Okay, but here we go. Excuse me.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
You know I have been a fan for so long
because the Jews are paying me here's your cut. Also,
lots of dog goes on walkies on the way home.
It's nice out all it. Maybe I need to refresh
my things. I haven't s I didn't see it, but
I clicked on it where it was on the top
of the show, so I don't know why it didn't
show up in the regular.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
It was the Jews. They were suppressing him. Let me
just refresh. The last chat I see is from variable.
That's the less when I see too. It's just the
chat hates us now, which is fine, it was bound
to have. I just wonder if we're missing some chats.
If we are, let us know in chat where we
won't see it. Oh what, Uh, I'll just restart. I'll

(36:07):
reopen my page instead.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
Of I see them in Rumble Studio. A lot more
chats than is showing in. Uh so that is very strange.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
Okay, Well I'll keep an I'll keep an eye on it. Okay,
because rebel Chat is not even opening up the page again,
I do not see that is interesting and sad and hurtful.
Cool Anyway, if you guys felt offended, it is because
we were ignoring you on purpose. So abbous designated chat
watcher now so jubilees oh, okay, AGATHUSI had a question.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
So demons are not synonymous to evil spirits, but one
can be possessed by both. Is the process of expulsion
of demons the same as that of casting out our
miscellaneous evil spirits?

Speaker 1 (36:52):
So I guess like Jewish belief is maybe that they
can be both. I'm not one hundred percent sure on that.
It does seem like, at least for the context of
what we're talking about, they are evil spirits. It's just
that they can't just go off rogue without permission from God,
like we see in in Job, where the Satan is
like told, we can do all these things, but you

(37:14):
can't kill Job. Brooks says there was a failed exorcistic
episode of Blurry Creatures Oh the last month that we
should look at. They're copying me ahead of time. I'm
kidding you. Printiss says you are so missing chats Yeah,
and he says, can anyone see this? Get it together?
Rumble honestly, sorry, everybody, glad, We'm glad we found them. Wow,

(37:40):
how are you seeing them? We're seeing them in Rumble studio.
I able to see them? Or is that a thing
that I can't see not yeah, no you can't, but
I will. I'll all keep a close eye on them.
Had guys, okay, okay, but yeah, so Tobit, Yes, I
read hope it with an open mind, like this is

(38:03):
what I've done with all of the extra biblical things
that anyone accepts as Bible, whether it was the Book
of Enoch or Tobit, just reading it, like, is the
Holy Spirit in this the way that the Holy Spirit
is in the rest of Scripture, Because like I've been
reading Scripture my whole life, there's a familiarity with like
even a passage that I don't read very often, it
has that like yes in it. And Enoch I felt

(38:27):
it a little bit sometimes yeah, but other times it
was like, wait, what's going on here? And it felt
like intermittently inspired. It felt like maybe there were actual
words from a very godly man that had been like
kind of passed down and telephoned a little bit maybe

(38:49):
if ye, if that's a fair way of putting it,
to get what you mean. But Toba is like it
doesn't even read like Bible and fiction. It's just feels
like so wildly different. You can tell the author different author.
It's a different. Yeah, because that's just a human aspect

(39:11):
of you.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
Yeah, it's it's a different author, it's a different spirit,
it's a different Like fine, because when you read any
book of the Bible, even though they're penned by different people,
you can still be like, yeah, this is God's word.
I can recognize that there's something about it that is
God's word. Right, And you read Toba and you're like,
this is not written by a God. Yeah, it's it's
so different. It feels so different, And I'm like, how

(39:33):
does anyone see this as Bible?

Speaker 1 (39:35):
I don't understand. But right, and also just the absurdity
of the prescribed ritual of you know, these different parts
of the fish and then you burn it. It's very magicianish,
it's very like ritualistic. We don't see anything like that.
And how like Jesus doesn't model that for us. Obviously
he has authority to just with a word, but if

(39:56):
he's also thinking of I don't know. He does. In
the the Miracles of Healing, like the where he heals
a blind man, he does like the mud over his eyes,
which was I think some sort of reference to they
use like a self with mud in it. Oh, so
I'm going to break down of that where like there's
a reason why he was doing that was like a
reference to something.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
Well, it's like like Paul referenced famous poetry, famous Greek poetry.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
Yes, and I think it.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
Makes sense that Jesus both referenced and like had conversations
with people about some of the most famous literature of
that time. Of like, yeah, the said, just he's brought
up a story that everyone knew, not because it was Bible,
but because everyone knew it. Acenthusia said, why do I

(40:43):
continue to expect better?

Speaker 1 (40:45):
For mumble? For real? Yeah? For real? Up with you? Like,
I know you guys with you rumble because I keep
opening a new window hoping if I just reset, but
it will not let me see Chatt and I feel
so cut off. I feel blind in my left foot
and distressing me. So you guys want all say bad
things about me?

Speaker 2 (41:03):
Yeah, and he says, oh, well, I feel I can
bear my soul now and only Abby you will see it.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
That is fair. So yeah, and we see in Jubilees
there's also some a lot of talk about demonic stuff,
and Jubilees ties into Enox. So it's kind of like,
so you know how they wrote I'm trying to think
of that. It's Dracula. Bramstoker wrote Dracula, and then everyone
was like, oh, freaking vampires. And then they're all writing
about vampires, and they're kind of building the world view

(41:30):
about vampires, are building the creature based on previous legends,
et cetera. Jubilees is kind of from that time period
where I might be watching this a little bit, but
Enich had been written and everyone was like, oh, demons
are from this this period, and they really honed in
on Genesis six one to four and started writing essentially
what might be a just a ton of fan fiction

(41:52):
about it, or it could be some legitimate like thinking
through it through writing right where they are Actually they're
not just trying to entertain, but they are trying to
like square square circle, right speak corporate speak at you guys.
So Jubilees talks about the role of the demonic with
relation to the pre flood Earth and as the cause
of the flood. So some of the understanding of we
have of Enuch is through Jubilees, I think. Okay. So

(42:14):
in Jubilies, after the flood, God banishes ninety percent of
the demons, leaving only ten percent with their leader Mastema
or Mastema. Good angels teach Noah herbal medicine to cure
the ailments demons cause, along with methods to keep those
demons at bay. And according to Rabbi Jeremiah ben Eliezer
in the Talmud, and his name came up a lot,
So I get the feeling he's done like a lot

(42:34):
of writing on these sort of things. I could be wrong.
According to him, for one hundred and thirty years after
Adam's fall, he was excommunicated and spent this time fathering
demons inspectors. So this this guy is, for lack of
a better word, and I don't mean it this way exactly,
but he's like there, Michael Heiser, Oh, I yeah, is
he fothering them with Lilith? No? Because a Lilith? Well,

(42:57):
I mean maybe at this point Lilith doesn't show up
and tell pretty late in Jewish mythology. But maybe, And
when I compare him to Michael Heiser, I do think
Michael Heiser is more accurate true scripture. But that same
of like trying to think outside the box in the
spiritual realm. So and he bases this on the verse,
Adam lived one hundred and thirty years in big at

(43:19):
children in his own image. He takes it to me
before he begat children in his own image. So he
lived one hundred and thirty years before having children of
his own image. But he's had them in the meantime,
which I that's a kind of a stretch. I hope
he warmed up before that stretch. Yeah, that's funny. Yeah,
So just some some creative creative thinking. I think in
the Talmud references made to Rua ti as it the

(43:41):
demon of madness. The Jerusalem Talmud only gives three general
names for demons. We've got the maza him, the Shadim,
and we talked about the shadim in the last episode,
which is basically like foreign gods. So anytime the Bible
refers to chase after foreign gods, is that shouldn't word
or anyone who doesn't know. The Talmud is not a

(44:02):
single book. It is a like you could fill a
whole massive bookcase. I've seen pictures of it. It's a
massive amount of commentary by a whole bunch of different
people on the Old Testament. To put this in a
modern perspective for people to understand. It's like if someone
were to say, oh, I've watched Gray's Anatomy, and what

(44:22):
they've done is they've watched one episode. There's like nine
million more episodes, except in this scenario, Gray's Anatomy is
three times as long. Yes, and it has to be
understood as legal commentary, yes, Like it is that genre
of writing of people like trying to figure out the law.
Legal commentary, and I think maybe in the Midrash more

(44:44):
so just kind of like expository commentary, right, not just legal,
but like these are instances we have that kind of
relate to this and this is further like thought about it.
And there's kind of debate within the thing in terms
of like one rabbi says this, and the next rab
it was like, well actually this, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
I mean there's like infamous parts where there were that
are taken badly out of context, where the rabbis aren't
saying is pedophilia okay, they're saying, under this law, how
would this law punish this situation? It wouldn't.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
We wouldn't be able to use this law to punish pedophilia.
We would need a different law or something it's a
bad quoting, but there's things like that that are like
badly twisted. It's it's just a bunch of autistic people.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
Yeah, it's it's very autistic legal commentary.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
And there are the years. There are definitely some passages
that are wilder than others. And I've heard people being like, well,
you have to disavow the Talmud, And it's kind of
like if I were to say, you have to disavow
the writings of John MacArthur because back in the olden
days Origin said this one thing, right, Yeah, it's well,
that's the other thing is that the the Talmut is

(45:53):
not a holy book. It's not like it's a library.
It's essentially if we were to be more organized and
be like, anyone who's ever written on the topic in
an official capacity is in the same group of writing,
and we have a name for it.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
Yeah, it'd be like Warren Wiersby's commentaries and MacArthur's Study
Bible and the Schoolfield Study Bible, like all of these
and it was all the sort.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
Amount of writing. Yeah, exactly. So anyone who's been like
I've read the Talmud is lying probably lying unless they
have unless they're like fifty nine and severely autistic, and
you're like, yeah, the only person, the only person I
would believe is Benjapierro if he said he had read
the Talmud, I'd be like, Okay, he probably has if
you can read as fast as he talks, and he's
definitely had time to read it. So yeah. So in uh,

(46:37):
there's and there's also different helmuts. There's like the Jerusalem Talmud,
there's the Babylonian Talmud, the Palestinian Medrisiam whatever. It's just
the different time periods in places where the rabbis were writing.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
I keep talking, but my mouse is dead, so I'm
gonna I'm proud of you, Okay.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
So in the Jerusalem Talmud, like I said, there's only
the three general names for demons Maza, Kim, Shadim, and recot,
So they're not spending a lot of time building this
complex demonology. In the Babylonian Talmud, this is during the
Babylonian captivity, where they are kind of just like dropped
right in the middle of all of this. It actually
outright says that the beliefs that were current in Babylon
regarding damonology were ignored by the Jerusalem Talmuds. So they're

(47:16):
like calling each other out. They're like, we have seen
all this, and the Jerusalem Talmud is trying to pretend
this isn't happening, but we know it is. So for instance,
the Jerusalem Talmud and Ecclesiastes to eight translates the words
should and should not in Ecclesiastes to eight if he
keeps swearing. But okay, shidn should translates those word as carriages,

(47:37):
whereas the Babylonian Talmud translates them as male and female demons.
So we've got this Bible, how truly near Bible ahead,
and he went over to let's see, I gotta I
gotta go to YouTube to see if there is pull
up the chatty people. Yes, so when you get a chance,

(47:57):
if you can pull that, like people can see me, Wow,
my voice, it's kind of hate crybing me there. Second.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
Yes, so if if anybody wants to, I'll keep looking
at the chat over Rumble studio. But anybody who wants
to chat over on YouTube is welcome to that chat.
It's open and working. If you would like to talk
to me, you probably would like to be.

Speaker 1 (48:23):
On YouTube because for some reason I cannot access the
Rumble chat through Rumble. How you guys are able to
get on it and I'm not is kind of a
great question, and I do sort of maybe feel like
some discrimination is happening here. This is my theory. I refreshed,
and now no chats are showing. Why did you refresh? Abby?
This is your only chance to see the chat. Abby
is the worst. So now, if you guys have anything

(48:46):
important to say, no, no, no, I can still I can.
I refreshed, Rumble not Rumble, don't worry. Everything's what do
you need me to at the strong sum It's not well,
it's it is. Yes, So this is it can be
translated as many concubines, all sorts of musical instruments, or

(49:07):
something of all sorts. We've got wife, mistress, musical instrument.
It's just it isn't a word that I would say, Oh,
this can be translated as a demon. Oh yes, concubine
wife or female companion, which is how it's translated. In
our understanding is Solomon had many concubines. So it's interesting
that one talmut is saying it should be translated as

(49:29):
male and female demons, and the other one is saying carriages,
because those are both vastly different things and they're not
what we're translating it as. So, so what if Solomon
just had lots of musical instruments, He didn't actually have
three hundred concubines. He was just really autistic. No, we
have other contextual but yeah, yeah, so, but but there

(49:53):
is a lot of intertestamental what's the word lore about
Solomon and including that he used demonic power to build
the temple. And I tried to read the account to
kind of digest it for you guys, but it was
really long and I got bored, and it was just
so fantastical that I was like, Okay, this is not

(50:14):
based in any sort of oh you could possibly buy
into this conspiracy theory. It was like, somehow he had
a demon that helped him get water from India, like
just straight from India, like an aqueduct sort of situation.
And there's like a side note about this demon that's
walking around helping people, and then it explains how actually
the things that did that helped them made it worse,
and it was like, Okay, this is maybe them breaking

(50:35):
down their understanding of demonology. But the best you can
pull from this is that they really see in their
tradition that Solomon was like a great exorcist. So up
until the time of Jesus, exorcists were kind of doing
things in the name of Solomon, and he was said
to have this ring the head power over demons. I
guess huh, yeah, I got bored. But so one rabbi

(50:58):
in the Palestinian midderstim and he says Chat was killing me.
I write message, doesn't get no response. Why is Brumble
acting like a boy? I like, oh, so I just
have to pretend to not care about Rumble and then
I will be able to So time you like YouTube better? Yeah,
I do like YouTube, betty better. YouTube has more money.
YouTube has only anion its is already better than Rumble.

(51:21):
So YouTube has a six pack of beer. Yeah that's
what I said. Okay, yeah, I was excited. I was excited.
So one rabbi in the Palestinian Midrisham says that the
maza Khim, which is one of the kinds of demons
at lists, lost power when the Tabernacle was built, which
is kind of what I've been kind of talking about.
The idea of the tabernacle in the wilderness of the

(51:43):
demonic spirits lose power when God has a throne like
a footstool on earth. So Jewish interest in learning all
the aspects of the demonic seems not to have taken
off at all. And tell the Bubble and in Captivity
where they were introduced as a rorestrianism. But again I
would say it's because they just didn't have any opportunity
or need to. They wouldn't really build demonology if they
don't really interact with demons, and then later Greek and

(52:07):
Roman influence would kind of carry this understanding for their
long But actually the Old Testament does show that they
did have some understanding of the demonic, it's just that
they weren't supposed to be involved in it in any way.
There is no prescription for exorcism because those who would
be doing activities that would involve leading to demonic possession
would just be killed, like the mediums and spiritists who
aren't the ones commeding with the spirits. So if we're

(52:30):
going to go off the Old Old Testament version of exorisms,
it's just you die and then you're not possessed anymore. Yeah,
but we do have a cultural understanding of the demonic,
going all the way back to mess Mesopotamia, like Sumerian,
where the line between demon unless our God was more blurred.
And have you done a lot of reading on Sumerian

(52:52):
myths of their gods and stuff? Is kind of interesting.
I wouldn't say have done a lot. I have done some.
I like the anaki Yah, and their idea of gods
is a lot more like the Grecian understanding and less
like the Christian understanding, not just in the politism, but
in that they don't have a conception of there is
a good being rules over everything. It's there has to

(53:13):
be good and bad to balance, So you're gonna have
good God's bad gods or people who are both. So yes,
Then first Enich I went back, Sorry, I gotta The
question for Jews was in the monotheistic belief system, how
do you square the origin of demons as an evil spirit?
So they were They spend a lot of time trying
to figure out, okay, where did the evil spirits even

(53:36):
come from? Which we have kind of wrestled with for
years and years and years. Because then I forget what
time period it was. It'll be talked about in the
next episode if I get to it. The Catholics had
to decide it at some point in their official doctrine. Okay,
where do we think that demons came from? Because we
were having a lot of like different people kind of
going off for believing stuff. So we got to get
our stories straight right about like our central as doctrine,
which is where we get the idea of demons are

(53:57):
fallen angels.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
Right, It's like the Bible never actually says what they
are or where they come from, and so everyone's been
trying to like spitball, Oh they're the spirits of the Fhlem.
Oh they're this, they're falling angels or this.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
Yeah, so you can kind of go back and you
can see where they did their work, like some of
the things that would lead them to believe that, and
you can kind of come to the same conclusions. But
this is where anytime, and this is not just about this,
anytime we have a belief that is not explicitly said
in the Bible, it is good to just go back
and be like, Okay, they might have a good reason
for coming to this point, but let's let's look at
the geometrical proof for it. Because people can say just anything,

(54:35):
it would be good to know that it's grounded in scripture. Yeah,
and this is why I am.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
While I'm fascinated and continue to discuss the whole Nephlim thing,
I struggle when people are like, when you realize this
extra biblical thing that's not in the Bible, it changes
how you read the entirety of scripture.

Speaker 1 (54:53):
And I'm like, treating an extra biblical idea as a
key to understanding scripture is the exact opposite of how
we're supposed to understand scripture. We're supposed to use scripture
to understand scripture. Oh sorry, chat chat's wondering why they
can't see Annie's Annie's chatting on YouTube. She's chatting in
my mind link upload that I have. They're like, RuPaul's

(55:15):
hiding Annie from us. Well, I'm reading Annie's chats. No,
she's on YouTube, guys. Yes. I also love how in
the YouTube chat we've got little crowns with numbers next
to our names. Is that showing when we commented first? Yeah,
except both Annie and I have number one, even though
Annie was very much first and Lizz's third. Well, but
Annie's first comment is number one, and your first comment
is number two. I'm sorry, sorry, sorry reversa. Annie's first

(55:37):
comment is number two, yours is number one. Then later
she's number one. No, we're all number one. If you're
looking at my screen, she's number two at one point
at the very first comment with the first oh no,
now I'm now I have a number two. So I
don't even know anymore. Let's not come by the numbers,
because it seems like, oh no.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
No, okay, it's not saying it's top fans. So YouTube
must have instituted this when I wasn't paying attention. But
it's it goes by XP. So it I am number
two raided in the chat, and you're number three rated
in the chat, and Annie is number one rated in
the chat. I'm surprised I'm even that high because I

(56:20):
am barely ever interacting with it myself on the show
on YouTube anyway, Moving on, so, like I was talking,
is that me talking?

Speaker 1 (56:31):
Yeah? Sorry, I I I keep you keep playing and
it's inception.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
I muted the site so that won't happen again. I
don't think that they're hearing that. I think it was
just you.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
It's just me hearing voices. You could have just pretended
that there was no Yeah, what's that face for? Oh,
I'm just checking to make sure the meat was on.
I thought you realized something like horrifying, and I was like, oh,
fill me in. It was it was like I wasn't
wearing clothes this whole time. You could not have mentioned
that sooner. Is that what was going on? You have
an entire jar of manning. No, that's it's just my
emotional support manaise. I was talking to someone earlier where

(57:03):
I was like, I have a little container that I
pull out with my lotion and I just like put
them on. And it would have been really funny if
I put it on and then they're like, oh, lotion
and I'm like, no, Mayonnai's just mayonnaise. My hand mayonnaise.
Want some? So anyway, first Enuch, because there's three different Enuchs.
I've only read the first one. The second tour written
in different areas, in different time periods. They're not the

(57:24):
same author, they're not connected. When you first Enuch is
the one we can take seriously with any sort of
degree of seriousness. The other two are just like out
in left field somewhere. So when when we talk about Enuch,
we're just talking about First Nuck, So First Nick and
Jubilees may have been an attempt by the intertestamental Jewish
writers to sort of film the gaps of their understanding

(57:45):
between what God did reveal to them through scripture and
what culture is around them believed. Which that's where things
get a little dangerous, because it can start to be like, well,
God didn't include this, so you have all this room
to kind of play around with ideas that may or
may not be a biblical but also it might be
the God didn't include this because it's not important for
you to know all the little business.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
I think that it's so easy to fall into this
really really struggle with it, because a culture has all
this wisdom and knowledge and lore about demons and how
they impact your life, and you're like, I want to
understand my enemy.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
I want to know my enemy.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
I don't want to know how to defeat my enemy.
And God has just given us nothing, almost nothing other
than just believe in me and trust in me and
stand still and see the salvation of the Lord.

Speaker 1 (58:30):
It starts to feel like the forbidden fruit of the
tree of knowledge of good and evil, Like there's this thing,
there's this knowledge God has chosen not to give it
to me, but I'm going to go and get it anyway.
I'm just going to get it from a different source
because god, you know, yeah, has has left me at
a loop. I'm just trying to see a chat will
shoup on my phone? No it will not, So Chad
is just being a peepy poop poo Anyway.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
Yeah, I after all the issues we've had with Rumble
in the past year, but especially in the past month,
on top of the fact that Rumble continues to push
the really bad people Rumble both on like Rumble itself,
and I've seen Chris Pavlovski pushing things Rubble CEO on Twitter,

(59:17):
like pushing lies about the tapes case being dismissed when
it's not. And maybe he's just following, yeah, maybe just
believing bad things. But I and a good friend of
mine who had been working for Rumble was let go.
And I don't know the circumstances behind that. I should
say not say good friend of mine, because if we

(59:40):
were that close, I would know those circumstances. But I
just more and more feel like this is not a
company I'm actually super happy about being aligned with, which
sucks because I want to be in this free speech
camp and I don't want to like run back to YouTube.

(01:00:01):
But if it's a binary choice between YouTube and Rumble,
and Rumble's not actually yeah, the like principled thing that
I would like to throw myself behind, and.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
They keep screwing us over. I don't know, guys. It's
like when it used to be that it was a
really clear choice of do we like opression or do
we like freedom? Freedom? Right? And now it's like, do
we like oppression or do we like hot garbage depression?
No offense, Chris, but actually some offense. Some offense meant
in fact, pull up, bro pull up, just get immediately banned.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
Yeah, Rumble if Rumble was actually like seeming to really
it seems like they traded. We want to give everybody
a place to speak freely, for we are going to
simp so hard for the worst people.

Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
Yes, And there was the whole fiasco when we were
in the Creator's program. Immediately after getting in the Creator's
program in Rumble, and this happened with a bunch of
other people who were in the program, our views tanked.
It was it felt like they changed the metric for
counting views, so they wouldn't have to pay us for
as many views, And they said it was because when
Dan Bongino left the platform, a bunch of traffic left,

(01:01:16):
which may or may not be true, but it left
a sour taste that hasn't gone away because of the
things that have also happened.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
Yeah, and there's yeah, there's other stuff too. Yes, we've
tried so hard to communicate in our point of contact
is really nice, but nothing happens and nothing changes and
nothing gets better. And we'll reach up to support to
ask them to fix something that's gone wrong and they'll
just completely ghost us. And it's like we've been putting

(01:01:46):
content on your platform for years.

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
Yes, we bring a whole two people over, guys, Come on, No.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
We've brought like legitimate traffic to the website. We don't
have like as far as Rumble accounts go.

Speaker 1 (01:01:59):
We're last. I checked the rankings, which is a while ago,
to be fair, but we were in like the top
five hundred or something. We're in the top five hundred,
but I probably not anymore. I don't know. But I
don't even know how you check a ranking. Yeah, I
don't remember. Actually, it was like a separate site and
I think that it oh anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
But yeah, that's neither here nor there. But anyway, I
am curious, like, do we like YouTube better at this point?
I think they have calmed down with the censorship. I
think across the board Elon's example with Twitter has kind
of fallen out. Meta has kind of followed suit.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
I do like the ability to be like, we can
have a platform. We know we'll not deplatform us if
I say something crazy, and maybe we just change where
the primary chat's happening. Yeah, continue streaming to Rumble, but
not put a little more emphasis on YouTube interaction.

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
Yeah, but at some point we might stop using Well,
this wouldn't affect the audience at all, but like it
might make sense to stop using Rumble Studio and stream
out through restream instead.

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
That's fine, yeah, yeah, because restream won't dump us, Midstream
will lay It's never happened before anyway, sorry, so uh yeah,
So the idea of the forbidden knowledge trying to fill
in the gaps because because anything that we're not given
is really really tantalizing. But it also can come from
the idea of maybe God was a little bit wrong,

(01:03:33):
because these people are all saying this and they're saying
this with a lot of confidence. Yeah, maybe God forgot
to give us something really important or maybe, you know,
maybe they're right about Like I see this in modern
America too, of the idea of well you have society
pushing really really hard for certain things, and some people,

(01:03:53):
instead of being like, well, let's use God's word as
the final say, instead kind of try to pretend that
they see it that way. They try to force God's
word to say something on a topic like let's say abortion.
You could get someone who who kind of wants to
have both things to have their cake and eat it too. Mm.
And so they want they want to say that they're

(01:04:13):
following in the Bible, but they want this other thing,
and so they have to try to make the other
thing be okay in the Bible or fit with the Bible.
Like well, maybe God just you know, he created these
plants that you can eat that are a border fashions,
so obviously, like you know, and you can go on
this trail that you have to be honest, it is
not honoring to God. But I can see how people
will try to, instead of rejecting the world, try to

(01:04:36):
make the world fit into the Bible or the other
way around.

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
Well, he created these plants that can kill people, so
it's okay to kill people, to kill people, right like
I can. I can do murder with plants as all
as it's with plants, right, Yeah, bad to do it
with guns because God didn't make guns.

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
Yes, did you know? Abby? So all the atoms in
the world, they don't touch each other. So if the
atoms were to like actually touch each other, it would
kind of go like splow explode. And so even though
like we are physical objects, if you actually like expand
things out to to kind of get a view, all
of the atoms are like you're your mostly empty space
comparatively speaking compared to atoms, and so you could really

(01:05:14):
just say that no one has ever actually truly touched anything.
So what I'm trying to say, officers that I did
not hit that many anyway, that'll hold up big court.
I'm sure, what is it gonna judge're gonna do bang
his gavel. It's not gonna touch the desk anyway. Lock
you in jail, it's not a solid thing something, Yeah, exactly.

(01:05:38):
The bars can't hold you back exactly. So we do
have the intertestinmental Jewish writers of like first se Nick
and Jubilees, who are trying to square the circle that way. However,
we do have rabbinic and mystical Judaism that kind of
goes off on its own tangent, doing its own thing
to try to explain what's going on. So the mid
Rash does depict angels as having moments of will, but

(01:06:01):
in later Jewish literature we see it kind of drops
the idea of fallen angels that rebelled against God, and
instead it's kind of replaced by the idea of demons
show up on the twilight of the sixth Day, because
that was when Adam and Eve sinned, which the best
is I can understand it that this seems to directly
contradictory to the Bible. So it's basically teaching that God
didn't explicitly create demons, but that our sin creates them.

(01:06:25):
But we know that anything that exists is created by God.
Like the Bible says that Rabbi Eliezer we talked about
him earlier. He's he's that one who talks about all
the demonic stuff, the guy. He's the guy he taught
that the majority of demons were the souls of those
killed by the flood, so that we that's again kind
of if you're going the route of all the people
were killed by the flood because they were nephlom yea,

(01:06:46):
you'd also kind of it would follow from there. Yeah,
So I'm just kipping ahead of my notes because I
kind of jumped the gun earlier. So in babylon Incactivity,
we learn a little bit more or what their idea
of demon demonology was, and they kind of considered everything
to be demon invested, so they believe that there was

(01:07:07):
literally everything had its own corresponding demon. Every tree, every
part of the house, they all have the rules that
you have to follow about these specific things, the specific
instructions so that you don't run into them. So this
is a quote from I believe it's the Babylonian mid Russiam.
If the eye could see them, no one could endure them.
They surround one on all sides. They are more numerous

(01:07:27):
in humans. Each person has a thousand on his left
and ten thousand on this right, which I think is
a reference to do we have more interesting comment?

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
Oh Bunny thought I think we said that Chat was
being peee poopoo, and Bunny.

Speaker 1 (01:07:41):
Was like, oh, baby poo poo and AnGR and so
this is like, no, it's rumbled, it's pee poopoo, not you,
but the software of chat is being pee poopoo. You
are being lovely, bon Bun. I can't see what you're doing,
but I'm assuming it's lovely. Variable is being peee poopoo.
Was that out loud? But yes, so brun bantom, we

(01:08:01):
love you if you would like to interact with me.
I am on YouTube for some reason, I'm locked out
of pe b booboo chat, which is why I said
that it was. It was hurtful in my anger. So
and then we have Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
It's back, oh ah, larvy, Hello, Hell is back?

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
Okay? I uh yeah, it's not back for me. I refresh, No,
is it okay? I'm so back, everybody. It has never
been more back, never ever been more back. So I
hope that you guys said super naughty things about me
and awful mean things that now I can go back
and read anyway. So so talbotic literature, Yes, so you

(01:08:47):
feel me? Yes, Talmudic literm Talmudic literature. Unlike in Kapala
kabbala I. Earlier today we were trying to count the
money in the vault, and I was I could picture
the number one thousand, three hundred and seventy and I
would not figure out how to say it correctly. So
I turned to my partner, my partner, my coworker, I'm
not romantically involved with her, and I said, okay, seventy,

(01:09:11):
So that was that was my I was like, did
I hit in my head today and I just don't
remember it because I hit it really hard? And she
was like, no, I think she's lying. So anyway, I'm
liking Kabala Kabbala Talmutic. I'm liking Kamala Harris Tumutic literature
doesn't try to create a coherent system of demonology, which
I think it was something I was gonna say earlier

(01:09:33):
I got side tried by who knows what. At this
point is that I don't think we really need to
try to break down well, this kind of demon does this,
and this demon et cetera. This because we can have
a binary of there's demons and there's not demons, and
if it's demons, they're under the authority of God, and
like we pray against them and God's authority. Pe Like,
we don't need to have all of this information. Also,
who is saying funny and he's back in the rubble

(01:09:56):
chat me running back to my eggs, my tail between
my life. It is a citizens I no, it brought
me variable five packs. Shut it down. Ah, six seven.
I don't get that meme I have. I see, that's
how it started. Point of it is that no one
understands what it means. I just assumed it was a

(01:10:19):
better really tall dude. Actually I missed an opportunity to control.
I could have said I assumed it was about kind
of a shorter guy. Six seven is kind of short,
kind of short anyway. So the tumultic literature doesn't try
to create a coherent system of demonology, but they do
have some system. So they've got asthmadeas as King of Demons,
and then they've got Agrath bat Mahalaf as Queen of Demons.

(01:10:42):
Interesting that it's not little at least in this example.
She has ten thousand demon attendants, all of them dangerous,
and in this babblel In the in period, it was
considered bad luck to do anything in pairs, like drinking
two cups of wine, because for some reason that invites
the demon to join. So you have to have three. Yeah.
I love this. I even remember I would have taken
it the other way. I would have been like, well,

(01:11:03):
if you have three, it's inviting someone to come and
make it even But I guess they don't think like
I do, which is unacceptable. Oh but they did make
an exception for the four cups of wine it passed over,
since passovers was considered to be like a protected kind
of day. Okay, and in this lore we do see
in p. Ninety one six ketev yes should so horror,
I am depicted as a demon with goat horns and wings.

(01:11:26):
So so ninety one six that first, I'm going to
just google that real quick, because I didn't drop that
down because I kind of assumed, uh, we have it pulled. Yeah,
we In my conception, if this is the two parter,
it would have made sense. So this is the verse,
nor for the pestilence that walketh in the darkness, nor
for the destruction that wasteth at noonday. So one of
those things, either the pestilence or with the destruction, is

(01:11:46):
considered a demon. We talked about this more in the
first episode, so if you look more condex there, it
is that creature is depicted as a demon with goat
horns and wings, and then uh in Deuteronomy thirty two
thirty four. Again, I'm gonna have to look that up.
Deuteronomy thirty two twenty four. Is that what I said?
I wasn't paying attention to myself by stuff. Usually just

(01:12:09):
have two cups. Now I have to have three. Yep,
dang it, I have to. You don't understand, like I
don't want to demon. I have to drink this extra
bottle of vodka. I had to. I need a third one.
So Deuteronomy thirty two twenty four talks about sending the
beasts and the bitter teeth of destruction by pestilence. I'm
paraphrasing this because I'm looking Interliner Bible, which is not
in any sort of understandable order, but it's talking about destruction, pestilents,

(01:12:35):
that sort of thing. And so they believe that this
sort of creature that's talked about, they referred to as
ketev Marri, was said to be active in the mornings
as well as other distinct periods. So it's just the
kind of have this. They've sort of started to adopt
the Babylonian conception of demons. It's like, Okay, so we've
got these rules concerning them, and these are the times
they're active, and this is when you see them, and
this is what you do, et cetera, et cetera. And

(01:12:57):
I don't think any of this is really truly accurate.
I think that if any thing, if I were a
demon and I wanted to make people more oppressed, I
would give them OCD like this, right, But that's not
a confession in any quarter. Is that not?

Speaker 3 (01:13:09):
Is it not?

Speaker 1 (01:13:11):
Nope? I am not. So this is interesting. I don't
want to reference Kabla too much because I feel like
it doesn't give me the understanding of what the Jewish
beliefs about exorcism were around the time of Jesus. But
it is worth noticing. It is worth mentioning. I mean,
I lost my notes in Kabbola, demons are surrounded by

(01:13:32):
a frightening coldness, which we do see that in our
modern conception of demons, where there's like a cold spot. Yes,
And I remember we talked in I think it was
the ghost episodes. We talked about some of the experiences
at some of the apartments we lived at, and there
was one apartment where there was some oppression and there

(01:13:53):
was a cold spot that went away. The cold spot
went away when I had someone come in prayer over
the house. So that is interesting in that connection. But anyway,
that's not a copla. This is like scientific scientific and
just like observation. Yeah yeah, sou. But they then they
go left field Sokabla. In Kabla, they considered or they

(01:14:13):
believe that demons were generated by spilled semen nighttime emissions.
And you see this at animism in Western West Africa,
like every coast animism, this idea of you have to
guard any emission because the demons are right there trying
to get it fur their on purposes to have power
over you. M uh. And so it makes you sort

(01:14:34):
of wonder is this is this a crazy thing they've
made up, or is there some experience that they have
or this is the closest tie. This is sort of belief.
Also mirrors the roles of succuby and incubi in like
the medieval time period, So there is this consistent recurring
sexual element to interactions with demons, whatever that may be. Uh,
Spencer posted something.

Speaker 2 (01:14:54):
Let me just post it on real quick because I
should have sent it to you, but It was so
f fascinating because it's basically kind of a similar thing
that we've been saying basically, but he said it from
like a he's a like actual class assist Spencer Claven.

Speaker 1 (01:15:10):
Yeahature and switch. Okay, So he is quoting here from
an article from Harper's. Okay, this is the quote.

Speaker 2 (01:15:24):
You can think of the pornosexual as a species of
voluntary celibate or voll cell. Like a val cell, the
pornosexual chooses not to have sex. Unlike a vaal cell.
The pornosexual does so because their sexual needs are entirely
met by pornography, which not a few of them conceive
as a kind of entity or goddess requiring absolute and

(01:15:44):
daily enacted fealty. Entity and goddess are in quotes, and
so he he has a picture of Shtar here he
says masturbation addicts often conceive of pornography as a kind
of entity or goddess requiring absolute and daily enact to feelty.
Not Zoomer's reverse engineering the cults of aprodite in Ishtar,

(01:16:04):
when the prophets say put away your astroths, this is
what they mean.

Speaker 1 (01:16:08):
In terastic, it's fascinated by that it calls to mind,
like the conceptions of like spirit cooking and all all
of that stuff of like there is a sort of
a certain well even just like the idea of cult prostitute.
So something about the act of sex as a worship. Yeah,
it is. It is curious. It's one of the things
where it's like, it's fascinating, But I also don't want
to know too much because like, yeah, I value whatever

(01:16:28):
shreds of innocence I have remaining. Yeah. So, unlike in
the Talmud, in Kabbola, demons can appropriate on their own
without using humans. So the Talmud believes that they can
approcreate on their own. In Kabola they can't. Okay, oh oh,
I take that back. In the Talmud, demons can p
propriate with themselves. In Kabola they have to have humans.

(01:16:50):
Oh I see I said that backwards. What were you
gonna say? Remind me what kabbala is exactly. It's basically
Jewish mysticism. So it's let me look up the Uh
when did it develop in in Babylon? I'm not sure
I can. I can tell you. It's so it's an
esoteric method. It's like esotericism. Jewish mysticism, so it's just

(01:17:13):
like the Jewish version of the same, like esotericism that's
kind of everywhere. Yeah, and there's two kinds of kapla.
There'skabala with a K and Kabbala with a C. So
there's the Jewishkabla which is with the K, and then
the one with the sea is actually sort of like
Christian mysticism hijacked Jewish mysticism and it kind of made

(01:17:36):
its own thing. And one of their writings is like
the Zohar. I'm trying to find the time period. It
kind of looks like, so the most famous work, the Zohar,
is from the thirteenth century, and then we've got some
stuff that shows up in like the eighteenth century. I'm
gonna look up when did Kabla start? If you could
keep talking while I'm looking, Yeah, because like I hear,
it brought up a lot as like my little corner

(01:18:00):
of Twitter's just super toxic. So I don't think this
is any type of mainstream view, but the existence of
Kabola and its teachings is kind of brought up a
lot as like an indictment on Jews in general, and
it just seems to be like kind of a niche. Yeah,
it esoteric cult and it's like, okay, well that everybody

(01:18:23):
has those, every nation has those. It's like if I
were to say all Christians are bad because of Freemasons. Yeah,
like that doesn't make so. Kabola it had its roots
in some older Jewish mysticism, but as its own thing,
it began in the late twelfth century, so it really ties.
It really lines up, sorry with the time period of
the Templars such like, oh so a lot later than

(01:18:45):
I would have thought. Okay, yeah, so it is not Babylonian. Yeah, yeah,
I guess so, but it might have some roots and
some things that came from Babylon and understanding. But it
is also kind of done when people are like blame
Jews for blame everything about Coabla and the Jews because
there's like so many more from before.

Speaker 2 (01:18:59):
Saty's absolutely right, Katala is like narcissism for Jews. Like
everybody has theirsm like their gnostic cult, like every single.

Speaker 1 (01:19:08):
Yes, culture made you. Brook says, I used to live
in a haunted house with a porn addict. Yes, uh
a lot. I repeat myself A lot of my experience
in houses where it was not my doing, but living
with someone who did do porn, there was an accept
to which I felt like, we are always followed by

(01:19:29):
this thing, because you are always bringing it with you
when we go yep, And because I now live in
a place that doesn't have that, so I know I'm
not the common denominator. Even though I do the blood
ritrol every day, I bought that for a moment, did
I say anything embarrassing? Yes? Okay, that's fine. So uh okay. Yes.

(01:19:52):
So they Kabbala believes that demons cannot procreate with themselves,
it seems like Talmud actually believes that demons can have
their own genielogies like their their families. They live, they die,
they're they're basically like just a different form of being
with their own life cycles, I guess. But in the Zohar,
which is the Kabala text, it teaches that evil men

(01:20:12):
become mazcum, which is a kind of demon, when they die.
We see this reflected in certain extra biblical stuff like Supernatural,
where if if you're really bad, when you die, you
become a demon. It's like the reverse of if you're
if you go to them when you die, you're an angel.
That's sort of weird thing, okay. And there is some
debate about the name Asthmadeas, which is also sometimes sprien

(01:20:33):
Ashma Dai, because some argue that it's it's just a
title like pharaoh, so it's not referring to one king
of demons who's been around this whole time, but that
it is basically like, oh, a king, just whoever's in
charge of that time. And apparently it's numerically equivalent in
Gymetria to the title pharaoh, which is why, oh interesting,

(01:20:54):
And we have both in Jewish and Arabic demonology genealogies
of demons like they're so I don't know, that doesn't
mean anything about what demons they're actually like, because again
this is all extra biblical stuff, and it could just
be humans being like I'm gonna try to understand things
through the conception of humans, and so I'm gonna give
them all these human attributes, and they could just be
completely different. And I would argue anyone who's learning their

(01:21:16):
demonology from experiences with demons, specifically learning them from demons,
gonna be lied to I would not get any any
theological stuff from demons. Anytime a demon is like oh yeah,
this thing scares me or I'm this way. I always
think a bar rabbit who's like, oh yea, I no, no,
don't put me in the brier patch. That would be
very awful. And then he's started to the brier patch,

(01:21:37):
which is exactly his habitat, and he survives. I would
not go to someone who comes from the Father of
lies and expect truth.

Speaker 2 (01:21:45):
It does like raise like what if these are just
beings that are living alongside of us. They're not creating
God's image, and they have their own like they're not eternal,
they have their own genealogies. It would be interesting if
they were just like so much less interesting than anyone.

Speaker 1 (01:22:06):
And they probably are. Like there's a reason why God
didn't give us all the information, and sometimes we can
see it's like because it's this juicy stuff, he doesn't
want us to know. And sometimes it's like maybe he's
just it would be so boring it would make our
eyes bleed. Reading those passages, it does make me wonder
if like we're actually talking about the same thing when
we talk about demons and fairies and all that of
like something that sometimes can be more physical and sometimes

(01:22:30):
can be less in the YouTube chat. I probably miss
us a while ago. Variable said animism is the belief
that inanimate objects of souls. After working in it for
so long, I'm beginning to believe it is that. But
it's also very much strongly like the demonic aspect. It's
the crossover is all these objects of souls and the
souls are demons, yes, and they do demonics anything.

Speaker 2 (01:22:53):
So, and it does make you wonder too, of like
how much demon stuff has gotten worse over the years
because more and more of these beings have rebelled.

Speaker 1 (01:23:06):
Or the population is grown. What if there's so many
demonic possessions in uh the biblical period because they had
a baby boom and I intentionally parallel demons with baby boomers. Yes,
that was intentional. Hey mom my dad, who are both

(01:23:27):
heavy boomers. Anyway, before I dig my whole land deeper,
we do find sort of demon incantation bowls, which are
like bowls with various spells on them to protect inhabitants
of the home from the supernatural. So this is like
the intertestiment Intertestamental period onward. So it very much becomes
witchcraft at a certain point. They're like amulets, so they're

(01:23:48):
not a straight up exorcism, but it's the modern equivalent
would be in the Catholic Church, they will like inscribe
exorcisms on things like we talked about, Oh, I don't
remember what an episode it us. It was the Freemason's
One Narcissism discussion. There's the obelisk that was brought into

(01:24:08):
like the Vatican Square and put up and they inscribed
an exorism on the bottom, like exercises. So like this,
this kind of concept of we are putting in in
an inanimate object like a set in stone exorcism thing
is like a word against it. Yeah. Yeah, you never
see any of this in the Bible. You never see
any The closest thing that you could come and it
would have to be mental gymnastics is like the philactories

(01:24:30):
with God's word in it on their foreheads. But that's
God's word, not an incantation to And it's still a
misreading of what God actually, yesked, which is that God
wants you to be so completely in his word that
it's just written on your forehead and it's written on
your arm right hand. Yeah he didn't. They didn't mean

(01:24:52):
where jewelry weird jewelry on your forehead on your hand
with scripture in it. M hm okay, So I had
to very important comment. Yes, Gipsprisa said demon boomers, that
is correct. So so you have these these bowls, some
more specific like there is one found with a spell

(01:25:15):
intended to exercise the home. My understanding is that this
one is from the second century. I think a d
I'm ne hundred percent sure and this so this is
me quoting it. Be informed herewith that Rabbi Joshua bar
para hot para Haya has sent the ban against you.
A divorce writ has come down to us from heaven,
and therein has found written your advertise or advisement and

(01:25:37):
your intimidation in the name of Palsia Palissa, which means
divorce or divorced. Who renders to the thy divorce and
thy separation, your divorces and your separations, Thou Lilith, male
Lili Lili and female Lilith hagen snatcher, be under the
ban of Joshua bar Parahyah, who has thus spoken a
divorce writ has come for you from across the sea.
Hear it, and depart from the house and dwelling of

(01:25:58):
this gay and I bar Mamai, and from Rashoi his wife,
the daughter of Marath. You shall not again appear to them,
either in a darrum by night or in a slumber
by day, because you are sealed with the signet and
of el Shadai, and with the signet of the House
of Joshua bar Parahyah, and by the seven who are
before him, that lilith male Lili and female lilith hagans
snatch or. I adjure you by the strong one of Abraham,

(01:26:18):
by the Rock of Isaac, by should I of Jacob,
by Yah his name, by Yah his memorial. I addore
you to turn away from this Gayonai bar Mamai, and
from Reshnoy his wife, the daughter of Mareth, your divorce
and written letter of separation sent through holy angels. The
hosts of fire in the sphere is the chariots of
l Penim before him standing the beasts worshiping in the
fire of is thrown in in the water a men
a man say lah Hallelujah. And this text is translated

(01:26:41):
by Raphael Patai in nineteen seventy eight in his work
The Hebrew Goddess. So this feels like a legal document
of like it's it's framed as a divorce, which is
kind of interesting, Yeah, because if it's referencing Lilith, which
is kind of like in this period I think seen
as like a succubath thing, sucubist thing, incubus and succubas' situation.
There's that like sexual aspect, that marriage aspect where it's

(01:27:02):
considered like a divorce to exercise. Ooh interesting, and it's
like these are the legal what's the word, uh, when
something has president, these are the legal precedents for why
you have to go et cetera, et cetera. And it
does kind of remind me of speaking of animism and

(01:27:23):
like the West African animism in like Ivory Coast where
we used to live. They have this idea of you
have a spiritual spouse. I don't know if everyone does
or if it's just a thing that can happen, but
basically you have this demonic entity who visits you in
your sleep and has this relationship with you, and I
believe it usually is sexual, and they are often very
jealous of your physical spouse. Oh and there was one

(01:27:46):
video I saw I wish I had saved it. I
don't think I saved it where basically this it's it's
a modern video obviously, and this woman is being proposed to.
She's she's African. It's clearly like in Africa, and she's
like really excited at first, and she seems to freak
out really weirdly, and a lot of people were reading
it's like, wow, she just can't control her emotion. She's
so excited. But it was like she's handed the ring

(01:28:06):
and then she's like, he's going to put the ring
on her finger, and she keeps pulling back and then
she starts like yelling and sort of attacking people as
I was like, no, this isn't because she's like overcome
with joy. This is her spirits that I was trying
to take over and rejecting the physical advance. I was like,
that's interesting and terrifying. Moving on, well, I mean that
calls into question like masturbation of like is that a

(01:28:29):
relationship with it's because that's the Bible doesn't explicitly condemn masturbation,
and yet it seems to be something we kind of
like know isn't good. It's like they didn't need to
condemn it because it was kind of already understood at
the time feeling I probably yeah, Well because in the
idea of like the spirit's best sort of thing of

(01:28:53):
like the emissions being used against you. Even if you
have like what's it called a wet dream or something,
sure the demon can jump and take that and have
power against you. So I think just the understanding of
you wouldn't just casually, you know, ejaculate. So yes, this
has been fun fact science hour. Okay, we have to

(01:29:15):
know because Grincis says, I can't help but think of
Alex Jones when I hear inkeep his suckiness and sato
this is do I want to know why you associate
aj was sex because I associate Tucker Carlson was sex
demons after he said he got scratched in his sleep.

(01:29:36):
But and it definitely wasn't his dog scratched him that
were in bed with him that he said freaked out
when this demon came to I'm pretty sure it was
just Candace who had been heiny Ander's bed. Do not
see me, Candace, because you have better things to do
with your time, like therapy, like oh, he had a
song super cut according to Grinsciss, so he did something

(01:29:58):
related to all that dropped link for that in the
chat if you're able to, I don't feel like you
have to. It's not on my account, on Sator's account. Yeah, so, Movi,
this episode is taking a turn. Yeah, let's get back.
This has definitely been an interesting episode. I do think
it's the only thing I will say is that I
think you're right that there are there are things that
we used to understand had more meaning than they do

(01:30:21):
now and now we're like, oh, it doesn't matter, blah
blah blah like that. The argument for homosexuality being okay
is like, oh, but these the context of these verses
was talking about temple prostitution and all that, and that
means it's okay as long as it's not temple prostitution.
I'm like, no, yeah, it's always temple prostitution. Like yeah,

(01:30:43):
that those things are intertwined in scripture, that it's intertwined
with talking about idolatry and that sort of thing. When
you go outside of the created order you were following it,
it is necessarily in service to a false God. People
like the think, well, I can serve myself, and it's
the Bible's a very clear you either serve God or

(01:31:04):
you serve Satan, and there's not this other secret third option.
So if you're not serving God, you are just by
default serving this other being. Also, this is something that
like take it with a grain of salt, because I
feel like there's going to be exceptions. There's exceptions to
every rule, including that thing I just said about their
being exceptions to every rule. And it's that if you

(01:31:25):
have like a hitch in your spirit about something, even
if you don't have like a set verse you can
point to the Bible does talk about also like different
liberties that different believers has. We're basically it's wrong for
one person to do something, but not necessarily wrong for
the other, Like in the context of like if your
conscience is hurting you over something, then don't do it.
And this is something to be careful about because you

(01:31:46):
can easily go into legalism of like, well, my content
said it's bad to eat food. Ever, and it's like, well,
maybe your conscience needs in tuning, but in general, very
careful general terms, if your gut is saying this is
a dangerous path, right, don't act out of fear, but
do out of WHI is caution of like there might
be a reason why my intuition is saying this. I
don't know yet. It's something to look into further. But

(01:32:06):
if you're if your a spirit is saying, I just
don't think this would be wise, right, don't feel like
you have to do it. I don't know if this
is I think.

Speaker 2 (01:32:14):
People have a tendency to be like, well, my conscience
won't let me drink alcohol. Therefore no one can drink alcohol,
and everybody has to do. And it might just be
that God's.

Speaker 1 (01:32:24):
Like, you know you because drink alcalol, what you would
do on it, like when you drink alcohol you break
out in handcuffs. That's not my epistle, but something that
might be tangentially related is to the to the whole conversation.
Apparently there was a study done where they had two
groups of people. One group wore sweatsuits and they worked

(01:32:46):
one on treadmills, so they get really really sweaty on
the treadmill. And then one group wore sweatsuits and did skydiving,
so they are early really sweaty skydiving. And then they
took a third group of people and they gave them
like they put them in an fMRI, which kind of
looks at all your brain's responses to stuff. It's not
just an MRI, it's like an emotion MRI. It's like
seeing what your brain is activated. And they had them
smell the sweat samples without knowing what was from. Oh yeah,

(01:33:09):
they had no reaction to the sweat samples assume like
asaid from disgust to the ones from the people working out,
But the ones from the people who were skydiving, they
had a fear response in their brain. They did not
know they were supposed to. This was not like a
suggested thing. It was there something in the sweat that
you cannot put a finger to be like, oh, yes,
this smells like fear, but there is now your high

(01:33:31):
end brain knows. So this is why I say, you know,
it is important to trust your gut because there are
things about your coding that God has coded you in,
like coded into you right, that do guide you. And
it's one of those things where we do have to
balance you know, your brain and your instincts. One can't
supersede the other and they have to inform the other.
So when you run into someone and you're like, I
don't know why, but they gave me this really sick

(01:33:51):
feeling of my gut, you're probably picking up on something
that you can't consciously put a finger to. So when
you have a hitch in your spirit about something like
I think this thing is wrong, I can't explain to
you why it might be that the part of you
that is like really basic at the hind brain is
sensing why it's wrong. Right, And what you need to
do is calibrate yourself to not have false positives for stuff. Yeah. Yeah,

(01:34:14):
So this has been fun fact science hours, Liz, I
like it. I like you. So another exorcism in Jewish stuff.
This one is from the late medieval period. It's from
Shashan yesad Halm. It's a it's a Hebrew magical manual
from the late Mids. Are going to make me any
sent by the end of the Jewels, She's like, I

(01:34:37):
don't want to have to say any of these names ever. Again,
the real cause for antisemitism is just not wanting to
explain that you don't understand how to pronounce it. So
to remove a demon from the body of a man
or woman, this is a quote or anything into which
a male or female demon has entered. Take an empty
flask and a white waxen candle and recite this adjuration impurity.
I adjure you the pure and holy angels Michael Gabriel, Shuville, Hadriel, Zoomteal, Yeah,

(01:35:01):
Cutriel zoomed Seal, etcetera. There's seventy two names. We're not
listening them all because I don't have them all. I
enjoy you by the seventy two names. You all the
retinus of spirits in the world. But i'le la Couche
and all your retinue, cap Cafuni, the Queen of demons,
and all your retinue, and a grat Batmacott and all
your retinue, and Zmummut and all your retinue, and those
that were made on the eve of the Shabbat, that

(01:35:23):
you bring forth that understand that we think referenced like
the sixth Day, that you bring forth that demon immediately,
and do not detain the magic of so and so,
and tell me his name in this circle that I
have drawn in your honor. Immediately they will tell you
his name, and the name of the father, and the
name of his mother. Allowed you not fear. So this
idea of knowing their names gives you power. The more
I see precedent of it in this secular style. I mean,

(01:35:45):
they believe they're doing the name of God. But the
secular style exorcism. The more I'm like, this is a
red herring for how we need to actually approach exos
to change my notes, I don't know how to do.

Speaker 2 (01:35:54):
Okay, Variable says there was a study that showed hormonal
birth control modified that response to the sweat I'm assuming
he's talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:36:01):
Yeah, it also makes yeah, as Berg is saying, it
also makes women go for more feminine men. The kind
of fair ones that you find attractive change.

Speaker 4 (01:36:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:36:07):
So way that you smell, Yeah, which makes sense because
the way that you smell during pregnancy changes, and hormonal
birth control is telling your body that you're pregnant.

Speaker 1 (01:36:15):
So you don't want someone who's gonna impregnant you because
you're already pregnant. Yes, No, maybe some you want someone
who's more maternal. I did well, well when naturally your
pregnancy hormone will alter your partner's testoster on level. Okay,

(01:36:37):
so I think that that has something to do with it.
But yeah, that's a whole different because I'm gonna say,
when you're ovulating, you want your body wants someone who
can like, do something about it, right, But when you're
not ovulating, you don't create that same type of person. Sure,
but but I would say if it is throwing off
how you perceive people, it would explain why so many
women are talking about how all the men they date
are horrible. If if if their birth control is blocking

(01:36:58):
their ability to sense like the bad signs, it's like
they're It's like women had this sense that God gave
them to weed out the bad guys, but we've blocked
that sense with our Oh, that'd be interested, says The
women on birth control had a heightened fear response even
when it wasn't necessary, and it lasted even after coming
off the treatment. Interesting, fascinating. He said he's going to

(01:37:19):
post that study in the discords. So I dare you,
but also thank you. Yes, I want to look into that.
So I think I have another exorcism. And I'm not
sure what this one is from or what time period
is from. It's from uh Shahji's Between Worlds, which is
some sort of book I don't know, and it says,

(01:37:40):
recite this adjuration in such a way I enjore you
the demon so and so and by the adorance of
the waders and the holy ones by Yeahweh, God of
the heavens. But these names I enjore you the demon
so and so, son of so and so and so
and so, so you can put your names into this.
It's a formula. Oh okay, you don't just say so
and so. It doesn't work if you do that. You know,
enter this flask immediately, and immediately the flots will turn red,

(01:38:01):
which is like kind of a reference to geninea bottle,
which is also found in Islamic exorcism tradition of you know,
you don't want to wake the genie in the bottle,
and continuing with the exorcism, immediately say to him these
five names of Yahweh. They're not listed, but you're supposed
to say them. That demon will immediately cry a great
and bitter cry from the great pressure. Do not believe
him until he swears by you'd have a hah, which

(01:38:21):
is Yahweh explicitly. Then leave him alone and pay him
no further heed and so. I don't know if y'all
have heard, if any of you have looked into like
demonology and like ghost ology, the idea of a dibic box.
There was a famous dibic box. So we talked about
diocs earlier. It's the concept of demons. So the idea

(01:38:42):
of Jewish exorcism is that you can't just cast them
out into the ether. You have to cast them into something,
into something. Yeah, which maybe way we see Jesus putting
the demons into the pigs. I think that it's more
that demons just really want to go into something. They
don't want to be disembodied. And so there's like a
famous depict box where it was sold it like an
auction or something. It was or an estate sale, but

(01:39:03):
it was it was The idea was this had a
demon in it. And so that's where we got the
idea of the genie of bottle all this stuff. I
think this is also where we get the cultural understanding
of be careful what items you bring from like the
third world countries or get from other people, because there
might be something in dwelling it. There is some sort
of idea of a tether that's worth looking into more. Yeah,

(01:39:25):
But with this exorism this last night, I just read well,
it seems to be like a straightforward thing. Eyewitnesses of
accounts of like these types of things do talk about
like a protracted struggle between the exorcist and the demon.
It's not an easy thing. Yeah, and my feeling, I
have a theory, and I was going to read another exorcism,

(01:39:46):
but I kind of don't want to keep reading them
because it's it's more of the same. My theory is
when you see this long protracted struggle, especially especially in
a case of this is clearly not someone speaking with
the authority of Jesus, so they don't have the authority
to cast out demons. When you see anything like a success,
it's probably just because the demon just got so tired
of them annoying them. They're like, okay, whatever, like I

(01:40:07):
just don't want to be messing with us anymore. Or
it's like a trying to think of the right word
for it, the two demons working together to like make
it look like they're being exercised, but it's all play
on the person of like yeah, we'll play act being exercised. Yeah,
and then when we go out, we'll come back and
bring someone our friends to thelin area. I don't know.

(01:40:28):
I'm not an expert, so you can fact check me.
I'm stuck goingnay attention, Okay. We also have the Alex
Jones song in chat. I don't know if you want
to learn that I get through because you're pretty close
the end of your nice right, so yeah, and then
we can close with the yeah, yeah, I am very close. Okay.
So bringing us up to where we want to end here,
it is jo Cephis. So he talks about Jewish exorcism.

(01:40:51):
He wrote in between like eighty thirty seven to two
one hundred, which is after Jesus, but he's talking about
during the times of Jesus, this type of thing. So
this is a quote from one of his writings, and
this was the manner of the cure. He Eliezer. I
don't think that's the Aliazer we've been talking about. I
think it's just a common Jewish name. He put to
the nose of the possessed man a ring which had
under its seal one of the roots prescribed by Solomon,

(01:41:12):
and then as the man smelled, it drew out the
demon through his nostrils, and when the man at once
fell down, adjured the demon never to come back into him,
speaking Solomon's name and reciting the incantations which he had composed. Then,
wishing to convince the bystanders and proved to them that
he had this power. Eliezer placed a cup or foot
basin of water a little way off and commanded the demon,
as it went out of the man, to overturn it
and make known to the spectators that he had left

(01:41:33):
the man. And when this was done, the understanding and
wisdom of Solomon were clearly revealed, on account of which
we have been induced to speak these things. Now, my
immediate take on this is it reminds me of the
time period in I think it was like the eighteen
hundreds or whatever, where everyone was super obsessed with mediums
and seances and spiritusts, and it was all just like
a bunch of hoaxes, this idea of like you may

(01:41:54):
actually be having in these cases legitimate exor a legitimate possession,
but the person who's claiming to be an exorcist is
doing this big old show and like, oh look good,
knocked over a thing and he's healed, And I wonder
if they haven't done anything whatsoever, right, because the demon
can just like go dorm Like. Yeah, from the Jewish

(01:42:15):
exorcism articles, there's something was said about like and if
there's a massive behavioral change, you know what word it's like, yeah,
but that's what the demon wants he to think. Is
the demon always manifesting? Now it does raise an interesting
question though, I just just to be not the devil's
advocate because he doesn't have enough. He does have enough advocates.
But this mentioned I fumigation is used for exorcism. It

(01:42:36):
keeps coming up. The opposite of it is, you know,
God does talk about stuff being a good pleasing aroma
to him, like burnt offers, incense, prayer. So my thinking
is it's not that the opposite or what is a
good burnt offering to God scares off demons, but that

(01:42:58):
these things are trying to use to cast him out
might actually be pleasing a romas to the demons. Right.

Speaker 2 (01:43:02):
They were talking about like using a scent that would
smell like hell to remind hell. Yeah, like that sounds
like a brair rabbit.

Speaker 1 (01:43:11):
Yeah, don't make something that smells like my home. Don't
sprain you with the perfume my mom used to I
was a child, I was really nostalgic about That'll show me.

Speaker 2 (01:43:20):
But again, it's it's like trying to use the power,
like learn the power of the demons, to use the
power of the demons against them, learn the names to
use it against them, learn their center.

Speaker 1 (01:43:30):
Like just it's like trying to cast away a Taylor
Swift fan by quoting Taylor Swift lyrics, right, I do
this right, It's.

Speaker 2 (01:43:40):
Yeah, it's definitely like the more you look at it,
the more it's.

Speaker 1 (01:43:43):
Like, ooh, none of this mm hmm. It's it's like
what is right what physicians do nowadays where they sell
us the cure and find the problem to sell the
problem for. And that's not quite the best comparison, but
like the idea of this person who's claiming to have
the cure is also causing the problem or is connected

(01:44:04):
to the problem. I don't know, I can't speak. I
apparently am brain dead today. It's more like thinking that
you have like thinking that you have power over demons
when you when you don't, and at best they're just
playing with you. Yeah, well, it's kind of It's it's

(01:44:24):
a mixture of people using the opportunity to hoax other
people and demons tricking people into a false sense of
security like oh, yeah, you have power over me, until
you're far enough in that you realize in the end,
I've been the pup up the whole time, right, which
is I think I wonder if that's part of the
reason why the Pharisees were so deeply, thoroughly against God.

(01:44:45):
But because by this point they have already really entrenched
themselves in stamontic stuff. I'm just riffing here. So that's
all my notes for today. Next week we're going to
talk about New Testament stuff and if we have time,
getting to some of the history of exorcism since Jesus
all the way up through present day, specifically through the

(01:45:06):
lens of the Catholic Church, because that's where I got
the information was from, like a expert Catholic exorcism anyway
I can speak. Yeah, wow, Gran Sas says, lots needs
the brain cell quick sator please because my brain is
like coming to a screeching halt. So if you could
give that to me, stat thank you. Yeah, I think, yeah,
we're definitely running out. Let's watch this Alex Jones thing.

(01:45:30):
And then I got to make sure progska boy, let's
see I share that. Also in good News, I shared
with my church. Sorry this is I'm gonna let you finish,
But first I shared with my church of prayer request

(01:45:51):
a couple of weeks ago when I broke the control
arm on my car, and like the prayer requests go
out in like a church thing. I think I get
the email too, I just don't look at it because
I forget took my email and someone decided that they
wanted to donate money to help fix my car, which
was great time because they had to go back into
the shop for an even more expensive repair like the
next week or the week after, which is fine. It it
do be that like that, And it was a five

(01:46:15):
hundred dollars check, which is going to really help and
my throughout all this car trouble stuff, I've been telling
my coworker who's very much not a Christian, and she's like,
it really feels like God has taken care of you,
And she was even like, thank God. So I'm hoping
that this is like a way that God is using
this to kind of show his provision to her.

Speaker 2 (01:46:35):
Yeah, so if y'all could pray for her, I really
appreciate that. Yeah, please say what this corker men love
you too, Princess. All right, we'll play this. You said
the songs halfway, so let's see.

Speaker 3 (01:46:57):
Or is it just going you know? Around the goblins,
kissing goblins even though you still stab them, you get
him a kiss or is it catching him in bed
with a goblin?

Speaker 1 (01:47:05):
And then the final scale, does Trump.

Speaker 3 (01:47:08):
Gonna have babies with a goblin and actually help the
New World Order and turn against us?

Speaker 2 (01:47:13):
Like I were missing so much context and I actually
don't want context.

Speaker 1 (01:47:19):
Do you know Trump gonna babies with the goblin? Yes,
there is a conspiracy theory that he has actually trans
and had one of his children himself. So okay, he's.

Speaker 3 (01:47:31):
Gonna marry a goblin. She's learned about another level of
the scale, not just in bed with.

Speaker 1 (01:47:36):
The goblin, marry a goblin.

Speaker 3 (01:47:38):
I don't want to see him kissing goblins and ratiating
goblins in with a goblin. I don't want to see
him kissing goblins, give us with goblins and ingratiating goblins
with a goblin, kissing goblinsting one in pad with the

(01:48:01):
common damn, kissing goblins, co shating coblin, shading comin with
the the common dump it, charging into a goblin, some
goblin vomit, swapping blood on it up to the sank.
Trump charging into a goblins, have some goblin voment swap.

(01:48:22):
Colin comment, I don't expecting em to not get swapped.
Sing goblin changed, shating, goblin sting.

Speaker 1 (01:48:30):
Comin, give us one.

Speaker 4 (01:48:32):
The comedy sing goblin shading one, Colin, I just want
to kiss him in bad bad head with the common,
with the common common were the coggonan want to common?

Speaker 1 (01:48:46):
Were the bad bands?

Speaker 3 (01:48:48):
Want to catch him in bed with the combin, the coggan.

Speaker 4 (01:48:51):
The co.

Speaker 1 (01:48:53):
This was why the internet was invented? This right? Wow?
Well that was that was amazing. That's bart.

Speaker 2 (01:49:00):
I'm so glad that that happened. Well, on that note,
it's been fun being live with you guys. It's been
a weird night, weird subject matter. I feel like we
have lots of questions and no answers and not even
like a confidence that looking for answers is.

Speaker 1 (01:49:19):
A good idea, which means moved on our job. I
also love how this was the perfect episode to be
kind of crazy and all over the place because part
one kind of matters for framework. This is like, I
guess fun extra. Part two is gonna matter more so
Part sorry, Part three is gonna matter more so Part two.
It's fine to just be like if you skip it
because we're too crazy. That's because you suck. Yeah, if
you skipped this, if you're listening to this, you're listening

(01:49:41):
if you fake fan says, thank you so much, thank
you for sharing it. Grincess, I didn't know this existing.
If I have this talk in my head all day,
I'm going to be so mad. The Gypsy Princess says,
I think we all needed that. Variable says, I think

(01:50:03):
I'm going to be busy for the next life. Mister
this time of the year, yeah, you are correct. Oh yeah,
happy happy? What this is Reformation Day or almost? Oh?
I don't even know. I don't even know my Protestant holidays.
I got ninety fives proms with the Pope? What, okay?

(01:50:27):
Octover thirty first is Reformation Day? I did the Did
the Catholic Church make Halloween evil? Because they're like Reformation Day?
Suck it? I'm just kidding into that historic than not.
I curate Goblin. If you don't know this is this

(01:50:48):
is doctor whose dance move that Smith arrow? Yes, exactly,
and it is the height of it's the height of sophistication. Yeah,
it really What that move is is like do you
how much do you not care what people think of you.
Do you're willing? You have shame? Do you have self preservation?

(01:51:13):
If not, answer for you anyway. I love you all.
We're dropping, We're dropping viewers like flies. Oh, I can't
imagine what's good nights

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